The edge of despair (9 September 2024)

The All Blacks have lost to South Africa (again) - and people have things to say about it ... including Lois !!

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus Lush Nights podcast from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'd be greetings and welcome. I hope you're good. Don't
know what I say, I hope you're good, but I
do kind of generally hope you are good. I've gone
had a one of those, a very busy day, which
I wasn't expecting. So there we go, So come to
work slightly frenetic. It's just been one of those. And boy,
oh boy, I'll tell you something. There's certainly no drought

(00:35):
down here. Boys. It rained. It's rained and rained and
rained for days. It feels like cat in the hat weather.
It's rained and rained and rained and rained and rained
and rained and rained. Anyway, no dramas there. But oh
and I'll tell you something too. I'll tell you something
that is as a minor quibble. I don't like to

(01:00):
come to work after my mind minor quibble on the
way to work at the supermarket. But gosh, check your privilege.
I have a mind to quibble with breakfast cereals because
they all kind of have similar names and similar colored peckets. Yeah,

(01:26):
it sounds like a very boomer thing to say, you know,
by about the wrong one about four times in herrow.
There was one particular kind. It was like a cereal
like a granola. I got get was delicious.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Poor.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Do you think I can find it again? Spent hundreds
of dollars just trying to find can't get that anyway.
So now I've become the guy that's taking photos of
my cereal, so when I go to the supermarket, I
can check the other ones to make sure they are
the same. Now that is desperate, isn't it anyway? Anyway? Anyway, anyway,

(01:57):
I'm waiting for Lois to call. For those that don't know,
Lowis called last Monday and she was appalled with Scott
Robertson as the coach of the All Blacks and she
was free, despondent and upset about his performance. And she
was not inconsolable, which she was. I think it's what
you'd call a righteous anger. And I said, don't worry

(02:18):
about it. This was last Monday. This was like a
we guys said don't worry about On Sunday, we will
beat so they we were ten points and she said
she would call back either way. And I was very
confident that would thresh you for South Africa, which she
wouldn't call back because she'd beat in humble pie. Instead,
it's me eating humble pie, and I'm looking forward to

(02:39):
Lowest calling to congratulate her on her wisdom and of foresight.
Now I know it's not a sports show. However, I'm
not too concerned about that, and I've kind of got
to that point in my life where i think, yeah,
I think maybe it's not the coaches, Maybe it's the system.

(03:01):
A lot of good writing over the weekend about the
rugby with Gregor Paul and all sorts of people. It
just seems as though, kind of we've got it wrong.
Super rugby is not doing what it needs to do.
So the read players are playing in the competition which
appears to be better. And yeah, things have changed irreparably

(03:28):
in the rugby world. So perhaps with the stick of cards,
even the very best coaches in the world wouldn't be
coaching a victorious all black team. However, I thought there's
some good new young players. Well it was reasons to
be positive, but unfortunate for people, they're very tough. They

(03:50):
don't let the team rebuild, do they. We want to
have victory right away, and fair enough, I suppose that's
what we demand has been sports followers, we Sky subscription.
We expect the team to win. So yeah, I didn't
get up at three. I meant to, but I end
up watching it at six. I last it about the
sixty fifth minutes a check for the score. I thought, Gee,
this isn't going well. John Att's Marcus, good evening and welcome.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah, good evening. How are you good? You know, I
was pleased. I was pleased to all the South Africans
one and Lois has did one hundred percent correct, you know.
He He's coached a team down the South Island there
and half of them were all ex all blacks, and
that's why they won. But when he's with a team

(04:33):
that are just young fellas learning, he's got to put
up with that. And they were too good, all right,
weren't they.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
They seemed to be really sketchy under the high balls,
so they could put them to the test with the
high ball repeatedly, and they weren't good at taking them.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yeah, yeah, you know Lois had it pretty right though,
didn't she absolutely?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
And she was passionate also, and she seems to have
been Yeah, and look I don't I don't share the same. No,
as long as we went. You know, if he gets
us to the World Cup, we do all right there,
I'll be happy and brings new players through.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
And there was a couple that. I mean it was
the backs that look patchy, the Fords look for every good.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah, they're they're there. They are a tough outfit, aren't
they When they when they get moving and they once
they get close to the to the scoreline, by god,
you look out. They don't miss the past, are they?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
No?

Speaker 5 (05:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
And yeah, but we don't score on the last twenty
some I spoke. I was asking about match fixing, which
I thought was a bit rum nol. It's Marcus, welcome,
good evening.

Speaker 6 (05:44):
Hello Marcus Nol. Here well, Noel way up here in
the very dark euipra, Oh.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Good god you yeah, I like the Kuiper anyway.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
Yep, there was no moon nothing. Look the Blader slow
coups in Australia first New Zealand second right now, I
remember the sports show that used to be before this
one that there was a discussion about beating waltzing Matilda.
What can we sing? And no one really came up

(06:14):
with an idea, and I thought of it then it's
just it's seemed to get it out. We should all
be singing, Oh, carry carry on, wire man, put the
words up, everyone will sing it. I'm seventy two men
brought up.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Hang on, hang on? Are we back on? Are we
back on? What we do before the match starts?

Speaker 6 (06:37):
Yeah, like the Ausies will sing Waltzing Matilda, we're doing
the Harker or something it was.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
This is not about the hucker. This is about the
fact that it was a team that didn't score in
the last twenty minutes. We haven't for four matches. We'refore
on the trot against South Africa. We were testing the
high ball. We weren't that good. There was indecision in
the backs. It wasn't a good matter. That's what. Fortunately,
we're not talking about the hacker. We're actually talking about
what we could do with the players that we've got

(07:03):
and reading everyone, whether it be gregor Paul or everyone,
it all seems to be the fact that we've actually
bad decisions from the n Z using in rugby union.
The fact that South Africa is no longer in the
Super Rugby competition means that we come to these tests,
we come to the Test Arena underdone, underdone. So that's
what we're problematic about. It's not good underdone. But we're

(07:30):
waiting for Lois. I think we might spend there. And
good on Lois for not calling. But yeah, it was
a it was enjoyable, what match to watch. I had
hope until the last fifteen. I thought we're going to
do this, but then the silly eras came in and
the yellow cards came in. I thought, well, actually we
were good enough, and even then we weren't good enough.

(07:56):
There's not well, yes, other people say it more reloquently
than me. Hello, Peter ats Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 7 (08:04):
Hi Marcus. It's yeah, I lovely on the show again.
I just just a short, sharp comment. Really, I'm getting
rather feed up with people saying that South Africa are
better than us. We won the World Cup and we
didn't win the World Cup, but we actually did win it.
In the International referee well no, it's not not even

(08:24):
worth laughing about. We actually did win the World Cup
and the International Refereeing Association has apologized for the fact
that they made some terrible mistakes there. We actually won
the first Test in South Africa last weekend, but the
knock on was not awarded, So we actually won that test.
So why are people get there and we've just lost

(08:46):
the second Test by only six points to a young
team and now they're all bagging the coach and all
the rest of it. We actually won two of those
four tests.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, Peter, what's your definition of winning? Well, I mean,
I love I love you, I love you for it.

Speaker 7 (09:05):
Yes, but but I know, But okay, So technically the
South Africans won, But it almost gets seems to me
that when they see a replay after the match, they
should disallow that try even then because they didn't score
that try as was the and we did score that

(09:26):
try in the World Cup that was disallowed and Ardie
Savier was penalized and he actually was apologized to by
the referee on the field before the game finished, and
the South African scored a penalty and that was the difference.
So I mean, I just the refereeing.

Speaker 8 (09:44):
Is the fault.

Speaker 7 (09:44):
It's not the fact that the coach and the players
aren't sort of starting to gel. The refereeing shocking.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, I think if we start having reviews of the
match afterwards to work out the score, that's problematic. Would
make it like the America's Cup, and then in fact
what would happen is there would be because you've got
to play to the whistle on the match. You can't
just say oh well afterwards, because you know afterwards if
a try was allowed that wasn't disallowed, then the other

(10:17):
teams would make other decisions. I don't think you could
actually referee a match retrospectively.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
Well, yeah, possibly not.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
But how did you feel on Sunday morning, Peter?

Speaker 7 (10:27):
I felt very disappointed. Yeah, I felt disappointed that we
had obviously been beaten fair and square in the second Test,
but I believe that we won the first Test. We
won the World Cup.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Do you think the cricket team won the World Cup?

Speaker 9 (10:42):
Oh you mean.

Speaker 10 (10:44):
No?

Speaker 7 (10:45):
Are you referring to the time when the ball richocheted
off Stokes's bet you're talking about that particular game.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yes, well.

Speaker 7 (10:55):
No, because that's in the rules of the game. But
the rules of the game for rugby state that if
the ball is knocked on and it's shown to have
been knocked on in the trys and scored. So yeah,
and they've invested millions upon millions and all this, you know, this,
this technology, and yet they don't adhere to it, so
I can't see the point. Really, they might as well

(11:16):
go back to the old days, scrap the technology and
just make it the line empires and referee decisions full stop.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Nice to hear, Peter, Pat Marcus.

Speaker 8 (11:26):
Welcome, Hello Marcus.

Speaker 11 (11:30):
You asked Peter one his definition was of winning a game,
and he couldn't nine. See I heard of what I
heard of what the people? Marcus like, that guy said,
no way, I kind.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Of forgot that that there was people, because I remember
after we lost the World Cup that I thought, Jeep,
as you know, in fact, I remember doing the show
before the World Cup and I said, whatever happens, you know,
I think we need to respect the decision on the
day because we can't be whining for weeks afterwards. But
what was it a year ago? Yeah, that's right, yeahs
a year ago away and he's still he's still it's.

Speaker 11 (12:06):
A yeah, Well he's sort of like that coach that
Coats of nineteen ninety five World Cup team when he
lost Lowiemins.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
That's right.

Speaker 11 (12:19):
I think he's still suffering from food poisoning.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
You know, at least we've come along, well, let we're not.
At least the team themselves are blaming the refal food poison.
That's a very good point. It's an extremely good point.
We're not blaming the hack of being disrespected. We're not
when they took it on the chin. Come on, loveis evening,
Grigate's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 12 (12:41):
Yeah, greay Marcus. I watched the All Black Gamer calls
and saw where they said, oh, that ball wasn't out,
you know, still in the right sort of thing, you know,
And then watched the Taraniki game and Strawn said, oh,

(13:01):
we may have seen that same call made a you know,
different way by the ref. And then there was a
forward pass in the Tarannicky game and the game was won.
But TARANICKI not like So it happens in every game,
didn't it. You know, a bit of a call or
you know, something gone different ways.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, I just look, I just tend to watch rugby
on the of the frame that that referees are human.
They'll make mistakes. But that's the match, and you've got
to play to that, and you've got to have the
ability to win type matches even if some decisions have
gone against you. That's the key to being a winning team,
isn't it. And which is the allbacks often did for

(13:45):
a long time. They do some magic towards the end
even though a try was just allowed. We haven't seen
last minute magic.

Speaker 9 (13:51):
Have we.

Speaker 12 (13:53):
Well we haven't. But guess what go back to years
and years ago where if you looked at the Grant
Fox days, he was the guy that kicked us every
goal and we won and we probably didn't win the
rugby game, but we run the kicking game and that's
what we're not doing now.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Was it six points left on the field that were
quite easy to get? Is it there was a kickout
front that went over the pole? There was another one?
Was it just two kicks he missed, Yeah, he kicked well.

Speaker 12 (14:23):
But that kicked it. They everyone went holy that went
over but they didn't replay it. So what happened there?
Did it go over or did it not? But anyway,
so they were they're a great team and it's doing
great for world rugby too. You know, just shows yes
that we are lacking what we're doing because we're not

(14:48):
playing South Africa week and week out what we used
to do and in the Super Rugby.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yep, and we're just playing we're playing teams that aren't
very good. Argentina and Australia.

Speaker 12 (15:00):
Well, Argentina's pretty good, I think, and I think Australia okay,
But but we're we're not. We haven't got no I see.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
What you say about the Super rug But ye, I
see what you're saying.

Speaker 12 (15:11):
Yeah you're right, yeah, yeah, it's a hard run. You
can't win any you can't win them morning. And I
don't think we need in sport, you don't need to
win every game.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
If they go three times, they're o winning the World Cup.
That's going to be problematic, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (15:34):
Well, it just shows you how good they are or
if they can. You know, they've got some great players,
you know, I mean, look at that big that prop
that number one crikey is huge in that you know,
the winger r you know, are outstanding.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Do we know player numbers? I presume player numbers into
the Everrica are much greater. I would think that would
be right, Is that right?

Speaker 12 (16:01):
I would think so? I think so.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Although we've never used as an excuse before, have we.

Speaker 13 (16:06):
No, we haven't.

Speaker 12 (16:07):
We've always we've always you know, we've always thought we're
the best and we'll be the best, you know. But
you know, can't blame the coach. You know, I think
the All Blacks played well, really well, just you know,
things didn't go their way and a couple of things,
and yeah, it's great for rugby.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Nice to talk great, Thanks so much for that. Hi, Pauline,
as Marcus, good evening.

Speaker 14 (16:33):
Hello Marcus. I'd just like to thank Peter for his comments.
So I feel a lot better now knowing that the
spring Box really didn't win, because that knock on meant
that that chap didn't get the try. And what I'd
like to suggest is each year we award a cut
to the referee who makes the least wrong calls that

(16:57):
could encourage them to change the way they.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Goods A very good point. We might celebrate good refs enough,
we could do a lot to celebrate good reps.

Speaker 14 (17:07):
That's right, That's right. And I'd just like also to
join you in eating humble pie with Lois. I think
she's marvelous.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Oh, we love it to pieces. The more the love
it we love it to pieces. I mean she called
it like yeah, and she called it she said we
were going to win this week either, So.

Speaker 13 (17:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
She was all right, She's right on and people ever
spoke some days. Oh, I love Lois, so no doubt.
Sometimes we will talk to her here til midnight tonight.
The number is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do
you want to text? It's nine to nine too, and

(17:47):
doing our Monday debrief because it was. But we're not
going on on about the hacker, and that's a good thing, Lois.
Marcus welcome, Hi Marcus.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
How are you good? Love us?

Speaker 6 (18:00):
How are you?

Speaker 14 (18:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (18:01):
I'm good, I'm good, I'm good? Is the right be?

Speaker 5 (18:08):
I got it right?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yes you did, Yes, you did?

Speaker 9 (18:14):
I love it right?

Speaker 10 (18:15):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 8 (18:19):
Not much to say about it.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Really, you sounds a lot calmer.

Speaker 9 (18:24):
I was I was only you keep staying I was wild.
I was angry. I was only angry because.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
Of the coach.

Speaker 9 (18:35):
And the two Scotts. The two Scotts, the coach and
the kitten. That's what I was angry about.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
You'd like someone, you'd like someone else's coach and someone
else's captain.

Speaker 9 (18:52):
Well, it needs to be somebody else's captain because he
only got the captain's job because he's well, I can't
say what I want to say. The two Scots are uh.

Speaker 12 (19:05):
Scott Robinson.

Speaker 9 (19:08):
Gave Scott Barrett the job is to coach before he
even got the job as a coach.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Okay, where do you get your intel, Lowis, because you
seem very well connected.

Speaker 9 (19:20):
Well, no, I'm not connected with it is really.

Speaker 13 (19:22):
No, I just losten.

Speaker 9 (19:24):
I just listen and I watch. I got up at
three o'clock and watched the rugby. I don't like to
watch it after I know what.

Speaker 8 (19:35):
The score is.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
No, me the terrible It's ridiculous, it is.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
But never mind.

Speaker 9 (19:41):
We've got a little debate.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Lowest, with any with any positives for you on Sunday morning.

Speaker 9 (19:48):
No, not really, not really, not really, just all window
as I thought it would. Yeah, I thought I think
it And I see I see on Facebook today they're saying,
is a photo Addie Tavia in the photo of Scott

(20:10):
Barrett And they're saying they're looking it may be time
to look at the captain's feet. I see that today
on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Which Facebook page is there on Lois?

Speaker 4 (20:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (20:24):
I don't know how to get on people's pages. I
just picked through. I'm not up to the pages.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
But what do you think, Lois?

Speaker 15 (20:34):
What do you?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I know what you want to have happened? You want
the coach to change, and you want the captain to change.
What do you think will happen?

Speaker 9 (20:42):
Nothing, Nothing will happen, Nothing will happen. They'll they'll leave,
they'll leave. Forget about the forget about the captains from minute,
forget about them.

Speaker 8 (20:53):
They'll leave.

Speaker 9 (20:54):
Scotland's from there because if they take him, if they
if they were to get one of them tomorrow, they're
going to put there.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
I don't know the answer to that.

Speaker 9 (21:06):
No, I don't either. I don't either.

Speaker 13 (21:09):
This is it.

Speaker 9 (21:10):
Okay, he's got the job. I don't personally think that
he should have got the job or when you warn
New Zealand knows that. But who were they going to
put in his place? We've got nobody to do it.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Did you want the Alls? Did you want the All
Blacks to win?

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Yes?

Speaker 16 (21:30):
The All Blacks?

Speaker 9 (21:31):
Yes, I'm not against the All Blacks. Yes, but I
don't want them to win. And this is coaching.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Actually you actually wanted them to lose.

Speaker 9 (21:43):
I pleased they last because I wanted his ass kid.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Okay, how do you think we'll go against Australia.

Speaker 9 (21:53):
We'll be that if we don't. If we don't beat Australia,
they want to about even pecting.

Speaker 11 (21:58):
The all blacks.

Speaker 9 (22:02):
Well we'll beat Australia. Of course we won't.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
But we won't.

Speaker 9 (22:07):
I this is just my opinion. I don't think we'll
beat Ireland.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
No, no, I don't think so. Maybe next year, maybe
next year and some of those young big tall timer
gets a bit of experience.

Speaker 9 (22:17):
But not yet, that's right, yes, but I don't think
it will be Ireland and we might not beat the
problems either.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
So are we on the path to win the World Cup?
Probably not.

Speaker 9 (22:29):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 17 (22:30):
I told you that the other night.

Speaker 9 (22:31):
I don't think we'll win the will go okay.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Lovely to talk lovers, Thank you so much for that. Wow.
Did you see how people look at Facebook on any
old page throughout Facebook. That's a worry. Someone text to
me and said, do you know the reason Lois hates
the AB's coach. Yeah, I think because I chose the

(22:55):
coach while the other guy was still doing his job.
And I think there's a bit of him larger than life,
and I think a bit of a fact that he
hasn't got international experience. That's what she says. But look,
I don't Yeah, I don't think I can go through
an and under all of that so, but I do
love her passion. All about the passion calor at Smack

(23:15):
is good, eving and welcome, Hi, Hi Color.

Speaker 15 (23:21):
I just yeah, rang up about the All Blacks. Look,
I think they're doing their best, very best, absolutely their
very best, and Razors too. I'll be honest. When when
Ann Foster and Sam Kine were in charge there, I

(23:41):
didn't like the way they sulked when they lost that game,
and they put me off the All Blacks. When Razor
came along, I you know, I'm a big fan of
fun and his breakdancing, and I you know, I think
he's a great introduction to the All Blacks. I know
most of them will obviously already know them, but.

Speaker 9 (24:05):
I think.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I'm intrigued about the sulking. Are you talking about the
red card that.

Speaker 10 (24:15):
He got.

Speaker 15 (24:18):
When Ian Foster and Sam Caine they lost. I can't
remember what game that was.

Speaker 17 (24:23):
I didn't really follow it then because it was the
All Blacks.

Speaker 15 (24:25):
I'm sorry, but I remember them sulking and they were interviewed.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
I mean, he looked at it for Laura on the
sideline when he got is this when he got red
carded shortly into the match.

Speaker 15 (24:39):
Look, I don't know, but I remember them having an interview.
They couldn't even be interviewed because for two hours because
they were they were unavailable, remember do you remember that?
And then they came on on the telly and they're
like lips dragging on the ground. Okay, they lost, but

(25:00):
I look, I'll be honest, I'm looking at like what's
going on right now? Right now, I think that there's
a lot of pressure from the rugby union in this
country on the shoulders of all these all blacks.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Okay, it the color I'm intrigued about. People mention how
we don't lose.

Speaker 11 (25:28):
Well.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I remember, of course, there was Tane Randall when he
lost a World Cup final and they asked him about
the match for third and fourth and he so I said, well, look,
you know, no one's really thinking about that match at
the moment. It's a dud match too. It's horrible the
third and fourth match. And people judged him forever about that,
and I've never heard anyone saying that Sam Cain suld.

(25:50):
But when things get out then people kind of yeah,
it kind of sticks, doesn't it. But I didn't think so.
I mean, both sam Kin and Foster had that kind
of larconic look about them? Is that the right word?
But it's hard to lose in front of cameras. What
are you supposed to do if you kind of put

(26:11):
on a brave face and seem quite chip if people
if you're not taking it too seriously. So it's a
bit of theater that people require people to kind of
be a bit forlorn, be a hard act to please
tell me with the way you lose anyway, eighteen to
nine oh, eight hundred eighty eight to eighty, Sam, it's Marcus,

(26:33):
good evening, Hi.

Speaker 18 (26:38):
Sam, Marcus is same here?

Speaker 5 (26:42):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yes? Not not that well, but a little bit.

Speaker 18 (26:45):
Yeah, yeah, I want to talk to you about the
all backs to the two tests. Now here was going
on about that knock on on the first test. That
has nothing to do with the results on that knock on.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
No, I don't don't. I don't believe so either.

Speaker 18 (27:03):
No, I mean the Springboks they were I must be
a team on that night that knock on even if
they was allowed try with that that that wouldn't made
the different a wall which we just which we just
just went there on a night in that game.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
And maybe and Peter sad maybe that's what's wrong with people.
Maybe people thought we didn't didn't win the final of
the World Cup because of a forward pass, and we
didn't win the match because it just allowed try. So
maybe people still think we are the world's best team
when clearly we are not. And that's probably what it is,
that people kind of expect too much of a team
that text you a little bit ordinary.

Speaker 18 (27:45):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, And I agree with the other
two calls back about about the coach Scott Robinson and
and and changes the as captain because there's no leadership.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
There a wall.

Speaker 18 (28:04):
With Scott yet Scott Garrett. They need someone stronger if
the players could follow. Yeah, I think it's still quiet
as well.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
And well, you've got a strange situation. You've got him
the captain, being too quiet, and then you've got t J.
Perrenaro and he's on and admittedly it was only for
the last part of the match yesterday. He's continue getting
told off for just endlessly yapping, which has cost us
penalties both well, certainly with one match and probably the

(28:33):
second match as well.

Speaker 18 (28:36):
Oh yeah, but he's been told not to do that anymore.
You know, he knows that. But I'm thinking about, you know,
someone like Ardie Saber taking that captain see and and
with regard to with regard to the to the captain
sy but you know Crusaders and Super Rugby. I mean

(28:59):
they came first, fourth from the bottom and and like
the majority of the all black players that come from
Canterbury just what it just chose a lot of favorites
them with regards to the Canterbury and players from Marcot.
Robinson that was his big mistake.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I think remember Artie Save did captain the team? I
think in that loss to Argentina, didn't he thirty thirty eight?
Remember that match?

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (29:24):
I remember?

Speaker 18 (29:25):
How yet it happened to Hailton. I know that that
that was that was a pretty bad one and.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
And he was kind of quiet in that performance. Is
what we hardly saw any of them.

Speaker 18 (29:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean they've got to
change it. They've got to change the in my opinion,
I've got to change it to the actual the captain
and the kick up, you know, you know, just lead
game for Kinsley out.

Speaker 19 (29:48):
For a couple of games.

Speaker 18 (29:49):
So he sort of realizes that.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
He's so frustrating to watch, he's so slow with that clock.
It's just nerve wrecking to watch. But apart from Dan Carter,
we've never really had I mean, we choose play and
and Fox, but we choose players first and then kind
of work out which are the ones the best kicker,
which probably I think the reverse needs to go. Do
you want to get get the very best kickers?

Speaker 18 (30:13):
I mean with the with the Blues, when did when
the Super Rugby and Harry Plummer they should bring him there.
I know he's in the fringes there, but they should
bring him in. And he's he's sort of like the
little General. I mean, he read very well during the
sub to the Rugby and then bringing him from the
Australian Test and see how he goes because he you know,
he's he he kicks well.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, I certainly saw him mentioned and some of the
rugby reporters were saying that his time, that it's time
to bring him and he needs to be there.

Speaker 18 (30:47):
I think, yeah, yeah, And and I just don't know
what the other test and why why didn't they didn't
get George to do the kicking?

Speaker 20 (30:55):
Why don't they do that?

Speaker 18 (30:56):
I was just just tabergasted to think when Damon went
kicking so well I mean if those kicks that he'd
put through on the first yet and second who would
have won by thirty three points on on the first
desk and we certainly would have won the second test
with it those kicks winnen. So I just don't understand
why they didn't bring Jordian.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I mean, he's a good kicker, good right, I thought,
so I was thinking that also too, Sam. You're John.
AT's Marcus. Good evening and welcome Hi John.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yes, gooda, Marcus.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
How are you John?

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, I was ten years old in nineteen forty nine
when we lost the four Tests over there, Yes, so
I remember it quite well. And there's always been controversy.
They had a goal kicking front row prop by the
name of Ogie Geffen, and of course they had their
own referees, and of course, of he was addressing South Africa.

(31:47):
They talk in Afrikahan. We actually scored more tries in
those four tests than the South Africans did. We had
a well known fallback in those days by the name
of Bob Scott wh Scott, and he couldn't keep goals
over there, So so there you go. We scored more

(32:11):
tries than they did in the four tests. There. So
it just shows you how important kicking.

Speaker 7 (32:19):
Is to.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
There's been a lot there's been a lot of talk
about the Freedom Cup, right, That's what they all went
on about, the first time that we've had that, that
we've lost the Freedom Cup since forever. Do you know
anything about that?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Uh, Nelson Mandelimi had something to do with it. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, I've never quite understood.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
How that.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
I guess they just must play two matches every year
and that must decide the winner of the I guess
if you're the defender, you must have to Yeah. I
can't work out how it all happens really, but yeah,
it's been interesting.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
To change of you know what. I was trying to
portray Marcus, But there's always been controversy over there. Bob
Scott couldn't kick goals over there. He was a very
famous fullback in the nineteen forties and fifties, you know.
And as I said, and Don Clark had you might

(33:20):
have heard of him too. I don't know, he couldn't
kick goals over there either. Kicking is very very important.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Did you enjoy watching the match on Sunday morning?

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Well, to tell you the truth, Ald, he watched the highlights.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
You look at yourself, John, No, I don't have to
look at myself.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
And I've seen so many test matches, mate, But that's.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
It's supposed to have a love of the game, aren't you.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Oh I do have a love of the game, mate,
But you know you did you take all that seriously?
Because I'm getting too old. I might have a heart attack.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Did you wake up and find the result? Didn't watch
the highlights?

Speaker 13 (34:05):
So no?

Speaker 14 (34:05):
I do? Now?

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, I do, Now, I know you. Some people don't
like it. Not the hell with that, you know, I'm
getting on. I don't want to have a heart attack.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Time is precious. Yeah, okay, watch the highlights. Yeah, well
maybe that's good on you.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (34:26):
You know.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
I mean, I don't think there's a we didn't dishonor
ourselves over there at all. I don't think so. Anyway,
it's one of the toughest places to play, mind you.
The stadium in Island's got pretty tough too, hasn't it.
Voka Park or what do they call it?

Speaker 5 (34:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I thought it was lens down Road or something.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Where's there that used to be down road? Yeah? The
train run right underneath the stand. It's easy to get
the Lens Down Road. But no, that's I don't agree
with it. Give this god, I go. They've got. It's
a tough introduction.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
I think people thought he was going to have an
easier time of it.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
No, no way, and they've got a hell of a
hard time coming up to they play Ireland, England and
France too. But no, we'll wait and see.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
You are right, you are right. It is called Aviva Stadium.
You're quite right with the old lensdown Road Now is Aviva?

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yes, yes, must be. I thought I thought we accorded
ourselves quite well. Really, there's a lot of young guys
there and our team. There's a lot of young guys there,
and you know it would be a big, a larger,
big experience for a lot of them. Go to South Africa.

(35:57):
I mean, it's a possibly Ireland and the All Blacks
of old, you know, some of the great All Blacks
they grew with Ireland. They won by one point. You know,
I'm going back to Brian Malore and you know Pine
Tree Meats and all those guys. They had very very

(36:18):
tough games and those days too. Don't worry about that, okay.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Okay, I look nice to hear from you John. I'm
glad to hear about you watching the highlights. Thank you
for that. My name is Marcus. Welcome Hitdor twelve o'clock.
By the way, the next ground inspection for the cricket
is nine to thirty out time. This is the black
Caps playing Afghanistan in India. But it's wet, wet, wet, wet,

(36:46):
that's what's happening. But I'll bring the updates on that.
And we're talking with the mop up of the rugby
and I enjoy the discussion. I just like to hear
what people have to say. I'm no expert on rugby. Obviously,
I can watch a match and some of the rest
decisions confuse me, but I don't apologize for that. But

(37:12):
I'm joing the matches now that they are close and exciting.
I was very excited about the match on Sunday, look
forward to it all weekend. But yep, certainly wasn't the
result that I expected. But very soon after the match,
everyone's post mortems were very much on the side of Matt. Mate.

(37:38):
We're in trouble and I'm sure if just within two
or three points or a couple of kickkicks or something else,
three kickkicks. I'm sure the narrative would have been very,
very different. So it's interesting that the scribes get in
there straight away. Yeah, I guess that's sport though, very

(38:04):
fine Margins, Marcus, this is just one of the worst
All Black sides for some time. We have no depth
in any position. We have an ordinary first five. There
seems to be too much aimless kicking and a general
lack of discipline. These issues would have been there for
a number of years. Would you sleep any of the
current AB's in the world fifteen? If so, wouldn't be

(38:26):
more than one or two. Thanks, ben Is, because you
have some extremely good players, great players, and they would
spring up between rugby World Cups. I don't know who
in the current crop is that world better, Marcus. Now,
use blame me a coach if it's if it is
the players that perform badly, it's the player's fault, not

(38:47):
the coaches. Well, they've said couches, Marcus. Louise is right
as you know, Marcus. I still say the captainstyar is
while Lena McDonald left, Barrett not up to it, and
yes he will struggle going forward if they don't take
it off him. Us On the money. Sorry to say, Marcus,

(39:10):
women's rugby tem are not going to be in England
on They know that Northern Tour either. Troublers that when
very good top players, since their careers are ending, they
begin to chase money, usually off shore. Just pay them
until they are not worth even token payments. Cheers John. Yes,
and maybe that's about it. Maybe going to bring the
players back nine No seven. Ope, it's good New Zealand.

(39:34):
My name is Marcus. Here till twelve o'clock tonight. We
are talking about the All Blacks and I kind of yeah.
I guess it comes down to expectations and what people
want and what people are happy with. And there's a
great discussion point. Actually I don't even know really what
people think when it comes to rugby. It's why there's
some people that want us to win every game and

(39:56):
after every game if we lose, they'll be disappointed. There
are other people that.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
That will all go.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I can't believe that someone's still going on about and
saying we really won the Rugby World Cup Final and
we won the first Test because of their instance that
went against us. I'm sure every supporter of every team

(40:29):
in any sport that people fanatical about will always watch
a match and find one excuse or one reason for
why they didn't win. I think it's called denial. I
mean I think, yeah, I think it's just a deceptive
way to watch sports, to think, oh, yeah, you just

(40:49):
got to play to the whistle. That's my take on it.
And then again, we can look at player numbers, so
that Wick is a bigger country sixty million people. Then
you look at player numbers and rugby union, I think
probably there's about eight hundred thousand. South Africa there's about

(41:10):
three hundred fifty thousand. I think France's number two with
about three hundred and fifty thousand players. I think England
and New Zealand are on pretty much for much just
one hundred and fifty thousand players or something like that,
so they've got a lot more people to choose from.
But that's like our Olympic medals, we go per head

(41:34):
of population. That's legitimate. On England's got a lot more
than you think. England's got three hundred and eighty two thousand,
France has got six hundred and seventy thousand, South Africa
has eight hundred and four thousand. Unbelievable Anyway, if you've

(42:02):
got any comments to make about that, oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten, they've got a nice email here I'll
read to you. Thanks for that, Leon ten past nine Marcus.
I've always to put the abs, but people need to
lower their expectations to give the new coaching staff and
squad time to gel. Losing experienced players with over six
hundred national test caps would hurt any team. The twenty

(42:27):
twenty seven Rugby World Cup here in Australia is still
the main goal. I feel that by the end of
twenty twenty six we should be tracking in the right direction.
The great thing about living here in Melbourne is that
there are other sports to distract us from the deficiencies
of the current All Black team. I'm a huge Melbourne
Storm supporter and they're consistently great. Also, just the other

(42:47):
night there were more than ninety seven thousand at the
MCG for an AFL playoff game. Don't get me wrong,
I love rugby and the Allbacks in particular, but we
just need to give them time as they're still world
class and I'm quietly confident they'll be ready to go
to the next World Cup. Rolls around. Be patient and
give them a chance. Leon for Melbourne. I don't know
if that was a match at the MCG, but there

(43:08):
was an extraordinary mark in AFL where a guy climbed
on top of the other player. It was one of
the great marks of all time. Watched that video about
ten times. Couldn't believe it. His knees were right over
the guy's shoulder. Was extraordinary. Henriette's Marcus good evening.

Speaker 18 (43:28):
Marcus, Yeah, the.

Speaker 21 (43:31):
I think Lois is right, you know, she should be
the coach. But my point is, you know the team
at the moment, so like you know, Will Jordan he
played fullback, but he is a winger, clearly, Jordy Beert,
who was a full back, he played the second fourth.
He got Rico Yuani who was a winger, and he's playing.

(43:51):
It seemed to like, you know, he just got the
well over the place. So I don't think they really
know where they're supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
So why is that should they be demanding where players
play in super rugby? Is that what needs to happen?
They've got to think we're week at this position, We've
got to actually develop some Therefore, he needs to talk
to the super coaches or whatever. And say, okay, we've
got to get this sorted out.

Speaker 21 (44:16):
Yeah, I think so, because you look at big at
the teams we're here. You remember, you know, Christian Cullen.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Was always always one of the greats.

Speaker 21 (44:24):
Yep, Jonah Jonah played on the wing. It's just you know,
I'm tall. I think they tell you.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
How, and they're all wingers. We always knew that. You
wouldn't say they won one week. There was this one
week they or the other. That was what they did.

Speaker 21 (44:38):
And I think until you get said settled, you know,
these players are in the struggle magus.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
But what's that about? I mean, I don't flow the game,
probably closely enough to know the ins and outs. But
is that just because they're trying to keep the opposition
guessing or because they or they or they really don't know?

Speaker 14 (44:54):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (44:54):
I think they really don't know, because you know, like
Conrad Smith, Martin On, they played all their life together
as they knew where to go, they knew what to do,
you know. You but these cords, for some reason, they're
trying to change plays into you know, playing out a position.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
It's just well, Bernie and stew they are always on
the wings, weren't they exactly.

Speaker 14 (45:17):
You know.

Speaker 21 (45:19):
It's still but you know I would vote for lowis Marcus. Yeah,
and you want to vote below us.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Cheers Marcus, nice to talk, Thanks very much, Henry the
poll Lois's first callers on the Facebook page, but she's
in her second call because the she she was much
more considered and resigned to a team that's not winning.
That was the reality. Very funny. Welcome people. My name

(45:50):
is Marcus Hudle, twelve o'clock if you want to talk
about this eight hundred and eighty eight nineteen nine detext.
Don't even know what else people can say, because some
people say that we take sport too seriously, but I
think it's good to take it seriously. It's it's good
the passion that it drives in people. At least we

(46:17):
are talking about a text because if you look at
the number of people that turn up for NPC, it's
pretty well empty and soon Sky will stop covering it,
I believe, because it costs so much to put a
game on it's not worthwhile. Then we look at Super Rugby,
well that's boring. No one much is watching that. The
stadiums are empty this time kind of the semis and

(46:40):
the final was exciting, but before that it was kind
of fairly pedestrian affair. So these are all decisions from
the n Z Rugby Union and professionals, and they tried
to get the Super Rugby competition. I forget why did
South Africa pull out or we kick them out of it?
I don't know the reasons for it, but certainly it

(47:01):
hasn't gone well for us. I presume most of the
South Africans play in European competition of my right as
your competition with South Africa and the European teams. Someone
will know, but clearly it's working for them. And man,
they got some big units and don't figure out Argentina.

(47:21):
They go from strength to strength. They scored an extraordinary
number of points against Australia last in the weekend. I
don't even know how they managed to do it. Good
Eving mervit's Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 8 (47:35):
Yeah, magus, I'd like to talk about the All Black
team and the playing selection and coaches. Off you go, yeah, well,
I was very upset that Razor couldn't get along with
the All Black back coach. Every rugby team has a

(47:56):
forward coach and a back coach, and to me, when
he couldn't cog along with McDonald from Auckland that they
had the top rugby team going and the top players.
Was a big misshapp and from their first Test against
South Africa and some of the miss apps that happened

(48:18):
during the game, usually they're corrected for the second Test. Well,
to me, the boys played worse than they did in
the first Test and the backs have got no rhythm
or no flow. And like Raiser was, he's a good

(48:39):
Ford coach and all his rugby days in Canterbury he
had a top back coach in the in the in
the team. And to me that you know they're not
going to get any better till they get a good coach.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Do we know when they had?

Speaker 11 (48:59):
Do we know?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Because I presume they haven't. They've found temporary replacements for
Leo McDonald, Am I right? They haven't found the permanent one,
is that right?

Speaker 19 (49:07):
Well?

Speaker 8 (49:07):
One of the one of the boys just moved up
the year was Tom Yell or some.

Speaker 13 (49:12):
I think who moved up one.

Speaker 8 (49:15):
But McDonald's had a lot of experience and he's done
so well. And you know, I just think, yeah coaching
and that and the rugby union, well yeah, they should
have been made to cog along with a back coach.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
It's interesting about Tony Brown's career, isn't it that he
has become so sought after and now it's working with
South Africa. I mean, it's unbelievable how well he has
done and he seems to be he seems to be
a rugby visionary.

Speaker 8 (49:49):
Yes, he's done so well. And even in Japan, and
I'm an otago man and I can remember his playing
days and everything down here. He just done so well
with the Highlanders and like they kicked along well. But
you know, as soon as Robinson with the Brookland coach,
like you could see trouble there and it must be unsettling.

Speaker 13 (50:12):
For the players.

Speaker 8 (50:15):
Treating the backs, you know, and that to me, a
lot of the backs, like I played myself as a
prop in my position my whole playing career. Like I
was never a hooker. I was never a plinker. And
a lot of the All Black backs are playing in
certain other positions and you know, they're just moving them around,

(50:36):
like Broden Bart was a world class first five and
they're sort of switching them the full back and around
through the team, and you know, to me, that is
completely wrong.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
You know, they also seem to struggle under those had
under those high kicks, so they ever could peer them with.
They'll look.

Speaker 8 (50:57):
They were all trying so hard to correct them, but yeah,
they weren't catching a lot of those balls and silly mistakes.
Like South Africa are a good sight, don't get me
wrong there, but we haven't got the big impact players
that they've got, partly through the like South Africa is
a messive country. But you know in the old days,

(51:20):
like you know in New Zealand has done so well
with their rugby and a lot of it sort of
comes back to the captain. We've but are hard talking
and saying that the boys, come on, we're going to
do this and this way and that's what we're going
to do. But there's you see very little talk from
the captains now through the game and you know, to me, yeah,

(51:45):
it's terrible, but you know it's good to see like
when New Zealand's had its stay, but we've still got
to get better. I know we lost a lot of
players today overseas.

Speaker 14 (51:56):
But.

Speaker 8 (51:57):
You know, the players are fit and rearing to go.
But as I say, I'm very disappointed with their you know,
our forward's played well over there for their backs sort
of dropping all knocked at the normal.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Normally it's the other way around. Move normal, it's the
ford to a right or where they might get pushed
around the line out of the scrumbles. Our backs are
the stars. But it seems to it does seem to
have reversed.

Speaker 8 (52:25):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
And you know, like.

Speaker 8 (52:29):
Years ago we had Wayne Smith and he was one
of the best back coaches in the world and he's
done so well. He went to the to the woman's
rugby team and they won the world capin like he
was full of praise, and we have gone down hell
since we've lost him, you know, a long way, you know, but.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Okay, I live at there, move, but nice to talk.
I appreciate your wisdom. Thank you, Markets, Marcus, thanks for calling,
and good evening.

Speaker 13 (52:59):
Are you Markers, Mark your mate.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Nice to hear from your mate.

Speaker 13 (53:03):
Are you going a few calls back talking with Henry?
And I thought he made so much sense, you know,
like you've got too many players playing too many different
positions and you're going to get back to the small
you know, what was it? You got fifteen on the back, okay,

(53:23):
a couple of reserves, you know, you're in the team
for two years and you bond and that's what the
All Blacks were about way back.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
So you mean you mean you mean consistency and positions
and consistency in the starting fifteen for sure.

Speaker 13 (53:41):
Yeah. Yeah, I think you have to bond a team,
and I think professionalism money come into the game a
lot more. You know, you're going to superstar one week
and another one the next when you're reckon.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
But don't South Africans. Isn't the strength of their game
the fact they've made it a twenty three man team
because they bring on everyone after halftime, so so really
no one. I mean, they've really kind of taken it
to the letter of the law and they play quite differently.
So I guess we've got to try and match them
because it's been quite successful for them bringing those eight

(54:18):
impact players on.

Speaker 13 (54:21):
Yes, I don't like the word bomb squad. Yeah, I
think Rasor these are very charismatics of an adventurous Swiss
buckling sort of a guy, you know, like that's his nature.
He's a canny, well, he's a surfer, he's a Canary boys.

(54:44):
He's done well with the Crusaders and but there's too
many people in his ear and hopefully I think if
he can get them out of his ear and he
will sort them out.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
But as far as from one week to the other
with what happened in the backs, I mean, there was
not really much improvement, was there.

Speaker 13 (55:06):
Well I would totally agree that, but yeah, I thought, well, no,
I'm going to be positive that the young half that
came on and the and the new planingk and what
he was just fantastic. In fact, the four's were amazing.

(55:27):
The facts were running around, didn't know where they were.
They were like, check thems out of the joke. They
didn't know where the fuck they excuse.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Me, where they they were going? Now just cut out, Mark,
thank you for that. Nice to hear from your conrad
ats Marcus, good evening, Yeah.

Speaker 19 (55:45):
Marcus, yeah, great points mate. He just I will add
just to miss this. The first myth is that.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
We were always winning.

Speaker 19 (55:53):
Well, I think you remember from November ninety one to
October two thousand and eleven, we couldn't call ourselves the
world champions. The second point is that we have great depth,
which is true to a point. But if we had
this supposedly epic amount of depths, we wouldn't have people

(56:13):
out of position, like I'll give an example now, Marpi
I think was developing is quite a nice center and
so yeah, yeah, just a couple of points there. But
just quickly, my main point is to do with in
what other sport do you have a situation where a
coach can't pick other players? I mean, Garret Southgate, Oh,

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you have to pick players within England. If they're playing
in France the sick and they play a game in France,
they're not eligible for the England Socket team. Gary Steed, Oh, sorry,
they're playing in India, they're not eligible to play for
the Black Cats. Razy Erasmus can pick block players answer
or question Marcus from the URC, which is the composition
in Ireland, et cetera. So everything going on is kind

(57:00):
of predictable and kind of the scenario is that you
could have more honor on there who's a great game
controller and great those accuracy things that finished the finish
off a game, I mean, and then you have people
like McKenzie develop under them, or we have Boden Barrats
developed behind Carter for years, I mean Carters there for
seventy minutes and then Boden Barrack comes on. Now now

(57:22):
we're we're yes, that's enough of information.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
But Conrad, yes, you know I've always thought the rugby
ended a you have managed things quite badly, the whole
movement to professionalism, the whole Super Rugby competition. But I
can understand their reason. They want to try and keep
players here to kind of keep alive this dying Super
Rugby competition so we can go and see our stars,

(57:48):
our All Blacks. And it hasn't worked. But it's not
working for the rugby for the All Blacks either said,
what do you do?

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Now?

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Let just go play everywhere. We've already got the NPC
that no one much turns up for, and then we're
going to have the Super Rugby that now much is
going to turn up for because everyone else is in
Japan or playing in France.

Speaker 19 (58:05):
So I can yeah, yeah, I can't. I don't get
the skimmungering though, because ultimately it has to happen anyway.
I mean, I remember on one of your shows showing
that you know the sky will fall on the sky
will fall of Salaga Leeds, the Super Swell, or that
you know they current Super roupy or they have left
and we just have to deal with in the reality.
So I think that, you know, yeah, I think I've

(58:28):
made my point. They they should pick all blacks from
over seats. Thanks Marcus.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Appreciate that, Conrad, And look I was saying that last Yeah,
appreciate it. Hang on, I just can't click. I appreciate that.
And that was very much the point that was made
last week, because then you could have your players that
could come running on your your experienced all blacks, the

(58:54):
ones in their early thirties and mid thirties that have
now gone to make money overseas, that'd come on as
impact Aaron Smith and boat Aaron Smith and retallic and
things like that. But yeah, there we go. There's no
simple solution, and I don't necessarily know that there's any

(59:17):
solution at all. And bearing in mind, what do the
children want to play. It's all basketball. It's all basketball.
That's what people want to play. Kids are mad for it.
Fortnite basketball. John, Thanks for hanging on there, and good

(59:37):
evening to You're welcome John.

Speaker 13 (59:40):
Hello on Marcus.

Speaker 20 (59:42):
I think the problem there's too many coaches, and why
can't the players play eighty minutes? The professionals they get
paid to do the job. You work for out, and
I'm like, I don't know how many hours you work,
but your work a whole you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, I do. But I guess what happened, John, is
that they've worked out what everycker can do. Their players
can play fifty minutes, and they swapped them over and
that has a better outcome for them. So we can
play them eighty minutes. But to be the winning team,
you just play fifty. You do that swapping, which is
because then the big guys get guessed and they get

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swapped out.

Speaker 20 (01:00:25):
Yeah, well we'll look at a hooker on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
He was the best plower on the now is phenomenal.

Speaker 20 (01:00:33):
He played seventy minutes or I don't know, eighty minutes
or something. I don't know what's wrong with the guys.
If they're good enough to be on the side, they
should be able to play eighty minutes.

Speaker 13 (01:00:43):
The whole game is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
The jury.

Speaker 20 (01:00:47):
They're just giving away all black jurseys for giving awaysake,
I think myself, Willie Lilly, Yeah, I mean I know
a few guys there have played that that stuff, and
they land he played with or I don't know, they
played until they got injured.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Nice to hear from you, John, Thank you. Twenty eight
away from ten pitching inspections on the way for a
cricket that's playing Afghanistan, Marcus, what an impatient lot of
people out there. Give the coaches, old and new players
a chance to gel. The last two games have been close,
not a mile off like many people are implying, So

(01:01:27):
they haven't gonna be hard for your team to be
currently brief people except I think we're on top at
the moment, and with their well well oiled machine, Marcus,
we over analyze this game. They have one job, catch
a ball, run around the padet a hacker and press
the ball over the line to get points. It's not
rocket signs. Most of these guys are about ninety k plus.

(01:01:48):
If we're twenty three CEOs of this company not doing
this simple job every week, we would be livered. Good evening, Ben,
it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
Hey, are Marcus fair? Hangs in order?

Speaker 14 (01:02:01):
Right?

Speaker 10 (01:02:01):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Thank you, Ben.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Just a few observations here about the rugby at the
moment last week, or not the last game, but the
game before against South Africa. The first game we had
a bit of a hard time with the ref, didn't
we the Northern Hemisphere ref Now, the South African's left
Southern Hemisphere and went played in the Northern Hemisphere, and

(01:02:25):
I've warned the Northern Hemisphere way of playing rugby, whereas
New Zealand hasn't adapted to it. And therefore during the
game this week, I can't remember the penalty count, but
we've got a lot of penalties out of it because
we were playing we were playing a hemisphere game and
was still trying to play to the South. Now, when
they dropped the bomb squad last week, the first thing

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they did was they kept it in the forwards. One
of the South African backs went off and the whole
batlin had to shuffle one yep to compensate, didn't they
We should have capitalized. We did get a try. I
think it was Caleb Kark in the corner got the try.
We did sort of capitalize on one try, but we

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should have got a lot more.

Speaker 18 (01:03:10):
So.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
We didn't adapt to the game there. But you've got
to hand it to the South Africans. I know, a
couple of weeks ago I just hated them for an
athletic game for how do you use But at the
end of the day, it's just a game. In two
ways the best team in the world at the moment.
So I think we're holding out all right, just going
to were just got to adapt a few different things,

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and I think we'll be all right being I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Maybe you could tell me what what is the average
South African rugby player? What does what does their playing
calendar look like? Are they playing? Are they playing professionally
in five Nations in Europe the whole time? Or is
it a combined South Africa European Championship or I presume
they've still got their championship in South Africa where they've

(01:03:56):
got your teams like you've got your you know, your
your your balls and you all those teams still and
they still must have a local all their top players
involved in the local championship.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
Yeah, exactly what we got here. But the only difference
is they left our competition, the southern here competition and
went to northern hemisphere where you've got a lot more teams. Ireland, Scottland.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Are you saying because they're not in the five Nations?
Are they?

Speaker 11 (01:04:24):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:04:26):
No, do they play well?

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
So their teams play, so their teams play in the
in the Europe, in the European Club Championship. That makes
more sense, yes, yes, And we're.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
As down here with his only arts in the Irelander
teams and Argentina did. Chapan was meant to drop him,
but they didn't. So I'm not saying what I'm trying
to basically say, You've got two hemispheres, two different styles
of game that the Northern hemisphere they like to slow

(01:05:01):
it down and have a cap of tea and all that.
Men's over. These got a broken fingernail. Five minutes for
him while he gets that fixed, they can sit there
and have a chat. You know, it's not a bad
game today, guys. You know whereas the Kiwi, he's all
the Southern hemisphere, we're just like, right, let's get into it.
You know, we've got to stop. And they're fizzing at
the bunk, ready to go back out and do it.

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And that's where the referees coming because the Northern referees
know this is my observation, the Northern referees, they play
that style of okay, stop, guys, got a broken fingernail here,
time out. You know where the Southern hemisphere is like okay,

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you're on or you're off, mate, what are you doing?
Make a move now, so they just want to get
on with it and that suits our style. I think
the game the weekend, if we had an Ossie reff,
I think we would have been a different outcome.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
But we didn't have an Aussie ref, did we.

Speaker 13 (01:06:01):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:06:02):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Yeah, okay, thanks Ben Larott's Marcus, good evening and welcome
high lyle Hi Marcus.

Speaker 17 (01:06:11):
Yeah, you stole my thunder a bit, Marcus. I started
dialing just as you mentioned that. In your opinion, kids
prefer basketball to rugby, and I've got direct evidence of
this too. A couple of times in my career I've
stopped doing what I'm doing, and I've had a couple
of spells of teaching, And the first one was in

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the mid nineties teaching English as the second language, and
the second one was in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen
teaching English as the first language. And in both cases
now mentally, in the first instance, the kids weren't Kiwis,
but in the second instance they were. And I've got
to say that none of them were, in my view

(01:06:57):
or not many were that enamored with rugby.

Speaker 14 (01:07:00):
And.

Speaker 17 (01:07:01):
They were very much taken with basketball, and including where
all the merchants stuff, So I think it's a bit
of a problem. Also, I think South Africa there was
somebody who was quite perceptive bringing up one of your
sport programs. I don't know if he was an experts

(01:07:22):
or just the quarter, but he said that South Africa
could put out probably two sides which were not the
be The second fifteen wouldn't be too different to the
first fifteen if you like in ability. And I think
it's going to get worse because you know, New Zealand
was the only country that really could say it was
you know, the rugby union was the national sport. Now

(01:07:42):
South Africa could say it was the national sport of
the white people of South Africa. But for you know
what they used to call the Couloards and the black population,
it was seen as the sport of the oppressors. Now
if you look at the current South African team of
captain by Cia Kalisi and various other mal mite players
in it, I think that's only going to get from

(01:08:04):
our point of view, worse, as is a lot more
buying from the non like population now because football was
always their sport and they'd always threatened to do you
know stuff, especially you know, when they had their own
Will Cup a few years ago, but they never really have.
And now this seems to be quite a lot of
buy in from you know, the non white people of

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South Africa. And you know, the equation is, what is
it fifty two fifty three million South Africans versus five
point three million, you know, five point three million, key reason,
and that's you know, that's customers last stand. Isn't it
really over the long term? And I don't think the
future is going to be particularly good if they sort

(01:08:47):
of pick up the ball and roll with it as
their true national sport.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Hey, just in terms of what you said, I don't
have a problem with basketball doing well. I didn't see
it as a problem. I think it's good that. I
think it's I mean, kid love basketball, and I think
when SkyTV came along and suddenly you could see the
the NBA on it, and people love that, and it's
you know, they love Lebron and that things, and of

(01:09:14):
course that that's where their ridals are and the kids
seem to be obsessed with those things. So I think
it's exciting they're playing with I think the only trouble
we've got with basketball is the way that player numbers
are going. Before long, we're going to be very short
of courts because I mean it's a slightly bigger spec
to build a basketball court than there's a rugby field.
I mean, you need an enclosed space, don't you. So
I think we've got problems there.

Speaker 17 (01:09:36):
But also you know, well sorry, but also looking at
South Africa, now I've ever been to South Africa, but
for various professional reasons over the years, I had to
consume the media, if you like, I think that's the
expression and to my eye, that country looks it's our

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sports concerned more where we were when I was growing
up in the seventies, and that you play you know,
cricket in the summer and rugby in the winter. Now,
when I was growing up, if you want to do
anything on a Saturday, you had to play a sport.
There wasn't Saturday shopping until I was sixteen, so and
then the various other sports. Just listening to your I

(01:10:22):
was listening to it was interesting in New Auckland adverts.
I usually listened to the christ each Ones and there
was an advert advertising, you know, playing baseball. You know,
there's just so many sports people are interests or elsewhere
all over the place, whereas South Africa, from what I
can see, seems to be more's sort of more in

(01:10:43):
that sort of sport groove that we were, you know,
when I was growing up, so that they'll have a
whole lot of concentrated manpower. And you know that the
Afrikaana is one of the biggest human units ever created.
It's like a Dutchman, which are already big that's sort
of been selectively bred on the high vault for about
three hundred years. And I you know, there are problems

(01:11:06):
which can be sorted out, but I think in the
long term and also the static way that the game is,
I think that's not really our strong suit. We relied
on aerobically fit people who were slightly smaller being able
to run through gaps when big men got tired, and
they're never going to get tired with the current way

(01:11:27):
of replacement that's allowed. Yeah, yeah, I think there's things
that can be done, but yeah, ultimately, you know, fair
play to South Africa, I suppose nice.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
I appreciate your points now, Lyle Nile and lastly, made
thanks for coming through Minames Marcush'll twelve o'clock tonight it's
all about the All Blacks and yeah, where we are
for rugby. I enjoyed these chats because it finally for
funny enough, Dad, I've actually found Scott Robertson becoming the

(01:12:00):
coach in some ways it's made me more interested in
rugby that you know though. Yeah, I've actually found I've
been quite captivated by the last four or five matches
England and then Argentina and South Africa. I've enjoyed it,
got exciting close matches and I'm enjoyed supporting the All

(01:12:24):
Blacks because they're out there for fair contest and it
was great to cheer them on on Saturday Sunday. Yeah,
because I mean, oh, I don't know, I don't quite
know why sometimes you could get sick of supporting your teams.
They're a team worth supporting. Way of faith. They will

(01:12:46):
get it done, I guess. But no one's going to
remember I've said that in three years time? Are they amazing?
Someone's still going about the referee from the Rugby World
Cup Final. Can't believe that Marcus the All Blacks. Other
countries are finally caught up to the All Blacks tactic
of last twenty minute in the game. So Scott Robertson
needs to up his tactic. What he's got in his

(01:13:07):
arsenal that Fozzy doesn't. Is he holding back? I am,
for one, sick of the All Blacks losing. I want
them to be winners. I'm not even a Kiwi Kiwis.
Need more discipline and ditch the juty tricks in gendles
and learn to play within the rules, much like parents
on the sideline these days. But I don't understand the rules.
Let your kids grow within the sport, Marcus, Are we

(01:13:28):
slaves to the Rugby World Cup. It's a four year
time frame. The winner does not beat all the qualified
teams an annually even buy annual competition as the best
ten ranked teams would be well received by the public.
Who wants to see mino murder when these teams need
a separate arrangement chairs John, it is the worry about it.
I mean, everything's focused about that four year team. But

(01:13:49):
that four year tournament, isn't it. Even when them England
teams come down, they just send kind of development players
because no one wants to fully show their cards before
the Rugby World Cup. So yeah, I don't think it
has been entirely all positive for rugby. I think there's
some real problems with the sport, particular with some of

(01:14:13):
those teams in England going bung and now I think
they're all waiting for Saudi money to come out and
buy everything, and that to worry because Saudi money that's
there for now. I don't think it's sustainable. Marcus didn't
this rugby combination between the four Southern Hemisphere countries used

(01:14:35):
to be a home and away game. Playing South Africa
at home, is it is advantage to start where that's
from Allen, The All Blacks is missing one key player
that didn't get selected and raise it is too proud
to admit it. The key player is Hoskin Stutu best
player in Super rugby this season, not even considered. Bring

(01:14:56):
Hoskin at number eat Savella at open sign and Caine
at blind if Scott Robertson brings this combination and we'll
start winning tests. So yes, By the way, I've spent
most of today, Oh cheapers, I don't even know when
to go on about what I'm going to say. And

(01:15:18):
I spent today doing a lot of things. But one
of the things I spent a lot today doing was
making this stupid folding toy that the kids had started.
I thought it was important to tell them the importance
of finishing something off. But boy, boys, it difficult. It's
like a folding beaver origami, and goodness me, it's tested me.

(01:15:48):
You get glue everywhere. Had to even go to the
clothesline to get pegs to peg the bits. Please, got
a lot fantastic when I finished it. And then I
think I found my thing very good, very good. I'm
not quite sure where the toys are vailed from, but boy,
I'm there for all of them anyway. That's an aside.

(01:16:10):
Next time loring the polar beer, then the penguin. A
lot of gluing, So it's not really origami because it's
sort of coming a kit and you push out the
paper bits. It's like a beaver chewing on a log.
That's taken me to the edge of despair and even
pushed me a bit further beyond that being an impatient perfectionist.

(01:16:39):
But it teaches you to be quite forgiven because he's
glue everywhere anyway, So that's my day. But look welcome.
And then the electric fence testing out, the electric fence
tester wasn't what I was planning today is It's been
very productive but also slightly edgy. That's what I'm enjoying.
Talk about the rugby, Marcus, are you update with the

(01:16:59):
mot scam? I don't know anything about thet scam. If
you could tell me anything about that would be nice.
Marcus just tuned in for the Monday night debrief, I said, silly, apologize.
You probably said the same question tonight. But did Lois
call back? She had called about half past eight, and
she was quite resigned to the All backs not been
very good, so said, can you legions please play it

(01:17:22):
back or give us the run? Was on her husband,
Judi's with the young wife and the kids. Mist if
she'd rung. I don't know what we do with Lewis's
call because it probably not one to play back because
she didn't have that same fire in her. She didn't
that same fire and her hard I've did the first loss.
It seemed like she was more resigned to it now. Anyway,

(01:17:45):
you can go on the playback machine on the website.
But at what time was it on? Eight thirty four?
Eight thirty four? Going look at it there? My name
is Marcus. Welcome seven past ten.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
What's happening? Get in touch, hittl twelve o'clock talking about expectations, Rugby,
all that sort of stuff. It seems like people might
have moved on as a country. But yeah, you look
at the crowd and you look at the all black crowd. Sorry,
you look at the crowd at South Africa, at the arenas,

(01:18:17):
at the Stadium's looks pretty full on. It looks like
a NASCAR sort of a crowd. It's like they take
it seriously. Like wow, anyway, nine past ten, Marcus or twelve,
you do want to come through and talk about something else.
All those things we talk about, we'd love you to

(01:18:38):
hear from you do, get in touch. I didn't click
on the outrage about the person at the Paralympics that
ran the marathon and then decoupled from the person that
was their guide right before the end and got disqualified.
That seemed slightly harsh, but I guess you got to
take it seriously. Ah, it's gonna be like any other

(01:19:02):
sport if you do something wrong. So yeah, that was
pretty full on. Anyway. Oh, eight hundred and eighty twenty
nine two nine to text Marcus or twelve there was something.
I just want to talk, but I would love to
hear from you and your comments on the rugby, which
I've enjoyed greatly. Who knew there was the Freedom Cup

(01:19:25):
and who knew we'd had it for so long? I
think Sin's two thousand and nine. We've had the Freedom
Cup and that's the winner of the two matches every year,
and we have had it since we lost to them

(01:19:51):
in Kings Park and Durban thirty one nineteen and Free
State Bloefontaine. So I believe it's a situation that it's
a tie of one match each then we just retain it.
I don't know if that's the but that seems to
what happened in two thousand and seven where we bet

(01:20:11):
them at Lancaster Park and lost them at King's Park.
Must be got to win it twice. I've never heard
anyone talk about it. Ifione wants to explain that to me,
i'd find that out of interest. Anyway, someone might have
been involved, some of our South African audience might have
been involved. Living in South afric I'd always like to
talk to someone about what happens with the rugby over there.

(01:20:31):
Why are they so successful? I presumements because of the competition,
play numbers, how serious they take it. And the coach.
I don't quite know why people deride the coach, but yeah,
you can't belittle the coach that's so very good. Seems
to be an extraordinary coach. So there's that. Also, it

(01:20:52):
is World Sudoku Day. I don't know where you are
with sudoku. I love it. I love it so much
that I can't do it because I do want to
do a thousand. What I'll do occasionally down and now
I'll do it on a plane when there's nothing else
to do. That's my sudoku time. Something very comforting about

(01:21:16):
sudoku because it's all about order, isn't it. But like
the cube, you put everything in its place and it's
quite kind of reassuring. So there is that. By the way,
the other article that I thought was amazing I read
last night is pokey Machines in Australia. Australia has one

(01:21:45):
percent of the world's population and eighteen percent of the
world's pokey machines. And the other statistic about poke machines
in Australia. Most of the world's poker machines are in

(01:22:09):
dedicated gaming venues like casinos. But of those worldwide that
are not in dedicated gaming ventures venues like casinos, seventy
six percent are in Australia. So man, they got a
problem with the Pokey's twenty five billion a year they

(01:22:30):
spend on them pubs or the local RSL, although you
can't have them in Western Australia, only in casinos. So yeah,
they're with sports bending in the Pokey machines, huge problems
in Australia.

Speaker 8 (01:22:51):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
It's very interesting. I think they have I think a
lot of the poker machines get made in Australia also,
but they're just mad for Poke's to all those RSL,
I'm sure they're playing for some of the rugby teams
or Rugby League teams RSL clubs. Marcus noticed that in
South Africa they played tests in the daytime. That's right.

(01:23:14):
I knows that too. Also in the Puma's Wallabies games.
Maybe the ZR you should consider this day rugby is
the best raby rugby Jamie from Warnica Ellen, it's Marcus, welcome,
good evening.

Speaker 10 (01:23:30):
Hello Marcus. I'm a bit like you with the rugby.
I can't understand half the rules sometimes and all the penalties. Yeah,
but back to the last Test when our was ten
minutes to go, when al forward got yellow carded, Yes,
did the South African player run into him? Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
It looks it.

Speaker 10 (01:24:01):
Looks a little bit like he put his leg out.
But did the all black player put his leg out
to move away or did the South African player run
into him? You know, because there's a big turning point
in the game, but the whole of the minutes to go.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
But rugby rugby is all about turning point, isn't it,
And that's what happens. Yeah, you know, I mean we
were I don't think anyone saying what's fun. I don't
think anyone's saying we were the best team on the park.

Speaker 13 (01:24:32):
Have you heard anyone saying, O.

Speaker 10 (01:24:35):
Yep, okay, the best team the best team won? Sure,
but definitely, you know, we didn't play well enough. We
dropped balls and we weren't as good as the South Africans.
But that was a big turning point in the game.
Ten minutes to go and another another forward scent off
like the Test before.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Yes, absolutely, and like the and like in the rugby
World Cup Final as well.

Speaker 10 (01:25:02):
Yeah, yeah, but anyway, that's have you someone somebody mentioned that.
Somebody mentioned that to me tonight, and I've looked at
it and it was hard to tell.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Okay, have you have you watched gone back and watched
the game more than once.

Speaker 10 (01:25:20):
Yeah, I watched the replay and it is hard to tell.
That's what I said, he put his leg out, that
he put his leg out to move away or to
trip him up. But because you know, I thought he
put his leg out to move away. Actually because it
was miles away from the play, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
You watched the game, Yeah, I can't recall that much
too much. But yeah, I kind of lost a bit
of it. I can't lost a bit of interest. Towards
the end, I found out the result and I didn't
watch it live, which was my mistake.

Speaker 13 (01:25:50):
I should clear enough.

Speaker 10 (01:25:51):
Clear enough, I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Muster the kids up there and they got up at
six Ellen. Nice to talk, thank you, And yeah, the
Aussies and gambling, that's pretty interesting lot of sports gambling. Also,
I don't know how people feeling too. That's the other
thing I haven't really mentioned. I imagine if you I
went all very well to be passionate about sport. But

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I imagine for some of the sports betterers that are
betting on the All Blacks that must really be a
tough thing if you're not happy with the coach but
are backing the man losing money. I've forgoten about you.
People not quite sure how much money's put on the
All Blacks, but it's probably a lot, and it probably
causes people who very concerned when we lose. But I'll

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tell you what. Looking at the texts tonight, the texts
are a lot nice in the texts last Monday when
we lost, when people seem to be angry and they
didn't know who they were angry with. So I guess
that's one good thing that Scott Robertson has done, is
that he's lowered the expectations so now he can do

(01:27:03):
what he wants and if he does anything fantastic, we
consider some sort of a genius. Anyway, nineteen past ten,
If you want to talk, I'm Marcus welcome. Keep those
texts coming through, Marcus. The Catholic clubs in Australia also
have Pokey's. I can remember as a child our grandparents

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tags the clubs. My sister and I were given a
poddle of five sint coins and left to ourselves. Sue says,
I think people are getting sidetracked with the abs and
the coaches, selections, referees, etc. The problem is the jerseys.

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They have swapped the jersey for a shirt that seems
across me in a casual, clerical look or upmarket golf. Short,
it doesn't look rug enough for the game itself. Definitely
not a winner for me. Surely it would be a
total black jersey anyway, just my opinion.

Speaker 8 (01:28:00):
Jeez.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
So the funny thing about the jersey is the only
person I've seen that's not an all black wearing the
jersey was the guy from the Chase that's always over
here pestering people about his love for rugby. And he
looked stupid and it also but clearly was ringing. Was

(01:28:23):
wearing it because he was too polite to say that
he didn't want to wear it. That's my take on
that one. Marcus, the thirteen year old boy forty years ago,
I remember waking up in my boarding school dormitory with
all the boys been asked by the year thirteenth, what
is your religion? If you got the answer on you
were slept with a lot of slaps, a lot of tears,
until the head boy announced as of now, no matter

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what religion you were, Rugby was now your new religion.
He's something it's no doubt that people want. Upon a
time took rugby far too seriously. Marcus, the All Blacks
found out what happens when you poke a spring Bok
you get trampled. Maybe it was the unfamiliar uniform. I
guess dressing like a tech startup doesn't help you when
you're in a scrum. I don't like that, do they? Marcus?

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The Ulbeck's are a bitter team. But that was Hollywood
by the southifican Plaine of the end. As with Scrifle
as a referee, I'd send the bad actor off regards Owen.
So people are still blaming people, aren't they? The ref
the rules, the jersey, the opposition. Marcus Sean Wallace to

(01:29:37):
Destroyer as a trull Black fan. He's been suputting in
for thirty years and wore his ab jusy throughout his
time on Mastermind, which he won. He saw it as
a similar strength and manna. I went to a recently
charity event in Duneeda and Sean Wallace with Sean Wallace,
he paid for himself to come over with brilliant, super
generous and humble. Marcus watched CTI that must be Sleibley

(01:29:59):
Treasure Island tonight. Definitely will be watching. This is a
laugh to raise money for charity. Win win Wood would
really love to see you do it too. Maybe someday,
Chairs mish While leave Sam Derry off the field when
he's made an impact every game he's played on the
black jersey. Robinson needs to swallow his pride and admit
he's wrong about loving so tou tou yep what I

(01:30:23):
call them Monday morning quarterbacks. Everyone's a Monday or a
Monday evening coach. But yeah, I'm hearing you. I don't
know what the other discussion I mean, I'm yeah, As
I always say, it'd be good to wait and read
the book about what they're going to say about what
happened to their team. And it comes to the whole
discussion also, and I know that no one said it,

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but do we just allow the players that are now
playing overseas to come and play for New Zealand. I
know there are some special deals, but they wanted to
keep the players playing, but now they've gone overseas. It
seems all the other teams are doing it seems like

(01:31:05):
the horses bolted and also the chase too. But the
someone that's got the biggest prize whenever, but they're reporting
on that. But I think that's a show that's just
deared in the UK. It's hasn't aired here. Must be
almost the most successful quiz game ever. That why don't
they try to get it going in the States, Because

(01:31:27):
the States love a quiz but they're more will of
Fortune or I love Jeopardy, don't they, which I've never
really understood. We'll never even watched it that much either,
But there we go. Lines are free. My name is Marcus. Welcome.
There is something different you want to mention here for that,
there might be some other topic you want to bring up.
Greatly to be hearing from you. I don't know what

(01:31:49):
it is tonight, but I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Yeah, Hi, Joan,
it's Marcus. Thanks recalling and good evening. Welcome, Joan.

Speaker 16 (01:31:57):
Hello, Marcus. There is a chase on in America, is there?

Speaker 11 (01:32:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:32:03):
And it's been on TV. A really nice lady, she's
really nicely dressed lovely lady probably in the mid forty
she takes it and Mark Labet's been on it, and
of course and Egoity, yes, and they have quite a
higher amount of money and they have a lot of
well i'd say people go to university and really quite

(01:32:23):
I don't know people on it, but they have three
on it, and yeah, they run the chase the same. Yeah,
where have you?

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Where have you watched it?

Speaker 16 (01:32:31):
It's been on Eden probably channel eight, channel eight, I think, Yeah,
it was off and on a Sunday afternoon said no,
not Sunday, said the afternoon about half us three.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Yeah, because I know they've got an Australian ones. So
I've seen the Vixen. Is it the Vixen?

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:32:49):
No, and he's on it and in Mark Mark Labette too.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
I think who's who's the one with the hair hair
up in the uppun that she used to do the questions?
She's like she's singer. She was on a singer trope.
You mean Jenny Jenny what's her nickname?

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
The Viccin?

Speaker 16 (01:33:10):
Yeah, she might be the VICC.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Yeah, I've seen the Vicin on the Australian one.

Speaker 12 (01:33:14):
I think too.

Speaker 16 (01:33:15):
I quite like the Australian one, Larry who takes it. Yeah,
it's a very good program chase and it won't go
on forever. We've bet it for a few years now.

Speaker 13 (01:33:23):
Where do you see them?

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Where do you see the Australian one?

Speaker 16 (01:33:27):
Sometimes late afternoon it's one about about twenty four quick,
I fought about five o'clock. And then of course the
English chas is on.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
Men Yeah, okay, screens on TV in z Before the
English Chase, they've got the Australian one.

Speaker 16 (01:33:44):
The Australian one is on Channel six and then on
Channel Juke. Is it Duke, Yeah, yeah, it's one of
those other number six Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
How do you go with How do you go with
your answers?

Speaker 16 (01:33:58):
I'm not too bad, No, I'm quite surprised with myself sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Good on your jon't thank you sixteen to a.

Speaker 8 (01:34:08):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
I didn't like the supernerd on the Australian one. He
kind of didn't ahead in a bit, so it overplays
that the super nerd. I don't quite know where he
came from, you know, you know if you see him.

(01:34:32):
Top ranked Australian competed ten times in the twenty in
the world Quizzing Championships. I think you're joining the Quizzing Championship.
You probably take it a little bit seriously. Here's the
other question for you. Is anyone partaken in a medical trial?
I don't know why. There's something called my Facebook feed.

(01:34:54):
They're looking for people for a research into fungal toenails.
Fifteen clinic visits. You get three grand, but you got
to fungal tone ol in fiction or at least one
of your big toes. Good way to get your foot
fungus sorted. See those cropping up more and more of

(01:35:18):
a Facebook feed asking for trials. I presuming to be
based in Auckland for those anyway. I just put that
out there. I wonder if anyone's gone and done that,
how'd that work out for them? And of course there
could be a downside, could have horrific side effects, but

(01:35:41):
I think that's not the plan anyway. Some texts will
Worth staff are striking tomorrow twelve till two pm for
the living wage and safer staffing levels. Another text covid
must have been messive for the chase. In New Zealand,
TV one plays it twice a day and it became
compulsory watching for me when usually I would be at work. Well,

(01:36:02):
that's when people got back into evan Ol Farm was
during COVID. Anyone's watching it anymore? Nice stone walls on
Emmandale though, that kind of guy getting drunk in the field,
remember that before the two o'clock announcement, Marcus. Unfortunately using
and rugby is suffering from geographical isolation, with teams playing

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in the Northern Hemisphere competition getting a far stronger level
of competition exactly, but I want to know exactly how
that plays out. I know some of the South African
players play for the European teams, but I presume there
must be a competition with the South African clubs and
the European clubs. So I got that one right. Because

(01:36:47):
the time zones, it must be hard for it must
be hard for the allbacks going all that way and
coming back and sort of trying to battle. I'm not
making excuses, but tell you what, when you were owned
Using in the whole, battling with um with the whole,
sleep deprived and jet leg must be a problem. So yeah,

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New Ziland rugby suffering for geographic isolation. Rugby Aserria is
not the game it once was New Zealand rugby has
become locked into the Trans Testament competition, whilst Everycing rugby
has benefited greatly from playing in the Northern Hemisphere. Yeah well,
how do we let that happen? Just hear the last call?
So maybe a way off topic, but the Aussie version
of Tipping Point has noted the chase off for the

(01:37:29):
most watched spot. Maybe the Aussies find it too hard
because tipping Point is a nonsense game? Were that stupid? Things?
Going back and forward? Goodness me.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
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