Full Show Podcast: 22 April 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather duplicy elan Drive with one New
Zealand Let's get connected news talks there'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,
we're going to speak to a man who met the
Pope multiple times. We'll also explain the twist and the
Beckonridge case. This is the one of the father and
the son who went off the cliff, but are they
really dead? And Whinston Peter's on why he wants to
define a woman in New Zealand law on the back
of that UK ruling.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Heather Duplicylo, Right, So the Pope.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
First of all, can I just say to all Catholics
condolences obviously over the passing of the Pope. It's a
big moment for the Catholic Church. I enjoyed this Pope.
He seemed a little bit more fun than his predeceasors didn't.
He loved football, he loved saying things that got him
in trouble, carried his own luggage. It seems like a
normal guy, right, a normal guy who became the Pope.
But if I'm honest with myself, setting that all to

(00:58):
one side. I think he was ultimately quite disappointing as
the Pope, wasn't he Because he said a lot of
stuff about wanting to be more liberal and be more inclusive,
but he actually didn't do anything did He didn't change
anything about the way that the Catholic Church regards gay people.
He didn't change anything about the way that the Catholic
Church treats divorced people. He didn't change anything about the
fact that women are completely excluded from serving as clergy

(01:20):
in the Catholic Church. Now, obviously a generous explanation of
this is that he tried but couldn't because the Catholic
Church is massive, I and there are one point four
billion Catholics worldwide, spanning a huge number of countries, completely
different views. And changing something that big and that diverse
and actually really fundamentally that conservative takes a really long time.

(01:42):
And so he did what he could. He what he
did was enough. It was enough to kind of set people,
set the wheels in motion, if you like, get people
talking about being a bit more kind to gay people
and divorce people in particular, and that in time he's
planted the seeds that will then come to fruition in
years and decades, maybe even centuries from here, And maybe
that's right, maybe that's exactly what he's done. But then

(02:04):
you know, he was chosen as pope by three courtners
of cardinals, which means that three quarters of those dudes
knew knew that they were choosing a liberal guy, and
they were ready for a liberal guy. So I look
at that, I think that he had a little bit
more latitude than he actually used, even for just one
change in just one of those areas, maybe he could
have done it. Also, while I love the fact that

(02:25):
he was humble, he lived in a hostel and not
a palace, he drove around in a cruddy car and
not a flash limousine, he carried his own luggage, washed
people's feet in public, I have to be honest with
myself as well about that. That was performative, and he
surely understood what he was doing. He did those things
to be seen. But did he actually do anything to
change the fact that the Catholic Church hoardes all of
its wealth and lives in opulence at the upper levels.

(02:47):
Did he actually do anything beyond this performance? Now, some
commentators reckon that the real test of his legacy is
going to be whether the next pope, the next one
that's chosen, is as liberal as he is and can
actually church push the church just a little bit more
in that direction. And if that does happen, then maybe
Francis can be credited with having started some real change
within the Catholic Church. And so as in most cases,

(03:09):
time will really be the judge of his legacy. But
I'll tell you what right here, if you had told
me in twenty thirteen when he was appointed Pope that
he would die with nothing changed in the church, I
wouldn't have believed it. So I'm disappointed.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Heather duper Cilo.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
We're welcome to a way are nine two nine two
is the text number standard text fe supply obviously, now
to the Prime Minister. Our Prime Minister and his British counterpart,
Sir Keith Stamer are going to be visiting New Zealand
troops training Ukrainian soldiers in England later today. Then this
follows an early announcement that our government will extend its
aid and its troops to Ukraine until December twenty twenty six. Now,

(03:47):
Vassal Maroshi Nuchenko is the Ukrainian ambassador to New Zealand
and Australia and is with US now vassal. Hello Hi,
December twenty twenty six. But do we still expect that
the war is going to be going on?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Then?

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Look at the moment, we don't really see an end
to the war. I mean we of course observing the
peace negotiations that President Trump is trying to get Russia
to talking that we don't really see Russians really on
a mission to stop the war. They're actually advancing now.
Russians are now in the middle of a major offensive.

(04:22):
So we may very well have actually war even next
year in December. But it's not only about that. Maybe
if we achieve some certain ceasefire at a certain stage
later this year, which would be certainly great and Ukraine,
then people would really welcome that. We do require training
because no matter what happens next, we cannot unfortunately change

(04:43):
out a geography. We cannot make you as of a neighbor,
because we'd love to have New Zealand and Australia as
of a neighbor. But you know, for the we can't
do it. We'll always have Russia, and Russia is belligerent.
Russia is authoritarian and Russia is not giving up on Ukraine.
So we do need to have strong and New Zealand
government is making a very and a significant contribution to

(05:04):
improving other military capabilities, for which were extremely thankful.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Do you see a way that this war can end
without Ukraine having to give up some land?

Speaker 4 (05:15):
It's not about the land. Actually, you have to understand
that it's not the land that Russia wants. Russia wants
Ukraine destroyed entirely. Russia wants to end Ukraine's sovereignty. So
those people who believe that this war would be over
if we actually see any territory have no idea. What
they are talking about.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
How can the war end? So how do you foresee
the war ending?

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Then the war can end in twenty four hours. Russians
just need to get out of Ukraine.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Hm.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
But what's going to make them get out?

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Well, that's a good question. That's actually the strengths of Ukraine,
the strengths of other international allies, European allies, New Zealand, Australia,
North America.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I mean, this is what we need.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
We need to force Russia to stop this war, and
only by demonstrating that unity and strengths. We can force
an authoritarian country which is violated you and Tartar, which
is admitted an act of aggression, which is really undermining
security of the entire world. It's not only Europe in
the Pacific is undermined. Look at North Korean troops out there,

(06:24):
Look at the Chinese actually now currently finding Ukrainians. How
do you think is it possible? And how do you
think it is effecting the security of New Zealand. It
does affect you, and you are all vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
The problem is appreciate to the quiet here, but I mean,
and the thing is everybody wants Ukraine obviously to win,
but that is not happening at the moment. So what
does it take.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Well, it takes actually more. So a lot has been done.
We were certainly thankful to all the countries who have
supported us for the past three years, but that more
needs to happen. And that's the reason why you know
New Zealand government has joined the coalition. The willing so
British and frenchis.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
More resources, training, more.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Resources, you know, potentially deployment of the troops, European troops
primarily Okrank.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Be honest with me, have we not missed that moment now.
I mean, if you have the US pulling out, is
anybody else going to fill that gap?

Speaker 6 (07:17):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (07:17):
Not?

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Just?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Is are we not looking at a situation right now
where Ukraine is on a trajectory to complete loss.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Here we are now at the very important juncture, and
I think it will all depend on the leadership of
the democratic countries. Because Ukraine is stepping up for democracy.
We've been fighting for it for three years now. We
need the democratic countries to step up for democracy as well,
because it's much more about Ukraine. It's about the liberal

(07:46):
free world, which is actually under massive attack at the moment.
And I hope that and that's the reason why Australia
and New Zealand are supporting us, because you are part
of that world, and you are vulnerable, you're susceptible, and
we all see how the security in Europe will undermind
security of the inter Pacific. So I think we end

(08:07):
this fight together and that's the reason why Kiwis are
supporting Ukraine and Ukrainian President is very grateful to Prime
Minister Christopher Luxen and I'm so happy that he is
in the UK at the moment that he will go
and inspect his defense forces who are currently training Ukrainians.
You know, for us, when we see that happening, it
is so heartening and it's so uplifting to the Ukrainian

(08:30):
soldiers who are currently in the trenches and when they
see New Zealand contributing a country which is probably further
away than any other country in the world, it is
this is what gives them inspiration. That's why we keep
on fighting. That's why we keep on defending democracy. This
is something that you all chairs, we all chairs, and
we share the same world and we want the world

(08:52):
to get back to rules based international order, which Russians
have blatantly violated because they have nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Listen, we're going to have to leave it there. Really
appreciate it. Thanks so much for your time of having
a chat to us. That's Vassal Mroshnichenko, who is the
Ukrainian Ambassador to New Zealand and Australia. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
It's the Heather du Bussy Allen Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Podcast on iHeart Radio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Nineteen past four. Darcy water Grave sports hold on, No,
He's still hold on. He's trying to kill his phone there. Yeah,
okay that yes, there we are.

Speaker 8 (09:27):
There is.

Speaker 9 (09:28):
You didn't have to pause, just post faked it until
you made.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
It right, Porsche unretired, P.

Speaker 9 (09:35):
Double dub all of that or not?

Speaker 10 (09:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Why not?

Speaker 10 (09:38):
Yeah, okay, there you go. I don't think it'll stick.
None of my other nicknames to this one.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Pusha dubbeddub, pusha dub dub. Yeah that sounds about no,
P double dub, P dubbed.

Speaker 9 (09:46):
Up, P dub dub. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Well, she
was going to go and play rugby league.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, and then they didn't want to.

Speaker 10 (09:54):
It was they didn't want to because she's had commitments
as an ambassador if you will, so they're like, no,
we're not going to register you.

Speaker 11 (10:02):
So she carried on.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Just have an abundance of excellent players. Then if they're
going to turn her up.

Speaker 10 (10:08):
She's one of the greats of the game. Ye, male
or female, doesn't matter. I still can't work that out.
I's stunned that they wouldn't want to.

Speaker 9 (10:17):
Name like that. That that's fine, that's all right, you
make your decisions.

Speaker 10 (10:22):
So she's playing the opiki, doing partikularly well on the
scenes to roll for the Blues. Then they win that
champions match and she's just having the time of her life.
And then of course all the noises that he come
back to cot Alan Barnteing, the coach, has been on
various news channel's TV stations, has coming back. Why we're
having constructive conversations coming back. So today she's come back

(10:45):
eight month contract after you're going to come back. Whether
she plays thirteen or out on the wing, it doesn't matter.
Having someone of her strength, the ability to prepare the moment,
she has, that skilled that she everything about poor Chelle.

Speaker 9 (11:00):
Woodman Wickcliffe is immense in this game.

Speaker 10 (11:02):
So to climb back in the volt again you think
of the other players.

Speaker 9 (11:07):
Look, she's got to get picked. Sure she will the.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Other retire unless she got picked.

Speaker 10 (11:13):
Well, I don't know if they can promise that, yeah
we're going to pick you. Well, why wouldn't you first
on the name? Even when she wasn't signed, they probably
would have tried to pick it something.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
What is the Premier's played for? What does all get
it for?

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well?

Speaker 9 (11:25):
The Premier's played is okay.

Speaker 10 (11:26):
So the concept of leagues and sport normally is like
the ep L, Right, the English Premier League. Everybody plays
each other home and away. You get to the end
of the season, whoever's got the most points wins the league. Yeah,
pretty simple, right, No, No, no league's been hijacked by
a lot of people. And now is the A Leagues
not actually a league? Because once you win the A League,

(11:48):
which is what the Premier has played for through the playoffs,
and then you win the A League. But you win
the A League by winning the league?

Speaker 8 (11:56):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (11:56):
So are you telling me in their debut season, debut season,
they have come out and they won the A League.
It looks like.

Speaker 10 (12:01):
It's on its way over in a plane apparently, and
it's going to be celebrated. They'd struggle to blow this
and I really hope I'm not the kiss of death
on them, but you'd think the way they've traveled, what
they've done, it's been phenomenal what to start, and you'd
think that the Premiers players years now, if they picked
the Premier's plate up gives them a distinct advantage when

(12:23):
it comes to the semi finals. In the final, they
get the first week off, then they've got the choice
because the home and away semill.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Just give up, right, I mean, if you come in
and clock it clock the game in your first crank
you got you got to do something else of.

Speaker 9 (12:35):
Your old school spaces.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, clockett clocked it.

Speaker 9 (12:38):
Do you have a clock any of those games?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Not Defender first level, Mate, not even the first level
Sonic the Hedgehog. Try it.

Speaker 10 (12:46):
It's a wonderful time to be an Auckland football fan.
You're a Phoenix fan.

Speaker 9 (12:51):
You're going, but there's another year, don't worry.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I mean the Wellington's used to being the second.

Speaker 9 (12:55):
Rate year from Wellington, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
No, not really, not really for a bit, got used
to it, came home first rate, first.

Speaker 9 (13:02):
Time, came home. What to Auckland. You're in Auckland line
for Yeah, right, okay.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah's good, convenient, Thank you so much, shuff doing.

Speaker 10 (13:09):
Hannah Porter is going to join us on the show
tonight talk about pathways for sevens and fifteen's players, because
in the women's game there's still a bit of a
collision around where they play, who they represent.

Speaker 9 (13:18):
And so on and so forth.

Speaker 10 (13:19):
So we'll talk with Hannah about that, And Dud Bludd's
going to join us in the show talk about his
new role the associate head coach of the Breakers. They're
getting all the old crew back together. It's like the
Blues Brothers.

Speaker 9 (13:31):
We're getting the band.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
How off you go? Darkin Watergrave Sports Store Coast it's
back at seven four twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Moving the big stories of the day forward. Aw, it's
Heather Duplicy and drive with one New Zealand. Let's get
connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
That'd be welcome back here. Unfortunately, the recent pope is
more at home and Davos talking about climate change than
in the Catholic Church talking about God. Thank you, Jim.
I don't think it's totally fair. I mean, I do
think there's a point there though, which was that Francis
did care very much about climate change, which he probably
saw the impact that had on poor people. But poor
people probably don't care about climate change, you know what

(14:07):
I mean. They just care about basically having their souls
saved and getting some food on the table. So may
have missed the mark a wee bit with that stuff,
but it's a fair It's like, look, he's the woke pope, right,
so that's a fair criticism. I suppose. Listen, this is fascinating.
I don't know if you've been following the case of
the disappearance of John Beckenridge and his steps on Mike.
This is the case of the two of them going

(14:27):
off the cliff, remember, and then disappearing, and everybody thought,
oh he was he like he was clearly some sort
of like clearly in another life he was somehow involved
in intelligence.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
You don't come rolling with two or three different identities
and know how to fly a chopper and all that
kind of stuff and know how to escape for god
knows how long and hideaway and the bush and whatnot
without having some kind of career and intelligence. So he's
an interesting character. But anyway, story has always been they
went over the cliff, they dead, but actually are they?
Did they escape? Twist? Today, the coronial hearing is starting
up again this week in christ Church, and they're going

(14:59):
to hear from a witnessed her Reckons that his cousin
helped the two of these guys escape and that they're
not dead after all. The chap who's giving the evidence
as Oliver Watson. Now, his cousin, Paul Watson owned the
land where the car went off the cliff, and after
the media started reporting that the car had gone over
the cliff, Paul and Oliver spoke to each other on
the phone and Oliver reckons that Paul said we help

(15:20):
them out. They are alive now. Paul, who owns the land,
denies it, says he didn't help them out at all.
That both of them are going to be speaking to
the coronial hearing in christ Church this week, so we'll
get We'll have a chat to Annaliscar reporter who's all
over that. We'll chat to her after five o'clock. Also,
Sir David Moxon, now he has met the Pope a
number of times. David Moxon was the Anglican kind of

(15:42):
like ambassador to the Vatican, so's he's got to know
the chap, you know, a bunch of times. We'll have
a chat to him, just get his take on the
legacy of Pope Francis. NEWSTALKSZ'B headlines are coming.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Up, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
That'd besu.

Speaker 9 (16:23):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
It hasn't taken New Zealand first long to react to
that UK Supreme Court ruling. Has it on the definition
of a woman that came out, what was it Thursday
last week and I've already put in a member's bill
to define this is New Zealand first, to define what
a woman is here in New Zealand law as an
adult human biological female. Now, fair enough, whatever, here's the
problem I have with it. New Zealand first, part of

(16:46):
the government. They don't need to do this as a
member's bill. They can do it as a government bill. Now,
the difference between the two is that as a government
bill you just you go, oh, we're doing this bill
as a government and it's going to pass because we're
all going to vote for it, and we're going to
do it in two weeks time. Done it as a
member's bill. Everybody can do a members bill. The Greens
can do a members bill, of Marty Party can do
a member everybody can do a member's bill. But it
all goes into this Biscipton and then they stick their

(17:08):
hands in there every now and again they pull out
some bills and then they see it and they could
take years. It takes years for it to come. So
why are they going to the members bill route if
they're a party of the government and not just going
the government route. Is that because is that because they
don't have the support of their coalition partners, or because
this is just something cool to run on at the
next election. Anyway, we'll ask Winston about it. He's with us.
After half passed. It's twenty three away from five.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive so.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Thousands of mourners have prayed a rosary and some Peter
Square after the death of Pope Francis. He was eighty eight.
He died of a stroke over night. Jesuit priest James
Martin says the Pope will be remembered for his stance
on gay rights.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
Pope Francis was the first pope to use the word
gay in public. He came out against the criminalization of homosexuality.
He told parents not to kick out there are gay kids.
Even though the doctrine didn't change, the approach changed.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Over in the US, Republican House Representative Don Bacon has
called for the President to fire Defense Secretary Pete his
heagset Now. There have been reports that heg Seth shared
details of attacks and Yemen in a second signal group
CHAFF that included members of his family. This time now
Hegseth has been asked about this at the White House
Easter egg roll and he says, of course, he says,

(18:20):
it's all a beat up.

Speaker 12 (18:21):
This is what the media does.

Speaker 13 (18:23):
They take Nano's sources from disgruntled former employees and then
they try.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
To slash and burn people.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
They ruin their reputations, not going to work with me,
okay guy. And finally, scientists in West Africa have discovered
that wild chimps will occasionally throw boozy brunches, just like
we do. So chimps don't usually like to share food
with each other, but the researchers have seen some apes
in a national park passing around fermented breadfruit on more
than ten occasions. Now, the breadfruit has an alcohol content

(18:52):
of zero point sixty one percent, so the chimps probably
won't get very bad hangovers, if you.

Speaker 8 (18:56):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
International correspondence with ends and insurance peace of mind for
New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Murray Olds is the US out of Australia hammers afternoon
to your heather. So how is Australia reacting to this news?

Speaker 7 (19:09):
Well, there was grief and a national scale and and
spiritual leaders of just about every faith you can imagine
joining our political leaders and ordinary Aussies I suspect mainly
Catholic Australians and acknowledging the passing of Francis. Has been
a mass said and scores of churches across the country
many opened early. Many churches opened early to let people

(19:29):
come in to pray and reflect on the life of
a fellow who, in so many ways was a very
humble man. One young woman vox popped in Western Sydney.
She said, the fact that he shunned any flash car
and took the bus. She said, That's what I loved
about him, Just the fact he was so ordinary, given
the fact that you had such an important and important role.

(19:51):
Political leaders suspended campaigning today. Heather the first day for
early voting for our election on Saturday week and when
the he shouldn't have come as a shock, right because
he's been very unwell. But you saw him in Saint
Peter Square over the Easter weekend. You thought, ge, whiz, okay,
maybe he's going to rally here. But I thought of

(20:11):
that speech, that famous line from Julius Caesar, when beggars die,
there are no comets scene the heavens themselves blaze forth
the death of princes, and he was certainly a prince
of the church, no doubt about him.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Fair enough. Hey, so Duston is losing ground with women, a.

Speaker 7 (20:26):
Big time, big time. I mean, in fact, you'd have
to say, and you know, you know my politics. I'm
a labor guy and I'm not just bagging Dutton, but
boy boy, And this is a news poll, right, It's
conducted by the Murdock Organization, and the latest poll has
found women voters have dropped the opposition like hot spuds.
Female voters have swung in the last three weeks five

(20:49):
points to Labor two party preferred. The Coalitions lost ground
and key battlegrounds in western Sydney and western Melbourne, some
very important electorates there. The mortgage bell was swinging back
to Labour according to newspoll by age listening to this
thirty five to forty nine, fifty six percent to forty
four in favor of Labor, and younger voters two to one.

(21:11):
Even more that these are voters from thirty four down
to eighteen. And of course many of these, Heather, as
you know, are first time voters, very sharply moving towards Labor.
The Greens out polling a coalition and second spot with
the young voters.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, well that's not really a surprise, as the young
people love the Greens. Hey, what's the story with the
Sydney woman who is killing Wow?

Speaker 7 (21:33):
This is like something you see in a movie, but
it's not its real life. Her name was Kim Tran,
kidnapped and murdered then set on fire in the back
of a stolen car late last Saturday night. Now Poliso,
the forty five year old was killed because of her
husband's activities with a criminal organization thought to be based
in Victoria. Her husband was up in Queensland on business

(21:54):
and the night that his wife was abducted and murdered.
And by the way, these rat backs bashed a bat
over the head of his eight year year old son.
Something will never be the same again. He's in hospital
and induced coma. So they say that she was murdered
because of the husband's involvement with they think an Asian
crime gang. And December last year, I've forgotten about this
until I heard it on the news at midday. The

(22:16):
bodies of an Asian couple, husband and wife were found
wrapped in plastic and dumped in a waterway just out
near the back of the airport in Sydney and they
owed drug money. So it's extra I means as police
say that this crime is just off, this off the scale.
They haven't seen stuff like this for a very long time.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Mars, thanks for that. Look after yourself. That's Murray Old's
are Australia correspondent eighteen away from five. Do you want
to hear something weird? This is I reckon, this is
off the chants weird. Listen to this acad It was
carjacking in Queensland. And so the reporters turn up at
the scene with their cameras and their notepads and stuff,
and they're trying to find eyewitnesses to this carjacking and

(22:56):
they come across a couple of witnesses. But the weird
thing about the witnesses is that twin. Okay, that's not weird.
Twins are not weird. Sometimes they are, and in this
case they are. These twins are fifty one years old
and they still dress exactly the same as each other.
They have exactly the same hairstyles, they wear exactly the
same jewelry. But here's a bit that's even weirder than everything. Else.

(23:18):
Channel seven interviewed them. They speak in unison. Have a listen.

Speaker 14 (23:22):
He was up there with our mom and he went
up there and he was coming back down towards this
and he goes, run, he's got a gun, and oh,
our hearts started a pound and I said, oh mom,
where's mom?

Speaker 15 (23:38):
And Paul Mama's stuck up there by apparently our brave mom.
She goes, are you all right?

Speaker 16 (23:45):
Because he had all blood.

Speaker 15 (23:47):
His face, and he goes, I'll shoot you.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
She goes, hey, I'm here to hell. How creepy is that?

Speaker 8 (23:55):
Like?

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Is that not? Does that not just belong in a
horror movie somewhere where two people to exactly the same
sentences with each other. Oh, I'll tell you what if
you thought that was weird, go and look at the video,
you're going to have nightmares. Sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 2 (24:13):
Thomas Coglin, the Herald's political editors with the say Thomas, now, okay,
so why does Winston wanted to find define what a
man and a woman is in law?

Speaker 17 (24:22):
Well, he's been on this issue for quite some time now.
I think it's been been raced at the top of
the agenda again after that UK Supreme Court ruling last
week which which redefined in British law the term woman
as basically being an adult a biological female. So he's
Winston's always been been quite hot on the sort of

(24:45):
transgender issues. He was in favor of a bit of
a crackdown on transgender people in Sport and today, of course,
I'm probably in light of that Supreme Court ruling. He well,
his party has put up this members bill which will
redefine a woman in New Zealand law as an adult
human biological female. And and it's in the name of

(25:07):
Jimmy Marcroft. So I mean, the New Zealand verst is
doing a lot of these members bills. The chance of
it being drawn from the ballot is small, but yeah,
it could. It could be quite It could be quite
bigg if it were drawn or I'm not sure it
would pass. Why not, it would be what would be
one of the interesting things to be whether it be
a conscience vote. It's it's some of these issues do

(25:29):
go down to a conscience vote. If if that were
the case, it would be quite interesting. If not, however,
I do wonder where the nets would go. Then I
think the parties of the left would obviously be voting down,
voting it down. And if it were a national, if
it were a national, if it were a conscience vote,
then you might see some of the nets join them
when you think about the way that the gender self

(25:50):
id law with.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Okay, so Thomas, this is why they've gone for a
member's bill and not a government bill because they cannot
be sure that they've got their own coalition party.

Speaker 11 (25:58):
Support right sisely.

Speaker 17 (26:00):
And I don't think, you know, if if you want
a government bill, you have to get it through cabinet,
and I don't I don't think. I don't think they
would have they would have been able to get the
whole National Party.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I mean, so this is how they're going to differentiate
themselves come come next year an election time. Are they
going to say we stood up for the stuff and
the rest of the coalition didn't.

Speaker 17 (26:15):
Yeah, precisely. And I think this is the third the
third of quite I suppose, you know, like headline grabbing
our member's bill. Of recent times, they had the anti
Dee I won a few months ago, and then and
then before that or around the same time as that,
they had the one about woke banking, which was a
crackdown on banks and that sort of stuff. So they
usually met these members bills to to kind of differentiate

(26:38):
themselves from the other two parties, and they're getting somewhere
with it. The banking Bill was a major talking point
at their Finance and Expenditure so that committee and the
Bank chief consecutives with here, so they are working for them.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Oh yeah, okay, So what what is Luxe going to
talk with when he talk about when he meets with
Kerstarma later today.

Speaker 17 (26:55):
He's been the British Prime minister overnight our time. The
I think that the big the big thing. Two things
on the agenda are the government's big trade agenda. There's
a big push to make sure that New Zealand and
the UK are harnessing those trade links. We've obviously got
that that trade agreement with the with the EU with
a part of me with the UK gosh prebix A

(27:16):
Times which which is one of our best trade agreements.
So so he's he's going to talk about that and
try to try to build those trade links and obviously
the Ukraine support. I think our total support to Ukraine
now is over one hundred and fifty two New Zealand
million million New Zealand dollars. Sorry, and one of the
big things that we do in the UK with in

(27:37):
regard to Ukraine, as we're training Ukrainian troops that we've
trained nearly fifty thousand troops as part of the mission
in Ukraine. So that's that's big on the agenda too,
because obviously that's on their doorsteps.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Okay, I've got a weird one for you. Why has
Chris Hipkins been meeting with this gaming developer? What's going
on there?

Speaker 17 (27:51):
It's an interesting one. And in Later's last budget they
announced these subsidies for gaming companies, much like the film subsidies.
They have been quite successful. It means the gaming companies
day in New Zealand. So that's a good thing, but
obviously it comes as a messive cost to the crown
in terms of the subsidy that's paid out, much like
the film subsidy. So it's a controversial topic. It comes
from the Texas we pay and it goes to companies

(28:12):
that are that are doing pretty well. But the gaming
companies say, and they're telling the truth that if these
subsidies didn't exist at all, that all upsticks and move
to Australia. So that's a real catch twenty two. If
we want them here, we have to pay, but can
we afford it? Well the numbers would say that it's
a bit of a struggle.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah too, right, Thomas, Hey, thanks very much mate, you
really appreciate It's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. I've
got to just send an update for you. You're like, oh,
you know what I've been missing in my life as
a just cinder update. Well, here I've got one for you.
Guess who's doing the speech for Yale's graduation ceremony this year?
That's right, how very own you, Cindre yay, yay. What's

(28:50):
she going to say to them? What is Justina going
to say? What is she going to say to a
room full of Yale graduates? I mean think it's some
of the smartest people of the world. What's she going
to say to them? They can Is she going to
say that? What was she going to get? What is
it going to hug every single one of them as
she walked past? Give them meat your teddy bear. I
don't know. Obviously, I'm cynical about it, but that's because
I live in New Zealand, and I actually got to

(29:11):
know Jacinda, and you know, when you scratch below this
said blah blah blah whatever. But but just goes to
show Jacinda is way bigger globally than we know or
want to admit. And there's some more evidence of it.
Eight away from five, digging.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Into the issues that affect you, the mic asking.

Speaker 18 (29:30):
Break for Chrystopher luxembers, Well, it's the reserve being the
twenty five percent cut that Nicholas managed at twenty five percent.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
That reeks to me of waste.

Speaker 18 (29:38):
If you can slice somebody by twenty five percent and
they're still operating, somebody was rolling around in money.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, look out of.

Speaker 13 (29:43):
View and opposition was there was a lot of money
being piled into the reserve back and we also felt
that they had a very confused mandate. One of the
things we did in the first couple of weeks was
to say, you are one hundred percent focused on lowering inflation.

Speaker 18 (29:54):
That is your job, and I think they're help Given
there were three recessions, can we call them in confident
or can you not lay that out?

Speaker 3 (30:00):
The indoor step?

Speaker 18 (30:00):
In other words, how do you know you're getting value?

Speaker 3 (30:02):
For money.

Speaker 8 (30:02):
Well, what we can control is what we can control.

Speaker 18 (30:04):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain drove of the LAHN News Talk.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Said, B, get a load of this, hey, sign of
the times, A Sign of the Times number one. You
need to define in legislation what a woman is, so
you know the age that we live in. But also
half of us apparently feel overrun by our phone notifications.
There is a study in which they've gone and chatted
to adults and adults are like, haven't overrun by my
phone notifications? Okay, boomer, do you need me to talk

(30:32):
your hat through how to turn the phone notifications off
so you don't feel overwhelmed by it? Anyway? Never mind,
I'm going to talk to a neuroscientist about that in
about twenty minutes and probably just discuss how stupid we
are if we can't figure that out. Hither. Oh no,
this is not to Heather, this is to my boss.
Dear boss of news Talk, said B. I'm assuming it
starts like that. It's very badly judged of Heather Doublasy

(30:53):
Allen to make such derogatory comments about Pope Francis at
this time he hasn't even been dead twenty four hours.
Show a bit of decency, respect, she owes the Catholics
of New Zealand and apology. No, I do not settle down.
The Catholics are stoked for him because he's gone to
meet his Maker. Isn't that what we all want if
we're Christians, were wanting to die and go to heaven.
So this is not a sad day for Pope Francis.

(31:14):
The dude has been doing God's work on earth for
the last what twelve years, He's tired, he's old, he
was washing feet right up to the last minute, and
he's diet. Is probably stoked. He's gone to heaven. So
it's not a sad day at all. And get the story.
Let's be consistent in our story here, right. We're either
believing in heaven and we're all happy about it, or
we're sad because of the end of his life. And

(31:34):
then I owe you an apology. Texter, I do not
believe all Catholics believe this now on the subject of
the Pope, and we are going to speak to Sir
David Moxon alfter five o'clock about this. He was the
Anglican ambassador to the Holy See, some pretty weird old
ceremonies are going to be carried out in the next
wee while. And we don't like, it's not that long
ago since we did this, right, we did this twelve
years ago. So we know about the black smoke, we

(31:54):
know about the white smoke. We know all about all
the cardinals getting in the room together and you know,
doing the little bits of paper with the three and
all the weird things that they do. But did you know,
I didn't know this that he has a ring, and
now that he's dead, they're going to pluck it off
his finger and they're going to destroy it. Now, it's
not clear how they destroy it, whether they actually get
a hammer and splash the thing to bits, or whether
they just defaate like like to a big scratch and

(32:16):
deface it. They're going to do something to it. It's
called the Ring of the Fishermen, and each pope gets one.
It's a little signet ring, and they used to you know,
obviously you know, see all the wax and the documents
and stuff back in the olden days with it. Nowadays
it's just a print in little ring. But back in
the old days they used to destroy it to physically
prevent forgeries. You don't need to do that anymore. Obviously,
it's largely symbolic, but that's what they're going to do

(32:36):
to it, amongst many other weird, little little traditions that
they will be doing in the next few days. So anyway,
there we go, talk about a little bit more shortly
news talks.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
They'd be.

Speaker 19 (32:48):
Saying, people, is a little good nest it So then
made bed Tim and mill hily.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Digging through the smiths to find the real story. Goory,
It's Heather dups on drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
News talks at be.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Afternoon. So the Vatican has swung into action following the
Pope's death. The College of Cardinals is going to decide
today when to move his body into Saint Peter's Basilica
for a public viewing now. So, David Moxon met the
Pope a number of times. He was the Archbishop of
Canterbury's representative to the Holy See, and he's with us now, David, Hya, Hi, Hi.
There was he as fun a personality in real life
as he's been portrayed.

Speaker 20 (33:47):
Well, I think meeting him personally behind the big formal
statements and the big receptions. He comes across as relaxed
as he does on public I don't think he was
two different people. It was kind of like sitting down
with your favorite uncle when you were with him one
to one, and he was often like that with a crowd.
He called them brothers and sisters. He spoke anecdotally, personally, lovingly,

(34:13):
like an uncle in a crowd of forty five thousand people,
or sitting down, say with King Etuhtia or people from
all over the world.

Speaker 8 (34:21):
He was the same.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Was that a personality thing or was that his training
as a Jesuit priest.

Speaker 20 (34:26):
I think it's a bit of both. He grew up
in an Italian family in Argentina, and that Italian love
of family and cousins and friends and guests. I think
table hospitality is very real, extroverted, warm, loving culture. I
think that was from his childhood. But the Jesuits also
took the view that you should welcome everyone as if

(34:49):
they were Christ. You should see the image of God
and everybody, and I think that combined with his upbringing.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Do you think he was the reformer in the Church
that we had expected him to be.

Speaker 20 (35:00):
He was intending to be the reformer we hoped he
would be, and what he found, as everybody finds in
a large global institution with huge numbers of volunteers, is
that you have to be very careful, you have to
be very evocative, you have to be patient, you have
to look to the long goal. And he achieved some

(35:23):
major wins, and he had some major areas where he
wasn't able to achieve everything he hoped. But I think
all in all, he did a remarkable job given the
vast variety of people around the world who belong to
the Catholic Church but also their colleagues and other denominations
and other faiths.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I mean one indication, I guess what we're looking at
to see whether the church has moved in a more
liberal direction under him for the longer term is whether
the next pope is a liberal as well. What do
you rate the chances of that happening or will it
be a swing back to conservatism?

Speaker 20 (36:00):
Iman Catholic in the Courier in the Conclave could answer
that My view as an observer partner from the outside
is that most of the cardinals and the conclave are
chosen by the pope. There of that age group, that
he chose them and put them in position so he
would be progress the mission of the church, who would

(36:22):
help to keep the church open, an hospitable, warm and
loving and like him. And I think that it would
be highly likely that the next Pope would be someone
who would respect the pontificate of Pope Francis.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Hey, David, thank you. I really appreciate your time. That
Sir David Moxen, who is the former Anglican representative to
the Holy See, Heather Duplessy Ellen, we have a twist
in the case of John and Mike Beckenridge's mysterious disappearance
all those years ago. A hearing's being held in christ
Hug this week. Now, this is two years after the
initial coronial hearing. Analiska is The Herald's senior crime reporter.
He's been at the hearing and is with us now. Hay, Hannah, Hi, Heather. Okay,

(36:59):
so this new we have evidence as a chap who
reckons that his cousin helped the pair escape.

Speaker 8 (37:03):
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (37:04):
Yes, We're going to hear more from this guy this week.
But apparently he told his cousin that he had helped
them and that they were alive and that was reported
to police, we understand in sort of mid last year
and was investigated and is now back before the coroner.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Why is it taken so long to be reported? I mean,
this case has made headlines for years now.

Speaker 8 (37:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
Look, well, I think we'll hear a bit more about
that this week. We're expecting to hear from the guy
who's allegedly said this and the people who said it
to And I think that's one of the big questions
that we'll be asked, is why it you know, it
came out when it did.

Speaker 11 (37:40):
You know.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
We'll also hear from another family member about the dynamic
between these two people. So I think it's going to
be quite interesting hearing the two sides and seeing what
the coroner makes of it.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Ultimately. What do we hope to get from this? Like
what is the coroner going to ultimately rule? Do you think?

Speaker 6 (37:57):
Look, the inquest was in twenty twenty three, and I
think that you know, this coming out, the corn has
got to have a look at it and see where
he can take it from here, if anywhere. You know,
obviously this is an exercise in getting everyone to the table,
you know, seeing who's saying what and what the veracity
is these claims and whether they can it can go
anywhere another police have looked into it, and we'll hear

(38:18):
more about that in the next couple of days as well. So, yeah,
it's going to be very interesting I think for everyone
to sort of hear this new information. But they're definitely
interesting for us to hear it this morning that there
was new evidence that was going to be tabled.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, and have we got anywhere closer to understanding whether
this car could have actually gone off the cliff without
a driver.

Speaker 9 (38:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
We had an independent engineering expert who gave evidence today.
Now his evidence was sought I think sort of mid
twenty twenty three. They wanted to find someone that could
really really speak to you, an independent person to speak
to this. The police obviously are saying that no way
could have gone off without someone in it. This expert
today said that from what he's seen of the scene,

(39:00):
from the evidence, there there is no evidence that somebody
jumped out of the car at the last minute. He
said that, you know, to rig a car to go
over in the straight line that it did off that
cliff would take quite some if at an expense.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
There's no evidence of that.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
And that you know, his version of events is the
probability is very likely that there was someone behind the
wheel when that car went over. However, the steering wheel
and the brake pedal were never recovered, so you know,
it's a lot of We know that the car was
in absolute state when they found it. The bodies were

(39:37):
not in the car, you know, So we're looking at
expert evidence of what could and couldn't have happened, but
whether we'll ever really know not sure.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, it might be one of those. Hey, Anna, thanks
very much, appreciate it. Analyask The Herald's senior crime reporter
thirteen past five co governance. I know, so I know
you thought, oh, here we go COVID. I thought we'd
put that to bed. No we haven't. We're going to
talk to you about co governance because I think we've
got another case of it popping up. I'll get to it,

(40:08):
but hopefully hopefully before this half an hour through. But
just a little bit of good economic news to share
with you. We have, as a country, reported a merchandise
trade surplus of nine hundred and seventy million dollars in March. Now,
this is the highest monthly surplus that we've recorded since
May and twenty twenty, and back then there was all
kinds of weird things going on with COVID and numbers
and stuff like that. So if you wipe out COVID

(40:28):
and all the weird stuff, this is a really big
trade surplus for the country. It suggests apparently that we
may be experiencing an export lead economic recovery. Now this
the other way. First of all, big number, but also
bigger than we were expecting, so that's quite a big thing.
It surpassed worst Pack's forecast of about seven hundred and
sixty five. Came in at nine seventy. We're gonna have

(40:48):
chat to Nikola all this about it. She's with us
as per usual after six o'clock right now, quarter past.

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Speaker 3 (41:58):
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Speaker 2 (42:00):
Now time to talk about one of the great scourges
of modern life, which is obviously the smartphone and the
notifications that you get on this blinking thing. According to
new research commissioned by two Degrees, half of us reckon
we get too many notifications in the day. Catherine Burkett
is a neuroscience expert and with us. Now, Hey, Catherine, hey,
I'm fascinated by what this does to our heads. Right,
fifty percent of us feel overwhelmed. What is it doing

(42:22):
to our brains?

Speaker 21 (42:24):
We haven't got the time to go into that, but
in a summary, it's it's literally training us to be
on alert for I say danger, but you know, for
something We just know something's coming and you can sort
of feel it in your body, can't you if.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
You hyd.

Speaker 21 (42:41):
Yeah, just what's coming next? Is something I should think
there's something going to happen soon, And if we don't
control them, it can get a little bit. Yeah, it
can get a little bit overwhelming.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Because the young people in particular, thirty eight percent of
gen z reckon, they feel anxious, panicked, or overwhelmed at
the number of notifications. So that's that little feeling that
we get. Why, though, Catherine, do we not have the
I just like the common sense to turn the notifications off.
Do you indulge in a little bit of whine every
now and then.

Speaker 21 (43:12):
Haven't you the common sense not to have it?

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Because it's fun, because.

Speaker 21 (43:14):
It's nice, because it's a buzz, because it's in small
amounts and certain amounts, it's great, isn't it. And also,
by the way, we need these things. And that's the
difficult thing is that they're amazing. They enhance our life
so much, but yet they can also do this. So yeah,
it's it's and it's the addiction. It's the you know,
we do want to know that people care about us
and like us. So yeah, that's why we're asking people

(43:37):
to not you know, walk away from it, but to
control it, to have a bit more control.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
It's controlling you.

Speaker 21 (43:44):
So that's that's the idea of understanding this information.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
What do you do, Catherine, What do you do to
control your notifications and your phone's impact on your life?

Speaker 21 (43:54):
Actually, I mean I have notifications off, but I actually
also have trained myself not to salivate to the bell,
all right, not to jump up as soon as there's
a ping. If there's a ping, and I can be
sitting around with some other adults and I'll go that
was your.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Phone, I'm gonna yeah, it's fine. I'll get it later.

Speaker 21 (44:11):
I'm not controlled by it. It doesn't make me want
to go over. So I've trained my brain to not
ping run over. Do you see what I mean? So
there's that as well, because I'm in control of it.
It's not it's not going to control my life.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yep, yep, yep. I love what you're doing there, Catherine,
Thank you very much. It's good good news you can
use Catherine Burkett neuroscientists listen on the subject. Can I
I just I noticed the thing? Okay, so I've noticed
this thing lately where and I want I just want
to know maybe if a boomer can explain this to me.
But why do boomers have such bad phone manners? Because
it seems to be to be a uniquely boomer problem.

(44:49):
Like I don't know. If you know my mum right,
you'll be we're walking around in the middle, you could
be anywhere you should be at my house, be walking
around in town, in a supermarket, in a restaurant, and
if somebody calls her, she puts it on speaker phone
and then holds the speakerphone like you know, like five
centimeters that's ten, maybe fifteen, fifteen centimeters away from her
face and talks into it, but on speaker phone. To me,

(45:12):
there's no why don't you just take it off speaker phone,
put it up to your ear then only you can
hear what the person's saying. Now you need to put
it on speakerphone and hold it up there like that's
like a little mirror for your face. That's weird, isn't it? Anyway?
So I noticed that and I was like, Mum, you
got to stop doing that. This bad manners. But then
I started noticing lots of boomers doing exactly the same thing.
And then I noticed other boomers. You'd be talking to
them the phone rings. I was talking to a boomer

(45:34):
the other day the phone rang. They just up picked
it like smooth as you like, just picked it up
and started talking to the phone. Just didn't even say
to me, excuse me if I phone's ringing, I'm just
going to take a phone call. Just went blah blah
blah blah blah. What's up? Boomers? What's up? I don't
understand it because you people are the ones who hammered manner,
isn't us? You were like, oh, you're gonna have a
knife and fork with the ruplet You run and I'm
gonna sit down at the table.

Speaker 11 (45:54):
Don't talk food in you out, No at the table.
I remember that one.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, and now you guys are just like blah blah
in front of your what's going on?

Speaker 8 (46:01):
Please?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I really want to understand it because it does not
appear to be a millennial problem, just a boomer problem.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Five twenty two Informed Inside into Today's issues. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
News Talk zed B five twenty five. Listen, I gotta
tell you something here at Newstalk ZB. We sometimes cop
it from the hand ringers for not taking the weather
warning seriously. You know what I'm talking about. You know,
when you've got the schools around Auckland shutting because there's
a bit of water coming, bit of rain, and some
of us argue the schools should stay open when it rains,
and that the hand ringers get very fidgety and they
have a crack at us. Now, I can't speak for

(46:36):
everybody here at Newstalk ZB, but let me tell you
why I don't take where the warning seriously anymore because
of what happened to Auckland at the weekend. Out of
the blue, no warning whatsoever. There is huge rain on
Friday night, very early Saturday morning as well, and we've
got flooding right, no warning whatsoever. In fact, the warning
does come after the storm's been going on for about
an hour.

Speaker 20 (46:55):
Now.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
It's not as if the METS Service and the emergency
managing people weren't watching the word that they were on
alot for the weather, because we had a weather warning
on Thursday, didn't we? And then on Friday morning we
still had a weather warning and they say, oh, don't
worry about it. That's the end of that for now.
And then Friday night bang, no warning, and then Saturday
when they just start warning for absolutely everything that looks
vaguely like a cloud like mat goes the phone on Saturday,

(47:18):
but of a warning twice goes the phone on Sunday.
My producer reckons she looked up when she saw that
blue sky. Yep, do we have a major incident on
Saturday and Sunday? No, not really, But that's when we
got the warnings because they were butt covering, So we
got warnings for nothing and then no warning for the
actual thing. Now, this is exactly what happened to Auckland.
Two years ago when Auckland flooded on Auckland Anniversary. We

(47:39):
can remember that no warning, suddenly we're flooding. Everybody's got
the cars halfway, you know, like floating around the city.
Still no warning, are still not telling us what's going on.
And then after that, warnings thick and fast for absolutely nothing.
So it's a repeat of the same thing. And this
is why I don't take the warning seriously anymore, because
warnings usually mean nothing's gonna happen and we're overreacting. And
when there's there's no warning, that's when you need to panic. Now,

(48:02):
met service reckons, Look, it's because it's very hard to
predict a thunderstorm. That's what happened. Well, listen, mate, everybody's
job is hard, Okay. We wouldn't accept it if the
builder in our backyard built a wonky deck. Squaring off
a frame is hard. We wouldn't accept it if a
heart surgeon killed every single patient that they had, because
you know, doing heart surgery is actually hard. If you
think predicting thunderstorms is hard, get another job until we

(48:24):
can trust the warnings. The opposite is true. We can't
trust the warnings and they're a joke, and that's why
we treat them as such.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Heather, do for see, Ellen, Heather, holding.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
The phone to the ear is radiation closed to the head.
That's why we do this, Heither, it's because of the
boomer's hearing aids and get the feeling into their ears. Heather,
my mum does exactly the same, Heather, excuse me. I agree,
I'm only sixty three. But what's worse is that the
boomers actually put the speaker on full and then they
talking to the wrong end of the phone and everyone
else can hear it as well. That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm talking about. I don't want to know

(48:53):
about your your deal that you're doing on the phone anyway.
So it's not just me, but we don't apart from
the radiation, we don't know why anyway. Winston's next, and
I'll tell you about co governance shortly news talks. He'd
beat st.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home, it's hither duplicy, Ellen, drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected Newstalgsa'd.

Speaker 8 (49:17):
Be hugging bonus and flowers.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
My name and said, Hey, I've got a couple of
Texters suggesting that maybe the problem with what happened with
the weather on Easter Friday is there may be a
pattern here. So we didn't get the warnings anniversary weekend
in Auckland, and we didn't get the warnings east of
Friday in Auckland. What's the What are those two things

(49:43):
got in common? Mm hmm, that's for our long weekends.
Do you think that everybody at the Met Service went
on holiday and just left Junior in the office office
by himself, And Junior was sitting there going, oh, hey, oh,
there's something happening on that mother's cool. Those colors are cool. Yep, okay, cool,
and just carried on playing whatever game whatever, like I
don't know what to call, like Minecraft or something a

(50:05):
little Minecraft. And meanwhile Auckland's getting flooded here. The Met
Service were all on holiday on Good Friday evening, I
think at approximately ten o'clock I looked at the rain radar.
You could see a massive continuous stream of rain from
about Walkworth all the way to the Bay of Islands,
heading towards Auckland. It was obvious we were going to
be in strife. But Met Service all on holiday junior's
playing Minecraft. There's your problem. So next time it's a
long weekend and it's a bit rainy, watch out Auckland

(50:27):
because met Service might all be on holiday again. Twenty
three away from six Huddle's gonna be at us shortly.
But First New Zealand First is proposing to define what
a woman is in law after the UK Supreme Court
ruling last week. Now the Members build defines a woman
as an adult human biological female New Zealand First leader
obviously as Winston Peter's Winston. Hello, Hello, Why do we

(50:48):
need to have these definitions in law?

Speaker 8 (50:51):
Look, we have for decades said that the government's got
no place in the nation's bedrooms. It's not about being
aunt anyone or aunt anything. But we have to have
a focus on the facts of biology and protect the
term women in this country's law.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Practically, what's it going to do? I mean, what spaces
or things are we protecting for women through this definition.

Speaker 8 (51:14):
Well, there's a whole lot of spaces. I mean it
started off you remember it's about twenty twenty one in
the Indocargol swimming pools. There was an argument about men's
or certain men's or non women's rights walking to the
girls and the women's changing sheds. I mean, this was
disgrace and it camera carried on from there. We were

(51:36):
told we're going down a rabbit hole, or some porticians
said we're on another planet. And the fact of the
matter is that this is a case where women who
are deserving protection in sport and many other occasions are
simply not getting it in our law.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
So would this be applicable in sport as well? Winston?
So for example, if you were, like, we're running a
women's rugby league team, you could say to trans women,
you can't join the team.

Speaker 8 (52:00):
You're not a woman, You've got a biological advantage. You're
not going to be playing in the same fairness scene
as women are.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yeah, okay, do you think that there is I mean
the first thing is do we actually have a problem
where we actually have trans women going into bathrooms and
women objecting to it? Is that actually happening?

Speaker 8 (52:21):
Look, that's happening, and we've but women who twice have
presented petitions to us in the last year asking for
us to do something about it. And what we've had
here is an unusual circumstance where of late they woke
left and their ideology has crept in and no one's
got a thing about it, and we are saying, no,

(52:41):
that's enough. The law should be clear. It is unusual
that we have to write the law this way. We
all understood and we thought we understood what we're talking about.
But now because of those who don't have any regard
to electoral mandates or any rights or majority rights, are
just asserting we think this and if you don't think that,
then you're out of touch. Well we're not out of touch.

(53:02):
We're in touch with the mass majority and we're going
to do something about and ensuring that women in particular
are safe.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Look, the second thing is, if you're serious about it,
why are you doing this as a member's bill? Why
aren't you doing it as a government bill? Because a
member's bill it may or may not happen for decades.

Speaker 8 (53:17):
It'll we make it. I can assure you of this
because there's enormous pressure for the political parties in Parliament
to address this issue. Yeah, Chris Simquins was asked this question,
you recall in twenty twenty three, and he said he'd
get back to these people. He didn't want to talk
about it, didn't know he didn't. He couldn't describe what
a woman was. That's how bad things have got.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
But why don't you do it as a government bill?
Because I mean, you're doing the same thing as him, right,
this is on the back burner if it's a member's bill.
Why don't you do it as a government bill.

Speaker 8 (53:46):
I guarantee you'll not be on the back burner. We'll
make sure it's on the front burner and it's already started.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
But you can't Winston because it has to get drawn
out randomly out of a biscuit. And so why don't
you do it as a government bill and.

Speaker 8 (53:55):
Do it now? Because when you're trying to negotiate a
former college governed ow many people don't have the priority
on some of the most fundamental things my party does.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Who's holding it out? Is it national or is it act?

Speaker 8 (54:09):
Well, we'll see who's holding it up. But here's the point. Yeah, no, no,
I don't laugh. It's not a laughing matter. The women
are the majority of population of this country. That's the
first thing.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And the second thing is, well, I want to know
who's holding it up Onceton. Somebody's holding it up.

Speaker 8 (54:23):
Well, we'll we'll find out who's holding it back, and
we'll ensure that the public knows.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
About Hey, listen, tell me something. What did Nicola get
you for your happy birthday? By the way, what did
Nicola get you for your birthday?

Speaker 8 (54:36):
Actually a drawing? A train drawer, No, no, know, a
blob of someone else's drawing.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
One of those newspaper cartoons.

Speaker 8 (54:48):
No, no, I didn't have times. It was the last
day letting our heading off to the four country Spacific.
I barely had time to look at us say look,
I'll look at it when I get back. Yeah, no,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Then and did you have a knees up?

Speaker 3 (55:03):
No?

Speaker 8 (55:03):
I didn't. And well there were attempts to have him.
He's up, but I made sure I avoided him, but
I ended up. This was a catastrophe. I went on
the wrong way. But I've gone Hawaii first and back
to Tonga. I would have avoided my birthday because the
eleventh would have been in two different days. But I
went to Tonga and then went to Hawaii, and I
got I got it twice trying to avoid it.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
That sounds like calmer. Hey, happy birthday, Winston, and thank
you for your time. That's Winston Peter's New Zealand First
Leader eighteen away from Sex.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the ones
with worldwide connections that performed not a promise.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
On the Huddle. Tim Wilson of the Maximum Institute and
Joseph Gurney, CEO of Child Fund Hire you guys.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Hello, Hey there, Tim, you are Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Reckon you're the most prominent Catholic on our show. So
tell me what did you think of the Pope? Did
you think he was a fun time or a bit disappointing?

Speaker 22 (55:54):
I thought it was a Look, I'm pretty sure that
he was a very devout and humble man. You know,
he used to they used to have to prize his
shoes off him because they're full of holes. So no
question he was put himself. Actually stayed in the Vatican
guest house. He didn't want to stay in the swanky apartments.
So in that sense, very very devout and humble. I
was interested in your discussion with Sir David Moxton talking

(56:17):
about you know, it was all based on the assumption
that changes God, whereas I'm not sure, you know, if
you've got a message of love and forgiveness, why do
you want to change that, and I think you know that.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Actually, I'll push back on that to him, because you
can have a message of love, but if you exclude
women from the clergy, if you don't want to deal
with divorce people, and if you don't want to embrace
gay people, then there's.

Speaker 11 (56:36):
Not a lot of love.

Speaker 22 (56:38):
Well love, love has showing all kinds of different ways.

Speaker 12 (56:41):
But love is also expressed through truth. And so if
this is what you believe to be the truth.

Speaker 22 (56:45):
Then that's I think that's that's fine, And I'm just
I'm just saying that, you know, the love for tradition
and the immutability of the church. What was at last
Easter Sunday, the Saint Patrick's in Auckland City baptized three
hundred and fifty people. The Angler I'm not don't want
to play, you know, teams against teams, but the Anglicans
got that in one year. So there's there's there's an

(57:07):
attraction here that's actually happening.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
You do it, you're shameless.

Speaker 12 (57:11):
Well, you've got to have comparisons.

Speaker 22 (57:12):
You've got to have a comparison here that come up.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
I found him disappointing because I come from a much
more liberal perspective, and so I wanted it. What he
did was he did just a lot of talking about it, right,
never actually changed anything about the way that the Catholic
Church approached these people.

Speaker 16 (57:26):
Well, my family is is a classic microcosm of the
Catholic Church. So my brother, who was a very naughty
boy in his twenties, is a very very orthodox Catholic
now and I'm a much more obviously liberal, not obviously,
but I'm very liberal Catholic. And he would call me
a cafe Catholic. You know, I picked that.

Speaker 22 (57:45):
Is that like a Charlagae Catholic.

Speaker 16 (57:47):
Yes, it is Champagne Champagne. Well I'm a Champagne socialist
and a cafe Catholic. So yeah, basically very nutritious around.
But look, I do think I know what you mean,
because a lot of people have said this that he
didn't change enough. But I think you have to understand.
And both Tim and I Catholics, and you know we
and we share a faith, but the church is so

(58:09):
divided and Francis, Pope Francis didn't want a civil war,
so he set about to try and avoid that, to
avoid the culture wars. So what he did was go
and He's got a lovely phrase where he said to
the bishops and priests, go and smell the sheep, which
has something means something slightly different in New Zealand. But
what he meant by that was stay close to the
people that the church serves, you know. And that's what

(58:31):
Tim was just saying that, And that was something where
he just wanted to say the church is open to everybody.
Now he did. You're right, Heather. He didn't change the
doctrine on gay marriage, he didn't change woman priests, all
of the things that sort of liberal Catholics like me
would go, well, we're ready for that. But main his
main goal was to change the tone and the style

(58:52):
of the Catholic Church and then to have the conversation
at least, but not to start a civil war. And
people like my brother, who I door and love dearly,
was itching for a fight, so he was trying to
avoid that.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, that's fair enough. I appreciate it, or I take
a break, come back shortly. It is fourteen away from
sex ins the Huddle.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
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Speaker 2 (59:18):
Right back of the huddle. Tim Wilson, JOSEPEGANI, Josie, what
are we going to do with met Service?

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Well?

Speaker 16 (59:24):
There is there is some personal responsibility here, there isn't it?
Like if I think of my family, my son who
shall remain nameless, Carlo and decided to go tramping this weekend, right,
And I found out about this afterwards, and I was like, well,
when a bloody idiot you went tramping when there was
a cyclone and a storm predicted a met service, So

(59:45):
that there's something about, you know, Dulwinnie and no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
No, no, Josey, don't be unfair. He looked at it
and he was like, no.

Speaker 22 (59:52):
Lock and he said, this is the perfect perfect time
for me to go out.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Yeah, because he was like, the meat services, the weather's
going to be bad, therefore it's probably going to be
good because they suck at their jobs. This is what
happens when you suck at your job when you're a
met service staffer.

Speaker 22 (01:00:05):
Isn't it also also McDonald's berger, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
This is all that we can summarize this in one word.

Speaker 12 (01:00:14):
Testosterone.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Get used to it, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
It's awesome, Tim, though there is something there is a
problem here right where we've got We don't get the
warnings when we should get the warnings, and then we
get the warnings when there's actually nothing to be warned about.

Speaker 22 (01:00:25):
Yeah, and as I think you pointed out, the more
this happens, the more we discount it.

Speaker 12 (01:00:29):
We go, oh is this a real warning?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
You know?

Speaker 22 (01:00:31):
I got I got one what was at two three
on Saturday, and it said this is up till twoint fifteen,
and it's like, oh, come on, are you kidding me?
And nothing was happening, and so and so. I guess
the bigger question here is what do we expect from government?
Do we actually expect the government to tell it?

Speaker 8 (01:00:47):
We can?

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
We can search out the weather.

Speaker 22 (01:00:49):
Ourselves on the Internet and determine our behavior on that basis.
I don't need some Clackson in the supermarket telling me
that China may or may not be bombing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Oh no, it's just make th understorm.

Speaker 16 (01:01:01):
Well that's my point is that is that you do
have some personal response. But I mean I checked the
weather and I wasn't going tramping. I was flying in
a little plane. But I checked the weather and couldn't
see that there was a whole bunch of rain coming,
so you know you are you are able to actually
check the weather yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yeah, okay, all right I can.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:01:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I like where you guys are.

Speaker 22 (01:01:21):
Going with this and in which we don't don't expect
the state to feed you, to drip feed your everything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Well, I mean, don't don't give them anything. Don't tell
me that, Like, we're either in this or we're not.

Speaker 19 (01:01:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
We're either going to ignore them or we're gonna we're
going to listen to their warnings. And if they're going
to give us warnings, and they're better be good at it.
Otherwise I suppose we're back to exactly where we started. Listen, Tim,
tell me, do the notifications on your phone overwhelming?

Speaker 12 (01:01:46):
Well they don't look they're from limit service. No, No,
I mean I thought what was really interesting about this is.

Speaker 22 (01:01:53):
We defined it in terms of anxiety. And actually anxiety
is not a bad thing because you know, you think
about your working, so that's sort of meaningful. It actually
helps you get stuff done. So you need to actually
have you know, you need to have this unmeaningful anxiety
or this sort of needless anxiety. Just as your guest said,
select your notifications and if you if you guess them all.
You can actually pretend to ignore people and actually ghost

(01:02:16):
them and it's not your fault. Sorry, I turned off
my notifications.

Speaker 16 (01:02:21):
Once again, it is personal responsibility. So you can actually
go through and get rid of the risko's notifications because in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
The you're missing point, you're missing an important point, which
is that the kids will Everybody wants the note. We
want the notifications there because then we can just get
that little dopamine hair and people love us blah blah blah.
But then the counter of that is that the constant,
that constant thing makes us makes us feel bad in
the long term.

Speaker 16 (01:02:51):
A bottle of whiskin and McDonald's yourself.

Speaker 22 (01:02:54):
Out and given and given, given, also personal responsibility. I
understand there's an unbaptized child in your house, Heather. I
could actually have a Jesuit Special Ops team around there
in twenty minutes. We could take care of that too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Do you want because you have been trying the longest
time out like I was leaning towards the Anglicans for
a minute and you freaked out, And now you're trying
to get me to become a Catholic, aren't you.

Speaker 22 (01:03:16):
The waters come on the waters of the tiber are
warm and rising. Heather, come on, come on me and Tim.
So look, you've got exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
If I can be that, if I can be a
Josie type of Catholic. I well, guys, thank you very much,
really appreciate it. Tim Wilson, Joseph Ghani. Honestly, you will
not know it, will not believe the number of times
that Tim texts me to check if I've settled on
a church yet and whether I'm going to become a Catholic.
He's doing God's where he's doing more work than the Pope.
Seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Heather, the Meat Services, chicken licking, the sky is falling
and bang on, that's exactly what the boy that cried
wolf right, and you know how that story ends. Hither.
The best one I saw was the boomer woman speaking
on her phone in countdown talking to her sex therapist
discussing her bedroom techniques. Some people should take it off
speaker phone, George, bang On, That's what I'm saying. I
hadn't got quite to that place, although I was complaining

(01:04:15):
about my mum, so that if that had happened, it
was my mum would be in a real book pickle,
wouldn't we So I'm glad it was just the lady
in Countdown who had that conversation on speaker four away
from six. Now, silly old me, surly old me. But
I thought that this government was getting rid of co
governance because remember how they were like no to three waders,
no to the new RMA legislation because that was all
riddled with co governance. Well, guess what it's still going on.

(01:04:38):
Got an example of one being set up right now
for the White Targety Ranges. Now, what's happened is that
Auckland Council and the Government and the Tongue at the
Fenua are proposing to set up a committee to run
the place fifty percent representation from Tongue at the Fenua,
fifty percent from the Council and the Crown. That is
co governance right there right, That is, that is basically

(01:04:58):
the co governance that have seen run and down this country.
That's it happening right therefore the White Targety Ranges. And
it looks like a decision was taken in December last year,
so this is fresh stuff. What it means is that
Tangue Defena will Will Will basically as I say, get
fifty percent decision making. What they want to do though
is important here because they want to restrict This is
Tekawuo Amaki. Want to restrict public access to a huge

(01:05:21):
chunk of the regional park, which is what why targety
ranges are because they want to close a bunch of tracks. Right,
So I think it works out at about thirty five
percent of the park's total land would be restricted from using.
Nineteen of the tracks would be eliminated, and that I
think accounts for something like fourteen percent of the tracks. Anyway,
I'm interested in this because I think this is just

(01:05:42):
the latest example of the government saying sort of representing
change to us and suggesting they were going to change things,
and just carrying on with much of the same. Nikola
Willis's with ustraight after six. We'll have a chat to
her about that. Also, she's given some interviews this weekend
suggesting that she is going to start paying down debt
in a big way, So we have a chat to
her about that. Short news talks dby If this were Manquod's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
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Indebrady is with us out of the UK right now
it's eight pass six and with us as the finance minister.
Nikola will this evening Nicolaise.

Speaker 23 (01:06:53):
Good evening, Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Now I see that you're talking about starting to pay
down our debt. Are you going to start paying down
the debt this budget?

Speaker 23 (01:06:59):
The first step to paying down debt is getting the
budget back in balance. Because New Zealand has been in deficit,
spending more than we earn since twenty nineteen, and we've
previously said that we want to consolidate gradually. Our goal
is to get back into surplus by the twenty seven
twenty eight financial year. That goal remains the same.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Okay, so we get back to suplus twenty seven twenty
eight and then we start hammering the debt. Is that right?

Speaker 23 (01:07:22):
That's right, because once you're in surplus, of course, you're
no longer borrowing to pay for the groceries, and you've
got the ability to pay down debt. Of course, we're
borrowing every day right now to keep our hospitals, schools
and police going. But we can't do that forever as
a country. We need to get the books back and balance.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
So what do you reckon is a good level for
debt to sit out?

Speaker 23 (01:07:40):
Well, forty percent is where I would like to get
it too. I want it tracking down to there. Between
twenty and forty percent is where the government has said
is what we're comfortable with. It's now up over that
level our treasury say, beyond fifty percent, it becomes a
bit of a problem if we get an earthquake or
a climate or are any kind of big economic event.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Okay, hold on, So are you saying that when you
leave the role as Finance minister one day, forty percent
will be a good spot to get it too.

Speaker 23 (01:08:10):
Yeah, well, I want it tracking down to forty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Isn't it only twenty two and a half at the moment.

Speaker 23 (01:08:15):
Yes, that's right, But it's forecast to keep growing while
we're still in deficit. So my first goal is to
get it bending back down to forty and then we
think it should comfortably sit between twenty and forty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Okay, and so what is it going to track at?
What is it going to reach it its height according
to forecasts?

Speaker 23 (01:08:30):
Well, that's what I'm going to tell you at the
budget okay, very budget sensitive figure. It needs to be
fore dating.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Then you've got to have a stretch goal, right you
can't be doing like forty three percent down to forty percent.
That's not impressive.

Speaker 23 (01:08:42):
Well, as I say, the first thing is get your
books back and balance, and New Zealand is listening to
this will understand that the first thing to start being
able to pay down your credit card debt is to
actually not be spending more than you earn each week.
And right now New Zealand is spending more every year
than we are earning, and so we have to get
that right. And that's the prerequisite of being able to

(01:09:03):
pay down debt. And of course labor at every instance
say the answer to every problem is to spend more,
and they forget the fact that right now it's all
on the credit card, and that credit card needs to
be repaid by your kids and my kids.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Nicola is the Reserve Bank currently independent of view? It is, well,
how did you get them to change their mind about
the capital funding? Once Adrian or left because he was like, no,
I don't want to know, I don't want to do
what you want. He's out the door. Christian and Neil
quickly decide to do what you want.

Speaker 23 (01:09:31):
Well, they took that decision independent of me. You'll know
that there's been a Select Committee inquiry occurring at Parliament
into the banking sector and one of the issues that's
been raised by submitter after submitter is the impact the
changes in the Reserve Bank's capital adequacy ratios have had
on lending. I think the Reserve Bank has observed that

(01:09:51):
public debate and in their own words, they've decided it's
an appropriate time to check in and see whether the
decisions they made back in twenty nineteen is still step
agree with.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
You on this and I think that they're doing the
right thing. But you've got a problem here, haven't you,
Because what's being suggested in the media today is that
Neil Quigley is not independent as the chair because he
is with Wyecutter University. He wants you to give him
a medical school. Christian Hawksby is not independent is the
acting Governor because he wants the job full time, so
he's going to do what Both of them have interests

(01:10:21):
in doing what you want. There's the perception problem, isn't there.

Speaker 23 (01:10:25):
Well, I just reject that completely, and I think it
impugnes the integrity of both of those people. Well, does
it not lead you they would take their roles more seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
But does it not lead you to the point where
it has become obvious that neither of them can hold
those positions?

Speaker 7 (01:10:40):
Well?

Speaker 23 (01:10:40):
No, I continue to have confidence in the Reserve Bank,
both the Acting Governor and the Chair of the Reserve
Bank Board.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
But even outside of this, do they actually deserve those
positions because Neil Quigley was there while Adrian All was
there and that thing was just a complete hot mess.
And so is Christian Hawksby. Right, so they are all
part of the same cabal. Don't you need to properly now?

Speaker 23 (01:11:01):
Well, I'm very pleased that we've started by getting the
funding situation under control and stopping this business of massive
increases and how much the Reserve Bank ha spen there? Yeah,
I think that will go a significant way to changing culture.
I've also refreshed some of the membership of both the
Monetary Policy Committee and the Board, and I have further
opportunities to do more of that in the next few months.

(01:11:24):
All of those things are relevant, and I share your
concerns about some of the decisions that the Reserve Bank
made when it was in coheres with Grant Robertson. Frankly,
they printed too much money. Yes, and I have said
previously that I do think is a country we need
to review some of that decision these and there at.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
The same time, Nichola, can they continue to hold their
jobs if they were part of that administration?

Speaker 23 (01:11:47):
Well, look, I'm satisfied that the Reserve Bank Board recommended
to me that Christian Hawksby was the best person for
that temporary role while they search for a permanent governor,
and he meets all of the criterion.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Okay, now listen, have you caught up on the fact
that you guys are still doing co governance? You aware
of this?

Speaker 23 (01:12:06):
Well, I don't think that's quite fair. I think you're
referring to the situation in the way taktsw Yukland Council
is currently consulting on a proposed interpretation of a deed.
And look, that's out for consultation. People will have their
say none of it, as I understand, it would override
existing governance.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
What have I got wrong? Statutory What have I got wrong?
Calling this co governance?

Speaker 23 (01:12:30):
Well, as I understand it, the proposal being consulted on
is not final. First second, I understand it's not intended
to override the existing governance structures or the statutory powers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
What government structures and strateutory powers are you talking about?

Speaker 23 (01:12:47):
Well, I'm talking about the fact that the Council is
still the democratically elected council, that the Crown is still
the democratically elected crown. Well, so that will ensure that
the positions of the Crown and the Council continue to
be represented effectively.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Whooped to do? It's co governance. It's a committee that
makes decisions. Fifty percent of it is tongue as if
you know a fifty percent is Crown and Council. That
is co governance.

Speaker 23 (01:13:12):
Well, look to anyone listening, it's out for consultation right now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
So why are you doing When you guys are elected,
you came out against three waters. You came out against
the new Roma and it was implicit in that that
you guys were going to stop the co governors. So
why is the same stuff happening under you guys?

Speaker 23 (01:13:28):
Well, this relates to an Act of Parliament from two
thousand and eight which already sets up a deed and
Auckland Council are currently consulting on how they want to
give effect to that deed. No decisions have been made.
People should have their say.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Are you cool with this?

Speaker 23 (01:13:46):
Well, to be honest, heither. The first I heard of
it was about half an hour ago when my press
team said, either wants to ask you about this, so
I will be seeking to get more information about it
what they In.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
That case, I feel slightly bad coming its hearted you
as I have, but can you go away, have a
look at it, take some advice, come back to me
and let me know if your government is chill about this,
because it would be a huge disappointment to me if
you were. But while we're on the subject of things
that we are discovering now, it seems to me that
what you've given Winston is a picture of a train.

(01:14:21):
Is that what's happened?

Speaker 23 (01:14:23):
As I said, look, I respect Winston's desire for privacy.
When I gave he told me that birthday, Oh he
told you. Okay, yeah, Well then that's absolutely fine if
he's revealed that information. Then I gave him a vintage
poster from the railways from the seventies, and it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
From his heyday. So the thing is, do you realize
he hasn't even looked at it yet.

Speaker 23 (01:14:47):
Well, he looked at it with me in front of him,
but I don't think it's on display or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
No, I don't think it's soaked in because he said
to me, oh, I was really busy and I was
going to go out the door, and I haven't actually
looked at it. So you might have to get him,
might have to get him back there and looking at again.

Speaker 20 (01:15:01):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 23 (01:15:02):
Anyway, Well, I'm glad that he's got more important things
to do than look at train posters. Hey, you can
bet with the world as it is right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Listen on Winston, though, are you guys going to support
this definition of a woman that he's putting into a
member's bill.

Speaker 23 (01:15:14):
Well, look, we haven't taken that bill to caucus yet.
Our practices that we decide our positions on bills as
a team when bills are pulled from the ballot. For
my part, what is a woman? Well, a woman is
an adult human female. That's pretty clear to me. You'll
be to live and let live person. So how people
then choose to self identify, that's over to them. But

(01:15:38):
the law often needs to be a bit more black
and white than that, so it'll be just a matter
of how does this actually apply to the law?

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
What im pat have Nichola, thank you for your time.
As always, we'll talk next week about co governance. That's
Nicola Willis, Finance Minister, seventeen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Heather, could you tell us where to go and find
the information about this co governance and where we can
have our say. Look, I it's one of those things
where it's like a proposal put out by Auckland Council.
So good luck trying to google that. You're going to
be googling til Kingdom come if you type into the
Google search engine. Why targeting ranges democracy action. It will
bring up a hit for you.

Speaker 22 (01:16:26):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
I don't know what democracy action is, and I'm not
endorsing it. I am simply telling you I don't know
what it is. I just want to say because people
get very prickly about these weird things. So I'm just
telling you where to go and find the information. You
can go read it. It's got references. It will tell
you everything that you need to know. We are going
to talk to Niicola Willis about it next week, once
he's actually gone and found out what the hell is
going on here? Here the read the why target is
in limited access. I don't care if the limited access

(01:16:47):
is by some greedy landowner or by a foreigner, or
by Mary, or by the government, et cetera, et cetera.
But to take away thirty five percent of access is
a big deal and this needs to be blown up.
I would agree with that entirely. It's twenty past six
and with us right now fulling in for Jamie dun
Jamie McKay on the country is Rowenda Duncan, Hey, row Hey, Heather.

Speaker 24 (01:17:05):
I've got a question for you. When do you change
the batteries in your smoke ypes?

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
No, did it go off in the night?

Speaker 8 (01:17:11):
Did it?

Speaker 24 (01:17:12):
It did three fourteen this morning in Jamie's house. In
Jamie's house, I think he stitched me up. He said,
look after the show, don't be too good, and I
think he was a bit worried, says my smoke alarm
to god.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Did you have a look?

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Right, here's the thing. Did you have a look whether
it's one of those ones you changed the batteries in,
or whether it's one of those ones with a permanent
ten year battery.

Speaker 24 (01:17:30):
It's a nine vault. It should have been changed at
daylight saving, which has just happened.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Classic. Do you know what if his house burns down,
none of us are going to feel sorry about it?

Speaker 8 (01:17:39):
Eh?

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Did you change the battery for him?

Speaker 25 (01:17:42):
Bro?

Speaker 24 (01:17:42):
I will do that tonight. I'm about to walk to
the supermarket after I talk to you, because that's what
I do. Here about I get things done.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
You keep that receipt and get a reimbursement. Now, what's
going on with the chicken exports?

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:17:53):
So obviously last December we had our first case of
pathogenic avian influenza and Otago egg farm, thousands of chicken
were held. It was all really, really devastating. Thankfully the
outbreak was contained to one farm, and MPI have updated
us and said, you know, obviously when something like this happens,
you put a bit of a halt on exports, you

(01:18:13):
lose market access. But about around three hundred million dollars,
which is about seventy five percent of trade and poultry
products has been recovered and a spokesperson, Fatigel, who's one
of the major exporters, is several international markets and post
temporary restrictions, they've been working closely with MPI but they
are helping them regain access to those markets and now

(01:18:35):
it's only a couple that they still have access problems
being worked through. So a really good outcome for that,
because obviously the moment you have an issue in other
country is like, hey, we can feel that we've got
chickens to spare. Give us that access, and sometimes it
is really really hard to regain it. So well done
to everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Now, what's happened on the farms over the weekend. Oh,
it's just awful as well.

Speaker 24 (01:18:58):
You know, we had two fatalities involving vehicles over the
weekend and I was chatting to the chair of Safer
Farms today Lindy Nelson, who explained that every farm deaf,
every tragedy, at least two hundred people are immediately affected,
and looking at it from a wider perspective, at least
three thousand people are involved. She said, there's multiple ways

(01:19:19):
of addressing this. Over the years, there's been different campaigns
Farm without Harm. That's one of the latest strategies to
come out a couple of years ago. That's about coming
together collectively as farmers and the industry and recognizing that
we need to improve how we address farm safety. They've
got she had resources on their website, genuine stories from farmers,
what's worked for them, what hasn't. You know, where they've

(01:19:42):
gone wrong, and what they've done to improve so that
we can learn from the good and the bad examples.
But look, it's just it's absolutely devastating. No one goes
to work intending to get injured.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
We all want to come home.

Speaker 24 (01:19:55):
Safe at night. And she said, it's about assessing the resk,
looking at what's changed. We've had weather events over the weekend.
Sometimes when you go to work there's a new risk
because it rained and it wasn't there yesterday. So it's
about thinking and changing how you think. And the one
thing that stuck out for me either as she said,
you know, talking about safety, it can make us feel uncomfortable,
but it's less uncomfortable than going to someone's funeral, and

(01:20:18):
that really sums it up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
That's true. Right, Hey, Roe, good luck with the smoke
alarm this evening. That's Rowena Duncan filling in on the
country for Jamie Mackay six twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Four, croaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Twenty seven pass six. Listen, here's a little heads up, okay,
so I asked, I asked Roe what kind of smoke
alarm Jamie was rolling in his house because I didn't
know this, and this is going to be helpful to you.
If you have those smoke alarms that's supposed to last
ten years, right. We had a run of them recently
where they were going off and they freaked the three
year old out so badly that he was struggling to
go to slip because they were going off all over

(01:21:01):
like it was bizarre. We had about four of them
going off in one month anyway. Somebody then told me,
so we had to go through this process of teaching him,
taking the smoke alung and outside with a hammer and
letting him smash it so that he could learn that
he had control over the smoke alarm and the smoke
alarm wasn't going to hurt him, and blah blah blah.
It was just a waste of a lot of money
in a kerfuffle. And then after the fact, somebody says
to me, oh, you know you've got to vacuum them.

(01:21:23):
Did you know you have to vacuum them. You have
to vacuum them. So when they're up there, you've got
to get your little vacum up and you've got to
get you to extended as long as again, otherwise the
dust gets in there and the ten year smoke thing
goes off all the time, and all of a sudden,
they are all going off at exactly the same time.
So you are welcome. Hopefully that will get things sorted
out for you. Speaking of boomers on the phone, eh,

(01:21:46):
speaking of boomers on the phone, if we haven't got
the classic cake like the old The king of the
Boomers is Wayne Brown, who has today been fined one
hundred and fifty dollars for doing the video call while
he was driving. Did you see this was one of
my favorite things that happened when I was on maternity leave.
Wayne Brown calls into a council meeting, not just any

(01:22:07):
council meeting, the Transport Committee council meeting and then proceeds
to talk to a room of people on his video
call while driving, which everybody knows is against the rules,
but he does it anyway because he's a boomer, and
boomers do not think that the rules apply when they
have their cellphones there anyway. So he's cop to fine
one hundred and fifty bucks plus twenty demerit points. So

(01:22:27):
it's all been sorted out and he won't be doing
that anytime soon again. But watch out for a boomer
near you. One of them is going to pull that trick.
It's coming up to the headlines news talks.

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Speaker 8 (01:23:00):
While I did.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Californ k hey d Brading is going to be with
us out of the UK in about ten minutes time.
The UK has revealed what Kiirstarma is going to be
talking with our Prime minister about. Apparently the Starma is
going to announce a deal worth thirty million pounds, which
is I think I think we did add about sixty
seven million New Zealand dollars, so fair chunk of change
for drones produced by CEOs Airspace, Sios Airspace something. Anyway,

(01:23:26):
it's a New Zealand company with a factory factory in Hampshire,
and so the UK government's going to be spending a
fair amount of money buying drones from one of our companies. Also,
Kiirstarmer and Christopher Luxen will instruct their defense ministers to
begin work on a new defense partnership between the UK
and New Zealand. So just a little bit of this
kind of stuff being announced at the moment. Twenty three

(01:23:47):
away from seven now got some positive trade news. Stat's
New Zealand data show that goods exports rose nineteen percent
to seven point six billion dollars in March. That's compared
to the same time a year ago. The monthly trade
balance is a surper of nine hundred and seventy million dollars,
which came higher than expected, and Inframetrics principal economist Nick
Brunsden is with us.

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
Hey, Nick, good here you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
I'm very well thank you know. What's driven it higher
than we expected.

Speaker 26 (01:24:13):
A range of things in terms of on the product size.
Dairy prices are a lot better, so you know, a
basic boost, and dairy price is acount for about half
of that. But prices are good across all sorts of
things that we export. Chemi fruit prices are pretty good.
Beef prices are holding up. High land recovering, so that's
already helped.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Is there any indication that we are managing to diverse
by our trade a little bit away from China, which
is what we've been trying to do for a while.

Speaker 8 (01:24:38):
There is a little bit, yep.

Speaker 26 (01:24:39):
So about half of our trade goes to the Big
three China, Australia and the US. Over the past year
we had a more than twenty percent increase to some
of our key partners, so the Netherlands, UK, Indonesia and Canada.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
So that's really good.

Speaker 26 (01:24:54):
But I think they've moved the dial from sort of
fifty percent to fifty two percent.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
So good stuff.

Speaker 26 (01:24:59):
But you know we're going to he a lot more
of that diversification in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Yeah, it's fair point how the Trump tariff's going to
change what we're seeing here.

Speaker 26 (01:25:08):
Directly for US.

Speaker 8 (01:25:09):
I mean it's a hit.

Speaker 26 (01:25:10):
Yeah, I think it's something like nine hundred million dollars
for New Zealand. The bigger hit will come sort of
indirectly through our trading partners. And obviously China is the
largest importer of our goods and they're looking at one
hundred and twenty five percent or depending on what day
of the week, it is a pretty big terror from
the US. So ultimately, if those tariffs make China poorer,
they won't be buying our great stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Nick, Look, the thing is, I mean, we're obviously going
to look at this and say, Yay, things are finally
on the up and and everything is looking good. But
the fact is March is always a little bit better
as a month for US as a country. So should
we be should we be seeing this as the start
of a trend with just a monthly March blip, so
that even on.

Speaker 26 (01:25:46):
An annual basis, the numbers are pretty good. So we
had a seven percent increase in the year to March
over the whole year, so that's good. But yeah, the
bigger picture is that global uncertainty that we're seeing around
around tariffs around and sort of that knock on too,
and we think they will sort of push out in
New Zealand's recovery by a couple of years. It's just
it's not the kind of environment where anyone really wants

(01:26:07):
to invest. Everyone's kind of just sitting on the sidelines,
and that's going to push Dow and gross brilliant stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Hey, Nick, thank you very much, really appreciate it. Nick
Brunsdon infametrics principal economists. See, whoa, I'm not trying to
start a generational war here, boomers. So I'm getting to
like Peter's coming hot. At least boomers know how to
hold conversations, which is fair point. And we can spell
this fair point, and we don't use American English, and
that's a fair point as well. I love the boomers.

(01:26:33):
My mum's a boomer. She's a fantastic woman, by the way.
And then he goes on to list all these awesome
boomers like Steve jobs, tim Berner's Bill Gates blah blah blah,
Bernersley by the way, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
What has gen X added to the world? They were
labeled gen X because they were boring?

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Is that true?

Speaker 7 (01:26:49):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
And also I'm not gen X, so I'm not going
to come to their defense because they actually are quite boring.
Let's be honest about it. I'm not trying to start
a generational war here. I love me every single piece
of every single general that's going on. We all need
each other to survive. I'm just pointing out. Look, we've
all got foibles. Heaven, we like millennials like myself, wildly selfish,

(01:27:10):
wildly selfish. I mean, we're obviously running the show at
the moment, so you know, be careful, be kind to
the millennials. But we've all got things. Those are the
ones what are they called? The ones that are born
at the moment, And it's the ones who are just
like that one Sam behind you. What's e It's like
an alpha ELSA.

Speaker 11 (01:27:27):
Sorry, Heather, I've just got a bit of chatting studio
go again.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Yeah, what what what generation is saying?

Speaker 27 (01:27:32):
It goes gen X, and then we were Gen Y,
and then we're millennials again, so we've lost that one,
and then it's Gen Z and then the next one's
Gen Alpha, so Resum will be gen Bravo after that.

Speaker 8 (01:27:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
So the alphas, I think are the ones that's starting at.

Speaker 11 (01:27:41):
The they're annoying. Are the ones who say skibbitty and
they're all over tacked.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
After us, so annoying and like getting them to turn
up to like they don't even want to work right.
All of the generations have irritating problems. All I'm saying
to the boomers is you're so close to perfection. If
you could just get a handle on your phone use,
it would make a really big difference to us, just
not thinking you're not being annoyed by it because it's

(01:28:04):
the only thing you're doing right.

Speaker 11 (01:28:05):
And this is what I'm going to say to the Burmers.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Okay, Boomer, yeah, there's right. Everything else you're perfect, your perf.
I love your attitude about coal. You like burn the coal,
turn the lights.

Speaker 25 (01:28:14):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
I love everything that you do. But I just just
got to stop talking of the phones on speaker in public. Now,
Margie Upper, Now what did I say to you last year,
when I was on the show before I had the baby,
I said, Margie Upp is going to be out of
a job very soon, isn't she? Isn't she? And guess
what happened? Margie Upper is out of a job, didn't she?
So she finished in February. But do you want the

(01:28:35):
latest on Margie Upper news. Margie's still getting paid, isn't she?
So she's not working stopped in February. She's on a
very pretty penny. She's on eight hundred and ninety five
thousand dollars a year at least, because that was the
last time we saw how much she was getting paid.
It might have gone up by them because of inflation,
and Margie's awesome performance would have obviously got her a
pay rise. But she's still getting paid all the way

(01:28:55):
through to June because that's when her contract contract ends. Well,
what's the point in that If we have to pay
Margie to June because her contract ends in June. Work
the woman till June, do you know what I mean?
Even if you just get her answering the phones, just
get her tottering around like we're short staff at a
health New Zealand. We could have found a job for Margie.
She could have just been in orderly. We could have said, Margie,

(01:29:16):
put on some gloves, go into the hospital, or just
help them move the bodies, like just help them to
push people, you know, like push people around or do something.
Clear the bed pans Margie, you're a nine hundred thousand
dollars a year. You're going to be doing something for you. No,
We're like, you can go home, don't worry, We'll keep
paying you. And also, I'm paying for a governance course

(01:29:37):
for her. That's part of her golden handshake. We were like, oh, yeah,
you're gonna leave, so or pay for now. I'm a
little bit suspicious about this governance course because why would
you pay for Margie to do a governance course unless
Margie needs to be upskelled for her next job, which
is coming from the government. That better not be the case.
Or because if she's not good enough to help run
Health New Zealand, then I don't think we need Margie
anywhere else. But also, and this is not even the

(01:29:57):
end of it. There was no resignation letter. Now what
does that tell you? Madgie got secked seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
And it's really not that long.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Ago that King Charles saw the Pope for the last time,
was it?

Speaker 12 (01:30:28):
Yeah, less than two weeks So his words today even
more poignant because you know, we were initially told that
the King would not be visiting the Pope when he
was in Italy on that state visit a fortnight ago,
and then Charles reached out privately and the invitation came,
and the feeling amongst Vatican officials was that Francis was

(01:30:49):
well enough and up for it. And they met privately
and Charles brought him the gift and they spent some
time together, and obviously it was a very significant meeting
because you got the global head of the wrong Catholic
Church meeting the head of the Church of England, defender
of the faith as Charles now is, and they had
a wonderful time together and Charles just saying that he

(01:31:09):
learned the news yesterday with a heavy heart. So I
guess he looks back on that meeting two weeks ago
and probably just thinks, I'm really glad.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
I went, yeah, Hey, listen, I'm on this business with
the stand gans for the prisons. What are the chances
that these get issued?

Speaker 12 (01:31:25):
I would say in the short term slim, but in
the long term it probably will happen. This all has
come about as a result of an incident involving one
prisoner last week, very high profile guy. His brother was
the Manchester bomber who killed loads of young people at
that concert a few years back. This guy is called
Hashim a baby. He's in prison and he had boiling

(01:31:48):
oil which he threw on prison officers and then proceeded
to stab people with a knife that he had fashioned.
That of plastic disgusting behavior, and a lot of people
just asking the question, why isn't this guy in solitary confinement,
how as you got access to boiling oil. A lot
of very very angry and rightly so prison officers. So

(01:32:10):
the Prison Officers' Association has come out today and said
it immediately wants stun guns issued to all officers. As
it stands, in UK prisons. Right now you get an
extendable baton and synthetic pepper spray to defend yourself against
some of the most violent men in Europe.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Yeah, it's a fair argument that you just made. Now,
on this big Ukraine meeting in London tomorrow, what are
we expecting.

Speaker 12 (01:32:34):
Well, the hope is for something that will convince Putin
and Trump to push forward with a thirty day seasfire
plan that they can actually bring the fighting to a stop.
What Starmar is trying to do is to make Europe
look organized. So, following on from the meeting in Paris
last week, which we're told was very constructive, Zelenski will

(01:32:54):
be in town tomorrow. We know Starmer's with your Prime
Minister today and tomorrow as well, so we will have
the UK, Ukraine, France, the United States. Marco Rubio is
coming to town as well. So this is a big,
big day tomorrow for Ukraine and it's badly needed. I mean,
I've just got off a tube this morning in London
and every morning I share the same tube carriage with

(01:33:17):
the same young Ukrainian guys heading off to work on
building sites and what have you. I mean, you look
at the impact on people's lives. A ceasefire is badly, badly,
badly needed.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Yeah, Inda, thank you so much, appreciate it. May This
is the end of Brady our UK corresponding. So there's
this company in the US, right, it's called Steak and Shake.
It's been around for a while. It's been around for
about about ninety years or thereabouts. They have just announced
they're going to RFK their fries. Now, what this means
is that they are going to ditch the seed oil,

(01:33:49):
you know, like cooking oil, normal cooking oil. They're going
to ditch that now and they're going to start putting
their fries into beef tello. And the reason that this
has happened is because RFK, who's of course the US
Secretary of Health, it has been claiming that seed oils
are poisoning Americans and he's asked for alternatives to be
used in restaurant deep prize and so they've done it, right.
So this is this is the thing that he if you,

(01:34:11):
if you have been following what he's been saying. He
told Fox News this last year. He said, it's not
the fast food that Americans are eating that's making them unhealthy.
It's the oil.

Speaker 25 (01:34:20):
I don't have anything against food I have. I'm against
food that has seed oils. When I was a kid,
McDonald's was made with talifat. I was good for you
and your body needs that. It makes you hews these great.
Why aren't we making you with tallefat again?

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Okay? Now, I don't have any particular opinion on tallow fat.
I mean, I love me a little bit of animal fat,
like I eat. I ate all the fat on the steak,
and I will eat your fat on your steak as
well if you don't eat it, And I will everybody's
fat on their steak because it is the best bit
of the steak. So I'm going to problem with the
tallow fat, and I don't really have much of an

(01:34:57):
opinion on the seed oils. I might google it later.
I'm a little bit worried about what rabbit hole it's
going to take me down, But maybe if I've got
some time, you know, later on, I might do it.
But is it not bizarre to you? This has been
I've been thinking about this for a little while. Is
it weird to you that we take medical advice and
health advice from a guy who sounds like that now,
don't come at me with oh, don't be unkind to RFK.

(01:35:19):
I know the story, but he.

Speaker 8 (01:35:20):
Does sound like this.

Speaker 25 (01:35:21):
I don't have anything against food. I have I'm against
food that seat oils. When I was a kid, McDonald's
was made with talifat. I was good for him and
your body needs that. It makes you Hows why aren't
we making you with talifat again?

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
That's right. You know what you want to sound like that.
Do what he says. It's just what That's what I
would be thinking if I was listening. It's all I'm saying.
Nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
It's the heather Toople s Allan Drive full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by news dog Zebbi.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
By the way, yeah, no, it started. No, I shouldn't have.
I shouldn't have said anything about RFK because I know,
I know, I know that, I know that there are
people who love the RFK and I love love hitting
the rabbit holes. And now I'm getting all those texts
I've started that, emn't I So anyway, I was asking
for it. And by the way, I mentioned you on Thursday,
keep an eye out for news about make Lundy and
what happened. Like we were off How long were we

(01:36:16):
off air for? Was it forty five minutes? I don't
even know if I got home before the news came out.
Mac Lundy's out of jail, So Mark Lundy's out of jail.
He's he's been let out. As I told you at
the Toddy it what happened over the weekend got quite
the list of parole conditions, though. I feel like, I
don't know if you kept an eye on acause you're
probably having a good Easter Thursday and then you started
eating east eggs that you probably didn't pay any attention

(01:36:36):
to the news. He is banned from one over two
at ange Ti, K, Hastings or Nelson. He has a curfew.
It will be electronically monitored. He cannot possess alcohol or
drugs or use them. Can be tested at any time.
Can't contact victims or their families. Has to tell his
perrobation officer of any intimate related so it gets a
girlfriend or you know, just pays for it. Whatever. He

(01:36:58):
has to tell the just covering all the basis. He
has to tell us probation officer. Also has to tell
us probation officer if he finds any work not allowed
on social media, not allowed on dating sites, not allowed
on porn, has to tell them all of his passwords,
has to let them look at the phone if they
want to. I mean, like, geez, do you want to,

(01:37:20):
Like if somebody said to you over you out of jail,
but this is all of the conditions, wouldn't you be like, nah,
just stay here, so do the stuff in here? They
don't know Nace is not a proper and then they
let him out and he's not allowed any media interviews,
so we're not going to hear from him unfortunately. Anyway.
That's that. Ants. You got a text, big head up,
heads up to ANTS for telling us about Coachella being
streamed live. US boomers worked out how to do it

(01:37:42):
and had a great time. Gaga was awesome, Paris' choreography, Ants.

Speaker 11 (01:37:46):
Oh excellent. Yeah, I'm glad everyone enjoyed it. I'll tell
you what ituned in every year.

Speaker 12 (01:37:49):
It's free.

Speaker 27 (01:37:50):
It's really fun. They fill all the stages now, it's great.
This is not a Coacheller song, though this has lived
forever by Oasis because it has been voted the best
British song of all TIMEX did a did a big
promotion over in the UK and got all their listeners
to vote and apparently this is the best British song
of all times?

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Is it given to me?

Speaker 27 (01:38:10):
I mean the listeners are clearly excited for the Oasis
concert because at number three was slide Away, number five,
Champagne Souper and over and then Don't.

Speaker 11 (01:38:17):
Look Back in Anger at number eight. So that's four
of the top ten more all Oasis songs.

Speaker 8 (01:38:20):
But there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
It will be affected by that going on at the moment.
Oh my god, stop it stop the text. Have you
seen him doing pull ups at seventy one?

Speaker 22 (01:38:28):
Yes, I have.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
I mean the guy is ripped. Look, let's be honest.
From the nick down it is a bay but he
does sound like that. Just say just saying okay. It
just hit me with the music, so I don't have
to deal with.

Speaker 28 (01:38:39):
This text cinema and see them borrowsh.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
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