Full Show Podcast: 21 January 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spithens to find the real story. Or
it's Andrew Dickens on hither dupers Alan Dry with one
New Zealand let's get connected and news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
It'd be well, good afternoon to you, Thank you for
choosing us. Welcome to the show. I'm Andrew Dickens at
a seven after four. Today they're helping hand for the
people who are unbanked. West PAC's bright eyed here in
about two minutes. All show long, the triumphant inauguration of
Donald Trump. We've got a Republican strategist at five oh five.

(00:34):
How short are we of teachers for twenty twenty five?
And the ridiculous complaints about television ads? Can you believe
someone complained about an ad that featured a man and
budgie smokers? Come on, people, have we lost our sense
of humor? There's twenty five of them and we'll talk
about what people find so offensive about them later in
the show. What ads do you find offensive? Text meet

(00:56):
ninety two ninety two small charge applies. You can text
email me Dickens at US to it said B dot
co dot and Z. Welcome on and it's eight after four.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Dickens.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yes, the triumphant return of Donald Trump. It was a
magnificent inauguration ceremony. In my opinion, it just just had everything.
So welcome back, mister President. I am right behind you,
except on one thing. So one of the first notifications
I had when I woke up was from the Guardian

(01:28):
and it was fact checking the inauguration speech. Obviously they're
trying to imply that he's lying, he's a fantasist and
he's a concern. Now I ask you, why would you
do that. You know that any politician in any country,
and particularly Donald Trump, he's the king of it, is
going to bluster and exaggerate to prove their point and
tell people what they think. And so of course he

(01:49):
said things like America split the atom when we know
it was a New Zealander in England who came from
just outside of Nelson, Which is why we're going to
talk to Nick Smith a bit later on. You see,
bias is a politician's job, and Donald Trump went to
the American people said this is my bias, this is
what I believe. Had enough voters shared that bias and
elected him and the Senate and Congress with an overwhelming mandate.

(02:14):
So good on him. So whatever he busters, good luck
to him. All of it doesn't worry me apart from
one thing. He's gone straight to work today and placed
tariffs on Mexico and Canada by February, and he said
he's going to make a decision on the rest of
the world later. So my concern is that in making
America great again, he makes America's friends poor. We are

(02:40):
America's friend. We were America's friend under Reagan. We were
America's friend under Bush, We were America's friend under Trump.
We were also America's friend under Clinton, Obama, and Biden.
And so I implore the Trump administration not to punish
US with tariffs because they let China, Mexico, Canada steal

(03:01):
their manufacturing base. Hitting US with tariffs will be but
a drop in the ocean for the mighty American economy,
but for our little country on the edge of the world,
it could be devastating. So, mister President, don't punish us
for making some tasty beef and milk, because to do
so will be very ruthless, and to do so will
be extraordinarily cruel. Andrew Dickens Westpac wants to introduce a

(03:25):
new type of basic bank account to make sure people
who struggle to get a normal bank account aren't left
out in the cold. The bank has just published a
report that looked into this. It suggests a basic transaction
account could decrease the unbanked population. These are people like
people who have cognitive disabilities, former and current prisoners, bankrupts,
and young people from tougher backgrounds. So Katherine McGrath is

(03:49):
Westpac's chief executive and joins me. Now, Hello, Katherine, hi, Andrew,
are you good. So what are the reasons why people
might not have access to a bank account.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Well, it can be a number of things. Of our
identity and proof of address tend to be really important
things to open a bank account, and that's important for
anti money laundering legislation. But it can also inadvertently cause
real barriers. And that could be because somebody doesn't have
a driver's license, for example, It could be because hard

(04:18):
for them to get their birth certificates, or it could
be because they've been in prison and their bank has
closed their bank account.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
And of course you come out of prison, you can't
get a bank account. You try to get a job,
they won't put your money into They can't put your
money into a bank account, therefore you can't get the job,
and it becomes a vicious circle.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
So we think it's incredibly important that banking is as
inclusive as possible because it makes it easier for all
of us to fully participate in communities. But there are
some segments that have a greater risk, and so having
an account with more limited features might be able to
help resolve this issue or at least make it less

(04:59):
bad than.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
It is to Well, how is a basic bank account
different from a regular bank account.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
So they have basic bank accounts in the UK, where
I spent quite a bit of time in that market.
They don't have overdrafts. The type of transactions can be
a wee bit restricted. If we're giving bank accounts to
people who we're slightly worried about, we might monitor the
transactions more closely, and that's with the agreement of the

(05:27):
person that's opened the account, and so they minimize the
risk for the bank, but still let somebody fully participate
in terms of getting regular payments and being able to
make their payments out.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Now, you gave me a UK example, and that's because
you're not offering a basic bank account yet, because you
want all banks to be offering these basic bank accounts,
So the question is why aren't they all or the
other question could be why don't you just crack on?

Speaker 4 (05:54):
So I think traditionally in New Zealand it hasn't necessarily
been seen as a particular issue. We're doing it as
a more ad hoc process at the moment, and some
of this insight has come from a broader reports that
we've done in terms of the million Newszalanders who identify
with having some form of disability, because if you have

(06:16):
cognitive disabilities, or visual disabilities, or even address disabilities, those
are things that can cause challenges when you're trying to
open a bank account. So we are doing it to
some extent, but we think as an industry approach, including
with the regulators, that could make it easier to do so,
working with the regulators and then ensuring that everybody across

(06:37):
the industry does do their part, because otherwise you've got
one segment who's frankly banking people who don't really make
the money because it's the right thing to do. We
think that's a responsibility that should be shared across the industry, and.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
There's lots of barriers for people in all areas of banking.
For instance, if you don't have braille on a pin machine,
on your pin thing, then the blind can't do it.
I know of one bloke who says, when you can't
figure out where the buttons are, you end up with
two choices who either walk out or you give somebody
your pin, and you don't want to do either.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Completely agree. So designing products and services so they work
for everybody is really important. So whether that's on an
FoST terminal, making sure that it's got tactile thing so
it's easy to work out where the numbers are, which
is something that we've been working with our providers to do.
That's a really good thing to do. A number of

(07:34):
banks in New Zealand, including US, have debit and credit
cards with notches and braille on them, so that makes
it easier as well. And then I think another important
group we've been doing training with our teams about recognizing
what the sunflower lanyard or pin indicates. And that's someone
who's saying I might need extra help which may not

(07:55):
be that visible to you. So because I'm wearing this
lanyard or this pin, please ask me what additional help
I need. And I think that's a great way of
uncovering in a way that feels good to everybody what
additional support could be required.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
It's a great idea. Katherine McGrath, westpacchief Executive, joining me
on the basic bank account. I can just tell you
a little story about me. When I was do my
OE in the nineties, I was staying in a sublet
house that might have been sublet illegally for three years.
It was in France, and that meant I didn't have
a proof of address. If I didn't have a proof

(08:29):
of address, that means I couldn't get a bank account.
That means I had for three years I had to
be paid in cash. I had cash everywhere, in sugar bowls, everywhere.
It was a nightmare. It also mean I couldn't get
a telephone, which is also a nightmare. For three years,
my parents couldn't contact me. Having proof of address is
vitally important and having a basic bank account these days

(08:50):
essential for everybody. Sixteen after four I watched tennis last night.
Gai mon Fias, what an amazing man. Did not win,
but he did a thing called walking tennis. I want
to talk about that with Darcy Wildergrave and that's.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Next, who will take the White House results and analysis
of the US election? On Hither duplessy Alum Drive with
One New Zealand Let's get connected the.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
News Talks at BE.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
This is News Talks at B and Darcy Autograve. Happy
New Year.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
And to yourself as well, although on the twenty first
of the first you'd suggest after three weeks it's like
still having a Christmas tree upwards.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Incidentally I do, yes, I took mine down on Sunday. Anyway,
I've not seen you this year, so it's such a
delight to you. And I know you had a beautiful
summer of love and this is all good. Hey. So
I was watching tennis last night. It was Gail mom
Feace against his kid Shelton, and in the final set
that they played, Gail was playing the thing that the
commentator is called walking tennis, where you just slip around

(09:48):
the place, you just walk to your shots and then
you unleash, and he ended out taking all the way
to the tiebreak and I said, on behalf of all
older tennis players, Gal mom Feasts, you are my hero.
He quit after that because he lost the tiebreak. But
it was a beautiful thing.

Speaker 7 (09:59):
Eh.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
It's like playing squash with old men. They just stand
in the middle and just direct the ball around and
just run around.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
The circles, and it went beautiful. Tonight's quite pleased to you.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Went out because that means I could switch over and
watch the Wellington Phoenix win because I was excited Old
Big Jim arms there. I don't know if you remember that
action figure from back in the day. It's a gym
with the depressed back.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it, and you pull
the cord and he says stuff I don't know. I understand.
Now tonight's big game, ten ten to nights and this
is Novak Djokovic, the world's most sensitive tennis player. You
can't make you can't take fun out, am Can you also?
Cars Akkavath, the new the new nadle Ol Carras.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
Yeah, everyone knows what you're talking about and who you're
talking about. Nadal, Sorry, Nadal, You see I've already swapped
it out with the Spaniard. Djokovic does this to himself
deliberately because it gives him this edge. He gets riled
by silly little things. Yeah, when he could just leave
it behind. Look the guy insulted him to a degree,
doesn't matter, No, get on with it. But he likes

(11:05):
to light a fire under what he's doing because that
gives them that edge, It gives them that urity, give
them that attitude.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
So will he have enough edge to beat the to
beat the young buck?

Speaker 6 (11:17):
Well, this is the problem, isn't it. The young man
al karavrav Rath is exactly that he's young. He's full
of running. And look, maybe Novak will pull the old
man tennis out all stand.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
There running around the course and see.

Speaker 6 (11:31):
But I think the field that he's got at the moment,
what Djokovic has got, what he's staring down the barrel
of to become like the statistical goat across men and
women in history. That is one hell of a driver
for any athlete. So what I do know is that
I'll be up really late because I'd expect it to
go five sets, So she's going to be a long.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Long Meanwhile, New Zealand is doing great. Aaron rautlift through
to the women's double semi finals and she's in the
mixed up as well with Michael Venice or that's just
starting shorts quarter final. This yeah, he is in the
quarter finals, so she could get through to a second
semi final. That's amazing.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Yeah, Gabby Drowski is a doubles partner and did that
in straight sets, easy enough, flook their competition wasn't ranked
as high as they were there a number two seeds
in that, But you've still got to beat the players
in front of you and I come back and do
it all over again. And she's been one of the
success stories in New Zealand tennis of a recent time.
So really good to watch that. I hope Venus does well.

(12:29):
We all love Michael Venus and that Gabby doesn't run
it a step so not Gabby, that Aaron doesn't run
out a steam too much during that. But it should
be good. And after getting any taste of live tennis
at the ASP Classic over the break, I'm excited again
to carry on watching it, of course at this level.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, and then in this time zone. Oh yes, that's
the great.

Speaker 6 (12:50):
Unless it's till in the morning and they're still playing,
which case is not so great.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
But do you go, Monica doctor tennis arena roof, yes, yes, yes,
twenty five mil come on? Well is that all?

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah? Really? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Well, you know what they do.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
The glen Eaden Intermediate School that my daughter used to
attend right back in the day, they put something up
over their courts. I know it wouldn't have cost them
twenty five million dollars.

Speaker 8 (13:13):
They got to.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Poles in the girls wishday. Girls have got three netball
courts under a cover.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
What they need is a bit of canvas or some
tar paul and a bit of rope and a couple
of bamboo sticks.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
This sweep love your work tonight at seven o'clock. Darcy Waldgrave.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Andrew dickens on.
Hither duplessy Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected the news talks they'd be.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Now you can text me ninety two ninety two small
charge applies. Texas says that idiot Channel nine reporter would
never have said the same thing about Federer or Nadal,
so why is it okay to say that about Djokovic.
And that's a fair enough point, okay. Meanwhile, the Serbian
Council of Australia want Tony Jones, the aforesaid idiot Channel
nine reporter, to be sacked for his Djokovic jokes and

(14:05):
we'll be talking about that with Murray Olds in about
fifteen minutes time. Now. Twenty five of the pickiest and
most peculiar complaints of New Zealand advertisements in the past
twelve months is the story and it is remarkable about
what people complained about in our television ads. For instance,
a Pictures and Cream ad for a vibrator. The problem
with that is it featured a vibrator Latitude Homes. The

(14:29):
complaint says. The advert shows a Kiwi crossing a pedestrian
crossing and nearly getting run over. The car should have stopped.
Universal Homes. The complaint says. This advert shows a man
picking his nose and it ran at dinner time of
for goodness sake, Frank Energy complainant. Frank Energy advert shows

(14:50):
two older female adults on exercise equipment that is making
their loose skin wobble at making noises to show that
they're unfit. This is a come on the kiwibank ad
featuring togs in a suburban street. That's disgusting and also
sexual harassment. I found that a bit of a weird
complaint too. Muzz has written to me dickens if I

(15:13):
saw you and Budgie smugglers too. Ir be making a complaint,
fair point, most Michel writes, Andrew readvertisement that causes me
much irritation with the series. The one series of the
ongoing story about the young man who goes to Scotland
looking for his first mother. It's been shown for the
next for six months now and ends with a to
be continued, And it hasn't been continued. What's going to

(15:34):
happen next? Well, keep listening to find.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Out, putting the challenging questions to the people at the
heart of the story. It's Andrew Dickens on Hither Duper
Se Alan Drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected
and youth talks.

Speaker 9 (15:48):
That'd be you well along, yell cool dicey.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
The weather opened to the program.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
My name is Andrew Dicks.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
I'm here for a week.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Next week it's Ryan Bridge. Heather's had a baby. Baby
has called makayd. It is now twenty four minutes to five.
Text through from Lynn. The very best to add is
the Turner's ad so very funny. The singing off key
show us your Honda Ronda, your Forward Lord always gives
me a giggle. Lynn I also know a lot of
people who absolutely hate that ad to test that ad

(16:23):
and have always hated Tina from Turner's And then when
Tina Turner actually died, of course, there was just horror
because people started saying, not the girl from the ads, No, no,
Tina Turner, the singer, the queen of rock and roll.
But there you have it. I see that The Herald's
search of the best beach is coming to an end.
Thankfully my beach did not make the list. I reckon

(16:44):
being a favorite beach is the kiss of death. Look
at Cathedral Cove, look at that beach in Thailand on
in the film The Beach. You don't want to go there.
It's just packed. The finalists also heavily skewed to the
North Island, so this is a pop a post code
of population bias. That means Dunedin's Tomahawk Beach fails to
make the lists. And what a beach? Rugged, white sand, dramatic, empty,
the seals of the sea. Elephants love it, so do I.

(17:06):
There are very few bad beaches in New Zealand. I
celebrate the ball and I hope my favorite stay secret
because the only thing these quests and lists do is
push up real estate prices in places like Haje Americana
and Raglan.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's the world wires on news talks.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
They'd be drive for the twenty first of January nineteen
ninety five inauguration day, and President Donald Trump has had
a very busy day, went on forever, started early, kept
going into the balls after his inauguration ceremony, he did
speeches at three separate inaugural balls, and he danced with
so many people, and he signed some executive orders. From

(17:43):
the sound of it, he had a great time those
beautiful and under inaugurations.

Speaker 10 (17:47):
And from the sounds, the temperature was seventy.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Seventy three degrees. That's not too bad except outside this
ceasefire and guard now that is holding for now. Over
the next six weeks, thirty three Israeli hostages are to
be set free in exchange for the release of two
thousand Palestinian prisoners. So some Palestinians have already returned to Gaza,
and when they've got there, they've found that their homes

(18:18):
are rubble.

Speaker 11 (18:19):
The moment they announced the ceasefire agreement will come into
effect at eight point thirty in the morning, we decided
to arrive here at nine. We set up a tent
for ourselves and started fixing what we could in the
house using simple tools like hammers, jacks and pickaxes. Even
those who have heavy equipment won't be able to use
them because of a lack of gasoline.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
And finally, one example to.

Speaker 11 (18:41):
Be based on divorce Babe.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Divorce adel or is that a Delhi. A new study
out of Australia has found that little blue penguins don't
always make for life. Some penguins will return to the
same breeding partner every year. Others will get penguin divorce
and they'll go out and look for news, particularly after
poor reproductive seasons. They don't use tinder, do they use tweets?

(19:07):
The study also found that even the penguins that stick
with one partner, they have extra marital affairs from time
to time.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business, and.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
That murray olds is what public money is spent on
in Australia. The mating habits of penguins.

Speaker 12 (19:27):
I know, but fish breathmate not very good.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Very good afternoon to you, Okay, bad afternoon. Another anti
Semitic attack in Sydney this morning.

Speaker 12 (19:36):
That's right. It was a childcare center set a light
and graffiti sprayed around, just down the street from the
synagogue at Marubra in the Eastern Suburbs. And that really
has proven for Anthony Albanesi that enough's enough. He's been
getting pushed by Peter Dutton, the Opposition leader, and by
Albanese's own Jewish especially appointed a Jewish administrator or counselor.

(20:02):
I just forget her official title, but look at Jewish
elder who has been enlisted by the government to provide
advice on the best way forward. She's been saying, convene
National Cabinet, get all the political leaders of Australia around
the same table at the same time and have a
chat about how to go forward from here. He's been
resisting that because why Peter Dutton's been howling for it.

(20:24):
Well it's happening this afternoon, because enough's enough. Albaneze happened
to be in Sydney this morning. He doesn't live far
from Marubra, so he and the Premier of New South
Wales went there this morning to have a look. They
met the local rabbi who said, you know, it's just
what life is like now in Australia, and a lot
of Australian Jews are saying, who the heck would have thought?

Speaker 5 (20:44):
But ever see this here?

Speaker 12 (20:46):
So there's a National Cabinet meeting at five o'clock local
time this afternoon, and politically what it's done, and it
was give Peter Dutton the whip hand. He's been trying
to link community safety as an issue with anti Semitism
and Albanese. Now looks like he's playing catch up once again.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, well sometimes you just have to accept common sense.
But there we go.

Speaker 13 (21:05):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Meanwhile, Donald Trump's inauguration.

Speaker 14 (21:08):
I thought it was magnificent, did you, Well yeah, look yeah,
but I'm glad it wasn't outside because there would have
been endless debate over how many people actually turned up
at least inside the ballroom.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
And it's very cold weather. But Donald looks like he's
sporting in magnificent tan. But anyway, from the Australian point
that's true, he's looking great, he's looking great. But from
the s raand point of view, you have Foreign Minster
Pennywong and US Ambassador Kevin Rudd there.

Speaker 12 (21:36):
That's right, yes, and I mean they were there obviously
for the inauguration. They were invited, both of them invited there,
our top diplomat and the ambassador to Washington, which was
all very good from Australia's point of view. Certainly, Penny
Wong thought it was a done good thing that we
were invited. Australia was invited because she also, of course
met up with Marco Rubio, who's President Trump's incoming a

(22:00):
chief diplomat himself. Marco Rubio, he was in the Senate
confirmation hearing last week. You said, listen, you know the
US administration is going to back UCAS, which is the
Australian UK US partnership. He says, it's a blueprint for
other partnerships to take on China. So it's good that
Penny Wong was there. She says, listen, it's a day

(22:22):
of profound importance, not just for Aralive, it for the
whole world. The Orcas Submarine Pact is one of the
things that she discussed with Rubio. As for Kevin Rudd,
he's been working pretty hard to repair any damage. He
did suggest that President Trump was a traded to the
West and the most destructive president in history. But look,

(22:44):
I mean, is he going to get flicked. He's not
going to get flicked as far as Australia is concerned,
at least at this point. I mean, if Donald Trump
wakes up tomorrow and says I don't like that guy, rude,
I dare say he'll be gone by the end of
the week.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
That's true enough, But I wish you are the very
best of that, because the thing for both of our
kind are the tariffs, and the tariffs are coming in
from Mexico and Canada from the first of February, and
he's deciding on the rest of the world later, and
we are America's friends and he doesn't need to ruin us.

Speaker 12 (23:12):
Well, let's just wait and see. I mean, he's such
a capricious leader. You never know what he's going to
do from one moment of the next. The big thing
I'm waiting for is how long this bromance between him
and Musk is going to last. I cannot imagine those
two monstrous egos in the same room for very long
without sparks flying, honestly.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
And look, I hate to go back to the Djokovic
teasing and his reaction because I thought it was a
small thing, but now I hear the Serbian Council of Australia,
while Tony Jones, who made the bad benter, they want
him sacked.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
Well, yeah, I know. I mean, look, I've heard of
Tony Jones.

Speaker 12 (23:47):
He's a very well regarded sports broadcaster down in Melbourne,
be doing it for I think about forty years, and
I must say I've never heard of the Serbian Council
of Australia. But the Council is far from satisfied with
the groveling apology that Jones issued. It wants the Human
Rights Commission to step in and investigate these quote racist,

(24:08):
unquote comments. The Council says, where's the other quote here?
Nina Markovich is a member of the Council. We believe
this could have been a breach of Section eighteen see
of the Racial Discrimination Act and Section twenty see of
the Any discriminator, go away, go away, just give us
a break. Even Djokovic has moved on. Yes, look, I mean,

(24:32):
I know you wound up some of the fans. Some
of the fans thought it was it was pretty grotty,
it was offensive, racist, only served to incites further.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
Discrimination of Australian Serbs.

Speaker 12 (24:41):
Well, I mean, I think she's being a bit daft
to be frank. Move on, it's a tennis it's.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Donald Trump inauguration day. Woke asm as over mate.

Speaker 12 (24:52):
And tonight, of course Djokovic seventh seed. I had to
look that up. I'd heard that. I wasn't sure.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
I didn't.

Speaker 14 (24:57):
I look it up.

Speaker 12 (24:58):
Alcaaz is third. Forget Alcaraz beat Djokovic in straight sets
at Wimbledon last year. But Djokovic is going to be
really fired up and all the Serbian fans in the
crowd are going to be going crazy.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's going to be great TV. And I thank you
so much. Murray Olds from Australia here on News Talks Hereb.
It is now a quarter to five and in a
few moments time the return of the talkback host from
summer to daytime primetime radio. Jason Walls, our political editor,
will be joining us to talk politics. This is before

(25:30):
the National Party Caucus retreat which is happening tomorrow, and
retreats a bad word. They're not retreating and they aren't.
They striding forward. Jason Walls is next here on News
Talks HEBB.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
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Speaker 2 (25:46):
It is twelve minutes to five. Jason Walls, welcome back
to the program.

Speaker 15 (25:50):
Oh, thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Andrew, congratulations on your first and at talkback. How was
it for you?

Speaker 15 (25:56):
I honestly loved it. I really did. It's you know,
talk a lot of people who've talked back a really
bad name and say it's really boring or cast dispersions
on the people that call that. I really enjoyed it.
You get to talk to some really fascinating people and
get a lot of opinions on things. So yeah, I
hope to be back at some point.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I heard you talking to one fellow who had been
using the Working for Family text credits about school uniforms,
and you were very honest and it was very good.
You said, I've never had to apply for these, how
do you do it? And how do you get the
money in your account? And I also have never had
to apply for that because it came and well, I
would never have got it anywhere. I've never had a
benefit of my life anyway. That's what was educational about
that show. You did very well. But let's get back

(26:33):
to your real business and let's talk about the National
Party Caucus retreat. Starts tomorrow. How are they feeling?

Speaker 15 (26:39):
You know, I think they're probably a bit of a
mixed mood within the National Party caucus. I mean, the
reshuffle were to put the fear of God into many MP's.
I mean, Luxin's proved a few times now that if
you're not performing, he's more than willing to demote you
with seemingly no remorse. I mean, he's extremely focused on
this team that he's put together, and I've always said

(27:01):
that his biggest strength is the team that he puts together.
And the more and more that he does these sort
of chopping changings to get what he likes to say,
his aces in his places, the more and more I
think this is probably where his strength as the Prime
Minister lies in his ability to delegate. But you know,
there may be these things may be weighing on the
sort of the more middle of the pack ministers with

(27:22):
the likes of James Meager and Chris Pank and a
few others looking to climb the ranks. And so if
they're doing well, I mean the Prime Minister might be
looking at clearing a little bit more dead would soon.
So they've got to be watching their back. There's also
this poll that came out last week when national slid
four and a half percentage points to now they're in
the twenties to twenty nine, lower than the Labor Party,
and that will be weighing on the MPs as they

(27:44):
meet for the first time this year in Hamilton. Now
the theme is as I understand it and get this
economic growth. Surprise surprise. In that poll, the one that
we're talking about, more people said that they had a
worse economic out look on the economy than the other
way around. So more people think that we're on the
worst track than the right track, which is a death

(28:05):
mark for any government. So they'll be working on the
messaging around that. In terms of what they'll be doing well,
I understand that Rocket Lab CEO and founder Peter Beck
is doing a session with MPs about innovation and what
it means for the economy. So hopefully that's going to
put them on the straight and narrow when they get
back to it.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Can I just say that poll was lenked and that
poll was done by Courier, and that Courier, of course,
is the operation run by David Farrer, So I believe
that there was a reason why the poll was leaked
and that changes in the air for the National Party
over the course of the next couple of months. Now
stats n z it has clear final order over his
actions during the sentence. But there's another investigation too, and

(28:43):
this is into the use of official data at the election.
So where where's that all at?

Speaker 15 (28:48):
Indeed, So it's interesting because there's a few things happening
within investigations to Statistics New Zealand and a couple of
other places. Now you'll remember that there were some eyebrows
raised when Statistics New Zealand threw final aura used one
hundred dollars food vouchures in a bid to get primarily
Mary to do their census in twenty twenty three. But
Stats ends that have been cleared of any wrongdoing over this,

(29:10):
and that's because it was done under a contract to
enhance FARO contribution, basically to encourage and support finale participation
rate in the census. The contract stated that this could
include the use of grocery vouchers of up to a
million dollars of the five mili contract which could be
set aside for these sorts of incentives. So the fact
is the report actually said that these efforts significantly increased

(29:32):
Mary participation in the census. So there is that one's
all clear, one down, one to go.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Now.

Speaker 15 (29:39):
The second one is around allegations of the misuse of
personal data at Manurewa Marai up in Auckland. So this
investigation was sparked by allegation that census data and COVID
nineteen vaccination information collected at that Marai had been misused
forty Party Marty's election campaign, so the Marii was also
a voting site. I'm sure you remember. Takutai tash Camp

(30:02):
was the party's candidates in the local Marti seat of
Tamaki Mokoto and she went on to win the seat
by just forty two votes, the slimmest of margins. In
addition to this, she was the Marii's chief executive at
the time. Now TI Party Mary has strongly rejected any
allegations of wrongdoing and they've welcomed the investigation, and President

(30:23):
John Tomahiri, who is also the CEO of Waipereera Trust,
which is also being investigated, has called for quote hard
evidence to substantiate these claims. Public Service Commissioner Sir Brian
Roach had said he had hoped the report would be
released by the end of last year, and it was
first meant to be released actually in September September the sixteenth.

(30:43):
Of course, none of those things happened. In addition to this,
at the end of last year, the Electual Commission admitted
they got it wrong by putting a voting booth at
Manurewa Marai. So after that, Nikola Willis said that she
had been advised by the Public Service Commission that they
want more time to ensure that both natural justice processes
are completed satisfactorily and that they can respond effectively to

(31:06):
the findings in the report. So we can now expect
the results of that investigation by the end of this month.
So we've got a few more days and the time
the clock is taking.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Absolutely good stuff and I thank you seven to five.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Putting the time questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
The Prime Minister Christopher lxn is with us speaking of
big jobs.

Speaker 16 (31:26):
Nichola Willis has one What parameters have you set in
order for her to grow growth?

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Is everything on the table for her? Yeah?

Speaker 16 (31:34):
Luck, there's five things that we've got to do in
our economic growth plan. What I really want as a
minister to lead and drive that a gym to throw
across all the ministries. And so Nikola will have two
parts of the job. Continue to sort out our finances
and then really get into the exciting work of actually,
how do we lay down the big foundations that we
ultimately know will lead to New Zealand becoming a much
richer place.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
And that's something and that's the visions.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
That's the vision, right, that's the goal. So the question
is how do we get there?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Ryan Bridge on them my costing breakfast back tomorrow at
six am with the Range Rover of the Law on News.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Talks Dead b Context on ninety two ninety two and
someone says, please, no one apart from the media gives
two hoots about polls. Well, that's wrong. That's why the
National Party are involved with the taxpayers Unions which are
involved the Courier and David Farrer's polling company. They politicians
care about the polls. Now, speaking of which, Inauguration Day today,
Donald Trump forty two executive orders, he did a sixty

(32:27):
minute press Q and a he's seventy eight years of age.
He did three balls and then someone did a poll
on his approval rating for his inauguration day performance, and
Americans fifty six percent approve, fifty six percent, thirty nine
percent disapprove, and five percent couldn't care less. Fifty six
percent approve. America has the president they want and good

(32:49):
on them and he's going for it. And we're going
to talk about this next with a Republican strategist about
her thoughts about this day for Donald.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Again.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Eden Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust
for the full picture.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Andrew Dickens on hither Duplicy.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Alan Drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 12 (33:30):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Welcome to the program. Good to have your company. I'm
Andrew Dickinson, the head of Duissy Allen who had her
baby last week. It is seven after five and we
have a president of the United States of America. Donald
Trump is officially president again, and he has not wasted
any time getting to work. He's laid out dozens of
executive orders that he'll sign in the coming days, and
he's already instituted many of them already, like pulling out

(33:55):
of the Paris Climate Agreement, pulling out of the World
Health Organization, pardoning twenty two one capital attack right, fifteen
hundred of them, and a border crackdown.

Speaker 10 (34:05):
And I will send troops to the southern border to
repel the disastrous invasion of our country.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
So Republican strategist Amy Takanian is joining me now.

Speaker 17 (34:15):
Hello, Amy, thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
You're a Republican, You're a strategist. What have you made
of what Donald Trump the prison has said today?

Speaker 17 (34:24):
Well, I'm not surprised by any of the actions that
were taken so far today in any of the words
that were shared as well. In his inaugural speech, he
came out swinging in Trump fashion, and with the former
administration sitting literally within a few feet in front of him,
he lambasted and pointed out the areas that he felt

(34:50):
where they did wrong. And then he pivoted into his
lengthy to do list, if you will, of ways to
make him provements, ways to fix the country as he
views them. And then he ended off on a high note,
and I thought that was a good tone, a good tenor.

(35:15):
He mentioned how Americans were courageous, full of vigor, we're proud,
we're compassionate, and we are a prosperous nation. And he
basically stated that January twentieth, twentieth is Liberation Day and
that we are now entering a golden age. So it was.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
It was very hopeful, and.

Speaker 17 (35:40):
I'm hoping that from his first term that he unfortunately
had to learn a number of things the very hard
way when he campaigned on draining the swamp and he
found out that that was virtually impossible to do. So
he had continued to surround himself with people who were

(36:00):
not good for him. He was not listening like he
probably should have, and it caused great heartache. And so
you know, in the beginning, I think we were all
very excited, and then towards the end of that term,
it became extremely chaotic and it was disappointing. So I
think this go around, we have already seen He's already

(36:21):
lined up his cabinet nominees before today even took place,
and he also had his policy advisors put together this
lengthy list of two hundred plus executive orders that he's
going to be signing in the next twenty four to
forty eight hours, and he's doing some of them as

(36:42):
we speak, and he's not wasting any time. So he's
going to be extremely aggressive and it is you know,
do I agree with everything? No, but that's fine. But
he's definitely I think he's learned his lesson and he's
moving forward quite quite quickly.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
All of this stuff and everything he said he said
in the election campaign, and he was given a mandate
to say this stuff. So the question would then be
how much of this stuff might not happen because of
legal challenges, which is what happened to those original one
hundred executive orders he did in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 17 (37:15):
Sure, well, as soon as President Biden came in, he actually,
you know, he rescinded it a lot and not number
send it. He got rid of a lot of them.
And and so now you've got a little bit of
a ping pong effect. So now that President Trump is
right back where we began before Biden did that, he's
now bringing everything back. But he's going to make sure

(37:39):
that everything is well oiled. It's going to make there's
going to be improvements made upon these executive orders. And
then now that he also has a Republican Senate and
a Republican House, the wind is at his back with
making sure that everything continues to go smoothly as possible.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
He has a mandate to make America great and absolutely,
but the rest of US and the rest of the
world worried that he may not contribute to the international
community as much as perhaps he might have done. Is
that something that you think he should be more worried
about or not.

Speaker 17 (38:21):
No, I think it's quite the opposite. I think he's
made it crystal clear that he doesn't want America to
be taken for granted, he doesn't want us to be
taken advantage of anymore. He did stay here. In the
last five minutes or so, as I'm watching him sign
these executive orders, a member of the press asked about
tariff and when would he start implementing them, and he

(38:43):
said he was going to implement a twenty five percent
tariff February first to Mexico and Canada. So that's going
to be quite an eye opener. And I don't know
if he necessarily means that or if those are just
words that he's putting out as a I guess, a warning.
I don't want to use the word threat. But you know,

(39:05):
he is a businessman, so he's going to start high
and then he negotiates yes and right. So we'll see
what happens.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
There as we will and the attack Anyan is strategist
for the Republican Party. Remember he also said something about
spitting the atom and that's upset people in Nelson. Nick
Smith is on the way, Dickens. It is now thirteen
minutes after five. Students are gearing up to return to
the classroom. Schools of course, as always lately scrambling to
find enough teachers to fill vacant positions. So the question

(39:36):
is how many are we short of? Three hundred and
forty six apparently full time vacancies and apparently the shortage
could get worse as the year goes on. So PPTA
President Chris Abber Crumbie joins me. Now, hello, Chris, how
are you? I thought pay was good. Why are we
having such a shortage these days?

Speaker 18 (39:52):
Well, it's an international issue. We know that other jurisdictions
are really struggling to get teachers. You know, using on
teachers are in really attractive to overseas jurisdictions. Is heavy,
heavy advertising campaigns to get new calendars to go to Australia,
to the UK, to the Canada, and so yeah, it's
getting more and more difficult to have teachers in the classroom, what.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Are we sure of?

Speaker 3 (40:13):
What subjects so aur and salmon.

Speaker 18 (40:16):
At across the board, there is the what sort of
has become unfortunately the traditional hard to staff, the sort
of masks the technology areas to lay Omali has been
incredibly hard to staff. But as across the board, you know,
I know of schools, particularly in the end of the year,
will find out hard to get pe teachers, teachers, and
these things that never really occurred in the past.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Well, what happens when they can't find a teacher.

Speaker 18 (40:38):
So there's a few options available, So one of them
has canceled, the class, cansel the subject. They could bring
in a short term reliever if they can find one again,
you know, it might not be a subject specialist in
that area, but they might about to find someone who
can take the class. There's a few options available. None
of them are as good as having a full time teacher,
proper teacher in the classroom. Will they look overseas, Yes,

(41:00):
overseas recruitment has become really key. Our situation will be
a lot worse if it's not. If it wasn't for
our overseas recruitment. But you have to, as I said,
we're competing in an international market. So you know, Australian
teachers are in more than New Zealand teachers, you know,
so we're losing teachers over there. We tend to recruit
from the Pacific, from the Philippines, from India where we

(41:21):
have better terms and conditions than those countries. So it
becomes a bit of a missus cycle.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Anything the government can do to help.

Speaker 18 (41:29):
So you know, absolutely we can be so government can
be looking at increasing our paying conditions that are upcoming
Cletive agreement. We know that pay helps keep people in
the profession. We know that we if we want to
increase our literacy and numeracy rates, which we all want,
and we need specialist support and secondary and we need
to keep those specialist English maths teachers, specialist literacy and

(41:51):
numeracy teachers in the in the classroom in schools, and
so we really want to be looking at that as
we go into negotiations this year.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
And of course you guarantee the kids' education.

Speaker 18 (42:00):
Well absolutely we want we needed every young person's country
to maximize it, every child maximized to their full potential
if we'd want to deal with the issues we're facing
as a nation. And so we want to make sure
we've got the best, highly highly qualified person in front
of those young people.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Chris good luck. Christ is the people TA President and
this is news Storks HEMB.

Speaker 15 (42:22):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
So the claim is that President Trump said the Americans
split the atom, and of course we know they didn't.
The first person to split the atom and it's Rutherford
and Nowsonian. He did it in England. And so we're
going to talk to Nick Smith about all of this,
and that's coming up here on Newstalks MB. It's five nineteen.
I'm Andrew Dickens. So the great split the atom controversy.

(42:44):
Everyone's clearing that Trump said that they split the atom.
Phil has texted me already and said Trump never said
they were first to split the atom, only that they
did split one. Others say they did split them in
the nuclear bomb. So what did Donald Trump say about
splitting the atoms?

Speaker 10 (43:00):
Americans pushed thousands of miles through a rugged land of
untamed wilderness. They crossed desert, scaled mountains, braved untold dangers,
won the wild West, ended slavery, rescued millions from tyranny,
lifted billions from poverty, harnessed electricity, split the atom.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
So This caused a controversy, so much so that Nick
Smith was upset about it. And Nick Smith joins me, now,
the mayor of Nelson, how are you, nick oh.

Speaker 7 (43:31):
Box of birds? Good to join your programme?

Speaker 2 (43:33):
He just said Americans split the atom. They have split
the atom. They didn't. He didn't say we were the
first to spit the atom. So why are we getting
our nickers in a knot?

Speaker 7 (43:40):
I think you're splitting he is. If you read the
statement from Donald Trump in context, that was clear of
the implication was that they were the first to split
the atom, and that is incorrect. There is lots of
fantastic things that the United States of America has achieved,
but they don't need to ex appropriate the achievements of

(44:05):
Lord Rutherford of Nelson, where the historic record is very
clear that he was the first in nineteen seventeen to
artificially trigger a nuclear reaction and to split the atom.
That scientific record can't really be questioned. It worries me

(44:27):
a little bit in the sense of America is a
great country, but they don't need to be little the
achievements of others and the achievement of Ernest Rutherford with
that scientific work as the father of modern physics should
not be undermined or misread.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Well, you're a chance around and you're taking the chances
to promote your town.

Speaker 7 (44:46):
Of course I am, and to celebrate the heritage. It
was extraordinary that a small boy that grew up in
a little place called Brightwater Foxhill and Hadlock, who went
to Nelson College, when on to make some of the
most amazing scientific discoveries in the early in the late

(45:07):
nineteenth and early twentieth century.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
And yeah, I couldn't be taken away.

Speaker 7 (45:11):
And it's inspirational for young New Zealanders that you can
come from a little town in a little country and
make that sort of contribution. And there's just no need
for President Trump to exappropriate things that other countries has
achieved in setting out his vision for America.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
And look at this. It happens to be local body
election year and here you are standing for mayor of
Nelson and you're happen to be on nationwide radio.

Speaker 7 (45:35):
Indeed, that's my job. My job is to be an
affricate for Nelson and I'll take up every opportunity to
do that.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
All right, thank you so much, Nick, And I have
to say a lot of people are already commenting that
perhaps we're getting a little bit too worried about nothing.
It's an idiom, as many people have said, it is
five twenty two. I'll go through some of that reaction
in remote.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Checking the point of the story.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
It's Ryan Bride John here, the duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected and us talk.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Say'd be trumped arrangement syndrome. You've heard about that. Some
of you are thinking that Nick Smith has it. Others
are not so sure. I'll tell you some some of
that reaction in a few moments time. But let's get
back to that inauguration speech, which I thought was fantastic.
It was great cinema. But here's one thing about it. It
feels a little bit like he's promising to take America
back to the future, back to a better time, a

(46:27):
prouder and richer time. So what's wrong with that? Nothing
is wrong with that. But he wants America to go
back to the internal combustion engine, that's for sure. He
wants to go back to making greater automobiles. He wants
to go back to oil, he says, Drill, baby, drill.
He wants to go back to manufacturing. He wants to
go back to Reagan's eighties, when America was richer and prouder,
But in doing so, you could argue he's sitting his

(46:49):
back on the future, because there is nothing wrong with progress.
If you're not progressing, you're standing still, and if you're
standing still, you're going backwards. And if you're going backwards,
you're dying. So there is nothing wrong with building the
greatest engine to power our economies. However, there is also
nothing wrong with an engine that does not pollute our planet.

(47:10):
A better engine. There's nothing wrong with building great automobiles.
But why do those automobiles need oil? Like you'll make
elon Musk and Tesla. There is nothing wrong. We're finding
a renewable energy source and replacing oil, and there's nothing
wrong with that. And in fact, to find those sorts
of answers that it would be true American exceptionalism, because

(47:36):
too many people these days politicize it. Too many people
these days confuse progress with progressivism, and they are vastly
different things. Progress is what you do to become better
every single day, and the only people who don't want
that people who are afraid of change and want to
go back Andrew dickens, Oh do you continue, Oh, US America,

(48:00):
please do not call it the name of a continent.
I'm sorry, the United States of America. There it is
all right. Next Smith and the controversy over President Trump's
statements about Lord Rutherford, if at all America split the
atom is what he said? Oh my god, who is this?
Next Smith says Ben, he's full of it. Trump never
said what Smith's saying. Candor says, I'm a national supporter.

(48:22):
But Nick has totally missed the point here about Trump's statement.
He has misinterpreted it, and that becomes a joke. Someone says, oh,
this is Sam says, honestly, Trump was clearly referring to
the Manhattan Project, where atoms were definitely split. Getting upset
about Trump claiming they split the atom as as silly
as thinking that Elon Musk made a fascist salute today,

(48:46):
take a good look at the video. Make your mind
up for yourself. Nick, Listen, we all heard it when
Andrew played it. Trump was okay. He was talking about
the great things that American has done as a descendant
of Rutherford. Says deb I'm okay with him. Hey, the
huddle's on the way. This says News Talks. He'll be stay.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
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Speaker 3 (49:12):
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Speaker 1 (49:14):
Hook moving the big stories of the day forward. It's
Andrew Dickens on Hither Duples see Alan dry with one
New Zealand let's get connected News Talks.

Speaker 12 (49:26):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
So I was welcome to the program. I'm Andrew Dickens.
It is twenty four to six of here because he
had a baby last week, Mackay girl eight pounds six.
Apparently he completely adores Mackay. Obviously Barrion's Heather completely adoring
mcau We all adore mackay. But that means that I'm
here for the rest of the and right next week
now coming up after six o'clock. It's obviously a tough

(50:04):
time to be looking for a job at the moment's
job adds are falling, and of course everybody wants jobs
and everyone wants pay rises. So we're talking to Megan
Alexander from Robert Half about how you can get our
job and how you can get a pay rise. Meanwhile,
I have a text through that says where is the
statue of Lord at Rutherford and Nelson? I can tell
you it's in a place called Brightwater. I know this

(50:26):
because I've been there. I did the Great Taste Trail
on a bike for three days and it was beautiful
in a roade through Brightwater. And there is the memorial
featuring a statue of him at a as a young boy.
He was born in spring Grove. It's a lovely little statue.
It's in a pattic. It's just off the side of
the town and it's a lot of brick and I
have to say I kind of was underwhelmed. So if
Nick wants to do something for Lord Ernest Rutherford, how

(50:48):
about sprushing up the memorial twenty three to six? All right,
two ads we go. The Advertising Standards Authority has had
a busy year and people have been writing for more
complaints about advertisements. And you wouldn't believe some of the
things they find offensive. Somewhere upheld, A lot of silly

(51:09):
ones were in there. So let's talk about the silly ones.
Hillary Suter right now is the chief executive of the ASA.
Hello Hillary, how are you today?

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Hi Andrew?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I'm well, thank you very good. Okay. So many ads,
twenty five of them. They're in the Herald if you
really want to know. Somebody's complained that an AD features
nose picking? What's that about?

Speaker 19 (51:29):
Well, I think it's what's interesting to us about people
looking at ads is they often pick up one issue
in an AD that's running for say thirty seconds. That's
a TVCN which pushes their buttons. And in this case,
this particular complainants thought that it was pretty inappropriate, all well,
unnecessary to show nose picking in.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
A TV AD.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
All right, someone was afraid unhappy about cars failing to
stop for pedestrians. I thought that was Should I tell
the one that really got me? Somebody complained about the
pet insure ad, which I'm sure we all know about,
which is where a kid drops a pet and the
pet breaks its leg and that the medical costs eight
thousand dollars and Dad's not happy about it and suddenly

(52:10):
drew the long bow. That that meant that ad was
advocating that it's okay to abuse animals as long as
you have pet insurance.

Speaker 15 (52:17):
I mean, hello, Yes, we see a range.

Speaker 19 (52:20):
Of consumer takeout. So when we're looking at these complaints,
that's the first thing the chair of the complaints board
will think about, is this a likely consumer takeout or
is this perhaps a more extreme view, and that often
plays into whether or not there's a threshold has been
met to be a possible breach of the code. And
so that was that person's interpretation of the AD. I'm

(52:41):
sure there are other people who thought it was just
highlighting a particular service. If you've got pets, if you
want to help reduce the risk of some you know,
having to pay a big bill for an animal that's
it's heard or unwell.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Great, but aren't they wasting your time?

Speaker 19 (52:57):
Look, we've got an open and transparent process. If anyone
sees an AD they don't like or they have a
problem with that could be a breach of our codes,
they can complain to us.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
They have to go through a series of steps.

Speaker 19 (53:07):
When they do that, so that's not there's some hurdles.
So people have to really want to do it.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
And they have to give us their details.

Speaker 19 (53:15):
We need their contact information. And for the people who
want to go through that process, we're happy to take
the time to look at their concerns.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Hillary On behalf of everybody who has common sense. I'm
sorry that your time has been so wasted, but I
thank you for your time today.

Speaker 19 (53:29):
Thanks Andrew the Huddle with New.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
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Speaker 2 (53:37):
So it is six twenty and we welcome to the huddle.
Jordan Williams from the Taxpayers Unions and Richard Hills and
the Orkanstity Council give our gents shuder very good. The ads,
I mean, the pickys the most peculiar, and the question
lies that a lot of people in New Zealand have
turned into humorless whiners. And do you agree with that, Richard? Absolutely.

Speaker 20 (53:58):
The complaints go from the most random round picking, you
know's too ridiculous, around vibrators and different things around.

Speaker 9 (54:08):
No, no, it wasn't that it was vibrators. It was
the claim that vibrators could help with your marriage, Oh right,
that was what was deemed to be terribly misleading, and
the fact.

Speaker 20 (54:17):
That a Maori man was driving a car fask was
racist and different things. So it is. I think most
of them aimed to be humorous, and we're probably tested
on audiences and most audiences probably found them quite funny.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
What do you reckon, Jordan?

Speaker 9 (54:29):
I mean, yeah, listening to that, if you I've dealt
with it, won't come as a surprise Andrew that the
Taxpayers Union and some of the clients of my digital
marketing agency are subject to many a complaint over the years,
and Hillary is fantastic to deal with. Unfortunately, though her
board though more and more a sort of leaning into

(54:49):
that sort of politically motivated complaints. I'd push back. She
made the comment at the end about it being very
open and transparent process. Well, no, not really. They don't
disclose to the subject of the complaint, who has complained
and what we have faced. And I mean we've literally
faced hundreds of them at the Taxpayers Union. We've never
lost one, we have settled one. But it's very clear

(55:13):
a lot of them are simply complaining for wrong think,
and particularly in the area of you know, treaty principles
and things like that. It does appear that that sort
of unfortunate world you know, our particular worldview, is creeping
through and prohibiting what I would consider quite legitimate political advocacy.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Sure, sure, but I mean we've got the same thing
with Nick Smith actually from Nelson actually complaining about the
Trump thing about about Lord Rutherford. Of course it happens
to the election year as well, but it appears that
he's drawn too many people drawn awfully long bow about
what they see in front of them, and sometimes something
is exactly what it is.

Speaker 20 (55:51):
Yeah, absolutely, I think. I think actually there was a
rappayers Allance did some mads with me just as a clown.
You know that I could have complained about that, but
the most of them are humor.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Sure it was, I'm sure you fantastic.

Speaker 20 (56:05):
Yeah, yeah, I probably did, and it was probably funny.

Speaker 9 (56:07):
And I didn't recall that one, but that was it.
I probably like the weekly it was about.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Obviously, the big story of the day is the inauguration,
and when I walked watch the studio boys, big story
of the day is what happened over the last twelve
hours with the inauguration won a long day for Donald Trump,
and we'll talk about that right after the break.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
You go the huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty
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Speaker 2 (56:35):
It is a quarter to six and on the huddle
today we've got Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union and
city councilor from Auckland, Richard Hills, and of course the
big story of the day is Donald Trump's inauguration? Now,
who woke up early to watch the Telly?

Speaker 9 (56:48):
I did to listen to it, but I left it
too late. I work. I woke up at six or
think I see the alarm for ten to six and
it was already halfway over. I did not.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Okay, can I just say it was a great show,
and I actually thought it was a brilliant inauguration and
I think it actually ended hopeful, though some people think
it ended dark. What did you think, Jordan?

Speaker 9 (57:10):
It was much more specific in terms of his policies
I'm going to do as opposed to visionary and a
little bit sort of political airy fairy. But then that's
reflective of a guy who's been there, done that, and
clearly has a much more concrete plan of where he
wants to take the US this time around.

Speaker 20 (57:28):
Yeah, I think everyone's getting what they You know, if
you hate him, you hating what was put out today.
If you love him, you're loving it. I think America
has got what they voted for. I think some of
it is pretty bloody around.

Speaker 9 (57:41):
In the Panama, back to the advertising doing what it
says on the ten.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, I think the Panama Canal and the Gulf of
Mexico thing. I think that's just a little bit of
you know, positioning and a little bit of branding. But
he's doing some real stuff. He is doing tariffs on
Mexico and Canada and they are starting feb the first,
and they are twenty five percent, and he's warning the
to the world later and he's got straight back into it.

Speaker 16 (58:03):
Richard.

Speaker 20 (58:03):
What I can't understand is if you look across the polling,
the biggest issue there and why many governments are getting
thrown out across the world was inflation and was economy.
And we just know that the tariffs, if you look
at the maths, are going to increase costs for American citizens.
So it is going to be interesting to watch, and
especially if it starts a bit of a trade war.

(58:25):
What then happens across the world If do we end
up back in an inflation spiral. I really hope not.

Speaker 9 (58:31):
And this was the argument that the lost opportunity for
the Dems. You know, they were steering at a candidate
that was offering the largest tax increases in our lifetimes
in the US, and yet they couldn't make the argument
because they were so blinded by the red mist of Trump.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
This is true. But at the same time, there is
a reality to economics. When you've got a country like
America which is heavily indebted. You know, you think we've
got bad government spending or high government spending and higher
levels of debt. Welcome to America.

Speaker 9 (58:58):
I mean, our biggest geopolitical risk other than Ukraine and China.
Actually argue that even bigger than Taiwan is the US eficit.
That yeah know that when because when that band stops playing,
it is going to hurt everyone good time.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Okay, So the attitude that New Zealander should take towards
Donald Trump, you know, some people go, we should not
talk to him at all. That person is racist and
sexist and all that. But you know that's what the
Americans wanted. They voted for it. He's got the mandate.
His approval ratings after today fifty nine percent, So Americans
are loving this sort of thing. We don't have the
right to say that, do we.

Speaker 20 (59:37):
Oh, everyone got the right to say whatever they want.
I think we've found that out with Trump. But I
think I think I saw people criticizing lux and for
congratulating him. Of course we're going to congratulate him. Luck
he is the president for four years. I think a
lot of people it's important for people to speak up
and call them out, but it doesn't really work. So
I mean, you do have to work with him. This

(59:58):
government and the minister is going to have to work
with him. If it was a labor prime minister, they
would be saying congratulations Donald Trump as well. You do
not want to make enemies with the biggest leaders, but
you do have to call out the stuff that does
seem ridiculous or may harm our country others. But yeah,
you're not going to not work with them.

Speaker 9 (01:00:20):
And also the middle has shifted significantly. I was in
New York only ten days after the election and was
astounded that I was as an underground comedy club that
a good friend takes me to when I'm in Manhattan,
and only what ten days after the election, the comedians
were already not only mocking Sleepy Joe and of course Trump,

(01:00:42):
but Camilla as well. And I put to you that
when Hillary lost to Trump, there is no why ten
days after the election a New York audience would be
laughing jokes on it. And that actually suggests to me
that even in New York there is an appreciation of
why Trump won, and I mean, frankly, spending time in

(01:01:04):
any of the major DM cities in the US, you
see the difference pre COVID versus post.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Yeah, gets you. And I saw somebody who has texted
us today who said, look, I'm a Republican, but I
have to vote while holding my nose for Donald Trump.
But at the same time, there ain't anybody better. In fact,
the people who were up against them were worse. So
you have to vote. Someone's going to do it. Someone's
got to run. And that's a lesson to the Democrats.
But you know, then you get certain things. He's decided

(01:01:31):
to pardon instantly, pardon fifteen hundred people who stormed the
rotunda of the capital, which is the very building where
he just got inaugurated end because it was so cold,
and we've all seen the telly. Those fifteen hundred people,
they're not good people, Richard.

Speaker 12 (01:01:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:01:47):
I mean, I don't really understand that since when it's
been sort of a left wing thing to support the police.
I mean that those people, if you look back on
those videos, you know, you can look at the politics
or whatever, but they did storm a government holding. That's
not the sort of thing you should be seeing in
a in a first world country or anywhere, and they
did beat and hurt, and in some cases there were

(01:02:08):
cops that died. So it seems a really strange message.
And I hear the you know, the top cops in
America saying it does send a pretty poor message that
politically you can just storm, break and smash things, beat
up cops and everything will be fine. I think on
either side of politics that shouldn't be accepted. But it
seems it has.

Speaker 9 (01:02:27):
Trumps on both houses. I mean the Biden's final act,
whether he might not have been copas mentis that know
what he was doing?

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
But this stuff out people what he's doing.

Speaker 9 (01:02:39):
Yeah, as people know what he's doing, and he's and
he's providing ambassy for his members of his own family preemptively.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Is that because they've got something to hide?

Speaker 9 (01:02:49):
Wells would you do it?

Speaker 18 (01:02:51):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Then he's fearing a reprise of reprisal retribution from the
titled Trump because it's mean and nasty.

Speaker 9 (01:02:57):
Year always talked up about Trump because of the comment
about you know, with Hillary Clinton, when you'd be in prison.
But the record speaks for itself. You know, he didn't
last time round. Arguably the victim of law for it
goes the other way. Look, I'm no fan of Trump,
and I whenever I take a position on Trump, I
get half of the supporters of the tax Bars Union
email me saying that I took the wrong view. But

(01:03:20):
I think you can acknowledge that there is at least
boxes on both houses there. That'sk that's a shame.

Speaker 20 (01:03:26):
I think the whole system is a random I think
the whole system is random that you can just randomly
pardon whoever you want on the way out.

Speaker 9 (01:03:33):
I think it's a safeguard.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
We have it.

Speaker 9 (01:03:34):
Okay, we have it in our constitutional monarchy as well
of pars.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Gentlemen, I'm about to talk about how the best way
to get a job, because it's hard to get a
job at the moment, and of course you are employers
in one way or another. Best thing that someone who
wants a job with the taxpayers.

Speaker 9 (01:03:50):
It's been half today work through CVS. It's tailoring your
cover letter for the actual job as particularly if it's
part time or full time. And secondly, at least proof
read what the AI is Britain.

Speaker 20 (01:04:05):
Well, obviously my role's a bit different. We go out
and I have you're an Auking Council. I have to
ten people.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
You employ ten thousand people.

Speaker 20 (01:04:13):
We don't employ them directly, and I guess my job
application goes with tens of thousands of people. But I think,
I mean, the main thing is that it's a bit Pollyanna.
Is just you know, having positive relationships people on your
on your CV that will speak up for you and
that that positive record. So making sure that you're going
in with a truthful interview and having good people to
back you up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Great stuff. Richard Hills and Jordan Williams. I thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Red or Blue, Trump or Harris? Who will win the
battleground states? The latest on the US election, it's Heather
Duplicy allan drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected,
youth talk b.

Speaker 12 (01:04:52):
B.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
One last point about Trump and then we won't talk
about him for a long time because he is a
lawfully elected Democratic president the United States of America and
he has a mandate. But he was in the middle
of signing a bunch of executive orders in the Oval
Oval Office, and he was talking to journalists while there,
and then one of the journalists just casually said, did

(01:05:15):
Biden leave you a letter? And then Donald said, you
may have. Well, don't they leave it in the I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
What's in their compare.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
It could have been years before we got.

Speaker 12 (01:05:32):
Wow, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Maybe we should all read it together.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Well, maybe I'll read it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
First and then make that I would not read that
altogether if I was you, Donald, because you don't know
what's in it, and that's called being prepared. But he didn't,
and that's all good. Congratulations Donald Trump. It was a
hell of a party, I have to say. And he
worked very, very hard and he looked good. Now you
want a job, how do you get it? We've got
some who is going to give you the advice about

(01:06:01):
how to get a job in a few moments time.
We've got brad Olshin coming up. He knows that kiwis
go to the shops just as often as always these days,
however they're spending less. The facts and figures about that.
Jam and McKay on rural issues, and we'll also preview
the inflation result which will be out tomorrow. It's all
go as we mean business between six and seven here

(01:06:23):
on Newstalks at begin.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
What's up? What's down?

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
One with a major cause and how will it affect
the economy, the Big Business Questions on the Business Hour
with Edred Dickens News Talks at b AS.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Welcome to the program, and it's the seventh sorry, seven
minutes alf to six. It is the twenty fifth of January.
We're talking business. We're going to talk about the inflation
figures which will be released tomorrow, December quarter figures out tomorrow.
We're going to talk to Brad Olsen about retail. But
first it is fair to say it is a tough
time if you're looking for a job at the moment.
Seek report of this morning the job ads fell two

(01:07:13):
percent in December and we're down twenty two percent compared
to December twenty twenty three, so there's not many jobs.
At the same time, a survey by recruitment agency Robert
Half has found sixty four percent of employees want to
pay rise this year. So Meghan and Alexander works for
Robert Half of fact Mega and Alexander is the managing
director of Robert Half and joins me right now. Good morning,

(01:07:37):
so not good morning, good evening, Mega, Hi Andrew. So
people are looking for jobs. How do you stand out?

Speaker 21 (01:07:46):
Look, you have to definitely have the full package in
today's climate.

Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
So you've got to have.

Speaker 21 (01:07:52):
An experience that is relevant for the job. You've got
to articulate it really well. You have to demonstrate activity
using initiative and all those people school elements are being
able to communicate, and so you really have to turn
up and make it count when you go to interview
and then be able to follow it through. Obviously your
task will catch up with you. So if you haven't

(01:08:14):
been demonstrating that in the workplace, now is a very
difficult time to start turning up to an interview without
having that behind you, because people are going to reference you,
and so it is a case of actually really selling
yourself well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
And obviously we don't have to know every minutiae of
your life lived.

Speaker 7 (01:08:33):
No, you have to think.

Speaker 21 (01:08:34):
About the relevance to the job that you're applying for
and thinking about the receiver, the interviewer. What information do
they think is pertinent that you can relay good examples
of how you've got advantage for an organization or done
something similar so that they can see why they would
want you on their team.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Portrait pictures on CVS.

Speaker 7 (01:08:56):
Is this a thing?

Speaker 21 (01:08:59):
It shouldn't be right.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
So.

Speaker 21 (01:09:02):
Saveys to me are a sales document that should portray
your skill sets. But you certainly don't want people making
preconceived ideas about the way you look. And so I
think portraits are things that shouldn't be on a CV.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
But what if you look awesome?

Speaker 21 (01:09:20):
Look awesome, it's always in the eyes of the beholder.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
That's true. Okay, So it's a punt where you have
to say it's a punt. What about flexibility because many people,
especially over the COVID period and after that, started asking
for flexibility more and more demanding it at some stages,
but at this moment in our economic cycle, other times
of working from home and asking for heaps of flexibility over.

Speaker 21 (01:09:44):
Yeah, we definitely saw a significant change at Robert haff
come through all the different industries last year. So certainly
office workers have been called back to offices. You know,
SMA New Zealand was never really a huge fan of
hybrid working and so they sort of called back people earlier.

(01:10:06):
But some of the big corporates were slower to adapt,
and we've seen a lot of big corporates go from
a three to two three days in the office to
at home or by versa back into a four to
one model. Being four days in the office and one
at home. So some companies have still got a little
bit of it, but it's you know, a lot of
it went last year. What the employees I'm looking for
is a lot more flexibility. So if I've got to

(01:10:27):
drop the kids or pick up the kids, or if
I've got the plumber coming today, can I work from
home on that one day versus I want a set.

Speaker 17 (01:10:35):
Day every week.

Speaker 21 (01:10:36):
So that world has already changed. It changed significantly in
twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Now your company, Robert haf to the survey, I found
that sixty four percent of employees want to pay rise
this year. I mean every year, almost one hundred percent
of employees. I would have thought we'll want to pay rise.
But the thing is it's hard times. So for those
employees wanting a pay rise this year, how do you
get that?

Speaker 8 (01:10:59):
Have you really.

Speaker 21 (01:11:01):
Worked very effectively and showed that you've been at the
top of the third chain, that you've really added value
to the organization, gone over and beyond. So if you're
going to ask for a pay rise, you've actually got
to demonstrate that you've been able to deliver value to
that company. I mean, salaries are not moving its significant
rights anymore. And so some people are asking for pay

(01:11:23):
rises because they were sort of used to them over
the last three or four years, although they started to
drop away last year, so that was it were normal years, right,
and so if you go back in time, accealaries used
to rise at say three or four percent. So what
we saw last year was high performing people would get

(01:11:45):
pay rises at maybe six percent, and lower performing people
weren't getting them. And so we've got this disparity that
crept in last year.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
All right, But you can't really suggest that to a
future employer, yeah though, can you? You just have to
hope that they realize this as well. So this is
a message you're sitting out to employers too.

Speaker 21 (01:12:06):
Yeah, Look, you have to you have to back up
with the goods of your performance, right, So if you're
going to ask, you need to have you need to
come to places like Robert Half and get market information,
because there's no point in asking for a salary rise
if the market is not doing that to your swim sets.

Speaker 7 (01:12:21):
So first and foremost you need to look credible.

Speaker 21 (01:12:24):
With market knowledge, and then you have to have examples
of how why you believe that you should be getting
that pay rise based on your performance.

Speaker 8 (01:12:32):
Good justify that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Meghan Alexander and Meghan is the managing director of Robert
Harf and Amandrew Dickins. Remember that television series Voice and
the Black Stuff where Bernard's the actor. Bernard's went around
and the way he asked for a job. He would
just walk into a place and go get a job.
Job gives a job, gives a job. Six thirteen Good News.

(01:12:56):
Retail spendings up, but there are catches. Brad Olsen has
been looking over the figures. He's here next.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Analysis from the experts, bringing you everything you need to
know on the US election. It's The Business Hour with
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Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
The Business Hour with Andrew Dickens on US Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
It is six sixteen in New Zealand. It's currently sixteen
minutes after midnight the in Washington and Donald Trump and
family and Vice President j d Vance are currently at
the Starlight Ball and we are seeing pictures of them
still dancing. It's a quarter past twelve at night. And

(01:13:46):
the day has been going forever. And he's done press
Q and a's, and he's done executive orders and the inauguration.
It has been a very big day for Donald Trump.
Now some good news for retailers today. Electronic card'spin was
up in December compared to November. This is electronic The
total value of electronic card spending roses seasonally adjusted one

(01:14:08):
point five percent. I mean, spending is now back to
levels last seen in November twenty twenty three. And of course,
infor Metrics, principal economist Brad Olsen looks over this stuff
that he joins in our Hello Brad, good afternoon and
a happy new year. Because this is the first time
we've spoken. You've looked at the data. What does it say?

Speaker 7 (01:14:29):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 22 (01:14:30):
I mean, we have seen effectively a bit of a
stronger end to the year coming through when we look
at core retail sales, so stripping out some of the
volatility that we often see in the numbers, and on
a seasonally adjusted basis, that increased one point eight percent.
That was the that's I think five months now in
a row. We have seen it pick up from a
low point in July. So that's certainly helping that idea

(01:14:52):
that we are seeing those greener shoots coming through in
the economy. I think important still to recognize that compared
to a year ago, spending was still lower, and of
course we've had higher inflation over the last couple of years,
we've seen population growth, and so you know, spending per
person and the amount of goods being taken out of
store still isn't great. But it's a continued sort of

(01:15:14):
shift in trend when it comes to spending, and that's
certainly giving us a bit more optimism as we head
into this year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
That's good thinking that it shows that we are still
going into stores, but when we go into stores, we
spend less each.

Speaker 22 (01:15:27):
That's very much true. Yeah, but you're totally right there
that spending per transaction has come down, and we have
got some data from throughout twenty twenty four that suggests
that there's sort of two things going on there. One,
people are discount hunting a little bit more. They're definitely
looking for a bargain, and that's of course driving down
sort of per transaction spend, but it's also that people

(01:15:49):
aren't spending as much on some of those bigger, higher
value items, and in particular you look at the likes
of furniture and you know, electronics and similar, people are
instead spending on the smaller end of the spectrum because
that's what they can afford at the moment. So that's
dropped things back as well. It was interesting looking across
the type of spending two that the likes of there

(01:16:10):
has been a bit of an increase in that bigger
end of town, the durable items. But as well as
that sort of still some trends that are showing that
compared to where we were middle of last year, the
likes of hospitality spending has also increased to touch. So look,
we're not there. This is not sort of you know,
the economic champagne corks have popped, but again just that
sort of feeling that we're starting to head more in

(01:16:31):
the right direction.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Well, it's still nine point two three billion dollars and
there's still money and cash flow as king. But here's
the thing we're talking about December. December was Christmas time,
So couldn't we have expected an even greater increase because
of Christmas?

Speaker 22 (01:16:45):
We do have the stats that have taken that into accounts.
So because we seasonally just we take out the fact
that yet December is always big relative to normal. Even then,
it looks like there were parts of the sort of
Christmas period that were a bit better than normal. We
had Worldline reporting that suggested that spending at the start
of December was above what we saw in December twenty

(01:17:07):
twenty three. In that lead up to last into the
previous Christmas that got a little bit more challenging through
the middle of the Christmas period, just because of course
everyone's sort of going in and had been spending. There
weren't quite as many deals on offer, and so a
few people look like they sort of saved a bit
of their cash, didn't spend it before Christmas came out
with a resurgence on Boxing Day, when we saw a

(01:17:27):
thirteen percent increase in spending on Boxing Day year on
yet because people were bargain hunting. So it looks like
through the month of December there have sort of been
a few hot on a few cold patches, but on
the whole, still not a bad result. And I think
you know you noted that look that effectively that was
last month. We're now twenty one days into January. We're
not expecting that we'll see big big boosts each and

(01:17:49):
every month. But as more people start to refix onto
those low on mortgage rates, they'll have a bit more
cash to spend. They're not going to go and blow
it immediately on big spending, but they'll do a little
bit more here and there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Of course, inflation figures out tomorrow. We're talking to Paul
Bloxham about it in just in about ten minutes time.
You want to just float us a number that you
might think.

Speaker 22 (01:18:08):
Our pick is two point zero percent. We're one of
the lowest, I think the lowest of the domestic forecasts.
So we're thinking that inflation comes in that little bit softer.
But I think almost more importantly, we're looking and thinking
about the signals that have already been coming through for
what's next. We've got that, of course, lower dollar, so
in the sort of fear or the worry about important

(01:18:28):
inflation still front of mine for us.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Very good stuff, and I thank you for your time,
Brad Olsen. And we're into the countryside next with JB.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
McKay the Rural Report on hither do for see allan.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Drive Absolutely Now, of course Donald Trump is in power.
And I said at the beginning of the program and
That editorial is on our website News Talks for b
dot co dot nzet. I'm worried about any one thing,
and that is tariff's. So here is what Donald Trump
said about tariff's today. I may, yeah, but we're not
ready for that.

Speaker 10 (01:19:00):
We may put it wrap it because essentially, all countries
take advantage of the US.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Well, we don't make any good deals of the US.
It's amazing in a way that we exist. We don't
make good deals, we don't have any good deals.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
All countries take advantage of the United States. That means
New Zealand. So what does it mean for New Zealand farmers?
And Jbie McKay joins me right now from the country.
Hello Jamie.

Speaker 8 (01:19:25):
Yeah, good Andrew and the new Year. Yeah, what does
it mean for New Zealand farmers? Well, I had Todd
McLay Trade Minister on the show today, and you know
he's still hoping that we can do some deal, maybe
a sweetheart deal with the US. We know he's going
to get stuck into China, we know he's going to
get stuck into Mexico and Canada or threatening to do so.

(01:19:46):
But maybe because they really want what we've got. I
are manufacturing beef for the burgers, we might be able
to do something else. So what does a Trump presidency
mean for New Zealand farmer? Well, lower dollars good tariffs
are obviously bad. A cold war with China wouldn't play
out well for US. As I said, the US is

(01:20:08):
rapidly becoming our biggest red meat market, especially with beef.
So a stronger US economy Minister Economy under Trump could
be good for US and final Andrew. If he drills
baby drills, that could lower world oil prices. So we're
all holding our breath and waiting and seeing. Really yeah,

(01:20:29):
but you know, how.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Do we really affect the great global economy that is America?
The huge economy? I mean, we're just a drop in
the ocean. So please, as friends, do us a favor.
Open Country Dairy has paid ten dollars for milk pecilar
to two farmers for P two. What's up with that?

Speaker 7 (01:20:49):
What do you make of it?

Speaker 8 (01:20:50):
Well, it's good news, I guess, well it is good news,
remembering that Fonterra is set it was four cart milk
prices at ten dollars. So Open Country Dairy is it
a wee bit different? Differently it pays out in milk
and four periods during the year, so P two is
for October November milk, which is sort of peak period milk.
There is a lot in that period. P one incidentally

(01:21:14):
was Dune through to September. The beginning of the season,
it was only eight eighty so on a weighted basis
up till now, we've still got two periods to go open.
Countries sitting in the in the mid nine so it's
a wee bit behind Fonterra, so we'll have a look
at that one. There is another, by the way Andrew
Global Dairy Trade auction overnight whole milk powder and skim

(01:21:36):
milk powder are typterized by maybe two percent off the
back of Fonterra, removing a bit of volume from the platform.
Of course we're passed those seasonal peaks, but a good
pulse auction last week, that's the auction we run between
the genet auctions. Strying out on the North Island might
have an effect on production. And of course the sphares

(01:21:57):
around foot and mouth disease in German after it was
found in some water buffalo near Berlin, so fingers crossed
we get a good GDT auction tonight Andrew, and that
ten dollars holds for the dairy farmers of this country.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
They always are made. And finally, Federator Farmers want New
Zealand banks to withdraw from a UN backed banking alliance.
So tell me about that.

Speaker 8 (01:22:21):
Yeah, Well talking about America, Yeah, Federated Farmers are saying
our banks need to follow the lead of the six
biggest banks in America JP, Morgan, City Group, Bank of America,
Morgan Stanley, Wells Fargo, and Goldman Sachs. They've all exited
the UN backed banking alliance and they're leaving because of
the lawsuits, potential lawsuits for anti competitive behavior within the

(01:22:44):
banking sector, and obviously growing political pressure under a Trump regime. Now,
this net zero banking alliance has been set up to
align with lending policies, with everyone being car and zero
by twenty fifty b and zenas a direct member. The

(01:23:04):
others in New Zealand, the other five big banks West
Paca and z ASB and Ravo Bank are affiliated with
their alliance through their offshore parent companies. Look Richard McIntire,
the Banking Guy banking spokesperson from Federated farmers said he's
increasingly concerned that I'm with them on this one about
what will happen to farmers if they're not able to

(01:23:25):
meet the bank's missions reduction targets by twenty thirty. He's
asking this question, Andrew, will we be effectively de banked
and able to unable to access capital we need to
run our business? Is a bit like we're starting to
see with some of the petrol stations or maybe Andrew
under Trump, the world is changing and it's the end
of woke as we know it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Jemy Mackay from the Country and I thank you for
your time today. This is new Storb. We mean business.
We're going to talk about the inflation rate. The update
comes out tomorrow. Paul Bloxham joins us at about five minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Time, quenching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
It's Andrew Dickens with the Business Hour thanks to my
HR the HR solution for busy s Emmy's on news
Talk Zippy go.

Speaker 11 (01:24:22):
On the teh much up your right, Let good fight
Hooky journey back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
In the program my manager Dickens during the Drive show
for a week. Next week Ryan Bridge starts and then
after about three months he'll stop because Heather duper c
Allam will be back. It's twenty three to seven. Big
story of the day. One of the stories of the
day was Nick Smith from the Nelson area, the Nelson mayor,
getting all upset because Donald Trump said America split the atom,
which he did say, and he didn't say America was

(01:24:54):
first to split the atom. He just said America split
the atom. And I started thinking about it. He hasn't
really gaz and because of course Lord Ernest Rutherford and
New Zealanders split the atom, and he did it in England,
so you know, and Nick got all upset about it,
and so we got Nick on. But the more I
thought about it before he came on, the more I thought,
this is Neck being a lot far too sensitive. And

(01:25:16):
then I said, I think maybe Neck's got Trump derangement syndrome.
So anything that Trump said is terrible. And so I
put it to him and some people said, well that
was a bit weird. Why did you ask him on
and then actually has them? I said, well, just to
find out what's happening. And the question is a local
body election year, and of course he's just getting out
and getting his name in the public and you know what,

(01:25:38):
he admitted it as well. Meanwhile, we're getting some text
about it. Andrew, I find it hilarious that some of
New Zealand are getting their nickers in a twist over
this Lord Rutherford issue and split the atom issue, since
New Zealanders hate nuclear energy and they banned nuclear as well.
And this is a fair point. But we're proud of
that part of the dew clear, aren't we. And so

(01:26:00):
this is Jim. Jim Woolwich writes to me and says
he was in Westminster Abbey late last year and he's
walking around and he walked right over Ernest Rutherford's park,
which is on the floor walkway, which I saw last
year as well. So he's he's owned by a few people.
But Americans did split the atom, but they didn't do
it first, and that's sort of twenty one to.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Seven Andrew Dickens.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Okay, we're joined now by Paul Bloxam from HSBC to
talk about the New Zealand economy. Welcome to the program, Paul,
and happy new year.

Speaker 23 (01:26:32):
Good a happy new year to you too.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
New Zealand inflation data for the December quarter is out tomorrow.
We've already had brad Olson on from in for metrics,
he reckons two percent. That means the inflation rate is falling.
He's got one of the lowest rates out of everybody.

Speaker 23 (01:26:46):
What do you reckon, Well, we've got two point one,
so we're slightly above him, but we're below slightly below
the consensus, so we still got inflation falling as well.
And I think the main thing though to keep in
mind that inflation looks as though it's fairly clearly going
to be around the center of the around the center
of the Arbenza's target band and roughly on target. The

(01:27:07):
key thing to look out for, though, will be to
look for those underlying measures, the core measures of inflation,
and in particular non tradable, so the part of inflation
that's about domestic inflation, so services inflation, because that's the
part that had been rising still too quickly, and probably
although it will be coming down, will still be slightly elevated,
and it will be that piece of information really sort

(01:27:28):
of firms up how much the RBNZ is likely to
cut next month. Now you know we think they're going
to cut. We think there are a number of cuts
yet to come from the rb and Z. You know,
inflation is coming down. The economy has been very weak,
and the aben Z it's got scope to lower interest rates.
But it's just a question of how much front loading.
How quickly do they lower rates. Do they go fifty,
do they go twenty five? And these numbers are going

(01:27:50):
to help to firm that up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
I think this is a very important point to stress
because when we look at inflation, there are two types,
tradable and non tradable inflation, and the measure that gives
publicized is the average of the two. And so just
before Christmas, the politicians were starting to say, look at this,
we've got it under control. But the tradeable was certainly
under two, but the non tradable was round about what

(01:28:14):
four point eight percent, and that is you know, rents
and rates and electricity supplies and all that sort of thing.
Four point eight is still high and it's too soon
to say we've got inflation under control.

Speaker 18 (01:28:27):
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 23 (01:28:27):
So this is the non tradable part, is the services part.
It's mostly domestic inflation. And really, when you think about it,
it's the thing that the RBNS that has the most
influence on with its policy leader. So it lowers the
policy rate lifts it of course sometimes and that has
a bigger impact on the domestic economy than it does
on those international forces that are driving tradable. So in
some ways you look at services inflation non tradable inflation

(01:28:50):
not just to assess the momentum in inflation and determine
where you're at, but also because it's the bit that
the monetary policy can have the most influence on. So
that will be the thing really to keep a close
eye on tomorrow when we get those numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Absolutely, also the government has control because they have the
regulatory control, so they could also help in the battle
against non tradable but that's tomorrow's conversation. To Australia, unemployment
now sitting at four percent, how's the job market?

Speaker 18 (01:29:16):
The job market is.

Speaker 23 (01:29:17):
Still strong, and I would say there's some signs that
it's looking as though it's starting to tighten as well
rather than loosen. So you know, if you recall the
obviously the RBA has been trying to get inflation down
as well, and one of the ways you do that
is having listed interest rate. They've been flowing the economy
and despite the fact that the GDP growth or growth
in the economy has slowed down quite a lot last year.

(01:29:39):
The labor market has still continued to be quite resilient.
There was quite a lot of job creation in December,
that's the number you're referring to. And despite the fact
that the unemployment rate ticked slightly higher, it's still actually
below the level that had reached in the middle of
last year. It had reached four point two. It's come
down to four. So you know, you've got a strong
labor market and it looks like, well, the labor market

(01:29:59):
may very well be tightening, So it really makes it
hard for the RBA to think about cutting interest rates.
We've got an inflation print in Australia that comes out
next week and of course that will play a role
in fat in this story as well. But of course
then or the RBA hasn't even interest lowered interest rates yet,
so this is a question as to whether they'll be
able to go in February.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
And final question which you might not be prepared for,
but it's obviously the story of the day. Donald Trump
is n he has threatened by February twenty five percent
tariffs on Canada and Mexico. How might that effect Australia
and news and how likely are we to be hit
by tariffs in a trade war.

Speaker 23 (01:30:37):
Well, there's a lot of uncertainty in this story because
a part of it is that although they he's noted
during the day that they might put in place tariffs,
he's also pointed out that they're a negotiating tactic, and
then so it's not entirely clear that those are going
to be introduced. And then, of course the question is
whether it spreads more widely than that to other countries too,

(01:30:58):
as you say. And then in addition to that, just
to add to the complications, it's not just about assessing
what happens with US policy, but what do other countries
do in response in terms of their policies. And the
major one that we really have to watch out for
in Australia and New Zealand is what China does in response,
because that's our biggest trading partner, you know. Obviously New
Zealand and Australia very very strongly driven by the China story.

(01:31:22):
So it's a very very complicated web to sort of see, well,
one thing happens in one country, it really matters what
happens in other countries. As well, and it's this that's
creating quite a bit of uncertainty.

Speaker 5 (01:31:32):
Obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
I told you a Republican strategist today and she said,
you've got to remember that Donald Trump is a businessman
and when it comes to negotiation, what do you do?
You start high, but you can offer and end out low.
So we'll wait to see what happens. Paul, it's always
a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you for your
time today. Now right, Paul Bloxham, he is the HSBC
Chief Economist. It is coming up sixteen minutes to seven.

(01:31:55):
I just heard that Enda Brady is in Davos, and
of course the snow is great in Darvas. At the
moment I said is he there for the scheme? But
of course he's not. Davas is the home of that
Economic Forum meeting and we were talking to Inde Brady
about that many other issues as well in a few
moments time here on News Talks HB.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all
on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and my HR.
The HR solution for busy SMEs News Talk Hippy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
It's the time is down twelve minutes to seven, and
ind Brady joins us from Davos, the home of the
World Economic Forum, the home of the great Reset, the
home of the great Neck Craig, the great takeover of
the global economy by private industry and business interests.

Speaker 5 (01:32:40):
In Hello Inda, Hello Andrew. I have to say it's
my first time here. It's something to behold. A tiny,
tiny town five thousand feet up the mountain in the
Swiss Alps. It's not built for this, and yet they
come in on the helicopters. I've never seen so many
shoal for driven Mercedes Benz black vehicles in my life.

(01:33:02):
You would think it was some sort of Oscars or Hollywood.
And all these random people get out and they're basically
the CEOs who moved the money around and allegedly make
the world go round. And I'll tell you what. Right now,
the vibe I got yesterday, a lot of them are
running scared because of one man's return.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Oh okay, of course, because he's not a globalist, and
that is for sure. And he said a lot of trade.
So how has Donald Trump, who had a glorious inauguration today.
I thought it was a great patty And he's still
going and starlight Ball is still on as we speak.
How has he How has he ruined classes party?

Speaker 5 (01:33:37):
So we were told on arrival here that there were
three key topics for discussion this week wars, climate change,
and misinformation. And very very quickly from talking to the
delegates and the people who are arriving and these billionaires
and squillionaires and soon to be trillionaires, the vibe I
got was there was three topics. They were interested in Trump,
trade and tariffs. So there's been very discussion of the

(01:34:00):
others so far. And I guess, look, they're all watching
and waiting to see what will he do, will the
rhetoric stack up, will he actually deliver what he's been saying,
will he really put America first? And how will it
impact them? So there's sixty heads of state here this week,
and I mean this town is tiny, absolutely tiny. There's
no accommodation that's affordable. The locals were telling me that

(01:34:22):
some people basically go on holidays for a week and
let out their apartment for ten thousand euros for five
days and that's you know, a hell of an income.
And everyone seems to be running scared, wondering what is
Trump going to do?

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
And where are you staying? Well, are you? Are you
in a major in.

Speaker 12 (01:34:40):
A ban.

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
I actually am, I'm staying one hour away over the mountain.
I'm in a tiny, tiny village. Everyone speaks Swiss German,
and as Laura, our producer, will testify, my German is
I was the premar schoolhouse when I was about at
ten or eleven. I think I learned German in Ireland.
So we've been yeah, yeah, it's easy for you to say.
So we're having wonderful conversations here in the evening. I'm

(01:35:05):
staying in a B and B in a tiny I
wouldn't even call it a village, It's a hamlet. It's
absolutely stunning, but the people extremely friendly. And I'll tell
you just to tell you how to how January makes
me struggle doing dry January and arrive back here the
other night and the family were having beers in the
kitchen and they invited me in and I thought, and
they thought it was odd, and I just i'd come

(01:35:27):
back from a run and I always do dry January
and I respect it and it's just a little body
reset before I start running again. And I sat and
I had a wonderful conversation really nice people.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
This is not about you in that, but that's very fun.

Speaker 5 (01:35:39):
True.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
They said they wanted to talk about war, and they're
gonna have to talk about war because Zelansky is arriving.

Speaker 5 (01:35:46):
Yes, so he's the keynote speaker today. They have a
big auditorium and basically the A listers and the very
very serious people who come with their message, and everyone
will know Zelenski's message in advance. He wants help, he
wants money, he want assistant and he wants weapons. And
regardless of whether Trump turns off the taps from the
American Aid in the next twenty four hours, Zelensky will

(01:36:08):
be appealing to the world to not forget Ukraine. And
it's really interesting. In all of the discussions yesterday, Ukraine
was not mentioned, so he's the start turned Today. Security
is extremely tight, so they have a police cordon about
nine kilometers outside of Davos. The traffic slows to a standstill,
and you can imagine how tight security will be today

(01:36:30):
with Zelensky being in a very small town.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Will you get in.

Speaker 5 (01:36:34):
I'll get into the auditorium, but there'll be no prospective
interviewing him. I mean, as much as I dearly love
to sit down or even grab a word. I met
Al Gore yesterday in the street and he wouldn't speak
to me. So you know, he's not a world leader.
He never was. He was a vice president, but he could.
He basically hailed a golf buggy to get away from
me yesterday. That was quite funny, well thought, you know,

(01:36:55):
just just one question about Trump and he wouldn't speak
to the mean.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Yeah, and he had call home to make sure that
everybody had turned off the lights. Now, just finally, UK
Roys are playing some US trips tomorrow next year.

Speaker 5 (01:37:07):
Yeah, yes, So this is all about wooing Trump and
getting him back interested in the UK. They're not stupid.
They know that he was a huge fan of the
late Queen and the plan is a too pronged assault.
Next year, William was president of the Football Association in London.
So the Soccer World Cup will be in American next
year and Mexico and Canada. William would be absolutely you know,

(01:37:29):
it would be a no brainer to send him to that.
So William will head off to the United States for
the World Cup and the feeling is Charles may go
and mark two hundred and fifty years of American independence.
Apparently Charles's mother went fifty years ago when it was
two hundred years and Trump is a fan. Trump gets
on well with Charles, we're told. So a big year

(01:37:50):
ahead for the royal family wooing Trump and hopefully getting
some investment in the UK because it absolutely needs it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Absolutely. Of course everybody's going to woo when you're talking
about Bezos and Zuckerberg and American businesses, the Pouls, you know,
and Joe Rogan and now even Prince Ave and King
Charles himself got to woo Donald Trump. What an amazing
turn of events.

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
When you read the list of things that he's dodged,
from bullets to jail, it is has got to be
the most extraordinary politically come back ever. I just I
don't know. I spent one hour yesterday waiting on a
TV line to go live listening to him talk. And
I've never heard a more rambling speech in my life.
It was and it was minus three celsius upper Mountain

(01:38:35):
in Switzerland. So it it's an hour of my life.
I won't get back. Andrew, Sorry, it's all.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Right, and thank you very much. Stay warm, learn German
and we'll talk again later.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
It is six to seven, getting ready for a new
administration in the US. What will be the impact?

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
It's The Business Hour with Hither Duplessy Allen and my HR,
the HR solution for busy news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
The hooks h BE and I'm Andrew Dickens. What a
glorious day for President Trump. He's in charge, he's got
the mandate, he's empowered, and he's having a lot of fun,
and he will do stuff and some of that stuff
will be good for us, and some of this stuff
will be bad for us, but it's his right to
do that stuff and we'll wait to see. So yeah,
took back after eight with Marcus. Between seven and eight,

(01:39:22):
we've got sports with Darcy Wardergrave. And right now I've
got a piece of music from Anthony Medicage, technical producer.

Speaker 13 (01:39:31):
Very well done to Carrie Underwood today at the originally
American Idol WINN. She's done pretty well for herself as
a pop star since then. She was called on to
perform America the Beautiful at the inauguration and there were
some technical issues, so everyone kind of milled around for
a while while they tried to get her backing track going,
and they just couldn't get it going, so she basically
just had to do the whole thing a cappella. But

(01:39:51):
you know, being a professional, she just said to everyone,
all right, if you know the words, sing along with me,
let's go and tell you what. She's got a good
set of pipes on her so it sounded pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
And that's how we will leave you today. My thanks
to produce Laura and Ed Siedmartin. Wait from Cee to Shine.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
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