Full Show Podcast: 12 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Youth Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we're
going to speak to a survivor of Lake Alice about
the Big Old Day today. Luxeon has chatted to Trump
on the phone. What about obviously apart from all the
bland stuff, what about really we'll speak to former Foreign
Minister Sir doug Don McKennon, and then also Federated Farmers
pretty cross about what the Climate Change Commission is saying

(00:33):
about pines. You're going to want to.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Hear this, Heather duplicy Allen.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, So, big Old day for the survivors of abuse
and state care today because the government, through the Prime Minister,
finally apologized for this. And look that is important. Look,
I know you know what they want is redress as well,
a whole bunch of them and fair enough, and that
will come. But an apology also is very important, especially
when you consider how long it is officially not been
a big deal that kids went through what they did

(00:57):
while they were in the state of care for it
to now be acknowledged. Is yep, absolutely actually a big
deal and for the state to admit it did wrong,
I think that's really important. Slightly unfortunately, the day has
been overshadowed by the anger that's been directed at the
Solicitor General today, and I think this is going to
be the thing that everybody remembers about today.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Una Jegosi tried to apologize herself today as the Solicitor General.
She was booed by survivors. She was heckled by survivors.
One woman walked out, another turned her back to the
Solicitor General while she was talking in a move of protest,
and plenty of them. The reason they're so angry is
because they want to strip from her job. They accuse
her of covering up what really happened to them. Now,

(01:37):
I'm not going to tell these people that they're not
entitled to feel angry, because of course they are. But
what we have to remember when we're discussing the Solicitor
General's role in this, and even in a lower role
previously as a Crown lawyer before she became the Solicitor General,
is that crown lawyers, crown law the Solicitor General, they
are the government's lawyers, right, they act in the best
interests of the crown. It's pretty much the same as

(02:00):
David Bain's lawyer, or even Brenton Tarrant's lawyer. Or should
you or I be accused of something significant our lawyers
that our lawyers are not there to look after everybody else.
They are there to look after us. They are working
in the best interests of their clients. And the same
as true of Crown law. It's really important context. When
we feel angry at somebody like the Solicitor General or

(02:21):
Crown Law for what they did, I understand why Una
je Gosi is copying it. Pretty much the worst today
is much easier to pin the blame on one person,
isn't it than to pin the blame on a giant
system like government, and especially when you consider that governments
change every few years. I mean, one person is much
easier to hold accountable than potentially thousands of people for

(02:42):
little bits that they did over decades. And maybe it
will make a lot of people feel a lot better
if she loses her job, But remember this, it's not
like sheally going to fix anything, is it. Not in
the past, and not for kids who are in state
care in the future, and beware the quick solution, because
the quick solution may create a false sense things have
been fixed when they really haven't. And the most important

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thing is that things are actually fixed. Isn't it more
important than anything? She actually fronted up today? And so
did the Prime Minister. And I say, that's got to
be a good start.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Would Heather do for see alex nine two nine.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Two of the text number as I say, we'll speak
to one of the survivors of Lake Alice who wants
to actually get rid of Runagigosi. She'll be with us
after five o'clock. Now on another subject altogether, we've got
some research on gen Z and screen time, and you
know how it feel about screen time. Apparently the young
kids themselves actually see the benefit in putting down their phones.
Outward Bound surveyed young people aged twenty and under who

(03:34):
actually went on their outward Bound courses in the last
five years. Eighty percent of them four and five want
to reduce their screen time ninety three percent so they
feel more productive when they aren't on their phones. Now,
outward Bound's chief executive Melinda McLain is with us. He
right now, hoy Melndy.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
Tied to here.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
But how are you?

Speaker 3 (03:51):
I'm very well, thank you. Did any of this surprise
you at all?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Not at all.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
But it's actually really exciting to have some evidence to
back up what we've been saying about disconnecting from social
media and screen time on an outward bound course?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Right do you think which brings me to this?

Speaker 7 (04:09):
Right?

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Do you think that this is representative of all gen
z is? Because kids who go on outward bound I
feel like they are already not representative of most kids.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yeah, and that's possibly quite a common misconception. So outward
bound we are as a small sample, it's a small
sample of the New Zealand population that come on one
of our courses, but they are fairly representative. And it's
not all privileged kids whose parents are paying for them
to come on a course. We've got a really big
maxive students who come from all over the country. Some

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come on a scholarship program, some come through community partnership programs,
and yeah, some of them are supported by their parents
to come. So while we are dipping the stick in
and to take a little test of the young people
who come on our courses, it's a pretty great environment
to see what happens when you have a proper digital.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
I was, Melindi, No, I was not thinking that they
were necessarily privileged. I was thinking that they're just kind
of a little bit outdoors y. Though, am I also
making the wrong assumption there?

Speaker 8 (05:09):
Yeah, I think you would be.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
I think I mean. The thing without bound is it's
pretty accessible to a really wide range of young people.
And actually it's not about coming and getting into the
outdoors and learning how to kayak and learning how to
rock climate. It's a journey to learn about yourself and
sort of rediscover who you are and build resilience and connection.

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And so it's for all young people who want to
achieve those goals. And that's what we actually find with
the disconnects from social media and devices. It's actually something
that's been part of our courses forever. It's only just
become a benefit, a real benefit in the last couple
of decades is this has become a real problem for

(05:52):
young people. But when you actually put your phone down
and in the moment with a group of other young
people who are also really in the moment, it's an
opportunity for them to really rediscover meaningful connection and engage
with people on a totally different level.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Why why aren't they just putting their phone down? What's
the problem?

Speaker 5 (06:10):
Well, I think we all know the answer to that.
I mean, it's an addiction, addictive device, it's designed to
the addictive. It's you know, I'm a big advocate of
adults being able to make those choices themselves, but for
young people, we need to be thinking about age appropriate risk.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Would you for the would you go for the sixteen?
The band age sixteen like Ossie's doing? Absolutely hies, Melinda,
you speak in my language. Wouldn't you just do it tomorrow?
If I could, wouldn't you?

Speaker 8 (06:42):
Well?

Speaker 5 (06:42):
What I really like about the Prime Minister Australian part
Minister's approach is he's talked about how the onus is
going to be on social media platforms rather than on
parents or young people. And that's a real acknowledgment of
the power, the addictive power of the technologies in what
it's actually doing. So, you know, I think a straight
talking Australian getting up and saying that he's calling time

(07:04):
on the haarm is pretty inspiring across the ditch.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, I'm with you on that, MELINDI thank you very much.
I really appreciate your time. That's Malinda McLain, who's the
CEO of Outward Bound. An interesting thing in the research
they did is that seventy five percent of the kids
reckon that if their friends weren't using social media, they
would find it easier not to be able to screens themselves.
That's the point of something like a ban, right, it's
to stop basically to give other parents the give parents

(07:31):
the ability to go listen Johnny down the road's not
on it, so you're not going to be on it either.
And look, here's the thing what we need to understand
is this stuff is as bad for kids as alcohol
or fags, right, and if you prepare to limit that.
Once upon a time, kids could just smoke fags if
they wanted to, and then we put a ban on that.
Once upon a time kids could just go out and
get boozed if they wanted to, and then we put
a ban on that because we were like, it's actually

(07:52):
not good forget. So I think we need to get
to the point where we're like, you know what, actually
we're going to ban the social media for you and
put an age limit on the thing. Why do we
think kids Why are we letting kids ruin their lives?
Why are we doing this? Anyway? Moving on the bandwagon,
there aren't we anyway. Unfortunately, moving on to some bad news,
bad news for retailers. A bunch of retailers, including you know,

(08:15):
my lovely brother who is in retail, have been hoping
that this Christmas is going to be the rescue Christmas.
That's sort of going to you know, write the ship
and off they go again. ASB has just put out
the credit cards spending and it's looking a bit sad.
It did lift, ever so slightly last month, but it's
pretty modest stuff. We're talking one point seven percent compared
to last year. Now, factor in the fact that inflation

(08:37):
has still increased over the last year, factor in the
fact that we've had more people moving into the country.
On one point seven percent, starts to look pretty pathetic
compared to last year. They say at ASB. The recovery
of consumer spending also depends on the prospect of net
migration and tourism, which have been losing momentum. So we're
relying on tourism, We're relying on migration steams. Coming out
of that, we do not expect a strong festive season

(08:59):
ahead for retailers, with pronounced recovery and consumer spending likely
to be more evident next year. Also, and what a
bummer not picking a seventy five basis point cut this month?
Only fifty basis point cut. I'm not ready for fifty.
I want a seventy five from Adrian sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Who will take the White House results and analysis of
the US election?

Speaker 1 (09:21):
On Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with One New Zealand Let's
get connected news talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Sport with tab get your bed on R eighteen bet responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Jarc Watergrave sports talk hosters.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
He does and who would have thought it would be
casually talking about the effect of tariffs on the international
market as we're setting it.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
You walked in on a conversation between producer Laura and
I because we were talking about the fact that brad
Olsen's going to be on at quarter past six and
he's going to talk about all the banks downgrading our
economic growth prospects in the country because Trump is coming
at us with the tariffs. And then you were giving
me your thoughts on the tariffs.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Who would have thought?

Speaker 9 (09:59):
Who wouldn't take you?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
You had thoughts on tariffs and then I heard your
thoughts and then I was like, well, no one needs
to hear those. No one else needs.

Speaker 9 (10:10):
However, kick a guy.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I want to hear your thoughts on Sam Cain and
Mark to Leo. Why is Sam Caine out? Is because
of that gas?

Speaker 9 (10:18):
Because of that gas?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
You see they stitched it?

Speaker 6 (10:21):
Yeah, Hi, a protocols. You take a gas like that,
obviously something's unpacked your head. Reason unless they whipped out
a switchblade. So yeah, AND's got a sore hand or
a crunched hand or something. So they're gone burger, which
is a shame of time. Duplicity Corriffy, who's a wonderful.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Character, Well my cousin, is it your cousin?

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (10:41):
Really no, I didn't think so.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
No duplicit yuplicy, So he sees there, Shaffy Huck. He's
been called up as well. Maybe in Holland has been
called out. But we'll see what happens in the wash up.
What that team's going to look like, we don't know,
because there's some guys coming back.

Speaker 9 (10:58):
Taylor's coming back, of course, but bar it'll be back.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
So what does that do to Damien McKenzie, who I
really don't trust the guy in the crunch when they're
in trouble. I've been saying that all year. So I'm
sitting there on Saturday morning, going what have you got?
He was outstanding? Okay, so no, no, no, because I've seen
previously when the guy gets tough, it just gets a

(11:21):
bit loose on it. But himself and I suffer on more.
People were really concerned about both of their effects playing
a long game and starting that. They were both fantastic.

Speaker 9 (11:32):
So not Robinson did but good on and then okay, so.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
The poney was on yusterdam Piney was like, nay, you
start body, you don't start Demo. But then don't you
start messing with Damo's head if you like, if he
does a perfect performance and then you don't give him
another shot at it? Don't you just sticking around them?

Speaker 9 (11:45):
Well with an he comes, it doesn't matter, it's who's
going to present.

Speaker 6 (11:48):
Do you think Scott Robinson thinks about the mental overload
that it might have on these players?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
I think the weird thing that Damien McKenzie is great
off the bench for the number of positions he can cover,
and also that spark plug attitude that he has wherever
he is.

Speaker 9 (12:06):
He's very quick, is.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Very hard to deal, very hard to handle it. And
we know we saw Boden Barrett come on and do
that when he was up front. But I think a
Boden get a good start anyway. That team's still to
come out, so that's going to be good when that
comes out on Thursday.

Speaker 10 (12:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
And then so you've got the Super Rugby teams. Probably
the most interesting thing about the Super Rugby teams is
that Barrett has been dropped as the captain from the Crusaders.
And that's fair enough, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
He can't do both right, But I don't know if
that's the most interesting. I think Solomon Alamono coming back,
Alamelo coming back from the NRL is good coming up with,
and of course the news of Ardissa Via.

Speaker 9 (12:41):
We all knew that starting with Mowana Ye pussy Fika.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
The big story for me around missus Zeria isn't really one,
and it's the opening of the Super season. If you
else the Grand Reveal, it's the Hey, the tender reveal,
it's the pink, it's the blue, it's the lightning, it's
the fireworks, and it's just nothing. There, it's like, yeah, okay,
James O'Connor's at the Saders, but we knew that, and
we knew about Artie. The Chiefs have got a couple

(13:07):
of guys from the Brumbies coming out, one guy from
the Brummers. They've picked up a Crusader, the Islanders have
picked up a ex this and an ex that.

Speaker 9 (13:14):
But there's nothing that really explodes.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Look at me, this is super.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Rugby from the stars, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (13:23):
The change the way they released them, like you know
a couple of years ago where one hour, one team
releases second hour then say they kind.

Speaker 9 (13:29):
Of staggered the release.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
It didn't get all lost in the tumult or for
the media, so they could deal with it because it's
just too much all at the same time.

Speaker 9 (13:37):
How dare about? Your colleague says, where dumb?

Speaker 6 (13:42):
So again that's the I'm not really sure, Robert, he's
going to join us on the show to talk about that.
Should be one more thing, really really fast. But trifecta
Republican Party American Me and Swayze. How's that for the
trotting cup?

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Did you get that? No, no, be the problem?

Speaker 11 (14:00):
One swazy Republican go on just screaming, isn't it?

Speaker 12 (14:05):
It is go back to my tariffs set responsibly.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
It's the one Dowsey water Graves Sportso co host seven
o'clock tonight, four twenty four.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
allan drive with One New Zealand let's get connected and
use talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Oh gay gip. I'm getting a lot of texts so
to be honest, haven't actually bothered to read them because
I don't know. I'm not into screens nowadays, but yeah,
a lot of texts. Seven crack at me for wanting
to ban the social media for kids and suggesting that
I've had some sort of a like a brainwashing. I
don't know where you've been. Remember I read the Book
of the Anxious Generation when I went to Melbourne and

(14:45):
I came back a changed woman. It's been since then.
It's my bandwagon now, it's my thing. So if I
get it like the don't even come like any anything
that comes near the show that says social media or
screen time teenagers. While I'm onto it like that, I'm
talking about it like a dog with the bone anyway.
On something else, entirely. Luxon got to speak to old
Trumpy this morning, e because he stood up Mike to

(15:06):
have that conversation. And then afterwards he put up a
photo on Twitter and it's there's a classic one sitting
at the old desk with the phone photo. Very empty
desk he's got going on there, said, you know, tidy,
tidy desk, tidy mind. I like that about him. Also,
gone of the days that you have, you know, like
it's a straight cell phone call nowadays, which I found surprising.
I thought that you'd still have some sort of a

(15:26):
secure line in like a red phone or a black
phone that still had one of those things or something
so that the you know, whatever our version of the
FBI is or something, can you know the spies could
lock down that phone call. But no, it's just on
the old hack us China hack us iPhone job. Anyway,
he said, good to speak with President elect Donald Trump
this morning to congratulate him on his historic election victory.

(15:47):
We agreed on the importance of deepening tires but boring
between our two nations, boring. I look forward to doing
just that. Bes that's not what they talked about. I
want to know what they really talked about because that's
not what Donald Trump wasn't like. Oh, I'm really looking
forward to deepening ties between that. Come on, they probably
talked about Elon and how awesome he is, because Elon
likes Luxon and Trump likes Elon and Elon likes Trumps

(16:09):
is a trifector of love going on. This has talked
about Elon. They would have talked about golf, I would imagine,
because you've got to suck up to Trump, so he
likes golf.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Zip.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
And they wouldn't have talked about Jacinda because I feel
like that's a mutual trigger point for both of them,
if you know what I mean. So anyway, what they
actually would have talked about is the fascinating thing. We're
going to talk to Sir Don McKennon, Foreign Minister, once
upon a time. He's with us Upter five.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
The day's Newsmakers talk to Heather first, Heather Dupless Allen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and you
talk zed Bean.

Speaker 11 (16:46):
I remember when we were driving.

Speaker 13 (16:48):
Driving in your car, speed's a faster fell like trumply
before in your heart fell around my Heea.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
There is a former school principle and a parent position
on banning cell phones the kids under sixteen as one
hundred percent corrected. Social media, not cell phones. They can
have a smartphone from the age of like thirteen or fourteen,
but no social media. However, it will be a long
time that we're waiting for our fence sitting Prime minister
to do anything about it. Gaza, thank you. We're going
to have to talk about Tory far No no today because

(17:18):
Tory's been on Nick Mills the show in Wellington, which
is always a highlight for us all you know. She
goes on there regularly and says some stuff and then
we'll always do that noise. We're like, ooh Tory. Anyway.
The latest thing that I think the craziest thing actually
has been largely missed by most people. Tory has said

(17:38):
to Nick she's going to join the Hecoy when it
gets to Wellington. So the he Coy will get there
next week. Tory's going to join it. Now, Toy is
entitled to join the Hecoy if she wants to. But
let me remind you what the he coy is about.
It is a he coy protesting the Treaty Principals Bill.
So the mayor of our capital city is going to
join a protest against the government. Now, is she dumb?

(18:03):
Because is she trying to make her life harder? She
did she sit down at any point and go, Hmmm,
I wonder how that's gonna I wonder how they go.
I wonder how I wonder how they're gonna feel in
government when they see me in the crowd down there.
I wonder if they're going to maybe have less tolerance
for me and my Shenanigans. Oh what, Maybe she didn't
think at all, because I mean, that's rapidly got to

(18:24):
be included as a possibility in all of these things.
Twenty two away from five.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's the world wires, on news talks, it'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Donald Trump has made more announcements of who the key
figures will be in his next administration. Stephen Miller has
been named the Deputy Chief of Staff of Policy Now.
Miller worked in Trump's last administration. He's a guy with
a lot to say about I legal immigration.

Speaker 14 (18:46):
Seal the border, and no illegals in everyone here goes out.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
That's very straightforward.

Speaker 14 (18:51):
You would establish large scale staging grounds for remover flight,
so you grab illegal immigrants and then you move them
to the staging grounds and that's what the planes are
waiting for Federal law enforcement and then move those legals home.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Now, this has got to be one of the saddest
stories of the day. A teacher aided at kindy in
Victoria in Australia has died saving kids from an out
of control truck. The truck went off the highway, crashed
into the kindy's play area and Eleanor Bryant died pushing
a kid out of the way. Nine Network presenter Alex
Cullen was a friend of Eleanor.

Speaker 10 (19:20):
It does not surprise me one bit and Eleanor pushed
those school kids out of the way yesterday to ultimately
save their lives. She always always put others first and
a great example to all of us. We will miss you, Eleanor,
and thank you for everything.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
You gave Murriold's on that shortly and finally, more than
one hundred thousand, more than one hundred thousand students in
China have taken part in a sixty k nighttime bike
ride to grab some dumplings. So the students cycled down
the highway to the city of Kaifong, which is famous
for its soup dumplings with so many of them the

(20:01):
highway had to close. Group bike rides are all the
rage on social media and China at the moment. How
wholesome a I How wholesome is that? Just going on
a big bike ride? Anyway? Authorities loved it at the start,
they thought how wholesome, and then this happened, and now
they're clamping down.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Murray Old's off your correspondents with us, He mus afternoon,
do you have a ah, mate? This is a tough
one about the kindy. Do we know what happened to
the truck? Why was it out of control?

Speaker 13 (20:30):
Were not one hundred percent sure the driver, sixty eight
year old fellow may have had a medical episode at
the wheel he's left me.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
There's no reason for him to leave the road other
than that. Manditory tests would have been done by now.

Speaker 13 (20:42):
We don't know the results of those, but you can
only imagine he's had some sort of medical episode and
he's left the road. Very big heavy water tanker. It's
careered into the grounds. Forty three year old animal' Bryant
family's you know the police on the scene say she
shoved children out of the way as the truck arrived

(21:05):
and saved quite a number of lives.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
A little three year old boy was heard.

Speaker 13 (21:09):
But of course Eleanor Bryant, she was forty three years old,
her self speech pathologist. She was killed in the truck
at her Now the family's paid tribute today. He sounds
like a beautiful woman, the light of our lives, they said,
a cherished mother, wife, daughter, and sister. We're going to
miss you like crazy. So it's just the saddest sadust.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yarn really is. We'll talk about this a little bit
more later in the program. Maz tell me about these
people that were found on the remote island off the
Northern Territory.

Speaker 13 (21:35):
Well four of them discovered very very remote island about
two hundred and fifty kilometers northeast of Darwin Way way
out in the Torres Straight, very remote, discovered by traditional
landowners on the weekend. Now, these people apparently told the
locals that paid money, not sure how much, to come
to Australia. They were suffering from exhaustion the effects of

(21:56):
a big heat wave that's hitting the Northern Territory. Apparently
the speculation that could have been fishermen who dropped them off,
because the remains of two sharks and fins at the
two sharks with tails and fins removed were found on
the east coast of Cape Croker, and these guys were
found on Croker Island. So put two of the together,
come up with fishermen dropping them off. It looks like

(22:17):
the most obvious explanation.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
How you ever smelt this corpse flower?

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Oh? God, no, would you want to?

Speaker 15 (22:24):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (22:24):
My waite it?

Speaker 13 (22:25):
It flowers once a decade, and these halfwords are queuing
around the block down in Melbourne to stick their beaks inside.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Never with do you actually have to put your nose
inside it?

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Well, maybe you can spell it a block away. I
don't know.

Speaker 13 (22:36):
I don't care to know, to be honest, but this flower,
of course globally famous for its dreadful smell.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
There's a big, big crowd.

Speaker 13 (22:43):
I mean it literally flowers for forty eight hours every decade.
So these people have been they've literally been flying into
Melbourne to have a sniff. You know, all the people
who are in charge of the plants, their solves. It's marvelous.
Everyone who's waiting to queue up says the same thing.

(23:04):
But I think most normal people will say, you've got
to be caddy.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
I reckon, I do it, muzz, because then you're want
no what, because then you could say you've done it,
and then and then and then and then relative like,
don't you think sometimes you should experience some of the
worst things in the world, so after that you're grateful
that you don't have to do it again.

Speaker 13 (23:20):
Well, the guy I play golf every week, that's one
of the worst things in the world.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
I'm muzz, thank you very much. Maril's Ozzie correspond And
there's one like that in the in the Wellington Botans.
Apparently this is what you call them, the Bowtans. If
you call I'm going down to the Burtan, Darling, I'm
going down to the Botan. I'm just I live in Calvin.
I'm just going to pop down to the Botan. So
apparently the Wellington Botans have got one of those stinky flowers.

(23:46):
And I don't know if it's the corpse flower or
what it is, but I've always wanted to smell it.
But then I left. I left, and and then and
then Tory got in and then I was like, oh,
it's not worth it. I won't even go back for
the corpse flower as a non Wellington ratepayer. Tory is
the kid gift that keeps on giving. It's just a
walking punchline. Tories like Donald Trump to me, I'm going
to miss it when it's gone because it's a bundle

(24:09):
of entertainment and for the most part I don't have
to bear the financial brunt of it or like it
doesn't affect me in a massive way. There's a little
bit like I won't lie, there's a little bit of
opportunity cost. You know, I'm sure I would much prefer
Simi and Brown was busy doing other things rather than
trying to fix toys shambles. And you know, if Trump
he does come in with the tariffs, that's going to
be a bit of the pain of the butt for us,

(24:30):
and we're going to have to suffer a little bit.
But for the most part, yeah, you can sort of
sit afar and just enjoy it, can't you, except of
course for Wellington, in which case we say commiserations to
you guys. But then you did elector sixteen away from five.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
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Speaker 3 (24:49):
Barry so pre senior political correspondence with us. Now, hey Barry,
good afternoon.

Speaker 11 (24:53):
Either of Trumpy wouldn't have talked about Jacinda Dern to
Chris Luxon when he's twelve this morning, because look, the
first meeting I went to with Jacinda durn overseas, and
that was to APEX in Vietnam, not long after she
became Prime minister Trump he locked at her and mistaken
her for Justin Drudeau's what yees.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
So it's entirely possible he hasn't realized she was the
Prime Minister of New Zealand, which is probably us dodging
a bullet with it. Will be honest about it. Hey,
grim day in parliament and I am yeah.

Speaker 11 (25:22):
It was about two hundred survivors were in the public
galleries in Parliament watching from above as one of them
was disrupted. But that was from Tamaki's party and he's
disrupted politicians before. But certainly Chris Lusen was saying sorry
a lot, and he was sorry that they weren't believed

(25:47):
when they came forward with their complaints. Here's the Prime
Minister at the start of his speech today.

Speaker 16 (25:52):
I stand before you as the representative of not only
this government, but of all the governments that have gone
before us to a formal and unreserved apology for the
abuse that you suffered while in state care, churches and
other faith based places. It was horrific, it was heartbreaking,

(26:13):
It was wrong and it should never have happened.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
For many of you.

Speaker 16 (26:18):
It changed the course of your life and for that
the government must take responsibility.

Speaker 11 (26:24):
So it was a very somber Parliament this afternoon and
they rose after they introduced that piece of legislation. The
views of abuse and state care over the decades were
many and varied from the politicians today. They described the
abuse as things that it's so difficult for the young

(26:46):
and the vulnerable over the years, and it's not just
in recent years. The debate was led off by Erica
Stanford from National. It was followed by Labour's Carmel Sepoloni
and then by the Greens Chloe Swarbrick order.

Speaker 17 (27:00):
Some survivors did not live to hear this House state
clearly and unequivocally that what happened to them was wrong
and admit the failings of the state in turning a
blind eye, having an inadequate safeguarding and complaints processes, failing
to properly investigate perpetrators of abuse, and in some instances
colluding to cover up what happened.

Speaker 18 (27:20):
As a New.

Speaker 19 (27:21):
Zealand born Pacific person born and raised in the church,
it sickens me to think that the religion that I
grew up practicing sat as a front to the most
evil practices of abuse against children and vulnerable adults.

Speaker 20 (27:39):
The system of power and secrets which enabled at least
a quarter of a million Maury who had their tamadikin
Rangatahi to be abused through decades, was brought to this
land and established through colonization and oppression.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
The abuse in.

Speaker 20 (27:56):
State care, mister speaker, has filled our prisons and grown
gang numbers. That is what the state is responsible for.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (28:05):
So the views, as I said, there were many and varied.
So but it was somber. They rose at four o'clock
this afternoon, and no doubt they'll be mixing with the
people that gathered in the public galleries today.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
So the Wellington observer stance tomorrow, doesn't he?

Speaker 11 (28:22):
Oh, yes he does, Lindsay McKenzie. He was appointed, of
course as the observer to sit in. Some would say
the Minister's nark at the Wellington City Council. Well Wellington
married Tory Farail, aforementioned by you, doesn't believe having an
observer will be as dramatic as people think. Certainly, he's
there to sort through what is seen as a dysfunctional council.

(28:46):
Tory Fannel doesn't see it as a vote of no
confidence in her though in her leadership certainly, and says
counselors have been getting along better since the government stepped in.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Here.

Speaker 11 (28:56):
She is on Newstalk ZB with Nick Mills.

Speaker 21 (28:59):
This Morning'll never be perfect, is what I'd say, and
that's due to the personalities that are in the room.
You know, when you disagree so fundamentally on things like
you know, values, policies and or so forth, it's going
to cause tension. It's going to be robust. Will never

(29:19):
be best friends. And that's probably something I was naive
about when I first started as mayor.

Speaker 11 (29:24):
That she most certainly was.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Do you see she's joining the hequin.

Speaker 9 (29:29):
Yeah, I heard you say that.

Speaker 11 (29:30):
I think that is just shows that her judgment is
what should not be as the mayor of the capital city.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Well, it's ridiculous, just continued naivety doesn't start protesting totally. Hey,
really quickly run me through this. What's going on with
ACT wanting to buy wanting to buy television ads?

Speaker 11 (29:47):
Well, there's been a report back of the Justice Select
Committee inquiry into the election last year and they say
that the government should consider whether broadcasting allocation should be
moved and the lead up to an election, that's where
the taxpayer pays for elections on sorry ads on television

(30:08):
and radio. Now certain the actors in favor of that.
It's been opposed by Labor and the Greens. Though not
surprising considering they were the paupers essentially, although they did
raise a bit, but they were the paupers when it
came to voluntary donations and that's what ACT are arguing
that it should be on voluntary donations are not hampering.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Because the Act were loaded at the last election. Right,
so the government so was national to right. Barry, thanks
very much appreciate a Bary Soper senior political correspondence given
away from five putting the.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking.

Speaker 22 (30:45):
Breakfast survivors of abuse and care. Cooper Legal is representing
more than sixteen hundred affected clients. Senior Associate lydia Ostahoff
is whether it's the people you represent, what's the feeling.

Speaker 23 (30:55):
So far, We've come a long way, but an apology
means nothing if it doesn't come with a meant to change.

Speaker 22 (31:01):
This is a massive thing. Given an apology is easier
to deliver. Is it unrealistic to expect here's a check
and here's how.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
We're going to do it.

Speaker 22 (31:08):
I mean, this takes time and you want to do it.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Right, don't you?

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yes?

Speaker 23 (31:10):
And I think what we've got to realize is the
final report was tabled in Parliament in July for the government,
and that's a successive government have had the interim read
uras report since December twenty twenty one.

Speaker 22 (31:21):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain driver of the Lahn News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Happy news, Happy news for me. Apparently there is a
corpse flower in Auckland in the winter gardens and the
Auckland Domain how weather. However, it did flower four years
ago and five years before that. Now, actually that's not
a bad thing for me because that means it's maybe
potentially flowering every five years, unlike the one in Australia
which only does every ten years, so maybe we're in
line for a bit a bit of a sniffeted rotting

(31:49):
body next year. Brilliant, let's do it. We've all decided
here at work we're going to do it together. Now listen,
this is a weird one. Okay. So there's been a
malfunction at a car wash and cry church. Normally this
kind of thing. I wouldn't really bring this to your attention,
but I think the something up here. So this woman
goes into the z station, right, and the car wash

(32:10):
starts and it's a little bit intense, and the brushes
are heading the car and when it rolls over the
you know, when the car wash thing goes over the top,
it starts crushing the roof. That's a bit full noise.

Speaker 8 (32:20):
Isn't it.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
That's a little that's a little intense. Then it comes
back for round two and she's really freaking out because
now the car's skidding and going all over the shop.
She's worried it's going to come through the windscreen. She's
worried for her life, which does sound a little dramatic,
but I wouldn't want to be hit by one of
those little things coming at me anyway. Afterwards, she sees
the extent of what's happened. Parts of her car are
spread across the floor, spoiler completely ripped off, aerial cover

(32:44):
and windscreen, wipers bent out of shape, bonnets and roof
and sides of the car crumpled and scratched like this
is an intense thing that's just happened to this car
from what we can tell. No refund yet from Z.
I mean, what's the dispute. This doesn't feel like feels
like a slam dunk, like you've got to fix it
at seven thousand dollars worth of damage. Anyway, Consumer New

(33:05):
Zealand is going to be with us in half an
hour's time to well what am I talking about? Twenty
minutes son to explain what on earth is happening here
and what the situation is. But a survivor who's had
the apology today straight after the news, Newstalk zas.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.
Heather Dupless the ELM Drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected and youth talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Afternoon. It's been a big day for the survivors of
abuse in state and faith based care. The government has
finally officially apologized for the horrific abuse that they suffered,
but a lot of today's attention's been on the solicitor
to Solicitor General uner Jegosi, who also apologized but was
booed and heckled by survivors, so they want to strip
from her job. Leonly McEnroe is a Lake Alice survivor

(33:57):
who attended the apology today. Haleonekta, how do you feel
about that apology?

Speaker 7 (34:03):
Then?

Speaker 24 (34:05):
Well, I think for many people, I would hope that
for many people components of it it helps towards healing
and the closing of the end of the journey. There

(34:26):
are some that we're really unhappy, and I guess at
the end of the day, as the Prime Minister says,
words are important, but there needs to be accountability and redress.
And the fact that that was not actually in alignment
with today's apology in words is really disappointing.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Who did you go see? The Solicitor General was arguably
the one who cop the most heat today. Why the
strength threating towards her?

Speaker 24 (34:59):
Oh, it's inappropriate that she retained her position as the
highest example of law in the in the country. She
has actively been a part of denying, dismissing survivors claims.

(35:25):
She has fought vigorously. She is the bully of Crown
law in the way that she has behaved towards survivors.
She has not handed over documents as the flicited General
and the police required them. Could have seen doctor Leek's

(35:49):
charged earlier, but when asked, can't sort of understand the
reasons why that was never done and in fact laid
responsibility had a junior Crown lawyer's seat. You know, she's

(36:10):
completely inappropriate. She needs to stand down. She has caused
so much continued harm and former by the way that
she has specifically been involved in survivors claims. Yeah, you know,

(36:30):
we had laid a complaint against her for under the
Climes of Torture Act, obstruction of justice and access three
after the fact. And why she felt that or anyone
felt it was appropriate for her, with her legacy of
betrayal to survivors in a very legal, aggressive legal way,

(36:55):
to stand in front of survivors and try and speak
is the stupidest PR stunt I've ever seen.

Speaker 7 (37:04):
It was a sin that she was there.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
All right, Leoni, thank you very much, really appreciate It's
Leonie McEnroe, who's a Lake Alie survivor, Heather Alan. So
Chris Luxon has spoken to Donald Trump on the phone
for the first time since the US election last week.
He says he congratulated Trump on his big winn and
then they talked about deepening ties between New Zealand and
the US. So Don McKinnon is a former Deputy Prime
ministan foreim and Sandy's with us. Now, Hey, Don, good evening,

(37:28):
how are you well? Thank you? Is this a cove
for luxeing to get this phone call or is this
just what you would expect?

Speaker 25 (37:35):
Well, I would hope the reasonably expected. After all, we've
always been pretty good friends with the United States, and
obviously there are one hundred and ninety plus prime ministers
or presidents wanting to talk to the new president of
the United States. So I would say we've been fairly
high up in the queue, and that's a good sign.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Now, I mean the official, the official explanation for what
they talked about is the deepening of ties between New
Zealand and the US. And I struggled to buy that
given what a wild card Donald Trump is. So what
do you think they actually talked about.

Speaker 25 (38:11):
Well, I think Chris Lackson would want to just put
in front of the president. Look, these are the three
things that New Zealand is particularly interested in. One's obviously
going to be traded, second would be security in the
Indo Pacific area, and certainly just the overall relationship. Now,
on the other hand, mister Trump would have had a
piece of paper in front of him which said New

(38:33):
Zealand new Prime Minister Chris Lackson suggests you ask him
about A B and C and so Trump might wanted
some reformation on the security issues. But look, I'm only guessing.
I've seen a number of these conversations at some point
in my time. They tend to be fairly informally formal.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Put it that way, do you reckon that Chris Lackson
would have gone straight in on the tariffs today?

Speaker 25 (39:00):
No, I wouldn't think you'd go straight in on tariff.
So I think you would highlight the fact that New Zealand,
as a trading nation, we've always had a good relationship
with the United States and we would hope it could continue.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Brilliant stuff. Hey, thank you very much, Sir Don Mkin
and former Deputy Prime Minister Foreign Affairs Minister in.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
The past as well, Heather Duplicy.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yes, So that he Quy's going to be hitting Auckland
to Morrown is going to cause a fair bit of
disruption by the looks of things. So a couple of
lanes on the Auckland Harbor Bridge are going to be
closed and unfortunately during morning rush hour traffic. So and
there's an exams on at the moment as well, so
there's there's that as well. To factor in two northbound
clip on lanes of the Harbor Bridge closed. Protesters will

(39:41):
be able to walk across in groups of two hundred
and fifty at a time in one to two minute
interview intervals. That's for health and safety obviously. And once
they cross the bridge are going to split up, so
half of them are going to head down down presumably
down one motorway and half down towards Mission Bay, towards
Bastian Point. They're going down the motorway because they're going
to go to Humato, which is near the airport. What's

(40:03):
happening tomorrow, Coldplay, What's busy tomorrow? The airport people are
coming to Coldplay. So if you're coming to Coldplay, that's
not fun. If you're going to write some exams, that's
not fun. If you're going to work, that's not fun.
If you're going on public transport, that's not fun. So
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Speaker 1 (41:33):
To two Ever do for Cee Allen.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Eighteen past five. So what happens when a car wash
goes wrong? Eh, It's happened to a woman in christ Shirt.
She went into the car wash Z car wash. She
had her spoiler ripped off, the bonnet, the roof, the
sides of the car crumpled and scratched by the brushes
because the thing was malfunctioning. Jessica Walker is the acting
head of Research and Advocacy at Consumer Hello, Jessica, hid
the hell I am? I'm well, thank you? You ever heard
of anything like this happening before?

Speaker 9 (41:58):
Now?

Speaker 26 (41:58):
It's horrifying, isn't it. Getting up to date with the case.
How terrifying for that poor woman. It's made me definitely
put me off going in a car wash. Ever, again,
they might.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Be there as well. The weird thing about this is
that this happened. The staff saw that something had happened.
They gave the woman an O one hundred numbers. She
called it three weeks later. Apparently nothing's been done about
it at all. What happens?

Speaker 26 (42:21):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's terrible. I mean, from what
we've heard, it sounds like this could well be a
breach of the Consumer Guarantees Act. So, you know, when
you're paying for a goods or of service, then it
should be provided with reasonable care and skill. And the
fact that this woman's car looks like it's been destroyed
and she was fearing for her life would indicate that
there was definitely not reasonable care and skill executed on

(42:42):
this occasion. And so then there's a couple of problems here. One,
the response that she got when she first went in
to complain about her awful experience, but to the fact
that it's taken so long for her to hear anything.
And you know, is it just because she's been to
the media that she's had a response.

Speaker 27 (42:56):
I'd like to think not.

Speaker 26 (42:57):
But overall, you know, this is a really really appalling
outcome for the woman.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
You're too right. Hey, did you know that if you're
in a malfunctioning car wash Jessica, because now I know
you're freaking out about it, did you know that you're
supposed to if you need how because you can't get
out right then you die? No, you're supposed to twitch
your horn.

Speaker 26 (43:14):
Well, I think that's ludicres you know, yes, there's a
sign as you drive in, but can you imagine if
something feels like it's bearing down on you, you can hear
that your car's being bashed about. You're not thinking about well,
I'll just toot my horn and hope.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
For the best.

Speaker 26 (43:27):
I mean the reports that she thought her life was
flashing before her eyes, And I think you know, if
that's the situation that you're in, you're not thinking about
punking your horn. You're just praying for it to end
so that you hopefully you can.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Get out of that well too right. Actually, hey Jessica,
thank you very much. Jessica Walker, acting here of Research
and Advocacy consuming New Zealand. We were just talking about
this before producer ends and producer Laura and I and
I said, why wouldn't you just drive out? Because am
I remember just been a while since I've been at
a car wash? Because too lazy? But if I remember correctly,

(43:58):
you get those little brushes vertical brushes, you know, like
they start like a gate keeper. They start like a
sentry in front of the car, but then they go
around and they clean the sites and now they're out
of your way. And then you've got something like a boom,
haven't you that that? And it's in front of your windscreen,
but then it also goes over the top of your
car clean the roof. Once that Shenanigans is out of
the way, you could just drive out, can't You're not

(44:19):
there's nothing else stopping you, So wouldn't you just do that?

Speaker 4 (44:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 28 (44:22):
We actually did some research here there on the many
different kinds of car wash there are zeal And. It
turns out there are a bunch they might not all
work the same way, right, Like maybe the front ones
go first, and some of them, but the front ones,
you know, go last and some other ones.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Do you think that that there is no point in time.

Speaker 28 (44:39):
Where we've got a free run the goalposting behind the brushes, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
You just take a chance, Like, come on, if you
feel like you're going to die, you just go for it,
wouldn't you. You just floor it and hit those little sentry
men the sentry brushes just get out.

Speaker 28 (44:53):
Of apparently supposed to hold the horn first here.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Well, and then you'd be like, now, what are you
going to do about it? Z you don't want to
give me seven thousand dollars, but now you've got a
broken thing, So Tata and good luck to you. Five
twenty one.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
The man you trust to get the answers you need
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Speaker 1 (45:10):
Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be heither.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
The door comes down in the car wash, you can't
drive out. Now that's wrong, and I'm going to talk
to you about it in a minute. Bart. That text
has literally come from somebody called Carmen. Carmen, Carmen, get it, Carl.
It's about car washes anyway, five, twenty four. Listen Murriols.
Muryoles was on before and he was talking to us
about I think what is probably the hardest story to
read today, which is the story of the candy teacher

(45:37):
and Victoria who died yesterday afternoon saving the kids from
the truck that smashed into the candy. Truck driver lost control.
We don't know what happened. Might have been a medical event,
but whatever the truck plowed into the candy teacher saw
it coming. She rushed over, pushed the kids out of
the way, and in doing that she couldn't get out
of the way herself, and so she died. Now, the
thing is, we don't know why. But the thing is

(45:59):
that there have been complaints about the speed of cars
going past that area, and the speed limit outside that
kindy was supposed to be dropped from fifty ks to
forty k's and it hadn't been. And the reason people
are worried about it is because the stuff is happening.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
A couple of weeks ago in Melbourne, and suv crashed
into a primary school and it killed an eleven year
old boy and four other kids as well. Now, I
don't love speed reductions if you listen to the show,
you know just I resist doing stupid things like that
for the sake of it, because all too often speed
reductions are done in places like open roads that actually
don't need speeds to be dropped, But when it comes

(46:33):
to places where kids are I've actually done a complete
one eighty on this. I was telling you I was
reading the book a couple of weeks ago, and a
few weeks ago when I was in Melbourne. The Anxious Generation.
The book talks about why kids are having mental crises
at the levels that they are at the moment. One
of the reasons obviously a social media but another one
of the reasons, and this is particularly true for boys,
is that since the nineteen seventies, parents have increasingly stopped

(46:55):
their kids from just going outdoor and outdoors and playing
around the neighborhood, you know, just roaming around on their
bikes or rowing around with other kids. And the reason
that they've stopped them from doing that is because parents
are scared of traffic and how fast it's going. And
with good reason, right if you think about it, think
about how fast the cars go in your neighborhood. Is fast?
I live on a thirty k road. No one does
thirty ks. I don't even do thirty ks. We all

(47:16):
go way faster than that. Now, the good news in
New Zealand is that because of recent rule changes here,
all schools in the country are going to have lower
speed limits during school hours by the end of twenty
twenty seven. But gotta be honest with you, I don't
reckon we should stop there. I reckon we need to
find a way to slow down traffic around where kids
live and play. Just across the board. I get that
it's going to drive people absolutely bonkers having to slow

(47:38):
down all the time around parks and houses and schools
and stuff would require us sacrificing our time as adults.
But I think for the benefit of going as fast
as we do around kids, we are actually sacrificing quite
a lot, which is their best childhoods. And I think
we need to slow down around them, don't.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
You, forgiver do for Sea Ellens.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
The door doesn't come down on the wash, Well, I
don't know about the specific one, but I just looked
at it. I had to watch the video about a
z car wash just then, and there are no doors
on that. And then Laura, the producer went on the
New Zealand car wash fandom page, which exists. So you know, yeah,
I'm not judging what you do with your life. But

(48:19):
if that's what you're into, and no hate to them,
you could just drive straight out, just drive straight out
and if you have to, just take the top of
your car by hitting that boom guy. Anyway, Listen, yesterday
around about this time on the program, I told you
that Donald Trump is planning to pull out of the
Paris Climate Agreement, and not everyone's gonna hate it because
the Paris Agreement's not working. We're not actually getting the

(48:40):
temperature of the world down fast enough. It's impossible for
us to meet the targets, and it's going to cost
us billions of dollars. Right, here's an example of what's
going the crazy stuff that's going on to meet this right,
The Climate Change Commission late last week said, in order
to meet our obligations under the agreement, we will have
to have up to fifteen percent fewer dairy cows, up
to twenty four percent fewer sheep and beef stock, and

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we have to plant eight hundred and fifty hectares of
eight hundred and fifty thousand hectares of trees fed farmers
hates it and they're with us next.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Heather Dupleice allan drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected and you talk as.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
That'd be right.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
The Hudle was standing by. We have Mike Monroe, David
Farrow with us this evening. We're gonna have a chance
to at Davidson, who knows his dairy stuff. After six
took us through Fontira's plan. Fonterra was just going to
do a straight sell of all of those consumer brands
like Anchor and stuff like that. Now they're talking about
maybe an IPO. We'll find out what he thinks about
that stuff. Hither our local car wash has a door

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that comes down in green lane. Hither some car washers
do have door that close BP whun Hey christ Church
for one, et cetera, et cetera. We have to look,
we've put a lot of effort into this for UK.
So what we've done is we've done a Google streets map.
Google street map is that what you call it? Yeah,
you know where you get the little man and then
you look around the street, gone to the young Linn
wood Z station. That's the one Linn wood Z car wash.

(50:21):
Just so you just just to remind you of the
Linwood car wash owned by z WAW to look around.
No doors. But to be fair to the lady at
the center of the story, you don't always think straight
in the crisis, do you. So it might seem obvious
to usks We're like, why didn't you just drive out?
Yol like it was ripping your car apart? Drive out,
But when you're in a crisis, it doesn't feel like

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the obvious thing to do. And anybody who's been in
a crisis of swords will understand that you you pretty
much like your actual rational thoughts is suspended. So what
you need to do is you need to prepare in advance.
This is what all the people say when you got
to think about hostile environments and stuff like that. Prepare
and advance. So if you're going to go into the
Linwoods Zed car wash or any other one that's going
to rip your car apart, just remember if there aren't

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any doors, drive out, or beat your horn franctically. Twenty
two away from six Heather Dooper now federated Farmers, as
I was just telling you before, as sounding the alarm
about some pretty radical suggestions for how we meet a
climate target, a new one the Climate Change Commission reckons
what we need to do is the following. Get rid
of up to fifteen percent of our dairy cows, get

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rid of up to a quarter of our sheep and
beef stock, and then just plant a whole bunch of trees.
Federated Farmers Toby Williams is with us. Now, hey, Toby, hey,
here that how many trees are we planting?

Speaker 7 (51:35):
Well, eight hundred and thousand hectears of what their target is,
which is about five hundred thousand hectears more than what
they wanted a couple of years ago. So they seem
to have, you know, been smoking something in the reckon
and not quite getting their figures right.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Because it's a lot of trees. I mean, that is
a lot of lot of trees, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (51:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (51:54):
I think if you, if I'm round scared, you could
plant all of the gisbone viral region. They're probably all
of Hawk's Bay. Still need to go and find somewhere else,
all the part of all the flat everything, all that
food producing company sounds real doable.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
And then once we've shot all of the animals, so
a quarter of our sheep and beef and fifteen percent
of our dairy farm a dairy cows. How poor are
we at this stage?

Speaker 7 (52:16):
I think you know, we're all biggest on the on
the side of the street. Absolutely ridiculous. And we've just
been through a winter where people couldn't afford to buy
and his head and beef and lambs we imported Australian stuff.
Everybody's you know, shock and amazing. I mean that's just
if they were to heap of this, they're no one
in his edit is ever going to be able to
buy our dairy, our beef and our lamb. And it's
going to be too expensive for them. So we're going

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to start becoming a net food importer, which is just
absolute madness.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Now, Toby, when you hear stuff like this, I mean,
this has because it is so wild and and so
it would do so much harm to We'd be doing
so much harm to ourselves economically. When you hear stuff
like this, doesn't this just reduce the credibility of something
like the Paris Agreement?

Speaker 7 (52:57):
Well, it does. It just shows you what a you
know what an absolute minds of and what a croc
really that it is. You know, we're a very small
agricultural producing nation. You know, China and India and America
have more emissions every day than our entire country does.
Yet we seem to have these people Climate Change Commission
and some politicians who are I think it's the greatest

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thing in the world that we have to do our
but we have to sacrifice everything that we have, sacrifice
our nation, and sacrifice our rural people and our rural
communities just so we can agree to a piece of
paper that was signed in Paris les ago. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
So I'm getting the feeling that you're the kind of
guy who's not going to have a big cry at
the fact that Donald Trump is threatening to pull out
of this thing.

Speaker 7 (53:40):
No, definitely, I don't like Donald Trump, you know, you know,
I don't think he's time press that I would vote for. However,
he's showing some leadership there. He's standing up to all
these woite greenies and all the greater tim books in
this world and saying, you know what, you don't know
how to run my country. I know how to run
my country. This is what we're doing, and climate change
is important. You know, we need to do our bits.

(54:00):
Panting vast ways of our country and highly flammable weeds
in terms of a pine tree, isn't the solution for
NEA to do? When to be look at how do
we reduce our gross emissions? Not how do we put
a bandit on it and pretend we've done the world
of favor by offsetting them with some pine trees.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Toby, you can come back on the show anytime you want. Okay,
Oh thanks you, Yeah, love it, Thank you. Toby Williams,
Federated Farmers How Good nineteen away from six The.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
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Speaker 3 (54:32):
Mike Munroe, former chief of Staff, to just send out
doing David Farraki we blogging curi ouposter with us high lads. O. Mike,
was there anything Toby said that you thought? Well, madness,
absolute madness.

Speaker 29 (54:45):
Yeah, he was getting wee bit carried away. I thought,
you know, this is a this is a planetary issue.
It's an existential threat to all of us. And I
think that you know, while he finds some of this
report extreme, people have to be told the extent of
the problem and the risks we all face. You know,
until we get the public on side with the threat

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that climate change causes, we're not going to change anything.
And so yes, there will be some extreme rhetoric from
time to time, but it's sort of necessary to ram
home the extent of the problem.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
David, what do you think there was a wee be
agreed with there?

Speaker 30 (55:22):
Not most of it, because I think what gets ignored
is the reality we do like selling our food overseas
as well as to.

Speaker 27 (55:29):
Us, but if we're not doing our bit, there will
be protectionist barriers go up.

Speaker 30 (55:35):
People will say, Nope, if you're not doing anything, we're
not going to buy from you, and that's going to
hurt the rural sector too. Where I think he is
right is we can't rely on just planting trees because
here's the problem. Heather pine trees last for thirty years.
Carbon and the environment lasts for somewhere between eight hundred
to two thousand years, and you just can't reduce you know,

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you can't lock them up for two thousand years of land.

Speaker 27 (56:04):
So we do it.

Speaker 30 (56:05):
You have a pretty hard conversation about how do we
reduce emissions because just planting trees isn't really going to
be a long term solution those.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Protection of barriers, David, that you were talking about is
that in the EU agreement.

Speaker 30 (56:18):
The EU especially has shown that that that.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
And what other agreements are, What other agreements have those
protectionist barriers.

Speaker 30 (56:26):
Well, it's not so much that there's both what governments
may do, but there's also consumer The.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Consumer thing is a fallacy, it doesn't happen. So it's
just the EU agreement. And the EU agreement sucks anyway
for our productive sector. So who cares?

Speaker 30 (56:40):
Yeah, you don't want to be the one country in
the sort of developed world, especially who's not seen to
be pulling your Well.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
We're not going to be, are we, David, Because the
US is going to pull out all together, so it's
gonna be two of us.

Speaker 27 (56:53):
But well, no, that's true about the US is a
big country. It can't be bated. We can be Yeah,
fair enough.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Hey, Mike, what do you make of the course for
Uni j goo See to lose her job?

Speaker 29 (57:03):
Well, look, this is a really sad and there's a
peem here today. It's a horrific issue and it's a
heartbreaking issue. Look, I think it's about time that somebody
in government or at the top of the public sector
in this country put their hand up intok responsibility for
an issue like this. We're very good in this country
at ducking responsibility, and it would it'd be a really

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powerful gesture if Erna actually offered her resignation. Now it
would come down to the government, to the minister, whether
or not they accept it, and they accept or reject
it appropriate, but just the offer of resignation would be
sort of signed from the highest levels that these issues
are just appalling and traumatizing and shocking and that something
is going to change. As I say, we model ourselves

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on the Westminster model style of government, and under that model,
the buck normally stops with the minister. But it's not
all part of our culture like it is in the
UK and elsewhere, and so I think it would be
a gesture if she at least offered to go.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
All right, David, I want you to take on it.
We'll get her and come back from the break at sixteen.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
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Speaker 3 (58:12):
Back of the Huddle, Mike Monroe, David Farrett David. I
can understand the idea of making somebody accountable like Una Jegosi,
but the only reservation I have is that she was
acting in the crownspus interest, which is her job, so
it seems unfair maybe to make her responsible. And also
if you go for a quick fix like that, you
get satisfied walk away and don't actually fix the actual problem. Potentially,

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what do you think I.

Speaker 27 (58:34):
Need to both defend and condemn her?

Speaker 30 (58:36):
Are you the thing that she shouldn't resign over this
because she wasn't just that his chief at Z of
Gunment Agency, but she's.

Speaker 27 (58:44):
The lawyer for the government. Her job was to do
what the clients say. Don't blame the lawyer, you need
to blame the people who instructed the lawyer. So in
that regard, I don't think she should reside.

Speaker 30 (58:55):
I don't think she should reside for her prosecution guidelines terrible.

Speaker 12 (59:01):
Yeah, I can agree with you on that, but that.

Speaker 27 (59:03):
Once for you is responsible for she wrote them. They're
awful taken back. But no, on this one, I think
you have to.

Speaker 30 (59:10):
Be careful about leaking the clients escape responsive for the law,
the why the public service, the ones who actually ran
the institutions. That's where I think you want to see
more of their accountability.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Yeah, don't you think, Mike, doesn't that make sense? I
mean you need to go after the people who are
actually responsible for this.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (59:27):
True, But it's the people at the top her ultimately responsible,
isn't it. You know, I'm an important thing here is
like David says, it's about redress and doing something about it.
But sometimes in politics, you know, gestures are important, and
there's people here who feel really aggrieved that you know
that Juggo's aggressively through everything at legal challenges to try

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and shut them up, and at the end, she is
at the top of the tree and she's responsible. So
that's that's why I maintained that, you know, we have
to demonstrate to those survivors that we have heard them
and we take this pretty seriously. And a resignation is
offered and it'll probably be declined by Collins and that's fine,

(01:00:09):
but performance of offerings important.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Yeah. Listen, David, I am coming around, especially after the
story about the truck and the KINDI and the stuff
that's gone on with eleven year old killed at a
school with cars going to fuss and stuff I'm coming
around to the idea of dropping the speed limits around kids,
even if it inconveniences us A wee bit. Am I
going mad?

Speaker 30 (01:00:28):
You're not getting mad, But depends what you mean by
around kids around schools. Absolutely, But if you're saying every
residential road in New Zealand must be down to a
three y k's, then I think you are gain about mad.

Speaker 27 (01:00:40):
I think at the end, you know it has to
be what suitable.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
But how do we make our neighborhood safe? David? How
do we You've got little kids, how do you make
them safe so that you feel comfortable about sending the
dudes out on their bikes.

Speaker 30 (01:00:54):
Well, actually it's more about the quality of the road
than about the speed they go at either, do you
hear your fifty k's?

Speaker 27 (01:01:01):
There is danger there. So I think it's actually comes
back to what's appropriate for that road. The thing is
a lot most residential roads do you seek is.

Speaker 30 (01:01:11):
Fine, but they're feeder roads and they're the roads that
get everyone into the main highways, et cetera. Then you're
going to have real congestion effects from that. So some
suburban roads, absolutely all of them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Know, Mike, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:01:26):
I tend to agree that this is This is not
one of those areas where you know, one one size
fit's all, one roll fit's all. It's got to come
down to the sort of built up nature of the area,
the quality of the road around schools cleanly.

Speaker 15 (01:01:40):
It's important.

Speaker 29 (01:01:41):
But you know all the data and all the science shows.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Sorry, Mike, are you doing the dishes?

Speaker 27 (01:01:49):
I am cooking dinner because I.

Speaker 30 (01:01:53):
Has COVID, so I've got the kids, so I am
actually cooking around They.

Speaker 15 (01:01:59):
All mumity tasking.

Speaker 27 (01:02:02):
Is fine, cheriso and pumpkin risotto.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
How old are they?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
How old are the kids?

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Yes?

Speaker 27 (01:02:11):
Not the tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
That is impressive. There is that, Mike. That is a
good palette for a five year old, isn't it.

Speaker 29 (01:02:21):
I'm very impressed. Yeah, I've got I've got I've got
grandkids and they're only very little. But yeah, you're setting
a high standard for the for me, for the future there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Yeah, geez, I got to tell you what. I tried
to snick a carbonara in the in the dude the
other day and he flat out he said to me,
I don't like it. I like bolanaise.

Speaker 29 (01:02:39):
So they all loved the younger one.

Speaker 30 (01:02:42):
We did take to a buffet dinner the other day,
and you know you've got fifty dishes to choose from,
you had twelve bread rolls.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
And the people, the people charging you for that, were like,
this is the best deal ever. Yes, bread guys, listen,
thank you as always really appreciated the pair of you.
That's Mike Monroe and David farre a huddle this evening,
eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
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The latest on the US election is Heather Duplicy Alan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected these talks.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
It'd be.

Speaker 9 (01:03:17):
Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
I'm sorry to tell you this, but I'm going to
be around to fit you for your special white jacket shortly,
because slowing cars down around schools is a great idea
when there are kids coming to and from school to
somewhere else, but not at eleven at night or the
other insane hour. Is that reducing the speed limit to
thirty around schools? Twenty four by seven introducers. Sadly lots
of people seem to need the special white jacket. I'm
with you on there. I like the variable speed limits.

(01:03:39):
I like the variable speed limits where you know, you
only slow down the cars at the times of night
that you need to and stuff like that, especially when
you've got you know, like out in the back of
Pocoe or Pirata. That new school, I don't know if
you've seen it, synt ignacious, the New Catholic School. Well,
I mean that's just on like a bloody like dirt road,
isn't it. What's not really a do it road? Is
this just a back road though, isn't it? And there's

(01:03:59):
no point you need you to Why would you be
going thirty there all of the time. It's fine just
around school hour. So I'm with you on that. I
don't know, I'm gonna have to think about this. I'm
gonna have to think about this. So I do think
we need to slow the cars down. We need to
get the kids out on their bikes and stuff. Anyway, listen,
A and Z. It's not every day that I give
props to a bank, but I'm gonna give props to
A and Z because it appears that they are the
only of the big Australian owned banks that has some

(01:04:21):
decency and common sense around the climate thing. You will
recall we've been talking about it Westpac, BNZ and ASB
have all set these reduct these targets for how they
need they really the banks really need, really need the
dairy farmers in this country to reduce their emissions because
that's what the banks are into now. So they have
decided the banks have to reduce the emissions and not ASP. Sorry, Westpacer,

(01:04:44):
B and Z both are going harder on our local
dairy farmers. So the key we dairy farmers have to
go harder on the emissions than the Australian dairy farmers,
because that's fair, isn't it. Anyway, A and Z props
to you.

Speaker 7 (01:04:54):
A and Z.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
They were like, nah, we're not going to do it.
We're just not gonna do this. Reason is at the
moment we're not setting a dairy target because we don't
see the pathway clearly for our dairy customers to reducing emissions,
which is basically to say, we can't see how they're
going to do it, so we're not going to introduce
the target. So there's a bit of climate madness that
we managed to avoid it. Fortunately, thank god, farm Mack
is in Farmack's and Farming's gonna cop it tomorrow morning

(01:05:18):
on some radio stations. I think FARMAK has killed its
Marori Advisory group, so they had I don't know when
this lot was set up, but a group was set
up to advise FARMAC on how to do the right
thing by Mary. Specifically because Farmak went down that path
you might recall, they decided to pull a Bennett. The
chairs put out a statement said now they've got rid
of this. Now they don't need the Mary Advisory Group.

(01:05:38):
They've got a bunch of arrangements in place already. They've
got the four old Swayze's one, the trotting cop is
there two years in a row now in christ Church.
Well done anyway, they've got the four Marty Health professional bodies,
they've got EWE Marty Partnership Boards. They've got a Mary
Health Advisory Committee with inside the Ministry of Health. So
they're getting heaps of advice already. Don't need the special lot.

(01:06:00):
Misory Board coach here not happy about this because this
was a dedicated service with the others not dedicated to Farmac. Also,
their other job is being forgotten about here, which is
that they meet with MARDI staff at Farmac and there
aren't many of them, and they say We're just concerned
from a cultural safety perspective in terms of who will
be looking out for them. So anyway, watch they're going

(01:06:20):
to get in trouble for doing that. Next up, Stuart Davison,
Dairy Insights consultant on Fonterra's plans to maybe not go
for a straight trade sale on the old Anchor and
all the other brands and consumer brands, but go for
an IPO. Get us taken on it shortly, News dogs
there be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Retail New
Zealand is going to talk us through whether this is
going to be a bummer or a bumper Christmas sale
this year. They're with us after half bus six. Brad
Olsen on with Trump's really going to do the tariffs also,
Jamie McKay and and de Brady. It's coming up eight
past six now. It turns out instead of a straight
trade sale, Fontira is now considering an IPO to sell
off its consumer brands. We're talking the likes of Anchor, Mainland,

(01:07:12):
Carpety and so on Fonterra's has had significant interest in
buying these brand Stewart Davison Izidaari Insights consultant Haste Stuart, Hi,
I'm very well, thank you. Listen, before we even get
into like the machinations of this thing, good idea to
get rid of the consumer brands, do you think?

Speaker 15 (01:07:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 31 (01:07:29):
I think it is from the strategy that the Fonterra
team is presented to sharehold.

Speaker 15 (01:07:33):
Does it kind of make sense?

Speaker 31 (01:07:34):
You know, they want to simplify the core business of Fontira,
which is proceeds and newtel Milk, into ingredients and food
service goods, which they do really good, really well. And
you know palm Off will hand off the more complex,
fast moving consumer goods business that is the consumer arm
of Fontira.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Right because they don't have to know how to really
leverage these brands properly. But is it that complicated?

Speaker 31 (01:07:54):
Stewart, Well, I think, you know, we zoom out a
little bit and look at the size and scale of
Fonterira globally. You know they've got the hands reasonably filled
with the ingredients and food service part. You know, to
put a perspective, it's news's biggest business, full stop. And
then you know, zoom a little bit further. It's got
all the markets across the world, it's got offices everywhere,
and that's just the ingredients.

Speaker 15 (01:08:14):
Could you keep that portional scale going.

Speaker 31 (01:08:17):
So there's a lot going on, and I think they've
admitted to you know, they've got too many balls in
the air to really give the consumer side a good
going going at and so you know, parming off to
someone else to really put some effort into it and
focus on makes a.

Speaker 15 (01:08:32):
Lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Why would they consider instead of a straight trade sale,
which I think we all assume they would do, why
would they consider.

Speaker 14 (01:08:38):
An I P O.

Speaker 31 (01:08:40):
Well that's a really good question. Actually it's kind of
a bit of an exciting option for the market too.
So you know, taking it from farmer owned.

Speaker 15 (01:08:47):
Cooperative consumer business to then.

Speaker 31 (01:08:50):
Offering up to the IPO market and putting it back
on the listed market, it's pretty exciting, you know for
those farmers that you know complained when this option came
up or the management thought about it, and now they
can actually have a they can never stab at only
this business as well.

Speaker 15 (01:09:03):
You know, those farmers can when they get their capital.

Speaker 31 (01:09:05):
Return container around and go and buy some of this
IPO if it gets listed, and then for everyone house
in New Zealand, for example, they can have a share
of this business if it meets their requirements.

Speaker 15 (01:09:15):
And then also you know, for institutional.

Speaker 31 (01:09:17):
Vestors as well, to get a bit of an exposure
to the world of theory consumer goods. It's it's quite
an exciting opportunity if it's presented well, it could be
quite a good opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
But Stuart, am I reading this wrong. In my head,
an IPO means Fonterra retains some ownership of it.

Speaker 31 (01:09:33):
Yeah, Camp, Yeah, there's definitely a portion that Fonterra could
keep fifty one percent or forty percent.

Speaker 15 (01:09:38):
You know, you roll the dice and pick a number.
But the end of the day, they can.

Speaker 31 (01:09:41):
Also know IPO hold for the whole period and then
slowly eat their way out of it too. So at
that point, you know, once we get over that whole period,
which is all all determined by the exchange and the
company and ownership and the investment bank that underwrites it,
you know, that can all.

Speaker 15 (01:09:57):
Be figured out in future in due course. But Voluntier
might want to keep control of the two considering you know.

Speaker 31 (01:10:03):
What they've told us that there's going to be supply
agreements in the background with whatever they do in the
consumer business space to make sure that that milk produced
by New Zealand farmers continues to find those brands.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
I see they've also decided to retain. They were going
to sell, but they're not going to anymore. A very
small China consumer business and then also a Saudi manufacturing factory. Why.

Speaker 15 (01:10:23):
Yeah, Well, these are questions I don't have the exact
answer for, but I mean those are very important markets
for them for both.

Speaker 31 (01:10:29):
So I mentioned they're probably small enough or have some
value to the ingredients space or the food service space,
you know, to complement the existing businesses there, or that
the businesses they look to retain going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Stuart, thanks for the insights. Appreciated that. Stuart Davison, Dairy
Insights Consultants. Do you remember, just just taking you back
into the gas crisis that we had in winter? Do
you remember when Methodics shut down its operations and it's
sold gas to Contact and Genesis so we could keep
the lights on, And then we were asking Contact and
Genesis and the government how much did they paying them?
Shadied want to talk about it? Well, we do now

(01:11:02):
have a fair idea potentially, because method X has released
the financial report for the three months to September and
revealed that in that period when they had the shutdown
of the methinex plants, they got paid seventy five million
or thereabouts New Zealand dollars. Now, some back of the
envelope calculations have been done by the guys at Business
Desk can know how all this stuff works, and they

(01:11:22):
reckon that that implies a price of eleven dollars twenty
two a giga duel of gas. Now that's actually a
bargain for Contact and Genesis if you look at it
one way, because at the time, the spot gas prices
were trading as high as fifty bucks a giga jewel.
So if you can get something that's going for fifty
bucks on the open market for only eleven bucks, you're
doing pretty well, aren't you. And also, at the same
time bargain for methinex because gas prices normal times like

(01:11:46):
now on the spot market are seven bucks, right, so
they're selling it for eleven bucks, so they make it
okay on that and they would have bought it way
cheaper than what you're paying on the spot market because
they buy bulk and they buy it ahead of time,
so they would have made it absolute blinking killing on it. Anyway.
The problem, though later on we find out for Genesis
and Contact was not long after they made this deal,

(01:12:07):
desperate to keep the lights on, there was a lot
of rain, and so the Methadex deal basically, very temporarily
is the gas shortage, because all of a sudden we
didn't actually need all that much gas anymore. We had
heaps of hydro. So that didn't work out that well
for them, but at the time seemed like a good one.
Thirteen past six.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
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Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Talks, it'd be.

Speaker 17 (01:12:39):
Um.

Speaker 8 (01:12:40):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
I loved that Toby Williams interview from Federated Farmers so
much just before that. I think we're gonna have a
little chet to Jermy McKay about it. Has he listened
to it?

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
Laura?

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Can you tell him to No's he heard it live?
Didn't he is? He's a listener? Okay, you're Jamie MacKaye
standing by ready to talk to us about that very shortly,
so standby as well please. Sixteen past six Now economists
are warning that we may have to downgrade our economic
outlook as a result of Donald Trump's election because analysts
from BMI, which is part of Pitch reckon, we're going
to lose ten percent of growth two percent growth down

(01:13:10):
to one point eight percent next year. Brad Olson is
in for Metrics principal economis and with us Now. Hello Brad, Hello,
nice to have you in the studio. Thank you for
coming in.

Speaker 25 (01:13:19):
Brad.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Is this based entirely on the prospect of him doing
the tariffs?

Speaker 12 (01:13:24):
I don't think it's just the tariffs. The tariffs do
make a bigger part, and certainly longer term. I think
we're almost more worrying because if the US puts on
a tariffs, doesn't buy as much overseas, there's not as
much need for overseas to produce stuff. Therefore there's not
as many manufacturing jobs overseas, and they don't have money
that they then spend on our stuff. But I think
also importantly, if Trump then comes through with some of

(01:13:47):
the tax cuts in that that he wants to bring through.
Most expectations from US economists is that that would be inflationary. Therefore,
next year there's not as much need for the Federal
Reserve to cut interest rates back, so there's not as
much economic growth coming forward if that's the case, if
interest rates have to stay higher. So I think it's
a combination of the tariffs, but also of his other

(01:14:07):
economic policies that would almost drive too much short term
economic growth in the US, which would cause an inflation
to be higher, and then interest rates.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
And then how much of it also, I mean, because
he's really he I mean, he is intending to make
life very difficult for China. Right, How much of this
is squeezing China's economy, which we're reliant on.

Speaker 12 (01:14:23):
Yeah, I mean that's a big enough part of it,
particularly when the Chinese economy is not doing great to
start with, right. But I think also interesting, I mean,
the question for me is how quickly does this come through?
And it's been fascinating the last day or so looking
at some of Trump's cabinet picks. He's picked, you know,
the head of the EPA, He's picked someone to run
the border, He's picked by the likely buz. Sounds that

(01:14:43):
are secretary of State, no Treasury secretary yet or anything
like that. So I do sort of wonder if he's
made it a bit clearer. He wants to do stuff
around environmental regulation, he wants to change border settings and
what have you. He doesn't seem like he wants to
go gung ho. You know, first minute of his presidency
will be tariff. So this might be a slightly more
delayed impact coming through on the economy. It might not

(01:15:04):
hit day one.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
I do not believe he's going to do the tariffs.
I just I think the reason being that he says
a lot of stuff that is designed like any deal waker, right,
you say a lot of stuff up front, you freak
people out, and then you soften your position and then
you strike the deal. And I just wonder if the
tariffs are that. And I think because I think that
when he thinks it through and realizes, as has been

(01:15:27):
pointed out to me, how much of our stuff go
as componentry goes into other things, and what the impact
that that's going to have, I don't think it's going
to be a good idea for him.

Speaker 12 (01:15:34):
Well, but this is the challenge, right, does he believe
that he's going to do it. No one's got that
certainty either way, because I guess the other risk is
that he sort of doesn't do it immediately, everyone drops
their guard and then all of a sudden, bang he
puts twenty percent tariffs on and so that unexpectedness I
think is causing a little bit maybe not volatility, just
everyone's questioning at all. And I think also he's been

(01:15:54):
pretty clear as an incoming president he wants more manufacturing
in the US, and tariffs would do that to a degree.
It would still cost the economy overall, but if he
does want to get some of those blue collar, you know,
manufacturing jobs back, and that could be a way to
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Bred We're going to talk to retail New Zealand in
about well maybe like fifteen minutes or thereabout. It's about
what they're expecting for the upcoming Christmas season because the
credit can't spending was pretty flat last month.

Speaker 12 (01:16:16):
What do you reckon, Well, we got a new card
spending today which actually so sort of a continued flattening off,
maybe a little bit of a boost coming through in
the seasonally adjusted numbers. It's not enough to sort of
call this a Christmas bonanza yet, but maybe some slightly
better news, those interest rates staying to have an impact.
I think the thing we'll all be waiting for is
those Black Friday sales that come through some of the

(01:16:37):
cyber Monday stuff like are people spending or not? Because
I keep hearing people that sort of say, if the
special isn't good enough, if there's not enough deals going around,
I'm still not buying. So maybe some early signs, but
I don't think it's enough to make for a great Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Yeah, it doesn't look like it. So have you done
that thing that everybody does where you can bin and
work with a Coldplay concert?

Speaker 12 (01:16:54):
I very much have. I am happy. I've got some
work meetings in the next couple of days, but I've
also got an appointment with Coldplay tomorrow night with you
and a few other people by the ound.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
Yeah, I'm going to be there. We're going to be
raging out together, aren't we.

Speaker 12 (01:17:05):
It's going to be good.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
You've a big Coldplay fan or what I am?

Speaker 12 (01:17:07):
I mean fix you as my go to I'm not
the most upbeat song in my life, but maybe that
fits with the dismal science of economics that you know,
a little bit downbeat. Every now and then, but I
will try and fix you with the economics overall.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
I'll tell you what, why don't we get Adrian to
listen to fix you instead of what he's trying to
do to the economy.

Speaker 12 (01:17:23):
I think that a sky full of stars might be
more apped at points.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Oh jeez, is there a song about trees? Because I
don't believe it does identify as one of them.

Speaker 12 (01:17:31):
The scientist's clocks and otherwise, but yeah, I'm not sure
about trees.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Jeez, Hey, enjoy the concert and thanks for coming and
really appreciate it. That is Brad Olsen Informetric's principal economists.
It's twenty one perst six.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
The Rural Report on heather do for see allan drive
all right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Six twenty three. So this was Toby Confederated Farmers talking
about the Climate Change Commission's plans for how we're going
to meet our climate targets, new ones that are coming
at us, including fifteen percent We've got to go out
and shoot fifteen percent of the dairy couse, twenty four
percent of the sheep and beef, and we need to
plant a whole bunch of a whole bunch of trees.
Apparently enough trees to cover all of Gisbon and all
of Hawk's Bay, and then we're still looking for more land.

Speaker 7 (01:18:10):
Absolutely ridiculous. And we've just been through a winter where
people couldn't afford to buy and his head and beef
and lambs. We apported Australian stuff, So everybody's you know,
shocking amazing. I mean that's just if they're ware to
heap with this, they're no one in his eddit is
ever going to be able to buy our dairy, our
beef and our lamb is going to be too expensive
for them. So we're going to start becoming a net
food importer, which is just absolute madness.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Jamie mckaye Hosts of the Countries with Us.

Speaker 32 (01:18:33):
Hello Jamie, Hello, Heather Thoughts, Well come with Toby. To
be perfectly honest, those numbers are a bit are a
bit of an eye opener, aren't they? Twelve to fifteen
percent fewer dairy couse. Just remember New Zealand, if you're
listening to this, what's going to get us out of
the economic hole? It's probably a nine dollars fifty or

(01:18:54):
a ten dollar payout. So the last thing we want
to do, and I want to be environmentally friendly about
this too.

Speaker 7 (01:19:00):
Head.

Speaker 32 (01:19:00):
The last thing we want to do is a nation
has reduced our dairy heard I would think by fifteen percent,
not to mention eighteen to twenty four percent for sheep
and beef soock, and they'll be the real losers from
this suggestion. I know that Toby Williams is very, very
passionate about protecting some of that rolling hill country land.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
Look, it's an.

Speaker 32 (01:19:22):
Absolute shame that some of it is going to trees.
And I'm not against trees, but at the moment, aid
is the carbon credits. But b there isn't a great
return for logs at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
And once we.

Speaker 32 (01:19:33):
Plant this and trees heather, it takes a lot of undoing.
You're talking about a thirty year cycle from planting to harvest.
And even then you just can't go and plant grass
after pine trees have been there for thirty years. The
pine needles are very acidic, and you have to do
a whole lot of things to soil without complicating it

(01:19:54):
before you can move that back to pasture.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Well, here is hoping that some common sense prevails in
this a particular part of the world. But on common sense,
how about a and Z being the one bank that's
not going to introduce the climate targets.

Speaker 32 (01:20:07):
I'm very pleased about that. And the reason I'm pleased
and I think whoitness has taken over here because it's Westpac,
B and Z ASB and my mates at Rabobank have
all set twenty thirty reduction targets. I think they should
be butting right out of it. And A and Z, interestingly,
Heather and it was good to hear their chief executive

(01:20:29):
Antonia Watson, come out and save this. They have the
biggest rural portfolio of all the banks because back in
the day, A and Z combined with the National Bank,
and if you go back one step further, they took
over the Rural Bank, which had the biggest rural portfolio.
So you know Antonia Watson saying, at the moment, we're
not setting a dairy target, and the reason is that

(01:20:51):
we don't see a pathway clearly for our dairy customers
to reducing emissions. We're waiting on new technology, we're waiting
on new science, We're waiting for all these solutions. In
my humble opinion, and I said this to Todd Charteris,
chief executive of Ravo Bank on my show on Monday.
I think the banks have gone woke. They need to
butt out of this. This is a government decision, not

(01:21:13):
a bank decision. And if the processes want to put
on a levy at process at the processor level, let
them do that. But if I want to change farmer behavior,
and I'm bloody banging on a I'm repeating myself and horrifically,
just give the farmers a premium for zero carbon or

(01:21:34):
reduced carbon produce and they will change they're farming practice
to suit. It's a really simple equation, it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Really is, Jamie, thank you very much. Enjoy your evening
as Jamie McKay host to the Country Heather. I am
with Toby and Jamie. Climate commissioner idiots what the Climate
commission is a very clever man. But the Climate Commissioner, unfortunately,
I think, strikes me as somebody who's a single issue zalot.
And if you're a single issue zalot, like if you
are obsessed with just this one thing, you don't really

(01:22:02):
care about the unintended consequences of it, you have got
to have more going on, do you know what I mean?
You've got to have a little bit more in your repertoire.
It's a French word. We're only pronouncing it in English now,
aren't we remember that? Remember that last night. I'm going
to regret that. I'm going to tell you why. I'm
going to regret that very shortly. Stand by for that

(01:22:24):
and then also Retail New Zealand YEP headlines.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Get to the French pronunciation just to take end of
Brady's going to be with us shortly as well. Heather,
you are showing how much you underestimate how ignorant Donald
Trump is. This is basically my argument that I don't
believe that he's going to do the tariffs. This is fair,
This is a fair thing. The thing about Donald Trump
is we don't know. Like with anybody, remember remember this
about Donald Trump. He's a guy who likes to strike deals, right,

(01:23:19):
this is why. And if you put that at the fundament,
like if you put that at the heart of your
understanding of Donald Trump, a lot of what he does
make sense. My husband, as you know, has complete Trump
arrangement syndrome. Honestly, you can't even talk about it at home,
not unless you're going to prepare yourself to like set
aside fifteen minutes for a dissertation on it. Because the
man just like he just he just loses his mind
of a Trump. But and the latest thing that he's

(01:23:39):
very upset about is he's found an old clip that's
really old. It's from like the last time Donald Trump
was the president. He's found an old clip of Donald
Trump sitting in a room with Nancy Pelosi and I
think Chuck Schumer is there, and maybe I think Pence
is there as well, and Trump is just giving Pelosi
the hardest time on earth, Like he is being rude

(01:24:00):
to her and Chuck Schumer and they are sitting there
taking it and sort of talking back and stuff. And
the husband is just like, how can you treat people
like this? He's like his mind is blown. But what
you need to understand is Trump is a deal guy.
So he's gone in there and he's giving them a
hard time and he's talking at them for the cameras
in order to create a performance and to strike a deal. Right,

(01:24:20):
And if you kind of understand that, then you can
make a lot of sense of what he's doing. And
this is why I retain hope that he will not
do the tariffs, because I think that the tariffs are
as opening gambit, the threat of the tariffs, that's the
opening gambit from a deal breaker, a deal maker rather
deal broker, and hopefully, hopefully, hopefully he softens his position
and settles after that, because you know, you don't go

(01:24:41):
in with your you don't go in with your actual deal,
do you. You go in with your hard case and
then you soften it. So fingers crossed. Of course, the
alternative is that Allan is correct and he's just ignorant,
and I'm not factoring that. In twenty two away from seven,
here the dupless out well retailers continue to struggle along
because we're still watching all the money we spend electronic cards.
Spending data show to one point one percent fall in

(01:25:03):
October compared to last October, and September was also down
nearly six percent. Carolyn Young is the chief executive at
Retail New Zealand and with.

Speaker 24 (01:25:11):
Us are Carolyn Cure, Heather, thanks for having me, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Thanks for joining us. So when you look at this
are you bracing yourselves for a bit of a stink
Christmas period?

Speaker 25 (01:25:21):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:25:21):
Look, I'm in two minds.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:25:23):
My heart is saying, come on, we can get our
confidence back at consumers and let's get out there and
support a local retailers. But my head is saying, you know,
it's probably going to be a tough period over the
next four or five weeks as we work our way
through to Christmas. It's not far away now, and consumer
confidence is still relatively subdued.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Do you think, well, I mean, we still have one
more one more OCR cut at the end of this year.
I don't think towards the end of this month.

Speaker 25 (01:25:52):
Is it possible?

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Yeah, is it possible that it gives people a little
phillip and just that extra a little bit to spend.

Speaker 8 (01:25:59):
Look at its ball. Banks usually have cut their rates
prior to the Reserve Bank because they're anticipating what's going
to happen. The challenge of courses is our people in
the process where they are looking at refixing their mortgage,
and if they're not, it's that lag factor that's the
key key piece here. And what we do know is
that all of the economists are forecasting, are really strong

(01:26:22):
twenty twenty five. The question is when will it turn.
Will it be February, will it be March, will it
be April. But we're expecting early twenty twenty five to
see a turn, and we really just have to survive
those next four or five months to get us there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
So what happens if it's tight for people? Right, It's
not as if we just pretend Christmas doesn't happen. Do
we just go out and buy smaller gifts?

Speaker 8 (01:26:42):
That's what we're seeing. We're absolutely seeing at the moment
that the average sale price is down across the country
and so people are making spending, but it's spending a
small amount of what they had been in the past.
I think families will make decisions around what they spend
on and whether that's on essentials to have a great

(01:27:05):
Christmas barbecue or a ham or whatever. It might be
one of those special treats, and they may decide to
spend this on presents and gifts for potentially oults or
parts of the family. So, you know, we know that
it's tough out there and people will need to make choices.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
He are you getting anywhere with Wellington City Council and
putting the brakes on the Golden mart.

Speaker 8 (01:27:26):
It's a really interesting creation headed because we have been
trying to engage with Wellingam City Council and they just
recently canceled a meeting on us. It was forecast for
this week, So pretty disappointed was we were at at
the moment. But we're still pushing ahead and making sure
that we speak out on behalf of retailers and hospitality
around what it is that we need in the city
for it to be thriving, and that's certainly not more

(01:27:49):
disruption for two or three years.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
Yeah, good luck with that. I really hope you guys
get your way with it. It's Caroline Young, who's the
chief executive at Retail New Zealand. Heather, it's l J. Here.
I was listening to you last evening. I'm thinking you're
gonna have to walk back on the pronunciation. Think thing
okay here, So this is what happened. So my year
seven English teacher was listening last night from South Africa

(01:28:12):
and this is the point at which I vowed that
I would never ever do another French pronunciation again, because
I'm speaking English and I you know frenchhip. I mean
habits of dicks to us, aren't they If you think
if you've ever been to France and spoken English, they
give you a hard time. So I'm gonna give them
a right back to them. So I was like, whatever
le crousee, it's le crousette whatever was speaking English. She
said to me, you know, valet valet fiallet filette. I

(01:28:35):
thought that I had. I thought I had some I
thought I had a good pattern going here. She sent
this to me. Hither, I look forward to hearing you
trying to pronounce in English only the following words de
ja voas, deja vous, cheffieur, chauffeur, bouquettes, bouquy.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
Hmm, what was it?

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
What was how do you pronounced sabotage again as so subbottage? Yeah,
obviously you.

Speaker 28 (01:29:03):
Know what, And I mean you just completely left out
the middle U in chauffeur as well, So that'd be chowfur,
wouldn't it chow foreer.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Oh chow fa. Yeah, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about,
because at the moment, what I am doing is some
sabotage of the language. When I run on run out
on the field for the first time, for the all blacks,
which will be a site for everybody I will be
doing my debut and so many other words. She's pointed out,
hang out the white flag, Heather, and I have to
be honest with you at this stage, I am regretting
the highly principled stance that I took on my English

(01:29:32):
pronunciation yesterday. So I feel as if I'm going to
have to back down on this, but I'm going to
hold on to some of them and i am going
to bastardize it. So what you will notice is that
I will make an effort to really stuff up a
French word in English. So I'm going to do a homage.
When everybody says, oh, that's a homage, it's a homage. No,

(01:29:54):
it's a homage, and I'm going to have a reproach
mod or whatever. I'm just going to to make it
so you understand it, but you also enjoy how much
I'm sticking it to.

Speaker 28 (01:30:04):
The stow we've gone from. I'm going to completely redefine
how we pronounce the English language too. I'm just going
to deliberately mist pronounce a couple of words. Yeah, I
suppose that's about the spirit of compromise.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Really, it's the art of the deal. Like Donald Trump
seven teen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
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Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
What about Restaurant? I think you understood that, Thank you,
Meghan fourteen away from seven. Int Brady UK corresponding with us.

Speaker 18 (01:30:37):
Now, hey, hello Heather, great to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
So about the rugby Oh, here we go? So, I mean,
what happened.

Speaker 18 (01:30:49):
Look, we've taken a collective decision in Ireland to let
others be the best team in the world for three
years and then in the fourth year of the cycle
we go and actually win something.

Speaker 32 (01:31:00):
So next, the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Opposite of how you normally play, which is that you
play you play really poorly in the off years. No,
you play really well in the off years and poorly
in the on years. So you've switched the technic. You're
gonna win the Rugby World Cup, are you?

Speaker 18 (01:31:12):
Well? Look, look we need to get past quarter finals,
but no, fair play, fair play to your guys, absolutely brilliant.
But then we move on.

Speaker 15 (01:31:20):
We move on.

Speaker 18 (01:31:21):
As I said to your dear producer Laura. Just now,
we're not the History channel.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
With a news channel. Hear it up, Hey, listen, why
did Stamer go to Paris mamas to day?

Speaker 18 (01:31:32):
So this was painted out as a big deal. You know,
British Prime Minister being in France for the first time
for Armstace Day since Winston Churchill. Would you believe nineteen
forty four he stood with Charlot Degaul eighty years ago.
But you know instantly you can say Keir Starmer was
not there for history. He was not there for Armstae Day.

(01:31:53):
He was there to get some private time at Macron,
to sit down behind closed doors and say, right, what
are we going to do about Trump? That's what yesterday
was all about. So Starmer spent the entire day in
Paris and they will have talked about how to deal
with Trump. What's coming in January? Are trade tariffs coming
our way in Europe and obviously the UK is now

(01:32:15):
not part of the European Union and that is a
big worry. If Trump starts kind of knocking trade tariffs
around Europe, it's a problem for everyone. And also the
war in Ukraine. What's he going to do there? Is
he going to continue his support so Starmer and Macron
have a very good relationship. Starmer was working privately behind
the scenes before he got elected. He actually got an

(01:32:37):
audience in Paris prior to you know, when he was
leader of the opposition. So make no mistake, he is
a serious man and Trump is going to be a
serious issue for Europe as he is for everywhere else.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
Yeah, you know, we were just talking about Donald Trump
just a few minutes ago. Actually, And the thing about
Donald Trump is he's a guy who makes deals, right,
so you've got to bring something to the table. So
Stamer is basically what if a Stamer wants he has
to brings up in order to try for that, doesn't.

Speaker 18 (01:33:01):
He Absolutely he's a transactional politician. And you know he
even wrote the book The Art of the Deal. Well, unfortunately,
the main thing Trump wanted out with the UK was
a state visit with Queen Elizabeth. The second he's had that,
she's gone, and you just wonder what else this country.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
Has to offer him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
Is he not interested in Charles?

Speaker 27 (01:33:21):
I don't think he is.

Speaker 18 (01:33:22):
I think I think look what they'll do is they'll
offer him another state visit, and they're already making plans
to have him speak in Parliament, and I think privately,
behind the scenes, what they're working on is his ego.
How come you know we can say you can say that.
You know, he's already said that he was Queen Elizabeth
the Second's favorite president ever. Apparently she told him that directly.
You know, we can absolutely I was her favorite president ever.

(01:33:45):
She told me to my face, you can totally believe,
you know, these conversations that one person isn't around to
this dispute.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
I think.

Speaker 18 (01:33:53):
I think what we'll do is say to him that,
you know, come and speak in Parliament. It's amazing, it'll
you be the most beautiful president ever. But in the meantime,
please don't put any tart of some British goods going
to America.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
Yeah, jeez, I'll tell you what. It's quite a thing
to invite him to speak there just for his ego,
isn't it. Tell me about this breakthrough in the cold.

Speaker 18 (01:34:12):
Case in Ireland, So a young woman, Jojo Dollard, twenty
one years of age, exactly twenty nine years ago, the
weekend just gone, she vanished. She had been socializing in
Dublin and she missed the bus, and she had decided
to hitchhike all the way back down to rural county
kick Kenny. Now, the last interaction she had with anyone,

(01:34:35):
she had run a family friend from a telephone box
a coinbox at the time, and she was hitchhiking and
she said, don't worry, don't worry, someone's pulled in. I've
got a lift. She was never seen again. Now at
the weekend police put out an appeal and it was
all about her last movements and the fact that she
had a Sony Walkman, a white and green Sony Walkman

(01:34:57):
with her and it was from Mark the anniversary. Well
out of nowhere. They have now made an arrest. A
man in his fifties has been arrested on suspicion of
murder and it is an extraordinary development. This is a
case that Ireland has pretty much been obsessed with what
happened Jojo Dollard. He's in custody, a man is being questioned.

(01:35:18):
Let's see what happens. But God help her family twenty
nine years of not knowing what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
Jojo jeesz.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
Yeah, I'll tell you what and thank you very much, mate,
really appreciate this. Inando Brady, we'll talk to you in
a couple of days our UK correspondent do you know what? Okay,
do you know what. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna
deal with this right now. I regret what I said
about the French words. I went of half cocked because
this text closes it for me. What's my surname? Duplasy?
What is that French? How am I pronouncing it in French?

(01:35:47):
Aren't I? So I'm just a dick. So I'm just
going to own that now. As you know, there has
been moving right along. As you know, there's been a
lot of post post election analysis trying to figure out
why the pulse has got it so wrong with the
Donald Trump and they didn't see that he was coming
through in the way that he was. One of the
most interesting observations I reckon was from the Guardian over
the weekend. Now I haven't had a chance to talk
about it. It didn't have a chance, Yes that I've

(01:36:07):
got a little bit of a moment now to talk
about it. What the Guardian. This is the Guardian's editorial.
It was called lessons for the Left in wake of
damning defeat, and the lesson that they have taken for
the left is that you can't assume people will vote
for the left or the candidate from the left just
because they have boobs or brown skin. And they write
this black Latino, Native American and younger voters on whose

(01:36:30):
support has Democratic rival. The Vice President Kamala Harris at
Pinder Hopes also went for Trump in larger than anticipated numbers.
It's plain on this showing at least that membership of
racial and ethnic minorities can no longer be blithely assumed
to translate into support for a progressive left agenda. Welcome

(01:36:50):
to the idea that we don't all vote the same
because we're all brown or women. But isn't that interesting
that The Guardian's view, which is one of the most
I would say kind of I was a most prominent
left leaning newspapers in the world. The Guardian's view is
that it was assumed that you, if you belong to

(01:37:11):
a certain racial or ethnic minority, you would simply vote
for the progressive left wing agenda. But now you can't anymore.
Isn't that crazy? I mean, I'm glad they figured that
out in twenty twenty four, because geez, you know, imagine
if they'd held on to that for longer, but well,
welcome to the idea. Individuals seven away from seven getting
ready for a.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
New administration in the US, What will be the impact?

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
The cold Player's lame and even more overrated than you two.
It's for tasteless people who just listen to mainstream radio
hits lame. Dave, Thanks Dave. So there was an interesting
article today. I thought about why it's harder to make
friends as adults, which I mean, I think we've all
realized by now as a fact, right, Like if you
think about your friendship or all of your friends, like

(01:38:13):
most of us would would say most of my friends.
Most of my friends are friends who I made at
school or at university. I was lucky, or maybe in
your early twenties when you sort of start the workforce
and you're still going to the clubs, you know what
I mean. But after that, once you're in your late
twenties and thirties, not so much anymore anyway. The reason

(01:38:37):
for it this solves the conundrum apparently, is because we
don't have a third place in our lives. So we
have house that we live in, we have work that
we go to, but we don't have that third place anymore.
So if you were at school, your third place, I
guess esh would have been going to school, or maybe
going to soccer after school, or where you were still
in your early twenties, going to the club whatever. But

(01:38:58):
now you don't have those anymore. So as a result,
a whole bunch of people are setting up clubs, not
like club clubs likedoft doff clubs, but like you know,
like speed friendship dating clubs and stuff like that, book
clubs and stuff like that so you can go out
and make some more friends. So interesting, isn't that That
solves that riddle?

Speaker 28 (01:39:14):
And I will just say doft doff clubs are a
very good third space as well. I would definitely attest
to that car wash by Rose Royce to play us
out tonight, because we've just been talking mean things about
car washes all all day, and I feel like we
need to you know, maybe celebrate them and they don't
all try and eat your car. Surely plenty of them
work around the like, what we're wrong with this car wash?

(01:39:34):
The Peprilla one at Z station in Lyndwood. Yeah, I
have no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
It was the previous car washer, perfectly sensible experience for
the person in it, and then it was just the.

Speaker 28 (01:39:43):
Swing was the monster one. It'd be great if we
would come on and answer these questions, but.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Yeah, z Z because we are speaking English America, Okay,
just to kind of just keep with that thing going anyway,
so we get over the French that we're not going
to do that anymore. Most of my surname and I'm
gonna see tomorrow used to.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
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