Full Show Podcast: 07 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's hither duplicy, Ellen drive with one New Zealand, Let's
get connected news Talk said.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Be.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. Now, post
Trump being elected, the biggest concern for New Zealand is
that he does actually had us with those twenty percent
tariffsies promised. We'll find out from Winston Peters whether that
actually is a threat that he's worried about. We just
had the big reveal, obviously, of the Treaty Principal's Bill.
We'll see what Nazi ta's chief executive thinks of it,
and also find out why over in the US they're
going to drop those legal cases against Trump ever do

(00:37):
for ce Allen, let me tell you was absolutely no
surprise to me to see my Facebook friends melting down
over Trump winning the election last night. Whoo are they
going crazy?

Speaker 5 (00:49):
Boy?

Speaker 6 (00:49):
Boy?

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Have there been some hysterical predictions about how now that
he's won, the world is going to end. My absolute
favorite one was from my husband who told me last
night Trump is bad. Trump is going to take us
the world to the brink of war. Hello, Hello, the
world is already at war. We don't even be taken
to the brink. We're already there. We've got two significant

(01:10):
wars underway in two of the most worrying parts of
the world, which is Europe in the Middle East. Neither
of them are because of Trump. They started under Biden.
So anyway, it got me thinking, I think we need
a little bit of perspective here. Geez. I mean, people
are really losing their minds over this. We cannot predict
what is going to happen in the future, right, but
we have the past to guide us. So why don't

(01:31):
we compare the last time Trump was president with the
most recent period under Biden and see who wins as
being the real crazy one here? As far as I
can see, Biden is the one who's been far worse
for New Zealand. I mean, look, sure, Trump introduced the
steel tariffs on us and started a trade war with China,
but I checked with Winston Peter's office. It doesn't look
like Biden's remove those steel tariffs from US, and he

(01:52):
hasn't ended the trade war with China. So as far
as I can see, they're basically exactly the same as
each other on that. Under Biden, who New wars started,
both of which have pushed up prices that we pay
here in New Zealand. Under Trump, no new wars were started.
Now my husband counted that with who But well, remember
when he met with Rocketman Ooh, North Korea nearly did

(02:13):
start a war. Yeah, but they didn't, did they. It
might have nearly, but they didn't. Nothing happened despite all
of the warnings. And that's because Trump is too much
of a crazy maker. Other world leaders don't know how
far they can push it with him. They suspect they
can't take it very fast, so they don't try it all.
That is why Putin invaded Georgia under Bush, invaded Crimea
under Obama, invaded Ukraine under Biden and pulled his head
and did no invasions under Donald Trump. But under Biden,

(02:37):
never mind, the threat of North Korea may be doing something.
Two things actually did happen. Two wars actually did happen.
They did start, and they are worse than anything that
North Korea might have done under Trump. The withdrawal from
Afghanistan was orderly. Under Biden. It was a complete unmitigated
disaster which he was at the center of, that completely
undermined America's credibility. So before we get too hysterical about

(03:02):
all the bad things that Trump could do, how about
we just remind ourselves all the bad things that Biden
did do. Get a bit of a grip, ask ourselves,
what would Trump actually have to do in the next
four years to be worse than what Biden was? And
why aren't we as hysterical about Biden and how bad
he is? Or is this just this hysteria just something
we reserve for Donald Trump. Ever, Ellen ninety two is

(03:25):
the text number stand a text fees apply Now the Democrats,
I mean talk about meltdown. Democrats are dealing with a
bad hangover from last night, aren't they. Kamala Harris has promised,
he gave a very good speech today. I promised there
will be an orderly transition of power.

Speaker 7 (03:38):
We must accept the results of this election. Earlier today
I spoke with President He like Trump and congratulated him
on his victory. I also told him that we will
help him and his team with their transition and that
we will engage in a peaceful transfer of power.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
David List's a Democrat and a former speech tried it
to Barack Obama. David hell Low hi Heather, what do
you think the Democrats did wrong in the end.

Speaker 8 (04:09):
I think it's going to take a couple of weeks,
maybe even months to fully figure it out, because this
was really an across the board reversion back to Donald Trump.
I mean, I use the word of version. It was
actually bigger than that. Almost everywhere in the country shifted
by about six percent toward Donald Trump. And that was
true across geographies, it was true across ages, races. You know,

(04:31):
it was really a full scale shift rightward compared to
twenty twenty. I think the biggest thing that Democrats faced
was a headwind from inflation. That was, you know, a
serious problem in the United States two years ago, and
prices have stopped growing since then. But people are very
aware of how much prices have grown, and so I

(04:52):
think that ultimately one of the things as a Democrat
I find myself wondering is what could have been done
to prevent this. I don't know if there's an answer.
I don't know if we will know an answer, because
this was something where it turned out to be a
much more difficult environment than Democrats realized.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
I've seen a lot of commentary from you know, the
publications around the world that tend to lean right, like
the Telegraph and the UK and stuff, and they say,
what this is basically is a vote against everything the
Democrats stand for, things like diversity and you know, just
and like, let's call it wokiness. Do you know, if

(05:27):
you like, do you think it is that? Is it
a cultural war vote or is it purely an economic vote?

Speaker 8 (05:33):
I think no vote is all one thing or another.
I absolutely think that there are a set of people
in the country who find Democrats annoying. And I will
say I'm a Democrat and sometimes I find Democrats annoying.
At the same time, I think that it was really
shocking to me how many people were apparently willing to
overlook Donald Trump's danger and the threat that he poses

(05:56):
to the country and to the world. Quite frankly, you know,
I think in part because Democrats can sometimes be a
little bit irritating. And as I said, not only do
I think the Democrats can sometimes be irritating, I have
been an irritating Democrat, so I think there is some
truth to that. But I also think it doesn't fully
explain this result. It's going to take a while to
figure it out.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
But probably right does he pose to the country into
the world.

Speaker 8 (06:21):
I think the most important thing that is just shocking
to me and shocking to a lot of people right
now is Donald Trump. I mean, this was a small,
de democratic process. He won the popular vote, but the
fact remains the last time he ran for president, he
lost the vote. He incited an insurrection at the capitol
to try to undo the will of the people and

(06:42):
sees power even though he had lost an election and
overturn that election, and now voters have rewarded him with
another four years. That's a really scary thing. I mean,
we know this is not someone who cares about the
peaceful transfer of power. It's not somebody who cares about
the Constitution. And we're going to have to wrect and
with that as a country. And because of America's place

(07:02):
in the world, I think the world is going to
have to reckon with what that means. And then I
also think there's America's place in the international order. You know,
Trump has talked about pulling out of NATO. He clearly
is friendlier with dictators like Putin and She of China
and Kim Jongan of North Korea, then he is with
democratically elected leaders around the world. We don't know what's

(07:23):
going to happen next, but there's going to be real uncertainty,
and I would be really surprised, pleasantly surprised, but surprised
if it ends.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Well, Yeah, David, listen, thanks for talking us. So it
really appreciated, and go, well, that's David Litt, form of
speech writer for Barack Obama. Yeah, Baron Trump is tall,
isn't he?

Speaker 6 (07:41):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Isn't he?

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Anyway? So he walks on stage last night at a
twenty with his dad, and everybody in our house goes
that that is a very tall boy. I mean, like
Donald Trump is tall. Donald Trump is six foot two,
so he's towering over his father. He's a very table man. Apparently,
the Google boy, I should say's eighteen, still a boy.
Apparently the Google searches on how tall Baron Trump has

(08:04):
went absolutely nuts at exactly eight twenty when he walked
on stage last night. There's a graphic you could find
online where they plot the two phrases Baron Trump height
and how tall is Baron Trump? And it's sort of
like mildly interested people like all day long. There's a
bit of a Google here, bit of a Google there,
eight twenty what spikes like crazy comes back down and

(08:24):
then just carries on for the rest of the evening.
Six foot nine that's how tall he is. That's a curse,
isn't it? Full sixteen?

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Who will take.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
The White House results and analysis of the US election?
On Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with one New Zealand Let's
get connected the news talk sai'd be sport with the
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Speaker 4 (08:50):
Darcy water Grave sports talk hoosters with me, Hey, dars.

Speaker 9 (08:53):
Only they should mention that R eighteen and Bedding responsibly.
I've got some money for me to win. Uh huh,
what do you reckon?

Speaker 6 (09:00):
Don't trust me?

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Not the slightest, But I'm going to listen to you.

Speaker 9 (09:04):
I'm not a regular, to be fair, The money here
is in New Zealand. To pound the Irish by thirteen
plus six dollars fifty unlikely. That's why it's paying sex
to fifty.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
But don't you like that? Don't confidence that that he
even exists as an option?

Speaker 10 (09:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (09:22):
Talaa and Clark two forty any time, triscores, they're quite
nice ones there. I was looking.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
For the wings.

Speaker 9 (09:29):
Yeah, I was looking for an option of how many
read or yellow cards, but I couldn't find it, So
i'd be a showing the found to be someone who's
doing something stupid and get sent off. So Ireland favorites
one forty seven New Zealand outside at two sixty. But
you know thirteen plus and every time I'll tell you
I bet on thirteen plus, I lose.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
So why is Ethan Degroup not playing again?

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well?

Speaker 9 (09:53):
Internal discipline?

Speaker 4 (09:54):
But that was last week? Was internal discipline happened one week?
What happens in the vacuum about making up stories?

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Okay?

Speaker 9 (10:01):
So he said, Now it's a form situation.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
That sounds this sounds like BS. Doesn't it? A form?

Speaker 9 (10:09):
We can say looking in play last week?

Speaker 1 (10:11):
So it's a terrible form.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
A professional all black does not fall out a form.

Speaker 9 (10:16):
In one week to Mighty Williams played particularly well, even
though the referees won't agree. So they're like, actually, Tomighty,
you're the front runner. I really like what you're.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Doing this Earlier I asked you before, when I was
in the coffe at the coffee station aggressive, I'll do
a Donald Trump hand at you then with the pointy
finger goes backwards. I was at the coffee station before
and I asked you, would you have put Ethan degrus
onto my automighty Williams And you said Ethan de Groot.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
I think you're talking to me.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
I not side anyway. Would you have put Tomighty Williams on.

Speaker 9 (10:50):
Instead my sidekick? I think he's possibly the future in there. Look,
he's another theory because we don't know. And we'll talk
to Lourie Mains about this tonight about discipline and what
the public have a right to know. There are some
theories that say, actually, it's our team, we have a
right to know. You're going to tell us what's going on?
Right the other theear is it going? This is sealed.

(11:10):
You've got none of your business. And plainly Robinson's got
the support of his team and all the stuff, because
nothing's come out, no one said anything that says he
is He's.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Give you an alternative one on this. It's just a
stupid thing not to be honest with us, because what
do we love about sport? We love the drama. That's
why we are watching RL because we like them. Will
he is.

Speaker 9 (11:31):
He's got into training again right and he's packed, said
he spent a dummy.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
And Scott's gone play.

Speaker 9 (11:39):
I'm not picking you again.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
Well, I mean I don't know.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
We may ye, because the yarn is better than not knowing,
And we're more likely to watch for the yarn, aren't we.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
We're more likely to.

Speaker 9 (11:49):
Watch because it's going to be one of the keenly contested.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Is it on it like some god awful time like three?

Speaker 11 (11:55):
No?

Speaker 9 (11:55):
No, no, it's on a wonderful time. What's that ten
past nine on Saturday morning?

Speaker 4 (12:00):
You stop it?

Speaker 5 (12:01):
Is it?

Speaker 9 (12:01):
It's Friday night?

Speaker 5 (12:02):
Game over there?

Speaker 4 (12:03):
I know I'm going to have to kick swimming. Oh no, yeah,
I watched the ragby.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Have you got a phone?

Speaker 4 (12:14):
No, I'm not going to swimming with a phone. Can
I tell you something?

Speaker 1 (12:17):
So?

Speaker 4 (12:17):
You know how we were talking about the hucker last
week at nauseum. This is why we can never get
rid of the hucker because my boy is not even
three years old and just randomly busts the hucker out.
Last night before his bath, he was running around with
the tennis ball and his father said him, what are
you doing? And he said, I do hucker put it down,
started doing a huker. Wow, what one couple or the
tradition it was? I think a version of coming. That

(12:41):
is why we can't get rid of a kids love
it and what I like.

Speaker 9 (12:43):
About this is a dispute, a debate around who leads
the hucker this time around, because of course Cody's not there.
You know what they should do? No what rique he
should lead that because they had just grind the gears
of all of the crowd.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Six. Actually that's quite good and the ladies wouldn't hate
it as well, We'll be honest with you. He's a
bit of a looker, all right, Darcy, Thank you, Darcy
Waldgrave's SportsTalk hoast. He'll be back at seven this evening,
four twenty Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c
Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
youth dogs.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
That'd be four twenty five. Listen, we've got to we've
finally really got our first look at the actual Treaty
Principles bill. It is pretty much what you would expect,
just in greater detail. But the thing that is probably
the change that is going to upset I would imagine
some Ewie leaders is the old Principal too, which is

(13:40):
based on Article two it is the thing up to
now that has caused them the greatest consternation. This is
what it says. Number one, The Crown recognizes and will
respect and protect the rights that Hapoo and Ewie Mahli
had under the Treaty of White Tonguey at the time
that they signed it. Right, So that's what we because
remember this is David's already done the change. David Sima's
already done the change to roughly that going to respect

(14:00):
those rights that you signed. Number two, however, and this
is the thing they've introduced, it's most likely going to
make some people upset if those rights differ from the
rights of everyone. Their Number one only applies if those
rights are agreed in the settlement of a historical treaty
claim under the Treaty of White Pungyak nineteen seventy five.
So basically, in simple English, everybody's rights are exactly the same. However,

(14:25):
if there is a treaty settlement that changes things like
you get special customary phishing rights, or you get special
rights to look after this marlinger or something like that,
then you got that. But other than that, everybody's exactly
the same. Helmet Modlick, who is the chief executive of
Gnati Tour is going to be with us ten past
five or thereabouts. Give us his take on it.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Here.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
The six foot nine inches is a blessing. It's like
having big boobs for a lady.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
It is not.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
It is not at all. Big boobs for a lady
are a blessing. To a point, I think six foot
nine equivalent boobs are also not a blessing because I
think it's a qua crat back problems. But you think
this kid, he's lucky, he's rich, because it ain't no
economy seat ever gonna accommodate him. He'd have a special
bed to accommodate that length. I mean, he'd have to

(15:11):
have one of those very expensive houses where all the
door jams are like a thousand meters in the air,
because otherwise you're ducking all the time.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Headline's next, the day's newsmakers. Talk to Heather first, Heather.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Duper c Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected and news talk z be Oh you.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Know, Heather, I'm six foot nine, I can fly in
economy and I don't need a special bed. You don't seat,
you don't sleep straight out like a log. Well, I
mean that's really limiting because some of us do see
sleep straight out like a log, and we've got room

(15:53):
to spare. Anyway, it happens, and look at it. For
some people, it's a blessing. I mean, somebody I think
this is Venora's just sent a list of six foot
nine people who are like rugby players Lebron James, Magic Johnson,
Tyson Fury. So I just don't have a lot of
confidence that Baron Trump is going to turn himself to
a sportsman. I don't know, if you saw him last night,
he strikes me as more likely to pay e sports,

(16:15):
you know. I mean, he's going to spend his days
in a darkened room playing video games. The kind of
kid he is, he's like a nerd. But anyway, maybe
he can make it work for him. Ladies love it,
tall man, It's just like extreme, that's all. There is
a guy from France, get a load of this, who
won about eighty one million New Zealand dollars betting on
Trump to win the election. No one knows who the

(16:36):
sky is. They call him the Trump whale, as in
like whale, a big better the Trump whale. He only
goes by the name Theo. He bet on Trump winning
both the electoral college vote and the popular vote on
a gambling site called Polymarket, and as a result of
his massive win, he is now at the top of
poly Markets all times winnings board. And you can see

(16:56):
why eighty one million on that is pretty Extraor he
had a good night last night, didn't he?

Speaker 12 (16:59):
Now?

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Well, the concern for New Zealand, obviously, is that we
get stung with those twenty percent tariffs that Donald Trump's
been talking about. Is tariffing is put tariffs on everybody, everybody,
and we're going to get twenty percent. By the sounds
of things on our wine and our sheep meat in particular,
beef will probably get an exception. Is this actually going
to happen? Are we going to be able to talk
them out of it? Winston Peter's the foreign minister who's

(17:20):
going to have to deal with this. Is with us
after five, it's twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive well.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Of course, the presidency has decided, but the election results
are still trickling in. The Republicans are on track to
retain their majority in the House of representatives, but a
number of close races are still yet to be called.
The Democrats have definitely lost the Senate, and Wisconsin Senator
Ron Johnson is eager to get to work.

Speaker 9 (17:44):
Democrats have left us a big mess that we need
to clean up.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
But we'll do what we've.

Speaker 13 (17:49):
Done in the past, lower regulation, lower taxation, utilize our
God given energy resources.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Australian Ambassador to the US, Kevin Rudd, has had to
delete some old social media posts, says any because they
were critical of Donald Trump. Weren't they? An Ossie Foreign
affairs official says this was done to avoid the comments
being misconstrued. Here's elbow.

Speaker 14 (18:11):
Kevin Rudd is doing a terrific job as the Australia's
ambassador to the United States, and it says a lot
about how important we regard the relationship with the United States,
that we appointed a former prime minister.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
And finally, so turns out cats are actually smarter than
human babies. Researchers in Japan weirdly did some word association
tests with cats and with toddlers, and the cats picked
up new associations about four times faster than the toddlers did.
One of the scientists did admit though, that putting an
adult cat up against basically a baby human is not

(18:46):
a fair contest.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
International correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Murray Old's Ozzie corresponds with us.

Speaker 6 (18:55):
Now he mus afternoon.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Ever, what's kay Rudd actually said? Then? Do you know?

Speaker 6 (19:00):
Well, he did say Donald Trump's nuts and he's a
threat to the West quote unquote, he's probably a bit
storm now, so too elbow. There's a couple of tweets
that apparently have been deleted from the alban Easy account
that was according to his office. I don't know what
Albo said, but certainly Kevin Rubb was out there. This

(19:21):
guy's nuts. Okay, keV, thanks for that. But in any event,
they now the Australian government, a bit like the New
Zealand government, is looking at the whole issue of tariffs,
hoping against hope that he's going to wind back some
of that rhetoric because it's I mean, no one wins there.
You are you're going to do is make goods twenty
percent deer for every American consumer and much a serious

(19:45):
hole and kiwi and Australian export values. But in any event,
there's a lot of concern here about the fifty to
sixty percent tariff on Chinese exports. I mean, you know,
the United States is the third biggest trading partner for Australia,
and Australia is going to have to get a special
deal on trade because if he whacks a sixty percent

(20:05):
tariff on Chinese imports to the US, China won't be
making as much and if that's the case, that China
might not need the stuff that Australia is selling to
China defense wise, well orcus the deal they hope will
still be kept by Donald Trump. But are we really
going to be able to afford to buy American nuclear subs?

(20:25):
Will the price go up? But American Stubbs submarines begin
rotating around Australian ports. There's a whole bunch of youth,
brand new questions to be answered. And it's very early
days yet, in the next four years are going to
be very interesting.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
On the bright side, Mauz, you guys are going to
get off this really easily because you've got a fantastic
ambassadors Washington and Trump Lism. So you're well placed. You're
well placed. Listen, so tell me about the social media
banner's kicking in for the sixteen year olds, is it?

Speaker 6 (20:54):
Yeah, well it's got more holes in Swiss cheese at
this point. I mean, yes, we're going to be banning
at under six from social media if the federal government
laws get through parliament. But then they're going to be
I mean, how they're going to be enforced. The government's
going to make social media companies have they're responsible for
enforcing the ban, but just how that's going to work?
No one sure there's no penalty on children accessing the

(21:16):
net the parents as well if the laws have flouted,
So I mean, what's the point And there are many
other questions as well. Has the band going to be imposed?
I mean what technology is going to be used? Hasn't
been invented yet? And what about the penalties with the
companies if the kids are on there looking at all
sorts of stuff they shouldn't. There's a big meeting tomorrow
alban Easy convening a meeting of the federal and state

(21:38):
governments to thrash this out. But the experts are warning
the kids nowadays, and you know this as well as
I do. They're so tech savvy. Anything silly old suits
like Elbow and Dunton put up. The kids are going
to work out in three minutes flat.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Yeah, And this is the important thing, mass is you
have to ping the social media provider. Then you have
to make them the ones that are responsible for keeping
this sixteen year olds off. So they're really incentivized to
do it because the kids will try to get on.

Speaker 6 (22:04):
Well, the kids will get on, that's the point. So
how are you going to actually punish these social media providers?

Speaker 4 (22:09):
I don't care, just punish them. You've got deep pockets
who cares?

Speaker 6 (22:12):
Well, well, I guess that's I guess that's true. A
lot of money.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Don't you come here to this show making an argument
for what Mark Zuckerberg Woe is me?

Speaker 11 (22:23):
Please?

Speaker 6 (22:25):
Was last trillion dollars too? Right?

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Hey listen, So I see you guys are actually recording
the number of Keywis that are coming into Australia.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
Well right now, the end of September there were seven
hundred and twenty five thousand New Zealanders over here, so
that's a lot. That's three quarters of a million people.
And on the back of the COVID pandemic, of course,
the borders now open again and migration numbers. Despite the
best eforts of the government, migration numbers are up. There

(22:55):
were five hundred and sixty net a thousand net migrants
to Australia after COVID and two point eight million temporary
visa holders at the end of the last quarter student
visas well, nearly seven hundred thousand of those graduate visas.
You're throwing another two hundred and fifty. So all of
a sudden you've got a million student and graduate visas

(23:17):
here as well. And as I say, three quarters of
a million Kiwis. The Kewis have got a special relationship
with of course, the government is trying to wind back
student numbers, but the universities are squealing like stuck pigs
because of course all the foreign students pay three and
four times as much for their tuition as Australian kids.
So the university had like aightms with these kids. They
just punch them in the door on the way in

(23:38):
and punch them out when they finished their degrees.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Mozz, thank you very much, appreciate it. Look at yourself.
Murriold's Ossie correspondent heither I bought Central Otago Pino in
San fran for twenty dollars a bottle in Auckland, the
same wine vintage cost forty two dollars per bottle. And
this is all in New Zealand dollars by the way,
So twenty bucks in the state's forty two bucks in Auckland.
So who's getting screwed? Old scam? Huge price domestically and

(24:03):
duties on imported wines twenty percent import tariff's stay on
our wines means the US still gets our wine cheaper
than we do here Bruno, thanks for that context. And
actually somebody seen a very similar text about lamb prices
in the US. So there you good as you will
have seen world leaders have just, you know, just fall
it over themselves to suddenly be mates with Donald Trump.

(24:25):
And my favorite tweet thus far as from Emmanuel Macron,
and he said, congratulations President Donald Trump. Ready to work
together as we did for four years, full stop with
your convictions and mine, full stop, with respect and ambition
for more peace and prosperity, with your convictions and mine.

(24:45):
Don't tell me that Macron didn't know what a double
entendre on convictions. How good from him, well done. No
one was expecting that much humor from you. Emmanuel Macron
sixteen away from five.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Politics was centric credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Barriers and your political correspondence with us A Barry, Good.

Speaker 10 (25:05):
Afternoon, Heather. I've been brow beaten. I have over the
past twenty four hours, but you know I'm used to it.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
Have you?

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Have you resigned yourself to the outcome?

Speaker 10 (25:15):
What a wonderful man Donald Trump is?

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (25:17):
No, not that.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Oh nobody thinks a wonderful man human being. He's one, though,
isn't he. It's quite funny, isn't it. How are you
feeling what it seems all on? You've been to the
cardiac guy just to check that everything's okay in there. Okay,
Now listen, the Treaty Principals Bill has made it to
Parliament and I imagine that this got quite heated today.

Speaker 10 (25:37):
Yes it did, and of course protesters are out here
in Auckland and in Wellington and that's in preparation for
the hikuoi next week and that will happen probably on
the day that it's first debated. I think it's next Thursday. Yeah,
it'll be first debated in Parliament. But the point that
David Seymour has been making. And I think it's a
good point that the Waitangi Tribunal have been able to

(25:59):
develop principles that have been used to justify the actions
that are contrary to the principle of equal rights, and
that's co governance and stuff like that, and either Parliament
can define them, which is what Parliament's role should be,
and certainly not the Waitangi Tribunal. And that's the whole

(26:21):
point of him trying to spell out what these principles are,
because they're written into many pieces of legislation and they're
based on interpretation of others as opposed to the lawmakers themselves.
And I think that, in fact, is a good way
to proceed. Basically, he says, the bill won't alter the

(26:42):
treaty itself, it will be used to assist the interpretation
of the legislation. And I say here here to that
the Maori Party, though it attempted to have the bill
withdrawn as soon as it was tabled in Parliament this afternoon,
here's co leaders rowery way to tea and DEBI no
rivera packer.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I leave to move a motion without notice and without
debate that this House honest to taty await honey and
withdraws the Treaty Principal's Bill.

Speaker 8 (27:07):
Leave it thought. Is there any objection there?

Speaker 15 (27:12):
The objection the introduction of the Treaty Principal's Bill without
consulting King Charles is a sign of disrespect and brings
the House into disrepute.

Speaker 10 (27:22):
What what's the point that she's making is that the
Crown should have been informed about I'm sure King Charles
would be right in the front of a seat wanting
to know exactly that what was in the Treaty Principal's Bill.
But the point that was made by Jerry Brown and
is absolutely true that there is a speech from the

(27:44):
Throne at the start of every parliamentary session and the
last one last year was no exception, and the Treaty
Principal's Bill was mentioned in that. And if the Queen
was sorry, the King was interested, he would have been
able to talk to his Governor General here and got
the lowdown on I don't know where there is taking
that opportunity or taken.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
The opportunity to do that.

Speaker 10 (28:06):
But look, there was a lot of tension in Parliament today.
The Speaker, your old mate Helmet, he was there making
a lot of noise in the public glories. I understand that,
and he left sort of yelling and making faces at
ministers in parliament. David Seymour, though he's now launched an

(28:26):
online campaign now that the bill's been introduced, He's sitting
at his desk in Parliament and in a video he
tells viewers that every key we will have the chance
to make a submission on the bill, which is absolutely right.
I mean, after it's debated next week, then it'll be
open to a Parliamentary Select committee and the public will

(28:48):
get the opportunity to make submissions.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
He said.

Speaker 10 (28:51):
The committee process will be open within days of the
bill being debated next Thursday.

Speaker 11 (28:56):
Ever, listen, everyone will have the chance to express their
opinion on this parliamentary bill without being shouted down or
told their view doesn't count. The bill's critics say that
this debate will be divisive, but I think they underestimate
New Zealand's ability to have constructive conversations on fundamental issues
like democracy and equal political rights. For my part, I

(29:17):
think each of us is united by universal humanity, the
same inherent dignity for each person. That's what's driven all
the good movements in human history.

Speaker 10 (29:26):
Yeah, and so it's a very slck campaign and what
he's hoping to do is to get people to respond
to it. I mean I got an email about it
today and to support the bill. So he's trying to
sort of go, if you like, above Parliament and to
appeal to the public to have their say.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Out really quickly. Barry, we don't have a lot of time,
but see can Trump. We haven't talked enough about ka
Rudd just got busted. Kevin Rudd, Ambassador to the US
for Australia, just got busted with a whole bunch of
nasty tweets about Trump. At least this time we're more prepared, right, Oh.

Speaker 10 (29:55):
Yes, Now, Winston says were absolutely prepared, and he's told
Parliament that this afternoon there was a funny sidebar to
it that Trump did well as we know of the
Latino vote, but Peters wasn't doing well with Ricardo Mendi's march,
who hails from Mexico and who barracked him in parliament.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Ever listened to this.

Speaker 16 (30:17):
This is not the first time that I am subjected
to this kind of pretty verote type of behavior, and
I take personal offense to my hanches occurred and note
that it is incredibly unstatements like from the Deputy Prime Minister,
the acting prem Minister.

Speaker 17 (30:31):
We cannot have these members so sensitive.

Speaker 8 (30:34):
All I said was in Spanish.

Speaker 17 (30:35):
All I said in Spanish was good bye, my friend.

Speaker 7 (30:39):
But he's offended by that.

Speaker 17 (30:40):
Oh, for goodness sake, we have a very diverse parliament.

Speaker 10 (30:43):
There's a bit of Trumpian behavior goes on with Winston
at times.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Interesting, interesting, very so for senior political correspondent. Actually, Winston's
with us just after five seven, away from.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Digging into the issues that affect you. The mic hosking.

Speaker 18 (30:59):
Breakfast boys down because he's going to drill, baby, drill.
Europe are wetting their pants with nervousness. God knows what
they're feeling like in the Ukraine. So a lot to
play for New York got me as well. They hate him,
they indict them, but whatsnow we don't We'll vote for him.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
How does that work?

Speaker 12 (31:15):
It tells us that there's real shifts happening within the country.
Throughout the country.

Speaker 18 (31:20):
The lack of planning post Biden was astonishing. Back tomorrow
at six am, the mic asking breakfast with the rain
driver of the lah News talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Hate seriously, though, why is Rakardo men Indias March offended
by somebody saying adioso egos to him? If he I mean,
he's from Mexico. I just double checked this. I was like, oh, Chez,
I better be right about this. I was like, Racado,
he is from Mexico. Language spoken to Mexico. No to Spanish.
A no, that's Spanish. So what's the problem that's like?
That's like, by the way, Laura the producers German? Is

(31:49):
that all right that I mentioned that? Laura or re
offended by the fact that you're okay with a Thank
God she's German. So it's like me saying to her Elvidsen,
I mean, what's the thing about I don't understand. I mean,
clearly Winston's niggling him. But you know what, you know
how bullying works. Say you niggle people who you know
get niggled, and clearly old mate gets niggled, Heather, So

(32:09):
you're all right, are you? With a rapist being in office,
a convicted liar, a guy whose morals sent him to
a porn star while his wife was pregnant with their child.
The guy lies like a salesman selling flies. Shows your
moral compass If you'd vote for him. Okay, we're going
to talk about this because this stuff, this stuff being
like he's a bad guy. He's a bad guy, don't
vote for him. It doesn't work, clearly, And we're going
to talk about that in the next half hour or

(32:30):
thereabouts when Ston Peters is with us next Now, yesterday
I was speaking to a diplomat or former diplomat, who
said to me, one of the interesting things what he's
the thing that he's most worried about, this diplomat, is
what happens in the Middle East with a Trump presidency.
Most likely Trump will end the war in Ukraine. It
might not be nice for Ukraine, but it will end.

(32:51):
But the problem with the Middle East is that Trump
has basically told Israel the way to solve it is
just to go hard and strike Around's nuclear sights. Now
there is a according to the diplomat, to be made
for doing exactly that, but pretty bloody risky because it
could start a quite a big war. So anywhere we'll
see from Winston what he thinks the risk of that
is his next news talks. He'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
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Speaker 1 (33:20):
By the facts and give the.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Analysis Heather due to Cellan Drive with One New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Afternoon. World leaders, including from our own government, have sent
their congratulations to Donald Trump on him winning the US
election last night. The US is, of course one of
our country's most important partners. Winston Peters is our Foreign
affairs minister. Hey Winston, Good afternoon, Winston. The thing that
we're most worried about with the Trump presidency, obviously is
his threat to introduce twenty percent tariffs on imports, including ours.

(33:52):
Do you think he'll actually do that?

Speaker 17 (33:54):
I think a lot of people are prematurely panicking here
without understanding that we have got to a till the
twentieth of January next year for him to be inaugurated.
In that time, we've got a lot of work to
do with the incoming administration. And also we have a
very very strong case to make ourselves an exception because

(34:16):
of the fairness of our market, the fact that we
pay first world wages in first world conditions, and so
we're not an exploit out of country that you could
bring those sorts of tariffs against without having evidence, and
so in our case, we're not overly confident, but we've
got our salves ready. We hit the ground running the
moment this administration was elected.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
We were prepared for it.

Speaker 17 (34:38):
We prepared for it in terms of our Washington base
and also our base around the United States, in terms
of people that we have contact with in the Republican Party.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Do you think he can be talked out of this?

Speaker 17 (34:51):
Well, he's not being talked into at this point in time.
He's just made it about some countries and hopefully he
has not made at about ours. And often he talks
about what is unfair in the world, and if you
can see some countries who pay third world or fourth
world wages and shocking conditions, then you're talking about something else.
In New Zealand's case, we are a first World democracy

(35:11):
with the First War standards of living, in terms of
our aspirations for the working people of our country, and
that will stand us in good stead.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Do you think that he will end the Ukraine War
like he says he will.

Speaker 17 (35:24):
Look, Just go back and ask yourself, how come between
sixteen to how sixteen twenty twenty we had none of
this wars, none of these wars going on. Sometimes wars
that have happened because countries they can get away with it,
and sadly that's where we are at now. But you know,
I don't want to get involved in that. Othern't to
say that weakness often leads to the kind of circumstances

(35:44):
we're living.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
You're preaching to the choir here. I totally agree with
you on that, But I'm interested in how he gets
settlement in the Ukraine thing. I mean, does he force
flotomye Zelenski to give up a whole bunch of land
to putin in order for Putin to stop the fighting.
And if that's what he does, are we okay with that?

Speaker 19 (35:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (35:59):
Look, I'm not going to get into that controversial debate
because that's outside of our area, other than to say,
as a small state, we do think that rule of
law matters. And the Russians preached a serious view in
Charter when they did that, even though they were on
the Security Council, and we made that position very clear
in our statement to the United Nations not so longer

(36:22):
now on the.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Middle Eastern War. Speaking to somebody in the know yesterday
who's an experienced diplomat, who said that one of the
possibilities with Trump and the Middle Eastern War, is that
he actually just comes in sorts out around once and
for all by making it okay for Israel to strike
their nuclear sites. And that's it. I mean it's risky,
it really risky, but at least it ends. What do
you think is that likely?

Speaker 17 (36:44):
Well, I'm amazed at the number of people have come
experts after the election and who gave you a no
good advice before before it happened. But the real issue
is here is the running the economy, and he could
have a profound effect upon that and see a change
in their behavior.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Yes, do we have a good relationship do you think
with the people? I mean, I noticed you put Rosemary
Banks back into the Washington situation for us, right in
the embassy over there. So do we have a good relationship?
Do you think with the people who are likely to
be surrounded by Trump? Surrounded surrounding Trump?

Speaker 5 (37:18):
Well, you know, with a lot of them.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
Yes.

Speaker 17 (37:20):
I just spoke to our former ambassador to New Zealand,
who's also our consul in Oregon. Port in Oregon swimmed down.
I spoke to him a long time today and he's
going to Washington very shortly. He's got a lot of contacts.
You've got also people that you know work very close
to Trump, whereas actually almost daily organizers. These are the
people that we're back in contact with now, as we

(37:43):
always had to get ready for any change that was
likely to happen and been more likely as the months
went by.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Wellston, I want to speak to you just really quickly
as the leader of New Zealand first, and I hope
you won't take offense at this, at this particular comparison,
but you strike me as being probably the closest in
to Trump in New Zealand, not in terms of being
offensive or anything like that, but just kind of understanding
the popular mood and appealing to the popular mood. Right,
Do you think that what Trump has just done is

(38:12):
this just a unique individual who's managed to win or
is this a movement around the world of people who
want to be listened to by populists.

Speaker 17 (38:21):
Look what happened here, and it was astonishing in the
campaign because it happened to the Republican Party as well,
that so many people high up in the organizations of
both those parties were out of touch with real American voters.
So those people out there who hadn't registered for devote
Safe for thirty five years. We're registering for the first time.
These are people who got to be listened to. These

(38:42):
are people who are concerned about the massive flowing from
the border and the number of criminals and murderers are
coming in, and they were not responding to them in
the heads of the Republican and the Democratic Party. But
Trump was now, whether you like or don't like someone,
the reality is, in the end, democracy is about the
ordinary person, the people in their numbers who do all

(39:03):
the jobs, sometimes two or three jobs a week to
make a country work. And if you take your ear
and your eye off them, then you deserve to lose.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Yeah, Winston, thank you very much. Couldn't agree with you
more on that. Actually, Winston Peter's Foreign Affairs Minister, thirteen
past five ever do for it's going to have a
chat very shortly about the treaty Principal's bill. Just a
quick heads up on TV and Z. TV and Z
has proposed a bunch of job cuts. So Breakfast at
the moment has four hosts. Two of them will be cut.
It looks like seven sharp. They're going to cut three

(39:32):
reporters and two part time producers, a whole bunch of
camera operators up and down the country, the Northland role
which is Helen Castle's reporter role, that will be cut
as well, the entire Q and A team and one
news website team. They are meetings as afternoon, although it
doesn't sound like there are like huge jobs to be
cut there or anything like that, but anyway, in total
they're cutting fifty jobs. Now, this is just the start,

(39:53):
I would venture of what's going to happen. Because if
you assume some of these people will be highly paid,
some of these people will be like middlingly paid. But
if you have out and say each of them has
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(41:01):
be honest? Did you have to use your calculator? Mate?
I did maths in New Zealand. I did school see maths,
so yes, of course I did eighty. I don't know
how to do maths. Eighteen past five Now the Treaty
Principal's Bill has finally been introduced to Parliament, which means,
of course, we've finally got our first look at the
thing pretty much exactly as expected, except for the second principle,
which promises to respect and protect the rights that Hapou

(41:23):
and Ewe Mari had under the Treaty of White Pungi
as long as they're the same as everyone else's, or
if they're different, as long as they're the result of
a treaty settlement. Nat tour Ewe Chief Executive Helpment Modlick
is with me now, ha Helbert? Is that all good
with you?

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Sorry?

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Is that all good with you?

Speaker 20 (41:43):
I've made my views very clear on the lack of logic,
truth telling, and ethics and connection with the whole exercise.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
So no, no, nothing good about it. Second verse as either.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Oh okay, So is there anything that David Seymour could
do to this to make you happy?

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Be I'll tell the truth, tell the truth.

Speaker 20 (42:04):
So, I mean, the whole premise of this uh one
renegotiat renegotiation of the of the treaty without participation of
one of the parties to the treaty doesn't even make
sense here. So if there was, if this was a
serious attempt to to be honorable, to tell truth and
to pursue a just position to go forward on, this

(42:28):
bill offers up nothing that marries up with those characters.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
Okay, So I mean, so helmut if you have a
problem with the Crown side even rewriting the thing in
the first place, and then there's no debate, right, There's
nothing that they could do that could pretend that there
would ever be up for discussion with you that would
satisfy you.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Oh, absolutely there would be.

Speaker 20 (42:47):
So the words are written in black and white and
there if you want to understand what they mean, to
have a look in a marriage dictionary that what's required,
like any contract that's been intoed into, was for it
to be honored by both sides. Now that's problematical range
of reasons. But over the last probably forty fifty years,
we've been on a journey of truth telling and reconciliation

(43:09):
and attempting to do that. One fell sweep coalitions come
in reverse that project of truth and reconciliation and looking
to unilaterally renegotiate the terms of that agreement.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
As I say, nothing about that is just a weak cale.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Hey, what happened in Parliament today?

Speaker 5 (43:27):
So first, you know, the bill was entered into the House.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
I don't mean that like I know how that works.
What happened by you shouting or doing signs and stuff
up in the.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
That's not our way pulling.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (43:44):
Well, you know I sat there for over and now
listening to parliamentarian flying their trade and was reminded, in fact,
how come my debate with David was so frustrating because
you know, for the more part I listened to people
avoiding answering Christians, you know, obvious gaping and just yeah,
it was really hard to listen to.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
So at the end there there was some questions.

Speaker 20 (44:06):
That were appointed given to the current Minister of No
Development that related both to the bill, but more particularly
at the end related to the relationship and the tenor
of the relationship between the Mari community and the coalition government.
Who is the direct question about whether it's.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
I know, I know all the stuff?

Speaker 12 (44:24):
Would you I left?

Speaker 5 (44:25):
I still left.

Speaker 20 (44:26):
I gave them a direct look and with what you
can imagine look on my face and turned on the
heels and left.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
I just couldn't stand it any longer enough.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Helmet, thanks very much, made appreciated. Helmet Modelick not to
toy Ewe Chief Executive five twenty one, the.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Name you trust to get the answers you need and
a dupless Alan drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Let's get connected and news talk as.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
They'd be So apparently the Department of Justice over and
the status is already winding down its cases against Donald Trump.
To explain why, we're going to have a chat to
Randy Zellen, a US attorney, a law expert, rab about
that in about ten minutes time, five twenty four. Now listen.
If there's something that we learned for sure with Donald
Trump's victory last night, I think it is that voters
don't care as much as we seem to think that

(45:10):
they do about voting for a bad man. Because, let's
be honest about it. Trump is a bad man. I mean,
can you think of any body more bad in politics.
He's a convicted felon, he cheated on his wife with
a howker, he's a liar, he's a brag He says
terrible things which you really hope you should never take literally.
There's absolutely no manners at all. And yet despite all
of that bad stuff, a massive majority of Americans across

(45:32):
the whole country, across both genders, across all ethnicities, voted
for him. Why because it doesn't matter, certainly, not as
much as his policies. The policies matter more what he
says he will do for people, tax cuts, paying down debt,
getting rid of illegal immigrants. That matters more to voters
than him being a bad man. Now, this is a
really important lesson because this bad man's stuff is happening

(45:55):
all around the world, right all around the Western world.
We are constantly told by the left of politics and
particular not to vote for people or policy or parties
because they're bad. They're bad people. How many times have
we been told, even here in New Zealand in the
last election, that we can't vote for this or that
politician or this or that party because they are a
bunch of racists, bad people, or they're bad because they

(46:16):
had a Donald Trump hat on display very bad, or
more recently, Andrew Bailey bad man has to be sacked
because he made a mean joke about a worker. What
a bad man, you know. Like, here's the lesson from
last night. That stuff doesn't matter as much as the
politicians on the left think. Carmla Harris, she strikes me
as genuinely a decent person, like I think I would

(46:36):
really like her. She looks like a good, nice woman
with a much better moral code than Donald Trump, and
she lost so badly. She got down trout last night
because voters didn't think that it was so important that
she was a good person. What they thought was her
policy sucked and they didn't want them. So here's the thing, right,
If Trump hating politicians and punters and commentators learned the
lesson from last night, they will tone down all the

(46:58):
stuff I keep telling us about it and how bad
he is because he's like Hitler and he's a tyrant
and he's a misogynist and he's a racist. No one cares.
Voters clearly don't care. And here's the lesson for the
left of politics in particular. Play the ball, not the
man keller duper sye Allen, Now listen. I know this

(47:19):
is not a cool thing to do, and I know
I shouldn't do this. My mum told me. When I
don't show off about things that you think that you've
done very well, it's not a good thing that I'm
about to do. I'm about to brag because everybody else
was surprised about what happened last night, but no me,
Because if you listen to the show on October the seventeenth,
you'll know I wasn't surprised because I told you on

(47:39):
October the seventeenth he was gonna win and she was
gonna lose. Let me explain to you why Trump wins came.
The only thing that you should care about is what's
happening in the Swing states. The swing states being Nirvana, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan,
North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona. Harris is not leading by enough,
She's gonna lose. He will probably overperform.

Speaker 15 (48:00):
In all of this.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Right, So whatever you're seeing in the polling, he does
better on the night, because that's what happened in twenty sixteen,
That's what happened in twenty twenty, which means on the night,
the Orange guy overperforms, he does well, he exceeds expectations,
and he wins the swing states, which is the only
ones that he needs to worry about. Embrace yourself, and
what happened last night. The Orange guy overperformed in the
Swing States, and he won last night, And thank you,

(48:24):
thank you. I had look to the reason I'm so
stoked with myself is because on the night, I was like,
this is credibility reducing. If I get this rotten, there's
a lot of credibility, let's be honest about it. But
I was like, what tiny little smidge and I have left,
I'm about to burn on making a call for Donald Trump.
And then I did it, and then I was right.

Speaker 11 (48:42):
I tell you what, Heather, your mum smile.

Speaker 21 (48:44):
It sounds like a very smart lady.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Oh to you whatever, but it is true. That's the
I'm not going to brag about it at all again
until maybe with the Huddle, and then maybe tomorrow again,
and then maybe on Sunday and my column and then
maybe every uptime. It's all about Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. Here the dup of
the Allen Drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected
and news talk z'.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Be Heather milk it for all it's worth, and Louise,
I've planned to thank you. Hey, the Huddle is standing
by going to be with us shortly Allie Jones and
Jordan Williams with all the reaction from what happened last

(49:32):
night and all the day's news over here as well
after six o' six o'clock. Sorry, we're going to have
a chat to Rob five now rob is the chair
of Recorp, put a lot of money into opening this
big aluminium can factory. We have a chat to him
about that that opened today. But also he happens to
be on the board or something like that somehow tied
up with Craiggie Range, the wine guy's over in Australia.

(49:54):
If if Trumpy goes ahead with those twenty percent tariff's
wine is going to be very affected because I think
is our biggest market actually, the US for Wine's web
chat to him about whether that is a real threaten
whether he's worried about it. Twenty three away.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
From six hither dup c Ellen.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
So all the ongoing criminal cases against Donald Trump are
expected to wind down now that he won the election
last night. The Department of Justice officials are trying to
figure out exactly how to go about doing this. Randy
Zellen is a law professor at Cornell University. Hey Randy, Hi,
great to be on with you. Yeah, thanks for being
on with us again. Now listen, why is this happening?
Is this because of some sort of a convention that
you don't prosecute a sitting president.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
There's a few things there is the legal end of things,
and then there's the practical end of things, and the
practical end of things wins out, and that is, you
don't prosecute a sitting president, you don't prosecute an incoming president.
And the reality is that we have a separation of
powers in this country, and one of those branches is

(50:54):
the executive branch, and the president runs the executive branch,
and the Department of Justice, which is the chief prosecuting
agency for federal crimes, is actually under the President of
the United States. So who in their right mind running
the Department of Justice is going to continue a prosecution
against the sitting president. Consequence, consequently, all of the federal

(51:17):
prosecutions will disappear, the remaining state prosecutions where technically the
federal government doesn't have oversight. As a practical matter, Justice
Machan is not going to sentence President Trump to jail,
And as far as depending case in Georgia, that's probably
just going to die under its own weight.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Right when you were talking about Justice Purshat, are you
talking about this is the Stormy Daniels Hushmany case where
we were literally about to have them sentenced in a
few weeks.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yes, that's correct. So at this point, Justice Marshan, I think,
will do the right thing, the just thing, and the
thing that the country really wants, because the country spoke
and the country said we want Trump, and far be
it for Justice Machan and to say something differently. So
I'm sure he will sentence him to a slap on
the wrist if that, and move on.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
What about when he finishes up his term in four
years time? Can they simply resume the cases.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
They're not going to There would be technically an issue
in terms of the failure to prosecute, though the argument
could be made that the time should be told or
stayed or held in abeyance. While he's a sitting president.
He's going to be at that point eighty two eighty
three years old, probably walking out of his second term

(52:37):
as somewhat of a folk hero. No one's going to
be interested in prosecuting him at that point. Hopefully the
country will have moved on and we will all be
far more interested in enjoying prosperity and a good life
than simply trying to correct old wrongs.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Hey, Randy, out of interest, do you know what the
rules are are in terms of how many more terms
he can serve because I know that you can't serve
two terms. You can't serve more than two terms consecutively.
But what if it's broken up.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
I believe that it is eight years your capped total
two terms. Whether it's consec or broken up, it's only
happened one other time in history. I think Grover Cleveland
Alexander is the only other president to have served two
terms non consecutively. But my sense of it is this
will be President Trump's second and final term.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Randy, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much, mate,
appreciate it. It's Randy Zellen, Cornell University law professor. Apparently,
according to the texts, I said that Craigie Range is
in Australia, but it's not. It's in Hawk's Bay, which
is bit of water between the two twenty away from.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
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and global exposure like Noah.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Ellie Jones read PR Jordan Williams. Taxpayers, you you know
had all this evening? Hi you too, Allie? Is your
Facebook feed just melting down over Trump? Like miners?

Speaker 22 (54:04):
No, I kind of haven't been looking at it. It's
it's I do find it really upsetting. I think it's
extremely worrying. A supplier I was talking to earlier today
at work, he actually volunteered that he was stoked that
Trump had been successful. I mentioned the felonies and he
said to me, oh, they were all made up.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
He was stitched up. I mean, it was absolutely mind boggling.

Speaker 22 (54:25):
And I heard your commentary earlier, Heather, about the left
always calling the right bad and so forth, and I
don't agree. I think that the Republicans played the person,
not the ball, more than the Democrats this time. And
not only did they they do it too, they did
it in a really racist, misogynistic, and revolting way.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
So make point, Yeah, you make my point for me.
I mean, no one cares.

Speaker 6 (54:50):
This is the thing.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
This guy is like the worst human being on the
planet in a position like this, and people anyway to it.

Speaker 22 (54:56):
There's more to it, though, Heather, and I think it's
stuff like the social media. I think it's Trump being
on television. I think it's the appeal to the young
men and the testosterone on it. And I think there's
a whole lot of other stuff going on here. It's
not just you know that they love Trump. You know,
the man's a pig.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Here's a pig. But Jordan, the point I was making
is he's a peg, right, and you can look at
it and you go, yeah, but this peg is going
to actually fix the economy. And I prefer his economic
policies to Kamala Harris. And that's ultimately.

Speaker 23 (55:29):
Have you have you been to the U E Since COVID?

Speaker 6 (55:31):
No?

Speaker 5 (55:32):
No, not since COVID.

Speaker 23 (55:33):
I mean it even I've not been on the the
West coast, but certainly in New York. It is just
that it is not nearly as good as it used
to be and a kind of I mean, it is
just a different place now that you're comment earlier, And
why I was giggling was comment that the Republicans were

(55:55):
a lot more personal, that the whole Dems campaign was
not about what they stood for. It was just we're
not Trump. And the thing is that was all baked in.
I think that the idea that that you mentioned television
and things like that, if you think that that Trump's
favorable because there wasn't any coverage on the mainstream networks

(56:19):
got him in, I've going to bridge the bridge to
sell you.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
I follow it.

Speaker 23 (56:25):
You know, the news aggregators. I follow, I've been unable
to consume in the last few months.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
In fact, they nearly radicalized me.

Speaker 23 (56:33):
And I was very empty Trump after January sixth, But
it is went so unhinged that I just turned off.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Just it is.

Speaker 22 (56:44):
It was just celebrity Jordan, I'm talking about a celebrity.

Speaker 23 (56:48):
And ah, all of all of that was baked in.
I mean, the thing is is that that the Dems
that they had a presidential candidate, it's just seemed to
be an empty vessel. And all she could say was was,
you know, I'm not Trump, and people what they already knew.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Yeah, yeah, Well look I don't agree with you.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
I heard what she was saying, and she.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Was saying she might not, but democracy has just played out.
Sad about it and deeply upsetting. I'm not questioning the democracy.

Speaker 22 (57:20):
What I'm saying is I cannot believe that there was
even going that they were even as close as they
were apparently before the before the election. I mean, the
man can't even speak properly. He basically wants.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
To control the women and their body.

Speaker 22 (57:33):
You've got Carmela Harris who actually speaks strongly, clearly, empathetically
and she relates to people, and she actually understands that
women need to have control over their own bodies and
make their own decisions. I mean, this was one of the.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
Main and a yeah, and that's a fair point.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
And that was what they ran.

Speaker 23 (57:50):
That was probably their initial strategy, and you know, and
it didn't work. I just wrote to a very good
friend of mine, in fact, she's the god mother and
my daughter in New York about twenty minutes ago, and
she was she had a really good line that you know,
everything is politics at the moment except politics, which is

(58:11):
which is personal, and that there is a feeling of
real you get that. I mean, we've all if you're
into politics, you know you have, you've lost an election,
you win an election.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
It is very personal.

Speaker 23 (58:24):
But it's what the sort of I will admit as
a sident. Really like Trump that much.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
But it's almost.

Speaker 23 (58:29):
Shining freuder the overreaction from people that clearly just are
not aligned with where the middle class American is and
the blaming on the this you know, well it must
be racism or it must be sexism.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
It's just the clearly clearly not look at the numbers.
Trumps just won the popular voice.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
I want to get your reaction. She's got to take
a quick break and then we'll come back and get it.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
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Speaker 4 (59:04):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Ali Jones and Jordan
William Sorry, Ali, what were you saying?

Speaker 22 (59:08):
That's right, very quickly, because we could talk about this forever.
But the point that you know, Jordan and you were
making Heather about it being a democratic process and he's
won and the people have spoken and so forth. Of
course I'm not arguing against that, but what I'm saying
is that the people who are voting are voting based
on I don't know, like the guy I spoke to
this morning who said, but all those felonies and charges

(59:30):
were trumped up. They were they were made up. You know,
some of the comments and things that are coming out
of Trump supporters mouths conspiracy theories. I mean stuff that
the Dark Web stuff, the Q and non stuff.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
It is just they are diluted. But Delancray not. You
cannot say that every single vote for Trump in a
country that size was informed by conspiracy.

Speaker 19 (59:52):
And I'm not saying that, And I'm not saying that.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
And when you look at I mean there were countless
Democrats and independents who voted for him because they prefer
him to their own candidate.

Speaker 22 (01:00:04):
I don't know who their candidate is, but Kamela, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:00:08):
You meant.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
I thought you meant.

Speaker 22 (01:00:09):
And other elections in other parts of the election.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
So I mean there are I think what happened here
is I don't understand, and I think it's going to
take us a while to figure out why people voted
for Trump. What it was that made them vote was
that the economy, was the illegal immigration? Was it an
anti Democrat vote? We don't It was a cultural wal vote.
We don't know yet. But one thing we absolutely do
know is that for whatever reason they voted for him,
they were prepared to hold their nose and they looked
at this guy and they're like, this guy is pretty gross,

(01:00:34):
but I'd rather vote for him. Zan Karmela, now that gross.
I think he's frightening.

Speaker 22 (01:00:39):
And maybe those people in her own party who didn't
vote for maybe the misogynoy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Now tell me what you're scared of, Ali scared of?

Speaker 22 (01:00:46):
I'm scared of him pressing a button.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Seriously, I could actually do that. The guy is just
so he was he was better for world peace and
stability than Biden carry on, and has a.

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
Long record of being of being a pacifist. I don't
like truck.

Speaker 23 (01:01:02):
Look, I hate this discussion because I've got two hundred
thousand subscribers to the Taxpayers Union, of which both sides
have very strong views, And no matter what I say,
I'm going to get lots of emails complaining about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
How can you have that view?

Speaker 23 (01:01:13):
But I mean, the one thing I am am pretty
confident on is that he has a long history of
being a pacifist, and actually that perception that he's a
little bit nuts and if you push him too far
he might go absolutely a wise, It's actually okay, the
Western world pretty safe.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
I totally agree. Hey, listen on another subject really quickly.
What do you think, Jordan, of the Treaty Principle's Bill,
Now that you've actually seen the thing, are you're happy
with the way it's worded because you weren't before?

Speaker 23 (01:01:42):
Yeah, I'm going to read it on the plane tonight
because I understand that there some changes that that hadn't
been Basically articles Principal two.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Principal two is the one that you care about, which
guarantees the rights of Hapu and Ewe as per the
Treaty of White Tonguey, as long as they're the same
as everybody else's or determined by a treaty settlement.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:02:02):
I think the if the cultural establishment and I'm looking
at U, TV and Z and the like overplay, you know,
the radical idea of a referendum on what our constitution
looks like, you might end up with the very sort
of backlash that the establishment thinks is unbelievable, like what

(01:02:27):
just happened in the US.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Okay, yep, what do you think of it? Alie? Have
you had a look at it?

Speaker 6 (01:02:31):
No?

Speaker 22 (01:02:31):
I heard your really good pracy on the changes, which
made it really clear because I think people are confused
by it. It is reasonably complex. I'm looking forward to
the next six months. I have no problem with people protesting,
talking about it, having robust discussions. But people have got
to be safe and feel safe.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Doing those things.

Speaker 22 (01:02:50):
I heard Barry On earlier playing some audio of David Seymour,
who's got a campaign going about wanting people to support him.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
I think that was Ai. Did you hear it? I
think someone needs to check Allie's not Ai. David Seymour
is a robot that explains that, Okay, good, isn't he?

Speaker 22 (01:03:09):
I mean, yeah, but I'm really looking forward to some
really good discussion. What I'd like to have more of
is is independent discussion on this and not just have
political slinging.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Really yeah, no, mud slinging would be good. Hey, guys,
thank you. I appreciate it. From the pair of you.
Allie Jones and Jordan Williams a huddle this evening, seven
away from six red or Blue?

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Trump or Harris? Who will win the battleground states? The
latest on the US election. It's Heather Duplicy Alan Drive
with one New Zealand. Let's get connected these talks'd me.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Hither? Alli Jones represents why the Democrats continue continue to lose.
Trump is a pig. He's not nice, but America wants strong,
not nice. I think there's a point to that. America
wants somebody strong at the moment, they're like, they just
there's so much effects, by the looks of things, so
much effects. Anyway, listen, biggest sports news of the day.
I can't believe I've left the slate in the show

(01:04:00):
to tell you Ray Gun is retiring. I know ray Gun,
the breakdancer at the Olympics. You know, she of the
Kangaroo Hop and the Snake Slither. She's retiring. She made
the announcement on a radio show in Sydney today, said
she's gonna quit competitive breakdancing because people made her feel
too crap about her performance at the Olympics. That's right, Raygun,
as people that made you feel crap, it wasn't that

(01:04:22):
it was not your performance that made you for it
was other people. But anyway, whatever, Now I'm surprised. I've
got to say, I'm surprised that Raygun went to the
effort of announcing this because I would have just thought
that it was a given that she would be retiring,
because surely, after the feedback she got on the Kangaroo
Hop and the Snake's Slither, it was clear to her
that there was no there was no future for her

(01:04:44):
and competitive breakdancing. It would have just been a given
that she would never ever, ever, ever ever competitively perform again,
because one thing I would be absolutely sure of is
that it doesn't matter what backwater she went to somewhere
in the some random small town at like some high
school competition in the backwater of New South Wales. The
world would turn up to see another raygun performance. So anyway,

(01:05:07):
but bless her for making the efforts to let us
know we should prepare ourselves. We have got listen. I
am fascinated by this. We have got another bank being
tougher on key We dairy farmers than on Ossie dairy
farmers with the emissions directions. So yesterday wasn't Westpac, it
was Westpac yesterday, today it's ben z They've announced their

(01:05:27):
profit today one and a half billion. And then they're
revealed that they're going to force farmers that they leand
to to cut the climate emissions, but only in New Zealand.
Only New zealandairy farmers will have to cut their emissions.
Australian dairy farmers absolutely fine. Benzid's parent company NAB They're
just going to lend to the Australian dairy farmers like you.
Here you go, how much money do you want? Have

(01:05:48):
some money fart away, burp a way ruin the climate.
You all the money New Zealand dairy farmers. No, no,
no money for you unless you stop that fart. What's
going on with the banks number one, overreach mate, not
your place, not your place to be doing this and
telling people to cut a mission since we are you
the carbon police. But also number two, what's up with

(01:06:09):
the double standard? Because this feels awfully like giving a
competitive advantage to our mates over the Tasman and making
sure that we can't compete quite on the same level
playing field. That's not cool anyway. CEO of B and
Z's going to be in front of the Banking Inquiry
at Parliament eleventh of December, and I hope they ask
him questions about this. Rob Fife.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Next, we have Business Insight the Business Hour. We're the
header due to c Allen and my hr on NewsX B.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Evening. Coming up in the next hour. Jamie McKay on
what I was just talking to you about, which is
the bank's treating our dairy farmers way more harshly than
Assey dairy farmers. Sam Dickey on the market reaction to
Trump hint the market went nuts and Liam dan on
what Trump actually plans to do economically over in the States.
Is coming up eight past six now at one hundred million,
this is probably New Zealand's most expensive startup and today

(01:07:03):
Recorp has finally started up. It's opened its new aluminium facility.
Now the company wants to become a big player in
the packaging industry, focusing on aluminum cans and also bottles,
and it's attracted big name investors like Annamobraid, the rich
lister and former and New Zealand executive Rob Fight, who
is actually the chair and is with us now, Hey, Rob, Hi, Heather,
Rob this one. We have been following this story for

(01:07:25):
such a long time. It feels like it's been such
a long It has been so long in the works.
I mean to be fair longer for you than for me,
because you've been there from the outset outset, so you
must be stoked to get the thing opened. When do
you do your first runn of cans?

Speaker 15 (01:07:39):
We're actually already done our first run, so over the
last week or two we've produced about one and a
half million cans, which is just.

Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
To get going.

Speaker 15 (01:07:50):
But yeah, it kind of feels pretty elated to have
the official opening today. But at the same time, it's
relief as much as anything else. Why relief, Well, you know,
for anyone that's built a house, you pour money into
a hole in the ground for a long, long time.
It's really only at the final stage that it takes
shape and you kind of get a sense of what

(01:08:12):
that had hard work is going to realize in terms
of the end result. And this project's been like that,
and I've been going for three years a lot of money,
and it's you know, it's kind of just in the
last couple of months finally you kind of see this
whole thing taking shape and there's product coming out at
the end, and it's like, wow, now we can actually
get out there and start making a difference.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
And making some money. The first one and a half
million cans have they been sold.

Speaker 15 (01:08:37):
They have so pretty much everything we make is specific
to order for customers. And the challenge with this plant
in New Zealand, you know you buy all the all
the plant equipment from offshore and offshore markets. You know,
if you're in the US and you're making cans for
I don't know, Budweiser, then you know they'll do a

(01:08:58):
run of a million or two many cans at a time.
We was here in the New Zealand market, you know,
it was so small, so you know, Behemoth might want
thirty thousand cans at a time, or garage project wants
sixty thousand, and the equipment isn't traditionally been set up
to do really short runs efficiently, so we've had to

(01:09:19):
design this plant in a way that isn't like any
other plant in the world, and that's created a lot
of complexity and all sorts of challenges. But we'll solve
those challenges and we've built a plant that's specifically designed
for the scale of the New Zealand marketplace and we're
pretty excited about that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
It's a bit of a time to be opening a
plant like this with manufacturing shutting down all over the
place because of power prices.

Speaker 15 (01:09:41):
Did that worry you, Yeah, yeah, it did worry. So,
you know, it's one of the topics we discussed with
the Prime Minister. In our first year of operation. I
think we'll spend probably five times more on electricity then
we'll spend on staff cost and the plant example, So
we're very sensitive to both electricity in guests. So it

(01:10:08):
is a concern and they're not issues that are going
to be solved in the short term. But you know,
I do believe that the government is committing to putting
us on a path where we're going to increase our
capacity over the coming years.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
When you said putting us on a path, you mean
the entire country on a path.

Speaker 15 (01:10:25):
The entire entire country looking at how we can invest
in more renewables, and clearly you know they're having a
close look at what we can do with natural guests
and so on.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Now you, Robert also involved to me, you've got your
fingers in a lot of pies, but you're also involved
at Craggi Range Winery. Are you worried about those promised
tariffs from Donald Trump?

Speaker 15 (01:10:46):
You know, we're a small trading nation that relies a
lot on market access. You kind of have to see
the full picture, right He's talking about increasing terrorifts, but
at the same time he's talking about text cuts domestically.
So ultimately it's all about affordability. And you know, the

(01:11:07):
advantage we have is New Zealand. You know, our biggest
wine export into the US is Savignon blanc. The Californians
have been trying to replicate the flavor of the wines
we produce in New Zealand here for some time and
just haven't been able to kind of crack that nut.
So I'm confident ultimately that you know, if you love
a New Zealand savyon blanc and the price goes up

(01:11:31):
by you know, however many dollars. Does that mean you're
going to stop drinking that wine and drink something you
don't like it?

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
Probably not?

Speaker 15 (01:11:40):
Probably not so, particularly if you've had particularly if you've
had text cuts and you've got more disposable income and
your wallet and so on. So I think we've got
to be optimistic and back ourselves that will kind of
be able to adapt to whatever whatever regime unfolds.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
And also you have to believe he's actually going to
do it right. And the thing that you keep hearing
about him is he's extremely transactional and he could be
talked out of things because, for example, he gave us
the steel tariffs, but he was talked out of giving
Ossie the steel tariffs. So if we if we had
him really hard diplomatically, we may be able to get.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Out of it.

Speaker 15 (01:12:09):
Yeah, I agree with that. I think, you know, I
heard once some Peter's on earlier on your program, you know,
And I think the way that at a political level
that we play the next you know, three four or
five months is going to be absolutely critical in terms
of how we set ourselves up to manage this scenario.

(01:12:30):
And you know there's some countries I being listening to
some of the commentary today, there's some countries that are
clearly on the back foot because of positions have taken
against them, you know, the president or about to be president.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
And I think in that.

Speaker 15 (01:12:44):
Regard, I think we're in a pretty good position here
in I reckon.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
You're right reason to be optimistic. Hey, Rob, thank you
very much. By the way, what should I go and
buy if I want to get my hands on a
Recorp can? What should I be buying?

Speaker 15 (01:12:55):
Well, Garage Project one of our first customers, fantastic behemoth.
Get into some of that great New Zealand craft beer.
Great place to start.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
Okay, you're telling a pregnant lady to drink beer, so
we'll just we'll just remember.

Speaker 6 (01:13:07):
That, Rob.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
They do some zero alcohol ones at Garage Project. Hey,
thanks Rob, look after yourself the s Rob five Recorp
Chair Strategic Advisor at Craigie Range Winery as well. Listen
to this. I thought this was fascinating. I was reading
the Economists the other day and apparently, according to them,
the next big thing that Japan's going to start exporting
is fancy toilets. Now, if you've been to Japan, you

(01:13:30):
know what I mean when I say fancy toilets, right ours,
ours are basic our. They would look at ours and
be like, what is this nineteen seventy five version of
a toilet? These guys in Japan, as a matter of
absolute course, like it is so normal in every house.
They've got toilets with B days and toilets with blow dryers,

(01:13:51):
Like you can sit on it, do you ease? Then
you can get the B day, Then you can get
your nice stuff, a nice blow drying down there. Then
they have the deodorant to spin. It just goes off
from within the toilet as well. You've got temperature control
of the water coming it. You can decide if you
want it colder, if you want it warmer, if you
want it scolding hot, can have that heated seats the
whole lot. They've got the flashes like Ferrari toilets. They

(01:14:14):
have been doing this since nineteen eighty, but for some reason,
the flash toilet just hasn't caught on in the West
and the way that it has in Japan. But now
it might at least this is what they're going to
try and do and the reason it might. First of all,
the first reason is that heaps of us have traveled
to Japan, been there and been like, oh, that's so
interesting ideas that you've got here, and so we're probably
open to wanting. Like if a fancy toilet turned up

(01:14:35):
at your local plumbers, you might not be weirded out
by it, And I'm like, oh, I saw that in Japan.
I could be quite into that. Also, their problem is
the market is completely maxed out in Japan. It may
even be declining because they've got an aging market. People
are dying and not being replaced right, so they're gonna
have to find somewhere else to sell this stuff because
there's just no option to increase the market share in Japan. Also, China,

(01:14:55):
which was a big buyer of their stuff, has now
got a big problem because the property market there is
in trouble, so they're not building as many new bathrooms
are they therefore buying the fancy toilets, so might be
sending it here. The biggest problem we've got is where's
your closest power outlet to your toilet? It's probably not
anywhere near the system. So next time, if you are

(01:15:16):
so lucky as to be renovating your bathroom or building
a new bathroom, or building a new house or whatever.
Think ahead, put a power outlet there near the touch,
and then you might be able to get yourself little
blow drying one sixteen past.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
On News Talks, IB.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
Jamie mackay is going to be with us shortly, talk
us through what is up with these Aussie banks going
hard on our dairy farmers right now nineteen per six. Now,
Donald Trump has promised Americans he's going to save the
economy and deal with the cost of living. Liam dan
is The Herald's Business editor at large and with us. Now, Hey, Liam,
so is he just going to do it through tax
cuts and tariffs?

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:16:11):
Yeah, it sounds like that's the formula. People are scratching
ahead of bit as to how it adds up because
he's promised one account. One count I saw was twelve
different kinds of tax cut on the campaign trail, which
talied up to if he did them all, something like
three trillion dollars out of the US revenue, government revenue

(01:16:34):
over the next ten years. Three trillion dollar US dollars
is quite a lot, and that of course means you
need to well, you either need to fund it from somewhere,
you need to borrow a lot more, which is why bonds.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
But he's also promising to pay down debt. Yeah, see that.

Speaker 21 (01:16:49):
There was a British Prime minister who tried tried to
say all that stuff and it didn't work. Trust was
sunk by the bond markets because the numbers didn't add up.
In the bond markets, as they say, are the most
powerful thing in the universe or in the known world.

Speaker 5 (01:17:04):
Look.

Speaker 21 (01:17:05):
Yeah, so it's going to be very interesting. And I
guess what the issue is how much he decides to
worry about everything he said on the campaign trail. There's
going to be some more tariffs, and there's going to
be some tax cuts of some sort, so probably corporate,
and maybe that will stimulate the economy or the rest
inside America putting aside the tariffs.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
I mean, also, his timing is great, right, So he
is taking over presumably as the American economy starts to
pick up, as we start to get inflation under control,
so within a matter of months people will be feeling
better anyway.

Speaker 21 (01:17:35):
Yeah, well, tariffs would be a one off, one off bump.
They are inflate, they would be inflationary.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
I mean, he's not going to go ahead with the
tariff tariffs earlier.

Speaker 21 (01:17:42):
Well, the sixty percent is hard to imagine, you know.
Do you think he would have to do something to
sort of you know, having having talked about them so much.
But I mean, I think the numbers are details, right,
He's not a details guy. So yeah, I think as
long as he makes some move there, you know. But yeah,
so look, does it does it fix the economy? He's

(01:18:04):
certainly in the right place in the cycle. So it
wasn't a great place for Joe Biden because well, you know,
for the Democrats, because inflation is back in the box technically,
but it doesn't feel like it to people for a while. Yeah,
because you know, you can tell people that the economy
is great, and I think that was part of the problem.
That you know, people are being told that the US
economy was great, and they didn't feel like it was great,

(01:18:27):
and so it just played into that whole narrative of
being told by the establishment that they should stop complaining.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
Yeah, totally. It's going to be an interesting one, as
you were just saying to me off there, and we
have to wait until he's an office to really see
what it does.

Speaker 21 (01:18:39):
A lot of speculation over the next few weeks and months,
and of course we could go around in circles in
New Zealand worrying about tariffs and what may or may
not happen for wine growers and so on. But you know,
and and the impact on China. But look at the moment,
markets are very happy, and they're happy because there was
a clear, clean result and also they can white tax

(01:19:01):
hikes off the table yea, and more regulation off the table,
so your Kiwi savers up and you probably don't have
to worry about it till at least January twenty or
whenever the inauguration. So that's your consolateur life. You don't
like Trump, just and enjoy the market.

Speaker 6 (01:19:15):
Run.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
Yeah, to take the money, Liam, Thank you very much,
appreciate it. Liam down. The Herald's Business editor at large,
Yes of the Market says Liam was saying, I loving
the Trump when dal jones are sold by more than
fifteen hundred points. The last time it jumped by more
than a thousand points in a single day was two
years ago. S and P five hundred had an all
time high. NASDA composite hit an all time high. Bitcoins up,
the US dollar is up. It's all good news over there.
Six twenty two, The Rural Report on hither do for

(01:19:38):
see allan Drive Jamie mckaye hosts of the Countries with
Me right now, Jamie.

Speaker 19 (01:19:42):
Hello, Hello, Yeah, that just before I get stuck into
the banks. I might just get stuck into your family
who actually honors the bets and your family because Barry's
gone to the ground over my Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Nothing's toru with me, nothing to do with me. You know,
he's got he's deranged, you know that about Trump, Like
he's he is so sad. He doesn't admit this, but
he's so sad that Carmel has lost because he can't
believe anybody can vote for Trump.

Speaker 11 (01:20:07):
That.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
I don't know, Jamie. It might take him a while
to come around to the idea first he has to
go through the process of the denial, then the acceptance,
then the anger. Then he will pay you your better.

Speaker 19 (01:20:19):
I might be a seventy eight year old man by
then tell him to hurry up a bet to bet,
especially with family too.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Right now, what is going on with Westpac and as
it turns out now B and Z as well going
hard on our dairy farmers and not on the Aussies.

Speaker 19 (01:20:34):
Don't start me. I heard you just before the six
o'clock news saying who makes the banks the carbon police?
And that's exactly what Federated Farmers are saying. And good
on them. They're Banking Inquiry spokesperson Richard McIntyre. I think
you might have had him on the show yesterday, did
you is leading the charge on this and doing a
good job. So you know, as you said, they're asking

(01:20:56):
these Zealand dairy farmers to meet higher a mission reductions
targets than Ossie farmers. Totally unfair, totally unfair. Absolutely the
latest banking surveys incidentally, Heather showed that only one and
eleven farmers supported banks setting climate change targets. As Richard

(01:21:17):
McIntyre said, we've already had emission targets that have been
set by the government, they are who should be setting it.
And plus to add to that, you've got your milk
and meat companies dipping in as well, so the banks
should stay out of it. And what I would say,
even to those meat and milk companies, Heather, is if
you want lower emissions farmers at farming, and farmers reward

(01:21:40):
the behavior, pay a premium. Where is this wonderful premium
that we're getting off shore for our lower missions produce
At the moment, there isn't one. That's why they're not
paying a premium. When they do, farmers will change their
behavior or change their farming practice to suit. But I mean,
we've now got Trump and Barri's mate, he's going to drill,

(01:22:00):
baby drill. So to what end are we saving the planet?

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Oh, Jamie?

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
I mean there is an argument here that the Australian
owned banks are actually giving Australian dairy farmers a competitive
advantage over our farmers.

Speaker 19 (01:22:14):
Oh, it would seem odd. It would seem odd to
me that one. I don't know. Look, I'm just dead
against the banks poking their nose at all. I don't
think Look, they would be better off much better off Heather,
and hopefully the Banking Inquiry shows this to spend their
time going through their books and looking at their risk
margins they've placed upon farming clients and especially some of

(01:22:38):
the usurers. Is that the right words are usury? Yeah, okay,
rates they're applying on overdrafts to farmers. Look, you can
talk about security and farms having higher risks than residential lending,
but I put it to you, if you've got a
farm with say fifty percent equity, remember these same banks
are lending on residential properties with eighty sometimes ninety percent,

(01:23:01):
borrowing ten percent, ten or twenty percent equity. You can't
tell me that if you'll lend them to a farm
with fifty percent equity or better. But if it all
turned to custard, you can't sell them out and get
your money back in a reasonably short period of time. Look,
they are safe as houses. To use the bad pun.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
Now as a fair point to make. Jamie, thank you
so much as always, Jamie McKay, host of the Country Right.
Sam Dickey on the market reaction with us to Trump
Obviously headline's next m.

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Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
Heather rob Fide listens toill so well done. I noticed.
I collect them all in my head in a little
file down and you're listening, you'll listening, you're listening, and
then I give them an easy time when they're on
and if they don't, not not at all, I'm not
going very well. By the way. For the Mongols for
their five year anniversary party, I'm very very very pleased
to say you so, to tell you so. They were

(01:24:13):
supposed to be having this big knees up this weekend
in christ Church to mark the five years since the
gang set up here in twenty nineteen. I know, yay,
yay for you. Anyway, a bunch of them have been
stopped at the border trying to get in. So it's
being reported that a handful of Australian based mong Gooals
members have been barred entry in the last twenty four hours.
And that's about the best gang news I've had in

(01:24:33):
ages twenty three away from seven ever, due for clas
we the Trump victory has resulted in some very sharp
price moves and the asset prices around the world. As
we've been discussing, equities have rallied sharply, bonds have sold off.
Question is what's the early read from the markets? What
does it all mean for investors? Sam Dickie from Fisher
Funds is with us. Hey Sam, he okay, what very well?

Speaker 15 (01:24:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:54):
What did the equity markets think of the victory?

Speaker 12 (01:24:55):
Then globally couldia big moments across the board in it's
nacy classes, but equally strong reaction, so about three percent
up globally, But it was very US centric, so it
was a general backdrop the markets bullish corporate tax cuts,
as bullish less regulation, as bullsh less red tape, and
it's sort of pro growth domestic infrastructure spending. But moving

(01:25:18):
to bonds and they sold off, which is the same
thing as saying interest rates went happened. This was one
thing to keep an eye on.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
So if you look at.

Speaker 12 (01:25:25):
US bond yields now, they're back at levels we saw
way back in July, which was before we saw that
bid repricing and feed rate cuts. So people are bidding
there that Trump will drive inflation and growth higher, which
means higher interest rates.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
Can you read into it how much they're expecting the
interest rates and the inflation to increase.

Speaker 12 (01:25:50):
You can't you can't necessarily map a moving interest rates
to a moving inflation. But if you look at what
the market's pricing in terms of rate cuts by the
feed twelve months ahead. Back in July, the market was
pricing five rate cuts and then when as far as
pricing sort of seven or eight rate cuts at one
point in time. Now they're only pricing free rate cuts

(01:26:12):
and the twelve months ahead.

Speaker 19 (01:26:13):
So people are.

Speaker 12 (01:26:15):
Expecting that the Trump's going to be reflationary and drive growth,
which means the Fed need to cut rates less quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
YEA interesting, okay, And obviously we've seen the currencies move.
Their USD has gone up, Crypto's gone up. How far
do you see crypto going off the.

Speaker 12 (01:26:31):
Back of this, Well, I mean there's a couple of
things coming on here right as one of these obviously
very probate coin and I think he said make America
at the crypto capital of the planet.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
So that's all go.

Speaker 12 (01:26:42):
And the other thing is which I don't agree with
this one, is that some people see cryptos as good
inflation heads. Often fation goes up cryptos it's good place
to be. Now, that's was not true during the twenty
twenty two inflationskes a bit corn actually fell by seventy
five percent as the far far ago. Either the other

(01:27:03):
people out outside of me, you will be able to
give the answer that, or the will be able the
answer to that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
It's a fascinating one to look at. What have you
seen in equities across countries and the cross sectors that
you're fascinated by.

Speaker 12 (01:27:15):
Yeah, definitely the US is the winner, which shouldn't come
as any surprise. But you know, look at New Zealand, Australia,
European and emerging market equipments. They're basically fat and everyone's
watching China obviously give given the rhetoric, and that was
weakest running into the election, but it's held up okay
since So that's that's mildly interesting. But under the hood
in the US is where all the actions being and
some huge moves there. So perceived winners are domestic facing

(01:27:40):
in this sectors. So to give you a few names,
US steal companies up thirteen percent. Is everyone is expecting
the first TARIFFY will throw in China will be steered
back back in twenty sixteen twenty seven. Yours auto manufacturers
are like Forward up five six percent, but this competition
from important waders and of course Tesla is up fourteen
percent because Trumper's mates with Elon and U is trucking

(01:28:03):
in rail company about ten percent, partly driven by this
environmental and emission regulation. And this was quite surprising. Is
giant banks JP Morgan up ten percent overnight because he's
talking less regulation and any roles to perceive losers. Saw
the companies down twelve He said that they are part

(01:28:24):
of the new doing scan and his proposed tariffs that
will impact that sector go figure. And just ranom on
cannabis stocks down twenty percent. He's not in favor of
legalized cannabis. But coincidentally, there was a couple of proposals
today yesterday I think legalized marijuana and Florida and other
states that failed. So outside of that, the only other

(01:28:45):
big moves were interest rates sensitive companies, but property and
utilities they went down because they want to benefit from
this big growth Bernanda that's supposed to come, but they
will get hurt by highlight interest rates.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
So what for investors to be thinking about with all
the stuff going on ome.

Speaker 12 (01:29:02):
Huge move, and I only think it called the market
by surprise. I mean, most betting markets were expecting him
to win, so it shouldn't have covered such a shock.
But I suspect the market was remembering twenty sixteen too well.
So remember the market was convinced he win and win,
and in the unlikely event he did, markets would nose
dive and they got burnt on both accounts. So maybe
once twice shy, Sam, thanks.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
Very much, appreciated interesting times ahead for you, Sam Dickey.
Fisher funds back here. Obviously, if there's inflation over it,
you know, if the tariffs are inflationary, they will inflate,
they will it will eventually impact us. The Reserve Bank
here reckons that a Donald Trump presidency is definitely inflationary
for us, but only at the margins. The Deputy Governor,

(01:29:44):
Christian Hawksby actually appeared today at a Parliamentary Select committee.
He was asked about this and he said, basically, because
of the tariffs which hike the prices, because of the
tax cuts for Americans which encourage spending and stuff like that,
et cetera, et cetera, there will be tariff and there
will be inflationary increases on the margin. It's a higher
inflation package than the alternative, but one that is very
much manageable. In the Brady Nicks seventeen Away from seven.

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Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Zibby in the Brady is our UK correspondent this evening,
Hey d hey head.

Speaker 24 (01:30:20):
They're great to speak to again.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
So Win is Stama going to host Trump in the UK?

Speaker 24 (01:30:25):
So, first of all, there are plans for Starmer to
visit the United States and meet him in the Oval Office,
but there will be an invitation for Trump to come
and they're going to ask him to speak in Parliament
in London. Now they know he is a transactional president.
He is a very transactional man. We know that from
past experience and everything he has said. There was a

(01:30:45):
feeling that because he had the big state visit with
the Queen and he spent time privately with her, there
was a feeling that there's not a great deal more
that the UK has to offer Donald Trump, but they
feel that they might just appeal to his ego by
inviting him to speak in Arliament, so let's see. But
I mean there's a lot concern about what this now
means for the UK relationship, the UK economy, defense, Europe,

(01:31:09):
climate change, I mean everything. You would hope. They've been
planning for him to win. And I think Starmer's not stupid.
I think that's why he went and spent time with
them in New York. They had that dinner, they seemed
to hit it off. But then of course it was
torpedoed a bit a few short weeks later when Starmar's
head of operations, Sophia Patel, posted on LinkedIn and said,

(01:31:30):
I've got a few spots available if you want to
go to America and campaign for Kamala Harris.

Speaker 6 (01:31:35):
Trump went mental over that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:37):
Yeah, now, how is that going to impact things? Because
that seems to me like probably at this stage the
biggest problem.

Speaker 24 (01:31:43):
Yeah. I think because he's won, I think he won't
care now. It would have been more fuel for the
fire had he lost. There would have been claims of
foreign interference in the election, despite the fact that the
Trump campaign had Elon Musk going around giving out million
dollars here, million dollars there. Where Nigel Farage turned up
at the victory party. You know it's I don't know.

(01:32:04):
We're in for a strange time. But as I said
to my team yesterday, it's going to be an interesting
four years.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
Quite, isn't it he Now, what is Robbie Williams down
to upset his neighbors?

Speaker 24 (01:32:13):
Well, another neighborly row in Holland Park, which is where
all the multi multi squillionaires live in a very posh
part of West London. Previously, Robbie Williams famously fell out
with Jimmy Page, the Led Zeppelin guitarist who lives on
the other side of Robbie's mansion, because there was construction
work going on and Jimmy Page felt it was like
living inside a heavy metal band with the noise and

(01:32:36):
the ambition and just the constant traffic of construction. Now
a neighbor on the other side seems to be upset
because Robbie has put in plans to cut down a
Norwegian maple tree that has some sort of fungus on it.
The neighbor unnamed and anonymous, so I'm guessing it's not
Jimmy Page or the papers would have had that. The
neighbor is basically saying that this can be treated, and

(01:32:58):
it's an old tree and it should be left there,
and who's Robbie Williams to do this? So let's see
what the council decide. But then, yeah, Robbie Williams entertaining
the neighbors.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
Hey, is Camilla going to be well enough to attend
Remembrance Day? Do you think the.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
Whisper is yes.

Speaker 24 (01:33:14):
She's had a quiet week recovering in Wheelchurch. She came
back from this big foreign trip.

Speaker 19 (01:33:18):
You know.

Speaker 24 (01:33:19):
They went to Australia, you know, because of Charles's situation,
New Zealand was removed from the itinerary. Then they ended
up in Samoa, and then they hit India and some
spa resort place that Camilla apparently loves on the way back.
So it was a long old trip. And remember Charles,
with the cancer treatment and everything. Camilla has come back
with quite a bad chest infection. We're told she's recuperating

(01:33:40):
this week. A lot of conspiracy theorists here having a
field day saying hang on. There was a big story
in the papers at the weekend, massive investigation into the
Royal money train and how they charge because they own
so much land they're charging schools, prisons, charities, mining rights,
you name it. Money is flowing up to Charles and William.

(01:34:02):
So a lot of people were saying, well, it's very
convenient that Camill has suddenly gone sick for a week.
I think she'll be back and I think they'll do
their duty on remember on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
Good luck tomorrow night Ininda.

Speaker 24 (01:34:14):
Yes, it's going to be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
You look.

Speaker 24 (01:34:21):
Look my brother who is a rugby expert and lives
for the game. He quite frankly, he summed it up.
He said, three out of four years we're number one
team in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
You don't have to be diplomatic on this show. I'm
gonna tell you now. I'm ready for you to thresh us.
So you're welcome to dis close if you want to
ahead of time.

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
Oh look, it's what we do.

Speaker 24 (01:34:43):
We play amazing rugby in between world yepes and then
we turn up and it all goes wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
But we believe our own hype.

Speaker 24 (01:34:49):
That is our problem with Ireland.

Speaker 4 (01:34:50):
But there we are brilliant, brilliance. I love it in
the look after yourself, enjoy the game and we have
a chat again next week about it. Into Brady are
UK correspondent Listen. Infertil has confirmed that it is going
to be joining the Morgan Stanley Capital International All Country
World Index. Now this is significant because Infertilla is in
and Spark is out. Now important that Spark is out

(01:35:15):
because what this means, basically how this works is global
passive funds basically just tigre proportion of their investments to
this particular fund. It's called the MSCI, and so they
just buy whatever is in it and sell whatever's not
in it. And it appears that already this change has
been priced in because Spark shares have been going down
for ages and Infertil shares today already would going down.

(01:35:37):
They were not reflecting the news, right. You would expect
that if this was news to everybody, Spark would suddenly dip,
an Infertil would sudden shoot up. It hasn't happened, so
it looks like it's been priced in. But yeah, the
bad news for Spark investors just will does not end,
does it?

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
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Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
It's the business hour?

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Where hither duplicillen and my HR the HR solution for
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Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Be okay, four or six away from seven. So emotions
were running high during the TV broadcasts of the US
election last night. If you watched CNN, actually, can I
just say observation, right, I've never actually sat down and
watched Fox News, and so last night when CNN went
to ads, we'd flick over to Fox News and then

(01:36:22):
we'd flick back again and stuff. Fox News is a
thousand times more interesting than CNNCN.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
Is pouring like.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
Fox News has just got a lot of people talking
all the time, and it's very fast paced. But anyway,
never mind, that doesn't matter. That's just an observation kind
of see why a lot of people are watching it
for CNN may want to think about the content. Anyway,
Van Jones was losing his mind. Oh he's the black guy,
and he was like, no, people did not want to
vote for a black woman. And I was like, well,
I don't think that's the problem, but you tell yourself

(01:36:49):
that mate. Anyway, he's a bit like that. Anyway. On
Channel four, the UK journalist Emily Maitlist, you know, the
one who did the Prince interview, Prince Andrew interview, was
on and she was feeling like the emotions and stuff,
and she said a naughty word.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
When Donald Trump talked about the eating cats and dogs.

Speaker 22 (01:37:07):
At half of America was just thinking, this is about
I can't believe what he's saying.

Speaker 5 (01:37:12):
This is going to be the end of the end.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
And I will I mean, I'll tell off later.

Speaker 21 (01:37:24):
But because I know she started the swearing, but.

Speaker 6 (01:37:27):
Maybe the middle of the night in Britain.

Speaker 10 (01:37:29):
But they're still a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
Sensitive about that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:37:32):
She said, batch it, that's what she said. I said
it out loud to you. They beaped it. Because over
in the States, Wow, they're weird about swearing in the States.
It's weird that seven Because just a couple of days
ago I had a freend comeback from the States and
we were talking about this. We're talking about how you
cannot swear in the States, whereas when you actually reflect
on it, in New Zealand, we swear as a matter
of course. It's just a describing word, isn't it. It's like,

(01:37:53):
look look at that iffing thing, as opposed to look
at that cute thing. Well, look at that thing that
makes me ang. We just put the swear ward and
just does all the words. It's not it's lazy of us.
I understand that. But anyway, in the States, gee wiz,
you start swearing at them as just a descriptor and
you just you just get out your old kiwi kiwi colloquialism,
just have a little bit of a what what batchit?

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
Whoa right now? Would be fine, wouldn't we? For me
saying batchit three times? Wouldn't we?

Speaker 13 (01:38:20):
I don't know what they're calling of the BSA is,
but yeah, it's definitely against best standard one I did.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
I'd be honest with you, even though I am a
New Zealander who loves to swear a little lotty saying
it's three times on their ants.

Speaker 13 (01:38:33):
Yeah maybe maybe let's not trays, I won't talk here.
Yeah yeah, Champagne soup and over by Oasis to play
us out tonight. Now. The thing we were worried about
with you know, if there are a couple of guys
who probably don't care about swearing couple things actually the
Gallagher brothers, But anyway, we were a bit worried that
they might start swearing at each other and fall out
and then the tour wouldn't happen. But well, I was
gonna say, look, I'm not going to say that's impossible,

(01:38:53):
but the good sign is apparently they've put a whole
album together. Liam Gallagher was just chatting to people on
XA as you Do, and apparently the album is already
in the bag mate, So they've they've been able to
work together long enough to actually put an album full
of songs together.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
Now, okay, listen, can we please drop this thing where
where like the Gallagher brothers are fighting with each other
and just got like just decided on a whim to
have a concert together. I mean, this thing has been
in the works clearly on the down load for ages.

Speaker 23 (01:39:22):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:39:22):
You don't just you don't just overnight make an album.

Speaker 15 (01:39:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:39:25):
The fact that they suddenly had a website all ready
to go and the news websites all suddenly had it
just the right.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
I've probably been talking with each other for years. They've
probably been made the whole time.

Speaker 13 (01:39:35):
I think they planned this whole thing so that so
that they'd sell more albums when they.

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
Finally did it. Conspiracy theory, the few dis fake O,
the feuds fake.

Speaker 6 (01:39:44):
Here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
Yeah, that's bat shit. See you tomorrow

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
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