Full Show Podcast: 01 March 2025

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yet a baby human, for all our supposed advancements, is
born not knowing the difference between day and night. How
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many questions, so little sleep, But it is my pleasure

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to be to be with you this Saturday morning, and
we have a very big show on news Talks. He'd
be after ten o'clock this morning. We're going to be
catching up with austral Australian acting legend David Wynham. He
has been in all sorts of big name Hollywood blockbusters,
the likes of Lord of the Rings, Van Helsing Lion. Anyway,
he's in this amazing you really kind of heartfelt Australian

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comedy called Spit. That's the name of his character, Johnny Spittery.
So David Wenham's going to be with us after ten
to tell us a little bit about that before ten
o'clock this morning, if you're looking for a nice little
light breakfast just to round out some a mango chia
of putting recipe to share with you. Right now, it's
eight minutes past nine.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Check team.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
And as a sports fan, I suppose it was actually
a kind of genuinely meaningful moment. I was sitting there
right on the couch last night, seven twenty eight pm,
sleeping baby in my arms, remote in my hand, and
a decision to make. Do I watch Moana Pacifica play
the Highlanders, neither of which is my first choice team,

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but Super Rugby Super Rugby and it was a local
derby no less? Or do I switch channels and watch
the Phoenix play Melbourne City in the A League Again
not a result I was particularly invested in, or angst
thing over in any way, but a game that I
knew enough about to at least know it was being played.

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It's kind of ridiculous the extent to which our household
has been caught up in the Auckland FC ride. After
we attended the first couple of games this season and
absolutely loved it, my wife ended up splurging on memberships
for the rest of the season for me and our
eight year old boy. And it's funny from a live

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sport perspective, you know, being there in person, they just
seem to me to have absolutely nailed a couple of
the fundamentals. So for starters, there is a really really
good family atmosphere. It feels safe, it feels fun. They've
had various play areas for the kids, blow up football arenas,
a huge artificial beach behind one of the goals for

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the kids to make sand castles, and an enormous blow
up slide stretching the length of the Northern embankment sliding
down which on day one I very nearly lost my shorts.
Games kick off at five pm five pm. That means
you're home with the kids by eight pm at the
very latest. If it was a seven pm kickoff or
seven thirty wood as be is enthusiastic, probably not. I

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think two that one of the most underrated qualities in
the whole equation is the stadium. Now Warriors fans know
this well. Go Media Stadium. Mount Smart Stadium was a
sellout last weekend for the Auckland FC Phoenix derby. About
twenty seven thousand people were there. And the atmosphere was incredible.
And while most games don't get quite that many fans,

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it is always closer to full than to empty. You know,
you never get that feeling that you sometimes get in
big stadiums when it feels like you are watching the
game in the midst of a zombie apocalypse. I really
hope that sports administrators take note of this point. From
a fans perspective, it is so much better to watch

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live sport in a full, mid size stadium than to
watch it in an empty big stadium. Anyway, back to
my decision, my vote with the remote. In some ways
I reckon. The real measure of Auckland left C's success
this season is the stuff on the periphery, right, the
stuff that is bigger than the team. I'm not naive

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enough to think they're going to keep on winning forever.
And since the start of the A League season, our
boy has become utterly obsessed with football. He spends hours
now in the backyard practicing skills and accidentally kicking his
ball into the neighbor's swimming pool. He went and picked
up the Encyclopedia of Foo Ball from the library and

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makes me read to him as his bedtime story the
excruciating detail contained within. Last week, I had to read
a whole chapter on football pitch turf preparation techniques. He's eight.
He's eight, and I was sitting there reading to him.
He sat there, transfixed as I ran through a paragraph

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describing the drainage systems at Wembley. If I'm honest, though,
I've been affected too. At least I realized I have
last night, when, instead of picking the game I would
have picked to watch every Friday for the last twenty
nine years, the last thirty years since the inception of
Super Rugby, I switched from an exciting close game of

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Super Rugby to watch the A League live instead. And
I just wonder how many households in New Zealand might
be doing the same. Jack two tell you what. The
PostScript to it all, of course, is that I should
have stuck with the rugby, a much more, much much
closer game, much more exciting game of Super Rugbi mo
Onea Pacifica in the Highlanders than the Phoenix Melbourne City

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turned out to be. But never mind, never mind. In
these you know, in the moment you have to choose
which to watch live, and I made my choice anyway,
we'll get our Sportos thoughts on that very shortly. Next up,
Kevin Milon's going to kick us off for Saturday Mornings.
Right now, it's twelve minutes past night. I'm Jack Tavis
Saturday Morning and this is news Dog's edby a.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Little bit of way to kick off your weekend than
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Speaker 3 (06:40):
Jack totally agree with you. The aleague has been incredibly exciting.
Auckland FC have been astonishing in their run so far.
The real test will come when they start to lose.
Come on, we don't want to have that kind of
chat just yet. Jack, simple, the giraffe needs to run
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sixteen minutes past nine and Kevin Milne is a with
us this morning morning there Kevin.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
More in the jack. Well, that was very interesting.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
I'm I'm pleased you added that little piece on at
the end that said that the that the A League
actually that the match last night was not a great
one and the rugby the result was phenomenal. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, So here's the thing I did. I wasn't dishonest
to my thing. Well, I watched about the first twenty
minutes of the rugby and it was a very close game.
So that, I suppose speaks to my decision even more
right that I would turn away from a very close
and exciting game to watch the A League. But I
did then go back and watch the rugby, because you
know I did. But it was the question was what
I was going to watch live? That was the that

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was the dilemma, and it was. It was a thrilling game,
thrilling game between the One and PACIFICA and the Highlanders
on the North Shore last night. But Kevin, you have
discovered another exciting little entertainment option, another avenue of entertainment
this week.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
Yeah, during the week I got involved for the first
time in a live online art auction it's like trade
me on steroids, with people from all over the country,
all over the world maybe registering to bid. I was
keen on a Robin White screen print, a self portrait
from nineteen seventy nine, and I led the bidding for

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a few days. But of course it's not who leads
the bids days out that matters. It's the last half hour.
If the artworks on high demand, all hell breaks loose.
It's more exciting than the tally, even if you don't
have skin in the game. I bid a little bit
more than I had promised lender, but the bidding went
on well after I dropped out, and the print, one

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of forty that Robin White made in nineteen seventy nine,
sold above expectations for ten thousand dollars. But the star
of the auction and I wasn't involved in bidding on.
This was a painting that got a lot of publicity
last week. The Raven Turner oil painting that Split Ends

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used on the cover of their nineteen eighty Frenzy album.
It's a large painting with the original six members of
Spread Ends in front of a dilapidated farm shed alongside
a big mob of sheep, it's a great painting. Actually,
the auctioneers estimated it itself for between twelve and twenty
two thousand, and usually those estimates are pretty accurate. But

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the pop culture, of course, is a way of surprising everyone.
And the spread Ends painting sold for eighty thousand. You
might wonder does the artist, raevend Turner get anything out
of that? Up to this year she'd have got nothing.
But now on top of the buyer's premium, buyers had
charged another five percent of the sail figure, which goes

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back to the original artist. Is called the artist's resale
royalty scheme. So that's five grand or so back to
raevend Turner, I imagine, which I think is great. I do
wonder Jack, it's the new owner of the painting, isn't
one of the Thin brothers.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. It would be. It would be
asking to say it's someone who's not hasn't impacted too
much by the current economic and is it? Yeah, my goodness, recession?
What recession?

Speaker 6 (10:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:27):
That is amazing first of all, like superb that that
the artists are getting a bit of money. Don't you
think it must be so frustrating for artists seeing their
seeing their works kind of you know, fetch top dollar
and maybe not being able to share in some of that.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Second of all, do you know that when I proposed
to my wife, I bought her a little Robin white
print and an article? Oh did you there?

Speaker 4 (10:50):
You go?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Now, I can assure you it did not cost him
those dollars.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, no, no no. We absolutely love Robin White, and
so I got I got this beautiful little print from
when I don't know if you know Robin White's history,
but she lived in kedder Us for years, and so
I got to gott my wife a little print from
my wife also lived in kiddy Bus for it, and
so I got a little what Robin white print from
Kiddy Bush.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
I've got a little Robin white print from Bats on
the Wall and there.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
We got we're probably got the same one. We've probably
I've probably got number thirty two or forty and you've
got number thirty four or something.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Anyway, yeah, no, it's and it looks very disciplined of
you to pull out because because it can get a
little bit of dictive. That's wrong with the online auction state.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
You think, oh hell yeah, yeah, I could have I
could have. I loved your stayed in there with the
with that Robin white print. But no, no, I think
you've got to You've got to make a number that
you're at which point you've got to pull out.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Yeah, even it's a bit of either.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
Than the number you mentioned to your wife.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yes, somethings are not worth risking one's marriage. I think
very good. Hey, thank you, you have a great week
here given and we will catch again. So and thank
you for you're feedback this morning, Jack, Do not underestimate
the newborn child. They understand gravity to the extent that
if you play a video of something dropping and there's
no interest, but then reverse the video or show something rising,

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then it catches their attention and their pupils starlight, says Jeff.
Huh is that right? They actually did a test on
our baby. They did a test in the hospital where
they like the expert comes in and kind of dropped
them just from a very small, small height and then
caught him again to see if he had the kind
of startle reflex, and pleasingly he did. We wasn't I

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madgine them teaching that in med school, like, oh, this
is we're going to do the This is today's the
day when we teach you how to drop a baby
and catch it hopefully. Ninety two. Ninety two is the
number if you want to send us a message, we'll
get our Sportos thoughts on that amazing more onea pacificar
Highlanders game in a couple of minutes. Twenty one past.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Nine, Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
team on news talks'b.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Thank you for your feedback this morning, Jack, I totally
agree with you regarding different sized stadiums and you're lying
about big stadiums being empty versus mid sized stadiums having
more people. Even if you get five or ten thousand
people to a game in a big stadium, it feels
totally empty. You can feel the wind blowing through the place. Yeah,
this is the thing. There's just there's from an and

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it's not just like experiencing it live being in a
full mid sized stadium. It's the seeing it on TV
as well. Don't you think like it just looks like
the kind of atmosphere is so much, so much greater. Anyway,
we'll get to more of your feedback very shortly. Right
now is twenty five past nine, time to catch up
with our sporto Andrew Savel, Good morning, sir.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Morning Jack. You've done the heavy lifting for me already
this morning.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Orten Se play Adelaide United today at five.

Speaker 7 (13:51):
If they win that, I think the theory is they've
pretty much guaranteed to finish in first place.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Still seven or eight games to go.

Speaker 7 (14:01):
I suppose things can happen, but yeah, they'll have an
eleven point lead if they'd been Adelaide later today and
later and while they were in second position, they're near
the top of the table anyway. But you take your
point about the crowds. My understanding is the Auckland FC
owners are looking long term to build their own venue. Yeah, right,
and that would be about fifty it bespoke fifteen to

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twenty thousand, which would make sense. They'll fill it for
the local derby, and I suppose if the local derby
really continued to go off or they had a massive
playoff game, you could always shift to somewhere like Eten Park.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
But I think that's the theory long term.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah, which makes sense. I think, yeah, I just I
don't know. I just that from an atmosphere perspective, it
does seem so much greater. So anyway, last night I
made the call and I switched from Super Rugby to
the A League. Even though I didn't I didn't really
have skin in the game for either, you know, for
the results in either game. Super Rugby turned out to
be far more thrilling. But it was just it was, yeah,

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I kind of thought, yeah, yeah. I went back and
watched the watch the replay afterwards and it was amazing.
But yeah, it was yeah, yeah, I mean it was
kind of kind of thrilling finish in the n thirty
one twenty nine.

Speaker 7 (15:11):
And speaking of which, you would have seen the Phoenix
game in that stadium half maybe two thirds empty, which
is not a great look with those yellow seats anyway,
it always has been when there's when it's half empty,
but you're thirty one to twenty nine over Mowana. Amazing game, Jack,
if you ever needed to pay to go and watch
just two players play against each other, Ardie Savia and

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Timothy Thomas Thomas Nave for the Highlanders, known as Big
Gym his nickname, who's had a stunning start of the
Super Rugby campaign at second five. He's usually an outside back,
the irony being that he played for Mowana the last
couple of seasons and was a fairly philly good player,

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never really stood out in a major way, had a
great season for Tasman in NPC and now he's starring
for the Hehaners at twelve. But Ardie Savia are again
confirming why he was once World Rugby Player of the
Year and it's still one of the best players in
the world.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
There was a theory that one man can't change a
team or can't.

Speaker 7 (16:12):
Make a team going around with regards as shift to Milana.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
But I'll tell you what he can and has.

Speaker 7 (16:18):
He almost won that game for them last night, as
well as some cameos from from other players. Milwana actually
outscored Highland his five tries to four. But the issue
is switching off in games. There was a period there
near the end of the first half where they led
in three converted tries. Mowana, if they can get that

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out of the game, then they'll be a big threat.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
No, they absolutely will be. I mean they I thought
they were great last night and they're really Despite being
down early, that seemed not to be too much of
an issue for them.

Speaker 7 (16:47):
And like you're saying, the previous Mona teams might have
been completely blown out of the water last night, but
they stuck to their guns and they came back in
that second half and I thought they may have you know,
they went pretty close to snatching into the end, so
some positives there for Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Now, I don't know if you saw it or if
you just saw the replay, but Liam Lawson's spinning in
Bahrain had had my stomach with in my.

Speaker 7 (17:12):
Mouth, not totally surprising. Luckily he kept it on the
track pretty much, finishing around seventh eighth in testing across
the last few days in bah Rain. He's eight or
nine tenths off the big guns, if not a second off,
so he will obviously need to improve and stick really

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close to maxa Stappen's qualifying times and results. That's what
Red Bull want. But let's give him a little bit
of time because it was his first full sessions in
the number one red ball car. Melbourne in a couple
of weeks will be the big, big test. But I
would imagine if he didn't realize the pressure is on

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him to perform already, it was certainly.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Now yeah, yeah, I think so too. And the Warriors
playing in Vegas.

Speaker 7 (18:02):
Yeah, opening game tomorrow, full competition game in Vegas.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Looking forward to this. It's the Canberra Raiders.

Speaker 7 (18:08):
Look, it's it's a good exhibition. It's been a good
exhibition promotion the last few years. It's good that it's
a full competition game. It adds a little bit of spice.
But I don't think rugby league like rugby union, will
ever take off in America no matter what they do.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Jack, how can I Yeah? I think so? Hey, can
I throw pop quiz at your sev Yes? If I say, ah,
the Serenity? What film do you think think I'm thinking of?
Ah the Serenity?

Speaker 7 (18:41):
Come on, sav I remember George Costanza's father putting his
hand up and going Serenity.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Now, what about We're going to Barney Done, We're going
to Barney Don.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
You got castle? You got it?

Speaker 3 (18:56):
The Castle? Yeah? Anyway, the reason I'm the reason I'm
raising it is because I don't know, I just reckon.
The Aussies have a real way with making kind of
character like they've got a real thing.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
You know you think about the Castle right, there's no
whiz bang stuff. There's nothing flash about it. There's no
special effects or car chases or anything. It's just a
great story with great.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Carric and those names and sayings have lived on.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
For yeah, of course, of course, And anyway, I reckon
there's a few you can throw in this. You've got
the Castle, You Got Kenny, which was the one with
the guy who was the Porterloo contractor saw that film. Anyway,
there's a new Australian comedy that I think is kind
of entering the same same sort of domain. It's called
Spit and we're going to be taking a close look

(19:41):
at it after ten this morning, our feature in David Lenham,
who's the star of Spits, so very much looking forward
to that. Thank you sir, We will catch you again soon.
Andrews savel Our Sporto this morning, Colter Jet, Good morning.
We went to the AFC game last weekend. Like you say,
it was fantastic, so good to see so many young
families in attendance. The atmosphere was amazing. I agree that
people behind the scenes have absolutely nailed it and looked
forward to catching another match. Livenet two ninety two is

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message this morning, Jack Newsporks headb dot co dot MZ.
Before ten o'clock. Got that mango chia pudding recipe for
you if you're looking for a nice little light breakfast option.
Next up your film picks for this weekend New storksbu

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with Jack Tame through the mid day. I'll tell you
what extraordinary scenes in the White House this morning President
Trump and Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelenski have basically just ended
up in a shouting match in front of the world's media,
like just unbelievable. Right, So, Trump of course has been

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putting putting pressure on the Ukrainians, well, hasn't even been
really involving the Ukrainians, but has been talking to Russian
President Vladimir of Russian Rus has been speaking to the
Russian president Letim be Putin regarding a ceasefire in Ukraine
and some sort of end to the war. Anyway, the
lot of me, Zelenski has been visiting the US. He

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hasn't been happy that he hasn't been involved in the
talks so far. And in the end, Trump said, you're
either going to make a deal or we're out. You're
gambling with the lives of millions of people. You're gambling
with World War three. What you're doing is very disrespectful
to this country. He effectively kicked Zelenski out of the
White House. They were planning to have a dinner previously.

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In the end, they didn't have a dinner, they didn't
have anything. Zelensky left in a huff and Trump said,
you can come back if you're willing to talk peace.
Until then, I don't want to hear from you. But
just amazing, like really incredible to see two world leaders
of that kind of stature facing off in the White
House like that. If you want to see the video,
it's up at enzidherld dot co dot nz right now.
It is unlike anything you've seen before. I know we

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say that a lot with Donald Trump, but it really
is unlike anything you've seen before. So urge you have
a look at that right now. It's twenty four to
ten on News Talks dB. Our film review of Francesca
Rudkin is here with us this morning. Killed a good morning,
Good morning Jack. Okay, speaking of highdrama to do films,
both of which are showing at cinemas at the moment

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for us this morning. So first of all, let's have
a little bit of a listen. This is the trailer
for Bird who are you stand your business?

Speaker 2 (22:37):
He is distorting it? Aren't you thinking? Girls things to herself?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Okay, that's bird sounds interesting. Tell us about it, Francisco.

Speaker 8 (22:51):
Well, I wasn't actually sure we'd be able to get
a trailer out of this film, because this is a
very raw, hard hitting film about a teenage girl living
in poverty, surrounded by drugs and violence. She's got some
well meaning but absolutely useless parents, and she lives in Rundown, Kent,
And there is an awful lot of colorful language and
things in this film, and that's why I was wondering
whether we'd be able to get a trainer out of it.

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Nikea Adams plays the twelve year old Bailey. She is
a newcomer and she is just beautifully restrained in this
film and does an excellent job. It also stars Arry
Key Kegan Kiogan, who is excellent as her father Bug
as well. It very much starts out as a social
realist coming of age story. It's exploring identity and loneliness

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and belonging and also finding safety, this need for safety
in life. And we watch Bailey, who is already older
than her years and has seen more than a twelve
year old should ever see or deal with in life.
And we watch her as she deals with her father's
upcoming wedding, her mother's abusive boyfriend, and she's looking after

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various siblings and things as well. It's a really tough,
cruel world. And as she's dealing with all this, Bailey
meets this young man who heard the trailer. He's called
Bird and he's trying to find his roots in Kent.
He believes he was originally from Kent. He's trying to
find his parents and she helps him find his father.
And so for all that, the film has this very

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strong sense of social realism. Also what starts to appear
throughout this film is a touch of magical realism and
it adds a very moving and probably quite unexpected element
to the film, even if it doesn't quite come together
I think as well as it possibly could have. So look,
this is really challenging. Barry Kegan has been nominated for

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numerous awards for his performance, Andrea Arnold always presents us
with something really challenging and in your face. The dialect
is quite hard to get your hand head around. But
once again, just stunning performances, amazing slice of life and
you know, you walk out of the cinema maybe a
little perplexed, also kind of very moved by what you've seen.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah, okay, all right, it sounds interesting. So that is Bird.
It's showing at the movies right now. Another film showing
at the cinema. This is William Tell.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
God does along forgot?

Speaker 2 (25:22):
This is about our freedom, our fans.

Speaker 9 (25:27):
I leave them naked and trembling before me fight for us.

Speaker 10 (25:31):
We will do it as one.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Okay, that's William Tell.

Speaker 8 (25:39):
As you expect an ethical historical drama. This is a
story of the folklore hero who shot the apple from
his son's head, and I think that that's probably what
most of us will associate with William Tell. This film,
which has been adapted by the eighteen o six play
by Schiller, tries to kind of fill out the story
somewhat as to who William Tell might have been. There
are some changes to that play from eighteen o six.

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William Tell has been given a Muslim wife in this
film that we see a fly back. This is the
result of Tal's experiences in the Crusades, but he is
older now. He is living a very peaceful life as
a farmer and a Huntsman and the beautiful Swiss Alps.
We're in the fourteenth century here, Switzerland is under the
control of the Austrians, and what we have are a

(26:24):
couple of things going on here. We have sort of
a film about politics and power and land grabs, you know,
the Swiss sort of starting to decide that they're a
bit sick of being governed by the Austrians, who are
a cruel governors. And we also have this character of
William Tawler is a man who has experienced an awful
lot of violence in his life but now lives a

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peaceful life and doesn't really particularly want to get back
involved in a violent revolt or rebellion against the Austrians.
But he does, and his family is threatened and really
there is no going back. So we watch this internal
conflict between this man sort of really struggle with the
fact that he sees that all these different plans itslanda

(27:06):
ready to rise up, but does he really want to
step back into that world and be part of that
great cast. Klay's Bang, who is the Danish actor who
became internationally famous when he appeared in a film called
The Square, which won the Palm d'Or rw in two
thousand and seventeen. Maybe he's then been in Bad Sisters

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on Apple TV. He's been in The Northman with Nicole Kidman.
He's really good at playing baddies. He always plays the villain.
In this particular case, he's stepping up.

Speaker 11 (27:39):
As the hero.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
He's actually going to join me on the Sunday session
tomorrow after eleven and we're going to talk a little
bit about that, about what it's like to go from
always being the smartly nasty villain to suddenly being the hero.
And also stars Jonathan Price and Ben Kingsley, so really
great cast. Look, it's full of action and sweeping vistas,
villains and the rebels. It's quite far fetched, but it's
played very seriously. Yeah, and it's quite It's got a

(28:03):
few odd quirks. It's sort of Shakespearean dialoge thrown in
here as well. So writer director Nick Han has kind
of tried to create something a little bit original, but
I actually I think what he's trying to do is
create a historical epic that's kind of the equivalent of
the superhero film. And you do get the impression that
there is going to be a sequel. So yeah, it's
kind of good old fashioned, innocent fun when it to

(28:26):
you know, lots of action and things and a bit
of a sort of set in a historical setting.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
That sounds good, ye cool, Okay, that's William Tell. So
that's showing the cinemas at the moment, Francis, I put
sev Our Sporto on the I put a tough question
to him a couple of minutes ago, put him on
the spot with a bit of a trivia question, and
I'm not going to do the same to you, but
I am going to ask, by any chance, have you
seen the film Getting Square? It was a two thousand

(28:55):
and three Australian cult hit. But that's a long time, Yeah,
a film called Getting Square. David David David.

Speaker 8 (29:05):
Yeah, he's a fantastic.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
He is fantastic, But he is yeah, no, he is.
He's he's funny because he always plays like really like
quite serious characters and dramas, so he doesn't usually play
you know, it doesn't usually.

Speaker 8 (29:20):
No, No, he's got a new film coming.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Out, yes, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's with
us after ten this time. No no, no, no, no,
he's not that at all. But the reason I asked
is because his character in this films but is based
on a character in Getting Square from two thousand and three,
or it's not based on it, it is a character.
He was sort of like a little part character in
Getting Square. Getting Square ended up having a massive kind

(29:44):
of cult following, did really well in DV details and
that kind of thing, and his character was the sort
of fan favorite. And so anyway, they've turned that character
more than twenty years later into the main character, the
protagonist and the new feature. So anyway, after ten this morning,
he's going to be with us. But thank you so much.
We'll make sure those films are up on the News Talks.
He'd be website once again. Bird was Francisca's first pick

(30:04):
for this week and William Tell is her second pick.
Both of those showing in cinemas now right now, it
is just coming up to quarter to ten. You're with
Jack Tame on Newstalks.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
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Speaker 3 (30:24):
After ten o'clock on Newstalks EDB. If you can't be
bothered going out to the movies at the moment you
don't want to make it to the cinema. No dramas.
We're going to share with you our screen time picks.
So every week at about twenty past ten on News Talks,
edb Our screen time expert comes to us with her
top picks for watching shows or streaming at home. There
are several fantastic news shows she wants to recommend to us,

(30:48):
So she's gonna be with us after ten this morning
and we'll give us her picks for this week, including
the show called Toxic Town, which is like this really
kind of amazing looking new British drama. It's based on
like a true story and it follows the Corby toxic
waste case and those situations where you have all of
the toxic wastes discovered, there are all these adverse health effects.

(31:10):
They try and track down who's responsible and then hold
very powerful people and companies to account. So we'll tell
you about that after ten this morning. Thank you if
your feedback. Just watched the clip with Trump and Zolensky Jack,
Donald Trump gets in the poor guy's face, pointing and
over talking him. Trump seems like a spoilt kid getting
his own way, God help us all. Well, I'm sure

(31:32):
there will be plenty of people who think that Donald
Trump was perfectly you're perfectly justified in his behavior. But
it's certainly, certainly a pretty remarkable thing to see that
kind of exchange in the Oval Office. It was interesting
because you had jd. Vance, the Vice President, and Trump,
both of them kind of talking talking over Zelensky. I
think that's fair that they were speaking, and they were

(31:54):
had raised voices as they were speaking to Zelensky, so
he seemed to stay relatively calm. But Trump and jad
Vance accused him of being disrespectful and said, no, come on,
you know you're in the Oval Office. You have to
be respectful. Don't worry you know that, They said, you know,
that's not the kind of response we want here. Anyway,
we'll have more of more about that now news at

(32:15):
ten o'clock this morning. If you want to see the video,
I urge you to have a look at the video.
Go to newstalks ZEDB dot co dot nz right now
it is twelve minutes to ten you with Jack Tame.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
This is newstalk EDB giving you the inside scoop on
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news talks edb Jack.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Just like you, our family has been caught up in
the Auckland FC hype. I suppose the real test, as
you say, will come in the months or years ahead
when the team isn't quite as successful as they are now.
Very easy to get behind a winning team, but as
you say, the game day experience is remarkable, giving Rugby
a run for its money at the moment.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
I actually think my sense is that all kind of
live sport in New Zealand has kind of maybe I
could be wrong here, but has stepped up the game
a little bit of it in terms of its game
day experience. So a few weeks ago I went to
go and watch the Super Smash at the Outer Oval
at Eden Park and it was such a good experience
once again, like it was a just Auckland versus Wellington

(33:19):
Super Smash T twenty cricket. Some was out, it was
free to enter, you could come in, all the kids
got their game day programs, all those kinds of things.
They could go up and get autographs from the players.
The players were really really open to that and welcoming,
so I think, you know, our boy was going and
chasing around various black Caps who were playing before they
headed off to the champions trophy. Once again, just a

(33:39):
really good family kind of vibe. And as well as
the as well as the smaller or mid size stadiums
being key. I just wonder if, like the starting times,
it was also an important an important dynamic in this equation.
And with T twenty cricket, it wasn't a day night

(34:01):
or anything. We were just going for a day game
but kicked off in the afternoon. They had the men's
game and then the women's game straight afterwards. But you know,
like a five pm kickoff versus a seven pm kickoff
does make a big difference, doesn't it. So yeah, it's
going to be really interesting to see how other sports
administrators and other sports try and you know, respond to

(34:21):
the Auckland FC hype, and really interesting once the Warriors
are playing on home soil to compare how they kind of,
you know, how they can compare with Auckland FC. Now,
after ten o'clock this morning, we're going to catch up
with our tech spert in the US. It has been
a fascinating week of big announcements from the tech companies,
including one from Microsoft that just a couple of years

(34:42):
ago we could never have seen happen. Skype is about
to be discontinued. Skype is being switched off, It is
being shut down. And Skype's one of those amazing things
where it's kind of like it's kind of like Kleenex
or glad rap to. Skype became a verb as well
as a proper noun, right, Like that's how big Skype was.
It really was the kind of revolutionary video core technology. Well,

(35:08):
it turns out that Skype is no more. Microsoft is
deciding to pull all of its support for Skype and
put all of its chips behind Microsoft Teams instead. So
we're going to ask our texpert about that, what it'll
mean if you still use Skype and who could have
picked this just a couple of years ago, as well
as that Katie Perry is heading to Space of all places,

(35:29):
so he'll tell us exactly how that decision came about.
And then before midday today, we're going to share with
you some new music from the Kiwi duo Foley. They're
friends of the show Foley. We had them on a
wee while ago. Ash Wallace and Gabriel Evatt are their names.
They are a duo in they're based in Sydney now,
but they started in New Zealand and actually they met

(35:52):
at the kind of iconic event that so many New
Zealand musicians and New Zealand bands get their start out with. Yes,
they met at the iconic Smoke Free Rock Quest and
they started making music together under the band name Foley.
Their first album came back in twenty twenty three. It

(36:12):
was called Crowd Pleaser and it turned out to be
an extremely appropriate name because crowd Pleaser was very much
a crowd pleaser. It actually got them a few nominations
at the ALTA Or Music Awards. Now they have released
album number two, and we want to make sure that
we carve out a bit of space to have a
listened to that before mid Day to Day because it
does sound interesting and they've kind of headed in a

(36:35):
slightly different direction this time round. Ash and Gabriel Reckon.
They've kind of got a better grasp on their sound.
So their music reviewer has been listening to that. We're
going to listen to their album Never Feels Like Summer
or Never Feels Like Summer before mid day to day.
But have a listen to this. This is folly with
low and.

Speaker 6 (36:53):
Highever won't let you sleep on the co refuse you want.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
But you.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Take me and let the same recu.

Speaker 12 (37:22):
You take me, take me mesh no way too much.

Speaker 13 (37:40):
So play with the knife, baby so bad? Now over.

Speaker 12 (37:52):
You gotta you gotta, you got a piece of you know.

Speaker 6 (37:56):
I never, I never want you sleep on the go
refuse you.

Speaker 12 (38:06):
Take me and letty ristumes to you.

Speaker 13 (38:14):
You take me, you think, think, getting.

Speaker 12 (38:30):
Think refuge to anyone, but you.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
Take me alone and high left her away refuge too
well and you want but you take me a lot.

Speaker 13 (38:53):
Thinking.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
A cracking way to start your Saturday. Saturday Mornings with
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Speaker 2 (39:14):
News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Golden New Zealand. Good morning, Welcome to News Talks, d B.
I'm Jack Tame. David Wenham is Australian acting royalty. You'll
know him from the likes of Lord of the Rings,
Van Helsing and Lyon. But back in two thousand and three,
David played the hilarious side character and an Aussie film
that had a modest release but went on to be

(40:00):
an absolute cult classic. That film was called Gettin Square,
and his character Johnny Spitte, a goonish small town criminal,
is back in his very own spin off, which is
simply titled Spit.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
John Francis Spatieri, who lock him up? This is Australia.

Speaker 9 (40:20):
It's still a free country, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Mate? There's used a tragic case, mistaken identity.

Speaker 10 (40:29):
This is your driver's license.

Speaker 14 (40:32):
He's got squinty eyes. I don't have squinty eyes.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
You're under a restaurant. Why are you in jail.

Speaker 10 (40:39):
I'm going to get out of you.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I'm going to look over.

Speaker 8 (40:41):
Here, and a little one John Francis SCATTERII has been
located alive.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Disaster.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
John Francis SPITERII is played by David Wenham and David's
with us this morning killed a good morning.

Speaker 14 (40:54):
Good to be with you, Jack.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
It's so good to be speaking with you. Now, tell
me about your position with all of this. You have
worked in massive name Hollywood blockbusters, major franchises. What drew
you to Spet?

Speaker 14 (41:10):
Back to Spit because Speaker was a character that was
in a movie twenty three years ago or twenty two
years ago called Getting Square. None of us involved in
that film ever thought that we'd be revisiting that world again.
It was just it started from a conversation about eleven
years ago I had with a good friend of mine
who's a filmmaker, Robert Connolly, and we were talking about
the fact Robert's known me for a long time, the

(41:32):
fact that one of my strongest suits is comedy and
I never get the opportunity to exercise that very often.
And he brought up the character of Johnny's Pateria from
Getting Square, and I started a riff on a whole
heap of scenarios that you could drop Johnny in and
then you know, potential hilarity may ensue. And he said,
you know there's something in this. There's something in it.

(41:53):
So I rang Chris Nice, who wrote Getting Square, and
he said, well, your timing is interesting because he'd been
working on a film centered around spit with the director
Jonathan Taplitsky for some time, and he said, you want
me to send it over to I said, yeah, sure,
and I read it the very first draft about eleven
years ago. Ten eleven years ago, I thought was absolutely inspired.

(42:15):
Because none of us wanted to do Getting Square two.
There had to be a reason for Spit to come back,
and it had to be solid enough that, you know,
the audience would be completely engaged for ninety to one
hundred minutes, and he nailed it pretty much straight off
the bat, and then that obviously the hardest part then
was to get the film up and that's another story,

(42:37):
but we did and now it's finally reaching the cinema,
which is great.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
So what is it for people who haven't seen Getting Square?
What do you think it is about Johnny Spatiri's character
that made him such good fodder for a stand alone film.

Speaker 14 (42:51):
It's funny actually, because he's the most unlikely sort of
character in a way. For those who don't know the
original film Getting Square, it was a comedy crime caper,
and the character of Johnny's Batteria is a really he's
an outsider, you know's in Getting Square. He's a junkie.
He's a small time criminal with a lot of quirks
and idiosyncrasies. Christinized the writers said, you're not sure if

(43:15):
he's the dumbest person in the room or the smartest
person in the room, which is really quite interesting.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Because he's, sorry to interrupt, he's sort of he's sort
of he's sort of dumb in some respects, but incredibly
cunning as well.

Speaker 14 (43:28):
Yeah that's right, Yeah, that's right, yeah, street smart. And
the other thing about him is, and I think for both,
you know, Australians and New Zealanders, we champion the underdog,
and he certainly is the underdog. He's as Chris would
describe in the ride, he describes me as you know,
he's just a little bug trying to do his best.
And that character did endear himself to people, and you know,

(43:51):
a couple of decades later, I still about every second
day I have people coming up to me talking about
the character and quoting lines, specific lines.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
From that film.

Speaker 14 (44:00):
So and now you know, I've had the opportunity to
sit in cinemas during the last three weeks just we've
been doing one off screenings with questions and answer sessions
and to get here the absolute joy that people get
from seeing the return of Johnny's Batteria and people who
haven't even seen Johnny embracing this character and giving so much,

(44:23):
so much laughter. But with this film as well, it's
a good deal of poignancy as well, and people get
a little bit more than they than they they think
they're going to get in this There's there's added extras
in this film which has made it much more rich
for the audience.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yeah, I mean it takes on some as well as
being very funny and very entertaining, it takes on some,
you know, some pretty pressing social kind of issues. And
even even the scenario in which Spit finds himself you
said you needed to have a good reason to bring
him back, and I mean it's literally bringing him back
to Australia and dumping him an immigration detention center to

(45:00):
kick things off. I mean, this is these are these
are you know, topical subjects.

Speaker 14 (45:04):
They are they are you know, it isn't a political film.
It is out now the comedy. Having said that, though,
basically at the end of the film, it's a film.
It's a film full of hope. It's a film that
brings people together. It's a film that celebrates the best
in humanity. It celebrates community in a really funny way.

(45:25):
As you say, yes, does find himself in immigration detention
and the characters in those scenes are actually all real
refugees or they're offspring refugees. And the one thing that
they said, they said, oh my god, they love being
in the film so much for the very for the
major reason was that it was funny. It was a comedy.
They said, for the first time, we get to see ourselves,

(45:47):
but in a different way. We're not sort of just
painted with a very broad brushstroke at Oh, they're not
defined as refugees. They said, Look, we're the same as
everybody else. Some of us are really smart, some of
us aren't, and some of us are really stupid. And
it's a really great opportunity to show people that, you know,
we have a full range of characteristics just like everybody else.

(46:08):
But they love the fact that it was a comedy.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
So how does a production like this compere like this?
This is a like true Blue Feared Dico Mossie story.
How does a production like this compare to some of
those massive, big blockbusters that you've worked on. I mean,
presumably people are drawn to spit for the story rather
than the big bucks.

Speaker 14 (46:25):
Well, completely, we have there's a number of returning characters
to this film. But also what's interesting is the crew
and I don't I can't think of any film in
this part of the world that this has occurred with before.
We have the same writer, we have the same director,
we have the same cinematographer, head of design, head of makeup.
Like every key creative has come back because they want

(46:48):
to be part of this because it's really special. They
read the script and go, oh my god, this is
actually really unique. Tessna Toli, who did my hair and
makeup on the work with her. A number of times.
She turned down, as did other crew members, opportunities to
work on big budget American films, and she would have
done very well so she could work on this, and

(47:09):
our dates kept slipping, but didn't worry not, I'm going
to do it.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I'm going to do it.

Speaker 14 (47:14):
There was a love and a passion to tell stories
from our part of the world and the fact that
they are funny. We have you know, we haven't a
unique sense of humor down here, and yeah, it does
unite us. And there's nothing better than sitting in a
cinema that's full of you know, a whole heap of
people laughing as one.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
I don't know what it is. I think, you know,
I think about I think about some of those Australian
comedy cult classics from across the years, and there is
something about the Australian sense of humor, whether it's Kenny
or whether it's you know, the Kerigan family from the Castle. Yeah,
there's just something about Australian comedy that I think has

(47:54):
a certain kind of kind of magic that I mean,
I know that Kiwi audiences will will absolutely love. But
it's amazing. So it's a Getting Square was two thousand
and three, right, and that the environment into which that
released was profoundly different from the streaming era in which
we now live. And the thing about Getting Square was
that it did super well in the sort of VHS

(48:15):
DVD department, right, So I sort of got a cult
following through those sales. Do you think we can make
cult films anymore in this in this modern streaming age.

Speaker 14 (48:27):
Well, those pop films are things that people find over
time and that's why they become a cult. The thing
that we're adamant about with this is because of the
nature of the film as well. We wanted to we
want it to be successful at the cinema, just that
thing of being within your community and laughing together and
sharing it. I cannot tell you how amazing it's been

(48:49):
in all the screenings I've said in so far, and
the reaction from audiences afterwards. I'll be honest, I haven't
actually had that sort of feedback from any other film
that I've been.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
In and sad in.

Speaker 14 (49:02):
It's really it's really quite unique. It's affecting people on
a number of different levels. A The laughter is like
it is, Yeah, it's constant throughout and it gets bigger
towards the end, but just some of the thematic concerns
in there as well. It really touches people. And we've
had people really quite profoundly affected in the fact that

(49:25):
they find that this is an Australian film that really
does celebrate all the all the best of what we
can what we can actually be.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
There must be so rewarding to see that firsthand, especially
when you don't usually get that opportunity.

Speaker 14 (49:41):
It's I've got to say, it's extraordinary. It's like the
very first time we screened it. We screened it it
on the Gold Coast, which I refer to as the
spiritual homeland of Johnny Spatiri because that's where that's where
it comes from. And we screened it and afterwards I
did a question answer session. I talked about the wardrobe,
the fact that I source my wardrobe from a second

(50:04):
hand shop in the charity store in London, and I've
got this T shirt which said this black T shirt
that had in gold less as Egyptians do it better.
And as I said that, this woman just stood up
and said, yes, yes, we do, we do. It was
the whole audiences tore up and laughter, and then she
just paused and she said, I'm sorry. I'm just so

(50:26):
overwhelmed with this movie because finally I actually get to
see some of my people. We're Australians here, and for
the first time, I feel part of a community and
I can see some of my people on the screen.
And that has been consistent, not that it's you know,
as I said, there is no politics in the film.
It's just a comedy that brings people together, and that

(50:48):
reaction from different parts of the community has been consistent.
Speak and then going to tell a story about the
fact that which people quite enjoy.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Actually.

Speaker 14 (50:58):
I also bought a pair of jeans over there that
will look really really really really small, and I thought,
there's no way I'm going to get into those, but
the lady who was working the shop wasn't looking. So
I pulled down my dacks and tried to get into
these women's jeans, and I got into them and they
fit me perfectly, and I thought, oh my god, yes,
these are Johnny's bati's jeans. That looks as though they'd
been painted on t him. So I went up to

(51:19):
the counter and I put them down, and the lady
just paused, and she didn't say anything for quite some time,
and then finally she just looked up at me, sheepishly,
and she said, you do know their maternity jeans, don't you.

Speaker 15 (51:34):
Do?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
You know that was what's quisten for you? Was going
to be How on earth did you get into those genes?
I wonder if the costume department had had to sow
them on while you were standing out.

Speaker 14 (51:43):
Now, you know, there's certainly a lot of GIF in
those genes, especially around the belly ridge.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
I'm glad. I thought you might be having some sort
of a medical event trying to get yourself into those.

Speaker 14 (51:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, very difficult otherwise, Yes, I bought
those a year before we did the film, and yeah, yeah,
kept them. And because a year before the film, Jonathan Poplitski,
the director, lives in London, and we thought that we
just workshops bateria a little bit, so We put him
in the streets of London for one day and Jonathan
just ran after Spateri with an iPhone just capturing footage.

(52:15):
It's not in the film, and you know, one day
we might release some of it online, but it was.
It was so brilliant because I hadn't were worn as
we call them thongs and as you call them jandles,
I hadn't worn them in twenty two years. But as
soon as I put them back on, the character came
back pretty much instantly, and I felt the way that

(52:36):
Johnny walks and he moves, and his rhythms and his
paces and the way he spoke, and it was it
was such a creative joy to just rip him London
for one day, going riding on the tube with no
ticket and then busking with with people and going towards
Scotland Yard. And then we got kicked out of the

(52:58):
portrait gallery.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Rather why did get kicked out for filming?

Speaker 14 (53:02):
Or Jonathan was filming. Spateria was looking at a rather
big portrait of the queen and.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Oh god, yeah, looking at that whatever.

Speaker 14 (53:11):
And there was a lady with who had like a
large tour group of French lady and for some strange reasons.
She thought Jonathan was filming them, and Jonathan was saying,
I don't know why i'd be interested in have a
look at that guy there in front of the Queen,
and that's who I'm filming, but she didn't quite believe.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
It, so you, yeah, leave.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
I'm so glad you have gone to you know, to
such not extreme, but you know you you you have
gone to great lengths to bring this character back, and
I'm so glad you have because Spit is so much fun.
He is an amazing character. It's a wonderful moving story,
as you say, And David, congratulations to you and the team.

Speaker 14 (53:50):
It really is brilliant, fabulous and has been great chatting
with you.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Jack, thank you so much, really appreciate your time. You
take care and all that.

Speaker 14 (53:59):
Thanks mate, terrific cheerio.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
That is David Wynham. He is the star of Spit
and all the details are going to be on the news.
He'd be website before eleven o'clock this morning. Some really
useful practical tips on teaching kids about money. Our personal
finance expert has been debating with themselves whether or not
it is a good idea to give kids cash. Some

(54:21):
of the upsides are giving them cash and some of
the things you might want to keep in mind, and
also some really simple kind of parenting hacks that might
help to develop really good habits when it comes to
your kids and money. So we'll share those with you
very shortly. Next up, though, your screen time picks for
this weekend. Right now, it's twenty two minutes past ten
on us talks heedb.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Start your weekend off in style Saturday Mornings with Jack
Tain and bp it dot code ont inst for high
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Speaker 3 (54:49):
Oh Ben has just looked me at text to say, Jack,
take your kids shopping and let them help with the
grocery list and budget. It's the only way they're going
to learn. That's a very good piece of advice, actually been.
We're going to catch up with our personal finance expert
before eleven with her tips on helping your kids get
a grip and good relationship with money. Right now, though
it's twenty five minutes past ten, which means it's screen
time time on news Dog z'db in. Our screen time expert,

(55:12):
Tara Award is here with her three picks for this weekend.
More than a Tara Modena Jack. Okay, let's begin with
a new show streaming on Netflix based on a true story.
Tell us about Toxic Town.

Speaker 16 (55:25):
Yeah, if you watched mister Bates in the Post Office
last year and were outraged at that story about how
ordinary people were caught up in this shocking scandal, on
how they took the government, took the government on to
get justice, then Toxic Town is a new show in
a very similar kind of vein. It's shocking and heartbreaking,
and it's a story about ordinary people fighting back. It's

(55:46):
set in the nineteen nineties in the English town of Corby,
where some old steel works were being redeveloped and the
ground was contaminated. And as they redeveloped the site, the
practices were pretty sloppy and it was a bit of
a rush job to try and get the town back
on its feet, and the toxic waste ended up getting
into the community. And around the same time, babies in

(56:08):
the town were being born with physical disabilities, and the
mothers of those babies made the connection. Some of them
worked at the steelwork site, some of them had partners
who worked there, some lived nearby. They realized what was
going on and took on the council to prove that
there was negligence there and to prove that the officials
knew the soil was contaminated and that there had been

(56:28):
a cover up. Jodi Whittaker stars in this and she's
just fantastic. She plays one of the mothers who leads
this campaign, Robert Carlyle's and this as well Amy lou
Wood just such a really strong British cast and the
storytelling is really compelling. It's quite a complex story, but
they've told it in a very heartfelt, relatable way, one
that captures you right from the very opening scene. Really

(56:52):
strong performances in this, and such a shocking story, you
know you kind of can't look away from it, but
pet your tissues handy because it is quite emotional as well.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Okay, cool, Yeah, sounds amazing. So that's Toxic Town. That's
on Netflix, also on Netflix US. About the mission.

Speaker 16 (57:08):
This is a new Australian true crime documentary series and
it's one of those crimes that just makes for the
perfect true crime documentary. It's bizarre when you first look
at it, and then it just gets weirder and weirder
the more you drill down into it. This is about
an art heist that took place in the nineteen eighties
and the Western Australian Outback, when two guys turned up
at a Spanish monastery in the middle of nowhere and

(57:31):
stole twenty six artworks valued to be worth millions of dollars.
The thieves were real amateurs. They hired a getaway car
and they chose a gold Ford Falcon, which is not
the most inconspicuous car debian when you're committing a crime.
So the police were onto them pretty quickly and they
end up sort of unraveling this very strange crime, one

(57:53):
that raised a lot of questions like what were all
these valuable European masterpieces doing in a monastery in the
Australian bush and who was actually pulling all the strings
behind this crime. So the documentary to talk to the
people involved in the case, the detectives who who were
investigating it, the journalists who were covering it. There's so
many colorful characters in this. It's in a really intriguing

(58:17):
story and they've told it in a very watchable, dramatized way.
There's lots of twists and turns. But I think partly
because it was a crime done so badly that these
were such bad criminals. That's what makes it such a
fascinating one.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Great, Okay, this sounds really interesting. That's the mission. So
that's also on Netflix. And last, but not least, streaming
on Netflix. You guessed it, Running Point.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (58:39):
This is a new sports comedy created by Mindy Kayling.
It stars Kate Hudson and Justin Thurreau, and it's a
bit like a cross between ted Lasso and Succession. Kate
Hudson plays this reformed party girl who is unexpectedly put
in charge of her family's Los Angeles basketball team and

(58:59):
has to suddenly prove herself as this strong and capable
business woman and prove all the doubters wrong, from the
tea themselves, to the public, to her brothers who are
angling for the job themselves and really want.

Speaker 10 (59:12):
Her to fail.

Speaker 16 (59:13):
It's that classic fish out of water situation. Didn't feel
entirely new or original, and it doesn't have that same
kind of charm as ted Lasso, but I think that's
the vibe they're going for. It is still light and
easy to watch and does get better as it goes on.
It's one of those comedies that you can just kind
of put on have a lazy weekend on the couch,

(59:34):
put on relax into and not have to think too
hard about nice.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Okay, cool. That's Running Points, so that's on Netflix as well.
Those shows once again, Toxic Town, The Mission, and Running Point.
All of those will be up on the News Talks
He'd Be website. It has just gone ten thirty.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on News Talks edb.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
This is what got into you. It's by Foley. They've
got an album called That's Life Baby. That's the new
album from the kiwi duo based in Australia these days.
But yeah, this is cool, a kind of jazzy I'll
beat yeah fun. Anyway, We'll make sure that we carve
out a little bit of time so that we can
listen to to Folly's new album That's Life Baby after

(01:00:35):
eleven o'clock today as well as that our travel correspondent
is taking us too well a part of the country
that maybe doesn't get quite as much attention and tourism
as it deserves, the forgotten world. And that's like you're
kind in the king Country in the North Island. Anyway,
there's this amazing adventure you can go on where you
ride the rails of the Forgotten World on a special vehicle.

(01:00:58):
I'm not going to give you any more information than that,
other than to say it sounds like a whole lot
of me. So he's gonna be with us after eleven
o'clock to share his tips on traveling through the Forgotten
World and riding the rails through the king Country this morning.
Next up, we'll catch up with our Textbert ask why
Katie Perry, of all people is headed to space? Right now?
It's twenty five to eleven, putting the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Tough question to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (01:01:23):
The power business heading to another winter, price increases in
coal inflirtation. Energy Minister Simon Watson's with us, How worried
about winter are you?

Speaker 18 (01:01:29):
I am worried, Mike. Situation is pretty acute. I think
most people know it's pretty dry out there at the moment.
Like levels are lower than what they were at this
time last year. We still haven't got guest supply. That
means that it's going to be a tight winter.

Speaker 17 (01:01:41):
Did you say what you see because you needed to
say it or just fill some headlines? In other words,
are they scurlous and are now going to have to
tidy their ACKed up? Or were they decent players anyway?

Speaker 18 (01:01:50):
Now, look, Mike, the circumstances are changed. We need some
action and we need to see everyone playing their part.
We need more generation, but we also need a competitive market.

Speaker 17 (01:01:59):
Back Monday from six am, the mic Asking Breakfast at
the Rain drove of the last News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Twenty three to eleven on News Talk ZB. Skype is
being shut down. It seems amazing really, given like I
was saying earlier, Skype's kind of a verb as well
as a noun. You know, when you're video calling people,
you skype them. Well, not anymore. Our Textbert Paul Stenhouse
is here with the details. What's happening, Paul, Yeah, I.

Speaker 19 (01:02:23):
Think Zoom might have taken over that name unfortunately, which
Microsoft probably isn't too happy about because they own Skype
and they bought it jack fourteen years ago. Twenty eleven.
It was eight point five billion dollars, which probably twenty eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Was quite the sum of h wasn't that Yeah, But
it sort of came.

Speaker 19 (01:02:44):
It was a little shocking to see the headline I
will have mixed. It's like it feels like it's been
a bit of a name, you know, a namestay of
the technology world. Ye, obviously people aren't using it, maybe
quite as much as they're used to, but it really
was the original video calling app. And so Microsoft said
May five shutting it down, that it gives us what

(01:03:04):
sixty odd days I think it was. They have been good, though,
I will see this right. Instead of just pulling the pin,
they've actually created some tooling to let people either port
their Skype account over to a free version of Microsoft Teams,
which is basically their play for the future, or they're
actually letting people so export it out. And I kind

(01:03:24):
of like that they've made the choice, given people the choice,
and made the options quite clear, rather than some technology
companies don't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Yeah, so what does explorting it out mean?

Speaker 19 (01:03:33):
So you'll be able to take your contacts and your
type of your chats and things like that and take
it somewhere else. But Microsoft, this is kind of a
good thing for Microsoft because they have Teams, Skype and
also this old thing called Link and they all basically
do exactly the same thing. They're all like chat and video,
and so it's good that done.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Now you're kind of consolidating.

Speaker 19 (01:03:53):
They're consolidating, right, and just makes things easier for people.
You know, So is he a Skype is you No,
it's just going to be teams. Yeah, And so if
you do, if you do have a Skype account, there
is one thing you need to know though, and this
is the thing to think that got thing that got
people onto Skype was that you could use it to
make very cheap overseas.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Calls back yesterday. Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:04:12):
Now that feature won't be being ported over to teams,
not the free not the free version anyway, so that
part of it will disappear. But otherwise you've still got
your video calling and your chat and your group chats
and all that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
It is a shame to lose that. Although the sense
I get is that pretty much everywhere now people are
kind of moving towards WhatsApp anyway. You know that WhatsApp
is kind of the international calling equivalent, isn't it? So
I suppose it's not the end.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
Of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Yeah, interesting though, amazing just how kind of fortunes change.
Tell us why is Katie Perry of all people going
to space?

Speaker 19 (01:04:43):
Well, it's about who you know, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:04:49):
Exactly, so she she so, okay, So blue origin is
Jeff Bezos, founder of Amazon's rocket company. His fiance is
Lauren Sanchez. Okay, right, So Lauren decided that she was
going to take an all gaal pale kind of trip
to space. So she said to Katy Perry, want to come?

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
M hm okay.

Speaker 19 (01:05:14):
She's also taking along. There's a newscaster over here on
Sibbi's called Gail King, who I think is famously known
as Oprah's best friend. She's going to a research scientist,
a film producer, and a former NASA rocket scientist. They're
all going to be going with Jeff Bezos's fiance. Laurence
sends she is up in a space because when your

(01:05:36):
husband owns a rocket company, you just take it for
a spin. You take the rocket for a spin. Don't
you take some friends go for a spin to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Space as you do?

Speaker 9 (01:05:45):
All right?

Speaker 10 (01:05:46):
Fun?

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Yeah, well, yeah, nice? Some I'm not yeah. I think
I'd probably be excited about a couple of those passengers,
a couple of others. I'm not too sure. I suppose
it's a pretty quick trip.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Paul Stenhouse, our texpert there before eleven o'clock we're in
the garden with the first and last call for Veggie's
the things you need to get in the ground right
now to get prepared for all autumn and winter. Next up, though,
our personal finance expert is in with her tips on
giving cash to kids.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.
Then with Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Day and bepwured on codet enz
for high quality supplements use talk.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
ZB seventeen to eleven. Lisa Dudson is our personal finance experts.
She's with us this morning.

Speaker 20 (01:06:27):
Gilder Morning Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Well, our we man is only less than two weeks old,
so this isn't a huge issue for him just yet.
But this morning we're talking about giving cash to kids.
Is cash a good gift for children?

Speaker 11 (01:06:40):
Look, I think it is if you attach a bit
of a lesson with it.

Speaker 20 (01:06:45):
I mean research shows you know, this is with adults
that if we spend cash.

Speaker 11 (01:06:50):
We generally spend about twenty percent lesson if we put
it on plastic.

Speaker 20 (01:06:53):
Right yeah, you on today's World Tap, So I think
you know cash is quite good because here's some substance
to it, right yeah. And so then I think if
you're going to do that then use the opportunity to
attack some learnings to from quite a young age. Yeah,
Otherwise kids grow up loarning that money comes out of
a machine in the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Do you know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
I can't remember as a kid going and seeing my
granddad and he went to an ATM. I would have
been about seven or eight years old, and he went
to an ATM to get some cash out, and I
remember he got it out and I said how much
money did you get out? And he said I got
out fifty dollars or whatever. And I said, why didn't
you just get out ten thousand dollars? And he said, well, no,
I know that's not how it works. And I said,
but I said, no, god on, just just get it out,
just get it out. And I literally thought that the

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cash was free, you know, I couldn't. I couldn't compute
that actually that was his bank account that he was
withdrawing from. And so I suppose the benefit of cash
is that it's a as a concept, it's often easier
for children to understand, right.

Speaker 20 (01:07:48):
Yes, I think so, yeah, yeah, And I think it
needs to be age appropriate too, you know. I guess
as they get a little bit older, you know, and
I don't really know what that age might be. It
might even be as young as five or six.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Yeah, right, he's probably dependent on the kid.

Speaker 20 (01:08:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. But I think it's
a wonderful thing to teach kids money from an early age.
For I tell you, as a parent who goes, I
just want to make my life easy by giving them
what they want. Be hereul what you wish for, because
down the track you'll probably say the other side of that. Right, Yeah,
there's a lot of benefits for putting a little bit
of pain, into a little bit of effort into teaching

(01:08:20):
them at a young age.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
So what do you think are the lessons that we
can try and impart in those early stages.

Speaker 11 (01:08:26):
Yes, I think it's some budgeting basics is quite a
good one.

Speaker 20 (01:08:29):
I really like the idea of the spend saved give
system that a lot of people talk about. You know,
it might be you know forty thirty, you know thirty,
or you know, whatever you decided it is. So therefore,
you know, when they get some money, then they've got
a certain amount that they can go and do what
they want with a certain amount that they've got to
save for something you know, a bit bigger and something

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that they put aside to help you know, others in society.
So you know, it teaches budgeting, saving, delay, get gratification, generosity,
wonderful lessons.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
That's what my sister does with her kids, the spind save,
give and keeps them in different jars, so I think
you know, say they get a dollar of reach or something,
then yeah, it kind of teaches them some values around
thinking about their community and that kind of thing, as
well as the benefits of saving for a while. And
it also gives them an opportunity to go and recount
every jar from time to time, as they tend to do.

Speaker 20 (01:09:19):
Yeah, because that that visual experience is I think wonderful.
Right when you get that visualness, I think you's it's
more tangible and I think you learn better from it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:09:29):
The thing is to encharacter some gold setting. So sort
of actually sitting down and going okay, well what do
you want to spend your money on?

Speaker 11 (01:09:36):
And going okay, well you know what is it that
you want? How much have you got?

Speaker 20 (01:09:40):
How many weeks do you need to be you know,
saving money for before you you can actually buy that
thing that you want to buy.

Speaker 11 (01:09:46):
I think that's an awesome thing to do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 20 (01:09:52):
Yeah, and then alongside of that also encouraging them to
do jobs or projects that they can earn a little
bit of extra money from you, which is the pocket
money concept, right, So then they learn that there's you know,
there's value in the money and they have to do
something together other than the magic machine in the wall.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
See, I've got mixed thoughts on pocket money as a whole.
So I've got some friends who I think have gone
a good way about it, So that their thing is
that by being a contributing member to the family, you
are expected to do some jobs around the house just
by being part of the family, and that you will
expect to get some a small amount of pocket money
as a result, because you know, the family income is

(01:10:31):
shared and the family jobs are shared. But that if
you do additional stuff, then there might be an opportunity
for some things. Or if you you know, go and
help out the neighbors or something like that, then there
might be an opportunity to do some additional things. And
I think that's a really good way to go.

Speaker 20 (01:10:46):
About it, and I think that's that would probably be
my preferred thing as well, because then you've got, you know,
a balance, and then it's not like, well, I'm not
going to make my bed unless you give me some money.
You know, you don't want to get into that sort
of situation. The other thing that I really quite like
that I've seen number of friends do is I say
that there, you know, to be kids, and you know
they need to be a little bit older, and it's okay,
we've got fifty dollars to spend this weekend or a
hundred dollars to spend this weekning.

Speaker 11 (01:11:05):
Whatever it is, and go or are you over the
month and go right? You know you're in charge of it. Yeah,
sit down and decide what we're going to do.

Speaker 20 (01:11:12):
So that might mean that we go to the movies
one weekend, but because we spent most of the money,
that the next weekend we have to.

Speaker 11 (01:11:18):
Go to take a picnic and go to the park
because we've run out of cash.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Yeah that's that's that's amazing. I mean you've got to
have some confidence or you've got to be out.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:11:28):
Yeah, but if they blow it, they blow it right, sure,
But then you've got to put your foot down and say, well,
you made the decision for.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:11:37):
Yeah, but it's that choice consequence and that's what I
do a lot of adults.

Speaker 11 (01:11:41):
It's that critical thinking about if you do.

Speaker 20 (01:11:43):
This, then this then happens, right, and that's what you
want to have happened. So I think that's a great
thing to be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
And that's a really good way to learn the lesson
quickly as well, I think, which is which is a
real upside.

Speaker 20 (01:11:54):
Yeah, and then they start learning too that they start
looking for discounts online or comparing activities costs. Again, a
great thing for down the track when you start, you know,
doing a smart shop, right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:12:07):
The other thing I quite like from a saving perspective
or an investing perspective, and it's probably because maybe Tao
a bit older, is to start introducing matching contributions so
they get to a certain goal of saving, then you
might chop it up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Oh that's a good idea as well, to really incentivize that. Yeah,
and maybe even I mean it's almost like key we
say it's more than you get from compound interest necessarily,
but to try and really hammer home the benefit of saving,
that's a yeah, that's a great and.

Speaker 20 (01:12:33):
I love that for university fees, yeah, and also home deposits,
like the parents are contributing a lot these dates to
the kids home deposits, but I might don't give it
to them match it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Yeah, that's a very very good piece of advice. Okay, Hey,
thank you so much, Lisa. Those are really good practical tips.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 11 (01:12:52):
Something to be prepared for Jack gulp.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
I think he's a.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Little young to be deciding what we'll be doing for
fun next week. But yeah, we'll see, all right, thanks Jack.
That is Lisa does in our personal finance expert as much.
We certainly won't be sleeping after eleven o'clock this morning.
Our clinical psychologist isn't. With a really confronting line. He says,

(01:13:18):
it's time for us all to stop trying to be happy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
Don't worry.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
There is some context here. He's going to unpack it
for us right after the eleven o'clock news this morning.
Next So we are in the garden right now, it's
ten to eleven on these dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
He'd be gardening with Still shaft free autumn upgrades on
Still's best sellers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
It's the first and last call for Veggy's in the garden.
A man in the gardener's rude climb past. He's here
this morning, killed her.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Hey, Kira Jack.

Speaker 10 (01:13:46):
Before we go any further, I just want to say
happy birth there for Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
That's here.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I suggest you have a very happy birthday as well.

Speaker 10 (01:13:59):
Yeah, well I will, but that a little bit later.
But anyway, that's yeah. I remember because you're very close
to my son under sun that's why. But anyway, that
is interesting how these things change, don't they.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Yes, because birthday, it hasn't my my birthday. I just
think this year isn't going to be a huge priority
for too many people in our household. But that's all right,
that's alright. I'm used to suffering dead, you know. It's
just these are the way things are this time of
this time of year. Though it sort of comincides with

(01:14:33):
my birthday. That we I mean, we're starting to notice
that around the country a little bit, a little bit
cooler at night in a lot of places, a little
bit damper underfoot. We are slowly heading towards autumn.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
That's right.

Speaker 10 (01:14:44):
But also the other thing is that you get shorter
day lengths, and I think a lot of people forget
that it's not just temperature that does it. But it's
the day length system and that is that is really
what this whole thing is about in terms of autumn.
So I'll give you an example. For instance, you can,
I think you can still grow French beans and plant
an a s a p okay in the Auckland region,

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whereas I had to do mine two weeks ago, so
that you know what I mean. It's that sort of
stuff and it's going and it's going quite well because
yes we've had a rappy summer. It is okay if
everything is sheltered from the cold winds, for instance, and
these things will keep going. So, my friends, beans are

(01:15:29):
going well. The peace another actually peace, to be quite honest.
You can plant those for a lot longer than beans,
for instance, but peace will go literally through almost through
the winter, and if you're lucky, you can actually still
harvest your peace before it becomes winter. So that's exactly

(01:15:49):
what I'm aiming for. I just thought I'm at that
point because if you have a well drained soil, nice
and moist and that sort of stuff in a sunny,
warm spot, even here on the porthills, I know I
can get beans going before anything that starts to go
down to gurgle and it's important.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:16:09):
The other the other one is Julie is a broad
broad beans fan. I don't mind him, but it's not
rook anyway, you know. Yeah, you know, No, I'm a
reasonably okay guardener for her taste as well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
But there you do what my mom does with them.
She just fries broad beans with bacon. No, no, you
are amazing. It is so so so good. It is delicious,
like one of my all time favorite recipes of my mom,
which is saying something because she's an amazing cook. But yeah,
broad beans and bacon there.

Speaker 10 (01:16:46):
Yeah, I'm going to write that down right now and
I'm going to have a chat with the with the
boss tonight about that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
So broad but there you go, do it now, gorgeous.
Same with carrot. Carrots too.

Speaker 10 (01:16:59):
Carrots can be planted right now. You can actually keep
going for quite a while, and you do it every
two weeks a bitch, so you'll have you know, you
have them growing up. When you run under the first
pitch the second one, we'll be ready. It's as simple
as that.

Speaker 21 (01:17:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:17:13):
And the other thing about carrots is is that you
need really clean soil. What I mean with that checker said,
if you think, I know, you haven't got time.

Speaker 9 (01:17:25):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:17:25):
I'm not saying you have to do and all that,
but if you want to grow carrots, make sure your
soil is really stone free so you don't get that before.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Yes, you got to head off on these sorts of directions,
don't they exactly?

Speaker 10 (01:17:37):
There you go and finally and finally broccoli. You keep
going with it right now, you'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Yeah, very good. Hey think sir. We'll put all of
those tips and the things you need to get in
the ground now to get organized for autumn up on
the News Talk c B website. So what is it's
twentieth of March. I think a ten oh one pm.
That's when we switch from some of the autumn officially anyway,
Roots a sticklers for these things, you know, after leaving

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Any you were Jacktaim on News Talks dB quick question,
do mone Who's hurt?

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
I'd say that as someone who's never done a manu
and probably couldn't do a monu.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
I feel like you sort of have to feel like
when you're built like a praying mantis, I feel like
that's not the kind of ideal physical shape for a
mone who. Anyway, the final of the Moneu World Champs
is on this weekend. Suff Tarmackie Makoda, Auckland and seven meters.
I was a little bit surprised that seven meters is
the platform off which they're diving for the mone Who's
I thought it was like a three meter platform, But

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seven meters just feels to me like it could hurt.
So if you know anything, or even just a little
bit more than I do about mone Whose, please let
me know. I'd be interested to know if mone Who's hurt.
I can imagine if you get them wrong, they definitely hurt.
Ninety two ninety two is the text number before midday Today,
we're going to listen to some new music from Kiwi
duo Foley, Plus, our travel correspondent has just taken a

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ride through the rails in the forgotten world in the
king Country. It sounds like an amazing little adventure. So
he's going to share his top tips on that with
us very shortly. Right now, it's eight minutes past eleven, Jack,
Team clind ofical psychologist Google Sutherland is here with us
this morning, and he has a rather interesting subject. He
wants us to stop trying to be happy, or at
least he's read some research into stopping trying to be happy.

(01:20:06):
Morning doogle curra Jack.

Speaker 22 (01:20:09):
Yes, it's not really what you expect when you took
to a psychologist is that they're going to tell you
to stop trying to be happy. But yeah, it's it's
an interesting the article that I was reading. Often, you
might not be surprised to know. Often psychology research articles
don't have the sexiest titles. Yes, but this one was

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called Happiness Depletes Me, and it was like, that's and
what they found was that if you are trying to
be happy, or you spend lots of time trying to
be happy, and that's trying to look for as much
positive emotion as possible and at the same time void
negative emotions like sadness and that sort of thing. It

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actually leads to people feeling less happy, having less energy, and.

Speaker 9 (01:20:55):
Feeling lonely as well. So the more you try, the
worse it becomes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Yeah, that's interesting. So if you deliberately alter your kind
of your behavior and your thoughts and stuff, then it
ultimately you ultimately end up kind of focusing more on
the negative things, or at the very least, it leaves
you kind of exhausted and depleted.

Speaker 9 (01:21:18):
And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Well two things.

Speaker 22 (01:21:21):
One is that you know, having all this deliberate You've
only got you know, a certain amount of energy, right,
and so if you're expending that on trying to do something,
changing your behavior, changing your thoughts, then you can get
tired and exhausted, and then you end up because you know,
you know what it's like when you're a bit tired
and you make a stupid decision and you end up
overspending or overeating or something.

Speaker 9 (01:21:43):
Like that, and then you regret that and then and
you get all yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:21:49):
I think The other thing too, I think is that
when people are you know, the look always looking for
the next thing.

Speaker 9 (01:21:55):
Okay, what are we going to do today? What's kind
of today that's going to make me, happy people tend
to overlook the very small moments.

Speaker 22 (01:22:03):
Of joy that occur naturally, and and that might be
you know, this morning, I went out and it's been
it's been a beautiful week here in Wellington weatherwise, and
I just still down our deck, on our deck, and
it was just really delightful to.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Be honest, Yeah, youw are those two minutes this year?

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Yeah, thank you about.

Speaker 22 (01:22:23):
Yeah, we'll take those because that's the better we're going
to get. But it was just those small moments and
if I had been in a hurry and focused on Okay,
what am I going to do that?

Speaker 9 (01:22:31):
What am I going to do that?

Speaker 22 (01:22:32):
It's going to feel great, then you tend to miss
those small moments of joy that just spontaneously occur and
actually and do give you that positive feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
And this isn't necessarily new thinking, right, because there was
that book I can't remember it was was a few
years ago now that the Happiness Trap.

Speaker 9 (01:22:51):
Yeah, that's right, So it's not new at all.

Speaker 22 (01:22:54):
You know that this idea has been around for about
twenty twenty five years. As you say, The Happiness Trap
was by an Australian guy, Ras Harris, and it's it's
based on a type of therapy called acceptance and commitment
therapy and or act not not the political party that
which is always a little bit confusing if you're talking
to clients, they think you're trying you're trying to convert

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them to a particular political cause.

Speaker 9 (01:23:16):
And you have to explain it's it's not that, but yeah,
it's around that. So his book was called The Happiness Trap,
and it was really it's a great I thoroughly.

Speaker 22 (01:23:24):
Recommend it for people if they're into it, but it
really sets out kind of three things that you should
do instead of looking for positive emotions, So instead of
searching for happiness all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Yeah right, okay, So what are the tips that they
share through the Happiness Trap? Like, you just sort of
got to accept that you do have some down moments, right.

Speaker 9 (01:23:43):
Yeah, that's the first one.

Speaker 22 (01:23:45):
It's it's not being it's it's it's it's being okay
with not being okay sometimes. And it doesn't mean that
you go searching for pain or or sadness or negative emotions,
and it doesn't mean that you revel on them, but
it just is.

Speaker 9 (01:24:01):
The acceptance that they these occur naturally to all of us.
And in our life, it's part of life. It's okay
to have them, it's normal to have them.

Speaker 22 (01:24:11):
So that's the first thing I think is accepting them
and don't try not to fight against them, if that
make sense. And then going the second point would be,
you know, going back to our just you know, picking
up from what we talked about a moment ago about.

Speaker 9 (01:24:25):
Small moments of joy. Enjoy those positive moments when they
do occur.

Speaker 22 (01:24:31):
So so just be alert and be aware for when
those very small moments of joy occur.

Speaker 9 (01:24:37):
You know. And I'm thinking about you with a new
baby and sleepless nights, and and and and.

Speaker 22 (01:24:43):
It's easy to kind of overlook that there will be
times as your boy grows up, you know that that
you know, there'll be those little moments of a smile
or a giggle or whatever. And if you're too focused
on other things, you can miss those little small moments
that really bring us sort of joy and happiness just
just naturally occurring.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
I think this is a bit of a danger for
me generally, because I'm a real time optimizer. You know,
I'm very productivity focused, and kind of every conscious and
waking moment, I'm always like, what kind of do now
to you know, get more done and get more things
of the day, and you end up just kind of
rushing through the day and not being present. I suppose
that's what it is. A just but just trying to
be another word for being trying.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
To be present.

Speaker 9 (01:25:22):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I think it's it's it's you know,
it's it's focused more on being rather than doing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Yeah, I think too.

Speaker 9 (01:25:31):
And look in the third tip, i'd say, and this
is what the Happiness track talks about.

Speaker 22 (01:25:35):
Two is around live life, because my people might say, well,
if I'm not trying to be happy all the time.

Speaker 9 (01:25:40):
How should I live my life?

Speaker 22 (01:25:42):
And and and Russ Harris talks about living according to
your values and and one way to sort of figure
out what your values are, because we all probably have them,
but we may not always know what they are, is
to ask yourself, what are three words that I would
like other people to use to describe me?

Speaker 9 (01:26:03):
And those three words are probably cotive of your value.

Speaker 22 (01:26:07):
So if you know, you say I'd love people to
think I'm dependable or considerate or kind or hard working, whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:26:15):
It is, those are probably your values.

Speaker 22 (01:26:17):
And start using those as almost like a compass to
guide you and how you speak, how you act in
the world, and that leads to a fulfilling life rather
than necessarily one that's packed full to the brim of happiness.
It's a fulfilling life with moments of joy, moments of sadness,
but probably ultimately better for us in the longer term.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Yeah, And the funny thing is, I feel like a
fulfilling life is actually a better way to think of
a happy life. Like, Yeah, sometimes I wonder if you
it's just breaking it down into time frames. That is
the kind of good way to distinguish between these things.
If you, if you are you know, in your in
the twilight of your of your time on this mortal earth,
and you look back over your life and you're able

(01:27:01):
to have that kind of fulfilled feeling that that is
happening in my Yeah, whereas it you're just focusing on
the was have I been happy all day? Am I
happy right now?

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Then you never get You're always going to be chasing
something that doesn't exist.

Speaker 22 (01:27:13):
Yeah, it's a deeper level, isn't I'd perhaps call it
joy maybe, or satisfaction, or even that sort of sense
of peace or or equanimity, just that sense of oh,
I'm i'm, I'm, I'm here, I am and I'm enjoying
life and my life as feels complete. And that can

(01:27:35):
be a bit of a subtle change for people, but
I think a really good one if you're able to switch.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
That up nice.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
We'll put that by your byline. Google Sutherlands is stop
trying to be happy. Clinical psychologist Turgle Sutherlands is stopped
trying to be happy, be fulfilled instead, be satisfied. Thank
you so much, Google, Have a great weekend and we'll
catch again very soon. Google Subtherland from Umbrella Well Being.
There a travel correspondent is in in a couple of
minutes at sixteen minutes past eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Travel with Windy Woo Tours with the World is yours
for now.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Mike Yardley is our travel correspondent, Killed kilder Jack.

Speaker 23 (01:28:11):
Now it's a very big day, March one.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Do you know why?

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Happy birthday, Mike?

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
No, No, not that I know of.

Speaker 23 (01:28:20):
No, it's a happy birthday day to the bluff Oysters seasons.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Oh, I should have that in my diary.

Speaker 23 (01:28:28):
Yeah, okay, you ordering them up because the fishing boats
go out today. Fantastic going to be a good season.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Yep, oh good, okay, well that's good to know.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Yeah, you've got to get in quick too, superb. I'm pleased.
I'm please you've alerted that, well, please, you've alerted me.
I'm not sure I'm pleased you've alerted the nation to that,
but hey, anyway, we're focusing on things slightly further north
this morning, the Forgotten World, which is of course the
King Country. And you've been riding the rails through the
Forgotten World. So how big is the route and what

(01:28:56):
are you actually riding on?

Speaker 23 (01:28:58):
It's a whopper jack. You're ripping through the King Country
for one forty two kilometers, so you're riding on a
decommission raph line stretching from the northern tip of the
Rue of Pehu district to Heartland Tartanaki Stratford to Okahokah
which is just out of Timotanui. But this is no
train trip. You are riding on souped up golf carts

(01:29:20):
from Arizona and you're in charge of the pedals. The
wheels are fastened to the tracks, which is nice to know,
so no steering required or whoa then actually gets some
getting used to reflex is to put your hands on
the wheel. So I was a slow learner for the
first hour or two.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
I think it'll be the same actually, yeah, just kind
of reflexively reaching down and wanting to lean into turns.

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
So how long has it been operating?

Speaker 23 (01:29:46):
About thirteen years now, so yeah. Kiwi Rall closed the
line in twenty ten and a White Kadow farmer Ian Balm.
He was the founder of Forgotten World Adventures. He turned
the mothballed line into what has been a visionary business.
It's now owned by Grant Ross. He's had it for
the last three years. He's very hands on. He greets

(01:30:07):
all the guests, he's off and out doing the excursions.
And he's got such a fascinating backstory because Grunt was
a professional rugby player in South Africa and France and
also worked in television productions overseas, so he's got lots
of yarns to share on lines. But the thing about
it check is the track maintenance, which was one of
the reasons Kiwi Rail called stumps back in twenty ten.

(01:30:29):
So Grant was showing me photos from a couple of
years ago where these massive mud slides in the King
Country buried the entrance to some of their tunnel, so
they literally had to just hand dig all of that
mud out off the line. Oh wow breaking Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Oh my gosh. Okay, yeah, that's a huge effort. So
do you have to ride the entire line or the
kind of options along the way.

Speaker 23 (01:30:52):
Yes, there are options that they do six different tours,
so whether you're after a half day excursion, full day
or multi day, there's something for you. I took the
full day excursion to fung A Normana. But the thing
about the track jack is that and there's so many
information panels along the line. It took over thirty years

(01:31:16):
to build this railway line, so it was originally developed
to help get timber coal farm produce out of that
hinterland onto the main trunk line at Tomat de Nui
and then up to Auckland. But some of the engineering
and you can see vestiges of this along the way.

(01:31:36):
For example, they built these massive timber trestle via ducts
right across the ravines. The ravines were just like too
high to put a massive bridge across, so they built
these timber trestle viaducts which are now overgrown on bosh,
so you can get off your cars along the line

(01:31:56):
and just stand on top of what beneath you are
huge timber trestle frames. So there's just some crazy stuff
to do if you want to. If you want to
do the entire line to Stratford, that takes two days,
but yeah, the full day ride funger Mormona. Highly recommend
it and and what like.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Talk us through a bit more funger Mormona for people
who haven't heard about what draws people there.

Speaker 23 (01:32:19):
The pub basically the Wafering Hole, and it's so legendary
and it showcases the area's history on its walls. The
actual little town of funger Mormona looks like a movie
set for a western. It's just crazy. But the full
drama related to funger Mormonar ensued in the eighties when

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the town truist Strop when the local government boundary changes
decided to put funger Mormona in Manatu as opposed to Tartanaki,
and the locals who are in having that, so they
declared themselves a republic, and every January they still celebrate
Republic Day and elected presidents. You can even get your
passport sent at the pub counter there are.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
There a lot of When you're on the rails themselves,
there are lots of tunnels and bridges and that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 23 (01:33:12):
Ah, so many, Jack, Yeah, And I mean the scenery,
the wraparound scenery is deliriously good. But yes, ninety bridges,
twenty four tunnels on the full ride. Most of those
are actually on the full day from tamar Nui to
funger Mormona. The highlight though, are those brick lined tunnels

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and they were laid by hand. So the longest tunnel
on the line, the Okoholka Tunnel, is fifteen hundred meters long.
It's one of New Zealand's longest tunnels. It's got three
and a half million bricks in it and it took
the workers eight years to build that tunnel alone. I mean,
it's just crazy what we used to do. So yeah,

(01:33:57):
when you're in the middle of that tunnel, that really
is a great encounter with pitch black darkness.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Yeah, that's amazing. And what are the landscapes like around there?

Speaker 23 (01:34:07):
Yeah, well, the King Country. I've always been fascinated by
this chunk of New Zealand because you can see the
volcanic creation of the landscape all of those really tightly folded,
steep sided hills, all created by lahars from topol and
rukhu eruptions. So the topography is riveting. I mean those

(01:34:29):
hills I reckon in some vantage points, they look like
pyramids rising up from the land. An Egyptian tourist would
be impressed in the scenery. Yeah, it's so ever changing.
We threated our way through this magnificentative forest where the
locally we are currently reintroducing kiweed to the bosh. You
see towering parper cliffs rising up from the railway line.

(01:34:52):
So yeah, it really is a banger of a trip
clattering along those tracks. It's just such a lonely remote
heart of the central North Island and I think every
key we should do it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Yeah, sounds amazing, fantastic. Okay, what is the Forgotten World
and the King Country. We'll put all the details for
riding the rails through the Forgotten World up on the
news talks. He'd be website and catch you again next week,
hopefully a few dozen bluff oysters deep by then.

Speaker 23 (01:35:18):
Mote awesome, Jack, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
There is Mike Cardley. He's our travel corresponding. Here you go, Jack,
I did the full Day, says Jen. It was just awesome.
It was so interesting. We'll do it again soon. And
Steve says the Forgotten Highway is effectively our Jurassic Park. Yeah,
I think lots of New Zealand is our Jurassic Park.
But you're right, it is kind of primordial in that sense, Steve.
And regarding mone Who's apparently a good mane who won't

(01:35:43):
hurt at least that's according to Ian. My concern isn't
necessarily with a good mone Who, and it's with a
bad Moneu. But if the Money World champions are diving
off a seven meter diving board and they get quite
a bit of elevation a when they go off, and
you know, prepping when they're doing their mone Who's, they
get a bit of serious bit of elevation when they
jump off, I can imagine that. Yeah, the potential for
things going wrong is significant. Lisa's Jack, omg. I've seen

(01:36:06):
them doing mone Who's at the wake and I river.
It just seems like it's all about getting into the
fetal position. But the takeoff height really makes that spectacular
ooh ah response. So yeah, looking forward to the images
from the final of the of the MONU World Champs.
Later on today, in a couple of minutes on New
Talk ZB, we'll catch up with Jason Pine and see
what he is planning for weekend Sport this afternoon. It's

(01:36:27):
just coming up till eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Thirty, getting your weekend started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
Team on NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
New Stalks with Jack Tam Just gone eleven thirty on
your Saturday morning. Jason Pine behind the mic for weekend
Sport this afternoon, and it's the first weekend I think
where we have superb A League and proper season NRL underway.

Speaker 24 (01:37:09):
Indeed, hey Jack, Yeah, it's the collision of the seasons
and it's going to be like this for a couple
of months, isn't it. ALEI doesn't finish still back end
of May, and we expect Auckland f C to go
deep into it, as you say, NRL for the next
several months. So we're only into round three of Super Rugby.
So everywhere you look, they're a sport on and that's
before you even start looking at the New Zealand Golf Open,
the black Caps playing in the Champions Trophy and much

(01:37:32):
more besides.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
Yes, yes, okay, let's start off with Super Rugby. I
made the call last night to switch off the Highlanders
more Una Pacifica in favor of your beloved Phoenix, and
you're a fantastic call. I did then go back and
watch the replay of the second half, and we have
to concede. Even though I chose to watch the A
League live. The Super Rugby was probably ultimately the better game. Yeah,
very close in the end. It was, I mean thirty
one ten at a half time.

Speaker 24 (01:37:53):
The Highlanders probably think okay, we've got this yep, even
away from home at Albany. But yeah, more on a
PACIFICA show that they've got a bit about them. They
don't seem to have any trouble scoring points. Jack. That's
one hundred and nine points and three games now, So
that doesn't tell the tale of a team that finds
it difficult to score tries. It's the other end, obviously,
it's the concession of points. Particularly, I mean, you leave

(01:38:13):
yourself a lot of work to do at thirty one
ten down. Yes they almost got there, but they'd want
to stop doing that so often. But I think there
are green shoots of promise in this more wider Pacificate
team obviously having Ardie Savia there's always going to help,
but he can't do it all by himself. They're an
enjoyable watch, though, as are the Highlanders. I have to
say this season. Yeah, especially after last week, I mean

(01:38:34):
anybody apart from that, everybody enjoyed it, apart from Blues fans,
and that's interesting as well. The Blues zero and two
go to sky Stadium tonight to take on the Hurricanes,
who are one and one. Haven't necessarily set the world
on fire this year. The Blues wouldn't want to be
oh and three. No, I mean they may not be,
but yeah, there's a little bit of pressure coming on

(01:38:55):
to the Blues. The defending champions yep aukand if top
of the table clash against Adelaide this evening, and so
if Auckland does win this game, and it's a big
if because Madley's tricky opponent, but if they get ahead here,
you would sort of think that they're gonna probably finish
top of the table come the end of the regular season, right.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:39:13):
A win tonight takes them ten points clear with eight
games to go. Even Adelaide coach already sorry, Melbourne City
coach Alredia Vidmar last night after the game against the
Phoenix said look, I don't think anybody's catching Auckland f C.
He made that claim with eight games to go. Look,
there are still plenty of points left to play for,
but Auckland f C are just so difficult to beat
at home and have started to well haven't started to.

(01:39:34):
They've they've been pretty good on the road as well,
So look, it really is theirs to lose. You're right,
Adelaide are a good team and a good team away
from home. So look, it would be hard to bet
against Auckland f C in the form that they're in.
But you know, it was only a month ago that
Adelaide united wild with a whisker of beating Auckland in
Adelaide before a ninety ninth minute headed goal from Logan Rogerson.

(01:39:57):
So look, I think there'll be another great occasion out there.
They've brought the circus and jack, I'm not sure you've
seen this. There's a Fairest wheel and go meet yap,
a fairest wheel and and those tea cups that you
can soon and go around in candy floss popcorn.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
Bringing the circus to go media this up. Okay, well
I'll be there. It'll be exciting. So what's on the
show this sur Well.

Speaker 24 (01:40:16):
We're going to talk about Auckland FC and Super Rugby,
but want to lead off with the big rugby news
of the week, which is Clayton McMillan leaving the chiefs Now.
Is this an issue for New Zealand rugby? Are they
worried about losing more of our top coaches overseas when
there's really only one top job and that job isn't
open at the moment because Razor has got it. Chris
Lendrum is the head of the professional game in New Zealand.

(01:40:37):
He's going to have a chat to us about that.
We'll go to Vegas and preview the the NRL season
opening matches tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
Is it's going to be live, You've got to be
careful doing live experience.

Speaker 24 (01:40:49):
To Vegas always a bit fraught with peril. We may
we may go into into slight delay at that point.
And lots from the New Zealand open as well, including
couple of the Ambassadors Ricky Ponting Richie McCaw both on
the show this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
Fantastic looking forward to that. Thank you sir, enjoy the
other enjoy the game. This afternoon, Jason Pine with us
for weekend Sport. Right after the midday news before twelve o'clock,
we're going to play you some of That's Life Baby,
which is the latest album from Kiwi Duo Foley. Next up,
we've got your book picks for this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team fulk Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Three to twelve on News talksz'b our book reviewer is
Katherine Rains. Every Saturday, she picks a couple of reads
for our weekend, and she's with us now. Calder Catherine
Morning Jack. Okay, let's start off with book number one
for this weekend. Tell us About Three Days in June
by Ann Tyler.

Speaker 15 (01:41:43):
So, Gail Banes is this administrator at a girls school
on Baltimore, and one Friday morning towards the end of
the year, the headmistress calls her into the main office
to let her know that she's going to be away
the following Monday, and she should probably mention that Gail
won't have a job next year. So Gail, at the
age of sixty one, just leaves. She just walks out

(01:42:04):
of the school without even cleaning the desk and drives
home and amidst all of the sort of chaos of
what's going on with her, her daughter's about to get married,
and her ex husband Max shows up on the doorstep
randomly with a cat and needs a place to stay.
And Gail is this mildly eccentric character. And you follow
her over three days before the day of her daughter's

(01:42:24):
wedding and the day after and this, you know, there's
lots of past events that get called up, and you
see her habits and behaviorism, where she's in her headspace
and her choices, and it's told in her voice, and
you really understand her and her honesty and frankness, and
what you see is what you get. And it's her
story love and heartbreak and her humor. And it's beautifully written.

(01:42:45):
And it's a character driven novel with a little humor
and nostalgia.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
Great, Okay, this sounds cool. So that's by Anne Tyler.
It's called Three Days in June. You've also read the
sequel by Jene half Corlitz, So this is.

Speaker 15 (01:42:58):
Book two in a series, and you can read the
seatquel as a standalone, but I actually recommend that you
read the plot, which is the first book, first, because
in there you meet Jay KiB finch Boner, who's the
struggling author and he's teaching and writing in a community
college and he comes across a student story plot with
a brilliant idea, and a student dies, and he decides

(01:43:19):
to use this plot as his own best selling novel,
and that's where the start of the plot ends. And then,
of course, the sequels at the end of the plot,
and so without spoiling what happens at the end of
that and what happens in the sequel, you take one
of the characters out of that first novel and they
take the Spotlight and it happens to be his wife,
and she's now a best selling author in her own
right and life couldn't be better. And then she gets

(01:43:41):
this very unwelcome blast for the past. And this manuscript
is still floating around and someone sending pages not just
to her but in laws and the editor, and she's
trying to keep some very dark secrets under wraps, and
there's lots of twists. She's Anna herself is a pretty
interesting character, not the nicest, but she doesn't want to

(01:44:02):
risk anything to destroy the perfect life she's built. So
that's where it starts. The author also manages to bring
in some great literary humor. Each of the chapters is
titled as a well known sequel, such as The Testaments,
which is the sequel to Their Handmaiden's Tale. And there's
lots of puns about spink sequels and publishing, but actually
the story's mystery and the surprising conclusion and the unexpected

(01:44:23):
terms of what really pays off in this book, and
I highly recommend both of them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
Nice, Okay, this sounds really good. I really like the
sound of that. So that's the sequel by gene have
Armp correlates and your first book is Three Days in
June by An Tyler. I'm glad, Catherine that the sequel
is indeed a sequel, Otherwise that could have been able
to confusing. It could be, but there was the first
in the series that would really really throw a span
in the works, wouldn't It Sure would.

Speaker 15 (01:44:45):
But I like the titles, I like the plot, and
now the sequel. I really hope there's a third, and
I'm really curious to see what it will be. It
has to be a trilogy somewhere right.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Oh yeah, I think so, I think so. Hey, I've
got a recommendation for you two. Have just finished it
this week. Africa is Not a Country. So you know
that I love reading nonfiction books. I'm a bit of
a shocker. Really, I've got to expand and really few
more fiction books. But yeah, I was given Africa Is
Not a Country a few weeks ago. Basically, it's kind
of like a just a book challenging kind of stereotypes

(01:45:15):
around Africa and African development and you know, making fun
of the fact that often the continent is treated as
a country but actually has incredible diversity and you know,
diversity of landscapes, people, languages, food, all that kind of stuff.
So Africa Is Not a Country is my recommendation that
I will throw in the mix as well. Thank you

(01:45:37):
so much, Catherine. We will catch you again next week.
Katherin Rain's our book reviewer. There Three Days in June
by Ann Tyler was her first book. The sequel by
Gene Hump Corralitz was her second, and both of those
will be up on the news Talk ZEDB website.

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Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
This is the Key with duo Foley. The song is
called never Feels Like Summer, kind of dreamy sounding. A
got a new album. The album is called That's Life
Baby and the Stelle Clifford, our music reviewer, has been listening.
Good morning, Calder, what a beautiful song. Ah, you're very
very like kind of yeah, don't you think, kind of dreamy?

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:46:45):
Well, Ash, who is the lead singer of Foley. She
she's like, this is our pure love song. This is
the song where you know, there's nothing We're not taking
the mickey, We're just actually embracing it and being in love.
It's not the beginning of a relationship at the end.

Speaker 20 (01:46:59):
It's just this is where love is.

Speaker 21 (01:47:02):
And a little surprised because this is actually how the
album finishes.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
This is the final song.

Speaker 21 (01:47:06):
And I loved it because Gabe sings a verse on
it as well, and he's kind of so he's usually
the music maestro, but every now and then he Pep
has a little song where he will do the lead
vocals or he'll come in and do his little part,
and it's a really beautiful way to just sum up
and finish wrap up the entire album, and it's just

(01:47:27):
a little like a little treats a little surprise at
the end of the album, which I think is a
really beautiful thing to do. And then you're gonna completely
change this because once I finished chatting, you're gonna play
the title track, which is That's Life Baby, which has
become like one of those catchphrases you know, when something
happens you're like, wow, that's and it's a real catchy,

(01:47:49):
like a real awesome hook that gets you back in,
and it's got that real energetic, fun synth pop thing
that I think fully are not well for, but with
more confidence. And I'm just I love these two. I
have kind of followed them right from the get go.
I've had lots of long, fun chats with them, and
they're really open about sharing their music journey and how

(01:48:12):
they come to a song and put it all together.
And I think I enjoy following them as well because
together is a friendship. They're just such a dynamic duo
and you can hear that in their music, so it's exciting,
I think to hear what they're doing with their tunes.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
Because they met performing at Rockquest, right or competing Yeah,
and see.

Speaker 21 (01:48:33):
That's why we have to make sure that we still
race those competitions, yes, because it really has actually really
helped a lot of our musicians with the foundations and
coming together. I watched a live video that they did
yesterday on the launch of the album, but in particular
for the music video that's for That's Life Baby. They're
cruising in this old school car. It was someone's Manners car.

(01:48:55):
They had one owner and it was a manual, so
Gabe had to drive. But it was funny because they
told the story about how they went out to Mooda
Y to shoot it, thinking like, you know, deserted beach
out in the west, and instead there's like two hundred
people there, like in the evening, and they're like, what
the heck, they're all there to watch one of the comets,
you know, the inion years. So actually they've ended up

(01:49:18):
with all these people in the background of this music video,
which again goes with the song That's Life Baby. Oh well,
now all these people are your extras in the back of.

Speaker 19 (01:49:27):
Your music video.

Speaker 21 (01:49:28):
And I think again they're the kind of artists that
will just embrace that and use that as an energy
to propel what it is that they do, and so
again it creates this dynamic. They thought they had this
thing for a music video and it becomes so much more. Yeah,
but they're really good at moving with that, and I
think that's something that will be really good for them
as they further their career. So they've actually they've moved

(01:49:49):
to Sydney now they're based over there. They've got like
a this is inside scoop. They've got a booking agent,
which just means there's someone who is really promoting and
working hard on getting those live gigs, because again, I
think the kind of music that's on here, you get
these really big old sounds and then you get those beautiful,
dreamy kind of things. So to know, like to have

(01:50:12):
a chance to play those live and get that audience reaction,
I think to do more of those live gigs. They're
going on a big Australian tour. To have someone who's
focused on that part of your career, I think it's
really exciting for them to take it to that next step,
always knowing that their feet are grounded here and but
you know, you've got to be able to spread your
wings and they've got this great music to do it,

(01:50:34):
some real cool pop stuff on here. There was one song,
it's called Fever. I don't know what they'll think of
me saying this, but it kind of gave me Gloria
Estefan vibes.

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
Okay, you know how she's always.

Speaker 21 (01:50:44):
Had like sort of like sounds, like real cool, catchy
pop stuff with like just some of these sounds in
the in the production where it's just it kind of
makes me have that sort of happy like energy. I
don't know, I keep saying energy. There's a lot of
energy in this album, but it's sort of magical and
beautiful at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
And yeah, I think of them as being I think
of them as being like poppy, but also there is
a slight like there is a kind of nostalgic vein
through it, right, like a kind of an eighties kind
of thing through it as well.

Speaker 21 (01:51:17):
Definitely influenced from that synth pop era, which I guess
is why maybe I felt sort of glorious to find
about one or two of the tracks. But then there's
that sort of modern production that comes in with different
sort of bass and drums, and that sort of changes
it to make it sort of had that modern twist,
and maybe we're just the eighties seems to be a
decade that none of us can ever escape, you know,

(01:51:39):
whether you're in it or not. Like it's something that
just really seems to sit with a lot of people
in the music, which is on a story, honest, fun songs,
right Like, maybe every now and then, we just need
to be able.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
To have that, yeah, yeah, and maybe the kind of
unapologetically pop sound, you know, like they're going for that,
not the necessarily bubblegum pop, but going for that, especially
with the kind of being the early iterations of electronic
music as well, you know, and all of that.

Speaker 21 (01:52:06):
We've only got better at producing those sounds, right Yeah.
Now they're kind of slack and fun and they can
do a little bit of playful stuff in there. And
I think also like there's two rite quite vulnerable sort
of songs. They're quite honest, personal storytelling. Ash talks a
lot about making up songs sitting on the bus and
you know, singing quietly into her phone.

Speaker 8 (01:52:24):
So they've got that.

Speaker 21 (01:52:25):
Vulnerability and storytelling, but also they want to have like
this optimistic outlook. They don't want to leave you hanging
with the down bars. Yeah, that's live baby, and so
again I guess that leans into that pop kind of
way of things. You know, we're going to talk about
the lows and highs and the trauma of life, but
actually there's there's hope at the other end of that.
So let's keep it with that bright sort of sound.

(01:52:46):
And this is a very bright sounding album, whether it
is the beautiful love song ballady type things or you're
going full dance mode. And I think some of that
is going to go crazy when they go live.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
Have you seen them before.

Speaker 21 (01:52:59):
Only an acoustic set that they did like a little showcase,
which was still beautiful and amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
But pop being, isn't it. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
sweety underground, yeah exactly. Yeah, those places that you frequent. Yeah,
some people we're a.

Speaker 21 (01:53:15):
Measure of tops and things, you know, but I'll be
at the back.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So this sounds like a bit of
me too, actually, Yeah, Okay, it's really enjoyable.

Speaker 21 (01:53:23):
It's a great album. I think it's a really good
place for them to be and yeah, I just give
it a good listen and feel the optimism and yeah,
just some of the beautiful sounds they put together. Ash's
voice is fantastic. I really like her sounds. Yeah, yeah,
it's a great listen.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
Okay, we'll have a listened to the title track in
a couple of minutes. But what did you give That's
Life Baby? I'm going to get a nine out of
ten very good. Okay, nine out of ten superb, very good.
All right, we'll catch you get next week thanks of
Stelle Stelle Clifford our music review of the That's Life
Baby is for these new album Like I say, we'll
have a bit more of a listen in a couple

(01:53:58):
of minutes. Right now. It has just gone eight minutes
to twelve.

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You can find us on Facebook as well by searching
Jack Tame. Thank you very much to my producers this week,
Kenzy and Libby for doing the tough stuff. Jason Pine
is going to take you through the afternoon Berg Afternoon
planned on weekend Sport. It's the first crossover weekend where
we have the NRL, the A League and Super Rugby
all underway at once, so lots to get through the SAVO.
Of course, Auckland FC playing at five o'clock this evening.

(01:54:55):
I'll be at that game, hoping that they can score
a win against Adelaide United, which would hopefully put them
into an unassailable position at the top of the A
League heading into the playoffs, which would be a readable achievement.
We're gonna leave you with Foley. Their brand new album
is That's Life Baby. This is the title song. I'll
see you next week.

Speaker 25 (01:55:16):
Because it don't change.

Speaker 14 (01:55:20):
I'm not the way you're getting your friends.

Speaker 19 (01:55:22):
Are you be cursing my name? I can sew the
way the English I've never done anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
I can.

Speaker 13 (01:55:33):
See the same.

Speaker 25 (01:55:36):
I can't techs baby, I'll never set up. I'm cool,

(01:56:01):
I'm God, you know what that.

Speaker 13 (01:56:05):
Cry?

Speaker 6 (01:56:05):
And then oh you should go anything only want everybodys able.

Speaker 13 (01:56:10):
That's Saturday.

Speaker 25 (01:56:13):
You never got get it like your own.

Speaker 13 (01:56:16):
That's Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
It's never got get it like your own. Feel this
commonly face. I can't help that. I'm not the one
of childe, baby lost, baby Jack.

Speaker 13 (01:56:35):
That brother, That Saturday. No nostbody.

Speaker 19 (01:56:48):
Saturday, Last Saturday.

Speaker 13 (01:56:55):
Nay Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
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