Full Show Podcast: 06 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Will Donald Trump returned to the Oval office.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm continue to.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Or will Kamala Harris become the first female president of
the USA.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
It is time to turn the page on the drama
and the carniflex.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
The Race to two seventy is online with the latest
on the US presidential election. It's hither duplicy, allan drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talk said.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
Be.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Right, good afternoon, coming up today. We're going to get
you across that US selection result. Going to talk to
the Democratic camp, also to Republicans, also find out what
a polster is seeing at the moment. We're going to
get your market reaction as well, because of course the
Aussie and Asian markets should still be open once the
result is clear. We also will deal with the surprisingly
good unemployment number here in New Zealand and find out

(00:54):
why it is that Westpac Bank is going harder on
our dairy farmers with their climate targets than they are
on the Aussie dairy farmers.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
What heaver do for see alot O.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Let me get you up to speed on what is
happening in the US election. Now at this point it
is still really early and really have to Street it
as early. There's a lot yet to happen, but I
tell you what, it's feeling a hell of a lot
like it could be Trump's night. The New York Times
has just started forecasting a Trump win. They are running
a needle on their site and it basically swings one
way or the other depending on how things are going.

(01:23):
At the moment, it is leaning to Donald Trump, and
it's giving him a sixty nine percent chance of winning
the selection. None of the seven swing states have been
called just yet, but he is probably going to win,
at least according to the New York Times. Georgia, he's
got quite a lead there, so I say probably right.
And North Carolina, two swing states now potentially he will

(01:44):
win those, depending on how things are going, by a
lot more than the polls were predicting.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
A couple of other things have also gone his way already.
He's won Florida. Florida, to be fair, historically a swing state,
but you know, since he's been in the running in
twenty sixteen's has pretty solidly been a Trump's. But the
interesting thing here is that the Democrats were talking about
the possibility that they could flip Florida over the abortion
issue there that hasn't happened. He has won it by
a margin, and it is a huge margin. And if

(02:12):
that is a sign of the mood of the country
at the moment, he will be very happy. By the
end of tonight. He's also won Ohio again, a Trump
state like Florida, used to be a swing state but
has been his since twenty sixteen. Again won it by
a big margin. Now, as I say, really early days, okay,
he is absolutely ahead in the electoral College vote, and
every single outlet that I've had to look at as

(02:33):
counting him like eighty votes higher than Karmala Harris, but
that is to be expected. There usually is what they
call a red mirage really early in the evening, where
they get a lot of votes coming in for the
Republicans and then the Democrats catch up later on. Nothing
surprising has happened at the moment. Neither side has actually
managed to flip a state against the other. But so

(02:54):
far two swing states and two signal states have gone
for Trump, and early on it feels like it's going
his way. We're going to keep you posted throughout.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
The show, Heather do for see Ellen nine.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Two nine two hit me with a standard techs fees apply.
Let's go now live to Carmala Harris HQ to Q
and a host and host of Saturday Morning's Jack tamed Jack.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Hello, Hello, Heather.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Are you getting any kind of a vibe from the
Democrats about whether they're feeling bummed out or optimistic?

Speaker 6 (03:19):
Nah?

Speaker 7 (03:20):
See that all the students here at Howard University in Washington, DC,
her alma mater, and all the students are flooding and
here to see her speak later on this evening. Although
will she speak, We'll all remember, of course, that Hillary
Clinton decided not to on election night when she found
herself in a potentially similar situation.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Eight years ago.

Speaker 7 (03:38):
Look, I think you're right it's too early to read
too much into things, but I think your analysis is
also spot on.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
At the stage.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
You would much rather be teen Trump than teen Harris
at the moment, looking at those early numbers, especially around Georgia,
like they've put a lot of resources in that, the Democrats,
and I think looking at those numbers in Georgia, it's
not an unassailable lead Vietnam.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
It's called Georgia.

Speaker 7 (03:59):
For Trump to sept He's well ahead at the moment.
The early numbers in Pennsylvania are probably the only thing
giving the Democrats much reason for optimism. But even if
you go and look at some of the counties across
Michigan in Wisconsin, they've been comparing some of the numbers
that Harris is posting there with the numbers that Joe

(04:19):
Biden posted and across those counties, and they're just individual counties,
she doesn't seem to be performing as well at the stage,
which then would suggest that maybe she's not in the
strongest position right now. Like you say earlier in the night,
no one here is crying just yet. It's not too
somber or dark just yet. For certainly the people here
at Howard are going to be hoping that the results

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starts in the way.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
So Ap, I mean Pennsylvania, what are you looking at?
Are you still see Pennsylvania ahead? Because I'm looking at
AP's count AP's got on on fifty point three in
her now on forty eight point eight, so he's got an.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
I haven't seen that, lads, I haven't seen it. Haven't
seen those letters, the latest updates because they sort of
dropped them in matches, right, So there you go. Yeah,
she was leading, she was leading on the early numbers
out of Pennsylvania.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
They'll bum her out.

Speaker 7 (05:05):
Oh my god, if they lose Pennsylvania, good night, nurse.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Do we just pack up?

Speaker 4 (05:09):
If they lose Pennsylvania, Jack, do we just go right?
That's that, we'll call it and we'll go home.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, but it's whether or not they can call it tonight. Right.

Speaker 7 (05:17):
So the problem is that they might they might have
eighty five percent of the boat counters in Pennsylvania, but
those last votes are taking a long time, maybe the
mail and ballot something like that, taking a long time
to actually add them up. So when they finally do
call Pennsylvania, we're able to pack up and call it
something a recond room front.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
What do you make of Trump be leading in Virginia?
So they've got amateur We're how far through are they?
They're about sixty four percent so done about about two
thirds of the count there. Donald Trump is on forty
nine point seven and she's on forty eight point seven.

Speaker 7 (05:47):
Yeah, it's interesting. I'm sure the breakdown favors like the
Trump support favors the rural parts of Virginia over those
you know, the areas that border on Washington, d C.
I mean, the you know, Washington, DC is a very
very Democrat leaning compared to most other cities in the US.
But yeah, I mean, that's that is very interesting that

(06:07):
it's you know, like I say, I think I think
that the Trump team will be very pleased and interesting
that especially in Georgia, perhaps more than anywhere else at
the moment, although Virginia as well. He is comfortably out
doing what the polls suggested. And surely we thought after
two previous elections the polsters might have a good steer
on how much sensity to be adjusting their models to

(06:30):
account for Donald Trump. But I don't know, maybe maybe
those numbers again early days are suggesting that they haven't
appropriately adjusted them for the Trump effect or Jack It's going.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
To be exciting. I bet you were bet you were
sure at the Trump HQ tonight based on this, I.

Speaker 7 (06:45):
Oh, yeah, I mean it's well, it's always My theory
is I'm here with my wonderful colleague, logan US correspondent. Well,
he gets DIBs, he gets DIBs and so and I
just do what I'm told, and so that I do have.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I honestly think I have a real habit of this.

Speaker 7 (07:00):
My fourth US election I've never been there on looks
to night when a candidate has won. So on with
Joe Biden four years ago, and he remember he was like,
oh it's looking girl. I didn't call it, So I
don't know. Maybe there's the tame factor as well.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Maybe maybe, yeah, maybe that is the thing. Jack, Maybe
you are the key influence. I appreciate it. Look after
yourself enjoyed Jack dam Q and a host host of
Saturday Mornings.

Speaker 8 (07:21):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
We're going to go to David Seymore next because look,
it is a funny old day, so we're trying to
make space for the most important news the day. Normally
would be talking about sport next, but we need to
talk to David Seymore about what's going on with the
Treaty Principal's bills. So we're going to do that. Just
want to really get you across North Carolina. The Democrats
apparently are feeling pretty optimistic there because North Carolina they
were doing pretty well earlier on in the evening. But

(07:41):
currently the vote count has Donald Trump ahead. He's on
fifty two, Kamala's on forty seven percent. Is like seventy
percent of the votes are in CNN's Pamela Brown has
been told by North Carolina officials there are still so
many votes to count in the state.

Speaker 9 (07:53):
It's going to get closers some more time to get
results from across North Carolina's one hundred counties. He said
that this is going to be close. It's going to
take some time. There are counties that haven't reported yet
that are read and there are counties that haven't reported
yet that are blue.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Quarter past four, who will take the White House results
and analysis of the US election on hither duplessy Alan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected the news talk.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Sa'd be.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
All right it is eighteen passbole are going to get
you across the U S Selection as any more information comes
to hand. Right now, the government's planning to introduce the
Treaty Principle's Bill tomorrow. Now this is surprising because it
is a week and a half earlier than expected. Act
Leader David Seymour is with us on this right now.
Hey David, Hey, you ever feels very much like you
guys are doing this while we're distracted by the U
S Selection?

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (08:44):
What's up?

Speaker 10 (08:46):
I'll tell you one thing about conspiracies and government here
are all sorts of things that we're supposedly up to, and
I thaid man, I wish we were that organized.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Well, hang on because it already winds. As he was
saying this morning that there was a meeting yesterday in
Parliament where you would all supposed to discuss the business
of the House and this was not at all flagged
as happening this week. Why was that?

Speaker 10 (09:06):
I guess it's probably rather than doesn't have a huge
amount of experience. In fact, it normally doesn't pay a
lot of respect to Parliament. I've been in that Business
Committee for six years and the government doesn't always tell
you everything. So there's nothing unusual here. There's just people
trying to make mountains from moleholes.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Okay, So why is it coming in earlier than we're expecting?

Speaker 10 (09:26):
I guess the question is why did you expect it
at a certain time. Actually, things change all the time.
The reason people expected it on a day is that
the waiting a tribunal demanded a date, which is very unusual,
so we gave them one, and states often do this
one change. So really, this has got to be the
craziest mounted out of a mole hall ever because the

(09:49):
reality is you're in parliament, it's chaos. Sometimes you get
things done early.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
You go early.

Speaker 10 (09:54):
Sometimes it takes longer, you do it later. Normally no
one noticed this because you don't have waiting ea, you
demanding live updates on every date and expectation, and you
don't have lowerd eocity. You pitching in with his reckons
despite having with the greatest respect to them, pretty omitted
experience of parliament.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
David, what do you make the white tonguey Tribunal leaking
the information and elusing everyone that you're going to table
it tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (10:22):
Well, it's pretty saddening, to be honest. I mean, ultimately,
in a country, you need trust in your institutions and
you need people to act honorably. So they say, you
have to give us this information. It's your duty and
its respect and vomity and all of these other things.
And then we pay our part and we find when
we give them information, within an hour we have the

(10:45):
media ringing up saying we have been told this and
of course we expected that.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Did they tell because I thought that they told lawyers.
Did they tell lawyers who told the media, or did
they just go directly and tell the media.

Speaker 10 (10:56):
Well, you'd know better than anyone either. The journalists aren't
going to reveal their sources, so I guess that secret
dies with them.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
And when you told the White Pngy Tribunal, did you
tell them on the understanding that they would retain that
information and not share it.

Speaker 10 (11:12):
Look, I'm not sure, but you'd have to assume that
if somebody told you something, then it would be for
a certain purpose and it would be up to the
person who had the information to announce it publicly. In
any event, through their processes, the information got out within
an hour. Whether it was them, whether it was lawyers
who were acting for applicants who were informed of details

(11:32):
of the case, it's not entirely clear. But one of
the results of them demanding the information and seeing it
get into the public demand so rapidly is that they're
actually are road trust and institutions, including their own. That's
a bit saddening in a way.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Now do you expect comedy from them in the same
way that you would from a stock standard court.

Speaker 10 (11:54):
Well, that they're not a court, So often people say
you have to fully respect them. They're actually out of court.
Understanding commission of inquiry that's been going for forty eight years.
I think it's just good to treat people well. Wherever
you can, I've always bring someone who believes in the
basic respects and dignity for each individual. That's why I'm
opposed to the Treaty being cast as a partnership, because

(12:17):
when you say the Treaty is a partnership between races
which the member of which group, your group membership becomes
more important than your basic human dignity.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
And just listen very quickly, are you guys planning to
reform the tribunal? Have you actually got this across the
line with the big guns in the NATS.

Speaker 10 (12:36):
Well, I assume you said the big guns and the Nats.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
In the NATS, the pop dogs in the NATS.

Speaker 10 (12:44):
Well, you know for the very Democratic party. Look, you
got to remember that that's not an act policy, that's
the New Zealand First policy. But I mean, all i'd
say is that you know it's something that that supports
as we support all of the different policies that we've
signed up to through coalition. And I frankly think it's
a really sad time because the Whites only Tribunal and

(13:07):
the Treaty settlement process have been enormously positive. I think
it's a point of pride for New Zealand. In fact,
I don't think many countries would have gone through the
kind of civilized process of reconciliation that New Zealand has
in the last thirty years or so with treaty settlements. However,
they've now become so politicized that I think they've actually
diminished their own manner, and that will only lend strength

(13:30):
to the arm of those in government who would like
to see them substantially reformed.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Quite right, Hey, David, thanks very much, appreciate it. David
Seymour as part of Leeder, will come back to this
later on the program. To Georgia, Zach Manifold, an election
supervisor in one of the counties, Gwinnett County and Georgia, says,
a whole lot of votes are about to be reported,
and this is a county where Trump is currently ahead.

Speaker 11 (13:50):
Yeah, about three hundred and twenty thousand advance and.

Speaker 8 (13:54):
In person and absody by mail.

Speaker 12 (13:56):
They're coming.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
In Georgia, Trump is at eighty eight cent of the
votes counted. He's at fifty one point three percent, and
Karmala Harris is at forty eight percent. So he's probably
going to take that one. Four twenty four, who will.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Take the White House Results and analysis of the US
election on Heather duple c Alan Drive with one New
Zealand Let's get connected.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
The news talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah, the Trump victory. Soon, tell Barry to suck eggs.
We'll have Barry on shortly. We can tell him that
to his face. Shortly on that. Remember, there was that
big kerfuffle earlier this week about the Iowa poll that
had completely flipped things for Donald Trump. He'd been leading
by eighteen percent when Biden was still there in about June,
and then all of a sudden, Karmela was leading by
three percent. Just in the days ahead of the election.
Everybody thought, oh, yeah, we go, Karmela is going to

(14:39):
win well. Ioways being counted at about forty two percent
of votes. Now that's that's less than fifty so that's
very early. But Trump's leading fifty three to forty six
on that one. So we'll see how that one goes.
For that pole, we're going to talk to Scott Brown,
who's a Republican and a former US ambassador. He was
the US ambassador, the Centerfold Ambassador, Remember, is going to

(15:00):
be this after the news. Just need to get you
across this. The flight upgrade scandal in Australia, it's got
more ridiculous what's happened now because remember, first of all
it was Albow who's in trouble for upgrades and now
and then Bridget McKenzie got in trouble. Now Bridget McKenzie
is the opposition transport spokes woman and she was having
a crack at Elbow. She said I've never taken an upgrade.

(15:21):
Well turns out actually she did. Well now it turns
out might have taken more than a dozen, because she
wrote to all she was like I want a bit
of check, wrote to all the airlines, asked them did
I get any upgrades from you? And they were like yeah,
more than twelve. So apparently she is at some stage,
if not today, going to have to declare all of those,
which is a little embarrassing, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (15:41):
Headlines Next.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Life coverage to the US election as the votes accounted,
it's hither duplicy Alan drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
That'd be.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Right, Barry Soap is going to that's hard, a hard
on the old years isn't it. Jays Barry Soap is
going to be with us in ten minutes time and
absolutely keeping you across all of the election coverages it
comes across from the States. Just back home some things
that are happening that are important. The unemployment number today
was a big deal and actually something of a surprise,
wasn't It came in at four point eight percent, which

(16:41):
is quite a bit lower. I mean, it doesn't feel
a lot lower than five percent, but that it for economists.
That's quite a lot lower than the five percent that
pretty much everybody, including the Reserve Bank, was expecting. But
what they're thinking is that doesn't mean that people haven't
lost their jobs. What it means is that people are
not being counted in that number because they've already had
off to Australia, so they are no longer in the country.

(17:03):
They're not sitting here on the doll they they've gone
over there. They've got themselves a job. Right now, the
most important thing about this number is what does this
do to the official cash rate decision that's going to
come down the pipeline later this month. We'll have a
chat to Brad Olson about it. At about quarter past
five right now, it's twenty three away from five.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Right well.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Both US presidential candidates have been hitting the phones to
get the vote out. Today, Carmela popped into one of
her phone banks to lend a hand.

Speaker 10 (17:31):
Caroline cal Carolyn can hi, Carolyn, Hi?

Speaker 5 (17:37):
Hi are you?

Speaker 4 (17:38):
And according to CNN's Caitlin Collins, Trump's been phoning people too.

Speaker 14 (17:42):
I was told that he was just on the phone,
calling into radio stations inside Pennsylvania urging people to get
out and make sure they get to the polls and vote.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
And they aren't the only ones. Here's a voter in
North Carolina.

Speaker 15 (17:53):
I wasn't going to vote at all until my girlfriend
was blowing on my phone telling me to go vote
and if I did, and she was going to wreak
up with me.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
So now I'm here, good woman. Broadcast to Pierce Morgan
thinks that Donald Trump will be victorious at the end,
but not by a lot I.

Speaker 8 (18:09):
Have never seen.

Speaker 16 (18:09):
I've studied American politics for a long time. I've never
seen polls at a national and swing state level that
have been so close. My gut feeling, having been in
America now for a week and having been in Los
Angeles recently, is that I think Trump is going to win.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
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(18:46):
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to keep mosquito populations down and prevent the spread of disease.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye insh runs peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Right.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Well, Donald Trump's been pretty confident, hasn't he That he's
got the selection in the bag in the last few days,
and it looks like it might be panning out that
way for him today. Scott Brown was the US Ambassador
to New Zealand. He was appointed by Donald trumpet he's
with us now, Scott.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
Hello, Well, hello stranger, how are you.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
I'm very well, thank you. It's very good to talk
to you. Is this an evening that you were enjoying
so far?

Speaker 17 (19:25):
Well, yeah, it's been good, certainly, something that I'm used to.
It seems very similar to twenty sixteen. I've been obviously
doing the analyzing and making calls like everybody else.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
And the thing that's different about this one is.

Speaker 17 (19:41):
That he has brought a broad base, the pop the
Latino votes, Hispanic votes, Black American male votes, female votes,
Black American female votes, they're all up dramatically, and she's
underperforming in a lot of those.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
So called blue wall states.

Speaker 17 (20:02):
And Iowa was just called and you know, the Iowa
newspaper had him down like thirteen.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
They just called it.

Speaker 17 (20:09):
So I believe he's going to win North Carolina soon
and then Georgia, and I believe he'll win Pennsylvania too,
and then it's really it's pretty much over. Then she
would have to just go and win everything. And it
doesn't look at President's up in Wisconsin as well, and
if it's even close in New Mexico, do.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
You think, I mean, do they call Pennsylvania tonight or
is that a tomorrow thing?

Speaker 17 (20:34):
You know, they learned from last time that people aren't
going to wait weeks. I think it'll be earlier in
the morning. But things seem to be moving along pretty well.
There's been very few problems because everyone is getting a
little bit fed up. You have, for example, here in Florida.
I'm actually at our place here in Florida. I mean
they have they processed the votes was about three or

(20:57):
four million votes in an hour and a half. And
yet you have other states that, oh, it's.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
Going to you know, Arizona, and others, Oh.

Speaker 17 (21:05):
It's going to take you know, at least a week.
Why why hire more people? Just that's where the confidence
in the voat with people is really a problem.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
They don't trust the process. If they could just do
it right, it would be great.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Scott, So what's gone his way? Why is it explain
to me how it is that everybody appears to have
been like, well, this race is really tight, when actually
right now it doesn't look tight at all.

Speaker 17 (21:30):
Well, if you go to the if you're a better
you go to the betting site, sees that he started
out of fifty two percent, he's up at ninety one percent.
Even the New York Times has him winning it as well.
Bottom line is you know she came in late. People
don't like what they did to Joe Biden, whether you
like them or not, you know, they forced them out.
She didn't any vote, she was one of the she

(21:51):
didn't even get to two percent when she was running
for president. And I think her biggest problem, and I've
said this for months now, is that she didn't take
a tough interview except for Brett bher and I thought
she did fairly well there, and she wasn't She wasn't
ready for prime time when it came to actually answering questions.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
You know, what are you going to do about the economy? Well,
let me just stop by this. You know, I'm from
the middle class, a big deal.

Speaker 17 (22:15):
That doesn't that's not that's not how you're going to
do it. And so avoiding interviews really not having any answers.
I'm not doing a thing on the border, letting fifteen
million people into our country who don't belong here, giving
them free stuff all over the place over our vet.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Explain to me how, once again, people and talking politic
specifically about commentations in the media, how did they not
see this.

Speaker 17 (22:37):
Coming Because they're blind, they don't listen to the people.
They're in their high towers and they don't come down
and actually go to the local diners or or you know,
speak to people who had under President Trump, you know
a couple of thousand dollars of savings in their pocket
and the event of emergency. Now they don't have any
Their credit cards are over leveraged, their mortgages are underwater.

(23:00):
Are there a stack of bills on there on their table?
That some of our cities are unsafe? We have gangs
taking over housing complexes in Colorado? Are you kidding me?
Is just upside down. And that's why quite frankly, she's
not gonna win.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
Hey, Scott, so if your man wins, do you get
another cool job?

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (23:18):
Listen, you know it's up to him. I'm always willing
to serve.

Speaker 17 (23:23):
It was an honor, I mean, meeting you, not Barry,
but meeting you and actually, you know, really getting to
know New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
And really, Scott, you're gonna love this. It is ripping
berries ninety that Trump is winning today. He just is
so beside himself.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
I wish I was there, man, I wish.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
I was there.

Speaker 17 (23:42):
I could just like torture him, which I can still do.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Well, you are, but just by existing as one of
Trump's guys, you are torturing him. Scott, It's so good
to talk to you, mate. Look at yourself and enjoy
the rest of the evening that Scott Brown, former US
Ambassador to New Zealand. One of the first times that
Barry's so Oper met Scott Brown, he turned up with
a Donald Trump T shirt on to taunt Scott Brown,
as if that would be some sort of like a

(24:08):
horrific thing for Scott, who is a trump Man. Of course,
Scott just loved the whole experience, didn't They Listen over
in Nevada and Barry will be thus shortly and it
is ripping as night, he trust me. Multiple polling places
in Nevada have had weights of over an hour. The
polls were scheduled to close at about four o'clock our time,
so that's forty five minutes ago. So voters who are
in line at the time that polls the scheduled to

(24:29):
close are still able to vote. They just have to
stay in the line despite the long wait time. And
Donald Trump has been people has been telling people rather
to do that and stay in line.

Speaker 8 (24:37):
Our Republicans we're doing really well.

Speaker 15 (24:40):
If you're in line, Stay in line, don't let them
take you off that line.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Vote, Stay in the line. They can't do anything about it.
And vote.

Speaker 12 (24:48):
We're going to win it big, thank you.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
And as Scott just said, and as texts are telling
me right now, they have called Iowa for Donald Trump.
This is despite that poll that said that she was
going to win the woo Pole earlier this week. Donald
Trump's on fifty six percent against her forty two point
six percent, with fifty seven percent of the count in Iowa.
And that's his state.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
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Speaker 4 (25:13):
Certainty, very so, per senior political correspondence with us Now Barry.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Good afternoon, and what a wonderful afternoon it is. Look,
Donald Trump is such a wonderful man. The Americans have
a lot of faith in them. Clearly, the New York
Times is now saying that he'll be likely the likely
winner eighty five percent from the New York Times, and
that would give him two hundred and ninety seven electoral

(25:39):
College seats. He only needs two hundred and seventy. So look, so.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
We're going to find out tonight, aren't we.

Speaker 6 (25:46):
I would imagine if this trend continues, but don't forget
there's still a lot of counting to be done. And
you know the Democrat count always comes in late. So
this is certainly a reflection that Donald Trump's got a
pretty strong.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
So just explain to me, Barry, how big is the
rip in your ninety right now? How much do you
hate this? And are you going to accept that you
are firmly part of the political elite, aren't you?

Speaker 6 (26:18):
No, I wouldn't think so at all.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Lost so of loss it's going to happen.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
It wasn't deep analysis, as I said to you at
the start. It was I still can't believe that more
than half the population in America would go out and
vote for a man like Donald Trump. But you've got
to give it to Trump. He's extraordinary when you think
about his survivability. And I remember when I was there

(26:44):
in twenty sixteen, on the night, we're at the Clinton
headquarters because Trump canceled our invitation to his headquarters in
New York. So we went to Clinton.

Speaker 12 (26:54):
Yeah, and at about three.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
In the morning, John Podesta, who pain chairman, came out
told about four or five thousand people who had been
gathered all night. He had worked for her tirelessly in
the campaignmpaign that she wasn't going to concede defeat, and
so they started filing out. I talked to a number
of them. They were very disappointed, and to me, it

(27:18):
just goes to show the sort of person that Hillary
Clinton was the wrong Democrat to be put up. Same then,
on the way back to my hotel in the cab,
what did you do? She conceded defeat and I thought
it was despicable behavior. But Kamala Harris would, of course
she would. She's nothing like Hillary Clinton, and in a

(27:38):
way she was thrust into the job. You'd have to
say because of Joe Biden and.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
His didn't want U.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
No, no, you can't do that. But you know, the
idea of going out and getting another Democratic nominee in
the time that was available to them was pretty much.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
So what was the being did you agree to the
three thousand dollar bet with me?

Speaker 17 (27:58):
On?

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well?

Speaker 6 (27:59):
No, I've agreed to an number of bets hither and
I might be losing quite a lot of them. But look,
it's interesting if Donald Trump does win. I just looked
at the history books. There was a chap called Grover Cleveland.
Now he lost the White House in eighteen eighty two.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yes, then he was the only.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
President in history to come back four years later.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
So take a four year break and then down then
win again. He won the Trump now.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
Who won three subsequent elections. So is there for another
twelve years. I don't think Donald Trump's going to pull
that one off, but nevertheless he will become the first
and more than one hundred years.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
I don't think you're in any position to be making
any predictions today. Well, who knows, maybe Donald Trump does. Hey, Barry,
just back home quickly. What do you make of the tree,
the White Tonguey tribunal leaking, the fact that the Treaty
Principal's Bill is going to Parliament?

Speaker 6 (28:55):
Well, look, I think the White Tonguy tribunalist it hardly
comes as anything. You that they are quite political, And
I've got to say, in Parliament this afternoon it was
as though the bill had already been introduced, meaning that
the Prime Minister was in the hot seat, fielding questions
from the Maori Party co leader Rivalry Waite to tea,

(29:16):
with Chris Luxon saying the government will govern for all
New Zealanders. Any pretense though that the Waitangi Tribunal isn't
political has been removed by its actions on the bill.
But Luxon was adamant about National and the Government's position
when being questioned by YT.

Speaker 18 (29:33):
They've got a government that's here to advance outcomes for
Maori and non Mary.

Speaker 19 (29:38):
How can you sleep that night knowing that the violence
of the treaty principles built is going to have a discriminatory,
intergenerational impact on our.

Speaker 18 (29:48):
Mobbiner, I disagree with the characterization of that question.

Speaker 19 (29:50):
How many apologies as a state willing to make while
they continue to inflict violence and abuse on our people
whilst continuously breaching tidity.

Speaker 18 (29:59):
Or wait to again? I disagree with the characterization of
that statement.

Speaker 19 (30:03):
Oh can you stand in his house and support a
bill which the way Tangy Tribunal has described as quote
the worst did me emphasize the worst, most comprehensive breach
of the treaty to tility and modern time end quote?

Speaker 18 (30:18):
We're not supporting the bill in second reading he.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
Was sort of being worn down by the questions. I think,
and you know, it's a difficult situation for the National
Party to be in this note out about that. But
the way tangy tribunal. I think should reflect on the
position that it's played in all of this.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Barry, thanks very much, enjoy your evening. Enjoy your evening,
very sober senior political correspondence even away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Digging into the issues that affect you. The mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 20 (30:49):
Are you bullish or full of apprehension?

Speaker 21 (30:51):
All pretty good of it before we are.

Speaker 20 (30:53):
It is a pitiful mess for such a large, influential
and wealthy country.

Speaker 22 (30:57):
I'm hearing in Transylvania they want to have an answer
until two work three days from now.

Speaker 20 (31:03):
That's not true. Paper ballads are cumbersome and slow. Essentially,
he's full of bullshit, but a lot of the BS
is show and the Liberals won't see it. Back tomorrow
at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the Rain
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Speaker 1 (31:15):
Talk z B.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Here the thanks for the interview with Scott Brown. Big
difference to that moron Gilbert, who is with Mike this
morning to ask you that moron is going to be
with us Mark next because we're going to the Democrat
camp and we're going to the Republican camp to try
to get a sense from each of them as to
how they're feeling at the moment. On the New York
Times forecast, they are now forecasting that it's eighty seven
percent chance of victory to Trump. Likely that he wins

(31:38):
the next step up is very likely. So he's basically there,
and they are now they're estimating he's going to Remember
he needs two hundred and seventy Electoral College votes, they
are now calling that he will get three hundred. That
says to me that we find out tonight. We're not
waiting days for this outcome. We're going to find out tonight.
I think three hundred according to the New York Times.
And they also think he could take out the pop

(32:00):
vote as well, so that that's a mandate, isn't it.
Hither to answer your question as to how many commentators
could have called it so wrong, it's it's woke, lefty
media who think they can influence the outcome. Look, I
don't I think that that's there's an element of that,
but I don't think that's the whole thing. I think
part of what's going on here is, Look, Trump's offensive, right,

(32:20):
he is, He's gross, and he makes gross jokes and
he just says like he's outrageous. He says things that
are just clearly not true, and he does offensive things,
and he's a convicted felon, and he sort of offends
all of your sensibilities. And I just think that I
think that he I just think that It's like, it's
what Barry was trying to say before, he just can't
imagine that anybody would vote for this guy. But that's

(32:42):
failing to understand why people vote for this guy, right that,
because really the Democrats think the most important thing is
that you break a glass ceiling. You've got a black
woman there. Actually the most important thing is what is
this person going to do to make my life easier
so I can raise my children? And that's where Trump
just comes straight through and gives people the message. Anyway, listen,
we have lots to get through. This is a lot

(33:02):
happening over there also a lot happening in New Zealand.
So next we're off to the Republicans and Democrats and
then our unemployment number news talks edb.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
The folks are coming in. Who will lead the free
world for the next four years? It's hither duplass Ellen
drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected news talks edb.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
All right, good afternoon. It's looking like it's an uphill
battle for Kamala Harris from here, and pretty sweet for
Donald Trump. Donald Trump is leading in all of the
swing states bar one, which is Nevada because counting hasn't
actually started there yet. And it's a very happy time
at Trump HQ.

Speaker 14 (33:42):
You can hear at Donald Trump's favorite song, Ymca is
playing behind me, and certainly the audience here has gotten
a lot livelier in just the last forty five minutes
or so, Jake, We've been here for several hours, and
that matches the feeling back at mar A Lago, where
we are hearing from Trump campaign sources that they are
feeling a lot more. It's mystic about these numbers.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Political commentator Dominic caunters with us Dominic Heloi.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
Heather, good afternoon. Is so nice to be here with
you now.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
It is good to talk to you. I see New
York Times has got him on an eighty eight chance
of a win.

Speaker 22 (34:12):
Had you says yes, Well, Heather, I've been calling this
for a while because all indications were and I've been
covering politics for for some forty years. Kamala Harris has
not been the ideal candidate for the Democrats, and she
hasn't resonated exactly the way that they expected her to.

(34:35):
Case in point, she hasn't done and this may be
hard to believe, she has not done one news conference
as the Democratic nominee, and so the swing states. I
have not seen this much excitement in America in many,
many years, one way or the other. Whether you support Trump,
don't support Trump, whether you hate Trump, love Kamala Harris,

(34:57):
all indications are Heather as a right now, the votes
are still coming in, but as of right now, Trump
is doing exceedingly well in the battleground states. And world
get ready because it looks like Trump is coming back
for a second term.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Now, how on earth have we got this so wrong?
Once again? Not seeing that Trump was gonna win it.

Speaker 22 (35:21):
Well, some of us predicted it from day one. And
I'm not saying that to my own horn. I'm saying
that is because if you understand how much he's able
to resonate with people. The economy here in America, Heather
is bad.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Crime is bad.

Speaker 22 (35:38):
We have a migrant problem, a homeless problem. And Trump's
line Heather at every campaign event where he started with
was is your life better off now than it was
four years ago, And obviously the answer is it was
better under his tenure. So again, you know, things can change,
but I don't think it's going to He's headed back

(36:01):
to the White House. And with his supporters, many of
them have not told posters Heather whether or not they
were gonna support Trump. I don't know why they didn't
tell the posters, but you're correct, yet again, posters have
this wrong by all in every indication, it is a
strong possibility, really strong that he is headed back to

(36:24):
the White House.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Is anything going her way tonight, dominic? Because I looked
at the swing states that she had the lead in Pennsylvania, Michigan,
and I think it was Wisconsin. He's leading, you know,
that was the lead going into it. He's leading in
all of them. So is anything actually happening for her
this evening?

Speaker 22 (36:41):
No, And the clear sign of that, Heather, Her people
are not saying anything, not saying anything to the media,
trying to spend their side. Trump is even doing well
with African American black voters and Hispanic voters getting higher
numbers than the other Republican So that's something wrong. When

(37:02):
when the nominee for your party happens to be black,
and she can't resonate with with with her own race.
That it's it just didn't work, Heather, It did not
work for her. It was an experiment that went bad
and wrong for the Democrats, and they're learning the hard
way right now.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Compensated back, Dominic, thanks so much, mate, Enjoy the evening.
That's Dominic Carter, US political commentator, former Senate debate moderator. Now,
apparently things are not very nice at Kamala. HQ CNN says.
The vibes are a little bit low, and I think.

Speaker 23 (37:32):
The operative word right now is silence. There's not a
lot being sad because the Harris team appears to be
searching for a bright spot in the map as these
results very very solo.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
Now, Democrat and former US Ambassador to New Zealand Mark
Gilbert is at Howard University with Karmala's expected to speak
and back with us Mike Hallo and now are you
hearing that she's expected to speak potentially within the next
half hour.

Speaker 24 (37:59):
Yes, absolutely, I'm standing right where she's going to be speaking.
It's very loud, so I apologize for that in the background,
but I have to tell you what Dominic said was
about as far from the truth as it could be,
saying that Kamala Harris has not done a press conference.
He's talking to the press multiple times a day. Donald
Trump canceled her debate, Donald Trump wouldn't do sixty minutes.

(38:22):
Donald Trump wouldn't do town halls. I mean, I don't
know what Dominic was watching, but it's nothing, but you know,
far from the truth. He also talked about how crime
was up in America. Crime is way down since Donald
Trump was president. So you know, he's giving the New
Zealand people inaccurate facts and I think it's pretty disturbing.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Mack if she's speaking in the next half hour, is
it a CONCETIONI space.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
No, No, not at all.

Speaker 24 (38:47):
This was always scheduled to be at this time after
the polls called in the West Coast. All the states
that have been called so far were expected to go
to Donald Trump or Kamala Harris, all the battleground states.
The number are still coming in and people have short memories.
You know, Donald Trump came out and said he won
the election, you know, back in twenty twenty, and then

(39:08):
the votes to get count it later are Democratic votes.
So this race is still there. It was always going
to be a margin of the margin of error race,
and not a single battleground state has yet to been called.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Do you still hold hope, Mark, because it sounds like
it in the face of all of the evidence that
he is going to win tonight. He's ahead in the
electoral college vote. New York Times has got him winning
eighty eight percent. He's leading all the swing states that accounting.
You still think that something might come through for him.

Speaker 24 (39:37):
Heather, The New York Times had Hillary Clinton winning in
twenty sixteen. You know, during this period of time, there
hasn't been a single state that has been won or
lost by either candidate. Yet that wasn't expected, and people
forget Joe Biden. If you remember, Donald Trump came out
and claimed victory because he was ahead and all of

(39:59):
these out of ground states, but when the Democrat votes
were counted, many of the states the early vote is
not count until after the polls closed. And you know,
we are very helpful. We believe that's the blue wall holes.
We believe she's going to win the city of Omaha,
which is one electoral vote, yep. And all the Sunbelt

(40:20):
states are still in play we So the advantage that
Kamla Harris has is she has many different paths to victory.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Brilliant, Mike, listen, thank you so much. I really appreciate
it and looking forward to hearing from her. That's Mark Gilbert,
the former US Ambassador to New Zealand fourteen past five. Okay,
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past five. Now, unemployments risen from four point six percent
to four point eight percent in the September quarter. This
is slightly below what we were all expecting, including the

(41:50):
Reserve Bank at around five percent. Infametrics principal economist Brad
Olson is with us. Now, Hey, Brad, good evening. Why
is it coming less than expected? Is this because everybody's
gone off tozy? Not fully, but you're sort of on
the right track.

Speaker 25 (42:03):
It's not actually because the labor market is in that
great position and it's sort of not all bad news.
It's more that we've had a bunch of people that
haven't become what we'd define as unemployed. So we saw
around fourteen thousand fewer people in employment in the September quarter.
Of those fourteen thousand fewer in jobs, only five thousand

(42:23):
were counted as an increase in unemployment, So the remaining
nine thousand or so got into what we call the
not in labor force group, So, for various reasons, are
either not looking for work, they can't find work, they're
not available to start immediately. So although their unemployment number
not quite as high as we might.

Speaker 8 (42:40):
Have expected, realistically, still a lot of challenges out there's
still a difficult labor market, and looking through the numbers
you are starting to see over the last year definitely
more discouragement where people are not able to find jobs
and therefore they're not looking quite as much.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Now, how is this going to affect the OCR decision?
Does this totally scrap any hope of a seventy five
basis point cut?

Speaker 25 (43:00):
I don't know if it scraps any hope, but it
sure puts the dabner on it pretty significantly. Not only that,
but We also saw that when we got the labor
cost data that came out, it didn't drop by quite
as much as was expected either. Part of that because
those public sector pay increases still quite substantial. We had
the new police agreement that came into force in the
September quarter. But long story short, I think what it

(43:22):
probably does is that there was a lot of other
pretty weak economic data that's come out over the last
couple of months in similar this labor market data itself
maybe not quite as bad as expected.

Speaker 8 (43:32):
So fifty is still very much firmly on the table
in pole position.

Speaker 25 (43:36):
But ye're right, probably not quite as much expectation now
for that seventy five. It's just not as bad enough
to sort of pull that fire alarm yet.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
No, Hey, thank you very much. Brad really appreciated Brad
Alson Informetric CEO and principal economists. Hither that guy this
is it's obviously Mark Mark the Optimus Gilbert. That guy
needs to start betting. Karmela is at twenty one dollars
to one on Betfair. It's over Heather. OMG. That guy's
in total denial. The Dems are massively delusional. They handed
this one to Trump. Now, look, he's probably telling you

(44:05):
what he's hearing from within the Democratic camp, which is
basically where he is right now. Right he's at headquarters.
Harris's campaign manager has apparently sent a memo to all
staff and it's still full of optimism.

Speaker 23 (44:15):
E actually says Jake that the returns are coming in slowly.
They still see their path, but that path is largely
going to be through the Blue will.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
And they're also not expecting a result tonight.

Speaker 23 (44:28):
We are built for this, let's finish the night out.
We will see you tomorrow. They are not expecting this
to be wrapped up tonight.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
And in further bad news for Kamela unfortunately, AP which
calls a lot of things much earlier than anybody else.
They're doing massive data analytics and stuff like that. They
have just called North Carolina for come sorry for Donald Trump. Now,
this is one that North Kamala Harris was actually in
the earlier in the evening pretty optimistic about she thought
she was going to take this one out. It's gone
to Donnie fifty one percent against forty eight percent, and

(44:59):
that's with eighty nine percent to the votes Countess, there's
another swing state down and gone. Read five twenty one.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Heather Duplicy Allen digging into the results of the US
presidential election. It's Heather Duplicy Allen drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected the use dogs.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
That'd be five twenty four. By the way, I think
it's Fox answers it, Fox, Yeah, Fox, Fox is now
calling that looks like the Republicans are going to take
the Senate. They are on track to take the Senate
at the stage, so it's looking like Trumpy gets the presidency,
they get the Senate, and then the things start to
fall in line for the Republicans in a big way.
Just quick you back to the Treaty Principles Bill now.

(45:35):
Despite David Seymore's best efforts to pretend earlier on in
the show that there's absolutely nothing to see here, there
is no doubt. Don't buy it. There is no doubt
in my mind that the government is planning to introduce
the Treaty Principle's Bill tomorrow pretty much to try to
hide it because they know full well we're all going
to be completely obsessed and distracted by the US election,
and they know that if they get it out on

(45:55):
Thursday tomorrow, it's before the planned hkoy even sets off
on Monday's the hecoy against the bill, and so I
think that indicates that they're trying to kind of bury
the thing and get ahead of everything, and it shows
how much the hating the heat that they're getting for this. Look,
it's politics, right, I mean, it feels slightly underhand, it
feels a little bit cowardly, but it's politics, and it's
an option available to them, and you can't really begrudge

(46:16):
them for doing it. But I should don't even think
that's the most interesting thing that's going on here. I
think the most interesting thing is it the White Tonguey
Tribunal leaked the fact that the government was going to
do this. Apparently within an hour of getting a heads up,
a friendly little heads up from the government. They heard
it and they were like, tell everybody, what are these
guys doing? How naive can you possibly be? They are

(46:37):
pretty much at the White Tounguy Tribunal or by themselves
making a case for why they should be reformed like
New Zealand First wants to do. What they've done here
is that they have demonstrated just how unbelievably political they
now are. They are not a neutral body, right, They're
not just a neutral body sitting there doing their job
making decisions. They are actively taking on the government of

(47:00):
the day because they do not like the government of
the day. Now, that is weird to me, especially when
it comes to the Treaty Principal's Bill, because this is
a bill that's going nowhere. I mean, the Prime Minister
has already said the thing is going to die. He's
going to kill it. So why is the White Tongue
tri Tribunal even wasting what credibility they have trying to
kill a bill that's already gonna die. It feels like
a really weird hill to die on. And if they

(47:22):
carry on like this, they are going to die on
a hill because they will get reformed by New Zealand first,
because there will be a point of which we're all
completely convinced that too political. Yeah, it's about time. They've
already shown their political hand by doing weird things like
taking cases to adjudicate on government policy, which is kind
of outside their remit that they're having a crack at
the government over this spill before even seeing the spill.

(47:44):
But I think that this particular leak takes the cake
because there are a few things more political than a
political leak, and by doing this they have convinced me
that they actually do need to be reformed to put
them back in their lane together.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Do for ce Ellen, Okay.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
I'm going to get you across every it's still happening
with the US election as it comes in. Just a
quick heads up there. There has been a bit of
a twist in the drama over the Algerian boxer at
the Olympics and whether or not the boxer is a woman.
Now you'll remember this. It's being reported that that documents
have been leaked that show Amine Khalif is actually a
biological man. Her medical records from twenty twenty three shows

(48:20):
she doesn't have ovaries, she doesn't have a uterus. The
medical records come from French and Algerian expert endochronologists and
apparently IOC. Basically, what it shows is that she has
got what's known as five A reduct taste two deficiency,
which is a development that is outside the norm and
only happens in men. But when kids are born, they

(48:42):
are usually classified by the doctors as girls because the
testes are inside the bodies, so they are not obviously
to the naked eye boys. Blah blah blah. Anyway, so
she is apparently a man. According to these medical records,
she shouldn't have been boxing against girls. But what makes
this worse is that the IOC has known since May
last year, because they've had these medical documents in the
letter box. Anyways, and now there are calls obviously to
strip the gold medal. Watch the space headlines next.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Red or blue, Trump or Harrison? Who will win the
battleground states? To the latest on the US election is
Heather Duplicy allan drive with one.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
New Zealand let's get connected these talks. That'd be.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
All right, the Hudless standing by the sevening. We've got
two people who are very interested in American politics, Tim
Wilson and Morris Williams, and they're going to talk us
through what they think. And Jeremy Hutton of Milford Asset
Management will give us the market reaction because at this
stage the markets will be most likely pricing in a
Trump victories. Will have a chat to them about that
very quickly. There is something weird going on with Westpac

(49:47):
now west Pack. Apparently they've introduced these climate targets. They
want to force dairy farmers to reduce their emissions. But
apparently they're going harder on our dairy farmers than they
are on OSSI dairy farmers. I'm gonna running through those
details before six o'clock and then we'll have a chat,
I think to federat a farmers actually about that after
six twenty three away from six.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Heather due to see Allen.

Speaker 6 (50:07):
But it looks like.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
North Carolina has fallen to Donald Trump. This is the
first of the hotly contested battleground states. It's been called
by ap for him. Trump is so far leading all
other swing states bar Nevada because counting hasn't started the yet.
Polster John Zogby has been watching the numbers roll in
all night and he's with us.

Speaker 12 (50:22):
Hey, John, Yes, Hi, how are you.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
I'm very well, thank you.

Speaker 16 (50:25):
Now.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
We just had Mark Gilbert from the Democrats on with
us about half an hour ago, arguing that there are
still paths to victory for Kamala Harris. Can you see them?

Speaker 12 (50:34):
Yeah, there is a past to victory.

Speaker 21 (50:36):
It is getting narrower, to be honest with you. However,
in terms of the popular vote, which is still important. California,
the big Kahuna has not been counted yet, and Joe
Biden had a five million vote differential there, So I
would kind of discount the widelya that Donald Trump has

(50:56):
in the popular vote. But losing North Carolina was a
major blow. I don't know that the Harris folks were
necessarily expecting to win North Carolina, but it's a big state,
sixteen electoral votes, and it now makes it a bit
tougher for her to win. Now where things stand, she

(51:19):
needs to win what we call the blue Wall Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 12 (51:28):
Two of those are real possibilities.

Speaker 21 (51:31):
That would be Wisconsin and Michigan. But Pennsylvania.

Speaker 26 (51:36):
God knows when we're going to know about Pennsylvania, I
mean Pennsylvania.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
He's got a lead of fifty one according to AP
fifty one to her forty eight with seventy nine percent
of votes county. Can you see her flipping that?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Well?

Speaker 21 (51:50):
You know, what we do know is that typically in
most states, the smaller rural counties have fewer votes to count,
and they get their votes in much more quickly. So
it's the bigger cities in this instance, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh
to some degree, Scranton and Allentown, smaller cities, but those

(52:16):
are democratic places and their votes are are not entirely
in yet UH. And then there are the early votes,
the mandatory vote count and so I'm not betting on
anything right now, but it does look like a very

(52:36):
much more narrow path for Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
That Iowa poll that we got a few days ago
that really sent a shockwave through the campaign. Can we
call that a rug?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Now?

Speaker 21 (52:48):
Well, we thought that it was going to be, you know,
where it was possible.

Speaker 12 (52:54):
That's a very good pollster.

Speaker 21 (52:55):
They're really one of the platinum standards an Seltzer, who
pulls Iowa. We do know that she revealed women's vote
was heavily in favor of Donald of Kamala Harris, and
a lot of it have to do with abortion and
fear of a Trump presidency. We also know that the

(53:21):
early votes have not been counted yet, and there was
a differential of eleven points more women voting in UH
in early votes than men voting in early votes. So,
in short, this thing is not over yet.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
When John, when would you say it's over? What is
the thing that you got? Okay, that's what I give up?
Trump wins?

Speaker 21 (53:50):
Well, you know I was looking closely at North Carolina.
But if there is a loss in uh in Michigan
for count my Harrison, I think it's going to be
that may be a bell weather at this point.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Okay, John, it's good to talk to you. Thank you
very much, as John Zogby Polster, Michigan. At this stage,
very early day, well not very early day's still early days,
though middling early days. I suppose thirty eight percent of
the vote counted. Donald Trump's on fifty one point seven percent.
She Karmala Harris is on forty six point six percent,
nineteen away from six.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
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Speaker 4 (54:30):
On the huddle of me this evening, we've got Morris
Williams and Auckland Councilor, former US Consul General, and Tim
Wilson Maxim Institute, former US correspondent for TV ands that
how are you two?

Speaker 27 (54:38):
Good afternoon?

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Hi there now Morris.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
When John was just saying that he still sees a
path for Carmela, you shook your headway.

Speaker 27 (54:45):
I just don't think it's possible. The percentages have closed
down so much the eighties percents of the vote are in.
He's talking about Allantown and Pittsburgh, but there's a county
there called Northampton, right by Allentown. I was watching Northampton before.
It's a really interesting one. Like Arie on the other side,
it went both times with Obama, it then went with Trump,

(55:07):
and it then went with Biden and.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
Trump is one north that's a bell Weather, is it.

Speaker 27 (55:12):
It's a very bell Weather county within Pennsylvania, and so
is Aerie. So I just think there would have to
be some boxes of ballots hidden somewhere underneath the tables
now for it to not be a final Trump win.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
I mean, I've been reluctant to say things like that
out loud. Tim, given the circumstances, what do you think,
do you see any chance that she takes it?

Speaker 28 (55:33):
It's getting harder and harder, isn't it. And I think
your reference to Fox News calling the Senate, I think
that's really indicative because that determines the mood of the
nation in a way that you know, this discussion, was
it going to be Karmela or Trump? I don't like Trump,
blah blah blah. All of the personnelities taken out of
it but when you look at the House and Senate,

(55:54):
I think that's a fascinating that's the fascinating sort of contest.
I think Karmala always had a problem because, as a
very smart person framed it the other day, she's saying, oh,
I'm the change person, but she's an incumbent. So there
just seems to be a structural paradox there that we're
seeing evidence of.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Now.

Speaker 27 (56:15):
I've been on the rough end of that pineapple in
nineteen ninety nine. I would sit up at Premiere House
with Jenny Shipley. Our polling was showing we were down
the toilet, so we would announce the next day some
things that would help get us back in the game.
And two nights later the polling come in and we
dropped another three points. When you're on that tide of
its time to go, it just sweeps you no matter
what track, right track is all you need to do.

(56:37):
And she didn't distance herself enough from incumbency. If she'd
come out and said, look, I was only a vice
president and you're not allowed to say anything. I didn't win.
Joe Biden became the president. I was only his running mate.
But I can tell you there was heaps of things
he said and did I disagreed with I would have
changed if I'd been the president, and if he had
left earlier, I would have made that Joe. She could
have tried to distance herself, but she actually said she

(56:58):
supported everything that he's Yeah, and that means she was
part of the incumbent track. And I think I sent
you a text well earlier today. There's just not possible
for him for her to win. When people are desperate
for change, they're hurting in their pocket book, they're hurting
in their bank account, they're hurting in their mortgage. Right,
the economy. Every one of the polls I saw on

(57:18):
see an end of the day number one was always
the economy.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
It always is.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
I like you what.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
I like that both of you guys. Before you carry on, Tim,
I just want to give both of you props. Okay,
both of you made sure that you got your predictions
on record into me early So two o'clock this afternoon,
Morris texts me and says, I believe Trump will win
the selection and reasonably comfortably. And Tim, when did you
text me? Was it last night?

Speaker 28 (57:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Last night, Yeah, last night, seven twenty two you said
I'm picking the result will surprise many commentators. At two
to three percent shift will make a significant dent. And
I said to you, as Trump you pick, you are like, yep, clean,
clear result either way. So there you go, both of
you there geniuses. You're both better than most of the
posters in the States. Trump Trump Tim.

Speaker 28 (57:59):
Sorry, hey, listen, I just I just spent the afternoon
with him once, so please don't mistake me for Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
And was in person as he seems on Telly.

Speaker 28 (58:09):
No, No, he was.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
He was.

Speaker 28 (58:11):
He was a new He was a New York real
estate guy. He was a charming He was a charming,
charming fellow. Interesting fact about Donald Trump, though, when you
meet he's always late.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
You're waiting for him. You're waiting, you're waiting.

Speaker 28 (58:23):
And when you meet him, he comes in and he
does the power handshake. You know, the power handshake is that,
and you're on the bottom and it goes on and
on and yeah, firm squeeze. But he's a he's a germophobe,
so he hates touching strangers, but he likes the power.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Why this is creeping me out so much?

Speaker 12 (58:47):
All right, creeping me out?

Speaker 5 (58:49):
Doing it?

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Relive it, all right? And did he have small hands,
because did he have small hands as well?

Speaker 28 (58:55):
No, no, not that I recall.

Speaker 16 (58:56):
That's that's the myth.

Speaker 27 (58:57):
They all say his hands are very well.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
Well, I mean it's always possib that Tim also has
small hands, could be and so relative to each other.

Speaker 27 (59:03):
You can give us a report when we come back
after the break right size of your hands?

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Please, thank you, break record.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
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Speaker 4 (59:15):
Ap by the way, has just called Virginia for Karmala Harris.
Nevada has just been called for Donald Trump by Fox News.
And also remember apparently Karmala Harris was supposed to be
speaking within half an hour. We're outside that half an
hour bracket at the moment and she hasn't started speaking yet.
So we'll keep you posted if that actually does happening.
You back with the Huddle, Morris Williamson and Tim Wilson. Morris,

(59:36):
what do you make of the White Tangy Tribunal just
back home here quickly leaking the fact that the Treated
Principal's Bill is going to Parliament tomorrow.

Speaker 27 (59:43):
Well, I think it's disgraceful. I think the White Tangy
Tribunal really has to answer for what it's done. It's
clear they have leaked it out after they were given
the date. I actually don't think there is a plot
for bringing it forward for any reason. I was a
minister with a whole lot of portfolio, is trying to
get legislative time. Sometimes the LEDs Committee would say you're
on tomorrow, and so I haven't even got my speech right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Oh but Morris, come on, where all the whole world.
I agree with you on that, But the whole world
like this is when you bury bad news TV and
z it has just announced fifty people are going to
lose their jobs on election day for a reason, And
whatever happens tomorrow is being done for a reason because
it's buried by the US election.

Speaker 27 (01:00:21):
Yeah, well, I look, I go with the Moldoon line.
He used to say, if you have to choose between
the conspiracy theory and the cockup, always go with a cockup.
And that's what I think. But I'm a big fan
of the bill. I actually am sorry the NATS are
opposed to it because me too.

Speaker 12 (01:00:37):
I tell you the.

Speaker 27 (01:00:38):
Problem I had while I was a minister, I'd put
some papers together, getting a bill together, and I'd write
what I wanted done, and then i'd have official saying,
problem as minister, that could be in breach of some
of the principles of the treaty, and I'd say, oh,
can I get a copy of the principle so I
can work through them and see where I'm Well, they're
not that clearly, they're not written down. I said, so,
then how do I know what they are? Well, they've

(01:00:58):
been made by a number of judges and by the
White Tangy trim and it's really not clear. And I said, well,
hang on, how would you ever play a game of
rugby if you didn't have a rule book? You get
the rule book. No, you can't pass the ball forward,
that's fine, can't tackle the man without the ball. So
I know how to play rugby. But if they said,
I'm not telling you what the rules are, now go
and play. So I think it's a damn good thing.
And I thought it would be welcomed by everybody, including

(01:01:19):
Mariy that we know exactly what is the Treaty of
White Town. This idea we're trying to rewrite the treaty.
No one's doing that. The treaty is starting, the treaty
is not being touched. Yea, But what are the principles
and where did they come from? And who had the
right to decide them? Because of one judge somewhere who
decided these are this is a principle of the treaty.

Speaker 12 (01:01:39):
Why does he have.

Speaker 27 (01:01:40):
That right as opposed to a parliament that's elected and
so on. So I'm disappointed in that's and not backing
it at least a little bit further. But they're clearly
not They clearly.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Said well there, but cowardly on the subject. I think
what do you make of it? Tim?

Speaker 28 (01:01:55):
Yeah, look, I said, I think we need to be
able to because even at chriss Hipkins, I think Rasena
last year said that Labor hadn't brought people with them
on this issue. So this is what I think David
Seymour is trying to do. At least, let's have the discussion.
And it's going to be painful. It's like a kind
of national adolescence. They'll be pimples, they'll be passed, but

(01:02:15):
I think we'll be more developed for it. So I
think it's I think it's a positive because you can't
move anywhere if you don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 27 (01:02:23):
And the one thing I get confused about is I'm
being told how dreadful it is. And just like saying, oh,
you can't give me a rule booker for rugby, you
can't give me a rule book for now, you're saying, well,
we would then have a guide that everyone had signed
up to, that it has been passed through Parliament, and
we would know what we could bring, and then ministers
wouldn't say, well, I'd like to do this, but does
it breach the principles because I don't know what they

(01:02:43):
are and no one will show them to me.

Speaker 8 (01:02:45):
I just don't.

Speaker 28 (01:02:46):
I want to make sure that we're yeah, what's wrong.
I want to make sure that we need to be
able to bring Mary with us with along on this,
on this hiding of this journey, so that I think
that's the important part of it. But yeah, it's part of.

Speaker 27 (01:03:00):
I'm not a parst of that. I think that's vital
that everyone's bored along with us. But I would have
thought that a really good debate sensible and said, well,
actually that's just too radical, that's not what you can.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Fox is called the Senate for the Republicans. Morris I
make I think you make a very good point, and
I think so do you, Tim about Actually I'm taking
taking everybody with but let's not let's not assume that
Mary arenecessarily all represented by the Marty Party.

Speaker 16 (01:03:24):
Correct, absolutely, song and dance about it.

Speaker 12 (01:03:26):
Absolutely, because you don't.

Speaker 28 (01:03:27):
You don't want to. You don't want to make assumptions
about us, like who are Mary?

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Who are parkingher?

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
Exactly? Yeah, because we don't all think like a lady
politician doesn't necessarily represent me just because she's a lady.

Speaker 27 (01:03:36):
But my current cabinet's got more mara than any cabinets ever.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
Had quite a very good point. Guys, listen, thank you.
We're gonna have to leave it there. I really appreciate
your insights. That's a huddle this evening, Morris Williamson and
Tim Wilson.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
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Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
These talks'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
If five away from six now. Fox News, as we
were just saying, has called the Senate for the Republicans.

Speaker 29 (01:04:05):
Fox Nears projects that the Republicans will take control of
the United States Senate. The party will hold at least
fifty one seats, which is enough for an outright majority.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
And bitcoin has jumped to a record as chances of
a Trump victory gross. The price of bitcoin is now
at seventy five thousand dollars. That's up from the previous
all time I have seventy three thousand dollars. Markets are
expecting a lot of volativity for volatility sorry from a
Trump where we're going to talk to Jeremy Hutton from
Milford Asset Management straight after the news about that. As
I was telling you about Westpac and the farmers. Now,

(01:04:38):
Patrick Smalley's written an excellent piece for Business Desk and
if you are into this kind of thing, I recommend
digging it up in which he basically asks what is
the point of the banking inquiry at Parliament, which is
kind of what we've been talking about on the show,
Like what is the point of these backbench National Party
and piece goingham? How much do you earn? How much
do you end? I don't care. I don't care. That's

(01:04:59):
in the annual. I don't need you to have a
parliamentary inquiry to find that out. But maybe this is
a thing that they can get themselves stuck into. Westpac
apparently is being tougher on the dairy farmers in New
Zealand than the dairy farmers in Australia when they demand
reductions and climate emissions. So when Westpac reported it's big
profit a couple of days ago, it also announced its
targets for reducing emissions. Now this is important because it

(01:05:21):
starts to impact, like if they give you finance. If
they finance you, then they expect the stuff off you
and then what happens do they stop financing if you're
a baddie with the climate and stuff like that. They
are harder on our farmers than the Aussies. The Bank's
twenty thirty target for the Australian dead dairy farmers is
zero point eighty five tons of CO two equivalent per

(01:05:43):
ton of fat protein corrected milk. So the Assies are
being slapped with a expectation of zero point eight five tons,
But for New Zealand dairy farmers the expectation is zero
point seven to five tons, which is quite a lot difference,
and apparently the same thing is being done by Westpac
to our beef and our sheep, which doesn't seem fair.
Feels like the Banking Inquiry might want to ask some

(01:06:04):
questions about that. When Katherine McGrath appears in about two
weeks time before them CEO of Westpac. Obviously two point
two million dollars, don't bother asking. We already know and
we're going to talk to Richard McIntyre of Federated Farmers
about that very shortly. News Talks dB.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
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Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
All right, even in coming up in the next hour,
we're going to talk to Federated Farmers very shortly about
wes Pac, Tim Grosser, former US and a former New
Zealand ambassador rather to the US and what the Trump
president see will mean for US most likely outcome. And
also Thomas problems at Carmela's headquarters, so we'll check in
with him in half an hour just to see how
miserable they are its eight past six now with us
right now is Jeremy Hutton of Milford Asset Management even

(01:07:11):
in Jeremy, good evening, Heather, can you to me? They've
just set the scene a little bit for how markets
have been trading pre election.

Speaker 30 (01:07:18):
Yeah, just a bit of context to our starting point. So,
financial markets in a few weeks before the election had
started to put on some trades that were perceived as
more pro Trump or factoring in a Trump win. And
effectively this was a reinflation trade. So you saw US
bond yields or interest rates starting to rise steadily. This
was linked to concerns about an increase a further increase

(01:07:40):
in the US government budget deficit, obviously highly negative already
but proceed to get worse under Trump. Effectively, those corporate
tax cuts contributing to the deficit rising further, Bitcoin that's
rarely really strongly, that seen as a pro Trump trade.
And then the flow on effect from these high bond
yields or interest rates is a strong US particularly the

(01:08:01):
other currencies, including the New Zealand dollar, so good for
our exports. And then finally higher tariffs that Trump talks about. Again,
financial markets believing that these are inflationary, and that's impacted
you know, the Chinese room and be Mexican peso euro
all all falling in anticipation of these tariffs, and you
know the negative impacts that these might have on their

(01:08:22):
respective economies.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
Right now, Jeremy, it looks like Trump's going to win,
but you know, we haven't had a final count, so
there is an element of uncertainty. And this how's the
market reacted so far?

Speaker 30 (01:08:33):
Yeah, I mean markets will hate that uncertainty, you know,
you know, they'll prefer a landslide in either direction. But
it doesn't look like it's going to happen just yet.
But effectively, a few, a few of the items I've
been watching, you know, you're right now to term or
positive to Trump. You know, US security markets are closed
given the time zone, but the futures are always trading.
The Nazdak, the tech GIV Nazdak and the S and

(01:08:56):
P five hundred are up one percent, and that's sort
of steadily gained through afternoon as the results have come through.
Asian markets, Japan has been really strong over two percent.
That's sort of seen as an anti China moved there.
Hong Kong down over two percent and career down as
well on that tariff risk. But I think the big
moves have the newest bond yields ever are still up

(01:09:17):
sharply again. And the currency, the US dollars strong across
the board as well. His own dollar down over one
percent versus usd and bitcoin doing really well up up
seven percent as we speak right now.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
Have we seen any impact on the Intertex or Inzed companies.

Speaker 30 (01:09:35):
Yeah, the Injets company should be relatively well insulated. There's
no direct exposures to the US election. The only company
that has got some discussion is Infertile, and that's because
one of its largest portfolio companies, Long Road Energy, is
a large renewable builder in the US that has benefited
a bit from the Inflation Reduction Act under Biden. So

(01:09:58):
any potential reform type that with a strong Republican vote
could impact in Fortil at the margins. But other than that,
exporters you know will be favored with the week in
New Zealand dollar and your dairy prices is very strong overnight,
which will help as well.

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
And then what about Ozzie companies AZI listed companies.

Speaker 30 (01:10:16):
Yeah, so remember the A six The Aussie market is
seen as the easy way to access China or some
China proxies and financial markets are thinking, you know, Trump win,
that's bad for the Chinese economy with these tariffs coming in.
So Trump win could hit some of those resource names
in Australia iron Ore in particular, so the HP Leo Tinto,

(01:10:37):
but at the moment they're largely trading flat, so shragging
that off. And then the other one is the Australian
banks on the flip side, so they've been really strong
in twenty twenty four on that weeker China trade, so
you could see a bit more bidding up off the
OSSI banks.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
Jeremy, good to talk to you, mate, thanks so much
for running us for as Jeremy Hutton of Milfed Act
Management over at Harris's. This is Kmon Harris's past at
Howard University. They have turned off the broadcasts of CNN.
And the reason they've turned off the broadcast of CNN
is because the cheers and the crowd have become less
frequent because the results are coming in showing its very
tight race on victories for Trump, and so it's basically

(01:11:13):
killing the mood. And instead they've done is they have
put on very high energy remixes and floodlights in ten pots.
Try to hype the crowd and maybe this is an
anticipation of her coming out, or maybe it's just I
don't know, try and make people feel good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Twelve past six, Heather Duplessyl Right now, as.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
I was telling you, Westpac has set tougher climate targets
for our dairy farmers in New Zealand than it has
for their Oussie counterparts. So they want to reduce the
emissions of all the dairy farms by ten percent. This
is the ones they finance by twenty thirty. So the
Ossie farmers need to get their emissions down to zero
point eight five tons of carbon per ton of milk,
but Krewe farmers need to get theirs down to zero
point seventy five, which is a lot lower. Richard McIntyre

(01:11:54):
as the banking spokesperson for Federated Farmers and with us. Now,
hey Richard, Hey, Heather, why are they doing this?

Speaker 31 (01:12:01):
Oh look, it's a case of over each and double
standards unfortunately from the banks.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Yeah, look, you know, we really.

Speaker 31 (01:12:08):
Do question why exactly why they would be wanting to
do this. You know, what's the bank's place being involved
in setting emissions targets for anyone in all reality, you know,
as farmers, we've already got the government sitting targets for us,
and we've also got our processes and meat companies sitting
targets for us. So what's the bank's place within this?

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
It makes no sense.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Yeah, I agree with you on that. But what is
their argument for why they're going harder on KIW dairy farmers?
Is it because they are saying it's a ten percent
cut for each and a ten percent cut just lands there?
Is that what it is?

Speaker 31 (01:12:37):
Yeah, that's right, So I guess they're trying for the
same amount of reduction across both industries. But the fact
of the matter is we're so much more efficient than
the Australian dairy farmers are and so we've already pulled
so many leavers that there are to be pulled through
the efficiency gains that we've had, and it's a lot
harder for us to make these reductions. So it's really

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just a case of double stands from the banks.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Okay, have they explained this to you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
No, not very well.

Speaker 31 (01:13:04):
We're still waiting for a little bit more detail as
to exactly why they've done it like this, how they
expecting us to be able to achieve that that, and
probably more importantly, exactly how they intend to enforce it.
You know, are they going to begin putting excessive pressure
on farmers that are struggling to pull enough leavers to
meet their targets? Is it going to put more stress
on farming families?

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
Yeah, well, what's the most likely way of enforcement? Isn't
it to just pull the loan or not give the loan?

Speaker 31 (01:13:31):
Look exactly. You know, the Banking Inquiry shows that, you know,
farming families are under so much pressure from banks at
the moment due to various factors, and this is yet
another one that the banks are putting on farmers which
is really just very unfair.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Is the Banking Inquiry going to get into this?

Speaker 31 (01:13:48):
I really hope so, it's Sydney in our submission. You know,
I think all the discussion about CEO's salaries is really
just a side show, and you know, I really hope
the Banking Inquiry or the Select Committee focus on issues
like this so that we can dig down into it,
understand why, and really hold the banks to account around this,
because you know, it serves no benefit beyond, you know,

(01:14:11):
virtue signaling. As far as I'm concerned, May, I'm with.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
You on this.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
Thank you very much. Richard McIntyre, Federated Farmer's Banking spokesperson. Listen,
I got a lot of Textsman Morris Williamson was on
the show before, and I want to get some of
them to you, So I'm going to do it before
this half hours through, but I need to give you
an update on what's happening with the election results rolling in.
Carmala Harrison in terms of the numbers that she is
getting in the Electoral College has closed the gap with
Donald Trump. So he's sitting on two thirty. She's sitting

(01:14:35):
on two ten, and remember they have to get to
two seventy. Now, the three states that everybody's keeping a
very close eye on because these are the states that
can help her out and if she loses them then
she's absolutely stuffed are Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. In Wisconsin,
most of the votes have been countered that three quarters
of the way through. Now Trump's on fifty one, She's
on forty seven, so he is likely at the stage

(01:14:58):
to take Wisconsin, but there's an outside chance for her Michigan,
just about half the votes have been counted. He's on
fifty two, she's on forty six. She still has a
chance there because anything can happen with half the votes
yet to count. Pennsylvania, eighty six percent of the votes
have been counted. He's on fifty one, she's on forty eight.
So chances are he takes it. But if she gets
some of those big ballots coming through, maybe there's an

(01:15:18):
outside chance. The New York Times is calling it now
a ninety percent chance of Donald Trump winning with three
hundred and one Electoral College votes and still has them
on track to win the popular vote. The impact of
a Donald Trump presidency on New Zealand is now the
thing we're interested in. Tim Grosser will talk us through

(01:15:40):
that next sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
They'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
I listen, Thomas Coglan just a reminder will be with
us out of Kamela Harris hq in. I'm just shy
of thirty minutes now it's at the moment nineteen past six,
New Zealand businesses are waiting with bated breath to see
who's going to become the president in the US. And
obviously it looks like Donald Trump is going to take it.
Tim Grosser is a former trade minister and former ambassador
to the US and with US now. Tim, thanks for

(01:16:17):
being with us. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (01:16:18):
Pleasure.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
Do you see this coming?

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Well?

Speaker 26 (01:16:23):
I saw the data and studied the data very very carefully,
and in particular the ninety three electoral College votes in
the seven swing states, all of which had up until
about a week ago, Trump marginally leading, and for sophisticated
reasons that political scientists much better in form than me
could tell you a consistent tendency to underestimate Trump. I

(01:16:47):
thought it was more likely he would win. But I
didn't say it's going to be a Trump walkover. But
I thought the numbers implied what appears to be playing
out on the screen. The other broader point I've been
making is, you know you can beat You can do
a granular dive into data in elections, or you can
look at the bigger picture. And to me, the issue

(01:17:08):
is if you are the incumbent, and the underlying mood
of the New Zealand electorate, or the British electorate or
the American electorate is this is no time to change horses.
You're in good check. If it's throw the bums out,
you're in trouble no matter who you are. And I
have used this analogy, real world analogy before. I asked

(01:17:28):
my father when I was eighteen years old and he
was old enough to vote. He was born in London,
old enough to vote for the first time in nineteen
forty five, and Winston Churchill was standing on his record.
You cannot get a better record for an incumbent than
having saved Western civilization. I'm sorry, so I said, Dad,
did you vote for Winston? And he said, ah, no,

(01:17:50):
we were appreciative of what Winston had done, but we
want to change. So my argument has been to a
few people. If Winston Bloody Churchill cannot withstand the mood
for change, no politician can. So I mean, I think
there'll be some really interesting and bitter stuff happens within

(01:18:10):
the Democratic Party as this unfolds if he wins. But
the cardinal mistake they made was to screw up the
selection process and put in a candidate that was never
going to succeed in presenting herself as a candidate to change.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
You think they should have had I had an open contest,
not just.

Speaker 26 (01:18:28):
To oh yeah, but I mean, look, we'll wait and
see how this pans out in terms of the internal
debate in the Democratic Party. But the original mistake probably
is about two years ago. Because I agree that Gavin Newsom,
the governor of California, and the person that I think
has got amazing political talent in the United States, who

(01:18:48):
is Gretchen Whitmore, the governor of Michigan. I mean, either
of those would have been able to present it as
a brilliant candidate, a candidate of change without dumping all
over the Biden administration. They never had a chance. After
the debuk of the Trump Biden debate.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
Tim, listen, have you got a minute if I take
a break now to come back to you. Absolutely hang about,
don't go anywhere. Six to twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
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What will be the impact?

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Speaker 14 (01:19:22):
That'd be right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
We're back with Tim gross A, former trade minister, former
ambassadors to the US. Tim. So, let's assume that Donald
Trump becomes the president. Most likely outcome at the moment
he has the Senate, he also has the House. He
can do everything he wants. Does he go ahead with
the tariffs quickly?

Speaker 26 (01:19:36):
Well, he'll certainly try. There are massive problems which he,
of course is completely unaware of. I mean, I simply
don't believe for one minute he can implement the full
force of what he's proposing, which would be utter madness
and do enormous damage to the American people if he
tried to do it. Don't forget this. Fifty percent of
the imports coming into the United States are what to

(01:19:57):
call intermediate goods, meaning ain't sort of sausages and cell phones.
It's the things that go into make sausages like New
Zealand meat, and the things that go into make handphones.
And you increase the price of those, what the hell
do the companies who are buying these so called intermediate
goods do. They'll pass the costs on, of course they will.

(01:20:20):
And the idea that suddenly there's going to be American
companies that say, oh, we can produce all the bits
that go into the handphone. Do you really think commercially
they're going to take that risk when they know there's
retaliation coming down. So this is this is not going
to work. But as he follows this absurd policy, you
can break a lot of stuff in the process.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
Do you think, though, that he's open to having to
being changed on it?

Speaker 26 (01:20:43):
Does he s try? Yes, yes, he is open, And
this is I mean the classic example of this is
You've got this gigantic FTA called the NAFTA that unites
the Mexican, Canadian and US economies, and over twenty years,
supply chains have grown up of great complexity. Trump becomes

(01:21:04):
the president's with the same protectionist mindset, says this agreement
is the worst agreement that mankind has ever seen on
the planet. I'm going to smash it. Then he gets
kind of pressure from Justin Trudeau and from the Mexicans.
Then he's forced to backtrack. A renegotiation takes place, which
is now quote, the greatest trade agreement that has ever

(01:21:26):
been negotiated, eighty five percent of which is identical to
the old one. So in that sense, yes, you are right.
He will face a lot of pushback, not just externally
but internally to this. So I think the net how
I net this out? It's all bad. It's not going
to be literally the full Monty that he's put on

(01:21:48):
the table. But there's no good can come out of this.
It's just a question of how bad is it going
to be on there. But look, that's not my overarching
concern right now. My overarching concern is much bigger than
trade and he can which is what it's the international
security situation because.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
So hes he delays, bad things happen.

Speaker 26 (01:22:07):
But first of all, we've got a massive immediate problem
on our hands if he's the president, because everyone knows
that's where the US is going under a Trump administration.
And we've got two months of the lamb duck period
where technically the gravely weakened Biden Harris presidency is still
in charge of the United States. Meanwhile, we've got a

(01:22:28):
war in Europe and a war in the Middle East,
which are the most serious wars that we've seen threatening
global peace and stability in seventy years in my personal opinion. So,
and the other thing is this heather that both of
the key to decision makers putin and NITNYA who are
watching Trump above all else for their decision do I

(01:22:50):
escalate or do I negotiate?

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
Not Tim, thank you will have to leave it there.
I could talk forever with you, Tim Gross. The headline's next.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
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Speaker 11 (01:23:12):
Us right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
We'll have Gavin Gray out of the UK shortly.

Speaker 25 (01:23:24):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
An interesting thing is happening. Okay, this is reed Georgia.
No network who has oh, CNN has just called Georgia.
I'm glad you told me that, Laura of the producer,
because I was just about to say, no network has
called the outcome of the Georgia election yet, obviously except
for CNN. And this is one of the swing states
where it is still very close. Interestingly, though, Georgia Secretary

(01:23:46):
of State Brad Rathensburger said this in a press conference.

Speaker 21 (01:23:49):
Also, if you look at who's leading the rest right now,
Donte Trump has an insurmountable lead, with a number of
books outstanding.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
And the reason he's saying it's insurmountable. Listen to what
CNN has said about this important information in Georgia.

Speaker 9 (01:24:03):
I'm getting from Gabriel Stirling, the top election official there.
The margin right now in Georgia is one hundred and
eighteen thousand votes right. One hundred and thousand votes are
outstanding right now.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
So if his leader is one hundred and eighteen thousand
votes and they have one hundred thousand to count, there's
no way even if she won every single one of
those votes, he would still be leading by eighteen thousand,
impossible for her to win. Therefore, he gets it. So
according to CNN, remember they have to get to two seventy.
He's on two four six, two hundred and forty six,
she's on one hundred and eighty two. He needs another
twenty four Electoral College votes, and he's over the line,

(01:24:37):
and he takes the thing twenty two away from seven. Okay,
we're hearing, we're just gonna go straight to Thomas. Why
not that little thingy thing didn't work? We're hearing. Kamala Harris,
by the way, is not planning on speaking tonight. Donald
Trump is on his way to his party. Thomas Coglin
is at the Kamala Harris HQ. Hey Thomas, Hey, Ever,

(01:24:58):
what's the vibe I heard that they can all to
see an inn feed and the pumping the music to
trying to hype you guys up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Yeah, that pumping Adele Heather who comes to dele to
get people hyped up?

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Is it a sad adele song? Or is it like
a happy breakup song?

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Well, it's rolling, it was rolling in the deeps, which
it's it's just like it's upseeat but the lyrics coming
grim yep, you know, yep. So I have to say
it didn't work. But what I'm looking at right now
is so the bit in front of the stage with
Kamala Harris was due to speak that better, the that
that bit of the university who had been empty most
of the night. In about eleven o'clock, Kamala Harris's campaign

(01:25:34):
staff filed into getting radio. I suppose maybe the here speak,
maybe a couple of hundred of them filed in or
wearing MVP lanyards. I'm now watching them file out again.
A lot of those, a lot of those campaign staff
appear to be sort of giving up now whether that's
that's definitely an indication that she's not speaking tonight. That
does sort of feel like I'm hitting that way. You know,

(01:25:54):
I don't even know that, but regardless, I'm watching maybe
fifty or sixty campaign staff just leave elsewhere in the university.
There maybe a couple of thousand students students here, and
they are just quiet. You know, have you ever seen
two thousand students be absolutely definitely quiet?

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
What does this tell you, Thomas? Is this like an
acceptance that it's all over and there is no chance?
Or or is it like, is there just the outside
of people believing there's an outside chance?

Speaker 28 (01:26:22):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
I I mean, look look at studentalistically, you've got to
look at those numbers and say, like, credibly, credibly, there
is a there is a tiny path to victory for
Kamala Harris, but obviously it's pretty narrow, and it looks like,
by far and away, the most likely outcome of this
election is that Donald Trump's going to win. And actually,
the vibe on the ground here is I think acceptance.

(01:26:46):
I think they're looking at that New York Times needle,
They're looking at the pathway the victory narrowing, and and
the vibe here feels very much like they have accepted
that this is that that this is probably all over.
Interestingly enough, Kamala Harris can pay and she seem to
have an email maybe half an hour forty five minutes
ago saying that that that they always thought the path
the victory would lie through those blue Wall states Pennsylvania, Wisconsin,

(01:27:10):
and Michigan. So they're still hanging on to that host.
But gosh, I mean, I'm just as I'm talking to you,
even more campaigns start a leaving. But that's you know, honestly,
Donald Trump looks like he's seeing pretty well in those states.
But even that pathway down in Bochacks, right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
Yeah, Now we were told earlier that she was going
to speak, and now she's not going to speak. So
what happened was that just a miscommunication or was she
actually planning to speak and changed her mind.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
I'm not I actually don't have information on there. I haven't.
We're in the media, Pendon, that's keeping us in the
dark and all this. I had heard that she was
going to speak regardless, because obviously it's pretty important to
say something as concession or something. But you know this
this campaign email from from the campaign chairs to muddy things,

(01:27:54):
because that suggests that you know, a bit like a
bit like last year, they're still seeing a pathway to
victory that that they want to make sure as I're
both absolutely closed off before they are for any kind
of confession. It's also it's just approaching midnight here, so
maybe they're thinking it's a bit late and they'll do
what Hillary Clinton did between sixteen speak in the morning.
So yeah, it's an interesting one. At least forty five

(01:28:15):
minutes ago, the campaign was still telling people that they
you know, that the pathway the victory that they thought
was their main pathway the victory dear scenario number one,
they thought that was still open to them.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
But so, Thomas, what's your plan? How long are you
going to stick around listening to Adele?

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Well, I mean, I'm they've changed the Adele and I'm
hoping they keep changing the music up. I have heard
the same songs by now. I'm going to stay here
until it's over.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
He might be there for a long time. Thomas, thank
you very much, Thank you. I really appreciate here a trooper.
Thomas Coblan, the deputy political editor at the HEROLD. So
this is where the key races are right now. He
was mentioning there Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are the ones
that they're still hoping they might be able to take. Pennsylvania.
Trump's leading by three percent. That is eighty six percent counted. Michigan,

(01:29:07):
Trump's leading by six percent, that's fifty six percent counted. Wisconsin.
Trump's leading by four percent. That's eighty three percent counted.
So he's basically leading in everything. Yeah, should we break
it to them? I think Thomas should break it to them.
I mean, the fact that they're all depeting, deplarting, departing
jesuits a long day, already departing with their MVP lanyards

(01:29:28):
means it's not a good sign. The Trump campaign is
loving it. Obviously, they've weighed in on it. One of
them has posted. A campaign spokesperson from the Trump campaign
has posted, sounds like the joy has left the building.
And it does, doesn't it? And now it's turning out.
I mean, to be fair, right to the Harris campaign,
if they're surprised by the red wave coming at them hard.

(01:29:49):
It does appear that even the Republicans are kind of
surprised by how strong he's coming through on the night,
because they thought it was going to be a lot
closer than it actually is, so much so that Elin
Musk sent what he called what is being called an
emergency squad to Pennsylvania to basically fix the voting papers
that have been rejected for being filled out wrongly. Now,
what happens in the states, and certainly in Pennsylvania, is

(01:30:11):
that if there's a mistake on the ballot paper, on
the voting paper, they reject that voting paper, and they
have a list of people. The election officers keep a
list of people who have voted but made mistakes and
will not be counted for that reason. So then you're
actually allowed, if you're like an official yourself, to go
through that list, try to get in contact with the
voter and bring them back to fix it. As long
as you do that before eight pm on election day.

(01:30:34):
It's a very expensive thing to do. Hardly anyone ever
does it because it's so expensive, because because the cost
per vote that you managed to get is so high,
you've got to employ people to come and go through
the list and then track down the people and then
bring them back and blah blah blah, and maybe you
only end up with, you know, like a handful of votes,
tens of votes, maybe hundreds of votes. That's not a
lot in a country the size of the US. But

(01:30:56):
Elon Musk is doing this. He's paying a political advisory
film called blitz ca Ambassing, to go to Pennsylvania, go
through the list, track down voters who they think are
Trump voters, have made mistakes, Go track them down, get
them back to the booth, get them to fix their mistakes.
And because they think even just those few votes may
flip things. That is how close they thought it was

(01:31:16):
going to be. But meanwhile, what did I say before?
How much is he leading in Pennsylvania by three eighty
seven percent counted, sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 4 (01:31:37):
This is Cedric Richmond, who's Harris, the Kamala Harris campaign
co chair, just speaking a few minutes ago.

Speaker 15 (01:31:43):
We still have votes to count, We still have states
that have not been called yet. We will continue overnight
to fight to make sure that every vote is counted.
Every voice has spoken, so you won't hear from the

(01:32:04):
Vice President tonight, but you will hear from her tomorrow.
She will be back here tomorrow to address not only
the Hu family, not only to address her support us,
but to address the nation.

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
So thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:32:22):
We believe in you.

Speaker 15 (01:32:24):
May God bless you, May God keep you, and go
Hu and go Harris.

Speaker 5 (01:32:30):
Thank you all.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
One of the TV channels on the cable channels is
running shots of what's happening at Trump HQ and Harris HQ.
Trump HQ is full to the brim of people. It's
vibing in there. They're waiting for Donald Trump to arrive.
He's on his way. It is dire over at Kamala
Harris HQ. It is so empty. I just saw an
interior shop before. It's so empty. Now inside you can
actually see the rubbish on the ground, which just goes

(01:32:53):
to share how many people have left. Twelve away from
seven and Gavin Gray are UK correspondence with us. Now, Hey, Kevin,
hi there, you glued to this as well.

Speaker 5 (01:33:02):
Well.

Speaker 32 (01:33:03):
It's very difficult for the news cycle here because of
the timing. It's ten to six in the morning. The
newspapers had to sort of put on their front pages
guesswork and all the rest. But it's interesting they've actually
focused on the social tension in America. The Daily Mail
with the headline tinderbox America on knife edge, the Daily
Mirror Pray for victory, Brace for chaos, obviously siding there

(01:33:28):
with Kamala Harris, and The Guardian Hope and fear as
well with the picture of Kamala Harris. So there is
an awful lot of interest of courses. You would expect
no reaction from our leaders thus far, but being so
early in the morning, that's probably not not terribly unexpected.
But I think lots of people obviously it's been massive

(01:33:50):
coverage over here as well. Indeed, people have been complaining
probably too much coverage, perhaps even more coverage than our
own general election. So yes, we vote for we wait
rather for the vote of the Americans.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
Yeah, well, it's hard to speak if you're one of
the world leaders before Carmela's even spoken, So I could
kind of understand that. Listen to what's going on with
you guys in your country. I see your government is
planning to ditch those smoking band plans.

Speaker 32 (01:34:15):
Yes, so a bit of a surprise this because it
was well trailed, this to attack on trying to really
get people younger people not to smoke, and one of
them was to ditch is to get plans to really
force people not to smoke outside of hospitals and outside
of schools and also in pub gardens. Now, of course

(01:34:37):
you're not allowed to smoke inside a pub, but the
government when they first of all thought about banning garden
pub and also restaurant restaurant gardens for smoking, I have
seen to sort of backtrack on that now with the
Health Secretary saying and I quote, you didn't want to
cause further harm to the hospitality industry, saying people don't

(01:34:58):
want to see their high streets go down the pan.
This is in response to a massive, I think, sort
of backlash to those proposals to ban pub garden smoking,
just saying look, you know it really is key and
at the moment things to their business are extremely sensitive. Indeed,
the British Beer and Pub Association representing twenty thousand pubs,

(01:35:19):
said it welcomed the change of heart, adding that pubs
would have led to this ban would have led to
many pubs shutting their doors and jobs being lost. So
we're going to have to see what's what they're going
to crack on with now, but the government's certainly having
a retake after a lot of feedback that was negative
about these pub gardens and restaurant gardens being banned.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
Yeah too, right, Hey, how's Camilla is?

Speaker 32 (01:35:43):
You're right, well, it's interesting that the general thing is
it just appears to be a chest infection. But the
seventy seven year old has canceled all her appointments this week.
This hope she may be able to do something for
the forthcoming Remembering Day commemorations coming up. But apparently on

(01:36:04):
the way back from Australia they stopped off at a
health spa in India and then on the way back
apparently not feeling terribly well either. So she's only being
back in the UK short while that this chest infection.
According to doctors, they she needs to rest. What we're
not being told, because of course it's private, is how
and close Charles is getting. King Charles is getting to

(01:36:26):
Queen Camilla because with his cancer treatment he doesn't obviously
want to pick up any infections. And the chest infections
doing the rounds, the bugs doing the rounds in our
early winter here have been really really widespread and also
pretty tenacious. Rumors of some sort of chest infections lasting
some people several weeks before they could get rid of them.

(01:36:46):
So they're playing on the safe side for the Queen Camilla,
and I think she's been told to effectively rest for
a few days.

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
Kevin, good to talk to you, mat Thank you very much.
Enjoy the election coverage. It's Kevin Gray, a UK correspondent.
So Donald Trump is on two thirty officially, but if
he gets Georgia, which has been called by CNN, then
it takes him up to two forty six. Right, So
he needs twenty four more electoral College votes. Basically he
just needs a combination of two different states. I mean
there is one combo where he made need three states,

(01:37:13):
but he basically needs two different states. Arizona a bit
tight at the moment. That's eleven, Pennsylvania nineteen. These are
electoral votes Wisconsin on tena Michigan on thirteen. And if
he manages to shut down, he's leading in all of them.
If he just manages to shut down two of them
for himself, he's their home and host eight away from seven.

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Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
It's five away from seven Sorr. I slightly distracted them
because it looks like maybe there was an exciting development
with CNN calling one of the states for Trump. But no,
they haven't. They haven't yet, so we're still standing by
for that. We are waiting for Donald Trump to arrive
at his headquarters. He is on his way, although he
has been on his way for about half an hour's time,
so on his way he could be like, I'm on
my way. I'm getting out of the bar.

Speaker 11 (01:38:05):
Do you think he's walking. He's doing it on foot,
and you know, maybe maybe he got lost, like just
kind of took the wrong turn and he's having to
walk back.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
Just have it, just waiting for Elon to come get
him so they can go together. God only knows me.

Speaker 8 (01:38:15):
Maybe the tesla broke down.

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
You're right, yeap, they're still charging the tesla. They are
taking their time. But anyway, what's gonna happen is, oh,
and Fox is just called Georgia for Trump, So Georgia's
definitely Trump's. So two forty sixs has count to forty
eight at the moment they've got him on. So what's
gonna happen is we're waiting for Donald Trump. If and well,
when Donald Trump turns up, we will bring you Donald

(01:38:37):
Trump and in all his absolute gleefuldest snow down, we
will bring it to you if it happens within the
next fifteen minutes. And I'm gonna hang about it. If it
happens within the next fifteen minutes, I'll come back in. Otherwise,
Darcy's going to be in charge of that situation. And
what have you got?

Speaker 11 (01:38:51):
Ojy's for the love of money to play us out tonight,
probably better known to most of us as the theme
song from the reality show The Apprentice. I had a
Lady Gaga song ready to go just in case it
went the other way, But I think given the current numbers,
let's let's let's go with this one.

Speaker 4 (01:39:05):
Yeah, what what is I mean when The New York Times,
a bastion of liberal media.

Speaker 11 (01:39:11):
Says there is another They got it wrong in twenty
sixteen as well. But I think John King on CNN
talking about in Wisconsin like Milwaukee is going to have
to come out so hard for Harris for her to
win that one. I think when you're talking about that,
that's more of an indication for me that it's going
the other one.

Speaker 4 (01:39:25):
Okay, yeah, Or I've just sold on the New York
Times Little and Needle because I like a picture and
the needle is like ninety.

Speaker 8 (01:39:31):
Three per times here.

Speaker 11 (01:39:33):
So you always refamiliarize yourself with the US geography as
it all turns blue and red.

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
Yeah, that's cool. Now I know where George is. Anyway,
enjoy yourself. I might be back in ten minutes time
if Trump he turns up. Otherwise you're with Darcy, but
stand by for Trump News Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
M HM.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
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