Full Show Podcast: 08 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither
duplusy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected, youth Falk.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today. Trains in
Auckland next year are going to shut down for more
than a third of the entire year. We'll speak to
the Transport Minister, Simeon Brown about that after five and
Strawn former All Black on Ireland versus the All Blacks
tomorrow morning and who's going to take that one out?
And we're also going to go to Argentina to find
out who has been charged over Liam Payne's death.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Heather Duplicy Ellen, listen.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
I reckon we might want to consider doing never mind, no, no, no,
not consider I reckon we should I reckon we should
do what the Australians are planning to do and ban
the kids from using social media until they reach the
age of sixteen. At the moment, we don't have a
huge amount of detail on what actually is going to
happen in Australia, but we've got a little bit of
a sketch kind of emerging, and what we know is

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the Australians are planning to put in the highest age
limit in the world at sixteen. And then the other
very important thing is they going to put the onus
on social media companies to make this work. Not on
the parents, not on the kids, not on the government,
not on anybody else. It's going to be on the
social media companies to keep the kids off. So there

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will be an age verification tool and it will be
an official one, either biometrics or government ID, and the
social media companies have to use it, and they have
to keep kids off if they haven't hit sixteen yet,
and if they don't, they get penalized. And this is
exactly how it should work, because if these social media
companies are not forced to take responsibility, they will not

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take responsibility. They will simply blame someone else ago it's
not actually our job. It's up to the parents. Oh whoops,
the kid's got on. Ights up to the kids. Oh whoops,
the kid's got on heights, up to the government. Oh whoops,
the kid's got on That's basically how they'll roll, because
that is how they roll at the moment. Because I
can tell you with absolute certainty they are not taking responsible.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
They know full.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well that their product is really bad for the developing brain.
And they also know that they're supposed to keep the
kids off until they're thirteen, and yet whoops, a whole
bunch of kids with age under the age of thirteen
just happen to have social media accounts. Whoops. Now, I
have absolutely zero tolerance for any argument from these companies
that they can't do this. Yes they can. They are

(02:26):
literally tech geniuses, so if they've got an age verification
tool make the tech work. They are extremely wealthy, so
if there's some sort of a penalty that involves money,
they can pay that fine. And they are also some
of the founders and a whole bunch of the employees'
parents as well, so they should be caring what is
happening to caring about what is happening to other people's kids.

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And you know what worst case scenario is they do
the thing that they always do and they threaten to leave.
So what be my guest, bugger off, leave the country.
I don't care if Facebook or Insta or TikTok or
x pulled out of Australia or if we were to
do the same thing out of New Zealand tomorrow. I
could not give less of a toss. This literally does
not make your life any better. The only people who
I can see he would actually really really be hit

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by these guys pulling out are businesses who are impacted
because they advertise on and have a business accounts on
these social media companies. We managed to make it work
on the internet beforehand. We will make it work again right.
We will simply go back to using Google and finding
ways to advertise and get ahold of businesses through Google.
So the more I see what Australia is doing, the

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more I want us to do it. And I'm bloody
well I hope we do.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Heather Doopers L.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Nine two nine two, you can hit me with it.
Standard text fees apply obviously now. N CEA. Speaking of
the kids, n CEA exams have been running for only
one week and already we've got to complaint that the
exams are too hard now. The teachers at Diocesan Girl
for School for Girls in Auckland have written to NZQA
complaining about the Level two maths and biology papers. The

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school's head of maths says that the writer of the
algebra paper was trying to be creative, was a little
too far removed from the classroom. The principle of DIO
in Auckland is Heather mccrayon with us. Now, hey, Heather,
how are you. How are you? I'm very well, thank you.
So what I mean, like, have you had a look
at this? This this genuinely looked too hard to you.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Well, it were just parts of questions, Heather, that were
outside of you know, the guidance. It's in the curriculum,
and it wasn't all questions, but there are some parts
of questions that weren't specifically relevant to what was required
to be taught. And I think that's an issue for

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all students throughout New Zealand. And you know, we want
assessments at the highest standards, you know, particularly those that
are fair, reliable and that gould to be valid. And
you know, we had questions around that, and I think
all of our students in New Zealand should for their
national qualifications have an assessment that is all those three things, fair,

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valid and reliable.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
So did you look at the math paper in the
biology paper?

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Not in detail. I've taken feedback from the head of
Maths and also the head of Biology and also our
heads of faculty who have oversight of them, so they
confirmed that there were parts of questions that were very
hard for students to actually get an idea of what
the examiner was asking. And where you've got, you know,

(05:24):
really literate kids who are having problems with that. I
think sometimes that it's easy to read and proof read
an exam paper, but you have to actually do it,
and I would like to see much more rigor put
in to ensure that those assessments are valid and reliable.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
And also there Okay, so the complaint about the maths
paper is question one D on page four. I'm having
a look at this right, and basically what it is
is they've got a cylinder and it's a drinks manufacturer
who wants to be able to have the cylinder hold
a volume of five hundred mills but reduce the surface
area that the cylinder has. That's a straight math's equation.

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What's hard about that? This is level two?

Speaker 4 (06:04):
No, that's fine, but there are other parts of that question.
I understand, you know that our head of faculty questioned,
and that's.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
The that's the one that we were told as a problem.
We were told level two mathematics with stats papers here
see question one D on page four that's.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Okay, right, Well, you know, I can't tell you the
details of that. I'm a scientist myself, okay, and.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
You're are you like your FA with the biology question
about the cats and the dominant and the and the
recessive genes.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
There was a comment that Boon had passed on to
us about one particular question that enrolled involved I think
the difference between messenger RNA and transfer rna. And you
know that that is often not taught to a higher level,
and certainly I did when I did my biochemistry degree.

(07:00):
We didn't do that till level one at university. And
I understand them perhaps looking to see what's beyond you know,
the concepts of that question. But by the same token,
if it's outside of the curriculum, then it is unexpected
you will get a normal spread of achievement anyway through

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asking students what they know in canboo. But if you ask,
well beyond that, you know you're dealing with students who
are committed to learning. You know they're nervous about examinations anyway,
and then you know you put them in a situation
where they make a question really hard and outside of
what they know, and you know is that fair.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
I don't think it.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Gives students the right opportunity to find out what they
know understanding they do.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, the reason I'm asking you this, Heather, and I
don't I'm not accusing you guys of this at all.
I'm just trying to establish with what is going on
is that we have too much of education is making
excuses for kids at the moment. Is that more?

Speaker 4 (08:06):
That's an interesting question in what way?

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Well, I just see at the moment because we're having
this back and this is a broader discussion, and I'm
just trying to figure out if this is what is
going on here. So you know, I'm not saying it is.
I'm asking you the question. But we do have this
at the moment discussion going on in the country about
beefing up the curriculum across a whole bunch of areas,
and there are a lot of educators coming out and saying, oh,
I can't possibly do that, can't possibly make the kids
at these exams and stuff, And it almost is just

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like accepting a dumbed down version of society. And I
just want to explore whether that is going on here.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, I'm not one of those I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
They're not in diet.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
And our school is not like that. But what we
do want is a very strong and rigorous qualification for
us to get through NCA. And to be honest, we
haven't had a lot of confidence and rolled out of
the change to NCA, which we think will be good
because they do reinforce the rigor of NCA and we

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are fortunate enough to offer international bacloriate as well. But
for other students who don't have that opportunity, we want
a really high quality in caa qualification with assessments that
are fear reliable and reflect the highest standards of assessments
that are available. And I'd like to see that really
improve throughout the country.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
All right, Hey, Heather, thank you for your time. Has
always really appreciated. Heather McRae, who is the principle of
dire in Auckland. Hither my daughter prepared well for the
Level two Maths and Biology and came home pretty disappointed
because the exams were bloody hard. To be fair, I
couldn't answered either of those questions. To be fair to me,
it's been a while since I did I didn't actually

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do NCA. Did I was before the time of NCAA.
But I mean it's well over twenty years since I
was sitting my level to biology class. Jeees. But man,
I looked at that and I thought, I'm so glad
I'm not at school anymore. Four seventeen.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Who will take the White House Results and analysis of
the US election?

Speaker 6 (10:05):
On?

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with One New Zealand Let's get
connected news talk said, be sport with tab get your
bed on ri E team bet responsibly.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Jason Pine sports talk hosters with US, actually weekend sport
hosters with US just right now are Piney?

Speaker 7 (10:23):
Hello, Heather?

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Now Piney? I mean this is Would you say the
Ireland game is going to be the hardest game of
the season for the All Blacks?

Speaker 8 (10:31):
Yep, I think so. And that's off the back of
two losses in South Africa as well. Ireland are a
good team. They hate us, they love beating us. A
lot of history between these two in Dublin Friday nights
with six day turnaround rather than seven. We're missing vone
and Barrett and Cody Taylor. They've beaten us before the
quarter final last year five of the previous eight games.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
Yeah, it'll be tough. Very tough.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
You got any gossam what Ethan Degroup's been up to.

Speaker 7 (10:57):
No, I don't have any idea about that at all.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
It's the interesting one, isn't it. Okay, listen, talk to
me about it. Could you just want to tell me
which way you think it's going to go?

Speaker 7 (11:06):
I think that all Blacks will win the game?

Speaker 3 (11:07):
You reckon?

Speaker 9 (11:08):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Why?

Speaker 10 (11:09):
Yep?

Speaker 8 (11:09):
I No, I just have this funny feeling. It's based
on nothing other than a gut feel that they're going
to do it. I just and honestly, I would love
it if we beat them, because you know, I remember
back to the quarter final last year, they were so
certain they were going to win that game. You know,
zombie was ringing out around whatever ground they were playing at,
and they were you know, they were about eighty percent
Irish fans in that ground, and from talking to people

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who were there that night, the sense of deflation around
this cocksure Irish fan base was just delightful to watch
and I just want to have more of that tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
This is a nasty side of you. We don't get
to see a lot and I like it. Hey, do
you think the F one drivers should be fine for swearing.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
This is crazy right, this is the new Formula one
Boss Mohammad been sillyam He says, our drivers are not rappers,
therefore they shouldn't swear. Look, this is high, high elite
sport right, Look goodness me. I can't think of a
sport where swearing doesn't happen in the heat of the
moment or when you know, passions are running high and
things like that. I feel like the boss of Formula

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one needs to worry about other things rather than when,
rather than whether, you know, one of his drivers curses occasionally.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Which are they getting fined?

Speaker 8 (12:17):
Well, they're getting fined sort of, I mean comparative to
what they earn, not a lot, right, So Charles Leclair,
I think he earned about thirty million dollars a year,
got fined fifty grands. So for you and me, it's like, well,
for you, it's probably you know, different, it's different. It's
different for you and me. But they also know where
the money goes. There's no transparency about where that fine
money goes.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
So you know, for example, due by way of comparison,
if one of the let's say the All Blacks lose
and they come out and sit the press conference and
just have a little swear What would we do?

Speaker 7 (12:48):
Nothing? Wouldn't we would do? We would do? What would
you do?

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Well, No, I wouldn't do anything. I'm just wondering if
that ethan de group the player.

Speaker 8 (12:57):
I No, I look, I think, well, I guess it.
Hen's on the swear word. There are certain words you
wouldn't really want.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
You wouldn't go sea bomb, would you?

Speaker 7 (13:05):
Absolutely not?

Speaker 1 (13:06):
No?

Speaker 8 (13:06):
And I don't I think even even if I think
even F bomb and maybe even S bomb unless it
had a ball in front of it, would probably not
be acceptable.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Well, that's the whole range of swear words, Piney, what
are the swear would are you planning to use that
runs with hat?

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (13:23):
Yeah, that one.

Speaker 8 (13:23):
There's I mean, there's the there's right at the very
bad end that I'm not even going to allude to
that sea word.

Speaker 7 (13:30):
You know what's worse than the sea word?

Speaker 3 (13:32):
The N word.

Speaker 8 (13:33):
Anyway, these Formula one drivers think that's absolutely it was
absolutely that's a slur.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
That's not even a swear word. That's like a whole
other level.

Speaker 11 (13:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (13:42):
Look, anyway, I think the Formula one, I think the
I think the Formula one drivers were just sort of
you know, gosh darn you know, and they're be getting fine.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Lord pony and we went off on a weird path
and I'm sorry about that. There's Jason Pine Weekend Sport host.
I mean, this is a bit silly, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Actually?

Speaker 3 (13:58):
What would we do though, if the All blex Imagine
if the All Blacks captain whoever the hell that is,
one of the Barretts came out and was like, do
you know what? That was a really eft performance but
blah had a bit of a rant. Would we be
upset about that? Would we expect some sort of punishment
or would we be like, eh, some emotion from a guy.
Interesting times for twenty.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Four Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get
the facts. It's Heather Duplessy Allan drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected and news talk as that'd.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Be twenty six past four. Hey, how mental is this?
So it sounds like Auckland's entire rail network, not just bits.
The entire rail network will be closed for ninety six
days next year, so between Christmas this year and basically
let's just say the end of summer twenty twenty six

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ninety six days.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (14:49):
That's like Math's question. That's like either somewhere between a
quarter and a third of the entire year. The thing
is going to be blinking well shut for It's crazy,
isn't it. So if you're catching the trains, it's like,
I don't know, you're gonna have to Lord above, You're
gonna have to have some backup plans. I hope that
they're going to be doing this when we have some

(15:10):
I don't know, school holidays, so at least, you know,
got fewer cars on the roads, every house and jumping
in their car off the train stuff. Anyway, the reason
they're doing it is because they have to upgrade the
rail network. Now I get that, you know, it is
a busy rail network. This needs to be upgraded to
the CRL, which is the underground train going round around
that's going to open. But anyway, it can't be good
for getting patronage up on the trains, like it can't

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be good for encouraging people to use public transports. So
Simmy and Brown will be us after five to explain
what's going on here here that it's not fair to
examine students on content they were not taught. Teachers are
guided to teach by the curriculum, and if as the
question that falls outside of this, then you're doing students
a disservice. Which is fair enough here that my child
moved from a prestigious school to a normal school. The
kid is a merit student student due to a lack

(15:52):
of their own effort, they're probably capable of excellence. They
and their friends had no issue with the maths exam,
including the excellence question. So you go headlines.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Next, hard questions.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
That's a strong opinion.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
He the duper see allan drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected and news talk as it'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Sure to think of all the traffic from moving containers
that would normally be on rail, which is now going
to be added to the motorways. This is a fair point, actually,
thank you for that, Jason. So it's not just going
to be people who are commuting and on the trains
and stuff from the metropolis that has pooka koe, but
it's also obviously all of that freight and stuff that
would be on the rail that now has to go

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on the road as well. So it's gonna be it's
gonna be it's gonna be a busy old time twenty
twenty five on Auckland's roads. Well stay away if you can.
Damn Missison's with us very shortly and Barry Soper in
ten minutes time. Listen. Three people have been charged over
in Buenos Aires over the death of Liam Payne. It
sounds like somebody who quote accompanied Liam Payne. Don't know

(17:09):
if that means accompanied them him to to Argentina from
somewhere else, don't know. We're going to find out. Also
a hotel worker and somebody else who supplied him with
drugs will go to a correspondent there about quarter past five.
It's twenty three away from five right now.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
It's the world wires on youth talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Russian President Vladimir Putin has congratulated Trumpy on his victory
in the US election. Here's what vlad had to say.

Speaker 12 (17:33):
Here's a desire to rebuild relations with Russia, to facilitate
an end to the Ukrainian crisis.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
This deserves attention at the very least.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Pouti also said he admires the way that Trump handled
himself after the assassination attempt. The German government has collapsed.
So the Chancellor all of Schultz has fired his finance minister,
Christian Lindner, after they disagreed over spending cuts. So Linda
pulled his party out of the governing coalition. And that's
what happened. Here's the Chancellor. I was forced into this
decision in order to prevent damage to our country. We

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need a government capable of taking action, that has the
power to make the right decisions for our country. That's
what I needed in the last three years and that's
what I need now. And finally, forty three lady monkeys
have escaped from a research facility in South Carolina for
what's obviously going to be a girl's night on the town.
The authority is about to tell people to keep their

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doors locked and their windows closed, and they've warned residents
to stay away from the monkeys if they see them.

Speaker 6 (18:31):
Now.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
We're not sure how they escaped, but this is the
fifth time that there has been a breakout of this
particular research facility in a decade, so clearly security is
pretty lax.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
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Speaker 3 (18:47):
Dan looking to the US correspondence with US Dan, Heather,
how are you feeling tired?

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah, tired?

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah, I think I've seen your Facebook posts. Yeah yeah,
more describing words please, about how are you feeling.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
I'm feeling actually a little relieved that it's over, a
little anxious about what's going to happen in January, and
even more anxious that we're going to start talking about
twenty twenty eight and about, oh, I don't know, maybe
fourteen months to see who's going to throw their hat
into the ring, which I know will be Governor Gavinue.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
So no disappointment that the Orange Man got elected.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
No, I mean it's not It's not really my job
to say if I'm disappointed or not. It's still a
human Dan, It's my job to say that I was surprised.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yes, I was going to ask me that, were you surprised?

Speaker 6 (19:40):
I was.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
If you had asked me three months ago who I
thought was going to win this election, I would have
said Donald Trump, hands down. And that was when Joe
Biden was still running the taste. Then I had a
good feeling about Kamala Harris, and then in the last
couple of weeks there just felt like a change that
was going on, even though I didn't think Trump was
at his best out on the campaign, and the fact
that when the early pulling number started coming in, I

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mean right away, and you saw just that that big divide.
I said, Oh, this is not this is not going
to be one of these things where we don't know
who's going to win for two or three days, like
everything's predicting.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, Dan, you know, I try to warn you. I
try to warn you. I try to do a solid
by you, my friend. And I was telling you he's
going to win all the swim states and we're gonna
have We're gonna have a result on the day. I
tried to tell you. But anyway, you didn't want to
listen to her. Now look at you.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
You did.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Anyway, It's going to be a fun four years, though
we can at least we can at least get it
at But I'll tell you what you know. For all
the people who think that Donald Trump hates women, it
is quite something that he has appointed Susie Wilds to
be his chief of stuff. And am I right in
thinking that she is the first woman in the history
of your country to be appointed as chief of stuff?

Speaker 5 (20:46):
She is, And that is just a head scratcher to
think that it has taken that long to get.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
And it takes a lady hated to do it.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Well, yeah it is.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
And basically, I mean she's she's the one who's credited
behind the scenes for helping Donald Trump to win this thing.
I mean, she goes all the way back to the seventies,
in the early eighties. She worked with Reagan back in
the day. But she has avoided the spotlight, which is
why a lot of people don't even know who she is.
She didn't want to take the mic when Trump said
come on up during the celebration Wednesday morning. And I

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think most people will agree that she's earned his respect
and maybe we'll stick around for a while because during
his first administration he went through I think three or
maybe four chiefs of staff. But apparently this is a
woman that, you know, when she doesn't like what Trump says,
he knows it and respects that, and she can just
sort of stare him down.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
She has a vibe about her that's not sycophantaka like,
she has quite a matronly vibe. I reckon that she
would have him by the shortened curlies. She'd be killing
him off.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
I think, can I tell you, this is the highlight
of my week, honestly, when I get to talk with
you about this stuff.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, I from the other side of the world.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
But you're right, You're right, And I think she is
going to stick around for a little while now.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Joe Biden, I think he does deserve the criticism that
he's getting at the moment for holding on too long
and essentially helping Kamala to lose the election.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
I think he deserves part of that. After listening to
him speak today, I think this was probably the best
speech that I've heard him give in some time. I mean,
he seems sincere, he seemed presidential. I think he gave
the tape of message that most people wanted to hear
and needed to hear over here vowing this, you know this,
this peaceful transition, and saying setbacks are unavoidable, but giving

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up is unforgivable. I thought it was a very well
written speech. I thought he looked on on target. It's
too bad that he didn't do this six months ago,
and he didn't come across like this six months ago.
They may not have had to drag Kamala to the
to the front of the DNC, and I mean, who
knows where she's going to end up, you know, in
the future in terms of the party, but I think
it's safe to say for the next four years, basically

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this is going to be a Republican led country and
Donald Trump is the you know, the godfather of the
Republican Party.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, it's quite an interesting time. I dan listen, thank
you very much, and I look forward to talking to
you again next week. Another highlight of of your weekend,
Ted Mitchison, how you is correspondent Susie Wiles. Though, Ah, Susie,
if you have a look, you just google her over
quick Google. It's not the Oxy Whiles, like our Seoxy
Wiles with the pink hare, the epidemiologist. It's like standard Susie.
Do you hard you feel? How do you think our

(23:15):
Susie feels about now not being the most famous Susie
Wiles in the world. But anyway, so google Susie Wiles
and you'll see what I mean. She looks like his mum,
Like she is one of those ones. She will remind
him of his nanny, do you know what I mean?
No mucking around with her. She's going to be running
the show and you know that for sure. And if
she leaves, well it's one of those ones whereas like
when the office lady leaves and everything falls apart as

(23:38):
that kind of vibe the queen. How about this? Eh?
So apparently Queen Elizabeth was still keeping a private diary
regularly until two days before she died. So she died
on eighth of September a couple of years ago, so
eight September twenty twenty two. And on sixth September, two
days before she died, last entry she just wrote, Edward
came to see me and it was Sir Edward Young

(23:59):
her privates, and then she made some notes about the
swearing and of her new Privy Council members, and then
died in a sleep a couple of days later. Seventeen
away from five politics.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
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Speaker 3 (24:10):
Certainty Barry Soper, senior political correspondence with us.

Speaker 11 (24:13):
Hey, Barry, good afternoon, Heathery.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
So what does Luxon sound like? Does he sound like
he's keen on following the example of the Aussies with
the social media?

Speaker 11 (24:19):
Yes, well I will, I'll play him in a sec
But yes he does. And like you said in your introduction,
Heather that the tech giants would be responsible for banning
kids under sixteen. It'd be a revolutionary task to take
on because no one else in the world does at

(24:39):
that age anyway. The new laws were presented to the
state and territory leaders in Australia this week and they'll
be introduced to Parliament in late Novembers. So they're going
ahead with it. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how
it works. Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram,

(25:01):
they say that they'll respect any age limitation the government
wants to introduce. Now that being very cooperative here, and
if they are, you'd think that would be the battle one.
But I think it'll be a pretty hard one to implement.
Neverth you were going to say it's something, but nevertheless,
you think it would be hard to imply. Well, you know,
I mean, how a kid can hit a button saying yes,

(25:23):
I am sixteen years old, and.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
That's how you do it. So how you do it?
There are a bunch of ways that you can do
it right, But what you essentially want to do is
you want to have a third party, like let's say
the government that verifies your age. So I'm going to
use you as an example. So you Barry Soper, you
send in the government knows how old you are, right,
you're above the age of eighteen. It's you have a
verified token or something like that online that says this

(25:48):
account user is over the age of eighteen, which allows
you then to have a social media account to all
these things. Right, So that's what you do for the kids.
And if they're not over the age of eighteen, then
they're not age verified. They don't get to have it.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Now.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
This also will solve a whole bunch of other problems
for us potentially where we have thirteen year old kids
and younger eight year old kids going on porn websites.
Now you can start to prohibit that as well. We've
got to get on top of the totally freedom and look,
the tech solution is out there. They just don't want
to find it because these guys don't get wound up here.

(26:20):
Social media companies want the kids hooked on their product.

Speaker 11 (26:26):
Yeah, no, I totally agree. Well, the idea was put
to Chris Luckson today and I'm going to say he
seems quite keen on it.

Speaker 12 (26:32):
Haven't listened to it, but I've got some interest in
that idea actually, you know, just with respect to what
we've seen with respect to cyber bullying in particular in
New Zealand, and we've seen some real advantage of the
cell phone ban across the schools. But that's something that
frankly our cabinet hasn't discussed in detail, but there's something
that I'd be open to discussing in the future.

Speaker 11 (26:50):
So certainly there are other issues that are probably more
pressing for the government.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
At the moment, but cyber bullying is the least emergent.

Speaker 11 (26:57):
I would imagine that it'll be before cabinet.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I would love to and you know what, kudos to
the Aussies for having the balls to Actually now I'm
a little bit disappointed to see the Order to General
doesn't want to get involved in the Kazy Costello stuff.

Speaker 11 (27:09):
Well, look, technically it's not the Order to General's job.

Speaker 13 (27:14):
Now.

Speaker 11 (27:14):
Aischeverel made a big deal about calling the Order to
General in well, I think the letter that she got
back is pretty self explanatory. Actually, it came from the
Deputy Order to General Andrew McConnell. He said that the
Office can hold public organizations to account for their performance

(27:36):
and use of public money, but was unable to express
views on the merits of government policy decisions. I mean,
if you want to really take it further, you go
to the ombudsman and talk about, you know, whether something
is okay or not. They can include examining a decision

(27:57):
maker basically whether it's approbe create on an agreed process
that has taken place. But they can't win. A government
makes a decision on policy. It's not the Order to
General's job. And to me it just shows the Aischaviral,
being a relatively new MP, should really understand what the
role of the Order to General.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
I'm only disappointed because I thought that if the AG
got involved, at least we could put one of the
world's most boring stories to bed.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well.

Speaker 11 (28:26):
I couldn't agree more with that. And you know, and
not a great deal has been made by the media.
I think that Aischaviral's sister in law was unbeknown what
she was unbown Costello in her now, you know, honestly,
this has been a mess from start to finish.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Hey what about Seymour having a crack at the net?

Speaker 11 (28:48):
Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it. I mean, look, they
can beg to differ and that's part of their coalition
agreement with varying parties. But I think you know, what
David Seymour doing is showing that we can make the
hard decisions. We've bought the Treaty Principal's Bill into Parliament.

Speaker 14 (29:04):
Well, you know, you go.

Speaker 11 (29:06):
And he says that the government is essentially averse to
taking on hard issues. Well, he said it on Hosking
this morning. When you look at outlawing gang.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Patches, it's not a hard issue.

Speaker 11 (29:19):
Well it's pretty hard, you're well, it's popular. Are scrapping
the Moldy Health Authority.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
That's a hard that's a hard decision.

Speaker 11 (29:27):
The tunnel decision in Wellington.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
That's not a hard decision.

Speaker 11 (29:30):
Well, I think it's a pretty hard decision.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
Really.

Speaker 11 (29:33):
Well, maybe he's got a point.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
He's got a point. But Luxon and the people who
are advising him are terrified of dealing with the Treaty issue, right,
Either either they don't understand it, or that terrified of.

Speaker 11 (29:45):
Being because I think we should be having the debate.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, or that terrified of being labeled racists or whatever.
But Chris Luckson has not mounted a coherent and convincing
argument as to why he doesn't want to go here
because actually there is a there is a convincing argument
as to the way we should.

Speaker 11 (30:00):
David Seema would think that Hope is still alive because
you know he's going on social media. Dear, I say
it and really appealing to the public over and above
the politicians. This overwhelming support on this and submissions to
the Select Committee. Who knows what the government might do.
Although I'd say that it's too late for the National

(30:23):
Party to back down.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Now Lackson's painted himself and bloody awkward call it on
this one. I think. Okay, Barry, thanks, I really appreciate it.
We'll wrap the political week that was with you later
on quarter past six. It's Barry Sober, Senior Political Correspondence
seven away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Digging into the issues that affect you the my hosting breakfast.

Speaker 15 (30:39):
A jobless rate is still to rise, Yes it is.
But if the forecasts were wrong now, my bet is
those who think it will go to six percent will
be wrong next year. I've had a number of doctors
over the year. I couldn't care less who they are.
Couldn't get a manned woman. I've had agent Wan.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
What's it matter?

Speaker 5 (30:53):
How is it.

Speaker 15 (30:53):
You couldn't get National across the line on this, why
is it dead?

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Essentially?

Speaker 8 (30:57):
I think the National Party are afraid of taking on
hard issues.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
That's why I never joined the National Party.

Speaker 15 (31:04):
Back Monday, from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
the Rain drive of the LAHN News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
There are quite a few texts coming in saying I
can't read them because speaking about swear words before, and
there's a little bit of swearing going on here, but
basically accusing Chris Luxiner being a coward on this and
siding with David seymoy. I do think that Chris Luxon
may have a little bit of an issue, a little
bit of a problem emerging on the Treaty Principles bill,
but we see how the thing plays out hither. I'm

(31:30):
totally with you on the social media issue. Having bought
and sold a few houses over the past couple of years,
I've lost counter the number of times I've had to
go through those verify me processes where you take a
picture of your driver's license or your passport and then
take a video every face to get verified. So sure,
kids could go on to their parents or siblings phone
and use social media, but you know, at least try
to get them to age identify. I couldn't agree more hither.

(31:52):
I know it's Friday or a text like that, you
know someone's wound up. I know it's Friday, and I
know I should be relaxing a bit, but it absolutely
guts me that Grant Robertson, who left us in an
absolute pile of financial decay things he can beg note
by giving his money away because he's in a privileged position.
What a bloody joke. What about this guy though? Way,
So credit like credit to Grant Robertson. What he's done

(32:15):
is he's on a pretty good wicket now, like he's
on well over six hundred hour years, so that's that's nice.
And he lives in Dunedin, so it's going to go
a hell of a lot further than it would do,
and you know, in the North Island. So he's decided
that he's going to open seven scholarships for kids at
Otago University and each of them is worth seven thousand dollars.
So he's actually setting aside fifty thousand dollars of his
own money for scholarships. That's a lot of money. Good

(32:36):
on him. But then he loses the room, doesn't he
Because then he's like, hey, guys, hey, guys, hey, look
at what I'm doing. I'm giving away scholarships. I feel like,
isn't there something is Edwards? Isn't there something in the
Bible about like you, if you brag about a brag
about your generosity on earth, Earth, you don't get the
riches in heaven or something like. I don't know, he might,
I don't know, something like that, but yeah, big noting.

(32:59):
That's not a good idea, is it. Anyway? Listen, We're
gonna have a chat to Sammy and Brown the Transport
Minister next up and find out what the hell is
going on with the rail system in Auckland and why
it has to all be shut down for basically like
a quarter of the year next year. And then after
that Ant Straw and former All Black on whether we've
got this game in the bag this weekend or are
we in trouble?

Speaker 16 (33:17):
News Talks ebe of the Next Too, the Next two.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
The Only Drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.
Heather Dupless The Alan Drive with One New Zealand Let's
get connected the news talk as.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Afternoon. It looks like Auckland rail users are set are
in for a whole lot more disruption next year. The
entire rail network and the biggest city will close for
ninety six days in total in the next thirteen months
to upgrade the network, which is basically, when you think
about it, one in every four days. It's going to
start this Christmas is going to carry on until the
end of January twenty twenty six and Transport Minister Simeon

(34:13):
browners with us, Hey, Simeon.

Speaker 17 (34:15):
Good evening.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Does this shock you that this is necessary?

Speaker 18 (34:19):
Well, it is.

Speaker 17 (34:19):
Necessary because we need to make sure we don't have
ongoing works following the CRL opening. But ultimately this rebuilt
has been fully funded by the government so that once
the CRL is open, we can maximize its benefit and
actually make sure we can get more people onto public
transport and as it transforms public transport in our city.
So I get this is going to be incredibly frustrating

(34:41):
for rail users, but we have worked very closely to
make sure that the disruption is minimized around the Christmas,
New Year blocks, Easter blocks, long weekends and school holidays,
rather than during those other times when traffic is far
worse on our road. So we have everything we can
to minimize the disruption, but totally acknowledge very frustrating.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Not possible to do it overnight.

Speaker 17 (35:02):
There work we round twenty four seven around the clock.
So the idea here is having the closures for four
weeks over Christmas New Year's twenty four to seven work
get in.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I understand some mean so they're doing blocks and then
they're doing it twenty four seven, But would it not
be better to leave the tracks open during the day
when people are using them and then shut them down
every single work.

Speaker 17 (35:21):
You can get about thirty percent more efficiency by actually
having a full closure and getting in there, because otherwise
you've got to set up that takes time. Overnight, you
got to pack down again or your gear, make sure
the railway is safe again, and then get back into
the work. So it's about maximizing efficiency whilst minimizing disruption,
so it's finally balanced. I appreciate the frustration that many

(35:41):
Aucklanders will be facing with this, but we have to
get this work done before the city rail link opens.
Aucklanders will not tolerate if this work is ongoing and
there's a continued line closures once the city rail link
is open.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Is it only going to take ninety six days?

Speaker 17 (35:57):
There's contingency built in around around some of these as well,
so ultimately that's the amount of time that's there. We've
made our expectations incredibly clear to Kyral. They have to
work around the clock, get the work done.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Promise you, though have they said, it's only.

Speaker 17 (36:11):
Commitments to me, and we will be holding them very
clearly to account.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
What happens if it takes longer than ninety six days.

Speaker 17 (36:17):
Well, look, there are well in terms of the time,
and there is no more time other than what has
been provided, as you'll see in terms of the calendar
that's been published. So there's the ninety six days of
full closures, there's a number of days of single line closures,
and there are some single line contingency closures which have
been built in. So they have built contingency into this
program that's been published. But what we've done is we've

(36:39):
been very clear about what the program is, people can
plan around it. We've taken major events into account as well,
and by putting that the disruption to those school holidays,
it means that the buses that would otherwise be available
would be required for school bus routes are available to
make sure that there is alternatives to hate people when

(37:01):
the trains are closed. So it has been well thought through.
I get the frustration those is very challenging. We have
to get the work done though before the city railink opens.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Col Man, Hey, best of luck with it, Sime, and
thanks Simon Brown the Transport Minister.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
The dule, it's a really big.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Rugby game for us tomorrow morning our time. The Irish
will get the chance at revenge because remember the All
Blacks knock them out of the World Cup and Strawn
as a former All Black and is with us A.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
And afternoon Heather, how are you?

Speaker 13 (37:26):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, I'm good. It's going to be tough for us though,
isn't it, because we've got Body and Cody out with
the injuries.

Speaker 19 (37:32):
Yeah, I guess those force changes with al Moore and
McKenzie coming into those two critical spots, we're probably the
only changes that the All Backs were going to make.
But you know, by all accounts they both contributed significantly
when they came on against the English. So a pretty
settled look about this All Black side.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Though, do you think that Damien McKenzie has proved his placeman.
Has he convinced you in that position?

Speaker 19 (37:57):
My honest answers, probably no, not yet. He does add
immense value coming off the bench, and I think there's
been a lot of focus on what numbers sixteen to
twenty three do with this all Black team, particularly at
the back end of games, and he does really well
coming off bench to be a legitimate starter and you know,
to encapsulate all the critical things you need from a

(38:18):
pivot at number ten. I think he's still missing something
when it comes to an international level in terms of
his consistency, So still some work to do in that regard.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Hey, this Sexton thing, is this a thing like has
he got inside their heads? Or is just a bit
of fun?

Speaker 19 (38:33):
Oh look, there's a whole lot of versions to this,
aren't there. I mean there was a probably a little
bit of nastiness around it initially, just frustrations born out,
you know, at the height of a World Cup quarter final,
lots of pressure on both teams, particularly the Irish, and
you know that probably was there for a little while.
But I think, you know, ruby plays in general move
on pretty quickly, so I don't think it's been a

(38:56):
major issue. But yeah, we never really know because the
react definitely to certain things. So what we will what
we do know who is that this is going to
be real spicy this game because you know, the Iris
are playing at home. They've got a point to prove
and always very tough to but I mean they've been
so consistent on the global scale too, you know, so
that arguably the are the favorites coming into tomorrow morning.

(39:18):
So yeah, it's going to be a wonderful test match.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah, good stuff. Hey, have you got any gossip? What
it is that Ethan de group did?

Speaker 6 (39:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Not at all.

Speaker 19 (39:27):
Unfortunately I'm an old thing now, so a lot of
those things escape me these days.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
We're all out of the loop. And if we found
out would probably be just be very jealous that he
managed to get up to something fun And thank you
very much, appreciate it. And Straw and former All Black
together do for see you well here that you'll thinking
of Regrant robertson the Parable of the Widow. The poor
widow gave the couple some sense quietly, and the rich
man gave the couple a lot very loudly, made a
big deal about it, and Jesus said he got his reward,

(39:54):
but the woman who gave out of her very little
would have riches in heaven. Thank you, David. That's the
one grant. No riches in heim heaven because you skyeted
about it too much on Earth. Now, two of our
education ministers have today given the PPTA quite a big SmackDown.
Do you remember how David Seymour had said a few
weeks ago that the government was going to enforce the

(40:15):
rule that teacher only days could only happen during the
school holidays and could not happen during term. Well, the
ppta's obviously just given him the giant finger, haven't they.
They've now scheduled a paid union meeting during a school day,
and Erica Stanford and David Seymour are really not happy
about it. They put out a joint press release, which
is in and of itself reasonably unusual, says unions shouldn't
get in the way of student learning, urging the Post

(40:38):
Primary Teachers Association to put the education of their students first.
The ppta's decision to schedule paid union meetings in a
manner that has resulted in some schools closing for instruction
is completely unacceptable. It flies in the face of our
commitment to and the expectations of parents. I mean, get
a grip ppta. We know how this has go and

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Speaker 1 (41:59):
Ellen.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
I meant to say. The rugby match kicks off in
Dublin just after nine am our time tomorrow and you
can tune into z B for Life commentary with Elliot
Smith and Gregor Paul. It's eighteen past five now. Three
people have been arrested over the death of the One
Direction star Liam Payin. He fell to his death from
a Buenos Aires hotel balcony last month. Valen Ritziba is
an editor of the Buenos Aires Herald Higen Valen Hi

(42:24):
have that now I see that one of the charged
apparently accompanied Liam Payne. Now what does that mean? Does
that mean that they accompanied Liam Payne to Argentina.

Speaker 9 (42:33):
It sounds from you know, the information that I received
from the prosecutor that it's someone who accompanied him when
he was in Buenos Aires during his stay, not that
this Esson came with Liam to buenas aids.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
I see, okay, and they are charged with abandonment when
he was in a vulnerable state and supply.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Is that right?

Speaker 20 (42:53):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (42:53):
Exactly, that first person is charged with abandonment, and there's
also you know, as you meant the intro that there's
also accusations against two other people about providing drugs, and
this first person also has that. But the big one
is the abandonment for this first person.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Do you how do you determine what? I mean, this
seems to me a really tricky charge, because how do
you determine what a vulnerable status that might lead to
somebody being in a real, really big trouble and you
can't abandon them.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
That's a fantastic question.

Speaker 9 (43:26):
I mean, reading through what's been sent on by the prosecutor,
you know, they've gone through over eight hundred hours of
security camera footage. Dozens of people have testified. There's evidence,
of course that there was alcohol and drug consumption in
the seventy two hours prior to his dead. So I
think I am not the prosecutor, I am not legal counsel,

(43:50):
but I would assume that that is the It is
the conjunction of all those things that lead to that
charge being made.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
And villain the hotel employee also charged with supplying drugs.

Speaker 9 (44:01):
Yes, the second persons is a hotel employee and is
being charged with two occasions in which they provide Limpagne
with cocaine. How volume was at the hotel.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
I was fascinated to see just the other day a
headline flesh up and say his body was being returned.
I mean, that is a long time for authorities to
hold onto a body. Is that normal?

Speaker 5 (44:24):
That is again a good question.

Speaker 9 (44:26):
I wouldn't know, because this is obviously complicated by the
fact that this is a foreigner in Argentina, So I
don't know if that made things difficult. The last time
we spoke, I remember saying a lot about the fact
that there's a sound what's being processed, because this is
an ongoing investigation, So I think that's also a factor there, where,

(44:48):
you know, things were sort of held up while the
preliminary studies were being made. And in fact, the ruling
by the prosecutor hasn't been released yet, obviously, as it's
the first thing we asked for, right, you know, to
see the original ruling. The prosecutor said, you know, we
would rather not because there are still some elements that
we are you know, some loose hands that we are

(45:10):
still tying up, and so we don't want to put
out everything just yet.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
That makes sense, Hey, Valin, thanks very much for talking
us through it, as always as Valin Adicibau, who's a
herald editor at the Buenosido's Herald. Five twenty one.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
youth talks.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
That'd be Apparently the Irish are being encouraged to do
something with our hauka as well. We're going to talk
to the sports tuddle when they're with us shortly. It's
five twenty four. I'll tell you what this time on
a Friday appears to be turning into props Friday because
last week I gave the old props to Todd McLay
for doing an awesome job at his job. Basically, I
suppose I'm about to give props to Winnie Pee for
being awesome at his job as well. Because if you

(45:50):
had any doubt that Winston Peters is very good at
being Foreign Minister, this week should have put that right
out of your head. He picked Donald Trump was going
to win this week, or at least had a very
very good chance of winning this week, and so he
this is Winston Peters. He got our ducks in a
row to make sure that we as a country are
on the best position possible with Trump. Now, what you
need to understand about Donald Trump is that he's not

(46:12):
a rules guy, right. I mean, I think that's abundantly
clear to us. He's not a rules guy. So he's
not the kind of guy who's going to care that
he's supposed to be nice to New Zealand to meet
with our people because we're friends of America. That doesn't
matter to him. He's a relationships guy. Now there's a
story about how Australia got an exemption from Trump's steel
tariffs last time he was president. Remember how we got
whacked with it but Ossie got off. Well, apparently it

(46:32):
was because Malcolm Turnbull, who was the Prime Minister at
the time of Australia, had a bunch of meetings with Trump.
When he knew this was going to happen, he scheduled
a bunch of meetings with Trump, including one on a boat,
just to get friendly. And guess what, when the tariffs
came out, they didn't get a tariff whacked on them
and we did. So Winston has basically made sure that
we are lined up with our relationships. He's put Roseberry

(46:54):
Banks back into Washington as our ambassador. She was our
ambassador last time Trump was there. To have somebody be
the ambassador, go away and come back as the ambassador
is quite unusual and very deliberate. And the point of
that is basically, she's got existing relationships, doesn't she. And
apparently according to journo's who went with Luxelon to Washington,
DC in July, they now understand why there were so

(47:15):
many meetings between Luxon and a whole bunch of Republicans
at the time. Now, compare Winston's approach this time around
to what the Ossies have done this time. The Aussies
have been complete, like just fools about this. So they
stuck Kevin Rudden as their ambassador about eighteen months ago.
And this is a guy who is now having to
delete tweets in which he called Trump a tweeter, a traitor.

(47:36):
That's not getting your ducks in a row? Is it
at all so impressive from Winston? Props to him because
not only did he read the mood right that Trump
was going to win, but he also started preparing for
it yonks ago. And that is the benefit of having
probably the most experienced foreign minister in the country's history
at the helm at a challenging time. Ever, do see
now this is quite funny. Okay. There is a photo

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on the Vanity Fair Instagram account at the moment can
Bow one of their Pulitzer Prize Award winning photo journalists,
a chap called David Hume Kenneley, and the photograph is
of a man at the Kamala Harris HQ on election night,
absolutely distraught. He's gutted. Ay, He's got one hand has
got his phone to his ear and the other hand
has got on his head. He's got his head in

(48:17):
his hands and he's bent over looking at the ground
and he is gutted. Actually, what's going on is that's
Mark Gilbert while he's on the phone to us on
this show just after five o'clock while the election results
were coming in, and he wasn't distraught at all. He
just couldn't hear us very well. So he had his hand,
he had the phone as tight as he could to
his face, and then the other hand, his head wasn't

(48:39):
in his hands. He was trying to block he was
trying to block his ear and then bend over to
cut the noise out. And remember he wasn't distraught at all,
because he was the one who was going, everything's fine,
Kamla's going to be out in thirty minutes. It's absolutely fine.
We're still got parts to victory. We're gonna win. So
how funny is that the photograph that will go down
in history as distraught man is actually man on the
phone to Heather on the radio in New Zealand. It

(49:01):
loans next.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first, Heather dupleic Allen
drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talk
z B.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Hey, Heather, it's absolutely fine to compare Winston to the Australias,
but how about comparing him to Mahosia. What would you give? No,
we're not going to do that. It's triggering that we're
done with that for now, aren't. We're into a new phase.
We're facing forward. Otherwise we're all just going to get
sad and cry again. Listen to this though, This is fascinating.
So Helen Clark this morning was saying on the radio
that the government might want to rethink its moves to

(49:55):
get closer to the US now that Donald Trump is
the president.

Speaker 13 (49:58):
But given the general feeling in the New Zealand public
towards the election of President Trump, I can't think that
it would be a popular thing to do to be
seen to be strategically realigning with an administration which is
volatile and quite unpredictable on foreign policy.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
And then she went a little bit further explained the
dangers as far as she can said of being too
closely tied to the US.

Speaker 13 (50:22):
New Zealand has valued the ability to make its own
decisions about where it engages offshore, how and when, and
not wanting to be dragged along by the policies of others.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Now, Jeffrey Miller, who is a geopolitical relations expert at
Victoria University, has thoughts on this, and he's going to
be thus after six it doesn't really matter. I mean,
I'm sort of the opinion if you don't like heaps,
people in this country don't like the US, right, They're like,
don't go anywhere near the US. You saw what they
did in Vietnam, you saw what they did in Iraq,
And it's a totally totally legit opinion to hold. But
I don't I don't know, maybe it gets slightly worse

(50:57):
with Trump, but we felt like that with Biden, didn't me,
So I feel like if you I don't. All I'm
trying to say is I don't know if Trump makes
it worse or not. But we'll talk to Jeffrey Miller
after six on that twenty three Away from six.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
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Speaker 11 (51:19):
Take it out, Sudsy tb Heyeslam Ireland has basically all Blacks,
the culmination of a historic wack in Chicago.

Speaker 21 (51:29):
Just need to get it out in the Irish Final
four thirty two twenty two, the crumpling of an all
Black empire before our eyes.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Say to.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
A bad alay the All Black.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Finals Finals on a sportshddle of that's this evening, Nicki Styra,
sports journalist Lavin a good sports journalists and commentator, High ladies.

Speaker 20 (51:58):
Good evening, or how can I hello.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Looking forward to them ripping that out tomorrow? I'm gonna
be waiting for it, Lavina. What do you reckon toughest
game of the year for the All Blacks?

Speaker 14 (52:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (52:11):
I reckon Actually, to be honest, yeah, I think, yeah,
I think with the way the Irish number one in
the world and the All Blacks have looked a little
vulnerable over the past six to eight months, and yeah,
I don't know, like lots of people are saying that
you All Blacks can come through and win out and
after that game against England they're feeling very confident.

Speaker 20 (52:31):
But I've not reckoned the Irish. I've got it. I'm
gonna tip the Irish. Done with the Irish and done
with the Green Heather.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Oh no, Nikki, what do you reckon? I'm going to
have to agree with Lavina there.

Speaker 10 (52:40):
I think the Islands the Irish side are going to
be too good and obviously that massive home advantage and
you know, on paper these teams are fair the eave
and but I think the big change here is the
loss of Cody Taylor and you know, and bod and Barrett,
because I don't feel like Damien McKenzie is quite the
number two that we needed in the starting pack. But hey,

(53:02):
anything can happen and T's mates rugby, can't.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
You are right, Nikki?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Is this still like there was?

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Remember when the Irish started first started beating us all
those many years ago, at the time we said this
is the one team you didn't mind losing too, because
everybody loves the Irish. Is it's still like that?

Speaker 10 (53:20):
Well from a personal note, yeah, I mean I love
the Irish, so I don't think anybody who's a patriotic
all black supporter likes losing to any team. But if
you had to pick one, and maybe maybe Ireland would
be it, but no, I'm staunched.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
All the way right Leavina. I was asking the question
obviously because things like it's been so friendly and nice
with them for ages and then the Johnny Sexton thing happened,
and I just wonder if it soured it.

Speaker 20 (53:44):
Yeah, I think it did. I mean, like from nineteen
oh five to what twenty thirteen, it was.

Speaker 6 (53:49):
All all blacks, all blacks, all blacks, and then there
was no expectation at all that the Irish would be
able to.

Speaker 20 (53:55):
Be an all blacks team, and then they did it,
and then they did it consistently.

Speaker 6 (53:58):
And now it'll come down to tomorrow morning, and I
think there's a few nervous people out there, and I
agree with Nikki's some of the selection process. I mean,
we don't have Boat and Barrett out there and that's
a concern. And Gamien mackenzie was honestly picked as the
number ten first of all, but he hasn't really you know,
represented like we would hope. But I really feel as
though the pressure right now is on the All Blacks,

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and even though they're not known as number one in
the world at the moment, but they're the ones that
have to perform and try and win, and if they don't,
I mean, like the all Black critics, which are the
fans that love the All Blacks, they'll be the first
to come down hard on them.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Are you, Levina? You don't sound like you're convinced by
d mac No.

Speaker 20 (54:36):
I'm not, no, no, not at all.

Speaker 13 (54:38):
Ah.

Speaker 20 (54:40):
I feel as though he's a magnificent player and he
plays rugby really well, but I don't feel like he's
an orchestrator.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
I don't feel like he has that kind of manna
that can take aside, you know, and make those decisions,
you know, and like the kicking game, like he's got
a great kicking game, but in terms of like decision
making when you're kicking and why you're kicking and why
it's that kick, I feel as though he actually, I
actually feel.

Speaker 20 (55:02):
Like Damien McKenzie doesn't feel comfortable with that role either.

Speaker 6 (55:05):
You know, I don't feel like he's playing his best
rugby because when he's not playing for the All Blacks
he's magnificent because he doesn't have that sense of I
have to create something special now to try and win
a game.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Have we got in his head?

Speaker 10 (55:19):
Then?

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Is that what's going on?

Speaker 20 (55:21):
Yeah? I don't know if different players different attitude. I think, Heather,
what do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Look? Is it just a confidence or what's up?

Speaker 5 (55:30):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (55:30):
Look, I personally feel like Damien McKenzie is is just
the type of player that he just needs a little
bit more space, a little bit more time. And perhaps
that does come down to playing multest match football. But
Boden's got that under his belt. He just us his
decision making it seems to be better under pressure. And
I think with the Irish Pack.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
They're going to come at them hard, especially in that
first sort of half.

Speaker 10 (55:49):
An hour, and if Damien's put under pressure, then potentially
he's going to make some poor decisions.

Speaker 20 (55:54):
And also I think he's playing the wrong position.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
I think I don't think his first five I reckon
he plays so much. But like you said, think he
needs space and time and for that he shouldn't be
first five.

Speaker 20 (56:04):
He should be playing full back.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
That's where he gets that opportunity to read the play
and play his best rugby.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
What do you think about that? And I keep bold call?
What do you say?

Speaker 10 (56:14):
Oh, look, no, I'm comfortable with him there, but I
just would prefer he was coming off the bench. I said,
you know, you've got a big, big problem when you
start dealing with the Jordy Barretts and the Will Jordans
and other players that can fill those full batcasions. So yeah,
look that's selection thing. I'm no selector. I can only
go from what I've seen out there. And he was

(56:34):
fabulous off the bench as a as a you know,
a bench first five against England, and it's just a
shame he doesn't get to play that role at again
this week.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Now, Lavina, what do you make of punishing these F
one drivers with a fine for saying a swear word
in a press conference?

Speaker 18 (56:49):
Ah?

Speaker 20 (56:49):
Good, It's so interesting, isn't it. I think it's really
come like.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
F one make lots of money, broadcasting sport make lots
of money, lots of money, and a lot of the
drivers come out and said, like, you want to make
money out of us because where we can be expressive
and be dramatic, and that's how you make money with
shows and stuff. But every now and then we might
drop an expletive and I don't think the viewers would
be so perturbed by it. It just comes down to

(57:16):
someone in charge that actually doesn't like someone swearing, but
like they swear and their drivers there, and I feel
as though the drivers are unhappy with that decision, the
fact that they're not allowed to do that.

Speaker 20 (57:26):
It doesn't bother me so much. I think it almost
adds to the drama to buy it.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
But here's the thing. Okay, so we were talking about
the nikky just yesterday actually because somebody Emily Maitler's of
the BBC droped the It was sort of I think
she said batshit frankly on one of the American channels.
It's yeah, and they bleeped it and they were like,
oh jake. They kept on apologizing. Well anyway, what I
realized from it though, what it reminded me is that

(57:53):
in New Zealand we love a swear word.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Right.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
We're Australasian, so we swear all the time. So maybe
maybe it's different. Maybe if they're trying to appeal to
an mirena audience, they get really offended by that stuff.

Speaker 20 (58:02):
No, I don't agree with you there.

Speaker 10 (58:04):
The only reason I'll say this is because my darling husband,
who really loves to get involved in my conversations, pointed
out that in American sport, you know, in the NFL basbook,
they swear all the times. Yeah, they do, and the
coach you see them swearing, and it sort of seems
to be an accepted part. They do it on the podcast,
you know, they are very expleted. So I don't think

(58:25):
it's necessarily an American thing. I think where the difference
comes in, and it's, as he points out, also, it's
about image. It's about what image do you want to
portray out there? And then if one it's very proper,
it's McLaren, it's Mercedes, you know, it's it's it's very
expensive companies, brand and image at stake, and so you know, swearing,

(58:45):
they can see that it tarnishes that image and they
don't like that, albeit that this has come from the
f one governing body, this decision. So I think sometimes
the you know, the drivers, they're just going to have
to suck that up, and who wouldn't for the money
they get paid.

Speaker 20 (58:56):
They beep it out anyway, they beep it out. It's
all good.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
They beat it's being buck Slovina. You could buy a
brand new U. Well, I don't know if you can
buy a European car, but you could buy a brand
new car for fifty thousand dollars. I'd be really good today.

Speaker 6 (59:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (59:09):
Yeah, thats a lot of coin. And that's where it hurts.
The driver's most is in the back pocket.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Okay, we'll take a break. Come back to you guys
in just a tick quarter or two.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
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Speaker 3 (59:24):
Right, you're back of the Sports Hittle, Nikki Styrus and
Levina good Nick. I'll tell you what I was surprised by, right,
Sir Graham Low launching a bid for an NRL license
with the Southern Orcas. What I'm surprised by is we've
got three different groups of people now in the South
Island who reckon that they can make this thing work,
and they've got money behind them. How can they be ignored?

Speaker 10 (59:44):
Oh, to have a crystal ball who knows how the
NRL operate and what their set of criteria was, And
it sounds like ifs Graham Low was a bit baffled
by you know, what they wanted as well, And I
mean he's kept pretty tight lipped, says it's a sort
of an NBA issue. But whether that's the case or
whether they just they just don't want another New Zealand
team in their competition, so they're making it as hard

(01:00:05):
as they can. I wish I could give you more
than that, but I don't actually know. I think it
would be great for New Zealand Rugby League to have
another one, just like we've now got on the football,
but to get it across the line could be tricky.
I mean, I think there's a lot of teams in
Australia that are you know, sorry more you know areas
that want to have more NRL teams just from the

(01:00:25):
Australian regions themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
So they get to a petition, Yeah, they.

Speaker 10 (01:00:29):
Do it as an Australian competition. Maybe we just need
to start one here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
I think we've tried our own little competitions before it. Lavina,
you've got a good oil on it, do you know
what's going on.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Yeah, I'd love to see another New Zealand team in
the NRL, but the National Rugby League of Australia does
not want that, and in fact, they don't want the
Warriors doing well. They just want to control the situation,
get bums on seats and the product of the NRL
is fabulous, But to have another New Zealand team there,
it would just kind of take the fan base away

(01:01:01):
from somewhere else and they don't want to. I would
love to see it, Heather, I really think it would
be fabulous, but I don't think it's going to happen,
regardless of how much money or how much support you have.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
No a conspiracy for you either too.

Speaker 10 (01:01:12):
You know, if they had a team from christ Church
and they started penalizing them like they penalized the Warriors,
and you start seeing, you know that this christ Chitch
team losing in the same fashion that the Warriors do,
then maybe they ask questions about unconscious by But don't
get me started on that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Are you are you a Jason Paris?

Speaker 13 (01:01:27):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Are you off with you that they.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
Do?

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
You think they pin us deliberately?

Speaker 10 (01:01:33):
I think that there has definitely been matches where they
have not wanted to see New Zealand team win Lavena.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
That's a big yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:01:43):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (01:01:43):
I think there's a lot of New Zealand rugby league
fans that think the same as Nicky, and I've watched
a lot of the Warriors games going, oh my goodness, that.

Speaker 20 (01:01:50):
Is a bad, cal bad call.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
I have seen so many bad calls from referees throughout
the NRL, in all games, throughout all situations, not just
against the Warriors. So I couldn't say that I totally
agree with Nikki on that one. But I do know
the NRL does not want another New Zealand team. They
want to control. They've got a great brand, it's a
great competition and as we've seen over the years that
so many fans of rugby are turning to rugby league

(01:02:12):
because it's a great competition, great brand, it's fantastic and
they don't want to They do not want to turn
that pot up side down.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
But you know how this is going to work. How
this is going to work is you and I have
listened to Levina and we've heard her commons since and
then then as soon as we see the next call,
we're going to believe it again, penalty.

Speaker 10 (01:02:31):
She's got an Australian accent.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
You know she's biased.

Speaker 10 (01:02:35):
She's just don't like to bring that up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Yeah, I was just going to say, Lena, I heard that.

Speaker 20 (01:02:41):
I'm not entering this argument.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Levina, I heard you one quite well. On the Melbourne Cup.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
Oh my goodness, I have I have a twenty year
old daughter studying in America and she was born on
Melbourne Cup Day two decades ago.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Yes, every year I.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
Put money on to an eleven to an eleven, and
every year I lose money, lose money, lose money. And
for the first time ever, I went to put money
on two good odds. I thought great eleven, was like,
oh my god, sixty five bucks. You're kidding, No way,
no way, put a little bit on there. And then
I was celebrating and happy and so happy.

Speaker 20 (01:03:14):
And then the election came and.

Speaker 6 (01:03:15):
Then Trump won, and then I was depressed and depressed
and depressed, still depressed.

Speaker 10 (01:03:19):
Header So you know what, though, Heather, I don't know
one person who either didn't do an easy bet bet
on the color of the name of that horse, or
even't got a friend whose last names night and they
didn't even back it. Because it was such an outsider
and exactly when you think, you think, how on earth
could you have picked out in the million years you know?

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
So, hey, hey, well done to you. The Vina that yeah,
I'm flaid.

Speaker 20 (01:03:40):
I'm going to put it all on island to Maroniki
just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Oh lord, okay, and then you're going to be depressed
all over again. Hey, guys, thank you very much appreciated
our sports hutle, Nickey, Styrus and avena good ate away
from sex.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Red or blue, Trump or Harris? Who will win the
battleground states?

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
The latest on the US election is Heather Duplicy allan
drive with one New Zealand just get connected.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
These talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Here that Helen Clark's we anti Trump outburst is exactly
why left wing elitists are losing trust and support worldwide.
They think they know best, and I find it incredibly patronizing.
I actually take a different view on this because I
think I don't I don't think Helen is a like
to put Helen in the same kind of bucket as

(01:04:25):
the modern Labor Party is not fair. Helen was actually
incredibly centrist when you think about it, like could read
the mood of the country did a whole bunch of
stuff that I would argue even the National Party would
find a little difficult to do nowadays. They wouldn't have
the courage of their convictions and be like the National
Party loves to dip their toes and the left from
time to time, so I don't think it's fair to
lump her in with them. I just think that Helen

(01:04:46):
has very strong convictions on the tie up with the US,
really doesn't want us to be tied up with the
US militarily, and will use this as an example to
forward her argument.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
I don't actually agree with her necessarily on her views
on the US, but I think that's where she's coming
from with that. I got a lot of respect for
her opinion, even if I don't agree with it. Just
really quickly before I go back to Donald Trump, and
the police are warning you need to be careful if
you're trying to sell your house at the moment and
you're holding open homes, and particularly if you are in
the West Auckland or the north Shore region of Auckland,
because apparently what's happening is that there are some thieves

(01:05:20):
that are going to open homes and targeting them and
stealing stuff. So they have There are at least three
incidents that the police are aware of. And this is
people who've realized what's gone missing. So think about the
number of people who don't know what's gone missing and
haven't reported it to the cops. Somebody nicked what these
guys nicked a ring worth twenty thousand dollars and a car,
and they nicked the car because they found the spare

(01:05:41):
key in the garage. So be careful. Make sure you're
real estate agent's got people all over the shop, eyes
peeled everywhere. Back to Trump. Okay, here's the thing baron
Trump the tall one. Somebody said today six foot seven.
I thought it was six foot nine, but anyway, we've
got to go with six foot seven whatever. That's enormous. Anyway,
Trump the tall One is now being credited with helping

(01:06:02):
his dad win the election. Now, the thing about this
kid is he's eighteen years old, right, so at eighteen
year old, eighteen years old, he's into the kinds of stuff,
particularly podcasts, that the bro voters are into. Bro voters,
these are these young boys, you know, like that young
cohort through to maybe I don't know, twenty five thirty
something whatever. They don't generally vote. They have opinions, but
they don't vote. But apparently he got them out for

(01:06:23):
Trump because he because he got Trump on the podcast.
So apparently one day Trump was out playing golf and
one of his campaign consultants called him up to see
which podcasts he wanted to go on. And Trump said
to the guy called Baron, sees what he thinks, and
let me see what he thinks and let me know.
And so the guy called Baron and Baron was like,
I really like this podcast called Aidan Ross, and Dan

(01:06:44):
should go on that one. Aidan Ross has got an
estimated seven plus million followers. So Dad goes on Aidan
Ross basically invites them around to mar Lago in August,
they do a podcast It's viewed more than two point
six million million times or something like that, raging success.
After that does a bunch of podcasts at Baron likes,
including Joe Rogan and There you Go. Brobot came out

(01:07:05):
Headlines next, and then Jeffrey Miller, Oh hell, what's what's down?

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
What were the major calls? And how will it affect
the economy?

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Business question is on the Business Hour with hither duplicy
Allen and my Hr on News Talks EV.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Even in coming up in the next hour, We're going
to go to Peter Lewis, our Asia Business correspondent, see
how they feel about Trump, because you know, are the
ones who are going to be hit with the tariffs
the hardest, aren't they. Barry Soaper will rap the political
week that was for us and Gavin Gray with this
out of the UK right right now at a seven
past six. So of course, question now is how are
Kiwi's going to feel when New Zealand starts getting cozy

(01:07:51):
with Donald Trump? Former Prime Minister Helen Clark this morning
when the radio suggested the government might want to rethink
its moves to get even closer to the US.

Speaker 13 (01:07:58):
But given the general feeling in the New Zealand public
towards the election of President Trump, I can't think that
it would be a popular thing to do to be
seen to be strategically realigning with an administration which is
volatile and quite unpredictable on foreign policy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Jeffrey Miller is a geopolitical relations expert at Victoria University
and with US. Hey Jeffrey, welcome back, Good evening. Heather
has Helen got a point. Look, I think.

Speaker 18 (01:08:27):
Everything will be on the table here, and we're going
to have a new US administration that always means a reset.
So it's a big question whether the US will be
keen to go through with UCUS under Donald Trump. Remember
this was a Biden initiative, so you know, everything is
on the table from both sides. If it is going ahead,
will they want New Zealand still involved in Pillar two?

(01:08:47):
And will New Zealand want to be involved? If you're
Christopher Luxon and the centrist trying to position your position yourself,
you know, to capture that center middle ground, do you
want to be associated with Donald Trump? I mean, they
are a huge numbers of questions here for New Zealand
when it comes to foreign policy, it's really big.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Let's look at what Trump's calculation might be so on ORCUS.
The thing that he will like about UCUS is that
it is aimed at China, which he doesn't like. But
then the thing he will not like about UCUS is
the cost of the thing. Right, So how does that
play out? What do you reckon ways beggar stronger on him?

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
That's right?

Speaker 18 (01:09:20):
And Donald Trump is very, very transactional, So if he
thinks it's a good deal, if it's in the interest
of the United States, perhaps he'll go through with it.
If he doesn't think that the US is getting a
good deal, he'll make the likes of Australia the United
Kingdom pay up a lot more. I just think it
really remains to be seen whether if UCAS is continued
with whether he will want to have a bit player

(01:09:41):
as he might see it in New Zealand getting involved.
You know, this was the Biden strategy. You had this
lattice work of all these agreements across the Pacific, and
Joe Biden was very interested in climate change in the
Pacific and re engaging with Pacific island countries. I think
Donald Trump is all about great powers, and if he
wants to stick at the ch I know he simply will.
He will do it unilaterally. We won't feel the need

(01:10:04):
to set up all of these multilateral alliances. It will
continue with them with the likes of New Zealand necessarily,
but you know, we will have to see how things develop.
Of course, Winston Peters is putting a brave face on
things and he has some good connections. He was Foreign Minister.
Of course, the last time that Donald Trump was in
the White House, so there may be some chances there
for him to use his connections. And he was on

(01:10:26):
your program yesterday talking about that, so you know, let's
wait and see.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Did I hear him saying that we got very close
to an FTA with the US under Trump?

Speaker 22 (01:10:37):
I did hear that.

Speaker 18 (01:10:40):
I wonder where that's really come from. I don't really
recall that really being on the table. Of course, Donald
Trump pulled out of the CPTPP pretty much on his
first day in office back in twenty seventeen, so I
think it's hard to believe that really there was a
bilateral free trade deal for New Zealand in the offering
back during Trump's first term. But yes, Winston Peters are

(01:11:02):
trying to put a brave face on things. He's really
put everything in the basket of building closer ties with
the United States. He did that the last time around.
He's been doing this for the last year, and Christopher
Luxen and the government has really very much gone along
with that. It's been a huge sea change when it
comes to New Zealand foreign policy. Given that New Zealand's
biggest trading partner is China and neither Christopher Luxeen nor

(01:11:25):
WUS St. Peter's have visited China yet in the past year.
It's quite striking the longer that goes on that they
haven't made that trip to China. Tom McClay is there
at the moment. But there will be a chance next
week for both Christopher Luxen and with St. Peter's to
reconnect with their Chinese counterparts if they choose to do
so at Apec in Peru, and Christopher Luxen could shake hands,

(01:11:47):
perhaps have a bilateral meeting with Jujumpang and if that's
on offer, I think he should take that opportunity because
things are going to get pretty tough with ten to
twenty percent tariffs from the United States if that does
come in. So there are lots of opportunity, lots of
other countries that New Zealand could work with in China
really is the big one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Do you think that Chris Luxen will get a bit
get the ick about having to get too close to
Donald Trump?

Speaker 18 (01:12:12):
Yes, I think the calculations were very different from Winston
Peters and Christopher Luxe and Winston Peters, I think we'll
be quite happy to work with a Trump administration. When
Jacinda Rdurn had a meeting with Donald Trump at the
You and General Assembly back in twenty nineteen. He described
it as a triumph. He put out a special press
release about it. I don't think that Christopher Luxen will

(01:12:34):
necessarily see things in the same way. You know, Christopher
Luxon is positioning himself as the big centrist, and you know,
I don't think that Luxeon will necessarily be that keen
to be associated with with Donald Trump. Winston Peters I
think will be. So you know, it could be quite
interesting domestically here, whether that leads to some divides in
the coalition over the direction of New Zealand foreign policy.

(01:12:58):
You know, it really will be very interesting with it
pro us stance continues. That's been very much the theme
of the past year. But I just think everything's going
to be on the table right now, and everything's going
to be up for debate August and everything. Really because
of Donald Trump coming into the White House is going
to look like a very different It's going to be
a very different administration to the Joe Biden administration.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Your job very fun, Jeffrey, Thank you very much for
your time. Jeffrey Miller, geopolitical relations expert at Victoria University
is making everybody's job run. Frankly, if your politics adjacent,
it's fascinating. Now, now All Birds just saying in the US,
All Birds is having a bit of a tough time,
but it looks like there is maybe the tiniest but
I hope that the tough time is getting slightly less tough.

(01:13:43):
So All Birds has released its third quarter results and
the revenues down again. It fell twenty five percent to
seventy one million dollars. But the good news and that's
New Zealand dollars, But the good news is that the
overall loss is smaller than it was last year. So
the net loss in the third quarter US twenty one
million dollars compared to US thirty two million dollars last

(01:14:03):
time around. That's a significant improvement. So possibly the restructure
and the closing of the stores and the new leadership
and all the stuff that they're trying to do to
turn this business around is working. And also more good news,
seems to have a woided being kicked off the NASDAK. Now,
this was the big threat that was looming over All
Birds because they got a warning earlier this year when
the shares were trading below one dollar US for more

(01:14:25):
than thirty days, that if that continued and they didn't
turn things around off they would go. What they did
was they engine engineered a reverse stock split in early September,
and they're now trading at around I mean that's a
bit of it's sort of game playing, isn't it. I mean,
ultimately doesn't really improve anything, but what it does do
is that the stock is now trading it close to

(01:14:46):
US nine dollars, and it's it's saved them from being
booted off. Fourteen past six.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Analysis from the experts, bringing you everything you need to
know on the US election. It's The Business Hour with
Heather Duplicy, Allen and myhr the HRS solution for busy
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Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Heather, why do we honestly care what Helen Clark thinks?
Thanks Heather. Helen Clark hates Donald Trump because he won't
play ball with either what. Oh no, that's one of
thos a conspiracy text. I'm not going to read that.
I designed don't know. Sorry, I don't even know who
class is, Who's class? But it's obviously something to do
with that stuff. I still care what Helen Clark thinks.
Helen Clark is one of the most experienced people who
you know in terms of international relations. We've got to

(01:15:26):
care what she thinks. You don't have to agree with her,
but you've got to at least listen. Seventeen past six
now Barry Soper, senior political correspondent, raps a political.

Speaker 9 (01:15:33):
Week for US.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Obviously, welcome back, Barry, Hello, Barry. Fortunately, Whinston Peters was
better at picking the US selection than you, so he's
got us prepared and he has basically got us ready
to be able to deal with the Trump administration right.

Speaker 11 (01:15:48):
Well, he certainly has. But look, I have some very
good news for you tonight, Heather. I've just received an
email from the Republican Party telling me that I've been
awarded the highest honor that you can possibly be awarded
in the Republican Party, and that to Make America Great

(01:16:08):
Campaign Award for my assistance in getting Donald Trump into
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
You've seen you're so stoked you've sent it through to
me review my friend. After reviewing your profile, GOP leaders
determined that you'll support one US the White House. So
it's careful consideration. You've been selected for the Mega Living
Legend award. Yes, this is widely considered to be the
highest honor in the entire mega movement of the world.

(01:16:35):
President Trump couldn't think of a more deserving winner than you.
Clickless link to accept the award. And you have to
donate money to get this award.

Speaker 11 (01:16:46):
Well, I didn't click it because I said it could
be risky.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
It did say it was a bit spammy, but it's
just how much would you like to donate to Donald
Trump to get your award?

Speaker 11 (01:16:53):
Bearing Look, I think full go the Living Legend Award,
but look, seriously, me Winston, I note out with the
assistant of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, probably
looked at the possibility of Trump coming back. Rosemary Banks,
who had been in Paris, and it's very unusual for

(01:17:15):
an ambassador to go back into the same posting that
they once held, and that was Rosemary, who I know
very well now has gone back to the US and
is working in Washington because she was there during the
first years of the Trump administration and clearly has a
good rapport with the people that will be working with

(01:17:38):
hopefully and that Donald Trump will appoint to the new administration.
I see that he's already appointed as chief of staff.
That used to be John Kelly, the general that left
and criticized Trump. But it's his campaign manager, Susy Wiles
that is invited on.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Stage this from the misogyny first woman chief of start.

Speaker 11 (01:18:02):
He's amazing. Well, you know, he's an incredible man. No,
and serious in all seriousness though you know, I would
acknowledge that it is incredible for a man of his
age seventy eight years old to be able to convince
the majority of the American public that he should be
holding the office of president again, not only one hundred

(01:18:25):
and thirty years. Well, also, what does it say about
the majority of the American public's view of law and
order when you've got a criminal now holding the highest
office in the nation.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Well, I mean to be three to be fair, Berry,
there is, I think, in most people's minds, a distinction
between your violent criminal and your white collar criminals.

Speaker 11 (01:18:52):
Totally.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 11 (01:18:53):
Well, there is a difference. But nevertheless, he did break
the law. And I'll tell you what, I'll take a
bet with you now, and I know I've lost the
last bet on him succeeding, but I'll take a bet
with you now that the protesters that invaded Capitol Hill
four years ago will all be pardoned.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
It's a possibility.

Speaker 11 (01:19:14):
And if that's the case, that's a disgrace because he
incited law and order four years ago. They carried out
what was a disgraceful episode in American political history, and now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
He'll Can you just hold off getting upset about things
to when they actually happen, because you're just being like
all the other hysterical people who are like the end
of the world. Will wait till it's the end of
the world, then we'll get at the end of the world.
So wait till he does it, then get upset about it. Okay, listen,
the Treaty Principal's Bill. Now, the Prime Minister is not
going to be there. The first debate on the Treaty

(01:19:47):
Principal's Bill is going to be on Thursday next week.
The Prime Minister is not going to be there. He's
going to be out of the country. That's very convenient,
isn't it. Well, he's there on Thursday, is he?

Speaker 11 (01:19:55):
No, he's never there. And the fact of the matter
is he's going to Apec and it'll be interesting to
see if the dawn turns up at Apek as a
president elect and who knows, he may well be there.
But no, well it's something that Luxon couldn't avoid. But
then the conspiracy theorists would say that the bill was

(01:20:15):
brought back and it was going to be read for
the first time when Luxon was absent at APEX. But look,
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I just think it was
going to be read probably then anyway, and it'll coincide
with the Hikuoi people who are opposed to it. And
when the bill was introduced this week you saw the

(01:20:35):
Modi Party and you can imagine they'll be inciting a
lot of people to protest. They tried to get it
thrown out immediately without success, and their arguments to me
were just playing silly.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Barry, thanks very much, really appreciate it's Barry Soper, senior
political correspondent, rapping the political week. That was hey, really quickly.
Another bank has reported profit today. This time it's A
and Z two billion dollars down two. I bet you
that they are feeling stoked that they got this profit
report out after they appeared at the Select Committee inquiry,
the Parliamentary Banking Inquiry, because the others that have reported

(01:21:09):
their profit this week being B and Z and Westpac.
They still have to appear six twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.
The Business Hour with Heather Duplican and my HR the
HR Solution for busy sms on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Heather bank profits need urgent attention. The fact that credit
card feesa for a percentage of the transaction is the
only thing we need to know. It's a complete and
utter rulet Megan, thank you. Hey. Update on the Algerian
boxer who's been accused of being a man. I was
telling you earlier this week that there have been media
reports out of Germany and maybe even originated originally out
of France, that she actually is, I actually was born

(01:21:48):
a man with an X and Y chromosomes, that combo
of chromosomes. Those reports now apparently are going to lead
to legal actions. So apparently she's going after the media
companies that reported her in France. This is according to
the International Olympic Committee, who said we understand Iman Khalif
is taking legal action against individuals who commented on her
situation during the Olympic Games Paris twenty four that's basically

(01:22:10):
online bullying and also preparing a law susan response to
the latest reporting. The IOC will not comment while the
legal action is ongoing. Now you may be asking why
is the IOC speaking, Well, the IOC is speaking because
the IOC has got skin in the game because if
those reports are to be believed, if they are accurate,
then the IOC actually had the box's medical records as

(01:22:33):
far back as May last year. And if the medical
records are true documents and everything is to be believed,
then the IOC knew in May last year she's actually
a man and allowed her to box against ladies anyway.
And now the IOC is in a bit of a pickle,
isn't it, because now it may have to strip her
of the gold medal and so on. So, you know,
not fun for her all of this, but not fun

(01:22:53):
for them either. Peter Lewis is going to be with
us shortly out of Asia on what the tariff's been
and whether they're really going to happen. Talks, it b.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's headed duplicy.
Allen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR. The
HR solution for busy SMS on news TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Downa bread down.

Speaker 6 (01:23:28):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
What day you're going to be with us out of
the UK in ten minutes time? How amazing is this? Okay, Tomorrow,
when the All Blacks run out against the Irish, it
will be the six hundred and forty ninth time that
the All Blacks play. Let's round it up, let's say
six fifty. So the All Blacks have played six hundred
and fifty times tomorrow, and three hundred and fifty of
those games will have been called by Grantners. But is

(01:23:49):
that not amazing? I mean to be fair, Okay, it's
it's kind of like it's it's heavily stacked nowadays because
they play a lot more than they would have you know,
in the years when they the years before Grants, it
would have been few and far between, would have been
the tests and stuff. But that is pretty incredible to
be the guy who is called well over half of
the All Blacks tests. That's incredible. Seventy four years old,

(01:24:10):
so heabs more years out of Grantner's. But thanks very much.
It's funny that that actually came out today because I
was when I was watching the All Blacks England game
last week. I was listening to him and I just thought,
I thought to myself, geez, what are we gonna do
when we don't have I don't remember a time before Grantner's,
but that does not exist for me. Nisbo's been there
my whole life. What do we do Whennisbou retires, when

(01:24:31):
he's like, right, that's it, God enough had enough of talking,
or if he got laryngitis for like a month or
something like that, what would we do? Because I tell
you what, I wouldn't want to be the guy, likely
a guy filling Nisbo's shoes, would you? I mean, geez,
look at the hard time we gave Justin Marshall. The
one who fills in for Nisbo would be wow. Hard times.
Twenty three away from.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Seven, Heather due to see Ali.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Peter Lewis Asia business correspondent with US. Now, Hey, Peter,
Good evening. Heather Is Asia treating the threats of these
tariffs by Trump as real?

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (01:25:04):
Absolutely. I mean they've had a couple of years now
to really prepare for this. They shouldn't be surprised because
this was always on the cards that Trump was going
to win, and also he's been pretty clear about what
he's going to do. And if you thought, you know,
you know, Trump version one was like drinking whiskey, it
was diluted with some coke. This time you're just taking

(01:25:25):
the neat whiskey because the things that is talking about
doing are going to be pretty drastic. In the case
of China, he's talking about sixty percent tariffs on all
Chinese imports into the US, ending the country's Most Favored
Nation trading status as well. So some economists are saying

(01:25:45):
this could knock two and a half percentage points off
of China's GDP, and then other countries around the region
could easily get dragged into the crosshairs of this, particularly
Japan and South Korea. I mean, companies have started to
work out how to sort of get around the tariffs,
and they've been rooting goods that normally go through China

(01:26:08):
to other countries like Mexico, for example. That Trump's got
the measure of that, because it's going to slap twenty
percent tariffs on imports from everywhere else. So it could
be that there's no way around this for some of
the Asian countries. But as I say, they've had time
to draw up contingency plans. I'm absolutely certain they have.
They're going to have to pour these out of the

(01:26:29):
drawer now and start acting on them.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
But Peter, I mean saying Trump is in the past. Okay,
this is the argument that was made to be Trump
is in the past. Said a lot of stuff, and
they're not done it. For example, he went after NAFTA,
said it was the worst agreement in the history of
the world, and then he basically renegotiated the thing to
be about eighty five percent the same as what it
was before, and suddenly it was the best thing in
the world. Right, And at some point he is going
to realize that if you slap everything coming out of

(01:26:53):
China with a mass of tariff, you are going to
and a lot of it is componentry that goes into
other things, You're going to end up pushing the price
of that American price backed up so much it will
be counterproductive. So does he at some stage not actually
like take the tough talk, negotiate a little bit, and
come out the other side with a good deal.

Speaker 14 (01:27:10):
Well, I don't think he sees it that way. Last time,
he and by his own admission, one of the problems
he had was he had established establishment people around him
who talked him out of doing some of the things
that he wanted to do. And he sees that as
a big mistake, and he's not going to make that
same mistake this time around. Is going to surround himself

(01:27:30):
with loyalists. He could well have a clean sweep of Congress,
so literally no one to oppose him, and just a
lot of yes men in his cabinet. So he's got,
for example, people like Robert Leipheiser, who was the former
trade advisor, who says tarifs are not inflationary, and he
makes the point that when Trump was last president, inflation

(01:27:52):
never once went above three percent during his first term.
So you know, Trump has convinced himself and has been
told by some of his closest advisors that this is
not going to put out prices for American consumers. And
I think he believes that now. Of course, economists, a
lot of economists say otherwise and say this is going
to be hugely damaging for the American economy. It's going

(01:28:15):
to be hugely inflationary. If you try and deport these
millions of migrants, that's going to leave a huge hole
in the American economy as well, But he doesn't see
any of that. Now, when the evidence comes and you
do see this inflationary spy, because I'm sure will happen,
because the conditions this time around are very difference, the

(01:28:36):
economic conditions very different from the first term. The damage
will have already been done in terms of damage to
lost GDP, lost jobs and so on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Peter, what about Taiwan. Does he defend it?

Speaker 14 (01:28:51):
Well, that's another question. I mean, there is going to
be a whole series of questions around security arrangements in Asia,
including Taiwan, Japan, South Korea. He's openly said he wants
countries to pay more for the defense. He sees it
as a transaction, as a transaction, not as America exercise
in global leadership. So he takes the view that what

(01:29:15):
we'll do is will protect you and you pay and
you buy some things off of us in return. So
the big question mark is where does Taiwan fit into
his thinking. He just recently accused Taiwan of stealing the
American chip industry. He didn't explain how Taiwan was supposed
to have done that, but he was threatening to put

(01:29:35):
tariffs on companies like Taiwan's Semiconductor, which is the biggest
chip manufacturer in the world. This will also have a
dramatic impact on global supply chains. So you know, Taiwan
is also very much in the crosshairs. And I think
in Taipei, although they had been saying they have very
good relations with the US and they expect that to continue,

(01:29:57):
I think they must be worried.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Yeah. Geez, Actually, very interesting times ahead, do isn't it. Peter,
Thanks very much, talk to you in a week's time.
That's Peter Lewis, Asia Business correspondent out of Hong Kong hither.
I'm not sure if you watch too much test rugby lately,
but I'm pretty sure Tony Johnson commentates at least half
or most of the all Black tests these days. It's
fair point. Actually, I can calm down now. TJ's still there.
Now I'm speaking of people who are not doing very

(01:30:20):
well because I've been speaking about a little bit about
the meltdown that people have been having about Donald Trump.
Jimmy Kimmel, he's not taking the Trump victory very well,
a judging by his opening comments on his show yesterday.

Speaker 21 (01:30:31):
Let's be honest, it was a terrible night last night.
It was a terrible night for women, for children, for
the hundreds of thousands of hardworking immigrants who make this
country go.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
For healthcare, for our climate.

Speaker 21 (01:30:47):
For science, for journalism, for justice, for free speech. It
was a terrible night for poor people, for the middle class,
for seniors who rely on social security, for our allies
in you Ukraine, for needle.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Or woods.

Speaker 21 (01:31:06):
And the macrocy and z sncy. And it was a
terrial night for everyone who voted against him. And guess what,
it is a bad night for everyone who voted for
him too. You just don't realize that, Gavin.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
It's just a bad night for everybody. I mean, just
take the Ukraine example. Is it really a bad night
for absolutely everybody in Ukraine? Because it might be a
good night for a whole bunch of mums in Ukraine
who don't want to see their sons go off to
war and get absolutely slaughtered by the Russians and might
like to just see some peace there so that the
boy that they've raised doesn't get killed. So maybe actually

(01:31:41):
is not a bad night for absolutely everybody. But hey,
I shouldn't stop a man in meltdown mode? Should I
stick away? From seven.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Hither Duplessy Allen and my
HR the HR solution for busy SMEs news talks here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
The water hypocrite, you art, wasn't half an hour ago
that you were telling Barry not to get all worked
up about something that hadn't happened, And here you are
saying Trump is going to stop the Ukraine war. Pot
kettle black. You know that, Tony.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
Trump has said that he's going to stop the Ukraine war.
I happen to think that may be a good thing.
So I'm not getting worked up. I was getting worked
up at Jimmy Kemmel getting worked up. Actually, thanks very much, mate.
Pay attention. Thirteen away from seven Gavin Gray are UK
correspondences with me Elogevin.

Speaker 23 (01:32:28):
Marny got a good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
I'll tell you who might be getting worked up as
European leaders though.

Speaker 23 (01:32:32):
Hey, yes very much so. They are currently meeting in
Hungary and top of the agenda is going to be
exactly what Donald Trump's reelection is going to mean for them,
because last time he was in power, he wasn't particularly
keen on Europe said they needed to pay their way more,
and of course all this talk of a trade tariff's

(01:32:54):
coming on is going to make life more and more difficult.
But I think the really thing that's bothering Europe is
going to be his stance on Ukraine. He's already said
he will end the war within a short time of
taking power, but he's not said how. Many think he's
going to either really turn the tap off on funding
to Ukraine, either completely off or really toned down that

(01:33:16):
financial aid, the military aid to Ukraine. And if that happens, well,
is Europe going to pick up the slack. There's certainly
talk of them doing that, but America has been the
largest single donor to Ukraine by far. The UK has
said it's going to continue supporting Ukraine, but in truth,
if Europe doesn't and doesn't do it to a large extent,

(01:33:38):
filling that gap that might be left, then many feel
Ukraine could be left out in the cold. So we're
going to have to wait to see to that. They're
going to have to put their money where their mouth is,
to use an old expression, I mean, and that is
something Europeans are slow to do.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
I mean, I'm absolutely geven and the amount of money
that they're pumped in is like sixty four billion US dollars, Right,
there's a huge amount of money for anybody else to
tell me something, because I had a conversation with the
German about this recently and said, well, the most likely
outcome is that he basically forces Vladimir Zelenski, you know,
if it comes to this to super peace and give

(01:34:13):
up some land. And the Germans said to me, Europe
will be so devastated by that because it will bring
Russia closer and embolden them.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
What do you think, Yeah, it will.

Speaker 23 (01:34:22):
And also I think it looks bad on the EU.
They've made overtones to Ukraine that Ukraine could perhaps one
day join in the not too distant future ex and
then all of a sudden they'll tell them back on them,
owing to money. And that's what this comes down to.
And in the past Europe has said all these wonderful words,
and if they're not not going to stand up and
do that and back them, I think it'll really show

(01:34:44):
the Block down a bit. And frankly, I think Donald
Trump doesn't expect them to fill the gap, and that too,
will weaken the Block's reputation around the world, which I
think he would quite enjoy seeing. He thinks that Europe
does not pay its way. He does think many in European,
many European countries do not pay their way into NATO sufficiently,

(01:35:07):
and he says that frankly, he's fed up of the
US filling that gap.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Okay, now listen, I'm bettter, you're part of the world.
Why was this Labor MP punching the sky?

Speaker 23 (01:35:16):
A very good question. So this MP is from Cheshire
in the northwest of England and Mike Ainsbury is his name.
He's been suspended from the Labor Party, that's the party
of government at the moment. And we are now expecting
a court case because police are saying they've charged a
fifty five year old man and he is to appear

(01:35:38):
in court formally at a later date. There are reports
that he assaulted a forty five year old man in Frodsham,
which is a small village not far from Liverpool, and
that happened just after a quarter to three on Sunday morning,
the twenty sixth of October. There is video CCTV from

(01:35:59):
nearby shops as well, which show a man standing in
the road waiting for a taxi when another man strikes
him and he falls backwards strikes him by punching him. Now,
obviously this is are all allegations that it is my Gamesbury.
He has said that he's going to be looking at
this under court, but he volunteered to be interviewed under

(01:36:21):
a police caution after reports of an assault on the
main street at Frodsham and Cheshire Police say they are
investigating that complaint and have sent it up to the
Crown Prosecution Service in a prick to go to court.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Very interesting, hey, Gevin, thanks very much. Keep us posted
on that. That sounds fascinating. That's Devin Gray, our UK correspondent.
N I didn't realize this, but did you realize that? Well,
I mean Yellowstone's launching in New Zealand next week on Monday,
so that's going to get that's going to make some
people's hearts leap in it. But did you realize actually
that there are already two prequels then I appear to

(01:36:55):
be out it appeared to be about Yellowstone. Is one
called eighteen eighty three, and there's one called nineteen twenty three,
which I think probably as a clue as to what
they're about right, set in eighteen eighty three and set
in nineteen twenty three. And then as well as that,
there's another drama set in Montana called The Madison which
stars Michelle Faeiffer, which is also in the works. So
there's just a whole universe of Duttony Yellowstone out there

(01:37:19):
about Montana for you to go and enjoy. And also
on Monday, how good away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
Getting ready for a new administration in the US. What
will be the impact?

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
It's The Business Hour with Heather Duplas, Ellen and my
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Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
Hither eighteen eighty three is amazing from Scott Hither eighteen
eighty three is fabulous. As for Yellowstone, that was meh
and I've given up on it. That's from Carl Hither.
It's been out for a year. Better than Yellowstone, way
better Hither. Come on, keep up now, I know quite quite.
I'm taking that on the chin. Where have I been
so anyway? Thank you? So anyway, when what this means,
of course is when I have this baby, I'm not

(01:37:58):
going to have a shortage of things, tom I'm just
gonna be I'm gonna come back dressed like a cowboy
because I'm gonna have watched so much of that stuff.
We had a question in the news room the other
day from the Boss of all People asking why Republicans
are red and Democrats are blue because that is the
opposite of the international convention right, because generally the left
use red. They left around the world, like you think
of our Labour Party, the UK Labor Party, the Communists

(01:38:20):
in China, you know, et cetera. They use red because
it's associated with radicals and I'm not being disparaging this
as a fact. And the right use blue, so you
think like the Tories and the National Party and so on,
because blue is associated with wealth because it's the most
expensive colors are produced, and generally back in the old day,
if you were voting for the Tories and stuff and

(01:38:40):
the National Party, you were the dudes with money. Anyway,
I can answer this question for you because it's actually fascinating.
The reason why it's the other way around. In the US,
the reds are the right and the blues are the
left is because red has an R and Reagan. The
Republican has an R and Republicans have an R. Literally,
this is how simple the Americans are. That is why

(01:39:02):
they got red. Because what happened was before the nineteen eighties,
they didn't actually have colors really associated with the party.
JFK used orange, and the Republicans were using blue. Bush
used blue, and the TV channels used yellow for the Republicans.
It was all over the shop. And then one day
the ABC were like, we got to pick a color,
and they were like red ah Reagan ah, okay, read

(01:39:28):
for Reagan, read for Republicans. Literally, how simple are the
you are the Americans? And thusn't then everybody else copied
them and that is how it is.

Speaker 22 (01:39:35):
And I just love that one, just because the TV
person didn't realize they were defining a party for like
the rest of its history. They were like, oh, well,
we need to use a color on the TV. Ah, red.

Speaker 6 (01:39:44):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:39:44):
There we go on such things, just the world turn.
I love that story. That's r Hand of God by
Sartchi to play us out tonight brand new music. This
is out today and Sartsy of course kiwis Kiwi pop duo.
They said this song all their music is kind of
inspired by Lady Gaga. But they've they've got some Gaga
vibes this one and it's about you know, coming together
and stuff. So there we go. What a nice way
to end the week.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
You remember that band from Oh, I can see you
nodding your head. This is really this is your vibes.
You're the brother and sister from Nelson Brudes, Yes, Split
Broods Ea before it started descending into this weird trancedance
stuff that you listen to.

Speaker 22 (01:40:25):
They love using the keys and they love using the
scents in there. It's very kind of eighties influence.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
But we are love an eighties tune, all right. Enjoy Listen,
Enjoy in Auckland Pool jams on. So just watch out
around that traffic there and stuff. Don't go crazy, don't
pull the horns. Don't be a bogan. If you're at
nunt smart or be a bogan. Lean into it past
you on Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
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