Full Show Podcast: 14 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.
Or here's Ryan Bridge on Heather duperic Ellen Drive with
One New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
They'd be good afternoon at is seven after four. Great
to have you coming on this Friday afternoon, Barbara. What
are your bottom lines? Barbara Edvans joins us after five.
The overseas investment conundrum for Labor continues today, a bit
of confusion around their policy, so we'll check in with her.
We're also going to check in with a doctor at
the ed in Christ Church. People are coming in and punching.

(00:34):
They're coming in and swearing. They're coming in and being
pretty violent towards our ed staff. So we'll catch up
with them after six. I'm really looking forward to this one.
This is the inventor of that artificial heart that we've
been talking about out of Australia over the last week.
We speak to the guy who actually invented it for
his dying dad. That's after six, Ryan Bridge. I saw

(00:55):
the news today and I thought, here she goes again.
This is Toryo in Wellington playing the victim again for
sympathy votes. So she says that Chris Luxon is not
a nice person because he called the council lame o. Honestly,
is the bar that low? You know, it would have

(01:17):
to be one of the meekest and weakest pejoratives that
you could lobb at a council. If that makes you
a bad person, then we are all going to hell
in a handbasket. Have you ever used harsh words to
describe a politician or a council? Of course you have.
I curse them weekly. Must I repent for my sins?
Does that make me a bad person? No, Tory, it

(01:39):
is time to harden up the real reason she's angry.
And this is quite obvious to anyone who's had a
cursory advances because Luxon is simply saying what all of
her rate payers are thinking. That's sick of it. The
council is doing a crap job and the mayor's in charge.
They've scored an f for effort and results. The council
does a survey every year and this time, funnily enough,

(02:02):
they tried to hide the bad results, but someone did
an OAA. So since Tory Farno took charge of Wellington,
the sense of pride in the city is down from
sixty percent to fifty percent. Amongst residents Wellington is a
great place to live, work and play. That's down. Thirty
seven percent think it's a lively and attractive place. And

(02:23):
what about the council's performance fifty percent half of the
city dissatisfied, twenty percent think they're doing a satisfactory job.
This all comes off the back of the fact that
they didn't put in an application for a City Deal,
which is the government's initiative which could unlock cheaper financing
for quite important stuff like roads and pipes. But they didn't.

(02:46):
Sure they weren't the only ones not to, but the
fact is they didn't. Yet they had time to prepare
a response to the Treaty Principal's Bill, even though that's
going nowhere. And Farno said today she did want to
submit a quote, half baked proposal to meet a deadline.
I mean, come on, honestly, how about do the job

(03:09):
properly on time and not have it be half baked.
There is no hope for Wellington under this sort of leadership,
and Wellington knows that, and Tory knows that, and that
is why she's so worked up and lashing out at Luxon.
It's a cynical, last ditch attempt to squeeze the last
drops of sympathy out of voters going into an election year.

(03:30):
Only Wellington has run out of patience and after this
election it'll be a green city no more. Bryan Bridge
ten minutes after four nine two nine two is the
number to text, let's go to New Plymouth rough Sleepers
there have been told to basically move on, remove your
belongings from foot paths or risk losing them. Your Plymouth

(03:52):
District Council says homeless people are in breach of bylaws
by obstructing public places. The district's emergency shelter close twenty
twenty three and you Pulmouth District Mayor Neil Holden was
with me this afternoon. Hey Neil today, Ryan good, thank you?
Is this a bit heavy handed or I mean, are
you allowed to just go and take people's stuff?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Well, the reality is what we've done is said to
people that you're not meant to camp on the main
street of town, on the footpath and blocking shops and doors.
It's not heavy handed at all because what we've done
is we're actually we've invested in a social worker trying
to get these people into housing. We're actually we've got
a proposal coming on the first of April where we're

(04:35):
potentially going to be considering putting hundreds of thousands of
dollars into funding a homeless shelter because the government closed
the last one. In partnership with YMCA, we've actually put
twelve million dollars into building social housing and we're actually
going to be building starting constructing some additional social housing

(04:57):
this year. But we don't people camping in town that
The issue that we've had there is we've got it's
a liquor band area. We've got people drinking in there,
we've got people taking drugs in there, we've got people
intimidating people, intimidating shoppers. We've got there's parts of the
CBD have not felt safe, and then in the last

(05:18):
couple of weeks they've started building structures out of cardboard.
And what we've said is, look, we're trying to look
after you. We want you our people, we want to
find you shelter and food and we're looking Our plan
is to get something in place before winter. You've got
to respect other users of town, and we've had about
dirty complaints and the police have been called about nine

(05:39):
or ten times due to violence, intimidation, drug use, alcohol abuse,
and we just we want to look after these people.
But there's also an expectation that people obey the law
and give people the space to enjoy town and not
scared businesses or shoppers away from businesses, which has been happening.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Where do they go once, you know, you take this
stuff away, you take the cardboard way, I mean, until
you've got the shelters, and where do the people go?
Do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Well?

Speaker 3 (06:08):
The reality is that I've heard already some of them
have made some arrangements, some of them going to a
local church area. The social workers that we've funded and
the group that we are looking at funding are working
hard to find places for them. And that's but what
we've actually said is we haven't said you have to go.
What we've said is you can't be I mean, we're

(06:29):
talking about a tress, all tables and building rooms on
the footpath out of boxes and bicycles. This isn't just
mattresses and blankets, Ryan, this is building a you know,
they're building a campsite and structures right in the middle
of the CBD and we've so what we said, we're
not we have no right to move people on and
we're not looking at moving people of But we've said

(06:51):
you can't set up a trestle table outside a shop
and then start piling boxes on it and then build
a cardboard box bedroom outside somebody's shop.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
When the when the shelter comes, now, will it actually
do people move there like when the old one closed?
Did you have this problem or is it just a
group of people who for whatever reason will always be there.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
There's look, we think that when the shelter opens that
many of these people will they want they actually want
to be sleeping somewhere warm and safe. And what they're
doing is clustering together. Because you know that people pick
on homeless people. But what we've also had is because
they've been clustering together, we've got people that do have
homes that go, oh, there's some fun to be had here.
I can probably sell some drugs here. I can go

(07:36):
in there with them and sit there and drink in
town even though it's a liquorband area, and smoke some weed.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
You know, in the middle of the day.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
And and and we've basically said that that we're looking
to support everybody. We want an inclusive society and you know,
my viewers, people should be free to do whatever they
want up until the point that they start harming others.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, fair enough, and it has been to others.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
So we've given them seven days. I think the hope
is that we don't have to impound anything. And my
understanding is they've already they're already moving on some of them,
they're moving their staff. We've taken a very softly, softly
approach because but the point of mat Ryan is, you know,
the Prome Minister mentioned to us to get back to basics,
and I'm pretty keen on that. But the housing, welfare

(08:23):
and mental health are all issues that we pay tax
for for central government to deal with. Here's how much
the government has put into the solutions that we're working on.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
How much not one not one dollar?

Speaker 3 (08:35):
They are nowhere to be safe, to.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Be fair, I mean, the thing is, you've got governments
who are paying welfare payments. There are housing programs, there
is housing assistance. I mean, the government's already paying a
lot of money. I mean, and there are people who
are hard, hard up who don't live on the street.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
You know, I look and I agree with that, right,
but I suppose. So I've got on one hand, the
Prime Minister, let me get back to Bay six years.
You're there to pick up rubbish, mo lawns, do the water,
and I'm happy with that. Then I've got the senior
bureaucrats that work for government saying, oh, we want you
to take a leadership issue on this homelessness, right so, Neil,
and we're not going to You're not going to provide

(09:15):
you any fun.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Now you're getting at both ends near I understand. Thank
you so much. New hold the new Plymouth District Mayor.
I would love to know what it's like where you are.
Nine two nine two number Tex. Sixteen minutes after four,
we'll checking with Jason Pine.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Next, it's the Heather tops All and Drive Full Show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZBB.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Four eighteen News Talks edb Ryan, why is it our
responsibility to be responsible for the irresponsible? This is on
the issue of homelessness. We just spoke to the new
Plymouth Mayor. I guess that's the burden of living in
a society, isn't it? The pleasure and the burden? Nineteen
after four Now Jason Pines here Weekend Sport hosts. Hey Jason,
geta Ryan now, Lien Lawson, he's had a chance to

(09:56):
have a quick buzz around the track already. How's he looking?

Speaker 6 (09:59):
Sixteenth fastest of the twenty, so like you should say,
towards the back of the field in the opening practice session,
first taste of driving in the Red Bull seat as
a full time driver one minute eighteen point four to
five five seconds. Now, that probably doesn't mean a lot
in isolation, but they have said red Ball they want
Liam Lawson to be within three tenths of a second

(10:21):
of Max for Stappin in terms of how quick he goes.
He hasn't managed that because for Stappin's gone one seventeen
six nine six, So a bit of work to do
for Liam Lawson.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
But it's only.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
Practice, it's not qualifying, and it's certainly not the race itself,
which is on Sunday. At five Max for Stappen was
fifth fastest. Mclarenly got the fastest cars this year, Ryan
Orlando Norris topping the time sheets so far, quite a
way ahead of the rest, so there'll be ever to
catching up to do for Red Ball. But Liam Lawson
at least has got out there for the first time.
He will be please to get that out of the way.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Absolutely, What does this weekend Sunday five pm? You said,
the big race? What does success look like for him?

Speaker 6 (10:59):
Well, depends on who you listen to. I think finishing
is one one measure of success. You know, to finish first. First,
you have to finish, as they say, so I think
getting rounds and getting the check and flag.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Is one thing.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
I think getting in the top ten would be a
bare minimum for Liam Lawson given the fact he's in
a red Bull car which is one of the one
of the fast cars, and if he stays within three
tenths of a second of max for staff and you'd
have to think he'll do that. But let's not forget
it's a long season. There are twenty one, sorry, twenty
four Grand Prix across twenty twenty five. So even if

(11:31):
he doesn't quite manage to raise a lot of eyebrows
this weekend, I think getting the first one out of
the way will be a big weight off the shoulders
of Liam Lawson as he contemplates a full year of
being in this seat full time.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Now the Warriors round one, but ugly against Manly. Can
they bounce back tonight?

Speaker 6 (11:49):
Well, I'm not worried about Liam Lawson, a bit worried
about the Warriors. If I'm honest with you, Ryan, you
know they weren't great in Vegas, and you might be
able to write it off as saying, okay, well that
was almost a falsey con me Vegas is almost pre season.
But Manly were very good last weekend, very very good.
One of the better sides going around, in fact, probably
one of the top two or three sides in the NRL.

(12:11):
The Warriors wouldn't want to put on the same performance
tonights at home as they did in Vegas. Look, I
don't think their favorite I really don't think their favorite.
But look, funny things happen when the Warriors play at
Mount Smart, big crowd, hopefully expected. I think the weather's
going to be okay. But Manly are a good team.
I think performance is the thing rather than result. Even
if they were to lose but played a lot better,

(12:32):
I think that would be okay. But of course we'd
love to see them win tonight.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, hey, thanks so much for that, and good luck
to the the lame O Hurricanes tonight too.

Speaker 8 (12:42):
Thanks right, gee, you left it late for that.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Jason Pine. We'll see later on that Stayson Pine from
New just took. They'd be twenty two minutes after five.
Dan Mitchison is with us after the news. At half four,
Trump is and you know, there's only so much you
can do the tip for tet tip for tet thing,
I mean in terms of covering it. But champagne's going
to get quite expensive over in the US. And then
also Trump said that Champagne it could be a boon

(13:08):
for American champagne producers. I'm like, I don't think. I
don't think that works like that. Champagne has to come
from France, doesn't it. Anyway, Damn Mitchison is here after
the news checking the.

Speaker 9 (13:20):
Point of the story.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
It's Ryan Bridgejohn Heather Duper c Allen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected and new stalks.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
That'd be So we had some stats and z numbers
out today. This is for food prices for February. Well
actually they gave us the year two February, but also
the month of so food prices up two point four
percent that's for the year, but actually down point five
percent for the months from January to February. Now, the
spike you might remember for January was quite big. It

(13:48):
was up one point nine percent for January. That was
the biggest monthly increase in three years. It was all
a bit weird, but it's good that that's coming down.
It's actually negative for February. Some of the actual items grocery,
Grocery prices over the year up four point three percent,
restaurant meals and ready to eat food up two and
a half percent. And here's your two liter milk for

(14:11):
February twenty twenty four. So a year ago you paid
three dollars ninety four for a two liters of milk.
Today you're paying four dollars fifty five. And your butter
for five hundred grams seven dollars thirty two. That's up
sixty percent on February of last year. Twenty six after
four Ryan Bridge Malim Lawson has apparently obviously a big

(14:31):
weekend for him in Melbourne, but apparently went on the
Project Australia and they were trying to get him I
haven't heard this yet, but trying to coax him into
becoming an Australian or admitting he was an Australian or something.
Have a listen, got.

Speaker 8 (14:44):
Another coming from.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
No, I'm not doing it. I'm from New Zealand. We've
got red stars, not years. Oi, Oi, I'm not doing it.
Isn't that cool watching him? Well, apparently we haven't had
a four all time Formula One driver in a hot
seat for almost ten years in New Zealand. So this
is great, this is good. I'm gonna be watching this weekend,

(15:09):
at least the highlights, I'll have to say. But good
on them out there doing the business.

Speaker 10 (15:14):
Venus go on, Ryan, you watch practice today and then
there's qualifying tomorrow, and then I think the race is
on Sunday. Plenty to watch. Don't need to just stick
to the highlight.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, but how do you actually watch it? That's my
only problem.

Speaker 10 (15:24):
It's on Sky Sports.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, see there it is. Don't have it, can't do it,
but there will be highlights online. I'll watch those news
talks d B for the US.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Next after making the news, the newsmakers talk to Ryan first.
It's Ryan Bridge on hither duplic elan drive with one
New Zealand.

Speaker 9 (15:49):
Let's get connected news talk, said B.

Speaker 11 (15:52):
Never a.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Good afternoon twenty five minutes away from five News. Talks
a lot of people texting and to say you can
watch Liam Lawson and Melbourne for free on Sky Open
on Sunday evening. So there you go. Didn't know that?

Speaker 12 (16:10):
Do now?

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Well?

Speaker 13 (16:11):
Watch?

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Apparently it's from seven pm. I think it's five pm.
Must be five pm live. I'm assuming Beads. Thank you
for that.

Speaker 13 (16:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Barbara Edmonds is on the show after five o'clock. So
this whole bipartisan thing, everyone knows it needs to happen.
They need to be on the same page and we
need to have the pipeline of work and all that
kind of stuff, the agreement between both sides of the house.
But then when it comes down to it, do I
either of them actually want to do that? Are they
even capable of doing that? Barbara Edmunds came out today

(16:38):
and kind of confused people because going into it she's
seem much she was open to it, and then she's
put a few conditions, a few if butts and maybies.
But then, as Ants pointed out to me today, was
it a bit rude of the government to actually announce
projects without telling labor first? Was that a bit on
the nose? So anyway, we'll talk to Barbara Edmonds get
to the bottom of all of that. After five, it's

(16:58):
twenty four away from.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
It's the World wires on news dogs Endy Drive.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Donald Trump threatening a two hundred percent tariff on all
booze from the EU. The US is the largest importer
of wine and champagne in the world. Did you know
that imported almost nine billion dollars worth of wine in
twenty twenty three. Kelly O'Grady from CBS News has very
diplomatically suggested that this terrify idea is bonkers.

Speaker 14 (17:22):
In fact, I.

Speaker 15 (17:23):
Actually spoke with a small business owner this morning in
the wine industry. She's a wine importer, and she said
this would just destroy that piece of her business because
the alcohol consumption in this country is already going down
and that would be such a big cost to pass
on to consumers.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Persian says he's cane on a ceasefire, but he's got conditions.
This is with the Ukraine. Obviously, He says, no Western
military aid to Ukraine while the truce is in effect.
Zelenski says that he's distalling for time.

Speaker 16 (17:54):
He is actually preparing a refusal as of now. Pewtin,
of course, is afraid to tell President Trum directly that
he wants to continue this war finds to kill Ukrainians.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Finally this afternoon, Wow, it's actually the heartbreaking down of
a wombat in Australia being carried away by this hideous
hunting influencer who grabbed the baby separated it from mama bear.
Sam Jones is her name. We've brought you the story yesterday.
She became public enemy number one this week in Australia

(18:25):
when it was discovered that she temporarily separated the baby
one bat from its mother for a TikTok video for
some likes. The authorities were reviewing whether she'd reached her visa.
They've looked into it. Apparently she has skipped the country
this morning of her own accord.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
International correspondence with ends in eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Running home for her mummy. I bet now. Dan Mitchison
is a US correspondent. He's with US now, Hi Dan, Hello, Dan,
come in from the United States. There you are, hey,
bad news for you champagne consumption. Dan Trump wants to
put a massive tariff on it.

Speaker 17 (19:05):
I know and during the World Wire, as your producer
Laura was just asking if I was contributing to this
massive amount that we import here, and I said, absolutely not.

Speaker 18 (19:12):
I'm a teetotaler. But you're right. He plans to put
this two hundred percent.

Speaker 17 (19:16):
Two hundred tariff on on the alcohol that we're importing
from the EU, and I mean bad for a lot
of people over there. They're seeing good for the wine
and champagne business here in the US. But I don't
see how that's possible because if you're a high end drinker,
we know that while California does produce a lot of
the good wines that are not just here but also internationally,

(19:38):
a lot of the stuff comes from overseas, and just
with the economy in the market the way it is
right now, I don't know if people are going to
want to buy it, whether it's from here or there.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah. Good point. Now Trump is going to the Supreme
Court to get permission to end birthright citizenship.

Speaker 18 (19:53):
Yeah, And here's the issue.

Speaker 17 (19:55):
I know we've talked about this this before, and we're
trying to keep this as simple as possible because it
is using but for one hundred and fifty some odd
years that the courts here have said the Fourteenth Amendments
text is basically guaranteed citizenship to anybody that's born or
naturalized here in the US. Here is the issue, though
Conservatives have argued that those views are wrong because they

(20:15):
say there's a phrase there that says the benefit applies
only to people who are subject to the jurisdiction of
the United States. Immigrants here in the country illegally, the
theory goes, are subject to the jurisdiction of their native homeland,
not the US. So that is the sticking point. So
the Trump administration has asked the Supreme Court to do
these emergency appeals and allow them to move forward plans

(20:37):
to end birthright citizenships. This has been knocked down before.
I have a really hard time to see this moving forward.
But we'll see what happens. I mean, he's just thrown
everything he can at the court to get this to
move forward.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Dan, what's the story about Americans thinking that can be
a grizzly beer in hand to hand combat.

Speaker 17 (20:55):
I mean, all right, there's a percentage of us. I
shouldn't include myself in this because I've come face to
face with a grizzly before, but six percent of Americans
think they could beat a grizzly bear in a fight.
And this is something that's made the rounds before that
we've heard it's back on social media and according to
a bearwear dot com, male grizzlies which can weighup to

(21:16):
one thousand pounds and are strong.

Speaker 18 (21:19):
Basically you're not going to win a fight.

Speaker 17 (21:21):
But the poll asked Americans if they believe they could
beat them in a fight, and six percent said yes,
in a fight to the death. Probably even more thought
they could than admit it. But you have to question
how valid this survey is because eight percent of those
surveyed so they could also beat an elephant, a gorilla,
or a lion in a fight. So hopefully we're hoping
these people are just joking around and they're not taking

(21:43):
this too seriously.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Hopefully not. Maybe all those six percent of people are
drunk on all the cheap boots from the aus. Maybe
that's giving them some confidence.

Speaker 18 (21:53):
Yeah, some Dutch courage, as they say, yes, I think
you're right.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Hey, what happened when you met a grizzly bear.

Speaker 17 (21:58):
We were up at a cabin in the mountains and
we opened the door. We heard something and there was
a grizzly standing on its hind legs. It must have
been ten twelve feet tall, and that door. We shut
that door immediately. I have never been more scared in
my life.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Was it was it quite beautiful or just scary?

Speaker 4 (22:14):
It was?

Speaker 18 (22:15):
It was both.

Speaker 17 (22:16):
I mean, it wasn't like it was just I think
it was rummaging for food right outside the cabin. And
you know, it was stormy and it was it was noisy,
and it was just looking for someplace dry. So it
came up onto the porch and that's how we heard
the noise, and so we opened the front door and
there it was.

Speaker 18 (22:29):
I don't know if it would have.

Speaker 17 (22:30):
Done any harm, but you know, we didn't really want to,
you know, stick around to ask.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
It no, take a photo and take in its beauty. Dan,
thank you, Dan meant, correspondent, nineteen minutes away from five
YEWS talks. You'd be, what's the saying about fighting beers
like brown? If it's brown, laid down, if it's black,
fight back, and if it's white, take flight or something
like that. You don't mean to fight the white ones.
I mean you should probably not fight any of them.

(22:57):
That I'm assuming be the correct advice. Lucky, we don't
have to deal with that. Here do we eighteen minutes
away from five, somebody's just text him to say, Ryan,
they're going to have to deport half of Australia, because
I'm sure every bogan has done the exact same thing
as that poor girl who picked up the wombat over there.
She didn't hurt the thing at all, She separated it
from mamma. I don't know. I watched that video and

(23:20):
I felt a little to be honest, I felt a
little bit sick. Didn't I didn't sit right with me,
didn't sit well with me. I'm happy she's gone. News
talks he beat eighteen minutes away from five, Barbara Edmonds
After five Barry Soper with what's going on at the
investment summit? Next?

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Politics was centric credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
A quarter to five News Talks, he'd be Barry sober here, Hey, Barry,
got afternoon, Ryan, Good afternoon, now, chrysaldwe back in from
the cold at the investment summer.

Speaker 8 (23:49):
Come as a surprise to you, Ryan, that I know Crystler.

Speaker 17 (23:51):
Dealt quite well.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Here we go again.

Speaker 8 (23:55):
I've dined with him on several occasions New York when
he was working with Donald Trump. I can never quite
understand why New Zealander would work for Donald Trump, but
I think the point he made it a sort of
a way that look, he's a boy from Matamata. I mean,
he's house some very senior business positions after he left Matamata.

(24:16):
But to work in the most important office in the
world was a bit of a buzz and it was
the one that outlasted everybody in the Trump office.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
And also it wasn't such a known quantity back the
first time round.

Speaker 8 (24:32):
Bad but chrys Dell he spoke to the investment summit
last night, and Christopher Luxon started his speech this morning
to the summit thanking Laddll for his very considered presentation
and interestingly he was Trump's favorite. Laddell was to take
over the OECTs CD's top job, but New Zealand voted

(24:58):
against him because the National Party changed its position and
said you can't forget the Trump factors. So interestingly, he's
obviously come around full circle. But the media couldn't find
Ladell last night. There's nowhere to be found and today
as well. Four years ago, when he was Trump's Chief

(25:18):
policy adviser, he spoke fondly of the president and how
he the president that is, likes debate. Haven't listened to.

Speaker 19 (25:25):
What he really likes is vibrant conversation, and what he
really likes and engages with his debate. He loves people
to come on with strong opinions. He likes different opinions,
and he really wants to push people and understand different perspectives.
He's tough, and he pushes me, and he pushes everyone
else around there.

Speaker 8 (25:44):
Yeah, well he certainly does a lot of Zelenski would
testify to that.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
He's pushing pretty much everyone at the moment. Hey Tory
Farno sounding off today again.

Speaker 8 (25:55):
Oh it's incredible. I mean, having been a rate payer
and Willington for many, many decades, I'm so pleased I'm
not there now having to vote because Tory fun now.
I hope she gets her come up and later this
year when it comes around, because look, this was a
pretty simple thing. The government said to counsels, put up

(26:18):
a plan and we'll see if we can help you
facilitate it. They didn't. The Willington Council didn't reach the deadline.
It was too hard for them. Clearly Canterbury didn't put
up one either, but eighteen other councils did so fun
Oil was very much on her own. But look, she

(26:38):
called them not a very nice person in an interview
that she's just had. But she reckons her exchanges with
the Prime Minister would benefit her politically. She said it
works for her because a lot of people in Wellington
don't like Luxon. This is what upset Funel so much.

Speaker 20 (26:56):
Every other region's been able to come together, work together
over the last six months, has even shown up with
some proposal. That's a real disappointment, I'd say to the
people in the rate payers of Wellington, this is a
great part of the country and yet their leaders at
a local government level can't come together on a regional deal.
Wellington waters are shambles and we've obviously had issues in
the Wellington District Council. So it's a massive missed opportunity

(27:16):
at a time when this government's doing everything it can
to attract capital and infrastructure this country.

Speaker 8 (27:20):
You'd have to say, if you're a rate payer in Wellington,
you would.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Say yes, remember all of those things.

Speaker 8 (27:25):
Remember the billions of dollars that were laid aside to
get Wellington going.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Remember the stop I mean honestly, I mean that there's
a list as long as your arm and yeah, I
mean for her to take that personally and say that
he's a nasty person.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
And Wellington is a great city. I love it.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Not at the moment, well the leadership has die. I
spent a lot of time around the now another bad pole.
This is a new one out to this afternoon.

Speaker 8 (27:52):
This afternoon. This is a Talbot Mills poll and for
their clients, and they are the Labor Party's pollsters. But
having said that, it really does mirror the poll that
came out earlier this week from Curia, which is the
National Party's posters. It shows that National has dropped to
thirty one percent. Labor's steady on thirty four percent down

(28:18):
National is down two percentage points. It's really not good
for the National Party at the moment. Labor and the
Greens and to Party Maori. They would have sixty one
seats in Parliament, which would be enough if an election
was held today to hold the treasury benches. But look
at early days, it's been one hell of a time

(28:41):
to It's like a poison chalice command to government. It
has been so you wouldn't expect a lot different. Although
Chris lux and his personal rating is now three percent
behind Chris Hipkins on twenty four percent. That's a very
low rating for a prime minister.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
But again, it's like getting in It's like getting into
a car that's had the engine taken out of it
and trying to win a race.

Speaker 8 (29:05):
Exactly what it is we talk is out going along.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Like the Flintstones. I mean, it's honestly yeah. And the
governments around the world are finding this problem, aren't they
cost the living and all of that sort of stuff. Anyway,
he's got to turn it around, doesn't he. That's his job.

Speaker 8 (29:20):
He most certainly does, and he believes he can.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
So good luck, just hope, he says, Barry Soper, good
to see you. We'll see you later on. It is
nine minutes away from five News talks, he'd be we'll
have Barbara Edmunds on. Actually we could ask you about
that pole after five o'clock. We're also going to talk
after five about the issue of EDS. If you're a
doctor or a nurse, or an orderly anyone who works
in an ED, you will know that it's a very

(29:44):
violent place. People come in boost you know, they've had
far too much too much to drink, or maybe the
person who's been treated hasn't but their family member has
and they come into the ED and they get all abusive.
I mean, how many security guards can you re realistically
put out a hospital at some point? And I know
doctors and nice people and they have an oath, but

(30:06):
at some point do they not just say, you know what,
you're not being very polite and if you're not going
to be polite, we won't treat you. I know what
I would do if I was a doctor, which is
probably one not a doctor. Nine Away from five News
Talks EDB digging.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Into the issues that affect you the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 11 (30:24):
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Speaker 5 (30:30):
They are being concession in?

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Pretty has about eight billion and is globally onto punishment.

Speaker 11 (30:37):
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the rain drove of the last News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
We're going to get to Barbara Edmonds at five minutes
away from five. Barbara Edmunds here live on the program
after five, we'll find out just how bipartisan they are feeling,
what sort of bipart is mood they were in the
sports huddle of any good and Elliott Smith will be
with us after five point thirty. This evening lots to
talk about, including Liam Lawson over in Melbourne, and after
six we are looking again at this story. And the

(31:12):
only reason we're looking again at the story is because
we've actually going to speak to the guy who invented it.
But the artificial heart, that is a world first, amazing breakthrough.
We're going to speak to the guy who invented that
twenty years ago and now it's been implanted into somebody
into a patient, managed to get them through a couple
of months where they would have otherwise died, and they

(31:34):
now have a replacement heart. It's an amazing story. So
we'll talk about that. And I wanted to give a
shout out this afternoon because we don't often do this,
but when there's good news, there's good news. A shout
out to the crew whoever you are, and to NZTA
have been working on State Highway One. This was a

(31:54):
this is the Desert Road two month closure for major roadworks.
You remember they announced this and they said, I'm sorry,
but it's going to be two months and blah blah,
and everyone went two months, whatever, it's going to be five.
Well they've done it in two months, so congratulations, well done.
Also interesting that they said that they were meant to

(32:14):
do twenty eight kilometers. It actually gets better. They were
meant to do twenty eight kilometers of road. They've managed
to do an extra twelve kilometers of road in that
same time. Now, the whole thing could fall apart tomorrow
and this will become null and void, but hopefully it
sounds the test of time. If you're driven on it today,
give me a text. Interestingly, they had eight hundred trucks

(32:35):
per day that had to be diverted through State Highway
four for those who know the area. Now that road
would usually get only two hundred and forty trucks per day.
They reckon the cost of diverting that. The extra forty
minutes for our road transport one hundred thousand dollars a day.
So that's why infrastructure is so important. That's why good
roads are so important, because when they are inefficient, it

(32:58):
costs all of us. And on that we'll be speaking
to Barbara Edmunds.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Next questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive, show you trust

(33:41):
for the full picture. Brian Bridge on hither duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 18 (33:48):
It'd be good evening.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
It is seven after five news talks. It'd be Labor
says it's keen on foreign investment here in New Zealand,
but not at any costs. Labour's finance spokesperson, Barbara Edmunds
addressed investor, is that the investments summit in Auckland today.
She's with me now, Barbara, good evening. Hi, Rian, Hey,
thanks for being with me. A lot of confusion today
about it because there was talk going into this it's

(34:12):
all bipartisan and morle comb by our and a little
bit of confusion today about exactly what you're saying no to.
So what is your position?

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Thanks?

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Ryan?

Speaker 4 (34:21):
I mean the reason why I went there was actually
show where we will work together and where our boundaries
are as the Labor Party. So what we've said no
to is we welcome for o an investment, but it
needs to be for the right type of assets. And
we've said no to schools, houses, prisons and critical infrastructure
like the series.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
So everything else is open open season. So any roading project,
you're up for tolling, you're up for all sorts, but
just not on those bundes you've outlined.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
We're open to it, and we said to the government,
keep us brief. We've said to investors, keep us brief,
so that we know where you're up to and the
negotiations and how you're going with the contract, because we
know there is a place for PPPs, but actually we
also want to keep some of our critical infrastructure.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Okay, what about you mentioned in your speech about the treaty.
You said we will not do anything that doesn't honor
the treaty. What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (35:17):
So round the treaty, you know, we have the Rima
and some of the treaty principles and the reflections of that.
We had EWE Marti leaders and Marty businesses who were there.
They were really strong on that as well, and they
were saying, we're open, but you also need to understand
we have values.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
So does that mean no fast track?

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Well, we actually fast track came through under labor and
through the advocacy of communities. They changed it so that
it goes from the panel to ministers. So that's the
sort of you know, that's the sort of stuff where
if we can support we will support it. But we
also have to listen to our communities who are telling
us things and they want us to fight for it,
so we will.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
So that you can't have it both ways though, ken you.
I mean, this is the problem. We've got the Prime
Minister up there saying this is great, We've got these projects,
we can fast track them, We've got all these options,
and you're saying now, on the one hand, yes to
fast track. On the other hand, sort of no, Well
we're saying.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yes to where the benefits New Zealand and where there
are where it's values New Zealand. And so actually afterwards
and I speaking to investors, they were just happy there
was clarity around that.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
But what does that actually mean? I mean, doesn't it
all benefit New Zealand?

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Well, is it going to be cheaper?

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Then?

Speaker 4 (36:29):
What that's the question? Will it be cheaper? Will it
be cheaper than doing it if the government did it,
Given the government can borrow cheaper or can actually access
some capital that's much cheaper than through private means.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
So why would you in the detail, why would.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
You bother how different projects, Why would.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
You bother them. I mean, if you're coming on here
saying that it's cheaper for the government to borrow money,
why would you ever bother doing a PPP? And why
are you going to the summit to talk to foreign investors.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
This is why I was invited to and I was
very clear with the government at the time. I said,
when I come, this is what I'm going to talk about.
These are the boundaries. We even stop speeches with Minister Bishop.
So I was there because it's good for a New
Zealent ink that we were there. That's what we were
really pleased with. That's what the government was pleased with them,
and were pleased to be there.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
But actually, at the end of the day, it's not
really what you're into.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Well again Ryan, unless you have the details. We take
a considered approach to this and we wanted to make
sure to investors we were really clear about what's off
the table for us and also we were open.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
But you're not clear. I mean you're not clear though,
are you. You've just told me in the same breath
that you're into PPPs that you'd rather do it with
government borrowing.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Oh what I was saying is we are open to
some PPPs, but not for housing. Sorry, not for house,
not for prisons, not for schools in critical infrastructure. That
was really clear at the summit and really clear in
all our comms, and the investors were really pleased with that.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Okay, And with the treaty you've said you know nothing
that breaches to your Waitengi. So if the White Tangi Tribune,
for example, says, I we can't do that project. Don't
like that project, it's a breach of the of the
treaty rights, would you then not do it.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
I didn't say breaches the treaty. I said honors to
Tursey and those are the values that I set out.
And again it was the same message that they would
have heard from eerie leaders as well.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Right, what is honoring the treaty mean?

Speaker 4 (38:21):
And again it's those principles you know, and it's again
there's littered throughout different acts, in particular Rima. So that's
what I meant by honoring the treaty, also around honoring
the partnership with Marty, and that's why Marty was there,
because they're saying we're open for business, we want to
work with you as well. So it was really consistent
with the other things in the summit, all.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Right, clear as mud. Barbara, I sincerely hope that you
guys can get on the same page, the National Party
and the Labor Party, so that you know we can
all benefit from from potential benefits. Barbara Edmonds, the Labor
Party finance spokesperson, times twelve minutes after five. Almost everyone
working in emergency departments has been abused by drunk people.

(39:04):
This is according to a new trans Tasmin study. A
staggering ninety seven percent experience verbal aggression, ninety two percent
physical aggression, and nearly ninety percent fail unsafe. Doctor Laura
Joyce is a specialist at Christ Church ed In the hospital. There.
She co authored the studies. She's with me now, Hello, Hello,
thank you for talking to me today. Have you can
you just give us an example of when you've been

(39:26):
abused in the hospital.

Speaker 21 (39:28):
I have many examples. It's not an infrequent occurrence. So
patients will come in intoxicated with injuries and we have
to deal with them when they're not being the in
their right mind to be the nicest people. We have
relatives who are intoxicated and we're trying to look after
their elderly loved ones or their children, and they're interfering

(39:51):
in the care of their loved ones because they are intoxicated.
And so this actually affects every person who comes from
d not just the place and not just the stuff,
but everyone who is in the department at the time.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
And how often are people actually throwing punctures, you know,
getting hit?

Speaker 21 (40:09):
We try to avoid that. So we have a number
of de escalation strategies we can use, and we would
hope that we would never need to use those. There
is a lot of verbal aggression occurring. We are very
lucky in christ You at GD that we have security
staff twenty four seven who can help to de escalate
but also protect us in the case of violence.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Is there a part of you, and I know you
have an oath, but is there a part of you
that just goes if these people are coming in here
abusing me, they don't deserve my care.

Speaker 21 (40:40):
I think everyone deserves our care, but we don't deserve
to be treated like this. I don't know any other
industry we're having ninety eight percent of your staff abused
would be considered acceptable, But it just seems to be
par for the course in healthcare and it's not right,
and we know that people will leave the system. They
will leave New Zealand and there'll be no one less

(41:02):
to careful patients.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
What do you do about it? I mean you can
only security. You can't security up the WASO. I mean
that becomes impractical and too expensive. So what can you do?

Speaker 21 (41:12):
No, we need to stop the problem right where it's occurring.
We need to stop alcohol related harm. So alcohol is
cheap and available and you can give it at three
o'clock in the morning from your local alcohol shop. That
might be beside a kennedy, it might be beside a school,
it might be where vulnerable patients live. We need to
restrict the supply of alcohol to reduce the harm that

(41:33):
it's causing.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
If I mean, I've heard this before from from emergency
department doctors. If we don't sell alcohol, I mean people
will find if people want to get high off something,
they'll get high off something, won't they They will.

Speaker 21 (41:47):
But the problem is cheap alcohol. So we need minimum
unit pricing because if you are buying a ten dollars
a bottle of wine, you're going to drink more bottles,
aren't you? No matter what your financial resources we need
to increase and an immunich price on alcohol so that
that cheap, you know, low quality alcohol is not available
to people to do harm to themselves.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
And yeah, okay, interesting, Laura, thank you for that, doctor
Laura Joyce. They study co author specialists in the christ
Church Hospital. Ed. It's quarter past five, Ryan Bridge, just
very lots of texts coming in on Barbara Evans. I'll
get to some of those in just a second, Ryan,
what is honoring the treaty? Mean? Ryan, that was vague.
I guess what what do you want from the opposition
at this point? She basically came on and said everything

(42:30):
and nothing. I mean, we are quite far up from
an election. Do you want to be giving all your
policies away at this point? There's that at play as well.
I'll tell you a little bit after five point thirty
about this woman who has lived to the age of
one hundred and seventeen. While she's now dead, but she
lived at the age of one hundred and seventeen and
they have done a lot of testing on her body
and on her genes and on her microbiome, which is

(42:52):
basically her gut. It's fascinating. That's coming up next. Week
to Melbourne for the latest on Liam Lawson News Talk,
said b coming up after five point thirty. We're in
Melbourne for the f one with Liam Lawson right now
and lots of your text coming on. Barbara Edmons will
get to those shorter. In fact, I'll get to one
right now. I am no clearer. This is from Peter.
I'm no clearer on where Labour stands on PPP. After

(43:13):
Barbara Edmund's fluff talk, all I heard was Labor Party.
Another says Ryan Barbara and her f Barbara and her
lot get in in the next election. My family and
other friends will be off to Australia. Well funny you
say that, Tom, because the next topic we're talking about
is slightly related to that. A former Rossie Home Affairs
secretary is calling for New Zealand to dump our nuclear

(43:36):
free policy and sign up to ORCUS. Michael Pazzullo says
the chances of the conflict with China are high enough
that New Zealand and Australia should be working together to
create a combined military force for our shared territorial defense.
Michael Pezzulo is the former Australian Home Affairs Secretary. He's
with me this evening, Michael, good evening.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
Oh good afternoon from here, and good evening to you.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Thank you. Why do you need why do we need
to be in Orcus? Why does New Zealand need to
be in.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
My concern is less about Orcust, so I'll quickly jump
to that. It's really about having an integrated approach to
our common defense. A lot of the assumptions, both in
Australia and I dare say in New Zealand regarding our
defense are probably several decades old, and in this highly
disrupted world, everything is changing at such a great rate
that we just need to re examine everything. I would

(44:29):
start with a common defense area, the defense of Australia
and New Zealand as the ANZAC area, if you like,
and then from that would flow certain consequences and implications,
including the structure of our militaries, our command and control arrangements,
and how God forbid, if it came to it, how
we would fight a war to defend ourselves.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Wouldn't it effectively make us the little cousin, you know,
the subordinate to your defense forces.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
Well, if you want to be in charge, I suppose
you could flip it the other way. But I mean
I I put it to my very many friends in
New Zealand. I had so many fond memories of professional
associations over four decades in government service. I put this privately.
I'm now a retired pension and so I've put it

(45:15):
to your listeners publicly, the defense of New Zealand. And
this might be a controversial statement, but you know we've
got free thinking hopefully, and we can debate these things.
I would contend starts in the Indian Ocean. In other words,
the defense of New Zealand starts at the outer edge
of the Australian territorial barrier, which are our Indian Ocean territories,
the Cocos Islands, Christmas Island, the Northern Australia, and across

(45:39):
the defensive barrier that we would erect across the North,
across the North, including into the Coral Sea. There's a
very low probability of this occurring. I said in the
podcast that might have triggered the interest that's caused this
interview or given rise this interview that I think the
chances of a military conflict principally between the US and
China is as is around ten to twenty percent, which

(46:02):
the good news is the chance of peace and the
chance of there not being a conflict is obviously eighty
to ninety percent, which is good news. But the problem is,
of course ten to twenty percent probability of something that
you know is disastrous and catastrophically consequential is something you
should do something about.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Do you have any I've been talking to a lot
of people lately about Taiwan and the potential for China
to do a blockade or invade, and that would be
the match that sparks the whole the fire. Do you
have any sense of when this might be happening. I
mean a lot of people speculate about it, but do you,
I mean, how soon do you think that that could

(46:39):
be on the horizon.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Well, look, I'll be very cautious and discreet as I
am in Australian media about talking about anything that I'd
allude to classified matters that I learned in my government service,
which came to an end about eighteen months ago. But
just going off the public record, we have quite a
stark data point from the former head of the CI,
William Burns, who was appointed by President Biden now no

(47:03):
longer an office obviously in February twenty three, so that's
two years and a little bit ago. He gave a
very interesting speech, I think from a memory, was at
Georgetown University. So this is the head of the CIA.
I've heard and seen many public comments by CIA directors
over the years. They typically are very guarded and they
see they say things like where we have some conjecture,

(47:24):
we have an estimates, we have an assessment. Bill Burns,
who is a very moderate person, very careful, thoughtful first
and said two years ago, the CIA knows as quote
and I'm paraphrasing, but it's close enough knows as a
matter of intelligence. The president she has given directions to
his military to at least have the option available to

(47:48):
the Chinese leadership to launch a military operation to annexed
Taiwan from February twenty seven onwards. So, in other words,
less than two years away. Burns was at State was
it pains to say that no decision had been taken
at that point, that was two years ago, and that
it was really about ensuring that the military is ready.

(48:08):
But that alone is stark enough and concerning enough that
they're at least giving themselves the option if they can't
achieve a resolution of this matter to their satisfaction otherwise
of giving them self the option of violence, and that
is self concerning.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, a fascinating too, Michael, thank you very much for
coming on the show. That's Michael Pasilla. He's the former
Australian Home Affairs Secretary. Of course Taiwan. If Taiwan kicks off,
it all kicks off. And even if there is no
military involvement to do with New Zealand, our trade would
be absolutely buggered if that kicked off. So to hear

(48:46):
those kinds of dates, I mean, I know it's all speculation,
who really knows, but fascinating stuff. Twenty four minutes after
five news talks there'd be were in Melbourne after news.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Moving the big stories of the d Forward Bridge on
Hither duper c Allen Drey with one New Zealand Let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
That'd be twenty seven after five. Great to have you
listening on this Friday evening. Lots of texts on the EDS,
actually a disgusting and shocking amount of texts on the EDS,
particularly from people who work in emergency departments like nurses
and doctors, saying basically happens all the time. We get
sworn out, we get punched, we get abused. It's just

(49:24):
not a nice working environment. And actually a couple here
on the Desert Road which is now open. It's open early,
and I was just saying earlier, well done to n ZTA,
well done to the contractors who was working on it.
And honestly, you can't please everyone. Hi, Ryan, I'm just
driven across the desert Road. It's not finished, still lots
of roadworks in traffic delays regards trish, thank you for that.
They did say today in their release, Actually z TAB

(49:46):
that it'll be another four days or so of patchiness,
but at least they've got it open unless you can
pass through State Highway one early opening thanks to Lakeland
Excavation from Topoor apparently did a great job. And another
here there is no way I'm not appording ends today
when it takes five years to build an iffing roundabout

(50:06):
and they have plenty there, morons, So you'll just never
win sometimes. Twenty eight minutes after five this talk said,
be we're off to Melbourne next after news and the
sports hurdle coming your way to.

Speaker 12 (50:21):
Need two step with the woman I love. Yeah, we
needed a stick.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's
Ryan Bridge on hither dupic allan drive with one New Zealand.
Let's get connected news talk, said.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
B look at you.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
You're taking me with ordinary would you name to the Jerry.

Speaker 22 (51:00):
Trunk.

Speaker 13 (51:04):
Good evening.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
It is twenty four minutes away from six year old
news talks. They'd be hey, I said earlier, actually yesterday
I said, there'll be nothing tangible or announceable from the
government out of this investor summit in Auckland. And it's
not come from the government, but this is a tangible thing.
So in Auckland right now drilling underneath it up to
one hundred meters underground for this Central Interceptor project, which

(51:26):
is to try and get all of the literally all
of our feces out of the ocean so that we
can swim in the beaches. It's a wastewater treatment thing.
The tunnelers for that are an Italian outfit and they
are in New Zealand at the moment. They've got their
workers here, they've got their machinery here. They have announced
this afternoon that as a result of this proposed pipeline

(51:49):
of infrastructure projects that have been announced that the investment summit.
Because of that, they are going to keep their equipment
here and their investment here, which I mean that is significant.
That is, that is not an insignificant thing to say
for a business that would otherwise have have presumably up

(52:09):
and left twenty three minutes away from six now.

Speaker 18 (52:14):
Bridge.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I'm going to get to the sports huddle in just
a second right now. Liam Lawson the man in the moment.
He's completed his first practice session as a full time
Red Bull Formula One driver, and he's already had a
pretty close call. He was going around the Melbourne circuit.
He's slightly grazable on a turn.

Speaker 18 (52:31):
Have a listen, such a Harto just on the entry
of Satin nine, like just brushed it.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Liam finished the first practice session with the sixteenth fastest
time and the ESPNF one writer in Melbourne is Nate Saunders,
who joins us now for more. Nate, good afternoon to you.
Good evening from us. How's our boy Liam looking?

Speaker 13 (52:53):
Hey? How are you doing? Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 23 (52:54):
It was a close call for him and I think
probably a pretty you know, standard start his Red Bull career.
You know, he was down the order a little bit,
but when you're in a new team like that, that's
pretty much pretty much the first thing you've got to
do is just make sure you don't.

Speaker 13 (53:07):
Put your car in the wall.

Speaker 23 (53:08):
So I think, you know, a slide starts the weekend,
and we've got another practice session coming up in.

Speaker 13 (53:13):
A little bit as well.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Who's performing Who do you need debat? Who's performing? Be
so far well?

Speaker 23 (53:18):
Rebel are an interesting spot because I think one of
the big things we're all looking to see is where
they sit in that top four. We think McLaren pretty
much look like the team to beat. They maybe are
a tiny bit ahead of the rest, but then that
three team gap group behind them looks super close. You've
got obviously Ferrari who ran McLaren really closed last year.
You've got Redbell in there, but Mercedes are going to
have stepped up as well. So really for Redbell, what

(53:39):
they're looking to do is just finish, you know, in
a competitive spot in that kind of in that three
car team.

Speaker 13 (53:44):
But Max look quick as he always does.

Speaker 23 (53:46):
And I think Liam's job, as you know, as a
new guy in the team, I think his big thing
is just to not be kind of disgraced in that
early spell by Max because so many teammates of maxistappen
start on a slow footing and just never really recover.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
So if you, I think the first thing you got
to do is just.

Speaker 13 (54:01):
Make sure he's close to match. I'm not sure if beating.

Speaker 23 (54:03):
Him straight up against you know, the most realistic thing,
just given that he's the reigning four time world champion,
but it's super tight up there and he should have
a pretty competitive car. It just you know, I think
I think I actually spoke to him earlier and he
said that everything he's doing is just it's just about
easing himself in. You know, it's a long, long season,
twenty four races. He doesn't need to go out and
be a hero on day one or session one, and
I think that's quite a smart way for him to

(54:24):
have approached. Is well, everyone's saying he's a he's a rookie.
It's not his he's not officially a rookie, I guess,
because he's had ten races over two seasons, but it's
his first full season and Formula one, so no need
to kind of you know, get off to some flying
start and make.

Speaker 13 (54:38):
You know, make some big mistake and have all the
pressure on you suddenly.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
So I think he's I think.

Speaker 23 (54:41):
He's looking pretty pretty solid and he's taking a sensible
approach to that, because.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
You would be feeling, as you say, he's done being
the seat before, but not as a full time so
you would be feeling a bit appreciare. What's the atmosphere
like that? I can hear a bit of it behind you.
What's the atmospheel like there night?

Speaker 13 (54:56):
Yeah, I wasn't sure how much you could pick up.
It's great, honestly.

Speaker 23 (54:58):
I mean, obviously Australia this year is the host event,
and I think for a lot of us who grew
up watching racing in the nineties and early two thousands,
this was the opening race and it's a good reason
why it was so popular, you know. It's just it's
just so there's so many fans here. It's such a
colorful and noisy place. Obviously they've got Oscar Piastri to
cheer on for the local fans, but I've got to
say I heard a massive cheer earlier.

Speaker 13 (55:18):
When I was walking into the circuit. They have something
called the Melbourne Mile here.

Speaker 23 (55:22):
It's the Melbourne Walk where all the drivers come in
and I assumed, oh, must be Lewis or it must
be must be matched.

Speaker 13 (55:27):
It was actually Liam getting a really really big reception.

Speaker 23 (55:29):
I think that, you know, maybe maybe in other sports
the Australian New Zealand rival is a bit stronger, but here, you.

Speaker 13 (55:34):
Know, it seems to be quite embraced quite well.

Speaker 23 (55:35):
So yeah, it's a great place for fans, great great
circuit and it will go back to Bahrain next year,
which I looks a shame because I think this to
kick the season off, and especially for those of us
who used to play all the former one games growing
up as well, this is always the one you played
straight out of the gate, so it feels feels more familiar,
and I think the.

Speaker 13 (55:52):
Drivers like it as well. So yeah, really really really
good atmosphere.

Speaker 23 (55:54):
And actually there's a practice session about to start, so
there's a few drivers walking past me kind of looking
very there is very Intensive're about to go back into
their racing cards.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Sounds fantastic. We'll lead you back to at Nate Nate
Saunders espn IF one writer with us from Melbourne, nineteen
minutes away from six.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
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Speaker 9 (56:15):
Find you're one of the kind that it's lot, then
next fight will be the one after he's right up
to you.

Speaker 13 (56:27):
He's ranked one. He's creatible.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
The fans want to see it, so they can only
dodge from so long.

Speaker 9 (56:32):
Docked it down and out of it, get locked up.
I want to know that to laugh you want?

Speaker 2 (56:37):
He takes it down, quands up.

Speaker 9 (56:41):
On top of Stephen Adams. It's like a free ball
wrestling match out there.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Got another ary Oh no, no, no, no coming fright.

Speaker 9 (56:48):
No, I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I'm from New Zealand. We've got red stars. Not why oi,
I'm not doing it. And he didn't do it on
the project in Australia that was leaming Lawson to the end.
The Elliott Smith News Talks he bet sports News directors
with us this evening, Hey, Elliott evening, Hayden, good to
see ye and Levina good is here a sports journalist.
Good evening to you.

Speaker 24 (57:08):
Yeah, good evening from tying A.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Nice to chat O, Nice to have you on. Nice
to meet you. Levina. We'll start with you, actually, Levina,
because we've just been to Melbourne. It sounds like an
awesome place. To be this weekend, the big race of
courses on Sunday, and we asked Jason Pine, who's with
us here at News Talks. Heb earlier what does success
look like for Liam Lawson? Is he basically just don't crash?
Is that summon up?

Speaker 13 (57:31):
Yeah? I agree.

Speaker 24 (57:32):
I mean it's been seven years since New Zealand had
a full time Formula One driver and I think you
really don't have to love this sport to appreciate what
Liam Lawson has achieved. And he's got a twenty four
week season to prove himself a little shaky in that
first practice run, but the thing is the car is
still there. There's loads of pressure on him, but he
obviously thrives under pressure. And the big thing for me,

(57:55):
and also when you conducted that interview, I think the
Australian fans will back him even though he replaced their
favorite Daniel Ricardo in six races last year. But the
Australians love a butler and Liam Lawson is a butler.
And I tell you what New Zealand will be gripped
watching the race this weekend.

Speaker 22 (58:11):
How many quis do you think have gone over for
the weekend because as soon as he got announce Yeah,
but so many I reckon people would have circled that
one and gone that's the easiest Formula One. It's the debut,
race room and Red Bull and they want to go
and cheer him on. And as we say there before,
you have plenty of cheers for the Kiwi. Look, he's
not going to make or break his contract in this
opening weekend. But what he can do is just win

(58:32):
some of those supporters over because there were question marks
not here in New Zealand around whether he should have
got the seat. We're all for that of course, but
around the globe there are a few other options that
they maybe could have gone with Red Bull that backed
him into the seat. What he can do is start
winning some of those people over around the globe. He's
got such a winning personality as well. Liam Lawson really
looking forward to seeing him out on track and hoping
that the success follows him there too.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Absolutely. What about success for the Warriors tonight in Levena.

Speaker 24 (58:57):
Oh my goodness. I was in Sydney last week and
along to the Manly match and they put thirty points
on the Cowboys and I thought, actually that was the
best performance of round one. Yes, better than the Broncos,
as everyone else will say, and I know it's a
near sellout crowd, but it will be hard going for
the Warriors. I just feel as though they're lacking structure
and attack at the moment, and defensively there were just

(59:19):
too many holes and Manly are looking strong. I am
glad that Jazz Tebunger gets a chance to play against
the Warriors. He played one hundred and thirty matches for
the Warriors, so that will be something exciting for the
fans as well. But the Warriors have only won one
from six against Manly, one of their last six matches,
and I think it'll be one from seven, although I
did mention it's an ear sellout crowd and those loyal

(59:42):
Warriors fan don't mind too much how they go. But
it would be good to see them do some tackling
this time against the Raiders. Defense wins game.

Speaker 22 (59:50):
That would be a start, wouldn't it After what we
saw in Las Vegas where defense filer optional. I agree
with you, Leviny, you were very up close, so I
thought that the performance of Manly is very very good.
They played that last week. I don't know if the
Warriors can stick with them tonight. It's going to be
a dry track in Auckland. The conditions are going to
be pretty pretty good, and the Warriors just didn't seem
to have any idea where they needed to be on attack.

(01:00:12):
You know, the best half backs, best attacking structures in
the game. They're looking two players ahead to go, where
do we need to be on tackle five when they're
in tackle three at that point in time. We didn't
see that in Las Vegas, didn't see any defensive structure.
But those time fans with the Warriors are worth a
few points. You just wonder how much they will last.
The full house signed that the Warriors have become accustomed
to over the last couple of seasons, ever since they

(01:00:33):
got back after COVID, how long that will last if
the results don't follow them. I think this is a
pretty big back game for the Warriors, and it's the
only Round two of the season. But they were so
dismal first up. They need to put something on the board.
Tonight lacked a lot of omph.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
They plenty of There's a red moon tonight, a blood
moon tonight, so I'm thinking that might bring in a
Warrior out. Is that good news for bad News. Is
it an home Goman. I think it's a good omen.
I think it's a good omen for the Warriors. Well,
we'll have to wait and see. Alliot Smith Levena Good
on the Sports Huddle back in just a second.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
The Friday Sports Tititle with New Zealand South Ofy's International.

Speaker 9 (01:01:06):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Eleven to six News Talk ZBB, Elliott Smith, Newstalk zbb's
voice of Rugby, and Levina Good sports journalist on the
Sports Huddle tonight. Joseph Park A lot of chat about
this in the last couple of days. Is he going
to get Elliott a title shot? And if so, is
he going to win it?

Speaker 22 (01:01:22):
I think he's capable of. He's had a great second
wind in his career because a few years ago, three
or four years ago, maybe a wee bit longer, it
felt like he was just sort of in the journeyman fights.
He wasn't really getting anything that was going to put
his name up in lights again after he had lost
his world title fight and foot Joshua a few years ago.
Now he's had a bit of a second wind, and

(01:01:43):
you've got a feel for the guy. A couple of
weeks ago, who's supposed to have that world title fight
against end Duboia, and then on the morning of or
sort of, you know, twenty four hours beforehand, they decided,
if you do sick, he's not going to get it.
Let's hope that this gets across the line, because he's
been given the run around a couple of times now
around his title shot, and I think the promoters have
done well to not rock the book too much. Because

(01:02:04):
boxing's are sport about egos and various things. He said
the wrong thing, you basically get off side with these people.
So look, I hope he gets a title shot the
form that he's coming to, the shape that he's in
in the latter stages of his career. I said, latter
of stages. You know, he's still looking very very good.
I think he'd win a fight, I really do. I
think he's got the knockout punch that maybe didn't have
in the early part of his career.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
It's interesting that.

Speaker 24 (01:02:24):
Very us Sorry, yeah, I was just gonna say I
like to make an official apology to Joseph Parker because
a year and a half ago, I thought he was
just fighting as a journeyman. As Elliott said just for money,
and then you go twelve twelve months down the line
and he defeats John Tay Wilder didn't No one expected
him to do that. Jung as well, and then he
knocked out for Coli. I mean, it's been a really

(01:02:45):
good run for the last twelve months and if you
think about it, Fury is gone, Joshua is no longer
in form. He's in the top three. But I don't
think this fight will go ahead against Usik because there's
not enough money in it for Usik. He'll pick De Bois,
He'll get a sellout crowd and make heaps more money.
And boxing is so funny, isn't it. Like most sports,
when a sanctioning body says you have to do something,

(01:03:08):
you have to do it, but in boxing you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
It's just such a weird. I'm learning so much about
this bizarre sport this week, and how many different federations
are there and acronyms. Yeah, goodness me.

Speaker 13 (01:03:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
The Super Rugby season kicked off to a flaming good
start and somebody suggesting today I think it was the
Napier saying there are only eleven teams.

Speaker 22 (01:03:32):
Is that something to do with it quite well be
because the Melbourne Rebels dissolved after last year. They couldn't
pay their bills, they were in administration, so they're gone.
So it's eleven teams, which is an ideal number for
the shape of the competition. Ideally you'd have an even
number makes it easier for the buyers. But what it
has done all the Australian teams have picked off the
best Rebels players and they've risen up as a result,

(01:03:53):
and they're more competitive against the New Zealand sides. And
I think the New Zealand sides are all relatively even,
with perhaps the Chiefs just poping their head up above
and being just above the rest of the New Zealand TEMs.
It has been really really even. We're four weeks and
start a week five tonight and there hasn't been a blowout.
There hasn't been a bad game among them, which is
very very rare for Super rugby. In recent years. You've

(01:04:13):
had the Rebels being pummeled, you have poor old more
Onna Pacifica copping hidings that drew it as well. There
hasn't been blowers and each game has been really really close,
and at this point of the season there's no whipping Boys,
and every team has had at least one loss apart
from the Warritas, so it's a great start for the
competition and a couple of big Kiwi darby's this weekend
that could make or break seasons and will already into

(01:04:35):
Week five. It has been a superb start and I
think the reduced number of teams has a lot to
do with it.

Speaker 24 (01:04:41):
Well, I'm a massive rugby league fan, as most people know,
and I never rape about rugby, but after apologizing to
Joseph Parker, I have to let the fans know I've
really enjoyed the start of the rugby season and I
think the rebirth is here and it's mainly because it's
competitive and close. Every team has had to win and
only four rounds in that's outstanding. Last year the Hurricanes

(01:05:01):
topped the regular season. Now there last I agree condensing
that Australian The Australian teams down to foremant that there's
more talent pool out there to be chosen from. The
Brumbies notched up their first win at Eden Park in
twelve years, and the Chiefs are no longer the IT teams,
so fewer teams short of season, keep the punters craving
for more. And I'm like in the look of the Highlanders,

(01:05:22):
even though I'm in Chiefs Territory.

Speaker 9 (01:05:24):
I like the Highlanders.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Hey, do you have any idea what they viewer ship
numbers are like? I mean, because everyone's been saying it's
so great.

Speaker 22 (01:05:31):
We've been up up the season. I have percent to
join me, but they're up compared to last year, which
was up on the year before. So I know that
Sky is happy on No New Zealand Rugby is very
happy with the way that the season starts.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Interesting. So the changes that have been made are actually
working out working Yeah, so it can be saved, I
think quite possibly.

Speaker 22 (01:05:51):
I think you there are a lot of questions when
South Africa left and then the rejig of the competition.
But we're beginning maybe, and I was a doubter as well,
We're beginning now to see maybe the format actually finding
its feet.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Very cool. We'll look forward to seeing more of it.
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Coming up after the news at six o'clock, We're going
to talk to the guy who invented an artificial heart
in Australia, saving lives. A woman one hundred and seventeen
years old. She's died. They basically looked into her body.
What was behind her longevity. It's her gut health and

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where did she get her gut health from her genes?
She one hundred and seventeen years old. Only problems she
had in life were joint pain and hearing loss. Pretty amazing.

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Plus Gavin Gray is in the UK right now. We're
heading to Australia. Doctors there have made history this week.
Their patient became the first person in the world to

(01:07:43):
live with a mechanical heart for more than one hundred
days before receiving a donor heart transplant and been able
to live. The artificial heart was invented by Australian engineer
doctor Daniel Timms. He is said to be a It
is said to be a huge step forward in heart medicine.
Doctor Daniel Thims is with me now, gid A, how

(01:08:05):
are you doing really good? Thanks for being with me.
Can you describe for our listeners what this artificial heart
looks like.

Speaker 26 (01:08:15):
Yeah, actually, it looks like something you might pull out
of the under the kitchen sink. It looks like a
titanium pump. Some people even described it as a nineteen
seventy four DUTs in carbaretta. It does not look like
an artificial heart, but it absolutely functions like a normal heart.
And that's really what the key is and the groundbreaking
design of this device.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Oh and I want to come to that in sick
But how did you come up with the design? That
was twenty years ago that you first sort of invented it,
And it was to do with your dad right, totally.

Speaker 26 (01:08:46):
Yeah, so he was a plumber by training. Unfortunately a
round about a stage where I was completing my engineering
studies in mechanical engineering, and unfortunately he developed heart failure.
So we're like, well, what can I apply my engineering
skills too, Maybe try to to work on a pump
that might be able to pump the blood around, might
be able to help him one day. But together we
worked on that for probably five or six years, you know,

(01:09:09):
going bits and bobs, no money at all, but just
going to local hardware stores and just trying out different
prototypes of what ideas we might be able to make.
But yeah, effectively the idea was born out of that backgrounds.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
What is the hard bit about making an artificial heart?
What is the biggest challenge that you face when you're
trying to do this?

Speaker 26 (01:09:29):
Durability? So you can imagine, and it's so scary, like
you're pulling out somebody's heart completely and you put a
machine in its place and you're relying on that. Then
that machine cannot stop right, so it can't wear out.
And our previous artificial hearts they're attempted to mimic the
way that the natural heart beats so you have a
compress air sack or bladder with four mechanical valves. It's

(01:09:50):
lots of moving parts and squeezing things that can eventually
wear out, so they are only used for a bridge,
like a temporary support device. What we wanted to do
was making sure device that could last forever, and the
way we did that was doing away with that squeezing
action of the heart and instead used a spinning disc basically,
a rapidly spinning disc like an fan or a propeller

(01:10:11):
on the back of a boat to propel the blood forward.
And that disc is magnetically levitated, so we use levitations
like they do in the trains in Asia, so there's
no friction, there's no mechanical where the thing is durable,
which is the biggest challenge with an artificial heart.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Does it need a battery?

Speaker 26 (01:10:29):
It does, so the device is powered through a wire
that protrudes through the tummy basically, and it goes off
to a lunchbox sized control box that has batteries attached,
and those batteries powered the device through that wire.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
This patient who doesn't want to be named, so we
can't use their name, but you've met with this patient.
What did it do for them? And how long was
it inside them?

Speaker 26 (01:10:54):
Yeah, so it was remarkably life changing for the patient.
He could barely walk ten meters from his bed prior
to the surgery with the artificial heart, and after he
got the heart, he had the device for three and
a half months, just over one hundred days, and that
was enabling him actually to leave the hospital, walk around
the streets of Sydney, going shopping, going about his normal

(01:11:16):
daily activities, something that he'd never had a chance to
be able to do when he was suffering from heart failure, and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
That allowed enough time in order to get a heart transplant.
So it's buying time basically.

Speaker 26 (01:11:31):
Yeah, I mean, that's the initial stage that we're utilizing
the device for, is to buy time until a transplant
can be made available and also recover the patient, so
all the other organs that are suffering from low blood
flow from heart failure get better. But our ultimate goal
on the back of their success is to eventually have
patients not have to return to the hospital to get
a heart transplant at all, and they just remain on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
This device for the rest of their life, so one
day we might not need human hearts.

Speaker 26 (01:12:00):
That's a pretty lofty goal. But at the end of
the day as well, like heart transplantation doesn't have its limitation.
You know, there's fifty percent survival at ten years do
to the anti rejection drugs. You're putting somebody else's heart
in your body. The body doesn't know it, it doesn't
like it being there, so it tries to reject it.
Out go to really reduce your in system in those recipients,
and that comes with a lot of complications that end

(01:12:21):
up in you know, not the greatest outcome after a
period of time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
It's quite a personal thing a heart. Obviously, How does
it feel, especially given the history of this with your dad,
how does it feel knowing that this man, this patient
was walking around with something you invented in them and
that was basically keeping them going.

Speaker 26 (01:12:43):
Yeah, it was pretty surreal. I mean I've spent a
lot of time with the patient over that duration of time,
firstly to give him a better confidence that we're there
all the time, but also to learn from him. You know,
how do you feel, is there anything we can do
differently to make your quality of life so we can
keep improving it for the next patient. And actually he
was brought in entirely to that he felt. And it

(01:13:07):
actually kind of comes out in the fact that he
wanted to remain anonymous. Is the fact that he was
doing this for himself obviously, but then also for all
the patients he could come beyond him. So he brought
into the idea of giving us that feedback and understanding
of how he was feeling and what we can do
into the future.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
What did he say about how it felt?

Speaker 26 (01:13:27):
Actually, we asked him that directly, can you feel it
at all? He's like, no, I can't feel it at all.
And he said the only time I could hear it
was in the dead of the night when I went home.
He said, in the hospital there's deeps and all that
you can't hear, But in the dead of the night,
in the middle of the night, kind of could just
hear a little bit of a worring, you know, like oooh.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
And that was about it. Pretty incredible. What's the reaction
being like to this, to this development, particularly with this patient,
but to the invention in general. What's the reaction being
like from you know, the medical fraternity and from patients.

Speaker 26 (01:14:01):
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty much providing hope for patients,
right because there's a lot of patients out there that
just don't have any hope. They're waiting for a heart
transplant that may not ever come, so yeah, from them,
it gives them that hope. For the medical community, they understand,
for decades people have been trying to develop an artificial
heart as an alternative to transplant because there just aren't

(01:14:21):
enough donor organs around for all those that need it.
The medical community is extremely excited and you know, bullish
on this kind of technology because artificial heart is durable,
is something that's been out of our grasp for all
of those decades, and finally there's something available here that
might be able to challenge the usual standards care of

(01:14:41):
heart fairly patients.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
What do you reckon your date would think of all less, Daniel, Yes,
it'd be pretty.

Speaker 26 (01:14:48):
He'd be pretty stoked. But yeah, it is you know
as myself as well, staying humble and knowing there's so
many milestones that had so you just be is like,
that's a good little milestone, Daniel, but there's still plenty
more to co So keep your head down and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Keep working well, keep up the good work, because you're
doing good work for all of us. Daniel, really appreciate
your time. That's doctor Daniel Timothy's the inventor, Australian inventor
of an artificial heart who's been making headlines around the
world this week fourteen after six Now Barry Soper next,
wrapping the weekend politics.

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sometime soon, Ryan Bridge, you're on News Talks EV. It's
just gone six eighteen. Barry Soper is our sceneiorar political
correspondent and he's back to rap the political week. Welcome back, Barry.

Speaker 8 (01:16:43):
Nice to be here again.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Luxon is off to India and Winston Peter's off to Washington.
A couple of big trips.

Speaker 8 (01:16:49):
Well they are amazing trips when you consider it, both
countries extraordinarily important to New Zealand. We look at Winston
Peter's first. He's on as way to Washington as we speak,
and you know he'll be meeting with Rubio, the Secretary
of State from the United States. Interestingly, Rubio wasn't one
part of the envoy that went to essentially talk to

(01:17:13):
Vladimir Putin about the Yugoslavian about the Ukrainian situation, which
I found surprising. But nevertheless, Winston will have a word
in his here, and I think he's the right man
to be doing it, because Winston is very good at diplomacy.
I've been in Washington with Winston in the past, although
when I went with him was about like where's Wally

(01:17:36):
in Washington? Because he went there saying he was going
to afford to Aprochmont with the United States, and three
of us went out there to try and find him.
He wouldn't tell us where he was. We caught up
with him in John McCain's office, who later became the
Republican nominee for the presidency. McCain was really happy to
see us, but Winston wasn't. So he'll have a few

(01:17:58):
media with him this time, and you know, the meetings
are important for New Zeala to get any exemptions, like
he'll try.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
I mean, we're obviously trying. And Rosemary Banks's who he
brought back yes into that position in Washington, DC, because
she has good links with the Republicans. You know, he
is a smooth operator, Winston.

Speaker 8 (01:18:20):
He's a charmer. Yeah, always looks good, always says the
right thing. And not at home in politics and that maybe,
but he's very good on the international stage. I've seen
him operate. But the other important mission, of course is
Chris Luckson leading the trade mission to India. Now I've
been on several of these, going back to David Longie

(01:18:42):
and the Indians really do lay it on and face
to face to the Indians is very important. And when
you consider that, Nanaiamahota, the former Foreign Minister for the
Labor Party, sort of threw her hands in the air
and said that I give up with India. You can't
give up with the country one point four or five
billion people, that's going to be the third biggest economy

(01:19:04):
in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Just don't bring your butter in your milk. That's the
only problem that will be the problem. But you know, look,
you've got to start somewhere, don't you.

Speaker 8 (01:19:12):
Well, the fact of the matter is the Indians a
bit like the Chinese are now, you know, coming into
the modern world and the becoming much more sophisticated in
that country. As an Impovu's country, just like China was
not too long ago, and so you know the dollar
can be certainly spent in those countries and New Zealand
has to take the opportunity. And if we do get

(01:19:34):
a trade agreement, it will be short of what we
would want, not the same as we've got with China.
But nevertheless, any trade agreement when we export at the
moment one point five percent of our exports to India
is worth something.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
You'd take a non gold plated trade agreement with anyday
and you'd be one of them. You'd probably be actually
one of the first in the world to have one
with India too. Now this opinion poll about this week
the pole that wasn't that great for lux and taking
it in astride you reckon? How do you reckon? He's
feeling about him?

Speaker 8 (01:20:03):
Well, you know he won't be happy about it. Luxon
has been cane from the moment he came into politics. Really,
when you consider it, he's only a four year veteran
of politics, which is really very much a rookie, and
a year in the Prime minister's job. It's not like
being the chief executive of a company. It's a bloody
hard job because you're particularly in a coalition government, you've

(01:20:26):
got to take everybody else into account before any decisions
are made.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
You're right, he has been cane from the outset. I
was talking to my partner last night and he said,
oh yeah, I knew the media had it in for
him from the Rose Garden. Remember he did those series
of interviews in the Rose Garden down in Wellington, the
Botanical Gardens, the blood bath at the Rose Garden. It
was all about abortion, yes, remember, and they were saying, oh,
you know you're anti abortion, You're going to change the laws.

(01:20:50):
I mean there has been a theme, hasn't there when you.

Speaker 8 (01:20:52):
Consider that Bill English. You know he got the job
of John Key he was anti abortion as well, and
he won the election that Justin Dern was anointed by
Winston Peterson. He got seven percent more than the Labor Party,
So that sort of issue. I think they're not going
to change the law at all. But people have to

(01:21:15):
be able to have their own views and that's important
in politics and anywhere in life. So you know, I
think Luxeon has been came from the start. He's found
it very hard. I think, certainly because of the state
of the economy, and that's not beating a political drum.
That's stating a reality that the final three years of

(01:21:36):
the Labor alone government was disastrous for this economy and
it's taking a lot of putting it back together. And
of course the realization of the gains won't be seen
probably hopefully for Luxon's sake, an election year next year.
Before then, it's still going to be tough.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Yeah, certainly will be. Barry, thank you for that, Barry Soaper,
our senior political correspondent twenty four minutes after six here
on News talks 'b our Asia Business correspondent is Peter Lewis.
He's with us after the news at six thirty. Be
interesting to see how those towersts that Trump's put on
they've come into effect now and steal an aluminium, how
they're affecting China. He's across all of that for us shortly.

Speaker 9 (01:22:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Seven so Bowel cancer, the screening age. We were talking
about this on the show yesterday. If you missed it,
they have the government lowered the age to fifty eight
for everybody, but in order to pay for that, they
had to increase the age from because it was a
much lower age from fifty up to fifty eight for
Mardi and Pacifica. So the question we were asking yesterday
is is what the Minister said true. He said, doesn't

(01:22:52):
matter what race you are, you're at no increased or
elevated risk of getting bowel cancer. And this was disputed
by doctors. We had it back and forth on the
show yesterday. Anyway, we got the numbers from the Ministry
of Health. The Ministry of Health basically said that the
minister what they told the Minister was right. There's no
statistically significant difference or greater chance of you getting bow

(01:23:17):
cancer at any age depending on what your race is.
That's according to the Ministry of Health. So there you go,
deal with that what you will. That made their decision. Anyway,
they're not moving back on it, and the Minister says
it all save an extra one hundred and seventy odd
lives over twenty five years. So there you go. Twenty
eight after six news talks, that'd be Peter Lewis out
of Hong Kong.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Next encroaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan
Bridge with the business hour and mas insurance and investments.
Grew your wealth, protect your future.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
The news talks be.

Speaker 9 (01:24:01):
You're just feeling down, make.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
You happy, putting more away from the center news talks
EBB on your Friday evening. If you hate the school
lunch story, then well I just don't know how to
do this other than just give it to you straight.
So there was a so called exploding meal that didn't

(01:24:26):
actually explode. And it's not funny. It's not funny. But
there's frozen meals. These meals this frozen, rock solid. There
were hundreds of them, and they students had two microwaves
to try and reheat them, scrambling to reheat them over
several hours and weren't ready for lunch time. Now, that
is not good enough. That is a breach of the contract,
I'm sure, because you expect the food to be edible.

(01:24:48):
That is something that you will deal with. But for
most of the students and most of the meals it
is it seems to be going pretty well. But we
don't report that because we're that's what the media does.
Just looks at the bad stuff and by the way,
if this was any other minister was just talking to
Laura about this. If this was any other minister, they

(01:25:10):
would already be gone. They would have already either fallen
on their sword or they would have been pushed aside
by the dear Leader. But because it's this coalition agreement,
it's slightly awkward, and David Semoa doesn't want to relinquish
it because then his admitting defeat on the policy, whereas
it's just a perception problem. It's an optics problem, and
the Prime Minister would, ordinarily, if it was one of

(01:25:31):
his MP's just give them the flick, you know. But
it's more complicated than that. Twenty three minutes away from
seven Bryan Bridge, Peter Lewis is with US our Asia
Business correspondent Peter Good Evening, Hi, Ryan. Now the US
still and aluminum tariffs come into effect and a China
is going to be affected as well? Is that how badly?

Speaker 27 (01:25:52):
Well, it's important because these twenty five percent tariffs don't
have any exemptions, which is upset countries like Australia and Japan,
which we're hoping they were going to get exempted, but
everyone has to pay them and What's more, it doesn't
just affect raw steel and aluminium, because Trump has expanded
these metal tariffs to apply to a wide range of

(01:26:16):
products that contain aliminium and steel. So things like tennis, rackets,
exercise bikes, furniture, air conditioning units all have tariffs on them.
So that means there's about one hundred and fifty billion
dollars worth of imported consumer goods into the US that
get hit with these new tariffs in addition to raw

(01:26:37):
steel and aliminium. Now this affects China. China's highly vulnerable
to the risk of a global trade war because although
the US directly takes about fifteen percent of China's exports,
a lot more goods end up in the US being
shipped via third countries like Vietnam, Mexico, Thailand, and so

(01:27:00):
if the US continues to raise tariffs, this will slash
quite an important driver of growth for China that's contributed
to about a third of China's economic expansion last year.
The problem China has it just doesn't really know what
it's got to do to please Donald Trump. Because in

(01:27:23):
the case of China, this isn't just about trade deficits
and moving manufacturing back to the US, boosting US industrial production.
They're being blamed for the fentanyl crisis. The US thinks
it should do more. China says we've already done a
lot in terms of trying to deal with this, and

(01:27:44):
this is really your problem. And there were some quite
strong words in fact from the Foreign minister Wang Yi,
who called Trump two faced and said what he was
doing was just not good for bilateral relations. They haven't
responded specifically yet to these tariffs, but then interesting development

(01:28:05):
yesterday was that Chinese government summoned Walmart executives to tell
them that they can put pressure on Chinese suppliers to
cut their prices. This is one of the ways in
which US importers and retailers could try and deal with
Trump tariffs, or China has made it very clear these
are your tariffs, these are US tariffs. Don't expect to

(01:28:28):
pass them on to Chinese suppliers because they're not going
to pay. So that means really companies like Walmarts and
other importers, they only have two ways of doing this.
They either absorb the tariffs themselves, which is going to
cut substantially into their profit margins, or they pass it
on to US consumers, which is going to be inflationary
or maybe a combination of both. But China has made

(01:28:51):
it clear, don't come to us and expect us to
bear the cost of these tariffs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I do have some sympathy for China in this position
because because it's not like Mexico, where it's clear cut
what the issue is and that's the border and it's immigration.
Here they are saying, and I listened to the press
conference from the White House this week, they said, you know,
China is getting rich off ventanyl. I mean almost like

(01:29:17):
the government was involved in the shipment of ventanyl, you know,
I mean, how do you respond to that?

Speaker 27 (01:29:23):
Yeah, well, well that's been the problem. And they say
that under the Biden administration they made a lot of
progress in cutting the components of fentanyl that were being
exported to the US, and that was continuing. So they
don't understand why Washington is taking this approach, and if

(01:29:44):
it has a problem, why not talk to us and
so that we can try and figure it out what
it is we need to do, because at the moment
we just don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Now Singapore's Deputy Prime Minister is really on the selling
path here talking about Asia being the beacon of growth opportunities.

Speaker 27 (01:30:02):
Yeah, that's right, and in some ways is right because
one of the things about smaller nations like Singapore is
that they have to be open to global trade otherwise
they just can't grow their economy and they're very prone
to disruption from global supply chains. So you find that

(01:30:22):
a country like Singapore is virtually tariff free, same as
Hong Kong. You can export to Hong Kong without any
tariffs whatsoever, and they won't go and respond either to
US tariffs. And they want to be major open economies.
And it may be in some ways, you know, that's
the right approach. And there is reasons to be optimistic

(01:30:46):
about Southeast Asia because it's going to expand from around
fifty percent of the world's GDP to about sixty percent
by twenty thirty. And you know, Southeast Asia will be
the fourth largest economy in the world within the next
few years. And we have here a lot of trade
agreements already which have been very effective in cutting or

(01:31:09):
reducing tariffs on a wide range of goods. There's the
Asian Trading Goods Agreement that's eliminated almost all tariffs on
a whole range of products. We also have regional free
trade agreements like the Six Asian Plus, which New Zealand
is part of. Is also the Reset Agreement which New

(01:31:29):
Zealand is part of as well, and they have been
very successful in reducing tariffs. So really the way for
Donald Trump to go is not to go and increase tariffs,
but maybe to try and join some of these regional
agreements and reduce their own tariffs and get the benefit
of tariffs being reduced back. So Singapore is onto something.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Here we are after the UK and just a few
seconds paid. But how are the imports exports looking for China?
For genery not good.

Speaker 27 (01:32:00):
Imports fell eight point four percent year on year in
the first two months for January February the data gets
combined because of the effect of the China Chinese Lunar
New Year holidays. Now they did grow in December, not much,
by about one percent, but nevertheless, this is the biggest
decline in exports that we've seen for quite a while.

(01:32:22):
Imports also fell quite strongly as well, so this gives
us a glimpse to how these tariffs are starting to
affect China. Chinese exporters have been trying to get around
this by front loading shipments to the US. But it
does show how vulnerable China is to these tariffs, and
the way out for China is to try and boost

(01:32:44):
its domestic demand, gets consumers spending more and absorb goods
into its own economy rather than trying to export them abroad.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Nice one, Peter, Thank you for that. Peter Lewis that
Asia Business correspondence. It is sixteen minutes away from civil
what news talk said b Gavin Gray is in the
UK for US next, and we'll continue the theme of
the tariff theme. It's basically just going around the world
and wherever Donald Trump is shooting bullets tariff bullets, we're
going to check out on how it's affecting their economies.

(01:33:15):
We're in Europe next, whether it's.

Speaker 9 (01:33:17):
Macro microbe or just plain economics.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
It's all on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and
theirs Insurance and Investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect Your Future talks.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Thirteen away from seven. We had Dan Mitson out of
the US telling us that they import nine billion dollars
worth of wine into the United States and a lot
of that coming from the EU. A two hundred percent
tariff would be massive. How are they feeling about this
over in Europe? How are they feeling in the UK?
Gavin Gray's our correspondent, Gaven Good evening.

Speaker 14 (01:33:49):
I really rattle they are actually the wine producers in
particular France, Italy, Spain or really angry about this, thinking
that they're being unfairly picked upon. Meanwhile, Trump calling the
fifty percent tariff planned on US whisky and nasty tariff,
saying it's a hostile and abusive and has accused the

(01:34:10):
European Union of being formed for the sole purpose of
taking advantage of the United States. Well, that is where
the European Central Bank President Christine Leguard has stepped in.
She's a very senior figure in the world banking industry
and she's of course European, but says the EU had
no choice but to retaliate, saying everyone's going to suffer

(01:34:31):
and if the dispute develops into a full brelogne trade war,
that will be very very serious, as you can imagine.
But she's certainly lending her support to Europe on this
and has described his comments about the europe being created
almost for the sole reason of taking advantage to the US.
She said that is just historically inaccurate and frankly nonsense.

(01:34:53):
So a great deal of concern from alcohol producers here,
both in the UK, Ireland, Irish whisky of course, a
massive export to America as well, But mostly it did
those continental wine producers who are most fearful of this
massive tariff threat.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
And you just don't know where the next going to
be put, do you. I mean that's the other problem.
Is there a sense that you might have actually dodged
not being in the EU anymore, that you might have
kind of dodged a bullet. I know you're getting steel
and aluminium like everyone else, but.

Speaker 14 (01:35:24):
Yeah, I think there is there's the hope that, if anything,
this may expedite trade talks, but of course might expedite
them to our disadvantage. But either way, I think a
lot of people think we really need to get these
trade deals sorted out. It's taken so long following Brexit
for two countries that are supposed to be good friends
and getting along. This trade deal between America and the

(01:35:45):
UK has been, you know, just plodding along at snail
like pace, taking so long, and certainly it would seem
that former Presidents Joe Biden and to a certain extent
as well, Barack Obama. We're in absolutely no rush to
get that underway. Indeed was Barack Obama who famously said
after Brexit that the UK would be at the back
of the queue awaiting its turn for this trade deal

(01:36:07):
to actually take place.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
That's right. What about this un judge who's been convicted
in the UK forcing a young woman to work as
a slave.

Speaker 18 (01:36:16):
Yeah, so she's a.

Speaker 14 (01:36:17):
High court judge in Uganda as well. Forty nine year
old Lydia mcgumby has, according to prosecutor, has taken advantage
of her status over her victim. She basically forced a
young woman to work as a slave for her in
the UK, and she's now been found guilty of conspiring
to facilitate the commission of a breach of UK immigration law,

(01:36:37):
facilitating travel with a view to exploitation, forcing someone to work,
and conspiracy to intimidate a witness. She's going to be
sentenced at the start of May. And in footage released
by police which was taken into court, she seemed absolutely
stunned when an officer said that she was being arrested
under the modern Slavery Act, saying I'm a judge in

(01:36:59):
my country, I have immunity. I'm not a criminal, but
she nevertheless has been found guilty here and this is
all about how she was allegedly kept a woman to
work for her of her home, almost like for free
childcare as it were. And it's something that the police
have really been clampig down on, actually, the numbers of

(01:37:20):
people being brought into the UK with the promise of
a great job and then effectively having their passports taken
off them in some instances, being told they can't leave
the house, and then being forced to work very very
long hours but very very little, if any money.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Kevin, thank you for that. Givin Gray, our UK correspondent.
Time is eight minutes away from seven Here on news
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Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
News Talk zib it is four minutes away from seven.
Big weekend this week in Liam Lawson is Annection in Melbourne.
I'm interested in the Hurricanes, so I think it's probably
got to start playing the lame o Hurricanes. Will they
shake that Moniker? If they're sitting this week, We'll have
to wait and see, and also we'll have to wait
and see what Putin does with the CISFI ideal, whether

(01:38:09):
he's going to play ball or whether he's going to
delay and keep fighting. Of course, everyone's hoping for peace
for Ukraine. And it's what are we going out to tonight?

Speaker 10 (01:38:17):
Ignite by She had to play us out tonight. Ryan
Homegrown Festival has got underway in Wellington, but today is
kind of just the teaser. It's all the main events
are really on tomorrow and one of the big ones
will be she Hard playing at nine point thirty five
on the Rock Stage for their final show together as
a band until they'llevitably get back together in a few years.

Speaker 23 (01:38:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:38:38):
Man.

Speaker 10 (01:38:39):
Apparently at their show during the week they did like
three encres which all seemed pretty off the cuff because
they just wanted to keep playing and playing and playing.
So I don't know if this is a band that's
actually really to split up, but we'll see where they go.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Thing is, if you loved playing music, you're never going
to not stop loving at at you.

Speaker 10 (01:38:56):
But fair enough, John Tugod did he wants to spend
all time with his kids, which is really fair enough.
But they wouldn't be the first one anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Sad thing about all of that home ground is basically
saying Wellington's lameo as well, aren't they They'll leave, this
is their final, it's their final.

Speaker 10 (01:39:10):
Better for backhanded complement from them, yeah, saying like yeah,
well there's nowhere else we can do a big festival,
so we've got to go somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
See yea. All right, that's it today, bron Thank you
so much for listening, Have a fantastic weekend and I
will see you on Monday afternoon.

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