Burnt down on Christmas Eve (31 January 2025)

With the Crusaders playing the Blues there in a pre-season match, Marcus talks about Kirwee and the pubs of NZ that have burnt down.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus lush Night's podcast from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
A'd be greetings, welcome, and good evening people. Welcome to
Friday monameers Marcus the last Friday of January, January, and
if at the last day of January it'd be white
Rabbits tomorrow. I'm friendicly googling about Kurwee and it's a
fun name to say. All sorts of questions about Kurwee,

(00:32):
like who's there listening now? Because as soon as he
said Kowee, Tony, nice to hear from you. As soon
as Tony said kowe I think in my mind in
some ways I'd probably had that confused with Kourou. So
I'm gee, wow, I wouldn't mind any comments about kurwe Eat.
And am I saying it right? I was like, Kowee,
I'm sure it's still Kurwee. And does the train go

(00:54):
through Kowee or do it used to? Do you go
through Kowee on the way to Arthur's passed? I don't
know any of these things. When Great the Rugby was
taken there, it seems to be near the river on
the plains. Yeah, near the wy Market Edie River only
about five three k one hundred meters two k's from there,

(01:15):
two k's we'll call it kirwe between Darfield and West
Mountain Inland from christ Church and I'm looking at Kerwee
on the map right. I can't work out what if
I was living in christ Church, I'd be living in Kerwee.
I'd rather commute from kerwe than from Rolliston. And it

(01:35):
doesn't seem to be much further. It's all exciting anyway,
getting I just can't think if I know much more about
kurwe So if you want to talk about kurwe I'd
like to hear from you. What would there what would
be the best thing to do in Kerwee? And does
the train go through there? And how was the rugby?
And who came from Kirween? Why is it called kurwe Yeah,

(02:00):
well that's of interest anyway, lighthearted ramble that we call Friday.
Welcome to it, people. I will keep you updated on
GEO net two for the quakes and TOPA if they
stopped yet, I'd hope so got a lot of people
emailed their or text and they said they felt a
lot stronger than what it was saying. But it seems

(02:22):
to have stopped. The latest quakes have had have been
ten k's east of Ypukado and all around about in
that vicinity. How I hang on two hours ago one
in Topa was a two, so it's still going thirteen
hours ago. So they're getting listen. There's frequent it's now
about every eight hours. Anyway, Am I sounding too hyper?

(02:43):
I think I might be getting touched by name? Is Marcus?
Welcome oh eight hundred eighty nine nine to text? Now
it's the end of the week, kind of a rambling week,
which I've quite enjoyed. But if there is some other
topic or breaking news you've got, whether it be about
I don't know, whale strandings or wallabies or shark savings

(03:06):
or for anything like that, let me know what's happening.
So yeah, get in touch, Marcus till twelve oh eight
hundred and eighty taty and nine two nine. There's something
different you've got here for it. I don't know what
that is yet, I'm waiting for you to tell me. Also,

(03:26):
today was surprised to hear about Mary and faithful that
she had died at seventy eight. Now, I had no
idea how old she was, I had no idea that
she was unwell. So I've spent a little bit of
time today reading about Mary and Faithful. I have learned

(03:52):
that the Ballad of Lucy Jordan, which was such a
gorgeous song, was not originally one of hers. So just
in case you might be wondering about that, because to me,
that was probably her iconic song. But I think it
was written by doctor hook Am I right, yeah, doctor

(04:15):
hook In The Medicine Show was originally theirs, but she
was the one that made it her own, a song
of disillusionment and mental and iteration. So you might want
to mention or pay homage in some ways to Marry
and Faithful. I don't know if she toured New Zealand.
I don't even know if she cooked, if she kept
well health. I mean she's there homeless there for a while.

(04:36):
Not that that doesn't mean they don't bounce back, but
you might have something to say about that. Also, Yeah,
famously involved with Mick Jagger and all sorts of other things,
but your gorgeous singer. But that Ballad of Lucy Jordan
is one of the great songs. There's all sorts of
others are too that for me is the one that

(04:57):
actually sprung to mind that I had since she died.
So you might want to talk about that. So let's
start with Marion Faithful and Curwe two things I wouldn't
mind talking about tonight eleven past eight. If there's breaking news,
I'll keep you updated with it. They asked Trump if
he was going to go to the crash shot of
the Potomac. He said, what in the water? No way,
So he's continued to behave a bit more like a

(05:22):
onlooker rather than the president. That seems to be his shtick.
But anyway, do get in touch by him, as Marcus
Hittl twelve o'clock looking for to what you've got to say.
There's other stuff you want to comment on. God the
CEO of Sky has spoken and apologize, but there seemed

(05:44):
to be no information or apology. I think people wanted
to know was how how many fewer Sky technicians there
are now that down is doing it, and that was
not at all clear in her apology. I think that's
what people want to know about. So you might want
to mention that also tonight. So yeah, get in touch

(06:05):
marcust midnight eight hundred at Teddy so Curwee, am I
saying it right to go cur we I'm kind of
breaking it down like first name soon named Kurwee. I
don't know about that Curry Curry, So get in touch.
You want to mention that also tonight this is the

(06:25):
other freaking news happens to be now in midnight. Yeah,
all here for you tonight. People. A will continue to
go on about Sky, no doubt. But what I would
do is keep emailing that email address I gave you
the other day. That seems to be the way. And
already we've seen more movement from Sky, so that's positive.

(06:45):
They might be more amenable to refund you and send
someone around to help. So I think that's good intel
to get on that. But get in touch with you.
Don want to speak Marcus till twelve as I say,
oh eight and a Teddy and nine two nine to
detext and if there is something different, I'll keep your
dat threat news. By the way, we talk about oil cans.

(07:07):
Last night, there's a guy called Aaron that collected five
hundred thumb oil cans. Well, he sent me a display
of them. They look spectacular. Last night was talking about
all the different oil cans. These are the ones thumb
press oil cans I think he called them. He was
talking about how he celebrated the different patina and when

(07:30):
you see them all lined up with their different patina
and shine, it's a very very impressive collection. It's quite extraordinary.
So I really appreciate that from him. Yeah, I finally
got that. No, I only got the email tonight when
you send it last night, but it's good to see
from it. So there we go, fourteen past night. Whos
gont to be first cap of the rank tonight? Oh

(07:51):
eight hundred and eighty to eighty nineteen ninety two detect
Hope it's going well for you. January out of the
way seemed to pass for New Zealand kind of okay,
hasn't it. I don't think there's been any majes as
ourses have there for New Zealand. For January. I think
we've done pretty well with that, Marcus. I have friends

(08:12):
in Kurwee. They have at least two acre section with
a beautiful garden. As have a lot in that area.
It's growing in population with smallest subdivisions opening up. Has
lovely views of the foothold footholds of the Alps, Marcus Cure, Marcus,

(08:34):
I'm new too working in the education sector. PA to
a principle. Today we welcome the year sevens into our school.
What's that? Year sevens? Dan, Paddon Form one? Today we
welcome the year sevens into our school. I've forgotten how
huge the whole process is. So much nervous excitement, so keen,

(08:55):
so young, so naives, so very cool. I hope all
the listeners have kids starting school and coping with the transition.
Cheers from Kathy. Don't forget the tomato and mung a fire,
Marcus Chess. But that's a good point. That was a
certainly an instant in January. January good news about the
need in hospital, well good news. There seems to be

(09:19):
a tsunami of need for elderly patience in the mental
eldly mental health ward, people with Healzheimer's and the likes,
and they haven't acknowledged that at all in the building
of the hospital, and the people working in that area
are very, very concerned with not only is it not

(09:43):
fit for purpose in the future, but it's not fit
for purpose now. So you be careful about accepting that
too quickly. It's not what was planned and it's not
what was promised. There also is not the right scanning
equipment for people with Alzheimer's that is needed.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Doll.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
It's Marcus good evening.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, Marcus. Hey, look I reckon. The biggest news about
ko WII is that back in twenty nineteen they're old
one hundred year old wooden two stroid pub on the
side of the main highway on Christmas. E've burnt down.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
And not uncommon with a wooden pub, I suppose, but
it was a great old pub.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Was I was born and raised in Graymouth an elephant Cristis.
But I about six times a year old drive over
to Graymouth and I always say, oh, I must pop
in one day and see what it's like. Well I
never did it burnt down, And I guess with.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Country pubs, once they burned down, you don't rebuild them
because the margins are there?

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Are they?

Speaker 5 (10:52):
Oh, here's it they've got there.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
There's a there's a new flash place called the Thirsty Acres.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Wow, very pastoral name, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
So look, I've never popped in, but but they've got
some hearty composition competition because Darfield, you've got a great
pie shop there and then Sheffield you've got another pie shop.
So yeah, it's it's it's temptation all around.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
You tell me something, because you would have done the
train off in between christ Church and Graymouth. Does the
train line come right through Kurwe very close? Ah well
that's not very much Okay, closest but not through the
main town.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Oh yeah, well not right through them. There's probably it
would go through where there are houses. Yeah close enough. Yeah,
well I reckon, I reckon. You've got the genesis of
a of a talkback show about pubs that have burnt
down throughout New Zealand Christmas Eve and it was it
was a lovely old put.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
What happened? Must have left?

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, exactly Christmas because yeah, yeah, well they don't clean
out the foot. Did you go to the rugby today?

Speaker 6 (12:02):
No?

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Hell no, I wouldn't go watch.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Hawkld Okay, good on your nice answers. Thank you. I'll
keep it going. Being it's Marcus welcome you.

Speaker 8 (12:14):
Get at Marcus Year. I'm happy for Duneda and they
get into hospital and it's not one hundred percent what
they wanted, but it's something and it also means now Hawks,
Bay townger and Congera get their upgrades they need. So
it's you know, it's not the best, but it's win
win for everyone.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
So now we're happy to get. Now we should be
happy to get hospitals. Aren't hospitals that to fit for
purpose one of the basics of isn't that the very
most basic thing for life?

Speaker 9 (12:42):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (12:42):
Absolutely? And like, okay, it might be down a few beds,
but it means these other three regions also get their
upgrades they need. So that means that you know, you've
got four regions winning instead of one just gobbling up
all the money and the other three missing out. So
I think it's I think it's probably a lesson that
governments need to agree on six contracts rather than opening

(13:04):
contracts in the future.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I think it was Shane a Letti when he was
a health minister sort of said if this he tried
to play one region off against the other, and that
seems to be what you're telling me being you seem
to have swallowed that rhetoric.

Speaker 8 (13:19):
No, it's my my relics more so. There, you know,
before agreeing to a contract, you should be agreeing to
a fixed contract course up front rather than open end
where you caingest all the stuff as you go, and
that you know every time we hear that there's always blowouts.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Nice to hear from you, Ben, Thanks so much for that.
I like that as a topic. I like the fact
I've forgotten with Noel when I thought he'd support Canterbury Rugby,
I'd forgotten the Flues were playing. Anyway, get in touch
one names Marcus Welcome eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
nineteen ninety to text. Oh, by the way, for the

(14:01):
person criticizing Zibi host saying today is today is the
last day of January. By the way, today is the
thirty first, So I think that's person has got confused,
so I'm not surprised who knows dates? Marcus. On pubs
burning down, the guy mentioned there was a great pub
and Upper Tarkica in the nineties. It was a big

(14:22):
dramma in the Golden Bay. Is the owner burnt it
down himself to get the insurance money? Dodgy Golden Bay folk,
cheers Chris. Oh, yes, I'm sure there is a great
long tradition of people sitting light to their own pubs.
I'm not saying that's what happened with the case of Kerwei,
but you can imagine it, can't you. You can imagine
the scenario someone running a business of a pub and

(14:46):
the books aren't looking too good, and of an evening
they drown their sorrows and the stock that they are
supposed to sell, which would cloud their judgment, and on
the evening, sitting light to the pub might seem like

(15:08):
a good idea. I don't know what it's like to
be a fire investigator. I guess yeah, look, don't quote
beyond this. I don't want to get in trouble.

Speaker 9 (15:23):
Well.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
I imagine if you're a far investigator in a small town.
One of the first things would be the owner. One
of the other things would tend to be probably be well.
You'd go have a look round through the volunteer firefighters
because some of those organizations tend to protect at Trak PARAMANIAX.
I think they have trouble culling those ones. I don't
know if that's still the case. So pubs burning down

(15:46):
and kurwey there are two good topics for me. I
don't know how many, but I guess in the old days,
the wooden pubs most of them have burnt down and
been replaced with kind of cinder block buildings. At some
stage also merry and faithful tonight. If you want to
talk about her, get out your people. My name is Marcus,
welcome heador twelve o'clock. Anything exciting happening this week? And

(16:07):
who's tell me something?

Speaker 10 (16:08):
Dad?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I can never is white tongue ey day? Thursday? No
one's But didn't that happened last year? We had one
day that no one turned up? Maybe it was Tuesday.

Speaker 9 (16:23):
May.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
It was Tuesday last year and no one turned up?
Would that be because leap day jumps and hit two?
And it's not a leak day because it's not as
a leap day, because it's not a leap day. This
is a lep day. Last year was so it would
gone to hit two, wouldn't it? Ah? So of course
last year. And look, I have a very dim view
of those that I think it's disrespectful for White Tongue

(16:43):
you day to turn it for four day weekend. I
will most certainly been here next Friday complaining, and I'll
be checking the roster on ZB who do you think
will tune up on the Friday? Our Dan's not here,

(17:07):
Flip Dan's tapped out. That will go against his ledger.
So I'm curious to know which other of the Zbie
hosts and supporters will be here on Friday. Get in
touch by name's Marcus. Pubs that have burnt down? You
might have been involved in a pub fire. I'm up

(17:30):
for anything about pubs that have burnt down. That's I'm
all in looking forward to your input. Pubs that have
burnt down? And what's it called the what's the new cue?
We pub called something meadows or that sounds pretty pretty excellent.
I wonder what it would be like the finances are

(17:51):
Thirsty Acres looked pretty good Thursday Acres?

Speaker 6 (17:58):
Could we.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I'm looking at now at their website Thirsty Acre. I
don't know if it's actually on the same site. Probably is,
oh kind of. It looks nice. It looks like it's
built by distress Timber in the spurit of the pioneers.

(18:25):
He brought water from the hills and rivers to quench
these thirsty acres where prodically the fundation are providing refreshment
to locals and travelers arelike, come on in plowing when
ice cold beer, harvest o delicious menu. Get what they're
doing there, Marcus. A couple of pubs in North canter
be burnt down under suspicious circumstances. That's from Brent. I

(18:48):
won't mention them in case they've got court cases pending.
But yeah, particularly the wooden ones. I suppose too. When
you could smoke, I think particularly wooden hotels you could
stay in. You know the old days you'd smoke in them.

(19:10):
You go to bed smoking, you got to be drunken
smoking next thing, you know, no firearms, no well well,
no sprinkler systems. Only amount of time before most of
them burnt down. There wouldn't be many double story wooden
pubs left, would there. I think there might be one
or two in Martinborough. We're up there on our holiday

(19:35):
around the country. One knew it was time to go
back home. The kids kind of a bit over it there,
I thought, badly behaved. I apologize for you want the
had to witness their behavior. The original pubbet Drewy burnt down.
It was rebuilt in nineteen twenties, and rumor has it
now Murphy's Law Irish bar will soon be brought and
pulled down before it turns a hundred. Hopefully somebody knows more.

(20:00):
We'll get in touch. I think it's a very good
name for an Irish bar. Murphy's Law is it? But
get in touch with two about pubs boon down at
Or and Marry Unfaithful Marcus Plains Hotel, Edgecombe and Tunnia
to our Hotel Eastern Bay have plenty both burnt down.

(20:21):
I want to hear you if Republican are involved in
one of those pubs as it burnt down, there'd be
a good story to tell you. Someone said, it's in Thames.
What's in Thames? Hawk's Bay pubs that went up in
Flames May for a hotel and the Kalahari Nightclub. Who'd

(20:42):
call a nightclub the Kalahari? What'd you call a night
that's a des Isn't it sounds fantastic? Hawks Bay pubs
that went up in Flames Mayfair Hotel, the Kalahari Nightclub,
Morning Morning Hotel, the Murrumru Hotel twice and the Morehaker Hotel.

(21:04):
What suspicious other day and years it happened. I'm pretty
excited about something called the klor Harry Nightclub. That just
sounds fantastic. Oh, Marcus till midnight? What's happening?

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
E one hundred and eight pubs it burnt down? Marry
and faithful. Can you talk about Kurwee and pubs it
burnt down? Plenty of people sending me texts through how
come pub near Fielding two story alive and well still
has the seller where they steared stored the bear barrels

(21:42):
bear spelled differently, ticket, Tickie Pub, burnt down Public and
Marney Collier beautiful. What about the Kala Harry Nightclub. I
enjoyed some reminiscence about that good evening, Judy. It's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 11 (21:59):
Hello, Marcus. I'm sitting here and enjoying the show, and
I wanted to ring and tell you about the oldest
pub in New Zealand, which is wooden and it hasn't
burnt down, yere.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I can tell you where that is. I'll bet I
can tell you where that is.

Speaker 11 (22:13):
Okay, try it will be.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
It will be the Kentish. And why is that right?

Speaker 9 (22:21):
Right?

Speaker 6 (22:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (22:24):
I'm absolutely positive because I know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I so you reckon the oldest pub in the country
is not the Kentish.

Speaker 11 (22:35):
No, I'll tell you where it is. And I mean,
like anything else, somebody will ring up and say that
I'm wrong, But it's the Upper Moutary Pub in the
Tasman district down in Nelson, and it's on a rise
and it was built by German settlers and I can't
tell you the exact date, but it is reputedly the

(22:55):
oldest pub of New Zealand. They used to change the
horses there because it's on the rise there and stay overnight,
change the horses way back in the settler day. And
it is apparently the oldest pub in New Zealand's strong
lovely food, lovely beer. And I think it's up for
sale now if anybody's interested.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
There's no shortage of country pubs that were force Apparently
the Kentish right is the longest continuous little license in
New Zealand's. That might make that a bit different. Ah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 (23:30):
Okay, this one I'm sure was built back in the
eighteen hundreds, but somebody might ring up and know a
bit more. But I you know, I'm a local. Well
I don't go there a lot, but you know, I've
been passing it all my life. I was born in
the Tasman district and thus used to go past. And
I mean I'm up in the eighties, so it's.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Getting on a bit and it's a good pub. You
ever been there much? It's all right.

Speaker 11 (23:54):
It is a good pub, it is, and they have
it's pretty original and they have you know, bands and
special nights with special food and all sorts of stuff.
Goes on quiz nights. And I'll tell you why. I
like it too, not that I go very often, but
I like it because it's local, it's in the country

(24:15):
and I love going as well. I have. I don't
know about loves going, but I've been on a Friday night,
and on a Friday night it's all the locals come
in and they've still got their farm gear on and
they all know each other. You know. It's a real
local pub in a little village and tourists nobody goes there.

(24:37):
It's all locals and it's just like the good old days.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Love talking to you, Dan put that on my pilgrimage list.
I don't know about the Thurstay Acres. I didn't like
the puns and the they're mutali in as they came
up a Mutli in the Tasman District of New Zealand
and New Zealand's oldest pub to remain operating in its
original building. I thought the Duke of Marlborough was one

(25:01):
of the oldest too. Anyway, while there are a couple
of older licenses to operating, none of them offerating from
their original location or building. Established in eighteen fifty by Bensman,
a German soldier an immigrant, the building has remain the same,
apart from the original veranda being lost when the main
bars extended the nineteen sixties. The inn now specializes a

(25:23):
continuing changing range of craft bears goodness, real aisles and
winds around the mid to the area. So you want
to be their asap, don't you? With workers in their
real clothes there, that's what you want. Nothing can replicate

(25:45):
the Nothing can replicate the vibe of an authentic pub.
By the way, I don't know entirely exactly where it is.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
How far?

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Oh yeah, she's slightly inland. I see where it is
inland from Marpua. Getting touched by name? Is Marcus, welcome
head or twelve o'clock? Looking to what you want to
bang on about tonight? We're talking about pubs that burnt down.
Marcus oldest pub ub sure is a duke in the
Bay of Islands. Marcus are only three nightclubs back then.
The Kalahari, Snobs and Pinocchio's all terrible names. Marcus is

(26:25):
a grand wooden two story pub on the corner of
Pollen Street and Teams hasn't burnt down. Is it the
Brian Maru where they had the murder mysteries? I'll tell
you something now, there's a talkback topic wanting to happen.
Hold your horses. By the way, New Zealand's first regular
email service began today. Quite a confusing story was between

(26:46):
christ Church, nesh Burton and Timadoo. They tried them previously,
one to Dargaville and one on a seaplane to funk Urde,
but it didn't happen, so the regular But this is
not to do with the one that came from Pigeons
and Great with pigeons from Great Barrier. That's a different thing.
That was not airmail. That was called pigeon posts, even
though they fle Northcote Tavern, North Shore, Auckland eighteen eighty four.

(27:21):
Stool Busy two stories, Google it, Google it yourself. Didn't
burn down, though, did it? Marcus? The Oxford Royal Hotel
in Tito was a great pub back in its day.
It's still standing, but in bad shape. I think you
would have to have an extraordinary spirit about you to

(27:44):
make a country pub work. It would be all very
good on a Friday, But the rest of the week,
what would you do to carry out on a Tuesday?
You have a pub quiz on a Thursday. Rest of
the time, boy O Bush's hard yards and bearing in
mind to the rest of the time, you're opening the
pub up at ten thirty or eleven o'clock. Up goes

(28:04):
the screen above the bar and got the same three people.
They're telling you the same stories every day. It's gonna
be hard work in it. Putting on a brave face.
Tell me about that again, Bluie, would you tanui country pub?
They wided up a burnt down many years ago and
had to have it up and running in twenty four

(28:25):
hours to keep their license. They all got together, had
a shed ready. So nice to have Tony back. Yes,
thank you Tony, or thank you the business rights about
Tony pubs at burnt Down and two story wooden pubs
that are still standing. You so old the old Brian
brew pub and tims they used to have. There's a

(28:46):
woman that started murder mystery weekends and Boyo boided people
love them. You'd go to there on a Friday, a
chicken dear room, and then someone would get murdered, and
it rejuvenated that country pub. I guess some of the
guests were local actors. I never went, but maybe that

(29:06):
it's the solution for a country pablits to murder mystery weekends,
sort of like the original Escape Room but better. Always
sort of be a good way to murder. Someone would
be in a murder mystery weekend, wouldn't it, because you'd
get it. You'd have a I don't know why that
would work. Marcus Kingston Pub burnt down twice in my

(29:30):
lifetime in the seventies, but lots of pubs there in
the goldwashed days. That's from Lane. I think it's still
a public. Kingston was a railway town on its day.
Now it's just well, funny old town underneath the hills.
It's kind of a spooky town, spooky shady town. But
it's either speak Laders are there again, building sections like

(29:52):
there's no tomorrow, like there's no tomorrow. By the look
of the texts, it seems that the oldest pub in
New Zealand is a hotly contested and confusing category contenders
I know of for the oldest pub in New Zealand.

(30:14):
One of them is the Herdek Hordeki Hotel in the
Hoky Younger. It's gone back to eighteen thirty three. Pretty
nice place there right at the head of the harbor.
That's one of the oldest built in their extraordinary place.
The Mootary in an Upper Moutrey that is from eighteen

(30:38):
fifty It claims to be the oldest pub. The Jerk
of Marlborough and Russell opened in eighteen twenty seven now,
and the Kentish I think is a really really old

(30:59):
one as well as well as the Thistlin in Wellington.
So yeah, I'm not going to dine across for any
one of those ones, but just so you know, they
are as five claimants at least to that title. Bearing
in mind, I don't think whether they're the oldest or
I was going to change your experiences from how they're going.

(31:19):
I think want you to be concerned about more is
how they managed their modern management. Anyway. Now, I don't
know what you're in the mood to talk about tonight,
we're talking about the pubs that have booed down in
the country's oldest pubs and two story pubs that still
stand wooden ones, and also your stories of Kurwee curious
about that. The rugby was there today? All Concanterbury. Yeah, goodness,

(31:48):
well it's a pacific all con Crusaders. I guess I
should really say to get it's particularly right. So that
was played in kow we and people seem to love it.
They're probably all at the they're probably all at Plowshares now,
whatever it's called. The Crusaders. We're beaten thirty five nineteen.

(32:09):
Although it's crazy you're playing rugby in January. Seems wrong
on all sorts of levels, but that seems to be
the way now. They often take there. I know that
too for the heartland, as they take them to why
Mumo and do it there. Then we got talking about
the murder mystery things and hotels also and the Kalahari
nightclub Marcus, I know those nightclubs Hastings the late eighties.

(32:30):
My female brothers went to these clubs, and us boys
went to Wizards, and the oldies always knew.

Speaker 9 (32:37):
Where we were.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Now that i'm their age nowadays, I cringe in science.
Why hear my kids calling me the old man? That's
life mac and all the lines are free, you've got
something to talk about it, there's something different, want to
wedd All the lines are free. Be nice to hear
from you tonight. Also merry and faithful, she tooed, I think,
and he's in the nineteen ninety one. You might have
something to say about her. And she might have been

(33:00):
someone who you saw perform. Be good to hear from
you about that also tonight. So you there's some of
the top around, But if there's something different you want
to mention.

Speaker 12 (33:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
They keep going on about all these towns getting into
dark sky tourism. I don't reckon anyone's into it. I
reckon all these towns are going to have such a
song and dance about declaring themselves dark spots, and I
reckon it to dud. I mean, yeah, it's nice to
be in a Stuart Islan or something. Look in the

(33:30):
sky you can see everything. I don't think people are
going to go there for too. I don't know. I
don't want to sound I don't want to sound negative
about that. Actually I sound a bit negative then, But yeah,
I just don't see that's driving people. Kids don't care
about what's happened. I mean it's nice to see anyhow.
Nine ten Marcus till twelve oh eight hundred and eighty

(33:54):
ten eighty and nine two nine two to text. Huna
Nui Hotel is the oldest license, probably live five ks
from it. Big Gala raised there tomorrow on the racecourse
will be a great day. Come along too far for
me to drive. I'm liking where you're at on that one.
Let's be hearing from you. Oh wait on eight to
eleven past night. As I said, there's some other gripe

(34:14):
or something else you're excited about tonight. I do need
your calls. I won't beat around the bush with it. It
would be lovely to hear from you for the end
of the week. And if there is something you want
to say about these many other topics jumping, let's be
hearing from you. If you have an update of that
crash on the west coast, also a bus versus a

(34:36):
car would like to hear from you about that, So
there'd be nice too to well, it wouldn't be nice,
but if you've got some information about that also tonight.
And who's thinking of moving to Kerwee or who's lived
in kurwe Now, what else? Anything? Goes tonight. Apart from
going about about increasing the road speeds, I think we've

(35:00):
had enough of that. Remember the rat trap part near
tarcic At Burnt Down mid nineties, Good old Key, we
have tragic story behind it.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Thirteen past nine o'clock, eight hundred eighty eight. Oh, Terry, Marcus,
good evening. Welcome Hi Terry.

Speaker 13 (35:26):
Can they care they Marcus? How are you good?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Thank you?

Speaker 8 (35:29):
Terry?

Speaker 7 (35:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (35:32):
I just want to say Shane Jones with his and
what they want to do with the New Zealand economy
and all that. He said, Oh, we're going to see
a and I it's suddenly coming around in nineteen eighty three.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
I'm not understanding. He said, what.

Speaker 13 (36:05):
Is coming back to It should be in two thousand
and thirty five.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, I'm not quite with you about that, Terry,
but thank you. Nice to hear from your thirteen past nine.
I think probably what Shane Jones and Winston Peters are
going on about, they just pretty much concerned about being
relected in two years time. It's all they're on about,
saying ridiculous things to get some attention, trying to get

(36:38):
that mega movement going it's pretty sad, but that seems
to be the way they're going. That's what they're all about,
self preservation. Like they said a long time ago, they're
not serious about politics. Paul, Marcus welcome.

Speaker 14 (36:55):
You know, Marcus, I just want to make a quick point.
When you mentioned Miriam's faithful. I made a point to
some guys I worked with when Charlie Watts died about
what aging that too. Now my pointer is if you
listen to Taste, which was a folk thinger. She had

(37:18):
a beautiful crisp voice. She had three years with.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
You, Paul, can you just get your so it's frustrating
with your phone line? Can you just are you on
a speaker.

Speaker 7 (37:30):
Phone or.

Speaker 15 (37:34):
Can I'm on your phone?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I'm okay, that might be a bit bit okay, yep.
So yeah, yep, Marry and faithful and her voice yep.
And she was with the Rolling Stones with McK jagger
for four years.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (37:47):
So if you to her beautiful crisp folk singing voice beforehand,
then listen to what she is like after her time
with the Rolling Stones. And I just made the point
that Charlie Watts, if you think the whole band was
going through that experience and look how Marry and Faithful

(38:10):
changed so much. It was, yeah, a dynamic shift. And
yet you look at the rolling Stone still going strong now.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
So what was what was the point you're saying to
your workmates.

Speaker 14 (38:25):
Well, just the fact that Charlie Watts lasted as long
as he did. Think everything that was going on. You've
got to use your imagination a little bit about what
the whole lot we're going through. But three years of
that changed Mary and Faithful's voice from a beautiful folk
singing woman to very hard rock voice to that amount

(38:48):
of time. Yeah, that when I heard she'd passed on,
that was my thought. They went through some hard times.
It's lovely that she laughed as long as she did.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
And she was a hero, heroine artic, wasn't she?

Speaker 14 (39:04):
Oh yeah yeah, through all sorts.

Speaker 16 (39:07):
Yeah started well.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know the whole backstory to that,
but yeah, okay, I see kind of what we're getting
out of that one. Okay, thank you. Yeah, she had
a I guess what you say, she lived a big life.
There'd be my take on that one. She was homeless
through there. Drug abuse, I guess is what they call

(39:35):
it these days. I think and there were repercassia that
had hip seen all sorts of things too. She's been
quite open about that. I think she was hospitalized after COVID.
Oh JT. Marcus, welcome in good evening, Good A.

Speaker 17 (39:51):
Marcus talking about Mary Anne Faithful and Secrets of the
London Underground. She was based in the Soho area of
Westminster when she was working as a hooker. It's a
very tragic tale and I've done a bit of research.

(40:12):
In the seventies she did definitely go off the rails,
but she was around Piccadilly Circus, Tottenham Court Road, Paddington
and Hammersmith area of London.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Wow, okay, is that from her biographies and stuff?

Speaker 18 (40:33):
Is it.

Speaker 17 (40:35):
That's from the Wikipedia page?

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Oh yeah, goodness.

Speaker 17 (40:40):
I'd like to know what people's local underground station was
when they were in London.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
You're fair enough because.

Speaker 17 (40:54):
It just you get to know more about them. But
an auxiliary subject would be music videos featuring the London Underground.

Speaker 9 (41:04):
There's a.

Speaker 17 (41:07):
There's a page on Wikipedia which it's not it's not
only the London Underground, but music videos and that that
feature different parts of London. Yeah, that's that's quite good.
One video I could mention would be soft Cell. What

(41:30):
was there one? No, the second, the second most popular
one was filmed. I've seen the video and it's filmed underground.
Another one would be get Out of London by a
band called interfere On yep. M any music videos you

(41:51):
can think of, No, I can't.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
At the moment. I just can't see about anything about
Marin Faithful saying she's a prostitute on her Wikipedia page.
In fact, she said she wasn't.

Speaker 17 (42:06):
Oh well, there was on TV one news tonight as well.
They were saying that she was working the streets. It
showed a video of a woman. I don't know if
it was her.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Okay, I say it was homeless, but yeah, I didn't
I think she said. Anyway, I'll check that one out.
But nice to talk to you, Fred Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 19 (42:26):
Yeah Marcus, so listen to your program a long time.
I quite enjoy it. It's good fun about you are
being a bit negative about the Darker Skys because four
years ago I was having an holiday and Tekapore and
I went and out for quiet night the kneel and something.

(42:49):
When I walked m I couldn't believe the stars. It
was absolutely wonderful. I mean, I thought, I've never seen
anything like this in my life and people from overseas
would love all this if you lived in London or Britain.
It's the skies are so important.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Now, yeah, I think maybe that might be something that'd
be another reason that as part of our clean green
image they come to New Zealand and like the fact
that they can see the skies. But I don't know
if that would be a reason for people to holiday
in New Zealand.

Speaker 19 (43:28):
Believe me, if people can come from the other side
of the world just to see a bird, a kiwi
bird or anything else or wood pigeon, they certainly come
here to see the star stars. Honestly. I know I'm
Welsh and I know I've been to the pub.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
But what pub?

Speaker 19 (43:50):
I oh, I don't know, the one in czechpol Oh.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I see you have got I thought you haven't come
from the pub now.

Speaker 9 (43:58):
No, no, no, no, no, I.

Speaker 19 (44:02):
It's it's unbelievable. The skies are unbelievable. You don't see
not in Wales. I never did any of that.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, well you wouldn't. But yeah, and I mean, I
know it's always inspiring when you do see it. When
you walk out of a place like Great Barrier, Stuart Island.
I just don't know what kind of a draw cut
it would be for tourists.

Speaker 7 (44:22):
Oh it will be believe me.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
So you think people would go somewhere specifically to spend
a week there to look at the sky?

Speaker 5 (44:31):
Yes, Oka, By the.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Way, I think what j T. I think Mary and
Faithful played a grandmother in Dire Straight who becomes a
sex worker, and so that was a movie I think
called Irana Palm. I think that's what he was referring
to him. I kind of my mind took a bit
of a it was a bit of a quick segue there. Yeah,
she was homeless, but that's wasn't something that she did.

(44:56):
But yeah, but that's that was a movie because she's
a great actor as well. In I think she first
took Heroin not because of the rolling stares, but because
she was getting herself ready for a role as a
felure and tried Heroin to get her into that mad
frame of mind. But as always happens when musicians die,

(45:18):
my first questions were they in New Zealand talking about
dark skies pubs that have burnt down, including two story
pubs Murder Mystery Weekends. Marcus read the Dark Sky Reserve,
did the midnight trip up Mount John at TECHAPO a

(45:40):
couple of years ago. Fabulous, amazing what you can see
through the telescope. Highly recommended. I've got to admit, last
time I was in that region, I did try and
book for the kids, but they were booked out. I
would have gone. Marcus went to Marry and Faithful concert
at Altas Center. I think it's what it said, fabulous

(46:01):
fans there lit their cigs in the dark and got
kicked out. Marcus, Is it not the Duke of Marlborough
pub and Russell the whole of the oldest license for
a pub. I think there's about five pubs that claim
that Marcus the Welsh Guy is wrong. Breacon's Beacons is
a dark sky reserve. We can see just as many stars.

(46:21):
Nosta sue Marcus, as I come from a family of
gamblers as far back as the Crown and Anchor days.
What is the oldest ta b in the country. I'd
love to know the answer to that. Someone's know what
the oldest racecourse in the country is. That's interesting. Well,
I would imagine the oldest racecourse would be I've got

(46:42):
no idea. Okay, there we go, start researching that one.
Larry Marcus welcome.

Speaker 7 (46:49):
Oh hi, oh, I just.

Speaker 9 (46:52):
I was in.

Speaker 20 (46:54):
Got to Queenstown in the late sixties and the White
Star and Dolorate Street a third down late sixty nine sevente.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Which is which is Blarette Street.

Speaker 20 (47:07):
It's now the mall. Okay, so it was visually the
top of the wall and we got virtually that whole
block down to the Salvation Army and the post office
in one corner and the White Stars on the other.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
With the Were you there when it burnt down?

Speaker 6 (47:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (47:27):
Were you in it?

Speaker 9 (47:30):
No?

Speaker 7 (47:30):
No, I I think I was.

Speaker 20 (47:32):
Trinking down at the I.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Thought you'd be. That always seem to be a bit
of pub didn't it.

Speaker 7 (47:39):
Yeah, but uh yeah, I played rugby.

Speaker 20 (47:44):
Was one of the son Paul Midgley. Midgley's owned it
and apparently they canceled the insurance and so damn thing
burned to the ground and never.

Speaker 7 (47:54):
Got to rebuild.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
I've never even seen shots of it. Have you seen
archival photos? I'm just looking at now, maybe what white start?
Oh it's quite significant building. Oh yeah, what's a YESI building?

Speaker 13 (48:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Wow, I've never even in all my times in Queenstown
seen that acknowledged or anything about it. It looks like
it took it looks like it took up a whole block.

Speaker 20 (48:21):
Yeah it, I mean it was. It was an old
pub then, you know, in nineteen seventy, you know when
it burned. But it must have been put up, you know,
around two of the century or whatever.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
I'm just trying to look exactly on a map where
it was, and there was accommodation with it as well.

Speaker 9 (48:39):
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (48:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (48:41):
It was two stories yeah, yeah, upstairs, downstairs, little public
bar that sort of faced the post office and when
the post office on one corner. I can't remember the
street that.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Oh I can see where it kind of was. Okay, yeah,
it's where that. Yeah, okay, there's a Spats pub or
something now I'm on teeth pub in that same kind
of area. Oh yeah, Were you a musician? There were
you're a musician?

Speaker 4 (49:09):
There were?

Speaker 9 (49:10):
You?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Were you a musician? A musician?

Speaker 12 (49:16):
No?

Speaker 9 (49:16):
No, no, I just.

Speaker 20 (49:18):
And a few businesses and stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Brilliant. Okay, Well I didn't have. That's something that I've
never heard about, Larry's, so thank you for that. Never
heard about that in my life. It would be amazing
if it's still their White Star hotel. Gorgeous looking. Belding
took the whole lock up to the church. I can't
quite see where the churches to place it. First race
course in music back to first first pub's first race
course with many double story pubs, but all the likely

(49:45):
candidates have been mentioned for the oldest pub, the Hordecki Tavern,
the Whistling or the Thisland should be called the Whistle
in the Kentish Wayuku, the Upper Mutley Pub and the
Bay of Islands one the Duke and Russell still calling

(50:07):
it Russell. We changed the name of it, yet we
watched the space historic Russell. Someone know with the first
tab is someone knows where the first racecourse was.

Speaker 12 (50:22):
There.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
There used to be a racecourse at Divenport between Devenport
and Narrow Neck. That's a surprise for some of you,
isn't it it It was a golf course. I think
it was a racecourse. Any other breaking news will bring
that to you people. Yeah, Trump's been in fine form today.

(50:45):
Just say you know, I'm going to spend this whole
time watching TV and commenting on it like it's just
Johnny on the corner. It's kind of amazing they have
found muscles in our ears that did show our ears

(51:07):
used to turn to where the noise was coming from.
Forget that you're near, Marcus.

Speaker 21 (51:15):
Yeah, good evening, Marcus. I'm just going to work on
a calculated or guess or something. But I was brought
up in Timoru, but just just out of timor three
miles out of Timory was a place called Washtike, and
Washtike had a race course there, and that's where they

(51:37):
used to race. That's where Filab come from. And and
he raced there quite often at the racecourse here, and
then he went overseas to Australia and got killed over
there on purpose and murdered. The Jacks said, So that's
what I'm thinking. That would be one of the older ones.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Anyway, Well, there would be racecourses along before far Lapped,
I wouldn't.

Speaker 21 (52:02):
There, Yeah, yes, I would imagine, yes, but that that
race of course was there long before far Away. Well,
it's just you know, I'm not sure that we'll find
out tonight. Hopefully somebody might ring in with something out
of a different thing. I'm going to listen to you
till midnight. Anyway, as usual.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Good on you, that's what we want. I appreciate your
stickability for that fancy super rugby starting, and I guess
it always does. I disappointed how few Easter eggs were
in the shops. You think that'd be there early, wouldn't they?
They said they're really dragging their foot there. I don't
know what that's about. And the murder mystery pub Who
went to one of those pub murder mysteries and Thames

(52:45):
Big in the eighties always been secretly slightly fascinated by
those Having never been to one, I don't know how
i'd handle a murder mystery weekend. I'd probably be a
little bit over excited by it. Anyway. Forty years since

(53:07):
the Breakfast Club came out, goodness me, seemed like yesterday.
Rocky Marcus, Hello.

Speaker 7 (53:16):
How you going there?

Speaker 6 (53:17):
Marcus?

Speaker 22 (53:17):
There there's a bit of an old newcomer of the
old burn down. There was the ancient Britain and Naseby
burnt down in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 19 (53:25):
Do you know about that one?

Speaker 12 (53:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Tell me about that?

Speaker 22 (53:28):
Well, she's she was all gutted out, not quite burnt
clean down, but that's sort of all tidied up. So
there's only one public alex and Nasby.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Do you live Do you live in Naseby?

Speaker 22 (53:39):
No, I live in Alexandra. You and I have had
a good old chut chat there when I had that
old the old crib there and bluff there.

Speaker 7 (53:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, you and I had.

Speaker 22 (53:49):
And there was a hotel Alexandra burned down. I think
it was about nineteen seventy four here because I'm living
in Alexandra and that's been gone for a long time,
and I think they turned that into the club and
to the town and the country club. As far as
I know, I'm still here and she's been gone for
a long time.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I'll tell you one thing. There's one time that freaks
me out. It's Nasby. I've never kind of got the
vibe of that place. I've wandered around and many times
I've always thought cheap and there's something in those hills
that gives me the hebgb's well fun.

Speaker 22 (54:16):
Do you say that?

Speaker 7 (54:17):
Marcus?

Speaker 22 (54:17):
My old man worked for a Melody's Transport and I
high truck and he used to hire the you know
that that old forest coming out of there, and he
worked for renfully and I'm hearing you actually about that.
It is a bit weird get Mune through there.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
And these people look like they brought holiday homes there.
I thought, well, why would you wouldn't be a holiday there?
You couldn't rest because there's bad spirits going on. It
just seems, I mean, some great places they target, but
Nasby would be a very, very very at at the
bottom of all those lists. It's terrible. You can't even
find your way around it. It's got that terrible loose

(54:56):
thing they've tried to do. It's got funny old jas,
funny looking freaks me out.

Speaker 22 (55:01):
Well, it's quite dark because we were we lived there
when we're ever so, and dad worked for Omelli's, and
you just the sun didn't kind of shine in the
right spots here.

Speaker 19 (55:12):
Market You did right.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
It's like kings here and they're always trying to develop Kingston,
putting some of it, but stuck under that giant hell
of you a hell of a place to live.

Speaker 17 (55:21):
No, you did right, You did right.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
There's quite a few old spots here like that.

Speaker 22 (55:25):
Clyde's a bit the same too, when and once the
time you were lucky to get that really sudden there's gone.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
About four thirty.

Speaker 22 (55:32):
She's well gone by four thirty.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
And then you've got to sleep with your keys in
the car Agnition in case the damn goes. You want
to get out of there quick, smart fake, don't you.

Speaker 9 (55:44):
Right? I'll tell you what.

Speaker 22 (55:46):
But I'm in the best vessel Shard in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
There Alexandra there, what a special place there is.

Speaker 22 (55:55):
There's bucuses.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
I love it here.

Speaker 22 (55:57):
Don't been either a long long time and a lover
love her.

Speaker 19 (56:00):
She's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
When I read some story that people can't get accommodation
there or something, what's going on? What are people moving
to Alexandra for?

Speaker 9 (56:09):
Well?

Speaker 22 (56:13):
Has it grown? No, it hasn't because it's all going
to Cromwell.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, Chromas is going gangbusters.

Speaker 22 (56:20):
A yeah, going gang buses. But it's a lot of
commercial outfits here.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 22 (56:26):
When you drive around that place, where is the residential places?
It's all bloody commercial?

Speaker 17 (56:32):
Yeah here it is.

Speaker 7 (56:35):
No, No, I'll start with.

Speaker 22 (56:36):
Alexander because it hasn't really changed. It's lovely and you know,
as you said, it's a good old show.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Rocky on George, you immensely thank you for that. What
about that?

Speaker 9 (56:47):
Are?

Speaker 2 (56:48):
How good was that? Marcus Oldest racecourse is one and
new each year is dude Cure Marcus. The Devenport racetrack
claimed to be the oldest in New Zealand should still
be there. That'd make Devinport more exciting if there was
a horse racing there. The Duke of marv and some
other Northern pubs were there before New zeal And had
a government, so no licenses back then. Oldest racecourses Perongia

(57:13):
Wipa district. Oldest racecourses swang Nui Cure Marcus. Yes, Allison
Park and Devenport was a racecourse. Is now the golf course,
but as a park so he can walk around if
not playing. Named after you and Allison, who was European

(57:35):
who was a leading light of Devonport, then called Flagstaff
in eighteen ninety when he was a mayor and ran
the ferry. He also built the pump house in Tuckapuna
to provide water. You and Allison av named after him
as other streets. I live in the house he built
for his daughter on You and Allison ave regards move Millwater.

(57:56):
What a great text that was, move Thank you. I
was pleased. I was right, Marcus. I did have great
uncles who could wiggle their ears. They must have been
some of the old people. Yes, we have residual muscles
that we can wiggle our ears. We used to turn
our ears to where there was a noise before air muffs.

(58:18):
Far Lap was exported as a yearling never raced in
New Zealand. Who cares about facts, Marcus? Have you been
to the orchard already? Hot Springs Hotel? Incredible pub? Marcus?
Where is New Zealand's oldest standalone town clock? I think

(58:41):
most of the town clocks got knocked down because they
were all earthquake risks, or got modified or strengthened. I
don't love a town clock. What's the point, Marcus. Other
interesting piece of horse racing history, the Partier Racing Club

(59:02):
was established in eighteen sixty five. What do I People
so obsisted with the oldest pub. It's probably an English thing,
because in England they have pubs that have been around
since about twelve hundred. If you're there, I've been to
have a pub where people having a pub before the
Magna carta. But I don't know if that's such a

(59:24):
truist driver these days?

Speaker 16 (59:26):
Is it.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
The oldest? Would you want to go to the oldest
McDonald's or the oldest KFC, well, the oldest deary, I
don't know where the oldest dairy is in New Zealand.
This is of interest to me, the oldest dairy. I
guess where the oldest dairy in New Zealanders. You'll never guess.
You'll never guess, You'll never guess. And it's not even

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where you think it would be in that town. Very
hard to google because your Google daary it comes up
with a dairy farm. Yeah, and I don't think I

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can find the particular article I'm looking for anyway, twelve
way from ten head on midnight, no problems with that.
Keep your calls coming in pretty some pretty random units
to I quite like it, but boy, oh boy, I
can't find my notes about that. But I think New
Zealand's oldest dairy was in Timidou, but I can't find
the name of it, which is a worry for me.

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I had all that filed away people, so a less no.
But do you get in touch with your on talk
one him as Marcus welcome Hittle twelve. I hope it's
good with you, are Dave, Marcus, Good evening.

Speaker 23 (01:00:53):
Good day, Mike, I tell you good Dave.

Speaker 9 (01:00:56):
Hey, mate, I was.

Speaker 23 (01:00:57):
I was interested this morning on President Trump's comments on
you know, he's become a global expert on the air
crash investigation now and on the tragedy that and overnight
in Washington, DC, and you know, I spent the last
hour or so. Mad of mind caught me from overseas
and said, oh, what do you think has happened? And
so I've been looking through the airspace maps for both

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what they call the visual flight rules, So if the
helicopter would have been flying, you know, having to have
a look at the ground and then the aircraft flying
on its instruments, and you know what could have happened
and why, And it just seems to be it's going
to it's going to pop out of this. There's a
whole combination of things that despite all the modern technology
that we have, there's still all those little vagrancies of

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human beings involved in things. And it's beginning to already
from what I can track on all the things I've seen,
that looking starting to look like it's going to be
a tragedy of a lot of small things that have
come together in a very unfortunate accident.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Nice to talk, Dave. I agree, it's what so often happens,
I said earlier. But yeah, I don't know why Trump
being the present. I mean, when he's asked to make
a comment, he can actually speak to the head of
those organizations and find out the latest information rather than
his lazy reckons. But it's the same Trump we've always had.
I guess, isn't it. Ten o seven coffee is too

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hot to drink enough milk? Ah my fault. Hey someone said,
heaps of cars, multiple cars, police cars flying down Auckland
Southern Motorway fast as I've ever seen the police car
go by the way. How fast can they go? They
must be restricted, are they? Because someone that's a cop
text when say how fast they can go? I thought
it's limited?

Speaker 11 (01:02:31):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Maybe? Maybe not?

Speaker 6 (01:02:35):
Allen there, Marcus, I'm just going to talk to about
the Key Dish Hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Brilliant.

Speaker 6 (01:02:43):
Yeah, it's a very vocal point in Wyoku with the
farming community and the Manchew Harbor. Yep, a lot of
ships n Jane Gifford. It was a scale went right
up to Wyoke because there was wolves at Graham's Beach
and Pollock, yes, and that they do that run right

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up to Wilcoup and then also the merry people from
Waikato would go to walk and carry their canoes across
and put them in the water by the Kentish and
come down the channel and that stay for quite a while,
and they'd build their bax hats and catch fish and

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dry it and then go back to the White Katto.
And so that's all happens around by the Kentish.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Did the Jane Gifford trade mainly just within the money cow?
Is that where it would go? Just around the whole
lot wolfs there.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
Not quite sure. I'm not quite sure. I'm not a
restored you know, I'm not right up with it, but
I know all this went on. Yeah, but again they
used to have a coal shed down by the Kentish too,
which they delivered coal. And in the six o'clock closing
the boys that'd leave the pub and carry on drinking

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down there on the Wolf and Wilcoup.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
You living in workI yourself, Alane.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
I've been there all my life and now my brother
lives in Bluff. Really he brought a house called Green Acres.
It's up on the hill and he was a butcher
at the All Square and Bluff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know him. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 6 (01:04:26):
He retired.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Now, yeah, you're a nice guy. Nice guy with his dogs,
that's so. Yeah, Yeah, I met a many times. Tell
you what's his first name?

Speaker 9 (01:04:37):
Jack?

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Yeah, he looks like a bluffy.

Speaker 6 (01:04:41):
You've been there a while now, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
You never know because you meet someone having only been
there twenty three You meet someone you're never quite sure
if they've been there the whole life for there. Well
year did he move there?

Speaker 11 (01:04:52):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:04:53):
He tobally about oh the late eighties?

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Oh yeah, okay, he's been Yeah, a lovely guy.

Speaker 6 (01:04:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
He was the butcher at the four square. That's right,
Like you said, he right?

Speaker 14 (01:05:03):
Ellen?

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Was what's happening there? Because for those that don't know,
it's about thirty k's it would be thirty k's away
from the Southern Motorway going to Auckland. How far away
is it's?

Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
About?

Speaker 9 (01:05:17):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
Yeah? You're probably dead right?

Speaker 7 (01:05:20):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
So is the town close enough to Auckland now to
be booming or is it glowing? It is booming?

Speaker 15 (01:05:26):
Is it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
The populations growing a lot? It used to be a quiet,
sleepy little hollow. Yeah, a lot of people moving out
from auct and you're dead right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
And that commute to Walkland each day, would they?

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
Yes, dead right, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 9 (01:05:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
I wonder what time you have to leave to get
there in time, because it's because you've got to get
on the motorway, don't you say?

Speaker 6 (01:05:51):
Halper six in the morning. Now, there's quite a few
cars leaving down to Shame in six o'clock to Shame.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
There's not a boat.

Speaker 7 (01:05:59):
Oh that I tried it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:01):
But he couldn't get enough people back then.

Speaker 9 (01:06:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Where was he? Where was he? Where was he going to?
Was he going to when he hung out to disembark?

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
Yeah, but the only trouble is he was at Aarua Bay,
which is more tidle okay, you know, and he sort
of had more water there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
You'd pick your time, wouldn't you.

Speaker 6 (01:06:23):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Look are you older or younger than Jack Allen?

Speaker 6 (01:06:28):
I'm younger. I'm seventy five.

Speaker 9 (01:06:30):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Well, he must have been old when he retired then,
because he only seems to be gone out of there
about three or four years, has he.

Speaker 6 (01:06:36):
Well, well, that'd be right, yep, dead right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
He's he's always he's always walking around the point with
his dogs.

Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
That's right. I've seen your place to he showed me
where you live. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, and not
just one other thing. He was a guy Harold Corner
used to catch founder in the wayoku. And it's a
place called the Needles. That's not just a big sort
of bay not far from the Kentish. Yes, and he

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never went and he said, and he sold flound and
he and he lived in his boat and he frequent
the Kentish quite often, Harold, So we hadn't had a
nickname of seaweed, okay, Old Harold.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Yeah, And I think when I did some filming in
the Kentish, I think it's is it haunted?

Speaker 6 (01:07:25):
Oh there was a talk about it. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
I think I think every old pub says it's haunted
when they want to drum up a bit of business.
Get people of the.

Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
Publy right too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
But yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:39):
There is a lot of history there, just where it's situated.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Yes, and tell me something because it's been a while
since i've been to it. You know how the glen
Brook Railway did they move that right into town or
does that stop now?

Speaker 9 (01:07:51):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:07:51):
No, it's still going better than ever.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
But it's coming right into ok now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Does it what the other working Men's Club or something?

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
Is that right dead right by the Kazi Club. Yeah,
it's a good thing outside the cozy club.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Last time I went to the rail New Zealand rail
Operators conference and in ver Kargl there was a group
there from from the you know, from your local railway group,
and boy, they seem to be a the glen Brook group.
They seem to be a really young and inspirational group.
They were doing they were already onto it, so I'm
not surprised that that's going strength to strength.

Speaker 6 (01:08:28):
No, that's right on. The old train's beautiful. It's all
painted up and really nice here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Nice to hear from Yellen, really good to hear from me.
Thanks for that thirteen past ten. But to aramble about
everything tonight. We're talking about double story pubs and pubs
that have burnt down on the back of the Kurwee
hotel that burnt down in twenty nineteen on Christmas Eve.
And we're talking about kurwe because that's where the rugby
was today, where the old Auckland. The Blues gave the

(01:08:54):
Crusaders a bit of an old fashioned coaching. I don't
know what the match was, but you know, so talking
about Kurwee and pubs that have burnt down. Then we've
gone and talked about the Kalahari Nightclub and hey, we've
talked about the Brian Baru pub and Thames where they
had their murder mystery weekends. I'm desperate to go on
a murder mystery weekend. There's no short of Veld pubs.

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People should bring them back. It's like an escape room,
but longer we had a good escape room. When don't
we go to a skate room yesterday? Very good? Gee?
I love those, although I'm not that good on them.
I get focused on stuff and I yeah, I could
do better for those that don't know an escape room
when I apologize to people that this is old news

(01:09:39):
because I've been around about ten years, but I'm a
recent convert to them. So just in case there are
people out there that don't know what they are, but
also in apologies to people that know who they are
rolling their eyes at the rag. Oh, for godness sake, Mark,
let's find something more relevant to talk about what an
escape rumors? Because if you're ninety, they wouldn't have been
around like ninety years at less they have been so
an escape room.

Speaker 9 (01:09:59):
What it is is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Hip, I listen to myself. You go to a room
in a building, it's normally in town. You go up
some steas or somewhere, and there's four or five different
and you pay your money. I don't know if you
pay the money. Somebody else organizes that and you go
into the room and that's it, and you've got no

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idea what's happening. But you've got to put together clues
of what you see on the walls or in raws
and stuff like that, and you've got to solve the mystery.
It's remarkably compelling, remarkably compelling, extremely good fun. Literally one

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of those things that you could say all ages would enjoy.

Speaker 7 (01:10:58):
You do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
And it's not it's not like your ear on your
phone thing. It's just it feels like quite good old
fashioned fun. And you might find four numbers on for
I think, well, that's going to open the combination lock.
Over the combination lock, and that opens, and honestly, oh yeah,
I tell you what, I love it. I feel embarrassed.
I'm slightly slow, used to sort of be some of them,

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slightly judgment about people of our staterooms rolled my eyes.
Oh yeah, like they're a church youth group. But actually
it's can't get enough of it. Good evening, Grant. It's Marcus.

Speaker 9 (01:11:32):
Hi, Marcus, just bringing bury to tell you. I think
the Charleston Hotel known as the European Hotel got burnt
down some years ago. I don't know if they've rebuilt it,
do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
No, I know that Charleston had a number of it.
That's a gold mine in town on the west. I
think they have had a number of hotels today. But yeah,
bound to.

Speaker 9 (01:11:56):
Yeah, I used to frequent there a lot. I used
to go down to Little Constant Bay down there. It
was a little way back. I used to frequent for
many many years on long weekends and Ristmas is Worth
a chap that used to live over there. But we
used to frequent the European Hotel and I think it
got down at least twice because my friend actually had

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a great big old fashioned hotel mirror that had a
little bit of frosted you know how they used to
have the big clear mirror and they had a bit
of frosted stuff in it, and it had the e
h in the middle of it in a big ring
and that was the European Hotel, so he had got
his hands on that mirror some house, so you could

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probably google that one, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Yeah, how far what was your little beach called? What
was the bay called where your crib was?

Speaker 9 (01:12:47):
There's Constant Bay and Doctor's Bay and that south through. No,
that's right in Charleston Village itself.

Speaker 18 (01:12:59):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:13:01):
Yeah, there's a Nile River you go up the hell
the Charleston Hotel or the European was on the left.
A little bit further along you'd turn right down into
the bays and I'm not sure that one was called
Doctors and one was tall called Constance, but I can't
remember which one it was. And there's also an area

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that was called flag Stuff Hill that we used to
take walks on with the dogs with my friend Colin,
and how used to tell us to be really careful
we went on the tree on the tracks, not to
go off them because there was the big gullies down
the side with the little chinaman had bean with the
pickaxes gold mining and if you fell down them you'd

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never be found.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Did you go back there at all?

Speaker 14 (01:13:51):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:13:51):
No, it's funny you mentioned that because I was talking
to a friend today and we're planning a road trip
to go back there next week and have a look
and see. I know, the only little batch that's left
there now is the one that I used to frequent
and that was only because it was permanently lived in. Yeah,
and Colin was sort of like the unofficial dockmen of

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the Bay. Colin Hans was his name. They are a
local family over there. They are a farm on the
Nile River.

Speaker 7 (01:14:22):
Makes me good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
I feel quite homesick for the coast sometimes, even though
it's one generation away from me.

Speaker 9 (01:14:27):
But wow, oh man, when I look at some of
the photos when I was there, because I'm sixty six now, Well,
I used to go there when I was twenty something
with my mom and my sister and we'd load the
car up with fifteenth North. We'd go, you know, as
you did the road trip, and stay there for two
whole weeks, and we had the whole place to ourself.

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It was absolutely abuless. And I look at the pictures
and I go, oh God, those were the days.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
And you'd go across from christ Church, would you grant?

Speaker 9 (01:15:00):
Yes? I would mate. Yeah, I've just brought myself a
new car. You see. I've just similarly retired. So I
brought myself a new for Romeo. So needs Alfhi needs
to go on a road trip.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Did you buy it?

Speaker 13 (01:15:11):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Is it brand new?

Speaker 9 (01:15:14):
No, it's second hand. But it's very modern. Wow, it's
one of it's a little Alpha Romeo Mito and it's
got fletty paddles and all those sort of edgems, you know. Yeah.
I used to have an Alpha Romeo Spider, a nineteen
eighty one Spider that was a left hand drive convertible.

(01:15:36):
They just recently trade it up.

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
It's hold.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
It's quite a compact little cat, the Meto. It's still
got their distinctive alpha front grille, hasn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:15:44):
Oh yeah, man, they are stylish. They are stylish vehicles.
Yeah yeah, I love a bit of Italian. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Good dear the Passion Ground, thank you for that. Twenty
past ten. We're away people here, you're going? What's tippening?
My name is Marcus good Evening Marcus. The Manaiah Pub
hotel boot down ten years ago, but the White Hart
and Hawara is still going strong since the eighteen sixties.
Marcus I lived in Wyuku twenty twelve to twenty seventeen.

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Beautiful towning community. I'm there every other week visiting family.
I do some cycling around there. Still train comes right
into town twenty kilometers to pook Akhi, so I used
to drive was Cyber to Poky and catch the train
into the CBD about ninety minutes. It's not bad because
you could do your Google searching on the train, couldn't you.

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I sometimes drive all the way to the Auckland CBD
sixty k's about an hour leaving six am. Back then,
Wyaku has a lot going for it, close to Kadiyatahi
Beach and beautiful Ayuku Forest for walks and runs. I
don't think I know the Wayuku Forest. Amazing cycling down there,
especially the ride up are fifty pincer to the lighthouse

(01:16:59):
and back eighty ks eighteen hundred meters climbing were worth
the ride. The last year I lived there, Greg Johnson
played at the Kentish to crowd about sixty. I'll never
forget that. Greg was incredible. Jk K. I think Greg
Johnson is about to tour again. Former school friend and

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friend of mine, Well, I guess you're still a current friend.
I suppose you'd say I didn't know anything about I
know about the I know about the lighthouse. I know
about the guy that was the pilot at the lighthouse.
He used to call the show and I've met him.
He's the guy at the lighthouse at the end of
our futu that looks down to make sure the ships

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can come across the bar, although the ship is not
there or that the bars. Well, the bar is there,
but they don't bring ships across anymore because the cement
ships don't come up. Good evening, Gary Marcus, Welcome.

Speaker 15 (01:17:52):
Hey Marcus. It's an interesting and out area in the
Hypersts Coast. We've had three hotels burned down there while
we were one. We had a Song of Prior Hotel
Boy and I we were trust Heaven burned down as well.
It's been quite interesting area, a good talk to have hotels.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
And I thought I knew about pubs, but I knew
about the Wade Hotel.

Speaker 15 (01:18:17):
But the those three and the Waite Hotel burnt down
early years as well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Okay, but when did when did those three burned down?

Speaker 6 (01:18:25):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (01:18:25):
I was trying to think that I used to work
in the in the song and Pro Hotel, and that
was I left there in nineteen ninety that burnt down.
After that, I dow a trust cabin. I worked there
as well, and we're.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Got a good omen.

Speaker 15 (01:18:39):
They keep on burning down every time I leave. It's
not very good at all. So that was burnt That
was the nineties that burnt down. So yeah, it's really
interesting and and why we were of course it was
the early set was one there, but the old the
replacement wins as well, so and the Wade had a

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very early one electrical that wins as well. So yeah,
we've had a history of boom downs in our area.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Cray it was called the funger Pro was called the
funer Pral hotel, was the pub.

Speaker 6 (01:19:14):
It was old pub.

Speaker 15 (01:19:16):
It was owned by the Crows owners there and it
was also run earlier by Gary Gosh what was his name?
It was an Auckland begod player. Yeah, so it's it's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Quite the way the way Tevan was run by Buck Shelfond.
What was it, Gary Witton?

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
Wasn't It wasn't Gary written.

Speaker 15 (01:19:46):
Gosh. I remember his last day.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Sorry, sorry, the little cub to me, I'm almost It
was called the funger Pro Pub. Is it what you're saying?

Speaker 6 (01:19:54):
Yep?

Speaker 15 (01:19:54):
It was a had a house far up stairs, had
a public bar downstairs, had a lot of bands in
those days. I mean, you know, the pub scene was
quite good in those days. Live bands were everywhere. When
I managed to the area of Trust Tavern, we had
van Z all the time, you know, we get had
a sad and bits and pieces and the stuff playing there.
And because they had a great garden bar. So those

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those bars there was the days where bands did the tour,
the dB tours or the lion Bury tours, and all
these pubs had great facilities, you know, they were huge,
and it was always the way.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
The White Tavern was always great because they had the
big outside thing for concerts. That was a great outdoor pub,
wasn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:20:38):
Yes it was, and b had that for a long
time and and they've sold off different areas of that now.
But Buck actually what actually extored but is the wash
World where Buck stall and Za and I think he
Stall leases out.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
There the bar as well.

Speaker 15 (01:20:55):
So it's it's come a little bit smaller, but the
Wave's got a great reputation. It's been got up as well.
They spend a million dollars and doing that up and
it's actually a lovely place to have a bit of
a dinner, so that the old places that are getting
done up, but the ones got burnt down just never
got replaced.

Speaker 9 (01:21:11):
They were gone.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
So where about who about some pro what's the pro
pub up.

Speaker 15 (01:21:16):
By the by where the mall is now the Plaza mall.
It was up the back there and there was a
BMX track in front of us, I.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Believe, I didn't vaguely think of where it was.

Speaker 15 (01:21:27):
Yeah, okay, yeah, it was up the back of the
back of it, towards Wade River Road. A huge complex
accommodation of everything there. It was in those days. They did,
didn't they. I mean even why were it did.

Speaker 8 (01:21:40):
As well?

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
So was that a licensing trust area?

Speaker 15 (01:21:45):
No, I don't believe so, but the trust license a
trust was a licensing trust and had board. I used
to run that community board, okay, And it was kind
of right because they got offered at the top of it.
I don't know you were too too well, but it
used to be down the bottom. But up they got
off of the land right at the very top of
a hill there, which would have been magnificent. They decided

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to go here. They skipped who it was. But yeah,
as well as the development now as you know. But
Worry of course has lost its hot pools.

Speaker 9 (01:22:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
That's a bit of a wasteland now, isn't it with
the motorway not going there and the hot puls going
and it's a bit sad.

Speaker 15 (01:22:23):
A it's really really sad market. It was a huge tourist.
I mean, I'm sure yourself is many others with there
as kids, and it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Was the only place to go.

Speaker 6 (01:22:34):
Gary.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
I've got to run for headlines, but look fantastic to
talk to you. I've enjoyed that. Didn't remember those pugs
and that pub and flying up Robert, you might as
well get in touch. Someone said it was the All
Black was Gary English that had the pub. I don't
know if that's true or not, but you might have
something to say about that. Of course, a lot of
All Black's got pubs. Simply what you did, you played

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and then yeah, because of course it wasn't professional. Then
you got on a circuit with the but you've got
a pub, because who wouldn't go to a pub runbow?
All Black makes seeds, doesn't it? Twenty nine away from
eleven pubs that burnt down thanks to NOL. I wasn't
sure if I had much faith that topic was pretty good. Marcus.

(01:23:16):
The White Pelar Hotel burnt down in twenty fourteen north
of christ Church, Thank you for that. Marcus. The White
Star Hotel in Queenstown burnt down Year's Eve nineteen seventy.
I sadly watched it. Yeah, that would be quite a
for the local volleys to fight there. There was a
big two story building that one that would have burnt

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for a while. dB Marcus, good evening.

Speaker 5 (01:23:44):
Good evening. I don't like the place ever burnt down,
but it was one of my greatest pub experiences. The
first time I went to the pu Hoy Pub, great place,
and I was second in line at the bar, and
so the guy in front of me got served. I
ballied up to the bar and the barment says just

(01:24:05):
a minute, pulled himself a double shot of whiskey, scaled
it and says, right, what's your problem? And absolutely stunned.
So what a great place?

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Yeah, and he was sort of legendary for that sort
of behavior. Am I right?

Speaker 12 (01:24:27):
That?

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
The absolutely correct? His wife apparently had the license because
he wasn't always the most sober person in the place,
but just fair. I donated some railway memorabilia to it
because it was a living museum. It was just you
could just walk in there. It's just fantastic just to

(01:24:48):
look around the place, the stuff that he had collected
or the denoted donated like mine, but just fantastic. I
went there probably only four times in my life, but
every time was absolutely memorable.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
That's what you want to do, is create something like that.
And Yeah, the guy's legendary, and I think probably I
think his daughter now has it, is that right?

Speaker 9 (01:25:17):
I might.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
I've been there in the last year or two and
that seemed to be what I could remember from it
that you know, he's no longer running. I don't even
know if he's still.

Speaker 5 (01:25:25):
Alive, but I doubt if he's evil alive.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Yeah, but the family's still got it, I think, because
I think I imagine too out of country pubs that
one would be a license to print money. Because you've
got all these aging people now with their motorbikes. Well,
they're always looking for somewhere to go, aren't they.

Speaker 5 (01:25:41):
Well that's right. I'd said that on one of my
visits and there were dead bodies all over the front lawn.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Yeah, okay, just.

Speaker 7 (01:25:50):
Brilliant, that's what you.

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
Want, yea, a guy wan, Sorry, that's what you want.
Absolutely a pub with character.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
And also handy, close enough to a big city that
people can go there for you know, weekend drive.

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
And yeah, I think they snapped up their actor, you
know under the new high lost and everything, because I'm
talking about oh gosh, about the nineties they did. Yes, maybe, no,
it must be best than that. It must have been
the eighties. So I was going there because I moved
out of from about that stage.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
I don't know what's happened to Pooh Hoy, because of
course you'd go north of Walkron the Hardbridge in the
Highway and then you'd be a turn off. But these
days you're kind of whisked right past the turn off
with the new Holiday Highway, so it might become a
bit more of an afterthought.

Speaker 9 (01:26:43):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
I don't know if that's the case or not, but
I just wonder how busy it is these days. I
presume it's probably still very busy. But I'm just curious
about that because it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
Doesn't surely that would make it a destination. Yeah, right,
make a point to go there, as opposed to, oh,
here's an idea, because we saw the sign go.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
By Yeah, are you planning it? Are you planning a
trip anytime soon?

Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
I'm like to do one more road trip before the
wooden coffin gets me and lives a lot of the north.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Is it close?

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
T No, I'm in my cats No.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Is it close too? Is a wooden coffin close?

Speaker 5 (01:27:22):
I see what you mean. It's according to my quack,
it's getting closer by the minute, it's getting closer by
the hour. So it every happened to be at once
at some stage. But I've got a couple of years
less than me, and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
You've got more than that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
Well, I'm practical about this ship. I'm sorry about the stuff,
just the way it is. And oh, life's not a
box of chocolate. It's a string that's burning from one end.
But I've done my strength from both ends.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Okay, fair enough, Okay, Well I hope you get back
to Foo hoy.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
Yeah, that'd be great, nice.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
To talk to TV. Thank you for that, Todd, Marcus Hello, Hey, hey, Marke's.

Speaker 7 (01:28:10):
How you gang?

Speaker 9 (01:28:10):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Thank you?

Speaker 7 (01:28:11):
Todd especially made great topic because you know it brings
back memories. You know, it brings back memories going up
on why Heckey Island. Yeah, you know not not always
a lot of things to do over there. Back and
I would have been I would have been, uh ninety

(01:28:34):
eighty three, eighty four, you know, not a lot to
do over there. And you know this place called Simon's
Place opened up. Hey it was it was a hotel or.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
You're still there, Todd, Yeah, I'm here. Yeah it was
a hot yeah, and a boot down did it?

Speaker 7 (01:28:56):
It burned down? You know, and it was just like
the go to place Heckey Island, you know, and it
burned down. It's just like, what are we going to
do now?

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
And was it a pub?

Speaker 7 (01:29:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
It was, it was.

Speaker 7 (01:29:10):
It was a food it was. They had a license,
they had arcades everything. It's called Silent m It was great, bro.
And then just just you know the old icon post
a lot that go up and it's like, you know gone,
you know, it's gone.

Speaker 21 (01:29:27):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
This is the curse of having I guess the curse
of having places. I think what happens too was quite
often if there's hotels and stuff like that and they're
doing laundry and they're not clearing out the laundry vents
and things, quite often they catch fire. It's just one
of the curses of the job. I suppose Leanne it's
Marcus Aloe.

Speaker 16 (01:29:46):
Oh hi Marcus, I just see you're talking about the
old poor boy pav A few things. A couple of
weeks ago we popped up there Olive Noriba and they
had the X you know, the X Men competition, oh
years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Yeah, that's chopping, that's chopping logs and stuff. Oh that's great.

Speaker 14 (01:30:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:30:03):
And they had a big stand set up a on
the pub, on the grass area. There were thousands up there.
But what was really told was that just before we're
about to leave, they had this competition. They said torn
about this eleven year old boy that was going to
join in. And this kid joined in and he was
with the big boys, and he did not stop. He
was of course all the guys finished, and he kept going.

(01:30:26):
He kept going, and he never stopped and never hesitated,
and the crowd got behind him and he chopped his
law And the look on this kid's face when he
finished it was just priceless. Not he'll be a chat
one day, for.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
It's the standing long and it's the logs horizontal. Yeah,
I know. Yeah, we go on, Yeah, we go quite often.
We go quite often to the wood competition to chop
and yeah, I love it.

Speaker 16 (01:30:54):
Yeah, it's it's just such a great day out. But
also I remember when we moved overved from Glenfield eight
years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Glenfield Wow out a.

Speaker 16 (01:31:04):
G Field have old, went to the DEFL College and
all that, and we found this magic spot at the
top of the hall. I mean a diver was a door.
You couldn't do it now what we were able to
do back eight years ago. But anyway, we went to
the Puhi Pub one evening for dinner and we got
there it was really busy and we thought, gosh, it's busy,
and then we realized they said, oh, do you have

(01:31:26):
a ticket? Do you have a ticket?

Speaker 9 (01:31:27):
And were so poor?

Speaker 16 (01:31:28):
What And it was the locals and it's a local
game night that they put on and everyone cooks and
they put it in the big old dining room and
we didn't know and they said, oh, you guys can stay,
just come and join us. And we went in and
the food it was felt unbelievable in all the locals
from the area. It's like a bring a plate thing

(01:31:49):
and they were made. So it was a great night.
And also they still have their bands up there on
a Sunday afternoon. You go up there and people dance.
It's just like really good vibes all the time. Every
time we go there, we enjoy it. Good food, amazing food.
And yeah, it's just a little gem that Poor Hoy Pa.
It really is. And and in the local our local

(01:32:10):
rack this week, I just saw they got a grant
to repaint it and fix the veranda and do a
bit of restoration work because the owners couldn't afford to
do it all. And they actually got a grant to
hold onto it and do a bit of work on it.
And the landscape for now it's a bit more teared.
Before it used to be a bit of a bank,
you know, to the bar. Anyone sit on the bank.

(01:32:32):
Now it's a little bit more teared, so there's more
tables and chairs and but I don't know if you
remember with the floods we had up here, that whole
Poor Hoy got absolutely done, Like the general store and
all that got absolutely the whole street.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
I don't know that, Okay, it wasn't aware of that,
that makes sense.

Speaker 16 (01:32:52):
Yeah, yeah, and they had major damage and and all
the locals just got in and cleaned it all up.
And yeah, but yeah, I thought it would have an impact.
Was the motorway of my way. I'd go up and
down all the time were and quite often it's just
it's easy for me to take the old road. But
the only thing you see up there is the cops

(01:33:14):
in there. But the pinging everyone up there, going up
on that old grove that you've got to watch up there. Yeah,
so you're to do a great pub and because they
live over, I'll go down to waya quite a lot,
walk the dog around there quite a bit. And I've
still got that little old pub across the road from
the Poles. Yeah, I think they're struggling, but it's still then.

(01:33:37):
It's got the little mini golf and all that. But
in the weekends still people go out there and check
it out and stuff.

Speaker 15 (01:33:42):
But yeah, what do you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Miss lately and what do you miss most about Glenfield?

Speaker 11 (01:33:52):
I had.

Speaker 16 (01:33:52):
I had a great time. I am good friends. Was
affiliated with the Glenfeld Rugby Club all that pay Touch
rugby when I was a for twenty odd years, and
that was good. It was a good community really back
to from the old days. We had a lot of
fun and a lot of the times.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Yes, one of the bestly and thank you. The g
Field sixteen to eleven hurdled twelve pubs that burnt down
and endless pub nostalgia. It seems I'm not complaining most
pubs at one stage on other sent have burnt down.
And Gary played for Auckland, not in All Black. Maybe

(01:34:31):
played for All Backs for the mid I don't know.
I'm not so big on who were the All Blacks
and who had pubs. You could probably fool a whole
All Black fifteen team with publicans. I would imagine mainly
Ford's not Backs that got the pubs, though perhaps do

(01:34:58):
get in touch by name's Marcus. Welcome, Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty nine detext looking for When are
the Grammys Monday? We don't see them? Can we watch
them online? There's my mate, it's not it's nothing to

(01:35:23):
do with Wicked. That's it's just one of the Grammy's
just music. It's all the Bill Taylor, Swift and dead Poets.
Won't it, that'll be it, that'll be that's her walking
up and down. Okay, I'm not going to disparage her
back cannon, but yeah, sure, won everything. Then you go
next days you go to the off to the old

(01:35:44):
football godness. So there we go. That's all happening next
week the Grammys. You wonder why they still have the Grammys.
Well I guess it's the same. It just little. It
happens on Spotify and things now, doesn't it. So just

(01:36:06):
all that works. The Grammys are on, They're coming up
on Monday, and the Super Bowl will be the February
the tenth, so to be a week between the Taylor
thirty days until the NRL. The kids were talking tonight
about doing their fantasy football. I said wait, I said, wait,

(01:36:29):
you don't know who, you don't know who's injured, what's happening.
Lewis under a cloud for his first match for the Tigers.
I think Eels have got a new captain. That guy
that's really good, that played for the new South Wales team.
I'm happy with him. Mitch Moses. I think I'll couldn't

(01:36:51):
get Gutterson's gone, so that's going to be excited. I say,
you've got to wait, I'll get fixated. Marcus and McKenzie District.
The Burks Pass Hotel burn down in nineteen ninety four,
not rebuilt, and in twenty nineteen the Ackapor tavern burnt down,

(01:37:11):
What a good topic for ring great memories. The Takaha
Pub run of the coast. First time I walked in there,
we had shot a deer or daybreak, been for a diving,
got pity of race but an hour or so and
got all the fish when needed. And we're at the
Takaha at exactly one pm. I said to my mate,
it just can't get any bit in this when he
pointed to the large window at the end of the bar.

(01:37:33):
Coming into the bay. As I took my first sack
of my handle of sons, was a huge pot of walkers. Unbelievable.
Burnt down. Marcus would love to join the topic site,
but a quite upset thirty million dollars extant compensations paid
out of the past two to three years for East

(01:37:54):
scooter accidents. Oh my god, and I know no on
my premiums has gone up so much. You should start scootering.
The Patamahoei Hotel had a fire wipe. The pub North

(01:38:14):
can to be burnt down thirteen past eleven. Let's start
with you for the hour, Daniel. It's Marcus.

Speaker 18 (01:38:22):
Good evening, Marcus Daniel speaking. Hey Daniel, Hey, I'm I'm
in the in the hills in christ and our lounge
kind of faces towards the west, towards Lake Alisma or southwest,
and first time in my life I literally just saw
this brilliant light with sort of like fame and then

(01:38:45):
it went over towards the very southern part that went
fluorescent green, presuming it with a meanting all but first
time in my life I have seen anything. So it's
fucking cool. I was. I was wondering if you saw
anything down your end of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
No, look, Daniel, First of all, you sound like incredible,
credible witness. So are you on the Littleton side of
the hills.

Speaker 18 (01:39:09):
No, a place called Westmorland, which is.

Speaker 9 (01:39:15):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
But you look over lake elsewhere.

Speaker 15 (01:39:16):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
You look southwest?

Speaker 9 (01:39:19):
Correct?

Speaker 18 (01:39:19):
Exactly, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
So it was in a southwest direction and it appeared
to And this is just recent, This is not long
ago at all.

Speaker 18 (01:39:26):
Right, three forms ago?

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Dan, Can you go check that website the media Dan's checking.
There's a sort of a crowd sourced meteorite spotting website
run by a crowd in Dunedin Otag University and that
and they are very big on it, and they also
check from dash cam footage and doorbell footage to get
correlation to work out where you saw one. So they triangulate.

(01:39:50):
So what's that website called Dan Fireballs, Dottie and z.
So if you want to do that, that's where it's gone.
I will find out from other people if anyone knows
they things. So was it looked like it was coming
towards earth?

Speaker 7 (01:40:09):
Right?

Speaker 18 (01:40:10):
Yeah? Basically yeah, we've gone over the horizon like so
you know, if you're in the South, you would have
been the last person to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
I'm just trying to find Okay, Dan, Look, I will
do my damn just to find if anyone else has
seen that.

Speaker 12 (01:40:28):
You.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Are there any Facebook pages or anything like it? Is
there a christ Church Facebook page or who else would
have if if anyone's got the information about that? I mean,
that guy sounds serious. It doesn't sound like an idiot.
Sometimes people you think about meteorites were cheapest creepers. So
if anyone's seen that, please let us know. They might

(01:40:48):
be a truck driver or something like that. Good evening, James,
it's Marcus. Hello and welcome. Yeah, Hi, hi James. Have
you just seen that?

Speaker 10 (01:40:59):
Yeah, I'm just about coming into there. I'm driving and
it came down actually in front of me, to the
left of the uh any rift of the main tail
rods of State Highway One. Definitely, I thought it may
have been a flair it was that bright, but it

(01:41:21):
was definitely green.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
So you're driving south into.

Speaker 10 (01:41:26):
Eshburton, Yes, I'm just about Ashburton now and it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Was on the left, did you say of your car?

Speaker 15 (01:41:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:41:34):
Wow, between the State Highway one and see Okay, yep,
definitely definitely seen it. Okay, it was like a white
It had like a white tail and it was green.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Sure, and you think it might have hit the ground.

Speaker 9 (01:41:55):
I wouldn't mind.

Speaker 10 (01:41:56):
Betting, because it was quite low when it disappeared.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, I appreciate that, James. Thank you. Someone
said Marcus kemping on the shores of Lake saw the
most amazing meteor. I ended up the whole sky, said
just now, Yes, Marcus, it turned green as it went.
Meghan and Tim, I better find out what lake that is,

(01:42:23):
because if it's Lake how We're, that's quite far south.
But it might be another lake. I'll just put Lake
how We're question Mark. If you've seen that too, that well,
that's I'm convinced that that's been a big that's been
a big deal. Marcus Greyhound Pub at Adahuda on the
West coast just did a hoe you take a burnt
down twenty years ago Shannon Pub burnt down. No surprises there, Hello, Bob, Hello, Yeah, Marcus, evening.

Speaker 6 (01:42:56):
Good.

Speaker 12 (01:42:56):
Marcus just got a couple of bits of information about
two Hoy Pub and the Kentish pub down and Wayuku.
They they both have a common denominator and being old
pubs with.

Speaker 9 (01:43:11):
The youngest band.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Oh tell me more.

Speaker 15 (01:43:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:43:16):
The band's called Rumpus Machine. They are teenagers from tor Bay,
a family band, and they play at In fact, they're
playing at the Pouhoy tomorrow at one point thirty, but
they also play down the Wayuku and last weekend they
played down at Tapo. They were the opening act for.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Culture Ship as were they prepared to travel.

Speaker 12 (01:43:45):
They're wonderful. They also go up to Kai Who which
is north of Datable. There's an old pub up there.
They play there on occasions.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Yeah, that's an older but that's an old railway town
Kai Who Are they your kids?

Speaker 15 (01:43:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Are they your children?

Speaker 6 (01:44:01):
Bob?

Speaker 12 (01:44:02):
No, No, my kids. I'm pretty closely associated with them. Yeah,
and their parents are just wonderful. They take them everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
They just looking at them. Are they brothers, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:44:17):
Two brothers and their twin sisters. So this is the
oldest one. The oldest one seventeen, and he's younger brother sixteen,
and the girls are fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
So the drummers. The daughter obviously, she's one of the
twel Oh, okay, there's the there's three guitars up the
front and drums at the back. Okay, is their father
or mother a musician? Bob, you're still there. I've done
it again. I've gone to Piffluence Gone dead dawn. The

(01:44:49):
same thing's happened again. Are you still there? But he
can't hear Are you still there?

Speaker 15 (01:44:54):
Bob?

Speaker 9 (01:44:57):
Old?

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
I put are you there?

Speaker 15 (01:45:00):
Bob?

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
I think something cuts out when I'm going to piffle
to hear music. Just have a chat to se if
he's still there. I think the same thing happen last
night when I pushed that Day's gone. I wonder if
that's something that's short circuited Rumpus Machine. They seem to
have done quite well at the Smoke Free Rock Quest Finals. Oh,

(01:45:29):
pretty good gig to have twin sisters in a band,
a family band from Torbay that played classic rockets and
some originals seemed to be hard working. Got a Facebook page,

(01:45:50):
of course they have and on Instagram. Hi Kevin, it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
Hi Marcus. Kevin her from Paris and North. I've only
just tuned in, but yeah, I know, I know one
of those, you know, late back from work and all
this and thing. But you're talking about pubs that have
burnt down. Has anyone ever mentioned the new tay Happy

(01:46:18):
Hotel on tyre Happy that burned down in the mid
ninety nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
No, tell me about that. No one's mentioned that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
Oh okay, well, there were two pubs in tire Happy.
There's a workingman type of course, but that's gone. There's
a Greatna hotel on the corner a Mattawa Road and
the Hasapu Street. And there was a new tay Happy
hotel about halfway down Tapu Street as you head south
on the left, and there's a new world there now.

(01:46:47):
But it burnt down in the mid ninety nineties and
I caught it on a TV news item and I've
still got it on tape, and that was quite a historic. Yeah,
I was living there in seventy four when I was
of the railways there, and of.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Course should be with the way is there, what a
great railway townlet is? So you videoed it because you
knew the pub.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
No, no, it was on a news item on TV
and I had my videotape in my video recording machine
to catch anything like that that comes up. So I
hit the button and I got it there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
Well, that is fair. So what sort of stuff would
you record on TV?

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
Or anything interesting? I know I'm in reach of the
coffee right out, and you've probably bought me for that,
but that's no.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
No, I'm just curious if you just video recorded fires,
if you're into watching fires.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
No, no, no, no, no, not like that at all.
But it just featid tie heavy where I used to live, anywhere,
anything that I was associated with my personal life, I
would record.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
It a great and it burnt right to the ground,
did it?

Speaker 9 (01:48:02):
Yep? Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:48:03):
There's a new World supermarket there now where it used
to be.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Yeah, that's trouble. Most pubs probably wasn't worth while rebuilding
them because they are probably marginalized. Marginal anyway now with
drink driving and sky TV and all these off licenses
everywhere that sold cheap beer. I put going to the pub.

Speaker 19 (01:48:20):
No, no, exactly, at least you can smoke it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
At least you can smoke at home.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
That's true enough.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
I just thought that's a real window of the wil
Kevin Thank you twenty four, twenty three, twenty two twenty
one from twelve Marcus. I believe the be Lee Hotel
has been burned to the ground three times. The Sheffield
Hotel was destroyed in twenty twenty one. The hot Art
Pub barely damaged, but they did reopen. Whoever now currently
an arts studio. Ker Wee Tavern fire was Christmas Eve

(01:48:49):
twenty nineteen and the site is now a new restaurant.
The Bluff Hotel in Colgate burot down. Not sure when,
at least fifty years ago. They are all within an
hour's radius of each other in mid Kendbury. I'll tell
you what didn't burn down real often Auckland pubs. A

(01:49:09):
lot of wooden pubs in Auckland are still there. Not
many have burnt down. What's that about? Maybe because it's
warm out and have the big fires going the whole time.
That's the topic. Fires that have been pubs that have
Burnt Down, Burnt to the Ground.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
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