You can't tell people how to feel (11 December 2024)

Marcus gauges reaction to a non-announcement Cook Strait ferry announcement.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus lush Nights podcast from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
That'd be greetings and welcome. How AI am Marcus lush Nights.
That's what the kids call me, a Marcus hid at
midnight to I hope it's good. We you are Wow, whoa, whoa, whoa?
What's happening? Just listen to the news too, which is
interesting that I already thought of that. But gas stations
will be a thing of the past, won't they. What

(00:31):
happen to all those sites? Maybe that's why they're going
so big on the snacks and chocolate VARs and pies,
because I presume they will continue to go when there
is no petrel? Is that right? You already thought about that,
all those quarter sites. Yeah, what will they go to anyway?

(00:56):
Banks stopping lending on petrel, stopping lending on petrol stations.
I guess they could become supermarkets. But we don't want
more supermarkets to do because I guess we shopping list could
get stuff delivered anyway. Here till midnight, there's a lot on.
Feel free to come through if you've got breaking use
bad weather free bad weather expeted for Auckland tomorrow. Just
warning you. It's kind of the unsettled time of the year.

(01:19):
Weather was supposed to be summer, but decend it was
the way sketchy. But they are predicting downpours yep. In fact,
they're predicting something they're calling a deluge yep, low press
system from the northwest, surge of warm moist air. So

(01:40):
it's all going to be thunder and lightning tomorrow. Be
here for that. I don't know if there's going to
be flooding, but thunderstorms and localized downpours are possible, So
that's happening for tomorrow. Always get a bit of a tempest,
don't we Just before that last week of school anyway?
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine to none to
detect if you do have use, it's breaking as no
one that news is. I'm always up for it. And

(02:01):
a lot's happened lately with crashes and planes been hit
by lightning and all sorts of stuff. I think tonight
will be no different. Feels like the crazy season. Yeah,
it feels like people have becoming slightly unstuck towards the
end of the year. There will be my take on that.

(02:24):
You might want to comment. Also, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty and nine to nine two two text I
get in touch if you want to talk Marcus till twelve,
looking forward to what you've got to say. Something else.
I just want to tell you also to because certainly
plenty to talk about. Don't get me started on the
rail ferries. For goodness sake, what have they done for
a year? Well, apparently nothing. You're in there for three years,

(02:49):
you cancel them to begin within a year later you've
done nothing. Flip kick the can down the road to
twenty twenty nine. Anyway, Hey, in the UK, and I
don't know if this is a good idea or not,

(03:09):
but I'm interested in this. In the United Kingdom, you
can get an l bait to tell people you're a
learner a loser, as people say. You can get your
P plate for those that have recently gained their license.
In the UK, there is a new sticker that you
put on the back of your car and it's a

(03:32):
B sticker, and the B stickings that you are bad
at parking and that's mean, it's hope and encourages others
to give them more time and space and car parks. Yeah,

(03:52):
so they've made available for people to display on their vehicles,
but roads safety groups have criticized their availability and said
motorists should seek additional training rather than raise attention to
the before driving with a B plate. I love it,
absolutely love it, and surveys show half of all motors

(04:13):
feel they could benefit from further training or assistant When
it comes to parking, One in six says of experienced
stress or worry about having to park the car, and
a third spend extra time searching for a space in
a car park that has unoccupied bays either side, rather
than trying to squeeze into unflanked by other vehicles. I'll

(04:34):
tell you one thing right as a parent, every time
you're going to go parallel park, that's when the kids
will start asking your questions or tapping on the back
of the seat. You have two kids in the back
of the car. It doesn't make parallel parking easier, and
the kids don't care. They just think Dad's going to
nail it. Oh yeah, it's terrifying. What there should be

(04:57):
is a screen on your desh. It'll tell your heart.
But when you go to reverse, because wow, so would
you want to be an R plate for reversing is
it R Is it B B for backing? Why is
it a B? Why would it be a B? Plate

(05:21):
should be A Oh, I guess it's already. Our B
stands for bad at parking. I'll tell you one thing
I reckon that the reversing cameras have been the greatest
single invention ever for a parking in parallel parking, you're

(05:43):
now it every time, and I think you can always
park and you can get out of that car park
without acknowledging the people that are watching that you have
got a reversing cat. They make it so much easier.
I'd like a camera at the front also, I'm sure
you can get the one super cheap. Anyway, would you

(06:07):
want to be a sticker to show you bad at parking?
But it's quite different because very really to people actually
say they're bad at something. By the way, school prize
givings ooh, don't get me started. The parents don't enjoy them,
the kids don't enjoy them, the teachers don't enjoy them.

(06:29):
No one enjoys them. Have an end of your consort
of have some musical things or do something like that.
Prize giving themselves terrible, absolutely terrible. No one likes them.
They are just a bad compromise. All around. Hot afternoons

(06:53):
in the summer, the last thing people want to be
doing is sitting in a hall watching endless children go
across anyway, That's just me and I've come from a
prize giving today. Helen Marcus, Welcome.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Good evening, Marcus. I want to know what the difference
between rail enabled and rail capable is. And by the way,
I'm a terrible parker. You know, they said that these
new fairies they'll be rail capable, but they won't be
rail enabled.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Okay, so what's the difference.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I don't understand what either of those terms actually mean.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I would think, right, that's a really good question. It's
my understanding, having set through a couple of these discussions,
that a rail capable fairy would allow wagons and carriages

(07:55):
with containers to just go straight on and then they
come off the other side, a rail enabled one or
vice verse. I can't work out which is which would ename?
Will you? If you're actually bringing stuff by containers up
the South Island, then they would lift those containers off,
put them on the train, and then put them on
another train at the other side, so you could still

(08:16):
bring stuff up the country by rail, but it would
involve a lot of theffing around once it gets to
the ferry. Yes, do you understand that?

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Oh yeah, But.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
What what it means is that means it means places
like the the the rail workshop in Dunedin. I think
what it's called hells that that will no longer be
able to make rolling stock because they won't be able
to get it to the North Island.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Terrible. I think it was much better to have it
have it so that you could actually put the train on.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Absolutely absolutely. You wrote robust and good infrastructure because it's
made so many compromises over the years when it comes
to public transport. So yeah, thank you, Helen. We'll keep
talking about this bad parking railer. If someone can answer
that more succiically than I could. I'd love to hear
from you about that. But that's kind of what I think.
Timmt's Marcus, welcome, good evening.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, Max, your last caller and your explanation of capable
and able was awesome. Thank you. Ah now just let
me get through my head again. So capable means you
can just drive trains straight on, is that correct? And
able means you drive the train from either direction up

(09:38):
to the port and you devan the containers onto the vessel. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Rail and rail enabled means that you can actually drive
your trains on rail. Cape rail compatible I think they're
talking about means you use lorries to put the freight
on and off. The ferries take longer, be less efficient,
and we'll cost more for the users and for goods.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, okay, right, see, I was going to try and
talk that up the positive, but did you put it
like that. I think I'd just be wasting your head
on to the NUS.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, it also means you've got to build because you've
got you've got the place the Hillside and Otago didn't
even where you make all the trains and rolling stock.
You'd need to replicate those facilities to build them on
the North Island because you couldn't move rolling stock from
the South Island to the North Island. They'd all be
prisoner in the islands they belong. So there's huge costs

(10:34):
having to replicate those services to make rolling stock. So yeah,
nice to hear from your term George Marcus.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Welcome.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
He just pinched my thunder the article. I would said
that take the containers off the trains at the wall
and put them onto truck trailers and you pushed those
on with trail truck drivers units, you know, like they
do now. Yeah, And that's the only way to get
them on and off the training twice as long. Twice
they're handling, well, three times they're in the ex there's

(11:03):
no handling if the train drives straight on.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
The experts on the railway industry say that if the
fairies aren't rail enabled, it will be the end of
rail in the South Island.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
Yeah, yeah, you'll be dead right. I mean, it's just
nuts the way it's all gone.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I think nothing's happened. They've had a year to do it.
I mean, they talked up the announcement. And that's why
I think on TikTok Luxon's got a greyhound in his
office because that's the thing that's got this big victory.
Because this is just a disaster.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
Well, what you had today was an announcement about an
announcement yet to come. Yes, because they said they're going
to do this, but they don't know how much the
fairies cost. They said they're going to build the terminals,
but they don't know how much the terminals cost. And
they said previously that we're going to know all about
this before Christmas, and who would.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Announce something and they haven't got out. It sounds like
poor politics to me.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
To will we criticize labor for doing that all the time.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
They had a plan the firies, we would have got
the theories in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 6 (12:10):
No, No, the first theories are arriving next year. The
first theory was completed next year to be brought to
New Zealand. Now there's hang on the study on the
hang on I July next year.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Think you are right there.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
You go back to the nineteen twenty twenty contract, look
at that for delivery date and they offered two theories
for five hundred and fifty million, I'm almost sure.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
And it was one in June twenty twenty six and one.
And I've got the information here in front of it. Anyway,
it's eighty six months involved. But that was that was
my understanding, and I've read that just moments ago.

Speaker 6 (12:50):
But yeah, Well, the other interesting thing is I've been
looking at the ferries and they were talking about I
think it's Ireland Order the theory and so they've got
their theory now, but they haven't got the terminals. So
they've had to go to Scotland to pack the ferry
up in the port and it's costed in forty seven
and a half thousand dollars a day to park it

(13:12):
while they build the ports to connect them to We're
going to end up in the same scenario. This is
going to be piece meal. I think it's just totally
wrong the way it's all gone. They said yesterday on
the news that the fairies were going to cost nine
hundred million. Today we're told they don't know how much
they're going to cost. Who's telling Porky's.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well, I think David Seamo said they'll cost one and
a half million, and Winston said, well, don't talk rubbish,
which kind of implies that they've probably he's probably got
it right, because he must have said on those meetings one.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
And a half million or one hundred million.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Sorry, yeah, yeah, that would prove you right.

Speaker 6 (13:49):
But what's the terminal going to cost? Because don't forget
with the original terminal, they already got the resource consent
worked out for the land, they've bought the land, they
had to marry a wee agreement with everything, everything was
in placement was in progress. Now they're starting again. Who
knows even where they're going to build it. It probably
won't be the same location. They had a huge space

(14:12):
for all the parking and for all the train but
to get everything on off the ferry. Yes, it was big,
but they were designing it for forty years into the future.
We're getting something just to replace the present theories with
something probably the same size or even smaller. It's nuts.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
I'll just trying to get that right. Yeah, no, no, I agree.
I agreed Tarlie with you.

Speaker 7 (14:33):
But.

Speaker 6 (14:35):
I just don't think it was a gut reaction. I
think it was a gut reaction by a Minister of finance.
She had to prove herself somewhere or another exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
It was a big, bold decision and.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
It was there.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah, the whole thing should have just kept going and
been done. Those terminals will probably three quarters built one now.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, the rail fairies were due to be delivered in
twenty twenty six, George, it was. It wasn't next year,
was the year after. So yeah, that's fine, okay, thanks George,
Marty Marcus, welcome Marcus.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
How's your prize giving today?

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Was that right?

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah? I think, I mean, I think the kids get
confused by the kids don't really know what's going on.
There's the awards, certain certainly sitting awards are given for
people sort of who have got awards for sort of
character or circumstance and stuff like that. So yeah, yeah,
it's confusing for children, I think.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
Yeah, yeah, there's Well, when you get to high school
it gets slightly better because they email you if your
kids getting something, so you've got to check your emails.
And then and then the primary ones. I've been to
a few prize comings in my time. The primary ones
are getting better. I'm becoming more like our dancing with
As far as performance, there's certainly a matter matter. Okay,

(15:55):
so the primary schools, each class has a song and
they have to do a dance for it, and it's
like a little dance performance. And then the prize giving
part is more for the senior class. And then they
get all the silverware from the nineteenth forties or whenever
the wall boom was in the yek when all the
trophies got made fine sixties. Yeah, anyway, they get the

(16:16):
old trophies.

Speaker 8 (16:17):
To the senior one.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
But some advice like if a straggling sit with a
small child near the exit and just like pretend you
got to paint them out and do something with the kid.
That's a good good to thee, can't.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I think that sounds like a great idea of different
castes doing different performances. That would be something because everyone
would enjoy that. I think it's the endless parade of
people going and getting box of chocolates. It's a bit
full on, Marty. Thanks nice to talk, twenty eight past eight,
get your texts nine to nine to text or eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty head on midnight tonight. Oh

(17:02):
how come the users of train freight don't pay for
the total ferry cost? Marcus original there for the rail
freies was to provide an iron bridge across Cookstraight for
trains and trucks and cars, so the main hiver it
was joined up. Marcus canceled the big ferries with a
three hundred million dollar cancelation, feed on nothing for the

(17:24):
first third of their term, and now they're buying smaller
ones but will not decide but not till next decade
with no further information. This should be the death nail
for the leader. Unbelievable, Marcus. I've just had my factory
fitted reversing camera replaced. It gives me three sixty degrees
of view and it's brilliant plus still shows you the

(17:47):
rare view. Graham Christ Jurge, Marcus, I believe the train
still pushes the carriages out of the fair and the
carriages right across. But the train does not right across. No,
that's not correct. The rolling stock can't go from one
island to the other island, promise you, Marcus. The fairies

(18:15):
stuck over in Scotland are destined for Tasmania, similar circumstances
of us. And they haven't yet built the terminal required
for the larger fairies construction due for completion around twenty
twenty six. That's why the new fairies having to be
stored in Scotland here till twelve. Ross, Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 9 (18:33):
Oh Marcus, tell you tonight.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Good Thank you, Ross.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Just for these theories.

Speaker 9 (18:39):
Something that's never really come out is the trainers or
the containers go on to go on to the faery.
They are all rented. Now, is that going to be
a long term thing or you know, a long term

(19:01):
costing that nobody's actually thought about.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
People have thought about it.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
So because at the moment.

Speaker 9 (19:11):
They're all rented from truck rentals.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Okay, okay, which is all which and that's what they're saying.
If it's not rail enabled, the cost of moving freight
is much more expensive. It also means the viability of
around the South Island will go because they carry all
the rail maintenance trucks and sleepers across the straight on

(19:36):
rail wagons.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
That's right.

Speaker 9 (19:38):
Yeah, so yeah, I was just thinking about it a little.
You know, probably there's probably a lot it's going to
be a lot cheaper. Really, do you actually have the
rail go on to the pieries rather than to be

(19:59):
renting trailers all the time and then pull these containers.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Well, I think I think you've got to look at
it a rail ferry from a country like New Zealand
as a situation. It's a continuation of a you know,
of the all the roads and rail it's got to
be a continuation of those. So so trucks can go,
cars can go, people can go, buses can go, and
rolling stock can go.

Speaker 8 (20:26):
That's right.

Speaker 9 (20:26):
Yeah, so so yeah, wonder whether that's.

Speaker 7 (20:30):
All of that.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Oh, look, the I think it was a grand gesture
at the beginning of a government to say we're going
to cancel this to look tough and do all those
sorts of things. But you know, they might be able
to find.

Speaker 10 (20:42):
A a manuf you know, a ship building place that
can you know, they might find out the best place
to build these ships is going to be that place
in South Korea, and we've canceled the contract with them.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
They probably wouldn't want the appetite for other contract. You know,
it's hard to play to get places that can do
ships in time.

Speaker 9 (21:05):
Yeah, yeah, that would be interesting to see what.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Well, it's just delaying. It's just delaying important infrastructure and
then skimping on so it becomes kind of a temporary
and kind of basic solution, which has been like railheads
from the very beginning of the rail gauge was too narrow,
it wasn't built big enough. They didn't really build great

(21:32):
transport infrastructure in the cities. They blew the rail cars
by buying cheap rail cars. Those feats that keep blowing up,
which was the end of passenger transport in this Country's
been really bad decisions, really, and I think it's important
to get good rail Christian Marcus, welcome, good Thanks Krishna.

Speaker 11 (21:55):
I don't know the exact details of the fairy thing.
But I do think one place where we do need
to get better. You know, we had we had a
country where we have lots and lots of issues, right,
not just fairies, not just infrastructure, not just one one
one thing.

Speaker 8 (22:12):
We have lots of issues.

Speaker 11 (22:14):
We do need to learn to spend just enough so
that we can move on to the next problem, which
is where I think there was a big difference between
how labor wanted to spend money and how national is
trying to spend money. You cannot solve one problem fully
at the expense of lots of other issues and leave

(22:34):
them on the table. So for me, I think spending
just enough so that the ferry problem is probably resolved,
But I don't know ten years is enough move on
to the next hang on.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Hang On Krishna, the fairies will cost nine hundred million,
which is up from five hundred and fifty one million.
They've already sent five hundred million into the old plan,
and they've got a three hundred million breakup fee for
HYANDAI for canceling the contract. So it's going to work
out way more expensive series and less service.

Speaker 11 (23:09):
Way more expensive per ferry. In the total picture. Is
it very more expensive?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Absolutely, because I spent five hundred million on the old
plan to get the each end, to get the ports fixed,
there's a three hundred million break free fee. And the
new billions and the new and the new feries will
cost nine hundred million, which is up from five hundred

(23:36):
and fifty one million. So when you know, and they're
not quite sure if the new ports will come and
at cost or not so, and the ferries will be
not rail enabled, so they'll have to build new facilities
in the South Island and the North End to replicate
facilities to maintain trains and build trains and stuff like that.

(23:59):
So it becomes very complicated later.

Speaker 11 (24:01):
Right, that that could be later?

Speaker 7 (24:03):
Right?

Speaker 11 (24:03):
The question is can we managed with a letter spend
now so that we can do a bit more later.
We're not a rich country and we're not getting money
out of the ground and we're not printing money like
labor did, so I think I think that's a big
difference between philosophy.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Okay, christ the chef to that dB, it's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 8 (24:22):
I agree with you that we've under under invested invested
on rail, but chams shipping from containers for the rail
ferries is counterinsured. You get more containers to the trip
by printing them on road trailers than you do while
living them on the rail wagons. They are arrive it

(24:44):
so form of financial point of view, we can move
more freight by double handling them. But of course, but.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
It means all the freight is more expensive because the
cost of freight increases because of the added labor, the
hiring of the gear and the transportation.

Speaker 8 (25:03):
We've been doing that now for what other out of
railways ten years ten years where we're because only the
Aratiria is railing able long we can drive a train onto.
Other two are completely roll on roll off ferries. What
we do is tray arrives into the yard. This is

(25:23):
container freight. It's take it off rail wagons and stuck
onto shorter trailers and then tugged onto the ship. The
a rail wagon wastes around about fifteen to twenty feet
of blank space in each end in total, so a

(25:46):
forty foot container wastes another twenty five feet of unusable
space on top of a wagon that weighs fifteen tons
that you have to move from nothing. If you stick
on a trailer, a twenty foot container will sit on
top of a five ton trailer, forty four containers sit

(26:07):
on an eight ton trailer, and you're saving dead weight
there as well. So the simple calculation is more containers
per trip, less price per container.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Although that's not what people say. People do say that
it will be more expensive with the transfer.

Speaker 8 (26:27):
They feel, and I would have agreed with them ten
years ago until I sat down and watched it in action,
because it's not as though there's any time being wasted.
These containers don't turn up on matt as a shipload.
They trickle in both channels, in both directions, bit by bit,

(26:47):
and so they're transferred in what would have been downtime.
There's so many trucks that turned up, not only for
Kiwi Rail but for Bluebridge as well, that arrived three
four hours before a ferry and just sit there. You're
paying for that as well, so all these costs disappear

(27:08):
into the box. Two fairies not enough, even if they're
going to be bigger. I mean, we've got three for
three Bridge, two three for Kiwi Rail. That's six and
they can't barely keep up. I'm not saying they don't
keep up, but they barely keep up. Both companies have
won away. Usually Latance, you get one good storm, there's

(27:32):
three days of catchup. Because I don't care how much
people yell, I want to go across crook straight. Those
same people are the ones sitting in the middle of
the deck crying your eyes out with the season so
rough you can't even stand.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah. I think that's why people have their hearts said
on these on the big firies, because there were such
a size that they were going to be, you know,
and they would take all the wagons or whatever because
they can handle that. That additional franks had so much
more capacity. It seemed as it was going to be
some sort of a commitment to the future, commitment to
the South Island, commitment to rail, commitment to New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (28:14):
Once we've we've blown up both islands with their basic
level number of wagons, locomotives, bah blah blah blah, there
doesn't have to be any wagon transfer between the.

Speaker 12 (28:26):
Islands you have.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I think there always would be, though, wouldn't they. That's
just the nature of the railways. Want flexibility of demand
and stuff. You might have suddenly a lot of logs
going in the South Island. You want some of the
wagons there and you can do that otherwise you've got
no flexibility at all.

Speaker 8 (28:47):
So then you bring back coastal shipping.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
But then you have to get then you have to
build massive MESSI get the terminals to get the wagons. Yeah,
so that's I mean.

Speaker 8 (29:00):
Country.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Can you get railway wagons off at Littleton?

Speaker 8 (29:05):
No, there's no infrastructure for it at all.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
So you not at all can say you only get
them off at pict in Wellington.

Speaker 8 (29:12):
Right, only two places is yealing with a rail link
span is Wellington and Afflicted. And even Wellington only has one.
Now I used to have two. I had two of
course as well when we had different sized theories. So
if you're going to buy a theory that's going to
use the current link spans, you have to design them
for the rear end to fit, and that sort of

(29:35):
screws up other parts of the way a theory works
at the.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I just suspect these new theories they're going to say
they're going to cost a million and a half, they'll
cost twice that. They won't be here in twenty nine,
they'll be here in twenty thirty five. We have to
higher expensive theories or do something in the meantime because
the current ones won't last.

Speaker 8 (29:56):
It won't be canceled the order of course.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
They shouldn't have. It won't be affecting national because they'll
be out of power, whether it be after one thing
or two, and.

Speaker 8 (30:05):
We will have done the here we think of kicking
it down the road and somebody else's problem.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, and won't be tired if there is a rail
because I think it also is emotional after the way
he need things like that, I mean people, it needs
to be a it needs to be a fairy that's
fit for purpose.

Speaker 8 (30:26):
We all thought the Araha when it first arrived was
going to save New Zealand somehow. And as trucks got bigger,
she was, excuse me, incapable of taking trucks on the
rail deck because truck's got taller, the fairy didn't. So
we ran into this problem with the Arahura. She often

(30:48):
sailed with nothing on board because she couldn't put trucks
on the top deck without rail wagons, and there was
no rail wagons to go.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
How long did we get out of the Arrahora Thirty years? Yeah,
and that seems to be the life. That's their life,
isn't it?

Speaker 13 (31:07):
So?

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, Okay, that's.

Speaker 8 (31:08):
The service life. So yeah, the ones who've got now
twenty five even our three, even with the problems, she's
done good service. It's not moving trying to move the
island last couple of months.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, let's see about that. The better, thank you, DV
the auto Marcus, I don't think the government has made
a fairy good choice with the faery debarcle. That's very
good choice, James loving one O six point two and
Donners still listening on AM in the car as goes
over hills. Better, don't forget the AM go you Marcus.
I'd like to know what charge is made for trucks
with their containers on fairies? Is a bo total tonnage?

(31:49):
Someone will know? Earthquake to the other heart, No sounds
of that, Marcus. On another note, iron Manuel Champs held
in top All this weekend. Can't get over the number
of locals complaining about road closures and convenient six thousand
plus in down. We've been forewarned, So people need to

(32:11):
get over themselves and embrace the global athletics and crew
and welcome to our slices of paradise. Rebeca. Hey, Marcus,
Lush Nancy here have you ever actually been on these fairies. Well,
the fairies haven't been built yet, they haven't even been
ordered yet, they haven't been costa yet, so no one's

(32:34):
been on these fairies. The old internal fairies well, and
the current fairies have been on many a time. Oh, Marcus,
the faery solution we have been given isn't ideal and
won't be any less expensive. However, there is capacity on
coastal shipping routes to move shipping cans. Don't make the

(32:57):
deil crate local jobs in the regions unless damage to roads.
I don't think there's any appetite for local shipping at all.
Coastal shipping the last haven't tried that. There was a
couple of attempts at it, but I think they themselves
have now been defunded and I don't think it's going
to happen. Don't count the old dinosaur Minister of Rail out.

(33:19):
I believe he will front up given the space. Do
they have a plan for the old ships? They should
give them to the navy. They're good at disposing of vessels, Malcolm, Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 8 (33:33):
Marcus malam here.

Speaker 14 (33:35):
Malcolm, I just like i'd just like to say your last.

Speaker 8 (33:38):
Long caller was the best and form call of the
night and your shield.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
But while he's worked for railway quite a lot, so
that's well, I I think I think actually he's a
skip he's yeah, he's I think he's worked both in
rail and in the maritime industry.

Speaker 8 (33:57):
Yeah, well, I used to actually deal a different capacity
with many years ago. That's what who quickly was.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Kyw Ryle yep, yep, yep, yep, yeah.

Speaker 8 (34:11):
But very quickly. The problem is what The two new
ships were brilliant dew but my experience of Purial in
a difficult capacity was one division did not talk to
the other about the fact that the ships wouldn't fit

(34:32):
the current port facilities, and that's where all the problem was.
And there was nothing wrong. It was a great deal,
but the problem was the dysfunctionality of that organization is
so bad that they I know it's going to be downsized.

(34:57):
I think it has to be the cost blowouts. I
can tell you that he real was told by one
of the best British infrastructure thought, God, you can't build
in Wellington. I knew thought. Facility On recently reclaimed the

(35:23):
land on top of a major bolt and that was
actually concurred today actually on Matt Heathon. You know Tyler
Adamshaw when an Iraq's senior staff member ad literally uh.
I don't know whether it still works for him, but

(35:44):
he said it was doomed fulfilure from the start. And
I've been involved in major projects.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Because Malcolm I think. I think besides all of this,
and people get into discussions about what happened, the fact
is that the deal was canceled and they said he's
going to be announcement in a year, right and today
if it was outside, and it just it just seems
to be extraordinary politics to talk up and I can't
work out what's gone on to talk to cancel for
a year we're going an announcement and then have no announcement.

(36:13):
It just no one gets it. No one understands or
works out why they would do it.

Speaker 8 (36:20):
But you cannot spend money after bad money, and that
was what was happening.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
We need but we'll need to get ferries and to
get new fories. You need to plan years in advance.
Because there aren't many places I.

Speaker 8 (36:33):
Agree, and they were left and by the way I
brought it door sides, so I'm not speaking from politicool
point of view. The simple fact was.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
It's just too noisy, Malcolm.

Speaker 8 (36:47):
Fin of money that was spent going after nothing. And
what I believe in going back to that other long caller,
was simply you get too smaller ships, easy the facilities
and you do a Wellington to Littleton free Bright that
takes all the pressure off the roads.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
But then that would cost a fortune to build the
to make Lyttleton rail competitive.

Speaker 8 (37:15):
Well no, no, no, you do it as it used
to be.

Speaker 15 (37:18):
They did it for years.

Speaker 8 (37:21):
So you take all the traffic off State Highway one
from Landham.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
So you're putting containers and lifting the containers off and
put them on ships when they get into port. Absolutely okay,
good on your Malcolm, keep it going ahead on midnight
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two
to text look forward to your calls and rail and
stickers for bad packers, which I think is probably quite

(37:47):
a good idea. Anyway, Marcus, till midnight, how are your people? Hey, Look,
I don't know what happened to the phantom quake of Tiadaha.
Someone texted through and said there's a big quake. There
has been no sign of it.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Someone's texted me their addressed with wind. I don't know
what radio station they've been listening to. Oh, get in
touch by names Marcus welcome eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty and nine two nine two to text. Also in
the UK, you can get a sticker that says B
on the back of your car, that says you're bad
at parking? Will that bring you any joy? Because it is?

(38:30):
I guess if you are reverse parallel parking. I guess
it's more difficult if there is people in a shop
looking at you, or if there's cars behind you waiting
for you to do your parallel park That's where the
anxiety kicks in. It's probably something I should be teaching

(38:51):
at school along with resilience. Might be part of resilience anyway,
get in touch you want to talk about that? Also
also the talk about the fairies, and not so much
to talk about whether it was right to cancel the
old ones, but whether they and because I think that's
the problem that has happened, but the fact that they
said there's going to be announcement about the fairies, and

(39:16):
everyone seems to be underwhelmed that there's no dates, there's
no costs, there's pretty much nothing. We don't know what
the fairies will be. We don't know what the designs
will be. We don't know the likely models, the sizes,
all the deals. We've just got a target date of

(39:36):
five years. I don't know if it was naive of me,
but I thought once the cancelation was announced and the
plan was be for a year, there'd be another announcement
that they would have everything worked out. And I don't
know if that means they've had trouble if an in fact,

(40:00):
they've had to go back to the South Korean shipbuilder
who they texted to cancel the last deal and gone
grobving them. I don't know what's happened, but yeah, it
seems to be a lot. It seems to be a long, long,
long way away before we're going to get any more information.
So yeah, because she was talking about a Corolla or
secondhand furies, they might no longer be available. I don't

(40:21):
know what's going on, because these fairies will be on
their use by day before too long. It's a pretty
sketchy part of water also, and the ships have had
form on that straight of water. Getting touched on to
talk about that eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and
reversing stickers for your car seems very British. It seems

(40:46):
very unlikely thing to Britain have done, actually to give
your stickers to say you're not good at parallel parking?
And who knows the names of the last humans to
walk on the moon? I couldn't answer that. I'm sure
you'll struggle to answer that. Also this day in nineteen
thirty six, to King Dard the eight abdicated, what's it

(41:14):
like eighty eight years ago? It's not a century? Fullood's
Marcus welcome.

Speaker 16 (41:20):
Hey, I guess just think about the fairies. And I
know there is obviously a few floors of this idea.
But you know we had blue Bridge going across Cogstrainer.
It's a private company, doesn't cost us taxpayers ascent. Maybe
I'm wrong there. I mean, why don't we encourage the
second private company to do it? Won't cost us nine
hundred million or four billion, won't cost us ascent. And

(41:41):
you just put in a few because I realized that
state highway whining we've got to have. We don't want
blue Bridge or another private company suddenly put out the
rates double or treble but you you basically advertise that
here is a segment of water in the world for
a faery company to run, like Blue Bridge are running it.
It won't cost us taxpayers anything.

Speaker 17 (42:00):
But you put it.

Speaker 16 (42:01):
You know, you do only charge so much. You got
to keep it within Blue Bridge or body the CPI is.
And we don't have a bill for a billion dollars.
I mean, what you know this whole compulsion that we
must have our own private New Zealand owned fairies running
across cock strakes and that's a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
It's just what so you'd privatize that thing?

Speaker 18 (42:22):
Why Blue You're doing.

Speaker 8 (42:23):
A great job.

Speaker 16 (42:23):
I just I took them, took their theories on the
weekend and you know, there and back and they had
the current float on there and it was a great service.
I mean I also I went across with interrial tor
and backward Bluebridge. Both the services were equally the same cost,
same service. Both gave a really good service. I was
a happy customer with both of them. But I don't

(42:45):
see a need that we must have New Zealand. I mean,
it's nostalgia and nice that New Zealand have our own fairies,
but if it's always costing US a billion dollars, or
some people say we're going to have a rail option
at four billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
I mean, why, Yeah, I don't know if the rail
option has been four billion dollars. Well, I guess it
was three billion full that year. Well, thank you Anny,
It's Marcus. Welcome, Hi, Any Marcus, Hi Any.

Speaker 19 (43:13):
I think that previous call had just said what I
was going to say. Back in two thousand and two,
Jim Barker started Blue Bridge because of how useless New
Zealand rail was and he went from strength strengths to
strengths and it was weird enough and he got stock

(43:36):
and tractors whatever down to the South Island. No problem
at all, always on time, no delays, nothing. The government
can't run businesses.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Thanks for that, any Tim, Marcus.

Speaker 8 (43:53):
Welcome, Welcome, Hey Marcaus.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Hell's Joe good. Thanks to hey.

Speaker 14 (44:00):
I'm quite a frequent musical theories. I understand it running
out of his id and obviously we need your theories.
In terms of privatization, I'm a a fifty filly on it,
I am, because again that you know, always companies that
need to make a profit, say the government organizations.

Speaker 17 (44:22):
Such but.

Speaker 14 (44:24):
It's going to become unaffordable and unattainable for people to
catch the theory I believe, let's say, attend if that happens.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, I guess too. There's the unreliable sense if you've
got to private enterprise too, that you know that they
could actually give up and you could be left stranded.
You know, the faery company, or there could be the
ferry companies that could side it's not going to be
worth their while. They could hold the government to rent
them and say and then just leave.

Speaker 14 (44:51):
And well exactly, Marcus. And you know this is probably
on a bit of a whole tangent. But as you
see in the US with their health system, I mean
it's privatized.

Speaker 8 (45:04):
And look terrible.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
They that company thirty percent of claims were knocked back
thirty percent.

Speaker 14 (45:10):
Yeah, I mean, if you had asthma in some states
of America you would be denied health coverage. So we
don't want to go down that path. It's a different
from the avenue, but that could happen here.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
And the other argument you're saying, what privatize all our roads?
That could be something people could say would make sense,
they could do it better, Well.

Speaker 14 (45:31):
Then everything would be told. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, and how
how would the farmers themselfan field? So they've got to
drive the tractor through, you know, and you've got to
pay a toll.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Thanks Tom, keep it going, Graham. Michael's welcome, but hey,
how are you good? Thank you Graham.

Speaker 13 (45:53):
Good raising another issue about the fairies. Drop the trucks
from trish shosh to picked in completely, put them on
a ferry at Littleton or rail.

Speaker 8 (46:06):
And rail.

Speaker 13 (46:10):
Because it will save a lot on road maintenance, rail
maintenance between question and Putain and Little Haber is the
deepest harbor in New Zealand unledged, so the dore'sn't many
a milegiorships there the deepest haber in the world. Undredged
to be honest, because I been the next volcano wars
a volcano. Not many people know that, but we've still

(46:34):
had plenty of wharves available in them.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
I mean, that's the bigger question is that around the
world countries are going back to rail because it's just
makes so much more sense from a roading point of view,
from a climate point of view as well with emissions,
and they're investing in it. They're investing into rail and
no one wants to be driving that road between christ
Jurtch and Picked and with trucks the whole time on it.
But that just seems to be the way we've gone because.

Speaker 8 (47:00):
The good road to drivers.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah, but the road trend s'sport lobby have so much
influence over government and the government particular national government's always
been anti trains because you know, we know the way
that all works.

Speaker 13 (47:15):
You think about a train. You've got what a fifty
ft flat deck carriage or whatever. You hit a forty
foot on it and a twenty on the end or whatever,
and if they're all full, the ship's full. You got
to save a lot of money. Instead of going up
and down the rail on the road overnight service or
twice a day service, it takes that ours And that

(47:38):
used to doubt.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
The deepest harbor in the world is Sydney Harbor.

Speaker 13 (47:45):
Okay I was standing corrected.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, but that's used to me sixty meters deep and
that's probably why water is clear sandstone. The other thing
that I think, Grant, we're about to you, you're in
the north side of the South Island.

Speaker 13 (47:57):
No, I wouldn't go to the North Island, sir, cross
you sir.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
My theory is Unfortunately christ Church right yep, had the
and some people left. Then a lot of people didn't leave,
and it's becoming a very big city. And hopefully, yeah,
and hopefully if the South Island continues to go gangbusters

(48:21):
and gets bigger quicker, and it will because people can't
get enough of Queenstown and people are moving into ranguor
own places. If the South Island get to two million
people or something like that and become a significant island,
then in fact, I think probably they will become self
sufficient from a manufacturing point of view, and there won't

(48:43):
be the need for so much freight to go between
the two islands, because I can't quite work out which.
I can't quite work out why which why freight goes
between the two islands, and which way most of the
freight is going. I know, I have people this show
quite often who are taking bread from christ Church to
walk and well, that's crazy.

Speaker 13 (49:03):
Well you gotta make us up there, haven't they would.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Think, so they need the dough. I can't work out
what's going up and down the whole time.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (49:13):
But another one too, is I see quite regularly a
huge truck and trailer, very very well lit. It looks
like a Christmas tree, leave christ huge and take Red
south every day night morning.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (49:24):
The other one is very briefly Roliston, just south of
christ Hug Yes, where the West Coast Railway line turns
off to go Midland. Yes, and that's becoming a very
big city, your town that can expand extensively because there's
a lot of land around it.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Of the future as Norman kirk seed. But yeah, and
so I think the South Island will get bigger and
bigger and bigger, and hopefully it will become both both
are you know? I think there's there's huge advantages to both. Well,
to the South Island being a big population center.

Speaker 13 (49:56):
Well, the other thing is too, whether you know it
or not, the South Island is bigger in size. So
we've got the capacity to do it fifty eight OUs
a square mile compared to already six for them North.

Speaker 8 (50:07):
Yeah, yeah, we can do it.

Speaker 13 (50:10):
But they just got to sort it out the right way.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
But certainly no one wants the trucks on the road.
And that's why we've got so much problem with potholes
and all that obsession with the road fixing and poles.
Most of it's because they increased the weight that trucks
could be they've you.

Speaker 13 (50:26):
Know, my stuff should be on the roads in a
sixty ten track a piece of year. Yeah, okay, thank you.
Maga's have a good one.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Brilliant Graham. That's what we want to hear. Oh Wa
eight hundred and eighty. The bigger discussions interesting about gas
stations also that you won't go to borrow money for
gas stations because sunset industry. What's going to happen to
all the gas stations? And I kin't even think what

(50:58):
the answer to that will be. I suppose they'll become retail,
But I mean there's any future for retail about the
retailers for a while if we I mean that a
terrible twenty twenty four? What do I keep thinking it's
twenty twenty five anyway? So yes, I don't know if
retail's picked up with these three weeks before Christmas, well
these two weeks before Christmas, that might be something that

(51:19):
we can talk about that's interesting as well. And stickers
to put your car if you're a bad parker, wouldn't
be bad I if for someone just make them locally.
There's no probably reason you can't make your own sticker
to say you're a bad packer, but those reversing cameras,
they are a godsend. Honestly, I can park with such
a clay, a clear a clay anyway, tremendous. It's a

(51:45):
refine line to doing a bad park and a good park.
I guess it's all the psychology and the self belief.
But do get in touched. You want to talk Marcus
till twelve or so talking about the fairies. It was
gonna announcement in the year, and the year has gone
and the announcement has been in the announcement well basically
the announcement today was there is no announcement. So you

(52:10):
wonder why they talked about that announcement when you've got
a wonder with politics if they're trying to cover up
something else. But why would you announce something and then
fail to announce it. It's kind of weird. It will
be much discussed. There was no costs, there's no contract

(52:32):
for a ferry, no likely size, no likely model, just
a target date of five years, which would be twenty
twenty nine, which would mean that this government would be
at the end of their second term if they get

(52:54):
the second term. Kicking the can down the road. But
do get in touch. You want to talk Marcus Tom
but eight hundred and eighty, there's something different you want
to talk about. Feel free to cup through. I don't
kind of know. I've thought a lot about today about
the greyhounds, and yeah, when how do we end an

(53:19):
industry that involves the breeding of animals, because I mean,
maybe they needed to do it a more gradual in
but there's just going to prolong the misery. I guess
there's probably no blueprint for doing that, you know. I

(53:44):
enjoyed the old one of the racing writers and the
Herald writing about that today. I thought it was pretty
interesting when he had to say pretty brutal. Anyway, even
the New Zealand the Herald has some fairy flop into

(54:05):
island of ferry replacements. Government revealed it still hasn't sorted
its ships out for cook straight so you hasn't spun
that well, It says the governments inviting the private sector
middle turn of proposals for a ferry service in case

(54:26):
there's a better idea floating around. Finance Minister Nicholas maintained
she has delivered, but this is probably not what most
people had in mind. She'd be looking forward to Christmas.
Get in touch, Marcus till twelve oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty m Marcus, I reckon the same yard

(54:51):
that has contracted to build Iraq ships have negotiated deal
shortening the ships and maybe toyotaized the Finnish SPEC's Shane, Marcus,
Harrish and Schmidt and Eusuene soon. And that's right. They
were the last men to walk on the moon, Marcus.
The four thousand a year may well mostly be pet

(55:13):
babies that have reached their limit. Good point, Marcus. They
should start desexting female greyhounds. And now what's also interesting
is how much money the race courses are going to
miss out on because of the rates or the rent
they charged the greyhound clubs. Now Winston is the Minister

(55:34):
of Rail. Is he in charge of work being done
for light rail and Orcand do you mean light rail?
Do you mean passenger rail and the n sed loop?
Because I think they kicked light rail for Touch. That's
not happening anymore, is my understanding there. But did we
already have a Minister of rail? That was a surprising
thing for me because I always thought we already he

(55:55):
was already that and now they've just been in that.
But yeah, I mean, we've got a Minister of Railways,
haven't we He was appointed that, That's the bit I
didn't really understand. I appointed that in December between twenty
four So why has that just happened. Of course they're

(56:21):
the Minister of Railways before that. Maybe not. Maybe it's
a portfolio that was let slide Minister of Railways. The
last one was Philip Burden. Anyway, I'm glad. God is
a Wikipedia a good thing? Marcus. Why don't they use

(56:43):
the now closed Forbury Park race Course as a tiny
house enclave, utilizing the space and helping out South and
End community, Marcus, backing up the cost of ferry service,
we have plenty of money being chewed up by our
so called navy as well. Where all at sea, Marcus,

(57:05):
Littleton Harbor's a maring century and there are less than
one million people in the South Island. Rail can't compete
with trucks over such short distances. Despite the romance of rail.
Overnight delivery by truck would be days, possibly a week
by rail, with trucks transporting the goods to and from
rail at each end. Peter Marcus. The only three reasons

(57:27):
why I go to a petrol station petrol, diesel, and
air for tires. So Canevulus does recommend a good brand
for air pumps. Yeah, but never thought would see the
end of petrol stations. And this I guess that's something.

(57:47):
I mean, I guess as we, you know, give up
on petrol. I mean, okay, And that's a debate in itself,
and it might be gradual, but ultimately will be a thing.
And then what happens to the gas stations, all those
corner sites, they might become churches Jerriot's Marcus, Welcome.

Speaker 20 (58:06):
Good evening, Marcus. I I I was living in Blenham,
uh sorry, Pickton when they were planning to build the
Fairies over there about four years ago, and and in
order to do that, they they actually demolished some theaters
there that that were in the way of the ferry,

(58:30):
the new ferry terminal. So those that theater that I
went attended there, that's all gone now and it's totally demolished.
And then they started to rebuild that whole facility there,
and then of course the labor government moved out.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Are you talking about Blenham or Picton.

Speaker 8 (58:51):
Picton.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Sorry, yeah, yeah, sorry, I thought you're talking about the
Clifford By thing there for a while. It's okay, that's right.

Speaker 16 (58:56):
Is.

Speaker 20 (58:58):
So? So the whole, the whole, the whole idea was
that the new Fairies would be built on that year
next to the old movie theaters, but they're gone now.
And then of course it was all stalled because it
was too highly priced.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah, they thought that. I mean, the theories were a
fixed contract for five point fifty million, but the two
terminals each end had blown out on the cost, and
that's why the whole contract was canceled.

Speaker 20 (59:31):
So if you had told me that four years ago,
I don't think I would have even believed it. But
I'm just astounded by how the different proportions of the
dimensions of the whole scenario have taken place. And so
now here we are in twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five, almost,

(59:53):
you know, with that whole new pier in Picton.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah. I think there was all sorts of difficult, complicated
seismic considerations that had to be put in. I think,
you know, came a very very expensive and complicated build.

Speaker 8 (01:00:11):
Yep.

Speaker 20 (01:00:12):
And I know this is going to sound a little
bit slightly ridiculous. What would you think of somebody building
a ferry that would resemble Noise Arc and it would
go between Pickton and Wellington.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
And what would be the advantage of that, Uh, just
a little.

Speaker 20 (01:00:32):
Bit of Uh, I don't know, a little bit of
security that the boats, sorry, the trucks and the or
the cargo could go in the bottom of the ferry
of the Norse Arc and then the passengers can sit
on top.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Well, I think that's pretty much how they are.

Speaker 20 (01:00:51):
That's right, You're right, that'd.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Be my take on it, Jerry, thank you. Is it
twist of those three calls that were so keen on
the privatization of all of it? I think with such
a vital link, you know, on such a risky part
of water, Yeah, I'm not sure about that, but people
sing it talk about the Blue Bridge's success and their

(01:01:19):
viability on that sense. But yeah, I don't know if
there were two private contract is how that would work.
You might want to discuss that as well. But it's
an incredibly important and dangerous part of water, that strategic link.
So yeah, I want to keep talking about that eight

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hundred and eighty ten eighty. I think it's the way,
everyone's got an opinion on it, but more so probably
in the South Island because we rely on it so
much and we're actually on it often. Anyway, do get
in touch. My name's Marcus Hittel twelve oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty and nine two nine two to text.

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I think also too, someone set with some reports to
that roll on roll off for two thirds of lives
lost at sea were extents of roll on roll of,
so they're particularly dangerous form of vessel. So yeah, you

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might want to talk about that also, Marcus, Fraudbury Park
should become a stormwater swale. It was originally a swamp.
Nicola Willis has delivered nothing but talk what a hero,
so they think that's a good thing. Marcus, what do

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you think of the New York Assays had been hailed
a hero in the eyes of his fellow Americans for
what he did. Wow, I don't think it's impossible. I
don't think it's possib for anyone to think about that
in New Zealand because we haven't experienced the brutality of healthcare.
Some of those reports about that, and people in America,
like there was someone I heard on the radio with
a newborn baby that needed urgent brain surgery, and she

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was stuck in hospital for two weeks while she fought
with the medical insurance company to provide the ambulance to
transfer the baby to the hospital who needed the urgent surgery.
I mean, goodness, gracious me, I mean that's look. Some
of the comments probably were ill timed and advised, but

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it did certainly give us a sentences in that we're very,
very lucky that we have a free healthcare system and
are not reliant on medical insurance, and long may that last,
although at times one can't help but think that they

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are readying for more privatization of that. Marcus, there has
been two years of a pandemic of unwanted dogs. Oh,
this is a long text about dogs, Marcus, there has
been two years of a pandemic if one wanted dogs.
The reason is because people are not required to dessect

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their dogs. There is a huge shortage of vets. Desexing
your dog is very expensive. A lot of families who
love their dots can't afford it. There are some dissexing programs,
but not enough. You then get your backyard breeders who
breed for money, and they can't sell them. They dump
in parks. You get those who think their dogs need
to have a litter, which is stooped thinking, poor education

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on dog ownership. Some people, if their dog goes to
the pound, then they don't get them out and just
get another. That poor pup dog is euthanized due to
the lack of room and lack of homes. New Zealand
animal welfare laws need to improve tenfold. It's just not
good enough. Humans need to be registered as well as

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the dogs. Yep, more of an admin, but people need
to be accountable. All dogs should be to six unless
you're a registered ethics breeder or a farmer. People these
days don't care for their animals that they used to.
Rescues are completely overrun without any rispitee inside sight. Rescues

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are completely overrun without any respite in sight. It's awful
and we rescues are exhausted. I don't know how they
will rehome that many greyhounds. It's hard enough to rehome
cute puppies, too many dogs, not enough homes. SPCA is financed,
we independent rescues aren't, and quite frankly, we are pushing

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poop up home in the rain we are losing the
battle and its art breaking. Susie ten years in puppy rescue. Susie,
thank you so much for that. I don't think I've
ever seen such a well considered text. I had no idea,
but that explains it all very well. I think the
key sentence to that is all dogs should be desexed

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unless you are a registered ethics breeder, ethical breeder or
a farmer. And people are saying too that some owners
think that dogs need to have a litter of pups.
I guess they think that's because that's their biological urge
or something. They need to have. Progeny dogs, pet rescues,

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the fairies, all sorts of other stuff. Get in touch
with you on a talk kettle twelve as I say,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nineteen nine to text,
Clarence was the Courtney was the dog. I was thinking
of the John Birmingham book, fantastic book about a rescue dog.

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Scott Marcus.

Speaker 17 (01:06:57):
Welcome, Hey Marcus, calling to talk about the shooter who
did World of labeled a hero which someone seems to
take exception too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Yeah, sure, I think I don't know. Some had some
had from what my text was the most of the
most of the online stuff. I sort of think for
people saying not no, you know, people are asking for
sympathy for the person that was shot. I saving my
sympathy for my mother who died painfully over thirty years

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because she got turned down with her medical for her
medical insurance. That seemed to be the sentiment to me
that that they were saying that this guy has died
from a criminal act, but also he oversaw a company
and they saw parallels to the criminal act of not
giving insurance to those people that had paid for it
or coverage.

Speaker 17 (01:07:49):
I mean, yeah, that's my sentiment exactly. Maybe I missed.

Speaker 14 (01:07:54):
I thought there was.

Speaker 17 (01:07:55):
Someone caught about fifteen minutes ago or some possibly someone
that you referenced that said, you know, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
A text and the text said I just read it out.
What time to come through?

Speaker 17 (01:08:12):
Maybe something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Yeah, it was about then too. What do you think
of the New York assessin being hailed a hero in
the eyes of his fellow Americans for what he did? Wow,
So that's what people If that's what the text.

Speaker 17 (01:08:24):
Was, it's the well from you or from the text door.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
No, it's the text door has said wow, wow exclamation.

Speaker 17 (01:08:32):
I mean, I think he's absolutely a hero, to be honest,
because well, I mean you've summed it up quite well.
But I mean, you know, the way these companies work,
and my understanding is that I think it's called United
Healthcare was the one that he was a CEO of,
and they are they seem to have the highest rates

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of denying care to anyone, you know, And these companies,
you know, which he has, you know, has quite a
strong hand and you know, literally kill. I mean, I
mean it's hard. It's hard to use the word kill
because it's I guess it comes down to what the
intent is legally or whatever. But they certainly contribute to

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you know, tens or hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths,
you know, by with it, you know, And I guess
it depends if you deny, sorry, if you would define killing,
you know, by the act of forcefully you know, like
like they shooter that he was out there, you know,
and it's heard he was a gun and shot someone.
But as you know, could you also say that someone
killed someone if they were you know, withhold cancer drugs

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or you know, insulin or whatever else that you know
that tens of thousands of people have died from from
insurance not providing healthcare.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Yeah, I think it also. I think the health the
health chief had also been done I think for insider
trading or is she dump or something which seemed to
be unethical also, and that was something that people kind
of were quick to rarey to to put. Yeah, it
was sued for alleged fraud and inside a legal trailer.
The trouble Scott is that if someone does a criminal actor,

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have a justice system to deliver consequences to them. In
America or all this is legal because it's all based
on medical insurance and if you return a profit, you're
seen as a hero to your shareholders.

Speaker 7 (01:10:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:10:23):
I mean the justicism isn't particularly just in all the
and all these things. I guess the it's interesting because
you know, he was caught yesterday after the tip off
at the McDonald's, and there's already been about six different
mug shots, you know, in different mug shots and pictures
of some in a cell. And you know, normally if
someone is courts, you know, you might you might get

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one mug shot really and there's that whereas this, you know,
there's been like a cavalcade of here's this guy in jail,
we got him, which I guess I don't know. To me,
seems like they're trying to control the narrative of we've
got this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
Look at him.

Speaker 17 (01:10:56):
He's in prison because he's a bad guy to try
and I guess, you know, have the narrative that you know,
just did something wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Is im prison because he assessed that someone with a
ghost gun. He downloaded a gun also with a three
D printer, so that was pretty interesting to me. Also,
so it was a plastic firearm that shot those nine
millimeter cartridges.

Speaker 17 (01:11:18):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure that they'll ever get
a conviction for him, because I think there is massive
sympathy for him across and I think this is one
of the few areas that Americans are really.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Are you saying, are you saying a jury is not
going to convict him when the evidence is so clear?

Speaker 17 (01:11:38):
I mean, I mean, well, I mean the ghost gun
thing I didn't know about, but you know how erratic
some American laws can be with the Second Amendment and
in terms of gun rates and stuff, I think that's
a whole kettle of fish. I hadn't even thought about.
But I think, but.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
There's no scot there's there's no doubt he's guilty, right, No, No.

Speaker 17 (01:11:58):
I'm not saying he's not guilty, but that but there
may be a plead of insanity or I mean, my
understand my understanding, and I know that I know there's
a lot of Chinese whispers out there, you know, and
no one knows the hundred percent story. But my understanding is,
you know that he had a believer his grandfather and
a nursing home. Who may have he had his grandfriend
in a nursing home. I believe was with how it's care.

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And also he has a the shooter has a what
do you call it? He had a debilitating back injury
which he couldn't you know, he was he's been the
night care for and I I guess the idea is
possibly that that constant pain and you know, not being
able to get medication or surgery or whatever for his

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back kind of you know, drove him to a point
of insanity. So there may be a you know, a
plea there for insanity. But I think I don't know that.
I mean, it's tod I mean, I mean, we've got,
you know, we've got to say he's innocent until proven guilty.
I mean, it's certainly it certainly seems that wait to everyone.
You know that he did shoot the guy and he

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left the manifesto and I'm not I'm not denying that.
But but at the same time, I think they may
have troubled a conviction.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Because because they won't get a jury. A jury, yeah, okay,
that's what you're thinking. The jury is not good. The
juries kind of have sympathy with him. Is that what
you think?

Speaker 17 (01:13:16):
Yeah, I think so. And I think if he's I mean,
if he's I mean, I think if there was a
good attorney, as they'd call it, who would take on
the case, you know, and say this guy needs defending.
He was obviously, you know, he was driven in saying
by the treatment his grandfather received or didn't receive in
same with him. And there may be a good insanity case,

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and I think that they'll have a I don't know,
I think there was. There's a lot of support for
this guy across both sides of the political landscape. Body
they call it across the two party system, which I
don't think, you know, anyone has seen for a long time,
because you know, everyone in America knows someone that's been
screwed over by health insurance. And that doesn't matter if
you live, you know, Democratic Republican, like everyone has suffered.

Speaker 14 (01:13:59):
From the system.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Okay, he's also received he has a defense lawyer who's
received no levels to cover try cost, so he'll get
good representation, I would think too, Scott, Thank you, Laurri.
It's Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 12 (01:14:12):
Yeah, Hi the Marcus.

Speaker 15 (01:14:13):
Hey.

Speaker 12 (01:14:13):
You know, I was thinking when I heard that story,
it's not exactly with some similarities. You've got a guy
who had a bad back injury, wasn't getting the right
treatment from the doctors, and they weren't giving him a
compensation certificate. In Australia in nineteen fifty five. This guy

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eventually he went wandering around the officers of about four
orthopedic surgeons and shot one after another and blew them
up and then blew them up the officers up with
pipe bombs. As I see, he killed because they were
the doctors were with patients, and he just wandered into

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the room, pulled out a revolver shot. The first one
wandered down might have been the same chambers a few
floors down, went into a here and the same again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Laurie, I have never the Brisbane medical massacre.

Speaker 7 (01:15:14):
Is that it?

Speaker 12 (01:15:15):
That's it?

Speaker 21 (01:15:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:15:16):
Yeah, uh And it was over a you know, he
was back injury. He obviously had a big grudge about
either the treatment of or the and then he wasn't
being getting a conversation certificate here and had a snatch

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and went around and one half the other.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
How many he kill?

Speaker 12 (01:15:41):
He killed too, seriously wounded another one and then scared
the fourth one of suffering from severe shock. And they
might have been because the guy actually then blew himself
up with pipe bombs as well. But arently, you know,
for you many or you know, even several decades after,
Brisbane was quite short of our orthopedic surgeons. I know

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that friend of mine and part North that used to
go and do relieving in Australia at times so full
and even north Peak e surch But it's sort of
it's sort of had a profound effect. But yeah, it's
obviously you know, paid on the guy's mind and felt
that the system was against him and just run them up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Oh you can see what it could do to your
mental health to have something that you can't get assistance
for and you know, feel that you'd been hard done
by by having that assistance denied. That would be a
form of torture.

Speaker 12 (01:16:36):
Yeah yeah, But yeah, this other guy, obviously he brewied,
and obviously the one in the States here, and he
sort of yeah, given up, got away from all his
friends and family for quite some time, and gradually built up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
But I was sort of wondering Laurie if he wanted
to be caught the fact they were sitting on the
Donalds with because if you know, you and I, if
we did it, we wouldn't write a manifesto, because that's
a proof of guilt, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:17:01):
I guess so, Yeah, I supposedly he was. They think
he modeled one of his behavior we be on the
or the other Bomber, Unibomber. He apparently had written reviews
about that book, and it was quite fascinated with that
whole story.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
But I think I think the UNI bombers, I don't
know what the Unibomber's beef was. I think he was
opposed to the future and technology.

Speaker 12 (01:17:28):
Yeah yeah, but you know, a real anarchist for the
great grudge against society.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Yeah, A maths genius Kazinski, That's right, that was his name.

Speaker 12 (01:17:36):
Yeah, I'm here, but but no, that Brisbane case was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Were you were you that? You were you there at
the time?

Speaker 12 (01:17:44):
No, no, I the guy that told me about it
was a sort of peddic running with running with a
FARMI you know, And he said he must have was
the younger guy he was filling in. You know, I
used to uh hilling over in Australia at times. And
he said, ye know, Bristboane was is still a big demand. Yeah,
they had never thorally filled the gap from the having

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all those guys taken out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Good. It'd be a good He'd be a good running
companion too. He could help you with your gate he did.

Speaker 12 (01:18:13):
No, he did. We We're forty forty years of free,
free consultations and even a few few court zone shots
cordizone shots when with when in style?

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Was he pro running himself with orthopedic guy? Yourself? Too
much running?

Speaker 7 (01:18:34):
He was pro?

Speaker 12 (01:18:35):
Oh you know he was running? Yeah, he's actually he's
I still go around for what he's having to use
a walker now basically, so I'm still running. Well. I
had got the last laugh on still running while he
was on a walker.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Nice to talk, Larry, Thank you for interesting, Dave Marcus.

Speaker 7 (01:18:52):
Welcome you, Marcus a year dogs. I think during COVID
many people were board had free times.

Speaker 8 (01:19:01):
So they've got good That's why. That's my understanding.

Speaker 7 (01:19:05):
Now extenuating circumstances for that shooter in America, because my
understanding was this health insurer would collect premiums but.

Speaker 15 (01:19:15):
Not pay out.

Speaker 7 (01:19:17):
And this joker had a bad back. He was living
with it for many years, and I think he became frustrated, annoyed,
and almost to the point of insanity, and.

Speaker 8 (01:19:27):
He took action.

Speaker 7 (01:19:28):
And I think this is recognized in America of the
typical health insurer, that they would collected and never pay out.

Speaker 8 (01:19:37):
Marcus.

Speaker 7 (01:19:38):
And this is why I say there is extenuating circumstances
in this case.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
And I hope I would imagine Dave, Yeah, there must
be in the States. Well, I don't know that there
would be. I wonder if there's some sort of insurance onwardsman,
if you can go to if you think your claim
has been unfairly neglected unde if that's the case, or
not very expensive.

Speaker 7 (01:20:02):
Apparently Marcus health ensured. You've got to really have you
want to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
I know that, But what if you've got any redress. Right,
If you don't get paid out and you want to.

Speaker 7 (01:20:14):
Yes, yes, And if you haven't, well you're a year
up the creek. Basically, you're left with the pain and
you've got to live with it. And this is what
I understand, you know what backbraind's like I've gone through
once or twice, just twenty. But if he's living with
it over a number of years and he's paid perhaps
I don't know how many, how much money and insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Now I can understand it, But you then can't You
then can't go and shoot someone.

Speaker 8 (01:20:39):
I agree.

Speaker 7 (01:20:40):
I agree with you one hundred percent. However, he was
probably led to the point of wils life's just not
worth by living. And as you're sitting to McDonald's yeah,
and even showing his face, well, why would he do that?
You know? Perhaps the camera. He almost wanted to be
caught and face up to it and put the story

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out there, which he seemed to have want to do
when he was being led into court room or into
the jailhouse. He wanted to have a say and put
his case out here, which I think it will get
out there and I think America will get behind the guy.
In my opinion, because he may have he may have

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thought along the lines of justice has served in his
case anyway, because he was frustrated that he's paid into
so many premiums perhaps and wasn't wasn't getting satisfaction. So
I don't know, that's just my understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
I reckon the ne boss might be walking from the
hotel to the conference.

Speaker 7 (01:21:41):
Well, yeah, that's right, and perhaps wearing a jacket that's
previous to bullets or other.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Projector I'll be buying the old dayl wellok for vests.
Thank you for that. My name is Marcus hid On Midnight. Welcome, greetings,
good evening, hit till twelve Marcus. What about the greyhound
bitches that are in pup at the moment? Sure, if
there are any is I'm not in the industry. But
then there's even more toy home. How many trainers it

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overseas to Australia. Are the likes that still do race greyhounds?
Even more questions? I don't know the answer. I'm sure
I'm not the only one questioning everything, very very very
very complicated. I think that we import a lot of
dogs from Australia, so they will go back. Whether Australia
want our dogs. I don't know. The only countries in

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the world that do greyhound racing are Ireland, England, Australia
and there's two remaining courses in the United States of America.
But tic tic tic tictick. Their days are almost numbered.
What I didn't hear from last night was people that
grew up in the North of England that can talk
about greyhound racing and its infancy there. Like in the

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ANDICAP cartoons Marcus the Greyhounds, all those who signed petitions
and have moaned and bitched about their treatment should feel
obligated to adopt at least one, if not too. From
the trainers, Jeez Rae going down well with Ray greyhound

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bus racing would be a popular tuner. That's from Glenn.
Trump might pardon Luigi for being a brother. Felon, we
even know one thing about Trump. You don't even know
what he's going to do. He's a human headline twenty
three to eleven, Good evening, Steve.

Speaker 18 (01:23:33):
Yes, these are working dogs. And now I had was
given a pig dog that had done his day pig hunting.
You could never ever trust him around children. Our greyhounds
are the same. There are working dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Hang on, Steve, I think I've got to challenge that
because I think they've very good with children.

Speaker 18 (01:23:58):
Well, I have a man here in Tims that he
takes his ease. She got whippets. Oh, he said, you
would never trust them around children. They're a working dog.
It's not it's not a puppy.

Speaker 15 (01:24:16):
It's not.

Speaker 18 (01:24:17):
They're not dogs for children. They've been going to be
very very hard to rehome them. Uh, you either export
them out to another country or you put the whole
lot down. That's unfortunate because they will not be the
quiet little puppy. They have to be worked, they have

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to be walked every day, and you certainly can't trust
them around around children little kids. They're not not like
an ordinary domestic puppy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
I don't know if we can take all the advice
from your mate. And with the whippet, yeah, because he.

Speaker 18 (01:24:59):
Would he said he would never trust it with little kids.
They're a working dog. They can be socialized. Well, they
should have been socialized, but you know, it's same with
farm dogs. It's a working dog. When they finished their

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life on the farm. There's very very few of them
are rehomed. They usually kept on the farm and they
spend the list of their life ahead on the farm.
You can't use them as little puppies, can't take them
in for little kids. There's a problem here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Are they going to raise the kids?

Speaker 18 (01:25:43):
Well, I don't know what they're going to do with
the kids. No, but yeah, it's a difference between a
working dog and a just a domestic puppy. They're a
completely different animal psychologically and physically. It would be very
difficult to retrain them. That's so, I see, And you're

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talking about names of dogs. You get a kennel name
and you have a racing name. It's the same with horses.
Of horses, they've got a stable name and they'll have
a racing names, even.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
They don't have them as pets.

Speaker 18 (01:26:28):
Okay, yeah, but yeah, there would be very difficult to rehome.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Okay, I'm looking. I'm looking at a book right, it's
called Greyhounds and Small Children. Yeah, children and dogs can
have great fun together.

Speaker 18 (01:26:53):
Oh okay, Oh greyhounds are.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Greyhounds are generally very tolerant of an appropriate handing. But
if you feel you'll be unable to prevent a young
child from jumping on your doors, will poke him in
the eye with a toy, then please wait until your
child is older for both your child and your dog safety.
By the age of five, most children can enjoy their
greyhounds companionship and even take them for a walk. Okay,

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it's could be another kitdler fish.

Speaker 18 (01:27:24):
Yeah, you know, I'll say this one is that he's
a racing one.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
You're a silly looking.

Speaker 18 (01:27:31):
Dog, yeah, funny looking dogs.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
How long did you get to your pig dog? There,
Steve O before that had to go.

Speaker 18 (01:27:38):
I had I had him for five years of his life.
He had a really good life with me, no trouble
at all. But I would never ever let trust him
do it with children. No, he could turn. Oh yeah,
he just said to be aware he had a muzzle on,

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and you just just had to be just a little
bit careful with especially small children. Look sort of six,
seven and eight year olds, you sort of you know,
they can move in three different directions at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Do you give any of them in the.

Speaker 18 (01:28:17):
No, but you always had that feeling that he could. Yeah, okay,
well so we just said to be very careful anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Thank you, Thank you, Steve. Some texts Steve is talking rubbish.
They're great with kids and laying around. Marcus, have a
great hunds a pet. It's a lovely dog, only a
but in one person. When the end of the property unannounced,
Ray thinks everyone that signed the petition should take two dogs.
We could track them down. How about that petition, he's

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your dog. It's only a bad look for the government.
They start having to euthanize, euthanase, euthanise them. Yes, Marcus
already of Peter's and has been well known for being
for racing. His only legacy will be the guy who
got rid and doomed thousands of greyhounds to death. Just

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petty politics, as is his way. He'll be long gone
next election, seemore happily taking his demographic of votes. People
want to discuss the difference between whipp it and a greyhound.
I don't know what that difference is. I think whippets
are a British dog too, are they, Marcus? Whipp It

(01:29:34):
totally different to greyhounds. Greyhounds are good with kids and
people's talking bollocks. Farm dogs and pig dogs most the same,
very good with people. Most pig dogs are real trustworthy. Wow, Marcus,
an ext racing dog, won't ever forget the thrill of
the chase. Better rabbit, a cat, a car, or a

(01:29:56):
small fluffy dog. New ons have to be extremely careful.
I thought they were quite calm down after they'd run
around for a couple of days and put them in
the garage. That according to Joe, my sister took on
a grayhound shared young kids. He was a beautiful dog,
and when my mother was in her last weeks of

(01:30:17):
her life, he stayed close by. Wow, like a vigil.
They make wonderful family pets. Goodness. I was gonna say
they should make a TV show, but no one watches
TV anymore. They could to make a TV show about

(01:30:39):
a family that about the rescue dogs like they did
with the commonial horses, follow them around. Meanwhile, in Ellerslie,
young Stephanie is taking Johnny the greyhound for his first walk.
Boom wouldn't mean like that, of course, cause I don't
chase cars. But that's what the person said. Be kind

(01:31:01):
of moving show as people, kind of the animals go.
It'd be good documentary the end of the end of street,
following it through, talking to the trainers, meeting the new owners.
Seeing it this suitable, Neil ats Marcus good evening.

Speaker 22 (01:31:17):
Good Evening, Marcus hired Inning good thinking Neil Good. It
just wanted to have a quick chat about greyhounds as pets.
My kids went to the greyhound sort of sanctuary up
on the Capitol Coast and picked up a X racing greyhound.

(01:31:37):
Checked it out. It was successful in its career. It
had come to the end of its racing life, and
it was the best pet for the children. It didn't
do anything. It literally slept for twenty three hours a day.
It got out of bed to eat. You could take
it for a walk. It would see cats, it would

(01:31:58):
see other animals, and it, honestly, it couldn't be bothered.
They'd take it to the dog park on the week
kends when they weren't at school, led it off the lead.
It would run around for ten minutes and then it'd
just come back and lean on them and then want
to go home and go back to sleep again. It
was It was a wonderful pet for the children.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
It's a great story. I didn't even know there was
this is there's there's a pict there's a greyhound? Century
is there?

Speaker 22 (01:32:28):
Yes, you can adopt a greyhound. It's up the Capitore Coast.
Somewhere near oh Tacky. Is it like a farm? No, no, no, no,
So it's it's almost like the SPCA, but but for greyhounds.
And you go along and you you scope out the
different greyhounds and they check out your home life and

(01:32:50):
whether you've got any other pets and and and that
sort of thing, and you're paying an adoption fee and
you almost your adopted greyhound.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
And how many were how many were there?

Speaker 22 (01:33:03):
Well it was it was done through my ex wife
and the children, but there was probably about half a dozen,
half a dozen there. And you know, you checked out
its racing pedigree, its racing name. I think off the
top of my head, I had maybe eleven races into
round about sixty seventy thousand dollars in prize money. It

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had come to the end of its racing life and
it was a beautiful pet. Unfortunately it did pass away
around about twelve to eighteen months ago. But it contracted cancer.
So it wasn't anything to do with racing. It was
just one of those things and whatever. But it just

(01:33:49):
slept for twenty three hours a day. It couldn't be
bothered doing anything. It had done its dash. When it
comes to running around running and earning money and it
was the most wonderful part for the children.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
It's a great story. Hey, here's something for me to
ask you. What's important They had a successful racing career
or was it insignificant?

Speaker 22 (01:34:10):
That was absolutely insignificant.

Speaker 16 (01:34:13):
It was.

Speaker 22 (01:34:13):
It was all to do with its temperament around the
children and how it behaved, and it was. I can't
stress it enough.

Speaker 4 (01:34:24):
It was.

Speaker 22 (01:34:25):
It was the most wonderful pet.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Right, Okay, it's a great story. Did they get another.

Speaker 22 (01:34:32):
They did get another dog as a replacement, but it
wasn't a Greyhound and it wasn't as good. No, No,
Diego was was was an absolute legend. Was was an
absolute legend.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Had a nice name too, Was it that name they
came up with a Diego?

Speaker 22 (01:34:48):
That was the name that was given to it by
the by the greyhound place. His racing name was stay
away Hado?

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Yeah, stay away? What hado Hado?

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:35:02):
I think it actually it might have come from Australia
to be personally honest.

Speaker 8 (01:35:06):
Yeah, brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Okay, I appreciate that. Now that's a good call for me.
Stay away hato.

Speaker 7 (01:35:12):
There we go?

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Oh wait and eight twelve past eleven it's all about
dogs and the fairies and anything else. And the guy
that shot the guy in America. Well, you can't tell
people how to feel. Learned that a long time ago.
People will feel what people feel. Some discussion about school

(01:35:35):
prize givings, Well they need to readji, don't they, chiefs.
But the kids don't enjoy them. They're board stupid and
the parents are board stupid. Everyone's bored stupid to a
primary school. It's all kind of pointless because not in
a primary school has done learning. It's all sorts of
other stuff. So they struggle to find thing to give
prizes for. You get a prize for turning up, You

(01:36:01):
get a prior, you know. And some people that need
probably encouragement to get encouraged. But it's kind of a
weird thing, terrible to sit for as a child. To
you remember how kind of we all remember our school
prize givings, don't we Anywayhod midnight manamers Marcus, Welcome thirteen

(01:36:21):
past eleven, Gary, good evening here.

Speaker 21 (01:36:24):
Again, mate. I just wanted to back up the last
call I had. I was part of a group that
owned a Graham was His name was Henry, but his
racing name was go Johnny Go. Yeah, he was named
after a guy, a real good friend of ours that

(01:36:45):
died of cancer. His name was John so it was
a fantastic guy. So we named log go Johnny Go.
He went about fourteen fifteen races, earned about seventy thousand
and state money. Now he's gone. I retired him a
sound and injury free. He went from a rehome in

(01:37:05):
kennel of my friends in christ Church and Wesmelton. He's
now on a farm and gore with some people who
have three kids at at age three, five and seven
and they absolutely love him.

Speaker 15 (01:37:18):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
So how many how he got three years racing?

Speaker 15 (01:37:22):
Did he?

Speaker 21 (01:37:22):
He was four and a half when I retired him.
He had a real bad accident when he raced Eddington
one time he hit the running rail and we will
be feared that he'd never race again. But my friends
and my friends and that who trained for us nursed
him back to full recovery. He won probably another teen
races and we found him. We found him at home

(01:37:45):
and gore on a fan with three kids and they
love him to bits.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Are most dogs male racing dogs?

Speaker 21 (01:37:54):
Oh no, you get a lot of butchers female dogs,
But also what the last caller said is correct, Marcus.
There are a heap of rehoming places in New Zealand.
There's four or five in the all five my friends
have one in the in West Meltour and there is

(01:38:16):
a couple more on christ Church and they make sensational pets.
My partner, my ex partner has has a dog that
she owned. She now has them as a pet and
she loves them the bits as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Hey, a couple of questions at you Grey, because you're
the person that I've got on line at the moment
for that money that it made seventy grand over those years.
What did that covered all it weekly fees?

Speaker 21 (01:38:40):
What we do Marcus? We paid seven and a half
thousand for him as a pup when he was three
months old. Yes, we go half and we go halves.
And the state money for the trainers, say for arguments,
say say hen one two thousand dollars in a race,
we get a thousand and the trainer gets a thousand.
Never you pay once and you never pay again. Yes,

(01:39:03):
it's not like horses where you pay training fees each month.
And as I said, we paid seven and a half
thousand and for him as a pup and we probably
we probably made fifteen twenty thousand out of him our syndicate,
and we had some fantastic fun.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
So you don't you pay each week for the food
and stuff trainer pays all that the.

Speaker 21 (01:39:23):
Trainer covers that you pay once when we bought the dog,
and then you never paid. You never paid.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Oh, this is interesting. So let's say it made seventy
grand and it costs seven grand for it, so over
its life it made it. Say it made sixty grand
and steaks. The trainer gets thirty grand. You guys get
thirty grand.

Speaker 21 (01:39:43):
And I have some fantastic photos of Henry, and I'm
really proud to say that he's now living living the life.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
Yeah, oh no, this is good. So go Johnny Go
was a good dog.

Speaker 21 (01:39:54):
He was a pastic dog. He made a Group one
final in New Zealand. Yep, and he said he was
a special friend, a special dog in a special bath.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Okay, and man to Mangary because it's all over anyway,
Can you better on your own dog?

Speaker 21 (01:40:08):
Yes, you can. Yet back to him a few talents.
A couple of times you paid over to dollars and
managed to get a few dollars. Yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Did you make a lot of money betting on go
Johnny Go?

Speaker 21 (01:40:21):
Unfortunately, sometimes I don't like to back my own dogs,
meant markets, because I've.

Speaker 8 (01:40:26):
Jink the Okay.

Speaker 21 (01:40:28):
Yeah, there's a lot of good stories at the Marcus, and.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Maybe maybe it's time to talk more about because I've
always been fascinated by it. It's only the last couple
of days I've found out more about, you know, just
about because there was another guy that rang last night.
He was paying two hundred a week, but his for
his training, for his dog and his upkeep. But you're not.
But the trainer's doing all of it with you. So
the dogs, the dogs living in the trainers, isn't it Sorry,

(01:40:53):
the dog lives with the trainer.

Speaker 21 (01:40:55):
Yes, yeah, it lives in the kennels. Most trainers are
fifty to fifty. So you do as you buy the
dog when he's a pat and then you and then
you never pay again.

Speaker 15 (01:41:04):
You know that?

Speaker 21 (01:41:06):
Say, you know, have you ever visited a rehoming kendle Marcus?

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
No, I haven't. I have been to the dog races.
I haven't been to I've been the dog racing and
the cargo.

Speaker 21 (01:41:19):
I challenge you, Marcus to have a real insight, go
to a rehoming kendle and wherever there is one closest
to you, and you will be amazed how much a
great job they do.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
So if say, go Johnny Go wasn't a good runner
right then then the trainer decided that the deal was over.
It's up to him is it to end there?

Speaker 21 (01:41:42):
What would happen is Marcus the dog would get rehomed.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
But I'm saying the trainer would think it's no longer
worth his while to train that dog that's not doing
so well.

Speaker 21 (01:41:52):
Yeah, he would go to he would go to a
rehome in kennel, or he would or they would find
him a home like we did for Henry.

Speaker 5 (01:42:00):
Was he good?

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Was Henry good from the get go or it take
a while to get used to it.

Speaker 21 (01:42:04):
Or he was one of he was one of one
of about eight in the litter and he was the
best of them. But all the litter one races, So
you know it was fantastic. As I said, Marcus, I
challenge you to go to a rehoming free home in Kenland.
See what a great job the industry is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Have you had other dogs, Yeah, I've got two.

Speaker 21 (01:42:28):
I actually got two pups at the moment, which I'm
eight months old, Marcus, which I'm very worried about because,
as I said, they're eight months older, what's going to
happen to them?

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
They might never race exactly.

Speaker 21 (01:42:41):
You know, I've I just I just paid six thousand
dollars out from the other days, So you know, what's
what's going to what's going to happen?

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Well, yeah, Winston's not going to give you that money bag.

Speaker 7 (01:42:51):
Is he.

Speaker 21 (01:42:52):
Well, it's funny you say that, Marcus, because I have
a meet I live in Urton and I have a
meeting with the local national MP in January, and my
exact question today was in what is going to happen
to my dog? And who is going to pay you
the game goes? So it'll be interesting to see what
sort of response to get in January.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
Who's the who you got? Who's the nationally in Penis.

Speaker 21 (01:43:16):
Jamie Meagher?

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he had, he had I'm up
and come and guy.

Speaker 21 (01:43:22):
Yeah yeah. So it'll be very interesting to see what
sort of response I get when I have my meeting
with them in January.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
What's your meeting for?

Speaker 21 (01:43:32):
Well, you go along and you get to get an outcome,
And my question is if the game goes under it
and pay for my dog.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
So your meeting has just happened since the announcement yesterday?

Speaker 21 (01:43:47):
Well I found I got a meeting today.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Okay, okay, well you know you should. How come you
got to wait till January?

Speaker 21 (01:43:56):
Well, the parliaments goes into recession.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
But he's not taking four weeks leavers. He should be
doing local meetings a week after Christmas.

Speaker 21 (01:44:05):
Well, apparently the PA tells me that the fantastically busy.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
It's just you know what the we'll hang on. Well,
we're busy with our two dogs at six grand each,
you know, you know, yeah, I.

Speaker 21 (01:44:22):
Mean I'm an I only part time, Marcus. So we
came out in their spootin and six thousand dollars. There
is a weay bit of money to shell that. So,
you know, it be interesting to see what sort of
response I get.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Anyone talked about the dogs going underground.

Speaker 21 (01:44:38):
They won't happen, Marcus's that's just that's just fantasy. Then
there's no way they'll go underground, So people.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Would they wouldn't be a legal beating of anything. So
do you believe it's so?

Speaker 20 (01:44:48):
Gary?

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
If you wanted to get me get a front up.
You reckons it's over. I reckon it's over.

Speaker 21 (01:44:52):
A I don't know. I mean, I don't know what's
going to happen, to be quite honest, Marcus, I think
there's a bit of a hidden agenda between Winston and
Entain Betting in New Zic. I think there's a there's
a massive payout coming to the industry.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
Gary. We can't say hidden agenda with Winston, but you
think there's something else that's going to happen.

Speaker 21 (01:45:16):
Right, I think there's a lot of I think there's
a lot of a lot of skullduggery going on.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Okay, we can't say, we can't say skullduggery.

Speaker 21 (01:45:25):
Well, what would you like me to start. I think
there's a lot of things that when we're not being
told put it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Yeah, Gary, I really appreciate out of all the dog
owners that I've spoken to, you seem to be the
one that just seems to be reopen and forthright, and
I appreciate you've answered all my questions.

Speaker 12 (01:45:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:45:43):
Well, as I said to you, Marcus, I challenge you
to go to a rehome in Kendal in New Zealand
and you will see, you will actually see what goes on,
and you will see the industry in a different light.
My best friends training greyhounds and they have a rehome
in Kennel and Cannbury. And it's from what the media
portray to what the general person knows is two different stories.

(01:46:07):
They do a fantastic job and they don't get the
credit they deserve. All they do is get running to
the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Nice to talk, Gary, good luck with your dogs. Just
looking at go Johnny goes surprise to offer it raced
one hundred and fourteen starts, but seem to race about
every three or four days. Julia Marcus evening. Welcome. Hi Julie, Hi,
how are you good? Julie?

Speaker 23 (01:46:30):
Yeah, no, I remember it was probably about four or
five years ago there that dogs were traveling up to
the North Island on the Fury and I think about
four or five of them at least were suffocated on
the way up there and didn't make it because it
was just so hot in the hole. They all died
of suffocation. Yeah, So that to me doesn't sound like

(01:46:56):
a good I know, I don't know who they were,
but I've known people that have have had great hands
and they certainly do make good peets and on the
Sunday market, and they have X racing dogs here and
you can go and find a bit more about them
and adopt them from there. I think they charge about
three hundred dollars in that stsexed, wormed, flea, vaccinated and microchipped.

(01:47:21):
And if I didn't have two dogs which are just mixed,
would say, just but mixed breed dogs, I would have
a greyhound and a.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Heartbeat, we still might be able to have one, because
I'd be around for a while. I think, yeah, but I.

Speaker 23 (01:47:35):
Could have character it people, I'd get one.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
It's are you sure they were greyhounds that were on
the inter Island ferry?

Speaker 23 (01:47:46):
Yep, definitely. I remember it well.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Because I'm reading the story in front of me now
and I think there were farm dogs and this there's
another owner of six dogs that died on fairy discharged
without conviction a young farmer, it says prosecutor of the
death of his dogs, and a fairy had been acting.

Speaker 23 (01:48:05):
So yeah, I would be probably at least ninety five
percent sure they were greyhounds. Anyway, I've just seen.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Yeah, I can't fair enough. IM just trying to look
because it's not a story. I remember that there were
dogs that. Oh yes, there might have been another instant
in twenty eighteen. Yeah, I big your pardon. You are right,
So yep, there's two stories there that I can see.
I'll do some more research into that, Stephen, Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 15 (01:48:40):
Oh, good evening, Marcus. Look, I was just we've been
concerned about the secrecy of Winston Peters and the price
that we bringing in paying for the interil of the fairies.
My opinion, if you're buying something, the price is really

(01:49:03):
what governs us. And if you can't afford it, who
don't buy it? But he is a very cagey sort
of a customer. I believe he's a lawyer in Silly Street.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
And did you say did you say Silly Street or
Silly Street.

Speaker 15 (01:49:24):
Or Silly Street out in the public.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
Yeah, I think it. One knows he's a lawyer. But
he's been in Parliament about forty fifty years Stephen. But yeah,
there's been no decision on what they haven't even found
the faeries are going to buy yet, so there's been
no talk of price or budget.

Speaker 15 (01:49:38):
Oh I didn't realize that. I thought he knew. But
no want to admit it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
No, I don't think so. I think they're just working
on how much to go into spend up to nine
hundred thousand now, although David Seymour came up quite quick
and said it's going to be one point five billion, Louise.
It's Marcus. Welcome, Hi Marcus.

Speaker 18 (01:49:57):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Good thing you, Louise.

Speaker 24 (01:50:00):
And it was interesting listening to Gary. I thought, so,
I have very little sympathy for him because the writing
has been on the wall. These Greyhound people have just
not heeded it. They've they've hit the head in the sand.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Well, hang on and defense for them, Louise. They did
improve the numbers in their sport quite a lot. The
number of deaths dropped very dramatically, and they did develop
that straight line course and fong anui. So they they
were under the under the impression if they cleaned up
the industry it would survive.

Speaker 24 (01:50:36):
So you know, I have a certain it's a dying
ect that they've got to get with it. This sort
of just sort of carry on about using animals for
entertainment like that. It's medieval now in a lot of
people's minds.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Young people know, Okay, I don't enough I don't entirely disagree. Right,
what about horse racing.

Speaker 24 (01:51:03):
I'll get rid of that Telesi pot and that will go.

Speaker 8 (01:51:06):
That will go.

Speaker 24 (01:51:07):
You have a look at the numbers of people that
are deads are dying.

Speaker 8 (01:51:12):
It'll be a matter of time.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
I think, Louise Louise, Louise, Louise Louise, I think I agree.
I think I certainly agree. I think the racing industry
isn't unsustainable.

Speaker 24 (01:51:23):
It is completely It's just like it's just like performance
lo circuses have gone. People are waking up. It'll take it.
It will take a little while, but you know, next
generation might be going to horse racing. You you know,
your kids, your children's children won't be going to watch

(01:51:43):
the races. They'll probably be gone. It's a rich man's sport,
you know. It's Yeah, the world's turns. Things are changing.
Social media is changing it. The young generation they see
it for what it is and all these winging old
coots they've got to get with they've got to get
with the programs. People. Yeah, I don't know. I think

(01:52:06):
they dug your heels and I'm one hundred and fifty
percent please it's long over, durn good on you ont
Stmpeters puts his money where as mouth is. Yeah, I'm
sorry that people feel like that, but the writing was
on the water. If you're going to go and spend
twelve grand on two puppies, but yep, you've lost your money.
I'm sorry about that, but you should have thought about

(01:52:27):
that before you went and did it. I'm founding harsh.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
I know, Louise, it does seem surprising he spent that
money and having to work at Peck and save to
pay for his dogs.

Speaker 24 (01:52:36):
Heymart, Yeah, Camart, Yeah, that's the ignorance, that's the that's
the mentality of them. Oh no, they won't do it
to us. They refuse, they refuse to acknowledge it. But
hang on kind of like the writing.

Speaker 8 (01:52:50):
Was on the wall.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
And yeah, so I'm you're a good listener, are you?
We're not either good listeners. What's interesting for him right
in the way they're finding that's the way the finance
has worked.

Speaker 24 (01:53:08):
I'm listening, Marcus.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
Maybe these people right that buy the dogs they need
the income, because it seems as that was quite a
good way to make money.

Speaker 24 (01:53:20):
Well thirty grand, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Then for six grand and made thirty grand out of it.

Speaker 24 (01:53:30):
Yeah, that that annoys me too. That annoys me that
they're profiteering off animals and you know, the pain and
lived their lives in the kennel. This is all rubbish
that the trainers loved them everything else. They're just a commodity.
And I was I was quite unhappy about the fact
that he said, gone is it the rehoming? Gone is

(01:53:53):
it the rehoming, as if we haven't got enough animals
in New Zealand needing to be rehomed.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
Yeah, I think that's interesting. They will try and make
up because of the well, I guess they were all
just killing the dogs that werenney God. Therefore, they thought
the key to reform in the industry was through rehoming.
They've worked very hard on that and now there's going
to be three thousand dogs that people don't want when
al comes euthanizing four thousand a year anyway.

Speaker 24 (01:54:18):
So no, they'll be homed. Marn't my words. They're beautiful animals.
People will get on board. They're not. They're the sort
of dogs that people who wouldn't go to a pound
and get a cross breed SPCIA special. They'll get their homes.
New Zealanders will open their hearts up to them. They're
do cele gentle, lazy dogs that spend most of their

(01:54:40):
life on a couch. So you know, old missus brown
down the road or go and get one. They'll have
no trouble.

Speaker 15 (01:54:46):
There's been there's so much talk about it.

Speaker 21 (01:54:49):
People like going here.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
So people like a dog that does nothing?

Speaker 24 (01:54:54):
Oll I think yeah, I think, yeah, certainly. Otherwise they're
very gentle creatures by the sounds of it. And I
heard someone obviously woman last night.

Speaker 8 (01:55:03):
She rung up.

Speaker 24 (01:55:04):
Remember there was a youngest where she sounded younger when
I say, she might be about thirty sixteen. She was
saying that they they live on the couch. They're very
relaxt dog. Someone's just I don't think any trouble rehoming
them three thousand and a population of five million, not sweet,
no worries.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Someone's just takes it into their very good apartments.

Speaker 24 (01:55:27):
Yeah, they're the ideal dog really for you know, as
someone who wants a dog that's low in the g
low up keep. You know, just like hearing a senior
citizen living with you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
Yeah, wouldn't that be a joy. What about dog shows
and crufts and cat shows?

Speaker 24 (01:55:44):
Hate them?

Speaker 7 (01:55:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
Like you got you you don't miss around with the mountains.
So they go dog shows, go, get shows, go.

Speaker 24 (01:55:51):
They're all breeding, breeding, breeding, breeding to make money. It's
all it's, you know, they're exploiting it. I'm like you,
I don't like zoos at all either. Zoos should be
just there too. Maybe keep the species.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Going, Louise, I'm surprised how anty zoo I am because
I'm not someone that's emotional about animals. But I just
can't stay. And kids are always every time I go
the zoos, there's always someone hitting their children or stuff
like that. I haven't been for a long time, but
they're terrible places. Terrible.

Speaker 24 (01:56:22):
Yeah, they're gork gork gork. They're you know, the whole
idea of animals being here.

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
What about, Louise, what about animals as pets? Because that's
just there for our entertainment, isn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:56:36):
No, No, No, they're they're part of a family. They're
really entertainment, really family members.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
But that's not their nature because cats aren't given any
Cats leave if don't feed them, they're off down the road.
They've got no loyalty.

Speaker 24 (01:56:51):
No, but they're domesticated. You know, there's four hundreds thousands
of years of domestication.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
Isn't owning dogs exploitation for company and entertainment?

Speaker 24 (01:57:01):
No, no, no, no, it's a two ways thing. No dogs,
I mean that was the case. The dogs would so neat.

Speaker 22 (01:57:08):
You know, wasn't.

Speaker 21 (01:57:10):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
Yeah, I don't know if you've thought fully through about
pet ownership.

Speaker 24 (01:57:20):
Well yeah, well well this domestication there, you know it's
over again. Hundreds of years have been bred.

Speaker 8 (01:57:32):
To be pets.

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
Are are we denying the animals? They're basic rights?

Speaker 24 (01:57:40):
Not when they've been domesticated. I mean you can't you know,
you wouldn't want to You wouldn't want a wolf. But
I'll give it some thought, markers, I will give I'll give.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
That some thoughts to mister Kendle.

Speaker 24 (01:57:54):
They just moved in, probably worked about themselves. What's good
for them. Dogs have mastered.

Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
Cats, that's right. People love the people love a cat person.
They're nice to talk to. Louise, Louise, you other people's hero.
People have loved you. So go you go, you with
your stronger that's what you need. You should be hosting
The Damn Show.

Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
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