Full Show Podcast: 08 February 2025

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(01:29):
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going to take it round the country on a nationwide tour,
so they'll be with us right after ten this morning.
Right now, it is eight minutes past nine. This is
going to come as a great surprise. But I am
very particular. I am a big believer that a tidy

(01:54):
house makes for a tidy mind. I like things to
have their place. I like routine, and I hate clutter.
Both of my televisions are mounted on the walls with
their tables hidden away. I use organizers to secrete my
stereo cords, and a cluttered bench top makes me feel
so unsettled that I insist on having nothing on it. Nothing,

(02:19):
absolutely nothing on my kitchen bench top. Our microwave is
hidden away in a cupboard, our toaster is hidden in
a drawer. And when it comes to electric gadgets, that's
as far as I'm prepared to go an air fryer.
You got to be kidding me. Despite my wife's protestations,
I still refuse to buy an electric kettle. Therefore, for

(02:43):
most of my adult life, I've been making coffee the
same way an Italian stove top number you know the ones,
a little Boletti. You sort of put the water in
the bottom, You put the coffee and the funnel in
the middle. You screw it together, put it on the
element and wait for the espresso to brew. It spits
out of the top shaft after about, I don't know,
five minutes and twelve seconds of steady heat. It makes

(03:06):
you wait just a little bit, but it's worth it.
A rich black espresso cremma on the top. Ah. I
love the smell, I love the taste, and I love
the ritual. It's funny. I figure my Billette brew lands
me in that perfect middle ground between freeze dried instant

(03:28):
coffee and the in home espresso makers which have steadily
become ubiquitous in our kitchens. It's you know, it's coffee
for someone who cares about coffee, but it doesn't require
a gleaming chrome spaceship taking up four square meters on
the kitchen bench. But am I missing out? Truthfully? I

(03:50):
am starting to second guess myself. Last year, a family
member very generously offered to shout us a fancy espresso
maker as a wedding gift, and I sort of gently
demurred at the time. It's not that I think they're
totally gimmicky. They're not popcorn makers. They're not like at

(04:11):
home candy floss machines or avocado slices. But it's funny,
you know. My parents got a machine a couple of
years ago with a grinder and a steamer and a
pitcher for the milk, and Dad thrashes it every morning.
My sister has an even fancier new number and bruise
velvety rich flat whites and those fancy sea through mugs.

(04:33):
She says she hasn't bought a coffee since. And I
can see how the economics start to add up if
you replace two cafe bought coffees a week with a
five hundred dollars machine, add in the milk and coffee costs,
and well you'd have paid it off by the next
Rugby World Cup. To the best of my knowledge, only

(04:54):
one other person in my life has consistently made coffee
the same way as me, but as my brother, sheepishly
admitted to me last night, he's just ditched his Italian
stovetop for a big, fancy espresso maker he bought in
a Brisco's sale. It's great, bro, he said, you just
push a button. You just push a button. You see

(05:17):
you think you see. I think that's it. I think
that is it.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Maybe it's the cables on the bench top that puts
me off. Maybe it's the sound. Maybe it's the cost
of a big, fancy espresso machine. Or maybe maybe in
a world that is always changing and where nothing is guaranteed,
starting every day in exactly the same way, with exactly
the same ritual and exactly the same brew, maybe starting

(05:45):
the day by waiting on a simple process and a
humble pot, maybe that's what makes the coffee taste so
damn good. Jack tab ninety two, Am I missing a trick?
Let me know. That's our text number. You can flick
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(06:08):
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(06:31):
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It's white tonguey weekend. I'm Jack Tame and this is
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Z edb Jane says Jack Band News. You would absolutely
absolutely hate it at our place, Cables everywhere Jack. What
happens if someone pops over for a cup of tea? Look,
I do have a kettle, but it's just like a
kettle you'd seen Victorian England. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful object,
but it's one that you have to put on the element.
So you've got to fill it up with water and
then go and put it on the element. So it

(07:15):
takes like five or six minutes. I've actually got the
kettle's got one of the little whistles as well, So
they're saying, you know it's boiling. You see see deep down,
I'm actually just eighty five years old at heart. That's
the truth of the matter. Jack, life is about to change.
You will not have twelve minutes to watch water boil
very soon, says Karen, and Die agrees Jack. With a

(07:36):
baby on the way, you'll quickly discover hot water kettle's
random gadge. It's designated counter space for baby stuff, let
alone a new coffee machine. Thank you for you messages
ninety two ninety two. I'll get to more of those
very shortly. Kevin Milne is with us this morning. Kill
to Kevin.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Kyoto, Jack, if you're going to ask the same question
about the water joke. But now I see what you're doing.
It just it seems a waste of energy that you'd
spend so time, so much time to heat up the water.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
I just I just don't like thet off an electric
kettle on the bench. I know, I know, there's absolutely ridiculous.
I can hear how pretentious that sounds, and trust me,
and my wife was infuriated about the situation. But I've
held on for this long. I just I think I
like the process. And when you think about what why

(08:23):
you have a why you have a kettle, it's usually
to make a hot drink, and the hot drink is
usually there's something you like, you're kind of you're grounding yourself,
or you're relaxing, or you're starting the day. There's always
a kind of ritual or routine involved in that, isn't there?
So you know, maybe actually boiling the water going through
the process is a good thing.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
I don't know, Kevin. Maybe I'm stretching here. Maybe I'm
stretching just a little bit. Come back to me in
twelve months and things can be very different at my place.
But speaking of making things easier at home, Kevin, you
have discovered this week that you are entitled to free
home help.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
How come Jack?

Speaker 6 (08:58):
Way back in the nineteen seventies, along with thousands of
other kiwis my age, I was called up to do
the three month compulsory military This, it turns out, qualifies
qualifies me for what's called service membership of the RSA,
as opposed to returns membership for those who've served overseas

(09:20):
service membership, but I've discovered that because I did compulsory
military training before nineteen seventy four, it now qualifies me
for the Veteran's Independence Program VIP, which is free support
to remain independent in my own home.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I don't have to have any.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
Military related conditions, and the VIP service is not means tested.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
What does it offer? The RSA says the most popular
free services.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
Are lawn mowing and gardening, gutter cleaning on the roof,
home help up to two hours a week per dietary
so I can get the toenail's Cutjack, house and path washing,
external window cleaning, and metal and smoke alarms. Don't be
a hero, the RSA says in its documents, I fall

(10:13):
from a ladder when trying to clean the gutters. Is
not a good option at any age, and all these
services remain available to my wife for a year after
I die. The question I'm asking myself Jack, is would
one be a cad to take up the RSA up
on any of this, given that I can afford to

(10:34):
do it myself, and the nearest I came to facing
the enemy was reading war comics and the All Ranks
mess at Burnham. How would you feel Jack, if the
poppy you bought on Anzac Day went towards my getting
mytonal's cut. Before I outrage all our listeners, let me
say I have no intention at the slage anyway of

(10:58):
availing myself of any of these free services. But I
bet there are loads of listeners out there who did
con bulse me military training now thinking I amend at
this compulsory military training was a bloody nuisance. They can
come and cut the lawns for a few years.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
So how long was your compulsory military training? Can you remember?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Three months? Three months? They passed.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
A two week camp every week year after that for
three years.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
It's not nothing. It's quite a big commitment.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, but I didn't I didn't want to do it.
I like it. I was to do it, yeah, And
and honestly it's kind of.

Speaker 6 (11:41):
I just I just think that this compensation, at this
end of my life should only be available to return servicemen.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, it does. It does seem like it's a in
some ways that it's a generous offering. Although you know,
there are probably people who you know aren't necessarily in
as fortunate position as you. For him, it does make
a big difference given. But yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
I agree, I agree, but I still don't think that
that I agree, and and and and.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Good on them.

Speaker 6 (12:10):
But I think that the money you want to be
going to the people who have got injuries or other
other health issues who went out to fight the war
for us.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, that's right. You want to see them prioritized, wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
You not people who just spent three spent three months
at you.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Know, reading comics, Yeah reading.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, well I wasn't reading comics all day. I was
doing other useless things.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
But yeah, that I certainly didn't face the enemy apart
from down at the rifle range where there was a
there was a mock up of a German running at me.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, No, I'm glad that for now you've
decided not to take it. How did you find out
that you were eligible?

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I've just joined up with my local.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
You see a lot of the arisas are turning into
quite quite fancy little clubs around the country, and I've
just joined.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
I've just joined my.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
Local one because it's got a good little cafe and
all that.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
And I was going through the I was going.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Through this sort of the RSA material to find out
just what I could get out of, what I have
to pay, what I don't and all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
And yeah, I got the reading it. I was astonished.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Really, yeah it is.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
I'm not saying I won't use it at one time.
I'm a live but sure, hell I won't be using
it for a long time yet.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, yeah, Hey, do you have a coffee machine at home?

Speaker 7 (13:34):
No?

Speaker 6 (13:34):
I don't. Don't for quite a different reason to you.
I love going out for coffee and getting really good.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Coffee both giving Yeah, you know, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I want to get out of the house. I don't
want reasons to stay in it.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, right, right, fair enough to Hey, thank you, I'm
lovely to chat as per And yeah, I had absolutely
no idea given. So you've certainly taught me something this morning.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
I'm with you when it comes to making coffee on
the stovetop pot have done for years. I'm seventy seven.
How do you get the coffee to froth? I've even
bought a special pot that's supposed to froth the coffee.
How do you do it? If you get it off
at the right time, and you put it at the
right heat, then you get a little crema on the top.
That's what I find Jack. Do not be corrupted, says
John Italian stove tops rock, especially the stainless steel ones.

(14:24):
Do not get complicated with a rocket ship. If you
want your coffee fast, just get an induction. You're cool.
As far as I'm concerned, traditional ways matter, Thank you,
John ninety two, ninety two. If you want to send
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seven minutes past nine and you REJECTAI on news Talk
seed B. Now, I've just gone up and looked at
the Veterans Affairs website just I want to be double
shore because so something was just nagging me in the
back of my mind. So I I understand it. Kevin's
VIP program has been suspended for new clients who don't
have a service related condition at least until March of

(16:15):
this year. So I know Kevin wasn't intending on taking
it anyway, but my understanding is that yeah, unless he
unless he had a service related condition, that program has
been suspended at least for the time being because they
want to prioritize giving those services to people who have
a service related condition. I'm not absolutely one hundred percent
sure on that's how things stand, but that's what it
says on the Veterans Independence Program website for the time being. Anyway, Hey,

(16:40):
thank you for your texts and emails this morning. We
have had so many regarding clutter on bench tops and
coffee makers. Juliusys Jack moved into my new apartment within
which has an induction cooktop. I boil my water on
the stove now with a whistling kettle. It boils quicker
than with an e kettle and uses less power. Everyone

(17:00):
I've had stay with me from Europe doesn't understand the
electric kettle. It's a Southern Hemisphere thing apparently, is it really?
I mean it's hardly like, you know, like the absolute
pinnacle of modern technology isn't an electric kettle. But still,
I didn't know it was a kind of a geographic
thing like that. But thank you, Julie. I'm learning ninety

(17:21):
two ninety two. If you want to send us a message,
how Sporto Andrew Savill is with us this morning. I
can imagine he's a man who has very particular ways
around the house. You'd have a big, fancy chrome espresso
maker yourself.

Speaker 8 (17:33):
No, no, I don't have time to make around with
stuff like that, Jack.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
So how do you have a coffee in the morning?
How do you make.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
Well?

Speaker 8 (17:41):
I was listening to your comments this morning and I
was choking on my black instant.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Ah keV, Are you serious?

Speaker 7 (17:51):
Yeah, I'm serious.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
You have instant? I see I reckon coffee of the day,
but not finely.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
But yeah, I do enjoy purchasing the odd coffee out
and about, but the black instant gets me going in
the morning. An electric kettle a very stock standard. I
think the kettle was more British thing, wasn't it, and
then it obviously got passed down to Australia New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I think we say what as in the as in
the electric.

Speaker 7 (18:16):
Version or the electric kettle? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Do you say, do you say a juggling? I would
say almost say an electric jug? But then what I
have as a kettle?

Speaker 7 (18:26):
Right, I was raised as a kid than we called
it the jug.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Put the jug on, yeah, put the jug on?

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (18:33):
But maybe different parts of the country.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, these are the issues are that will find you
must go further into this, Yes, yes, very much. So, Hey,
I'm glad that they're going ahead with the Commonwealth Games
next year. They've paired it right back ay, so fewer events.
They're kind of focusing on the ones that they in
Glasgow already have. The kind of the infrastructure for the

(18:55):
fifteen hundred meters has been replaced with the mile.

Speaker 7 (18:58):
Mm hmm, and that's great news your ten sports.

Speaker 8 (19:01):
Excuse me, there'll be more swimming and interesting thing is, yes,
reduced to ten sports, but there'll be more swimming and
track cycling medals handed out than ever before. So I
think the organizer thought, well, these swimming sessions are popular.
Track cycling of course in Britain and Scotland's very popular,
so let's add a few extra events there. I'm still

(19:22):
surprised a couple of sports like boxing and judo are
in there. Netball good to see, and there are going
to be quite a large amount of power golds handed
out as well, which again is good to see. Loving
the mile, it was last run at the Common Games
in nineteen sixty six. There was the famous Miracle Mile

(19:46):
at the fifty four Games when Roger Banister competed in
Madam won it a couple of months after becoming.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
The first man to go under four minutes. So there's a.

Speaker 8 (19:56):
Lot of Commonwealth Games history with the mile, and more
so for New Zealand as well. I think next year
we've got a great band of New Zealand middle distance
runners coming through, so I'd expect to see two or
three Kiwis in the in the in the finals next
year in Glasgow. Will will these games carry on long term?

(20:18):
That's the big, big question. Still costs a lot to
run them, but at least Glasgow put its hand up
and we are going to have the games next year.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Tell you what, this mega NBA trade is a game changer, right,
incredible announcement in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:38):
I couldn't believe it when I saw it.

Speaker 8 (20:39):
I thought, oh no, no, someone's on social media having
everybody on. But Luca don Rather, who was the superstar,
super superstar.

Speaker 7 (20:48):
Of the Dallas Mavericks, traded to the La Lakers.

Speaker 8 (20:52):
Now that is a superstar team of course, with Lebron
at the helm and the old days of Magic Johnson
and co. The Mavericks saying that don Chic was unfit
and often injured, but still one of the best if
not the best guards in the NBA. He was due
for a five hundred million dollar upgrade, which clearly Dallas

(21:19):
didn't want to pay, sort of traded him and flicked
him on, and someone else will have to pay.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
I don't think that much, but they're going to have
to pay Don chic a new deal.

Speaker 8 (21:28):
There has been taught that Steven Adams ye would be
next to be traded to the LA Lakers, and they
wouldn't that be fantastic for the Kiwi to play alongside
two massive megastars of basketball four The famous LA Lakers
haven't heard too much the last twenty four hours, but
could still be a goer.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, yeah, I guess there's another week or soway that
that could be happening. So we'll watch that space if
it is good seeing Steven Adams kind of over his
injury for the first time in a week. While I
presume that having Don chicchen there are two means that.
I mean, Lebron James is forty now, and he looks
great for forty obviously, but he's probably that his NBA
career is probably in its twilight the least, So yeah,

(22:07):
we'll watch this space, thank you very much. Sir, we
will let you get back to your black death. You
free your freeze dry and starts in the morning and
catching it very soon. Our Sporto Andrew Savill Jack and
Aero Press is the answer. You still need the jug,
but it saves all the fair thing about good coffee
hot water too easy. Ah yep, no, I'm I'm open minded.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
I also recently considered buying a Flash Harry espresso machine,
but I discarded that idea after careful consideration and relevant
thro I received from family members who have the big
flash machines. I'm sticking with the tried and true, trusted
stovetop espresso maker. So just know this weekend you are
not alone. Thank you for your reassuring words. Ninety two.

(22:53):
Ninety two is the text number twenty five to ten
on news talks. He'd be your film picks for this weekend.

Speaker 9 (22:58):
Next that is Charlie XYX.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
She wowed the crowds at Laane Way on White Tangy
Day this week. They had thousands of lame Way, all
the cool kids. We're there. A great day for it,
great conditions as well. The sound of lame Way been
blasted across the city. Fantastic to see. Right now, it's
twenty three minutes to ten on your Saturday morning, and
time to get your film pictures this weekend. Francisca Rudkin,

(23:38):
our film reviewer, is here with us this morning. Francisca,
before we dive into the films, have you seen the
new Jurassic Park trailer? No, I haven't, ah, I see,
I love it. I love the og Jurassic Park. Some
of the you know, I know, it's got like a
gazillion sequels these days. They've just done the in you know,
I can take a leave some of those sequels, but
they've just released a new one which has Scarlett Johansson,

(23:59):
isn't it and Jonathan Bailey who was in Wicked as well. Anyway,
they've only released it like last night. It's haid like
thirty minute.

Speaker 7 (24:08):
Yeah box, I think yesterday.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, it does look good. I mean it looks Jurassic parky.
I don't want to give too much away, but I
think there are going to be people being chased by dinosaurs. Yeah,
only a hunt. Anyway, Let's talk about two films that
are out. We're not just waiting on their trailers's ever.
Listen first of all, to a new kind of horror
psychological film. This is presence.

Speaker 10 (24:33):
You have a presence here.

Speaker 11 (24:36):
It's trying to figure you out, it's trying to connect
to you.

Speaker 10 (24:43):
I'm it's suffering just like you are.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Okay, that's presence is definitely stripped back, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (24:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (24:57):
So this is a film by Steven Soderberg, who I
really love. I can remember jacksoning the first film that
he released in nineteen eighty nine called Sex Lies and Video,
and I remember thinking at the time, oh, Okay, this
guy is really interesting. He's very open to finding quite
experimental ways to telling stories, and he's had an incredibly

(25:17):
prolific career. But you knew early on that he was
always going to be quite creative in the way he
told stories. And he's been a bit of a renegade
throughout his career as well, really sort of rallying against
the studio system, even though he's also very much been
part of it. You know, he was behind the Oceans
of Eleven and Magic Mic franchises. So he's kind of

(25:37):
fluctuated throughout his career of art house and interesting and unique,
and then also been able to put together an incredibly
entertaining and fun mainstream film. In twenty twelve he retired.
He said, I'm done. I am done with Hollywood. Hollywood
treats directors, the Hollywood system treats directors really badly. Movies

(25:58):
don't matter anymore. All the creativity is within TV. And
actually I think we'd all agree. You know, television has
become you know, you'll see all the stars starring in
TV shows, you know who would once upon a time
only never done films. So he did have a point there,
but he couldn't help him south and he started making
films again in twenty sixteen, and I'm pleased he has.
But this presence is being touted as an art house

(26:21):
horror film.

Speaker 14 (26:22):
But it's not scary, it's not.

Speaker 13 (26:26):
It's more sort of gently unnerving, I would say, as
a bit of a psychological horror. And when it when
it begins the you immediately notice that, yes, once again,
he's taken quite a creative approach to telling this story
about a family, dysfunctional family falling apart. The camera floats
and it looks quite low fig and quite simplistic, and

(26:50):
the entire film is set within one location, within a house,
a family home, and the gimmick behind this is that
this camera, which floats in and out of rooms and
a sort of part of the conversation things, is actually
the fifth character. It is a ghost. It is a
presence which is watching this family. So we watch this
family unravel from this ghost who occasionally also interferes in

(27:12):
their life but also sort of stands back in things.
It's quite a clear idea. I didn't think the script
was as sharp as it could have been, and I
think it relies too much on a shock ending to
kind of draw you in, which is.

Speaker 14 (27:24):
A little bit late.

Speaker 13 (27:25):
But what, as I say, always worth taking a look
at Stephen Soderberg film because he just does things a
little bit differently.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, that's the way. That's the thing. It sounds interesting
at the very least.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Okay, so that's called Presence. That's out now. Next up,
something completely different. Let's have listened to Alien Weaponry Quotada.

Speaker 15 (27:48):
They're going to be playing at the biggest metal festival
in the world.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
I'm sure I'll cry.

Speaker 10 (27:53):
Heavy metal band makes mum cry.

Speaker 11 (27:55):
Yeah, the album's had over a million strength number one.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Museum and.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
The Hills are alive with the sound of music.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
But not as you know.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
This is a new Zealand documentary Alien Weaponrytiata tell us
about it.

Speaker 13 (28:13):
I love this documentary. I am not into thrash metal jack.
That may come as a surprise to you. It's not
a genre I listen to very often. So I think
when you find yourself fully absorbed in a documentary about
a fresh a thrash metal band, it tells you that
it's a great documentary, this with a good story to tell.

(28:36):
And this follows these two Northland brothers, Henry and Lewis
Deong and.

Speaker 14 (28:41):
They are probably.

Speaker 13 (28:44):
At present one of our biggest New Zealand bands.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Really, they are definitely massive.

Speaker 13 (28:50):
And they became massive when they were just sixteen and
eighteen years old. And we follow them when they're pretty
much well one of them had been to Australia, but
they're really leaving New Zealand for the first time and
they're heading off to Europe to perform in the biggest
metal festivals in the world World Metal Days, and they
appear at Varkin and things, and they go off on
this three month trip and we in a way it's

(29:16):
a coming.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
Of age story.

Speaker 13 (29:18):
So we watch these two brothers who are not ordinary teenagers,
they are quite extraordinary musicians. Who are becoming huge Weld famous.
But we watch them go on this first tour and
you know, they go through the drama of one of
their Ethan, their sort of third bandmate, decides that this
life for him at such a young age isn't quite
right and he leaves and we watch, you know, his

(29:42):
parents are with him, who are amazingly supportive, but they're
trying to juggle that whole act of being very protective
and nurturing their kids. They're managing them and helping them,
but also and you know, trying to protect them in
this very adult world, but also aware of the fact
that they are growing up and they're going to need
to make their own decisions and they're going to need
to step back. So it's this film about family and

(30:02):
these two siblings. There's some there's some hilarious They probably
don't the hilarious scenes of the two of them sort
of rung about nothing, just as only siblings can. So
they capture all this, and they capture the pressure that
they're under, not just you know, as siblings, but they're
in business together. This is their careers. They take it

(30:25):
really seriously. They work really hard, So it's not just
about family. It's about this band who's singing to now,
who are taking sort of Mari culture of the world
and it has been you know, lapped up. It's about
them dealing with the success at such a young age.
It's about looking at their work ethic. It's it really
is fabulous. I really enjoyed this film. You've probably you've

(30:49):
probably never heard of this band, but they are potentially
going to be one of our biggest exports ever. So
I would say, even if you don't like metal at
some point, try and cats on cinemas, but try and
capture this film and so that you know in the
future you will be able to But I know all
about them, and I just want to say one thing
very quickly. This weekend there's probably a whole lot of
parents who are traveling the country, slightly emotional taking their

(31:11):
children to university and getting putting them into halls and things.
And there was a lovely line at the end of
the film at one of the boys twenty first we
get her Deyong, the boy's mum. She stands up to
give a speech and she says at the beginning of
the speech, she says, you know, as a parent, it's
my job to give my children roots and then it's
my job to give them wings. And I just want
to leave that with all the emotional parents out there

(31:33):
who are very upset about losing losing a child.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Lovely at our house, yeah.

Speaker 13 (31:39):
Jack, and she gave me great solace. I thought, I'm
taking that. There you go, off, you go.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
That's so lovely. That is really lovely. Yeah, hey, thank you.
So that's alien Weaponry Court Tukutiata. That is a Kiwi documentary.
Francesca's first film is Presence and both of those will
of course be on the NEWSTALKSZ'DB website.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
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Speaker 3 (32:07):
Twelve minutes two ten on news talks, he'd B. If
you just fancy a nice weekend sitting on the couch
after ten o'clock this morning, If those film picks men
enough to pique your interest, I'm going to tell you
about the brand new series from Miriam Margalis. Miriam Marghli's
in New Zealand. You know how she did the thing
in Australia and it's just so so good. She's such
a character. Tomorrow is the first episode of Mariam Marghlei's

(32:30):
in New Zealand, so I'm going to give you all
the details on where you can see that after ten
o'clock this morning. Right now, though, it's time to catch
up with our cook Nicki Wicks, who is celebrating the
long White tonguey weekend more dinner.

Speaker 14 (32:42):
Yes, for many people, I think they took Friday off.
So this weekend just keeps giving and giving and giving.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
It does. It's very much a you know, a kind
of a barbecue weekend, like Francisca was saying, it's a
weekend where lots of university students are heading off a
bit of a weekend to socialize, I think as well.
And the weather is looking pretty good all over the place.
So this morning you have your top tips on absolutely
nailing a platter.

Speaker 14 (33:07):
A platter. Look, I love a pleatter so much. They did.
Used to be called cheeseboards, but now everyone throws everything
at them. And in fact, for a while there we
had this phase of grazing platters.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Did you mention to well, I saw that it was
a trend because everyone was daunting. Yeah, everyone put some
of these ridiculous. It sort of looks like a dare
I say, like a like a sort of Roman orgy
or something. It's ridiculous, you know what I mean, Like
these absolutely ridiculous kind of spreads of things. They do
look very attractive on Instagram and that kind of thing.
And you know you yeah, yes, exactly.

Speaker 14 (33:45):
And yes, and when you just said that that they
reminded you of something Roman I thought of. Yes, there's
never enough space on the thread, so it all becomes
a bit of a train wreck in the end.

Speaker 9 (33:57):
So I like to.

Speaker 14 (33:57):
Keep things really simple and don't be daunted by what
you're seeing online. I'm honestly about the fact that I
don't think people should throw everything out them That's my
first tip, and my second biggest tip really is to
don't just buy all the stuff from the Dolli section,
because then anyone can do that actually makes some things
for your platter, because that truly elevates them and makes

(34:19):
them feel very personalized, and you'll really have people saying, oh,
distinguishes it does, rather than just cracking open the dips
or cracking open some Dolly meats or something like that.
So look, this week, I have got First of all,
I think you should have a balance of sweet, salty,
all that sort of thing on your platter. So I've
got roasted grapes on mine, and I'm really going to

(34:40):
encourage people to try this. Grapes are so absolutely fantastic
because they last forever in the fridge. I discovered when
I did a job for some grapes people earlier on
this year. I mean literally six weeks later, I still
had grapes. They were slightly shriveled. So through them in
the oven on say one to eighty degrees, and just
make sure that they're brushed with a little bit of oil.
You can then sprinkle them with a little bit of salt,

(35:02):
and I see salts gray and then they just go
in on a line lines train and cook for about
twenty to thirty minutes jack and they just become sort
of jammy and caramelized and roasted. They're beautiful. Sprinkle over
a little bit of thyme or rosemar if you want
to do that, and then when they come out, really
great to drizzle over a little bit of honey as well,

(35:23):
so that sweet kind of salty thing going on, and
they're so good on a cracker with some blue cheese
or something you won't know yourself. And whenever I do this,
you know, with the rose grapes, people are always saying,
oh my god, these are amazing, and they're so simple
it's embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, I don't think i've either. I don't think I've
ever eaten roasted grape. Oh maybe like weirdly, maybe in
like a chicken dish or something, you know, like and
like Morocco or something. Yeah, vetnameat h yeah, or.

Speaker 14 (35:51):
Even Vietnam does a lot of Actually, there's a beautiful
or is it a tie curry? A red tie curry
often ares big red grapes in it, and that's fantastic.
So there you guys, I really they go, they go,
well caught. My second, my second very you know quick
dip is it's a smoked salmon dip.

Speaker 16 (36:08):
But you know, in these.

Speaker 14 (36:09):
Austere times, there's no way I'm buying smoked salmon to
put with cream cheese. So what I do is I
buy a tin of smoked salmon. So I don't just
mean a tin of salmon jack. If you look closely,
some of them are naturally smoked. And if you throw
that in with some cream cheese. So drain the tin
a little bit if you need to, of salmon, and
then one hundred and fifty grams of cream cheese, two

(36:32):
tablespoons of finely chopped chives or parsley or whatever you
could use, a really decent squeeze of lemon juice. Throw
it all in a food processor and you've no idea.
It just is so smoky and fantastic, and nobody will
know that you did not use old raki smoked salmon.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
And it's so fancy, like I say, when you do
it yourself at this extra kind of dynamic. Yeah, okay,
that's fantastic. I know You've got one more. You've got
one more for us, a baked breeze. So what I'm
going to do is I'm going to put that one
on the news talks HEB website news talks heb dot
co dot nz, alongside your cheets, smoked salmon and chiveed
dip and those roasted grapes, which sounds superb. Thank you
so much, Nicki. We will catch again next week. Nicki

(37:09):
wicks our cook there right now at seven to ten.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to us.
Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and vpure dot co dot
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Speaker 3 (37:21):
I'd be We have had so many text and emails
this hour regarding coffee machines. Should you or shouldn't you
buy one of the big fancy espresso machines. Yes, it's
a bit of clutter on the kitchen bench, but it
does make coffee that's beautiful. These days, Jane says Jack.
During the working week, I have one coffee a day.
When the price hit five bucks though at my local cafe,

(37:41):
I decided I was not prepared to pay thirty five
dollars a week. Well, it's just twenty five dollars a
week if you're working five days, Jane. But knowing you,
you're a hard worker. Anyway, I bought a discreet, little
in espresso machine, she says, and I absolutely love it.
Consistent flavorful coffee every time, having purchased Cafe Coffee in
eighteen months and have saved heaps while enjoying my morning brew.
Thank you very much, Jane, appreciate that. Ninety two ninety

(38:03):
two If you want to send us a message this
morning Jacket News Talks. He dot cod on in zed
right after the ten o'clock news. Cannot wait for this.
New Zealand's Theater Royalty, the JANEB, jay Z and Beyonce
of New Zealand Theater. We've decided they are this morning.
Jennifer Ward Leland and Michael Hurst are going to be
with us. They had this amazing show and other words
that were sold out during its Auckland season last year.

(38:26):
Now great news if you're in a different part of
New Zealand. They're going to be taking it on the
road throughout altat or So. They're going to be with
us right after the ten am news. It's almost ten o'clock.
Though it is Saturday morning. It is whiteangy Weekend twenty
twenty five. I'm Jack Tame News is next on Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
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Speaker 3 (39:01):
EDB and a good morning you were Jack taimone New Storks.

(39:26):
He'd be through the midday. Jennifer Ward Leland and Michael
Hurst have acting resumes that range from pimps to politicians.
The animated version. It's a good thing, guys, It's not
a bad thing. Yeah, yeah, I should have said politicians
to pimps. I'm not sure which is better or worse.
Two animated versions of Buzzy b They've been a countless

(39:48):
productions together, but it had never been just the two
of them on stage until their most recent stage work
In other Words. In the show, Jennifer and Michael play
a married couple dealing with the onset of Alzheimer's. It
had a sold out run in Auckland last year, a
massive response and fantastic news. Jennifer and Michael are now
taking in other Words nationwide and they are with us

(40:10):
in person in studio this morning. Held accord to it
great to see. It is a great pleasure to be
speaking with you. And like I say, I know when
Other Words showed at Q Theater in Auckland, there was
just a huge response, sold out shows everywhere, So people
are going to be delighted to know that it's going
on the road.

Speaker 12 (40:28):
Yeah, we're really thrilled to be doing this. I think
it was one of the when I say, the naisiest audience,
So I mean that in the very best way, because
while we were performing, we were often hearing them going yep, yes, oh, yeah,
because I don't think there's one new Zealander who hasn't
had well, it would be rare to find a new
Zealander who hasn't had some connection in some way to
some either member of their FARO or friends or friends

(40:51):
of friends who've experienced dementia in and.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
This is the thing because it's in some respects it's
a heavy subject, but in other respects, like it strikes
me that it is kind of this weird sort of
taboo in that it feels like given the impact it
has on people's lives, and like you say, kind of
everyone's lives, including mine and including yours. I'm sure we're

(41:14):
not we kind of don't confront it, maybe as you
might think.

Speaker 17 (41:18):
I wouldn't call it it is a it is kind
of a sad or this play isn't like that.

Speaker 16 (41:23):
It's it's certainly, but it's.

Speaker 17 (41:25):
Levity and uplifting and human condition and caring and all
of those things and music, so all of those things
which are part of the dealing of it.

Speaker 12 (41:36):
Yes, but I think what you're you're right there, Jack,
in that what is unspoken, I think is the work
of the caregivers quiet one. And we don't hear about
that much, and that's that's often the loved one, the
partner who's actually bearing the brunt of that muhy, which
is unpaid, yeah, most of the time, unless somebody has
got to the stage where they need to be in

(41:58):
care demension in it or something like that. So for
this couple, Jane and Arthur, of course, you know, they've
been together a long time, they know each other well,
and then Michael's character starts developing these symptoms and you know,
you you sort of brush it off with, oh, it's
just you know, old age, you know, forgetfulness, all of

(42:19):
those kind of things, until finally they get a diagnosis.
The beautiful thing about the players we step out of ours.
The characters kind of step out of the scenes and
talk directly to the audience saying things like, you know,
I didn't know what was wrong. I thought he thought
he had the flu.

Speaker 16 (42:34):
I thought I had the flu.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, you know, you know, it's very much like that.

Speaker 12 (42:37):
So I think the audience feel very brought into the whole,
very included in the whole production.

Speaker 17 (42:43):
And also that does work as a sort of a
left out from the real, you know, the.

Speaker 16 (42:49):
Tough stuff of what it is.

Speaker 12 (42:52):
And you can, and I know people experience when their
loved ones have has dementia. There are all sorts of
different kinds, we know that. And sometimes you can have
a complete personality change, getting aggressive, sometimes it's very sweet,
just confused, all of those things. And this play kind
of shows all of those things in a very tight

(43:13):
sort of just over an hour of performance. And it's
a really incredibly satisfying to perform. And as I said before,
the feedback that we've had from people has been really
really humbling. So it's a really humbling play to do.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
And yeah, it's it's not often that you you think
about audiences literally verbally agreeing yeah, exactly with the performance.

Speaker 12 (43:38):
Yes, And I've had women after, you know, waiting for
me after the show saying, I'm you know, character is
me right now, and I'll just give them a hug,
because boy, it must be tough.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Were you surprised by them, Michael, not so much surprise.

Speaker 17 (43:53):
Well, you know, you like it when people react in
an audience because if they're listening, reactioning, reacting is good,
you know, in this you know, I mean in a way,
I'd be surprised now if they didn't the one you know,
I'd say something like, so I went to the shops
to buy the the the the the items, and and

(44:13):
you'd hear people go because they know this is a
little start, so it becomes an organic part of the performance.

Speaker 16 (44:22):
Actually, I think.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Has it made you? Has it made you reconsider your
own kind of views on Alzheimer's and dementia at all?
If you go to the store, Absolutely, you examined it.

Speaker 16 (44:38):
I have found I've been examining everything.

Speaker 17 (44:41):
And then you know, like as Jennifer said, you go, oh, no,
it's just it's just I remember all sorts of lines.

Speaker 16 (44:47):
It's just me getting older. And then you go, what
is that word?

Speaker 7 (44:50):
What?

Speaker 16 (44:51):
Leave until I've got the word?

Speaker 12 (44:52):
Or and I think you know that. One of the
other interesting things about actually learning the words was.

Speaker 16 (45:00):
In the script.

Speaker 12 (45:02):
Learning the script is in one particular scene, they are
talking at cross purpose because what he's hearing is not
what I'm saying. And that was really tricky to learn.
And we're, you know, quite good swats learning. We're been
doing it for a long time. And you know, you
have to download a book into your head and then
the next play comes along, you get rid of that
book and down with the next one, But with this one,

(45:23):
I was going, why is this so hard? And I
realized it's because there was no natural purposely in the script.
There was no natural follow on.

Speaker 16 (45:30):
There was no you know you were connections.

Speaker 12 (45:33):
The connections were so different because these people are connecting
differently but woven through. And why the play is called
in other words, of course, is the music of Frank
Sinatra and this couple meet over one particular song and
have that zing in one particular song. So every time
that things get bad.

Speaker 16 (45:54):
Or Arthur is sis or something.

Speaker 12 (45:58):
Having an episode, the music exactly attached and it brings
them back to love to each other. So ultimately it's
full of love and hope in what is a very
long goodbye. I think this disease.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
I'm sure everyone always says, oh, what's performing together? So
I'm not going to go there. It's a question, well
give it get instead. What is the best thing about
performing together and what is the hardest thing?

Speaker 12 (46:27):
The best thing is that we have an innate trust
with each other as performers. We trained in a similar way.
We have a shorthand we can dissect things if they're
not working, and we can fix it pretty quickly. And
I think he's a great actor, so that's the best
thing for me.

Speaker 16 (46:44):
Yeah, I mean, I'd agree with most of that. I
am a great.

Speaker 7 (46:51):
One.

Speaker 17 (46:51):
Good thing about this one, though, is because of the
nature of the couple, you know, habits of a long relationship.
It's funny to be on stage and be behaving in
a way that you behaving at home, Like what do
you mean just to questioning like we normally did you
pay the bill at the bank?

Speaker 16 (47:09):
Heh God?

Speaker 12 (47:09):
I did that aligned to him at home when we
were rehearsing, and he thought it was real, And I said,
did you pay that?

Speaker 5 (47:16):
You know that?

Speaker 12 (47:16):
Did you talk to the bank about that?

Speaker 3 (47:17):
But we don't break out. I was doing exactly what
I do in the play.

Speaker 16 (47:21):
So that's I guess difficulty. I'm not sure if there
is a difficult thing particularly. I mean, you're a bit bossing.
But apart from that, you know.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
What about if you're like what about if you in
real life like grumpy at each other or something, and
then you would never bring.

Speaker 12 (47:37):
That on the stage.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yeah, No, no, no, of course not. But there must
be something.

Speaker 18 (47:42):
Is that hard?

Speaker 12 (47:43):
I think No, Look, I think the whole discipline of
when you arrive in the theater and you do your
you do your vocal warm up in your physical warm up,
and you get into your costume and do your hair
and makeup and stuff. All of that is leading to
your work on the stage.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
It's like a compartment. Absolutely.

Speaker 17 (48:00):
You know, if we were grumpy, and I'm not sure
that we have been particularly grumpy in this play, but
if we were you and say, look, one of us
would go, let's just get it. Acknowledge that and use
that as too, because we know that going on stage
was a pulman if he used to say, you've got
to get rid of the stink of the streets before
you go on to the stage, because you know, the

(48:21):
audience don't want to pay for They're not paying for that,
they're paying for what you do.

Speaker 12 (48:25):
Of course, yes, specific, and I also think we'ld be
kind of unprofessional to even doing that behavior before you
went on stage normally stay, yes, yes, I'm going I'm
going to throw you a bad queue.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, I'm going to be late in that queue.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (48:40):
No, But but people do ask us in forums about
how we can leave that the emotion of the piece,
how we can just go home and be normal, And
actually we're very good at that. And I think it's
I think we're quite robust actors and that we've been
doing that for many years. And so you do your work,
you leave it where it belongs, and then we can

(49:02):
pretty quickly, as I said, leave the stage and talk about,
oh we need to fix that or do this.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
So it doesn't make it harder to disconnect, because that
was my other question, like, you finish the finished performance
for the night, and whereas usually you might go home
and you know, and one of you has been performing, say,
and the other one hasn't, and you can go, Okay,
well you know he's haws you day blah blah blah.
When you both head exact the same kind of experience,
it's not harder to get in the car and then
think about it.

Speaker 17 (49:26):
I think it's pretty quick for us, you know, and
also remember we have gone through it and gotten rid
of the the way right literally. I mean I often
think about it about the kind of therapy nature of
all If I think of all the things I've had
to go through, all the deaths, all the times I've
literally been killed on stage, stabbed, strangled, beaten to death,

(49:48):
or you know, anything huge that you've gone through that
you kind of you go through them, and you bring
all those the simulacrum of all of those things that
would be if it was real, and your body goes
through it.

Speaker 16 (50:02):
So maybe there's a bit of that. Often it's a
physical tiredness, isn't it if you.

Speaker 12 (50:06):
Yes, yes, it's a bit like running a sort of
a marathon.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah right, I don't.

Speaker 16 (50:10):
I think it'd be something weird if you were. I
don't know. Some people carry it, some people do eat
their own.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Jennifer, I had to ask you about your eighteen months
or so now on the board of Thetota City, Yes,
the Marli Language Commission. How has it. How has it been?

Speaker 12 (50:27):
It's been wonderful because it's not the first. I've been
on a lot of boards before, but not a crown entity.
So I had to learn a lot of the the
acronyms and all of those kind of things, and just
learn how how we fit in the greater sort of
ecology of crown entities. But I have an an incredible

(50:50):
group of people on that board and I'm learning a lot,
and I think I'm much more settled in there now
than I was, you know, to say it like a
year or so ago. But of course we have a
big you know, we have a big fu fire in
front of us. You know, we've got we've got to
make sure that we keep those you know, seventy three
percent of New Zealanders value the Old Mary and three

(51:11):
Ol Mary, and we want to keep those numbers up.
And you know, I get concerned when things like the
three D settlements are in discussion that somehow this will.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Stop.

Speaker 12 (51:25):
I don't want it to stop. The wonderful trajectory that
we as New Zealanders are on. And certainly for me,
being on this journey learning three Ol Mary and being
part of that world is you know, it's made me
much more solid and in my own skin here in
this country. I stand in this country, my old my

(51:47):
New Zealand is so much more strongly than before I
started learning. So I hope that New Zealanders still keep
that value there and still understand that it's what makes
us unique. To have a living culture around us. Is
my hopes and dreams.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Anyway, I suspect I might not announce this. Are you
a three Metal fan?

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (52:08):
Are you talking about alien?

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Weaponry? Alien? We're talking about the documentary fourteen o'clock. Yeah,
But I'm dying it's sposually amazing. Yeah, so.

Speaker 12 (52:17):
I would say that's not my music of choice, however,
choice necessary. And I'm intrigued to see this documentary because
i think these young men are wonderful.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Yeah yeah, I did too that that they're incredible. So yeah,
that film sounds amazing as well. Thank you so much
for coming in guys. So in other words, is going
to be playing Kitty Kittys and playing Hamilton, Wellington, christ Church, Dunedin, Warnica,
Hastings and great news you're coming back to tam.

Speaker 12 (52:42):
All nights in Auckland do Q Theater eleventh and twelfth
of April.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Okay, so we will make sure that all of the
dates are up on the news talks all right, but
thank you so much. Wonderful to both. Yeah, fantastic Michael Hurst,
Jennifer ward Leland with us this morning. In other words,
touring altare right now. It is twenty one minutes past ten.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
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Speaker 3 (53:09):
Twenty three minutes past ten on News talks 'B before
eleven o'clock Rude Climb pasted. Our man in the garden
is going to be helping me out. I reckon I
can fairly be accused of abusing my position of power
by getting Rude on the show to help me out
with my various gardening issues, because there's certainly no end
of them. My latest one is I've got like those
those passion vine hoppers, you know, the fluffy bumps. They

(53:31):
are everywhere in my garden. I've taken to them with
a fly spray like Rude recommended. I've taken to them
with a knee oil like Rude recommended. I've still got
heaps of them. Those. So he's going to be with
us before eleven with tips on trying to expunge the
remainders from your backyard. Right now, though, it is time
for your screen time picks. Tara Ward is our screen
time expert. She's got three shows to recommend to us

(53:54):
this weekend. To Tara, good morning. Let's start off with
Miriam Marghalie. She's been in Australia now she is in
New Zealand. Miriam Margali's in New Zealand kicks off this weekend.

Speaker 19 (54:05):
Yeah, this is a new documentary series that starts Tomorrow Night,
and it's presented by the wonderful Mariam Margleys, who some
might know for her acting work on TV and films,
or from her appearances on The Great Norton Show, or
from her travel documentaries where she travels around Australia in
Scotland and a campa van and now she's in New Zealand.
She lives in Australia, but she's never been here before,

(54:28):
and she's curious to find out what makes us different
to Australia, what is the New Zealand identity? And so
she hires a camper van and drives around the country
and talks to different people about what it means to
them to be a New Zealander. And I love this
a lot, mostly because of Miriam Margley's who if you've
ever seen or heard an interview with her, she's very funny,

(54:49):
she's blunt, and she is honest, but she's also very
curious and interested and she's all of those things here
and I like that this is more than just your
typical travel documentary as well. It's much more thoughtful than that.
So she does go to Hobbiton and a Hurricanes rugby game,
but she also goes to the among A refugee resettlement center.

(55:09):
She meets a nun in Tyber monastery, She watches the
Black Friends Train. She meets a real variety of people
and she is genuinely interested in them and their stories.
So it's a lovely watch. It shows us who we
are in a lot of different ways. Episode one is
on tomorrow night. It's free to air on Sky Open
and it will also be streaming on Neon as well

(55:30):
from tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Fantastic. Yeah, really looking forward to that. She's such a
character but like you say, really kind of curious in
a non judgmental way, which I think, yeah, makes it
exactly Magic TV on Netflix, Apple Side of Vinegar.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (55:45):
This is a new Australian drama and it's inspired by
a true story about a woman named Bell Gibson who
in the twenty tens became known as this Instagram wellness guru.
She claims she has healed herself of cancer by using
different alternative therapies, and people believed her. They bought all
the things that she was set in the belief that

(56:08):
they too could be cured. The trouble was that Bell
Gibson was faking her illnesses. She did not have cancer,
and eventually she was found out and publicly exposed as
a scammer. And this series is about why Bell did this,
but it's also about the rise of social media and
influences and misinformation and how that form of media means

(56:30):
you can portray yourself in a certain way, and it's
hard to challenge that. Belle is played by Caitlin Deaver,
who is American, but who pulls off the most amazing
Australian accent I've heard on TV. It's pretty flawless, yet
he's incredible. And a couple of other things about this one.
This is a show that you have to concentrate on.
It's not quite sure how it wants to tell the story,

(56:53):
so there's lots of different voiceovers and time jumps, so
it can be quite confusing. And of course the other
thing is that there's a lot of medical treatments and
cancer related scenes in which may not be for everybody.
But Otherwiseness is a sharp, smart series. Some dry Australian
humor in here as well, and it's just about it.
Quite an unbelievable and quite a sad story as well.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yeah, okay, cool, that sounds interesting. Apple Side a Villiot
that's on Netflix and on Neon. You've got a couple
of seasons of Grace.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (57:22):
This is a new police drama. It's has come to Neon.
It's based on a series of books by Peter James
and has been adapted for TV by Russell Lewis, who's
written shows like Endeavor and Sharp and So if you
like those quieter kinds of crime dramas, I think you'll
like this as well. This is set in Brighton. It's
about a troubled police detective, because they are always troubled

(57:44):
police detective played by Johns whose wife went missing five
years ago. He is very talented at his job but
is still coming to terms with his wife's disappearance. In
the first series, he has to deal with the case
of a missing property developer. And it's a pretty formulaic,
reliable British police procedural. You know, there's no violence, it's

(58:05):
not particularly gritty. It's a pretty safe watch, pretty understated.
Johnson is great in this and there's lots of twist
and turns to keep you watching. I think it's one
for lovers of a British drama that appreciate more of
that quiet dialogue and slower pace rather than needing those
big stunts and actioncy.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Yeah, nice, Okay, that sounds good though. That's Grace. That's
on Neon. Apple Cider Vinegar is on Netflix, and Miriam
Margoli's in New Zealand is on Sky Open. It's seven
thirty Tomorrow night and streaming on Neon as well. We'll
have all the details for those shows on the News
Talks EDB website.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks EDB
SA Beyond.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
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Speaker 3 (59:11):
This is Nadia Reed. Beautiful ay ah, such a beautiful sound.
In case you weren't listening last Saturday morning, we missed you,
but Nardi was on the show talking about a new album.
The album is called interer Now Brightness. The song is
called call the Days and you might recognize it from
her debut, so that means she's been recording music for

(59:35):
more than a decade now. Anyway. Into Our Brightness is
her fourth album. She says this one feels a little
bit different, took her a couple of years to write
and represents a really big change in her life. She's
actually relocated from Port Charmers beautiful Port Charmers. Why anyone
will want to leave Port Charmers, I don't understand. But
in mind, she's moved to Manchester, she's had a second child,
and our music review at Estelle is gonna give us

(59:57):
her thoughts before midday on the album as a whole. Hey,
thank you so much for your feedback this morning. We
have had so many messages. I just get over the
whole of white tonguey chat and the Donald Trump chat
this week. I wanted to pontificate on coffee machines because
I have been kind of debating about whether or not
I should upgrade from my beautiful little Italian stove top,

(01:00:20):
very humble, very simple, little Italian stove top, little BEERLETTI
to one of those big, chrome, fancy espresso makers that
everyone seems to have these days. And for a couple
of reasons, I've been holding off. Number one, I don't
like clutter, so I don't like having anything electronic on
my kitchen bench top. I don't even have an electric

(01:00:40):
kettle at the moment, don't even have an electric joke.
The toaster lives in a drawer. That's how I kind
of ainla am on that front. But The other reason
is I just like the process of making coffee, and
I love the taste of my coffee. Anyway, Jack, I
totally agree with you regarding a clear bench top, says Joe. However,
I have an instant boiling hot water tap which takes

(01:01:02):
up no room, is unobtrusive, and the hot water is
available instantly, and I would now never be without it.
That does sound like a real luxury. That's when you
know you've got a fancy kitchen. It's like they have
them in some workplaces. It's like almost like a zip
but it's a tap, and often it has the filtered
cold water and the boiling hot water, so that is
very fancy. Indeed, Joe, I don't thin we could afford

(01:01:23):
one of those, Jack, says Alistair. Buying an expensive but
high quality coffee machine and grinder will set you back
approximately four thousand dollars. If you then only make your own,
say three a day today's average price of a breast
to coffee, you'll pay it off by savings in approximately
ten months. So buy twelve months interest free and you
for the win. I like the economics there, Alistair. Three

(01:01:46):
coffees a day on your machine? Is that realistic though,
I don't know if you're in a modern workplace, maybe
ninety two ninety two if you want to send us
a message, Jacket Newstek with HEIDB dot Co dot NZ
our texpert is in next. It's twenty five to eleven, putting.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
The tough questions to the newsmakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 20 (01:02:04):
Back to the Cooks and their big day out Beijing
as they inca deal that seems to suggest China's making
major in roads into the Pacific. Foreign Minister Winston Peters
is what this are we buying this out of proportion?
So they signed a deal with China, So what we
do business with China is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Really an issue.

Speaker 21 (01:02:17):
It was an issue to the extent that a number
of the constructions where the Chinese were involved in Cork
Glance have simply failed. I raised all this with Swannas
and Wan and he said, you're to get them fixed up.
But the reality is that Colgan people don't know what's
going on, and I am my government. I constantly required
to ensure we talk for them, to ensure that we
on the path and these on taxpayers know exactly what's

(01:02:38):
going on so that we are channels easy.

Speaker 20 (01:02:39):
On taxpayers back Monday from six am The Mike Asking
Breakfast with the Rain, drover of the last News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Twenty three minutes to eleven on News Talk zedb our
Textbert Paul Stenhouse is here with big news in the
world of relationship dating online. These days, tender wants you
to find the relationship you want. Big changes coming to
the dating platform.

Speaker 11 (01:03:01):
Yeah, it's been a while since probably either of us
have been on tender jack. So just to set the scene,
Tinder used to be the app where you were just
the profiles would pop up and you'd swipe through them
left and right, kind of almost at random, right, Like
I think there was some algorithm kind of there. But
did you know I didn't that Tinder also had an
explore page or has an explore page, So there were

(01:03:23):
interests on there like animal parents or gamers and things
like that, and you could kind of like start to
find people you might want to be in a relationship
with based on your interests. But now Tinder.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Jazz, So sorry, just to be clear on that that
you're still looking for you're still dating on that So
you're still dating, yeah, right, So I could say I'm
looking for people who are who love having a really
clear bench top. It's a niche. It's a niche. No,
but no, I couldn't. It wouldn't be nice. I could
say i'mulated playing for asbee or something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 11 (01:03:54):
Think it's even more curated than that, right, that just
put some random parameters in. If only you could get
that specific Yeah, I'm a night owl.

Speaker 14 (01:04:01):
I'm you know, yeah, that.

Speaker 11 (01:04:03):
Could be quite handy, but instead check They've put some
new ops in, which, let's just say, I think might
kind of change the game for Tinder because you can
now say the type of style of relationship you're looking for.
So there's now categories for serious datas people looking for
long term partners. Here's where it gets interesting, non monogamy

(01:04:27):
and my favorite short term fun.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Oh wow, okay, short term fun. Yes, yes, on Saturday
morning pool, here we go.

Speaker 11 (01:04:39):
I think that's like the most family friendly way.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Yes, we don't need to go into any more detail
on that front. Hey, the UK government is trying to
get eyes on iPhone users data. But here's the hook.
It doesn't matter where you live. Don't have to be
in the UK. They want that data.

Speaker 11 (01:04:57):
Yeah, yeah, New Zealand, the US doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
They want the data that.

Speaker 11 (01:05:02):
Apple has, and this is all happening in you know,
secret basically, and this we only know about it because
of reporting from the Washington Post, and the Post says
that the UK government's issued this secret order to Apple.
It all sounds very kind of spy movie ESQ.

Speaker 16 (01:05:18):
Doesn't it really.

Speaker 11 (01:05:19):
But Apple is basically being asked to give the UK
government there's backdoor into iCloud, which even covers the encrypted
data that you have in iCloud, because Apple gives you
an option to either store your data in iCloud unencrypted
or in a more secure encrypted way. And so that's

(01:05:40):
now what they want to get access to globally, which
is interesting. The encrypted piece is the most interesting obviously,
because if they can get in and break the encryption
with like a sort of secret key, there's a very
good chance that other governments are going to want that
as well. Apple has been very adamant that they're the
privacy company.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
You can store your data with us. It is safe.

Speaker 11 (01:06:04):
The US, like China would probably be wanting the same thing.
Apple has been saying no to those governments. But what's
also interesting about this is that the UK is kind
of alone when it comes to wanting to break into encryption.
As I mentioned, the US and China and other folks
have kind of wanted it, but in most recent times,
actually law enforcement in the US and Canada, in Australia

(01:06:27):
and New Zealand, they're actually now in favor of encryption
on these platforms.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:06:31):
The argument used to be, oh, it makes it easy
for terrorists and child abusers and other criminals to do
things in secret and we can't get in. But they're
now actually saying encrypt it because they want to stop
Chinese hackers.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Man, So what a turn of events.

Speaker 11 (01:06:45):
But no, this is all happening completely in secret and
is really one to watch. The hard part is that
under this law is actually an offense for Apple to
reveal that they've got this from the UK. And it's
also Apple doesn't need to notify anybody if they give
that Apple and then if they agree and also if they.

Speaker 14 (01:07:06):
Then give access to a user.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Wow, so I'm never going to know.

Speaker 11 (01:07:10):
So thanks Washington Post because that might be the only
way we knew that this was happening, or was going
to happen, or does happen.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Yeah, that is so interesting. Thank you, Paul. That is
Paul our texpert. You're fascinating how the UK has those
secrecy laws so they can stop any of that stuff
being reported. Really is quite remarkable. Fascinating times in which
we live. Before eleven o'clock, our man in the garden
with his tips on getting rid of a couple of
the common summer ailments that I'm sure aren't just affecting

(01:07:39):
things at my place. Next up, though, our personal finance
expert has some really simple saving hacks backed by sciences.

Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
No bitter way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack, Tay and bepwured
on code on enz for high quality Supplements used talksmb Well.

Speaker 22 (01:07:57):
The latest economic data was out this weekend. It priints
a pretty grim picture of economic activity in New Zealand
at the moment. I think a lot of us are
looking at any way to save a bob or two,
not just by avoiding splashy purchases like brand new chrome
coffee machines. But Ed McKnight, our money guy from Opie's Partners,

(01:08:17):
is here this morning with some saving tips backed by science.

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
Gotta Ed get a Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
It is start off with some mental accounting and there
are some kind of simple rules of threat thumb that
can actually work right.

Speaker 23 (01:08:31):
Yeah, well this is quite interesting because you often see
budgeting budgeting advice on TikTok, Instagram or even or news
talk said b as you sometimes want to do. These
tips really work, and so that's why I started digging
through the university papers to find these kind of science
based savings tips. And when it comes to mental accounting,
you offer hear of these rules of thumb, like you

(01:08:54):
should spend fifty percent of your money on your needs,
thirty percent of your money or once and twenty percent
on savings. And there's a really good book by the
Barefoot Investor out of Australia who's got some similar kind
of buckets about how you should split up your money. Now,
the question I had was does this really work? It
actually the ounces yes. There was some research out of

(01:09:15):
the University of Chicago an economists called Richard Salor, who's
absolute genius, and he found that if you follow some
of these simple mental rules of thumb, or what he
calls mental accounting, you do end up saving more. But
to do it the right way, what we've got to
do is we've got to split up our money into
different accounts.

Speaker 7 (01:09:35):
So Back in.

Speaker 23 (01:09:37):
Your oldie days, when you got paid at a little
brown paper envelope, people would split up their money into
those different envelopes and you'd have your food envelope and you, yeah,
whatever it was that you're spending money on, you'd have
different envelopes. And it turns out that actually works. And
in the modern day, if you get your pay in
and you have some automatic payments go out into whether

(01:09:57):
it's your needs account to or you want spank account
and your saving spank account, that actually works. People end
up saving ten percent more compared to if you just
had all your money in the wash.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Yeah, yeah, I see. That's so interesting. It's funny how
human nature works like that. But I've got a lot
of friends who budget that way and they say the
same thing. That really does if you have those different pots,
if you like, it does make a big difference. Another one,
another tip back by science that is kind of like
running a marathon in a way, is that instead of
focusing on big goals, you've got to break things down

(01:10:31):
into bite sized chunks.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:10:33):
This is fascinating because often people say, right, set a
big saving skull, get yourself excited, you know, I want
to save five grad this year, or I want to
save ted grad this year. Well, the research out of
a university in Texas, Rice University, says that's actually the
wrong way to go about it. And the reason is
if you set a big goal and say I would
to save five grad this year, there may be this

(01:10:54):
week or I won't save quite as much because I'll make.

Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
Up for it later.

Speaker 23 (01:10:58):
Yeah, but what actually works is if you just say, Okay,
five grad of the year is about one hundred bucks
a week, So I have just got to focus on
saving one hundred bucks a week. I'm not going to
focus on that big goal. It's just what do I
need to do this week, this fortnight, this month, depending
on when you actually get paid. And using something like
a habit tracker, whether it be I mean, there are

(01:11:20):
great ones out there for your iPhone, whether it's Progress
or habitafy Strides is another one. If you just say Okay,
I need to set one hundred dollars aside for the
next five weeks and see how I go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
That works.

Speaker 23 (01:11:32):
People end up saving eighty two percent more when they
do it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Wow, that's amazing. Okay, eighty two percent more is huge.
There's also the save more Tomorrow approach, which is like
a behavioral economics track.

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:11:47):
Now this is an interesting one which might seem counter
to the one we just talked about. But the idea
here is when you start out at a job, you're
not earning much, so it's really hard to save because
you're in come slow. And what these guys again, it
was out of the University of Chicago. What they did
is they went to a bunch of employers and they said,
next time you give any of your employees are pay,

(01:12:07):
offer the chance to put half of that pay rise
into savings. And every single time they get a pay rise,
say do you want to put half of that regularly
into savings? Well, blow me down. Four out of five
employees we'd offer this, sign up for it. At eighty
percent of the people who sign up and take this
approach stick with it for four years. The amazing thing

(01:12:28):
is this actually works on average. In their study, people
went from saving about four percent of their income to
fourteen percent of their income over that four year period,
so that one again definitely works.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Yeah, that's amazing. Okay, cool, thank you so much.

Speaker 10 (01:12:42):
Ed.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
We're going to put all of those tips up on
the news took z'b website. Our money guy there, ed
McKnight from Op's Partners, Rude Climb Past. Our man in
the garden is here helping me out next. Right now,
it's ten to eleven.

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Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Yeah, but that time to catch up with our man
in the garden. Rude climb past is here.

Speaker 11 (01:13:04):
What in a road.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
Jack you started it? Fashion vine hoppers?

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
I don't think I've ever seen so many of one
in sect in one space as the number of passion
vine hoppers at my place. They are just everywhere. It's
a proper like infestation levels.

Speaker 24 (01:13:25):
Yeah, but it's not really. It happens from time to time.
Some years are worse than others.

Speaker 5 (01:13:30):
But this is it.

Speaker 24 (01:13:30):
But you know, I've got good news and I've got
bad news. The bad news is, of course, you're far
too late to do anything about it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Brilliant, Okay, So I've just been That means basically the
last three weeks have just been totally yeah exactly.

Speaker 24 (01:13:44):
Well, we talked about, you know, when there were young
fluffy bumps to spray it straight in with something, But
that's in We're talking about September, October, November, that sort
of time. But anyway, what you can do now is
watch them lay eggs, because they'll start doing that very soon.
And I put some pictures on the on the website
to show you or show everybody what those eggs look like.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
They're usually on.

Speaker 24 (01:14:06):
Tendrils of all sorts of plants. And once you see those,
you can cut those off because you're prune in the
winter on autumn. Anyway, put them in the fireplace and
a way you go, that's the end of the eggs.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Okay, yeah, right, So I have been I mean I have.
I've used the fly spray as you suggested. I've also
used knee oil, but that's kind of too late for yeah, yeah, okay,
all right, Well here in next few weeks in Yep,
when it comes on my tomato plants, powdery mildew, I
know is always a bit of an issue. So I
managed to have one tomato plant got powder and mildew.

(01:14:41):
I tried to control it with a bit of a
copper spray and stuff. But the other tomato plant I've
managed to keep clear for the time being. But this
is obviously something that affects a lot of people as well.

Speaker 24 (01:14:51):
Absolutely, and there's a lot of hosts that get powdery mildew. Cucumbers,
pump can squash your name without drangers, beans, grapes, apples,
you name it. The idea is for you to actually
keep that spray up every two or three weeks because copper,
copper and sell from mixes are really good to stop
the boadymild you taking hold of your plants. And that

(01:15:13):
goes for all the things I mentioned, And this is
probably a good idea to keep it going. And seeing
that the copper and and the other things are actually organic,
you don't have any worries about plants that you harvest
your food from, so use them like that. Yeah, and again,
now's the time to start looking for these things on

(01:15:35):
the leaves. And as soon as you see the little
white spots copper and sulfur sprays the same sort of
things nature's wave fungals pray from the agh for instance.
That'll stop it from literally becoming a nasty situation.

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
Later, yeah, later.

Speaker 24 (01:15:52):
What about caterpillars, Well, this is the time for all
the caterpillars, as you will know, We've got you got
your full army. Where I'm all over the place, in
the north. You guys have it. We don't yet in
Christ it and hopefully won't get it. Tomato fruit, women,
white butterfly for instance, and green loopers, all those things

(01:16:13):
love your garden. And those caterpillars are omnivores, they'll eat anything.
Here comes to nice thing. We've got some rather new
insecticides that you can use on caterpillars that are safe
to use because you won't, for instance, kill all the
predators and parasites that also help to control them.

Speaker 7 (01:16:32):
The material is Yet's success Ultra right.

Speaker 24 (01:16:36):
And then there is a diamide insecticide called Chlorontra nillipro
lovely word clorantra and nilli pro and that comes in
the version of loan grub Control, in the version of
turf insecticides, and lif roller and coddling moth sprays called
Alta Core. All these rotter names will be on the

(01:16:59):
website so everybody can look that up. But the most
important thing is to look for those things now and
make sure that you get and before the statuting everything up.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Yeah, okay, I am listening to you. I promise you
I've heard that information has gone into my brain because
apparently I've not been very good at acting in a
timely manner. I know what problems are in the garden now.
I can get that, but the problem is getting to
them at the right stage, which is always going to
be my issue. Thank you so much, road.

Speaker 24 (01:17:26):
Jack, listen, you've got other things on your mind and
the best things in the world.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
Get on with it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
That's true, that's true. Hey, thank you so much. We
will catch again next week in real climb past in
the garden. Hey, thanks for all your messages. Deb is
completely disregarding that savings advice from our money guys. She says, OMG, Jack,
come on, go and splash out on a flash coffee machine.
You won't regret it. Jack, stick with your stovetop. This
is more Jack who needs a shiny, chrome, elaborate bling

(01:17:54):
on the bench toop. As far as I'm concerned, your
stovetop b Aletti sounds gorgeously simplistic, boutique and authentic. You
can travel with it, and it makes beautiful coffee too.

Speaker 7 (01:18:03):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Hi Jack, go for it. I say it's time for
you and the Faro to step up to an Espisso machine.
We have two. We've decided we've graduated from a plunger,
then too a stovetop, now to a seven hundred dollar
bribal machine. You don't need a super super expensive several
thousand dollars machine. And honestly it's magic now coffee tastes
better than at most cafes. We're avid cyclists. We've been

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to most of the cafes and the whole of Auckland.
My wife, like you, mounted the bench space arguments and
yes you do need to find some extra bench space,
but at the end of the day it is worth
worth it. And in our case, the payback period was
less than six months. Thank you for that. Ninety two
ninety two. If you want to flick me a text
like that or jacketews zeb dot co dot in the

(01:19:22):
it is my email address.

Speaker 7 (01:19:23):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
I love Coast to Coast weekend the Coast to coast.
It's just I know, I think we can use the
term iconic. Always nervous about using the term iconic, but
I think it is worthy of it. It is such
an exciting time and you see those athletes going over
going over goat pass. It's just absolutely amazing seeing them compete.

(01:19:44):
So we're going to make sure we keep you up
to date throughout the day as the Longest Day continues.
Before midday, a brand new book by this author, David McCloskey,
that I'm really excited to hear about. He is the
host of a podcast that I listened to called The
Rest Is Classified. I'm a real geek for spy in
espionage related content in any way, he's a four I'm

(01:20:06):
a CIA case officer who has since become an author
of fiction and all of his books are you know,
spy books and espionage books. So anyways, just release this
brand new book. We're going to hear a little bit
about that perform mid day right now, though it is
nine minutes past eleven.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
Check two.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Time to catch up with our sustainability commentator Kate Hall
aka Ethically Kate More Dinner. Yeah very well, thanks. You're
about to embark on a nationwide tour and are you
still going to be all likely all over the place
over the next couple of months.

Speaker 18 (01:20:37):
Yes, yeah, literally From Auckland, tod On topau Wellington, Nelson,
down to Dunda and Queenstown everywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:20:48):
Really fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
What are you doing?

Speaker 18 (01:20:50):
So we're going on this is our fifth tour. I
do a lot of work online, but I really am
in person person. So we are hosting many kind of
community focused free events that people can come along meet us,
play some picnic games, do it, permaculture farm, visit with us,
you know, get stuck in a local community gardens. Yea,

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A real variety of events that come along term and
bring anyone they want to.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
That's that's awesome. Oh very good. Okay, well I look
forward to hearing about the tour as that continues. But
this morning we wanted to talk about navigating kind of
differences of philosophy or opinion when it comes to sustainability,
because I think a lot of like a lot of
couples often have one person who might be a bit
more like sustainably minded than another one, right, and it

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can lead to a little bit of conflict from time
to time. Is that your experience, Yes, it is.

Speaker 18 (01:21:44):
I mean I'm very lucky I kind of my my
immediate family and to my husband on board with a
lot of things I do. But you know, I still
engage with you know, friends or people we meet at
parties or you know, distant relatives at barbecues where you know,
even if you're not the person who's standing there preaching

(01:22:05):
over a barb cute about you know, how we should
look after the planet more just by kind of existing
with those values, can we really tiresome and can kind
of take that that social energy and tax I get
asked a lot from people who you know, have watched
a documentary and they're really stoked.

Speaker 19 (01:22:26):
To live to their to their values.

Speaker 18 (01:22:28):
But they just come up against hard conversations which you know,
full of conflicts no one wants that, or just have
partners who it just drives a wedge between them. Yeah,
you know, I've had moments where, yeah, I've sometimes got
it right, sometimes got it wrong about how I navigate
different situations. Yeah, And you know, it's been eight years

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of me kind of living as extually Kate and sharing
about this. But I'm I'm always trying. But I'd like
to think that I've kind of come up with some
ways that when people say, oh my gosh, you know,
how do I navigate this with my partner or my
friends or you know, like, yeah, what do I do that?
I've kind of got a bit of a handle on it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
Yeah right, okay, so run us through some of those
tips start off with lead with positivity.

Speaker 18 (01:23:16):
Yes, So one thing I find is to not point
fingers or start in a negative space, so that, for example,
is wait for the positive conversation conversation to come to you. So,
for example, instead of saying, oh my gosh, is that
shirt from Glassons? Didn't you know? That is the main

(01:23:37):
fashion polluters to wait for a moment where someone says, oh,
I really like your top, and then you can talk about,
you know, the ethical story behind it or the fact
that it's secondhand or you know, your friends for you something.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Like that, as opposed to kind of being preachy.

Speaker 18 (01:23:53):
Totally totally and you're you're actually waiting for other people
to kind of condone and consent to that conversation rather
than being the instigator of it, because I think that
is really tiresome. There's a different opinion, and they're constantly
trying to push their own agenda on you. No one
wants that, Like immediately the conversation is shut down. There's

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no room for talking back and forth. So lead with
the positive angle about like what good stuff is happening,
and make sure the conversation is consented by the other person.

Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
I think if I've learned anything from from working as
a political journalist, it's that you can't kind of shame
people into nothing, you know, into lifestyle changes like you,
and you know it changes in society more broadly, like you.
You really want to you know, you kind of you
want to bring people with you, as opposed to as

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opposed to barking at them. So I think that's a
really good one. Focusing on what you control.

Speaker 19 (01:24:53):
You can't control so exactly.

Speaker 18 (01:24:55):
You know, I can't control the fact that my husband
Tim loves Vogels Sammige bread for his breakfast, like and
sure it's in a plastic bag. Absolutely, I would have
loves to have gone down to the bakery and use
my own cotton bag and you know him to get
bred that way. But that's something that's his choice.

Speaker 10 (01:25:15):
I'm not.

Speaker 18 (01:25:16):
I'm not you know, completing my values in his life.

Speaker 5 (01:25:21):
Again.

Speaker 18 (01:25:22):
Yeah, yeah, you have plaster on your toes, how could
you know? So that's something that's out of my control,
and that's not up to me. Not up to me
to change, so I can focus on, you know, what
I eat for atfist instead, I can focus on you
know what sustainable toilet trees I have in use. I
can focus on other things that are within my control,

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which I think is a really important one for people
who live with others. You know a lot of people
have flatmates or family members can get really quite frustrated
at observing unsustainable behavior every day. But that is someone
else's life and it's not up to you to judge
or control it. And I can actually guarantee if you're

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just trying to control what you can and doing that
in a really positive way, people are going to see
what you're doing and probably ask you questions about it
and potentially switch to that change anywhere. So yeah, focus
on those things and that will make you feel more
I guess, yeah, less kind of anxious or upset too

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by the stuff that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
You can't and then that kind of leads in to
the next one, showing a bit of grace for others.

Speaker 18 (01:26:31):
Totally, absolutely, And I you know, I preach this whole
don't judge, don't look in other people's supermarket shopping trolley
and things like that, But obviously, you know when I
have learned and known so much over the last eight
years of researching and being in this space. I can't
help sometimes, you know, have a little thoughts across my
mind around that person could just easily, you know, learn

(01:26:55):
how to you know, what things go on and recycling.
Then like that's actually given grace to everyone and to
yourself and knowing that we can do what we can do.
It's actually not up to you know, just individuals to
make these changes. There are big corporates and government that
all need to kind of come to the party as well.

(01:27:17):
So knowing that, yeah, just because you need to buy
a plastic drink bottle of water because you forgot your
reusable bottle and you really just need water otherwise you're
going to get dehydrated, Yeah, it's actually giving yourself grace,
giving the other people in your life that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
In your final tip, I suppose relates to your nation
wide tour at the moment, build a supportive circle exactly.

Speaker 18 (01:27:42):
So I think this is a tough one because some
people build such a support of circle that they find
themselves in a little kind of echo chamber of the
thoughts that they want to hear. I guess that's the same.
You probably find a lot with politics and things like that, right,
we can. Here's just what we want to But I
think there's a great balance between having people in your
life who share your value, support your values, live similar

(01:28:05):
to you. But also obviously keeping conversation open with other
people who disagree is really really helpful just for any
topic really. But that's part of why we're doing the
tour in these events, because I think sometimes it can
feel overwhelming, like you're always kind of going against the grain,

(01:28:26):
and when you come together and just share a picnic
and spend time with people who share your values, that
can just be you know, the little moment and cutfuling
kind of Yeah, I can still do this, I can
still try my best in terms of sustainable living. Yeah,
it's important, very good.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Hey, thanks Kay, Good luck with a tour. Obviously you'll
keep us up to speed. Is that continues. You can
find Kate on all the social media platforms by searching
ethically Kate. Right now, it is seventeen minutes past eleven.
Our travel correspondent has returned to California for the first
time since the big fires. He's going to tell us
how Malibu is shaping up in a couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Mike Yardley's out of travel, corresponding he's with us this morning. Hey, Mike, I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
Doing the Coast to Coast check again. Dreams are free.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
I love Coast to Coast day. I love Coast to
Coast weekend because it is a bit of a weekend,
depending on if you're doing the two day of the
team or the or the or the longest day. But yeah,
we used to sometimes go out to Sumner, you know,
as the as the computers were making their way in,
and because they don't close down all of the roads,
often you sort of passing Coast to Coast cyclists and
stuff as they make their way through the final speech

(01:29:47):
in the city. It's some year. It's a it's an
exciting weekend, to say the least. Hey, my big update
since this time last week is that we haven't had
a baby yet. Tell me that you've got an update.
Tell me that you have finally taken down your Christmas decorations.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
Oh I thought my update was I haven't had a baby.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. There's two of us in
that Department.

Speaker 5 (01:30:08):
Yes, Christmas is down, Jack, send us back in his box.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
I guess all right now, I'm glad to hear it.
I'm glad that it's finally finally been wrapped up. Anyway,
this morning, we are focusing on California, and obviously this
year has got off to an absolute horror start with
those incredible fires around Los Angeles and Malibu. So you've
been to Malibu. How mangled was Malibu by the fires?

Speaker 25 (01:30:31):
Yeah, it's really interesting, Jack, because it is hard to
get a full true sense of it by the television
coverage because, as you know, Malibu is actually a massive area.

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
It stretches for.

Speaker 25 (01:30:42):
Forty k that coastline, the stretch below Pacific Palisades, eastern
Malibu that was caught in the firing line. So about
a third of eastern Malibu's beach frontimes and businesses were
torched or incinerated. And sadly that included some really legendary
eateries like Moonshadows and a place like Real and I

(01:31:04):
ate it reel in last year and it's like this
old school seafood check on the Pacific Coast Highway. So yeah,
that's now just a pile of ashes, but beyond eastern Malibu.
The really good thing Jack and what Malibu wants to
like scream to the world is we are open and
we are welcoming back the world. So the vast bulk

(01:31:26):
of Malibu is good to go.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
Okay, So what about the Getty Villa?

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
So lucky man, this was lucky.

Speaker 25 (01:31:33):
So, as some of the television covered showed, it was
right on the edge of that fire zone, and some
of the trees and foliage around the villa were cinched,
but the villa itself narrowly escaped destruction for a couple
of reasons. They actually have a one billion dollar fire

(01:31:54):
prevention system built into the Getty Villa, so it's sort
of like firewalls on a gigantic scale and so forth.
They also, unlike other parts of California, have done very
vigorous rush clearance in recent years, so they reckon that's
what actually saved a lot of their site. Yeah, the

(01:32:14):
villa is actually still closed because of the problems with
the Pacific Coast Highway with debris removal and getting a
lot of those gas lines repaired. So they are hoping
to reopen in about a month or so, but definitely
go there.

Speaker 5 (01:32:28):
It is such a stunning museum.

Speaker 25 (01:32:30):
The whole villa was sort of built as a replica
of Villa day Papai, which was buried two thousand years
ago in the Vesuvius eruption. It's got about fifty thousand Greek,
Roman and Etruscan antiquities inside the museum. I spent all
day there last year, late last year, and it really

(01:32:53):
is quite a tantalizing attraction.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Yeah. Nice, okay, okay, that's really good to hear, really
good to hear it. Now, the Malibu Piir also emerged unscathed.

Speaker 25 (01:33:02):
Oh yes, so, I mean there were so many landmarks
along the Malibu coastline.

Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
But the Peer really is the great glory.

Speaker 25 (01:33:09):
It's one hundred and twenty years old, that peer, and
I love those Cape cod style twin towers at the
end of it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:15):
It is fully reopen.

Speaker 25 (01:33:17):
You've got carbon Beach on one side, surf rider beach
on the other. I just think it is Malibu in
one moment to take a stroll along that Peer, and
I'll tell you what, Jack, when I was down there,
I couldn't decide who was having the most fun, the
surfers or the dolphins, because they were both just frolicking
in the waves big time. Then there's the fishing chatting

(01:33:39):
to the locals. They were busy reling in halibate, corbina
and mackerel. And if you do want to have a
try at the old fishing scene there there is a
really cool rod rental shop at the end of the peer,
the Basin Tackle Shop next to the cafe.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Nice. Okay, what would you recommend for food? What are
the good eats to Malibu?

Speaker 25 (01:33:57):
Well, on that peer that they actually have two really
good venues. So at the far end you've got the
Malibu Farm Cafe that's all farm fresh, fair, local, organic,
blah blah blah. You can go wrong with the coliflower
pizza and the lobster rolls. And then at the pear
entrance the Malibu Farm Restaurant, which is a fancier affair.
It's got this whitewashed dining room ocean side patago bar.

(01:34:20):
That's the place to go. I reckon for freshly squeezed
juice cocktails really good, and it's such a great perch
to check out the surf rider beach scene.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
Okay, cool. What celebrity haunts would you recommend in Malibu?

Speaker 5 (01:34:33):
Well, I'm a bit of a tragic for this, Jack.

Speaker 25 (01:34:35):
So if spotting stars is also high on your to
do list, I reckon Nobu, Malibu, just down from the
Pear is a really good opportunity. This is a very
trendy Japanese restaurant co founded by Robert de Niro, so
Clooney DiCaprio Fever. They are regulars at Nobu. I had

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the rock shrimp Tempura with Ponzu sauce, which is that
lovely tart citrus based sauce.

Speaker 5 (01:35:02):
Really good.

Speaker 25 (01:35:02):
The only diner I recognized at Nobu when I was
there me fell in.

Speaker 5 (01:35:07):
But hey, it's like the drawer.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
Do you take that still?

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Ah?

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
I thought the sealist Maybe Jack se List?

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Oh wow.

Speaker 25 (01:35:18):
By the way, Melibu Country Mart another good place to go,
particularly Cafe Habana, which is run by Cindy Crawford's husband.
So they do like really good Cuban sandwiches. But best
of all, it's such a fun spot for cocktails.

Speaker 5 (01:35:33):
Cafe Habana nice.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
Okay, So, if you're heading west from the pier along
the Pacific Coast Highway, what are the beaches if you recommend?

Speaker 25 (01:35:41):
Yeah, if you want to cruise the coast, there are
so many beaches, but two really other good standouts the
long white sand sweep of Zoomer Beach that is gorgeous.
And for something completely different, l Masador Beach, gigantic boulders,
picturesque rock arches.

Speaker 5 (01:35:57):
It's sort of like Utah.

Speaker 25 (01:35:59):
Has come to California, all crashing onto golden shores. And
that is why El Matador is hot property for commercial shoes,
especially at sunset when the hummingbirds are flitting about as well.

Speaker 5 (01:36:10):
That really is a special beach.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
Yeah, nice, Okay, any other little tips.

Speaker 25 (01:36:15):
For a dollop of history, check out Adamson House, also
reopened after the fires. It was built a century ago
by a pioneering family who lit the fuse on Malibu,
becoming such a coveted celebrity bolthole the Ringe family. This
house is wild. It's this big Spanish colonial revival mention.
But it's nicknamed the taj Mahal of Tiles Jack because

(01:36:38):
the entire property inside and out is just festooned in
colorful decorative ceramic tiles. They've even got an eighteen meter
long imitation Persian carpet, all made in tiles, so it
is crazy. It really is something you should add to
your checklist.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Yeah, okay, I check out the photos of it. It
does look kind of remarkable, very unique.

Speaker 5 (01:37:01):
Busy, Yeah yeah, very.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Yeah, necessarily Okay, very good. We'll put all of those
tips up on the New Storks CB website. Thank you, Mike,
and have a wonderful coast to coast weekend. Cheers man
look forward to catching up. So Mike Yard there, travel
correspondent there, thank you again for your messages. Jack, what
kind of coffee machine did you recommend this morning? I
only heard about the last half of your chatter regarding it.

(01:37:26):
I didn't recommend a coffee machine. This is my point.
I have one of the little stovetops, you know, the
Italian numbers, the little boletties. I've got one of those.
Makes beautiful coffee. I like the process. It probably takes
about five and a half minutes to brew a cup
of coffee in the morning. But I've been debating whether
or not it's time to upgrade to a fancy a
coffee machine and lamenting that I don't want to give

(01:37:47):
up any space. I don't want to have anything on
my kitchen bench tops. But also maybe you know simple
is better Jack. Honestly, you don't even need a big machine.
We used to have one, but now we have a
little mini and espresso. It's absolutely fantastic. Great coffee takes
up very little room on the bench, says Lorrie. Jack.
Don't sell out to big coffee. Stick with the five
minute wounder, says Ollie. Well, it doesn't only mean to

(01:38:12):
say wounder or wonder. I wonder. Well, it's five minute
wound is not too bad. I'll take a five minute
wounder in that case. Beg you, Ollie ninety two. If
you want to get in touch before mid day today,
we're going to have a bit more of a listen
to the latest album from Nadia Reed. She was our
guest last Saturday on News Talks EDB but into now
Brightness is a pretty distinct and different album compared to

(01:38:33):
her previous album, So our music reviewer is going to
be in with her thoughts on that. Right now, it
has just gone eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
Thirty getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
team on News Talks EDBOW.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
You know that Elton John documentary had that amazing duet
between Elton and Brandy Well, it turns out the Oscar
voting Committee, what do we call them the people who
vote for the Oscars. They were the only fans of
the song because of course that was nominated for an
oscar that do you ear? Turns out Elton and Brandy
didn't half mind the sound as well. Now they have

(01:39:28):
teamed up with a collaborative album. How about that? So anyway,
we'll be I'm sure hearing plenty of more Meilli and
more from Elton, John and Brandy over the next wee
while now it has just gone twenty seven minutes to
twelve on news talk s, he'd b Jason pine Is
of course in this afternoon with weekendsport Calder Piney Kelder, Jack,
what are you planning for us this afternoon?

Speaker 26 (01:39:48):
Well it might seem odd being early February, but this
weekend where we're dedicating a big chunk of the two
shows to Super Rugby, actually because we're only a week away.
In fact, a week from now we would have had
the first game Crusaders, Hurricanes and Christes to kick things
off Friday night Valentine's Day, a bit of love in
the Garden City for Super Rugby fans. So tomorrow we've

(01:40:12):
got all six head coaches on the show, all six
new Zealand based head coaches. That is so yeah, Tana Humung,
Verncottter Clayton, McMillan, Clark Laidlaw, Jamie Joseph and Rob penny
All on the show tomorrow. Today though, we're going to
go to the top. The CEO of Super Rugby Pacific,
Jack Mesley, going to join us just after midday to

(01:40:32):
I guess get the gauge from him on how he's feeling,
and also the launch of Super Rugby Fantasy, which is
a new innovation this year. We'll find a bit more
about that across the Tamsman. Meantime, Joe Schmid has said, look,
I'll coach the Wallabies for the Lions tour and old
tag on the Rugby Championship, but that will be it.
So who are the candidates for coaching the Wallabies post

(01:40:54):
Joe Schmidt? And might there be the odd kiw on
the hit list for Rugby Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
Who do we surprise an announcement?

Speaker 26 (01:41:01):
Not really no, I think it was always telegraphed a
long way out that Joe Schmidt would would only do it,
you know, temporarily. I think what Rugby Australia probably secretly
hoped was that he get in there and he'd love it,
and so yeah, I'll stay, I'll start of the World Cup.
But no, he's he's going to pull up in back
end of this year. So whoever comes in will have
the end of year tour this year, all of next

(01:41:22):
year and then up to the twenty twenty seven Rugby
World Cup to get ready for that World Cup.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Is that enough time? Who knows? So it does seem
from the perspective of Australian rugby, and you know, as
someone who thinks that actually New Zealand rugby would really
benefit from stronger competition across the ditch. Ye, it does
seem like they just sort of turned a corner, you
know what I mean, Like just things are just starting

(01:41:48):
to maybe look up for the first time in a
long time for Australian rugby.

Speaker 27 (01:41:51):
Yep.

Speaker 26 (01:41:52):
And hopefully that can continue, hopefully, ye, I mean. And
Jode Schmitt has certainly regardless of what happens this year,
he'll leave it in a better place than he found it.
That's a low bardo because Eddie Jones completely decimated that
team during his last year there, so I think he'll
hand over a team that's in pretty good shape. They'll
have played the lines, they'll have the Rugby Championship, so
he'll oversee all of that and hopefully for and I

(01:42:13):
agree Jack, I think we need them to be strong.
He'll hand over a Philly cohesive group with a bit
of match hardened experience in there's some new players introduced
and whoever takes over it can have a bit of
runway towards the home Rugby World Cup for Australia to
them to continue to build on what Jodgment does.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
Are you a coast to coast man, Piney, I've never
done it.

Speaker 26 (01:42:33):
If that's what you're asking, I've watched you watch.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
I think you're right.

Speaker 26 (01:42:39):
Look, I've watched an awe at the you know, the
spectacular feats of those who do it, not just the
ones who are in the elite section, but anybody who decides,
you know what, I'm going to go from the west
coast of the South Island to the east coast of
the South Island in one day or across two days,
or whatever they decide, because it is you know, it's
a huge undertaking even to get yourself ready for that,

(01:43:01):
let alone do it. You know, the training, the hours
and hours of commitment, that it takes. So look, I yeah,
I remain in awe of anybody who decides to give
it a crap.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
I've had I've had a few mates to it, and
you know, it's the descriptions like it's the obviously that
the kind of the mental strength needs, you know, but
the you know, you run what is it, thirty k's
over go past or whatever it is. You come down,
you're into the wyemakeery, you go kayaking, and you know,
I've had mates who said that when they got to
the end of the kayak, they didn't think their legs work,

(01:43:31):
but they had to kind of roll out of the
kayak because they were so their lower half of their
body was so dead that they you know, and then
they're at fun They've got to go again, and there
was like, right, get on the bike away, Yes, yeah, yeah,
they're not even finished.

Speaker 26 (01:43:44):
So no, it's a it's a tremendous physical and mental
feet and yeah, yeah, just huge kudos to anybody who
has done it all is doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
Too, right, All right, looking forward to this afternoon, Thank you, sir.
Jase's fine behind the mic for a weekend sport. Right
after the twelve o'clock News before midday. We got that
music from Nadia Reid. Get our music reviewers thoughts on that.
Next up, your book picks for this weekend. Right now,
it's twenty two to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Folk Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
B USE Talks at b twenty to twelve on your
Saturday Morning. Katherine Rains has our book picks for this weekend.
Gwader catherineod Morning Jack. So, I'm a fan of the
The Rest Is Espionage podcast and one of the hosts
of The Rest Is Espionage is David McCloskey, a former
CIA agent who has also just written The Seventh Floor

(01:44:35):
tell Us about it.

Speaker 28 (01:44:36):
He has and the story begins with a Russian CIA
asset being arrested by some of Putin's men and a
CIA officer, Sam Joseph, at the same time as kidnapped
by Russian operatives, and he'd been having this conversation cleanderestine
conversation with an asset who said shared this mole secret
with him, and the Russian asset ends up committing suicide

(01:44:57):
before he can be questioned, but Sam is forced to
undergo a significant amount of torture and then he's finally
traded back to the CIA for a Russian spy who
has been held. And then meanwhile there's this other character,
a woman called Adamis Proctor, and she's five foot tall,
she's tattooed, she has a drinking problem, and she's very
tough both inside and outside. She's a very take no

(01:45:17):
prisoner's persona. And she's worked for the CIA for a
very long time along with a tight new group of operatives,
at one of whom Sam is, and they live on
the from a seventh floor secret missions until meetings, work together,
fight together, and look out for each other. And then
she's forced to resign due to her involvement in Sam's operation,
so she makes a complete Caporea change and heads Florida

(01:45:41):
to work in an alligator tourist trap as they called,
wrestling gators and entertaining the crowds.

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
And then Sam.

Speaker 28 (01:45:47):
Pays her a visit at the Gate of Farm and
shares the secret of Thought and they decide to team
up together and hunt the mole down. And it's a
very well written spy novel. It has great tension. You're
never quite sure who the mole is until the very ends.
Lots of Bombshells and the story, the characters are complex
and interesting, very explosive storylines, and with David mccloskey's background,

(01:46:10):
you can understand why.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
And it is keeps your helped wonderful. Okay, that sounds great.
That's the Seventh Floor by David McCloskey in Great News.
He's going to be Francesca's special guest on the Sunday
session tomorrow morning, So tune into Newsboroks he'd be tomorrow
to hear author and former CIA agent David McCloskey. Right
next up, More or Less Maddie by Lisa Genova.

Speaker 28 (01:46:31):
So, Maddie's story is one of high's and lows, and
she's a college kid just trying to figure life out
and she wants of a happy life to follow her passions,
and her life has taken a turn making her hard
to pursue these passions of writing and filmmaking. And she
comes from this very well off country club kinetic family,
and she's youngest of three and her oldest sister, Emily,

(01:46:53):
is engaged to be married. And Maddie has this very
strange relationship with her mother, who babies her and doesn't
quite know how to control her disorder, which is by
polar and so you see the realities of Maddie's by
polar condition, and you can feel her confusion, the vulnerabilities,
the euphoria she has, the despair, and when she's longed
for the normalcy and stability and the freedom to follow

(01:47:16):
her passions. And the story delves into how her condition
impacts the family. She's grappling with shame and fear and
helplessness and all sorts of emotions, and it is completely captivating,
and it has soul and empathy and very raw and
emotional and it's one of those books that keep you
thinking long after you've turned the last page. And Lisa Genova,

(01:47:38):
the author, is a neuroscientist, so I think she delves
very well into the subject that she's talking about, and
you really feel like you're part of a story, and
it's just yeah, she writes in a fabulous way that
kind of engrosses.

Speaker 5 (01:47:50):
You into it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
Superb Okay, that's more or less Maddie by Lisa genoveraor
Jennifer the first book from Catherine There The Seventh Floor
by David McCloskey. He'll be with us on the Sunday
Session tomorrow morning, both of those books all the details.
News dog zb dot co dot nz is the place
to go. Sixteen to twelve, we've got their new music
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Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
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Speaker 5 (01:48:19):
Be Loving You.

Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
Second natch to me. I was raised.

Speaker 10 (01:48:30):
On love and chanquility. You want to know who.

Speaker 7 (01:48:45):
That is?

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
Nadia Red. The song is second Nature. Her new album
is inter Now Brightness. She was with us this time
last week. So if you haven't heard our interview with Nadia,
made sure you go to newsporks hedb dot co dot inzi,
newsbalks head Beat dot coda inzid you know it and
have a listen there. A Steele Clifford has been listening
to to now Right Nous. She's a music reviewer and

(01:49:08):
is with this this morning. Kioda.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
What in the jack?

Speaker 15 (01:49:12):
When I hear albums like this, I just know in
my future there's gonna be a retro record player. I'll
have like this, vast collection of actual physical LPs and
albums like this will be on it. I'll be slowly
sipping coffee in the sun.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
Oh just speak my language.

Speaker 15 (01:49:29):
Yeah right, And there's such a feel and a visual
of what that is that so many people can relate to,
and that is what this album is great for because
it has that stuff that you need to listen to
and kind of sink into what think is the beautiful
thing about being able to sit and listen to an
album and just kind of soak it in and take
your time with it because it's an album that also

(01:49:51):
that's what Nadia has done to create it, and you
can hear that in its production. So if there's any
chance that sometime this weekend you can just be a
little bit lazy, maybe it's while you're getting ready or
you're cooking dinner or whatever, to have this all nice
and loud and just least sink into what's going on.
So that would be my advice.

Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
To absorb this music.

Speaker 15 (01:50:12):
It's it's really beautiful. That song there, second Nature, probably
one of the quietert songs, and it does have that
we well know Nadia read for acoustic guitar and her
voice sitting above that. But then it sort of becomes
this bigger, all encompassing kind of song, and there's a
bit more of that on this album. So what I
love about that song too is it does have that

(01:50:33):
kind of gentle tone about it. But some of the
lyrics and the story she's telling is, you know, when
a relationship becomes second nature, but actually it's not really
the one you should be in, and it's time to
let it go and move on, you know, like it's
not always the great thing, but it's just it's been
there and it's your your comfort, I suppose, and sometimes

(01:50:53):
actually you've got to re look at that comfort, which,
as you know from the interview you had with her,
a lot of her comfort's been shook up because she's
packed up the family and gone to the UK, and
so this album sort of crosses that crosses that change
in her life of becoming a mom and what is
it to be a musician and an artist and move

(01:51:14):
away miles away from everybody else. I mean, lots of
the songs were written before she's obviously got to the UK,
but change was constantly evolving for her, I think, and
to make those big changes. You definitely hear that in
this album. So I think that's quite a beautiful thing
to sort of stand with two. There's been sort of
quite a bit of chat around it being you know,
her comment on motherhood this album, but there's more than that.

(01:51:38):
I think that's always the way with someone who's a
great lyricist and also really great at music. You don't
have to have experienced that yourself or that's your focus,
you know, to enjoy what's going.

Speaker 10 (01:51:49):
On with the music.

Speaker 15 (01:51:51):
Hold it up as the real standout single, and I
think a lot of people attaching themselves to this, but
it does sound a bit different for Nadia, like it's
it's got these awesome guitar slide, heaps of percussion and
really different stuff mixed in there. Stellar production as most
of the album actually has, but it's this layered thing
that really creates us quiet energy about it. It was

(01:52:14):
written in oh I think she wrote it in Dunedin,
recorded in Port Charmers, and that the music video is
shot in p Har that black sandy kind of dark tone,
and it's really great because the story behind that is
she was meant to be catching a plane later that
day to head back to the UK, I think, and
then so they're sort of fighting that time restraint as

(01:52:35):
well as the thunderous clouds that are rolling in behind
them this really amazing dancer who's on the beach like
dancing in the scene while she's walking in it. So
there's kind of like this natural pressure that's happened behind that,
which kind of goes with.

Speaker 14 (01:52:49):
The song really perfectly.

Speaker 15 (01:52:50):
Yeah, so if you get a chance to watch the
music video. But I think Holding Up as one of
those standout singles for people because of its energy and
quite sort of more poppy, almost some rock kind of
guitar in there as well, And this is good. This
album really showcases all of those versions of not having
to be a genre yeap, but be it all of it.

(01:53:12):
You know, she can pick up a rock guitar, she
can sit at the piano and the keys, or there's
just this acoustic sound like it's all of those things
have been put into this album, which I think is
really great. My five year old's really into Chained Unshamed
because it is real rock guitari. I think I'm creating
a little rock rock star girl. But but but you
know that's what I mean, Like there's something in this
kind of album for everybody as well as some chilled

(01:53:34):
out vibes. If that's where you're kind of going as well.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
Okay, oh sounds good, right, So what do you get.

Speaker 15 (01:53:39):
Trying not to have brains this week?

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
Do you rest?

Speaker 15 (01:53:43):
It's an eight out of ten for me. It's a
really solid album. Sit with it for a long time
if you can, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
Yeah, Okay, we're going to listen to hold it up to.
We're gonna we're gonna dig that one out. Yeah great,
So if we can have a bit of a listen
to that. Thank you so much and catch you again
next week. Stelle clifford Our Music review. Then eight out
of ten she reckons for Into Now Brightness by Nadia Red,
Like I say, we'll get out there being in single
for you a couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
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Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
Well, I haven't changed my mind ultimately on a coffee machine.
I think for the time being, I'm going to hold out.
I'm going to stick with the blit he, stick with
the Italian stovetop, stick with not having stuff on the
kitchen benches. Although, as many of you have pointed out
on the text machine, this morning with a little one
on the way. Yeah, my aesthetic might be challenged, to

(01:54:36):
say the least, in the coming weeks and months. Thank
you for all of your feedback this morning. I've really
enjoyed that conversation. This afternoon, Jason Pyne is with us
behind the mic for weekend Sport. Thanks to my wonderful
producer that'll be for doing all the tough stuff newstalk
zedb dot code on inzed and Jacktam dot com for
everything from our show. Jacktam dot com just takes you
through to our Facebook page. You can search me by

(01:54:58):
searching for Jacktame on Facebook as well. I'll be back
with us next Saturday morning. For now, though, I will
leave you with Nadia read Her new album is Enter
Now Brightness and this is Hold it Up see a side.

Speaker 10 (01:55:11):
Just say good, hold it up, hold.

Speaker 4 (01:55:37):
The guitar.

Speaker 29 (01:55:41):
For me, lady, you can hold it up. Hold it
up to the lady, knowing nothing gives me that old,
hazy hard.

Speaker 10 (01:55:59):
I can't be anything you've a vanted. I can because
to anyone I can hold it the late.

Speaker 4 (01:56:18):
Holy have you wanted to.

Speaker 27 (01:56:22):
He just sit on the course, Hold up, old, hold
it up, Hold it up, tonight, I she.

Speaker 10 (01:56:47):
Her fly. She must be going somewhere. I can't believe
any

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
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