Full Show Podcast: 04 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That the tobacco industry has nothing to do with the
policies she supports. She insists the heated tobacco products have
quote a similar risk profile to vapes, and so she
wanted to see the excise tax on these products halved. Well,
what did the official advice say? R and Z got
their hand on the documents, and first of all, the

(00:20):
tax side, Philip Morris has had a monopoly on the market,
and so it was hardly surprising that Treasury pointed out
there was actually nothing that would make Philip Morris pass
on an excised tax cut to consume its The health side, well,
the Ministry of Health could find quote no compelling evidence
of the devices helping to stop smoking. So then in

(00:43):
order to justify such a move harving the tax, you
would think Casey Costello would have to have some really
compelling evidence that heated tobacco products were really effective as
a smoking cessation tool for people who weren't simply vaping instead,
Except she didn't. Her evidence included an opinion piece, an

(01:03):
article which says heated tobacco products might help smokers quit
but could also attract nonsmokers, an outdated study that doesn't
mention heated tobacco products, a study of snooze which isn't
a heated tobacco product, and an article talking about Japan
which doesn't have vaping and relied on data from Philip

(01:24):
Morris International and the Tobacco Institute of Japan. One of
who's founding members was you guessed it, Philip Morris International.
I mean, come on, calm on. I cannot recall a
time when such a poor standard of evidence has been
cited by a minister advocating for this kind of legislative change.

(01:48):
This isn't some rando backbenchure. This is a cabinet minister.
We all deserve better. Team two ninety two is the
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Speaker 2 (02:02):
Dot nz is my email address.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Right now, it's ten past four and Dunedin remains in
a state of emergency after seeing its wettest day in
more than a century, with twice the usual October rainfall
falling in just forty hours. The red weather warning for
North Otago, Dunedin and coastal parts of the Kluther region
is in place until eleven o'clock tonight. More than eighty
people were evacuated from their homes overnight and nearly forty

(02:26):
roads are currently closed. Emergency Management Minister Mark Mitchell headed
to Dunedin yesterday afternoon and is with us our Kyolder.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Good afternoon evening, Jack. What's the latest.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Well, I mean, they're still in a state of emergency.
The rain is still falling, but the look they've had
an outstanding response. They were proactive in terms of clearing drains,
checking waterways, doing all that they could to try and
make sure the water could actually escape. But the reality
of it is is that as the soil is so
sodden that it's got nowhere to go. And it's particularly
when you're looking at an area like South Dunedin, it's

(02:58):
very low lying. Obviously overnight there were some real issues
and with people self evacuating to evacuation centers that had
been set up.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
How's the response going so far?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
The response has been outstanding, from the mayors, the cees,
through the controllers, the entire team, the volunteers. I mean,
I was at Saint Clair's golf Club which they set
up as an evacuation center. A net and her team,
all volunteers turned out stretchers out there looking after families
as they came in. So you know, as kew, we

(03:31):
always seem to stand up and respond strongly when there's
a need, and that's exactly what's happened down to need
and as they're looking after each other.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah right, okay, just tell us what it's been like
to experience experience some of this over the last day
or so.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's always it's always tough, and I mean I get
on the ground immediately because there's only one way of
knowing really what is going on, and that's not sitting
in the office in Wellington that's actually been on the ground.
The other part, of course is I get to work
with the meyers and make sure that a central government
level we're surging any support that is required in you know,
obviously on policeman. So I'm very proud of the work

(04:07):
that all our first responders do. But the police have
been outstanding and I even got deployed myself. At about
one o'clock this morning. There was a young mum that
turned up at Saint Clair's Golf Club, one of the
evacuation centers, in her haste to get out with her
two little kids. She didn't have a milk bottle, and

(04:27):
so at one o'clock in the morning, I was tasked
to go and try and find a milk bottle and
need and get it up there, which we did. But
I guess it's just indicative the meal was out filling sandbags.
Everyone just gets in, the people that that I get
to see in the work that they do, the volunteers
that turn out, you know, the rural people looking after
their stock. I mean, the farmer has been hit very hard,

(04:49):
their us have got lambs at foot at the moment,
they're really getting knocked around. But everyone just sort of
gets in and helps each other.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Where'd you get the bottle?

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, we found we found a twenty four hours or
at the octagon that thankfully had that had two that
had two baby bottles.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
We managed to get sorted.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Pleased to hear it. So what's your biggest concern going forward?

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Well, I mean it's just we want to get through it.
The rain is still is still falling. I was talking
to Brian car Dagan, who's the mayor of Klutho. They've
just gone into a local state of emergency also primarily
because State High one is flooded. North of Milton, and
they just when you go into a local state of
emergency then gives the police the powers sort of additional

(05:34):
powers to keep people out of flood waters and keep
them safe. But you know, we just want to get
through the next few hours. The weather, the forecasting that's
been provided has been pretty accurate, so that's that's a
good sign because it is going to ease off later
on tonight. But everyone just needs wants to get there.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Have there been requests for additional funding or are you
expecting those in the coming days.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
No, there hasn't, but of course we're stand by support
any way that we can from a central government point
of view. The Prime Minister's was right across this. This
is my sixth local state of emergency since I've become
the minister. So we just have to accept as a
country we are going to be hit with these weather events.
The one thing that I would say, what I've observed

(06:19):
is that the mayor's counselors, councils, ces, the controllers and
everyone involved with emergency response has been outstanding everywhere that
I've been.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
When do you expect we will be at a point
when the worst of this has definitely passed.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I'd like to think it about midnight tonight. We still
had a high tide to go through, but I'd like
to think that the rain will start to ease off
and we'll see some better weather tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah right, Hey, thank you very much for your time.
We appreciate it and obviously are thinking of everyone who's
been affected by this incredible weather event. We're going to
keep you up to date with the very latest. We'll
be taking you to several defense after five o'clock as
well as that and talking to some of those who've
been worst affected in the area.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Thanks for your feedback. Jack.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I'm not a smoker, and I think smoking is the
worst thing in the world. But where was the same
energy focusing on labor and the Greens. They were meant
to make New Zealand smoke free by twenty twenty five.
Not defending anything about the last government, but they did
have some pretty radical plans. I think you'll remember that
they were planning on having a smoke free generation, so
that no one born after a certain year would be
able to smoke. But of course that was one of

(07:27):
the first things that was canceled by the new government.
Jack Christopher Luxon has to get rid of her. It's
obvious to everyone there was no evidence, and despite some
of the good work that National is doing, idiotic moves
like this destroy public trust in the government. I mean,
that is an interesting point. Christopher Luckxin is in a
very tricky position here because obviously Casey Costello is a

(07:49):
National MP, and he says he supports her for the
time being. But I mean, I think you can honestly
put the politics.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
To one side.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
If anyone, regardless of their politics, is in cabinet, surely
it is an expectation that they are making evidence based policies.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Surely that's like a really basic requirement.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
And I mean the evidence, the so called evidence that
has been put forward, it's just it is honestly unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Sixteen past four in news Doorg's EDB.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c
Allen Drive with One New Zealand one Jay of Leaf
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Speaker 1 (08:30):
And Jason Pine, the host of Weekends Sport on Saturday
and Sunday afternoons on news doorgs EDB as well it's
now killed a halo, Jack, So Dame Patsy Ready will
not seek re election to the New Zealand Rugby Board.
You're not terribly surprised, are you?

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Not? At all?

Speaker 6 (08:44):
No, she said that she would resign if the provincial
unions couldn't agree to a propose new independent board structure.
They didn't agree, they put in their own altered board structure.
After Dame Patsy had been right and behind the Pilkington
review back in May, there was the special general meeting
that was voted out and the provincial union's got their way,

(09:05):
and so Dame Patsy Ready has followed through with what
she said. So yeah, I don't think it's any real surprise.
I guess what we go to from here now is
what is the structure of this new board, Who's going
to be on it, who's going to select who's on it?
When will it be in place. I don't think we've
got anywhere near enough time to go through all of
those things, Jack, But I do know that it'll be
late in the year when the board is confirmed. So

(09:27):
as we go to Christmas, we should have the new
board in place.

Speaker 7 (09:29):
Yees.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
So I mean she obviously over the last you know,
a couple of years, has had has had a pretty
difficult time trying to get consensus across the various different stakeholders.
Do you think that's it for her or do you
think that's the reason she's going? Yeah, yeah, I think
so bad.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
And then as you say that, Jack, I wonder whether
that consensus will be able to be reached by the
next chair, whoever that might be. And look, you want
to think the best, right and I do. I totally
understand what the provincial unions are all about. We spoke
a lot about this during the year, in great detail
from both sides, and spoke to a lot of people
about it on weekend sport and other shows, you know,

(10:10):
into the news shows as well. I just really hope
that there's light at the end of the tunnel, a
new board can get put in place, and then we
could start start moving forward a little bit.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
That's I think what we probably all hope for this
game event.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, yeah, I think so too. So James O'Connor has
signed with the Crusaders. Yeah, I don't know how I
feel about this. I'm not a Crusaders fan. I've got
no skin in this game. How do you feel about it.
I feel a bit weird, to be honest, but I
do think this is the it's kind of emblematic of
modern rugby. You know, rugby's actually been a bit of
a laggard when it comes to the kind of trading
between teams that we see and other sports and other leagues. Right,

(10:44):
so it wouldn't be at all strange, for example, to
have a French striker in an English Premier League team,
but it is still a bit weird to have an
Australian playmaker in a New Zealand rugby team.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
I also look at the first five situation at the Crusaders,
and you know, all the Mailers that Richim Anger will
come back mid next year, so he'll miss one more
Super Rugby season and maybe James O'Connor's just a placeholder. Remember,
of course, Jack, that the Crusaders, we know they missed
the playoffs and the season just gone. They used five
different starting first fives, five different ones across their fourteen games.

(11:17):
And look, we all know that you need a decent
first five, the consistent first five, somebod who's going to
run you around the paddock.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
You know, they Scott.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
Robinson even you know, tried to get and Ropenny's here
and say hey, give David HARVILLI you go there, which
he did for a couple of games that didn't work.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Fergus Burk's gone overseas. Now we know that.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
So yeah, maybe James O'Connor comes in and for a season,
just you know, maybe he helps the Crusaders recover and
they might finish eight.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Easy, easy, finally see I've almost moved on. I'd almost
moved on, and then I, oh, he's had it. I mean,
is there a team he hasn't played for now? Connor
played in basically every league in the world. He's had, Yeah,
more clubs than Ryan Fox. You might say he's been around,
but I guess that brings experience with it. He still
looks quite young, doesn't he. Even though he's thirty four,

(12:05):
that is young. But he looks about eighteen.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
I'm looking at a picture of him right now, so
obviously he stayed young at heart. He might still add something,
you know, it's a good storyline. Yeah, we'll see where
it goes. Yeah, very good, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Thanks Jason Pine help me with us this weekend On
Weekend Sport from midday Tomorrow and Sunday on news Talk ZDB.
Thank you very much for your feedback. Jack, you called
Casey Costello a national MP. Sorry, there was just a
slip of the tongue. I'm well aware that she's in
New Zealand first MP, which could explain why the Prime
Minister is in a bit of a tricky position when
it comes to Casey Costello in his cabinet. Jack, people

(12:39):
should be able to make their own choices. Resmoking legislation
and banning does not work well. It's been pretty effective
over the last twenty years if you look at our
smoking rates. I think that the combination of the tax
changes in various legislative efforts have been extremely effective.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
But nonetheless, thank you for that, Jack.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
I think Casey Costello should be ashamed trying to ban
FLUS with all of this. Come on, I mean, the
evidence is absolutely ridiculous. She's probably not even a little
bit embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
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Speaker 1 (13:06):
If you've got thoughts on this jacket Newstalks headb dot
co dot NZED it's twenty four past four.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
Hard questions, Strong opinion, Jack Dame on, Heather Duplicy, Alan Drive,
who is one New Zealand let's get connected news talk said.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Be Jack, why do you care about smoking? Why do
I care about smoking? Well, I mean, obviously is the
sort of thing that costs our health system. And you
might say, well, the excise tax that we get in
from smoking more than covers it. But I still think
it'd be great if we had few in New Zealanders
dying unnecessary early debts. But this isn't even necessarily about smoking,

(13:41):
is it. It's actually it's actually about this heated tobacco products. Anyway,
I'll get to more of your feedback after four thirty.
As well as that we're going to take you to
the US. Interesting comments from Donald Trump on the stump
today responding to Hurricane Helene in the US, very much
criticizing the Biden Harris response, or is he called that
the Harris's response, the Kamala Harris's response. More than two

(14:02):
hundred people have now died as a result of Hurricane Helene,
which is extraordinary. I mean, it really was an incredible storm,
but still more than two hundred people despite all of
the warnings.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's pretty concerning.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
As well as that, oh, this is one to make
all of us, even older millennials feel old eminem the
real slim shady has just become a grandad doulp.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
News is next. It's almost four thirty with jectame on Newstalks.

Speaker 9 (14:28):
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Speaker 10 (14:32):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
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Speaker 10 (14:40):
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Speaker 9 (14:42):
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Speaker 2 (14:56):
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Speaker 1 (15:01):
After five o'clock, we're going to take a close to
look at the governments announcement today regarding school buildings.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
This is really interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
This is actually one of those things where I think
people right across the sector have been calling out for
change for some time. Basically, the release of report into
school buildings shows that only about a third of the
school buildings that have been planned by the Ministry of
Education so far have actually been fully funded, which leaves
all the others in the lurch. Anyway, the government says
they're going to act and set up a new entity
that is going to manage school building development and maintenance

(15:28):
going into the future. This would be separate to the
Ministry of Education. They're looking at things like standardization we're
appropriate for school buildings and that kind of thing to
try and bring the costs down. I'll tell you more
very shortly. Right now, it's twenty four to five, it's.

Speaker 10 (15:41):
The world wires on news dogs.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
It'd be drive and Israel has continued its strikes in Lebanon.

Speaker 12 (15:48):
The Israeli Air Force has continued its aerial campaign targeting
what it says is has buller capabilities in southern Lebanon. Today,
three large consecutive explosions were heard in Southern Bay Route.
Sky's Data and Forensics unit has verified the locations of
two of those strikes, including an s strike to an

(16:08):
apartment bloc in Daria in Southern Bay Route.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
To the US where former Republican Representative Liz Cheney has
thrown her weight behind Kamala Harris.

Speaker 13 (16:17):
I tell you I have never voted for a Democrat,
but this year I am proudly casting my vote for
Vice President Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Liz Channey went on to explain why.

Speaker 13 (16:32):
A former president who attempted to stay in power by
unraveling the foundations of our republic in this election. Putting
patriotism ahead of partisanship is not an aspiration, it is
our duty.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Trump has been speaking in Michigan today where he's attacked
the Hurricane Helene response.

Speaker 8 (16:53):
They have no idea what the hell they're doing. We
had the best four years with hurricanes.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
We took care of.

Speaker 9 (17:00):
People like and I was on the phone.

Speaker 8 (17:03):
I was screaming at people.

Speaker 9 (17:05):
They hate my guts.

Speaker 8 (17:06):
To this day, they write books about me.

Speaker 14 (17:08):
I'm the worst human being there've ever but they got
the job done.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Trump also responded to news that Milania Trump is supporting
abortion rights, and.

Speaker 14 (17:17):
I said, you have to write what you believe. I'm
not going to tell you what to do. You have
to write what you believe. She's very beloved. People love
our former first lady. I can tell you that.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
And finally your ATENSI and flee. I have you please?

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Ohlia, what a jam? Slim Shady is about to become
a grandfather. The fifty one year old Yes, let that
sink in. The fifty one year old Eminem has revealed
the news in a music video which is dedicated to
his daughter, Hayley Jade. The twenty eight year old also
later confirmed her pregnancy in an Instagram post see what.

Speaker 10 (17:59):
I think you did?

Speaker 5 (18:00):
And then international correspondence with ends an eye insurance feace
of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
The US corresponding Ms. McCann is what us now, Kyoda?

Speaker 15 (18:11):
Good afternoon, Jack.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
So, more than two.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Hundred people are now known to have died as a
result of Hurricane Helene, and up to one thousand active
duty soldiers are going to be joining the North Carolina
National Guard.

Speaker 15 (18:23):
Yeah, this is still a developing situation, Jack. Joe Biden,
the President, actually traveled to Florida today and Georgia to
surveying the damage from Hurricane Helene, a major disaster in
which you said two hundred and fifteen people have now died.
Helene is the second deadliest hurricane to hit the US
mainland in fifty years, after Hurricane Katrina, and the scenes
of devastation, particularly in places like North Carolina, are horrendous,

(18:46):
Joe binding acknowledged. In his words, he said, it was
a situation where residents have been through hell. Right now,
hundreds of people are still missing and many still remain
without power.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, I mean, obviously this is a humanitarian crist but
there is political risk with all of this as well,
with an election so close.

Speaker 15 (19:04):
Yeah, that's very much the case. Both presidential candidates Kamala
Harris and Donald Trump have been in these states in
the last couple of days, and Donald Trump has actually
seized on this for political gain. He posted on social media, Jack,
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are universally being given poor
grades for the way they are handling the hurricane, especially

(19:24):
in North Carolina. However, there has been bipartisan support actually
for the way Joe Biden has handled this, with many
Republican governors praising him. Speaking of the campaign trail, Milania
Trump has signaled her support for abortion access.

Speaker 7 (19:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Very interesting.

Speaker 15 (19:41):
Donald Trump boasted about his role in overturning Roe v. Way,
that is, the women's constitutional right here in the US
to an abortion. He's been calling it a miracle in
previous months, but recently he's been dodging questions over abortion,
frequently referring to it as an issue for the states,
not the federal government. However, it seems that maybe at odds,

(20:02):
who has viewsed generally on abortion with his wife Milania
after The Guardian published a paragraph from her new book,
which is about to come out. Millennia Trumps is restricting
a woman's right to choose whether to terminate an unwonted
pregnancy is the same as denying her control over her
own body. So it might be some interesting conversations in
the trub household.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Meanwhile, CNN has reached out to Millennia Trump's book publisher
to try and get an interview. Obviously, CNN and the
Trump campaign usually pretty antagonistic.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Towards each other, and they got an interesting response.

Speaker 15 (20:34):
They certainly did. They said they've been talking for weeks
or CNN said that they've been talking for weeks about
an interview with Millenia Trump, and then they revealed that
last week the publisher sent them an agreement to sign
that said CNN shall pay a licensing fee of two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. That's a very expensive interview
jack for days later, when CNN followed up looking to

(20:55):
do a potential story on this, they said, neither Millennia
nor anyone from her team any thing about this, and
the document was sent. It was an internal miscommunication, so
a bit of a back down there.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
All right, Hey, thanks for that, Mitch. We appreciate it that,
as US corresponded, Mitch McCann, just see, you know. When
it comes to the situation in Lebanon. M Fatters said
that overnight thirteen New Zealanders were able to leave on
charter and commercial flights. They say they're in contact with
those who remain and at this stage almost all of
them want to stay in Lebanon. Their advice to New
Zealanders hasn't changed. They don't want key he's going to Lebanon,

(21:29):
Israel or Iran. If you're there, they say you should
leave now. New Zealanders should register on Safe travel. It
is very tricky geographically, of course, because I mean Beirut
is sort of in the middle of Lebanon on the coast,
but the southern border with Israel is completely closed and
with the goal on height, it's completely closed. Syria is

(21:50):
the other shares the other border with Lebanon as well.
I've flown into that airport a few times, or I've
flown into that airport in Beirut before, and a lot
of these strikes in Israel overnight, we're pretty close to
the international airport. So for those who are lucky enough
to get flights. It is still an extremely hair raising
experience flying out of that international airport. Right now, we'll

(22:11):
tell you a bit more about that after five point
thirty tonight.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Right now it's eighteen to five.

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Speaker 1 (22:28):
So a big school property announcement today from the government.
The management, the development, the maintenance of school properties is
no longer going to be the responsibility of the Ministry
of Education.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah. So this sort of built on the announcement earlier
in the year that the school property pipelines billions of
dollars of money is spent on building new classrooms and
upgrading existing ones. That the government got into office and
found that those classrooms were not on budget, were not
on schedules, So they commissioned to review former former Foreign Minister,

(23:01):
former long standing nationally and Pe Murray McCully read that,
read that review, and he's concluded that the Ministry of
Education is not best placed to manage school property and
and has recommended it a separate agency be created. That
the structure of this is sort of up in the
year at the moment, could be se schedule for Crown
Company or whatever. Anything from Kying or tv Z could

(23:24):
be the template. So but but that that that will
then manage the school properly and not the school properly
builded and not the Ministry of Education, which which he
has concluded is probably the best method for ensuring it
stays on time and on budget.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, I mean it sounds quite reasonable, does it not?

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yes? Today, I mean and it does sound quite reasonable.
I must say I wasn't actually aware that the school
that the Ministry of Education had been doing such a
tough job, a poor job, until until the government sort
of blew the whistle on it on coming into office.
Eric Stanford today. Actually interestingly enough that the Ministry Education
has started to proactively look into this before the change

(24:02):
of government. So it looks like there was a sort
of almost something something approaching a consensus that that there
was a problem a problem there. That does seem reasonable.
I think overseas in the health space, it's not uncommon
for the management of health assets to be split out
into syburgencies. I think that's what's done in some states
in Australia. Makes sense that these are some of the

(24:23):
largest property developers in the country. You know that the
school property estate is massive, and perhaps it's not best
placed within the Ministry of Education, which is sort of
the agency that oversees what happens in classrooms run the
building for them.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, I mean, I've just just go through some of
the details in the report.

Speaker 7 (24:38):
I mean some.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Forecast suggests that the cost of building a new classroom
could be learn to about one point eight million dollars
for a single classroom within a few years. I mean
that is just not that's not going to be sustainable, clearly.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
No, certainly not. I think there is something like half
a million students that go through primary and secondary school
at the moment. You can't. Yeah, I mean that's sort
of a related piece about why it got so much
to build anything in this country. But christ Bishop and
Eric Stanford, the two ministers in charge of this, were
out the modular construction facility in the Hut today and

(25:14):
they were sort of saying part of this would be
would be moving towards modular construction, which sounds like the
government is doing and actually to be feared. The last
government they were looking at that as well, and that
would bring the build down to a few hundred thousand dollars,
which seems much more reasonable. It just means building to
more of the template. But I mean, that doesn't seem
like a terrible departure from our history.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
You know.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
I think when I went to primary school, I studied
in the classroom that looks basically like every other classroom
in New Zealand. There seems to be a template for
some time there, but perhaps whatever reason, we moved away
from it in the last one or so years.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Did you have the old radiators, Yes, I did.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Then then the sound they made in the morning, Yeah,
that I associate that with winter, the sound of those
radiators them on so late. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I just have these memories of like getting into class
early so that I could try and get a seat
next to the window and cut up next to radiator,
and then putting my hand on the radiator and realizing
that there was warm chewing gum and.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Just yes, yeah, yes, I can actually feel that, I
can viscerally remember the very same sensation. Yes.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Now, speaking of building things more efficiently and hopefully more cheaply.
Another big announcement from the government about underwrite underwriting housing developers.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Yeah, this is an interesting one. One of the problems
that we had, you know, one of the one of
the causes we think of the housing crisis was that
during the financial crisis, developers, which which you know that
the the the cork bobbing on top of the ocean
that is the economy. Uh, they really took a bath
during the financial crisis and completely destroyed the property sort

(26:51):
of development industry and a lot of that skilled labor
just left to Australia and that meant that when the
economy turned around, it took so long for developers to
follow suit, and we never took many many years to
recover that development capacity to actually build the houses that
we were that we needed. So we were we were

(27:12):
developing houses much with a massive leg on where the
population was was going. Labor looked at that with the
Kiwi Bill program and then another underwrite program, but that
was meant to ensure that when the economy eventually hit
the skids, as it does from time to time, the
government would step in and underwrite a whole lot of
developments to ensure that the development industry and the labor

(27:34):
associated where it stayed in the country and didn't go
to Australia, and that we continued building houses because you know,
Lord knows we need them. National criticized that a lot
of opposition has come into office and and you know,
developers are once again hitting the skids because we're in
a high interest rate environment. No one wants to lend
money to a property developer at the moment, so they've

(27:55):
borrowed the same policy and it basically means that the government,
you know, the government might actually spending of this money.
It might not, it might not actually end up having
the developers might not need to end up calling on
the underwrite. But because the underwrite is there, it means
that they can go and knock on the door of
a bank and say, hey, look, the government's agreed to
buy a certain portion of these houses in this development.

(28:16):
If the development is unable to sell them, can you
lean us money? And because of that underwrite, the bank's
much more likely to use. So it's it's something that
both sides of the house I think has has merit.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, is it the sort of thing that's going to
have a significant uptake because it only applies to developments
more than thirty houses, right that.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
It is right? And I asked on christ Bishop today
about how much money has been set aside for it's
only one hundred and thirty million dollars from one of
the pots of money. There's another pot of money which
that they haven't specified how much is in that the
k WE built side of things, because the KII built
side is still wrapping up some of the key build underwrights. Yeah,
so there's a bit of a handing of the passing
of the boton here from one underwrite scheme to another.

(28:55):
But no, I think it is quite limited. So that
will be the real the you'll test of it. Of course,
I imagine if if a lot of it gets called
on and it shows that there is merit to the
merrit to the proposal, the government might appropriate more money
for it. But of course you know that that that's
a real sort of political challenge because then you really

(29:16):
are borrowing hundreds of millions of dollars and handing it
to properly developers. On the other side, the government then
sells the houses, so you know there's a deal.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, the sense I get looking at the look at
looking at things from the outside. You know, when you
combine measures like this alongside the planning changes and the
incentives that Housing Minister Chris Bishop is trying to put
and he's really pulling a whole range of different leads
to try and speed up the housing supply.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yes, yes he is. And it's the irony is that
a lot of the leaders were labor leader leaders. The
housing supply stuff was you know, there's a lot of
labor stuff in there too, and this underwrite stuff is also,
you know, has some bipartisan support. I think that that
actually shows there's a lot of well, it gives Chris
a lot of cover because obviously labor with cub build

(30:04):
and although you know, a cube build a massive problems
which we don't need to religate, but but La Labor
got into a lot of political trouble with some of
these things. Now there is a bit of a bipartisans
there's a there's a there's a cover there. Although it
is quite challenging with you know, the government trying to
at once make housing more affordable and therefore cheaper, but

(30:24):
at the same time trying to encourage people to enter
the market and to actually buy these houses. You know,
you tend not to buy something if you know that
the value of it it's not it's not going to sustain. Yeah,
there's challenges. It's one of the reasons why this is
such a vexed issue.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, hey, thanks Thomas. I appreciate as ever there is.
New Zealand Herald Deputy Political Editor, Thomas Coglan, thank you
very much for your feedback.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Good news.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Can you just take me to say, Jack, those radiators
are still there. That's fantastic, six to five, straight.

Speaker 7 (30:57):
Talk, sharp inside and communicating with the community through social
media and other channels.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Off the back of those self evacuations, how long are
you expecting people will remain unable to return to their homes.

Speaker 7 (31:12):
Look, that's probably a question for the coming days. We
really do need the rain to stop. We need the
ability to really get in and assess the damage once
things things dry up. So it's probably not something I
can answer today, right.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
But it's likely, for example, that those people who've self
evacuated over the last twenty four hours won't be returning
to their homes tonight.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
Look if those addresses are underwater, Yeah, that's entirely the case.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, what areas have been worse so far.

Speaker 7 (31:39):
Look, certainly areas of South Dunedin, areas within Cluther as well,
any of those low lying areas have been significantly impacted.
We've got areas particularly around Via the Peninsula and Dunedin
as well with slips that have caused some significant disruptions
to the community there.

Speaker 15 (31:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Have you been pleased with the government response so far?

Speaker 7 (32:02):
Look, it's been excellent, it's been really responsive. So yes,
very happy with that.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
What's concerning you most for the time being.

Speaker 7 (32:10):
Look, as we said, we've got some peak rain to
come through. We're monitoring to collect the river closely at
the moment, particularly as it relates to bell Kluther. We're
expecting peak throws for the river to come through at
between sort of two am to eight am tomorrow morning.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
And is it likely that.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Even once the rain stops, the slips and damage to
roads is going to hamper your recovery efforts.

Speaker 7 (32:35):
Yes, Look, this is significant efforts needed. Just for your information,
the State Highway One, both north and south of the
need And will remain closed overnight and we'll be looking
at reassessing that within the TA this thing in the morning.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
All right, give us the other safety messages for anyone
in the affected region.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
What do you need them to do overnight?

Speaker 7 (32:56):
Look, if there's a road closer sign up, please please
here to it. We're getting a lot of reports of
people taking risks driving through closures. You're just creating additional
additional headaches for response staff who need to focus their
efforts elsewhere. So please, if you see a road closure sign,
adhere to it and stop your travel wherever wherever that

(33:19):
sign is. Please be vigilant, keep yourself safe, check on
your neighbors, look after each other. If you do feel threatened,
or if you feel like water is coming in your direction. Again,
don't wait to be told, make the decision and move.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Sorry, Matt, just very quickly, you said that you're getting
a lot of reports of people ignoring those road close
signs at the moment.

Speaker 7 (33:39):
Yes, that's a real issue for us at the moment.
We've had reports from the emergency services both in Dunedin
and belk Luther with with the amount of road closures
we've got and people not adhering to those signs. So
please really do a pleat motoris out there that if
you see the signs up, just stop your travel there,
turn around to where it to you've sort of you

(34:01):
started your travel and just wait for those roads to
open when they open.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
All right, thanks for your time, Matt, good luck tonight.
That is the Emergency Management Group Controller for Otago, Matt
Ally Jack dam Well. The government has announced a new
support system for the residential construction market doing it tough
in the current economic climate. So the government's going to
step in an underwrite construction on private homes, enabling large
developers so with homes of more developments of more than

(34:26):
thirty homes to access the finance needed to deliver houses
on time. David Whitburn's a professional property developer and investor
enders with us this evening.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Hi, David killer Jack, what do you think of this idea?

Speaker 16 (34:39):
I think it's a good idea. It is a little
bit of tinkering with an existing scheme that we've had
from the previous government. But the reality is there are
a lot of construction workers that are doing it tough
at the moment, some said be going overseas, particularly to Australia.
So it's a good idea to make sure that the
housing demand is smoothed out and not so cyclical a nature.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
How's it you're going to work.

Speaker 16 (35:02):
We need to get a little bit more detailed virtually
from the government to do it, because I can see
that it seems to apply peraps to a luxury housing
development in Wahiki Island or in perhaps the Queenstown Lakes
district for three million dollars. So I'd like to know
if there's a price cap or not. Right now there
doesn't seem to be. But in principle and underwrite works
whereby you go up to market typically to attain construction funds,

(35:25):
and you need to get a certain level of presales
to give the lenders confidence in your project. So the
underwrights there if you don't get those sales, so then
you're able to go ahead with confidence because they will
go to the underwriter in this case the government if
the sales don't come through. So the idea is to
get qualified developers that know what they're doing, not the

(35:48):
devail types. So there will have to be a little
bit of a watch on that and to make sure
that there are areas of relevance because we did have
some challenges with can we build building sort of around
like how we are too far away from where the infrastructure,
where the population and employment sources were.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
So what difference will this make to developers?

Speaker 16 (36:08):
It means that I am my colleagues will actually be
able to go ahead with projects because we need to
give the lenders confidence that their loans will be repaid.
In the market where often the new builds have come
sort of fifteen percent sometimes more off the boil from
the twenty twenty two highs, we're able to actually get
the hardest thing done, get that get those pre sells,

(36:30):
so it gives us instead of getting those pre cells,
we use the underwrite, so there's some real value. It
gives financial certainty that the project's ready to go.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, so I think the government at the stage is
the first sum of money that has been put aside
for this is I think just under two hundred million dollars.
So what kind of difference would a some like that
make in terms of developments in the context of New
Zealand's housing shortage.

Speaker 16 (36:56):
Absolutely it'll make us small the internet. The last I
completed just before Christmas was seventy four terist houses in
west Auckland, and that was around fifty million dollars sold.
Four of them were about three, so about three hundred,
so two hundred million would cover just four of them,
so that's three hundred houses that are sort of two

(37:18):
three bedrooms predominantly. So that's just that's a little bit
of a concern because is the underwriter ninety percent ninety
five percent of the true value? It shouldn't really be
at one hundred percent because then the taxpayers taking all
the risk for me making that private profit if I
was to know it on the commercial source, and that's
very rare to do, so it's more typically in the

(37:39):
seventy to eighty percent range the underwrite and there is
a fee that itsts for that. So government underwrights tend
to be a little bit on the generous side. So
it does need to be some commercial acumen and the
right people in place to actually best assess that to
protect the taxpayers. So I do have some concerns in
that area.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like you said, the detail is going
to be critical here. Thanks David Dave Whipman, who's a
professional property developer and investor. And just to be totally clear,
the government says that there is going to be another
source of money as well, So we're still waiting on
all of the information on that. After six o'clock on
Newstalk's EDB remarkable positioning from Google at the moment as

(38:17):
it's negotiating over the future of media laws in New Zealand.
So it's effectively threatening to blow up some of its
New Zealand news agreements that are currently in place and
then remove any ability for Google users to find local
news on its search engine, which would be extraordinary.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
So anyway, we're going to tell you a little bit
more about why Google is taking that position and could
what it could mean for the future of news in
New Zealand very shortly. Right now, it is sixteen past
five on Newstalks EDB. Newstalk's EDB eighteen minutes past five.
Big news out of New Zealand Rugby today. So Dame
Patsy Ready, the chair of New Zealand Rugby, has announced
he's not going to be seeking reappointment to the board.

(38:54):
We're going to tell you a bit more about that
before six o'clock. Obviously, New Zealand Rugby has had a
lot of debate its governance structure, the division with some
of the provincial unions, or disputes between some of the
provincial unions as well. So anyway, we will take a
close look at what it's going to mean for the
future of New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Rugby very soon.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Right now though nineteen past five on newstalk s he'd
b and Ryan Air has caused a bit of a
stir in the UK. So from May next year passengers
are going to need to check in by smartphone. Only
that means they're no longer going to be able to
physically check in at a counter at the airport and
get that little piece of paper. Currently sixty percent of

(39:32):
their customers check in online, but those who don't face
a charge of about ninety seven New Zealand dollars. Surely
that's not right. That seems too expensive anyway. Is this
the beginning of the future, at the beginning of the
end for the in person check ins for all passengers?
Irene King Aviation commentators with us this evening, Kilder Irene,

(39:52):
what do you make of this move?

Speaker 17 (39:55):
Well, I think you summed it up as the future
and really, as a customer or want to do is
get on an aircraft and you know, I don't want
to be intercepted by having to check and you know,
drop your bags all of that sort of stuff. You
just want to really turn up and get on board
and go. So I think, you know, Ryan here, it's

(40:16):
always been pretty cutting each and on's doing. And if
you look at it, it's very sensible for that company.
I mean, if you've got to have a person to
person encounter, it's going to cost you a lot more money,
ye yourself.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I mean, surely it's more convenient. I just I mean
I have to travel. It's just way more convenient to
checking online, isn't it?

Speaker 17 (40:39):
Absolutely? Absolutely? And you know to carry your phone with
you also, your phone have tracking devices and they can
see where you are in the terminal and you know,
particularly if you're running late for a flight, they can
you know, sush you along.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah, I mean certainly they've been going this way for
some time. I just cannot believe there are people who
are prepared to pay ninety seven dollars to check it
in person.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Well yeah, I mean that's how they get you though,
That's how they get you, Irene.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
You know they do that and then there's the extra
excess bad thing. And then this is how Ryaney makes
their money, right yep.

Speaker 17 (41:13):
Yeah, you know it's called sort of byproduct pricing in Ryane.
That's how they make the money.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Absolutely totally.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I mean, the big question is what it'll mean for
people who don't have smartphones, people who aren't quite so
digitally capable, maybe some older passengers who don't feel quite
comfortable checking in. What's going to mean for those passengers.

Speaker 17 (41:31):
Yeah, well you've got a choice, Thank goodness. You know,
you can go with somebody else other than Ryannie. You know,
I think that they will be a bit of nervousness,
But do it the first time, do it the second
time and you'll be sweet good to go.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, very good, Thanks for your time. We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
That as Irene King, aviation commentator. Right now, it's twenty
one past five.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
The day's newsweakers talk to Jack first, Jack dame on
here the duplessy Eland drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and use talk.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
As said be, I think it's been inevitable for months
now that the Ministry of Education would lose responsibility for
building and maintaining schools, and at first glance, the government's
onto a winner with its alternative plan. So the review
into the state of school facilities shows only a third
of the almost five hundred building projects in the Ministry

(42:22):
of Education Q have been fully funded and concludes that
the average cost of a new classroom could rise to
one point eight million dollars over the next few years.
That's not a classroom block, that's a single classroom. One
point eight million dollars. That is unsustainable, says the report,
quote unquote, And if indeed that price is accurate, you

(42:43):
would have to be I think crazy to disagree. One
point eight million is fascical. Now, obviously, not every school
is the same. There are different environmental, geological, topographical challenges
that distinguish different locations. And no one is expecting a
one hundred percent standardized building model for every single classroom

(43:04):
across the country. But a greater degree of standardization makes sense,
of course it does, and more than anything, a new
system might allow for that most important quality, transparency. See
At the moment, it is not always clear why some
school builds are prioritized over others. Schools are pushed up
and down the list at the mercy of political and

(43:27):
whatever other whims, and that can't continue. Schools and school
communities need clarity, They need certainty in any system that
can provide that while improving our classroom stock and improving
the learning environments for our kids has got to be
a good thing. Jack j ninety two ninety two is
our text number. If you want to send me a message,
you can email me as well. Jacket, newstalk s headb

(43:48):
dot co dot Nz. Jack regarding the government's plan to
underwrite some property development. I'm trying to sell my property.
Is the government I e us also going to give
me backing if I can't find a buyer, Jack regarding
the plans with Ryan. If you're traveling with kids, you've
got extra car seats, et cetera, then it is often
not straightforward checking in at the kiosks or checking in online.

(44:10):
It can't does certainly get fiddley the moment you involve
kids with anything when it comes to travel, Jack, I
think that model will only work for low cost point
to point carriers like ryanire so carriers that don't have
connections that follow once you reach a first destination. It
would be an absolute nightmare with no check on an
airline staff if anything went wrong and then you had
complex itineries where people needed.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
To change things.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, that's a pretty fair point, to be honest, though,
I just can't believe that anyone would be paying fifty
five pound ninety seven New Zealand dollars in order to
check in in person as it stands. But anyway, before
six o'clock we'll take a close look at Dame Pats.
You're ready announcing she's not going to stand for chair
of New Zealand Rugby's board. Plus the sports huddle will

(44:51):
be in to look at the weekend ahead. It's five
point thirty. You with Jack Tame on News doorgs d.

Speaker 10 (44:57):
The name you trust to get the answers you need?

Speaker 5 (45:00):
Jack tam On, Heather Dupless Allen drive with one New Zealand.
Let's get connected a news talk as said be remember
we were trying driving in your car speeds for fast
Feller drum. Seriously, I'm force in your arm fell and
trap around.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
My news talks be you are, Jack Tame.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
We've got the sports huddle coming up before six o'clock
will take a closer look at the allegations leveled against
former Wallabies coach Michael Checker. So he's facing a band
after a doctor said he was passive aggressive and the
doctor said that he was left shaken after Michael Checker
made quote intense eye contact with him. Yeah, So anyway

(45:44):
we'll tell you a little bit more that situation before
six o'clock.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Right now, it's twenty five to six.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Jack Team, and big news today from New Zealand Rugby
board cheer Dame Patsy Reddy has announced you will not
be seeking reappointment to the ends at our board, said
to because system with her stance on the government the
governance reform which made headlines earlier this year. So stakeholders
are currently implementing a new governance framework and appointment process.
Dame Fara Palmer is inza's deputy chair and is with

(46:13):
us this evening, Kelda, good evening. So why is Dame
Petsy ready not going to stand for reappointment.

Speaker 18 (46:21):
I think for her it was you know, it was
a difficult decision to make, but I think she made
the right decision in terms of doing what's best for
New Zealand Rugby, and that's stepping aside of the chair
so that this governance review can happen in a way
that is perceived to be clear of any bias or
any any precanci ideas about who potentially will be putting

(46:43):
their names force for the appointment's remuneration panel and also
for the board. So yeah, we were going to miss
her strong leadership, but I think she's shined some strong
leadership by stepping aside and allowing this process to continue
and still playing a key role in that.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah, I appreciate you talking about perceptions of neutrality there,
So what would her staying on in that role mean
for those perceptions of neutrality.

Speaker 18 (47:10):
I think for her it was just trying to say,
you know, we're in the process at the moment. It's
been a long process and you know this govern interview
happened quite a while ago, and everyone knows that there's
been some challenges along the way. But I think for
Dame Patsy, it was doing what was right for the process.
And we are going to be part of our working
groups for the New Zealand Rugby Board, so myself, our President,

(47:34):
Matthew Cooper, and Dame Patsy and we'll decide who our
board representative will be on this appointment panel and will
also assist with the stuff called a panel in terms
of how can we put a really good appointment panel
together so that we can ensure that we'll have a
great board going forward.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Do you think she's been well supported during her time
as board chair?

Speaker 18 (48:00):
So I think she's had some challenges. You know, this
is the biggest significant transformation for rugby governance in many years.
You know, it's the first time we're actually advocating for
a fully independent board. So yeah, she has been challenged
along the way, but you know, she's a strong person.
She's you know, she's a businesswoman, she's a lawyer, she's

(48:21):
a student, she's been the governor general. So she has
demonstrated really strong, value driven leadership and I think she's
been great met with that and she will be missed.
You know, it's been great having a working there in
a leadership role, and she's been a great role model
for many women in rugby and in sport and in

(48:41):
leadership in general. And she has stuck to her values.

Speaker 13 (48:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Do you think if throughout that kind of dispute process
for one of a better term, if that hadn't shaken
out as it did, that she might have reapplied for another.

Speaker 18 (48:57):
Term Like many of us, she keeps her CASCO through chest,
So I think that might be a question to answer.
But you know, what I have appreciated is that she
has been consistent throughout this whole process. She's been great
for the stuff at New Zealand Rugby have already indicated

(49:17):
that they really appreciated her leadership and so have we
at the board. But this is just a really challenging
environment at the moment because it is a big change
and I think she's stepping aside so that it's a
seed to be of more independent process is the best
thing to do. And you know, and I'm sure she
knows her rugby, I'll tell you that much. So she's

(49:39):
pretty passionate about it and she's been a representative on
the instre Commercial or Board as well as indeed are board.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
How is the rugby community at large do you think
feeling about the new framework?

Speaker 18 (49:54):
Well, I think, you know, we had a few speed
bumps along the way were you're a little bit rocky,
but I fe we've come together. You know, we've managed
the Stakeholder Panel, who's done a great job. They were
a governance advisory panel, so they're looking to change their
name to the Stakeholder Panel and they've come together, you know,
and I think that had been excellent as well, getting
the Players Association, the Super Rugby clubs, the provincial unions

(50:17):
and the mighty Rugby Board together. That wasn't an easy task.
And I think now that that feels like it's in
a good place. I think we're back on track.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Am I right in thinking that you're not sticking around
for another term as well?

Speaker 18 (50:30):
No, I decided to sit down, and that was quite
early in the piece. I decided that it's been eight
years that I've been on the board and I have
seen quite a few reviews in that eight years, and
me and my children are kind of like indicating that
they'd like me to hang around a little bit more.

(50:50):
And I feel like it's time for a new fish ideas,
new perspective, and I know that you know they're and
I'm really proud of what we've achieved in women's rugby
and a Mighty Rugby and what them to really transform
that be. So I think it's fine for so much
to come and to give it some fish unity.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Tan Arkwa, thank you very much for your time. We
appreciate That's Dame Farapama, the Deputy Cheer of the ins
of our Board.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
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Speaker 9 (51:28):
Shout Out Final Whistle and England have won the tiny
Jamerson Trophy.

Speaker 7 (51:35):
Sometimes when Labs gets things get heated and you just
deal with it and then you move on.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
You can't like look at stuff too much and over analyze.

Speaker 19 (51:41):
It was what it was and happened and tomorrow, and
that's that.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
You know, these games are what you make of it.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
You know that they're a fun time and you know
we've got to.

Speaker 19 (51:47):
Get after it.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
We've got a big squad and obviously we brought.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Our development plays over here and we've got some other
guys joining us, so it's just a good chance to
hang out and play some more Hoopesing up and on
the sports uttle this evening.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
The host of Sports Talk from seven o'clock tonight, Darcy
Walter Grave is in the house.

Speaker 8 (52:07):
Well, here we are again.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Gold Sport rugby commentator Paul Allison is here as well.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Killed. So I did start off with Dame Patsy, really,
Darcy surprised now.

Speaker 9 (52:18):
She said she would leave if she put an ultimatum
ount So if this doesn't go the way I wanted
to do all the way I believe it's best for
New Zealand rugby, I'm leaving.

Speaker 7 (52:28):
So I say on you.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, I also think that she's probably had.

Speaker 9 (52:32):
Enough of dealing with the rugby union.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
This is the question I didn't ask, which is just
how much of a punish is it?

Speaker 7 (52:39):
A being.

Speaker 16 (52:41):
Horrible?

Speaker 9 (52:41):
It's just endless drama after drama. There's always something going on.
I think, you know what I'd rather be an international diplomat?

Speaker 8 (52:48):
I would rut.

Speaker 9 (52:48):
I don't know what I'd rather do. But she wouldn't
even say that because she's too polite.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
But about you there, would you do it?

Speaker 8 (52:56):
Paul?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
I mean, really would you deal with that?

Speaker 20 (52:57):
For all the golden Darcy, I can never see you
being an international diplomat.

Speaker 8 (53:03):
To be fair, Darcy's right.

Speaker 20 (53:06):
She did say if this full reform proposal didn't go
through with all the recommendations being adopted, she was out
of there.

Speaker 8 (53:12):
And that's what she's done.

Speaker 20 (53:13):
Has taken a little while since the dust has settled
on that, but that's what she said that she would do.

Speaker 8 (53:17):
She's only been there for two years.

Speaker 20 (53:18):
She's got great governance background with Telecom and Sky City
and New Zealand post and in New Zealand and with
the arts. Not a lot of experience around sport, but
I guess those transferable skills and governance can transition across
from one sector to another.

Speaker 8 (53:32):
So she was there, That's why she.

Speaker 9 (53:34):
Was there, so people would listen to because she has
experience in those roles above rugby.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
But they still didn't listen.

Speaker 13 (53:40):
It's insane.

Speaker 20 (53:41):
Yeah, well, you've had you've had all sorts of issues
around silver Lake and the players Association getting on board,
and the financial performance and the provincial competition and all
of the other issues that are around the whole the
whole format of the game and where's it going.

Speaker 8 (53:53):
And you've got to get people united.

Speaker 20 (53:55):
And I guess by her making the decision to stand aside,
she thinks is probably a better chance for people to
get united now with a clean slate and a clean
canvas to work together.

Speaker 9 (54:04):
What I suppose he's carrying some of the cans. You's gone, Okay,
it might be unpopular here, but I've done what I've
had to do. I've tried to do it hasn't worked on.
Let's get a new bunch in to do it. I
commended for that, right.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
So the Crusaders have confirmed the signing of former Wallaby
playmaker James O'Connor.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Well do you reckon, Paul? But weird to see a
Wallaby in a Crusaders Jersey.

Speaker 20 (54:26):
We's got New Zealand parents, hasn't eat and he has
got some history and heritage here.

Speaker 8 (54:30):
I remember him as a seventeen year old coming on.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
For the Force.

Speaker 8 (54:33):
He looked like he was a kid in school uniform
almost coming on back.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
And yeah, of beaver esque quality. Didn't he beefcake?

Speaker 11 (54:43):
Though?

Speaker 20 (54:45):
I'm sure Rob Penny would have loved to have got
Richie Mowanger back, but you're not going to drag him
away from a two million dollar a year deal in
Japan this yet. He's got two more years to go.
They needed to fill with some experience in that pivotal
number ten position. The fact that he's thirty four years
of age and he's been around for long time and
he hasn't always been a number ten in either. It
was a bit of a risk for them, but they
bring some experience and I think you'll probably add something

(55:06):
to the maturity of the Crusaders, which they desperately need
after a really underperforming season. They've got camera there and
they've got Ray Hanner, both young guys. They've said David
Harvelly isn't going to fill that number ten position, so
having some experience is probably not a bad idea. I
don't think we'll see a lot of them in every game,
starting in the number ten position, but having that experience

(55:28):
in the mix probably isn't a bad thing. It's a
little bit surprised, to be fair, when the news came through,
but you know, you can't blame the Crusaders for trying
to get back on the top of the table.

Speaker 9 (55:36):
Well, they've had a pretty fraught year or so in existence,
haven't they, So they'll try anything to try and write it.
And that was a real issue control the standards, that
was the problem. There were no one to control that.
So credit where credit's due to the young guys coming through.
But there are a couple of years out from doing that,
so I think it makes sense. It's only a year
long contract too. It's they've thrown the check book out

(55:58):
of me. He apparently he wants this experience, wants to
come over and play a bit of rugby over here
and maybe try and lift the Crusaders up from where
they've been, which is hard yards. But you know, and
we're going to talk about that tonight with James Marshall,
assistant coach of the Crusaders, about what they gained out
of that, why they went ahead and then what happens
next in that position because he's picked us number three?

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Right, hey, Yeah, pretty shocking news today from the Black Fans.
Grace Steinmetz has been forced to retire because of a
brain injury. So we're going to take a closer look
at that after the break back with the huddle in
a couple of minutes. Paul Allison Darcy Waldegove with you
right now. It's fourteen to six.

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Speaker 1 (56:43):
And your Friday Huddler's Darcy Waldgrave, the host of Sports Talk,
and Paul Allison, the gold Sport rugby commentator. So Paul,
news from Grace Steintz this afternoon. She says she's been
forced to retire because of evidence of a brain injury,
which is obviously a bit of a shock, always a
concern contact sports, especially rugby, But thank goodness she's been
able to identify this sooner rather than later, I suppose.

Speaker 8 (57:06):
Yeah, it's a sensible decision.

Speaker 20 (57:08):
She's only twenty six years of age and has been
a member of the black Fern's Historically, she comes from
a good Rugby family. Her uncle Paul was an All
Black back in the day back in two thousand and two.
She's got a very talented background in sport, having played
hockey and athletics as well as seven so whether or
not she takes up other sports.

Speaker 8 (57:25):
She's a qualified lawyer, so she's not a silly person.
She'll know exactly what the risks are.

Speaker 20 (57:30):
And it's probably a sound decision because she said, the
brain scans revealed that it'll be unsafe for me to
take the field anymore.

Speaker 8 (57:36):
So yeah, sad for her, but a real sensible decision.
I think I'm absolutely.

Speaker 9 (57:40):
Stoked for her that she found out when she found
out and has made that call or made that decision.
It's the same, but it's different. It's like why men
of my age get their prostate check every year because
they don't want it coming up by surprise and suddenly
it's too late. You don't want to get a knock
on the head and go, oh wow, I had a
massive problem in my brain I never knew. So really

(58:01):
good she found out, and yes, stoked for her, and
of course says he said the Steinemtz clan, and she
actually played for Matter two and Christo, so nice.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
A bit of red and black connects very good. Now,
Michael Chicki has been banned after he apparently apparently made
quote intense eye contact with a neutral doctor in the
game that he was that his team was playing. So
the Lesa Tigers were playing, and apparently one of his

(58:32):
players went down. Checker made this intense eye contact and
the doctor got upset. I mean, give there, can we
I mean, I suppose if you really look angry with
intense eye contact.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I don't know, darth is that is that bandwidthy?

Speaker 8 (58:45):
Well, he looks like you may not.

Speaker 9 (58:47):
Be familiar, but Paul definitely will be. There was some
characters back in Disney, way back in the day called
the Beagle Boys, and he looks like a beagle boy.
He's a big, scary looking dude. And if he gave
me the eye, I'd be worried too. The thing is,
what was he doing over He was doing a mistaken
withdrawal from concussion. Sent back on the park again. I mean, no, no, no, no, no, wrong,

(59:09):
We're pulling this guy back in again. And check has
started to get a bit angry about the whole thing
and a.

Speaker 20 (59:15):
Bit stell raised, but Darcy he never raised his voice.
He did not shout or swear. They said an intense
eye contact. I mean, imagine Gris Wiley going to see
a doctor. Just just imagine. I mean, he wouldn't be
up for a week. He'd be up for a month,
poor old Gris, wouldn't he. They said he did not
disrespect the doctor during a five minute discussion, and they

(59:37):
said the conduct was prejudicial to the interests of the
game or the union. Now Lester Tigers are going to
come out because they seeking clarification on this, and they
reserve the right to lodge an appeal of the decision
within the forteen.

Speaker 8 (59:49):
Day period, so it might not be over yet. He's
had a one week standdown.

Speaker 20 (59:53):
This is the first game in charge of the club
at a senior level.

Speaker 8 (59:57):
But this is just Michael Checker.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
He's been like that.

Speaker 20 (01:00:00):
I mean, if you looked at him on TV or
saw him at a game, he's not the friendliest looking
character anyhow, But intense I can't contact.

Speaker 8 (01:00:06):
I mean, give me a break, I know you need it.

Speaker 9 (01:00:08):
I suppose there has to be a line there. Someone's
going to be to look after the medical staff. Because
if faith overlooked and when it comes to the head injury,
they shouldn't even be in the program.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Shouldn't be an issue. Just go yep, cool, accept that
walk away.

Speaker 7 (01:00:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
I don't stand there like some kind of spoiled brown threatening.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I know you were wondering this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Nineteen fifty one, that's when the Beagle Boys were invented.
I had to had to google that because I feel
like I wasn't the only one who had absolutely no
idea what Dark he was talking about the three villains.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
From Donald Duck. Yeah, screw Dark, there's three.

Speaker 9 (01:00:45):
I think the Jersey numbers are six seven one one
seven six or variations of that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
And trust me, Michael che.

Speaker 8 (01:00:52):
When does your gold card come to you in the mail?

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Mate for three years old?

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Thank you very much, Paul Allison and all the grave
our sports huddlers. This evening, it's seven to six on
News Dog z'd be.

Speaker 10 (01:01:05):
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Speaker 10 (01:01:22):
Here until seven it's the.

Speaker 21 (01:01:23):
Bus sometime and I think when the New the then
new minister announced their review into property. There was a
sort of a collective sigh, and so we've been eagerly
awaiting the output of that review since. And whilst there's
plenty of good people trying trying your best, the nature
of school property is a complicated beast and we've all

(01:01:46):
found it particularly frustrating over the last couple of decades.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Really yeah, yeah, what are the main problems as you
see them? I mean, some pretty extraordinary things in the
report today, from the cost of building, but also just
that the totally unexplainable differences between what schools are actually getting.

Speaker 21 (01:02:08):
Yeah, it's somehow some stuff happens in the middle where
you get all sorts of costs escalating out of control.
Not quite sure why that is. But the complications are
that whilst you might think all schools are the same,
they're sort of not so. When you think about say,
my school, it's nice and flats take a couple of
classrooms on a fast cake. However, if you go over

(01:02:31):
to Glenfield College or Northcote College or Auckland Girls On
High School.

Speaker 7 (01:02:34):
They're all on hills.

Speaker 21 (01:02:36):
So a couple of classrooms on their sites are a
lot more complicated. And so not all schools have the
same geotech that they're dealing with, and so it's not
sort of one size, but it's all. However, we got
ourselves into a sort of an unnecessary cycle of bespoke building,
and whenever you chuck bespoken, you know that costs are

(01:02:57):
going to go up a bit. And so I think
we all need to have a look at sort of
a fit a buffet of fairly standard type buildings. We
don't need to win architectural awards with school classrooms. We
need functional, we need warm, we need safe, we need sturdy,
depending on what part of the country, and you need

(01:03:18):
extra earthquaky stuff, and so doing it simple and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Also the transparency right about which schools are prioritized.

Speaker 21 (01:03:28):
Yeah, absolutely, that is always going to be problematic because
I'm always going to prioritize my school. When your mum
was a principal, she was always going to prioritize it is.
But we don't want to do that at the expense
of somebody else. But we don't always know what the
priorities are of that person up the road. We're all
rational humans, and if we went, oh, I really need

(01:03:50):
a new gym, but up the road. They're doing math
classes under a stairwell. Actually, we don't need our job
getting them some classes first. And so that transparency ofmmunication,
that understanding the network need as opposed to just your
own local one. All that sort of stuff is what
probably the sector is crying out for.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Do we know anything at the moment about how this
new entity will work or who's going to be in charge?

Speaker 10 (01:04:19):
Not a thing, you know.

Speaker 21 (01:04:20):
The thing with government announcements is the detail always comes
a bit later on, as you know, and so the
devil will be in the detail. But what I do
know is that when you take the likes of people
leading from Willington depth set responsible for this area, he's
particularly passionate about this work and has been doing his
best to make some real changes that will help the sector.

(01:04:43):
And so there's some good people trying very hard, but
there is lots of moving parts to the big machine
that is school property.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Hey, thanks to that, Vaughan. We appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
That's Vaughan Quillo, who's the Secondary Principles Association of New
Zealand president. It's just coming up to twelve past six.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
The numbers and getting the results. It's header duperic Ellen
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Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
When it comes to the cost of building, don't forget
the consenting issues. For me, it is all consenting. Yes,
schools might be spending a lot of money when it
comes to the design of their buildings. Yes, they've probably
been far more bespoke than they should have been. But
it's the consenting that's the issue for me. If you
want to get in touch, ninety two ninety two is
our text number. You can email me if you like
as well. Jacket Newstalk ZB dot co dot Nz. Time

(01:05:32):
now to wrap the political week with The New Zealand Herald,
Deputy Political Editor Thomas Coglan as back with US Guilder.
So Casey Costello has released her long awaited independent advice.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
What did you think?

Speaker 9 (01:05:46):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
It's I mean, I mean, come on, come on, that's
I mean really, I mean, how are you How many
of the five bits of of advice on heated tobacco
price didn't even mention heated becca products.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Yes, it's it isn't She hasn't made a compelling case.

Speaker 10 (01:06:10):
For it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
I'm sort of I'm struggling to find so I that
this week I've been struggling to find comparisons. I remember
during the pandemic, when things are moving very fast, you'd
occasionally get at a press conference as she Bloomfield, who
was very well read, would say, oh, you know, I
read this that there's an interesting paper published in the
lance of a couple of days ago about this, and

(01:06:35):
you know that was always very impressive because he had
a very busy job and somehow managed to find time
to read a medical journal. So it's not the issue
at stake here is not too much so that I
guess she went out and got her own advice, because
sometimes you do that. Of course, actually Bloomfield was a
public servant, not a minister, so it's quite different. But yeah,

(01:06:56):
the issue is that that the quality of the advice
is not quite what she uh led us to believe.
I guess uh and and I you know, the it
is sort of a grab bag of I mean some,
as you say, some articles that that didn't mention head
of tobacco products, others that seemed to be less relevant

(01:07:18):
to New Zealand. There's one from Japan, but the Japan,
I think, is a different different slightly different circumstances have
banned other forms of cessation tools like we have done.
So it's not, yes, vaking, so it's not. It just
doesn't seem to be quite at the kind of get
out of jail free card that she perhaps presented it

(01:07:38):
to be. And certainly, you know when you're when you're
dealing with when you're when you're when you're comparing it
with a vice from officials who themselves have synthesized the
available evidents. This is the officials invent the evidents. They
found it themselves as well. It just didn't it didn't
quite seem to justify her sort of what I had
my own advice, which was the justific as were offering

(01:08:00):
this text card.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Now, a lot of new rules came into play this week,
so no more free COVID tests, key truder stuff. Changes
in parking penalties are increasing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Yes, so these are these people who public who who
pardon me? These for people who park in disabled car parks,
though the fines have increased that they're up to seven
hundred and fifty dollars now, I mean, this seems like
something that I can't of mentionine anyone disagreeing with probably

(01:08:30):
fairly popular. I note that a lot of the national
party's social media accounts are sort of tweeting it and
posting it. I think they're sort of expecting a fairly
I suppose it said the sort of bit more benign
end of the tough on crime redirectly that the government's
trying to push out. It's very difficult to I mean,
it's a it's an annoyance. I think of a lot
of a lot of people, even people who don't sort

(01:08:54):
of interact with the the disabled community. When you see
people use those car parks who really shouldn't be, so
I think that's probably it's unlikely to come up against
them too much pushback. Also some other positive changes. Some
of those cancer medicines that the government relatedly funded have
have have become available so Keytruder from the first of

(01:09:20):
the month, and that's sort of a part of the
first of a longer rollout of those of those medicines
that were that were funded not on the budget but
but after the budget as part of that that long
that long Saga.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
And Christopher Luckson hit back at what were described as
the politics of envy over his house sales.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
Yes, so Christopher Luxon owned a he owned an apartment
in Wellington as many in peace do. When he became
Prime minister, he was able to move what he had
the right to move into Premier House. Obviously that that
whole saga transpired. It needed substantial some renovations to bring
it up to standard. He claimed that that continued to
claim as allowance the living as apartments and then you

(01:10:00):
know there was the drama around around that. So he
is moving into Premier House now, he's moved in over
the weekend. That meant that he decided to sell his
apartment earlier. This was proub med last month he sold it.
He made a nice capital gain on that apartment of
about exactly one hundred maybe thousand dollars minus you know,

(01:10:21):
sales fees, and he made some renovations. And Labor has
used that to play into this debate that they are
starting around the fairness of the tax system. Obviously, Labor
should have been trapped in this discussion about the fairness
of the tax system for nearly fifteen years now, I think,
and and they seem much better at sort of discussing

(01:10:41):
it than next to doing anything about it. Obviously, they
had six years in government and decided not to touch
those issues. But Christopher Luxon has hit back at at
at Labor kind of using it like that and and said,
you know, he admitted to being a wealthy guy obviously,
you know, not not that that was any surprise to anyone.

(01:11:05):
And in a series, I mean it was mainly I
think mainly an interview on news Storks is b actually
where he just used, I suppose some inopportune language to
sort of describe the level of comfort in which he lives.
I think he struggles with this issue. I think it
might be something over the summer break that he sort
of has some media training on. I think just in

(01:11:26):
future it was possibly something he might need to man's
slightly better than he doesn't find.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
More elegant language. Yeah, hey, thank you so much. Thomas
really appreciate it. Every good weekend there is Thomas Coglan,
the New Zealand Herald Deputy Political editor.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
It's twenty one past six.

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Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Twenty three past six. Google is threatening to remove any
ability for users to find local New Zealand news on
its search engine. It'll be forced to stop promoting key
we news content and stop deals with local newsrooms if
the government goes ahead with the Fear Digital News Bargaining Bill,
which would force the tech giants to pay news organizations
for their content. Google's New Zealand operations made almost a

(01:12:18):
billion dollars last year, and of course the vast majority
of that they shipped off as a payment to their
international company. Tech commentator Bill Bennett joins us on this
this evening Kilder Bill, Hi, Jack, what do you make
of Google's threats?

Speaker 19 (01:12:32):
Well, this is something We've seen a number of times
elsewhere in the world. It started about five years ago,
I think with Germany and Spain had similar boarding, similar
legislation to what our government's proposing, and Google threw its
toys out the PRAM in both those places. In its time.
It's done something similar in Canada, which we'll talk about

(01:12:55):
a bit more in a moment, and it's earlier this year.
It did something similar again in California, and it does
have deals like this with Australia. But that's got a
lot to do with the fact that Rupert Murdoch is
so powerful around the world with news and he used
his influence and clout basically to force them to the

(01:13:17):
bargaining table in Australia. So oh, and that is kind
of the key to it is because Google is this giant,
you know, huge corporation. It's it's extraordinarily large. New Zealand
wouldn't be a rounding era in the company's revenues, so
it doesn't. So we just don't matter to them. We're literally,

(01:13:38):
you know, the ant being crushed under the heel of
a bronze saurus.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Yeah, it's a stirring image. Bill, What what happens then?

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
What? What? What? What will?

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
What will happen if the government tries to gohere? Do
you think Google will actually follow through with these threats?

Speaker 19 (01:13:55):
Yeah? Probably will. I mean it hasn't Google. Google plays
nicer than Meta, the Facebook company in these things. I mean,
you've got although we're talking about Google today because Google's
made its announcement, the Meta and Google are the two
companies which are on the receiving end of this legislation
as as it's gone in in different countries around the world.

(01:14:17):
And Meta really has pulled the plug on things. When
Canada went through a similar a similar exercise, Meta just
completely pulled the plug on all news links in Canada,
and its estimated that that cost the Canadian media sector

(01:14:37):
about one hundred and twenty million in lost traffic that
didn't come to them because Facebook was no longer linking.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
But what more.

Speaker 19 (01:14:46):
Disturbing is that face when Facebook did that in Canada,
it had zero impact on its Canadian revenue. So that
tells you that there's a huge imbalance in these things.
It's and Google will have you know, the same kind
of numbers in its in its head. But Google plays

(01:15:06):
nicer in general with this game. And one of the
things that Google does do is it has various funds
that it pays into for journaligement.

Speaker 7 (01:15:15):
I think it does that here at the moment as well.

Speaker 19 (01:15:18):
It does and that could go if this legislation comes in.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Yeah, I mean it does also have a couple of
deals with local newsrooms or hashead deals with local n Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:15:28):
Well, like I said, they tend to play nice. And
the thing is is that the idea of a link tax,
and it's Google that calls it a link tax, is
that it they haven't really worked. They're not really they
don't really do what they set out to do, but
they're also kind of slightly dangerous in other ways because
they they shut down parts of the web, and we

(01:15:49):
don't really want that to happen. There's already enough bad
stuff going on there.

Speaker 7 (01:15:54):
What I found something.

Speaker 19 (01:15:56):
Really interesting from the Canadian thing right, It said we
expected the disappearance of News on Matter to have major
shots of the Canadian information ecosystem. This is some Canadian
academics we're looking at the media day. But the shock
appears to have been one sided by the band. Has
the impacted Canadian news outlet's meta has not suffered any

(01:16:20):
loss in their user base at all.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
So yeah, yeah, I mean, this is the argument, right,
that they are mutually dependent on each other, that Google
and the local news producers actually need each other support.
And that's certainly like an argument that's been put forward
by Act which I think invoked the right to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Disagree agree to disagree clause and the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Coalition agreement and choosing not to support this particular piece
of legislation. So it's going to be very interesting to
see what happens with all of that, especially if Google
doesn't back down, and there's no reason to think at
the stage that they're will.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Thanks very much, Bill.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
That is technology commentator Bill Bennett before seven o'clock on
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So the rain is expected to continue falling for at
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Dunedin still closed, all sorts of road closures right across
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If the sign says the road has closed code is closed.

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You really don't want to be that person. You really
don't want to be that motorist caught out by floodwaters.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
On a night like this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
The red rain warning remains in place for the time
being and we're going to make sure we keep you
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Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
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Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
It is twenty three minutes to seven one, and Asia
Business correspondent Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Lewis is with us this evening.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
Hi, Peter, Good evening, Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
So the Hong Kong stocks have ended and historic six
day winning streak.

Speaker 22 (01:18:35):
Quite a six day winning streak it was as well.
Brokers out here have been describing it as a once
in a century rally. Just to put it in a context.
How the Hangsting Index surged twenty three percent over that
six days, added about seven hundred and seventy billion US
dollars in market value, and it's completely reversed. It's now

(01:18:59):
year today. Before the Hangsing was among the world's worst
performing major stock in the seas, It's now up almost
thirty percent year to date, which makes it one of
the best performing in the seas in the world. By comparison.
In the US, the S and P five hundred is
up about twenty percent year to date. And if you

(01:19:20):
look at the mainland in the seas, they've been closed
since Monday for the Golden Week holiday. But on Monday,
the CSI three hundred index, which is the index of
the largest listed companies in Shanghai and Shenzen soared eight
and a half percent in just one day. That's the
biggest single day gain since two thousand and eight during

(01:19:42):
the global financial crisis, and that index has added about
seventeen percent just in September loans, so these are huge,
huge rallies being prompted by all this promise of stimulus,
of monetary stimulus. The People's Bank of China has cut
interest rates, it's got mortgage rates. President Jiujinping's governments is

(01:20:04):
promising fiscal stimulus in terms of handouts to the poor
and needy, and undertaking structural reforms to try and boost
the economy and support the housing markets, and also throwing
money at the stock markets as well. So far, they've
said they're going to allow brokers, insurance companies, financial firms

(01:20:27):
to borrow money from the central bank to go and
put into the market. So quite an astonishing turnaround prompted
by these promises of all sorts of stimulus, but with
yet to see more details and see if this is
all actually going to work.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Impeter Japanese equities have been boosted by.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
The week in.

Speaker 22 (01:20:48):
Yes, well, this is another big theme in the market.
So it's come about here because a new Prime Minister,
Shigar is Sheba Ishuba, and he basically he did a
big about turn earlier this week. He had been during
his campaign to be PM, very supportive of the Bank
of Japan's campaign to try and normalize interest rates. Interest

(01:21:11):
rates are about a quarter of percent in Japan. The
Bank of Japan is trying to raise them to get
them up closer to one percent, which will still be
low by international standards, but you have to remember that
for a couple of decades, Japanese interest rates have been
either zero or negative. Well, Isshiba was supportive of that
and then suddenly appear to change tech on Wednesday by

(01:21:35):
saying the economy just simply can't cope with interest rate rises,
which is a little bit of a surprise to many economists,
given that interest rates are only a quarter of percent,
But nevertheless, that sent the yen lower, and a weekend
is good for Japan because there are a lot of
companies that are exporters, exporters of goods and services and

(01:21:57):
they benefit from the lower Japanese so that has since
the NIK two two five higher as well. So it's
been overall rather a good week for Asian stock markets.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
In Japan's incoming prime minister is calling a snap election.

Speaker 22 (01:22:14):
That's right, Yes, he wants to. I mean one of
the reasons for this is that he hasn't been voted
by the public as prime minister. He simply was appointed
by the Liberal Democratic Party after his predecessor, Fumio Kashida resigned,
so he wants to sort of get his own mandate.

(01:22:34):
But Japanese prime ministers don't have a history of lasting
very long. There's normally a revolving door of Japanese prime ministers.
They last about a year and then either resign or
get booted out, the exception with Shinzo Arsee Arbe, who
was prime minister for about six years. But we've gone
back to where we were before that, now, having three

(01:22:55):
prime ministers in a year, all of whom didn't most
of them didn't last their their full term. But there's
no chance of the LDP losing this election. There by
far the dominant force in Japanese politics, so they're almost
certainly going to win the election. The question is how
long will Ishiba, who isn't widely liked within his own party,

(01:23:18):
how long is he likely to survive, and.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
The US has banned two more Chinese firms in the
Wiga region.

Speaker 22 (01:23:26):
Yes, that's right. This is on the basis that these
companies are using false labor from the from the Wigo region.
So this list now of banned companies is up to
seventy five companies contains basically pretty well every single company
in the in the Weiga sort of region. And the

(01:23:48):
US has made a big campaign about banning companies that
use false labor. China denies this completely, and Beijing has
now launched its own efforts to try and fight against
this by announcing investigations into US companies that it says
operate discriminatory practices in the Wiga region, in other words,

(01:24:09):
bans them. So it's investigating the firm that owns, for example,
the fashion brands Tommy Hills, Weeisier, Calvin Klein for what
it says are discriminatory measures. So a lot of tip
pa tat here sort of going on, but just another
sign of really the deteriorating relationship are certainly the deteriorating
trade relationship between the US and China, and today is

(01:24:32):
a big day in terms of China trade because the
EU is going to vote today on whether to make
permanent tariffs against Chinese electric vehicles, which it says are
flooding the European markets. So this is going to be
a very significant day for Chinese trade.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Yeah, oh that's very interesting. Thank you, Thank you. Peter.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
There is Peter Lewis our Asia Business correspondent, sixteen to seven,
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On Newstalk ZIB.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Fourteen to seven on News Talks, he'd be UK correspondent
Devin Gray is with us this evening, Hi Gvin, Hi Jack.
So Argentina is demanding the Falkland Islands from the UK.
This sounds familiar, but of course it follows the UK's
deal to hand over the Chagos Islands after decades of
terse and angry negotiations. And I suppose Argentina is saying, well,

(01:25:35):
the Chagos Islands have been handed back, then why can't
we have the Falklands.

Speaker 11 (01:25:39):
That's exactly their argument. Yes, so the Chegos Islands not
many people have heard of, but lying to the south
of the Maldives in the Indian Ocean British overseas territory,
but agreed to be handed back. They include, of course
the Cruise of Diego Garcia Island used by US government
as a highly secretive military base. Now because that's been

(01:26:01):
given back after for five decades, a really pretty angry
argument between Mauritius and the UK at times. Now yeah,
the Argentine government saying, right, well, you've agreed that that's
wrong and you're giving it back. So now we want
the Falkland Islands. They of course lie in the South Atlantic,
and we went to war on them in nineteen eighty
two when Argentina invaded them in a bid to reclaim sovereignty.

(01:26:24):
It was a bit of war lasting seventy four days,
six hundred and fifty five Argentinian, two hundred and fifty
five British dead, and three on the Falkland Islands themselves.
And the Foreign Minister of Argentina, Diana Mondino, has welcomed
the step taken over the Chagos Islands and saying, following
the path we've already taken with concrete actions and not

(01:26:44):
empty rhetoric, we will recover full sovereignty over our Malvinus
Islands as they call them now. The Governor of the
Falkland Islands has sought to calm concerns over the territory sovereignty,
writing to local people saying, look, they are very much British.
We're getting to stay British, so don't worry.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
See that's interesting, isn't it, Because that's probably the main difference.
If you look at Diego Gacia in the Chego's Islands,
I mean all of the local inhabitants for one of
a better term, I don't believe they are indigenous, but
the local inhabitants from the Chegos Islands got moved off
to Mauritius and elsewhere fifty or sixty years ago, whereas
the people who are living on the Falklands Islands now

(01:27:27):
are British citizens and don't want to become part of Argentina.
So this is quite an important distinction.

Speaker 11 (01:27:33):
Very important. Yeah, and no doubt that's the why the
British government will argue. And indeed the most recent opinion
polls put more than ninety percent of the population of
the Falkland Islands as wanting to remain British and under
British sovereignty. But you know, once you start these domino
effects of handling Thans back, that perhaps is a logical
next step.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
Yeah, it's going to be very interesting to see how
that plays out, hopefully less dramatically than the last time
came to a heat. Sakir Starmer has made his first
visit to the EU HQ since becoming Prime minister.

Speaker 8 (01:28:07):
Yes, he has.

Speaker 11 (01:28:08):
Plenty of people are going to be very very watching this,
very very closely. He's always said we are not going
to reverse Brexit, but plenty of people are saying, well, okay,
you're making these warm approaches to the EU. Fair enough,
we all want to get along, that's in all our interests.
And he's gone there with a wish list closer cooperation
on defense security, energy security, and climate change, irregular migration

(01:28:31):
he wants help with, and you know, also really trade,
trying to boost an increased trade. But plenty of people
who supported Brexit again, well hang on a minute, because
the EU are going to want something back, and now
what are you prepared to give back? And he's refusing
to say what he considers to be things that might
be negotiable, but plenty of people are concerned that might

(01:28:54):
be free movement of people, in other words, people coming
over again from the EU without the need for any
sort of documentary or anything like that. And I think
there's a great deal of sense of what he's trying
to do there, Ryan, but at the same time huge
concerns about potentially things he might be willing to give away.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Is there any sense that he might be interested in
the Customs Union or something? I bet yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:29:15):
I think that's often been talked about. They're going to
have to be very careful how they phrase it. Any
mention of sort of things like that is going to
really put people's backs up. But you know, I get
the feeling that he's keen on this trade idea as
on most people. But last time we were made to
comply with everything the EU wanted and not a lot
that was good for the UK and Gavin.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
A woman in Wales has discovered her house had been
broken into by a burglar who hung out her washing,
put her shopping away, and even cooked a meal on
her stove.

Speaker 11 (01:29:47):
What yeah, I know, it's always a sort of almost
quite funny, isn't it. But I mean she returned home
to find items have been moved in the garden into
no doubt, probably looking slightly better positioning. A recycling bin
had been emptied. There was a note saying don't worry,
be happy and eat up. The bird feeders had been refilled,

(01:30:07):
the plant pots have been moved, a pair of shoes
have been removed from packaging, and the packaging place to
the recycling bin. The sad story about this, though, is
that the woman is now too scared to stay in
her own home after returning from work to find these items.
The burglar, a thirty six year old originally from Poland,
I believe, has been jailed for twenty two months.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Yeah, I see, can I I mean it is kind
of funny when you hear and then you think about
the kind of the violation of your space. Yeah, it
would be really creepy, don't you think, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:30:41):
Very much, so really horrid. And indeed, bizarrely the neighbor
saw the man hanging out the washing but didn't.

Speaker 21 (01:30:47):
Think anything of it.

Speaker 11 (01:30:48):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Yeah, that's peculiar. That is really weird. Thanks about Gavin.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
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