Full Show Podcast: 13 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsweakers to get the real story. It's Ryan
Bridge on hither duplic Ellen drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
New Stall said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Good afternoon, seven after four, Great to have your company
this Friday afternoon. Toll roads are a coming, But how
long will the toll last? Sime and Brown live after five?
What's Brook van Velden ripping up? The holiday's act? Change
is going to mean for annual league? We'll ask that
question after five to two? Can we save the fun changes?
We've got MPs fighting over lunch in the UK. Barry

(00:34):
Soper on politics here and the sports huddle this afternoon,
Nicky Styris and Paul Allison. Ryan Bridge should come as
no surprise to absolutely anyone that driving on our roads
is about to get more expensive. Simmy and Brown, he
came out this afternoon. He's whacking tolls on three new
highways and expressways all Tucky to north of Levin. That

(00:54):
tot will be two dollars seventy for a car, and
any toll that you hear about double it for a
t truck, by the way, so it's about five point
forty for a truck. The Taketimu North Link. This is
totaling a two tapoona four lanes, two dollars ten off peak,
three ten for peak. PenLink in Auckland. That's two dollars
during peak and two dollars off peak and three dollars

(01:16):
peak again double it for trucks. And these prices they
announced today are going to increase with inflation. This does
not bother me one bit. In fact, I'm happy about this.
If we keep relying on governments to fund infrastructure off
their balance sheets with borrowing, we will keep getting the
same woeful results that we have thus far. Roads that
are shoddy and unsafe, roads that aren't big enough for

(01:39):
wide enough, and not enough roads being built to drive
the regional economic growth that this country so desperately needs.
The last government canceled a bunch of rons, the roads
of national significance, and put some of that money into
public transport. Now, hopefully, if a road has a toll
attached to it, it'll be much harder to justify them

(02:00):
doing that if and when they get back into office.
What we don't yet know from the government is whether
existing roads, yes, existing roads will be told because I
don't think it's fair to do that. The government has
changed the rules to allow tolding of existing roles roads
if a new corridor or extension is being added to it,

(02:20):
but it hasn't yet been very specific in today's announcement.
Does that mean the whole road or just the new bit.
They need to clarify this because it's hardly fair if
you have bought a house and you commute, and you've
done your sums on your commute and how you get
to work and how you get home on the basis
that it wasn't told and they turn around and whack

(02:40):
you with a charge, that's not fair. Apart from that,
on the whole I say, build the roads, will pay
for them, just get it done. Ry and Bridge staying
on the roads, mitor cyclists are reving mad with the
latest acc levy increase, shooting up eighty percent over the
next three years. It's been announced. Motorbikes currently set up
around two hundred and ninety seven dollars a year that

(03:02):
will soon jump to five hundred and thirty two dollars.
The Motorcycle Advocacy Group New Zealand have logged a lodged
a complaint I should say with the Human Rights Commission,
stating that the costs are unfair compared to that of
private motor vehicles like cars. Terry Leach, as a spokesperson
for the Advacy Group, is with us this afternoon. Terry,
good a, welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Good, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Right, you feel a bit hard done by here, and
I can see why when you look at the numbers.
I mean that's quite eyewatering. Do you think that's enough
to put people off riding motorbikes?

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Well, that's a sixty sort of a question. We already
have a situation where accb saw a motorcycle and as
have been quite high for quite some time, and on
talking decades in particular, they shot up to quite a
high bu Basically, we're back in twenty ten when Nick
Smith was the ACC Minister. But if you remember that

(03:57):
stage six thousand motorcyclist de said Wellington and what was
known as the beak or to register their anger. And
here we are, here we are again. It's just more
of the same.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
But there's a reason they're doing it, right, It's because
you guys have more accidents and costs them more money.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Well, it's not that we have more accidents, it's just
that when we do have an accident, we're more vulnerable.
But coming back to your original question, the way that
motorcyclists have been motorcycle owners have been reacting to these
high fees in the past, we will just now be amplified.

(04:38):
And it's it's it's a it's it's a bit of
a counterintuitive move on the governments. But what what happens
is is motorcyclists who got the opportunity of what they
call it, what's commonly known as red Joe on hold,
which means that if you're not using your motorcycle, or
if you basically want to save yourself some money, you

(05:01):
can put your registration on hold, on hold.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
So then we take them off the road. But can
we can Well technically yeah, okay, Terry, here's the problem.
Motorcycles account for less than one percent of vehicle kilometers
traveled on New Zealand roads, but twenty percent of serious
injuries from the crashes. I'm looking at the claims data.
You've got four more than four thousand claims last year

(05:25):
from motorcyclists, nineteen thousand for cars. There are thirty six
thousand motorcycles on the road and four million cars.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yep. Look this is a statistic rich that topic. And
let me just throw another one at you there. And
this is one reason why motorcyclists feel a little bit
hard done by the heavy goods vehicle will truck fleet
in New Zealand and talking vehicles. Trucks over three thousand

(05:55):
and five one hundred kgs. They travel for them six
percent of the nation's fleet's total mileage per year. Those
trucks are involved and not necessarily the cause of, but
involved in eighteen percent of all fatal accidents in New Zealand,
which is quite staggerd it's about I think it's about

(06:16):
eighty deaths per year.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
But we can't I guess we can't take trucks off
the road, though, can we? Because they not the mart.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Here's the nub. How much do you think you will
cost you a register or truck? We'll tell you the
most your pay is two hundred and sixty two dollars
in terms of acc fee.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
But how much? The question is not how many accidents
are they having, It's how many claims are they making
a truck driver is making after an accident. You know
that that's the relevant piece of information, isn't it? Because
because that's what ACC is looking at is how much
is it costing us and motorcyclists, as you say, they
are more vulnerable on the road, which means they get hurt,

(06:58):
which means it costs. ACC A SEC is a user
pays system and you're the user.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, well that's that's part and past of lot. I mean,
ever since ninety ninety two when Bill Birch basically converted
the ACC from a compensation scheme to a insurance based model. Yeah,
premiums will levys have been on a risk based assessment
and let's let's fine, but part of the ACC acts

(07:28):
is that levies have to be fair. Now Here, he's
the roughly one hundred and thirty five dollars to register
your your private motor car at the moment, that'll go
up to somewhere between one hundred and thirty eight one
hundred and sixty five dollars once all the other little

(07:50):
ansilary feasibly undent the entry years time.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
The increase is nowhere near the same as the motorbikes,
is what you're saying, correct, Yep. And so you're saying
that's not fair, that's not fair to you guys, that's
not fair.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Well, yeah, eight hundred and seventy dollars to register a
seven fifty c C motorcycle one hundred and forty odd
dollars to register a car. It's some disparity.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, certainly, it certainly has. Terry. I can understand why
you are upset. I guess the question for everyone listening
is do you think that's fair? Nine two ninety two
is the number to text? You've got a system that
user pays, It meant to be user pays. Terry, thank
you very much for coming on. That was Terry Leech,
by the way, who is the Motorcycle Advocacy Group New
Zealand spokesperson doing his bit for the men and women

(08:36):
that ride motorbikes in New Zealand. I just think and
lots of people are saying, well, who causes the accidents?
And that's another that's a whole other question and probably
not one that acc would get involved in answering. I
mean their primary concern is who's been injured and how
much does it cost me to cover that person? Not
who calls the crash. I mean that's probably more of

(08:57):
a societal question rather than one for ac See nine
nine two the number to text. We've got Jason Pine
coming up next with sport.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Who will take the White House results and analysis of
the US election on Heather duple c Alm Drive with
one New Zealand. Let's get connected, news Talk, said B.
Sport with a new tab app downloaded today are eighteen
bed responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
We're doing toll roads after five this evening with Simme
and Brown the Transport Minister. And we'll get to your
texts on motorbikes in just a second right now, Jason
Pine was Sport. Good afternoon, Jason, Hello, Ryan, I'm good
to have you on. Do you ride motorbikes so you know, no,
recreationally many years ago, but no, no, I stick to
the four wheels. Yeah, it's it's it's a difficult one

(09:44):
because a lot of people, I mean, it's obviously people
who are very passionate about doing it, but it is
more dangerous so I guess people have to pay their way.
But anyway, let's talk about sport because we've got obviously
weekend sport coming up midday to three tomorrow and Sunday
on News Talk, said B. What can we expect from
the third New Zealand and English England cricket Test starting
in Hamilton tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Well, I hope a lot better shown from the Black
Caps for starters. You know, they've been underwhelming by their
own admission in the first two Test matches, are losing
comfortably in christ Church and again in Wellington. So while
this is effectively a dead rubber in a three match series,
there is a lot of pride to play for. And
let's not forget it'll be Tim Southy's one hundred and
seventh and final Test match. I would imagine everybody inside

(10:27):
that changing room would want to send.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Him out on a high and look, while.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
The back end of his career has been a little
bit controversial in terms of his underperformance compared to his
career figures and the fact that maybe he shouldn't have
gone on this long, the fact is he'll remain, by
the numbers one of our great fast ballers. So I'd
love to see a fairy tale. They don't always happen
in sport, ryan as we know, or in general life,
but I'd love to see Tim Southy play a prominent
role in his last Test in a win over England.

(10:53):
But I guess we'll have to wait for the next
five days to play out to find out whether there's
a happily ever after here.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, because they've named something after him, haven't they. Is
it part of the picture.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:02):
One of the ends is the Tim Soudy end, so
so yeah, you'd have to think that that means he's playing.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Sure, I don't think it's just ceremonial.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
One of the ends of the cent and Park is
he'll coming from the Tim south the end, So yeah,
I get the feeling he'll be in the eleven.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
You can't have a Tim Southi end with no Tim Saudi.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
It's right, ken Aukland.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
You see make it seven from seven this weekend. It'll
be tough Melbourne City on Sunday night. This is probably
their biggest challenge of the season for a couple of reasons. One,
they have to go over to Melbourne to play them only,
as has been widely publicized, had to go to Australia
once in the first six games and that wasn't even
too an a way ground. That was in New Night
Round where all the teams went to Sydney over the
same weekend. Secondly, Melbourne City are a good side up

(11:43):
to fourth of They had a very comfortable win last
week and look, I think you know Auckland f C
have done everything they possibly could in the first six games.
I mean played six one six, considered just the one
goal late and last weekend's derby went over the Phoenix.
It'll be tough for them, but who knows. I mean,
you speak about fairy tales. This one has started very
well for Auckland FC, so I'm pretty sure they'll think

(12:04):
they can continue it on Sunday night at Amy Park
and Melbourne.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Brilliant Jason, thank you so much for that. Good to
have you on. Jason Pine Weekend Sport host midday till
three tomorrow and Sunday right here on News Talk semb
twenty one minutes after four. Now we'll get to some
of your text. Ryan. Guess what as someone says, Ryan
acc may have driven on hills or anywhere and seen
idiots riding motorcycles passing dangerously no safety, not considering other

(12:31):
road unions of this person, Georgie is really going to
bug you because she's basically saying maybe fewer motorcyclists would
be a good thing. They ride dangerously. She's the one
they're calling idiots. Ryan. Please can you ask sime In
about that? This is a question about the toll rods,
toll roads. I should say. I'll get to that in
a second. If ACC is a user pays system, then

(12:53):
why don't cyclists also pay a registration? They use the
roads and they get injured, just like motors side and
often more than not, just like motorcyclists. It's not their fault,
but they still get hit with high ac SA levies. Ryan,
it is bloody unfair. If you have two bikes, you
pay the ACCA levy twice. You can only ride one

(13:14):
bike at a time, So why not just pay one
ac SEA levy attached to your license as an individual
rather than to your bikes. That is from Paul Paul,
thank you for your text this morning nine two o
this afternoon nine two ninety two. It is twenty two
alfter four.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Hard questions, strong opinion, Ryan Bridge on Heather d for
see allan drive, Where's one New Zealand Let's get connected news.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Talk z B twenty five after four. Hope you're enjoying
your Friday afternoon. So Joe Biden obviously he pardoned his
son Hunter Biden today. He's done fifteen hundred others for
nonviolent drug crimes. He has said, basically, you're off I mean,
most of them are out of jail already. It's not
like he's opening the jail gates and releasing them onto
the streets. But there's now talk of a preemptive pardon

(13:59):
for certain individuals who are attached to politics, like one
Hillary Rodham Clinton, remember this, Yeah, and her husband, Bill Clinton,
is worried that she's going to get locked up if
Trump gets back and when Trump gets back into the
White House, so worried that there is talk that Biden

(14:23):
might issue a preemptive pardon for Hillary Clinton for crimes
which I don't even know what they are at this point,
No one really does. But Bill Clinton was asked about
this on the View, and this is what happened.

Speaker 6 (14:35):
President Biden wanted to talk to me about that. I
would talk to him about it, but I don't think
I should be giving public advice on the pardon power.
I think it's too.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
It's a very personal thing.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
So that's not a no, is it. It's not a no.
You shouldn't pardon my wife because it looked too much
like when you pardon your son. A bad look doesn't
work politically. But the problem with a preemptive pardon is
that it's it's a legally fraught thing to do. So
the lawyers reckon, if you pre pardon someone, are you
actually saying they're guilty of that crime? And so that's

(15:10):
why it hasn't been done before. And you only need
to pardon them once you think they have done made
in defense, rather than before they've even been charged or
found guilty. So it's quite uncharted waters, but let's wait
and see what happens with that one. Twenty seven after before,
Dan Mitchison has more on that.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Afternoons digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Ryan Bridge
on Heather duplessy Eland Drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected and us Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Good afternoon, New Zealand. It is twenty five minutes away
from five year on news Talk said be the Transport
Minister Simeon Brown with us live after five o'clock. Three
new toll roads have been named today and we have
numbers for you on that, plus one has been given
a reprieve. All the details after five with the Minister.
Right now, we're debating the issue of motorcyclists and the

(16:10):
acc fees. And I know this is a perennial issue,
but their fees have just jumped up. Over the next
three years, they're going to jump up eighty percent, and
they are well angry. As you can imagine. It's an
expensive thing to have a motorbike at the best of times,
and then you've got the fees going up eighty percent
over three years now accent. And you can see why
some of the stories we're getting about people who have
come off their bikes or no people have come off

(16:31):
their bikes like this one. Ryan, my friend was left paraplegic.
He's now received from ACC two modified cars, one sedan
with modified controls with wheelchair access. He's had his bathroom remodeled,
plus a new deck out the back of the house,
plus all of these things. These are the costs that
you incur when when you run a system like ACC. Right,

(16:55):
that is a fact. Now ACC has just given us
some numbers. They say that motor cycle owners currently pay
just twenty eight percent of the total cost of their
injuries from motorcycle accidents. The remaining seventy percent are actually
subsidized by other vehicle owners. I know it still doesn't
answer the question of who's responsible for causing the accidents,

(17:17):
but like I said, earlier. I don't think that's ACC's
business that side of the equation anyway. Nineteen ninety two
is the number to text. It has just gone twenty
four minutes away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's the world wires on newstalks, edby drive.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
US President Joe Biden is emptying out the jails almost
as quickly as the Syrians are. He's used as presidential
pardon to commute nearly fifteen hundred sentences, the most any
president has done in a single day in modern history,
although a lot of those were actually out of jail already.
A political scientist says this could just be the beginning.

Speaker 7 (17:53):
We're going to see it, perhaps with a couple of
controversial figures, controversial only in the center that there have
been requests to pardon them over many years, including Leonard Peltier,
a Native American rights individual, And there's no pressure on
Biden to pardon the forty some people convicted of federal

(18:13):
offenses who are on death row.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
South Korean president really is just marching to the beat
of his own drum, refusing to resign ahead of an
impeachment vote against him tomorrow. The president says this declaration
of martial law was a legal decision to prevent democracy
from collapsing in the country. A Korean opposition in p
says the president has changed his tune a few times
since the martial law declaration. This is like a third address.

Speaker 7 (18:37):
You know, first one is declaration marshal law, second is
his apology, and now it is to completely reverse what
he said.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
You know when the.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Apology finally this afternoon.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
You can't stop me, no matter who you are.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Jim Carrey has come clean about why he's returned for
the third So like the Hedgehog film, the actor said
two years ago that he was retiring and he wouldn't
return to acting unless he was presented with a script
written in gold ink by angels. Jim has now said
in a recent interview that he's changed his mind because
he needs the money.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Really International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Dan Mitchison is our US correspondent with US or something
and Dan, good afternoon, Hey Ryan. How can Jim Carrey
be poor? That makes no sense to me. He's started
in so many big movies.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
How can anybody think Jim Carrey's really that funny? I mean,
I can think back to maybe the days of in
Living Color, where he was amusing when he was on TV.
But he's just one of those people that I kind
of scratch my head and go, well, okay, I guess
it's sort of an acquiet teast.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I loved a svent sua. Let's go to Trump speaking
of funny. I mean a lot of people say he
is but he wants to shut down the Department of
edge Education and still gets times Person of the Year.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well he did.

Speaker 8 (19:56):
Yeah, that was announced today and this is the second
time that he receive that. Barack Obama has been named
twice before as well.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Out of last year.

Speaker 8 (20:05):
I mean to tell you how much we kind of
swung back and forth on his last year was Taylor
Swift who was named Person of the Year. But yeah,
he's pledged to abolish the Department of Education. On the
campaign trail, he pointed out that this is kind of
a symbol of federal overreach.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
And you can argue that maybe there is a little
too much.

Speaker 8 (20:23):
Government involved, but there are a lot of programs that
parents and kids rely on over here, Programs that helped
children with mild or severe disabilities that would be shut
down that would impact hundreds of thousands or more of family.
So what do these people do right now? So I
think there are a lot of people that are nervous
and they're concerned about this. But we've also got to
remember we got a president here who can only serve
one more term right now, so a lot of these

(20:45):
ideas of his may end up getting caught in political
backlasher or slowed down by Democrats.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Biden commuting more people's sentences fifteen hundred apparently the largest
single day pardon from any president in modern history, and
thirty nine people in the biggest single day act of clemency.
How's it going down? I mean, this is sort of
standard practice, really, isn't it after outgoing presidents?

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 8 (21:09):
I mean this is customary for a president to grant,
you know, this kind of mercy at the end of
his term.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
He's using the powers of the office to wipe away
the record.

Speaker 8 (21:16):
So it's customary also for the party that's not in
power to complain about what the president's doing.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
And Republicans are doing that right now.

Speaker 8 (21:23):
Some Democrats are These people range from thirty five I
think are thirty six years old as seventy five half for.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Men, half or women.

Speaker 8 (21:30):
And as you mentioned in the World Wires, they've a
lot of these people are out that they've been convicted
of nonviolent crimes, you know, drug offenses or fraud or theft, and.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
The White House has said they have turned their lives around.

Speaker 8 (21:41):
But I think you're right also that we're going to
have a lot more of these before he steps down
from office, and I would imagine the last forty eight
hours or so of his presidency there's going to be
a few controversial names that are going to be tossed about.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
What's going on with these shopping malls. Apparently gen Z
is coming back to the shop, well probably visiting the
shops for the first time in their lives.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Well, yeah, you know, if you.

Speaker 8 (22:01):
Grew up in the eighties or in the nineties, I mean,
malls were where you hung out after school and you
went shopping on the weekends, and you know, your parents
dragged you to get closed from back to school. And
then online came along, and then Amazon came along after that,
and these malls started to die.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
But something's happening, and it's kind.

Speaker 8 (22:17):
Of a head scratcher because gen Z's I mean, despite
growing up you know, with digital and not having a
lot of impersonal friends. They want to get out now.
They want to shop as their baby boom or grandparents did.
There's a new survey that just came out and they're
saying they're looking for more of a social connection. They
want instant gratification and moments of course to post on

(22:39):
social media. So I think this is good for them
because they're interacting with real people and not just online.
And I think it's great too for the malls too,
because a lot of these local businesses had a tough
time since the pandemic and were forced to close down
not only because of that, but because of skyrocketing rents.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Thanks so much for that dandemic. Just so now US
correspondent with US just gone eighteen minutes away from five,
Barry Sopa on politics. Next after five, we'll have the
Minister on the toll roads. And just a very quick
fact for you from today's announcement. If you drive a
truck and the motorcyclists will like this because they'll be
complaining earlier about the truckies. If you drive a truck
or a heavy vehicle, you have no choice but to

(23:19):
take the toll road. This is how they run it
in Australia. This is how they do it in Sydney.
The reason you build the toll road is to get
those big, heavy vehicles off the local roads and to
stop ripping them up and ruining them and causing delays.
So if you are driving a heavy vehicle, it will
cost you double what it does a car to use
these toll roads, and you have no choice. Simeon Brown

(23:40):
after five seventeen to two five Now.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
News talks thereb it is called to five. Barry Sopa
with us now, senior political correspondent. Very, good afternoon, Good
afternoon to you too. Right, the Prime minister's in a
reflective mood looking back at the year, giving his view
on the press gallery as well. What's he saying?

Speaker 6 (24:02):
Well, it's interesting, isn't it when you consider this will
be his final talkback. He was on with Kerry Woodham
this morning. It's the end of his first year, of
course as Prime minister. But the end of just four
years in politics, isn't it an extraordinary when you think
about it. Four years ago he was a newbie, a
new boy on the block. I remember taking his photo

(24:23):
in the first day he arrived at Parliament getting his
instructions on how the place worked. It's been a tough
year being the prime minister for him. There was no
baptism afar. Certainly there wasn't any honeymoon. He inherited an
economy which I think everybody would accept that it was

(24:45):
in a parlor state. He had a novel way, though,
I must say, of explaining the National Coalitions picking up
the cudgels of government.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Here he is, Are you hearing that.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
We should be any second now? I believe, Well, no,
I know we're not hearing from him. Oh dear, but
I could tell you it would have started with if
I can just tell you or if I can just
stay How did he bury on? And know how he
rated the press gallery? Well, what he said about.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
You know, the first year starting he said it was
like driving a car, finding it in a ditch, writing
it and then getting it back on the road. So
they just getting there now, Although he didn't say it.
His frustration with the press Gallery, which I think he'd
get a lot of sympathy with, was a parent When

(25:38):
he reflected on getting out and about as much as
he can, he said, you know, he clears off on
Tuesday gets how to talk to the public, which he
said is important. And he said that really most people
these days don't get their news through the media. They
get it essentially on social media, on the internet. They

(26:01):
you know, they can listen to news and delay and
he said, that's why it's very important for somebody in
his job to get out and to make contact, certainly
with the public on a personal level. And certainly he
has been out there doing that. But if you look
at his opinion poll ratings, Ryan, he would probably expect

(26:22):
to be a bit higher than where he is at
the moment. But it goes back to what I said initially.
It's the difficulty I think of, and I can't recall
a government taking over in such dire circumstances. There was
the key government that took over during at the start
of the financial crisis, but then they had that buffer

(26:43):
of the trade agreement with China that had just been signed.
But really there was no buffer for this government. And
you know, a lot of people said it was going
to be a coalition of chaos. There has been some chaos,
certainly in the last week with the very decision, but
you know they've lasted together a nice suspect they'll certainly

(27:05):
last together until the next election.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, they'll definitely got the distance. And you're right. It
was almost a poison chalice in a way getting the
Treasury benches because we've had two years of recession and
we've got a little bit more to go. Yeah, three
strikes about to become law again this past as well.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:22):
The part the Parliament passed its third reading today. It
was in the hands of the Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee.
She said that it essentially sends a strong message to
those who keep committing very serious crime and how it
will work is that offenders will be warned of the
consequences of reoffending at their first strike, they will not

(27:47):
be eligible for parole at their second strike, and their
third strike offenders will have to basically shoulder the maximum
penalty without any parole. Now, the new aspects of this
bill compared to the last is that there will be
a new area covering strangulation and suffocation offenses to those

(28:11):
above those that were covered in the last thing. That
takes the list to about forty two offenses, imposing a
lengthy non parole period for people who commit murders seventeen
years at the second strike and twenty years at the
third strike, which essentially is they are a serial killer
at that stage. But you know there'll be away for

(28:33):
at least twenty years, so we say bloody good job
for that too. But there will be very few that
would be in that situation. Will be some judicial discretion
Ryan that there was in the first legislation before it
was dumped by labor. And what it'll mean is you'll
it'll lead to about twelve thousand first strikers in the

(28:55):
first ten years compared to about an estimated eight thousand
before the changes. There will be another six hundred and
fifty more second strikers and eighty eight more third strikers
after the first ten years. So certainly people will be
going away for longer when they commit very serious crimes.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Very Soper, thank you very much for that. That'll be
music for the years of a lot of victims, I imagine,
very so for senior political correspondent with us live from
Wellington this afternoon. It is nine away from five, the
Minister coming up after five. I've also got news for
you next on the Media Digital Fair News Media bill
that the government was introducing We've got an update in
Auckland on that also the Brits and the politicians there

(29:40):
arguing over what to have for lunch. I know it
sounds fickle, but also quite entertaining.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 9 (29:49):
The Solicitor Generals reissued her controversial prosecution guidelines. These are
the ones that urged prosecutors to think carefully about prosecutions,
especially when a person is Marty and joining us now
is the Solicitor General ownergy go is do you accept
that you made a mistake with those guidelines.

Speaker 10 (30:03):
I wasn't clear what I meant when I referred to
the fact of Marty's disproportionate representation in the criminal justice system.

Speaker 11 (30:09):
If you didn't mean that prosecutors were supposed to look
at any of these groups of people, including Marty, and
go a little lighter on them because they're Marty or
any of these other groups, then what did you mean
You were unable to explain that to me.

Speaker 10 (30:19):
I'm absolutely clear that what you were saying is the
very reason that we had to change it.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Here the duplic on the my asking Breakfast back Monday
from six am with the Jaguar f base on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
News TALKSB just gone five to five. This is from
the media insider at The Herald, Shane Curry. It's a
Shane Curry special. He says he's found out today from
the government that the fair Digital News Bill, this is
the one that would force the Zuckerbergs of the world
to pay your stuffs and your Heralds of the world
for their news articles. That is officially on hold. We

(30:53):
have thought it's been on hold, but we now officially
know that it's on hold. The Australians are talking a
big game. We spoke about this yesterday. They are threatening
attacks on these guys and our government is now saying
we will wait and we will watch and we will
see and here's a prediction for you. This is going nowhere.
The government doesn't want to do anything about it because
it's one of those kind of two hard baskets. Is

(31:15):
there any votes in it? No, It's like when Willie
Jackson trying to re structure are in z TV and
Z costs three hundred million dollars. Everyone goes that, where's
that on my priority list? I don't care And here's
the interesting thing as well, people said when and I
worked for a news organization that shut its doors this year,
and people don't care, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (31:37):
No?

Speaker 3 (31:37):
And has democracy died?

Speaker 12 (31:40):
No?

Speaker 2 (31:41):
You know?

Speaker 3 (31:42):
I mean, I'm sure there is good work not being done,
there's no doubt about that. But has democracy died? Are
we all? Are we all a little more fragile now?
I don't know. I suppose that's up to you. Nine
two ninety two on the text it is Cisco and
four minutes away from five open the UK controversial planets,
the UK startup called real Ice and they're in the
Arctic right now and they are going to fix climate change.

(32:04):
How are they going to do that? They are drilling
down into the ice because you know, obviously the ice
is melting, the ice sheets are thinning out. They're drilling
down into the ice to get to the seawater, and
then they're pumping the seawater back up onto the top
of the ice so it freezes, freezing seawater thereby thickening
the layer of ice. Apparently, in the twenty thirties we're
going to have our first ice free summer and the

(32:26):
Arctic there will be no ice because it will be
too warm for the ice. So these guys are trying
to do something about it. Whether the science of whether
it actually works and how sustainable that ice will be
is apparently very much in contention. So good luck everybody.
Three minutes away from five news talks they'd be Simeon
Brown after the news, O hell.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
With the only drive show you can trust to ask
the questions, get the answers, find the facts and give
the analysis. Ryan Bridge on here the dupless Allen Drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
News talk as they'd be seven after five. If you
want new roads, you're going to pay for more road
tolls are on the way. The government's agreed to toll
three new roads following public consultation. These are Autaki to
north of Levin. They are Northlink this is between Totong
and Amoko and Pennlink which is north of Auckland. Transport
ministers also set out a new plan to make it

(33:52):
easier for more and more efficient for NDTA to set
up toll roads and accelerate investments. Simon Brown is with me,
good evening, Good evening, minister. Is this basically, can we
assume now that most major new roads in New Zealand,
including the rons, will be told.

Speaker 13 (34:09):
Yeah, that's exactly right. We've been very clear when it
comes to building a major new infrastructure that we expect
NZTA to be considering considering tolling to help pay for them.
It means that those who use those roads and who
benefit from it contribute towards the construction and the maintenance
costs of that infrastructure. But importantly it helps to bring
forward that investment when there's an opportunity to be able

(34:30):
to fund and finance that infrastructure over a long period
of time. So it's a user pays approach. It's what's
used around the world, but it also it's a tool
that can help the government bring forward the infrastructure investment.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
I think most people think it's not such a bad idea.
How long does the toll last.

Speaker 13 (34:46):
Well, it depends on the particular road. So for instance,
in some toll roads, the toll is for maintenance and
operations and for the actual cost of operating that road
over the lifetime of it. Others are tied to a
loan which might be paid to the NZTA to help
bring that construction forward, and then it will be over
the time that it takes to repay that loan.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
So let's talk about it like all Turkey to North Levin,
for example, that.

Speaker 13 (35:12):
One's for the maintenance and operations of that particular road.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
So they'll be paying two dollars seventy for the rest
of their lives, well well for the foreseeable and then
it's increased of the year with inflation.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Right.

Speaker 13 (35:24):
Yeah, And the reality is it costs money to maintain
and operate roads. We've seen over recent years when we
don't maintain our roads properly, what happens to the quality
of that infrastructure. And so there's a modern, reliable, safe roads.
They cost money to maintain and operate, and ultimately by
having users who benefit from that modern infrastructure, the travel
time savings, the safety benefits and reliability, that means we

(35:46):
can protect national land transport funds to look after those
rural state highways and those local roads as well, which
people pay their road user charges for.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Because I think most people when they think of it toll,
they would think like we did with the Auckland Harbor Bridge,
told than once it was paid for, the toll stopped. Actually,
what we're moving to now is a model where you
are paying a toll for maintenance of the road you
are driving on, and you will do that forever.

Speaker 13 (36:11):
As I said, it depends on the particular What we're
providing nz TA here is with a tool. They have
to put those proposals out to the communities.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
The prim if you can forward, if you give them
the lever to pull though, Minister, yes, then they're going
to pull it, aren't they. Otherwise their land transport fund
is getting raided for the maintenance costs.

Speaker 13 (36:31):
Well, ultimately yes, that's correct, but we're making it very clear.
The intent here is to help bring forward infrastructure. Is
about that capital cost are these roads that we're ultimately
at the same time for different projects, it will be
for the capital bring for that capital investment. Others will
be for capital and maintaining and operating them. But the
key message is we want to be able to deliver

(36:53):
this infrastructure. It costs a lot of money to build
these roads and we want to help bring forward that
infrastructure and we want to use it pays approach, just
like in the rest of the world where we see modern,
reliable infrastructure, paiful by the users of this infrastructure delivering
that benefit to the New Zealand economy, the.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Amountument two Hawks Bay Link, that expressway is getting a reprieve.
They're not going to be told. Despite being told that
they might be told and having protests about the toll,
they're not going to be told. Is that political decision?

Speaker 13 (37:20):
Well, ultimately, the advice we got from ZTA is they
wouldn't have been able to put to toll in until
well after the road was actually opened, so it didn't
make sense. We said that outside of ouric government's expectation
that all new roads should be considered a tolling.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
So because it was going to be delivered before.

Speaker 13 (37:38):
It was going to be opened prior to the it
was late consultation. And also the road would have been
opened prior to the ZT being to put tolling infrastructure
in place.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
It sounds a toll on it.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
That sounds like it was quite a political decision. It
sounds like one you didn't want, you didn't want to
fight on your hands.

Speaker 13 (37:56):
Cabinets made the call based on those reasons. We think
that's a sensible to that situation. But going forward, we've
been very clear this is our government's expectation to help
deliver new infrastructure, the modern, reliable infrastructure, that New Zealanders
need so we can reduce travel times increased productivity. Tolling
will be considered for all major new roads.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
That is some in Brown transportmans to thank you very
much for coming on the show. This afternoon at eleven
after five News Talk set.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
B Brian Brief.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
The government is going back to the drawing board on
reforming the Holidays Act. Following consultation on its initial plan.
It's found that it could actually make problems worse. The
legislation was meant to be changed two years ago, but
officials will now begin work on an hour's based a
cruel model for annual leave. Brook van Valden is the
Workplace Relations Minister. She's with me this evening, Brook, good evening,

(38:43):
Good evening, Ryan Minister. How can it be so hard
to calculate holiday pain annual leave?

Speaker 14 (38:51):
Well, that's a very very good question. But unfortunately our
law has been so complicated that nearly every business has
become non complain at some point, and even government departments
have gotten it wrong, which I find quite ironic. But look,
we went out for consultation on the five years of
work that the Labor government had done behind the scenes

(39:13):
and ask people, hey, do you think that this one
is good? Can we continue with it? And the overwhelming
response we got was no, it makes it even worse,
it's even more complicated. So I've made a decision that
I'm asking my officials let's make a law that simple.
I don't want one that just works. It's actually got
to be something that both workers in business can understand.

Speaker 7 (39:36):
So starting again, they.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Should be honest about it. Minister. I think a lot
of ministers might try and hide the fact they write
a law that an amendment that was not that good.
So okay, fair enough, you're going to tackle the problem.
What does this mean for those you know, I'm thinking
of Health New Zealand here, who have got these huge
bills on their books that they need. Does it affect
that at all?

Speaker 14 (39:58):
Well, look, it won't affect what's currently gone wrong. You know,
if people have been no non compliant with the current law,
that will still stand. But what I'm hoping to do
in the future has put a line in the sand
and say from this date onwards, this is the law
that you must follow, and let's make it as simple
and easy to understand for everybody. But that doesn't mean
to say that we're overriding the non compliance that's happened

(40:21):
in the past. It's just a real shame that businesses
have been suffering for so many years being unable to
follow a law and pay people.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Yeah, but nothing from the past will change going forward.
Then does that mean that we're going to keep making
mistakes until you change the law.

Speaker 14 (40:40):
Well, the current law will still apply.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
So what I'm hoping to say current law is we're
making mistakes in the current law, right, so we're probably
going to have more booboos before we get a fix.

Speaker 14 (40:51):
Well, anybody who's not sure what they should do with
the law, they can always go on to MB's website
and try and figure it out from there. But I
know it is very frustrating, which is why I'm trying
to work as quickly as possible to get something right.
What I don't want to do, though, is past a
law that would make it even worse for people. So
we're being very upfront that the law that was full

(41:14):
five years in the making is not fit for purpose.
I'm going to go and ask my officials to do
hours based a cruel model, so that means that anybody
will know how much and you'll leave they get paid
based on how many hours they work. Sounds simple enough.
There will be a lot of technicality, and I still
want to get that passed in the same timeframes that
the previous government and have in place.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
All right, so we'll have something by the end of
the term. Then from you, And on the minimum wage,
I know you're going to announce very shortly the twenty
twenty five minimum wage. It was you went up two
percent for the last time you did it, right to
twenty three dollars fifteen. Can we expect a similar increase
this time?

Speaker 15 (41:52):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (41:53):
Look, I can't let you know exactly what it's going
to be at the moment, but I'm hoping to have
a Christmas present for people and announce that before Christmas,
so you just have to wait a few more sleeps.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Inflation was two point two percent in the year two October.
Can we expect at least sort of people being compensated
for prices?

Speaker 12 (42:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (42:13):
Look, look what I would say there is inflation has
been falling.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
We know that.

Speaker 14 (42:19):
We know even last time that I set the minimum wage,
that the forecasts fell much faster than people expected. And
that's a good thing. But of course I'm not going
to let slip today what it will be, you just
have to wait just a little bit longer. But I'm
also really thinking of the businesses who have been doing
it extremely tough with rising costs, and we know that

(42:42):
they've really been struggling over the last winter. So at
the forefront of my mind is getting a balance right
so that we pay people correctly, but we're also not
putting too much cost onto businesses so that they have
to lay off staff or anything because the minimum wage
is going up.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Brooke van Valden, the workplace Relations minister. Brook, thank you
very much for coming on the show and coming up
after the break on news Talk said b we are
talking well, actually I'm going to talk to you about
Christmas because everyone right now at News Talk s dB
is at our work Christmas party, everyone except us. It's
just me and Andy and ants sitting around here and

(43:19):
a newsroom and pretty much empty newsroom. Everyone else is
off having a good time, but we're here to bring
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five news Talk, said b Controversial US commentator Candice Owens
has been granted a visa to work in New Zealand.

(44:27):
It comes as a u turn from the government, which
had earlier rejected her application that was immigrated in New
Zealand that did that. The minister has come in and
overruled that author and expert on the far right and
alt right extremism as Byron Clark. He's with me tonight
byring good evening to you think you're Kyoa. So obviously
she is coming here. Are you going to go watch you?

Speaker 15 (44:47):
I'm not going to go watch you.

Speaker 12 (44:48):
No.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Do you have any interest in knowing what how she thinks? Well?

Speaker 15 (44:56):
I do yes, because obviously, as you mentioned, I've been
studying the fi right, and while I've mostly focused on
people in this country, I'm aware of American influences like Owen,
so I have some familiarity with the sort of ideas
that she's promoting. But I wouldn't want to go to
one of her speaking events to the buyer buying a
ticket and allowing her to drive income from spreading these

(45:18):
ideas in this country.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
What exactly has she said that you think is exceptional?

Speaker 15 (45:25):
Well, she's made a number of comments on various issues.
She's promoted conspiracy theories around COVID nineteen and around members
of the LGBT community, such as alleging that a mass
shooter in the US was a transgender when it was
not a transgender person who carried that out. Probably the
most egregious they were some of the comments that she's
made around Jewish people and the Holocaust, such as suggesting

(45:48):
that the Holocaust was an ethnic cleansing that almost happened.
Wasn't an ethnic cleansing that almost happened. It was an
ethic clinting that did happen and resulted in the mass
murder of sex million Jewish people and millions of others.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
But and I'm not defending her, but did she you
know when she said almost happened, as in, it wasn't
completely successful, It didn't achieve all the objectives it wanted to.
What I'm saying is is there enough rigal room? Are
these issues so fraught and controversial? And then argued back
and forth on Twitter a thousand times to the point

(46:23):
where they become they have no resemblance to what was
originally intended. Is it one of those instances or do
you think this is genuinely, you know, inciting hatred stuff.

Speaker 15 (46:37):
I think it's genuinely Holocaust denial if you look at
the laws around holocost denile in Germany and in other
European countries that experienced occupation during the Second World War.
This would meet the criteria for Holocaust denial. It's also
notable that she was a conservative commentator with the American
publication The Daily Wire, but after these comments another comments

(47:00):
she's made about Jewish people, she departed from that, and
the co founder of the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, who
is you know, certainly no liberal or leftist, but is
himself Jewish, called these these comments of referhensible. So I
don't think it's really that controversial to say that. I
think she has said amount to anti Semitism and Holocaust demil.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
It's interesting you bring up Germany because in Germany it's
also illegal to say from the river to the sea.
On that basis, Chloe Swabur could be in trouble.

Speaker 15 (47:32):
M yes, And I mean you can debate whether that
should be the case or whether it shouldn't. I think
that's perhaps a little different from the Holocaust denial laws
they have there, being that this is the country that
has that legacy of the Holocaust.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah. I think that's why they have the river to
the sea law as well. It's it's obviously quite a
related issue, is related yeah, yeah, by an interesting one.
Obviously's obviously whether we like it or not, She's coming
and people will, I guess make up their own minds
about whether they go. But great to have you on
the show for your perspective tonight, Barron. Thank you, Thank you.
Byron Clark, author and expert on the far right and

(48:08):
alt right extremism. Twenty four after five News Talk SAIB.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
The day's newsmakers talk to Ryan First, Ryan Bridge on
Heather Duper c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected news talk as the'd be.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
It is twenty seven after five, and it's a Christmas
party season right now on a Friday evening, and this
is a PSA to everybody go home early if you're
feeling boost That's my philosophy. It always has been, get in,
get the freeze stuff, get out two hours max. Yes,
there are people you work with who you like, but
there are also people you work with that you don't like.

(48:45):
And if there aren't people you don't like, there'll be
people outside of work that you would rather spend your
time with, so go and spend it with them. So
if you're in a taxi right now, you're a few
bears deep. Maybe off to whatever bar your boss has
decided is cheap enough to put a few on this
year fun don't stay long. They won't be In the UK.
Interestingly enough, they've tightened the laws there. You have to

(49:06):
take reasonable steps now to ensure that there's no sexual harassment.
How on earth do you do that? Does that mean
no dancing in case bodies get too close to one another?
Obviously it's a laudable thing to be doing, but these
laws do seem a little bit piecemeal. What they actually
do is put a chilling effect on parties period. Employers
go risk free with no booze, or in the case

(49:27):
of our workplace, which is where everyone is right now,
it's a two hour of fair in and out go
one of the good old days. But if your workplace
is still partying like it's nineteen ninety three, just picture
Monday morning before making any wild decisions tonight. That should
sober you up pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
I would have thought.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Twenty eight after five Ryan Bridge coming up after the
news at five point thirty, lots to talk about. Actually
there is. Don't put your washing your laundry on your
patio if you live in an apartment building, we'll do that.
Goats did they kill? And this year's hunting competition around
New Zealand, I'll tell you the number. Also, what are

(50:07):
they fighting over in the British Parliament. It's not the
cost of living, but it's got a lot to do
with food. I'll tell you more about that too.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
The name you trust to get the answers you need
Ryan bridge On, Heather dou Percy Ellen Dry with one
New Zealand. Let's get connected and news Talk Zied be.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Good evening New Zealand US twenty four away from Sex
News Talk zib. On the twelve day of Christmas, we
get thirteen thousand dead goats. The governments put out a
press rely celebrating the fact that we have a record
wild goat hunting competition, removing twelve nine and thirty five
goats from the wild, which is a good thing because
they're bad for farmland, they're bad for our native species,

(51:12):
bad for a whole bunch of reasons. It's the second
time that a national competition has been held and the
number of goats killed up twenty two percent on last year,
which is pretty good. So thirteen thousand goats killed altogether.
My question is why does everybody get so up and
out And this is a genuine question. Okay, I'm not
asking this for any other reason than I'm just interested

(51:33):
in your response. But why does everyone get so upset
and up in arms about feral cats being killed in
competitions but not goats? Is it because there is a
difference in the level of intelligence between these two animals?
Or is it because one is domesticated so we have
more of an affinity with it?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Like?

Speaker 2 (51:53):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Do we value one more than the other? Is one
smarter than the other?

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Is that?

Speaker 5 (51:57):
Why?

Speaker 3 (51:59):
What is the Isn't it kind of the same with
the greyhounds issue and the horses? This week we canceled
the greyhounds, we keep the horse racing. Now, I'm agnostic
on the whole thing, but aren't you either an animal
rights person or not? Like you're either kill no animal
for any reason or you're not. And when you can't

(52:19):
sort of be half pregnant on these issues, can you?
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Speaker 2 (53:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (53:33):
Yeah, yeah. I had a hip replacement about nine weeks ago,
so I have taken up cycling around Auckland, which probably
means I'll be in from another hi placement soon when
I get knocked off. But yeah, it was lovely to
see you Ryan.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Yeah, No, you're looking great. You're looking great. Good to
see you keeping fighting for two and then year spiking.
Cycling is sport technically.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
How many read?

Speaker 4 (53:52):
How many red cones did you have to dodge?

Speaker 18 (53:53):
Nicky?

Speaker 17 (53:55):
What my husband's ones?

Speaker 3 (53:58):
He's in traffic management, hey, Tim Southy. So we're not
quite certain yet whether Paul whether he's going to be
in the lineup for tomorrow's Test. But do you think
if he is there, is it because he deserves to
be there or because it's sentimental.

Speaker 19 (54:12):
Look, I don't really care which option it is. To
be fair, I think i'd like to see him there because,
let's face it, he hasn't been in sparkling form with
the ball and recent Test matches, but he's been a
fantastic servant. The black Caps have got nothing on this
riding on this Test match at all, the bloss the series.
They're out of the World Test Championship calculations. And he's

(54:34):
a man who's been around for sixteen years in that
international team. He's had more Test wins than anybody else
and he's been a real servant on his home ground.
I think he deserves it farewell at this particular occasion,
and I'm quite happy for him to be there, whether
he gets there on his merit or whether it's sentimental pick,
I don't mind, Niki.

Speaker 17 (54:54):
Yeah, I'd probably have to reiterate what Paul said. Really, look,
I thought about this hard, and I thought back in
the day when Scott was playing. If he was having
his last hurrah and it was a chance to plow
on set in part which was his time ground, I
would sit there and absolutely, on a personal level, I
would love to see him play. So if you if
you sit there on merit, I think you've got to
say to yourself, well, he is one of New Zealand's

(55:14):
top three bowlers ever, so yes, he deserves to have
a good scent off. And the other question is who
would actually replace him right now? Is there somebody that's
standing out that is being aggrieved by this process? And
I would say no. I think Nathan Smith's. You know,
he's he's starting to show promise, but it's not like
you go, he's a mass play Jacob Duffy, not necessarily,

(55:37):
So I'm with you. I think it's it would be
a great opportunity to fear well one of New Zealand's
great bowlers. And I know Tim well and I know
that he will be, you know, be going out there
to you know, put on a show for the people
of New Zealand and people of Hamilton and end his
career on a high.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Also, it doesn't it doesn't really matter, does it, because
we've already lost that's.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Well, that's what.

Speaker 13 (56:00):
Sip.

Speaker 17 (56:00):
But it doesn't mature.

Speaker 19 (56:02):
This guy set more records than the Beatles in the sixties, really,
because you know, he's just he's just turned he just
turned thirty six two days ago, so he's had a
birthday present a couple of days ago. And he's somebody that,
in my opinion, really deserves that sort of send off.
And so I'm really comfortable with that, and I think,
wouldn't it be great, wouldn't it.

Speaker 15 (56:21):
Just be great?

Speaker 19 (56:21):
Just imagine this if he goes out, knocks over Joe
root in comes, how he brock knocks him over. Ben
Stok goes out, he gets a hat trick right away
from the sand off. I mean, I know it's probably
pigs flying past the window at the moment, but you know,
sillier things have happened in sport.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Yeah, well it sounds like, we've got two big ticks
of approval from you too, So that's something Paul should
Will Young open instead of Devin Comay, do.

Speaker 19 (56:42):
You think, well, Devin Conways, I understand, is not available.
So Will Young is the obvious choice. He was in
great form in India, but it's a bit different at home.
He's been around for a while now, he's been He's
he thirty two years of age, had nineteen tests, only
an average of thirty. But with what we saw that
he showed in those three test matches where he averaged
about forty eight runs, I think he is the obvious

(57:04):
choice to take over from Devin Conway test starting tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
He's out for dead duty, I think, isn't he is
the papaw again. Let's go to NRL Nikki the Papua
New Guinea thing. Is this going to be a Port
Moresby team? Is it going to be a lasting success?
Can something like that be a lasting success? Do you think?
Or is this more of just a political you know,
a regional security play.

Speaker 17 (57:27):
Oh look, it's it's both those things. Let's face it.
When you know Papua New Guinea is very strategically placed
in the world, and so there is a definite reason
why the Australian government is pumping six hundred million dollars
into securing them as their you know, major security partner.
But it's also particularly good for rugby league there and
it will open up, you know, a lot of a

(57:48):
lot of doors there for business, trade, sport. I think
it will last so long as the Government of Australia
sorry Paper Guinea government doesn't decide to suddenly sign some
sort of impact with China, because one thing I did
notice is that the Australian government can pull out at
any time if they wish, so, you know, it's it's

(58:11):
definitely strategic. But I think I listened to Cam George
talking about, you know, whether the New Zealand should be
disappointed that they weren't in the running, and I would
say no, because we don't have that sort of financial backend,
We don't have the grassroots, Our player pool would be
stretched something terrible. So I think it's just I actually
think it's a bit of a win win for NRL

(58:33):
and probably Australia.

Speaker 19 (58:36):
Well what do you think, Yeah, it's about money to
some degree. I mean six hundred million dollars is a
lot of money for the Australian government to pump that
into PMNG, which is going to be one hundred and
fifty of that and the rest of it I understand
as being spread across the Pacific to help develop some
of those nations, Tongue at some and FIGI. But it's
really interesting that the players who are going to play

(58:56):
for this NRL side based at Moresby, they're going to
be granted tax and centers to relocate from New Zealand
and Australia and they're going to be housed in government
funded secure compound and Port Moresby. So it's not going
to be a PNG based team in terms of where
they have come from. Necessarily, it's going to be you know,
picking up the players, the ones that either can't get

(59:18):
contracts or are incentivized by the money that's going to
be on offer to go to p ANDNG to get
them up and running. So it'll be interesting to see
how it goes. It's a ten year deal and as
Nicki quite rightly said, the Australian government can pull out
at any stage, but you would imagine something would have
to probably go terribly lot wrong or they just don't
get the crowd support for that for that to occur.
So I think they're there. They're going to be the
eighteenth team. Be interesting to see who turns up as

(59:40):
team number nineteen. Probably Perth in Kenna, South Island get
team number twenty somewhere in the next few years.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Big story this week the fief of World Cup going
to Saudi Arabia. I want to get your takes on that. Next.
Nicky Star as sports journalist and Paul Allison News Talks,
they'd be Rugby commentator on the sports Huddle. Your Friday night.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
I'm Ryan Bridget's twelve to six. Nikki Star a sports
journalist and Paul Ellison News Talks. They'd be Rugby commentated
with me tonight, let's talk fever. I can't understand, Nikki,
what this story is about. Why there are such a
big fuss being made about it. This is the FIFA
World Cup going to Saudi Arabia. I mean, why are
the people in New Dalen complaining about this. We've just
signed a free trade deal with the golf states, including Saudia.

(01:00:25):
Arabia for goodness sakes, I mean, what's the big deal here?

Speaker 17 (01:00:29):
Look, Ran, I think that people like to make a
noise about the fact that there is they have a
poor human rights record, and rightly so they do. But
the problem is that, like the NRAL discussion, we've just
had money talks and you've only got to sit there
and look at what sports of Saudi Arabia currently is

(01:00:49):
pretty much taking over. They've got football, they've got live golf,
they've got cricket leagues. India's growing their ties with Saudi
Arabia all the time. They have major horse racing, they've
got the Formula one Saudi GP, they've got boxing, they
had the WTA finals in the tennis. They are a huge,
huge force when it comes to a sports investor. So

(01:01:11):
I think that people like to do the right thing
and say they're not necessarily the moral country that we
would like to host these events. But it really doesn't last.
The chat doesn't last because the money takes over.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Sadly, Paul, you agree with that money talks.

Speaker 19 (01:01:27):
How many talks? And I think Nikki summed it up
really well in terms of what we've seen in recent
times with Formula one in boxing and golf and horse
racing and the like, which has been a sort of
recent trend where they've been able to host sports at
an international level, some of them the richest sports in
the world, and they've done it pretty well. I was
in Katar when the FIFA World Cup qualifying matches were

(01:01:48):
on and they built seven stadiums over there out of
the eight that they hosted them, and they had air
conditioning inside and the temperature was controlled under each seat.
You're getting the air pumped out under your seat, controlled
it to sixteen degrees outside it was forty one degrees.
These guys in Saudi Arabia they're going to build, so
we're going to have fifteen stadiums. Three of them are
in construction now yet to start. We can't even get

(01:02:10):
a hospital underneed, and I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
It a go.

Speaker 19 (01:02:12):
We count build one stadium, that's right, And so you
start looking at that and it's all about money. But
when they spend the money, they.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Do it really well.

Speaker 19 (01:02:21):
And we didn't hear too many complaints after the twenty
twenty two fief for World Cup after Katar hosted that,
and I think Nikki absolutely summed it up beautifully in
terms of it is about human rights and that's where
the concerns are coming. But these guys got voted in
unopposed for twenty thirty four and you can't really Maybe
it will happened a bit quickly behind closed doors, but

(01:02:41):
it's happened. Let's get on, let's make the most of it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
And also you ask yourself the counterfactual, if we didn't
go take the fief of World Cup, there would any
of those human rights abuses change? No, you know, and
at least by having at least by going there, you
might open some eyes to a different perspective on the world.
I don't know, but certainly if you don't go then
nothing changes too. So there's that argument as well. Nine

(01:03:05):
away from six now on news Talk MB and we've
got our Friday sports huddle with us. Should James o'connoby
starting at number actually he is starting at number ten?
Is that what we've just found out? He is going
to be starting at number ten?

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
NICKI, I've got a real problem with this.

Speaker 17 (01:03:21):
Look, I guess you've got I guess you've got to
ask yourself about super rugby that what is the reason
for super rugby? Is it about winning it? Or is
it about developing the next you know, developing the next
World Cup winning All Black side, and that to me
sort of says it all. I don't think James O'Connor
should be starting at number ten because the South Super
Rugby is essentially a feeder tournament for New Zealand All

(01:03:45):
Blacks at the moment. It's a development comp and we
cannot go and play over there because if we do,
we are not eligible for the All Blacks. My problem
is this, Well, one of them, Ardie Savia, he has
just said that he will be going or has been
granted a permission to play for more on the Pacifica
in the Super Rugby competition. So why is it that

(01:04:07):
he's allowed to go and do it. And yet if
any of the other Super Rugby All Blacks go overseas
to these Super Rugby competitions in Australia, they're suddenly not eligible.
Maybe paulk And shed some light on that. Pablo Materra
came down here played for the Crusaders. Basically, what you
are doing is you are stopping a young person in
this country developing to the point where they will be

(01:04:31):
the next Dan Carter. In the case of James O'Connor.
We're trying to win a World Cup in three or
four years time. We need those players here developed, not
sitting on the sidelines while study four year olds come
down and take their spots.

Speaker 19 (01:04:47):
Yeah, it's an interesting one, nicky, isn't it. I mean
you look at the players that have gone from New
Zealand across to Australia and have played in the Super
Rugby competition. Players likes I guess Jeremy Thrush and Tarmody
Ellison and Jeffrey Turmunger Allen and now Aiden Ross is
heading across the They've done that and they haven't really
been in contention for all Black consideration. They've been pasted,
their best, have had their time, or in Aiden Ross's case,

(01:05:07):
it looks like he just hasn't been out. He's been
surpassed by some other players. I guess the Crusaders they've
always had a rock star at number ten, from Andrew
Mertens to Daniel Cardy to the Richie Muhanga. They've lost
a couple of players in recent times, with Brett Cammeron
moving north and Fergus Burke moving overseas. They've got ta
Kemera and Revere's Rayhanna, both young guys in the MAX

(01:05:28):
and I would expect them to get quite a bit
of game time. I'm not sure whether it's a done
deal that James O'Connor will start this year for the Crusaders.
He might have a couple of matches, but I think
he's there as a bit of a backstop and to
provide some experience. I hear the concerns that Nicki shed
and I don't disagree with those, But each of these
New Zealand teams in the Super Rugby are allowed to
have two overseas players who you bring in, where you

(01:05:48):
bring them from, and what positions they play. And I
guess it's over to the individual teams and the clubs
themselves to decide on that and where their gaps might
best be filled. So in a way, the market forces
can determine that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
And absolutely, Paul, thank you for that great analysis. Paul Allison,
News Talks ZIB Rugby commentator Nicki starrus sports journalist. You're
on news Talk SHIB. It is six to six.

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Three to six on News Talk ZIB. Things We've learned
on Drive this afternoon. Toll roads, according to Simeon Brown,
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which means we could end up paying them forever. And
the minimum wage is going to go up next year.
Brook van Velden confirmed to the show she wouldn't say
by how much coming up next Key We Savor changes.

(01:06:43):
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Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
What's up, what's down, what were the major calls and
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Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
No matter where you are tonight, it's great to have
you on News Talks B. The government is making changes
to try and get more capital flowing around the economy.
Commerce and Consumer Fairs Minister Andrew Bailey he's come out
and he's going to make it easier for key We
Saver funds to invest in unlisted companies and assets. He's
also going to try and remove some of the hurdles,
some of the barriers that the listed companies on the

(01:07:29):
INSIDEX face like climate change rules, et cetera. Kirk Hope,
the CEO of the Financial Services Council, he's with me tonight,
Kirk gooday today here you do good, thank you. Let's
talk with the keep we saver funds. First, Why can't
key we saver funds invest in unlisted companies? Now, what's
the logic for that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
So they can?

Speaker 18 (01:07:48):
It's just very difficult because there's some liquidity rules that
are that are in place, and so what does that
actually mean. It's because ken we savers can withdraw funds
out of out of the keV saver fund after after
they have retirement age. So that's that's something they can do.

Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
Now.

Speaker 18 (01:08:06):
It just means that there are some rules in place,
which means that that that if they weren't in place.

Speaker 6 (01:08:15):
You know, make it easier.

Speaker 18 (01:08:16):
It makes it easier for those key savers, were harder
for those KEB savers to withdraw. So if you've got
an what's called an a liquid asset, you know, if
you're talking about an infrastructure fund that you might have
a long long life that would be seen as an
an I liquid asset. You know, that means the fund
can't liquidate it and pay it out or pay a
portion of that out. So there's there's some things that

(01:08:37):
Minister Bailey's done here to make it easier for for
keV saver fund managers to invest in some of these
less liquid assets.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
How do you do that then if you need your
money out?

Speaker 18 (01:08:48):
Well, there's there's a couple of things that they're looking at,
for example, extending or asking key savers for example, if
they want to invest in those types of assets, if
they want their funds to be invested in those types
of sets, and then having a longer notice period. For example,
the current notice periods ten days, and so you know
that might be that might stretch out to thirty days

(01:09:09):
or something, but they're going to consult on it and
come back to the market.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
So you would basically forego some flexibility around withdrawal in
order to be able to invest in these more liquid assets.

Speaker 18 (01:09:22):
Yeah as an investor.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
As an investor, yeah cool. Interesting, So that's one side
of the equation. Is it, by the way, something you
think that the key saver funds will actually want to
do as well?

Speaker 18 (01:09:33):
There's some that have managed to work through some of
the some of the more difficult issues with that liquidity
management process. So for example, I think simplicity here and
have have some housing investments, so you know, typically this
is just to make it easier for more more key
we saver funds to invest in those longer term assets.

(01:09:56):
So yeah, I think it will make a difference most certainly.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
What types of projects, tunnels, rails, stuff like that.

Speaker 18 (01:10:04):
Yeah, anything where there's an income that can be extracted
out of the asset if you like, over a long
period of time. It would be it would be would
be roads, tunnels, housing potentially or larger housing estates and
stuff like that, build to rent housing for example.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Let's talk about the changes on the other side of
the equation here. This is to do with companies that
don't aren't listing on the z X. They're kind of
maybe on the threshold and they just think they're actually
too hard basket. There are some hurdles, there are some
compliance costs from being on the z X, and the
minister is going to take a look at those. What
do you make of his moves in that space?

Speaker 18 (01:10:40):
Yeah, I think it's it's actually really really good move
if you look so that one of the key things
that that the government's doing and the Minister is doing
it making what's called prospective financial information voluntari So when
you list, you've got to go through a process of
providing and publishing forward looking prospective financial information about about
about the company for investors. So the costs are pretty expensive.

(01:11:05):
They can be from five to fifteen percent of the
total IPO costs, So that is quite a significant barrier
if you're you know, if you're relative living, modest sized firm,
but you really need to get capital in. The information
is not necessarily helping investors. That was the feedback from
the investor community. So so what the government doing is
look at looking at making that voluntary and then that'll

(01:11:30):
enable that will remove some of those costs out of
the IPO process.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
One of those areas is climate disclosures. You have to
disclose what your impact on the climate is. Does do
other countries do that? Does Australia make you do that?

Speaker 18 (01:11:44):
Yeah? They do actually, so we already have climate related
disclosure requirements, but they occur a very low threshold. So
if you're a sixty million dollar market cap company you
would have to be disclosing. What the Government and the
Minute Through proposing to do is raise that to a
five hundred and fifty million dollar cap for market capitalization.

(01:12:08):
And then there are some other things which I will
also think will help. At the moment, there is some
significant direct to liability for some of the if you
make a few breach some of the climate related disclosure
requirements if you're a director, so there's personal liability for
some of those breaches. There will still be liability for directors,

(01:12:29):
for example, for things we have acted deliberately or recklessly.
But one of the things that certainly we've been seeing
is that the costs to get that climate related disclosure
stuff right is very very expensive for companies and so
so this is a positive change, and that they're also
doing some stuff around increasing the thresholds for funds as well,

(01:12:50):
up to five billion from one billion. So overall that
aligns US with Australia and that that is a positive
thing as well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Kirk thank you very much for that. Kirkhart Financial Services
Counts CEO on changes that the Minister Andrew Bailey is
making and looking at making both to Kei we Saver
but also to hurdles that's stopping businesses from getting on
the inns X. It's thirteen after six on News Talk
zib Barry Soaper looks back on the week in politics.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Next analysis from the experts, bringing you everything you need
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Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
News TALKSB. It is sixteen after six Now, Well, what
a week in politics and welcome back to Barry Soaper,
who is wrapping the week for us from the beehive.
Let's start with the fiery debacle. Barry, what a what
a way for the government to limp into the end
of the year.

Speaker 6 (01:13:46):
Well, you could say they've been derailed, haven't they? Right
at the end of the year. The timing couldn't have
been worse for them, although in some ways it couldn't
be better either, because everyone will go off in the
holidays now and likely forget, although holidays are very much
part of the ferry service, so it'll be in some
people's minds anyway. But Winston Peters essentially has got until

(01:14:09):
next March to come up with a better deal than
what the government was planning. And the government really had
arrived at the end point. I suspect that they were
going to make the announcement this week as a fatal
com plea. Winston Peter's pulled the plug, said, I want
to be Minister of Railways. I've been in this job before.

(01:14:31):
I can do it, and in fact I can do
it better than you. I can get a better deal.
Let's it set up a company and they'll do They'll
procure the fairies through that company. Well that's the idea anyway, Ryan.
But we'll find out next March whether Winston's negotiating skills
are better than those of Nikola Willis and other governments.

(01:14:55):
So really it's a bit of a standoff, and you've
got a real standoff between David Seymour on the one
hand and Winston Peters on the other Seamour's talking about privatization,
flogging off forty nine percent of the rail network to
independent investors, whereas Winston doesn't want a bar of it.

(01:15:16):
The other thing Winston is apparently seems to be insisting
on is having a roll on, roll off train service
through the ferries as well, to make it a seamless
bottom of the South Island to the top of the
North rail network. So we'll see what happens when it
comes out in the wash. But I'll tell you what,
there's been a lot of dirty linen aired in thiswash.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Certainly has been. And I noticed that they're shifting slightly
shifting the goalposts as well by talking about four billion
dollars rather than three billion. But anyway, that's besides the point.

Speaker 6 (01:15:48):
They figure sort of was plucked out, wasn't it right?

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
It was four billion?

Speaker 10 (01:15:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Yeah. Hey. Someone who is getting or an organization that
is going to be getting an injection of cash from
the private sector is Kiwi Bank. The four big banks
have been given a big telling off by Nichola Willis
this week. You know, the competition and Kiwibank's getting a
five hundred million dollar cash injection from the private sector.
In my mind, this is going to change nothing in
the long term. What do you reckon?

Speaker 6 (01:16:13):
Well, if you listen to those that made the announcement,
namely Nikola Willison go they say that it's going to
make Kiwi Bank much more competitive, not just in the
business market, but in the mortgage market as well. So
they believe that this half billion dollar injection will in

(01:16:33):
fact make Kiwi Bank a very different bank. Now, the
Kiwi Bank's parent company, Kiwi Group, capital and the Treasury.
They have been directed to talk to places like the
New Zealand Kiwi saver funds, the New Zealand investment institutions
and investor groups about coming up with the money. So

(01:16:55):
they've still got a long way to go. Even though
the idea that we Bank will be capitalized, the capital
is not in the bank so to speak at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Greyhound's racing getting the chopped by Winston. Big week for
Winston Peters this week, but they do have twenty months
to phase themselves out, Yes they do.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
And I know you'll be housing one because you like dogs, Ryan,
that almost three thousand dogs will have to be rehoused.
The past legislation this week under urgency to stop greyhound
owners from slaughtering the racers. So whether that'll stop basically
greyhound's being put to death is another matter. But Winston Peters,

(01:17:41):
he says the public appetite for dog racing has fallen
away dramatically and he believes the sport is cruel.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
But then when you look at horse racing, for.

Speaker 6 (01:17:53):
Example, Ryan, there are more injuries and deaths in horse
racing than there are in gray greyhound racing, So you
can imagine why the greyhound racing organizations are very upset
about that. Greyhounds have been racing in New Zealand starting
my home province of Southland away back in eighteen seventy six,

(01:18:16):
so it's a very long standing way of gambling in
this country. But we're only one of five countries in
the world now that has greyhound racing, so it seems
that we're following an international trend.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Had a couple of holes out this week. We had
one News and we had the Carrier Pole, both of
them showing a bump for t Party Maori but also
for the ACT Party, particularly at Carrier Pole for the
ACT Party, big jump from them stealing votes from national
over the Treaty bill.

Speaker 6 (01:18:46):
Yeah, it's incredible, isn't it When you think Nationals down
four point six percent to this is in the Carrier
Pole to thirty four, Labors down four point six percent,
the same to twenty six point nine and who comes
through the middle. Act Now this is a real campaign
by ACT and not just the Treaty settlements but other

(01:19:09):
issues like the rail. They're making a lot of play
on that. So they seem to certainly on the Treaty
settlement thing be becoming popular with National Party voters. They're
up four and a half percent, thirteen percent. That'll give them,
if there was an election held today, which of course
there won't be, give them seventeen seats in Parliament. And ironically,

(01:19:30):
that's exactly the same number that Winston Peters had when
MMP first came into being in ninety six.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
I did May Herald column about that this week because
if I mean on those numbers, and yeah, they're just
one pole from one poster in one month, but on
those numbers, that's National and Act Together alone, you know,
And that's surely got to be the goal, right Both
of these smaller parties want to kick the other one out,
don't they.

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
Oh yeah, well you know, as we know, and the
lead up to the election there is no love loss,
and wasn't just the lead up to the election. There's
never been any love lost between Winston Peters and David Seymour.
They would die hard enemies that I've said the worst
things about each other you could possibly say in politics.
And then nevertheless they're sitting around the same cabinet table now.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
And that's what this very thing is bringing to the
four Right is you've got David Sema on the one side,
who wants a you know, a private privatization approach to this.
He wants a capital approach to this market approach, and
Winston Peter's with his nationalist approach and they just don't
work together. So if you can kick the other one out,
then your argument gets this way right with Luxon and co.

Speaker 6 (01:20:37):
Oh, Yeah, both both Winston and David Sema would like
to see each other kicked out of Parliament, well one
and the other, so you know it could possibly happen.
A fact keeps on the way it's going in terms
of public popularity. But I tell you what, there's a
hell of a lot of water to flow under the
political bridge between now and the next election, right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
And not a lot of fairy to get them across
at Barry, thank you very much for that. Barry Soaper,
senior political correspondent with us live from Sorry from Wellington
at twenty three minutes after six News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
EBB crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan
Bridge with the Business Hour thanks to my HR the
HR solution for busy s Emy's on News Talk ZBB.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
You might have heard about this in the news today.
There's an apartment building in Mount Wellington and Auckland, and
apparently it's too posh for laundry. They don't want you
to dry your washing your laundry out on the balconies
of this apartment building because they say it's a bit tacky.
The name of the apartment block is Risido. Now, if

(01:21:42):
that's not tacky, I don't know what is. Honestly, if
you think you can, if you think you can tell
people not to put their laundry on their balconies on
the basis that it's a bit tacky and have a
name like Risido, come on, what's it's as bad as
calling them APARTMENTO. Come to your apartment into at the
Rosido building. Just don't bring you a washing I mean

(01:22:04):
people have to dry this stuff, don't they. I'm looking
at the photos of this apartment building. It's not the
flashest building I've seen. If I'm being honest with you,
I don't know what the big fuss is about. There's
actually an apartment building around the corner from where I live,
and they have they're redesigning it because of exactly this problem.
They say that people were putting their washing out, putting

(01:22:24):
all sorts of things on the balcony. They didn't have
enough privacies screening on the front of it, so they're
redesigning it to actually put privacy screening on the front.
Maybe that would be a solution.

Speaker 20 (01:22:33):
I mean, why I put balconies in the apartment if
they don't expect people to do anything with them or
use them for anything.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Quite a good point. Are you allowed to stand on them?
Or is that tacky too?

Speaker 9 (01:22:42):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
Anyway, it's a terrible pipe for the residence of Risido.
Twenty seven half to six. We live in the UK
and Hong Kong next this man.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all
on the Business Hour, Ryan Bridge and my HR the
HR solution for busy SMEs, News Talks, AB's Fun.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Twenty five Way from seven on News Talk said b
coming up before seven o'clock, We're going to go live
to our UK correspondent Gavin Gray, who's standing by in
London with the latest news. We've just been talking about
very briefly about Rosido and Mount Wellington. This is the
apartment building where the body corporate has insisted that residents
do not hang their washing on a clothes horse on

(01:23:35):
the balcony because it looks ugly. They don't like the
look of it. Someone who's texted in to say, Ryan,
no one in Winyard Quarter is allowed to dry their
washing on the balcony's body. Corporate rules forbid. It always
been that way. Have the rack and side simple. Another says, next,
you'll be able to scatter rubbish on the front lawns
and leave lawns unmode. No, that's extreme. No one is

(01:23:56):
saying that. All they're saying all. I think the point
that residents are trying to make some of them anyway,
is it's a sort of a necessity of life. Would
you rather smelly people in smelly clothes or clean people
and just the odd horse rack.

Speaker 20 (01:24:12):
I think in the case of when you had Quarter
as well, Ryan wouldn't like, you know, the crisp, damp
sea air like you probably wouldn't get your clothes terribly
dry on the balcony down.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
True, it's a little bit fishy.

Speaker 20 (01:24:22):
Or if it was slightly yes, absolutely, if it was
slightly windy and the wind and was whipping up the
ocean and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Plus you could make the argument that win you'd Quarter
is quite an iconic part of the city. So if
you had it looking a little decrepid, with people's you know,
bras and undis hanging off the side of the balcony,
then perhaps that would affect the entire the at.

Speaker 20 (01:24:40):
What are you saying about Henderson, Ryan, it's not very enough.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
No, No, it's Mount Wellington. Well, it's even worse.

Speaker 10 (01:24:48):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
It's twenty three away from seven on a Friday evening
Bridge and we go into our Asia business correspondent Peter Lewis. Peter,
the China trade surplus the largest and five months.

Speaker 21 (01:25:00):
Yeah, hi, Ryan, this is indeed it's growing. In fact,
it's on track to reach one trillion dollars with all
the countries in the world, and in fact, China runs
the trade surplus with nearly every single country in the world.
There's up forty percent in November alone. I mean, this
is really unsustainable. It's been unsustainable for a while. But

(01:25:23):
obviously it's attracted the attention of Donald Trump, who no
doubt is ready in his terriff pen for when he
gets into power in January. He's already threatened additional tariffs
on China, calls his big problems for Europe. I mean,
they're being flooded with ev electric vehicle imports, and their

(01:25:44):
own auto industry just can't compete with this flood of
Chinese goods. Also, the way the trade surplace has come
about is because although exports grew, imports declined, so means
that actually other countries around the world are struggling to
export their goods to China. And the reason why imports

(01:26:08):
have fallen in China is because a weak domestic demand.
The economy is not doing that well at the moment,
and consumers in China just don't want to go out
and spend, so as a result, there really is a
lot of sort of pent up demand, but it's not
being released now. We've just had the Chinese Economic Work Conference,

(01:26:30):
which is held every year, led by President Chi Jinping,
and they've said they are going to make boosting domestic
demand their top priority for next year. But they did
say that a year ago as well, and we haven't
seen that happen, and they didn't provide any details of
what they were going to do to try and boost
domestic demand.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Interesting, and we're one of those countries that's affected by
exactly what you've just described. You know, obviously we have
a lot of milk and dairy products that we've seen
up to China, and that weaker demand has been affected
us massively. It's got to South Korea. The president. They
are still clinging to office and refusing to resign, even
though there's going to be a vice to impictu him.

Speaker 21 (01:27:09):
Yes, I think he's going to be out by Saturday.
They're going to hold a second impeachment vote. The first
time around, he survived by the skin of his teeth
because the opposition parties need eight members of the People
Power Party that's the ruling conservative party to cross the
isle and join them in voting for impeachment. Now, last time,

(01:27:32):
the leaders of his party sort of did a deal
with him whereby, in consequence of saving him from impeachment,
he would in effect hand over his powers to admit
to his cabinets and ministers and also to the party,
and they would take over a lot of his state duties.
Now there's no constitutional arrangement that allows for that, but

(01:27:55):
nevertheless it seems to be agreed whereby he would be
president in name only but wouldn't really have any powers anyway.
On Thursday, he gave a speech where he made it
clear he wasn't prepared to do any such thing. He
said he was going to fight until the last moment.
He was blaming the decision to imposed military rule on
what he called anti state forces, and he suggested that

(01:28:18):
North Korea had helped the opposition parties secure their victory
in the parliamentary elections earlier in the year. Now, the
more this is looked into, the police are investigating to
see whether there's grounds for charging him with treason. It
looks like one of the things they discovered is that
Defense Minister, when they announced this plan for martial law,

(01:28:43):
sent drones into North Korea in the hope of provoking
some sort of response from the North that would then
justify the imposition of martial law. So really it's quite
an extraordinary situation. But it seems almost almost impossible now
for you to survive the second impeachment vote on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
What's up with this guy? What is behind this ag
ego on him?

Speaker 21 (01:29:10):
What is this Well he has actually yes, and you know,
it's hard to imagine what he was thinking of because
he must have known that the impeatriate, the imposition of
martial law could be overturned by a vote in parliament,
and that's exactly what happened. Maybe he thought that that

(01:29:31):
the military would stop MP's getting to Parliament in order
to be able to hold that vote, but in fact
the military didn't do an awful lot to stop them,
so that that vote went ahead, and it really styled
his plan. But yes, it is very difficult to imagine
what an earth was he thinking of here, because certainly
the people of self career are never going to accept

(01:29:54):
either this new arrangement that has come up with or
the imposition of martial law. They've got a very long,
sad history of martial law in South Korea and they
certainly don't want to go back to those days.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
Certainly not right. Let's move on from South Korea. Talk
about the Taiwan military on highland at the moment because
of Chinese warship sailing near them.

Speaker 21 (01:30:16):
Yes, another set of exercises going on, quite a big
set of exercises this time which involves ships of sailing
through the Taiwan Strait surrounding the island, stimulating blockades and
so on. This time it's come because the Taiwanese President
William Lai visited Guam and Hawaii on a stop off

(01:30:37):
to the South Pacific and that enraged China. They really
don't like any part of America or any American state
hosting the Taiwanese president. So that's what's prompted the latest
round of maneuvers. But these are the things with these
is that they are constantly keeping Taiwan on high alert

(01:31:00):
because they have to respond. Their military has to check
out what's going on, you know, the planes that are
crossing the demarcation line. They have to spend a lot
of money and time on doing this, so it really
stretches Taiwan's military. But I think that is part of
the aim of China here to just try and see
how far it can go and how and how much

(01:31:23):
the Taiwanese military is able to respond. And clearly the
worry is that one day one of these maneuvers will
turn out to be not a drill, but will actually
turn out to be the real thing, and China will
go and launch an invasion of Taiwan.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
Well let's have that's not any time. So in Peter,
thank you very much. So that Peter lewis out Asia
Business correspondent with us from Hong Kong. It is sixteen
away from seven News Talk zimb.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
Everything from SMEs, the Big Corporates, The Business Hour with
Ryan Bridge and my HR the HR Solution for busy
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Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
Hope you're enjoy your Friday evening everyone. It's just gone
fourteen away from seven and we're going live to London now.
Givin Gray is our UK correspondent. Given good evening, Good
morning to you. Yeah, good evening, Andrew Hospital. Ryan, Aye, sorry, man,
that's okay, it happens. I just call me, call me
whatever you want. Just give me the news, Kevin, tell

(01:32:19):
me about the hospitals. The title Life of Flu and
Winter Virus is heading.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:32:25):
It's really been something that comes every year. They warn
about winter viruses, winter flu's being really bad and a
shortage of beds. But I fear this year that that
disaster scenario could really happen, that we reach capacity of beds.
And that's because in the last week alone, Ryan, the
number of beds occupied by flu patients has gone up

(01:32:47):
seventy percent seven zero percent, so one nine hundred hospital
beds currently occupied by flu patients. Of course, many of
them elderly who suffer much more dangerous symptoms from the
flu viruses.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Doing the rounds.

Speaker 22 (01:33:01):
There are lots of coughs, colds and bugs doing the
rounds this winter, and of course hospitals already under tremendous
pressure here anyway, so I'm afraid. Yeah, we're the bosses
of some hospitals in England describing this as a tidal
wave of flu and they are urging people to get
vaccinated against the bugs of flu and of course coronavirus

(01:33:24):
which is still around. But I think it's going to
be a very very tough period for hospitals, with figures
back from last month, the most recent month figures available
showing a quarter of patients waiting longer than four hours
in accident and emergency.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
Yeah, that's never good. Hey, the summer riots, we all
remember the guy who tried to sit vire to that
asylum seeker's hostel or hotel. He's now being jailed. What's
happened here?

Speaker 22 (01:33:53):
Yeah, it is the longest sentence handed to anyone taking
part in those riots than before. So this is a
thirty one year old man from Barnsley in the north
of England who had initially denied violent disorder and arsen
with intent to endanger life, but he later pleaded guilty
to the charges and has been sentenced to nine years.

(01:34:15):
Levi Fishlocks his name. He smashed windows and stoked a
flaming bin, so it basically a bin was on fire
and he ran out At the Holiday in Express in Rotherham,
there was a night of disorder on the fourth of August.
The hotel had been used to house asylum seekers in
a controversial policy of the previous government. In this government

(01:34:36):
they've simply run out of spaces to keep people waiting
for asylum. And he was basically released from the same
area as that of a four hundred strong crowd who
attempted to set far to this hotel in South Yorkshire.
There was large scale disorder that day. Sixty police officers
were injured as riot as many armed weapons circled the

(01:34:59):
hotel and there was indisputable CCTV of this man, Levi Fishlock,
going about and breaking the law in that way. This
was a very strong sentence and the judge said, this
is a really a sort of a way of showing
people that they are taking these riots very seriously and
to put people off taking part in others.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
Goodness, may tell me about all the goths from Buckingham
Palace this Christmas, there's been a bit of scandal.

Speaker 22 (01:35:29):
Indeed, Ryan, well, I know, you know, I know. We
all like a good Christmas party, don't we. Thankfully it
doesn't often end in arrests, but according to reports, up
to fifty members of Buckingham Palace staff were at a
bar near Buckingham Palace.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Called All Bar One.

Speaker 22 (01:35:47):
They were having a good Christmas party when all of
a sudden, it was said that problems erupted and a
twenty four year old woman was arrested on suspicion of
common assault, criminal damage and being drunkenly. And yes, we
believe the twenty four year old was a member of
staff from Buckingham Palace. It's thought perhaps a maid or something.
There were reports that a customer had smashed glasses and

(01:36:10):
attempted to assault a member of staff. Now Buckham Palace
says it's going to take appropriate action. We don't know
what that means, saying the facts will be fully investigated.
The woman was reportedly given a penalty notice for disorder
by the police, having been taken into custody and held
until the following day. It happened on Tuesday. It's only
just been revealed however, and the spokesperson their confirming staff

(01:36:34):
had been at a reception at the palace that evening,
but stressed that the incident had occurred at an unofficial
gathering elsewhere, so not on the royal premises, but nearby.
And it looks like a member of royal staff. So
embarrassing and dare I say, lots of questions being asked
about the policies of what happened that night and staff parties.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
Absolutely, you'd almost well, if you worked there, you'd want
to have your party at Buckinghams, wouldn't you. I suppose
they were you know, yeah, keep it in health. But
who'd serve all the drinks?

Speaker 22 (01:37:06):
That's the question, because they'll be at the party.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
Well that's a good point. Well, if they were serving
their own drinks, then there would be no waiters injured.
I suppose would be the upside. Thank you, Thank you
very much for that. Gavin Gavin Gray, a UK correspondent
with a bit of goths from Buckingham Palace. It is
eight away from seven here on news talks.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Heb getting ready for a new administration in the US.
What will be the impact? It's the Business Hour with
hither duplicy Allen and my HR the HR solution for
busy SMEs News Talks B.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
It is six away from seven News Talks hed B.
Things I've learned from the show that this evening, don't
hold your breath if you're looking for an increase in
the minimum wage from Brook van Veld, well, not a
big one anyway. She tempered her comments on the show
this evening, saying that she needs to as much as
she needs to think about those who are on the
minimum wage, she needs to think quite hard about the

(01:38:00):
business signers who have been doing it tough of late,
her words. And the announcement's coming just before you know,
end of the week, just before Christmas buried. No one's
listening to the news, watching the news, so probably it's
going to be a bad one. Also, we've learnt about
Tim Salvey now from Paul Allison and Nicki Starrs who
were on our sports huddle tonight. They both think and

(01:38:22):
therefore I'm now thinking that he will play tomorrow a
nice little farewell for him. And what are we going
out with tonight?

Speaker 20 (01:38:30):
Glad you came by the wanted to play us out tonight. Sadly,
I try and do a fun one on Fridays, but
unfortunately the news doesn't always play ball. Max George, who
is part of The Wanted, is in a hospital with
some heart issoes he said he's actually putting a pretty
positive spin on. He says he was very lucky but
he went to hospital in the UK with some problems
and they looked at it and he's got some major

(01:38:50):
hard issues. So he's going to be spending Christmas in
hospital getting those dealt with and dealt with surgeries. But
he says he's actually just stoked that they managed to
catch it early and hopefully he's going to have the
best arts of recovery, so that's very good. The Wanted, Bryan,
in case you're you're I can see Wheels team behind it.
They're a boy band from a few years now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
I know who the Wanes are actually think. I'm actually
thinking this guy must be young and he's got heart problems,
you know.

Speaker 20 (01:39:13):
Because they did go in twenty ninet. He's thirty six,
so yeah for bit.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Young quite young.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
Oh well, I hope it's all right. Thanks very much
for the ants, Thank you everybody for listening and for
all of your feedback. Have a fantastic weekend. I'll see
you on Monday.

Speaker 12 (01:39:26):
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Speaker 12 (01:40:17):
Out, and all that comes is here, and now my
univers will never be the same.

Speaker 6 (01:40:26):
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