October 17, 2024 • 6 mins
Labour leader Chris Hipkins says New Zealand should use Dame Jacinda Ardern's star power.
Prince William bestowed Ardern her Damehood at an investiture ceremony at Windsor Castle.
Hipkins says Ardern could help New Zealand's image on the world stage in things like trade and tourism.
He says she's a uniting force.
"Actually, I know a lot of National Party people who didn't vote Labour, wouldn't vote Labour - but they still respect Jacinda. And they would still like to see her more positively reflected by the country."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, Jacinta ar Durtn, as we've discussed, has received her
dame hood from none other than Prince William at a
ceremony at Windsor Castle overnight, and that's prompted Chris Hopkins,
the Labor Party leader, to pipe up. And so we
should do more to utilize the star power of Jesinda
are doing to advocate for us globally, and he is
with us right now, had you.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Been actually I made those comments a couple of weeks ago.
It's just they're being reported now. But so really, but
you know, I think it's a good thing that they
are being reported because I do think that Jasinda Ardian
has some star power pulling, you know, pulling power for
us on the international stage, and we should we should
use it.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
How would we use her?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I don't know. I mean, like I genuinely don't know.
I mean, she can certainly promote New Zealand for tourism,
promote New Zealand for trade, promote New Zealand as a
good as a good kist.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
She could do investors, cocktail parties.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Can she all of those sorts of things? You know?
I mean, I'm not necessarily talking about any formal role
I'm just saying that let's just use her as a
as an asset to the country. She's got a high
international profile. Why wouldn't we. And the funny thing is,
you know, I know that there's a there's a small
group in the country who are very vitriolic towards to Cinda.
But actually I know a lot of National Party people
didn't vote Labor, wouldn't vote Labor, but they still respect you, Cinda,
(01:02):
and they still you know, they still would like to
see her more positively reflected, you know, by the country.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Are you sure it's a small group.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I think it is a pretty small group. They're very,
very loud, though. I it's a bit like the anti
vex group. You know that the proportion of noise.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Vibes right, it's yeah, But.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I mean, overall, the vast majority of New Zealanders went
and got vaccinated. I don't think the anti vex group is.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
We've got vaccinated. I still get triggered by her. Those
things don't correlate. The reason I'm asking you whether it
is a minority if you're so sure about it, because
you have said you've blamed a minority of people for
making things quite nasty. But chippy. We've got a beach
house at the same place that her parents have got
a beach house in the Coromandel, And man, you know
that town is dark on her. You know that's that's
(01:48):
a town her parents basically live in. So I'm not
sure how small it is.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, there are certainly stronger pockets of it around the country.
There's no question the Corimndel is definitely one of those.
But I don't think that's reflective of the the mood
of the whole country. Like I said, I've met plenty
of National Party people who didn't vote Labor, aren't likely
to vote Labor, but they certainly don't subscribe to the
nastiness you know that we've seen directed it to see.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I just assume that the reason that she is now
overseas and basically doesn't come back home is because it's
like widespread nastiness.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
No, I don't think so. I mean, certainly there's a
vocal group who would target her back home in New Zealand,
But actually I think it's because she's she's got some
pretty good offers around the world and she's busy. You know,
she's in high demand.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Can you tell me something this is what I don't
understand about Josinda is the version of Cinda that we're
getting at the moment is not the version of Cinda
that we thought we were voting for. Like we were
voting for the child poverty lady who's basically just naffed
off and lining her own pockets and fair enough, like
I would too if I was her, but she's making
herself for it. She's not looking after the kids here.
She's a Republican who then gets takes the honor got
(02:50):
windsor Castle, Like how crazy is that? So I feel like,
of all the prime ministers, the one who cared the
most about the poor kids is the one who's making
the most money out there at the moment. It feels weird.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean as a Republican, of course, I have mixed
views about that myself, you know, Like I mean, I'm
a Republican, and I met with Prince William last year,
and we met with King Charles last year and so on,
and I quite liked them, But I'm still a Republican.
And actually, people accepting an honor on behalf of New Zealand,
it doesn't necessarily mean that suddenly.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Republicans anyw Zealand by But come.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
On, an offered by New Zealand. I should have said,
you know, because it is a New Zealand government, you don't.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Have to take it. You certainly don't have to take
it from the future King at windsor well.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know, look, ultimately, as I said, look, I'm still
a Republican and I have some more mixed views.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Have you as soon been? Like I just didn't know.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
That's not a conversation that we've ever had. But look,
she was, she was, she did that, that's her called that,
that's her business.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Hey, are the Greens going to kick Darlene out tonight?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
They're certainly entitled to you, and if they do, I think
it'll be a good thing and be a good thing
for the Parliament, good thing for democracy.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Are you just saying that because it means that the
Green are the first one to pull the scab off
the walker jumping legislation, which even you didn't use.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
No we didn't, but actually well we didn't use it
because it was getting a bit close to the election
and all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You've got and the Greens don't.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well I don't think that's true. But actually I don't
I have always supported that legislation because I think that
when you vote for people and they come in on
the party list, they have no mandate to be there
on anything other than the you know, as members of the.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Party that they got votes. But there is a Green
not as Darling exactly right, okay, But so do you
think they've got the seventy five? I hope so. I mean,
obviously you guys are not keen on her, are you.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I'm not. I just think it's such a distortion of parliament.
You know, like you get elected as a Green MP
and then within literally within weeks, you're not in the
party anymore, and you're trying to say it stay as
an independent. I don't think that's what people voted for
when they voted for MMP.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Okay, fair enough. And do you think the government should
get involved in Wellington City Council?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Not yet. I mean I think they should certainly be
meeting with them, they should have conversations with them, But
I don't think they've yet met their threshold, you know,
to get rid of the.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Council, the threshold for a crown observ it's not getting
rid of the councils, just sending a grown up in.
Isn't the threshold simply that the minister has to kind
of lose confidence.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
No, they basically have to be They have to have
grounds to believe that the Council is not fulfilling its
statutory obligations. So if the Council can't produce a long
term plan, they're not producing they're not fulfilling their statutory obligations.
Time to time for the government to do something, but
at this point they haven't got to that point yet. Yeah.
The ultimate sanction is that next year there's a local
government election rolling around and all Wellingtonians get to have
(05:33):
their view on at that express what you heard?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Have you heard Tories going to get a seat with
the Greens?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I have not heard that. No, look he wants it.
I suspect there'll be a very vigorous contest in Wellington
at the next election though.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay to be thank you for coming
and it's really good to see you. It's lovely to
be here. Thanks man. That's Chris Hopkins, our Labor Party leader.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talks it'd be from four pm we or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio,
Now, Jacinta ar Durtn, as we've discussed, has received her
dame hood from none other than Prince William at a
ceremony at Windsor Castle overnight, and that's prompted Chris Hopkins,
the Labor Party leader, to pipe up. And so we
should do more to utilize the star power of Jesinda
are doing to advocate for us globally, and he is
with us right now, had you.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Been actually I made those comments a couple of weeks ago.
It's just they're being reported now. But so really, but
you know, I think it's a good thing that they
are being reported because I do think that Jasinda Ardian
has some star power pulling, you know, pulling power for
us on the international stage, and we should we should
use it.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
How would we use her?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I don't know. I mean, like I genuinely don't know.
I mean, she can certainly promote New Zealand for tourism,
promote New Zealand for trade, promote New Zealand as a
good as a good kist.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
She could do investors, cocktail parties.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Can she all of those sorts of things? You know?
I mean, I'm not necessarily talking about any formal role
I'm just saying that let's just use her as a
as an asset to the country. She's got a high
international profile. Why wouldn't we. And the funny thing is,
you know, I know that there's a there's a small
group in the country who are very vitriolic towards to Cinda.
But actually I know a lot of National Party people
didn't vote Labor, wouldn't vote Labor, but they still respect you, Cinda,
(01:02):
and they still you know, they still would like to
see her more positively reflected, you know, by the country.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Are you sure it's a small group.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I think it is a pretty small group. They're very,
very loud, though. I it's a bit like the anti
vex group. You know that the proportion of noise.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Vibes right, it's yeah, But.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I mean, overall, the vast majority of New Zealanders went
and got vaccinated. I don't think the anti vex group is.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
We've got vaccinated. I still get triggered by her. Those
things don't correlate. The reason I'm asking you whether it
is a minority if you're so sure about it, because
you have said you've blamed a minority of people for
making things quite nasty. But chippy. We've got a beach
house at the same place that her parents have got
a beach house in the Coromandel, And man, you know
that town is dark on her. You know that's that's
(01:48):
a town her parents basically live in. So I'm not
sure how small it is.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, there are certainly stronger pockets of it around the country.
There's no question the Corimndel is definitely one of those.
But I don't think that's reflective of the the mood
of the whole country. Like I said, I've met plenty
of National Party people who didn't vote Labor, aren't likely
to vote Labor, but they certainly don't subscribe to the
nastiness you know that we've seen directed it to see.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I just assume that the reason that she is now
overseas and basically doesn't come back home is because it's
like widespread nastiness.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
No, I don't think so. I mean, certainly there's a
vocal group who would target her back home in New Zealand,
But actually I think it's because she's she's got some
pretty good offers around the world and she's busy. You know,
she's in high demand.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Can you tell me something this is what I don't
understand about Josinda is the version of Cinda that we're
getting at the moment is not the version of Cinda
that we thought we were voting for. Like we were
voting for the child poverty lady who's basically just naffed
off and lining her own pockets and fair enough, like
I would too if I was her, but she's making
herself for it. She's not looking after the kids here.
She's a Republican who then gets takes the honor got
(02:50):
windsor Castle, Like how crazy is that? So I feel like,
of all the prime ministers, the one who cared the
most about the poor kids is the one who's making
the most money out there at the moment. It feels weird.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean as a Republican, of course, I have mixed
views about that myself, you know, Like I mean, I'm
a Republican, and I met with Prince William last year,
and we met with King Charles last year and so on,
and I quite liked them, But I'm still a Republican.
And actually, people accepting an honor on behalf of New Zealand,
it doesn't necessarily mean that suddenly.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Republicans anyw Zealand by But come.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
On, an offered by New Zealand. I should have said,
you know, because it is a New Zealand government, you don't.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Have to take it. You certainly don't have to take
it from the future King at windsor well.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know, look, ultimately, as I said, look, I'm still
a Republican and I have some more mixed views.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Have you as soon been? Like I just didn't know.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
That's not a conversation that we've ever had. But look,
she was, she was, she did that, that's her called that,
that's her business.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Hey, are the Greens going to kick Darlene out tonight?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
They're certainly entitled to you, and if they do, I think
it'll be a good thing and be a good thing
for the Parliament, good thing for democracy.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Are you just saying that because it means that the
Green are the first one to pull the scab off
the walker jumping legislation, which even you didn't use.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
No we didn't, but actually well we didn't use it
because it was getting a bit close to the election
and all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You've got and the Greens don't.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well I don't think that's true. But actually I don't
I have always supported that legislation because I think that
when you vote for people and they come in on
the party list, they have no mandate to be there
on anything other than the you know, as members of the.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Party that they got votes. But there is a Green
not as Darling exactly right, okay, But so do you
think they've got the seventy five? I hope so. I mean,
obviously you guys are not keen on her, are you.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I'm not. I just think it's such a distortion of parliament.
You know, like you get elected as a Green MP
and then within literally within weeks, you're not in the
party anymore, and you're trying to say it stay as
an independent. I don't think that's what people voted for
when they voted for MMP.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Okay, fair enough. And do you think the government should
get involved in Wellington City Council?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Not yet. I mean I think they should certainly be
meeting with them, they should have conversations with them, But
I don't think they've yet met their threshold, you know,
to get rid of the.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Council, the threshold for a crown observ it's not getting
rid of the councils, just sending a grown up in.
Isn't the threshold simply that the minister has to kind
of lose confidence.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
No, they basically have to be They have to have
grounds to believe that the Council is not fulfilling its
statutory obligations. So if the Council can't produce a long
term plan, they're not producing they're not fulfilling their statutory obligations.
Time to time for the government to do something, but
at this point they haven't got to that point yet. Yeah.
The ultimate sanction is that next year there's a local
government election rolling around and all Wellingtonians get to have
(05:33):
their view on at that express what you heard?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Have you heard Tories going to get a seat with
the Greens?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I have not heard that. No, look he wants it.
I suspect there'll be a very vigorous contest in Wellington
at the next election though.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay to be thank you for coming
and it's really good to see you. It's lovely to
be here. Thanks man. That's Chris Hopkins, our Labor Party leader.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talks it'd be from four pm we or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio,
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