Full Show Podcast: 24 April 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I question, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust
for the full picture, Heather Duplicy, Drive with One New
Zealand let's get connected news talks. That'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today.
Hardly anyone is getting the government's big daycare money that
they promised in that budget promise, remember the finance and
to still talk us through that act on the fact
that the nats are still carrying on with race based
special treatment and doctors are apparently worried that cannabis clinics
are only offering their patients cannabis and nothing else. What
a surprise, Heather Duplicylan, Listen, I want to give a

(00:39):
shout out to the banks for these new rules that
they've set themselves on paying compo for scams, I mean
for scams. We give the banks a hard time in
this country, right and often in the media, more often
than not in the media. Frankly, we give the banks
a hard time. So I think it's worth pointing out
when they actually do the right thing, and in this
case they are doing the right thing. What they're basically
done is they've set up a bunch of obstacles for
themselves to make it harder for scammer is to get

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your money. And then they've set a new rule for
themselves as well, which is that if a scammer does
get your money and it turns out that the bank
hasn't done all of these things, then the bank has
got a cough up and pay the combo to you.
Now you've probably already noticed one of the things that
they've done, right, it's the confirmation of pay. Ye. So
what happens is that when you go to pay somebody
for the first time, never paid them before, go to

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pay them out of your account, you have to put
in their account number, and then you have to put
in their name, and then the bank tells you if
there is a match between the two, if the person
that you think you're sending the money to is the
person you're sending the money to. Now, set aside completely
the scam busting aspect of that. That's just great on
the daily, isn't it. Because I don't know about you,
but it's given me a whole bunch of confidence every
time I've used it that I've actually put in that

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ridiculously long account number properly. So it's not just so
it's obviously just a good thing for the banks to do,
but also is obviously going to help in stopping the scams.
And the thing about this is that it's going to
make it a lot more cut and dry as to
who wears the blade when the scamers get ahold of
the money, right, because we have spent too long now

(02:04):
debating whether it's the fault of the old biddy and
too a cow or it's the bank who should lose
the money? Should the bank pay the combush of the
old old lady where the market We can end that debate. Now,
if you still get scammed despite all of these things
being in place, because you force that transaction through knowing
that the account number doesn't match the name, then it's
on you. Now. Obviously banks should have done this ages ago.

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It shouldn't have taken a whole bunch of public pressure
for them to do it. But they've done it and
it should help, And for that I think that the
banks deserve a bit of praise. Ever do for cellen
nWo is the text number and standard techs fees apply
now from one set of good news to a whole
bunch of more good news. The Mill Road upgrade in
South Auckland as one step closer to actually happening. What's
happened here is that the NZTA Board has approved about

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ninety one million dollars and that money's going to be
used to complete the design and then secure consents for
stage one of the upgrade. Now, this road is the
one that one of the ones that Grant Robertson famously
promised and then famously cut. Chris Bush is currently the
Minister of Transport. Bush. Hello, Hello, So you guys going
to toll this?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Are you? We will told it.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Look, all of the new roads of national significance we
want to build around the country, we've said as a
starting point, they will be told. And that's because it's
a way of bringing forward the investment and allowing the
users who use the road to help pay for the
cost of the road.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean I can see that that makes complete sense
if you're actually building a new road. But you're not
building a new road here, right, You're just upgrading an
existing road. Do you think you're going to get the
backs up of people who currently use this road?

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Mill Road will be a largely four lane offline new
road once it's built in its entirety, it will be
a twenty one and a half kilometer new road from
Menecau to Drury and the existing Mill Road will become
a local road administered by the Auckland Council, So you
know Mel Road at the moment. Anyway, who's betting the
all know we're going to have two road?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Well?

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Yeah, I mean yes, when we people talk about the
Mill Road road, it is essentially a new four lane
offline highway connecting Manacau and Drury in its entirety. That
the first stage that the Board has approved the investment
case for is about six and a half seven kilometers
and that's what they're getting on with now. And then
obviously stages two and three are a bit further away,

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and there's a whole bunch of design work and consenting
and designations to go through around that.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, we've been talking about this now for a fair bit.
When are you guys actually going to start?

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Hoping to start construction mid to late twenty twenty six.
Stage one has had designations in place since I think
it goes all way back to twenty nine teen, actually
even twenty sixteen, so it's been talked about for a
long time. A lot of work's been done on stage one,
but the designations in place. They'll get on with consenting,
you know, later in this year, and then it will
almost certainly years the fast track approvals at regime for

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the consenting and then hoping to start construction late next year.
We're getting on with the detailed consenting and design work
right now. So it's good progress. You know, we're not
there yet, you know, these things go on stages, but
it's good.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Progres thrilled.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Now listen, have you caught up on this High court
decision re yourselves in movement?

Speaker 5 (05:07):
What the judicial review of the speed limit changes?

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, so these guys are the ones who tried to
stop you guys from lifting the speed limits back up.
They took it to the High Court and they've just
been basically had the thing tossed out, haven't they.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yeah, so they took an interim well they applied for
an interim ruling to essentially try and stop us, and
that they are understanding is they lost in the High Court,
but there's a full hearing later in the year.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
I think, yeah, oh okay, well, what does this initial
hearing then mean?

Speaker 5 (05:35):
It means that the speed limit changes are going here
I see.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Sorry, So there is the substantive hearing later in the year,
but in the meantime they were trying to stop you,
and now they've basically you can't stop you, so you're
just going to go full speed ahead. Well you just
got to get a whole bunch done before the next hearing.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Right Well, yeah, I mean they sought what's called on
and as I understand it, they thought what's called an
interim injunction, which would essentially have been a stay on
us going ahead with the speed limit changes, and the
councils too, by the way, because it's both state highways
and the council controlled roads as well, and there's a
there's a substantive hearing later in the year, and you
know the playouts that don't want to comment on that,
but you know, obviously they lost in the interim hearing.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I mean, you must be feeling pretty stoked that they lost,
right this, This this obviously sets the scene for you
to just win the next one.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
I would have thought, well, look, our position is that
we you know, it was actually some men brown who
did it, but it's a government move. You know, we
changed the setting of speed limit rule, which is one
of these technical rules that you know applies to both
Entitia in terms of state highways and also councilors as
road controlling authorities. We went through a very proper process

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to change it. There was consultation, there was a proper
process through the cabinet process, and yeah, when we stand
by what we did, and we stand by the decisions
to reverse Labour's blankets speed limit reductions. And you know,
it's going down really well around the country. You know,
you just think about that section of State Highway too
over in the wire Wrapper, you know, Featherston to Carleton
to Masters and it went down to eight. It is

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basically flat road. You know, that's gone back up to
one hundred and the whole bunch around the country that
have gone back up. And you know, I don't think
it's been very popular.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
Brilliant.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Hey listen, Bitsh, thanks very much for talking to us. I appreciated.
There's Chris Bishop, the Minister of Transport. I am thrilled about.
I am obsessed with mel road, obsessed with it. I
can't wait for it because there's nothing that rips my
es more than having to sit in that traffic going
south of Auckland. You know, what I'm saying the ressa
country doesn't know. I'm sorry that you have to listen
to this nonsense like an aucklander winging about the traffic.

(07:29):
What's new, hey, China our love? This is giving Trump
grief for the fact that it looks like he's going
to bail on the tariffs that he threatened, because yeah,
how Trump is He's all like, ah, I'm the master
of cutting a deal. I'm going to slap you with it.
Actually now I'm not going to, and it didn't look
like I'm gonna. What is trending at the moment on
Chinese social media is the phrase Trump chickened out? How

(07:51):
good is that? Quarter past?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's the Heather d Pussy Alan Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio, Powar News Talks.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Seventeen past five, Dust Water Grave Sports. I'm fine, thank you?

Speaker 6 (08:07):
How are you good? God?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Now, why why are you coming in so hot? Because
you're excited about this weekend? Aren't you like you were
about last wee year?

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yes, yes, I work Saturday, so it's not really a
long weekend, but I have a long weekend by default anyway,
because I finished work at nine o'clock on Saturday morning.
Come back at midday on Tuesday, so this is a Friday.
Is an addition, whether we kind of pause to do
some money and then back into the fray of doing nothing.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yes, isn't it lovely?

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Just on last weekend?

Speaker 7 (08:36):
I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
What do you make of this cricket idea?

Speaker 4 (08:39):
They have to more than anything, They have to. I
think if you stand still and you watch the cricketing
world develop, and it is developing in a rush, in
a hurri The big money of TEA twenty franchise cricket
is swamping everything and change is a foot. It's a
foot for bilateral series, for its national T twenties, for

(08:59):
Test series. Everything is changing.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
How does this US based T twenty comp work? Are
we going to have a team called New Zealand?

Speaker 4 (09:07):
No, No, to be a part share in a franchise team.
It's is set up by a crew who set up
the Major League Cricket who also own a team over
there as well. So basically for a seven figure sum,
New Zealand Cricket are helping establish this team. They are
providing three assistant coaches and a head coach and some
players and a bit of intel around the game of cricket,

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so they'll cast that check. They're also getting some they
call it sweat equity if they are going to buy
into the game too. So if it starts making a
whole lot of money.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Teams, I mean, are they going to be geographically based
within the US? Are they going to be like the
Seattle team.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Well, there's six teams already. It's already been running for
a year and a half, a year and a bit,
so there's six teams already, and the owners and they'll
will filter players either black Caps at that higher level
or maybe some of our upcoming domestic players. They'll filter
them through that system. So therefore, a they get more money,

(10:06):
so it stops and running away so many times to
other big franchise leagues. And look, it helps them out
because they've they've got an option maybe for another team
in twenty thirty one if.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
It works with What if one of our black Caps
decides that what he wants to play in the in
the T twenty in the US, but for a competing team,
I suppose he can.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
I think he's hell On Cricket have been very very
malleable when it comes to.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
What they let the players to be cutting our lunch
potentially because we own the opposite opposition team, but.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
We create And this is why this group was interested
in involving or engaging with New Zealand cricketers because we've
got this nasty habit with a tiny population to produce
some crash hot criculus. Yeah really have. And also there's
a chance that maybe they might enter the big Bash.
Our super Smash has been very good as far as
developing in pathways, but maybe look towards working with the

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Australians too. It's changing so fast. They've got to sit
there and not sit there. They've got to do something.
They've got to be involved and look, Scott Weenning said,
we looked at our five year plan a year ago
and when oh, we're running out of money. So they
started thinking what can we do? And I think that
Scott Wenning has been really good for New Zealand cricket.
They're not afraid of looking at ideas. They're not afraid

(11:19):
of juggling a few things and going well, what's actually
going to work? Because as I said before, you sit
there on the sidelines and watch it go past you.
Suddenly the games in the distance and you'll still sit
in there going what happened does?

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I haven't got a huge amount of time because I
really have to get to some other stuff, but just
tell me really quickly about chiefie.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Giancarlo Italiano has been signed for another year with an
option for a second year after having a horrible year
this season great before that awful year. I'd like to
call it the Rob Penny contract because he had that
right and now he's back and look what he's doing.
So let's hope that mister Italiano chief he can actually

(11:58):
work his magic season and not the second fiddle to
the Aucklands.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Love it given a chance. Hey, thank you very much
for a long weekend, you too, mate, really appreciate it always.
Darcy water Grave sports talk host for twenty.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Two getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Heather Duplicy
Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
That'd be either if something is trending on social media
in China, it's because the CCP wants that narrative to
be front and center. There's nothing organic. That's a fair point.
That is an absolutely fair point to make. So Trump
chickened out is is not the Chinese one. That's pretty
good delay because he did chicken out though didn't he
egg on his face? Egg on his face? Anyway. Peter Lewis,

(12:44):
our Asia Business correspondent, will be with us after six
to just talk us through the implications of this. Right now,
it's twenty five past four. Now, look, I'm very sorry
to tell you that, unfortunately we've got another example of
race based nonsense coming out of the sky. When we
all thought that the election of this government would mean
that the old race based nonsense would stop. So the

(13:05):
latest example has been unearthed by the ACT Party. I know.
I mean, when the ACT Party has to squeal on
its own coalition partners is not a good day. So
what's going on is that ACC. The story is about ACC.
So ACC is investing in trying to stop injuries, specifically
in the manufacturing sector, and so it's put all this
money into it and it's set a target. It says
we've got to stop five hundred claims in the next

(13:29):
ten years, right, But could have left it at that,
and it's been like, we're going to say five hundred
claims in the next ten years, but then they had
to be like at least eighteen percent has to be
from Maori workers and eleven percent from the Pacific workers.
And that's the kind of thing we thought was not
going to be happening. Am I right? Because what happened
last year? Did David Seymour Nikola Willis not send out

(13:51):
a directive to all the public sector guys? So this
this nonsense has got to stop. So right we are
So at this point you're going, oh, but you know
it's a public sector work of gone rogue. No it's
not ACC. So ACC is doing it. So ACT came
across it. ACT then wrote to the minister responsible for ACC,
this being Scott Simpson, and said to him, hey, remember

(14:13):
we sent out this directive. Can you please tell your
guys in ACC to cut it out? And what did
Scott Simpson say? No, he's very happy with it. So
I will remind you Scott Simpson is a National Party minister.
No I kind of even tell you how annoyed I
am at a at National about this. Anyway, we're gonna

(14:35):
have a chat to act about it. Acts. There's obvious
tensions within the coalition about this. We have a chat
to act about it. They're going to be with us
ten past five very quickly. Oh no, this is it
isn't it? It is very much stouth girl. Lord Lord
has dropped her new single what was that? At four
o'clock this afternoon, and all of the Lordies whatever they

(14:58):
call the fangirls, they are going absolutely no so for it,
already downloading it, looking at the videos, cycling around New
York City, walking around New York City and stuff. So
here you are you hearing it's hot off the press
twenty seven minutes after its release, Lord, what was that?

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Enjoyed putting the challenging questions to the people at the

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heart of the story, It's hither, duplessy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
That'd be well.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
It says that I'm not the only person who's upset
about that business of the race based policies. Hither I've
been a that voter for fifty odd years, not anymore. Anyway,
We'll talk to the act Party about it. They'll be
with us. As I say, after five, another thing that's
not gone. It's not a good day for the Nats today. Actually,
so do you remember how National promised us that tax
cut at the election? Remember that it was like a

(16:12):
tax It worked out at a tax package. There was
really made up of a whole bunch of different kind
of little income things, right, little rebates and so on.
And part of it was the family boost rebate for
early childhood costs, right, and it was seventy five bucks
a week. And they estimated that twenty one thousand families
were going to get this money. Numbers have just come out.

(16:33):
It's actually not even two hundred and fifty families. I mean,
that is really not flattering. That is a wildly different
number and far far fewer than we had expected. Now,
one of two things has happened here. Either someone cannot
do numbers, or someone can do numbers and knew that
they were vastly overestimating how many people would get this
money and wanted it to look more generous than it

(16:53):
actually was in order to win the election. Either of
those things have happened. I don't know which. Nikola Willis
will answer when she's with us after five o'clock. Also,
Thomas Coglin out of the press gallery runners through it
very shortly right now, twenty three away from five.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
It's the world wires on news talks.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
It'd be drive so Ukrainian President Zelenski has indicated Ukraine
will not accept America's proposed peace deal. According to leaks,
the deal would involve Ukraine's seed in Crimea and all
the land that's currently under Russian control. Here's President Zelensky.

Speaker 8 (17:23):
Ukraine does not legally recognize the occupation of Crimea.

Speaker 7 (17:27):
There's nothing to talk about.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
This is beyond our constitution.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
It's our territory or us by President. Vice President Jadi
Vance just wants a deal done.

Speaker 7 (17:36):
We've issued a very explicit proposal to both the Russians
and the Ukrainians, and it's time for them to either
say yes or for the United States to walk away
from this process.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Over in Australia, there's just a week to go until
election day, so both the main party leaders have been
out campaigning. Peter Dutton's been in Tasmania. He says if
he's elected Prime Minister, he's going to spend ninety six
million dollars it's New Zealand dollars on preventing domestic violence.

Speaker 9 (18:00):
And what's in our country's best interest for families and
for communities is to change the government, to get rid
of a bad government and to install a new Coloris government.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
And Albow has done a leader's breakfast hosted by the
West Australian newspaper in Perth.

Speaker 10 (18:14):
There is a real opportunity for us to make more
things here, and there's the two states that have the
best opportunities to do benefit from that.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Wa and coinsand.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
And finally, a half marathon in Beijing has allowed robots
to compete alongside humans for the first time. The twenty
robot competitors were kept separate from the human competitors, but
they ran the same course and the fastest robot finished
the half marathon in two hours and forty minutes, So
not much chance of any robots winning any Olympic medals just.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Years international correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
But for the average human it was still six minutes
faster than what I did a half marathon, and Mariold's
Australia across corresponding with me, now Hammers.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
Good mate, how are you going?

Speaker 2 (19:04):
I'm very well? Actually no, two minutes, hold on, two
hours forties really slow, isn't it? Oh No, I didn't
one forty six? Now I beat the robots, do you go?

Speaker 6 (19:13):
I mean, look a marathon. The marathon world records just
over two hours, and you know a good runner will
do a half marathon in half that time, so it's
a bit slow.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, So how fast is your fastest half marathon?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Right, Now, you don't waste no just jacking. Don't waste
your time with nonsense like that. That's a young person's
game and we're both too old for it. Now this
chap David Spear is, what's he got for the coke
US well?

Speaker 6 (19:38):
Nine thousand dollars fine and almost forty hours of community work,
which is kind of a bit weird, but there we are.
He was sentenced for supplying cocaine to two young fellows.
Gave them drugs at is home twice last year. Now,
the court was previously told Spears used cocaine. I mean,
he's the ext liberal leader of South Australia. He was
the opposition leader up against Peter Melanowskis, who was one

(19:59):
of the most popular political leaders in the entire country
of Australia. No wonder he turned to the oblivion marching
powder to keep himself up. He was using coke to
help him cope with the stress of political life. But
he was caught on camera snorting a white substance, and
he quit his Liberal leader at the end of twenty
twenty two, so his fall from grace complete.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Now with the sentencing ls, what's happened here in Ellis
Springs with the shopkeeper.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
It's up and Darwin. Actually and the young fellow was
actually he came from Alice Springs. I put aunt crook there.
I gave him the wrong steer. This happened in Darwin
yesterday afternoon. A seventy one year old grosser, very well
known figure, married for over fifty years, the same woman,
big family man. He stabbed to death. This young man

(20:48):
was in the shop. He's gone. The shopkeeper's gone up
to and said, listen, put that stuff back on the shelves.
I've seen you stuffing the things into your jacket and
your bag. The young guys pulled out a knife and
stabbed him to death. Now it's emerged the team was
out on bail on very serious sex assault charges. He
should not have been anywhere near Alice Springs either. He'd

(21:09):
been ordered to stay in a remote community. But he's
made the way his way to Darwin, out on bail,
and he stabbed this fellow to death. That's the allegation anyway,
and he'll be in court. I think he's in court today.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, it's rough and so I see that. I mean,
right now Sky is holding a press conference, is broadcasting
a press conference with the Northern Territory Parliament apparently looking
like they're going to strengthen the bail laws as a result.

Speaker 11 (21:30):
Yeah, you go.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
Well, look, it's a heck of a problem. The solution
it's not an easy one. And when where the heck
do you go? It really is a massive problem with
young teenage and the main teenage crime. I mean either
that are very young adults. You know what I mean.
It's just a big, big problem, easy answer.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
What happened also with his white supremacist and the punching
here he.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
Got his come up and from a woman. I haven't
got an age on it, but she looks to be
at least in the seventies and possibly in a eighty.
She looks about fifty kilograms in weight and about four
foot nothing. And this buffhead has gone into it's a
political meeting. It was organized by would you believe, the
Friends of the ABC and Monique Ryan, the t MP,

(22:14):
the member, the federal member for Couyong. She was there
as well. In this suburban library with this audience, as
I say of ABC friends, they're having a political discussion
about the upcoming election. And this buffhead, this well known
right extreme right winger in Melbourne, he's walked into the
library with a cameraman and tow yelling about immigration and crime. Right,

(22:37):
he's walked in and disrupted the meeting. He did not
count on this older woman jumping up and going over
and trying to smack him in the face. I mean,
she didn't come up to his shoulders, and she's taken
the swing and he's obviously back the way. He's backed
out of the library, still yelling about so called liberal
democracy and how bad it is police recall. But the

(22:58):
troublemakers had buggered off at the time the arrived. And
this I think the I think Manick Ryan looked more
upset than the older lady who had taken the swing.
I think she looks very very well capable of looking
after herself somehow.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Marz, thank you, really appreciate you talking to you. We'll
chat to you again next week. That's Murray Old's are
Australia correspondent. Hither didn't we loarn yesterday? That the numbers
don't matter, or does that only apply to baby vaccinations.
I mean maybe Plunket did the numbers for the National Party.
That would make sense. Now, look, I don't want to
overload you with Justinda news because this will be the

(23:34):
second Justinda update that I am giving you in a week,
and it is a short week. It's only a week
of three days, and that's two updates and three days
and that's a lot. But someone's got to tell you. Okay,
Jaina's getting an honorary degree from Oxford. I don't know.
I didn't see that. Somebody just texts this through to me.
Thank you Michael for letting me know. And then I
went to have a look in use Oxford set on
their website that it's popped up. It's just popped up,

(23:57):
so put it in your diary. Twenty five June degrees
will be awarded to blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah, nine people, Sir farrerh Lord Melvin Bragg, Dager
thunder Arjen doesn't say what for. I mean, there's obviously
a hagiography, like a very short hagiography, being like she
was awesome, she was born and then since then she's
been awesome, just consistently, And that's basically what it says

(24:19):
is but doesn't say why she's going to get this
honorary degree. So we can only hazard a guess that
it's for displaying exceptional skills at profligate spending, being amazing
at putting a country into recession. Something along those lines,
one would have to guess. Sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
The politics with centrics credit check your customers and get
payments certainty.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Thirteen away from five Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors
with US Thomas Hallo Afternoon, Heather, how do they get
their numbers so wrong?

Speaker 9 (24:49):
So basically this is a childcare rebate. You spend money
at ECE and you send in your receipts and you
get twenty five percent of that money that you spend back.
The screw up appears to have been that IID doesn't
actually know they know how much money you earn. They
know a lot of stuff about you, the IID, but
they don't actually know how much people spend on childcare

(25:10):
because obviously IID isn't looking through your bank account, thankfully,
and so essentially that's where the stuff up seems to
have been. Last year, they estimated the amount of money
that people were spending on childcare, and it turns out
that we're actually spending a bit less on childcare than
they thought. And that's why their costings for this policy,
this childcare rebate, were way way off, because that the

(25:30):
costing that they delivered to Nicola Willis last year was
based on about twenty one thousand people spending three hundred
dollars more on childcare, and the number we don't know
the number of people are spending three hundred dollars more,
but it's clearly much lower than twenty one thousand.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Okay, But then on top of that, the CTU also
then estimates that it's something like fewer than fifty families
who get the full tax package, the whole lot. So
the whole, the whole thing seems to have have been
vastly overestimated.

Speaker 9 (25:59):
Yes, yes, Now, now the detail of this is sort
of complicated. So to get that two fifty a fortnight,
you'd need to get the full family boost, so that's
seventy five dollars a week from your childcare, and then
you'd need to get the income tax cut, and then
another tax credit that National was offering at the election,
and if you're a couple, you have to be a
couple to get that two fifty, So both both partners

(26:22):
and the couple would need to be getting everything, okay,
And so the CTU has basically said, if two hundred
and fifty people are getting the full seventy five dollars
a week from the family tax credit, then of those
two fifty, a tiny number of people will also be
getting all the other tax cuts in order to have
that two hundred and fifty dollars a fortnight. But probably

(26:43):
they are probably right. It's probably a very very small
number of people who are getting the two fifty.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, right, So what happens with the extra money that
we're not spending on this?

Speaker 9 (26:50):
Then, well that is a very good question. It's a
question we've actually put to Nicola with us. So the
money's the money's left in the piggy bank at the moment,
and she's got a very difficult political decision to make,
which is do you do you change the settings at
the budget to make sure that people get something a
bit closer to what they have promised, or do you
bank it to reduce the enormous debt that we've got.
You know, both of them are. Both of them are

(27:12):
good options and bad options equally. Really, I don't know,
I don't know which one I'd be going with.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Fair point, so entirely predictably, Daddy is not going to
tell Winnie off as e yes, yes it is.

Speaker 9 (27:24):
It is entirely predictable. Look the line from them, the
line from Christopher Luxen on Winston Peter's little scrap with
rn Z yesterday is is that Winston. I'll quote it here.
It's not words I would words that I wouldn't use,
But frankly, I think Winston Peter's, after forty years in
public service, has a mode of communication that is well understood.
And you know, look, there's a lot of truth of that,

(27:45):
but certainly he does. Winston Peters does seem to have
flown in the face of some of that rn Z editorial,
editorial statutory protection. And it is very interesting that the
Prime Minister doesn't back himself to at least tell him
off a little bit, at least sort of pull him
into line. Obviously, this isn't a second offense. This isn't
you know, this is in a very incredibly seri.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Why would he tell him off, Like what what why
would he tell him off? First of all, if he
tells him off, he's just gonna he's just going to
get the backup of his coalition partner. And you don't
need to give Winston any reason to misbaht. It was
just just Cinda's recently found out. There's nothing in that.
Plus there's a whole but no, no, no, I can't imagine
there's a huge number of national voters. We're gonna be like, yeah, cool,
we really wanted you to defend our MZ.

Speaker 9 (28:28):
No, You're quite right, there is no there is no
political or any or any merit. And and pulling Winston
Peters into line. The government's got eighteen months pull the
next election roughly, and and Winston Peter's already already has
plenty of incentive to act up, and you don't want
to give him any further incentive.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Hey, do we care about China being upset about the
visit to Taiwan?

Speaker 9 (28:50):
Not particularly China always get that these trips happen all
the time. China gets their back their backup about them regularly.
This is yeah, it's it's standard practice. I think as
Stuart Smith, who was on the trip. I think he
said that they sort of expected it.

Speaker 12 (29:05):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Hey, by the way, on that aaron Z thing, did
you notice that that the Luxeon did not dissuade us
of the idea that iron Z may have its funding cut.

Speaker 9 (29:15):
Yes, I did notice that. I would say that I
put money on that happening in the budget. Could be wrong,
but I've heard some whispers around the bee Hive that
suggest that they might be looking to take some of
the funding away from Oriata to the budget anyway.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, it sounds increasingly like that's the case. Hey, Thomas,
Thanks has always appreciated Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor.
Eight away from five, putting.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 13 (29:37):
Has the Trumps to blink? His last approach to China
and tariff appears to be he's going to back down.
The Hall Seeken is the former advisor to Sendator John
mccainey's with the American Action Forum these days. What's your
sense of this whole terror thing.

Speaker 14 (29:48):
I think it's been a real problem for the US
and the global of comly in general.

Speaker 13 (29:53):
Would you say Trump has blinked in the last twenty
four hours is what the comments about China's really about.

Speaker 14 (29:57):
It's absolutely true that the president ever he made a mistake,
but he does respond to pressure, and we've seen him
respond to that pressure in the past week.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
So what happens now?

Speaker 14 (30:06):
I think the reciprocal terrorffs go away under the guys
of negotiations with these country or something like that.

Speaker 13 (30:11):
Back Monday from six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk zb.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Okay five away from five hither What on earth are
they talking about? I spend get a load of this
because this will rip your nickers. Six hundred and fifty
dollars a week on childcare pretty standard, but I earned
too much, eighty thousand dollars. I'm left with about three
hundred and fifty dollars each week for everything else. It's
hardly worth working, So that that'll be part of the problem, right,

(30:39):
It will be that there are people who actually do
spend three hundred dollars plus on childcare every week, but
the problem is they earn too much to qualify for this.
So perhaps perhaps the thing is not estimating incorrectly how
much people are spending, just estimating and correctly how much
people are earning. People are earning more than that anyway, regardless, nevermind,
we're going to talk to Nichola Willis about what she's
going to do about this. Look, I may be going soft, okay,

(31:02):
but I'm not upset about the fact that we've bought
cars for former prime ministers. I don't know if you've
seen the spin in the news today. Taxpayers Union has
dug out the info and found out that, I think
it's since twenty seventeen, we've spent about three hundred thousand
dollars buying the former prime minister's new cars, and then
about fourteen thousand dollars on things like fueler maintenance. Right,
So we've bought cars for Jacinda and Bill and Helen

(31:24):
and Jenny and Jimmy does Jimbolgia. Obviously nobody calls them
Jimmy anyway. So and in these cars, not John Key,
because the man's too classy. He's like, look, I'm loaded,
I've got a chopper. You don't need to buy my car.
Thank you, John, because I feel like there are some
other people in that list who don't need to have
the cars bought for them. But anyway, regardless, the cars
cost about forty eight thousand to about sixty three thousand

(31:46):
dollars a pop. It seems like Ja Cinda went and
got herself the Hyundai Kona Beev BEV, which I think
i've seen her driving around the beach. Bill's got that too.
It's ugly, you know. I'm sorry. If that it's the
car that you pick, then, you know whatever, Like fine.
I wouldn't buy it for myself either, I'd get somebody

(32:06):
else to buy it from his idios. Anyway, Helen's got
the best taste of everyone. She's got herself an MG
classy Helen MG PEV and Jim and Jenny have got
themselves the Mitzi Outland of Pev, which also, to be honest,
is a little bit ugly, but less ugly than the
high un Day Anyway, we've paid for that. We've also
paid for the road user charges and their petrol and
their vehicle services. Bill got himself a couple of new tires,

(32:29):
set of new tires. It was one thousand dollars. Genny's
the only one who pays to get her car cleaned.
She got four car washes and a groom for one
hundred and eighty dollars. I respect the fact that she
claimed for the four car washes. That's pedantic. I would anyway.
I'm neither here. I just don't. I'm not fussed about it.
I'm like, if these are the rules, right, if these
are the rules, we're going to buy them the cars
and stuff in them. Whatever. It's not a huge extent,

(32:51):
but we could change the rules, I suppose anyway, We'll
talk to the huddle about it later. Also going to
talk to the people who want us to pay as
tax payers, you know, for master Chef and stuff to
be in New Zealand. I mean, honestly stand by Nikola Willis's.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Next digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Oring it's Heather dups on drive with one.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Afternoon. It turns out that way fewer families have been
receiving National's main election sweetener than they estimated. So they
said it would be twenty one thousand families who would
qualify for the seventy five dollars a week reback for
early childhood education, but actually it's just two hundred and
forty nine families who get it consistently. The Finance Minister
Nichola Willis's with us.

Speaker 12 (33:42):
Nikola, Hello, I'm going to have to correct you here
this please. Actually, fifty six thousand families have benefitted from
the scheme so far, and more than seventy thousand have
registered for the scheme, so maybe about to make claims.
And what iid estimated and what we based our communications
on was that around one hundred thousand families would be

(34:05):
eligible for the scheme over the full year. We haven't
completed a year yet, so we do expect more families
will claim over the next few weeks and months, and
families do have up to four years to make claims
for the scheme, so some who are eligible for it
may not have made claims yet. So we're hopeful that
there will still be many more thousands of families that

(34:26):
will benefit from the scheme.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Is it wrong the reporterage that I'm reading that says
two hundred and forty nine families have consistently claimed the
full amounts since the scheme began last July, So what.

Speaker 12 (34:39):
Is correct is that fewer families than ird estimated have
got the full amount of the claim, which is for
nine hundred and seventy five dollars every three months, and
that's because fewer families that IRD estimated are actually paying
more than three hundred dollars a week for early childhood
education costs. That's how much they have to pay to

(35:00):
be eligible for the full rebate, because the rebate is
based on how much you're paying an ECE fees and
what your household income is. And essentially IRD thought that
there were more people paying half fees than has turned
out to be the case. So we're now having a
look at the scheme. We always intended that these dollars
that we've put aside for family boost would end up

(35:22):
with families and their bank accounts helping them with the
cost of living. So I've asked IID for advice on
what are the tweaks we could make to make sure
that more people are benefiting more from this scheme.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Okay, so you'll prepare to tweak it so actually more
people get it rather than bank the savings and use
it for something else.

Speaker 12 (35:38):
Yes, because the government's intention was really clear. We think
that that time in life when you've got young children,
you've got high costs, is really tough, and that's when
the cost of loving bite's hard. And if you're working
and you're paying tax, we think giving you a little
bit of a boost to help with your early childhood
education costs is the right thing to do. We put
aside hundreds of millions of dollars for this policy. Because

(36:01):
the uptake has been lower than id estimated, we're not
on track to actually get all that money out the door.
I want it in the back pockets of mums and
dads who need it, so that will require some tweaks
to the scheme, and I'm taking advice on what those
should be.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Do you have any idea how much money you've saved
across this.

Speaker 12 (36:19):
It's difficult to estimate because, as I say, it hasn't
even been running for a year yet, and the budget
is forecast over the next four years. But at this
point we are not on track to have spent the
full one hundred and seventy one million dollars that we
were meant to be spending this year. So I want
to make sure that we're making tweaks so that in

(36:41):
future years we are getting this out the door to
more people.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I'm assuming the tweak's going to be in the budget yet.

Speaker 12 (36:49):
Know what we've done for the budget has made sure
that all the funding we initially put to one side
for the scheme is ring fenced, still available for Family Boost.
And then as we're continuing to track this star that's
still coming in, continuing to get claims, I'm at the
same time taking advice on tweaks to the scheme and
I think that I will make some announcements on that
after the budget probably in June.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Okay, cool, Hey, thank you very much as always for
your time. That's Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister to.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Do for Celis.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
There's some tension in the coalition over ongoing race based policies.
It turns out that ACC is still using ethnic targeting.
This is despite the government minister's telling the public servants
to stop it. ACC wants to reduce about five thy
five hundred injury claims in the manufacturing sector, but they're
specifying that eighteen percent of those must be from Maori
workers and eleven percent of those must be from PACIFICA workers.

(37:38):
Laura McClure is act's ACC spokesperson. Hey, Laura, are you there.

Speaker 15 (37:46):
Laura, I am here.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Hello, Yes, I can thank you great. Why wasn't the stopped?

Speaker 15 (37:55):
Look are we are not too sure, and in the
Minister's defense, there is a separation between obviously the ministry
and the minister, so it has come from acc itself. However,
now we've been alluded to it, we would expect the
Minister and the Minister's office to actually have a little
review of this and check that it does actually align
with the cabinets clear and clear directive around services to

(38:19):
be provided on need not race.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, you've written to Scottsson, the relevant minister here. Has
there been any indication that Scott Simpson actually wants to.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Kill this off?

Speaker 10 (38:29):
Look, not so far.

Speaker 15 (38:30):
I mean I probably wouldn't be on air with you
this afternoon if we had heard back. But so far,
not at all. But yet, Look, we're hopeful. I think
that there is. The coalition's good. We've got a good
working relationship with Scott, so hopeful that he'll.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Have You read the newsroom article on this.

Speaker 15 (38:49):
I don't know if I have. Has it just popped up?

Speaker 2 (38:50):
No, it's been up all day basically, Laura. But it
seems to me that Scott Simpson's pretty stoked with this
and is going to carry on with it.

Speaker 10 (38:58):
Oh.

Speaker 15 (38:58):
Look, I mean, if that is what Scott has quoted,
then that is on him. But look, I think the
Cabinet directive was very clear around making sure that we
have services that are based on need and not race,
and this policy here, as far as we're concerned, we've
not received any good evidence to show that actually this

(39:20):
is targeted and it's well targeted. So I think that
it does go. You know, it's completely against the Cabinet
directive and I think that we need to be really
serious about this government's intentions.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Scott Simpson says the initiative is in fact need based.

Speaker 15 (39:37):
Well, that might be something that Scott does say, and
I'm yet to see an evidence and look, I'm up
to be convinced otherwise, but so far we've not been provided,
or my offices have not been provided any evidence that
this is in fact actually evidence based. I mean, as
far as I'm concerned, I think it's great that we're
going to be targeting a seat tore like manufacturing. I

(39:59):
think that is a good thing to do. But everybody
deserves to go to work and come home safe, and
it's completely lazy and I actually think it is a
bit racist saying one group of people, a particular group
of people need some specific targeted training and what's going
to happen to the rest of everybody else. Yeah, I
think that's actually really unfair.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Orah, Thanks, mate, really appreciated. Laura McClure, act party spokesperson
for AC he see, we're going to come back to
Scott Simson and attach fourteen.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Past five Heaver do forsy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, Scott apparently. By the way, it's a little busy
to be talking to us today. I think Scott. Scott's
got some work in the electorate office all day to day,
which is what I would do. I would do if
somebody was calling me about a thing and I was like,
oh gosh, here we go. So now I'm busy all
day in my electorate office. Well, we'll be here on Monday.

Speaker 11 (40:46):
Scott.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Anyway, listen on the Chippy on the car situation. Yes,
fair question on the on the text to Chippy get
a cart. No, Chippy didn't get a car. All the
other former prime minister's got a car, but Chippy didn't
get a car because Chippy wasn't there long enough. I
think the cut off for something like two years before
we buy you a car, So Chippy didn't do the
job long enough. So he didn't get a car, and
also JK didn't get a car because he's a decent

(41:07):
guy and he was like, I can pay for my
own car, so we'll respect that. Hither, you are going
soft in the stop borrowing money for useless prime minister's cars.
We are broke. Bloody hell, Heather three hundred thousand dollars
for those cars as ten hip replacements. These free loading
grifter ex prime ministers should hold their heads in shame.
Go to the hardle on that later quarter path.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
The rssay's annual Poppy Appeal is underway right now now.
Every day, the RSA supports veterans of military service and
their family in every community in New Zealand, and there
are over sixty thousand veterans just created since nineteen ninety,
so it means the demand for their services that the
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required to serve in but also the situations that they

(41:48):
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because they're not funded, they actually rely on our help.
So this year there are more ways that you can give.
You can text Poppy to eight five nine five it's

(42:09):
eight five nine five to instantly donate three dollars. You
can donate online at arisa dot org dot nz slash
donate or look out for the street collectors on Poppy Day.
Heather Duplasy coming up nineteen past five. Now, the government's
being told it needs to help pay for reality TV
shows that are made locally. So at the moment, local
versions of shows like Maths and whatnot, they don't get

(42:32):
the full forty percent screen production rebate that is available
in New Zealand, and all of our major TV broadcasters
want them obviously to be able to get that. Irene
Gardner is president of Sparta and is with us. Now, hey, Irene,
hi there. If they're not getting the forty percent, what
are they getting.

Speaker 16 (42:49):
Historically, those big format shows were made with commercial money.
They were made with network money, which came from advertising revenue. Unfortunately,
what's happened in our local industry is because of years
and years of the big techers operating here without regulation.

(43:10):
Advertising revenue is massively reduced, and the spend that the
big networks TVNZ and three have for local content has
basically gone down by about fifty million a year, which
you know, which is like about half. So it's massive
and in a weird kind of a way, we've got

(43:31):
a weird situation that's developed in New Zealand where the
less commercial kinds of shows, which have historically been funded
by our funding agencies, ends it on air, et cetera,
are in a stronger position now than our more commercial,
more popular, more loved shows, including some of those big

(43:53):
format style they're probably more the format entertainment end than
the really low end reality because that's you know, the
really low end of reality, the sort of you know,
real house wise of whatever. That's not what New Zealanders
tend to like. It's the more sophisticated ones like the Traders,
the Block Master Chef, and those shows are now super

(44:15):
super vulnerable. So what we have been advocating for is
a few enhancements to the screen production rebate that we
stick part of it so that those shows which have
historically not been eligible if they're based on an international format,
might be eligible to get that rebate. Back, which would

(44:37):
mean the networks would still have to put money in
and the producers would still have to find international or
other money to support that. So this is quite hard
to get together. So it's not like this is going
to suddenly be like a rush of millions of shows.
This is going to be the big ones that the
big production companies can get international money and get these

(44:58):
shows to happen. But the will just be the thing
that will get them over the line so that we
get to keep some of those you know, popular show.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Master Chief won't offend anybody, But are we talking about
shows like f Boy Island.

Speaker 16 (45:12):
I would be very surprised if that's the sort of
thing that a New Zealand production company would do in
the current climate, because it just wouldn't really be forgular enough.
There is a sort of a weird I don't know
what the double standard is the right expression, I mean,
maybe a loophole where weirdly, the international rebate, which, which

(45:34):
to be fair, is an entirely business incentive, whereas the
domestic one has a little bit of a cultural attachment
to it, but the international one. Weirdly, if an international
production company decided to do one of those low end
reality shows here they would get their twenty percent rebate,
but if a New Zealand company tried to do it,

(45:55):
we wouldn't. So's the sort of a weird little twist there.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Very complicated, isn't it, Irene?

Speaker 3 (46:01):
It isn't complicated.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, we better go.

Speaker 16 (46:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I appreciate it, but we need to we need to
move on. We'll definitely check this on too, the hard
latter on this Irene Gardner, SPARTA President, five twenty two.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Checking the point of the story.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
It's hither duplicy, Ellen, drive with one New Zealand, let's
get connected and youth.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Dogs'd be five twenty five now listen. I hope that
this acc business is a scotsmson problem and not a
national problem. But I'm starting to get a little worried
about it because this is at least the third case
of race based stuff still happening under National when we
thought National was going to put a stop to it.
I mean, at least with the free GP visits in
Hawks Bay for Maori and Pacifica kids and no one else.
At least that stuff could be blamed on rogue public

(46:42):
health stuff. And it was kelled as soon as we
discovered it was happening, and at least with the co
governance stuff that's going on in the way Tuckety rangers
at a stretch. We may believe that the government didn't
know about it, maybe, but this ACC stuff the Minister
knows about and even though he was told about it,
he's not going to stop it because, as I told
you in the newsroom article, he stands by ACC. He

(47:04):
thinks it's okay. Now, I reckon this is going to
be just a little disappointing to a whole bunch of
voters who put this government in power to stop this
race based stuff that Willie Jackson and the Labour Party
were pushing. And who would have thought that directive to
the public service that went out last year telling the
public servants to stop the race based stuff was actually
going to stop the race based stuff. National needs to

(47:24):
cut the stuff out. They need to stop this. So
they either need to stop it themselves or they need
to go along to Scottsson and tell him to stop it,
because otherwise a lot of voters are going to wise
up to exactly what Act was warning us at the election,
which is that National is not actually going to change anything.
National is just labor in blue clothes. And if you
think I'm going too far saying that, just take a

(47:44):
look at what is going on. I'll remind you Nikola
Willis has spent more in her last budget than Grant
Robertson ever spent. Scott Simpson clearly loves himself a little
race based target. Now what did we complain about at
nauseum with Labor? We complained about too much spending. We've
still got that going on, too much racial division, still
got that going on. So how is this any different? Currently?

(48:06):
As I say, National needs to cut this out or
it needs to risk losing voters to its coalition partners,
because the coalition partners at this stage are actually taking
a tougher line on this stuff.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Heaver du seen take that to the huddle.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
They have a chat to us. It's evening. We've got
Mark Sainsbury and Nick Leggett. Can I just so happy?
But not that he's listening. But Prince Louis has turned seven.
I'm raising this with you because he's the best, isn't he.
Prince Louis is the best of that. He's the naughty one,
and everybody loves the naughty one until of course they
grow up and become Prince Andrew. We don't want that
at this stage. We still like Prince Louis. The Royals

(48:39):
have put a little clip up on social media to
celebrate his birthday, and he is looking so gorgeous at seven.
He's got the little he's got that little ugly gap.
You know how the kids get the ugly gap around
that age where they lose the teeth and then they
look a bit funny. He's got that at the moment
and it's just adorable. He's also because he's now a
big boy. The Royals are letting him wear long pants,
which is what they do, which is nice. It's to

(49:02):
treat and it's also warm. So he's getting to be
at our school. Just go and have a look. Enjoy,
happy birth back to him.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 6 (49:23):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Never that's one of your best political summaries for a while.

Speaker 12 (49:33):
Yet.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Labor or national actually just equals labor lights Mark, thanks
very much. We're gonna put this to the huddle shortly
when we have a chat to them. Also, Peter lewis
our Asia but regular Asia Business correspondent is standing by
to have a chat to us after six o'clock about
how China is reacting to Trump apparently blinking on these
tariffs that he had proposed. Right now, it's twenty four
away from six now. Got a little bit of an

(49:55):
issue going on by the looks of things in the
medical community. So the Medical Council is launching inquiry and
to doctors who are giving out prescriptions for medicinal medicinal
cannabis at these cannabis clinics. It comes after complainants for
our complaints from patients who say that they were not
properly briefed on non cannabis options at the clinics. Doctor
Luke Bradford is the medical director for the Royal New
Zealand College of GPS and.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
With us, Hey Luke, Hey, Heather, how are you very well?
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Is that what's going on these guys are rocking up
or patients are rocking up at the cannabis clinics and
they're being given cannabis options but not for example, panadol
is an option.

Speaker 11 (50:29):
Yeah, essentially, I mean there's no other comparable service that
is based on a treatment option alone as opposed to conditions.
So we don't have clinics for any other type of
medicine or drug. We have them for different types of conditions.
So if you've only got one option in front of you,
you're likely to use it, I think, is what's happening.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
But Luke, does anybody go to a cannabis clinic like
you've got You've got to saw leg water there, you
go to a cannabis clinic. I mean, the only reason
you're there is because you want right. You don't expect
them to offer you some traditional pharmaceutical pain relief, do you?

Speaker 11 (51:05):
No? No, So I think that in certain We put
out a statement in September two twenty three saying that
medicinal cannabis is lacking in evidence in the shourney be
used once all other options have been trialed. But that's
not happening with these clinics.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Okay, now what do you want done here?

Speaker 11 (51:25):
There is no regulation. The medicines aren't tested or proven
in the same way as we'd have any other it's
just grown cannabis that they do in a relatively sterile manner.
We'd like some research done on what you should be
using for what, for how long? And in what does
And we think that actually these single single purpose clinics

(51:48):
should come under some form of regulation because at the.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Moment there is a mini yeah, so you do you do?
You want it to be a little bit, I mean,
what's I don't even know I how this works at
the moment. What do people do? Do They go in
and they say, look, I've got chronic migraines, and so
you justasically take enough oil you sort of figure it
out yourself, do you Well.

Speaker 11 (52:05):
Yeah, almost, it's not quite. It's often it's an online
tick box exercise. First you go online and tick which
symptoms you have and your severity of it, and then
they'll direct you to whether or what you are suitable
for meddicinal cannabis, which seems to be universal, yes, despite
the fact that the actual conditions we know it works
for are fairly limited. And then you'll have some kind

(52:27):
of comes of it. Isn't looking at your whole health
journey necessarily, isn't looking at what other medicines you're on
and what else has been trialed? And then you're given
various formulations of THC containing and CBD containing medicines in
t's and inhalations.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
And the light at different doses, do you different strengths Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 (52:47):
Yeah, well yeah, and it's not really clear what strength
certainly in the THC you're getting because you're making your
own tea out of it or putting it through a vaporizer.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
It's not like and then isn't a case of trial
and error. Each patient trial does it themselves. It just
figures out what how many cups of tea they have
to drink to feel good?

Speaker 11 (53:03):
I think I think they probably are given a starting
point that essentially yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
All right, interesting, Hey, thanks very much. I really appreciate
you talking us through that. That's Luke Bradford, Royal, New
Zealand College of GP's medical director. Twenty one away from.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
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Speaker 2 (53:22):
All this evening. Mark Sainsbury Broadcaster and Nick Leggett Infrastructure,
New Zealand High Lads. Hello, oh Sainso's done it again,
Nick So, sains were you back?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Yeah? I am, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Sains So So before I've been warned about you. They
said to me, I hear the while you've been away
on maternity leave, Sainzo's been bloody while muting himself with
his cheeks again, and I said he was doing that
last year. And then we lose you like before it's
even what's going on.

Speaker 17 (53:50):
Just look, I'm just you just you threatened me with
your eloquence and everything that.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Sort of evidently so does Ryan because it was happening
when I was out here. I just think you're you're
a boomer king on the phone, aren't you go? That's right?
Nick Listen. How do you feel about the US buying
the prime minister's cars after they're no longer prime ministers?

Speaker 18 (54:11):
I've got absolutely no problem with it.

Speaker 6 (54:13):
Whatever.

Speaker 18 (54:15):
These are people that have served New Zealand and the
top office, and irrespective of that service and the work
they put in as prime minister, I think the truth
is that former prime ministers are actually called upon to
do quite a lot of free stuff. And I know
because I'm someone that's asked some of them to do,
you know, come and speak at events and have lunches

(54:38):
with people and talk about experiences, and they say yes,
and they don't get paid so I think that you know,
contributing to their vehicle, you know, servicing a vehicle for
them buying a vehicle, I think are pretty small. It's
not a massive contribution to people who have contributed very

(54:58):
significantly to the country and continue to do so. I mean,
I think we're very well served by former prime ministers
of all stripes, and I think that most Keys would say, yep,
these are people that have served. But they also there's
some wisdom amongst the slot and we continue to benefit
from it as a country. So I think it's mean
spirited if we don't honor the legislation that allows them

(55:22):
these vehicles.

Speaker 17 (55:23):
Say yeah, well, it's interesting you look at the Remuneration Authority,
which sort of controls all that sort of basically said,
you know that these were provided because like with the
Chauff driven cars, if you're in the Crown cars, if
you're doing business in relation to you being and former
prime minister, like you know, if Nick was, you know,
shoehorned them into coming along to sort of something. But

(55:43):
I also noticed that the self drive cars Jim Bolge's
eighty nine, is he still driving?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
What's a good point? Does missus Bulger get permission, bultilar Age.

Speaker 17 (55:53):
I mean, you know, I think Jim made a huge
contribution to this country, quite frankly, but you sort of
wonder why on earth would you provide a car to
someone who probably doesn't drive well?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
This is a fair point. Also, Nick, have you looked
at some of these cars because they're ugly? Ain't like
the only one the only person with class?

Speaker 18 (56:11):
Much happier to critique that the choice of vehicle than
whether or not the vehicle's provided here, I agree.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Yeah, I mean the only one with class is Helen
because she went for the MG which is a tight
little vehicle. But the other ones are hideous, aren't they.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (56:24):
I don't think the hun I con as a beauties
I quite like Jim Bolger's Outlander because that's what my
family's got. But look, the point is these are people
that have served the country. They continue to serve the country.
I think it's it's it's it's mean and nitpicky to
go after them on pretty small costs when they when

(56:46):
they're continuing to contribute.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Okay, saying so, how do you feel about funding increasing
the funding for reality TV shows that are made in
New Zealand and the risk being that we do end
up funding f Boy Island.

Speaker 17 (57:01):
Well, I mean, well it should we also be funding
the news, have you got? I mean it's interesting because
that whole scheme was set up to try and preserve
the industry and develop the skills and everything like that.
I see one of the criteria was that it's of
cultural benefit to New Zealand. Now f Boy Ireland or

(57:21):
rous other ones, I do not know how they're going
to be contributing to the cultural benefit of this country. Yeah,
it's I can understand the fund in terms of supporting production,
but is this saying no production can survive anymore? Anything
we make in this country is going to have to
be it's going to have to be heavily subsidized.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I mean I can sort of understand funding the news
because there is some democratic value in having news served
up to you. But is there any value in having
maths New Zealand served up to you?

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (57:50):
I don't think we should make a sort of a
value judgment based on whether or not it's within our
personal taste. I think Mark's point about supporting local production
is a good one. I mean, culture comes in all forms,
and I think that.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Being an I am and I can't know.

Speaker 6 (58:10):
I know, so I don't.

Speaker 18 (58:12):
I don't watch. I don't watch that stuff. I do
know there are people close to me who do. But
I just I think that it comes in all forms, right,
and even though it's not, you know, your individual choice
to watch it. I don't think we can be snooty
about the choices people make. So I'm actually I'm in

(58:33):
favor of like supporting local content and if it means
if it's something that's a bit low brow, well so be.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
It a bit low brow. He's totally low brow. All right,
We'll take a break, come back to you guys in
a tech quarter.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
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Speaker 2 (58:53):
Right back with the Huddle, Mark Sainsbury, Nick Leg's says,
so what do you make of the fact that this
race based stuff is still happening under national Yeah?

Speaker 17 (59:01):
Well, I mean you look at the Cabinet director and
you can see there's going to be some issues there.
But by the same token, it's this whole thing over
need versus race, you know, and if you're going to
judge things on need, if they look at the States
and says that this particular group, you know, are more
prone to a more prone or have a higher accident rate.
You know, this is not conferring some special status or

(59:23):
no monetary benefit. It's saying, if we think it's a problem,
that's trying and solve it. I run thing called Men's
Health Week and one of the things for that is
that the stats for PACIFICA and Mari men are just
appalling half of them will not get the pension. So
is it wrong then to focus on those groups if
you see there's a specific need. I think you can
get caught up sometimes. I think in all of this

(59:44):
and I think if the outcome is going to be good,
then what the hell?

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yeah, the problem here really is the fact that there
was a directive that went out to public servants to
stop doing this stuff. The nets and Act and New
Zealand Verse were elected on the understanding by a lot
of voter is that they would stop doing the stuff.
To have a national minister just totally defy that and
say he's going to keep doing it, there's your problem, right,
It's it's voters expectations, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:00:09):
Well.

Speaker 18 (01:00:09):
I think Mark has hit it on the head. I mean,
you could argue here that you've got groups that are
disproportionately impacted by workplace accidents because of the sort of
work that they do. So you've got Mardi and Pacifica
communities who have more accidents than you know, their proportion
of the workforce. That's not to target them to reduce

(01:00:36):
the harm that they are receiving disproportionately. It's not race based.
That's need based. No, it's not, because it's the need
that No, it's not disproportionately affected.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
It literally is. If you are identifying people based on race,
that is race based.

Speaker 18 (01:00:57):
It is need based, need based. Here the disproportionately negatively impacted. Yes,
that's a need.

Speaker 12 (01:01:05):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
We're just going to go around in circles on this one.
But I would argue that everybody who gets injured is
in need of being of being saved from that injury.
When you start splitting it down gender lines, that's gender based.
When you start splitting it down racial lines, it's race based.

Speaker 9 (01:01:21):
Right, So I think I think I.

Speaker 18 (01:01:23):
Think it's a it is a fair point. How do
you actually target how do you go after the group
of the people that are going to be impacted by
injury hurt themselves, and then you do sometimes have to target.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Let me put it, Let me put it to you,
what proportion of the workers in the manufacturing sector are
Maori in Pacifica.

Speaker 18 (01:01:45):
I think it was for it was eleven eighteen percent targeting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
That was the target that they were aiming for, right,
But what proportion of them actually are those workers?

Speaker 6 (01:01:55):
Do you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
I mean?

Speaker 18 (01:01:55):
That's what that's what That's what my understanding and reading
that was that that those were the figures.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
Then you've got a number that isn't that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
So then if you have eighteen percent of your workers
who are injured working in that sector being Maori and
eleven percent being Pacifica, if you just managed to save
those those injuries five hundred, then it should split down
those lines, shouldn't it if you just do it? Of course,
that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
You don't need to set this target. It should just
naturally happen.

Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
Well, I don't think that they're mutually exclusive.

Speaker 18 (01:02:26):
I think you said, we want to stop people getting
hurt in the workplace, right, and if we can go
after groups that are disproportionately getting hurt in the workplace
to reduce the total number. Why wouldn't we do that,
But you're right, we should be doing it in general
terms as well.

Speaker 6 (01:02:39):
It's not all of one or none of the other.
We want.

Speaker 18 (01:02:43):
What we want to do is stop people getting hurt.
So I think Scott Simpson has been responsible as a
minister to back this. It is we want to go
where need is. We want to target people and groups
who we know are getting hurt at greater rates. I
don't think I imagine anybody thinking that's a bad idea.
We we've got to we've got to step back and

(01:03:05):
I think just think about one of the most effective
ways to reduce heart and if this isn't an effective way,
well let's do something else. But until it's you know,
till it's shine that isn't, then let's keep keeping.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
I've letting it go for so long. You want to
do you want to just chip in with something before
we end this.

Speaker 17 (01:03:23):
Now, look, well I suppose that's all the fast The
other the other week about sort of you know, pregnant
persons and actually not using the word woman, and you
look at this and think this is just about as mad.
I mean, if there is a problem and there is
a couple of cohorts a couple of groups that need attention.
Then what's what's so wrong with doing it? We're just
sort of, oh, we don't mention the race work.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Interesting, Okay, guys, thank you that appreciate it. Mark Sainsbury
broadcast that and Nick leget Infrastructure New Zealand. Seven away from.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
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Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
The simple question for you, how does being or Pacifica
make you get injured more? It doesn't. Well, this is
very interesting thing that Bill has raised just on the subject.
I'm not sure how being Mari or Pacifica would make
you get injured more, which means I'm not sure how
you stop it. How do you target a mari in
a pacificer worker and the manufacturing sector to stop them
being injured?

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
One of the obvious ones is maybe a language thing,
like you put some posters up in various Pacific languages,
or maybe in Mari being like don't get hurt. These
are the things you want to do not to get hurt.
But beyond that, I am completely out of ideas, So
I just don't know how you tuch, Look what do
you do especially for Maria and PACIFICA workers in order
to stop them getting hurt. This is where we need
to talk to the minister Scott Simpson, who is unavailable

(01:04:42):
because he's busy today. Anyway, hopefully he will he will
rethink that and come and have a chat to us
on Monday. We'll put in the bit again four away
from six now. Yesterday this time on the program, I
said to you Toto was going to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Call.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Guess what. Toto did not do it on I was
completely and utterly wrong the pointed which I said they would,
because I looked at the setlist and I was like,
last two songs I hold the line in Africa, they'll
do an encore before that they didn't. They stopped everything
and just introduced the band for a really long time,
and then they carried on playing and they played to
hold the Line banger, and then they played Africa and
we all went nuts, and then they were like bye,
and they walked off the stage and we didn't do

(01:05:19):
an encore. And Jenny Mortimer, who raised it in her
her hatred on encore editorial in the paper yesterday, was banging.
It was lovely and refreshing, but also, can I tell
you I never realized that Toto was a band made
up of session musicians who were apparently some of the
hottest session musicians in the seventies and eighties. The guy
who's the last of the og lineup, who's on the guitar,

(01:05:40):
is responsible for the guitar on this Michael Jackson song.
And then like a whole bunch of other stuff Quincy
Jones and stuff. And the guy who now does the
League vocals lead vocals sang this song in the Lion
King movie.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Nos pray me to worries some far the rest of
your day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
So when I said to you that I was going
to see Toto, a daggy old dad band with one hit,
A not just a daggy old dad band with one
hit that I did a whole bunch of other cool
stuff as well. Peter Lewis next, enjoy.

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Even in coming up in the next hour, Sam Dickie's
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Now the Wall Street Journal is reporting that Donald Trump
is considering slashing tariffs on Chinese goods by more than half. Now.

(01:07:10):
No decisions have been made just yet, reportedly, but that
would mean that tariffs could come down to between fifty
and sixty five percent. China, on the other hand, has
signal it's open to trade talks but won't negotiate under
Duris Now. Peter Lewis is our Asia business correspondent with
US Now have Peter.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Good Evening Heather, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
I meaning nothing is set in stone just yet, but
it feels like things are calming down.

Speaker 8 (01:07:31):
Yet they are calming down, but I think from China's perspective,
the way they're presenting this, particularly that Wall Street Journal
reports which suggested taroft's on China could be halved. They
say it as Trump blinking first and it being a
vindication of President's strategy, which is to hang tough there

(01:07:53):
as you said earlier, not to be bullied and not
to negotiate under duess. Now, Scott Besson's The US Treasury
Sect yesterday said that Trump hasn't offered to just remove
tariffs on his own. There has to be a mutual
the escalation and tariff's sort of come off together. Well,
China has made it very clear that that isn't going

(01:08:15):
to happen, and it does appear that the White House
is misreading the room again here, China's view has been
very much, you put these tariffs on. We didn't ask
for this, we didn't start this trade war. Therefore, you
are going to have to take them off, and once
you do that, we are then open to negotiations. But
this idea that there's going to be some mutual reduction

(01:08:38):
in tariffs over time is not what China has been saying.
And furthermore, they sort of see it as a sign
that this is an administration in the US that is
in some disarray. It doesn't have a trade or economic policy.
You have taris put on one day, then suspended the next,
then exemptions, a whole bewildering array of exemptions announced. This

(01:09:00):
is very much giving the impression to China that there
isn't a coherent trade policy or strategy. It's being made
up as they go along on the whim of one
man in the White House.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
What is China prepared to give.

Speaker 8 (01:09:15):
Well, it's prepared to try and see if there can
be some more balanced trade. It agrees that, you know,
there are some problems in the global economy, and it
can offer to buy more things from the US. But
the problem is that if the ultimate aim here is

(01:09:35):
to reduce the US trade deficit with China and either
put it into balance or bring it in somehow into surplus,
China has made the calculation quite correctly in my view,
that there is going to be pain on both sides,
but China and its consumers are far more willing and
far more able to bear that pain. Because if you

(01:09:57):
want to reduce a trade deficit, you have to bear
in mind that trade is one side of the coin.
On the other side of the coin, they are all
the capital flows, and these have to balance.

Speaker 6 (01:10:07):
So if you.

Speaker 8 (01:10:08):
Reduce the trade deficits, what it means is that there
is less money going into the US, So Americans are
going to have to save more, They're going to have
to buy less not just the foreign goods but of
their own but of their own goods, and there's going
to have to be more domestic investment into manufacturing in
the US. Now, we know that Americans love to spend,

(01:10:31):
and they love to spend on borrowed money. They've been
doing it for years, So this is going to be
a major change if they want to reduce the trade deficits.
And it's also going to have implications for the dollar
because I said that capital flows are the other side
of this. If you have a lower trade deficit, then
there is less demand for the dollar around the world.

(01:10:51):
And you cannot damage China's trading capabilities without also damaging
its ability to either want or require US dollars. So
this is going to weaken the US dollar over time
and ultimately threaten its status as the world's reserve currency.
Is the US really prepared to pay that price? I
suspect not.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yeah, Peter, Hey, thank you as always, really appreciated. Look
after yourself. That's Peter Lewis our Asia business correspondents staying
on Donald Trump. This This will come as no surprise
to you if you were listening to the show yesterday,
But it looks like the peace deal. As we kind
of mentioned earlier, the peace deal between Russia and Ukraine
is really going to be a hard one to stick
together because Donald Trump has apparently proposed that what Ukraine

(01:11:32):
needs to give up is Crimea and then all of
the land that the Russia, that Russia is currently occupied.
Zelensky has let it be known that he's not prepared
to give up Crimea. So he's obviously a problem for
Donald Trump, and Donald Trump has now had to crack
at him publicly. It's gone on to truth social He's
claimed a deal to end the war was very close,
but that Zelenski's refusal to accept the US terms quote

(01:11:54):
will do nothing but prolong the conflict. So, according to Trump,
Zelensky's the problem. Twelve past six.

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In the same applies to stupid people like Trump sixteen
past six and Liam Dan, the Herald's business editor at
largers with us A Liam, Hey, Heather, Yeah, did you
enjoy Toto last night?

Speaker 19 (01:13:42):
I did enjoy Toto? Yeah, yeah, but of you know,
yacht rock, bit of eighties rock.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
I would have thought it a bit. It's a bit
like soft glam rock.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Well, a lot of it was.

Speaker 7 (01:13:51):
It was more.

Speaker 19 (01:13:52):
It was more of that than I thought. I mean,
it depends whether they're playing their late seventies stuff or
their early eighties stuff. But gee, they were good, good musicians.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
They How many of the songs? Did you know?

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Though?

Speaker 19 (01:14:01):
I knew about five, which maybe means I knew about
one more than.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Well then so hold the line Rosanna, Africa, Georgie.

Speaker 19 (01:14:09):
Paulgi Yeah, there's one called ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Oh you knew ninety nine? I didn't know that one.

Speaker 19 (01:14:15):
Yeah, And there's another one I forgot the name, but
it was sampled on a big house track in the
nineteen nineties. That one of the big slow ballads.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
You know what I've been listening to all day today,
the one that goes Pamela. Oh yeah, that was the
other one that.

Speaker 19 (01:14:28):
Some of it was classic hair metal, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Yeah, Pamela was cool and and it's always weird. You
go to a concert and you think, I mean, obviously
everybody loved Africa. That was just peak everything. But there's
always a weird song that you just love afterwards and
you thrash on the Spotify. So New Zealand's listening of
Pamela by Toto is going up today markedly. I bet
it's totally basted to me. And by the way, you've

(01:14:50):
written a the reason I'm asking you about this is
written a review.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
On the Herald.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Now, so your moon lighting some sort of a music
for Shionado for the Herald.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Yeah, Well they haven't there.

Speaker 19 (01:15:01):
They've got a very hip, young entertainment team, so there
hasn't got too many people wanting to do the dad rock.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Did nobody want to do the daggy Dads?

Speaker 6 (01:15:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
So I'm picking it a bit up and share it
with me. I'll do it with your heart out. Those
young ones don't know what they're missing out on? Was
there ever a time as good as Africa? By Toto
at Spark Arena last night. Now, listen, let's talk about inflation. Okay,
So I see consumer confidence has gone up, which is good,
But inflation expectations have gone up as well, and people
who are expecting inflation to go up are wrong.

Speaker 19 (01:15:28):
Well, yeah, that's kind of kind of the theory. They
might be proved right. Things might change, they might change,
but at the moment, consumers are still really feeling the
acute inflation pressure. I mean, there's no doubt about that.
And so the latest consumer confidence confidence was up a bit.
That's good, we'll take it. This is the A and
Z Roy Morgan consumer confidence. But yeah, consumers also said

(01:15:52):
they were worried about inflation. Now, you know, Sharon zol And,
the chief economist at A and Z, has sort of
written about this in a report. The point she's trying
to make, and I guess I've been trying to make
and a lot of people are trying to make, is
that inflation probably won't be a problem later this year.
And that's because we're expecting the economy is not going
to pick up as.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Much as hopeful it's going to take a bit of
a dive as a result of this.

Speaker 19 (01:16:13):
Well, I mean, it's hopefully not going back to recession.
But it's just that that you know that the upswing
that we're looking for is taking much longer, you know,
or all the turmoil around the world sort of that
the global growth being dampened just will have an effect
on New Zealand, even if there isn't direct impacts from
the town.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Now, does this thing call into question these surveys where
we go out and ask a bunch of normal punters
if they expect inflation to go up, and simply because
inflation is bad and Trump's tariffs are bad, they go, yeah,
is there any value in that?

Speaker 19 (01:16:43):
Well, I mean to the extent that they can be
self fulfilling. I mean that there's always questions about these surveys,
that's for sure. But you know, if consumers really believe something,
it affects their behavior and then the behavior goes and
you know, that's how spending goes. So if consumers think
things are improving, then maybe they'll get out and spend that. Yeah,

(01:17:03):
it's still still fairly low levels of confidence. But you
know that little bit of upswing was probably a good
thing on balance.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
What are you listening to on the way home?

Speaker 19 (01:17:12):
Oh, good question. I'll be on my bike. I can't
listen to anything on the bike.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
It's too dangerous. Does that really?

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Can you not drive and listen to.

Speaker 19 (01:17:19):
Music on the on the cycle?

Speaker 9 (01:17:21):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Yes? About a bicycle?

Speaker 19 (01:17:22):
Yeah, bicycle, because you've.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Got to leave the jacket on. I thought you were
cool and going on a motorbike.

Speaker 19 (01:17:26):
No, no, I'm not electric bike.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
No, it's probably better if you don't because we need
you to hear the cars.

Speaker 19 (01:17:31):
But yeah, it could have been. Toto could have.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Been if he didn't, if he wanted to die. Liam,
Thank you, go and enjoy your long weekend. That's Liam Dan,
the Herald's Business editor at large, and also Music Review
and our six twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
The Rule report with MSD Animal Health over then said
it's most popular cowcolo Either.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
As long as you are a Trump hater, you're reporting
over the next four years will be one sided. And
you wonder why the media is polling low in trust Terry, Terry,
I'm not a Trump hater. In fact, I have a
ridiculous tolerance. In fact, I'm not gonna lie. I think
I would enjoy a drink with Trump would I would
actually enjoy Trump's company. I very much enjoy coverage of Trump.

(01:18:12):
He makes me giggle a lot, and I'm hardly ever
offended by him. You know that business about grabbing the
women by the way little you know, we don't need
to go there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I wasn't offended. I was like, ah, okay, weird, but
that was about the extents. But I don't ate Donald
Trump at all. In fact, one of my greatest disappointments
in my life right now is that I don't personally
know the man, because I think he'd be a hoot
in person. But Terry, you'd have to be stupid to
think that what he's doing right now is going well
for him. I mean, you are deluded if you think

(01:18:42):
that this is working out well for him. So I'm
just going to put this back on you, Terry. Six
twenty four. Rowena Duncan of the Country's with me right now. Hey,
ro hey, Heather. Now what's the problem with the local cheesemakers?
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 20 (01:18:53):
So basically there's some of the supermarket private land label.
So their own brand cheeses are maybe increasing the competition
for some of our small producers. So we're talking to
brands like Pam's Value Will, We're sign a macro competing
on price, but they're also coming up with gourmet style
options too, so things like why Mutter Cheeses.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
They're out of Gisbon.

Speaker 20 (01:19:15):
They've cut back on production of Bri and Cammbierre, just
saying hey, we're having too much competition in this space,
so they're focusing now on the likes of their halloumi,
which has still got quite a bit of demand, white
Stone cheese. Out of Omrou, they're shifting more towards food service,
so that's your restaurants and bowld quarters, just to reduce
their reliance on the supermarkets. Because it's not just the supermarkets.

(01:19:36):
Of course, we've got that new Zealand EU Free Trade Agreement,
so cheap European specialty cheeses that are like highly automated,
they subsidized, which our farmers are not, and they're really
low cost and they are flooding the supermarket. And so
i'd seen, you know, one of my favorite cheeses from
when I farmed overseas in Wales on the supermarket shelves

(01:19:58):
here in New Zealand. I thought, del I love that cheese.
Now I'm actually seeing it from a different perspective and saying, hey,
if it's having this bigger impact, probably not a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
That's interesting. Yeah, a little bit of a heads up
to buy local if you care. Now what's going on
with the ballot blocks and ANZAC Day.

Speaker 20 (01:20:14):
Yeah, so one of the main things for rural New Zealand,
and we're looking at Anzac Day and the impact of
the war obviously had a huge impact in rural New Zealand,
as it did right around the country. But we lost
a lot of our farmers going overseas, and that's when
the women came through like you and I Hea. This
saved the day, started working the land. But when our
soldiers came back from New Zealand, those who maybe didn't

(01:20:35):
have farms to go back to, we had a balance system.
So it was part of the Discharged Soldiers Settlement Act
of nineteen ninety five and what it did was try
and reintegrate returning soldiers into civilian life. So it had
like a lottery style ballot if you want a parcel
of land that was carved off some of these big stations.
Some of it was Mardy land that was kind of
taken a bit under.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Force as well.

Speaker 20 (01:20:58):
They actually handed out land ise w was not everyone
was a farmer. They didn't always know what to do
with the land. And one of the most infamous ballot
blocks is from the Mungapurua Valley up the Wanganui River.
They basically looked at a map, drew some lines without
having seen the land, said good luck to you, and
that's how the bridge to know where came about. There
was a swing bridge. They decided to build a concrete

(01:21:19):
bridge and that was in about nineteen thirty six.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
But by the end the valley soil was.

Speaker 20 (01:21:24):
Really less fertile, and the last settlers walked off their
farms in nineteen forty two recognizing it was not farmable land.
It was much better in native bush row.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Thank you, I appreciate something to think about tomorrow. It's
Roe Duncan who's filling in on the country for Jamie MacKaye.
Heather Trump would not give you the time of day
because you have a face for radio. Well that may
be true. I mean true on both cap no true
only on one no only true on one count. No
be fair. I may have a face for radio. I'm

(01:21:55):
not going to deny that, but I think he would
still give me the time of day. Have you seen
soon z Wils who is his campaign chair. I mean
she's no oil painting, So be fair about it. Listen,
very quickly, very very quickly, tell you who's going to
do well out of this Trump war, this trade war,
because it's not everybody who's going to go down the gurgler,
and that's the retailers. Foresyth Bars done some analysis and
they reckon that if the trade war leads to China

(01:22:18):
flooding the rest of the world with its goods, we'll
obviously get a whole bunch of stuff cheaper than we
would otherwise, you know, not going to the US. Coming
to us, we pay less, and the retailers here will
buy it for less, but they will make that They
will just pocket the margin and it'll be a bigger margin.
And of all of the ones who will do well,
it's the warehouse group apparently, Sam Dicky's with us Next.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Six eight honing lit everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicyllen and Mares Insurance and investments,
grow your wealth, protect your future.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
These talks end be.

Speaker 15 (01:23:04):
A lot.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
We're going to talk about Auckland Airport. Auckland Airports my
most I'm just gonna tell you about Auckland Airport right now.
Why not? So Auckland Airport is really really happy today
because it got number four in a list for the
best airports in the world. I know what list is that, Well,
it turns out that it's the Skytracks ranked Airport's list
based on the numbers broken down by the numbers of

(01:23:32):
passengers going through the airports in such a way that
every single airport seems to get some sort of an award,
very similar to NCEEA. Everybody passes. So you've got a
separate list for the best airport that that manages to
get seventy plus million passengers through. Best airport ranging between
sixty to seventy million passengers, Best airport fifty to sixty million.

(01:23:53):
You see where I'm going with this best airport forty
to fifty million. It goes on and so everybody gets
an award, right, So Auckland Airport gets between ten to
twenty million passengers coming through and on that particular list
it comes in fourth and I know what you're thinking.
What wonderful airport's come in before Auckland. Well you'll have
been through them. Number one Helsinki, Vanta, number two Centre, Nagoya,

(01:24:20):
number three Houston, Hobby and Douber four Auckland. So yeah,
I think I made my point, didn't I? Twenty three
away from seven? Now, Donald Trump has this week been
attacking the chair of the Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell. Earlier
this week he said that Powell's termination cannot come soon enough.
Think he may have called him a major loser at
some stage. Then he later said he had no intention
of firing Powell, and now he's gone on to attack

(01:24:43):
Powell once again for keeping the interest rates too high. Now,
Sam Dicki from Fisher Funds has been watching all of
this play out, and he's with us, Hello, Sam.

Speaker 10 (01:24:49):
Good leaving Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
This stuff is silly from Trump, right, because having a
central bank that is independent is crucial, but particularly in
the US.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
That's right, it is critical.

Speaker 10 (01:25:00):
So the US Federal Reserve has two primary jobs, maximum
employment within reason, so without causing the economy to overheat.
And the second one is stable prices, so keeping inflation
around two percent and politicians incentives may run with that,
but mostly they'll often run counter that, and things like
being popular is more important to them. So central bank

(01:25:21):
is like pow. He remembers the nineteen seventies. He remembers
when President Nixon pressured the feed they caved and cut
interest rates early, and this was the primary cause of
the stagflationing crisis, where growth slowed and inflation shot through
the roof.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
So what's Trump playing at? Why is he doing this?

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Excellent question.

Speaker 10 (01:25:43):
I think it's just a pressure cocko tactic, And it's
not like he's the first politician globally to try and
pressure independent central banks and sort of democracies. But he
wants rate cuts now to boost the economy because he's
aware that US growth is going to be dragged lower
due to his own liberation tariffs. He conveniently forgot to
mention that and the uncertainty of liberation they will cause

(01:26:05):
businesses and consumers to sit on their hands and not spin.
Then as a result, like you said, he called power
major loser. But he is conveniently ignoring the inflation and
the impact of his own Liberation day tariffs.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
So I mean it's possible that what he's trying to
do is put pressure on Powell to do something. But
it's also possible that he is setting up, at least
in the public imagination, somebody else, like a scapegoat for
what's going to happen next.

Speaker 10 (01:26:31):
A blame game exactly. He's no stranger to playing those.
It's also like sort of yelling at a referee to
sway the game. You know it's wrong, it might work,
most often it doesn't, and at best you get frowned
upon by the other mums and dads.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Okay, so what does this mean for investors?

Speaker 10 (01:26:49):
We found his pain threshold again here that like we
discussed last week, So it wasn't equity markets, it was
the thirty year bond yields. And remember thirty year bond
yields reflects several things, long term growth, long term inflation,
and the risk premium on the US government as a borrower.
And they spiked higher again as just the width of

(01:27:10):
the US FED losing its independence and therefore credibility caused
those investors to put a higher risk premium on there.
And remember this hurts main street, So ninety percent of
mortgages in the US has set off those rates. So
he blinked and said, I never had the intention of
firing fed Chairpowe. I want him to be earlier, more
active on lowering rates and not late. But it's not

(01:27:31):
the end of the world if he doesn't cut rates.
So a complete backflip.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Yeah, it's such a weird time, Sam, Thank you so much,
as always, enjoy your long weekend. That's Sam Dickie Offiicier
Funds right now. It's twenty away from seven. Heather was
telling you on Tuesday about those twins who speak in unison.
Remember the twins in Australia who saw the carjacking in
their seven turned up an interview and they were talking
at exactly that same time. Well, they have gone I mean,

(01:27:55):
as you would imagine, because it's so weird, they've gone viral.
Loves them and they've got that thus gone so global
that even even Jimmy Kimmel Live called them up and
got them on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Thank you for making time time for us. I know
you're very far away, Yes, that's right. First of all,
how is your mother?

Speaker 6 (01:28:16):
Our mom is doing great, Yes, and you know what
she said that she's doing fine because she had seven.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Kids, random fact, seven kids, two of them are quite
weird anyway. So they go on to say that they
are aware that people find them talking in unison irritating,
but if people find them talking in unison irritating, they
just have to turn off the TV. And of course
they both said it at exactly the same time, didn't they.

(01:28:45):
It just continued to be weird. Hey, quickly, producer just
walked and put this in my hand statement from Scott
Simpson Dun Dun duham Ace and I'm just quoting. ACC
is operationally independent, But after considering the issue this afternoon,
I stop it. I've spoken to the chief executive and

(01:29:06):
I've asked ACC to have another look at the proposed tender.
So are they operationally independent? Then, Scott, it is important
that service delivery aligns with the cabinet circular and is
based on need. Oh, Scott, Scott, Scott, Scott, I mean,
it's good that you've done the right thing. So if
you haven't caught up on this, Scott's just changed his mind.

(01:29:29):
He thought it was awesome that ACC five minutes ago.
He thought it was awesome that ACC was targeting race
and not need. And then we gave him a bit
of a hard time on the show, and we talked
about it a lot, and now he's changed his mind
on it. I'm not going to take the credit for
it because also Newsroom also has been in touch and
been that's a dot code on his head. And also

(01:29:49):
the AX Party has given him obviously a bit of
grief for it, so he's getting a little bit of
pressure on it. And Scott, look, I want to say
thank you for coming around to doing what you said
you were going to do as a governing party. But
it's a pity that we have to do this thing
in public, isn't it. It would be much better if
it was just dealt with. You know, when you first
saw it, you just went acc that's not what we
told you to do, stop it. You just handled it

(01:30:11):
like that. That would be a lot better than us
having to just having this have this out in public.
But anyway we got there in the end, well done, Scottland.
We will be keeping an eye on it and making
sure that you follow through seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
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Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
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Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
News talks that'd be I just quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
We've been getting a lot of texts throughout the last
week while maybe the last hour or thereabouts about that
fire on the north shore in Auckland, because of course
a lot of people listening in Auckland. So I apologize
to the rest of the country. But if you're on
the social media, it's worth going to have a look
at what's going on. It is huge and apparently the
alerts have already gone out from the emergency management people
tell it. He's hoping people still pay attention to those alerts,

(01:30:58):
but the alerts have gone out saying what shout The
fire is huge. It is huge. Fourteen away from seven
and Indo Brady a UK correspondence with US.

Speaker 7 (01:31:05):
Hey and de hey, heaven lovely, let's speak to you again.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
So the UK wants a trade deal with the US.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Is it likely?

Speaker 7 (01:31:12):
No, in a word, and Rachel Reeves has pretty much
said that in her first interview. So it's day two
now of her in Washington, DC. She is the chancellor.
It is her job to get the economy moving again here.
Britain absolutely needs a trade deal with the United States,
but it's not going to happen quickly. And everyone's told
this before Brexfit. Even Barack Obama came out and said,

(01:31:32):
if you leave the European Union, you can go to
the back of the queue. Everyone wants a trade deal
with the United States. So here we are, all these
years later that has come to pass. So Reeves is
in America basically trying to build relationships, get the kind
of low down on the Trump administration, puts faces to
names and vice versa, and just shake some hands. But

(01:31:54):
ultimately there is not going to be a trade deal
this weekend. I mean Trump is actually traveling to Europe
anyway for the pub's funeral on Saturday, So it's an
exercise in bridge building, but the trade deal will not
be happening quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Hey did you see that London Marathon has come off Twitter?

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:32:10):
I did.

Speaker 7 (01:32:11):
This is very interesting and I'm not in any way surprise.
So this is Hugh Bracher who is the head of
the London Marathon. His dad founded it in the early eighties,
all those years ago, and it is the best day
of the year in London. It is one day I've
run at ten times and it is the one day
that really fills you with hope for humanity. You meet
people who have physical disabilities. You have people who are

(01:32:35):
running for loved ones who were ill or have passed away.
You meet people who've lost children, and everyone has one
common goal to raise as much money as possible, to
get across the finishing line as quickly as possible, and
just to get the medal. So I'm not in any
way surprise Brasier has taken the view his words that
Twitter or X or call it what you want has
descended into the gutter. So they stopped posting on X

(01:32:59):
and I say, good look to them. I mean, the
level of abuse on there.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Is just vile.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Do you still use it?

Speaker 7 (01:33:05):
No, I've come off it, and I think back to
I've reposted a couple of things recently, but I think
back to when I was badly sick in July twenty
one with COVID. I gave one interview on Irish radio
urging people to get the vaccine, and I got death threats.
I got abused every single day, and it still happens

(01:33:27):
now and it got even worse. So the London Marathon
that year was in October, and when I couldn't walk,
I was in bed for seven weeks, and when I
couldn't walk properly. I said to myself, if I can
get over this and get fit and get training again,
I'm going to run marathons till I drop. And I
booked two in the space of a fortnight. That October.
I went to Amsterdam, and then a couple of weeks

(01:33:49):
later I did London and I ran the two of
them in under seven hours combined. And the level of
abuse on Twitter was just off the scale. People accusing
me of having made it up and being a government stooge,
and who this guy's being paid by Big Pharma, and
then the really kind of nasty personal abuse as well.
But then, hey, you know, it's just people who've got

(01:34:11):
way too much time on their hands and hearts full
of hate.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Yeah, totally just got to come off at a DA
thank you so much, have yourself a lovely weekend. We'll
talk to you next week. That's end of Brady our
UK correspondent. I mean, this is the thing, like sorry,
but you know, it's my new thing. This is the
thing that I hate on the most at the moment
of social media. If you think about how hard that
is for grown ups to deal with the crap that
you get on Twitter. Imagine how hard it is for

(01:34:34):
kids under sixteen years old when they're already hormonal as
all hell. Like they're like more hormonal than a breastfeeding woman.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Like there's hormones all over the show. I mean, they
are more hormonal than perimenopausal women off the charts. Do
we want to be giving them social media new take
it away from them? Ban it. Speaking of banning, a
little bit more information on the food dies that were
banned by RFK, because I'm into this now, I'm quite
fascinated by it. So apparently he's not the only one
to take action on these food dies. In January, under

(01:35:01):
the Biden administration, the FDA over in the States obviously
banned a dye from being used in food. It was
called quite originally red dye number three, and red dye
number three is the dye that's used to give food
a cherry red color. So yeah, anyway that's been used,
it's been linked to cancer in animals, and so as
a result, it's been banned from being used in food

(01:35:22):
for humans. Also, back in ninety ninety, the same red
dye was banned from being used in cosmetics, and that
was because of a link, more specifically to thyroid cancer
in animals. Now, there's no evidence that red dye number
three causes cancer in humans, but there is a rule
that if it causes cancer, if it's linked to cancer
and animals, you don't put it in food or cosmetics
for humans, and blah blah blah, so it's gone. There

(01:35:44):
are studies that suggest that some of these dyes red
dye number three, red dye number forty, yellow dye number five,
and blah blah blah ah, these very original names, that
they are linked to things like hyperactivity and restlessness and
some neurological stuff in kiddy. Not all kids will be
affected by it, but some kids are sensitive to it,
and thus RFK has moved in got rid of them.

(01:36:05):
And you know what, why not? I mean, if it's
causing troubles and you don't need it and you can
use watermelon juice, then all power to you. Nine away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Very quickly, just because I know that you've been dying
to know how things are going. News flash, Gwyneth Paltrow's
eating bread again, I know to these people who are
like I am standing on one leg while brushing my
teeth for two minutes. I don't drink any coffee, I
don't drink any wine. I don't eat any meat. I
just inhale air and you should do it to how

(01:36:45):
annoying She was very annoying. She did a strict paleo diet.
She just ate whole foods, high protein like no carbs,
macrobiotic nonsense. Anyway, now she's gone full tilt the other way.
She's posted pictures of her eating past and burghers and
pizzas and just going hell for leather and because she
said at the time she was intoxicated by the idea

(01:37:06):
that she could eat very well and sort of control
how she felt and make herself feel better. But then
she's admitted what happened was I'm a little sick of it,
if I'm honest, and getting back into eatings some soured
dil bread and some cheese. There I said it, yeah,
water surprise that you were a little sick of it.
We were sick of hearing about it. So welcome back

(01:37:27):
to normal life, Gwyneth, Right, Okay, hit me with it.

Speaker 21 (01:37:30):
Ands what was that by Lord to play us out tonight.
This is the brand new one that she dropped three
hours ago, presumably the first and a new album.

Speaker 9 (01:37:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:37:38):
She hasn't made an announcement about that you just yet,
But and it looks like that whole stunt she did
at the part yesterday was actually her filming the music video,
because the music video follows a very similar thing where
she walks through the streets of New York and then
ends up in that part with all these people around
seeing the lyrics c Yeah, yeah, very good.

Speaker 6 (01:37:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:37:54):
The song seems to be up with missing your Ex,
so not exactly breaking new ground, but it's a banger,
so there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
So she has had a lot of praise on the
internet's about this, but I'm gonna be honest with you.
I'm reading this to you because I don't understand what
they're saying. Para logic on YouTube, who's just a punter?
I don't know who she is and they is I
don't know says this MV is almost not an MV.

(01:38:20):
It evokes the kind of vibe that the videos that
you and your friends made on vacation, the vloges Quarantine
Ramblings from who even knows how many years ago. It
feels so anti commercial, it feels so personal, it feels
the battal ye's so basic. It feels amazing. That's praise.

Speaker 9 (01:38:38):
Yeah, they're saying this is a good music video. It
feels very authentic.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
Thank you, and she and you should often.

Speaker 21 (01:38:47):
Could have improved the word economy on that post. I
think yeap.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Maria on Twitter for a decade, the girls have been
trying to reference her sound, so she had no choice
but to recycle melodrama beats. Oh Lord, the mother, that
you are the prodigy, that you are full stop.

Speaker 9 (01:39:00):
It sounds like her old stuff.

Speaker 21 (01:39:01):
But that's good anyway, because her old stuff was good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
I would not have got that out of that okay anyway,
So there we go, Lord's back and enjoy it because
she's out there representing the house and she's doing well.
We grew her, so we're gonna we're gonna glow in that.
In forty years, Australia is gonna try and steal her
like they did Crowded Ours. We're gonna have fights about it,
but we're just gonna love her forever. See you next week.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
We're gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
Enough by.

Speaker 9 (01:39:53):
The last.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
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