The Treaty Principles Bill is dead, voted down by all parties except ACT - 11 to 112 - before a packed gallery.
Fiery moments included Labour's Willie Jackson being kicked out for calling ACT leader David Seymour a liar.
The Speaker reminded people multiple times not to clap, sing, or interject during speeches - in which the Bill was labelled 'embarrassing', 'grubby', and a 'stain on our country'.
Newstalk ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper recapped a memorable day in the House.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So the Treaty debate at Parliament, the second reading here
is Willie Jackson getting kicked out.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh there, David Seymore, You're a disgrace in this house.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
And when it comes to the.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Treaty of Waite Tongue, you will and always be a liar,
killed a mister Speaker.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Leave the house, predictable, lead the house, predictable, predictable, liar barry.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And he did it last time.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
He did it last time. I knew exactly what he
was doing. He made his speech and then knew that
he'd be thrown out. And I've got to say I've
been watching the debate all through it, and it got
off to the Treaty Principal's bill got off to a
probably a predictable start.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Mister Speaker.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Members of this House.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Can still change their minds.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Still hold it. Where are the police helping us with us?
Let me make it very clear anyone else in here
thinks that's an accept intervention and the activities of this
Parliament will be treated harshly by the officers of the
law who are here completely unacceptable. We live in a democracy.
(01:10):
This is the place where opinions are given, not from
the gallery.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So the jury was not a happy man at all
when he's his officers of the Lord does he mean police?
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Well where were the cops at the start? It took
a while to get there to throw this guy out,
but look was on from that relative silence, I've got
to say, because Jerry was so hosed off, the people
had been warned. So it was in relative silence that
David Seymour was allowed to have us say.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Fathers argue that maybe Parliament can make laws, but not
this law. What they're really saying is our constitutional future
can be decided by the unelected, but not the elected,
and certainly not the people in a referendum. Those are
the fundamentally undemocratic propositions. Anyone opposing this bill as really
signing up to that they do not trust the New
(02:00):
Zealand people to determine their constitutional future.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
And I'm so.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Proud to stand for the one party in this House
that most certainly does.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yea, there you go. It was the Act Party. Yeah,
we'll let pella on deaf airs. When it came to
Chris Hipkins.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Te hey, moldy, order, mister speaker. Normally, when I rise
in this House to speak on a bill, I say
it's a great privilege to speak on the bill. That
is not the case today. This is a grubby little
bill born of a grubby little deal. It has had
a colossal.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Excuse me, I'll make it clear just once the gallery
do not interfere the activities of Parliament. Another outbloose like
that will clear the galleries. Everyone will be going the right,
honorable Criscipkins.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It has had a colossal impact on the fabric of
our nation and this bill will forever be a stain
on our country.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Oh, for goodness sake. Then it was the young Maldi
party MP who caused it up raw when the Treaty's
Bill you remember, was introduced, Hannah raffitimp Clark by ripping
it up and leading a hakka. She was the Mara Parties,
as I say, the first speaker. She shared her time
(03:14):
speaking interestingly with the Greens Tamatha pool here they are the.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Real problem is that this institution, this House, has only
ever recognized one partner, one culture, one language, from one treaty.
When will the rules of this House acknowledge the laws
of this land tekanga anti tennaty or waiting. This bill
hasn't been stopped this bill has been absolutely annihilated.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
That little man does not represent your views. Shoulder to
you and to eue. The fight is not over. Despite
their crocodile tears, we still have a government that is
willing to use our mona as a cheap bargaining tool.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
See the Greens obviously are still embracing Tamitha Paul. She
was that one that said that little Man does not
represent our view. She was pointing, of course at David Seymour.
So look, it got all quite nasty and we knew
the outcome. It hasn't. I think the twelfth Speech is
being heard as we speak at the moment. I will
(04:14):
guarantee it. You'll see a hukka from the Maldi party
that have been waiting on. But it's it'll be whilst
we're on air at the moment, probably or shortly thereafter
that the bill will be wrapped up and gone.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I'm surprised to what she wasn't pulled up for calling
him a little man, because.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's not only an honorable little man.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Exactly right. Barry Luxon was speaking today, he did, well,
how did a press conference after you this speech on
trade to the artin Chamber of commerce, and he's talking about,
you know, the regional leaders coming together.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Look, that's the way they've got to They've got to
band together, if you like. But he was also talking
about the European Union, and because they've made noises about
the cp TPPA, that's the Comprehensive trans Tasman Partnership Agreement.
New Zealand of course, was one of the originals, the
(05:05):
four originals that began that process. And you're remember it
was extended by the Canadians that put comprehensive progressive. Interestingly,
it was extended by the Canadians after Donald Trump. I
reckon had a hand in it. When Justin Trudeau was
in Vietnam. I was there as well, and Justin Trudeau
(05:27):
was about to sign it with the rest of the
countries backed away, you'll remember, and then all hell broke loosen,
it broke apart, and Donald Trump I reckon was pulling
the strings. Then. Obviously, the European Union is the biggest
target for us to include in that agreement, and that's
the area of the Prime is to see as he'll be.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
Pushing for that'll be ultimate decision for the EU, and
it does require ratification process. As you wear it's quite slow.
What I'm looking for is actually, how can we bind
as many countries as possible at these countries that are
already you know, looking at the CPTPP, how do we
go For example, UK is still requiring ratification from Canada
and from Mexico, so how do we speed that up
and get them fully into the system.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
So it's a it's a long process, but we're really
what we've got to do is turn our backs on America,
the biggest economy in the world. It's hard to do it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
You can't do that. They're our second largest trading partner. Well,
that's right, we just have to just ride the wave.
If we're a small player Berry, you.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Fly on the big absolutely. But the CPTPPA that is
an avenue where you're going to have a big trading
block because totally don't forget the Europeans got fifty seven
countries there.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, but remember we've already got a free trader with
the EU. We've already got one with the UK. So
adding the UK all the EU to the CTP TPPPP
won't actually benefit us, you know, directly, but it might.
I suppose if you make the block bigger, then you
get in direct benefits from it, so I can see
the logic of what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He's been talking to them all day to day, hasn't
been in the house for the.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You had to have something to do, didn't hey, Barry,
thanks for that. You've been right across. I appreciate you
your analysis.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
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So the Treaty debate at Parliament, the second reading here
is Willie Jackson getting kicked out.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh there, David Seymore, You're a disgrace in this house.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
And when it comes to the.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Treaty of Waite Tongue, you will and always be a liar,
killed a mister Speaker.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Leave the house, predictable, lead the house, predictable, predictable, liar barry.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And he did it last time.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
He did it last time. I knew exactly what he
was doing. He made his speech and then knew that
he'd be thrown out. And I've got to say I've
been watching the debate all through it, and it got
off to the Treaty Principal's bill got off to a
probably a predictable start.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Mister Speaker.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Members of this House.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Can still change their minds.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Still hold it. Where are the police helping us with us?
Let me make it very clear anyone else in here
thinks that's an accept intervention and the activities of this
Parliament will be treated harshly by the officers of the
law who are here completely unacceptable. We live in a democracy.
(01:10):
This is the place where opinions are given, not from
the gallery.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So the jury was not a happy man at all
when he's his officers of the Lord does he mean police?
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Well where were the cops at the start? It took
a while to get there to throw this guy out,
but look was on from that relative silence, I've got
to say, because Jerry was so hosed off, the people
had been warned. So it was in relative silence that
David Seymour was allowed to have us say.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Fathers argue that maybe Parliament can make laws, but not
this law. What they're really saying is our constitutional future
can be decided by the unelected, but not the elected,
and certainly not the people in a referendum. Those are
the fundamentally undemocratic propositions. Anyone opposing this bill as really
signing up to that they do not trust the New
(02:00):
Zealand people to determine their constitutional future.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
And I'm so.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Proud to stand for the one party in this House
that most certainly does.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yea, there you go. It was the Act Party. Yeah,
we'll let pella on deaf airs. When it came to
Chris Hipkins.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Te hey, moldy, order, mister speaker. Normally, when I rise
in this House to speak on a bill, I say
it's a great privilege to speak on the bill. That
is not the case today. This is a grubby little
bill born of a grubby little deal. It has had
a colossal.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Excuse me, I'll make it clear just once the gallery
do not interfere the activities of Parliament. Another outbloose like
that will clear the galleries. Everyone will be going the right,
honorable Criscipkins.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It has had a colossal impact on the fabric of
our nation and this bill will forever be a stain
on our country.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Oh, for goodness sake. Then it was the young Maldi
party MP who caused it up raw when the Treaty's
Bill you remember, was introduced, Hannah raffitimp Clark by ripping
it up and leading a hakka. She was the Mara Parties,
as I say, the first speaker. She shared her time
(03:14):
speaking interestingly with the Greens Tamatha pool here they are the.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Real problem is that this institution, this House, has only
ever recognized one partner, one culture, one language, from one treaty.
When will the rules of this House acknowledge the laws
of this land tekanga anti tennaty or waiting. This bill
hasn't been stopped this bill has been absolutely annihilated.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
That little man does not represent your views. Shoulder to
you and to eue. The fight is not over. Despite
their crocodile tears, we still have a government that is
willing to use our mona as a cheap bargaining tool.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
See the Greens obviously are still embracing Tamitha Paul. She
was that one that said that little Man does not
represent our view. She was pointing, of course at David Seymour.
So look, it got all quite nasty and we knew
the outcome. It hasn't. I think the twelfth Speech is
being heard as we speak at the moment. I will
(04:14):
guarantee it. You'll see a hukka from the Maldi party
that have been waiting on. But it's it'll be whilst
we're on air at the moment, probably or shortly thereafter
that the bill will be wrapped up and gone.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I'm surprised to what she wasn't pulled up for calling
him a little man, because.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's not only an honorable little man.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Exactly right. Barry Luxon was speaking today, he did, well,
how did a press conference after you this speech on
trade to the artin Chamber of commerce, and he's talking about,
you know, the regional leaders coming together.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Look, that's the way they've got to They've got to
band together, if you like. But he was also talking
about the European Union, and because they've made noises about
the cp TPPA, that's the Comprehensive trans Tasman Partnership Agreement.
New Zealand of course, was one of the originals, the
(05:05):
four originals that began that process. And you're remember it
was extended by the Canadians that put comprehensive progressive. Interestingly,
it was extended by the Canadians after Donald Trump. I
reckon had a hand in it. When Justin Trudeau was
in Vietnam. I was there as well, and Justin Trudeau
(05:27):
was about to sign it with the rest of the
countries backed away, you'll remember, and then all hell broke loosen,
it broke apart, and Donald Trump I reckon was pulling
the strings. Then. Obviously, the European Union is the biggest
target for us to include in that agreement, and that's
the area of the Prime is to see as he'll be.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
Pushing for that'll be ultimate decision for the EU, and
it does require ratification process. As you wear it's quite slow.
What I'm looking for is actually, how can we bind
as many countries as possible at these countries that are
already you know, looking at the CPTPP, how do we
go For example, UK is still requiring ratification from Canada
and from Mexico, so how do we speed that up
and get them fully into the system.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
So it's a it's a long process, but we're really
what we've got to do is turn our backs on America,
the biggest economy in the world. It's hard to do it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
You can't do that. They're our second largest trading partner. Well,
that's right, we just have to just ride the wave.
If we're a small player Berry, you.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Fly on the big absolutely. But the CPTPPA that is
an avenue where you're going to have a big trading
block because totally don't forget the Europeans got fifty seven
countries there.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, but remember we've already got a free trader with
the EU. We've already got one with the UK. So
adding the UK all the EU to the CTP TPPPP
won't actually benefit us, you know, directly, but it might.
I suppose if you make the block bigger, then you
get in direct benefits from it, so I can see
the logic of what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He's been talking to them all day to day, hasn't
been in the house for the.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You had to have something to do, didn't hey, Barry,
thanks for that. You've been right across. I appreciate you
your analysis.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
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news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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