Full Show Podcast: 19 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duplic ellan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected Newstalk.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Said b.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon. Coming up on the show today, kiwibanks Jared Kerr
on why the GDP data means we now need a
double official cash right Cup next month. Jury is still
making up its mind in the Philip poulkinghorn case. We're
going to go to court and raz has made a
few changes to his starting squad against the Wallabies. We
have a chat to tire our Lomax about.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
That good Heather duplesiclo.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
The GDP number is out and as expected, we went
backwards in the second quarter of this year zero point
two percent. If there is some good news in that number,
we didn't go as far backwards as we thought we
were going to go. Many were predicting, including the Reserve Bank,
we may go as far backwards as zero point five
percent into the negative. We didn't do that, So there
is a little bit of a bright side here now.

(00:52):
It has become something of a habit of mine in
the last fee while two. Every time we get the
GDP number, give you an update on what's going on
with my brother's business, because I feel like my brother's
business is actually following what's going on in the economy
quite remarkably at the moment. So as you know, he's
got a business. They set up a shop on Ponsby
Road some time ago, and then about three or four
months ago they shut it down. They tried as hard

(01:14):
as they could to keep the thing open, but because
of the economy, they had to shut it down. It
just wasn't worth it anymore. They he and his business
partner are a real life example of what happened in
that quarter. What that minus zero point two percent number
means because they shut it down and smack bang in
the middle of that, people haven't got money, they're not spending.
Retailers can't pay their rent, so they shut They stop

(01:36):
spending with their suppliers, they stop hiring staff, and those
people then have less money to spend as well. And
that is basically what happens in the economy, and what
that GDP number means. We have now each of us
as in per capita, we have now gone backwards for
seven consecutive quarters annually. The per capita decline in GDP

(01:56):
is two point seven percent. That is really significant, right,
there's a lot that we've lost. Kiwi Bank reckons this
is basically two years of recession. Now, it's not technically
two years of recession because it's up and down, up
and down, up and down quarter to quarter, So it
doesn't mean the technical doesn't meet the technical definition of
what a recession is. But it really is two years

(02:17):
a really hard slog for this country. And it has
been hard, hasn't it. It's been really, really tough. So
here's the good news. There are signs that it's getting better.
Consumer confidences up, business confidences up. My brother's business didn't
shut down altogether. They stayed online. Their sales have started
ticking up, particularly this month. The trend lines that they
are seeing are headed all in the right direction. And

(02:38):
so what they're going to do now is they're going
to open a shop again. What does that tell me?
It tells me that yep, man, it's been hard. We're
not imagining it. We don't even need the numbers to
tell us how heart it's been. But we are all
now very obviously headed in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Heather Duer seen.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
The text number as I say. Jared kurve Keywibank will
be with us after five o'clock or why we need
that double cut from the Reserve Bank. Well, the government
on something else, wants to reduce the number of jury trials,
basically to be able to get through the backlock in
the court system. Government's proposing to increase the offense threshold
at which are defendant is able to have a jury trial.
Currently you have to be charged with a crime that

(03:15):
carries a maximum penalty of two years or more in prison,
then you can elect for a jury trial. Justice Minister
Paul Goldsmith.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Is with us now, Hey, Paul good A, how are.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
You going well? Thank you? So your alternatives to two
years are three years, five years and seven years. What's
your preference?

Speaker 4 (03:31):
I actually don't have a preference at this stage. My
main concern is that too many people are having their
lives put on a hold for years, waiting for an
outcome of a court case or a civil case, you know,
waiting for a resolution to their problems. That the times
have blown out. COVID obviously had a role, but it's
been you know, it's been too slow for too long,

(03:51):
and so I've got a real focus on trying to
speed up processes of the courts and we're pulling many leavers,
trying many different things. One of the things that has
driven the out in times has been more people electing
for jury trials, and so we're just asking the question
going out for consultation to say, well, it's said at
two years currently, what do people think about three years,

(04:14):
five years, or seven years.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'm surprised actually at the two years thing, because that's
some pretty low level crimes that basically qualify you for
a jury, right.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
That's right me.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
I mean, obviously it takes a lot longer. So I mean,
you'll just give you an idea. The average duration of
the case has gone from three hundred and fifty days,
so you know, nearly a year to nearly five hundred days.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Soldom that's not like, that's not the duration of the trial.
That's right from first appearance all the way through to
the conclusion.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Right, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean it's a
long drawn out process. So yeah, I mean, I think
it's a reasonable question to ask there will be arguments
around three years, five years, or seven years. Seven years
would be a big change, and it would certainly have
a huge impact on the overall efficiency of the court.
But of course you've got to balance that against you know,
the ancient right, and so I think, you know, I

(05:05):
don't think it'll be an interesting discussion. I certainly I
think we should lift it. It's just a question of
how far.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
What kind of a crime are we talking about that
carry seven years in jail?

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Well, things like tax evasion yeah, and assault, yes, and
so five years for thinking of things like aggravated assault,
and three years it would be things like you know,
driving well disqualified with excess breath alcohol.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
So if you should go for a jury, if you've
just been pink boozing behind the web, yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
If you if you lift it to three years, you
exclude those and so yeah, I think that's a very
reasonable starting point.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
And the further you go on, didn't.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
You just say didn't you just say? Though boozing being
disqualified is three years in the slammer.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
If we lifted it to three years, it's a maximum
of two years.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
If we lifted it to three.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Years, they would be exclu and you wouldn't have the
opportunity for a jury trial.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah too. Right, all right, Now, your other problem though,
is if we go okay, we're not going to have jurism.
We need judges and we're short on judges, aren't we.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well, well, you still need to judge for a jury trial.
It's a much more drawn out bran.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Well, that's true, that is true. You just you're basically
double parts there, aren't you, with the jury and a judge.
But you're still going to get some judge. You're going
to need some judges, aren't you.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yes, yep, yep, yep. But yeah, just just just for context,
you know, my three priorities as Justice Minister is about
dealing with reducing the number of victims of lent time,
dealing with that small group of serious youth of things.
And then the third one is the broader systemic challenge
of spitting up the processes of the thoughts. And that's
the family bought to the coroners. It's everything where you know,
too many and being held up. So you know, that's

(06:47):
that's the priorities. And a billion other things I could
be doing, could be reducing the voting age to sixteen
and doing all sorts of neey things like the previous
government did.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
I'm focused on these core things because I think the
other things that really matter.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
How are you going with your gang patch band, well.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Just partner, it's just passing it right now. So we
will be in law and it will take effect from
November and so police will be able to have some
more tools in their kit to handle the gangs that
are causing so much mayhem. And how can.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
You you're still got that bit in there where we're
going to crack down on them in the house.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, yeah, well that's right, and so that's just for gangs.
If you've got a gang patch and you've been convicted
three times more than five years for flouting the van,
then you're facing escalating consequences and that's pretty uncomfortable, but
we think it's appropriate.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Paul, thank you, appreciate your time. Man, look after yourself.
That's Paul Goldsmith, who is the Justice Minister. Razors announced
his new squad and I'll tell you what he's chopping
and changing all over the shop. So we'll talk to
Darcy Waldgrave about that very shortly. Are you going to
see some new official vehicles on the road? Love me
an official vehicle? Hey, don't you pothole vans? Actually this
feels this feels like efficiency. I feel like this is efficiency.

(07:58):
Simon's rolling out five pothole vans. Now what they're going
to do is they're going to drive around the country
filming to see the wear and tear on the roads
and which bits of the road need to be patched
up and stuff. Now you've got to say that that's
a smarter idea than having punters just drive around in
the car going, let me see with my own little eyes. Yeah,
oh there's one. Hold on, let's get out and let's
have a look a bit. Prod that a little bit,
you know, you can see that a pothole van is

(08:18):
going to is just this is This is technology and action.
There'll be five of them. One's going to be in
Auckland and Northland. One's going to cover the central North Island.
One's going to be in the Lower North Island also
top of the South is and we're catching a ferry
a fair But the fourth one's going to do the
rest of the South and South Island. And then they're
gonna have a backup van as well. And every road,
every sealed road has to be inspected at least once
every two years, and every high maintenance road and like

(08:40):
a high class road they call it high class. That's
going to have to be done every year. I'm on
board with this. Whatever it takes to get the old
potholes fixed, I love it. Quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
aland drive with one new zealand one giant leaf for
business use. Dogs that'd be sport with the new tap
have downloaded today BT responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Garci water graves with us A Darcy.

Speaker 7 (09:05):
I feel like beating responsibly with me.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Heather, what are we betting on this week?

Speaker 7 (09:08):
I've decided to throw some money at the English Premier League.
Oh yeah, well because basically I know nothing about it
and so for me it's like you just go okay,
I like that. I'll just jud what I do. Right,
So sit there, who are almost unbeatable from what I can,
gather a number of fans around the building and taking
on arsenal. They're paying a doll seventy five arsenal four
to fifty, So immediately go wow, I want a lot

(09:30):
of money to be made. I've got no idea what's
going to happen. But if you really want to make
a ton Manchester City to win by four goals plus twelve.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Bucks, have you made any money with these kind of
wild out there ones yet.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:43):
But the thing is that on balance, across the last
thirty years, I haven't bothered doing the maths because I
think I'd depressed myself. I just remember the wins. So
it's the top of the table class. It's a big
city's been champions now, I what four seasons, so ah,
twelve dollars by four or more goals, that's your hunch.

(10:04):
RA eighteen. Plainly bet responsibly. If you're like me, bet
with a blindfold and chuck a dart balloon and see
what happens here.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Are you okay? What do you make of Cortez Rasima
starting and TJ being on the bench.

Speaker 7 (10:17):
We are looking for Cameroy Guard to come back and
be the number one half back and basically a fight
now for second place, and that will be Cortez Atima.
That's what this says to me. It's a fairly standard
pick this side. I don't think there's anything overly controversial
about it. They've adjusted the back three didn't really get

(10:38):
much attraction last time around. Will Jordan didn't do what
Will Jordan should have done. But then again, Will Jordan
was so busy protecting his space at the back. He
couldn't really surge forward and take those high kicks because
if he did and he got it wrong so did
there'd be a great gaping hole at the back. So
he played Custodian and it's a different style of football
that the Australians play, so I think that they probably

(11:02):
could have run him a game. But what he's done
is he's got nice and safe Look, Boden Barri will
put you back there because Caleb Clark is back, He's
going to take in the left wing position. Will Jordan's
proved to be brilliant on the right wing, so why
not run with that combination? A bit of a tweet
around the front ring and changing though, Well, it's the
nature of coaching rugby in this day and age. You
look at arguably the most successful team around at the

(11:23):
moment is the spring Bots with the Rassi Erasmus. I
make five, six, ten changes a week. It's constantly changing
things around.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
So I suppose Rays is still trying to figure this
one out, right, Well he is.

Speaker 7 (11:35):
It's early doors. It's funny because he's got the same
record as Australia, albeit at different teams. In the last
five games, three losses to wins, same as Australia. We are,
you'd think, so it's a quarter to six, so hard
fast grounds in Australia. That's because the NRL, well, I
think it's it's a Fox or Channel nice Channel nine

(11:56):
and taking the coverage and they don't want it getting
in the way of their NRL. So you know, you
guys can play a bit earlier, which actually works really
well for a New Zealand audience. Also works well for
the or Blacks because it's going to be hot and
dry and hard and fast and that should fall into
the clutches of the look at the face.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I just you know, I just don't want to be disappointed, Darcy,
Thank you. I appreciate what he's going on Tonight.

Speaker 7 (12:22):
Tonight we'll talk with Elliot Smithy're going to talk in
Australia with Australian correspondent around at Sew Maloney's name just slipped,
but I've got it out now and Nicholas Lampren's going
to join us as well. Nico is the tournament director
of the ASP because it's a big.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Call because who's he got, well, who's he got?

Speaker 7 (12:43):
Yeah, No, Coco is not there. No Namias Saka's too
much seventy the other one.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
The other lady tennis play the same.

Speaker 7 (12:51):
There's a lot of lady tennis players out and of
course we've got the Kiwi as well. Soon, so Lulu soon.

Speaker 8 (12:58):
Well forward to me.

Speaker 9 (12:59):
Awesome, it's going to be great week.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Hey, thank you very much, dars okay, looking forward to it.
That's Darcy Walter Grave, SportsTalk Coast. He'll be back at seven.
It's for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
The day's newsmakers. Talk to Heather first, Heather dupleic Alan
drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
And news talk. Z' bo you're not.

Speaker 10 (13:30):
I'm falling a pot ride in front of pad of.

Speaker 11 (13:36):
Heather.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
An O eight hundred pothole number would be cheaper, accompanied
by a photo which now often can just contain the
GPS coord and it's fixed within a week, et cetera,
et cetera. That's really the pothole vans that are going
around the country. I think that, I mean fair point,
it would be cheaper if everybody was like citizen investigators
monitoring the potholes for the country and setting them in.
But I don't think that we'd be as comprehensive as
the van. The van's just going to drive around every

(13:58):
single bit of road, Every single bit of road has
to be done every two years. The van's going to
do that. You and I, I mean, yeah, we're lazy.
We're going to drive past the pothole, be like, oh
should I know, can't be bothered. Now I'm hungry, you
know what I mean. So I don't think we're I
don't think we're quite that reliable. Very soap. It's going
to be us in ten minutes, talking us through politics.
And also the gang patch ban that just passed, didn't it, Laura?

(14:24):
Did it just pass? It just passed? So since I
was talking to Paul Goldsmith and now it's passed, and
I've got a little thing for you on that twenty
three away from five.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
A fresh wave of attacks have rocked Lebanon, with walkie
talkies now being detonated. Thousands had gathered in the capitol,
including women and children. When it became apparent Lebanon was
facing a second wave of attacks, it quickly emerged there
were fresh methods being deployed. Witnesses said radios in cars
appeared to blow and nearby vehicles were hastily driven away.

(15:00):
I have vowed revenge against Israel.

Speaker 12 (15:03):
This aggression certainly has its own punishment and retribution. This
punishment is surely coming. We will not speak much now,
for tomorrow the leader of the resistance will address us,
where everything will become clear, and we will be facing
a new phase, with a new confrontation with this enemy.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
To the US. Now where former President Donald Trump's been
selling his wife's book at the New York rally.

Speaker 13 (15:25):
People love her.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
First lady, go out and get a book. She just
wrote a book.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
I hope she said good things about I don't know.

Speaker 9 (15:30):
I didn't so busy.

Speaker 13 (15:32):
She just wrote a book called Milani.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I go out and buy it.

Speaker 13 (15:35):
It's great.

Speaker 14 (15:35):
And if she says bad things about me, I'll.

Speaker 13 (15:38):
Call you all up and I'll say, don't buy it.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Then his former lawyer, Rudy Rudy Giuliani came in hot
on the assassination attempts.

Speaker 15 (15:46):
No more attacked, no more attacked, no more, stop it.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
If there's anybody behind it, I'll find them. I did
it to them, mafia. I can do good to them,
and I'm gonna get you well, and I'd be afraid
if that man came looking for you. And finally, bigger, better, bigger.
A sixteen year old from Michigan has entered the World
Record books for the largest hands and feet of a

(16:13):
living teenager. His feet have measured in at thirteen and
a half inches will size twenty three feet. His hands
are the equivalent to size nine shoes, which are standard
men's shoes. And alongside this, his parents fork out over
fifteen hundred bucks for a custom made pair of shoes.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Murriold's Assie correspondents with us AMAS good Afterening Heather. So
your unemployments holding steadier.

Speaker 10 (16:45):
Four point two percent, that's right, fifty thousand jobs, just
under fifty k jobs added in August. And the participation
rate this has measured the number of working age Australians
either in jobs or looking for jobs, that's at a
record high sixty seven percent. So that's a pretty rosy picture.
But what it does is add to the consensus over

(17:05):
here that the Reserve Bank is going to hold off
cutting interest rates here for even longer. Despite that aggressive
ratcut out of Washington, the US Central Bank taking half
a percentage point off. Inflation is still too high in Australia,
sticky inflation they call it hanging around for far too
long and there's strong growth in jobs will not help

(17:26):
get inflation down. So you know, a talk of a
double dissilution election, forget it, an early raid cut, I
don't think so. A lot of moving parts and all
of this over.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Here can tell me about the some massive drug bust
in Sydney.

Speaker 10 (17:40):
Oh, this is like out of a Tom Cruise film.
You see on a plane. A massive drug ring apparently
been doing the rounds here in mainly in Sydney, but
we understand also drugs going into state. But police at
state and federal levels over here, so they've smashed an
organization called the Commission. Allegedly the people behind this Commission

(18:03):
were responsible for supplying you're sitting down one point two
tons of cocaine and Sydney alone in four months one
point two tons of coke, so powerful, police say the
Commission could basically set the price it wanted by controlling
how much it released out of the market. Your drugs
hidden in vehicles and are taken all over the place.

(18:24):
Allegedly they found twenty million bucks with a coke at
the home of a Sydney guy back in April, and
that led then to the investigators unraveling this much bigger
drug ring. They're calling their commission. On Wednesday morning, at
six o'clock in the morning, coordinated raids across twenty properties
in Sydney, drugs valued a fifty five million bucks found.
They've got weapons, They've got eight hundred thousand bucks in cash,

(18:46):
bulletproof vests. Like I say, it's a movie script, but
it's real.

Speaker 16 (18:51):
It's on the streets of Sydney, muss.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
I mean, that seems like a huge amount of coke
to take out. If these guys, if these guys are
peddling that much coke, that's got to basically right up
the market, mustn't it.

Speaker 10 (19:02):
Well, it would certainly a strangle opposition. And the background
of this this commission Apparently the commission rose up out
of the ashes of an earlier drug gang that was
broken up three two or three years ago. So there's
a demand for cocaine here and it's it's it's pretty
clear it's getting into the country and being supplied by

(19:23):
some pretty ruthless people.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Do you see the guns that Do you see the
pink gun in the Sydney Morning Erald, Yeah, I mean
these so I don't know what you call that, but
you know the thing at the top of a handgun
where you sort of slide it backwards and it cocks
the bullet again.

Speaker 16 (19:38):
Yeah, what's that called?

Speaker 3 (19:39):
I don't know, muz, but that's pink. So these guys
have got a bit of flair, haven't they.

Speaker 10 (19:43):
They got a bit of more front than George Street
Mot jeez.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
So yeah, okay, what are you reckons is going to happen?
Are we going to beat the Wallabies or what?

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Well?

Speaker 10 (19:52):
Look, it's I'm an all Black fan. I believe black,
of course, and you'd think after two narrow losses to
the best team in the world world right now, the
spring Box and the Wallaby is getting that absolute flogging
from the RGIS, you'd have to think New Zealand's going
to start red hot favorites and sitting on Saturday night.
But you know there's a beware the wounded Wallaby. I mean, really,

(20:13):
a James Slipper going to become the most capped Australian
rugby union player ever if he comes off the bench
one hundred and forty test matches. He's currently equal with
George Gregan, and that we love to hate George Gregan.
There's a brand new halfback combination Nick White and Noah
La Lacio coming back into the Joe Schmidt team. But
sixty seven points to twenty seven when the Wallaby is

(20:34):
led I think was at twenty points to three and
they got flogged in the second half. So look, some
new faces, some firepower coming back from injury. And here's
the thing. At some point, Heather, the Wallabies are going
to end this letters Low Cup horror run of twenty
two years. I love rubbing it into my Aussie mates.
I just adore it. But it's going to come to

(20:54):
an end at some point. Who knows is that this year?
Look I don't think so, but stranger things have happened.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
I'll tell you. Even if it does come to an end,
it's only coming to an end because you've got a
Kiwi coach, right, So you can keep rubbing that on
in Mauz. Thank you so much, appreciate it. Murray Ozsie, correspondent.
Apparently the thing is called the slide. Thank you for that.
It's like it's what name just it's on the on
the label, isn't it. It slides backwards and forwards. It

(21:19):
is called a slide. Thank you for that. Now, Chippy
is in the UK at the moment, so Carmel's in charge.
So on her way walking around Parliament today, the journo's
bowled up to her and they wanted to talk to
her about the Gang Patch band because it hadn't yet
come into it hadn't yet been passed us obviously been
past now I'd hadn't at the time, and so they
were like, how are you going to vote?

Speaker 8 (21:39):
And this is.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
It was a secret. Apparently will be voting in favor.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Of the Game's bill today.

Speaker 14 (21:46):
Oh good question.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
I guess you have to wait to her in the house.
What We've been talking about this for six months. But
Carmel sounds like she's not sure, but she's actually in charge.
Est happins in the country right now. I think he
left last night.

Speaker 13 (22:01):
So you're the acting leader.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Can you tell us the Labor Party's position on the
Gangs Bill?

Speaker 17 (22:05):
Please let our spokespersons speak to that. There's some changes
that we need to.

Speaker 13 (22:09):
Mass the point of a letter if they don't know all.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Of the spokespeople.

Speaker 17 (22:12):
Oh no, no, no, but the leader is allowed to
say let the spokesperson speak.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
But the more that this went on, the more obvious
it became. Carmel, I actually didn't know. Is it is
it that you don't know or have your mind?

Speaker 17 (22:22):
I think this is a conversation I didn't have with
the spokesperson before we came down here, and so.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
I'd rather go to the spokesperson. Boy, Carmel hasn't been
paying attention, has she. Carmel has not been paying attention
to one of the things that Labor has been talking
about most loudly lately. So that's why Carmel went on
Treasure Island, because well she's just doing nothing otherwise.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
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Speaker 3 (22:51):
Barry Soper, senior political correspondent, is with us right now. Hey, Barry,
good afternoon.

Speaker 11 (22:55):
Hither.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Okay, So the gang patch ban has finally passed. That's
done in Dustin Ow.

Speaker 9 (22:58):
Well just passed. Yeah, And it's interesting. There were a
couple of aspects to the bill that really upset its opponents,
And I was fascinated by Carmel Seppaloni not knowing which
way the Labor Party was going to vote. Give me break.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
We've known rout, can you be.

Speaker 7 (23:18):
I don't know where she was.

Speaker 9 (23:19):
I don't know where her head was, but it was
somewhere down Treasure Island, I'm sure. But I mean, it's
incredible that there are two aspects to this bill that
have come to the fall recently. And one was and
the latest one was gang patches and cars. People running
around were displaying them within cars. Well that's now been covered,

(23:39):
so of the gang patches. On the third conviction for
having a game packs, the cops can go into your
house and pick it up. Well, Paul Goldsmith and I
heard him on your program just a short while ago.
He faced a number of questions in Parliament this afternoon
about that police ability to raide homes looking for gang insignia.

(24:03):
Now Taku Tai tash Camp from the Mali Party told
him it breached human rights.

Speaker 18 (24:09):
Dealing with gangs who pedal misery is in the benefit
of all New Zealanders, including Malji.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Banning gang pictures from Marai and Tangi Hana is an
invasion of Manamotu Haaky and a gross breach of Tatariti
or wait.

Speaker 18 (24:23):
We are limiting the freedom of expression of gang members
to where their patches in public. That's a statement of fact.
But we're also concerned about the rights of ordinary New
Zealanders to go about their lives without fear and without
having to deal with the intimidation and the trouble and
chaos in metium that gang's cause across our community.

Speaker 9 (24:44):
Yeah, the statistics relating to gangs are terrible. But later,
of course they moved on to debating the third and
final reading of the bill making the moves against gang's
law and allowing police to raid those homes for gang patches.
That's incensed labors duncan web.

Speaker 19 (25:01):
Nos can be known about that searches can be intrusive,
disruptive and traumatic for children and other farno who reside
with a person who is subject to the search.

Speaker 20 (25:11):
Whilst some of our homes may be our castles, that
fundamental principle of the sanctity of a private residence has
been utterly undercut and undermined.

Speaker 19 (25:22):
What is the risk of someone's gang insignia a bandanna,
a ring, a jacket, sitting in a wardrobe? Where is
the harm? Where is the victim? There isn't one there's
no harm and no victim.

Speaker 9 (25:38):
This maybe why camal Sepaloni was a little confused.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Why is that?

Speaker 9 (25:42):
Well, they're all over the bloody place on this one. Honestly,
they just have to find something to complain about, and
a gang ring. I don't know whether that would be
covered by the legislation.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Now. I see that Barbara Edmonds of the Labour Party
has been having a crack at Nicola Willison the National Party,
blaming them for what's happening in the economy at the moment,
I'm not sure that that's going to land, do you know?

Speaker 9 (26:04):
Well, you know, we know how these statistics lag, and
you know there was revision to the December twenty twenty
three quarter and that showed that technically the country wasn't
in recession. So you know, we can now say, thankfully
that we moved out of it. But did we really?

(26:25):
I mean, that's I guess that'll go on being debated
by economists. But look, it's you know that when you
look at the pickup in economic activity, it hasn't been great.
You've seen a fallaway in construction. Everybody knew that was
the case. You see decline and retail and wholesale businesses,

(26:45):
and I think you alluded to those earlier. I guess
now the focus will go there's a bit more spending
from the public, but the focus will now go on
the Reserve Bank and whether they look at more cutting
to the ocr which will be easy. People's people struggling
to pay their mortgage interest rates, and you'd have to say,

(27:06):
if they do that, that's a good thing, because people
don't have a lot of money to play with these days.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
I don't have a long time at all, but just
tell me really quickly, what's going on with this resolutionary Israel?

Speaker 16 (27:14):
Well, New Zealand backed it.

Speaker 9 (27:16):
Actually I had a bit of audio, but I won't
play it was Old Winston on his feet about it.
But New Zealand was one of one hundred and twenty
four countries that supported the United Nations General Assembly resolution.
Are telling the Palestinian are telling Israel to get out
of Palestine occupied territories within a year, and you know

(27:37):
we agree with that. He was questioned about it in
Parliament this afternoon, but he probably told us what we
already know, that we support a two state solution to
this terrible problem in the Middle East.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
And Steph Barry, thank you. Barry So for seeing your
political correspondence. Seven away from.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Five, putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, some mic asking.

Speaker 18 (27:57):
Breakfast it's the man behind charter schools, of course is
David's Mornings Will there's.

Speaker 21 (28:00):
People like to put about this information and try and
say that they're getting funded at a higher rate. People
need to ask themselves why is that. One of the
biggest differences with charters is that we are giving them
the ability to hire teachers. They have to be registered,
but they don't have to be on the union contracts. Now,
if you're the PPTA or the MZDI, a successful group
of schools that have individual employment agreements are an existential threat.

(28:24):
This is the beginning, the middle, and the end of
the charter school debate. The unions aren't afraid the charter
schools will fail. They are petrified that they're going to succeed.
And I think they just might because the children need it.

Speaker 18 (28:33):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the Jaguar fa is used talk zb.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Cricket's got a bit of a rain delay going on
at the moment, so I will keep you posting on that.
As to whether they get back to playing. And the
jury in the Polkinghorn trial have been discharged and they've
gone home for the day and they won't be there tomorrow.
They're only resuming again on Monday to pick up their
deliberations again. And this is because one of them has
a prior commitment tomorrow, so we'll have a check. Michael Morra,

(29:00):
who's the Herald journalist who's basically on jury watch the moment.
He'll be with us from court very shortly. Tyrell Lomax
is going to be with us in twenty minutes time.
He's the tight head prop for the All Blacks. He's
the one who got sent off. We won't raise this.
We won't raise this. He's the one who got the
yellow card at the end of the game and yeah,

(29:21):
I didn't go very well did it. Anyway, We're not
going to raise that though, because we've got heaps to
talk to him about, like all the chopping and changing
it's going on with Raisin and stuff. So he's with
us in twenty minutes time. Darling Tanna, now I know
you love your Darling Tana updates and I know, and
they're few and far between because she didn't do a lot,
but she did have a moment today in the house
so very excited for her. She got up, she got

(29:41):
a chance to ask a question. It was at the
very end of the estimates debate and sitting in the
speakers chair was Greg O'Connor and he said, it's your turn, Darling,
it's the chair.

Speaker 20 (29:50):
Darling tanna, thank you, mister chair, noting that my questions
regarding the operating costs and.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
The sorry time for this debate has now expire.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Darling gets up to ask a question. She never gets
a question. She gets up to ask a question. She
didn't even start to ask a questions telling us what
a question is like cutting off. Well, let's does that
sum up? Darling in the house, though, I like, oh,
good on your mate. At least she tried.

Speaker 9 (30:25):
What a fail?

Speaker 3 (30:26):
All right, what are we doing next? Jared Kerr on
GDP News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
B.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts and give the analysis
together due to Clan Drive with One New Zealand, let's
get connected.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
And news Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Good afternoon. To the surprise of absolutely no one, the
economy has shrunk again. GDP was down zero point two
percent in the second quarter of the year. Retail trade, accommodation, agriculture, forestry, fishery, fishing,
and wholesale trade industries all foul. Jared ker is Kiwibank's
chief economist, and with us Now, hey, Jared, Hi, Matte,
it's good to talk to you again. You reckon this

(31:11):
basically is getting us very close to, if not already
at two years of recession.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
Yeah, yeah, it is.

Speaker 22 (31:17):
We think we'll see another contraction in the current quarter,
so that'll bring it on two years.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I mean, the thing that's the number that hurts the
most is the per capita GDP fall of two point
seven percent. How significant is that?

Speaker 22 (31:31):
It is very significant. We have seen quite a spike
in migration over the twenty twenty three but when we
chop it up and look on a per capita basis,
we saw a four point five in the quarter and
we're down four point six from twenty twenty two levels.
That's significant, and that's worse than what we saw during

(31:52):
the GFC.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
When does this turn around? When do we start seeing
per capita growth again?

Speaker 22 (31:57):
God late next year, I think, But I think the
reserve banks put a stake in the ground by sort
of cutting in August, and I think that'll mark the
turning point. Discussions with businesses and households since then has seen,
you know, people lift their heads and look to next
year with a bit more optimism.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
What do you reckon the Reserve Bank does next month?

Speaker 22 (32:22):
I think they cut twenty five. I think they should
cut fifty. We saw the shed come out this morning
with a fifty f basis point rate cut. They're clearly
willing to cut a little faster than we are, and
I think we need to do the same. You know,
we can't forget that interstrate cuts today take up to
eighteen months to feed through, so you're setting policy for

(32:44):
the start of twenty twenty six. I think they need
to get cracking good stuff.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Jered really appreciated. Jared Kirkyey Banks chief economist.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
He the dup see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
The jury has just finished the first day of deliberations
in the murder trial against Philip Pulkinghorn. They asked to
hear two piece of audio. The first was his one
one one call he sobbed loudly when it was replayed
in court, and the second was the secret recording of
Pauline Hannah's conversation with her immediate family.

Speaker 13 (33:09):
Beyonest, I considered just chucking myself.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I don't want to do that. No, no, I.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Don't know either. But actually I love my husband, but he
is somebody who is very angry with the world when
the world doesn't go his way. Harold. Journalist Michael morraw
is with us from the High Court in Auckland. Hay,
Michael good a head the he go, well, thank you.
How upset was for the Polkinghorn when he was listening
to that one one one call?

Speaker 23 (33:38):
Well, he was so upset that the judge had to
call for the proceedings to be put on hold. Essentially,
it was near the ending of that recording, the triple
one call, and Polkinghorn, who's not in the dock but
position behind his lawyer Ron Mansfield, started crying pretty loudly.
He was hunched over with his head in his hands

(34:01):
and a tissue over his face and yeah. The judge
called for a break in proceedings and a security guard
lead Polkinghorn out into a room out the back of
the court and his lawyer Ron Mansfield followed after he
had composed himself. We heard that second recording which have
just played in which Pauline described her husband as a

(34:22):
sex fiend who was seeing escorts, and she described this
in the recording as his malfunction and said, as you
heard that Polkinghorn was an angry man, but that she
still loved him. And during this recording again Polkinghorn sat
at the back of the court with his head buried
in his hands.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Any indication as to why they wanted to hear that audio.

Speaker 23 (34:44):
The jury, there was no explanation given in court, but
it was signaled from early on that they wanted to
hit these two pieces of audio again. I guess it's
because A it's Pauline king about her husband and doctor
Polkinghorn speaking as soon as he says he found her body.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Is this a complex case so we're expecting them to
take quite a while with the deliberations or not.

Speaker 23 (35:16):
Well, it's a it's a relatively complex case, and that
the Crown's case is circumstantial. So the jury has to
has to look at this case because the onus is
on the crown right and so they have to be sure.
They can't be they can't think it's likely or even
highly likely, that he's murdered his wife. They need to

(35:39):
be sure about this. And because it's a circumstantial case,
the crown case is built on multiple pieces of evidence
that put together like a puzzle. You know, the Crown
says would confirm that he is indeed guilty of murder.
But you know they have to go through all those
different parts. You know, some juries act pretty swiftly, others,

(36:03):
you know, take a very long time. But as we
know that, the judge said, this will take as long
as it takes.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Now, deliberations will not continue tomorrow.

Speaker 23 (36:12):
A juror had a long standing commitment that had made
the judge aware of previously and so they will have
a long weekend and return on Monday at eleven am
to continue deliberations.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Stuff. Michael, thank you appreciate your time. That's Michael Morrow,
the Herald journalist who is at the High Court in
Auckland at the moment thirteen past five.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Heather due for Clas hi.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Roll Lomax of the All Blacks is going to be
us next on the squad that's just been announced today
for facing the Wallabies this weekend. Speaking of long weekends,
public servants in Wellington got some good news for you yesterday.
We're talking on the show about the fact that these
guys need to be sent back to the office. Like
the rest of us in the private sector, you know,
you've got to put in the hours, and like Amazon's doing,

(36:54):
and like the New South Wales government's doing, blah blah blah. Anyway,
I've heard through the grapevine that the government is talking
about what they want to do about getting public servants
back to work.

Speaker 11 (37:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
I don't know the detail. I don't know if they're
thinking full Amazon five days a week, or if they're
thinking about maybe four days a week, or if they're
thinking about mixing it up so that the public servants
can't take their long weekends and work in the middle
of the week and then take their Mondays and Fridays
off so they can go over the Rematakas and have
a nice time at Riversale Beach or you know, up
the Carpety coast or something. I don't quite know what
they're thinking here, but it sounds like something's coming for

(37:28):
the public servants. So if I was a public servant,
I'd be starting to get ready to go back to
the office a little bit more. We will watch the
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(37:48):
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(38:10):
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(38:34):
for cee Ellen Heather Jared Kurr is the very best
of pretty lousy bunch of bank economists in this country.
It needs to be the next Reserve Bank governor. That's
from Phil. I have no opinion on whether the actually
I don't think the others are lousy. I think that
the actually pretty good. But he is really excellent, isn't he?
I will agree on that. It's eighteen past five now
raz has made some changes in the All Blacks have

(38:54):
got four changes to their starting lineup for Saturday's Letterslow
Cup test in Sydney. Body has been named at fallback.
Will Jordan moves to the wing, Caleb Clark returns from injury,
and Ethan de Groot starts at the loose head. Tyrell
Lomax is the All Blacks tight head prop in Sydney.
Haye Tyrell has Razor explained to you why he's doing
all these chopping and changing things.

Speaker 24 (39:16):
Not to me, my job's pretty simple. I don't have
to worry about a lot of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Well, did you say the model's pretty simple?

Speaker 24 (39:24):
My job?

Speaker 3 (39:26):
What's your job?

Speaker 24 (39:29):
My job's just to hold up my side of the scrub,
try and run as sid as I can and tackle
as I can.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
I guess yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
You haven't got any opinions on all the chopping and changing,
just whoever's there, you're going to make it work.

Speaker 24 (39:40):
Just try to keep it simple for myself.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, fair enough, you're feeling confident. I mean you've got
to be feeling confident mate. It's it's the Wallabies, right, they.

Speaker 24 (39:47):
Suck you truly give me a bote. And now if
we've had a good week, now we had a been
some mows we over here in Sydney. Now world up
because point of in those last two tests, I guess
putting together performance here?

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, I mean, are you surprised at how badly they're
playing at the moment?

Speaker 15 (40:15):
Oh no, it's what are you feeling.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Nervous about talking about how much they suck? Like all
of New Zealand's talking about how much they suck. It's
not going to be a surprised to anyone.

Speaker 24 (40:27):
Oh we're not going to try she's gonna what shall
I say? My wife in Australian?

Speaker 3 (40:33):
So oh yeah, okay, I get it. I now now
I understand it. Fair enough.

Speaker 24 (40:40):
It's half a guess.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Fair enough given given their performance, right, you guys must
be pretty confident you're going to be able to run
this one in Yeah.

Speaker 24 (40:51):
Yeah, I guess we'll look at that. I guess that
first twenty.

Speaker 22 (40:56):
Three.

Speaker 24 (40:57):
So that's the side that we're preparing for it, I
guess the one that can come out and playing them
in their backyard. They want to come out good boards
together as well.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
And so, how are you guys feeling about having gone
down to the box two zip? Be feeling a bit bruised?

Speaker 24 (41:14):
Yeah, I guess so, yep, I guess just success the
way those games sort of panned out, I guess towards
the you know, last twenty minutes of both of those games,
I put my hand up that last is made a sillier,
gave them a chance to score a try.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
And for the game to be fair to you though, mate,
you were on for a really long time, like probably
actually too long, don't you think?

Speaker 24 (41:36):
Long than I normally play? I guess yeah, but you
just try and go for as long as you can
until you get pulled off.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Were you feeling a bit naked?

Speaker 24 (41:47):
Yeah, given two minutes and test match yet yeah? And
that too many times?

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah? Okay, Well listen, good luck of the weekend. I'm
pretty I think we're all pretty confident you guys are
going to be able to do it. So best of
luck with it.

Speaker 24 (42:00):
Cheers.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
You are more than welcome. Do the business that's to
our lomes. All Black tight head prop five twenty one.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
The man you trust to get the answers you need.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Heather dup to c Allen drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected and news talk because they'd be.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Geez hither those props are chatty. He wouldn't shut up.
I know, I know. Five twenty four. It was like
it was I had to be like, Wow, we're running
out of time, Tyrell, and don't tell us all of
the secrets. Stop talking about what raises planning this weekend.
You know we had to. It was we were doing
it for the benefit all.

Speaker 13 (42:33):
Who picked him?

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Andy? Who picked Tyrell? Laura picked Tyrell? Did you pick
him because he's handsome? Is that what it was? Stop
picking players based on that? Yeah, I think we are. Listen,
we're not going to get picky about which All Black
turns up, right, because we want to get to know
them and frankly we don't. It's going to be hard
with some of them as because anyway, never mind, don't
want to make the ends of our boys upset five

(42:54):
twenty four. Listen, we've got to talk about this business
with a jury threshold. I feel like it might actually
a smart move to increase the threshold for when someone
can choose to go for the jury trial. As we
were discussing earlier, At the moment, it's a couple of years,
and for a couple of years. In the slammer, you're
talking for things for crimes. You talk about crimes like
failing to pay a high court fine, or taking part

(43:16):
in a riot, or faking a merit or a civil union,
or trying to steal a car, trying to not actually
just trying to steal a car. Now, do you actually
think that those crimes are serious enough somebody to get
I want twelve people to stop their day and come
and sit in the jury, and I want them to
decide if I did it or not. Like I don't
feel like that's a good use of people's time. I

(43:36):
feel like a judge can do that. One person already
on the payroll doesn't have to deliberate with eleven other
people to decide whether you're guilty or not. They just
make the call themselves. The biggest problem that we've got
right now with using juries for low level crimes like
that is that it's really hard to find a jury
people don't want to do it. Only about seventeen percent
of people called for jury duty actually end up turning up,
and that's probably in part. I mean, yeah, your life

(43:57):
has to be put on hold, but you also lose money.
I mean you have to give up your work for
the duration of the trial, and then you only get
in return about sixty two bucks a day, which isn't
a lot. Arguably, I would say judges are actually better
at deciding whether someone's guilty or not because this is
literally their job, right. They are high information processing professionals
who are probably better at sniff and guilt than the
coffee maker down the road. Do you know what I mean? Now?

(44:19):
You know I'm saying this as somebody who doesn't love
a judge because I think judges are soft touches when
it comes to sentencing. But I also think there's a
difference between a judge doing sentencing in deciding what punishment
you should get, and a judge deciding whether you're guilty
or not. Because guilty or not is pretty binary. There's
no room for discounts and soft touches there. Now, don't
get me wrong, because I do believe juries are extremely

(44:41):
important it's a fundamental part of our justice system that
should we should be able to be tried by a
jury of our peers. But I'm ready to leave that
for the very very very serious stuff and leave the
low level stuff to judges to just pump through those courts.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
You know what I mean, Heather duper se al you're doing.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
I have to hubby with us shortly, Oh, Ryan on
the huddle. Ryan is a huddle Vergin, Ryan Bridge? What
do you mean? Which Ryan? Ryan Bridge? So Ryan's going
to be thus for the first time, very happy to
have him on the huddle, and then he will be
pretty much permanently thereafter just going to We're just gonna
bring him up randomly and tell him to come in
the BMI. Excuse me. Oh, by the way, huge debate

(45:18):
about whether the parents the taxi driver should be using
the parents' rooms to warm the meals up at Wellington Airport.
We're gonna talk about that with one of them shortly.
The bm I. Now, if you are a woman and
anybody who battles your weight, you will know that the
BMI sucks. The BMI the body mass index where you
look at your height versus your weight. You know that
that's nonsense because it just it's just too blunt, and

(45:41):
so you've got a whole bunch of Olympic athlete to
morbidly OBEs according to this thing. Apparently there's a new
there's a new one you can use. It's called the
Body Roundness Index, and apparently it's literally what it says.
It is a body roundness index. They measure how round
you are around you abdomen, so how much kind of
abdominal fat you're carrying versus your height, and that will

(46:02):
determine whether you're healthy or not. You can go online.
I've gone on. I haven't been able to do it
also can't be fafft. But you can go and do
it online and you can see whether you're whether you
are actually healthy or not. And I feel like, I
feel like whether you're shaped like an egg or a
rake is probably a better measure, don't you think. So
there we go. Science has moved on Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
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Speaker 2 (46:32):
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Speaker 1 (46:33):
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get connected and news talk as sid be.

Speaker 19 (46:40):
Hundred so on a scratch up to take it bath,
two twelve pacts and a tagt gas Where did just fly?

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Hey, listen on that business with the walkie talkie's blowing
up today in Lebanon. This is two days. I mean,
this is this is quite significant. Yesterday it looked like
blowing up all the pay jurrors was just psychops. You know,
it's just designed to make all of these hezbla people
feel a bit freaked out. Two days of it though,
suggest something else is going on now. And the suggestion
there is that we have and I mean certainly Israel's

(47:09):
defense minister is painting this as a new phase of
the war. Something else is up. They're obviously looking to
kind of scale this thing up. That's at least the fear.
So we'll have a chat to Robert Patman, who's a
foreign policy expert. He'll bear us after six o'clock. Got
the huddle standing by, and right now it's twenty four
away from six.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Heither dupless now.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Wellington Airport has suspended five taxi drivers from using its
taxi rank as punishment for them using the parents Room
to heat up their dinners. The Parents' Room is a
space where parents can change babies nappies and you know,
warm up the milk bottles and stuff like that. Now,
one of the Wellington Airport taxi drivers, who hasn't been
banned and wishes to remain anonymous, is with us now Hello, hello, honey,

(47:48):
how are you. I'm very well? Thank you? Now you
heated your food up in the parents' room.

Speaker 24 (47:51):
May yeah, I.

Speaker 25 (47:53):
Did, and I also did it after asking two of
the airport off for shields in airport uniforms if if
we could eat food in the microwave in the print room,
and they happily said, in on mind, as long as
we cleaned.

Speaker 26 (48:10):
Up after and just because the cleaning ladies they get
pretty furious about it, so.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Yeah, yeah, it would be a cleaning lady getting furious.
What's the problem with you guys using the microwave for
three minutes?

Speaker 26 (48:27):
And that's the problem I don't see as well. But
I think it's a food contamination or health and safety
resk for the newborn babies. And totally understand that where
they're coming from, and I respect that as well.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
So isn't it. I mean, that's absolute nonsense because if
you're like nobody, every mom who's going to have a
bottle in there is going to have the bottle covered
while they're heating it up, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
That is true as well, well, I think be reasonable.

Speaker 26 (48:53):
What do you think they are being very unreasonable and
they're just looking for any reason to ban drivers at
the moment and the environment we are working, and they're
just there's a lot of factors involved. Maybe they're promoting
Uber because they are paying more money to the airport,
and I just think like it comes all back down

(49:14):
to the money for them.

Speaker 25 (49:17):
And they're not generating enough revenue from the taxi drivers.

Speaker 26 (49:20):
Maybe the taxi drivers.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Okay, they've banned, Yeah, they're.

Speaker 26 (49:27):
Band taxi drivers for picking up a fare from number nine,
whereas the similar company was not even available at the
pay in the front.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
What's number nine?

Speaker 26 (49:36):
And number nine is the number first hite faces as
the oh I.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
See like people, yeah, yeah, I see. You're you're only
supposed to pick up the people at the front of
the line, not not if your nine.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 26 (49:49):
The customer chooses the taxi, not the driver chooses the customer.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
They say that you have got a taxi cafe that
you can use, but that sounds really like a place
where they sell you food. Rather than you being able
to bring in your own food and warm it up.

Speaker 26 (50:02):
That is true, that set of food and coffee.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Okay, all right, listen, thank you for this. I really
appreciate you explaining that to us. It's a Wellington Airport
taxi driver right now. It's twenty one away from six.

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Ryan Bridge Early edition host. Hello, are you too good evening, Heather?
Are you nervous? Ryan?

Speaker 16 (50:27):
No, I'm just surprised to hear that there's a what
sounds to me like a corew lounge that I wasn't
invited to at the airports. What is this parents' lounge?

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Mate? It smells of pooh? Do you really want to
hang out there? It's baby pooh?

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Ah? Right?

Speaker 16 (50:42):
Okay? The wold about that? Well, I've heard that there's
a kitchen. I hear that there's curtains you can go
and have some privacy. There's a playpen apparently at this
it's yeah, yeah, it's have you never been to it?

Speaker 8 (50:53):
No?

Speaker 16 (50:53):
See, I'm obviously not invited, So I don't.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Hang out in poe rooms.

Speaker 27 (50:58):
Yeah, Ryan, Can I just say, Ryan, you need to
listen to Heather.

Speaker 13 (51:02):
It is not a room you want to be.

Speaker 16 (51:04):
In, Okay.

Speaker 27 (51:04):
And it smells definitely of Pooh and old formula.

Speaker 16 (51:08):
So we're hang on. So the people eating their food
are the ones that are getting in trouble, but their
parents making it smell like shit, aren't.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
This is a good point, Like the people who are
actually having to really just you know, do the hard
yards to actually get food in their tummy. Is not
the baby making the stink. It's the person who's going
into the poo room to use the microwave. I feel
like this is unfair, Ryan, Do you think it's unfair?

Speaker 18 (51:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (51:33):
Well, I interestingly saw a story the other day that
they're building toilets for bus drivers in Wellington because they
are on the road all the time. So I think
there is a wider issue here where if you're on
the road in the car, you're doing a ten hour shift.
Do they need kitchens as well?

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yeah? Maybe like a starf room. Do you think, Ali?

Speaker 13 (51:52):
No, Well, I think that they shouldn't be using the
parents room.

Speaker 27 (51:55):
I don't think it's unfair to expect workers not to
be using a space. It's there for families and for babies.
You need a staff room, like you just said. And
I actually think that the taxi people and the airport
people should, you know, get over themselves, speak to one
another and provide space.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Don't they use it if nobody's in there? And it's
like even if people are in there, because it seems
like multiple people can be in there at one time,
and if the microwave's not being used for three minutes,
why can't they.

Speaker 27 (52:21):
Because it's either a family room or it's a staff room,
and you can't say, well, someone's going to come up
and stick their head around the door, and then if
there's someone in there, they're going to go away. I
don't think so it's either a family room or it's
a staff room.

Speaker 13 (52:33):
But they do need to have a space.

Speaker 27 (52:34):
Of course they do if they're doing ten hour shifts
out there. But I think that's on the taxi companies
to speak to the airport and sort of space out.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Yeah that what does hear?

Speaker 8 (52:43):
Like?

Speaker 3 (52:43):
The airport's the egregious one here on the GDP figure, Ryan,
are you were all surprised to see the economy went
back in the second quarter.

Speaker 16 (52:50):
No, I was surprised to say it didn't go further. Worryingly,
it's the per capita number that's the shaker, right, two
point seven percent year on Here, I was thinking today,
what is it that will make me spend more? It's
Adrian or the mortgages obviously, which hopefully we're going to
get some more guts in the coming later in the year.
It's our boss here, Jason. You know, how much is

(53:10):
he paying me? How stable is my job?

Speaker 3 (53:12):
You've been here two months, isn't it like two months?
And you're basically already putting out a shout out to
Jason for a pay rise.

Speaker 16 (53:19):
Hey, start early, you know, go hard, go early, and
then it's you know, these are the things so that
people think about when it's how much am I going
to spend? And that's essentially what we need to do
to get ourselves out of this is to go out
and spend more. But yeah, that needs that requires confidence,
and so the Reserve Bank making cuts on the ocr
not only just put money in your back pocket, but
your house price will go up and that means people

(53:40):
go out and spend more.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Yeah too, right, I am starting well, actually, Alie, I
started a little while ago, but I continue to feel hope.
So these numbers feel a little bit backward looking to me,
and I'm already looking at the future. What about you?

Speaker 27 (53:52):
Well, look, I got e for maths when he did
not mean excellence. So I'm not even going to try and.

Speaker 13 (53:58):
Analyze these figures.

Speaker 27 (54:00):
However, you know this boot, you know Bhutan has this happiness,
you know, schedule.

Speaker 13 (54:07):
Measure when they will be measure they have. I'm really
concerned about all these figures.

Speaker 27 (54:10):
What does it actually mean? So Ryan, when you talked
about the personal GDP figure being so low, what does
that actually mean? I mean, is that a quality thing
or a quantity thing? Because I think that's what we've
got to think about, right.

Speaker 16 (54:22):
It's per capita is like we're basically been propping up
our GDP with immigration, and so when you look at
the nominal figure, which is down what point two two
doesn't sound that bad, But when you look at the
per capita figure, which was spread over the population per
head of population, it's way worse. It's down two point
seven year on What does.

Speaker 13 (54:43):
That actually mean? I mean what I'm saying it means.

Speaker 16 (54:46):
It's in reality we're getting poorer. Yeah, it's worse one
of us than what the top line figure sounds like.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (54:52):
Yeah, But can you still have a low GDP level
and still be happy?

Speaker 13 (54:55):
I mean, I'm just trying to work out with.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Measure why not which person who got poorer was happier.

Speaker 13 (55:02):
Well, you'd have.

Speaker 27 (55:03):
More time, you'd be less stressed, you'd be in the
garden growing your own big gees.

Speaker 13 (55:08):
I mean, who knows either. It might not be about
the number, might be about the dollars.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I'm just wanted. Are you just advocating poverty right now,
as like as a great loan?

Speaker 13 (55:17):
No, not poverty. I'm just suggesting there may be other options.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Other options other than being rich. I don't know about you, Ryan,
but look Ellie, if you if you wanted to share
your money, I'll take it. Would you take it?

Speaker 16 (55:29):
Jason won't give me it?

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Take a break. It's caughded to your back of the huddle,
and just to.

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Speaker 3 (55:44):
Right, we're back with the huddle, Allie Jones, Ryan Bridge, Alie,
how do you feel about using jury trials not so
much for the low level crimes, but for more serious ones.

Speaker 27 (55:52):
I'm so glad we're starting to have this conversation. I
do remember when National was campaigning they talked about Night Court,
not the TV program of course, by actually having Caught
at Night and I thought that was a really interesting
way to look at clearing the backlog. This is different though,
because those would be judge only trials.

Speaker 13 (56:09):
The jury trials.

Speaker 27 (56:11):
Yeah, I think they do need to look at perhaps
the criteria there maybe maximum three year sentence, maybe even
four year sentence, but it can't continue the way that
it is. I think we need to look at jury
trials as well. Are we having juries of our peers.
It seems to be that they're mainly made up of
retired people and unemployed people because they're the only ones

(56:31):
who are happy to take thirty bucks a day to
sit on a jury. So I think we actually need
to look at the whole thing. But in principle, yes,
I think we do need to look at more judge
only trials.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Yeah, and I reckon I don't think we dick around
with three here years here ryin and I reckon we
go for five or seven because like a crime at
seven years and decently assaults another person. A crime at
five years is assaulting with the weapon even then, I mean,
I think that's serious enough to get twelve people together
in a room to decide for you. Anything below that,
I don't think.

Speaker 16 (57:01):
So I disagree with both of you because put yourself
in there in the shoes of the person who's in
the dock right. Two years is a long time in
anyone's life.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
When the judges, when Claire Ryan from the court discounts,
you ain't going to get.

Speaker 16 (57:13):
Two years three, that is a separate issue. That's a
sentencing issue. But if this goes back to I think
I think as key as we have a high trust
in our justice system. I know we think the sentences
are often a bit crap, but in general we have
a high trust in the system. And I think that
comes from the fact that you know it's going to be.
It can be at your selection a jury of your peers,

(57:34):
and they're going to be They're going to be fear
and they're going to be reasonable, old bludges and pensioners.

Speaker 27 (57:39):
Exactly that they're old people and unemployment, and that's the
jury of your peers.

Speaker 16 (57:44):
Really cannot say that, actually you lose your your benefit.
Ryan would get off your benefit.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Ryan would love it. I'll tell you this ally because
he'd get off because all the old biddy's on the jury.
G Love's a nice boy. Nice You lose, you.

Speaker 16 (57:58):
Lose your benefit if you go on the on the jury.
So you see you're worse off. I mean, minimum, Wade,
you get about nine hundred bucks a week for being
on a jury. If it's full for the full week,
you get about three hundred bucks.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I think it's eighty bucks now per day, so it's
four hundred.

Speaker 16 (58:12):
Okay, yeah, but it's still not great, is it?

Speaker 2 (58:15):
No, it really is.

Speaker 16 (58:16):
But I think the principle is important that you have
the option and that you know it's it seems a
lot more attention.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Here though, right, And the tension is that that yeah,
I mean you're you're arguing for the purity of that principal.
But what you are therefore doing is you are you're
plogging up the court so badly that as a result
of that, you are now dragging out the court how
long it takes, and that you quit.

Speaker 16 (58:39):
The fast just delayed as justice denied.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Fast justice is another principle, So there's always an arbitrary
line at which you paint it. So you're painting its
two years and you want the status quo. Whereas I
reckon loved it.

Speaker 16 (58:50):
I think that you stop crime, you know.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 27 (58:54):
Think what you're also doing, though it's a bit of
a sad indictment on our judges. I mean, I think
that a judge is quite capable of making the decisions
around the kinds of crimes that you know.

Speaker 13 (59:05):
He the mention then, and I.

Speaker 27 (59:07):
Think that, you know, don't don't let perfect get in
the what is it? Don't let perfect get in the
way of good. Don't let good get in the way
of perfect.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Anyway, I think a judge where of progress.

Speaker 27 (59:15):
Yeah, yeah, appro Yeah, it will be perfectly fine to
have a judge who is experienced and knowledgeable to be
able to make the decision on this twelve people.

Speaker 13 (59:24):
Who the hell are you? Who you're going to get?
You just don't know who you're going to at? And
how long is it going to take? I think that's
really important.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
To hell are you worried about where where this Lebanon
business is going to go?

Speaker 8 (59:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (59:34):
Look, I think it's some I heard you talking about
it earlier. I think it really has gone to another
level now. I think the two things that are really
worrying about this type of warfare is the large number
that can be hit in one you know, one go
with these things, and also can this be applied elsewhere
in the world? You know what other big city is
this technology, this called this this kind of warfare going

(59:57):
to be able to be you know, take place. That's
that Those are the two scary things. Well, that's thousands
of people, I think. And you imagine a city and
main city anywhere in the world with maybe mobile phones.

Speaker 13 (01:00:09):
You know what's next.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
It feels like Israel is prepared to escalate this, doesn't
it right?

Speaker 16 (01:00:14):
Yeah, it just certainly smells like that. But to Ellie's point,
it is an interesting idea. The barriers to entry for
war now are much lower Morally, when you were deciding
do I go to war with this country, it's like, well,
this is going to cost me x number of lives.
Now you've got drones and now you're blowing up pages,
so that barrier is much lower. So so in you know,

(01:00:34):
ten twenty thirty fifty years, what does that mean for
the number of cross border walls that we're going to
have one plane at Earth. You know, it's a pretty
frightening thing to think about.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
It is, actually, and therefore I don't want to hear
any more of it. So we're going to end it
right there. Thank you, Thank you very much, really appreciate
the fear of you is Ali Joones, read pr and
Ryan Bridge the early edition host seven Away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Be five Away from six. Liam Dan is going to
be with us round about quarter past sex and talk
us through what he's making of the GDP figures today.
Hither it's a baby room. Next, you're going to have
the construction workers, bus drivers, tourists wanting to heat their food.
Everyone else makes a sandwich or takes responsibility for their
meal choices. They should be wise and make better, Oh
my gosh, make better meal choices. Hither I feel bad

(01:01:28):
for the drivers, they have no way to heat their food.
There arrived in Wellington the Ssavo. My cab driver had
waited hours before my ride. Really unfair treatment. Hither if
it's okay for taxi drivers to use the parent room
where no one's in there, then is it okay for
me to park in No, you can't ever park in
a disabled car park. It's a completely different thing. Listen.
I I feel like there are two groups of people

(01:01:49):
in this debate, right. There are the groups there is.
There are the people like Ali who are like, these
are the rules. Follow the rules because they are the rules.
And then there are other group of people. I'm gonna
put myself in that group who look at the rules
and go, yeah, those are the rules and they done,
so don't follow them. Who cares? Because if the microwave
is not being used, use the microwave? Why not if

(01:02:11):
the thing is available, And that's the difference between you
having a coal meal and a warm mill. I just
don't get it. I think the airport's being a big dickhead.
Actually about the airport, we're gonna have to talk about
what's going on. There's a retail monopoly going on. I
don't know if you realize this in airports in this country,
which is why your snickers bark off you like a
thousand times more at the airport than it does in
a normal grocery store. We'll get to that shortly, because
actually there is a thing there. There is a thing there.

(01:02:35):
We have made well, let me tell you, we are
colonizing that Oxford English Dictionary. At the moment. We have
got so many words from New Zealand that have been
punted into that thing. At the moment, walker jumper has
gone in walker jumper obviously defining a member of parliament
who moves from one political party to another during a
parliamentary term. That's gone into the official I'm not talking
about the New Zealand Oxford English Dictionary. I'm talking about

(01:02:56):
the big one, the global one. We're in there with
that one. Ti Kanga has gone in Tea Kanga Maori
has gone in Kappahakka has gone in Mahi, chili bin
has gone, and I'm surprised it's taken Chilibin this long
to get in there. Actually ditch has gone in as
as a description of the Tasman Sea. And also al
tier Rowan has gone in, which which is really not

(01:03:19):
a word. You're not an altier rowin. There's no such thing,
but anyway, that's gone. And also now on the wacker
jumping thing, this is the thing that I think is
interesting about it is waker jumper has been used as
a phrase to describe a defecting member of Parliament since
nineteen ninety nine, but it's only made it into the
Oxford English Dictionary this year. And why is that? Darlene Tanna.

(01:03:42):
That's right, Darlene is making a lot of changes, Darling.
Darling can't get a question out in the house, but
Darling got us into the Oxford English Dictionary, so it's
done something. Thanks for doing the Muhi used to UCB.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
We have business inside the business out we'd header Duplessy,
Allen and my Hr on News Dogs and b.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Even and coming up in the next hour, Liam Dan
on the GDP Number, Sam Dickey on the Fed's double
cut this morning, Jamie McKay and Ender Brady as well.
At seven past six now, after a fresh wave of
explosions in Lebanon overnight, this time targeting the walkie talkies
and the car radio is killing twenty and injuring hundreds more,
there are questions about whether Israel is preparing to escalate
this war. Israel's Defense minister has declared the start of

(01:04:32):
a new phase of the war. Robert Patman is an
international relations expert from Otigo University with us. Now, hey,
Robert cing Hamah, what do you reckon Israel's up to here?

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
Well, if we're to take the rhetoric from the Israeli
leadership at place by you, they definitely seem to be
ramping up the war across Israel's northern border with Leven
and now, of course targs He has Buller, as you
indicated in your intuctry, has bothers being on the receiving
end of an extraordinary series of attacks involving communications devices,

(01:05:07):
either pages or walkie talkies.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
So I mean we're all concluding that the point of
this is to try to get sixty thousand people who
are living close to that Israeli northern border back into
their homes. But does Israel stop once they've achieved that
or do they continue?

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
Well, the interesting thing is in the sense mister Neto's
government is very vulnerable in this issue a switch they're
expanding the war from Gaza to the northern front with Lebanon.
That they haven't yet achieved the strategic objectives in Gaza,
they haven't annihilated Hamas, They still have over one hundred
Israelis detained by Hamas, and so this is a bit

(01:05:46):
of a risk because there's already quite widespread opposition to
mister Nettnio's handling of the hostage issue, and many Israelis
feel that mister Netna who's expanding the war so that
he can prolong his period in office because he's face
seeing criminal charges over corruption, which of course will be
he will become susceptible to those charges once there's no

(01:06:08):
longer a war. So maybe, you know, the six in
Israel are arguing this is just part of partal keeping
the war going.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
What happened?

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
You know, Sorry, I was just going to add I'm
just going to say there is an indication though that
Israel is very serious, not just the attacks we've seen, but
they've also apparently massed quite a lot of Israeli troops
on the border with Libanon. So it looks like there
is going to be a confrontation, and of course this
may really seriously strain relations between Nahu and the Biden administrator.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Yeah, I was going to that's a very It's exactly
the thing I was going to ask you. How did
the US respond to this?

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
Well, they said they had no advanced knowledge of this attack.
That may be. You know, we just have to wait
and see about that. But I think what is clear
is that the Americans have been demanding the Biden administration,
both Joe Biden and Vice President Karmala Harris of saying

(01:07:08):
the time for a cease fighter is now in Gaza.
Mistero's not only ignored the demand for a ceasefire in Gaza,
but has expanded the situation. And the last thing the
Biden team want is an escalation of the Gaza situation
into a full blown war involving Lebanon has Bolla and

(01:07:29):
possibly as bothers.

Speaker 24 (01:07:30):
Back as I ran.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
When there's the presidential election looming.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Do you think that his Bolla have the wherewithal right now,
given the chaos that they must be in to actually respond.

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
Well, they've said they were responding. They're quite affordable organization,
and a number of Israeli strategic analysts have warned who
about not taking on more than he can chewn. So
we wait and see on that, but I don't think
they should be underestimated. They've been generously armed and backed

(01:08:06):
by Iran. They are there are in the rain in
proxy essentially, so it's Israel's formidable it's got a very
good intelligence services who were probably involved in this, you know,
the exploding communications devices. But if Iran gets involved, this
is just the thing the United States doesn't want. The

(01:08:28):
other thing here that I think is really might bring
relations or underlying strains between the US and Israel's were
head is not just the timing on the expansion of
the war, but also the fact that the Bien administration
feels frustrated that mister ness now who is repeatedly rebuffing
their demands for a two state solution. Is America reaffirmed

(01:08:52):
in the last twenty four hours it absolutely.

Speaker 24 (01:08:55):
Is committed to the Palestinians.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Having a state. Now, mister you made it quite clear
while continuing to receive American arms that is completely out
of the question. So at some point the rubber is
going to hit the road.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Yeah, fair point, Robert. It's always good to talk to you.
I really appreciate your expertise. That's Robert Patman, who's an
international relations expert from Otago University. A bit of agitation
over the ditch by the looks of things. By the way,
Liam Dan just to remind he's going to be just
on the GDP shortly bit of agitation over the ditch
for Woolworth's to get rid of its New Zealand arm.
Now apparently an investor, First Entire Investors, which has a

(01:09:32):
modest shareholding in Walworth's, has advised Walworth's chief executive over
in Australia to sell the New Zealand subsidiary because it's
destroying capital. Now, as far as I can see, Woolley's
over here hasn't said anything yet. But that is a
very interesting development, isn't it. Thirteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's heather due
for Sea Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR,
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Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Right, Jamie McKay is going to be us shortly. We
need to talk about labour in the Gang's Law that's
going through at the moment. Actually something worth mentioning on
that right now. It's sixteen past six now. Kiwi Banks
chief economist Jared Kerr reckons the Reserve Bank needs to
speed up the rate cuts to cure our sick economy.
GDP as we know, went back zero point two percent
in the second quarter of the year and per capita
we went back two point seven percent year on year.

(01:10:20):
Liam Dan is The Herald's Business editor at large and
with us. Now, hey, Liam, I'm trying to find the
good stuff in this, because there is actually good stuff
in this, and the good stuff is it's bad, but
not as bad as we thought.

Speaker 14 (01:10:30):
Yeah, that's right, you'd think. I mean, this is I
feel like we're all pretty down on the economy right now.
There was no way we were going to receive this. Well, yeah,
the per capita stuff's terrible, but all of it was
slightly better than expected. But the response hasn't been a
horay it's better than expected.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
I think it's.

Speaker 14 (01:10:47):
Really oh, you know this is this is grimm and and.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Well it's like it's like being told you're going to
get six paddles instead of twelve, right.

Speaker 14 (01:10:53):
Yeah, And then of course they doubt that actually it
was a notch worse than the first quarter. So GDP's
a funny thing to count. It's a very difficult thing
to count, and it often has revisions, so you know,
this could be revised down. And you had brad Olsen saying, well,
actually it could just mean that it's worse than the
third quarter, you know, so that you know, look, any

(01:11:14):
upside there, Well, it might be.

Speaker 24 (01:11:16):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:11:16):
The negative response generally is just that nobody thinks that
it's going to be such good news that the Reserve
Bank stops cutting interest rates. That's going to keep happening.
And then it's a pretty lively debate, as you alluded
to with Jared Kerr and a few other people around
whether they go fifty base.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
They go fifty what if the feet can do it?

Speaker 14 (01:11:34):
Why can't Well, yeah, we still we don't want to
forget about inflation. That's you know, it still exists. I
think they probably can actually, because I think there's some
other things there that suggest that the economy is going
to be in for a rough ride for for a
lot longer. And that is things like how fast which
I think I talked about last week, how fast immigration
is coming off. And as soon as you have fewer

(01:11:54):
people coming into the country, it'll solve the per capita
GDP problem.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Yes, the mass it's not going to pump us up
any No, No, that's right. Tell me so the triple
the triple dep recession is over now, it's just a
double dep recession.

Speaker 14 (01:12:06):
No, technically, if we're talking about technical recession, where we
go two quarters, and the economists are saying, everyone's saying,
don't worry about that, it's all recessionary. But it's the
quarter where in now the third quarter, the reserve banks
thinks that will be negative too, so that the quarter
in this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
One advised the second recession to not be a recession
because one of the quarters got lifted up.

Speaker 14 (01:12:26):
Again, we've got marginal about zero. I mean, yeah, okay,
So so basically, I think even the economists are saying.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
But let's not talk about that because it's technical. The
fact of the matter is, would you agree with Jared
Kerr that we have basically been in recession for two years?

Speaker 14 (01:12:39):
Yeah, it feels like recession. It feels like we've been
going backwards for two years. And that's what matters. It's
how people feel about about the economy generally.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Yeah, do you want to? Do you want to? I
can't believe I'm doing this to you. You heard the huddle,
you heard Ali's argument about happiness. Explain to me where
you stand on this.

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:12:57):
So she had a point that GDP is and everything,
and they have discovered that there's a limit to how
happy GDP can make you. So the richest countries in
the world aren't necessarily the happiest. Yes, certainly there aren't
many poorer countries, the poorest countries out in the top
of that list, but New Zealand ranks very highly. We're
up near Switzerland in terms of the happiness index. What

(01:13:20):
happens is that it's just diminishing returns. So if you've
got no TV and you get a TV, you're much
happier than you were. But if you get if you
already have a pretty big TV and you get a
slightly bigger TV, it doesn't make you that much happier.
It makes you're a little bit happier. So there's diminishing
returns around happiness, and it really is about the direction
of travel. So the US and China right now they

(01:13:44):
start going backwards and they feel very unhappy, even though
they're richer than some other countries.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Because if you have a TV and then you get
a smaller TV, you are not going to be as happy.

Speaker 14 (01:13:51):
And then you're really unhappy. Yeah, or you can't go
on holiday this year. So generally we react to the
direction of traveling economy, and on that basis, the US
two years have pretty much sucked.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Zealand, yes, very unhappy. Thank you for that. Thanks for
explaining that to us. Liam appreciated. Liam Dan, the Herald's
Business editor at large. Right, we'll do with the gangs
shortly twenty past six.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
The Business Hour with the Heather Duper Clan and my
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z'd be two listen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Labor's on the wrong side of the gang's debate A.
I've been thinking this for a little while, and really
was thinking this quite a bit today when when carmaldon't
want to say which way they were going to vote,
and I thought, jeez, you guys, if you can't be
sure of where you stand on gangs, it's pretty binary. Bad.
Gang's bad the end, This is no good. I've been
thinking about this for a while. The point I'm trying

(01:14:44):
to get to is I've been thinking about this for
a while, but especially when I heard Willie Jackson's saluting
a gang member today. Have a listen, I.

Speaker 20 (01:14:52):
Want to salute dinner so Riley today.

Speaker 18 (01:14:55):
He's also very clear that getting rid.

Speaker 8 (01:14:58):
Of this patch law.

Speaker 10 (01:14:59):
Will be of no use and we'll just cause further
social disharmony.

Speaker 8 (01:15:05):
But the way for it is not.

Speaker 22 (01:15:07):
To rip the patches from Dennis o'reiley and his team,
but to work with them and find work with them
and do the type of mahe we're talking about now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Dennis O'Riley might have turned his life around, and Dennis
O'Reilly might be doing good work, and actually we've had
Dennis O'Reilly on the show. But Dennis O'Reilly has himself
admitted to committing pack rape when he was with the
Black Power, and that is who Labor is in Parliament
saluting today and defending and saying he and his mate
should keep their patches. Now, I would say, I don't

(01:15:36):
know how that how you feel about that, but I
would say for me it's quite a bit of slam
dunk here, that's the wrong side of the debate to
be on six twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Together do for c Ellen and.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
With us now, as Jamie mckaye, host of the Country, Hey.

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
Jamie, yeah, I'm with you here.

Speaker 11 (01:15:52):
They can't defend the indefensible bug of the gangs and
I just want to say I'm agreeing with you too
much here tonight. Either. Jared Kerr from ke We Bank
Bang on a fifteenth point rate cut on October nine.
I think Adrian Or can officially claim success for one
job or one thing he's done well as a Reserve

(01:16:13):
Bank governor, and that's screwing the economy and screwing it
down so hard. We've effectively been in recession for the
past two years. And from a farming point of view,
from a primary sector point of view, from a productivity
point of view, the best thing he could do for
the economy is to get those interest rates going down
sooner and faster, because you know the farmers and business

(01:16:35):
people and homeowners are feeling the pain too.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Well said, how are we going with the methane vaccine.

Speaker 11 (01:16:42):
Well, I have big news today and this is quite
exciting because we're looking for a solution for our ruminants
who beouch methane. We know all about that and the
and the global warming that occurs as a result. So
Agri zero NZ. This is the joint vent between the
governments and a whole lot of industry people like Fonterra

(01:17:04):
and silver Ferns and all those sort of people above
Goden with the New Zealand Agricultural Greenhouse Gas Center, and
they're investing thirteen point five million to pioneer a methane
vaccine so, chief executive of ag AG zero Enz, Wayne
McNee said, a vaccine that reduces methane from rouman and
animals would be a transformational tool for New Zealand's EG

(01:17:28):
sector and for farmers worldwide. It's right, It's widely recognized.
He went on to say, as the holy grail to
reduce emissions as its low cost, high impact and has
the potential to be adopted in all farming systems. And
just I know, are you going to ask this question, Eather,
so I've preempted it. How does it work? Well, A
successful vaccine would trigger an animal's immune system to generate

(01:17:49):
antibodies and saliva that suppresses the growth and function of
methane producing microbes in the room and significantly reducing the
quantity of post greenhouse gasses at birds out Everything you
ever wanted to know about meat, saying but we're afraid
to us.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
Oh, Jamie, you actually even sound like you know what
you're talking about. I appreciate that science explanation. When you're
finished with that, you were finished with with hosting radio show,
you can go be a science teacher. Jamie McKay hosted
the country always super informative. Hither can you please ask
Liam Dan why we don't report all of these figures
monthly instead of quarterly? These are the GDP figures. Look,
I think I can actually answer that question for you there,

(01:18:26):
because we are a bit of an outlier in terms
of a lot of the countries that we compare ourselves
to in only doing it quarterly. And I think we
all and I mean at geez, the Reserve Bank last
time admit it, didn't they that they were starting to
look at more high frequency data than official data because
the official data wasn't coming out regularly enough. So we
know this is holding us back. We know this is
a problem. We know it's causing blind spots for Adrian

(01:18:49):
or and he doesn't need any of that, does they?
The reason we don't do it is because it's too expensive.
It is just too expensive to pump out these these
figures monthly instead of quarterly least, I though I think
it was stats n Z who said that, And you
know to that point, isn't that just one of the
problems that we have as a country. Like I love
this country, I think we're awesome, but we know the

(01:19:11):
price of everything and the value of nothing all too often.
And that's a case of this, like just pay the
money because it's worth it for the health of the
economy headlines next, then Sam Dickie.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
The next, crunching the others and getting the results. It's
hither duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR,
the HR solution for busy smys on news Talk Zippy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
When you're playing you thank him about me.

Speaker 16 (01:19:47):
When you're riding where you're driving now you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Has a mind, Damon.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
I don't agree with Janie. Although there was no GDP
or CPI data back in the middle of twenty twenty two,
as a small business owner, we felt it exactly when
it happened in mid twenty two. It's been a painful, expensive,
stressful couple of years and we need relief. And thank god,
the relief has started right and the Brady is going
to be with us in ten minutes. Interesting thing is
happening in Brazil now. I don't know if you've been

(01:20:13):
following it, but Elon Musk is having a bit of
a fight with the Supreme Court in Brazil, and the
Supreme Court in Brazil decided that Twitter wasn't following the
rules and needed to be banned, and so then it
ordered all the telecommunications companies in ISP's the internet service
providers in Brazil, to block Twitter, and so they did.
Twitter has just today our time Wednesday, their time has

(01:20:34):
just managed to get around around the block by engaging
a third party service. Now I'm not enough of a
tech nerd. I'm the kind of tech nerd who needs
to call the boss to ask the boss really basic
questions like I'm running out of storage on my phone?
What do I do? Who do I pay? That kind
of thing. No idea what I'm talking about. But apparently

(01:20:55):
there is a security firm cloud fair Flair sorry, which
has it. It provides cloud services, and through the cloud services,
people are able through this particular cloud fair Flair, they
are actually able to get onto Twitter. Even if they
don't have a VPN or anything like that, they manage
to get around it. And it seems that the Brazilians
have just given up and they just realize they've managed
to ban this guy once, not going to be able

(01:21:15):
to ban him a second time. So probably no idea
how many Brazilians are on Twitter now through this other option,
but probably just going to have to let this one go.
It's a lot slower apparently than it used to be,
because you go in it's quite securitous. But Elon got
his way in the end. Elon always does, doesn't he?
Twenty three away from seven?

Speaker 13 (01:21:32):
Ever, the Fed.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Reserve surprised more than a few economists this morning, didn't that,
when it made a decisive cut to the interest rates
in the US. The zero point five percent cut was
the first cut since the depths of COVID. After the meeting,
FED Chair Jerome Powell was asked whether the big cut
was a sign that the US economy was actually doing
worse than expected.

Speaker 28 (01:21:51):
We can go quicker if that's appropriate. We can go
slower if that's appropriate. We can pause if that's appropriate.
We don't think we're behind. We do not think we're
We think this is timely. But I think you can
take this as a sign of our commitment not to
get behind.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Sam Dicky from Fisher Funds is with us. Now, Hey, Sam, Hey?
How surprised was the market by this?

Speaker 6 (01:22:11):
There was an excellent economist answer by Jerome Power. Was
it that we can go faster, we can go slower,
or we can do nothing?

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:22:17):
Here we go along away to cut, and you're right,
fifty basis points or half a percent is a decent start,
but it was quite well anticipated by the market, So
as at yesterday, the market was pricing into interest rate
curves about forty two basis points or point four to
two of a percent. So set another way, the market
was pricing as at yesterday about an eighty five percent

(01:22:39):
chance of this half a percent cut.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Why has it taken them so long to finally get
to this.

Speaker 6 (01:22:45):
Point, Yes, it has felt like a lifetime, especially given
the magnitude of and the aggressiveness of the hiking cycle
we saw before this. So sort of five hundred and
twenty five basis points the most aggressive rate hiking cycle
in forty years. And remember, to your point here that
the FED paused its rate hiking cycle way back in

(01:23:05):
July twenty twenty three. But remember that you and I
have talked about the nineteen seventies, which has burnt into
every central banker's brain. In fact, it's their worst nightmare. Recall,
the FED back then declared victory on inflation early, started
cutting rates prematurely, and inflash took off again. The Fed
had to crush it with a dreadfully aggressive rate hike

(01:23:27):
cycle of hiking interest rates of twenty percent, so any
central banker is reluctant to cut now until they are
certain inflation is tamed. And the FED is now fairly
certain of that, given inflation has fallen all the way
from sort of nine percent and changed to about two
point five percent, which is fairly close to their two
percent target.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
And so what happened to the bond in stock markets
when this was happening, just like immediately before and afterwards.

Speaker 6 (01:23:51):
Yeah, in the US market hours, so that closes about
to eight eight thirty our time, It was a bit
of a damp squib really. So if we look at
short dated by which are the best one have to
look at because they're most influenced by these sort of
Federal reserve rate moves. So the US two year government bond,
for example, it closed basically flat on where it was

(01:24:11):
before the announcement. In the US equity market actually closed
slightly lower, so you can see the rate cut was
pretty well priced, pretty well anticipated by the market. However,
since the US close, Asian and Austra Asian equity markets
are sort of cheering a bit more and they're sort
of up one to two percent since.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Then, Sam, do you have any opinion on whether this
is going to impact what our Reserve bank governor does?

Speaker 6 (01:24:37):
I think, Look, I think Adrian's and is oh Man,
but I do think that when the most important central
bank in the world is cutting rates at double time,
usually we move in twenty five basis point moves, albeit
that the last few years has been abnormal and that
we're moving in fifty basis point moves. Yeah, I think
it does give you a It puts some wind at
you're back and gives you some confidence to cut rates

(01:24:59):
more aggressively.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Okay, what do investors need to think about when that?
Considering all of the stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:25:04):
We're on a journey.

Speaker 19 (01:25:05):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:25:05):
It's good.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
We've all been waiting for this for a long time.
It was a torrid rate hike cycle that drove you know,
the worst bond market return in one hundred and fifty
years and twenty twenty two, and bond investors had a
fitty peppered year last year as well. So if this
rate cutting cycle continues to pace, the stronger returns for
bond investors that we've started to see this year should continue.

(01:25:26):
So that's good news. And remember, as a simple equity guy.
I always remind myself interest rates go down, bond prices
go up. So that's good stuff from a consumer equity
market investors perspective. The interest rate relief is appreciated, but
we need to be careful what we wish for here.
So if the Fed really does start putting the accelerated
down and cutting faster than we expect, you've got to

(01:25:48):
try and figure out what that means. That means the
underlying economy is growing weaker and expected, and that's likely
to hit corporate profits. So ideally we want a gentle
rate cutting cycle driven driven by the sewing economy, rather
than a panic rate cutting cycle.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Yeah, absolutely, Sam, thank you very much, as always appreciated
that Sam Dickie official funds. It's eighteen away from seven
back home here at Wayne Brown's Twitter account is actually
worth following. Wayne Brown is not your He's not your
key demographic of nailing the old social media? Do you
know what I mean? Because he's a boomer and generally

(01:26:25):
it is accepted by the younger generations that boomers tend
to suck a little bit at the social media. But
not our Wayne, not the mayor of Auckland. He's making
fun of his own council on Twitter today, and you
know how I feel about councils, so I'm quite well
on board with this. Specifically, what he's making fun of
them for is they spent somewhere around two hundred and
sixty thousand dollars on a set of stairs, sorry, not

(01:26:46):
one set of stairs, four sets of four very short
sets of stairs at Milford Beach on the north shore
of Auckland. And when you work it out, it works
out at more than nine thousand dollars per step per step,
not per stare per step, nine thousand dot. You can
buy a nice car for nine thousand dollars or you

(01:27:07):
can buy a single step if you work for Auckland Council.
So today he went to the Simplicity site and this
is where they make stairs, and he got his photo
taken grinning like a cheshire cat has got high vis
on this This is his happy place, high vers, hard hat,
smiling as he is having a good time next to

(01:27:27):
a set of stairs. And then he put the photo
on Twitter and he said found these steps at a
bargain cost of three thousand, five hundred dollars. That's three
hundred and eighty eight dollars per step. I hope that
amongst all of us in Auckland who follow him on Twitter,
the people in charge of steps at Auckland Council do
as well. Inder Brady's next.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
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Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Brady UK correspondence with us into.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Hello, Hello Heather, good to speak to well.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
Okay, So this is just coming out from the BBC
right now that Muhammad al Fayed has been accused of rape, yes.

Speaker 15 (01:28:11):
Multiple multiple rapes over many, many years.

Speaker 8 (01:28:14):
This is a major piece of.

Speaker 15 (01:28:15):
Investigative journalism by BBC reporters and they have spoken to victims.

Speaker 8 (01:28:21):
They have spoken to the head of security who was
at Harold's, who had worked for him at the time,
dozens of employees, people who worked on the shop floor,
and it is a pattern of predatory abuse by a
man who was clearly a sexual predator. And al Fayed
would walk the shop floor speak to any new particularly young.

(01:28:42):
He had a very keen interest in young girls, any
new young employees. They will be promoted up to the
offices where he was and selected for abuse. And this
happened in London, in Paris, San Tropez, anywhere he went. Basically,
the mask has absolutely been ripped from the face of
Muhammad Alphayed, albeit many years too late.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Look, and let's be clear about this in the you know,
read reading what the BBC is publishing. This is not
a case of mistaken consent. That this is quite clearly
out and out right, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:29:16):
Oh categorically yes, yes, it's it's absolutely disgusting. And I
salute every single woman who has appeared in this documentary film.
Their surnames haven't been used, some have appeared on screen,
some have appeared anonymously, as is their right, but they
have all spoken out about what Muhammad Alphaya did to them.
And this is a pattern. And the pattern is exactly

(01:29:37):
the same all people who were brought in. You know,
it's a big, prestigious place in the heart of London
with a name that the world knows. Getting a job
there was a big deal and he basically worked his
way through the young female population of the staff of
Harod's And it's disgusting and it kind of you know,
I think for a lot of the victims. That must

(01:29:59):
really really hurt them to know that the Crown's portrayal
of al Fayre was as this kind of you know, royal, obsessive,
almost avuncular, harmless old man who just wanted his son
to marry Diana when they knew he was a rapist.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Hey, so he's also accused of having bugged phones and
typing people or tapping people and stuff like that. What
was that all about?

Speaker 15 (01:30:19):
So he was absolutely obsessed to know if any of
these girls were talking to each other. So all lines
of communication were being tapped and bugged, and he had
people listening to everything.

Speaker 8 (01:30:30):
There was a culture of fear.

Speaker 15 (01:30:31):
It was basically instilling fear in the workforce that don't
speak outline or you will be dealt with. And it
was run like the Third Reich with a rapist at
the top. It's disgusting. I'm sure people will if they
want more detail, they can go into it and watch
the BBC's work. But it's quite scary to think that
this went, this went unpunished, and it was decades and

(01:30:55):
decades of abuse.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Hey, why is Sue Gray so valuable?

Speaker 15 (01:30:59):
So that's a good question. She's earning more than the
Prime minister. Would you believe she's his chief of staff?
And the story has come out today. I think she
may have made an enemy or two in the last
forty eight hours. But her salary is all over the
papers today and basically she's earning about approximately three hundred
and fifty three k and Z, which is about seven
and a half thousand dollars more than kir Starmer. And

(01:31:21):
a lot of people asking me the question, how can
the advisor be earning more than the prime minister? But
that is absolutely the case, and I think there's a
bit of jealousy in Number ten Downing Street that somehow
her salary is now all over the papers. We've always
known with the Prime minister earns she is the highest
paid chief of staff in British political history.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
She was that's good money. I thank you very much.
Ia really appreciated this in the brady Ow UK correspondence
ten to seven.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Head to see.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Oh this is cool. Andy. I'm going to need you
on this, I think, but this is cool if you
have I think the right equipment. SkyTV is launching what
back calling four K Ultra high diff which is like
super super super awesome TV. It's really clear. It's it's
it's four times the resolution of high definition. It's twenty

(01:32:09):
times the resolution of standard definition. Right, and you are
going to be able to watch the upcoming rugby game
this weekend in this particular format because they're going to
do a trial on a temporary pop up channel Skysport
one UHD. I don't even know what UHD means. It
sounds like some sort of milk product to me. But anyway,
Sky's brought one UHD channel two five to one whatever nerds. Okay,

(01:32:31):
you know what we're talking about here. But here's the thing.
So I'm really excited about that because frankly, who doesn't
want to see these boys in even clearer definition and
brighter colors? Do you know what I mean? But it
only applies to Sky customers with a subscription to skysport
and a new skybox, right, Andy, wat's the new skybox?
How do you know if you've got a new skybox.

Speaker 29 (01:32:50):
It's white, the new white box that you would have
got on I got that. Yeah, you got the one
and you can watch it. And it's also it's next weekend,
not this weekend, by the.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Way, not this weekend. So is it this weekend?

Speaker 29 (01:32:59):
Or was it the twenty eighth twenty first?

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 29 (01:33:02):
Oh does it sound that sheet that I gave you
that I've definitely pre read.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Now doesn't Okay, it's one of them anyway.

Speaker 16 (01:33:09):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
That's a big thing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
I don't know. Just yeah, I mean this is like, okay,
so what we've done here is we've given you partial information.
Now you're gonna have to fill in the blanks. But
I feel like we've given you enough to be able
to kind of get you started on your journey into
the four k you know, because you can tell I
don't know what I'm talking about here, but I've got
the white box, so if it's on this weekend, I'm
watching it. Thank you, Andy, you're here. I was like,
Andy's gonna help me out. Andy was no help to
me at all. I d away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
Whether it's Macro micro or just playing economics, it's all.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
On the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and my HR,
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Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
Heather. The four k UHD will chew up the storage
on your system uber fast if you record it. Chris,
thank you very much. I'm not gonna I'm not going
to record it. I no, it's it's it's normal times
ran big, So you just watch it live, don't you.
And also Andy has gone and double checked and in
fact it is not this weekend, so just call your jets.
It's next weekends. Ones is the second second game that

(01:34:06):
we're going to be doing this over in Australia. Big
moment for them. They are doing their own version of
the Office. They've released the trailer.

Speaker 26 (01:34:15):
People ask me, how can I become a great boss,
and the answer is having a happy staff.

Speaker 19 (01:34:20):
I love you.

Speaker 27 (01:34:21):
As of today, we are all back in the office
full time.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
What it's not good news? Die Arms, can you please?

Speaker 20 (01:34:31):
I like promoting women into positions of power.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
That's my manta. Really, I've never heard you say that.

Speaker 27 (01:34:37):
Oh my back hurts from carrying all my sisters all
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Our gay.

Speaker 16 (01:34:42):
Well, i'll see you around. Yeah, you definitely will be
on my desk all day.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
Okay, well i'll see you there.

Speaker 16 (01:34:49):
You will for the next nine hours.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
Now, I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, why what?

Speaker 21 (01:34:55):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Why? Now? It's been twenty three years since the original Office,
And that's a fair question. I don't really, I don't again,
Andy hasn't provided me with the answer to that question.
I don't know why they're just doing it now. Did
you know that that there are twelve remakes of the
original already in various countries. The US obviously did it,
that was the one with Steve Carroll that did quite well.
And then there's the Germans who did it. The Indians
did it, the French did it, the Saudi Arabians did it,

(01:35:17):
Poland did it as well. Now Australia is doing it.
Very mixed reviews. Actually, when I say mixed reviews, that
suggests that some reviews are good. None of the reviews
are good. They're all bad, embarrassing cringe. Someone has said
it's the ray Gun of the Office Cinematic universe, and
some are very worried it's going to be a crappy
version of Utopia, which brings me to Utopia. I watched

(01:35:41):
Utopia because Laura, the producer told me to watch Utopia.
She thought it was like mildly entertaining Australian television. To
the only Australian television she's watched. I've watched Utopia. Utopia
is a crappy version of Utopia. So if this is
a crappy version of Utopia. We're really in the doldrums here.
Have you tried watching Utopia? No?

Speaker 29 (01:36:01):
I've never even heard of it on Netflix.

Speaker 16 (01:36:05):
Is it in four K?

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
It's what is it called nation building Australia. I don't
know if it's in four K, probably not.

Speaker 16 (01:36:10):
Don't watch stuff in four K.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
It's about a public service that tries to build something
and I watched one episode. I don't want to know
what they build and I never want to see them
ever again. It was dull carry on.

Speaker 16 (01:36:20):
Yeah, back to the officing.

Speaker 29 (01:36:21):
I think I think Australia do make some good comedies though,
Colin from accounts you've seen that, very very very good.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Kath and Kim.

Speaker 29 (01:36:27):
Kath and Kim up in very good, like there's some
potential there.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
None of this is what Laura has watched. She was
all like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 29 (01:36:35):
Yeah, now she needs to go onto those Yeah, start
with Colin, then go to Upper Middle Bogan.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:36:41):
I LOLd of it and that was very good.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
Kath and Kim a little.

Speaker 29 (01:36:45):
I was a young for Kath and Kim.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
Some light's high.

Speaker 16 (01:36:48):
Yeah, that's very good.

Speaker 29 (01:36:49):
Chris, Chris, Lily, isn't it?

Speaker 24 (01:36:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
He's very good.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Yeah, I'll look at you. You know, you just know
this the four K stuff.

Speaker 29 (01:36:55):
Okay, Right, tonight we go out with like every show
on the station. Luke Colmbs has geet Zia on two
shows in Park. This is going to be very, very successful,
I believe if it was anything to go by Chris Stapleton,
who there were sixty thousand people waiting with me in
the queue for Spark Arena, I thought this well got
pretty well cool.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Yeah, yeah cool. I've no idea what he's talking about. Actually,
to be honest with you, see you tomorrow

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
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