Full Show Podcast: 08 March 2025

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a rough start to the Super Rugby season. There is
a chill in the air and the Blues camp and
actually a bit of a chill in the air everywhere.
And this morning on New Stalks dB before ten o'clock,
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(01:48):
o'clock this morning, So make sure you tune in for that.
Right now, it's eight minutes past nine.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Jack, Team Gas.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I think of all the things I knew in theory,
at least about parenting a newborn, but had to experience
in person to fully appreciate, I think it's gas, the
myriad curiosities of a two and a half week old's
digestive tract that have left me the most befuddled. You know,
I knew in theory that babies had to be burped. Okay,

(02:19):
I knew in theory they often have problems and discomfort
when digesting their latest feeds. And I knew in theory
that a baby with gas or an obstruction somewhere in
his guts might even wake himself up. I guess I'm
just shocked at the speed with which I've transformed into

(02:40):
one of those parents totally obsessed with his baby son's
belches and bowls. It's the pain that does it when
something's trapped somewhere deep, the way his little face scrunches
up and contorts, how he writhes and twists and clenches

(03:01):
every muscle in his body. Often I'm holding him and
he's holding me, his tiny little hand gripping my index
finger as he clenches his fingers white, his face a
crimson red with the strain and effort. Before you ask, yes,
I have tried various techniques for getting things moving at

(03:24):
both ends. In fact, my social media feed these days
seems to me nothing but baby osteopaths holding infants and
folding them in half. There's the classic baby over the shoulder,
pat on the back. There's the stomach massage, the bicycle legs,
and the deep squat. There's the baby over the forearm
next supported facing out, and the baby over the forearm

(03:47):
next supported facing in. My personal favorite is the wheelwaggle,
where you lift him gently just under his armpits with
one hand and then take his weight under his butt
with the other, and you gently move your hands in
different directions to try and bring a range of movement
to his digestive track in the whole that you'll be
rewarded with a range of movements in return. I knew

(04:12):
we would have disrupted sleep. I just never really accounted
for the gas part of being up at night. His
mum feeds him. There's not much I can do there.
But then, of course one of us has to sit
up in bed for a non specific amount of time
just waiting. You can never be totally sure that he's

(04:32):
been fully burped. There's no finish line, as it were.
There is an alarm that goes off. It's a judgment call,
and at two point fifty three am, when your body
is urging you to lie down and go back to sleep,
look at him. He seems fine. You know that if
you pull the trigger too early, he'll be waking himself

(04:52):
up in twenty minutes, twisting and groaning in his cot.
When you think about it, it's kind of crazy that
newborns go from relying on the placenta for all of
their nutrients to instantly switch on the full length of
the complex human digestive tract. It's not like they ease
into it. Alas as our son's milk intake has increased,

(05:16):
his digestive tract has not quite kept pace. Put simply,
the outputs don't always match the inputs. It's perfectly normal,
of course, and he's far too young to be hurrying
up with a tray of black coffee and prune juice.
But sometimes his stomach feels hard to the touch cruelly.

(05:38):
His preferred way of soothing his discomfort is to feed again,
which then exacerbates the problem. And at nineteen days old,
he's not yet ready to listen to reason or comprehend
the concept of a vicious cycle. I'm back in the
office full time this week after a wonderful little period
at home, but I can tell you already that my
texts with my wife are going to take on a

(06:01):
grimly digestive line of inquiry. The thing about parenting is
that while you share in your child's discomfort, you also
share and they're almighty relief, especially when someone else is
on cleanup. Jack Team ninety two. Ninety two is our
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(06:22):
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dot Inda, We've got your movie picks for this week.
Before ten o'clock, we'll get our Sportos thoughts on the
Blues Brumbies plus the black Caps and that final comes
Sunday night. Matt Henry's still looking like he's in doubt,
which would be a massive loss as they look to

(06:42):
take on India and that final and hopefully win the
champions Trophy. Next up, Kevin Milon will kick us off
for our Saturday. It's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack
David's Saturday Morning and this is Newstalk's EDB.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
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Speaker 1 (06:56):
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Speaker 2 (07:02):
eNB Okay sixteen minutes past nine on News Talks, he'd
be ah, Jack, I only feel for you guys. Our
youngest was like that. I'm not going to tell you
how long it took to get sordered. Stay strong. Yeah,
I think we might be in for the long haul here, Jack,
how many shirts have you gone through? Burping a little
precious bundle of joy? I was on average two a day,
sismas oh to a day. It's amazing how quickly. Actually,

(07:24):
first of all, amazing how quickly become absolutely obsessed with
your child's bowel movements. I know that's t m I,
but sorry. The next thing is absolutely amazing how quickly
you just don't really care about your own appearance. I'm like, ah,
like this only has like baby puke and like dried
milk stains on two sides. It should be all good.

(07:45):
Jack love listening to your Saturday Morning says your little
boy got a name yet?

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, sorry, he does. I thought I said this maybe
heaven MARNI m a with a little macron on it
in I. It's a Persian name. It means eternal. We
wanted because his mum's Persian. We wanted to give him
a Persian name. But a lot of Pussian names are
a bit of a mouthful to say the lea. So yeah,
money tame. Here you go, seventeen minutes past nine on.

(08:09):
You used to seed the Kevin mill. There's the weather
this morning killed us Serkyder.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
I've just heard the name myself, and because I was
going to ask you about that money.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
What a gorgeous name, thanks Kevin. Well, we know from
your editorial so that you can't you can't come out
and slave me off, now, can you.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Oh no, No, genuinely I love the name. And also
it has a kind of slightly Mari feeling feel about
it too.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, well it does. Yeah, that was part of the consideration.
In fact, the so the macron over the A isn't
that's not that's not strictly Persian or in Pharisee. But
his brother goes to full immersion, and we thought, oh,
if we put a if we put a too, a
little macron over the a, that will help or key

(08:55):
we used to pronounce his name, so it's money as
opposed to many you know.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah, oh no, that's that's beautiful. I
don't know whether you know. But there's there's a Persian
sort of link in my relationship with London, is there. Yeah?
I met my wife when we were both working for
the Iranian oil company.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
What you worked for the Iranian oil company?

Speaker 5 (09:15):
How the Iranian Oil company in London?

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Ah, goodness, man, I had no idea. But this is
presumably pre revolution Kiven.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yes, it was just before the revolution. Was pretty much
the end of that little firm. But yeah, we used
to buy all the oil, oil equipment and drilling equipment,
all that stuff through for the Iranian oil fields.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Did you ever get to go and visit?

Speaker 5 (09:41):
No, No, sadly not. I've missed the damn good opportunity
I could have gone, then, I suppose, yeah, as getting
a beautiful rug.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yes, yes, yeah, well I'm in here. There's certainly lots
to offer in that part of the world, although can
be a bit tricky to travel there, obviously, But yeah,
how amazing. I did not did not appreciate that little connection, Kiven.
But anyway, like anyone who has come even remotely close
to the news this week, you have been thinking a
whole lot about a certain man in a certain White

(10:12):
House exactly.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
I'm talking about Bresident Donald Trump, like everybody else has
mean this week, I thought, in particular, I talked about
how popular he is in New Zealand. How many New
Zealanders would have voted for him if they had been
able to vote in the last US elections, How many
would have voted for Trump? Kiwis. I thought it might

(10:38):
be impossible to get information on this, but actually no,
I checked online and several reputable posters have asked New
Zealanders this very questioned and it seems their answers have
come out very simpler, very similar. It had seemed, according
to the posters, that at the last US elections, nearly
a quarter of New Zealanders said that they would have

(11:02):
voted for Trump three percent. This surprised me at first.
I've never spoken to anyone anywhere who has said to
me I like Trump or I'd have voted for Trump.
This is probably, of course, because I tend to mix
with liberal progressives. I think most people who've heard me
on radio or TV over the years would know that

(11:24):
I'm not a right winger. So the fact they don't
confront me with the fact that they're Trump fans showed
you just how polite right wingers can be. Jack. In
your private life, has anyone told you they are or
would be Trump supporters?

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yes, yeah, I got, I've got, I'm free, I've got.
I've got friends in America, my closest American friends. One
of them is an absolute like Trump die hard. Like
when I said Trump die hard, I mean he he
would have spent thousands of dollars on Trump merch and
lawn signs and T shirts and everything. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Yeah, what about New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
In New Zealand. Do you know, I think I think
in New Zealand people are you know, maybe people are
less kind of partisan, die hard about it, but I
reckon there would be lots of people who at the
very least find him refreshing and find some parts of
his policy agenda to be you know, to be exciting,

(12:22):
and and they'll be supportive of that. I mean, John
Key is a good example, right, He said that he
thought when he thought Trump should win going into the
you know, going into the last election. But you're right, you.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Read of these. It's just that I never actually come
up front, face to face with any It's an issue.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Really.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
We move in our own bubbles increasingly so perhaps. I mean,
if nearly a quarter of New Zealanders have a sneaking
liking for Donald Trump, where are they? I asked myselves.
I'd guess that more of these people are in my
age group than yours, But I never seem to meet them.
Either the posters have got it wrong or I'm living
too isolated a life. Having said that, I hope that

(13:03):
having made this point, I'm not going to be conforms
under by Trump bites everywhere for the next few weeks.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, careful what you wish for there, Kevin. I think
here's the observation i'd make. I reckon that in the
US people are much more like loud and proud about
liking Trump, whereas in New Zealand they probably don't feel
that compulsion. But in the same way they don't feel
that compulsion about supporting other international politicians. You know, you
just don't see people kind of wearing Make America Great

(13:32):
Again hat quite as frequently on the Carpety Coast as
you might in you know, various America cities.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Yeah, though, funnily enough, nats make it pretty clear, don't
they fairly fairly sooner in conversation, did you suss out
there politics reasonably quickly?

Speaker 2 (13:52):
People say the same thing about you, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
That's right. Maybe they don't need to listen to the
radio as it much.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
The thing, Yeah, the thing I always sign refreshing.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
I thought, yeah, I thought twenty three percent was quite high, Mark.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, it is, it is. It's really interesting. Actually, I
think that'll surprise a lot of people. Thank you for that, Kevin,
ninety two to ninety two. I'm sure I'm plenty of
Donald Trump supporters will texted now and say Jack, we're here,
we're fans. Let us know where Kevin's going to be
and we'll go and tell them that we love Trump too.
Get in touch if you'd like to. I'll show some
of your feedback very shortly. Coming up in a couple
of minutes. On News Talks, edb our Sporto with his

(14:27):
thoughts on the Blues prospects after a disappointing result against
the Brumbies Eden Park, plus the black Caps conned down
to that Champions Trophy final.

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I live on the Carpety Coast, so there's at least
one Donald Trump supporter on the Carpety Coast, and I'm
very open about it. Well, there you go. Kevin lives nearby,

(15:50):
so if you bump into him at a cafe or something,
maybe you can go up and have a quiet word.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
My babies were just like yours. It's often guess, often
aggravated by what mum is eating or drinking. In my case,
it was dairy. As soon as I stopped having it,
baby's gas was gone. Thanks Ellie. Well, I don't know.
I don't want to be the one break to my
wife that she's going to have to lay off the
ice cream any times. But I'll see is here how
bad things get. Thank you for that. Ninety two ninety
two is the text number if you want to send

(16:15):
us the message. This morning, our sporto is Andrew Saville
and he's with us this morning killed us sav.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Kelder Jake, I still have those sorts of problems today.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
What the gassy problems or yeah, it's the it's the
I just I've seen other parents do it, you know,
become become obsessed with their child's digestive tract, and now
I have just fallen to the crack. It is hard
not to because I don't think I'd appreciated the flow
on effect, you know, like seeing you seeing your child

(16:44):
in pain and discussion straining away, having him waking up
at three o'clock in the morning moaning and groaning. It's
all of that.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
You know, you will you will find a way, and
you'll find your own way and it'll work and you'll
stick with that and it will be fine.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, there you go. That's great advice. If only you
could offer the same to the Blues. I know at
the start of the show's four and one, though, isn't
it because they beat Therrige one and it's one and
three one and time yeah, sorry, one and three year.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
They beat the Hurricanes last week in Wellington, which was
which was a pretty good effort in the end. They
really had to hang on in the end of Wellington.
But jeez, I've seen some frustrating and disappointing Blues performances
over the years. This one is one of those. Last
night I was yelling at the TV screen. I don't
know why on earth at they were eight it was

(17:29):
it twenty eighteen up and they decided to kick for
the corner instead of goal, which would have made it
twenty three eighteen, so a five point buffer instead of
just a two point buffer. In the end, the Brumbies
go back down the other end. There's a bit of
to and fro and the Brumbies kicker winning penalty pretty

(17:51):
much in the last play of the game. So frustration
for the Blues.

Speaker 7 (17:55):
Jack.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yes, they've got a lot of injuries compared to the
start of their campaign last year, but so of all
the other teams, they just don't look like the championship
winning team of last year. The all Black players, some
of them have been in relatively good form, some look
completely out of sorts. Still, I don't know what it is. Yes,
often all black players coming late into the setup in
these various teams and they take a while to hit

(18:17):
their straps. But the Blues, all blacks just seem to
be taking quite a lot longer. And then, to compound issues,
Boden Barrett going off at halftime, which with what looks
to be a broken hand or broken bones and in
one of his hands, and so he could be out
for a fair oh while. When he ran the ball
last night from ten, the Blues looked very, very good.

(18:39):
He looked very good. He scored an outstanding try in
the first half. The Blues were held scoreless in the
second half, which has to be concerned. Their defense has
been good jack the start of the season, but their attack,
their attack has just lacks punch. It looks a little confused,
a little wayward. Not great signs for the Blues, Yeah,
not great signs at all. But on the on the
flip side, the Aussie teams. I don't know whether you

(19:00):
saw my chat last night with Stephen Larkin, the Brumby's coach,
but yes, caught up with him and he was adamant
that the key reason why these Aussie teams have turned
around and are doing well as Joe Schmid, the Wallabies
coaches in New Zealander. Of course, he has really focused
on the breakdown and getting things right at the breakdown
and ball carrying and continuity of play, and that has

(19:23):
trickled down from the Wallabies players into these Aussie teams
and look at what they're doing. So yeah, Joe Smith,
of course, I know we've always known he's an outstanding coach.
But yes, obviously he's gone to Australia who has improved
the Wallabies. He's still trying to turn things around there.
But yeah, he leaves in October, which is a great
shame for SADIU rugby.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
We're heading into the the anthn Ex World Cup twenty
twenty seven. Yeah, and so the Black Caps, I mean
just I really mixed feelings about the champions trophy right
because I feel like they are just massively outperforming their
population base. Like I feel so proud and and you know,
you look at the likes of Rattam Avenger coming through

(20:02):
like just an amazing talent. You know that being said,
oly h cricket just isn't what it was like it's
just it doesn't have the place that it one's head,
It doesn't have the status that it one's head. It
doesn't even have the players that it once had. So
that's kind of there in the back of my mind
as well. But I'll tell you what, if there's going
to be a good reason to volunteer for the night
shift in the Tame household tomorrow night, it's one of

(20:24):
those my wife's My wife could be slightly confused right
when I come up and get up to me and say,
you know what's hard tomorrow and tonight, I'm going to
be I'm going to be doing the job. How do
you write the chances?

Speaker 4 (20:35):
I think they're relatively strong. I think playing in Dubai.
Of course with the Indians are base. They won't play
in Pakistan if they I didn't realize they hadn't played
in Pakistan for now, for nearly twenty years now.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
The Indians, there's actually a Netflix series on it. You
can go back and watch their last, their last, the
last two of there. It was like it was like
two thousand and two thousand six or maybe.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, the pitch is slower than the Pakistani wicket, so
that would play under the Indians.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
Hands.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
I think they the black Caps will take a lot
of confidence in this game. There's a lot of players
in that team that beat them in that test series
threes it so that they know the Indians are beatable. Yes,
I tend to agree. There seems to be a lot
of World finals these days. Every year there seems to
be a different World Championship or a World Trophy or
a World Cup. But it is a final. It's a

(21:23):
global final. They've played very well to get where they are.
They will do financially very well.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
Out of it.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
If the black Caps win, the players will, which is
good for them. And a guy like Ritch and Ravindra
just think if he scores another big ton in the
final against India, he will be able to name his
price in the IPL for years to come. He will
be an absolute superstaff. He's not already in India, let

(21:51):
alone New Zealand and other countries, but what he's done
this tournament has been outstanding, extraordinary talent. He's playing with
freedom and I hope he does well in the final.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, yeah, can't wait for tomorrow night. Thank you, sir
our Sporto Andrew Savill there, thank you for your feedback.
As well. Jack, I definitely support Donald Trump. I live
in Auckland. Exactly what you said this morning. It's a
bit refreshing to watch him, and it's actually coming out
with a different game plan that distinguishes him from other
politicians around the world that I find attractive. All right,
thank you for that. Ninety two ninety two is our

(22:20):
text number, Susie says jackets simple when baby spilling, put
a cloth on your shoulder. Yeah, But the problem, Sousie
is it's not just on the shoulder. I sort of
need a cloth on my chest. I need a cloth
on my shorts, and need a cloth everywhere, all of
my sleeves. But you're right, We've got plenty of cloth
going through, plenty of cloth at the moment.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
I can assure you of that.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Right now, it's twenty six minutes to ten. You movie
picks next.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Fun and you know sleep weeble.

Speaker 8 (22:49):
Lomal you want me, I want you stay.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Problem to you what the key we love affair with
country music is just going from strength to strength at
the moment.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
Now.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
He Luke Holme's here a few weeks ago. Well, Chris
Stapleton's in the country for the first time ever. He
performed his first show last night at Auckland Spark Arena,
and he is on again tonight. This is you should
probably leave by Chris Stapleton. Anyway, right now, it's twenty
three minutes to ten. Time to get your film picks
for this week. Francesca rud Can, our film reviewer, is
here with a snack ke Elder Morning morning. Okay, we've

(23:27):
got a couple of different movies showing in cinemas at
the moment, so let's begin with a listen to Mickey seventeen.

Speaker 9 (23:33):
Honor, nothing was working out and I wanted to get
the hell out of there.

Speaker 10 (23:37):
You're planning to be inexpendable, he read through the paper here.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I should have read through it. You're an expendable you heard. Okay,
some big names with Mickey seventeen stars Robin Robert Pattinson.
It's directed by the guy who directed Parasite and Snow
Pierser Yes.

Speaker 11 (23:57):
Bond, Drew Hoe and he stunned everybody at the twenty
twenty Oscars with his film Paradise Parasite. Sorry. He made
history by winning Best Picture, and that was the first
time a non English language film had one Best Picture.
He won Best Director Best International Feature, Best Original Screenplay,

(24:20):
an extraordinary film. If you haven't seen it, you should
definitely see Parasite. But this is his first film since Parasite,
and he probably had the opportunity to do whatever he wanted.
I'm sure that studios were probably handing him large franchise
films on a plate, telling him he could do whatever
he wanted to do, and instead he's made the sort

(24:42):
of wonderfully bondering whole film. It's nutty. It's this comical
sci fi. It's a satire about sort of the state
of humanity. He always likes to focus on the themes
that he often reverts back to, all about class and
power and exploitation, and he very much does that again

(25:04):
with this film. Robert Pattinson, who you mentioned there from
Twilight and of course Batman, he really drops his sort
of a list star quality for this film and plays
this wonderful, meek, quite goofy character Mickey, and he's really
keen to get off planet Earth. This is set in
the future. He owes some money to a loan shark

(25:26):
and things who likes to chop people up as a hobby,
so he's very keen to get off Earth. But everybody
is keen to get out of Earth. At this point
in the future is the competition is fierce to join
a colonial word to a new planet. So he signs
up as an expendable.

Speaker 12 (25:45):
And in the.

Speaker 11 (25:46):
Future, we have worked out how to print people. We're
no longer allowed to do it on Earth, but you
can do it off Earth. And he doesn't quite know
what it means, but he signs up to be this expendable,
which means like he's the canary in the mind. He
is the guy who can die for whatever reason. They
need him too, because they can then immediately reprint him,

(26:09):
and he is back the next day. So when we
meet Mickey, he's on version number seventeen. And so this
is very much a film that looks at humans. It
looks at how they're expendable. It's how we're all expendable
in the workplace. This is a film, even though it's
set in the future, is very much about the present,

(26:30):
as you mentioned. Great cast also stars Tony Collette and
Mark Ruffalo. I really loved this premise and I think
it starts out very strong. It gets a little lost
in the middle, but it does finish well. I love
the fact that as far as this is a considering
that this is a sci fi film, it's very low fi.
It's almost retro futuristic. The spaceship they go on looks

(26:52):
like a cargo ship.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
You know.

Speaker 11 (26:53):
It's it's not just because we're in the future. We've
sorted everything out and everything's slick and flashing gray. Actually
it's still all a bit rough. I think this is
going to be quite polarizing, this film. I think you're
either going to fall in love with its quirkiness and
enjoy it sense of humor, or you'll think, what, yeah,
what is he doing that you should never miss a
bong during home film?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Okay, that sounds great, Well, sounds interesting. Mickey seventeen and
would you believe Francisca that, Yes, I have seen Parasite,
and I know, I mean, it would just be so
mean not to have seen Parasite. But I have seen Parasite,
and yeah, share in all of the adoration that has
been expressed by so many already, such a good film,

(27:34):
So I'll definitely be seeing Mickey seventeen. Next up, let's
have a listen to Spit.

Speaker 13 (27:41):
International Future, The Money and Honor Criminal mastermind John Francis
Spettier who lock him up.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
This is Australia. It's still a free country, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
That is Friend of the show. David Wenham returning as
Spit twenty years since the film Getting Squire tell us
about Spitt.

Speaker 11 (28:10):
Yes, this is I love it when a sort of
a side character suddenly becomes a lead. And as you say,
that's very much what's happened here. And David Wynham, he
just does such a beautiful job of stepping into this character.
He's just the quintessential Australian bogan and he's got the
flip flops and he's got the mullet, and he's got
this and he's he plays dumb and sometimes he is dumb,

(28:32):
but he always has a bit of a plan because
he's a he's a former krim and heroin addict and
he's returning to Australia after being after being overseas for
a very long time, and he tries to get it
on a fake passport and he gets picked up and
he gets blocked in the detention center and then off
he goes just beautifully kind of trying to manu you know,
sort of get himself out of there and sort of

(28:54):
you know, and cause a little bit more trouble. He's
he's such an infuriating character, yeah for those around him,
but he's sort of so good in nature about it.
He's such a good natured guy, sort of goofy guy.
You can't help but kind of get drawn in to
this little journey that he goes on, and he might

(29:14):
always be thinking about himself and how to help himself
in a situation, but he does sort of take other
people along on the way. So look a lot of
laughs in here, but for all the laughs in the
mad cap scenario, it's a bit of slapstick kind of
comedy as well. There are some sort of pointed political barbs,
especially around issues such as the refugees and migrants and things,

(29:35):
so it certainly doesn't hesitate to also kind of make
if you make comments about Australia today and things like that. Yeah,
I don't think you don't need to have seen Getting
Square to enjoy this film and this character, because he
really does. He really does own it. So yeah, good fun.
A lot are contrived at times, but good fun. And

(29:57):
David Wynham is absolutely fab.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, no, he really is. Thank you so much. Frantiska
in case you missed it last week. Of course, David
Wnham was on the show. He was our feature interview
on new Talks EDB last Saturday morning, So if you
didn't hear that interview, go to NEWSTALKSHEDB, dot co dot
m zed Ford slash Jack and you'll be able to
listen to it. David Wenham is just fantastic. So Francesca's
film pics for us this week spit that's the Australian
one with David Wenham and Mickey seventeen is the latest

(30:21):
from Bong ju Ho. Both of those will be on
the website as well. Right now. It is sixteen minutes to.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Ten Saturday mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going
through the weekend with bpewre dot co dot in SAD
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Speaker 3 (30:37):
News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Fourteen minutes to ten on news talks 'B after ten o'clock.
Our feature interview this morning is Dick Frizzell. He's written
this brilliant, this brilliant new memoir that kind of kind
of distinguished itself from other memoirs because it's not just
a chronological story of his life or anything like that. Really,
it's a whole collection of delightful little short stories about

(31:00):
growing up in Hawk's Bay in the nineteen fifties and
early nineteen sixties. The book is called Hastings, A Boy's
Own Adventure, and it really is a boy's own kind
of recollection. So it's like Dick and his mates as kids,
knocking around with their rifles or real guns in some cases.
You know, Dick driving along in an Austin sherborn for

(31:23):
the first time once he got his driver's license. All
sorts of adventures in Hastings in the nineteen fifties and
sixties kind of a you know, to throw back to
a more innocent time. But Dick is just a delightful storyteller,
so he's gonna be with us right after ten. It's
going to tell us a bit more about Hastings, a
Boy's Own Adventure. Right now, though, it's time to catch

(31:43):
up with our cook, Nicki Wicks and Nicki. It is
that time of year where we need to start get
where we need to start bottling and jarring and jamming
and preserving and rushing because the weather is turning.

Speaker 14 (31:55):
I know, in fact, we at this stage we are
trying to preserve time. Literally, we are trying to sort
of catch the well. It isn't summer anymore. It's awesome,
and we're still over flowing with all this produce. But honestly,
I really need to kind of buck up my own
ideas too, because soon it will be over and then
we're into the kind of winter fear, which is slimpickins.

(32:18):
And it's a funny old time because we're also a
little bit tired of tomatoes, maybe because you've had so
many of them, and yet you know, turn those into
a little pasta sauce. Freeze them, freeze that pasta sauce,
and you are going to be so happy for the
taste of summer a couple of months, let me tell you.
And pears. Somebody gave me a beautiful bucket of pears

(32:40):
from a very old tree out Beechland's Way, and I've
had them sitting around for as. I've eaten a few
of them, but they're not particularly ripe and they haven't
really ripened up. So time to make chutney's. You know,
chutney's with pears, Oh pier is just great for a chutney.
So look I threw this together. It's a really great
all round chutney. It's not too finnickety, it's dead easy.

(33:02):
I took a large onion, chopped it up finally, and
it was about two hundred grams. I did kind of
weigh it for our listeners. It was about two hundred grams.
In the end of chopped onion. I had a one
kg of chopped pears. Once I've sort of called them.
I didn't bother peeling them because I'm a way too
lazy for that, so I just chopped them up. And
as I say that were quite hard pears, they were

(33:23):
exactly all that soft. I grabbed two apples because I
had those off a neighborhood tree. I chopped out all
of the brown rot from them and chopped those up
skin on. Of course, two hundred and fifty grams of
brown sugar, which is probably about a cup of it,
really quite well packed. Two hundred grams of sultana's, although
I ran out of sultana's, so I put half and

(33:44):
half of currants and sultanas in there, and I wasn't sorry.
Three hundred mills of apple side of vinegar. You could
use any vinegar in here. You want to use a
cheap Issha vinegar you could use malt vinegar, but I
find it quite quite quite strong, so I just used
three just a bit over a cup of apple side
of vinegar. And then I thought, well, what do I
want to flavor this with? So I went with a
teaspoon of fennel seeds, a teaspoon of ground allspice, half

(34:09):
a teaspoon of freshly ground black pepper, and a teaspoon
of salt. So in there it all went into a
big pot, and you want to bring it to the
boil kind of slowly. You don't want to go hard
and fast. It will stick to the bottom. And then
I just reduced the heat jack and I let it
happily similar away for about an hour and an hour
and a half. The onions were soft, the pears were

(34:30):
getting there as well. But then when I looked at it,
I thought, it's kind of ready. If I start reducing
it anymore, I'm going to get half a jar out
of this, right, So don't wait till it goes really thick.
I then wanted to get in there, and I wanted
to kind of mash it or make it a little
bit pulpy, but I didn't want to take to it
with a blender because I still wanted it chunky. So
I looked on the wall where I hang my old

(34:51):
fashioned egg beater, and I got that out. I thought,
I wonder if this will work? Worked a treat kind
of yeah, I had, I.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Sort of you mean the old hand ones, right, the
old yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 14 (35:02):
And I and I beat it until it was just
a little bit pulpy, which was great. That's to help
thicken it up. I'd already heated some jars to see
it sterilize them at one hundred and fifty degrees celsius
for about ten minutes in the oven, and I pour
always pour some boiling water over the lids to sterilize them.
Then I just spoon to the hot chutney into the
hot jars. If you go hot chutney into cold jars, you,

(35:24):
regardless of whether they've been sterilized, you're going to crack
your jars. I've done that too many times in my life.
So hot chutney into hot jars, and then I ran
a knife around the inside because it was quite a
sort of thick, nice chunky chutney, and you get a
bit of you know, you get air bubbles in there.
You don't really put those in there, because they don't
look good for a start, and they take up valuable space.
So just run a knife around them. You can poke

(35:44):
those air bottles that those air bubbles out, wipe the
rims clean and place.

Speaker 10 (35:49):
The lids on.

Speaker 14 (35:50):
And then my top tip is probably to wipe the
jars clean while they're still hot, because once it solidifies,
it's a real pain. So they're piping hot. Wipe the
rims air.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
It is such a good time, I know, I know.

Speaker 14 (36:04):
Otherwise you call them down because oh yeah, it'll be
easy to handle it and it's a nightmare. So you
put that little tightly and then just leave them. And
I like to leave this chutney for about three weeks
if I can. I always have a little bit left
over that I can use straight away. But the difference
in the taste of it three weeks after you've bottled
it is extraordinary. Those flavors are really married and all

(36:25):
the different spices have really managed to kind of do
their magic. And this sort of chutney's got enough sugar,
enough vinegar, and it'll last up for to twelve months,
probably longer.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. How many jars I got.

Speaker 14 (36:38):
Kind of four to five medium jars. One of them
was quite right, but yeah, so plenty. Really, I was
really surprised. Again, if you keep on reducing chutneys and
sauces and things till you see that kind of till
it's thickened, you will then end up with belly any chutney.
It goes the same for jams.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
You've got to remember it's a balance. It's a balance.

Speaker 6 (36:58):
It's a balance.

Speaker 8 (36:59):
This.

Speaker 14 (37:00):
Oh, listen to you speaking like a three week old period.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, it's a balances the balance.

Speaker 14 (37:05):
I love your.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Jack ah so good. Hey, thank you. We're going to
make sure we put that recipe up on the News
Talks heb website so everyone can follow along at home,
make sure they make the most of the last of
those summer fruits. As we head into water. I think
the whend of the season is officially changed in another
week and a half or so, right, but I think
all around the country was underfeel the ear temperature dropped
just a little bit. Thank you, Nicky. Nicky Wicks is

(37:27):
our cook on News Talks. He'd be right now. It
is seven to ten.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to us.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Saturday mornings with Jack Dame and vpure dot co dot
Nz for high quality supplements US talks.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
He'd be thank you very.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Much for your feedback this morning regarding gas. Jack. Can't
yourself lucky? Says muzz. Can't you soulf lucky? You don't
you use cloth nappies? I was appearing in that era
and it was horrible. Let me tell you, yes, Malls,
I do have memories as a child, being the oldest
of four of various buckets of things stewing away in
the laundry for days on end. Jack says, Anita, give

(38:02):
your wife some pure mango juice with some grated nutbeg
to drink some fresh mint. He only minted water. That'll
ceter right down. I settle a little gems tummy right down.
I hope it works, Thanks Anita. Jack loved what you
said regarding burping babies this morning. I gotta say though,
it brought back some memories, and if your experience is
anything like ours, you should be stealing yourself for at

(38:22):
least another eighteen months, surely not only town only two.
If you want to send us a message after ten
o'clock on Newstalks, he'd be your screen time picks for
this weekend. If you're looking for a great new show
to watch your stream, three fantastic recommendations for you, plus
our feature interview live in the studio, Key We legend
Dick Frizzell is going to tell us about growing up

(38:43):
in Hastings in the fifties and sixties and his fantastic
new memoir. News is next. It's almost ten o'clock. I'm
Jack Tam and this is Newstalk's He'd Be.

Speaker 15 (38:53):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Jack Day and v Fewer dot co dot Zeat's a
high quality supplement this News Talks Vredna.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Good morning, Welcome to News Talks eDV. I'm Jack Tayne
with you through the midday today and my guest this
morning live in studio is a bona fide legend of
the New Zealand visual arts scene. Dick Grizell is of
course known for his Kiwiana icons think the four Square
Man with Mock or Mickey Taticki, but has worked across

(39:51):
so many mediums and is about to release a fantastic
new memoir. The book is called Hastings, a Boy's Own
Adventure and it's a collection of stories that Dick has
written about life growing up on the East Coast in
the nineteen fifties and in nineteen sixties.

Speaker 6 (40:07):
Dick's here with us.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
This morning, held a good morning, good morning. Hey, I
just love the concept. I've just said this to you
off microphone. I just I love how you've gone about
writing this. You've really illustrated a kind of vivid, a
vivid picture of your childhood. And I really delighted in
the way you've gone about this.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
But just tell us about tell us about how your
family ended up in Hastings in the first place, because
you were actually born in Auckland, right.

Speaker 16 (40:31):
I was born in Auckland, out at Mount Albert, a
little nursing home that's still there only enough. But when
my father was in the Merchant Navy, an engineer in
the Merchant Navy, and the deal was that he'd come
ashore when I was born. So he came ashore and
got a job on the Dredge and the Aukland. But
as I said in the book, I think the Dredge

(40:51):
was a bit of an anti climax after the convoys
in the Pacific and his sister's back in Hastings, which
is sort of the family seat if you like that, right,
it sounds grand. They offered him this really cheap life
own too, if you go back to Hastings.

Speaker 7 (41:11):
Back to where all the other Brazils were.

Speaker 16 (41:13):
And and Dad, who was a bit strangely unambitious, thought,
oh yeah, he just kind of just did it. So
we left our lovely little sunny flat and Pickton Street
and went to the dim little cottage and the shadow
of Tomato Freezing.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Works, which is which is I mean, you moved around
a little bit, but that's that's where you spent your childhood,
and you you kind of I mean, the boys own
is totally such a such a good description, because really,
this is a collection of adventures that you had as
a little boy.

Speaker 16 (41:49):
I didn't want to. I didn't see that to write
a memoir as such.

Speaker 7 (41:53):
You know.

Speaker 16 (41:53):
Then I did this, and then I did that, and
then I went on here and I wrote I wrote
that thing about me writing a short story for a
short story competition on national radio.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Uh.

Speaker 16 (42:06):
And then I couldn't submit it. I think I got
it wrong. It said if you were I thought it
said if you were a published author, you couldn't submit
but I think it actually said if the story had
been published, you couldn't submit it. And I got it
wrong as usual, which is the story of my life.
My great guiding principle, just get everything wrong and it
would be better than ever. I didn't submit it, but

(42:28):
it got me going, and I've got me thinking about
how the memory works. And I just all those stories,
why don't I just write them down? Because I can write,
you know, writing. Taught myself to write with that diet
journal and things, and once I started, I just couldn't

(42:49):
get over the phenomena of recall, fake or otherwise, you
know what I mean. It just poured out of the
pen because I write with a pencil, because I can
write longhand quicker than I can type. And then if
I write into those mulking notebooks, and that became a thing,
the romantic idea of the mole skin notebooks and everything else.

(43:10):
Of course, you can carry it with you, you carry
there's your pen and your pencil and your pad. You
can write them right on the moon, you know.

Speaker 12 (43:17):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 6 (43:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
That story you're referencing is one of thirty that's in
the book, and that's called Fish in the Barrel. Yes, yes,
it is the story of you and you and you
and a couple of mates who, as kids decided that
you have a go at literally shooting a fish in
a barrel. Right, how did that go down?

Speaker 7 (43:38):
Well, it was a disaster.

Speaker 16 (43:40):
It should be called shooting fish and a half barrel,
really standing over a half barrel with a three three right, Yeah, yeah,
that was funny. That was That was That story was
a collection of incidents that I kind of wove together.
It wasn't sort of quite as straight out as it

(44:02):
sounds in the book, but it kind of more or
less was this.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
This is the funny thing, isn't it. I mean it's
a it is you know, a few decades since the
fifties and early sixties, and yeah, and I mean these
are beautifully collected stories, but I mean I struggle to
remember things from a couple of weeks ago, clearly, And
so I suppose that this has been a kind of
interesting experience in that perspective.

Speaker 16 (44:26):
Well, yes, I mean people have often my family whatever,
have commented about my memory. Is if I'm just making
it up all the time. There he goes again, you know,
like the silly old uncle. And and then I thought, well,
there is. Maybe I have got an interesting memory, and
because I assumed everyone remember things like that, I think

(44:49):
it's something to do with my visual memory too. Being
an artist, I do remember things like like a movie
or like a painting, right, like a tableau. That's I
used that word before. That's exactly like every story is
an assemblage of tableaus.

Speaker 7 (45:05):
If you're read.

Speaker 16 (45:06):
Them, you can see those boys standing around the barrel.
Why that kid gets up climbs up on top of it,
you know, and you can just see them, can't you,
even though I'm one of them. Yeah, you know, But
I was like, I'm there, but I'm actually standing watching
as well, like a time traveler.

Speaker 6 (45:22):
That's the trick, steering down on it.

Speaker 16 (45:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, just standing back under the macro
carp is watching thinking, oh god, you know, get out
of the way, guys.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
I hope we're not giving too much a way to
say that the fish survived. It's lucky the boys did too.

Speaker 7 (45:38):
It's only one of them surviving.

Speaker 16 (45:39):
Yes, yes, but when I keep I tried to keep
it alive with snacks biscuits, and I think the salt Mudey.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Got them in the end.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
As someone who we associate so strongly with visual art.
How do you find storytelling and writing for the eye,
how do you find that as a different creative pursuit.

Speaker 16 (46:03):
Well, the only the only difference that is the mobility,
of the astonishing mobility of it. You don't need all
the paraphernalia of the paint and the easels and the
space and the god knows what. And it's the kind
of transparency is the trick. That's what I mean. I
think my paintings are. That's what they're about. There's no

(46:27):
sort of conceptual skullduggery or whatever you want to call it.
It's just like the thing just laid out, like the landscapes,
just completely laid out. There's no well, I mean there's
conceptual ideas involved in they're about construction and whatever, but
it's the same with the writing. But if it's about openness,

(46:49):
really like leaving yourself wide open and just risking some
sort of integrity to leak through, I mean something like that. Yeah,
it's the same spirit.

Speaker 7 (47:00):
Yeah, if you like.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, So I'm just going to give our listeners a
bit of a kind of flavor of some of the
stories that are in this as well as shooting fish
in the barrel. There are stories about kind of foundational
things in your childhood. I love the story about when
you went to hospital after an appendix issue and the
different characters who were turning up and not because you
got put in in an adult war as opposed to

(47:23):
in the kids.

Speaker 16 (47:23):
Well this is see, this is the magic thing that
how things happen. Yeah, you know, like these things that
happened to you like that, I mean, it was magic that.
Then it became the sort of mascot figure in the war,
you know.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
And the nurses, the nurses were preparing for a ball.

Speaker 7 (47:41):
Gorgeous.

Speaker 16 (47:42):
Honestly, I got goosebumps and I wrote that.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, so yeah, there's that. It's funny because my dad
is of a very similar generation, same generation, and he
when we asked him about his childhood, I remember he
would always tell us about the time that he broke
his femur and spent a couple of months in hospital attraction.
And it's funny, how you know, just reading your story
reminded me of that, and how you know, going to

(48:05):
hospital as a little boy is like a really kind
of exciting and you know, quite affecting experience. Learning to drive,
of course, in Austin Sherborne.

Speaker 7 (48:16):
We never called it the Shoeborn. We didn't know it
was a shoe now Austin Austin.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, yeah, but it's sort of it does kind of
throw back to what feels like a more innocent time.

Speaker 16 (48:29):
Well, it was innocently because there are so many I mean,
the media was limited and it's excess to anything. And
we used to see newsreels at the cinema that was
about it, really, yeah, with all those soldiers marching along
black and white, you know, yeah, and that was all
over there. It's kind of vague that you never got
updates on the war or anything, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Because you would have just you were born in forty three, right,
so you yeah, yeah, so I suppose Korea was still
you know, was was maybe underway when you were old
enough to remember it better.

Speaker 16 (49:00):
Well, I don't think most of the time we didn't
know watch which war we were watching. They're all the same.
There are troops, ships and stuff, you know, and and
it was a very abstract commodity and there was no
I mean, the whole book was written in the time,
and there was like only you wrote letters, you know
what I mean. So communication was so abstract.

Speaker 7 (49:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
That was one one point that struck out to me.
So it's the little details that you've that you've recorded
that make this so special.

Speaker 7 (49:30):
It's definitely about details.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Well, No, this was the one where you talk about
your mum because you're you're one of six kids. You
talk about your mum writing letters to you for years
to come. Once you'd left, once you'd left Hastings and
you'd spread your wings and you're all in different parts
of the country or the world, and your mum would
send you all I think five pages like a carbon copy. Yeah,
and then she would have one page original for each child.

(49:54):
I mean that's delightful.

Speaker 6 (49:56):
Yeah, it is delightful.

Speaker 16 (49:57):
It's so lovely. You know she's of course, she just wrote.
She just wrote anything about having a cup of tea
with a lady next door or whatever. And I actually
was such a little prick really the Varsity and I
wrote to the mom and I said, look, just why
didn't you wait till you've got something to say? Cral thing.

(50:17):
I didn't realize it was just fat at communion.

Speaker 6 (50:20):
Yeah, I didn't know.

Speaker 7 (50:21):
What that was.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
So you listen to Jack Tame on New Books. He'd
be speaking with Dick Frizelle about his book Hastings, A
Boy's Own Adventure. It's a memoile of sorts, a collection
of short stories from his childhood growing up in Hawks Bay.
Do you reflect fondly on your childhood on that innocent time?

Speaker 7 (50:39):
Oh, very much. I had it.

Speaker 16 (50:41):
I had it all to myself. I mean really, I
was the firstborn boy prince with his own room, and
it went like those McDonald duck comics. My sisters weren't
allowed to read the muntil I'd read them, because I
used to like, every time you open a page, you
get all that ink, fresh ink smell and stuff, and
if they read them first, they all those molecules would

(51:01):
have escaped.

Speaker 14 (51:02):
You.

Speaker 6 (51:02):
See, Yeah, you said that.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
So you moved to Hastings because your dad got a
good deal on a mortgage and he had a good
job there. But he was an engineer, so he was
very He wasn't artistically minded. He was very kind of
utilitarian mind.

Speaker 16 (51:18):
Utilitarian. He couldn't like, he couldn't understand the point of art,
because in his mind everything could be solved with engineering.

Speaker 7 (51:27):
You didn't need art. It was. He was totally bewildered
by the idea where did it fit. And yet he
read a lot. He liked his.

Speaker 16 (51:36):
Novels Raphael Sabatini and all that sort of stuff, and
he got me onto reading. But he somehow he didn't
equate literally with art, literature with art. It was art
was it was just a swanky rubbish over here, you know, funny,
really weird. And he was terrified because he'd been in
the navy. He seemed to have a really interesting idea

(52:01):
about gay what wasn't called gay then, you know, queers
and things. Yeah, it's funny saying words like that out loud.
But he would say all say strange elliptical things like
to me, like just stay away from the bows and Richard,
what's that? And then I used to a favorite comic
that he used to he bought me when I was

(52:22):
six months called Chocolate and the Boson, which was a
little black kid with you know, stereotype looking big round
eyes and everything. And I used to think, what's this?
He was a Boson? Yeah, it's so complicated, I can't
tell you, Jack. And and so if I just if
I did anything like sigh deeply or whatever, Dad would.

Speaker 7 (52:44):
Panic and think I was.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Because yeah, it was a different time.

Speaker 6 (52:52):
It was a different times.

Speaker 7 (52:54):
Yes, it's weird, it's amazing how we've.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Got Yeah, yeah, so so. I mean I imagine that a
lot of the time when people write mean wise, they
do it to kind of, you know, in their own
mind and and their readers distinguish between nature and nurture
and all that kind of thing and see the different
events and people that help shape them become who they become.
Do you feel like that was that was part of

(53:17):
this process as well?

Speaker 7 (53:18):
Do you know?

Speaker 16 (53:19):
I honestly, like I wrote on the forward or the introduction, that.

Speaker 7 (53:24):
You can you can do that. You can you can set.

Speaker 16 (53:29):
Out to try and understand yourself, or you can just
write stories about yourself. And as I said, I think
the former just leaks into the latter. If you if
you're just open, if you just let it go, your
personality is quickly going to be exposed. You knows who
you are and how you came to be. And this

(53:50):
kind of slightly dopey observer because I never seem to
initiate anything. I was never like that participate, although with
all these adventurous layabouts from Havelock North and that would
be they would say, let's go and play snooker and
you know, you're up in the snooker hall, and I.

Speaker 7 (54:08):
Would never have dreamed of doing that.

Speaker 16 (54:10):
Or let's go up here, let's go up here, and
let's do this, and they say let's drive up to
the top of the Tomato Peak in your mum's car.
I'd think, oh God, and I could never say no.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
So it was.

Speaker 16 (54:21):
But the thing I had to myself was the art.
You see, I initiate. That was my world and they
weren't in it at all, so I so the rest
of it. I just went along with it. And that's
kind of how the book happened.

Speaker 6 (54:35):
Really, it's a real delight thing.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
It really is. Hastings a Boy's Own Adventure as a
new memoir by Dick Frizell, a collection of wonderful stories
about life growing up in Hastings in the fifties and
early sixties. Thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 7 (54:48):
It was a pleasure.

Speaker 6 (54:49):
Good, No, it really was.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
We'll make sure all of the details for Dick's book
are up and available on the news talks He'd beg website.
Right now, it is twenty three minutes past ten. Your
screen time picks for this weekend.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Next start your Weekend Off in Style. Saturday Mornings with
Jack Team and deepe It Dot Coder for high quality Supplements,
News talks, v.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
AH, thank you for your feedback. Jack. An awesome interview
with Dick Frizzell this morning. I've got his artwork. Give
thanks for a wonderful Saturday, Suzanne, Thank you, Anne. Our
ninety two. Ninety two is the text number if you
want to send us a message. I've got to say
reading Dick's book just reminded me so much of the
stories that my dad told me about growing up. Dare
grew up in ash Burton in the sixties and the
early sixties, and yeah, it's so funny how the kind

(55:31):
of analogous for the experiences. So we'll get to more
ready feedback very shortly. Right now, though, it's time to
catch up with Tara Award our screen time Expert, for
her screen time picks for this week's shows to watch
your stream at home. Hey Tara, good morning. Okay, let's
begin with a show streaming on Neon and Sky Open
from tomorrow. Tell us about Secrets at Red Rocks.

Speaker 17 (55:52):
Yeah, this is a really lovely New New Zealand show
that starts tomorrow. It's a drama based on an award
winning children's book by Rachel King, and it stars Dominic
Hoorna Atiki and Jim Murray Arty. And it was filmed
on Wellington's South Coast. And it's about a boy, a
twelve year old boy named Jake who arrives to stay
with his dad for a bit. He's out exploring on

(56:13):
the beach one day when he finds a mysterious sealskin
in a cave and he takes the sealskin home and
accidentally unlocks this magic spell that puts his whole family
in danger. And the story weaves together ancient Malti myth
and Celtic lengind with this sort of very modern contemporary
setting and gives it a mystical vibe and a touch

(56:34):
of the supernatural. And it is essentially a kid's show,
but it's screening in primetime on Sky Open Tomorrow night.
And I loved this. I watched this with a big
smile on my face. It's a show that all the
family can watch together. It's warm and magical and quite
nostalgic as well. It reminded me a lot of the
shows that I grew up watching in the nineteen eighties,
those New Zealand cadult dramas that we used to make

(56:57):
that were real adventure stories. You know, the kids were
the heroes and they got into all sorts of scrapes
and solve crimes and this has that similar wholesome but
it'd been feel to it and beautifully shot as well.
The Wellington Coast is the perfect setting for this story.
Don't be put off at don't be put off by
it being a kid show, is what I'm saying. It's
a really lovely New Zealand drama.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Great Okay, this sounds awesome. Secrets at Red Rock So
that's on Neon and Sky open from tomorrow on TVNZ plus.
Tell Us about Dope Girls.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (57:27):
This is a new British series that just landed on
TVNZ Plus today. It's set after World War One in
London and it's about what happens as all the men
return from the war and the women who have been
managing things for the past four years have to readjust
and find their place again.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
And it follows one.

Speaker 17 (57:44):
Woman who decides to set up a nightclub in Soho.
She meets another character who is part of the Female Experiment,
which is one of she's one of the first ever
female police officers, and they get tangled up with a
local crime family who's led by another very strong, dominant woman.
So it's about a group of women whose lives crossover

(58:06):
at a time when society is changing really quickly and
they have to be very inventive and resourceful to survive.
And even though this is a historical drama, it feels
very modern and theatrical. It's got big energy, it's got
a modern soundtrack. It's not one of those dry kind
of historical dramas, and it reminded me a lot of
peaky Blinders. You've got a bit of crime, you've got

(58:28):
some family politics that's set after the war, and it's
got some real energy and color to it as well.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Cool Okay, that's dope, girls. It's on TVNZ Plus. Also
on TVNZ plus.

Speaker 17 (58:37):
Protection and This is the latest British crime thriller to
TVNZ Plus and it stars Chevorn finner And who was
in Downtown Abbey and Happy Valley, and she plays a
witness protection officer called Liz, who is in charge of
protecting a family who are about to testify in a
major organized crime trial. She's also having an affair with

(58:59):
a married colleague, and when the safety of her witnesses
is compromised by the colleague she's having the affair with.
Liz needs to find out how this happened. Is she
the one who has accidentally compromised this case when she's
met up with him and revealed information that she shouldn't
or is this corruption coming from somewhere else in her team.
This started really well. It begins as a really solid

(59:21):
British crime drama and it's got that twist of the
witness protection angle, which I really liked. But there were
a couple of things at the end of the first
episode that were a little bit cliched, and I do
wonder if this is going to go off the rails
a bit more as it goes on. But Sevarn Finnrant
is so good in this. Catherine Kelly stars in this
as well, so it's got a great cast. It's definitely

(59:42):
worth a watch, I reckon, as long as you don't
mind a few crime drama cliches chucked in there as
you go along.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah right, okay, it's called Protection. That's on TVNZ.

Speaker 6 (59:51):
Plus.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Hey you have Tara I finally caught up, you know
how I'm absolutely hopeless at watching shows when they immediately
come out, and it takes me months or years to
catch up. Well, one of the upsides of having a
two and a half week old baby who just loves
being up all night is that I have had a
little bit of extra time and finally saw The Day
of the Jackal. It's so good.

Speaker 16 (01:00:10):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
I just honestly and jeecked it into my veins. It
was I just every frame, every minute, loved it, absolutely
loved it. So they're making a season two of that now.
I think they've anounced, so I'm very very pleased about that. Yeah,
so I'm glad to have finally caught up on that recommendation.
Thank you so much. Tara shows for this week Secrets
at Red Rocks. That's on Neon and Sky Open from

(01:00:31):
tomorrow and on TV and Z Plus, Dope Girls and Protection.
It has just gone ten thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks.

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Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
You might not know the song yet, You're gonna hear
a whole lot of it though you recognize that voice.
And I Reckon you will recognize that style as well.
That is, of course Lady Gaga, and Gaga has returned
to pop. See, there's this thing called recession pop. Apparently
Gaga's really closely associated with it. Basically, it's used to
describe a genre of music that gained popularity during economic hardship.

(01:01:30):
So it's often upbeat, it's often fun, like a kind
of escapist. It kind of contrasts the financial struggles of
the economic moment. So if you think about it, Gaga
had a breakthrough back in two thousand and eight when
she had her first album, The Fame, and of course
two thousand and eight had its massive economic crisis. And anyway,
her brand new album is kind of a return to

(01:01:51):
that sound. So really high energy, poppy anthems, deeply personal
reflective moments, but it's all kind of joyous. So anyway,
we're gonna have a bit of a listen to a
new album this morning. The album's called Mayhem. It has
been very very very keenly anticipated, so we're going to
make sure we save plenty of time before twelve o'clock
midday so we can listen to the album and our

(01:02:13):
music reviewer will give us her thoughts.

Speaker 6 (01:02:15):
On it as well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Right now it is twenty five minutes to eleven. You
were Jack Tame on News Dog ZEDB, digging.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Into the issues that affect you the mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 20 (01:02:26):
So, no, the airline is not in great shape. It
is at best okay. And no, this doesn't look like
a job completed in any way, shape or ball. It
looked like a fairly dull old the fair, didn't it.
A handful of people sitting on cheap chairs in a room,
and Phil looked like, jeez, I got a three afternoon
I might go along and ask it. They had that
vibe about it, didn't. It really didn't need to be
the career ending mess that it turned out to be.

(01:02:48):
So no terrifts at all on anything for Mexico. Canada
is still in the gun. The agriculture has been moved on.
Maybe maybe not, but yesterday we got the cats who
the hell.

Speaker 7 (01:02:57):
Knows what's going on?

Speaker 20 (01:02:58):
Back Monday from six am the mic Hosking Breakfast with
the rain drove of the last news talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Even on new Stalk seed B. Jack Tame with you
through to midday, and our textbot Paul Stenhouse is here
with us this morning. Paul, one of the founders of Google,
has a brand new company and this is going to
come as a huge shock to everyone listening this morning.
It involves AI.

Speaker 9 (01:03:22):
Yeah, a surprise, it really does.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
But this AI.

Speaker 9 (01:03:25):
Company is not trying to solve things in your digital life, right,
It's not trying to rewrite something or summarize something. Instead,
its whole goal is to create physical products and then
send them to manufacturing. And they say that the goal
is to make the products highly optimize.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
That's their word for.

Speaker 21 (01:03:43):
Efficient creation in the factory.

Speaker 9 (01:03:45):
So one would assume that this AI is looking at
all of this data that has gone on in factories before,
looking at how things are made, and then trying to
then if you say, build me a whatever, it's going
to then try and do that in the most optimized
fashion so that you can get it out the door
as assumingly quickly and cheaply as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
But it's a very small team at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Jack.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
The website basically.

Speaker 9 (01:04:11):
Doesn't say anything, but this is in stealth mode, as
they say in the industry, and they're tinkering away at
how this can be a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Okay, Well, speaking of AI, a couple of big developments
from cht GPT. They're looking to launch something called Promax
plus What that was mean?

Speaker 12 (01:04:29):
That was?

Speaker 9 (01:04:29):
That was just me putting That was just me putting
the name in there, because they're looking to launch a
new AI agent that's like two hundred and forty thousand
dollars a year. It's twenty thousand dollars a month, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
So what do you call it this way?

Speaker 9 (01:04:42):
Is it pro max plus plus max pro I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
I mean that is like the the super yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:04:50):
So that is going to, they say, be so highly
specialized that it will basically be good enough to do
like PhD research with. Okay, so this is they're talking
this is going to be like the top of the line,
who knows what it's going to be able to produce?

Speaker 19 (01:05:08):
Crazy thing.

Speaker 9 (01:05:09):
Yeah, but they're also looking to do some agents at
a slightly more economical price point too. But this is
the bit that got me Jack. They're doing one that's
two thousand dollars a month, right, and they say that
it's looking to replace high income knowledge workers their words.
And then a software developer developer agent for ten thousand

(01:05:31):
dollars a month.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Wow, they're actually so tender.

Speaker 9 (01:05:34):
It's one hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
That is reasonable.

Speaker 9 (01:05:39):
I was going to say that's a whole person's salary, right,
but then it's still going to need a human to
prompt it and help with and integrate and all of
those things that it does, so that then becomes quite expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Yes, and I'm presuming they don't do like a free
trial period, which is what I'll be doing if you can,
I sign up to the one that's quarter of a
million dollars a year, but just do a free trial
month and then on day twenty nine cancel it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Maybe not.

Speaker 9 (01:06:03):
So these are all apparently still in the works because
they're really trying to figure how to monetize all of this.
Interesting to note write, the most expensive plane at the moment,
which their founder Sam Oltman said he put the price
on and he thought it was really expensive and didn't
think people would buy it, is two hundred dollars a month.
So the fact they're talking about these AI agents being
two ten twenty thousand dollars a month.

Speaker 6 (01:06:27):
Boy, yeah, pretty extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Okay, well we'll wait and see it. I guess as
to what kind of people might be signing up to that,
but yeah, fascinating, Thank you, Paul. I suppose it means
you get the absolute cutting edge of their technology and
their computing power, which is kind of critical when it
comes to these AI tools. Now, before eleven o'clock, our
man is in the garden with some perennial problem stuff
that goes wrong with your runner beans and that kind

(01:06:51):
of thing. So he's going to join us with those
very shortly. Next up, your wine pick for this week
from our Master of Wine, Bob Campbell. Right now, it's
eighteen to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
A little bit of way to kick off your weekend
than with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Day and be
fewured on for high quality supplements used Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
eNB sixteen to eleven, Non News Talks EDB For his
best buy this week, our Master of Wine, Bob Campbell,
has chosen ad Ima Petti twenty twenty two Baron Edmund
de Rothschild Plot one oh one Sovignon blanc for forty
five dollars. Bob's with us. Now, I killed a pop
So why did you go to this?

Speaker 14 (01:07:28):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Why did you pick the sovignon?

Speaker 10 (01:07:30):
Oh it's it's I think It's a Kiwi wine with
a French accent, so I think I think it captures
the best of both worlds. Remapuri is owned by the
prestige French wine group Baron Edmund the Rothschild, and it's
they don't miss around when it comes to wine quality.

(01:07:51):
It's made from mole will growing grape, so it is
a Kiwi wine. But as I said, with a French touch,
Servinon doesn't get much better than this bottle. Age has
bellowed the wine and added complex flows. It's got a
this is the top one one, which is their limited
edition top end Seruvignon. Yeah, it's just I just can't

(01:08:19):
rave up enough about it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Really fantastic. What does it taste like?

Speaker 10 (01:08:25):
Well, it's hand picked and aged on the yeast leaves
with fifty percent fermented in barrels, and it gives the
wine an extra rich texture while still retaining sort of
plenty of good old Marlborough serving fruit flavors.

Speaker 6 (01:08:41):
Yeah, sorry, no, you go.

Speaker 10 (01:08:45):
I was just gonna say it's a seriously complex serving on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Yeah yeah, and you reckon. It's pretty good value, not
the cheapest wine in the world, but you think because
it's so good it represents really good value.

Speaker 10 (01:08:56):
Yeah, special occasion stuff. As I said, it's not cheap,
but it is good, which in my book makes a
good value wine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
And can you buy it, Bob Well?

Speaker 10 (01:09:05):
I found the glen Garry wines, but you'll have to
shop around if or Glengarry've got it for thirty seven
ninety nine, which is a good deal, but you'll certainly
have to shop around. It's not the sort of wine
you'd pick up in a supermarket.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
No, what would you met you with? Do you think,
Bob Well?

Speaker 10 (01:09:23):
I had it last night with homemade smoked salmon pizza
and it went extremely well. My favorite is actually green
lip muscle footers. I think that really hits the spot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Oh fantastic. So seafood really goes well with it. And
do you think it'll keep?

Speaker 10 (01:09:42):
It's good drinking now, but it should. I think it
should get even more interesting over the next two to
three years. There's certainly no rush and it does demonstrate
how well Savignon can age.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Yeah, yeah, superbo. It sounds great, thanks Bob. So there's
Arima Petti twenty twenty two Baron Edmund de Vroth's child
Plot one O one Sauvignon Blanc will have the details
up on the News Talks. He'd be website, like Bob says,
could be a good option for special occasions. Hey, thank
you very much for feedback this morning, Jack, you are
a gas this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Sailee Lady Gaga's album, first album, I still play, still
love It's timeless, so looking forward to her new one.
And thank you so much for Dick Frizzelle's chat. So inspiring.
I often start to write short stories about my life,
but I can never quite get there is Lee. It
is just a really nice way of going about a memoir.
That's what the thing with Dick, because Dick's actually just

(01:10:35):
he's a great storyteller. And the thing about his book
is there're lots of just little vignettes. So there are
thirty stories and they're all just little pockets of lovely
little stories from his kind of experiences in childhood. So yeah,
I can't recommend that enough. And if you missed that interview,
it's up on the News Talks. He'd be website now.
Right now, it is twelve minutes to eleven. We're in
the garden next on Newstalks.

Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Rude climb Past is our man in the garden. He's
with us this morning, killed to.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Sir, cureda jack.

Speaker 8 (01:11:08):
I am in the garden because there've been a few
problems around the gardening. Say, oh, yes, a few problems.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Oh, you wouldn't go down well at my place. Rude,
you know nothing but success stories in the Tame family garden. Actually,
you know what I got to say. Sorry, we'll get
into things in a minute, get into your various issues.
My capsicums this year, it's the first time I've first
summer I've had a crack at growing capsicums, and I
don't want to talk it up too much, but I've
absolutely crushed it. I don't know what I did, but

(01:11:38):
for some reason, I reckon. I've got maybe fifteen or
twenty capsicans on one plant.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
Not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
It's not a bit of squat. They're a bit sort
of they're a bit sort of short and fat as
opposed to they don't get their kind of long, you know,
sometimes you get them. They're quite nice and long. But
they're beautiful, red and sweet, gorgeous.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
That's right.

Speaker 8 (01:11:57):
So you sometimes have green ones that become red as well, or.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, you keep them going.

Speaker 8 (01:12:05):
No, this is wonderful here because, to be quite honest,
it is really nice to have fresh capsicums. Whether you
fry them or whether you have them, you know, smashed
up into and sell it, that'll be wonderful. And the
irony is that basically all you need is a little
bit of general fertilizer to do it. You don't need

(01:12:25):
any major troubles there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah, well it's real that I'm reporting on a success
from our garden. So I'm pleased that I can do that.
When you get into your perennial troubles.

Speaker 8 (01:12:35):
Oh yeah, well let's do that. But I reckon money.
When he grows a little bit older, will probably love those.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
There is something about growing something that's a really vibrant
red that's quite exciting.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
It's just it's just just looks good, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:12:51):
Anyway, Yes, it.

Speaker 8 (01:12:51):
Is certainly now perennial troubles. This was an interesting thing
because over the last few weeks Pete Wolfkemp and I
have been talking about Skylett runner beans that caused quite
a bit of problem in New Zealand And and once,
you know, once somebody starts, everybody calls up talk back,
and it's like that a little bit. So that's how
that went. So this is the story. Actually, I started

(01:13:14):
working on scarlet runner beans and I ended up talking
to a friend of mine, a really good DSA I
made from way back, and we ended up talking about dahlias,
and for some silly reason, the problems at the scarlet
runners may well be related to the same sort of
troubles on dahlias. And this is what what I thought
I'd better have a check about. First of all, what

(01:13:36):
we heard with the scarlet runners is very simple. There
were suddenly no more bean pots growing at certain stage
of their development, despite they kept their normal light and
the normal height and the normal food and all that
sort of stuff, and they basically started turning yellow. The
leaves were going down and down was awful. So that

(01:13:57):
that was the problem. And we thought, and I thought,
you enough to go yellow and they go fungaled. I
haven't heard about a new variety of fungus in New
Zealand that this could be, so, you know, I had
no idea. So we started talking about scarlett runners full stop.
They come from Central America, right they like. Also, this
is for people who actually want to ever look at this.

(01:14:18):
They like well drained soil, loam in a sunny spot.
I reckon. You can grow them really well where you
are Okay, you plant the seeds under a really tall
support so they can climb up. They go up and
up and up, and then the root systems when they're
finally finished at the end of the season. The root
systems will actually survive the next winter for the next crop.

(01:14:40):
So they are literally, technically speaking, perennials, right. They don't
need a lot of nitrogen because they are actually nitrogen fixers.
They've got these little creatures on their root zone that
can actually take nitrogen out of the air and turn
it into fertilizers, which I think is quite a clever
trick of plants to do their long seasons. Growers. They're

(01:15:03):
regular waterers, but not do wet please, and that's stuff.
And you harvest the mature pods regularly. If you don't
do that, you could get into trouble. So what could
cause this trouble with beans? Lack of pollination, not enough pollinators,
hot weather, you know, lack of water. Bees sometimes chew

(01:15:24):
the back of the flowers and developing fruit to get
at the at the nectar. And that's not good either.
So I decided to call Keith Hammett. He's an old
maid of mine and he is also well known for
his sweet peas and his New Zealand Daily Thing, and
he came up with a really cool story, namely that
the yellowing and the ill thrift of the skylet runner

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could well have something to do what he saw in
the UK where he came from. See in the UK,
these climbing beans are grown as annuals, not as perennials, right,
so you actually get rid of them after a year.
And the reason is very simple because and it's the
same with dahlia. Actually it's very simple. You in the

(01:16:08):
warm climate you can keep the tubers in the soil,
you know, but not in England, so you really have
to get rid of them otherwise those roots are starting
to go down the gurglar. And if you compare that
what he knows about daily as, it's quite interesting because
when you leave dailier tubers in the soil for several
growing seasons, the performance falls away. It goes down the

(01:16:32):
gurglers slowly, and it's literally that is what causing the troubles.
So maybe there is this little connection between the same
thing with dahlias that are overwintering and the scarlet runners
that overwinter as well. If you keep them too long,
they go down the gurglar. So he says he's got

(01:16:54):
you've got them. So what he says is, look, I've
got three tripods of scarlet runners. One of them is
doing exactly what all your callers are saying. And he
attributes it to stress and to all the tubers if
you like giving up the ghost literally saying that's it.
I've had enough, I've done so, yeah, all right, exactly.

(01:17:17):
Our idea is to get new things at new seats
in spring to save you that vessel.

Speaker 7 (01:17:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Hey, thanks RhoD, that's great, really appreciate that. Very good sir.
You have a wonderful weekend and we will catch you
again soon. Route climb past our man in the garden.
We're stacking with the veg theme right after the eleven
o'clock news. We're going to look at the difference and
cost and quality between the fruit and vegi boxes you
can get as a subscription service versus the fruit and

(01:17:43):
vegis you get at the supermarket. Not so that I'm
producing quite enough caps comes yet to be offering a
subscription service. They're good, though, trust me, they're good. I'm
not put a photo up on my Facebook page actually
so you can have a look be impressed at what
we're growing at the same household. One time News is
Next is almost eleven you with news Dogs.

Speaker 12 (01:18:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Good morning and welcome to news Talks EDB Jack Tame
with you through the midday today. You know, I had
this crazy experience a couple of years ago. Longtime listeners
of the show will know that when we began Saturday
Mornings together, we broadcast from New York. So I think
for the first four years of doing the show, we
broadcast every week from New York, and we had this

(01:18:57):
amazing kind of experience because the studios from which we
would broadcast were in Tribeca, the part of Manhattan the
triangle below Canal Street, Try Bear Car, and it was
in a studio that was shared by some of the
big top forty radio stations and wrap stations and hip

(01:19:19):
hop stations in New York at the time, and of course,
when you have an audience the size of the audience
in New York and you are an American station, you
can command some pretty impressive guests from time to time.
So I had this remarkable experience one day, coming in
and talking on what was a Friday evening, New York time,
Saturday morning on News talks 'B, coming in to do

(01:19:40):
the show as I did every week, and in the studio,
directly next to me, like literally meeters away, Lady Gargar
was being interviewed by the Top forty radio station. Unfortunately,
she had a few too many security guards with her,
so I couldn't just pop over and say, excuse me,
excuse me. I was hoping that you might come through
and speak to News Talk Z'B in New Zealand as well.

(01:20:03):
But yeah, it was one of these kind of remarkable things. Anyway,
Since then, Gaga has had an interesting career. She's had
a couple of big film roles, She's released a couple
of very interesting albums. But this year she is releasing
a brand new album called Mayhem that kind of goes
back to her roots. Goes back to the Gaga music

(01:20:25):
of two thousand and eight, the really poppy, club kind
of upbeat music of her debut album. And so we're
gonna have a listen to former day. We'll get our
music views thoughts on it as well and see just
how well Gaga has done in reclaiming her original sound.
Right now, it's nine minutes past eleven. Team and sustainability

(01:20:47):
expert Kate Hall aka Ethically Kate is with us this morning.
More than a good morning.

Speaker 22 (01:20:53):
Good morning from down south.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Oh where are you? Down south?

Speaker 22 (01:20:57):
I am in Oatmatata. Oh yeah, I'm on a high
country farm. Yeah, just right in the middle of There's
not much green here, dusty, kind of barren land, but
it's so stunning.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
I mean it's it's like down by been more kind
of area, isn't it. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh that's
a beautiful. Yeah yeah, kind of all madamers, just up
the road kind of central Otago.

Speaker 6 (01:21:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
So if you were kind of if you were driving
from from like Wanica through to Waimati or wama Do
on the on the on the east coast of the
South Island kind of North Otago, that's where you are
right that'sh it's beautiful. That is an absolutely stunning parlor
the country. Yeah, to the north. I was going to say, yeah,

(01:21:47):
it's kind of way tak Yeah, I think yeah, which
is beautiful, beautiful part of the country. Anyway, Hey, this
move this morning, Kate. We're talking veggie boxes, and I
think lots of us have experimented with different ways of
getting produced and fruit and veggies and and groceries over
the last few years. You know, you've got various grocery
and food subscription services, but you have been subscribing to

(01:22:09):
like a locally grown fruit and vegetable box and comparing
that with the offerings at your supermarket. And it turns
out that actually getting your produce from a local veggie
box company isn't any more expensive than going to the supermarket.

Speaker 12 (01:22:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:22:24):
Well often, actually it's cheaper. And I think people they
have this perception that going to the farmer's market or
you're getting that locally produced organic box delivered to their
door is going to be so much more expensive and
we're all trying to stay over at the moment in particular,
but it's actually cheaper. I did a comparison of an

(01:22:45):
organic fruit and veggie box compared with you know, if
I bought every kind of item at a local countdown
and it was twenty two dollars and thirteen cents cheaper
to get the box and that was a delivery considering
as well. So I think we need to really just
bust that meth of Ohm's markets are so expensive and

(01:23:08):
you know, organic and more boutique stores, they're just so
much more expensive. I'm just going to enter the supermarket
and get it all there because it's we're going to
save money and we're supporting you know, local farmers and
local smaller organizations who, yeah, observe our money much more usually.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Yeah, well, I mean certainly supporting local makes a lot
of sense. And the good thing with the with like
getting a fruit and veggie box is that you can
be pretty confident that the stuff you're getting is in
season right, like hasn't been flown in from some you know,
tropical corner of the world. You can be pretty confident
that actually this is in season. It means going to
be really healthy and often cheaper as well. So what

(01:23:51):
kind of what kind of subscription services would you recommend
from your research? What might be some good options?

Speaker 22 (01:23:58):
So one of my personal favorites is misfit Garden, and
that's because it is. I mean, it's not just a
great bang for your back, but it's also they work
directly with the farmers. So they asked the farmers and
communicate around just so you said, seasonal fruit. But sometimes
some of their veges you are too big or too

(01:24:20):
small or like slightly just slightly not up to standards
for what we expect in the supermarket, which I think
is ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (01:24:28):
But here we are.

Speaker 22 (01:24:30):
So they work directly with the farmers and put together
a box. So it's pretty exciting. I personally like the
excitement of what arrives in it. With any box, you
often yeah, just don't know what's gonna what's gonna happen.
So that is a brilliant one, really really good. I've
always had good experience with it turning up and it's

(01:24:52):
called misfit, but honestly, sometimes I'm like, why is this
stuff being rejected? It's crazy. We've got wonky box. Most
people know about places like Oxford Fresh perfectly imperfect. Again,
it's working with produce that is slightly imperfect but one
hundred percent edible and you know, as often actually looks

(01:25:13):
and tastes even more nutritious.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Yeah, so how do you how do you decide what
to cook because you don't know what's coming right?

Speaker 22 (01:25:20):
No, well, I've actually never been a recipe or meal planner.
And yeah, I know a lot of people use recipes
and meal planning, you know, to reduce their food waste.
But for me, I find, you know, when I get
that box. Firstly, it's taken away any decision fatigue. I
don't have to stand in the supermarket going.

Speaker 17 (01:25:39):
Should I buy five apples or two?

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
You know, it's like it's just there.

Speaker 22 (01:25:43):
You get what you're given. And it forces me to
experiment with different foods, you know that, like col rabie
or I personally don't love beetroot, but when beat troots
is in season and it's in the box, I get,
you know, experimental, and I've done things like made beetroot
brownie and you know, it kind of forces you out

(01:26:05):
of your company.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
I'm just going to roast it thea to balsamic bego.

Speaker 22 (01:26:09):
Yep, that sounds good.

Speaker 12 (01:26:11):
This sounds good too.

Speaker 22 (01:26:12):
Chocolate brownie though, yeah. Yeah, so that's that's how I do.
I know some people, you know, struggle with not knowing
exactly what's going to turn out. But you can put
a little notes and this is for you know, most
of the Vigi box subscriptions nationwide. You can put a
note and say, you know, I'm allergic to a mandarins,

(01:26:35):
or you know, please don't put in letters because we've
got heaps of it in the garden. Things like that.
So you can't obviously fully curate the box, but you
can just add a few notes and they're usually happy
to oblige.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Yeah, that makes a lot of things. I was going
to say. The other option is this is what AI
is good at if it gives you a chance. No,
it really is, though. This is one of those good
things where you can just be like, okay, I've got
three beat roots, seven turnips and amandain what can you make?
And it'll go it, you know exactly. Yeah, yeah, there

(01:27:08):
you go. There you good. Okay, I know you've You've
got a great little collection of some of the companies
that he recommend on ethically Kate dot com, and of
course everyone can find you by searching the social media
platforms ethically Kate as well. Thank you so much, Kate.
Enjoy being in the beautiful South Island and we will
catch you again very soon. Right now it is sixteen
past eleven. We're traveling a little further north, taking you

(01:27:30):
through the Ruapehu district. With tips for traveling there in autumn.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Now and travel corresponded. Mike Yardley is here today, Keilder, Mike.

Speaker 19 (01:27:45):
Golder, Jack, what do you reckon? We're going to knock
over India tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Ah, yes, no, but I am anxious about not having
met Henry. I'm really anxious about it, Henry. If we
have no Mett Henry, I think it's a very tricky. Indeed, God,
I would love to see it though. It's just all
on you know, it's all in the indians favor at
the moment, isn't it being? You know, it does feel
it does feel a bit ragged. And you know, when
you have a population of coming on two billion versus

(01:28:14):
a population of just over five million, it's like, wow,
come on. But yeah, no, I'll be I'll be gladly
volunteering for the night shift tomorrow night at our place
so I can see that. Can't wait for them. Yeah,
very exit o'clock. I think is first ball name for
the ICC Champions Trophy Final. Anyway, we're focusing this morning
on a few autumn frolics in the Uapehu district, and

(01:28:35):
the region kind of has outdoorsy adventures for all seasons.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
A.

Speaker 19 (01:28:41):
No doubt about it, Jack, And before the ski bunnies
rock into town, I think autumn is a fantastic time
to explore the National Park because the some crowds have
thinned out yet the weather's still really agreeable. So if
you want to take a really good romp up mount
a pair who jump on that skywhaker from Fucker Papa
Village and check out the mountain trails because there are

(01:29:04):
about ten kilometers of designated trailers around the higher reaches
of the mountain, and at this time of year it
is such a great chance to admire the dramatic terrain
that mash up of volcanic rock and Parmesan scoria before
the winter snowcoat arrives. So you do it over the
next couple of months.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
What altitude does the skywalker climb to?

Speaker 19 (01:29:27):
Two thy twenty meters, so it's a true alpine gondola.
I've often admired the Swiss and their engineering audacity, you
know with the various cable cars systems, but this really
is sort of projecting that same sense of sheer can
do gall and it's actually a whopping ride. It takes

(01:29:51):
a distance of about two kilometers to get from the
base station up to Knowlridge chalet at the top, so
it's a massive gondola system and if you do take
a ride before the end of April, this is the
cherry on top jack at nol Ridelle. They are serving
New Zealand's highest high tea. So what could be better

(01:30:13):
than just scoffing on a teared stand of tasty morsels
as you overlook the pinnacles up top of the mountain.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
At two thousand meters as well. So that's yeah, that's impressive.
If you go a bit live then further blow in
the National Park, what short walks would you recommend?

Speaker 19 (01:30:31):
Yeah, when I was there a couple of weeks ago,
there were a lot of hikers actually just checking out
all the different walks, but I reckon the pick of
the bunch is the Tarfai Falls Walk because it's very
family friendly and you get such a great little slice
of mountain forest or that tour tour and beach forest
on the trail making your way to that waterfall, tumbling

(01:30:53):
over the edge of an ancient lava flow. And of
course for movie fans it's a go to because it
was one of the two waterfalls used in Lord of
the Rings that depicted golumn fishing. Now the track the
Tarfi Falls that starts close to the chateau, and I
have to say, Jack, it was so sad to see

(01:31:13):
it in such a sorry, mothballed state. The word is, though,
and several locals said this to me a couple of
weeks ago, The word is a certain billionaire. Oh, it
is current, currently in negotiations to breathe new life into
that Grand Lady, I hasten to add, it's an Irish billionaire,

(01:31:35):
not a Canadian this time.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Okay. Oh what's the space though? Okay, if you're looking
for a bigger kind of day hike, what would you recommend.

Speaker 19 (01:31:46):
Well, I've just knocked off the two Papakura Falls walk
for the first time. So this is on Fish's Road,
just out of National Park Village, and you've got two choices.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Really.

Speaker 19 (01:31:56):
It begins with a very easy twenty minute walk to
the Tartanaky lookout. The reason it's called that is because
you get this very unique perspective. You can see Mount
Tartanaki and Mount Ruapehu from the same.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Spot, which is pretty cool.

Speaker 19 (01:32:11):
But keep going because beyond the lookout the trail becomes
a backcountry adventure track through the magnificent Urua Forest. The
whole war will take about four hours to complete, but
you just see so many native trees in that forest
and the sweep reward right at the end, the sparkling
lookout on the very long drop of the two Papakura falls.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Do it, Hey, what's attracting the crowds to or fungal.

Speaker 19 (01:32:40):
Yes, Orfungo is home to the orhenatong A Scenic Reserve
and this is such a gem this place because it
was about a decade ago that the local residents of
Orfungo banded together to bring the BirdLife back to this
unlogged native pottercar forest. The predators had gone killed the birds,
so they decided to kill the predators and they've sent

(01:33:01):
them packing. So it's now also one of our national
Kiwi sentries. It is home to a burgeoning population of
native birdies and you've got this fantastic loop track around
the reserve, which is just the ultimate in forest bathing.
I gave a massive six hundred year old Tottara tree
a fresh hug. I had given them a hug four

(01:33:23):
years ago, and I thought, this tall boy needs a
fresh hug. Yes, I'm still a very absolutely I am
still a happy little tree hugger.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
That's nice.

Speaker 6 (01:33:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Well, and for something kind of curious and quirky, close
to Hakun, tell us about the car graveyard.

Speaker 19 (01:33:40):
For a docent classic Keviana.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
This is just so cool.

Speaker 19 (01:33:44):
So it's Horipito Motors and this is the place that
featured in both The Smash Palace and Goodbye pork Pie.
In fact, the business is nicknamed Smash Palace, so you
can see all of the film andabilia there. But check
out the vast a car graveyard because this place is
the biggest vintage car dismantling operation Australasia. It's like this

(01:34:08):
enormous op shop for old cars and a lot of
the parts shipped all over the world.

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
Truly quirky.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
And is it like like it looks nice.

Speaker 6 (01:34:18):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
It's not like it a giant dump or anything.

Speaker 19 (01:34:21):
No, it's sort of orderly.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that.

Speaker 19 (01:34:29):
Yeah, nice, Yeah, orderly and rustic.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Yes, okay, you go quite literally. I suppose yes, that's cool.
I like that. I like a off the beating track
kind of. Okay, thank you very much, sir. That sounds great.
To make sure all of those tips are up and
available on the news talks'd be website. The best thing,
the best place to go for everything from our show.
If you just want to go straight through to all

(01:34:53):
the stuff that we recommend us to, go to News Talks,
he'db dot co dot nz Ford slash Jack and we'll
have links to everything there. Right now, it is twenty
six minutes past eleven. You were Jacktame on Newstalks.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Getting your weekend started.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News talksbus Olivia Rodrigo.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
She's been announced for the Sunday headline spot at Glastonbury.
It's pretty amazing really, like most of the songs on
her debut album have done super well.

Speaker 6 (01:35:48):
They've got like.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Billions and billions of streams on Spotify and all of
the streaming platforms, YouTube, et cetera. But just to contextualize
how big she has become, Glastonbury and the Sunday night
slot is like among the biggest gigs in music. So
the nineteen seventy five are going to play the Friday slot,
Neil young Is, said headliner Olivia Rodrigo for the Sunday Diverse.

(01:36:10):
You would have to say the very least for the Yeah,
for the next lineup at glaston Right now before midday
on news Talks, he'd be you know that amazing Apple
TV series Presumed Innocent, the one with Jake gyllen Hall.
I think that's Apple TV's biggest ever streaming series so
far or to date. Anyway, they're coming up with a
sequel to that on Apple TV. But the author behind

(01:36:32):
Presumed Innocent has a brand new book called Presumed Guilty,
and we're going to tell you about that before twelve
o'clock today. Apparently, if the book is half as good
as the series, then that's very much one to read.
Right now, though it is eleven thirty. Jason Pine is
with us before he takes control of the mics and
the buttons and the dials for Midday Sport for a
weekend sport today after Midday kild to Piney, Kill to Jack.

(01:36:55):
Pretty disappointing result for the Blues last night in the end,
I think they led for I mean that second half.
It felt like they were ahead for about the thirty
minutes of that second half, only to give away a
penalty in the dying moment, and then to have Boden
Barrett with potentially broken bones in his hand as well.
Now looking at what three and one from four games

(01:37:17):
and Super Rugby, not a great start, the.

Speaker 21 (01:37:19):
Disease no, indeed a plenty to furrow the brow of
vern Cotta. You might say after last night, You're right, Jack,
I mean, they were what twenty points to ten ahead
at half time, didn't score a single point in the
second half, and the Brumbies just chipped away a penalty,
then a try which the conversion of was missed, and
then you're right at the end, as you say, seventy

(01:37:40):
nine eighty minutes the penalty awarded against them, And yeah,
the Blues will be waking up this morning or would
have and wondered how that one got away from them.
They should have closed it out. Yeah, not ideal having
Boden Barrett leave at halftime, not just for the Blues
but potentially for the All Blacks as well, although from
what we understand it's not a it's weeks not months
for boden Bar in terms of the fracture to its hand.

(01:38:01):
Ricky rickertally also left late on with a pectoral injury.
So yeah, there's a bit to digest for vern Conna.
I still think they'll be okay, but yeah, they'd want
to get a bit of a wriggle on because they
could have lost to the Hurricanes last week. Yeah, they
could be. They could be and four you know, they'll
turn things around. They're two talentsed a roster not to
got to be happy for the Brumbies though, twelve years

(01:38:22):
between wins of Edon Park. They'll be hopping back on
a plane in Pairy in fairly buoyant mood, I would imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Yes, so I think so. Now the Phoenix said what
they need? How many finals in a row? Now they
their literatary basically every regular season game another eight finals
they're preparing for because they've got to win everything now
if they're going to make the playoffs. It hasn't been
hasn't been a great season so far. Last weekend a
bit disappointing, but tonight they are up against Western United.

Speaker 21 (01:38:50):
Yeah, once you start talking mathematical possibilities. You know, you're
in you know, warrior's territory.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
That's right. I didn't want to say it, but it's
sort of that sort of thing.

Speaker 21 (01:39:00):
Yeah, Look, they have they've won i think one of
their last eight or nine, and they've got to win
all of their last eight real to have a realistic chance.
So I think we can probably say that the playoffs
are a very very slim possibility for the Phoenix. Instead,
they've got to kind of try and I guess salvage
something from their season up the road. Obviously, Auckland FC
are at the other end of the form scale. They're

(01:39:21):
away at Newcastle tomorrow night looking to extend their lead
at the top of the A League. So yeah, contrasting
fortunes for our two A League men's sides. But you know,
this is what sport is, isn't it. You know, you
look back twelve months and the Phoenix were flying high
and Auckland FC he didn't even have a team, and
here we are now and it's all changed. So yet, right,

(01:39:41):
the roller coaster, the ups and the downs, and just
know at some stage that things will turn around.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
How are you feeling about the Black Cats prospects in
the Champions Trophy Final.

Speaker 21 (01:39:50):
Like you, I'm worried about Matt Henry. I think if
you are going to take anybody out of that team,
you know, he doesn't seem like a guy you land
on Williamson, Ravendra players like that. But Matt Henry is
so integral to our seam attack. I know it's more
like to be, you know, a spin heavy kind of final,
but Matt Henry does such an important job with the

(01:40:13):
new ball and at the back end of it innings
in terms of taking the pace off and things like that.
So I'm a bit worried about that. Having said that,
you know, if he isn't there, then I guess Jacob
Duffy comes in or Nathan Smith and we probably do
rely more on you know, we're going to get ten
overs out of Mitchell Santner and Michael Brace will anyway,

(01:40:33):
maybe Glenn Phillips and Rutch and Revendra have to do
more bowling. I'm really really encouraged by the way we
played against South Africa in that semi Look, if you
could have set up an ideal semi final, you know,
first in things score, that would be it. I mean,
Rutchan Revender is batting on a different planet. I'm just
so impressed by him. Came Williamson is just being Came

(01:40:54):
Williamson and getting contributions from Phillips and Mitchell and others.
So look, I'm certainly I don't have a young baby
at home that I've got an excuse to stay up for.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Ye're right, I'll be up. I'll be up. I'll probably
be texting you actually during the game. I'll be about that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
I'm looking forward to it. What's on the cars this afternoon?

Speaker 21 (01:41:16):
Well, Jack Mesley, who's the CEO of SUPERP pacificause it
in the studio actually is going to pop in straight
after mid day to chat to us. I think he'd
be overall pretty pleased by all metrics. You know, the
games have been good, lots of tries, close contests, upset
as we saw last night. Viewer numbers this week from
Skype were very good. So a couple of things to
chew over. Also this I'm going to try and get
to the bottom of this. Fiji and Drew a travel Schermozzle.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Who's unbelievable.

Speaker 21 (01:41:42):
It does, it really does, and I just wonder where
ultimate responsibility lies.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Look put it this way Jack.

Speaker 21 (01:41:47):
If I'm if I'm in a team and i land at
the at an airport and I'm waiting for a bus
and the bus isn't there, the first person I'm asking
for an explanation from is my own manager.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
That's how it feels to me. I know it.

Speaker 21 (01:42:00):
There's more to it than that. I'm interested to hear
from Jack Nesley. Actually, where ultimate responsibility lies. It's a
I mean, it's not a great situation when you have
to travel from Auckland to Napier in the back of
a truck. You know that's not ideal. But I'm keen
to find out more about about who books the travel
where the responsibility ultimately lies.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Also this afternoon, Rory Felon's on the show.

Speaker 21 (01:42:23):
Yeah, it's twenty five years of celebration at Sky Stadium
this weekend, Yeah, since it opened in two thousand. So
I want to talk to him about that famous goal
against Bahrain back in two thousand and night. Because, of course,
the All Whites are shortly set to make the final
push for next year's Football World Cup, a lot easier
to get there through Oceania than in the days of
Rory Fallon. But looking forward to to wandering a bit

(01:42:44):
down Memory Lane with him after one o'clock this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
I've got my tickets, got tickets, fine, Yeah, me and
the eight year old are going to go along. Although lovely,
I've tried to explain the concept term. I'm like, so,
you know, we don't actually know who's going to be
in the final this year. It's safe to assume that
the all whites are the favorite, but we could end
up seeing Sarmore and Tuvaralu at Eden Park on. You

(01:43:06):
know that feels unlikely. She does feel unlikely, but you
never know. You know, you don't want to get an
eight year old too excited anyway, No, true, you're right there. Hey,
thank you so much. Looking forward to this afternoon, Jay,
Thank you, Jame. We'll be with us for weekend sport
right after the midday news. Before midday, we'll play you
some of Lady Gaga's brand new album Mayhem, and next
up your book picks for this weekend. It's twenty three to.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Twelve Saturday morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talk Z'B.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
Twenty one to twelve on News Talks. He'd be Katherine
Rains as our book reviewer and she's here with her
two recommendations for us this weekend. Hi, Catherine Hijack Okay.
Let's start off with Dream Count, which is the latest
book by Chamanda and Gauzy Aduchy.

Speaker 23 (01:43:48):
So it actually takes on some major themes in this novel.
It's her first and ten years and she explores lots
of race, belonging, class issues, societal norms, corruption, sexism, and morality.
And all her characters have these different belief systems that
sometimes clash, and she's telling the story on for Nigerian
women who are in their forties have reached these major

(01:44:09):
turning points in their lives. So there's Jimmy Kanda, who's
a travel writer who was raised in wealth and she's
living in the US and she's talking about her past
lovers and the ending of each relationship. And her best friend, Shikora,
is a lawyer who's always been successful, but she's been
portrayed and she turns back to her mother in that time.
And then there's a Maliga who's her cousin and she

(01:44:30):
lives in Nigeria and she's an incredibly successful banker and
she's enormously donates to people to alleviate some of the
shame for the corruption and her work. And finally there's
Katal who's her housekeeper and she's very proud to be
raising her teenage daughter in America and her book kind
of the book traces her childhood of Nigeria to the

(01:44:50):
present day where she's sort of faced with the situation
where she might actually lose everything. And so these women
are unlikely friends in lots of ways, and they navigate
their expectations in life and realities and you get these
interconnect stories told from different perspectives and aductly managed to
get layer upon layer for these characters. And she's an
incredibly talented writer and it leaves you with lots of

(01:45:13):
feelings and thoughts at the end of the novel.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
Yah nice, Okay, that's dream count by Chamanda and Gorzi
a Duchy. You've also read Presumed Guilty by Scott tuah.

Speaker 23 (01:45:23):
So in this which follows a book that he wrote
over thirty years ago called Presumed Innocent, which last year
was turned into Apple.

Speaker 12 (01:45:30):
Series with Jake Giggenhall.

Speaker 23 (01:45:32):
And in this Rusty Sobat she's now a seventy year
old retired judge and he finds himself in this quiet
lakeside community and he's with his fancy b and they
have this great life and she is a position of
a principal at local school and they've lived together but
never married, and they share their home with her adopted son, Aaron.

(01:45:52):
And it hadn't be easy for him growing up as
the only black kid in a primarily white community, and
he'd found his relationship with his lovely girl, May, who
had met at school. But also on the other hand,
he finds himself serving probation sentence for a drug offense,
and Rusty and b agree to take responsibility for him
and those restrictions as part of probation, and all's going

(01:46:16):
kind of well until Aaron and May decide to go
camping together. And Aaron knew that leaving home and driving
were against his per role of probation agreement. And that's
the trip that changes his life because shortly after he
returns without her, her body's discovered and he's charged with
first degree murder, and against his better judgment, Rusty decides

(01:46:37):
to take on the case, and that's where you get
the twists and the turns and courtroom suspense and this
legal drama that takes place in those courtrooms, and Scottrow
is incredibly good at writing these courtroom scenes and making
you feel like you're sitting there right with the parties involved.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Yeah, okay, cool, So that's presumed guilty by Scott Tua.
Your first book is dream Count by Jamanda and Gozzi
Adachi and Catherine's recommendations.

Speaker 6 (01:47:01):
Will be on the news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
He'd be website new music from Gaga in a couple
of minutes, even Deane to twelve giving.

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
You the inside scoop on All you Need to Us
Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame and Bpure dot co dot
nz for high quality supplements used talks.

Speaker 7 (01:47:16):
It'd be.

Speaker 18 (01:47:28):
By you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
That is How Bad Do You Want Me? By Lady Gaga.
Her new album is called Mayhem Now music via Style.
Cliff has been listening more than I love a bit
of Gaga, love a bit of Gaga, throwing it back
to O g Gaga, thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:47:57):
I'm glad that you're soaking up that vibe. But like
everybody having to go back to check the credits of
who's singing that song right because she sounds so tato.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Yeah she does sound very Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 12 (01:48:08):
Think i'd really credited that back early Lady Gaga did
sound Taylor Swifty, or does Taylor Swifty sound Lady Gaga?
I don't know, but that song in particular on the
album has had everyone doing exactly the same thing, and
rumor has it, but I don't think it's true that
Taylor Swift laid down the backing vocals. But you couldn't
then release a song and not have Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
You couldn't. Yah, surely that would be yeah, exactly.

Speaker 12 (01:48:31):
Yes, So I don't think that's true. But anyway, she
does sound very, very tate and interesting kind of lead
into this album because this song is kind of in
the in the halfway point, and that's where things get
a little bit more lighthearted and probably a bit more
poppy and some of the funk soul kind of stuff
that she does where the start of the album is
all that Abraca Deborah disease that we're we like. I

(01:48:56):
just love getting it drawn into those Lady Gaga songs
where you're like, I'm just singing some nonsense lyrics, I'm
making this stuff up, but I feel like I want
to struten the sun and zode some sort of crazy
energy And I love this. I love that we've gone
back to the paus Up Little Monsters, a new era
of that. For Lady Gaga, it feels confident and it's

(01:49:19):
it's strong and crazy and all those things that you
would expect and a little bit weird and a little
bit you know, like off the calf where you're like,
thank goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Yeah, poppy, but kind of she's always had a kind
of a slightly it's weird because she's very center of
the culture, but you know, she's always had a kind
of slightly counterculturally in the same way that Madonna was
kind of Absolutely.

Speaker 12 (01:49:40):
I'm going to take all that stuff you kind of
know and you feel familiar with, and then I'm just
going to put it through a blender and come back
out the other side and really own it. And I
think that's the magic of what makes Lady Gaga who
she is. And also then you put out the fact
that she has an incredible voice, so she can do
some real cool things with her vocals, and she loves
to play with that kind of stuff. I'm like, if

(01:50:03):
you're ever on Dancing with the Stars, Jack, can you
please like cut some shows to disease or Ebraka Debora.
I'm pitching your songs for you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
It is the first part of that composition, the dancer.

Speaker 12 (01:50:20):
But she always makes me feel like I could be
a wicked dancer, a really great backup dancer. There's just
something about her music and this this album has really
got that, you know, like it's kind of dark as well.
There's like sort of dark lyrics, the things that she's
talking about. Perfect Celebrity. That is such a great track.
It's I mean, it's so wrong, but it's so right,

(01:50:41):
which I think again is what Lady Gaga can do
really really well. And that kind of bad or thriller
of Michael Jackson, you know where you're like, this is
sort of creepy and cool. But there's there's kind of
like constantly more of that that's going on. There's gonna
be some real sweaty club dance flowards when everyone's like
getting their grinds onto some of these tracks, which I

(01:51:02):
think is I think is great. It's it's one of
those albums you can listen to lots and lots and
lots of which is what the fame was as well. Yeah,
that's why she's had so many hits of that album.
There's a little bit of there's a song called Killer.
I felt that was very her embracing her in a
prince and it's not just in the vocals, but like
the accompanying guitar riffs and flourishes and then some of
those funky guitar slaps that he was quite renowned for.

(01:51:25):
So whoever's doing the guitar work on some of her
tracks is is very clever, and they're just those catchy
little riffs that bring you in and very prince escus.
So you'll, I mean, you'll hear it yourself when you
go through the whole album. And then a few disco
rhythms Gwen Stefani kind of you know, like my shit,
there's Banana's the kind of song this is a little
bit of that sort of stuff as well. So maybe

(01:51:47):
that's just that whole fusion of what pop and sassy
queens is all about.

Speaker 5 (01:51:52):
Right here.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
I love it. So what do you make of this
concept of recession pop? Have you heard about this?

Speaker 8 (01:51:57):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:51:57):
Okay, so this is like going back but bringing it forward.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Well, it's like when when you have tricky economic times.
Oh yeah, so like to thousand and eight was when
The Fame was released, and now Mayhem have, but she's
kind of got these really poppy, vintage Gaga sounds coming
out at the same time that you have really tricky
economic time. So the theory goes that maybe like tough

(01:52:21):
times bring out the poppiest and Gaga.

Speaker 12 (01:52:24):
And maybe they do. She's gone back to like the
grunge bar where she originally started writings. Yeah, she's gone
back to those basic routes. That's simple. There's nothing like yeah,
okay recession pop alright, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
It's very deep, and that's what we do on Saturday morning.
We look at this kind of yeah exactly, So I mean, you.

Speaker 12 (01:52:39):
Know, another coffee for that one.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
Yeah, yeah, Look, I.

Speaker 12 (01:52:43):
I really I've loved this album. I feel really in
his eyes and excited by it. And maybe that's it.
Right through a recession, you need something to look too
that makes you feel like you're having a great time
and now you can spend your whole weekends making up
your own lyrics to Ebria Debora.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
Yeah, okay, what do you give it? By Lady Gaga? Right,
a couple of mons we played, does they want to
close out the show this morning? Very good? Thank you
so much. As Stale Clifford is our music reviewer more
Gaga in a couple of minutes. It's nine to twelve
on News.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
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Who knew? Jackson Pine's going to take you through the
afternoon with weekends Sport. We're going to leave you with
Lady Gaga. Her new album is may him. The song

(01:54:07):
is disease and I'll see you next week.

Speaker 15 (01:54:11):
Baby like.

Speaker 18 (01:54:15):
Personally in time to be to.

Speaker 15 (01:54:26):
You.

Speaker 18 (01:54:32):
See you are so tortured when you sleep all your Elouise,

(01:54:57):
you'll leave out Louis.

Speaker 15 (01:55:02):
My god.

Speaker 18 (01:55:08):
Ramon will be crazy like it wasn't a sound.

Speaker 12 (01:55:14):
I could be an.

Speaker 15 (01:55:14):
Added do.

Speaker 16 (01:55:17):
You like it.

Speaker 8 (01:55:22):
Wasn't a time?

Speaker 18 (01:55:23):
I could be an added dot.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
Nice please.

Speaker 18 (01:55:37):
Creak, I don't skin. Can't you disease? If you was senor,

(01:56:10):
I could make you.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
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