Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive Full Show Podcast: 23 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither
duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.
You stop, said b.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
Labor has apologized to mayors and counselors for Chris lux
and giving them a bollocking. We're going to ask Kieran McNaughty,
why did they say sorry after five tough year for
spark Net profit is down in a big way. We'll
speak to the CEO. Carmela's officially accepted the nomination. We're
going to go to Chicago and it's Shawn Johnson's last
big game tonight, so we'll have a chat to the

(00:35):
sports huddle about that.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Heather Duplicy, l I.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hate wasteful spending as much as you do, but I'm
just not getting excited about the money that's been spent
on that dance competition. I just don't think that the
comparisons between the money that was put into that and
the nonsense that counsels get up to our fair. I mean,
that is certainly what the Taxpayers Union is trying to say.
They're making the comparison. They're pretty hot under the collar
about it, and they've suggested the government can hardly tell

(01:00):
councils one day to rain and their spending and then
the very next day have one of their ministers, Melissa
le Go and spend seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars
worth of taxpayer money on bringing a global dance competition
to Auckland. But it's just not the same thing by
any stretch. I mean, what the councils are doing is
that chucking money into stuff that does nothing, It returns nothing.

(01:20):
An expensive bike crack that no one uses, that's just
sunk money. You're not going to get money out of that.
It's just sunk money. It's just sitting there now. A
garden on the roof of a bus hub, that's just
money gone. That's not going to make you any more money.
A cycle way even it's just wasted money if no
one uses it. But putting money into a dance competition
actually returns money because it brings people from around the

(01:42):
world to Auckland where they then spend money. So that's
seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars spend by central government
is estimated to bring New Zealand, not counting Auckland, just
New Zealand around Auckland three million dollars. Now it's not
a lot, three million dollars, but then neither, frankly, is
seven hundred fifty on the event. Right, Just put a
little bit and you get a little bit back. And Frankly,

(02:03):
the Taxpayers Union knows this. They know that this is
how events work around the world. People only come here
if you pay for them. The FIFA World Cup last year,
we paid for that to come here. Barcelona paid to
take or wherever it went. In the end, the America's
Cup off us right wherever it goes, that place is

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taking it because they're spending for it. You basically have
to subsidize them in order for them to come. This
is just how events work. That's why we have a
thing called a Major Events Fund. That is the fund
that Melissa ly was using. That's what it's for. Now.
I'm happy to have a debate about whether Auckland Council
should have stumped up what it put in, because it's
only put It's putting in seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

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which is the same amount of central government, but it's
only getting an estimated one million dollars back in return.
Now that's a little bit on the line as to
whether they're actually going to get their money back. But
the government's contribution is not throwing money away. It's an
investment and that's very different to what councils are doing.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Heller do for see Allen.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Two is the text number. We'll speak to viv Beck,
heart of the city about that. She's with us after
half past five. Now, get a load of this. For
the first time in twenty years, the number of cafes
and restaurants in this country has gone backwards. It is
a small drop, and what it means is we've got
now around about nine thousand cafes and restaurants. But nine
thousand cafes and restaurants is still twice as many as

(03:22):
we had in two thousand. That's the year two thousand.
By the way, chef and restaurateur Al Brown has with me.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Now, hey, ol, maybe we need some more events.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Do you think so? Well? Do you know what that's
not about? Idea? And actually we don't have enough events
in Auckland at the moment, do we Well.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
The money that comes in hopefully goes into the coffers
of the hard work and cafes and restaurants and pubs
around the town as well as everything.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Else well exactly now in one of the arguments about
why we're seeing this drop in cafes and restaurants is
that we just have too many. Do we have too many?

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Ah, look all the people who are operating with I
think we have too many. Look, it's it's exciting what's
happened in New Zeland over the last sort of twenty
thirty years. We've got such a great food scene and
now we have restaurants that as good as anywhere else
in the world. But you know, there's only so many
dollars to go around. You know, since COVID, thirty percent

(04:19):
of people are working from home evidently still, so if
you're a breakfast and lunch operation, that's kind of thirty
percent off the bottom line. So it's a it's you know,
I've always sad it's a bit of a mug's game,
but it's it's also something that we love and it's
you know, it's part of our favor of the country
and we love going out for dinner.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Even before we had people staying home and working from
home and COVID and all of that stuff, that happened
to us. The margins were really tight, right, This is
a conversation about whether we've got too many. And it's
been going on for years, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah? Oh look, yeah, I just I really don't know
what the answer is because people keep opening them. But
if they are, some are dropping off, or it's turned Finally,
maybe people are getting to sort of understand that it's
a lot harder to make it back in our game
than a lot of other businesses, that's for sure. I think,
you know, the thing is sort of in the past,

(05:14):
sort of Jim and Sally, who loved throwing dinner parties
and in the tech business and made a whole lot
of money, think, oh, why don't we open a restaurant,
And I think lots of people go in pretty naive understanding.
You know that everything has to be incredibly tight with
all your cost centers, and you know it's not just
about putting food on a plate and great service, but

(05:36):
you definitely got to have all of those, but you've
got to have good bookkeeping.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Now, what do you reckon? What are you seeing in
terms of people spending at the moment. Are they still
spending in good quality places or not even there.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Oh look, yeah, I no, no, I mean it's pretty
dimb out there, to be honest, most of us, you know,
compared to what it used to be. We hope that
it's turned in the cash rais and all that sort
of thing is going to get people coming out. I
used to think that the hospital was was, you know,
kind of you know, recession proof in a sense that

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people maybe didn't buy a car or fridge or go
overseas a right unto their house, but they still wanted
a cup of coffee in the bagel or go out
for dinner. So but this is the first time that
I think it's really hurt everyone, and especially the store
warts and that have been in the game for a
long long time.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
You know, we're the toughest you've seen.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Well thest question, do you reason why is this one
the worst?

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Well, you know, you know, I wonder, you know, it's
crisis and all the all the talks doom and gloom
and people are you know, everything's going up, and rent's
going up and and and so people you know, I
think sometimes you know when they added you know, sort
of the doom merchants out there, But you know, once
it turns and the days start getting longer and and

(06:57):
just rate strap and bits and pieces, hopefully people to
start to smile and get a bit more positive again
and get out there.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, and when people are like the people who are
coming in, are they cutting back on how much they're
spending or if you go in, do you still spend
the same amount because it's a treat.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Look, I think the people that it's a treat to
go out, they are sort of you know, they're not
probably buying, you know, the middle bottle of wine and
the wine less, the more to the to the front,
or the cheaper bottle, that sort of thing. And they're
probably not eating oysters, but you know, they're eating forloffel
or you know, something that's a little bit cheaper on

(07:34):
the menu. But they still you know, it's not just
about eating. And you know, we're in the entertainment game
and getting out and being in a space that's convivial
and fun and having a bottle of wine. You're catching
up with people. It's something that we love and we
still want to do it even if we had to
cut it back a bit.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, it's good to talk to you. Made the best
of luck. You haven't got long to go before all
of this turns around and we're all spending again. That's
ol Brown Chef and restareate to By the way, do
I have an update on the oyster story? Remember the
oyster story with the mates who got sick in the
well in the middle of the night and the whole
I got an update. And have we caused trouble in

(08:12):
New Zealand. Let me tell you about that. I'll tell
you about that shortly. Starbucks ooh, Starbucks is in trouble
with the greenees. Because the trouble with Starbucks is that
they said a little public target, like all the you know,
like every corporate out there who wants to green wash
and pretend to be awesome. They set a little public
target for themselves to reduce the carbon emissions by half
by twenty thirty. And they were like, Oh, we're so great,

(08:34):
look at how great we are. Not really, because they've
just signed a new CEO on and they are not
forcing him to relocate to take the job. That generally
is what you do when you've got a really big
job like that, You're like, you can have the job
with squallions dollars of pay but you have to live here. No, no,
They were like, no, no, it's okay. You can stay
in Newport Beach, California and you can just commute I

(08:55):
don't know, daily, weekly, whatever to your job in Seattle.
One thing two hundred k's. But even worse, they're giving
him the company jet to use, so they are I
don't know how many reusable cups, and SOI late is
they going to have to be selling just to undo
the damage that he's doing burning up the climate like that?
But they are doing a lot of harm, don't you think.

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Sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for business.
US dogs at b Sport with tab get your bed
on are eighteen bed responsibly?

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Heather. I had a bad experience at a restaurant a
few weeks ago, so I sent them an email. The
very high profile owner himself phoned me from his holiday
in Europe to apologize. All forgiven with that kind of response,
but just goes to show how hungry they need to
be to keep the customers happy and coming back. But
you will go back, right, And so the job is done.
And yes, you're absolutely right, they are really really having
to hustle at the moment. Nineteen past four and Jason

(09:53):
Pine Weekend Sport hosters with me.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
A Poney, Hello head Piney.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
There's a part of me that is sad that Shaun
john Sin's career has ended the way that it has.
Do you feel the same?

Speaker 5 (10:04):
I do, Yes, I do, And I think when with
the passing of time in a few years, when we
look back at the career of Sewn Johnson, I wonder
whether we'll remember more fondly what we will twenty twenty
three Shawn Johnson, you know, the Shawn Johnson who took
the Warriors to within a game of the Grand Final,
And well, you can never write your script and sport
there are occasionally fairy tales, but more often there are

(10:27):
not happily ever afters. And it hasn't been a happy
season for Seawn Johnson with his injuries and the team's form.
But you'd like to think that perhaps a there was,
you know, at least a happy ending at Mount Smart
tonight when he runs out for the last time, I'm
sure he'll get an amazing ovation, amazing reception from the
fans who have enjoyed watching him play for over a decade.

Speaker 6 (10:47):
There.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
I don't know whether they'll win the game. The Bulldogs
are a good team and are well and throughly in
the hut of the top four. But I would just
like to think that it will be a good occasion
for Sean and who knows, maybe he's got one more
of those those dazzling matches that we know he's he's
had so many of maybe he's got one more, and
maybe that will be tonight.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Do they do anything special for him, Like, is there
some sort of like a guard of honor or something.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Well, I've renamed the whole stadium, so that's just that's cool.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I mean, that's not bad, is it.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Yeah? I get the feeling you'll get exactly that he'll
he'll get Yeah, he'll run out probably, you know, with
his with his family. I would say a guard of honor,
that sort of thing from both sides. I think they'll
they'll well and truly acknowledge him. I think if I'm if,
I don't know Shawn Johnson at all, but I'd imagine
he just want to get the game on, get it underway,
and then and then do all the sort of festivity
stuff afterwards. But yeah, I'm sure they'll make it special

(11:36):
for him, and rightly so he's been He's been a
terrific player across a long time in the NRL for
the Warriors, so I think he deserves every every scend
off he gets tonight.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Okay, so panas and are we going to see Liam
Lawson finally get a full time if one drive next year?

Speaker 7 (11:51):
Sounds like it.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Yeah, although I've done a little bit of digging into this.
This is Helmet Marco. He's an advisor to the Red
Bull teams in Formula one. He said this morning or night,
Liam Lawson will definitely get a seat next year. Now
what that means is that across the two Red Ball teams,
somebody has to leave because there are already four drivers
in those four seats. So you start to look at
who that might be. Max the staffan isn't going anywhere.

(12:13):
He's obviously the top of the pile. Serjo Pierres, Daniel Ricardo,
Yuki Sonoda are the other three. So I think this
has been compelled by the fact that in September next month,
if Liam Lawson doesn't have the guarantee of a full
time seat, next year he can leave red Ball, and
I don't think they want him to leave because they
see the promise that he has, so it's almost like
they have to find a place for him otherwise this

(12:34):
will be in somebody else's seat.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Interesting, that's a very good point, actually, Piney, thank you
very much, appreciate it's Jason Pine We can sport host.
He'll be back tomorrow midday all the way through to
three o'clock. OMG, Heather is Labour going to apologize to
the bloody rate pays as well? For God's sake, Grow
up Labor. Laura nailed it, am I right, This is
exactly what it's like. It's quite It's a binary choice.
It is quite frankly binary. You are either on the

(12:59):
side the counselors and the mayors who want to just
fritter money away on everything, or you are on the
side of the frustrated ratepayers. You can't be on both sides.
So Luxein's come out very cleverly. And I don't always
praise his political judgment, but in this case he's bang on.
He's gone on the side of the ratepayer and gone
sorted out guys. So what's Chippy done? I'm on the

(13:20):
side of the counselors and the mayors and he disrespected you,
which immediately Mate puts you not on my side. So
quite why they've done this, I don't know, but I
cannot wait to talk to Karen MacNulty about it after
five four twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
The name you trust to get the answers you need
Heather Duplessy Allen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get
connected and you talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Carmeler's officially got the job as the Democrats' neme and
nominee to run for president. I accept your nomination.

Speaker 8 (13:49):
In the United States of America.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Can you even hear her? The Crown's loving her so loud,
it's so loud. I accept your nomination, but you can't
hear her. So I have to do the impersonation for you.
It's coming up twenty six pass four. Listen what we're
we just talking about the closure of restaurants and got
another one for you. Porney in Commercial Bay in Auckland
has today announced that last night was its last. That's it.
They did last night shut? Oh hold on, no, did

(14:14):
wednesday shut? Yesterday? Announced it? Yesterday We all found out
about it today and so the list is quite enormous.
It's like Madame George and Auckland SPQR in Auckland Homeland,
Lord of the Fries, Pilkington's and then Wellington. Notable ones
are Field and Green Shepherds. Here Kai Place all gone,
all gone. The whole lot of them just decided to

(14:36):
close down. Okay, here's the because of the how bad
the situation is. Here's the story. Here's the update on
the oysters. So it was the oysters that made my
friend sick. And that's the only reason I wasn't sick
when they were sick, because I didn't feel like eating slimy,
slimy weird things on that particular day. I was like, no,
thank you very much. And so thank god they had norovirus.
How do you get neurovirus from oysters? You get it

(14:57):
because somebody put too much human pooh in the water
around the oysters. Now these oysters are I'm guess that Cleveden.
So where are they are they?

Speaker 9 (15:06):
Why?

Speaker 10 (15:06):
Heckere?

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I don't really know. I feel like they may come
from whye Hecka. Anyways, I was thinking about the geography.
I know we've got a lot of human pool in
the water in Auckland. But I feel like on that side,
probably they're a little bit spared, so it may I
don't know, maybe somebody just opened the boat. Now they
do that, They're like, nobody's gonna notice. Well, yeah, went
into the oysters, and my friends ate it anyway. So

(15:27):
because we let the authorities know, like you're supposed to,
it has become a massive kerfuffle to the extent now
that we have been called up and told they have
shut down a five thousand strong oyster bed for testing,
so they're doing all of that now. My friends, now
the Facebook messenger group has gone nuts and they feel
really bad for it. But I just I keep and
they're like, oh, look at the kerfuffle that we've caused.

(15:48):
We're causing all these people economic pain. I'm like, no,
what you've done is you've potentially saved a lot of
people from getting sick. So I just want to say
to your New Zealand, you're welcome. It was me I
saved you. If you love your oysters, you're probably less
likely to get sick. Because I knocked on So I
don't even know who I knocked on, but I knocked
on them, so you're welcome headlines next, Oh you scared

(16:11):
to start.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home, hither duper c Allen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and news
talk said.

Speaker 10 (16:24):
Be bloodstuff forgetted your truck?

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Great?

Speaker 11 (16:29):
Did you put your money did? It's fun, but there's
a well and there's a way.

Speaker 8 (16:35):
I'm not sure you're lasting Segabat.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Just question your carsus.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Whether you're completely correct on what you said about the
dance competition and the money been put in by the
central government. That's from James who's on the Hotel Council.
We've actually said confirmation that the organizers of the dance
competition are actually going to be talking to us, so
they'll be with us in an hour's time. We're going
to go to Chicago very shortly and then Barrisopa will
wrap the politics for us of the day. We're getting
a little bit more detail on why Leon McDonald left

(17:04):
the All Blacks. Somebody has been speaking to the media
behind the scenes, so it's given a little bit of,
you know, a little bit of a full story there
or maybe the other side of the story. I'm going
to run you through that very shortly. It's twenty four
away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's the world wires on news talks.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
It'd be drive so as I said. Karmala Harris has
accepted the Democratic Party's nomination for president. In Chicago, Michigan
Governor Gretchen Whitmer, who has been talked about as a
future presidential candidate herself, said in her speech that Karmala
Harris is much more relatable than Donald Trump.

Speaker 12 (17:35):
Donald Trump doesn't know you at all.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
You think he understands that when your car breaks down
you can't get to work. No, his first word was
probably chauffeur. It's not all peace and love outside though,
because right outside pro Pealestinian protests have continued. The Muslim
Women for Harris group has disbanded to protest the fact

(18:02):
that no Palestinian Americans were invited to address the convention.
A Palestinian activist in Chicago says that the Democratic Party
has made a grave miscalculation by not including any Palestinian speakers.

Speaker 13 (18:14):
This simple, fair minded, reasonable request to have a Palestinian
speak at the men stage, on the main stage, at
this critical juncture when over forty thousand Palestinians have been
killed with US made weapons and US tax money, and
you're not even giving them the platform to speak their narrative.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
And finally, do not panic. But you would if you
saw a German warship sailing down the River Thames and
London blasting this song from its speakers, because that's what
was going on. Now, obviously you know this. This is
the song that plays every time Darth Vader and the
Evil Galactic Empire show up. The warship's commander says he

(18:55):
only played the song because he's a big Star Wars fan.
There is no deeper message there.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
The Germans wouldn't do that to us, would they, Laura, No,
Germans wouldn't do Laura as German, Germans wouldn't do that.
She assures us it's absolutely fine and completely trust them.
Simon Marx, us correspondent out of the convention in Chicago
with US, now is.

Speaker 7 (19:19):
Simon, how are you?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Hev I'm very well, thank you mate. Now listen. Kamala
Harris's speech was boring, wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
Well?

Speaker 14 (19:28):
I think that she did what she had to do
in part. And I think it was a complicated speech
because she really needed to dwell on her biography. I mean,
the delegates in the hall, of course knew who Kamala
Harris was, but she was really reaching that television audience
from coast to coast that may not have been plugged
in to her personal story. So the speech was a

(19:48):
bit hamstrung by the fact that she had to spend
so much time explaining who she was, where she had
come from, what she'd done. And then she got to
the meat and potatoes of the speech, which was to
draw a very stark contrast between herself and the relatability
that Gretchen Whitmer was talking about there and Donald Trump,

(20:09):
who she absolutely portrayed as someone who is poised, if
he wins reelection and the second term in the White
House if he wins the election, campaign is poised to
ride roughshod over all of America's democratic checks and balances
implement this project twenty twenty five that, of course, Trump
says he's had nothing to do with, even though there's

(20:30):
copious amounts of evidence to suggest that people close to
him have been involved in writing it, and absolutely rolled
back the checks and balances that lie at the heart
of American democracy. But by contrast with some of the
other soaring rhetoric that we heard during the week, Barack Obama,
Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, even her own running mates Tim

(20:53):
Walls twenty four hours ago, there's no doubt that this
was a slightly less rousing speech than perhaps some Kamala
Harris supporters would have wanted to hear.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
The thing is Simon. Thus far, the momentum around who
seems to have been created by people around her, right,
and it's the Oprah's and the Obamas, and the Bidens
and the Pelosi's all sort of reflecting their glory onto her.
Yet she it's quite notable that she hasn't done any
interviews yet. So is it possible that actually she is

(21:25):
the weak link?

Speaker 14 (21:27):
Well, I think that there's a big question, right what
happens next? I mean, let's give them their evening here.
They're still picking up the balloons in the arena, you know,
the consetti is still being vacuumed done, and Kamala Harris
is actually still addressing groups of supporters on the fringes
of the convention here in Chicago. But the real question is,

(21:47):
first of all, how much of a bounce in the
polls does she get out of this convention, Does she
get the three to five percent improvement in the polls
that Democrats would consider a considerable victory, And how do
she perform out in the country, because now the blitz
begins fewer than seventy five days until election day. Every

(22:07):
single one of them, Kamala Harrison, Tim Walls need to
be focused on those all important battleground states that will
decide the outcome of this election, and we're going to
find out whether her relatability passes the test. I mean,
there were very few specifics in this speech about what
she actually plans to do. She says she's going to

(22:28):
create an opportunity economy, She's going to build an economy
for the middle class. Very little taught, by the way
about working class. Lots of talk about the middle class.
But when she gets on the campaign trail and when
she sits down with television interviewers, so at some point
she's going to have to do how relatable does she
prove to be and how fleet of foot is she

(22:51):
going to be when dealing with Americans, you know, at
that kind of retail level of politicking, and that's an unknown.
They've done themselves a huge favor this week as a party,
there's no question about that they will secure some kind
of a bounce in the polls. But how do you
maintain and even extend it? That's the next.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Act, That's exactly right, Yeah, that should be their concern. Hey,
what happened to Beyonce and Tita?

Speaker 14 (23:18):
I have absolutely no idea, and it is quite bizarre, actually,
I mean, I think the Taylor Swift thing was never
going to happen, But there were credible reports that beyoncey
was not only coming to Chicago, but in fact, some
reporters were told was in the building. And there were
tantalizing moments during the day when as they were doing

(23:40):
all of the sound checks ahead of tonight, you know,
there were singers on stage practicing Beyonce numbers. There was
a group of drummers that some Beyonce fans said maybe
part of her act that you know, she has this
drum line that she's performed with before. And given the

(24:03):
ubiquitous nature of the reporting about all of this, it
is curious that the convention managers did not just simply
damp it down. I mean, By contrast, there was one
rumor that George W. Bush might be the mystery guest
and was going to walk on the stage and endorse
Kamala Harris. And immediately the people at the George W.
Bush Foundation down in Texas said that is absolutely flatly false.

(24:28):
It's not true. So there are questions tonight about why
the Democrats allowed this rumor about Beyonce to hang out
there in the wind. They could have shut it down
earlier in the day and said we don't need Beyonce.
Kamala Harris is a big enough star. There are some
suggesting tonight that maybe this was all a ruse to
drive viewership to the television sets all over the country

(24:52):
in a bid to get people that might otherwise not
have tuned in for Kamala Harris's speech to watch it.
But how machiavellian would that be.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
It's pretty crazy. Simon, thank you very much. I've always
enjoyed your work. Appreciated the Simon marks Us correspondent here
the Carmela's speech was not boring, you typify the New
Zealand media. Well, I don't know. Listen, We'll listen to
some Carmela's speech. In about half an hour time, half
an hour's time, and then compare that, for example, to
Michelle Obama's yesterday, and I think it's pretty flat by contrast.

(25:21):
Janick Sinner, we're going to talk about that with the
sport Huddle. Sport Hudle is going to be with us
about twenty away from six. I've had some I've had
some opinion served to me that I was far too
eager to come to his defense and be like, obviously
he should be allowed that stupid just the Massu's had
it on their hands, right, And that may have been
naive of me. So we'll discuss it with the sports

(25:41):
huddle shortly. Well, when I say shortly, I meant in
an hour's time, Barry Soaper is shortly quarter.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Two Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get payments, certainty.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Barry Soper, Senior political Correspondence with US. Now, Hey Barry,
good afternoon. He Harry. We're having a debate about where
the Carmala's speech was boring.

Speaker 9 (25:56):
Well, you know, by comparison to the lead up, I
guess you'd say, you know, it was a downbeat. But
like your correspondent said, and I totally agree with him
that she wasn't playing to the audience, basically preaching to
the converted in the Democrats auditorium. She was playing to
the wider public because they would have tuned in to

(26:18):
see what sort of person that is standing for the
United States presidency. The warm up was fascinating Mark Kelly.
He was an American politician retired astronaut. Kelly said the
alternative to Kamala Harris would be embarrassing for the United States.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
The world laughs at Trump literally, but folks, it is
not funny.

Speaker 15 (26:45):
When he was president.

Speaker 9 (26:47):
That meant the world was laughing at us, and that
was one view. And then Adam Daniel Kinsinger, now you'll
be aware of him. He was a Republican representative, and
of course he's changed color.

Speaker 7 (27:02):
Now.

Speaker 9 (27:03):
Kinzing has said the Republican Party has been hijacked and
certainly isn't the party that he once represented.

Speaker 16 (27:08):
The Republican Party is no longer conservative. It has switched
its allegiance from the principles that gave it purpose to
a man whose only purpose is himself.

Speaker 9 (27:22):
And then it was Kamala's turn. She again zeroed in
on the Democrats public enemy number one.

Speaker 15 (27:31):
He would use the immense powers of the presidency, not
to improve your life, not to strengthen our national security,
but to serve the only client he has ever had himself.

Speaker 9 (27:50):
So that was a common theme at the Democrats convention,
not surprisingly, but you know, she had to present help
and explain I think to the public who she was,
where she came from, Indian mother, Jamaican father. I think
she did quite well on that score.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, I can see, yeah, I can see how that
does make it a little bit more boring if you're
not trying to hype up the crowd, but you're actually
trying to speak to the nation. Listen, who's calling David
Seymore an idiot?

Speaker 9 (28:19):
Oh well, you'd have to question who is the idiot,
And it's took Orangi Morgan, who of course was a
former television journo. He said, the Treaty Principal's Bill, he
came out today and said that it's being promoted by
a political idiot who's trying to modernize a document that

(28:39):
will make the eighteen forties signing a nullity, he said,
if the bill did go past its first reading, and
you remember he sounded off at the King's coronation birthday
the other day. Morgan says the resulting protest action would
be at a level never seen in the history of

(29:00):
this country before. It sounds a bit like Donald Trump,
but you know he speaks on behalf of the king,
which I find quite incredible. And of course he's the
chairperson of the Waikato Tanui Ewi and they now have
about two point four billion dollars worth of asset, so

(29:21):
a lot of power behind those words.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
What do you make of the Taxpayers Union having a
crack at the government for putting that money into the dancecalls?

Speaker 9 (29:29):
Well, look, I think they totally miscalled it that. I
think Luxon did exactly the right thing, accusing the councils,
even though they hated it, of spending a lot of
ratepayers money on things that shouldn't they shouldn't spend it on.
And I see Hipkins apologize on to the councils today.

(29:51):
But the ratepayers came out with and I think that
the Taxpayers Union came out with the top five paid
chief executives around councils around the country today, the top
has paid six hundred and forty eight thousand, much more
than what the Prime Minister is and you know, even
the lowest paid is not on a bad salary. He's

(30:12):
the guy that runs the Chattamarlands Council. How much do
you know what he's paid? Two hundred and twenty thousand
dollars a year?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Do you know the.

Speaker 9 (30:21):
Population many, seven hundred and seventy people.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
How much he's doing again to twenty.

Speaker 9 (30:26):
It's about three hundred dollars ahead.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Divided by how many people seven.

Speaker 9 (30:29):
Hundred hundred, about three hundred bucks one.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Hundred and fifteen bucks. Yeah, it was three hundred and
fifteen bucks every single week if you paid, because it's annually,
that's an annual salary. I mean, that's that's a lot
of money, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (30:41):
So money to be running in and you know you
look around the country and the money is big for
the councils. That's what they taxpayers union should be concentrating on,
not events that can benefit the economy, as the dance
competition will do.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Barry, thank you very much, really appreciate it very so.
Per senior political correspondent. Will be back to wrap the
political week that was at about quarter past six, seven away
from five.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Digging into the issues that affect you. The Mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (31:08):
Is it a razor led thing. I'm the head coach.
Therefore I get what I want and if you can't
fit him with that, you must go.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Is that how it worked generally?

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Well, I'd be loveing to be a part of that.

Speaker 17 (31:18):
I can't see how you can say he will be
in a seat. But the decision will be made in
December of the September of the decision hasn't been back anyway.
The good news is William gets to back Monday from
six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the Rain drove
of the last news talk ZB Hey.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Bit of a decision here from the Court of Appeal
which is ruled about a class action involving two big banks.
This is A and Z and ASB. And basically what
they're saying is that there are potentially one hundred thousand
customers of A and Z and ASB who are going
to be part of the class action unless they say
they don't want to be part of the class action.
So you're automatically in if you have been affected by

(31:56):
a failure. I think to refund interest and fees to tens,
tens and tens and tens of thousands of customers, we're
going to get the legal take on it ten past five,
because this is shaping up to potentially be one of
the biggest class actions in the country. We'll get all
the details very shortly for you. Were also gonna have
a chat to Kieran MacNulty, the Labor Party's local government spokesperson,
about why they're siding with councils against rape payers. That's nuts,

(32:18):
isn't it anyway? So here's more details on what's been
going on with Leon MacDonald and why he left the
All Blacks media are reporting that it's understirred that Leon
MacDonald felt scapegoated when fingers were pointed internally, and it
seems that it's got to do with the loss against
the Argies and when fingers when they lost against the Argies,

(32:38):
and people saying he felt that he was being blamed
for it. Now that pressure apparently already existed, but it
was made worse by the pressure of having lost to
the Argies. Leon was apparently also much more of a
Joe Schmidt guy than a Scott Robertson guy. Now that's
a surprise to me because I thought that the pair
of Razor and Leon went way back and were already

(33:00):
moving against Fozzy ages ago. But apparently it's understood that
Joe Schmidt was thinking about making a run at the
All Blacks job last year, and instead of Leon McDonald
pushing Raizer, he was actually pushing Joe Schmidt to go
and go for a run. So his preference would have
been to work for Joe Schmitt, but he ended up
working for raizor Robinson, and apparently that's why things fell apart.

(33:20):
That's one side of the story that's certainly been told
to the media. We're gonna have a chat to the
sports huddle about that though, with us twenty away from
six right now, it's coming at five o'clock.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.
Heather due to Celan Drive with One New Zealand, let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Afternoon. Labor leader Chris Hipkins has apologized to mayors and
counselors for the way that the Prime Minister Chris Luxon
told them off this week when he told them to
reign in their spending.

Speaker 18 (34:02):
It's all very well to describe a community swimming pool
as a nice to have if you have a pool
in your own backyard. Most New Zealanders are not that privileged.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Labour's local government spokesperson care and Macanulty's with me. Now, Hey, Karen,
how I'm very well, thank you. Why are you guys
choosing to side to the councils over rate payers?

Speaker 7 (34:25):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (34:25):
I don't think that's a fair question. I think it's
a case of the rating system is unsustainable. It's not
such a purpose. The government had a chance to fix
it and they didn't and the result is unsustainable rape.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, but why are you apologizing for a message that
the vast majority of rate players rapays would have been.

Speaker 6 (34:41):
Imploreding I'm saying that we're on the side of councils,
we want to fix the rating system, we want to
work with them. That would have been an appropriate message,
making it harder for councils and impossible other than just
raising rates and then turning around and blaming councils. That's
where in apology it should it come from.

Speaker 7 (35:01):
Chris Lucky.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
But Karen, are you saying you don't think that councils
are doing anything wrong here with their spending.

Speaker 6 (35:07):
I've sat with counsels, I've met with them, all around
the country. I've seen the anks that they have had
to go through in their long term planning and the
effort that they've made to try and limit rates increases.
The fact of the matter is the rating system stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, I'm agreeing with you on that. I'm not disagreeing
with you on that. But ratepayers up and down this
country are looking at the crap that they're spending money
on and we are very cross with them. And we
think a lot of us will think that what Chris
Luxon said was bang on, So why are you apologizing
for it?

Speaker 6 (35:35):
What Chris Luckson is doing is shifting the blame and
responsibility from government onto councils, knowing that in two to
three years time, rates is going to be the biggest
issue facing that Karon.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
It's not the government who's building living gardens on the
roof of the bus stop or spending eighty four thousand
dollars on a bike rack on Oriental Parade. That's the council.
They deserve the blame.

Speaker 6 (35:58):
I can sit here all afternoon and you could list
out all the examples that you think is lacil spending
and we could agree on what that is. And yet
it won't make a dent in the fundamental issue facing councils.
This is the problem, is that the examples that the
National Party are giving and you're giving in others isn't
actually touching the surface when you've got over eighty percent

(36:19):
of the expenditure on roads and pipes and they still
can't afford to do it.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
I agree with you in read, but is it not
fair for him to say, if you want more money
to deal with this stuff, you have to prove that
you can spend it wisely, which is what he said.
What is wrong with that?

Speaker 6 (36:34):
That is not what he said. That is what they
subsequently said when they realized they missed the mark, and
they actually offended people who have been working incredibly hard
to try and deliver for their communities. But the system's
broken and I've got no choice. If the government actually
followed the recommendations of the Future for Local Government Review
and gave counsels other options, then they might have a point,

(36:55):
But they dismissed it, called at work nonsense and the
only option that councils have is rapes. Now. I live
in a region where there are three councils and there
are two towns where they cannot build any more houses
because the wastewater system is that capacity, and the council
has had to put up rates twenty percent in the
last two years. They still don't have the money to

(37:16):
do that. The system is stuffed.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Karen, You and I are not going to disagree about
the fact that the rating base is not sufficient, and
I mean even coalition partners in this government want to
give them more money in GST. But from a political
point of view, are you guys making a smart call
to be backing the councils and the mayors instead of
backing the rate pays who are frustrated here.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I think backing the
councils is back in the rate payers because if we
don't back the councils and change the system, it's rate
payers that suffer. And that's our point. This government had
a chance to do that and they dismissed it, and
then they turned around and blamed the councils. We say that,
we say that that is patronizing and wrong, when actually
it's the government that sets the system that the council's

(37:58):
work in, and they are the ones that missed that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Good to talk to you, Karen. Thanks, thanks for your time. Mate.
There's Karen mcinnaughty, Labour's local government spokesperson.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Ever Dup c Ellen.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Now, am Z and ASB may have the refund interest
to more than one hundred thousand customers with home loans.
This is a Court of Appeal decision today that customers
are automatically included in a class action lawsuit rather than
it being opt in. They have to opt out to
get out of it now. For Kunk Cannon is a
class action lawyer at kun Cannon Partners and with us

(38:28):
right now, for Neula, Hello, Hi here the how are
you very well? Thank you? You actually know what the
banks have done wrong here?

Speaker 19 (38:35):
Yes, they have failed to comply with your disclosure obligations
under the Triple CFA, the Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Act.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, and what does that mean for my wallet?

Speaker 19 (38:44):
Well, what it means is that when you're making decisions
about your finances, you don't have all of the information,
So you don't know exactly what your bank is charging you,
when and why.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
And so if you went into the home loan deal
without knowing the full information, they've got to give you
money back.

Speaker 19 (38:58):
Do they Well, that's one of the issues here. There
is on what basis do banks and other lending institutions
when they breach the Triple CFA, on what basis do
they have to compensate consumers? And this claim alleges that
what they have to do is give you back all
seas and interest for the whole period that they're in default.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
WHOA, how much might that be?

Speaker 19 (39:20):
Well, I understand it's in the hundreds of millions. I'm
not involved in the case directly, but the allegation is
that there are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake
are in this camp per customer.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
This could be tens of thousands of dollars, right, that's right. Okay,
So if we are now all opt in, right, you
are in there regardless sorry it's opt out. You're in
regardless of whether you know about it or not. Do
this Pentea potentially make it one of the biggest class
actions in the country.

Speaker 9 (39:46):
No.

Speaker 19 (39:47):
Yeah, absolutely. It's a hugely significant decision from the Court
of Appeal and a really important decision in terms of
moving the dial for access to justice because we know
in the Court of Appeal was really clear that making
things difficult for consumers. Frustrates access to justice by putting
unnecessary hurdles in front of people who, as the banks

(40:08):
have admitted from the fact that they've breached, you know,
have entitlements here. So it's a really important procedural decision.
Maybe only the lawyers will get excited about it, but
it's really important that customers will be able to participate
in this claim without the procedural hurdles of having to
join and opt in proceeding.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
How do you know if you're an ASB customer or
A and Z customer, whether you whether you're do some dollars, So.

Speaker 19 (40:33):
There are a time periods that apply. You need to
have been a mortgage customer. There's I think, look, it's
not my case, Heather, but there isn't a website where
people can go and find information about the case and
get more information about what their rights might be. The
thing important point is they don't have to do anything
at this point. Heither that the case will continue and

(40:56):
there will be decisions made and judgments will will proceed
without having to people to take active steps at this point.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, good stuff. Hey, I really appreciate your time. That's
for Yula Kuncannon who's a class action lawyer. So these
are the periods. If you're an ASB Bank customer with
a home loan between the sixth of June twenty fifteen
and the eighteenth of June twenty nineteen, you could be impacted.
And an am Z customer between the sixth of June
twenty fifteen and the twenty eighth of May twenty sixteen

(41:24):
you may be impacted as well. It's quarter two, Heather
dupl quarter past. It's Friday, Hever duper cy len Ry again,
Lord Hey. Further to what I was telling you about
Leon McDonald rather being a Joe Schmidt man and not
a raisor man, there is a hope in Australia that
he pops up in Australia working for Joe Schmidt at

(41:45):
the Wallabies. That's what they want and also not only
do they want it, but there is a vacancy. Joe
Schmidt does not have a specialist backs coach on his staff.
He runs the attack himself. What is Leon McDonald an
attack coach? I think he's orchestrated the whole thing to
be able to go and work for his bestie Joe.

(42:07):
I mean, that's the story we're going to tell ourselves anyway,
we'll get we'll talk to the sports tuddle, they'll tell
me if my conspiracy works or not caught a past. Yeah,
the labor had six years to fix the rating system
if they really wanted to. It's absolutely unbelievable. But they
were busy. They were very very very very busy with
the Maori Awards. Because remember that's what Nanaia was doing.
Nanaia had that review, that review that Kieran was talking about,

(42:27):
the local Government Future of Local Government Review. Nanaia had
that gotten on a desk. She could have done all
the stuff, but she was busy with the Maori Awards.
So got themselves to blame. Dunham now complaining about it,
and I'm not feeling any love for this position that
they're taken, by the way. Nineteen past five now today
was the big old one. At the Democratic National Convention
in Chicago. There were heaps of those rumors you heard

(42:47):
before that Beyonce was gonna play, but she did not
make an appearance. This is what we got on stead.
I don't hate pink, I'm never unhappy about a bit
of pink, but pink is not a Beyonce do you
know what I mean? But anyway, she performed the song
what about Us? She had a daughter, Willow. There not
really a shock to see Pink stumping for the blue team,

(43:09):
because she did once try to get to number and
what actually did get to number eleven on the New
Zealand chart with a song about what a bad job
President George W. Bush was doing. The headliner today was,
of course, Vice President Krmala Harris. Now before we got
to her, her family was there and her young grand
nieces got a speaking slot. Hello everybody, my name's Amara,

(43:29):
and my name is Alila, her little sister.

Speaker 8 (43:32):
And what are you here to.

Speaker 18 (43:33):
Do to teach you how to see her auntie's name?

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Okay, to be fair, it's a struggle. Even Trumpy struggles
with that. And the crowd was happy to play along.
Everybody on the everybody over.

Speaker 10 (43:46):
Here say Carla, everybody over here sailor.

Speaker 18 (43:54):
Together.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
The mood got brought down a little bit because they
had a number of friends and relatives of people who
died from gun violence invited to speak on stage, including
one of the Sandy Hook Elementary teachers.

Speaker 15 (44:06):
Twenty beautiful first grade children, and six of my beautiful
colleagues were killed.

Speaker 8 (44:15):
They should still be here.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
And then we finally got to the woman of the moment.

Speaker 8 (44:25):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
And she talked a lot about her upbringing.

Speaker 12 (44:41):
In her parents they instilled in us the values they
personified community, faith, and the importance of treating others as
you would want to be treated.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
And she talked about her career as a prosecutor.

Speaker 8 (44:58):
And every day.

Speaker 15 (45:00):
In the courtroom, I stood proudly before I judge and
I said five words, Kamala Harris for the people.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
And then she said the magic Woods.

Speaker 20 (45:15):
I accept your nomination to be probably in the United
States of America. Our nation, with this election, has a precious,
fleeting opportunity to move past the bitterness, cynicism, and divisive

(45:37):
battles of the past, a chance.

Speaker 15 (45:40):
To chart a new way forward.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
And that was the DNC it ended with. Her speech
would have been better if it had ended with a
little bit of beyond say, am I right?

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Okay? The duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get
the facts. It's heather due to see Alan drive with
one New Zealand. Let's get connected and news talk as
they'd be.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, the pink is better than Beyonce all day long. Ian,
I feel like the charts would disagree with you, but
you know what, each to their own. I mean, frankly,
I would probably say Kenny Rodgers is better than Beyonce
all day long, but probably also not many people would
agree with me. Right now, twenty five past five. Now, listen,
this was always bound to happen. I mean, this will
be no surprise to you. There are now calls on

(46:27):
the government to save those mills in the rue A
pair Who so they don't close with a loss of
two hundred and thirty jobs. The calls are coming from
with the local mayor and also the local EWI. Now,
obviously the government can't be doing that. If what we're
talking about is giving money to the Malaysian owners of
the pulp and timber mills or giving them some sort
of sweetheart electricity deal to be able to stay open,

(46:47):
we can't be doing that. I get why people want
to do it, and I have a lot of sympathy,
especially for a region like ru A pair Who, because
the ru A peir Who's been through a lot. I mean,
I had the skifields closed, the chateau is still closed,
and now it's got to deal with this as well.
In two hundred and thirty jobs, quite a lot in
a small place. Any region would find that hard, but
especially to a pair who because there really isn't a
lot else going on there, so this is going to

(47:08):
be tough for them. But the government just can't bail
out privately owned businesses to save jobs because if it
starts doing that, where does it end. If the government
bails out Windstone, does it also bail out og Does
it also save their mills because they are also being
hit by these high power prices at the moment? Does
it bail out the horticulturalists who are struggling to pay
the high gas bills to heat their greenhouses? Does it

(47:30):
bail out the entire manufacturing sector who are struggling with
electricity prices? How does it decide who to bail out?
Is it just the ones who saying they're about to
close down? In which case, won't everyone just say they're
about to close down so they can get some government assistance?
And how do we know that the power prices are
actually the only issue at Windstone? Because if it was
just the power prices, then wouldn't Windstone just shutter the

(47:52):
place like they have at the moment until the power
prices normalize, and I don't know, let's say spring all
summer and then just get going again. Because if the
power price this is are low in summer, why don't
they want to operate then they'll be profitable. Why don't
they just reopen? How long do you subsidize them for?
By the way, do you subsidize them for just this winter?
Or do you subsidize them for next winter which is
going to be tough and the winter thereafter and the

(48:12):
winter thereafter? And what if this is the new normal?
You just keep going? And who pays? Is it the taxpayer?
Who pays? We're asking the taxpayer to help a wealthy
Malaysian based family keep making tidy profits. I think you
know the answer to this. We can't do it, as
tough as it might be.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Heather duper c Allen Oh.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Dear Kieran. Yeah, Well, if Kieran needs to do some
focus grouping or some I don't know a little bit
of polling to find out whether the Labour Party is
on the right side of this, I can help him
out with it. Here. The who's been in government for
six of the last seven years. Labor, why didn't Kieren
and his mates fix the rate system? Then? Heither you
missed a question for Kieran Why did his government not
do something when they are in power? Here the How
did you ignore the fact that he actually was empower

(48:50):
and did nothing? It's a very good question, thank you.
Completely out of touch on council spin here the Labor
have got this working, but I suppose they're just supporting
councils which are generally dominated by the left. Bang on, oh, Kenny,
how good when.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Hard questions, strong opinion every duper See Ellen drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected and news talk as.

Speaker 10 (49:13):
It'd been spark.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Not a great day of the sparks, but of a
tough day. Actually, they had the net profit comeback. I
think it was something like seventy two percent on last year.
But I think it looks I mean it's not great, obviously,
but it looks worse than it actually is because last
year was boosted by all of those sal tower sales.
You might remember going to speak to the CEO. Jolly
Hodson will be with us after six o'clock and the
sports tuddle is standing by because tonight is Sean Johnson,

(49:51):
the sexiest league player in New Zealand's last game, So
all the ladies are tuning in for this one twenty
four away from six now. The government's been criticized for
spending seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars on a dance
competition while having a crack of councils for their waste
for spending. The money has come from the Major Events Fund.
It's going to bring the World Dance Crew Championship to
Auckland next year and the competition director, Chris Simpson is

(50:13):
with us a.

Speaker 14 (50:14):
Chris, Hi, how are you?

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I'm very well, thank you. Is this a big deal
in the dance world?

Speaker 7 (50:19):
It sure is.

Speaker 21 (50:20):
It's it's essentially the inaugural World Dance Crew Championship, so
it's the first time it's ever happened. There's been significant
international interest. It is actually a bit like high performance sport.
They're all coming over as teams, so there's all these
different divisions and then the super Crew division. One crew
is between fifteen and forty dancers, so they are high

(50:44):
performance athletes and it's you know, the goohal reach of
dance is significant. Hip hop sort of markets around, predicting
it to get to about ten point seven billion by
twenty twenty five. And yeah, I mean within New Zealand
schools there's more kids involved in danced, in rugby and

(51:05):
netball combined.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
So are you counting all of them though, Chris? Are
you counting the dud dancers or because if you counted
me that would not be fair when I was at school,
you just counting everybody who's trotting.

Speaker 21 (51:14):
Around to Well, look, now there's actually the dance community.
There's something like six hundred and thirty thousand kiv so
dancing regularly. Now, whether that's people going to the nightclub
every weekend, I'm not sure we've got to get those numbers.
But as far as the whole hip hop dance movement,
that's one of the fastest growing industries at the moment
in the world.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
So who do we expect is going to come to this?
I mean, obviously the dance crews themselves are going to
be reasonably sized. And then you know, I'm going to
go watch this because I want to see what's up.
But is it actually going to draw an audience from
overseas who want to watch this?

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (51:46):
Look, firstly, it's a mess participation sporting event. So you know,
I'm saying sport because I've been involved in running maki
events as well in the sports world. So there's going
to be so the open super cruise and the use
the cruise. Some of these crews, like the Royal Family
who will be performing, have performed in front of potentially

(52:07):
like the Royal Families worked on sort of ten billion
views across working for American Idol and Grammys and MTV,
and some of these crews have significant followings, particularly at
that supercrew level. But then there's other divisions if you like,
which is junior divisions and youth divisions and adult divisions
that come in smaller teams. So there's yeah, so I

(52:31):
guess the prediction is that there's going to be ten
two thousand international visitors coming and they and the event
runs over a week. It'll be it runs from you know,
the thirteenth to the nineteenth of April. And of course
they're not going to just come from the Northern Hemisphere
and just leave now dull stay. They'll probably you know,

(52:52):
and we notice that even another event, so I know,
you know, some of the World Masters, I think people
actually on average date eight days after the participated. So
when you're looking at that kind of unbecoming and the
length of time they'll be in New Zealand and an
Auckland competing. But are they going to travel the highly likely.

(53:12):
There's quite a lot of the sort of age divisions.
So when you've got youth and junior, the highly likely
a lot of mums and dads will be coming with them.
And then you know there's a sort of the feemily
and friends a bit like a you know, I know
that you know, looking at the Rainbow game sort of
bed at the moment where you've got always you've got
groups of people that will come with them, and like,

(53:36):
you know, the sort of social media reach when you
start looking at even what the you know, obviously Periscobal
achieves the Royal family and how many dance clips on
you know and social media and YouTube, it is quite
significant and that's quite global.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Is Regung going to be there?

Speaker 21 (53:53):
Well, please don't ask.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Me Isgung going to You will not believe the number
of texts listen to this here that is Reagan going
to be there? From Steve Hither, I heard a rumor
that Raygun is performing in the at the event as
a special guest from Raymond. It just goes on, Oh.

Speaker 21 (54:06):
Look, well that's not who knows, Maybe we'll get over
some investor either.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
It's only money well spins of raygun and raise a headline.

Speaker 21 (54:15):
Yeah yeah, I'm not sure the jury's out on that one.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Listen, Chris, I feel like we've just given you an
idea and you just got to run with it.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
You think so?

Speaker 21 (54:24):
You think I should make her an investor or something?

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Why not?

Speaker 21 (54:29):
Again? Like the comparisons, are these crews train you know,
hours hours and hours each week? That absolutely even.

Speaker 7 (54:38):
If you're not are you trying to change the subject.

Speaker 21 (54:41):
I am trying to change.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Chris Now, it's good to have you on the show man.
Thank you for explaining everything. Christensen, competition director, I mean,
come on, you'd go, I'd go, wouldn't we? Nineteen away
from six the.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
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Speaker 7 (55:09):
Click different aspects.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
There was no intent to get to the point there
we are now, but we just believe for both of us,
the best thing is as for the All back group
is you make a call now.

Speaker 18 (55:20):
I won't be watching it, and I think that's true
of a lot of people who have remained dismayed by
the fact that the Cup has been taken off.

Speaker 22 (55:29):
Sure, I'll dismiss it, you know, I just know I'll
miss it. I already have the feelings of what it's
going to be like coming here for one last time
this weekend. So that's definitely going to be a moment
that as a family we're going to cherish.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
On the sports title with us. This evening, we've got
Matt Brown, Oceania Football Confederation media manager and Paul Allison
News Talk ZB Rugby commentator.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Lad's hello, Hi here, how you doing Mat?

Speaker 7 (55:50):
Hi? Here?

Speaker 14 (55:51):
Hi Paul?

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Now Matt, Well, actually no, Matt, You're not going to
be You're not going to be gossip mongering like Paul
is at the moments of Paul, I'm coming to you.
What's the real story with Leon leaving the ABS?

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Then he's not going into breakdancing. Look, I don't know. Obviously,
like any marriage fall out in a divorce, you're never
quite sure of the full background behind it. But the
thing that surprised me about it is the fact that
these guys know each other. It's not as if they
are foreign to each other. They would have done their
homework in advance about what they're wanting to do, from

(56:21):
strategy around tactics, getting on the same page. But obviously
coached together back in two seventeen. They've played together a long,
long time ago, for a million games for the Crusaders
and for the All Blacks. I just don't know what
really has gone on. Obviously it has to be a
personality and a disagreement to a significant degree. And the
fact that they've done it now I think is good

(56:41):
and they can move on from it. But what the
real reason is and the full details, I think we'll
live in mystery for quite some time.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah maybe so, Matt, I didn't realize that he was
actually this is Leon was actually a Joe schmidt Man
more than a Raisin man, did you.

Speaker 7 (56:55):
Well, yes, in a sense they've wrecked it the Blues
and they had a pretty good chemistry together in the past.
So look, it would have surprised me if he pops up.
There's a vacant position I understand in the Australian coaching
so this would not surprise me as a backs coach,
as a as an attack coach working with the Wallabies,
but look, it really is an unsavory note for the

(57:17):
All Blacks. I mean, just before they head across what
will be the toughest tests of the year against a
very much informed World champions Spring Block, for this they happened. Now, yes,
I agree with Paul, it's a good thing that's been
out and dragged on. But how on earth did this
happened in the first place, in the sense that how
were these two peered together? Because clearly, as Razor said,
you know, our philost coaching philosophies are different, and that's

(57:40):
a major that's a major red eye for me in
terms of question is raised right from the start. But
they sort of think, oh, well, well, well we're different,
but we'll give it a crack. And that's what it
comes to, crowfair is and it you know, it's not
a good look for your bicks.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yeah, I see. And the thing about it that Paul
that surprises me is that Razes seemed to have actually
sought Leon out and made like he got him to
join him in order to go up against Fozzy.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
Didn't he Yeah, that's exactly right. He picks his team
around him and he's got a big team as well,
with the two Jasons Holland and Ryan and now Tarmany
Allison and David Hall, David Hill and Corey Flynn and
Scott Hansen. I had an all back great contact me
last week and he said to me, what are the
All Blacks trying to do? Because it almost looks like
this was before the test against Argentina that they won

(58:23):
an Eden Park. But he said to me, it almost
looks like they're getting too many voices in their ears
and not sure which one to listen to. And I
just wonder sometimes when you've got so many coaches, you've
almost got one for every two players that are on
the field, whether or not there's some confusion. But I
think this is more than just a gain strategy and
an alignment. I think it might go back to tactics selection.

(58:44):
But to me, it sounds like there's a falling out
on personalities.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Yep, yep, yeah, I think you bang on there now,
Matt Shawan Johnson, so Piney and I decided earlier in
the program we actually feel sad that this is the
way that Shawn Johnson's career has ended. Last year he
missed out on the Dalm and then this just pipped
at the and then this year they play stink.

Speaker 7 (59:03):
When do you decide to go I mean, do you
go on a highlight last year? Because one thing I
think about Johnson, you know, he is one of the
great Warriors, without a doubt. He's one of those players
that when he gets the ball on attack anywhere around
that twenty, you just wonder what he's going to do.
You know, you think that the guy can produce magic
because he's done it time and time again. Yep, He's

(59:24):
made mistakes, he said, injury issues, made your injury issues
that had blighted his career to some extent. But when
he's on, he is one of the best in the business,
and so he's been. He's up there. Not for me,
Stacy James is number one, but he's coming in. He's
in the top three or four Warriors of all time,
so great way. Let's say he goes out with a
win tonight. I'm sad that they're not going to make
the playoffs, Paul.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Did he maybe play one season too long?

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Oh at thirty three years of age.

Speaker 14 (59:50):
Possibly not.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
Because the Warriors were on a high last year, everyone
had huge expectations of how they're going to perform this year,
and they've really let us all down and themselves to
some degree in the sense. So it's fizzled at the
back end of the season when it promised so much.

Speaker 7 (01:00:03):
He's been around for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
He's still a good player, and he is one of
the best ever. I mean, if you had to pick
your best ever Warriors team, both him and you'd find
a place to both him and Stacy Jones and Roger
TII Varsashek and Simon Mannering. That's where he's and he's
in that top four or five of the best ever
that we're seen in a Warrior's jersey. He's scored more
points for them, He's got more points for the Kiwis.
You know, he's got someone that's just got incredible speed

(01:00:26):
and playmaking abilities and can do things that other people can.
He's one of the most talented. So I think we're
seeing in a generation. Of course, he won that Golden Boot,
which is the best player in the world, back in
two fourteen, So has.

Speaker 7 (01:00:36):
He gone a year too long?

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Maybe, But at some stage you just got to keep
on going when you're on high, and that's what the
Warriors were last year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Yeah, we'll take a break come back with you guys
in just a tech. It's coming up thirteen too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Back of the sports Tittle, Matt Brown and Paul Allison. Matt,
do you reckon that Jarnick Sinner should have been let off?

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:00:59):
My gosh, are such a complex, complex one. But no,
I don't. Actually, I don't think he should have been
let off. I look, I've always been there to believe,
and the rules are pretty clear. You fail at test,
you are essentially responsible, no matter whether the substance, whatever
it is in this case is spray is administered by
some but you're responsible for putting into your body as

(01:01:20):
as a pro athlete, and there have been a lot
of athletes who have had to serve suspensions because of
that fact. Now, in this case, he appealed, He was
provisionally suspended, he appealed immediately and was effectively allowed to
continue playing while the case was heard all behind closed doors. No,
no one knew this into the last few days. For me. Yeah,

(01:01:42):
there's a two there's a two year suspension, and I
think you know, if he wasn't will number one. If
you was world number two hundred and fifty in the world,
you'd probably be suspended by now. Unfortunate for sure. Accidental perhaps,
but ultimately it's his word, and I actually don't have
the sympathy that that some might do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
In the case Paul, The question is was it accidental
or did he just leave it? Because this is the thing, right,
did he just leave it long enough so that whatever
was picked up was just tiny by that stage?

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
Well, I don't think would have been tiny for that stage.
The testing would have been done and they would have
had the results at the time back in April, back
in the end of March when this was done. They're
saying it's less than one billionth of a gram and
that it had no physiological impact benefit to him. It's
a it's a substance similar to testosterone, a muscle building substance. Look,

(01:02:33):
I don't know. I see that Nick Curios has kicked
off as well about this, but I think it might
be because he's jealous that Ennixon is going out with
an ext girlfriend. But look, I really I don't know this.
This is still under appeal potentially. I mean, this has
been approved by the Tennis Integrity agency, but a decision
could be appealed by WADA or the Italian any drug

(01:02:53):
doping agency, so that might be more still to be
played out with this. I mean, he missed the Olympics,
said that he has run down because it was a
stress and all the all the issues that he had
to go through navigating this particular issue. I don't I
don't know. I don't know enough about drugs to be
able to come in on it, to be honest, Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yeah, it is a tricky one. Would all be sort
of taking a punt out, it wouldn't we Hey, Matt, Okay,
is this the year that we fall out of love
with the America's Cup or is this just normal? We
don't get involved in this stage and we're there for
the main event. What do you think?

Speaker 7 (01:03:22):
Well, someone who worked on the last America's Cups, as
they'd be Heather, and was right into it. And it
was here in Auckland there was so much five even
though it was in the middle of COVID. Now, yeah,
I think I might have been listening to your show,
even to Mike when I realized that, oh god, it
starts tonight kind of thing, Like a lot of people
just were not even aware that it was to come
around so quick because it is in Barcelona. So yes,

(01:03:44):
the interest in it will be there for the big
races without it there didn't I didn't stay and watched
last night, but I know when when the when it
comes to the actual America's Cup itself, I'll be setting
my alarm and watching it through the night. There's a
fascination with the Cup, I think no matter where it's held.
But yeah, the interest, I don't think the interest would
be anywhere near like it would be for New Zealanders
as if we were defending it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Here on Pa'll give me a quick take. What do
you reckon?

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
The time zone is going to have a major impact.
It's midnight till three o'clock in the morning. Kiwi fans
love watching it during the hours that they're normally up
and about, and I think it'll have really limited appeal
until maybe they get into the finals on the twelfth
of October onwards. But we'll wait and see. Ninety nine
million dollars they turned down from the New Zealand government
to host it here, so they've gone offshore and it

(01:04:29):
will make it difficult for the following that they would
get if it was in New Zealand, it won't be
anywhere near the same. Let's hope they do well. We'll
wait and see.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Yeah, hey guys, thank you. Enjoy your weekend. Matt Brown,
Paul Allison, our sports huble this evening seven away on
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Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home. Heather Dupless Allen drive with one New Zealand
one giant Leap for business news talk as they'd be right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
I just reminded Sparkspots is going to be with us
just after the headlines and talk us through what's going
on with the business that they're having a bit of
a tough time at the moment. Roger two I Vasishek
has just told the Salman and New Zealand officials that
he's going to switch codes and not switch codes, switch
switch nations. Do you call it switch codes switch nations.
He's going to play not for the New Zealand in
a rugby league team, he's going to play for Sarmore

(01:05:15):
and it looks like he's going to be doing it
in time the way that it's reading, possibly in time
for Sarmore to go and do the test tour. Of England,
which is in October. So that thing's happening, did you know,
I think this is I think this might freak you
out a little bit. And and the thing that's going
to freak you out about this possibly is that there's
an absolutely nothing you can do about this. Your brain

(01:05:37):
is probably made up of about half a percent of
microplastics at the moment. This has been discovered recently by
a researcher at the University of New Mexico. Now he
knew that microplastic, he's reasonably famous for this particular line
of work. He he'd already found out that microplastics are
in parts of your body, like your liver or the
placenta or testicles or whatever. He'd found quite a bit
in there. But he thought that the brain would be different,

(01:06:00):
and because it's the brain, it would be protected. But
he was wrong. And when he saw how much plastic
we have in our brain, thirty times higher than other
tissues in the body, it was the opposite of what
he was expecting, like not at all protected, in fact,
just hovering it up. He was so shocked he didn't
believe it. So he sent the brains to a colleague
in Oklahoma, to check. They were like, Nah, you're actually right,
there's a lot of plastic in there. He reckons the

(01:06:21):
levels of plastic and brain tissue have increased by fifty
percent in the last eight years, and he actually thinks
that what's going on here is this might be the
explanation for why we're seeing increased dementia and autism and
Parkinson's and stuff like that, and obviously male fertility problems
as well. He reckons it's because the plastic we're collecting
in our bodies, and it demands urgent investigation. Now, there

(01:06:42):
is no evidence yet that ties microplastics in the body
to specific health problems, but in an Italian study earlier
this year found that half of people undergoing surgery for
clogged arteries had blood vessels that were riddled with microplastics,
and they had a far greater chance of heart attack,
stroke and death. Whereas, where's all this coming from? Your
plastic bottles, your food containers, tiny bits of tires that

(01:07:05):
get into the air and you breathe it in synthetic
fibers and clothes, blankets and carpets. Freaky a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Keeping track of where the money is flowing. With the
business hour, with Hender due to Clan and my hr
on news talks at.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
B even in coming up for the next hour, Peter
Lewis is going to talk through the EU slashing those
planned tariffs on Chinese evs. Gavin Gray is with us
out of the UK, and we will wrap the political
week that was with Barry sober as per usual, seven
past six. Now it is a tough result today for Spark.
They've reported a seventy two percent drop in full year

(01:07:41):
net profit, with revenue down fourteen percent. The big drop
comes after last year's results were boosted by the sale
of those cell towers, but the company has acknowledged it's
been a challenging year in tough economic conditions. Jolie Hodson
is Spark's chief executive. Hey, jolly, hi, am I right
in thinking this looks worse than it actually is because
year was boosted by the sales of the towers.

Speaker 23 (01:08:02):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 24 (01:08:03):
The sale of the towers means that you have a
much higher prey. You're adjusted revenue and earnings, but really
we strip it out and look at like for like performance.
We did that in twenty three and we do that
here to look at how we've gone. But it has
been a tough year for Spark regardless. We did see
some growth and key markets like mobile, clouded data centers,
but equally we saw pressure and IT services as we

(01:08:24):
saw the impact of economic demand.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Hut, Yeah, what's going on here? Is it a cut
back in government spending or is it a cut back
in consumer spending?

Speaker 24 (01:08:33):
So the IT services more around both public and private
sector spending, and you've obviously seen change going on in
those organizations as well, which is meant that some of
the projects and things have deferred. So's a combination that's
student economy and then some of it's due to the
timing of when these things have been happening, but nevertheless
led to lower demand.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
How much of a proportion of your business the affected
business is government spending.

Speaker 24 (01:08:57):
We've got a significant part of our our business enterprises
government spending within that because we offer ranger services right
through from mobile through to cloud DC. So we are
affected when you see changes, I guess in the market likeness.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Yeah, so what do you do, Jolie? I mean, do
you guys accept this is the new normal under a
center right government or are you expecting it to pick
up again?

Speaker 24 (01:09:19):
Look, I think like all organizations. They're responding to changes
in the economy and what they need to do, and
I'd expect that we'd start to see potentially in the
second half of twenty five a per carp in demand
because I think the tools that help support and enable
productivity heads so technology are still going to be important
in the future.

Speaker 23 (01:09:38):
It's more about getting through this change process.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
So do you reckon we have to wait basically a
full year before we really start pumping again.

Speaker 24 (01:09:46):
Look, I'm I'm as experienced as anyone.

Speaker 23 (01:09:50):
I guess see what that market might be.

Speaker 24 (01:09:51):
But I think if we think about our first six
months of our financial year, which is really to Christmas,
I think it's still going to be a pretty challenging environment.
And then after that week I hope to see a
bit of improvement then.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
So you're expecting actually some improvement after New Year.

Speaker 23 (01:10:05):
Yeah, look, that's what that's what we're looking for.

Speaker 24 (01:10:08):
I guess we started to see some most ther cuts
and I think when you start see interest rates falling
both the hands of consumers but also in terms of businesses,
it starts to make an unpackt Jolie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
It's making me feel excited. The ocr couts just as
a punter out there spending money on things like a
mortgage and whatever else. I feel like, are you, as
a business leader feeling excited about it?

Speaker 24 (01:10:27):
Look from my perspective, I think it's important that we
start to it's important that we see investment in New
Zealand and so one of the things that we're really
trying to.

Speaker 23 (01:10:35):
Do is make sure that we're doing that.

Speaker 24 (01:10:37):
In data sens is another growth opportunities and I think
bet at economic environment hopefully leads to seeing more of
that investment there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Yeah. Hey, so in the meantime, are you guys going
to have to cut down on your workforce?

Speaker 24 (01:10:48):
Part of our changes is we looked at the shifts
we've seen in particular the enterprise and government.

Speaker 23 (01:10:53):
AI is meant that we need to work out.

Speaker 24 (01:10:54):
What's cyclical so affected by the economy, and what actually
structure needs to change. So some of that is about
getting a more sustain and book cost base for us.
So it is making some changes which we never take
lightly for our people. It's not easy, but we need
to make sure that we can adjust to both market
demand and the things that customers are looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
What numbers are you thinking?

Speaker 24 (01:11:14):
Well, we included in our results release that there's about
a fifty million reduction in labor over the next twelve months.
But some of that change has already occurred in the
year that's been and so you see the flow through
of that into twenty five and we have some changes
under at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
So do you have any idea how many you still
have the cut? How many people?

Speaker 24 (01:11:33):
Look in terms, we haven't translated that into heads. We've
had As I said, we've had some movements in twenty
four already, and there is work underway at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Did you see TV and Z is going into territory
that you've already trod, which is the old sports rights.

Speaker 23 (01:11:48):
Yes, I think I did see something on that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
And what did you think, Jolie, did you think, mate,
don't do that?

Speaker 24 (01:11:55):
I think they're in TV and entertainment and sports part
of that, and so if that works for them, that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Do you think it's going to work better for them
than it does for you, because I mean, this is
not any disrespect to the way that you guys did it,
but they have a platform we're already using, whereas what
you required from us was to get this whole new platform.
I mean, does that make a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:12:14):
Look, I think if you've got a customer base that's
already using those platforms that are used to seeing different
forms of both entertainment, and they already have sport obviously
some sport today, then that's going to.

Speaker 23 (01:12:26):
Be an opportunity within it. But I don't guess they're
going to need to make those commercial decisions themselves about
what that looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Yeah, future, Jolie listen, thank you very much, appreciate it.
Jolie Hodson, chief executive of Spark. Oh, you're not going
to believe some of them. Well, you are going to
believe some of the stuff that's happening in courts at
the moment. Courts are hilarious at the moment, aren't they
just try anything on? Got a new one for you
for trying to get your sentence reduced to wait till
you hear this. I'm getting a lot of texts on

(01:12:52):
the dance competition saying things like if the event is
so good, why can't they fund themselves? I think you
must have missed what I said at the very start
of the program, which which is we have a major
events fund as a country, which we use to basically
buy events into the country. It's not unusual. If the
event was so good, why doesn't it fund itself? Is
not a thing right? You basically have to pay to

(01:13:14):
get events here. We had to pay to get the
FIFA World Cup here. Last year, the Women's World Cup.
We spent fifty five million dollars getting ready for the
FIFA World Cup. Some of that was upgrading things and
blah blah and like border control and getting all that
stuff ready, but an undisclosed amount of support went towards
FIFA's direct event delivery costs. So we don't know how
much money FIFA needed. But you know, I think you're

(01:13:36):
picking up what I'm putting down here. So just is
the case. You always just have to pay for events.
It's just how much are you prepared to pay and
is it going to be less? Are you paying less
than what the event will bring into your country? And
as long as that's the equation. Another problem with it
fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's heather due
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Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
For all right, sixteen past six, let us rap the
political week that was Barry Sober is our senior political correspondent.
Welcome back, Barry.

Speaker 9 (01:14:09):
Hello again.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
So do you think Kamala Harris can beat Donald Trump?

Speaker 15 (01:14:14):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:14:14):
Well, if you went off the hype, like I said
earlier of the Democratic Convention in Chicago, you were saying
she would be shoein. But they all said, every speaker
that spoke virtually throughout the week has said it's going
to be a close run thing. And mind you, all
political parties say that they're up to the election to

(01:14:35):
ensure that their voters get out. Some said, as I
said earlier, that Kamala Harris her address to the Democracratic
Convention having won the nomination or.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Was the nomination to the nomination.

Speaker 9 (01:14:53):
You know, it was a philly, not a lackluster. It
was full of hype, but it wasn't quite like the
other speeches. But then she was speaking to the nation.
She wasn't speaking to just the delegates, and there were
plenty of them at the convention. She was speaking to
the nation to show what sort of a president she
would make. And I'll tell you what, if I was
out there voting in the United States, I would certainly

(01:15:16):
be voting for Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Do you not like Donald Trump. Just joking, I know
you don't. Hey, Barry, No, I thought you were genuinely
surprised in the slightest we know you have weird derangements
and drunk with him. No, but very seriously, this is
the problem, is that I suspect that that speech from
Karmala Harris is the reason why you haven't seen many
speeches and interviews from Karmla Harris to this point, because

(01:15:42):
actually she is a dippy downer. All the hype around her, right,
the Tim Waltz, the Obamas, the Oprah Winfrey's, all that
stuff that reflected glory onto her has been creating the momentum.
But she's actually quite boring.

Speaker 9 (01:15:55):
No, No, I wouldn't put her in any way boring
at all. I mean, she's got a fabulous back story,
you know, an Indian mother, a Jamaican father, very much
working class. Well, no, it's a good story when you
look at the other side, it's a it's a really
good story. And you know, being California's prosecutor.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Yeah, but is she interesting? Does she have does she
have the X factor?

Speaker 9 (01:16:19):
I found her quite interesting, and yes, I do think
she's got the X factor, something that is sadly missing
with Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Hey, really good week for this government. Nikola will Is
taking a potshot at the banks that will play.

Speaker 9 (01:16:32):
Really well, and the banks have responded yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
And then Christopher Luxen taking a crack at the councils
and the mayor's which again again they've gone for two
of the people, two of the organizations that people are
feeling the most frustration with at the moment in terms
of the bills.

Speaker 9 (01:16:47):
And particularly the councils, and they're winging and moaning after
his address. I don't know what they expected. I mean,
you know what do you call them? Fantasy projects? And
there was a lot of criticism, like I said earlier
about this Dance World Dance Championship being held here in
Auckland next year. Well, there were over I think about

(01:17:10):
two thousand people going to be performing at that event.
The winner takes one hundred thousand American away. It's a
big event worldwide, and it will bring income into this country.
So to make a comparison between that and what he
said to these mayors and local government people is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Arry the Treaty Principals bill. So you have sort of
been suggesting throughout the week that David Seymour is going
to get a win over his coalition partners because it
will change sufficiently to actually make them potentially like it.

Speaker 9 (01:17:46):
Oh well, you know, I believe that clause is one
and three of the treaty will probably remain very much
the way they are, But it's the middle clause that
there will be a bit of work on and it's
not going to change the world as we know it.
I don't think, and I think Seymour is shrewd enough

(01:18:08):
to know that he's got to not only win the
public over and if you look at their polling that
they would have, you believe they're polling sixty percent in
favor of this treaty Principal's bill. He's hoping for more
public support and that will embarrass the National Party and
New Zealand first, although Winston I heard his argument on

(01:18:29):
with You this week that he says the treaty has
no principles in terms of illegally and of course he's right.
It's been tested through the courts and they say basically
the principles are guarded a partnership. And you know, and
he's fought it since two thousand and five when he
introduced a private members bill. So he's a long campaigner

(01:18:52):
on this one. So for him now to reverse his stance,
although we've seen it in the past, but if he
does reverse his stance on this one, even though he
indicated he might do that this week in Parliament, you know,
it would be a big back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
To tell you what I'd be more surprised by with Winston,
that's if he actually follows through on what he said
he was going to do and does it. That's and
takes the references quoting to the principles economics, taking the
principles out of legislation right, taking the references of the principle.

Speaker 9 (01:19:19):
That's what he tried to do back in two thousand
and five.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Old mate always says he's going to do stuff, have
a referendum on the Martis seats. A Polish says, he
always says he's going to do it.

Speaker 9 (01:19:28):
But he did try it. You've got it. What you've
got to look at. He did introduce private.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Members but Mary, don't talk about what No, No, he's
in power now now do it.

Speaker 9 (01:19:36):
Well, then you've got to have the agreement. We're in
an MMP environment. You've got to have the agreement of
the National Party Coalition Agreement of Act.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
It's in the coalition agreement. He just has to do it.

Speaker 9 (01:19:48):
You're still got to have agreements.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Stop making excuses for him.

Speaker 9 (01:19:50):
It's like your I'm just saying that politics is not
as simple as what at times it may seem.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Very Thank you, I appreciate, appreciate you fighting your owner Berry.
So for senior political correspondent rapping the political week, there
was Hey, just quickly on what's going on with Fletcher.
Commus Commission plans to sue Fletcher. Now this is about
I don't know if you remember, all the way back
to the Commus Commission having a look into the construction industry.
They found that Fletcher threw its windstone wall bodes Will boards,

(01:20:19):
which is like your plaster board, like jym da da
da da. They were basically using volume rebates, where if
the retailer had heaps and heaps of volume, they'd give
them a rebate on stocking it and stuff. Anyway, the
Commas Commission is not happy about it. They alleged that
the practice breached the Commuce Act, and they have told
Fletcher they planned to sue them and Fletcher told the
INSIDEX this morning and apparently it's going to happen before

(01:20:40):
the end of October. Is keeping eye on that six twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Three, everything from SMEs to the big corporates of a
Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR, the
HR platform for sme US talks, they'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Well, and we're gonna have to deal with the update
in the Polkinghorn case today. I'll give it to you
later on. I got to tell you what's going on
with six twenty six. And they will try absolutely anything
in court. And this is the latest thing. So a
couple of guys have appeared in the High Court in
Napier for beating up another inmate while they were all
in jail. They are arguing that they deserve a lighter
sentence because beating him up was for UTU and they

(01:21:15):
needed to do it to restore their mona. I mean
I often feel like that. I often feel like, yeah,
I just need to lash out for a bit of
USU to make my mona go up. But anyway I
don't because I don't want to get in trouble with
the law. Obviously not something that crossed their minds, so
it happened in October last year. Happened in Hawks Bay
Regional Prison, and it was seven on one. It was
seven guys punching and kicking and carrying on another guy.

(01:21:38):
All seven were Black Power member or associates. They say
they attacked him because he had made sexual advances on
one of them, and it happened in a corridor. They
attacked him in a corridor. One of the attackers, without warning,
who'd been just standing next to him, suddenly threw a
punch and then the others rushed in. They were throwing punches,
they were kicking him. They stomped his head. When he
fell to the ground. One of the guys grabbed a
metal broom that was nearby. They've got a metal broom

(01:22:00):
in jail. Feels like a bad idea. Got the metal
broom hit him three times on the body and once
on the head. The attack lasted two and a half minutes.
That is a long time to be getting a bash.
And if you think just a punch in the faces
over like that, right, two and a half minutes of
these guys laying into him, all captured on the CCTV cameras.

(01:22:21):
So for that reason, all but one of the seven
were sentenced and given jail terms, but these two, Parker
Babbington and Jaikan Kaiwai, got longer sentences than the others.
They were sentenced to three years in jail and they've
appealed that on two grounds. Firstly that they should have
received shorter sentences more similar to their co offenders, but

(01:22:42):
secondly that the sentence and jud failed to give them
a discount for the fact that the attack had been uttu.
The lawyer Cliff Church, who actually I cannot believe says
this stuff with a straight face, said the beating was
carried out by seven who met seven men who felt
that for their manner to be regained and for the
manna of the victim to be regained, the issue of
utu and the carrying out of utu had to happen.

(01:23:04):
That's not suggesting for a minute, said Cliff, that New
Zealand law condons this type of action. However, the issue
of utu is something that is still being practiced in
the cultural way throughout Martyrdom. Well, a lot of things
are practiced by a lot of cultures in mat and Ryan.
The judge, Justice Lahoud then wanted to know what sort
of discount would be appropriate. In Church said, oh how
long is a piece of string? The judge has reserved

(01:23:25):
his decision and I cannot wait to see what this
judge doe like. Do you not think that this is
going This is the this is the test of how
much BS you're prepared to suck up. Let's see, we'll
just go update you headline's next.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
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The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,
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Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Remember when we were driving.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Driving in your car, speed's a fast fill seriously before it's.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
In your grays with us out of the UK shortly. Okay,
here's what was going on with Pokinghor. Look, look, Poking
Horn had a lot of stuff on his phone. One
hundred and fifty thousand images, eight hundred and twenty six
images of adult pornography, three thousand, six hundred and eighty
six of sexual nature in total. Then there were cam
sites three five hundred and twenty five from cam sites,

(01:24:24):
that's basically where from what I understand is where you
pay largely women to then give you one on one
attention on like a camera all of that, So, I mean,
this guy's got a lot going on there. But this
is the interesting thing. He deleted phone call logs three
days after his wife's death, so she died on April five.

(01:24:44):
And then after that he deleted all the WhatsApp messages
from before April five, all deleted, impossible to retrieve, I
think where you can't get them back. Then he gave
his police interview, the first one on April five, the
day he reported his wife dead. Then after that he
searched Google for how to delete his iCloud storage, and

(01:25:05):
then the next day, April sixth, he used a search
engine called Duck Duck Go, which is supposed to give
you complete privacy when you do a Google search, like
you're doing a search, nobody should be able to see
what you've done in that search. He searched leg edema
after strangulation, and an edema is the swelling due to
a build up of fluid. That's out of that particular case. Today,

(01:25:28):
twenty two away from seven here the Lewis Asia Business
correspondents with us Hey Evening, Peter Good Evening Heat Why
the EU decide to slash those tariffs.

Speaker 18 (01:25:38):
In well, it was always on the cards, I think
particularly for Tesla because there's sort of been hit pretty
hard by this as a US manufacturer, not a Chinese manufacturer,
but as a US manufacturer with a big factory in Shanghai,
but obviously exporting cars not just domestically but all over
the world. I don't think the EU wanted to particularly

(01:26:02):
pick a fight with Tesla, so they've lowered the tariffs
to nine percent. Some of the other tariffs on Chinese
vehicles have also been cut as well. They were as
high as forty five percent. And I think what the
EU was hoping was that China would see this as
a sort of olive branch and sort of dial down
the tensions a little bit. China hasn't seen any such

(01:26:25):
way at all, And what they've done now is they've
now launched an investigation into EU dairy products being exported
into China, which they say are a subsidized So they've
started their investigation there, which could go on for a
year or so, and it's clearly a tip for tat
retaliation for the EU ev subsidies. The problem is neither

(01:26:50):
side really wants to get into a big trade war here.
They do both need each other. The EU is a
big market for China and in many ways is more
than the US. But they're sort of going down this
road and this path where neither side really knows how
to get off of it. And all that's happening is
that there's more and more things being dragged into this

(01:27:12):
trade wark.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
I mean, from from what the EU had where that
had started to where they've now ended up as quite
a change, right, So do you anticipate they'll just keep
on wretcheting it down and down and down till it's
really nothing.

Speaker 18 (01:27:24):
I think that there will if there'll be a deal done,
whereby they'll say to the Chinese manufacturers, look, come and
open factories in Europe. Do what byd is doing, which
is opening a big plant in Hungary. Come and do
things like that, and then we'll remove the tariffs and
it'll be seen as a sort of quid pro quo,

(01:27:47):
no tariffs, you open the factories here, which benefits actually
both sides. I mean, it helps in terms of generating
jobs in the EU and then local economic growth, and
it's a good way for them to make further in
roads into the European markets. So this would be the
obvious way in which the whole thing could be dialed

(01:28:08):
down and maybe brought to an end.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Peter, why is why why are the Chinese deliberately ramming
Philippines boats.

Speaker 18 (01:28:17):
Yeah, this is over a disputed reef in the South
China Sea, which is within the Philippines economic zone. But
the problem is China claims nearly most of the South
China Sea as its own territory, almost up to the
coastline of the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam and elsewhere, so it

(01:28:37):
has sovereignty. It has disagreements over sovereignty in the South
China Sea with several countries. It lost a case at
the Court of Arbitration in the Hague a few years
ago which basically said China's claims over the South China
Sea have no basis in law whatsoever. But China won't
accept that ruling. So as a result, the Philippines they

(01:29:03):
sort of beached a boat on this reef a few
years ago in order to help them sort of claim
sovereignty over it, and they send supplied chips to sort
of resupply the soldiers of the stationed on its China
says that we're going to supervise all of that because
this is our territory. And the result is that there's
these constant collisions between Chinese Coast Guard ships and these

(01:29:27):
supplied chips from the ships from the Philippines. And the
issue is here, really there is a huge amount of
potential for this to get out of hand, for a
ship to be sunk, lives to be lost, and then
this whole thing could really escalate into quite a major conflict.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
How much damage did they do to the ships.

Speaker 18 (01:29:47):
Well, they did quite a bit. Luckily no one was
injured or killed, but they did do quite a bit
of damage to the ships. We've seen pictures on the
internet have sort of buckled whole and things. But one
day this could easily lead to a dis alster. I mean,
it's really a very dangerous game that's been played here.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Yeah, quite, I couldn't agree more. Hey, thank you very much, Peter,
look after yourself and we'll have a chat to you
again in a week's sign. That's Peter Lewis, our Asia
business correspondent out of Hong Kong. Hey, here's an interesting
idea for how you help kW We Bank to do well.
Do you remember back in the old days, and by
the old days, I mean like the nineties and it
could possibly still be happening. Do you remember back in
the old days when you were at school, the ASB

(01:30:29):
would come around and they'd sign you up to have
your own ASB accounting. He had the little elephant thing.
It works so well that I am still with ASB
and a loyal customer because I signed up like thirty
years ago. So Auckland University economics professor Robert McCulloch reckons
we need to do the same thing with Kei Wei Bank.
We need to get go and get all the year
eight kids to sign up, and there's about one hundred

(01:30:51):
thousand of them in year eight. We don't even have
to do it. We just give a key We bank
permission basically to do it because they would benefit from it.
About one hundred thousand of them in year eight. Do
that for ten years. There you've got a million customers
and by the time when they start working, they will
start putting their money into Kiwibank. It will capitalize Kiwibank.
The big banks will throw a fit, he says, complaining
of foul play, which means you're doing something right. It

(01:31:12):
will break the big bank monopoly within just a few years.
And come at almost no cost to the taxpayer. Isn't
that a smart idea? Seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather due
for c Allen with the business hours thanks to my
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Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Edb fashion the Elephant money box correct, Thank you. Fourteen
away from seven. Gavin Gray are UK correspondents with us
Aykevin Hi there listen Gavin on the subject of this
yacht off the coast of Sicily. Does it sound like
it's Mike Lynch's daughter who's still missing.

Speaker 25 (01:31:46):
Yeah, that's what we believe in eighteen year old and
Hammer Lynch. She's the last body we believe to be recovered.
All hopes pretty much faded now and still it is
the way in which the boat has rested on the
bottom some fifty sixty meters below the surface, the way
in which it's toppled over, and then all the furniture
within each of the cabins that has prevented the divers

(01:32:10):
managing to do this sooner. But they are, I think
pretty hopeful that by the weekend they should be able
to find the last one who's been missing here and
then the formal identifications and announcement comes. But we do
now know that the UK tech tycoon Mike Lynch has died,
the fifty nine year old, and tributes really pouring into him,

(01:32:30):
saying that as well as being you know, somebody who
was absolutely brilliant, a brilliant mind, he was one of
the most caring people that they have ever known. A
close friend and colleague Andrew Cant has said, over nearly
a quarter century, I had the privilege of working besides
someone unrivaled in their understanding of technology and business, and
another colleague said he's an irreplaceable loss, not only to

(01:32:53):
those that loved him, but also to the country because
one tends to forget that actually when he was on
the scene all the Internet and saw its potential and
not many people in the UK were, And when he
set up this company, Autonomy, it grew so quickly out
of so much good business management, yes, but so much

(01:33:14):
great innovation in there as well, and its eventual sale
to Hewlett Packard for roughly eighteen billion New Zealand dollars
back in twenty eleven was a major landmark. Of course,
sadly the whole boat trip we now learned is to
celebrate the victory that Mike Clinch had in a long
running court battle over that sale, as some had said

(01:33:36):
it was over valued by him deliberately. He won that
court case, and that's why we believe he had taken
his lawyer and his accountant and his friends and his
daughter on this trip to celebrate it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Sounds like everything at the moment is unofficial, right, and
it only becomes official once I've actually done the formal identification.
These are the Italian authorities. But how long does it take?

Speaker 25 (01:33:59):
Yeah? Exactly? And why is it taking quite so long?
I mean, you know it's Sicily won't have a big
infrastructure and scheme in place for this sort of thing,
so they have been shot both as an island as
it were and the people on it, but also not
having the perhaps the skills that might have been more
widely available elsewhere. And of course also there's a huge

(01:34:23):
investigation now, Heather, as to the boat why it sank
and was in any way were there things not done
on board that should have been? Were hatches shut? They
knew there was a storm on the way, It had
been widely forecast, and the manufacturer of the luxury yacht,
saying these things are unthinkable really if you just follow

(01:34:44):
the rules, saying that you know everyone on board very
early that morning should have been woken up, all the
doors hatches, windows shut, all the portholes and then it
should have been moored facing straight on to the wind
that was coming in. But of course, all too late
now and an investigation underway.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Have they managed to in Boomingham find any of these
dogs they're looking for?

Speaker 25 (01:35:08):
No, this is really pretty scary people being worn to
watch out for what a thought to be two American
bulldogs type dogs. Now two have already been seized, but
it's believed that they were acting as a four as
a pack when they killed a thirty three year old
man who was looking after his brother's dogs in Birmingham.

(01:35:28):
The man was found dead in the back garden when
the police arrived. They did manage to catch two, but
as I said, two have gone missing, possibly a third.
They've been using drones. They've been doing house to house inquiries.
People have provided CCTV footage, a front door bell footage
showing the dogs running past, but the questions is where

(01:35:49):
are they and of course that they get hungrier. The
theory is that they may well get more ambitious in
their attack plans, or in their plans to at least
seek food. The police are saying that they don't believe
these are banned breeds, but these are big dogs, make
no mistake about that. And it comes just a few
days as well, Laura, after an incident where a man

(01:36:11):
in Scotland was killed by an Excel bully dog, and
so many in this country really requiring the government. I
think to look again at the legislation and the puff
rop on how these big dogs are kept.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
That's grimm there's I get hungrier. How scary is that?

Speaker 7 (01:36:26):
Kevin?

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Thank you very much, really appreciate it. This Kevin Gray,
our UK correspondent here the very smart idea with Kiwibank. However,
they can be a little after their own customers. Where
are they going to find people to sign up kids? Hither?
I signed up to Kiwibank years ago on the basis
that it was all key we owned, and then I
needed a personal loan five years ago and I was
informed that their contract all that out to a finance
company and I was subsequently subjected to high interest rates
on the loan which I desperately needed and I am

(01:36:48):
no longer with Kiwi Bank on principle. I quit Kiwibank too,
signed up to them on the basis that because key
We owned. And then remember they did that thing where
they stopped banking. Was it they stopped banking some fossil
fuel stuff like that? And I was it? What's green
fairies ants?

Speaker 26 (01:37:04):
Wasn't it that some people who supplied cannabis to people
who were stuff that's kind of a legal gray area.
And then kee We Bank decided, no, we don't wear
a part of this, and it was like nice old
ladies who were just trying to help out sick people.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
You are our living Google, thank you for that. I
don't need a I've got ants anyway. Yes, they stopped
banking the green fairies and then they started going hard
on the fossil field stuff. And then I was like,
that's the whole West Coast of New Zealand. That's ridiculous
of the South Island. I'm not going to bank it.
They don't put them on principle as well. There's a
lot of principle here ate away from seven, whether it's.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
Macro, MicroB or just plain economics. It's all on the
business hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR, the
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Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Russell Crowe. Before we get to Russell Crowe. I need
to address this heither, why is no one talking about
the fact that Mike Lynch's business partner died the weekend before,
which is incredible involved in that he was also involved
in the case, because that isn't a that's a conspiracy
theory that requires you to do an amazing leap of logic.
So obviously it's totally plausible to think that he got

(01:38:10):
run down by a car by people out to get him.
But how would the people who are out to get
Mike Lynch conjure up a water spout? I think I
think assassins are awesome, but that is pretty cool, and
I don't think we can do that stuff yet. So
I'm just going to just shut that one down and
go probably not five away from seven now Russell Crowe.
Russell Crowe was on Joe Rogan's podcast, and if you

(01:38:32):
love Russell Crowe or Joe Rogan, you're going to be
the only people listening to it because it's three hours long.
But maybe possibly the most interesting thing is his steak recipe.

Speaker 27 (01:38:42):
Maybe I love cooking absolutely, And how do you prepare
stake with farm steak? I use black pepper and I
use Lowry's garlic salt. There's lots of garlic salts around,
but that one's good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
That one's good. Can you see why it takes three hours?
Because that's because they're talking about steak, but they're also
talking at this pace. Also, the other thing that he
does is he fires lots of oil into the barbecue
so that it gets a really hot flame. Also, the
other thing he does is he smokes in a tiny
room with Joe Rogan, who's also smoking. The pair of
them just sitting there smoking Siggi's in a room that

(01:39:24):
looks very very small. I mean, there's a part of
me that is like, well, bake, that's unsafe, But there's
also a partn yuck, And there's also a part of
me that's like respect.

Speaker 26 (01:39:33):
Was it definitely just Sigi were smoking there this time?

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Because Elon did the Old Green Seggy.

Speaker 26 (01:39:38):
It's because I'm pretty sure his studio is in a
state where it's legal to smoke at cannabis.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Retch Imagine how long that podcast would be.

Speaker 26 (01:39:45):
So that's what I was gonna say, I haven't. I
haven't watched Joe Rogan experience in years, but three hours
wasn't a particularly long one. They often go up to
like four or five hours. It's the Internet, so they
don't have to worry about ads and stuff like we do.
But O three Bonnie and Clyde by jay Z and
Beyonce tonight. Yeah, real shame Beyonce didn't show up at
the d n C and maybe just you know, do
something slightly more charismatic after Karmela's speech. But yeah, as

(01:40:05):
it turns out, TMZ were wrong on this occasion, so
we'll just play some of her now instead.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
Karmla didn't want to be upstaged by Beyonce, but I'm
happy to be enjoy.

Speaker 11 (01:40:13):
See you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
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