Full Show Podcast: 03 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Jack tame On, Hither duple c Allen drive with
one New Zealand, Let's get connected News Talks.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
dB Jeralder, Good afternoon and welcome to news Talk's EDB.
Jack Taman for Heather who's still a little bit under
the weather. The All Black and Crusaders star Sevy Reese
has been back in court, not his first time, that
his first time appearing before a judge, not his first
time being discharged without a conviction. Will tell you about

(00:34):
his case and what it might mean for his rugby
prospects going forward. After five this evening as well as
that better news potentially for Kiwi, Liam Lawson and f
one big reports from ESPN suggesting that Sergio Periz is
going to be cut from Red Bull, which would potentially
open a seat in the faster car. Who would take
that seat? Could it be our man from New Zealand

(00:56):
who gets the hot seat? We'll tell you very shortly.
Right now it is eight minutes past for Jack. Team
had a huge political victory for Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown,
massive victory for him having campaigned on taking greater control
over Auckland's CEOs, the council control organizations. The mayor is
set to get his wish when it comes to Auckland transport.

(01:18):
Transport Minister Simeon Brown confirming this afternoon that Auckland's transport
policy and planning is going to shift from AT back
over to Auckland Council. Now remember, under the model that
we currently have, Auckland Council has two elected councilors on
the Board of AT. But Wayne Brown has argued that
that model assigned far too much of the major decision

(01:41):
making around transport policy in Auckland to unelected officials. He
was always lamenting that people come up to him in
the street and moaned to him about problems that were
actually AT's responsibility, not realizing that the council itself had
limited control overall contransport. Now, like all power, of course,

(02:01):
you have to be careful what you wish for. If
Auckland Council and local boards are to have more authority
over transport planning in our bigger city, they will also
have more of the blame if residents don't feel they're
making the right cause. But under the changes Auckland Council
is going to retain a transport CEO. It's just those
big planning policies that shift over to the council and

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you've got to say, you know, Wayne Brown's critics would
have to accept he has surprised a lot of people
as mayor. He's built relationships on both sides of the
political spectrum. He has advocated effectively for Auckland's rate pays.
He promised to get greater control over the council controlled
organizations and all contransport was top of the list. And

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whether you like the Council's subsequent transport policies, whether you
like the plans that Auckland Council comes up with regarding
transport and our biggest city. On that promise to rest
back controls of the ceosan Brown has delivered. Jack T
ninety two is the text number if you want to
get in touch Jack at Newstalks headb dot co dot

(03:07):
nz is the email addressed. Don't forget if you are
sending us a text. Standard text costs supply. New Zealand's
long awaited new defense plan has been delayed once again,
and the Defense Minister has blamed a worsening security situation
in the Pacific. The Defense Capability Plan is supposed to
lay out our defense spending for the coming decades. But

(03:28):
a Chinese intercontinental ballistic missile with a mock warhead landed
near French Polynesia in September and their last month of
Chinese Chinese Navy destroyer visited Vanuatu. Defense Minister deu with
Collins is with US is Asternoon. Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Jack.
Just how concerning are those recent events?

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Well, he's quite it's quite concerning because they are different
from what we've seen before. And the recent Chinese Navy
ren high class cruiser and destroyer of his sitting port Vila,
Banuatu in October this year. That's the first time we've
seen the ships of that capability in that position when

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they weren't just coming back from somewhere else and stopping off.
So it's certainly much more militarization now within the Pacific.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
So how has it changed your plans when it comes
to the defense capability plan.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Well, I think the fact is that we have to
be aware that, you know, a small nation like us,
we can't do everything that we would like to do.
But it is important to understand that even this year
things have changed so we've also had that intercontinental ballistic
missile at the end of September from China, which went
around eleven thousand, two hundred kilometers. It's the sort of

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thing that could reach New Zealand. So everything starting to
move up, and certainly the Navy needs a lot of
rebuild and we have to look at things like replacing
the frigates, and we're also looking at newer warfare situations
where things like drones and other technical new technologies or

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new relatively new. So I think, really, what's done is
we say everything's moved up this year.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
So up until this point, did the plan not give
sufficient weight to potential risks from China?

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well, I think, what defense we're working on, and I
asked them to do so when I became the minister
to rethink things. I don't things hadn't moved as much,
I think, and perhaps Defense was thinking, well, hopefully things
won't get much worse, but actually the world has got
a lot worse. So if I just consider the China's

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operating twenty three destroyers launched in the last ten years
compared to eleven operational US destroyers, you're talking about quite
a big shift in resources and yes, things have changed,
so you know. Also, you know, the North Korean's going
off to help the Russians in Ukraine. All of these

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things are happening the South China see situation. So yes,
it's a bigger game. The last time there was a
defense capability plan was about four years ago under the
previous government, and the problem there is that it wasn't
funded at all. So I think, you know, we're trying
to be very realistic about what we can do, what
we can fund, and also what we might need to

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how we might need to reassess it if things get worse.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
So you said today quote people need to understand that
if a missile can go to kiddybas it can get
to New Zealand. What do you mean by much.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Well, it's we're not We can't sit down this end
of the world and say that we're just safe hiding
down here and no one's going to notice. I think
we need to be also aware. For instance, in Antarctica
where we have you know, Scott Base, where the Americans
haven't murdered, but China has built five new bases there

(07:04):
recently and they're looking for their six. These are all
things that people should be aware of it's important for
space work, it's important for tallic communications, it's important for.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
Spying.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Actually, all these things are very important. So we just
need to be aware that the game has changed.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Labour's ruled out joining Orcust Pillar two and says that
it would pull out if your government decided to join
before the next election. What do you make of that?

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yeah, it's pretty disappointing. I mean, Labor and Chris Hopkins
were very keen to explore Pillar two of Aucus when
they were in government, and suddenly now they're not. I
think also is that they've said that they've said that
the Chinese ambassador to New Zealand has been has basically
berated New Zealand over looking at Aucust Pillar two. Well,

(07:59):
you know, New Zealand's forign policy should be actually determined
in Wellington, not by for New Zealand, by New Zealanders,
not by other countries or their ambassadors. So I think
that's pretty disappointing. It's the first sort of overt politicization
of foreign policy that we've seen in quite a while,
and I like to hope that it's a bit like

(08:20):
the tpp A, which they were completely against and in
opposition as soon as they got in the government put
CTP on it NEXTRA one and suddenly it was all
their ideas. So who knows, but I think it is
pretty disappointing our meeting this week with the Australian Labor
Minister for Defense and Deputy Prime Minister Peters is meeting

(08:44):
with Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister for Australia. Their Labor,
they're hardcore concerned about security of their country. I'd say
Chris Hopkins should be too.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Do you think that that Beijing is pulling the strings
when it comes to Labour's foreign policies?

Speaker 4 (09:00):
You were suggesting, No, I don't know who's pulling their strings,
and frankly, you know, I don't know who is. But
I think the point is for Labor is that they're
rushing to try and show up the Green vote or
their Murray Party vote. I don't know what they're doing,
but I do think they're acting in a very political way.
When foreign policy has always been something that we have

(09:20):
tried very very hard to have a bipartisan arrangement on.
They've just gone out and done this without any discussion
with us. So basically they're saying that they're on their own.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
All right, thanks for your time. We appreciate it. That
is Defense Minister Judith Colin. Thank you for your feedback
as well.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
If we're going to get new frigates there, for Christ's sake,
don't put autopilots in them. I think I think it's
the autopilot, isn't the problem? Knowing when the autopilot is
on and off is the problem. Knowing how to turn
the autopilot off in a moment of crisis. I think
that's the problem. But yeah, thank you for that. Ninety

(09:57):
two to ninety two. If you want to send us
the message this afternoon at past four on Newsbalks, he'd
be who will take the White House results and analysis
of the US election?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
On Heather Duples c Alum Drive with One New Zealand
Let's get connected.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
That news talk said be.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Sport with the new tab app downloaded today, Rita bet responsibly.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Sports talk host Darcy Waldgrave is in the house. Good
aff noon, Jackie. So is Red Bull Gonna sack Sergio
peis what.

Speaker 7 (10:26):
Looks like it? We say the reports, and normally you
don't give much credibility to reports because the reports. Everyone
wants to talk about formula one. It is such a
big sport. But this has been building and building and
building for a long time, predominantly because Checko Cugio Peiis
has had an awful year. He was going at the
start of the year sign himself another year on contract
and then the wheels fell off, not literally, but really,

(10:49):
and so he really hasn't got a Future's cost them
so much money by not finishing up the order because
Red Ball now aren't going to finish in the top
they might finish top three. The amount of money you
get that generates we're talking eight figures that they're missing
out on.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Such so because you've got for Stappin, his teammate who's
won the Driver's Championship, right, and so you would expect
since he is driving exactly the same car as Maxis Stappened,
more or less exactly, you know what I mean, Yeah,
you would expect that he would have something akin to
the Stappens performance. Maybe not quite as good as Maxis Stappened,
but he would be up there or thereabouts. However, even
though this happens won the Driver's Championship, Red Bull are

(11:29):
not going to win the Manufacturers champion and that's the
one they.

Speaker 7 (11:32):
All want that's the one because that's the one where
the money and that's the whole edict. Do you win
on Sunday, you sell on Monday. Ye, not that red
balls sell street cars, but that's the whole drive behind it.
And when you haven't got a guy pulling his weight,
it's well, you know, you've got to go. I know
he sells a lot of energy drink in Mexico, but

(11:52):
that can only last so long and reportedly it's going
to be a massive payout to get him out of
his contract. But they just cannot deal with this any longer.
So we'll find out post w W, which is the
last race of the season this weekend.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Speaking of the Middle East, Joseph Parker's heading Casaudi to
fight for the id hevyweight title.

Speaker 7 (12:10):
That's where all the money is, that's where they go.
Just going back. So Liam Wiwson Yuki Sonoda are the
two guys we think fighting it out for that Red
Bull seat. Next year we will.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
See Yuki's actually had since Liam was racing this season,
Yuki's beating him three too.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
Right.

Speaker 7 (12:24):
The problem with yukis Sonoda is that he's going to go,
by the looks of it, with Honda across to Aston
Martin in he is time and Red Bull don't like
Aston Martin because they flogged Adrian Niwi, So I don't
think they're going to do him any favors at all.
I think it's leaning towards Limb but it strangely. Yeah,
he's got a title fight ibfavyweight title. Finally after that

(12:44):
WBO way back in the day, climbed his way back
up the rankings, different Blox than he was back then.
He's taken on a guy called Daniel dublais monstrous human being,
like ripped to Berts. He fought Joe Joyce and his
ice socket was broken. He took so many jabs to
the I it just all swelled. He couldn't fight back again.
But that guy clear in present danger, but so is

(13:05):
Joe Parker. So that's coming up mid February over in
the Yard and that will be a great fight. Can
Joe Parker. A lot of people wrote the bloke off
and I'll tell you what. The last few exchanges he
has been phenomenal. Can he get back to the top
of the world again? So this is super exciting if
you're into people punching each other in the face and
calling it sport, which, of course I am. I can't

(13:26):
help myself.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Thank you, sir. Looking forward to this evening. Darcy will
to go will be with us with Sports Talk from
seven o'clock tonight. Dan's joined us to talk cricket time.

Speaker 7 (13:35):
Selection.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah as well, that'd be great, Looking forward to it
seven o'clock tonight. Darcy will be back with us with
Sports Talk. Thank you for your feedback.

Speaker 6 (13:41):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
We're so consumed with China's military activity, why are we
so cadly with them when it comes to trade? Yeah,
I mean that's the kind of fundamental question at the
very heart of New Zealand's security, trade and foreign policy
at the moment. Right. I think it's interesting too, You
know that the China would get I think a little
bit upset with New Zealand moaning about the intercontinental ballistic missile.

(14:04):
They did give us some warning they were firing, not
a whole lot of warning that didn't give warning to
some other Pacific nations. But also remember that New Zealand
chose to sail through the Taiwan straight back in September.
I think we described it as a routine activity at
the time, but it was the first time we had
done that in a long time, and the Chinese were
not happy. If you want to send us a note,

(14:25):
ninety two ninety two is the text number. Right now,
it's twenty four minutes past four.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Jack tam cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Jack Tam on Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
And he has flicked me a note, says Jack. Thank goodness,
we have sensible Judith Collins running our defense portfolio at
the moment. Of course, Judi Collins has the spy agency
ministerial responsibilities as well. I mean, she's undoubtedly a really
really strong ministerial performer. I think Judith Collins. What's interesting
though about this AUCST debate, and this comes from Labour's
conference at the weekend two, is we still don't know

(15:02):
what we'd be getting out of joining Aucust pillar two.
And I think for UCUST supporters that's a major problem.
They need to find a way to articulate a bit
more detail than simply saying, oh, advanced military technology or
advanced technology. I think kiwis in supporting Aucust pillar two
or supporting New Zealand and joining aucst Pillar two need
to have a better stare on that. I will get

(15:23):
to more of your feedback after four thirty plenty more
messages on that. Plus, you know how Bluey is just
one of those ridiculous kind of shows that has an
insane number of people following it worldwide. I mean it
has like a stage show that's been touring the world
that made gazillions of dollars in merch and all of that. Well,
a blue Christmas episode has been leaked and Bluey fans

(15:46):
in the US are freaking out. For us, it's no biggie,
but I'll explain why the Americans are losing their minds
over Bluey before five News US.

Speaker 8 (15:55):
Next on News Dog z'd be it is beautiful, thes
it oh hard.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Questions, strong opinion, Jack tame On, Heather Duflicy Eland.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talk as.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
It Benny myself.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Every week. You can't tell they said zero.

Speaker 8 (16:25):
Health News that you were Jack Tame So Health New
Zealand's books are in like marginally better, a marginally better
state than was previously fair, but they're still still not
looking good at all.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
So the Chief executive Margie up For today announced that
the projected deficit for twenty four to twenty five financial
year has reduced, So it's come down from one point
seven billion to one point one billion. Given it's still
a deficit starts with a B billion, I think it's
still a reason for concerning anywhere. The Health Minister is
going to be with us after five o'clock this evening.
I'll get you more of your feedback before then to

(17:00):
Right now it is twenty four minutes to five.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
It's the world wires on news talks anti drive.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
And the President of Georgia has spoken out against the
country's government and called for Western countries to support the
anti government protests there. There have been five consecutive days
of protests in the Georgian capital after the government put
EU accession talks on hold. The Georgian president, who is
pro EU, says the Georgian Prime minister is illegitimate.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
He is not the prime minister of the Georgian population
because the elections were read. The elections have not been
recognized by any of the democratic countries.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Syrian and Russian jets have stepped up air strikes in
order to try and slow the advance of rebel forces.
Syrian opposition forces have pushed through Aleppo to the outskirts
of the city of Hama, but their advance has slowed.
Assyrian opposition leader says they launched the attack because the
government isn't taking peace talks seriously.

Speaker 9 (17:57):
The regimes continued disruption of the United Nations sponsored political
process in Geneva has caused a major disruption in the
chances of a stable life in Syria. Therefore, there was
no alternative but to use the basic negotiating tool, which
is through the force and the use of military operations.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
And finally, Bah, if you know it, you know it,
and if you know it, you love it. An American
fan of Bluey has only this week learned why the
Healer family are all wearing paper crowns in the season
two episode Christmas Swim. So while the crowns being worn

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at Christmas time are clearly recognizable to us and to
Ozzie viewers as the silly hats that we all reluctantly
wear over Christmas, it turns out that Christmas crackers aren't
really a thing in America. And did you know that
Ozzie's sometimes refer to Christmas crackers as bomb bonds. We're
going to get Murray Olds to explain.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
That international correspondence ends and eye insurance peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
The man the legiond is with us. Now, you don't
call them bon bonds, do you, marry mate?

Speaker 10 (19:09):
I think that I have. I have heard them called
bon bonds, Jack. But a bond bond can also be
a small piece of confectionery cardecy.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (19:17):
I think that's probably more where my linguistic kind of
leanings would would would head in terms of a sweetie.
I think a bond bond. I mean, a cracker is
a cracker.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
But a bonbond sweet is also wrapped in the kind
of style of a Christmas cracker, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
That's true?

Speaker 6 (19:32):
That is true.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
So I wonder if it's got something to do with
the kind of you know, the style with the.

Speaker 10 (19:36):
Two ends outstanding.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Well, these are the issues that matter, clearly, Hey, this
is this is something else our great nations have in common.
Your Reserve bank, your central bank is coppon criticism for
getting it wrong again.

Speaker 10 (19:51):
Well, that's what a lot of economists are saying. The
Australian cash right four point three five percent's been that
way for if I said eighteen, answer must.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Be nudging up towards two years.

Speaker 10 (20:02):
So four point three five percent, and people are squealing
and screaming and debate about the extent to which Australia's
Reserve Bank is hanging on to that to those settings
is now ramping up because there are nine newspapers. Has
the story A number of economists don't. They call it
the dismal science economists. Some of them believe the bank

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is getting it wrong by fixating on an unemployment rate
of four and a half percent. That's where the bank
has already said it wants unemployment to be to take
some of the heat out of the economy. Well, these
economists say, hang on a second, that's you know, you
don't have to go that deep. It could be four
and a quarter percent. I mean, right now, what's the
employment rate? Let me just have a quick look at

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you there you go. Look, they want the inflation rate
the Reserve Bank to be between two and three percent.
The unemployment rate currently four point one percent. If you
go to four point five percent, here's the note I
was looking for means an extra seventy five thousand people
out of work. Do you really want that? I mean,
I'm not sure you want that. But here's the thing.

(21:07):
The Reserve Bank does not want to take the foot
off the break and let inflation get away again having
gone through all this pain. That would be simply untenable.
They could not do that, couldn't afflicted them the population.
And I suggest Michelle Bullock might herself out of a
job if that happens. So look, it's a balancing act.
And you've got a columnists saying one thing, you know,

(21:27):
I mean, there's a lot of debate about this. The
Reserve Bank has got it, you know. Michelle Bullock is
a very very strong Central Bank governor. She will take
no rubbish from the government and she'll do it her way.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
So we are currently at four point two five percent
as of Wednesday of last week. So I'm just comparing
it no, no, no, for our cash right. Yeah, So
a one year fixed period in Australia right now on
four point three five with an LVR of sixty percent
or less is about six point two two nine according
to NAB six point two nine for a year. Yeah.

(22:04):
I think I think you get. I mean, you can
definitely get cheaper one year rates than that in New
Zealand at the moment. But I might be putting you
on the spot, he murray, Is there a we have
this think called the dual We had this thing called
the dual mandate for the reserve banks. The Reserve Bank
had to keep in mind interest rates. I had had
to keep a mind inflation as well as unemployment. But
is that is that an explicit requirement of Australia's Central Bank?

Speaker 6 (22:25):
Now?

Speaker 5 (22:26):
Mind?

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, I've not.

Speaker 10 (22:28):
Heard that phrase applied to the beautiful building in Martin
Place in Sydney. But look, they are watching both of
those of those metrics, There's.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
No doubt about it.

Speaker 10 (22:38):
They're watching unemployment and they they are very well aware
of inflation. Yeah, and the two are inextricably linked. So
to the extent that you've got a name for yours,
I'm not sure we've got a name for ours. Yeah,
that's your bottom gone there both looking thing.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
We had we had, we had a dual mandate. This
was the first thing, the very first thing this new
government did was scraped the dual mandates. And they're no
longer focusing on maximum employment. They're focusing on focusing on
inflation and inflation only tell us about the teens have
been breaking into train cars.

Speaker 10 (23:07):
Well, this is a thing that's apparently been going on
for some time, but it's I think it's got some
recent publicity because one young fella just about god himself killed.
He broke if he broke his league in five places
ribs smashed his head up. Because what's happening. These kids
are getting onto moving trains, putting themselves in the end

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carriage and then breaking into the guards, a compartment at
the end of the moving train. Right because trains can
go either way northward go south, So they've broken into
the unoccupied into the train and then for reasons best
now to themselves, these silly little buggers that start dangling
from the outsides of the trains. Now they can also

(23:50):
be caught riding on the couplings that link the carriages.
And here's the stat last five years, twenty people killed
and thirty six injured inside secure will allegedly secure rail corridors.
It's called buffer riding. And never guess why they're doing it,
but in social media they want to get Facebook likes
or whatever the TikTok, whatever the hell it is. So

(24:12):
some bloken lapland can go oh, look at that crazy Ozzies.
He splats himself against a pole.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, yeah, that's horrible. Yeah, that's crazy. And woolworth shelves
are empty thanks to a strike.

Speaker 10 (24:24):
Not entirely empty, and it's apparently worse than some spots
rather than others. But here's the thing. There are distribution
workers at big Woolworth's centers three in Victoria, one in
New South Wales. The main ones are down south and
here's the thing. The workers are picketing. They're on striking.
They're picketing to stop management and other other workers getting

(24:45):
in because they are demanding feeling significant wage rises and
much better conditions. Wilworth says it's too much, can't pay it.
So while this is going on, you got you know,
if you're coming over hole, they bring your own toilet
paper because we're ringing short and wulworth stores, drinks, frozen
foods also are being impacted. The United Workers Union says, well,
tough titties heading into Christmas pay up, but we're going

(25:08):
to keep going. And you know, there's no end in
sight of the stage. But look, I think if push
comes to show, you're going to have you leave all
the stuff on the stores shells by Christmas.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, no, I'm pleased to hear that that would be
a real crisis. Thanks Murray, appreciated as ever. Australia correspondent
Murray Oldsby, thank you for your feedback as well.

Speaker 8 (25:25):
Chick.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Interesting interesting conversation with Judith Collins this afternoon. As it happens,
my partner's Chinese. My boys are half Chinese company. My
company makes the bulk of its revenue through trading with China.
That being said, it's time that New Zealand makes a
stand and hopefully others will follow suit. As far as
I'm concerned, firing a missile into an area outside of

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their country says that all the world needs to take
a stand. It doesn't augur well that New Zealand operates
on a walking on eggshells basis. It's time to call
a spade a spade. I mean again, China would say
that that there are countries like it. The US would
have fired missiles outside of its immediate territorial area in
the past, but yeah, I mean clearly, the tensions in

(26:08):
the Pacific have increased of late, so it is a
really really tricky thing to try and balance, especially with
a new US President, who I don't think anyone can
say with certainty exactly where he's going to go now.
I said that Shane e he's going to be with
us after five o'clock this evening. The Health Minister Day
two today is of course day two of Scrutiny Week,
you know this week whereby ministers are directly scrutinized by

(26:30):
their opposite numbers in Parliament, and Health was the focus today.
It's interesting Labor health spokes versus Nashavereal accused Shane Letty
of manufacturing a crisis in order to justify cuts to
the health system. Have it listen to this?

Speaker 11 (26:44):
Well, we have the audited accounts and they show that
most of the current exit, which is far less than
you originally estimated, is to do with staffing costs. That
is a given that you stood on a podium earlier
in this year fired Aboard appointed commissioner started a reign
of health cuts, saying there would be a one point
six to one point eight billion dollar deficit. That is

(27:07):
not true. Did you manufacture a crisis to justify your cuts?

Speaker 12 (27:10):
No, you manufactured the crisis and what we've needed to
do is actually needed to fix it.

Speaker 5 (27:14):
One point four billion was the deficit as we.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
Extrapolated it from March.

Speaker 13 (27:18):
It's now turned out to be one point seven six
as we've got amongst it.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
This is not manufactured. This is real and the Order
to General can see that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Interesting exchange here between Shane Betty and Aisha Verel as
part of scrutiny week and Shane Betty's going to be
with us after five o'clock this evening, Health New Zealand
CEO saying they're now forecasting a one point one billion
dollar deficit for the year thirteen to five.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
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Speaker 3 (27:43):
We're going to catch up with Barry Soper a little
bit later on on Newstalks. He'db he is still yes,
check your watch. He is still at lunch with Boris Johnson.
In the meantime, New Stalks heedb's hard working political editor
Jason Water as with us from Parliament. Hey, Jason, I'm
not at all lunch. No, No, neither of us. There's
two of us, mate. Hey, we've just received an update

(28:04):
on the ongoing probe. And to Tipati Mardi in the
Manu Dee were Marai election issues what's happened indeed.

Speaker 14 (28:09):
So it's an interesting story, this one, and I know
a lot of listeners of OZ have been hanging out
to get any developments on this one. So I'll take
you through it. I'll catch you up in case you've
forgotten about where we've got to in terms of this story.
So you'll remember, about six months ago, allegation surface that
census and COVID nineteen data was being used at the
Manurewa Marai in Auckland in relation to the election campaign

(28:31):
will It was alleged that the data was used in
a way to attract more voters to Tiparty Mahdi. Remember
the Auckland Marti seat of Tamaki Makodo was won by
Ti Parti Mari's Takuta tash Camp by just forty two votes,
so the slimmest of margins. And yesterday, Sir Brian Wroach,
the Public Service Commissioner, said the report into this will
be unveiled shortly. Didn't give a time frame, just said shortly,

(28:54):
citing the complexity of it all. Then Nikola Willis said
she the Public Service Minister said, of the.

Speaker 15 (29:00):
These issues go to public trust and confidence, they need
to have utmost confidence in their findings and conclusions, and
they need to live through the scrutiny of a significant
amount of public challenge.

Speaker 14 (29:11):
So living through the scrutiny of a significant significant amount
of public challenge, it's not something that you would see
if there was a complete absolval of the parties in question.
Now we have an update from the Electoral Commission itself,
who were before a Select committee this afternoon. National's Cameron
Brewer asked of the elections boss call Lacain why the
Commission decided to have a voting booth at the Marae.

(29:35):
Here's what he said.

Speaker 13 (29:35):
When we became aware of the candidate's relationship with them,
we quite hard about it. We acknowledged there was a risk.
We came up with a mitigation plan and I think
I have to say we got that wrong. I don't
think the perception of a conflict in there could have
been managed in the way that we set out to
do it.

Speaker 14 (29:55):
So there you heard it. Planer's day. They got it wrong.
This is not painting a good picture for this investigation.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, that's really interesting. You honestly don't usually hear public
servants speaking. Matt Frankly is somewhat refreshing. Isa Viral is
in the spotlight for wearing her own microphone during New Week.

Speaker 14 (30:13):
I thought this was a bit strange and did you
did play a clip from her before now, Ischaviral. I'm
not saying that she isn't doing well in terms of
her job in opposition. In fact, she's probably one of
the best performing composition MPs, I would say, but what
we have is this interesting issue where it's becoming quite performative,
and I thinkavera Isiaviral is a great example because listen
to this is another example of her. In the Health

(30:36):
Select Committee this morning, Why was the.

Speaker 11 (30:38):
Report for Health New Zealand over an only table yesterday
when that it contains these crucial issues that have been
used to justify healthcats and where expected to be across
a two hundred something plus report in order to hold
you account. This is an unprecedented level of secrecy about

(30:58):
important public spending.

Speaker 14 (30:59):
Now that's not really a question, is that it's more
of a statement and I know they love those around
Parliament and she listened. She might even have a point
with what she was saying, but I think the message
was somewhat undercut by the fact that she was wearing
a little lapel microphone as she was doing it, and
I assume this is so the Labor Party could clip
up the comments and make social media videos about them.
Hence why the delivery of the quote unquote question was

(31:20):
the way.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
That it was.

Speaker 14 (31:21):
Now she's not alone in this. I will know that
David Seymour, when he speaks to media before going into
the house every day, he wears one as well, and
we've noticed that a lot of his answers appear to
be more catered to providing sound bites for his.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
That have access social media rather than the reporters.

Speaker 14 (31:36):
And I just, unfortunately think this is just the way
this is going.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, this is it is happening right across the house
at the moment. Hey, thanks, Jason, appreciate it that it's
Jason Walls. Right now, it is seven to five.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Putting the term questions to the newspakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 16 (31:50):
Times to crystphal lexners w us Frenchier here CRL, do
you know what the problem is and is it serious?

Speaker 5 (31:55):
Not that I haven't been breached on that at all.

Speaker 16 (31:57):
Don't you want to be it's biggest structural project in
the country.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, I would like to know that as first. I've
heard about it, but it just hasn't come to my desk.

Speaker 16 (32:04):
Listen, Oh my god, who's running your office? For goodness safe,
there's a massive holand underneath Auckland businesses have gone bus
for years on end. The thing is three times over budget.
It's years behind it. The French are lying into the
country because they're bugget what's going on. I asked the
private the string You don't.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Know, no right.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
You framed the question in a way that I know
about CRL.

Speaker 12 (32:23):
This project has been going on forever and it Danwell
needs to come to a close.

Speaker 16 (32:27):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
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Speaker 3 (32:32):
Hey, thank you very much for all of your messages
regarding all christ Jack. You've got to remember that China
has an open ally of Russia and North Korea. From
what I've read here, you're right, of course, China has
that no limits agreement with Russia at the moment, so
obviously that'll be a factor in the defense capability plan
as well. We'll talk about that more with our Hard
Lafeter five o'clock as well as that all back sever
Reese has been back in court discharged without conviction. Today.

(32:56):
We'll bring you his comments from outside court. Plus researchers
found that some vegan products are actually worse for the
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Speaker 3 (33:22):
All Black and Crusaders players. Sevu Reese has been named
as the sports star who admitted to a charge of
willful damage driving a car into a garage at a
Cup Day party in christ Church. He was granted a
discharge without conviction when he appeared for sentencing this morning.
Apologizing outside court, Cevu said he wants people to learn
from his mistakes.

Speaker 17 (33:41):
People could learn from some of the things that we
took out from today in court and from some.

Speaker 6 (33:46):
Of my actions.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
So yeah, I think it was a great idea to
take a name suppression off and don't face it. New
Zealand Herald reporter Anna Leask has been in court for
US today and she's with us Snack helder and at
lea's just go back to the incident itself, what actually happened.

Speaker 18 (34:01):
Yeah, well, Sebu was at this party in christ Church.
He was getting a bit disruptive and he was asked
to leave and then next minute he was sort of
behind the wheel of a car and he drove it
into a garage and then he sort of took off
on foot. So initially he was charged with unlawfully taking
a motor vehicle, but that was later brought down to
this single charge of wilful damage. So it's been sort

(34:23):
of a year or more waiting for this to be
resolved in court.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
And under what justification did his lawyer ask for discharge
without conviction? Why did the judge grant it?

Speaker 18 (34:34):
Well, the lawyer's point was he's got potentially a big
career in front of him, which you know, his employment
requires a lot of traveling and future employment could be
hindered by a conviction. It was bury in the grand
scale of things, it's very low level offending, and the
lawyer put to the court that it was just simply

(34:54):
the gravity of the offending it didn't, you know, require
a conviction. The judge agreed and she sort of outlined
all of her reasons for that and said at the
end that anyone in the same situation would have got
to discharge with that conviction as well, sort of reading
between the lines. She wasn't giving it to him so
he could play rugby. Wasn't because there was a celebrity.

(35:15):
It was literally because he's a young guy with a
potential career ahead of him. Was a low level charge
and that was the appropriate thing for her to do today.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, that being said, this isn't the first time he's
been granted a discharge without conviction. Just remind us of
what happened in the past.

Speaker 18 (35:30):
Not Yeah, I think it was twenty and eighteen. He
was charged with common assault. It was a domestic situation
and he effectively assaulted his partner at the time. In
that case, he was granted discharge with that conviction for
similar reasons. The judge today said, you know, she was
mindful that had happened, and he obviously alcohol played a

(35:53):
big part in both offenses that he clearly needs to
address that so it doesn't happen again. But she did
point out that the two offenses were very, very different
and she had to treat them as such. But she
You know, she did acknowledge quite heavily in court that
it is not his first time.

Speaker 17 (36:09):
Before the courts.

Speaker 18 (36:10):
It is not his first offense, and it's not his
first time he's been there because of his alcohol and
you know that he needs to really really sort himself out.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Thanks you, tom Anna, We appreciate it. New Zealand held
reporter analyse the New Zealand Rugby is running an employment
process with sebu Res and the details and results of
that employment process are apparently going to remain confidential. But
there's bortum at the stage right now. It is ten
past five. Team and Health New Zealand's books are looking
slightly better than previously fared, but still really really really bad.

(36:41):
It's chief executive Marji Uppas said today that the projected
deficit for twenty four to twenty five has reduced from
one point seven billion dollars to one point one billion dollars.
It comes as Labor accuses the government of manufacturing a
crisis in the health sector to justify cuts to the system.
Health Minister Shane Eti is with us this evening, good
evening quject good So heck yeah, you two. How has

(37:02):
Health New Zealand managed to reduce that projected deficit by
six hundred million dollars.

Speaker 12 (37:06):
So look, it's a collective piece of work from every
single person at Health New Zealand And for that, I
give them thanks everyone involved. But fundamentally, there's been several things.
First of all, they've implemented management controls, which is what
the Order to General for several years had been saying
needed to be done. They've looked at optimizing the workforce.
Devolving the budget and decision making down into the regions

(37:27):
has improved productivity as well. It's been a mix of
these things that has given us a slightly improved position
which will take going forward.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Health has delayed getting back to budget by another year though,
how do you feel about that?

Speaker 12 (37:40):
Yeah, well that's a challenge. What we could have done
is put up a deficit or put up a balanced
budget that just wasn't going to be reached and put
even more stress on the system, or taken into account
that we pushed out that a little bit further and
get there in a more more thoughtful and safe way.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
So Aishaviral said today during scrutiny week that you have
manufactured a crisis, saying that Health didn't even need a commissioner.
What's your response to that?

Speaker 12 (38:05):
Oh, she's dreaming she created the crisis. Everyone agrees, oag
The independent monitors have agreed that there's been a financial crisis.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
So I'm sorry.

Speaker 12 (38:14):
I don't wear that. I will own what we do
and I do in my hands, but I'm afraid she
needs to own that.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
At the moment, some nurses are on strike until seven
pm this evening, given a one point one billion dollar deficit.
What is your message to them right now?

Speaker 19 (38:29):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (38:29):
My mess them is thank you. I truly value your work.
A little disappointed that we're out in strike action so
early in the bargaining and negotiating stage, but I would
commend both parties to please get back to that bargaining table.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Thanks for your time, we appreciate it. Health Minister Shane
LETTI with us this evening. Thank you for your texts
and emails as well. Jack. I've been struggling with booze
for most of my eighty odd years. Obviously I should
have played for the Allbacks, Jack, unbelievable. These all Backs
seem to get away with anything. I think the thing
that some people will find galling is that it's the
second time that Sevudes has been before the courts in
an alcohol related incident, two very very different incidents several

(39:05):
years apart. But nonetheless, there'll be some people who say
that if any of us were in front of the
courts twice, then you'd at the very least expect a conviction.
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(40:09):
we Go. Research has found some vegan products are worse
for the environment than the real thing. Yeah. Oxford University
has examined twenty four foods used as substitutes for meat
and dairy and scored them on things like production cost
and land and water use. They found that almond milk

(40:29):
and lab grown meat like fake bacon and veggie burgers
aren't actually better for the environment, and in some cases
they're actually worse nutritionous nicky heart is with us now,
I killed a good evening hi Cura. So just explain
to us, how are these alternative foods potentially worse for
the environment.

Speaker 20 (40:47):
Well, it all comes down to ultraprocessing.

Speaker 9 (40:50):
Really.

Speaker 20 (40:50):
I mean, we want you to eat a vast array
of fruit and vegetables, whole grains, legumes, all those kind
of things, but we want them mostly in their natural state. Jack,
I don't want them that they've been manipulated and have
been created with you know, salt and preservatives and those
kind of things. So when I'm thinking about someone wanting
to be a vegan, I want them to look at

(41:11):
the traditional cultures and how they used to put their
legumes and grains and things together. That's what we're after.
We're not wanting all these fake foods. That's not good
at all.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yees. So okay, so it comes down to the processing.
Does that mean that these foods are also worse for
your health? They're not just worse for the environment. Potentially,
they're potentially worse for your health than the real thing
as well.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
Absolutely.

Speaker 20 (41:32):
I mean, I think it all started when we began
to see this ground swell around climate crisis, and everybody
was thinking, Okay, what can I do? What's my part
to play in protecting the planet, And so there was
this huge swell of all these new products. But we
began to think, well, hang on a minute, they're better
than there's some of their parts, Like, for example, a

(41:53):
lot of these fake products don't contain adequate sources of protein.
And you know, we've got an aging pop population. We
don't want the loss of mass or their bones to
be or compromised because they're trying to do something right
when in fact it could be bad for their health.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Almonds are the big one for me. I mean, I
don't mind a little almond from time to time, but
it's ridiculous. They like to make one almond you just
kind of you need like topol. Right, it's a ridiculous
amount of water.

Speaker 20 (42:20):
Exactly right. So if you're wanting to use plant milk
because you ethically don't want to eat drink cow's milk,
then the next one along that I would suggest people
try is a soy milk because at least it is
from a legum and has adequate sources of protein and calcium.
The other ones are not so much. And I think
there's less problems with soy than there is the light

(42:43):
the likes of almond.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
And I've got to read the label because sometimes with
the sour milks they get a lot of sugar in
them sometimes.

Speaker 20 (42:49):
Exactly right, you know, exactly. So this is more about
can people just eat a natural based food source, like
I would rather you eat almonds and drink milk, or
if you're wanting to be a vegan, then use chickpeas
and put them into a curry with rice and brown
rice and so you get all your amino acids. So

(43:09):
it's not just I mean, if I was a vegan,
I don't think i'd want to eat something called not
bacon because that just sounds wrong.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
You know, my attitude is, and this isn't really a
scientific editude, but my attitude is, you can't get something
for nothing, right, So anytime, anytime you think you're getting
something that tastes like super delicious without the calories or
like you know, environmental or nutritional impact, is the real thing,
something that's pretending to be something that isn't nan there's
officialkin there. That's what I reckon.

Speaker 20 (43:36):
Yeah, and so for me, you know, we know, Jack,
a Mediterranean style diet or one that's called the DASH diet,
which is dietary approaches to against hypertension. Those are the
only two diets that are actually recommended by healthcare professionals,
dietitians and nutritionists because we know that their whole and
they're natural, and it's you know, it's it's balanced, and

(43:58):
that's what we need everybody to be thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Very good. Hey, thanks for your time, Nikki. We appreciate it.
Nutrition iss Nikky hert there with the seceding. Thanks for
your feedback, Jack, I and I think a lot of
other New Zealanders are sick of rugby players who appeared
to have been given special dispensation because they have a career.
We all have careers. All of our actions have consequences,
unless apparently, you are a rugby player. It's about time
that the justice system started considering that, not necessarily simply

(44:24):
considering what the New Zealand Rugby Union wants.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
To be totally clear, the judge in the Sevaris case
said it wasn't because of rugby. They said it was
because of the nature of the offending. That being said,
it is I think pretty galling for a lot of
people to see someone with a high profile like this
in a position of relative privilege, being able to travel
the world, being paid a lot of money, appearing before

(44:47):
the courts on two separate occasions now and on both
occasions being discharged with that conviction. Nine two nine two
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He'd be finance Minister Nikola Willis has used her time
before the Finance and Expenditure Committee to confirm the governments
considering toughening up the laws around businesses that are masquerading
as charities or nonprofits. So it's a policy that's probably
not likely to lose the many votes. You know, there

(45:28):
are many people, including those on the political right, who
look at the likes of Sanitarium or the Best Start
childcare education program and question why those organizations can make
millions and dollars in profits without paying tax, while most
other businesses could only dream of doing something similar. Like

(45:49):
any other tax the devil's in the detail and the
inevitable compliance costs, And it's not clear yet how much
revenue that changing the tax status for commercial businesses that
are owned by charities or nonprofits that actually bring in
And look, I'm open to it, i am, which is
not to say the charities don't in themselves do good work,

(46:11):
but I also think they're bigger fish to fry in
the Revenue department that are currently sitting out there untouched.
Let's not forget last year Google sent almost a billion
dollars in in house fees to its overseas parent company
conveniently avoiding paying tax on the vast majority of its
income generated from its New Zealand operations. And yet we

(46:33):
are still waiting for a sense of direction on where
this government stands on a digital services tax and look
tweaks around charities and extra income from tolls. That kind
of thing aren't going to solve the fundamental problem at
the heart of successive government's fiscal management. Right now. According
to the Treasury, New Zealand is in a structural deficit,

(46:54):
so it's going to take a massive shift either much
greater cuts to public spending or significant new reads, new
streams for the governments to get and keep its books
in the black. Team ninety two is our text number.
We will get our huddled thoughts on those potential tax
changes when they join us after five thirties evening Chris

(47:16):
Herson and Alie Jones on the huddle. Plenty of texts
coming in regarding sever Reeve Jack sevu Reese has received
far more publicity than the average person who did something
comparable while drunk would receive. As far as I'm concerned
that it's a disproportionate penalty in itself, he didn't kill
anyone interesting thought all that. I suppose you could say, yeah,

(47:37):
he's received disproportionate attention because he's in a high paid,
glamorous job. Right, that's the flip side to having that job. Jack.
As far as I'm concerned, it's an absolute embarrassment to
our justice system. The lesson for average rugby players is
that apparently the laws are different for them compared to
everyone else. Let's watch the flow and effect for young

(47:59):
players and see how they go. I mean, it was
interesting hearing sevier Reese's comments outside court today. He says
he hasn't touched a drop of alcohol since this event
last year, so it's more than more than twelve months.
But yeah, I get your point. Ninety ninety two. If
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You were a Jacktame on Newstalks, I'd be After six o'clock.
Jamie McKay with the very latest on this bird flu
outbreak in Otago. What it's going to mean for New
Zealand exports. The huddle with us before we'll get their
thoughts on news that charities could be in line for
paying tax for their commercial businesses. Right now, it is
twenty five minutes to six on Newstorks, he'd bee and

(49:11):
former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson reckons he would not
have lost to Labour's Kir Starmer. His own party booted
him out, of course, in favor of Liz Truss and
then Reshisunak. But Boris Johnson told Kerry Woodham this morning
he won't take any of the blame.

Speaker 21 (49:25):
Gone on and done some of the things that we
decided we were going to do together, some of the reforms,
some of the tax cutting as we got to the
end of the parliament, some of the free market stuff
we were going to do. With Brexit, I think we
would have wiped the floor with Starmer.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Senior political correspondent Barry Sober it's just back from a
long lunch with Boris. Hi, Barry, how was it.

Speaker 22 (49:42):
Good afternoon, Jack? It was fascinating actually he called Sekre
Starmer pol Pott, which I thought was a bit tough
at the luncheon, this is wow. And when I was
sitting there looking at the several hundred people packed into
the cords that enormous paying between five hundred and two

(50:03):
thousand dollars a plate, I thought, this is incredible how
a British prime minister, who only was the prime Minister
for a couple of years was able to pull in
such a very, very large crowd. As for a speci well,
I think the best line actually came when Winston Peters
spoke before him, and those two are quite close. They

(50:27):
both met a foreign ministers in the past. And Winston
Peters made note when he was at the podium saying Boris.
He said his impression of Boris as that he is
a man that's just come out of the shower and
used the towel as his hair brush. And I think
it was a pretty good description on Boris's heir was
all over the place and he kept fluffing it up

(50:49):
during the speech. But the speech went on for a
long time, and to me it was sort of like
a slow unravel of a mowhir jersey. He never quite
knew when the next stitch was going to be undone
that he dithered, dithered his way. Couldn't understand many of

(51:10):
the things he was saying because he was dithering so much,
and it says speech pattern. But I'll tell you what,
even though purely politically, I was a bit disappointed because
I probably expected more. I wanted more stories, and I
no doubt in his book Unleashed, but I wanted more
stories about him himself. He talked about the Ukraine, and

(51:32):
of course he said that the Germans and the French
were weak on the Ukraine at the start, and Boris,
of course, his foreign minister, was there several times. He
talked about two days he was before the Queen died.
He was having his prime ministerial audience with the queen.
And I think people really liked that, and it was

(51:55):
very reverential of the queen. But you know, the speech
itself didn't really enlighten the crowd that much. The interview
afterwards was done by Paul Henry, and dare I say it,
lovely Kerry, who interviewed him here in the studio this morning,
had the same trouble that Paul Henry had.

Speaker 21 (52:17):
Couldn't get a.

Speaker 22 (52:17):
Word in edgeways, you know, And I thought Paul Henry
will be being paid for this, So it was a
very easy earn because he didn't get a hell of
a lot of questions. And the laughter during the interview
was the fact that Paul Henry dear he was trying
to interrupt Boris to move the interview along, and it

(52:39):
was quite funny. But it was the interview that aspect
of it I found the most informative, because you know,
he had calmed down from speaking, and you've got to remember,
this man is on the international speaking circuit and the
last figure that I looked that in the two years
he's been out of the Prime Minister's job, he's earned

(53:00):
a five million pound ten million dollars since he's been
on the circuit, So you can imagine how much he
made out of that speech at the Cords this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
So did you get any sense from his presentation that
he's going to have another go at politics.

Speaker 22 (53:17):
No, well, you couldn't get a word in. I'll tell
you what though, Jack, I'm having lunch with them tomorrow
with a small group. Maybe after this, oh my god,
my lunch and invitation will be canceled. But there's a
small group of us going to lunch with him. Tomorrow,
so hopefully, although it is Chathamhouse rules, but I'm sure

(53:41):
he'll be amenable if he is thinking of running again
to maybe dropping a hint. But look, he's a really
entertaining character. I wouldn't have missed it for quiz. I
think the best aspect of it for me was the
number of politicos that had turned John Key was there,
Jury Browne was there, Boss Winston spoke, So it was

(54:04):
a great turnout of politicos. And you know, I'm a junkie,
so I really enjoyed that aspect of it.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Yeah, well, I hope you enjoy the rerun tomorrow as well.
Hope it sounds like great fun. We really appreciate you
coming in after that, Senior political correspondent Barry So for
with us this evening right now is nineteen to six.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
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Global Exposure.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Like Noah, huddle this evening.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Trish Hurson from Shirton Willis PR and Ellie Jones from
Red PR And I suppose either of you got the
invite today or tomorrow? Guys, No oh, dear, well, that
makes three of us, so it's all right, Barry's got
two invites. We can just we can battle along on
our loansomece. Hey, it sounds like charities are going to
be in the gun when it comes to paying tax,

(54:54):
or at least they'll be paying tax on the commercial
entities that they operate. Trish, what do you reckon?

Speaker 23 (55:00):
I think it's a really good thing to do, and
it's timely. It's about fairness. It's not in any way,
as you point out, Jack as structural soul for the
government's revenue woes. But I think it is a very
good thing to do to review who qualifies. And just
because you're called a church these days, or your entity

(55:21):
that's getting the tax free status is related to a church,
that should not give you a free pass from paying
your fair share.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
In my view, Ali, how far should it extend? I mean,
could we see EWI forced to pay tax on their
commercial operations.

Speaker 24 (55:40):
Yeah, well that's a really interesting point.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
I do agree with what Trisha has just said.

Speaker 24 (55:43):
I think any business that's disguising themselves as a charity
or a part of what they do definitely needs to
be taxed. Talking about the EE, I raised this issue
with regards to Nita, who fisheries recently after a letter
to the press in christ Church highlighted the issue. There,
they'd posted a rather healthy profit and they do very
well and they work very hard. But as soon as

(56:05):
I've put it on LinkedIn and had a chat about it,
the racist pylon started. And yeah I did. The conversation
just had to stop. Really, and it wasn't about Ewe
or Nita Whu. It was about an example. Nitelli does
amazing stuff. I mean, they contribute or donate a huge
amount of money from there, from their profits, and surely
that should come off if you like what they have

(56:26):
to pay in tax, just as anyone who donates. But
you know, Sanitarium is another and I know that's held
up and talked about a lot as an example of this.
By the way, did you know they've stopped producing peanut butter. Yes, terrible,
But yeah, I look, I think it's a very good idea.
I don't agree with your position Jack, that they're a
bigger fish to fry. I think it's all about fairness,

(56:47):
consistency and principle.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
No, I think they should do it as well. I
just think they should do it as an and and
as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, so all Blacks. Ever,
Reese has admitted to a charge of wilful damage after
a party in christ You last year. He's been discharged
without convictions the second time that's happened, Trisha, Would he
have been discharged if he wasn't in all black?

Speaker 23 (57:08):
I think it's very hard to make that call, and
it sounds like the judge was at pains to point
out that that wasn't a factor. I think the biggest
question here, though, is one for New Zealand Rugby and
its sponsors. These stories are never good. They're never good
for the game, they're never good for the reputation around it.

(57:29):
For you know, everyone is having the same kinds of
conversations and I think with the game in the state
that it is at the moment, you know, this is
just not something that they want in the headlines. And
you know this also comes back to personal responsibility of
the individual involved. You know, this is the second time

(57:52):
both times you know, he has admitted to the charges,
has been discharged without conviction, and I would say he's
probably a very lucky young man if he gets to
continue on with his career after this.

Speaker 6 (58:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Yeah, it's a tricky one. Ellie Is and and as
Tris says that the judge was really clear today and
going to real pains to try and explain that this
wasn't because he was an all black, not because he's
a crusader. But there are so many people who look
at this and say, you know what, this is evidence
of a two tiered justice sys system. There's justice for

(58:28):
Joe Schmoe in the street, and then there's a different
standard of justice for someone who's got a big public profile.

Speaker 24 (58:35):
I think what you've said suggests to me that there
are extenuating circumstances. I mean, to me, this is a
slam dunk. Is just what Trish has said. So many
people will be will be thinking, and fair enough too.
I think that's a very fair position to take, which
makes me think there has got to be something else
going on in the background here. There must be extenuating circumstances,

(58:57):
and I don't know what they are. I wasn't there.
I haven't heard the case, so I mean, that's all
I can say on it. I would really like to
hear from him, and I'd like to hear from maybe
family as well as to what those circumstances were.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Yeah, Wellie I mean it was interesting he set outside
court today that he's made really considered in deliberate efforts
to try and turn himself around. In the last year,
he hasn't had a drop of alcohol, and obviously that
that is, you know, a contributing factor in all of this.
But yeah, it's a really interesting issue. Thanks so much, guys.
We'll be back with the huddle in a couple of minutes.
Tris Herson and Allie Jones fourteen to six on News
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Speaker 3 (59:34):
You're back with our huddle this evening, Trish Sharson and
Allie Jones. So the Defense Minister Judith Collins says our
defense plan has been delayed because of the deteriorating international
security situation in our neck of the woods in the Pacific,
and it was interesting she talked about China's decision to
fire an intercontinental ballistic missile into the Pacific and was
pretty pretty frank were you surprised to see her delay

(59:58):
this plan? Alli that missile firing could push things back.

Speaker 24 (01:00:03):
I have to say that defense capability planning and budgeting
is not something I would say as an area of
expertise for me, Jack. The only thing I would say,
I'm going to sull like the Prime Minister. Now, what
I can tell you, Jack is that I think you
probably need to know what you need to spend your
money on even with this action going on right. I

(01:00:23):
think the concern is that the budget is in early
twenty five. They're saying that they may not know this
information until early twenty five, and I doubt that's enough
time to actually get into.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
The bid process. But I'm sure there are areas.

Speaker 24 (01:00:34):
In our defense sector if you like that need very
serious attention. I don't see why there can't be some
announcements related to that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Now, tri It's tricky, right, We obviously have to completely
change the way many parts of our defense force are operating.
At the moment. The world is a different place to
that of ten years ago. But this is going to
cost vast sums of money.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
It is.

Speaker 23 (01:00:59):
I mean, Judith Collins, you know she's right on the money.
I've reflected this year that you know, for the first
time in my adult life or my lifetime, we are
starting to see people world leaders actually talk about the
threat of World War three. Think about the first presidential
debate this year with you know where Trump raised the specter,

(01:01:22):
and the debate with Biden. You know, you've got Sweden
putting out a booklet to its population to prepare for
the event of nuclear war. And closer to home, you know,
you've got after many decades, China really stepping in to
the Pacific and now with the missile firing. I also

(01:01:44):
think that you've got the world forming up in ways
that we haven't seen since World War Two. And you know,
you've had Russia recently holding a major summit with the
African nations who have said, you know, Russia is a
better friend to us than the colonious colonial powers. But
in amongst all of that, and with a defense budget
of about five hundred million dollars, how would you make

(01:02:08):
a plan when you're Zealand. I do not envy Judith
Collins or the the government that task because our spending
is so minuscule. We've been gared for so many years
to a sort of a peacekeeping role, and so what
will we do now, especially if you know we're signing
up to Aucust and potentially we're going to be required

(01:02:33):
like a lot of countries will be to sort of
pay more and to do more. It's a very challenging situation.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Yeah, especially when you have a naval ship under twenty
five meters of water off the coast of some more. Hey,
thanks so much, guys, really appreciate your time. Trishuson from
shirston Willis pr and Allie Jones from Red pr Our
huddle this evening. Thank you for your messages regarding that.
It was a really interesting interview with Judith Collins. If
you didn't hear any who have made it available at
Newstalks dB dot co dot ed. She was just quite

(01:03:04):
frank in her assessment of what she perceives as the
deteriorating security situation in the Pacific, especially with regards to
China the firing of that intercontinental ballistic missile, but also
the visiting of a of a Chinese ship to Vanuatu
just last month. And it's fascinating to see the kind
of divisions between our major parties on this, to see

(01:03:25):
the divisions between national and labor when it comes to
aucas Pillar two, especially because we don't know what aucast
Pillar two actually involved at this stage. And we'll get tomorrow.
Your texts on that very shortly ninety two ninety two.
If you want to send us a message right now,
it is eight minutes to six.

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Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Thank you for a feedback, Heaves. The texts have come through.
Jack Regarding the defense capability plan, we should be starting
off with the housing stock in the defense sector. It
simply isn't up to healthy home standards. It's atrocious. You
are one hundred percent right. I think across many parts
of our defense sector or defense force, the housing standards
are absolutely appalling. It's a disgrace that they've been allowed

(01:04:16):
to get to the state they're in right now. So
obviously that's going to be a focus, or should be
a focus. Jackson's granted, it's simple for New Zealand. We
pay our defense money to Australia and then if Australia falls,
we are gone. It's as simple as that. I mean.
One of the big problems here is that we don't
really know with certainty what Donald Trump is going to

(01:04:37):
mean for orcus or for security in our region, right.
I mean, it becomes really tricky when you are trying
to say, Okay, New Zealand wants to better align its
security relationships with Australia, the UK and the Americans. If
Donald Trump isn't going to come along and say bad news,
key is you guys are getting a ten percent tariff
or a twenty percent tariff. My goodness, that becomes an evil,

(01:05:00):
trickier equation. But yeah, it's going to be really intriguing
to see how that unfolds. I'll get to more of
your messages very soon if you want to send me
a note. Ninety two. Ninety two is the text number.
Jacket NEWSTALKSZB dot co dot NZ. Jack, I think is
a total double standard when it comes to Sebe Reese.
If it was anyone else who had been up in
court on two separate occasions, both of them relating to alcohol,

(01:05:22):
even if those two crimes weren't necessarily connected, I think
we would expect to see some sort of a conviction.

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
It's an absolute fast as far as I'm concerned. He's
an all black. That's the only reason he managed to
get off today. I mean the judge did go to
some link to explain it wasn't because it was an
all black, but thank you for that. After six o'clock
this evening, you know how the oil and gas industry
want the government to underwrite risk for oil and gas expiration.
We wanted to know why. We asked the Finance Minister

(01:05:50):
Nicola Wellis last night. She couldn't go into much detail.
But after six o' o'clock this evening, we're going to
catch up with Energy Resources ALTA or get them to
explain exactly what it would mean if the guverment decided
to underwrite that risk. We'll also get the latest on
this bird flu outbreak in Otago. Thousands and thousands of
animals having to been put down because of that outbreak,

(01:06:11):
so we'll see what's going to mean for our exports
and whether or not that outbreak is likely to spread.
It's almost six o'clock though, News is next. You're a
Jacktam on News doorgs EDB.

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(01:06:55):
minutes past six on Newstorgs EDB and an oil and
gas lobby group has written to energy ministers and Brown
asking him to consider underwriting oil and gas exploration by
private companies. The argument mounted by Energy Resources Altered Or
is that we need something like this to get oil
and gas prospectors back to New Zealand after the last
governments offshore oil and bass exploration gan ban scared them off.

(01:07:18):
Green Party Colily Chloe Swarbricks has gas production peaked in
twenty fourteen and underwriting exploration for more would be quote deranged.
John Carnegie is chief executive of Energy Resources Altered Or,
and he's with us now, Hi, John.

Speaker 19 (01:07:31):
Hey Jack here?

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
You don yeah, well think so, so just explain to
us what exactly were you proposing.

Speaker 19 (01:07:38):
Well, actually, just before getting into that, we're a pan
Energy Sector Group. We represent the entire value chain of
the energy sector, So we proudly represent the oil and
gas sector, but we also represent electricity producers and distributors
and fueled distributors. But look in terms of your question,

(01:08:03):
but I actually think in terms of for your listeners,
it's important to put what we've asked for in context.
And they're two points. The first is we've actually got
an energy shortage and some in fact might call it
a crisis, and we felt that during the winter it's
caused havoc to industry and households. And actually we might

(01:08:24):
think we didn't have blackouts, but we did because they
were managed behind the scenes by two of our major exporters.
So you know, now, what we need now is policy
settings that encourage investment and new expiration and appraisal to
unclog the closed pipeline and deliver affordable, secure energy. And
the second point is actually that gas producers were actually

(01:08:46):
damaged badly by the twenty eighteen exploration ban, and so
what we're talking about is actually just re leveling the
playing field. Governments all over the developed world are setting
fixing settings to ensure they've got a reliable pipeline of
secure and affordable energy. And in fact, I think just

(01:09:07):
last week or the week before, this government invested sixty
million dollars in deep geothermal research. And while that's great,
it doesn't solve the now problem and we need natural
gas for that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Yeah, okay, So to exactly what you asked of the minister,
just explain to us what you proposed in terms of
the government underwriting expiration.

Speaker 19 (01:09:28):
Well, look, we didn't have a firm view on the
type of mechanism the government could choose, but look, the
Minister has for months been talking about the need to
offer gas produces some form of protection via bonds or
I think the Minister mused publicly about long term contracts,
and actually for months we've been publicly agreeing. So in

(01:09:51):
fact that only Radio New Zealand seemed to be surprised
by our letter and our suggestion that the Minister and
the government do what he has been suggesting. In fact,
actually were mystified why it's taking so long. I mean,
the bottom line for us, Jack is that oil and
gas expiration companies are worried that any investment they make
in New Zealand could be eroded or stripped away if

(01:10:13):
the government changes. So you know, this isn't a To
call it a subsidy would be a complete mischaracterization. It's
effectively like the government taking an insurance policy out against itself,
against its future self that promises no adverse rule changes
that would again damage the sector.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
But what would happen if you didn't find anything? Who'd
be on the hoops?

Speaker 19 (01:10:41):
That's the risk that would be borne by the sector.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Born by the textpayer as well.

Speaker 19 (01:10:46):
Right, No, no, not at all. This is this is
this is an underwright that would only protect the sector
from pernicious future policy changes. This government has said, and
in fact they're in the process of reversing the oil
and Gas band, which we applaud, but we've already had

(01:11:07):
the opposition saying they're going to put it back in.
Now who would invest under those conditions?

Speaker 6 (01:11:14):
Right?

Speaker 19 (01:11:14):
So the problem is, well, well, you know, there's certainly
plenty of gas out there and New Zealand is ripe
to be explored. Investors are loath to invest. They have
no confidence to invest that their investment today will be
kept whole tomorrow if a new government comes in. And
so actually, again the beauty of this is that there's

(01:11:41):
no if policies don't change, then this is a completely
costless policy. It would never get triggered. But it is,
as I said, like a guarantee.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
So okay, I'm just going to read the leader here,
so quote, this is what you said. Our preferred option
is for the Crown to prioritize gas exploration. The most
efficient means of covering the security of supply risk is
some form of risk reward arrangement. This would entail the
government underwriting gas exploration and appraisal, whereby the government takes
part or all of the risk if natural gas should

(01:12:15):
not be produced, while sharing some of the reward. If
it is so, just to be totally clear, under that wording,
if you were to explore for gas and not find any,
wouldn't the government then be on the hook.

Speaker 19 (01:12:31):
Well, no, the idea is that you know, here's because
here's the risks are quite nuanced. Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Sorry, just to be totally clear, because you were saying
that you were saying you want to stop like a
government of the day in the future saying oh you
found gas, Sorry too, Bear, We're not going to let
you extract that gas because we're going to reintroduce this thing. Yeah,
but the wording of that would suggest that the word
there says that should natural guess not be produced, but

(01:13:02):
it wouldn't be produced if you didn't find it, right, Well,
that's right, So the text player would be potentially be
on the hook for that risk as well.

Speaker 6 (01:13:10):
Well.

Speaker 19 (01:13:10):
I mean, this is one of the one of the
options that we've put forward. It's one of a number
of options.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
I mean, you haven't found you haven't found guess in
the past though, eh, like there was last time found.

Speaker 19 (01:13:21):
In fact, the most recent discovery was the Tutoray field
in twenty twenty, right, so there is penny of gas there.
And part of the problem with the band is that
there are gas rich basins off the east coast of
both islands that were effectively sterilized by the ban, preventing

(01:13:42):
the future explorations. So you know that, as I said, Jack,
the damage to the sector's being severe, and you know
the it's it's actually extraordinary that you know, the what
are the country would the future of a sector be.

Speaker 10 (01:14:05):
Banned?

Speaker 19 (01:14:06):
And then the country, having realized that we need the product,
has come back to the sector to say come and
help us out. We need you to secure our energy future.
And so the sector is standing by ready to help.
It's just gun shy yea.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
So how has the Energy minister responded?

Speaker 19 (01:14:28):
Well, the Energy Well, in fact, it's the Resources minister.
Minister Jones, like the Energy Minister, he's committed to keeping
the lights on an energy affordable We haven't heard back
from the ministers at this point, but I do know
that Minister Jones has publicly and often said he's keen

(01:14:50):
to atone for the harm the oil and Gas band
has done to the industry. And I guess that was
the point I was making. What other industry has its future,
band has its investment pipeline strangled, and then it's called
on to help when a country realizes it needs their
help to ensure reliable, affordable energy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
It's like a compensation for the way in which that
band was introduced, is what you're suggesting pretty much.

Speaker 19 (01:15:14):
And honestly, you can't make this stuff. You know, I
couldn't make this stuff up.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 19 (01:15:19):
It's the damage has been severe and now the country
realizes how much we need natural gas to help us
actually as we journey towards the lower missions future.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Hey, thanks your time, John, We appreciate it. That is
our energy resources alter or Chief Executive John Carnegie. Right now,
it is sixteen past six with Jack Tame on Newstalks 'db.

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Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Allan Drive and the Country host Jamie McKay is with
us this evening. Hi, Jamie Goda. Jack, any update for
us on the blue bird flu case in Otago? Is
it spreading? If they found it anywhere else?

Speaker 17 (01:16:15):
No, nowhere else at that stage. I spoke to Raysmith,
the Director general of MPI at lunchtime on my show.
I've just watched the network news feed on it of
begetting press releases from MPI. So as it stands at
the moment, Jack, we're talking eighty thousand birds that are
going to have to be eradicated out of one hundred

(01:16:35):
and sixty thousand on that farm, that mainland poultry farm
at Moraki. But if you're worried about a lack of
eggs on the market because of this, just call your
jets AWE. But at the moment, because we've got like
four million layer hens in this country, so that's only
two percent. Obviously, if that number grows, it'll be concerned.
I just wonder whether there might even be more concerned Jack,

(01:16:58):
if it gets into the chicken meat industry, Raysmith told
me today, and I think I picked this up correctly.
We have one hundred million chickens for meat production, which
sounds a hell of a lot. That's like twenty chickens
for each of us to eat here in New Zealand.
But if it gets in there, it could have sub ramifications.
But look, MPI, to be fair to them, I've got

(01:17:20):
a pretty good track record in recent times with m
bovus and even with COVID tracing and all that sort
of stuff, I guess for shutting these things down. So
hopefully they can shut this one down. And it's just
just that farm affected.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
The government's third and final Farmer Friendly Restoring Farmer Confidence
Tour meeting is taking place tomorrow NYMUMU. So what are
they hoping to achieve?

Speaker 17 (01:17:45):
Well, that's a good question, Jack, I said to Prime
Minister Christopher Luxen on the show last week. Are you
effectively preaching to the choir because you know he's going
to get one hundred percent support of these meetings. Bearing
in mind, as said third and final, they've done Mystery
Creek Glass Tuesday. I think it was ash Burton Friday,

(01:18:06):
and then this one at the way Mumu Field days
sight just outside of Gore and Southland heartland kind of
national or coalition government country. Look, I think the idea
is to get amongst the farmers, share the love, get
them off farm some of them have had a bit
of a tough time weatherwise. Give him a barbie and
it's a chance for the farmers to rub shoulders not

(01:18:27):
only with the Prime Minister but with the Minister of
Agriculture and Trade, Todd McLay and also the President of
Federated Farmers Wayne Langford. So I suspect, being a Southland
and the South Jacket, there'll be a pretty good turn
out there and they'll get plenty of support. But they're
not getting it in other places, but they're certainly getting

(01:18:47):
it from the farmers.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Global Dairy Trade Auction tonight. What are you expecting, Jammie.

Speaker 17 (01:18:52):
Well, greater minds than mine have thought about this. Jacka,
the guy I uses Mike McIntyre at chard and I've
got to give him a shameless plugs regular as clockwork,
he texts me every Tuesday before a GDT auction. Look,
he's picking one to two percent rise across the board,
led by the powder's whole milk powder, skim milk powder.
They could be a bit stronger to drag the Aberge

(01:19:14):
index up. The futures for the twenty four to twenty
five season jack currently sit at ten dollars and ten
cents and that is good, good money in anyone's in
anyone's box.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
And Jamie Beef and Lame New Zealand are calling for
changes to New Zealand's climate change policies.

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:19:32):
Well, they're saying that we're out of step internationally with
other key areas. And this is a report that they've
had commissioned with sixteen other or sixteen jurisdictions, that's effectively
fifteen countries PULT plus the EU. They're saying, you know,
the same sort of stuff we've heard for a long time,

(01:19:52):
that that our beef and lamb from farm to plate
is amongst the lowest in the world in terms of
absolute emissions. The other interesting factor is that sheep and
beef farms have reduced their emissions and this is by
attrition by thirty five percent since nineteen ninety when we
first put a peg in the sand around climate change.

(01:20:13):
Kate Ackland says, we're not being let off the hook.
That's the narrative that's out there. She's saying, no other
country apart from Denmark, is currently intending to put a
price on agricultural emissions. We will by the year twenty
thirty under current policy, and in the likes of Denmark,
those farmers are going to be have their their emissions

(01:20:34):
pricing offset big time by billions of dollars of subsidies
to farmers. Interestingly, Jack, of all those sixteen jurisdictions, only
New Zealand doesn't have a limit on the amount of
forestry offsets available to fossil fuel emitters, and many have
policies aimed at limiting the conversion of productive farms into

(01:20:54):
carbon forestry. Expect some announcement from the government tomorrow, maybe
Chris By, Christopher Luxe and Todd McClay at Hye Murmur
on the changes to those off setting rules.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Thanks for your time, Jamie, appreciated as ever, mate. That
is host of the country Jamie McKay twenty four past six.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
Mary is seeing the funny side of life at the moment, Jack,
they need to release the cat flu to eradicate the
bird flu. Unfortunately I have no epidemiologist. I don't think
it quite works like that. But yeah, amazing when you
put the put into context the number of animals that
have had to be destroyed as a result of this
bird flu outbreak and compare that to the total number
of chickens in New Zealand. Was it for four million?

(01:21:44):
Jamie McKay reckoned Jack, regarding the oil and gas interview,
very very interesting, said in one sentence that there would
be no cost to the taxpayer, but then in an
earlier quote effectively said the opposite. Hmmm, yeah, that was intriguing.
I can't imagine that this government, although they obviously want
to improve New Zealand's energy independence, I can't imagine that

(01:22:05):
this government is going to have a whole lot of
enthusiasm for underwriting something if there is a potential likely
cost to the taxpayer, And of course it depends who
you ask at the moment. The likelihood of finding significant
new gas deposits that might be might be tapped sometime soon.
So yeah, thank you for that. Ninety two ninety two
is the text number if you want to send us

(01:22:25):
a message. Jacket Newstork's dB dot CO dot m Z
before seven o'clock this evening, while the former UK Prime
Minister is here, we are going to take you to
the UK Plus. We're going to take a closer look
at this solar zero situation. Speak to CEO of another
solar company to find out just how hard the solar
business is doing it. Right now, it's almost six thirty though,
News US Next you with Jack Tame on Newstorg zb.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
Qunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Is Jacktam with the Business Hour thanks to my HR
the HR solution for busy Yes, Simmy's on News talksby.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
Really Us Talks be with Jack Tame. Thank you for
your messages this evening. Jack, regarding New Zealand's need for
more energy, my energy advice is stock up on candles,
deodor into wall blankets. Problem solved, says Chris.

Speaker 17 (01:23:32):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Yeah, but I'm not sure the problem solved necessarily, Chris,
but it's an interesting point. This energy independence thing I
think is going to become more and more of an
issue was fascinating. I was talking to the outgoing head
of the Climate Change Commission, Rod car the other day,
and he was saying, he reckons the biggest impetus in
New Zealand is going to be energy independent because of

(01:23:55):
all of the international volatility that we're kind of just
getting a bit of a window into now. The likelihood
of more volatility is the US and China are increasingly
compete in years to come, the Russians as well. He
said that he reckons the drive to have a total
energy independence and not be importing nearly as much energy
as going to be a huge factor when it comes

(01:24:15):
to New Zealand's future. And so getting more cars that
are burning petrol off the roads and burning diesel off
the roads, getting more electrification right across our system, he
reckons that's going to be the big driving force anyway.
If you want to see his message, ninety two ninety
two is the text number speaking of renewable energy forms.
The owner of a solar panel business has weighed in

(01:24:35):
on why he thinks Solar zero has failed. So Solo
zero was a solar panel subscription service that was unexpectedly
put into liquidation by its one hundred percent shareholder, black
Rock last week. John Harmon is the owner of light
Force Solar and is with us this evening.

Speaker 6 (01:24:51):
Hi John, Good afternoon Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Were you surprised by the Solar zero announcement?

Speaker 6 (01:24:58):
I was absolutely stunned. Yes.

Speaker 25 (01:25:00):
Why Well, they had such a huge pool of money
behind them, and you know, they had a pretty awesome
proposition that you could put solar panels on your roof
at no charge, so it was amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:25:16):
I was astonished.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Yeah, I mean it does from a consumer perspective, putting
solar panels on your roof and no charge does sound
pretty good. But I suppose from a business perspective that
there might come with a few more fishhooks. So explain
to us why did Solar zero close down?

Speaker 25 (01:25:31):
Well, I mean, the thing is, we're at the end
of the supply chain from China. A lot of the
batteries and the technology that we installed five to ten
years ago, and our pasts are used by data need replacing.

Speaker 6 (01:25:46):
So that's the first thing.

Speaker 25 (01:25:48):
And the second thing is that you know, the contract
was for twenty five years, and most people buy and
sell their house within seven to ten years, and that
contract had to be transferred to the new owner, so
that caused a problem. I mean, for instance, the final

(01:26:09):
thing is that the price of panels and the qualities
come down. So you can put twenty thousand dollars worth
of panels on your house and that adds thirty thousand
dollars worth of value to you when you sell it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:20):
So all of.

Speaker 25 (01:26:20):
Those factors I think are played into the demise of
black Rock.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
So explain that point to us. So you can put
twenty thousand dollars worth of panels on your roof and
that increases your house value by more. Explain that to us.

Speaker 6 (01:26:35):
So that's that comes from Sydney, Australia.

Speaker 25 (01:26:39):
The fact that you've got independent energy source and these
panels last for thirty years increases the value of your house.

Speaker 6 (01:26:47):
So you increase the value of your house.

Speaker 25 (01:26:49):
You probably produce about twenty five to thirty percent of
your power off the roof for the next thirty years.
And if you move things around and sort of plug
in your ev during the sunny day, you get free
juice to run your car.

Speaker 6 (01:27:03):
So there's a lot of positives about.

Speaker 25 (01:27:06):
Being independent and owning, owning your own sort of generation source.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
Yeah, I mean absolutely. It's the capital cost that's often
the challenge for people, right, But I suppose if you're
putting panels at a capital cost of twenty grand on
your rooth and you're going to be saving on power
to the tune of ten grand in the future, if
not more, then it does make sense. So how's your
business going, John, how's light force solar going at the moment.

Speaker 6 (01:27:29):
Well, we can't keep up with demand.

Speaker 25 (01:27:32):
I mean, the people are aware that power prices are
going up, they're aware now that they need resilience and independence.
So we've got a three month waiting list to do
an installation. We're in about seven places around New Zealand,
major centers, so we can't keep up with demand.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:27:52):
Yeah, I mean it's really reached the tipping point where
the price of power, the price of panels, and the
feeling that kevies want, which is to be independent of
the big boys, all of that's quite a moving feast
and it's really the tipping point for us.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Yeah. So do you think that solar zero because of
its kind of unique structure was an outlier and that
other solar providers in New Zealand have more robust businesses
even in these trying economic times.

Speaker 6 (01:28:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:28:21):
Absolutely, you just have to right size your business. And
we don't have a legacy of old customers requiring upgrades.

Speaker 6 (01:28:29):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 25 (01:28:30):
So you know, if we do any upgrades with people,
they say I start off with ten pounels, but now
I want another ten or they say I want ten
pounds in a battery because I trust that it really works.
So you know, that's a different model to lease to own.
And we're quite a small population in New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
And.

Speaker 25 (01:28:51):
You know people want to go with you know, they
often buy local and they want to buy locally owned.

Speaker 6 (01:28:58):
We're a New Zealand owned company.

Speaker 25 (01:29:00):
But the almost all of my installation guys have been
with me ten years.

Speaker 6 (01:29:03):
They're real experts.

Speaker 25 (01:29:04):
And it's not one size fits all. You know, each
roof is different, each budget is different, so you have
to you have to you have to make sure that
you're meeting people's expectations.

Speaker 6 (01:29:19):
Yeah, and meeting the budget.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that makes total sense. You know,
it's fascinating to look at what Australia has done on
the solar front. And obviously there are different climatic conditions
in Australia, although I suppose a city like Melbourne would
be relatively comparable, relatively comparable to a city like Auclord.
But are there things that you think the government could do,
John that would make it easier with regulation, that would

(01:29:43):
speed up the uptake of roofshop solar.

Speaker 25 (01:29:46):
Absolutely, any new house should have rooftop solar mandatory, so
that's new bills.

Speaker 6 (01:29:54):
We should have recognition that.

Speaker 25 (01:29:57):
If you put a battery on that you're creating resilience
and you can use the battery to a charge from
the grid during cheap power prices and discharge to the
grid from high power prices, so you basically.

Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
Become a gentail. You generate power and you can sell power.

Speaker 25 (01:30:16):
And those are the things that modern technology is allowing
you to do. And that's an ever increasing wave. I mean,
in Australia of the whole energy system, twenty two percent
is rooftop solar, not solar farms rooftop solar. In New
Zealand it's aboutzero point one percent. We've got a long
way to go.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
Yeah, Yeah, that is amazing, isn't it. That I mean, again,
very different kind of climatic environment, but that is quite remarkable. John,
how did you go from being a breast surgeon to
the owner of a solar panel company.

Speaker 6 (01:30:48):
Well, I'm the accidental owner, Jack, so thanks for that.

Speaker 25 (01:30:53):
I really saw this as the future of New Zealand,
and I'm an entrepreneur, and I invested in the company
and then it grew so big that I had to
buy the original founder out, as often happens, and grow
it in the direction that was most business like.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Right, Yeah, that's amazing. How different is your life then?
You enjoying this?

Speaker 6 (01:31:14):
Oh? Yeah, I do.

Speaker 25 (01:31:15):
I mean I asked some of our installation guys when
I first invested in the company, I said, how's it going?
And they said, Johnny, I have a different view from
my office every morning, and I'm saving the planet.

Speaker 6 (01:31:29):
It's the best job in the world.

Speaker 25 (01:31:31):
And I have that sense within our community that we're
doing right by our community, and we're doing right by
global warming. So and it's really plugged into the latest
technologies that are fast moving.

Speaker 6 (01:31:44):
So it's exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Yeah. So for people who've been considering going solar for
some time, do you reckon there are going to be
big reductions in the cost of solar panels in the
years to come. I mean it keeps getting cheaper and
cheaper and cheaper, but for how much long is that
going to continue?

Speaker 25 (01:31:59):
Well, no, we're starting to see panel prices at their
cheapest and they're putting in slight price increases, so they're
at the highest quality and cheapest price now that they're
only going to go up slightly in price.

Speaker 6 (01:32:15):
And you know, I think that the panels are.

Speaker 25 (01:32:19):
Incredibly high tech in the last thirty years, so they're
not going to get much better.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Yeah, hey, thanks for your time. We really appreciate it.
That is John Harmon. He is the owner of Lightforce Solar.
It's quarter to seven. You're with Jacktame on Newstorgs.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
He'd b whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.
It's all on the Business Hour with Jack team and
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B was.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
The bit the future governmental counsels will decide sol the
power users have to pay their officiar and taxing to
the point it won't end up being any cheaper for them. Well, look,
never say never. I suppose the end, but I'm not
sure that's totally likely at the stage ninety two ninety two.
If you want to send us some it is time
to catch up with UK correspondent in the Brady Hi, Inda.

Speaker 5 (01:33:04):
Hey Jack, good to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
You too, now pretty sure is mounting on the BBC
to pull the plug on mastershift shows involving Greg Wallace.

Speaker 5 (01:33:13):
So, if you haven't followed this story, a lot of women,
and a lot of them are well known women in
the media spotlight here have come forward to say and
complain about Greg Wallace making inappropriate jokes of a sexual nature,
sexualized banter. Not good about thirteen people now, he's pointing
out he's basically come out of the Trump playbook with

(01:33:35):
his defense. And Greg Wallace is an unabashed asked Englishman
and he has come out and said on Instagram the
other day that if you notice the complaints and the complainants,
he said, they're all from middle class ladies of a
certain age. So that was his response. It has not
gone down very well, so much so that more people

(01:33:57):
have come forward and it's getting worse for him. He's
kind of flambayed his career to use a culinary expression
and he's now had to apologize, but it's it's almost
a non apology. He said that if you were offended
by what he said about middle class ladies of a
certain age complaining about him, he's sorry. The show goes
on on TV. At least they've already filmed Mastership. It

(01:34:20):
is the one of the points big coverage and entertainment
up until Christmas. But the problem they've got is this
is on the front pages here every single day now.
Greg Wallace has become a media caricature. And then they've
they've got a show that's already filmed. They're at the
semi final stage and people are now saying that just

(01:34:41):
been and off and await the results of the investigation.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
Ah dear, Yeah, what a fiesco. Imagine being in the
BBC having to make that call. That's really tricky. Hey,
Camilla has pulled out of today's ceremonial welcome for Kata's
royals while they're on a state visits.

Speaker 5 (01:34:57):
So this is a three day state visit by the
Emir of Qatar and his wife. They are some of
the wealthiest people in history and they're coming to the
UK for three days before Christmas. Now Camilla has the
lingering effects of that chest infection that has kind of
taken her out of the loop for several weeks now
since she got back from Australia and India and Samoa.

(01:35:18):
So she's not going to be taking part in the
carriage procession today. Now it was minus eight in parts
of Scotland last night. I've not even seen what it
was here in Oxfordshire. I know it was cold. It
will be a bitterly cold morning to be around horse
Guards Parade in London, especially if you're not in the
best of shape and your lungs are giving you grief.
So I think she's quite right to take a step
back today. Apparently she will attend the lunch indoors later on,

(01:35:41):
but she will not be in the carriage procession to
welcome the Emir of Qatar. It is Keir Starmer's first
state visit here as Prime Minister, so it's a big deal.
And look, Britain needs growth and the Kataries could certainly
do a lot for British business.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
Yeah, and how the French government is on the brink
of collapse.

Speaker 5 (01:36:04):
Hanging by a thread. So Michel Barney out of the
name Rings of Belle was the basically the European Union
bureaucrat who did their Brexit negotiations. He's now French Prime minister.
He yesterday decided to force through a budget without a vote.
The French are extremely angry. You can imagine how they
go on this one. So he is looking at a

(01:36:26):
vote of no confidence, possibly as early as tomorrow, possibly
the French government collapsing. Because he can't win the vote
of no confidence, the far right to go against him
and that will mean that the French government could collapse
as early as Thursday. So a lot of stress. There,
a lot of problems. It's the second biggest economy in Europe.

(01:36:49):
We need a strong, prosperous, politically stable France. Waiting in
the background, of course, is Marie Le Penn of the
far right, her National Rally Party. They got ten million
votes last year in the European elections last time round,
so she's gaining in popularity and that spells bad news
for Emmanuel Macronkie.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Hey, what do you think this is about Maccron's decision
to call that snap election.

Speaker 5 (01:37:13):
I think, in hindsight, I'm guessing now. I was there.
I covered it time. It was in the middle of
a mini riot in Paris. I think in hindsight he's
probably regretting it now, but he did it to shock
the French people because there was a huge surge of
support ten million votes for the far right and the
pen during the European elections, and I think he woke

(01:37:35):
up the next day and thought, Okay, do you know what,
I'm going to go to the people. If you want
the farawright government, bring it on. And of course the
far right did not win that election. They swung far left.
You know, it's Francis all over the place. Germany's in
a bad place as well. Twenty twenty five could be
a very difficult year for the European project. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
I really appreciate your time in the as IF a
UK correspondent in the Brady with us this evening. It's
just coming up to six minutes to seven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
Getting ready for a new administration in the US. What
will be the impact.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
It's the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen and my HR,
the HR solution for busy SMEs news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
That'd be right, Oh, just coming up to seven o'clock
on news talks. He'd be thank you very much for
all of your text and emails throughout the afternoon. Sanitarium
said a pretty rough day. So they've ended the production
of their peanut butter range and they say we sincerely apologize.
But not only that, of course, the finance mister Nicola
well there suggesting the government's may be going to be

(01:38:36):
making some moves on looking to tax the charitable organizations
that are using corporate operations or using private businesses to
fund some of the operations. So anyway, you're not a
great day for Sanitarium. Maybe as has chosen the song
to close us out this evening. What are you going for, sir?

Speaker 26 (01:38:56):
Oh, Like, you don't know what this song is.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
I never heard it when we hit the next three
days or anything.

Speaker 26 (01:39:01):
Yeah, why amca by the village people to play us out?

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Way?

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Why why?

Speaker 26 (01:39:05):
Victor Willis has come out and said that it is
totally cool for Donald Trump to use this as a
and there has been some dispute about list in this past,
but ultimately he's like, no, I don't want to say
who can all come?

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Who's Victor Willow?

Speaker 26 (01:39:17):
Oh, that's the question. Everyone wants to know. He's the
policeman and or the naval opposite, depending on what you think.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
I might have interviewed him. I've interviewed the village people.
He's a career hard.

Speaker 26 (01:39:26):
He also says that if anyone calls the song aga anthem,
he will sue them.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
So we're going to say that. Would never say that.
I can't imagine my anyone would thank you so much.
Chance Darcy water Grave with Sports Talk right after the
seven o'clock news. It's almost seven You with News Talks.

Speaker 20 (01:39:41):
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Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
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