Full Show Podcast: 12 April 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Jack Tame with you through to twelve o'clock midday today.
It was as though Marny knew sure he might not
yet be eight weeks old, but last night, for the
first time, he suited up in his Crusaders onesie eighty
minutes later with just thirteen players on the pitch trying
to repel the Hurricanes attack from who would the drawer inspiration?

(01:13):
It's like Marny new and here we are Saturday morning,
waking up top of the table.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Ain't no thing.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Don't you worry about that. We'll talk over Rugby this hour.
That surprise result last night, the Chiefs going down to
the Tars, plus of course Peter Berling in the surprise
split with the team New Zealand, as well as that,
we're talking the best of New Zealand food before ten
o'clock lambloin chops, kad or salmon, some top tips. I'm
absolutely nailing it if you've got people around for dinner

(01:40):
this weekend, right now though it is eight minutes past nine.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Jack Team.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
And in the end it was kind of an anti climax.
After almost eighteen months of debate, anger, obfuscation, Hekoy and
Hukker and hundreds of thousands of submissions, the Treaty Principal's
Bill was voted down in fairly emphatic style. I suspect

(02:07):
the majority of New Zealanders are just so over it.
Looking back, I would say that David Seymour in act
largely got what they wanted to. Party Mardi were perhaps
even greater political beneficiaries, and the whole saga will endure
as a bit of a stain on Christopher Luxon's tenure
as Prime Minister. It was telling that once again, just

(02:28):
as for the first reading, this week's vote was scheduled
for a time when the PM wasn't in the House.
I just think being there and suffering through it would
have perhaps shown greater leadership. I watched the speeches in
Parliament and I thought David Seymour was right in his observation.
Almost none actually considered the substance of the government's defined

(02:50):
treaty principles. Like most of the debate outside of Parliament,
they were all emotion at times. I think what was
supposed to be a constitutional debate was boiled down to
a pretty basic and unedifying level pro Mardi versus anti Maudi. Personally,

(03:11):
I look, I tried to engage with the detail of
the bill and good faith I always do. I actually
think that one of the most underrated qualities in people
in this day and age is a genuine capacity to
think critically or even to change your mind. It's weird.
It seems so simple and yet so hard for so

(03:33):
many people. It's a curiously strange thing these days, a
rare thing to come across someone who doesn't instantly default
to their team or their side. It seemed to me, though,
that there was a fundamental problem with the proposed treaty principles,
and that was that they didn't accurately reflect what the
treaty actually says. The threet specifically guarantees Mardi ten or

(03:57):
ungeta tongue it has, if you like, like a Maldi
specific carve out that did not appear in acts interpretation.
In my view, that absence was just absolutely critical. Many
of the Bill's opponents accused act of a cynical approach
to the debate. I can't speak for the party's motivations,

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but I do think the most honest approach would have
been to define the principles by what is clearly said
in the treaty, rather than what anyone thinks should be
said in the treaty. And I suppose that leads me
to my final point. The Treaty is clearly an imperfect document.

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The English and Mardi versions say different things, are open
to different interpretations. There is no returning New Zealand to
the country it was, or the land it was, or
the place it was in eighteen forty. And in the
context of the modern day, the treaty is kind of clunky.
So I reckon David Cmore's broader desire about more purposefully

(05:02):
defining the treaty's application in the treaty's meaning and modern
New Zealand is a good one, or at least worthy
of more consideration. Like, for example, I just wonder if
two hundred years from its signing, New Zealand should aspire
towards developing some sort of a written constitution underpinned by
the Treaty that gives it better and clearer effect in

(05:26):
the modern world. I think to treat to your White Hungy,
the Treaty White Ungy was meant to unify in New Zealand.
I think that was its purpose, and if we're honest,
this debate has probably had the opposite effect. But I
still have faith I do that once the dust settles,

(05:46):
we can collectively find a way to constructively have these
conversations and move New Zealand forward. Jack, I know what
you're thinking. Saturday morning Constitutional debate on Newstalk z'd be
get excited. Don't worry. Don't worry. We're not going to
get too deep on the constitutional front this morning. We

(06:07):
are talking films before ten o'clock and then our feature
interview right after the ten o'clock news. Are these Australian
museos Jungle Giants. They're real characters and they've got this
real way of making incredible boppy little earworms. So we're
gonna play some of their music. We'll to get chat
with Jungle Giants when they join us after team Next up,
Kevin Milon's gonna kick us off for our Saturday together.
It's thirteen minutes past nine. It's Saturday Morning, I'm Jack Tame.

(06:29):
This is news Talks.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
He'd be a little bit of way to kick off
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Speaker 1 (06:33):
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Speaker 3 (06:40):
He'd be, Ah, some very thoughtful feedback coming in. I'm
not surprised by that, Jack. You won't mup it. Ah,
thank you for that. Jack. I almost fell over into
my pool while sipping my cocktail listening to you this morning,
says Muz. You agree with David Seymour. Yeah, I often
agree with Tavis. I agree with Davison one some things.
I mean, yeah, not everything. I don't think any of

(07:01):
us agree with anyone and everything do we? Ninety two
ninety two. If you want to send us a message,
Jacket Newstalks, he'd be co dot ended is the email
address If you are going to flick us of text,
don't forget the standard text costs to play. Kevin Milne
is with us this morning, licking his wounds after that
incredible game of Super Rugby last night. Kevin, I reckon
for me, and look, obviously I've got a little bit
of skin in the game. He had a little bit

(07:22):
of bias. I reckon it was the super rugby game
of the season. That last ten minutes of the Cane
say this last night was thrilling.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yes, I thought you would start off with a sort
of tone.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Scottish look that Scottish coach needs to tell the Hurricanes
that the game no longer starts at seven point thirty five.
And although they did actually triumph in the first few minutes,
but then it was a poor effort for the rest
of that half.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, yeah, I thought.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Yeah, I think, thank goodness forgot the best half back
in the country.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, you do. He played very well. But yeah, it
was a great game. We're going to talk with our
sporto about those matches last night, that surprise result for
the Chiefs in a couple of minutes, Kevin, But you
have been focused on much more serious things this week,
while while the world's been enveloped in tariff turmoil. We've
had the Treaty Principles Bill before the House.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Here.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
You want to talk about the new Air New Zealand uniforms.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Yes, in New Zealand's revealed its new uniform.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
It looks pretty good.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
I reckon, a little conservative, perhaps formal, but pretty good
good on the Kiwi designer in London, Amelia Wixted, I
think New Zealanders have always taken an almost passionate interest
in their New Zealand's uniform over the years, as if
it represents us personally, which to an extent it does.

(08:48):
It's the new design doesn't meet our approval. There's not
a hairdressing sellon on the country that doesn't hear about it.
Of course, there will never be a more magnificent day
New Zealand uniform than the nineteen seventies hot pink and
lime green lollipop uniforms miniskirts designed by Mary Quan. I
would say that because neither Mary nor I had to

(09:10):
work in one, and I suspect the average age of
the cabin staff was a lot younger back then. The
new uniform comes in a wide range of sizes, apparently
to suit the wearer and the job that they have
to do. As emeliaic Said puts it, she hopes any
Zellane staff will wear the uniform as opposed to the
uniform wearing them. What surprises me, though, is we're still

(09:35):
dressing the captains and the first officers as though they
were in military uniforms. I can understand how that all started.
Our airlines got underwegh at war time. I think back
then even the women were dressed like soldiers. But isn't
it time those flying the planes, those in charge of

(09:56):
the aircraft, or something more appropriate. I know they looked
sunning in their peaked cap with insignia and double breasted
military styled jackets with silver buttons, but shouldn't they be
in something a bit less formal. They could still look
pretty good leather flying jackets like they act.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
Jack.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
I'll tell you what you'd make a terrific aircraft captain.
I bet you higher out and the aircraft captain suit
and hat when you go to dress up parties.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
For me, the thing that always defines the pilot look
as the short sleeve shirt. You know, you never you
never see that anywhere else, do you. It's like one
of those for whatever reason it is, that's a Yeah,
it is a bit of a throwback, the old double
breasted thing. I I thought it looked pretty sharp, but.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
It looks it looks terrific, But I just wonder whether
it's appropriate for people who are basically drivers.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, My question is like how comfortable, you know, is
it Can you sleep in it? Because you know, like
on planes obviously, like even you know, especially on long
hawl flights, like pilots have got to be up and
down and out of their seats and things, and it
can be a pretty, you know, kind of not the
most comfortable environment over time, and I just wonder how

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comfortable it is, Like can you sleep in it? Does
it get creased? Creased if you sleep in it? Can
you how does it absorb your sweet and all that
kind of thing. I think I take a kind of
a utilitarian approach to the year.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
And I really I think those lovely frying jackets on
the Second World War that the Americans used to ply
their plans and were terrific and they look great too. Yeah,
but you still have an answered my question is that
your go to dress up?

Speaker 3 (11:38):
I don't know what it is? Yeah, no, I I
I'm sure I've worn one before a couple of times before.
I'm just trying to think what my go to dress
up would be. See, I only dress up. I only
dress up very occasionally, and when I do, I usually
try and make the outfit myself. I sort of think
that's in the spirit of a dress up don't you
think is it just going to the to the costume shop,

(12:01):
like try and try and knock up something yourself, you know,
or swing down to look sharp and get something cheap
to add to it.

Speaker 7 (12:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
I always think, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
That's right, Jack.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
But I think you looked bloody brilliant in mine.

Speaker 6 (12:15):
You would wear one to work?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I finally give it more respect. Yeah exactly.
I wonder the double breast that is coming back, you know, yeah,
because I think I.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
Like that guy on the You look like that guy
that who's at the Captain's at the holiday shop, adds.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
House the travelers, Yes, yeah, travel Yeah, how's the travel
I think that's the one. Very good n We will
catch again soon. Thanks for your time this morning, Kevin
Millon kicking the show off. Thank you for your feedback
as well. Jack, seriously, you thought our Prime minister should
have given that bill any gravitask by being in the
House for the readings, says Grant. Well, I just look,

(12:52):
he's made it pretty clear he opposed it, but of
course he he signed a coalition deal and negotiated with
act in a way that allowed the bill to go
ahead under his government. This wasn't an act bill, this
was a government bill, and I think Grant, given how
contentious this bill has been, I think it would have
shown good leadership for the Prime Minister to be in
the House either when the bill was introduced or for

(13:14):
the second reading. He could have stood up in Parliament
this week and made a speech against the bill expressing
his views. He could have made a speech that sought
to unify New Zealand, as I think the heralds Thomas
Coglan wrote. But he chose for his government, chose to
introduce the bill on a day that he wasn't in Parliament.
I just think there was another alternative there that he

(13:35):
might have considered. Anyway, Thank you for your feedback. I'll
get to more of your texts in a couple of minutes.
Been talking sport in a couple of minutes. Twenty three past.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Nine, Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
Team on News talksb.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Well done Jack Tam for finally having something constructive to
say regarding the Treaty Principal's Bill. Thank you, Dave killed
Anet two if you want to send us a text
this morning, our sporto Andrew Savill is here in sav
Crusader's top of the Super Rugby table.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yes, normal transmissions resumed, hasn't it Jack.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
It is pretty amazing given where they were twelve months ago, yep.
And you know, comparing that to where they are now,
even with injury concerns, with the likes of David Harvelly,
I think it's a pretty impressive turnaround.

Speaker 8 (14:27):
I think enough can't be made of the fact that
they I think they had about twelve or fifteen regulars
out for a fair chunk of last season when they
really hit the skids. They've got still a few big
names out injured, but a lot less than last year.
And they were losing these sorts of games last year.
The tight matches just weren't going their way bounce to

(14:48):
the ball, head snaps or brain fades late in games
last year. That's changed or they're looking more like the
old Crusaders these days. Goodwin and Fiji and then backed
up last night, which in a game which was dramatic,
full of tension, a couple of scraps between all black candidates,

(15:09):
you sort of.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Little handbaggy scraps.

Speaker 8 (15:11):
Yeah, I think the Canes realized this was the great
opportunity at home to beat the old rivals, and on
the flip side, the Crusaders desperate to get back on
a winning role and stay near the top or at
the top of Super Rugby. So thirty one twenty four
I couldn't believe at the end that the Canes against

(15:34):
the Crusaders with thirteen men for eight or nine minutes,
a couple of times the Canes decided to kick.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
The ball away.

Speaker 8 (15:40):
I just couldn't work out what they were doing, and
I don't think they knew either. When you're fifteen on thirteen,
keep the ball in hand, the ball beats the man
you normally score and that would have taken a converted try,
It would have taken us to golden point if not
the Canes.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
No, So not only that not only did they kick
it away, but also the Crusaders were on about their
like three thousandth warning, so basically every penalty in French
of which there were many, they were losing a player
to the burn. So it was like, guys, you just
you're gonna if you just keep, if you keep the
ball in hand, they were the likelihood that you're going
to get a penalty. The Crusaders are going to infringe.

(16:18):
It's going to go from thirteen plays to twelve. We
can have six players left.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I think you've got to give credit to Crusaders defense
as well.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
It was very impressive.

Speaker 8 (16:27):
Yeah, and also under a fair amount of heat the
last couple of weeks. Scott Barrett I thought was meets
last night he really stood up stood tall Bactors back
to Neera's best one of the world's best tight locks.
Yeah he was. He had a great game. And then
in Sydney last night, all of a sudden, Chiefs get
upset by the Warrtars. I think the war Tars, despite

(16:48):
being the home team, were paying like four or five
dollars at the tap right, which huge odds against them,
and at home this year though the Wartars have played
some pretty good football. Joseph Suili, the league convert, he
was outstanding last night twenty one fourteen. The score was
twenty one fourteen to the war Atars with thirty minutes

(17:09):
to play, and I just assumed the Chiefs would somehow
rumble their way back into the game or use some
of their exciting backs, but they they made far too
many years right across the game last night, maybe subconsciously
took the war a Tars a little bit a little
bit lately, given the Tars have been well beaten the
last couple of weeks. But this sums up Jack, I
think the topsy turvy nature of the competition, which is

(17:32):
which is good yeah, for the viewing fan, for the
rugby fans.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
And dare I say it's a bit of it. It
is good for the for the fan, but dare I say,
it's also a bit of a reflection of the of
the kind of eternal Damien like criticism, and that is
Damon criticism and then just inconsistency, like you know, like
he can just be so brilliant when he's on, but
when he's off sometimes just like damn can't get.

Speaker 8 (17:58):
So he was shifted to ten. He started at team
last night. He'd been playing fullback. Maybe they'll look at
that again. He was coming into ten or first receiver
quite a bit during games, even though he was wearing
fifteen previously. But yeah, that they may have to have
to rejig that. Where are the next big big sporting weekend?

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Peter Berling?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, wow, So I mean I know it's all this coming.
What do you make of it? What can you read between.
Feel free to speculate a little bit.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, don't worry, I will. I think a few things.

Speaker 8 (18:32):
I think there is a concern going around that there
will be a real lack of competition in the next
America's Cup. We're seeing Anios they've pulled out right. Whether
or not Ben Ainsley puts his own British team and
remains to be seen. Will the Italian sun up Probably
a lingy, maybe the French. Don't know, so I think

(18:55):
there's a concern there. There's also the big one as money.
I don't think that Team mens E were willing to
pay the sort of money that Peter Building can probably
get elsewhere.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
He can't sail.

Speaker 8 (19:09):
As a skipper or on the sailing team of other
boats now because of the nationality rules, but he could
certainly go and help other America's Cup teams. Don't think
he will, but you know, he's a professional sailor. So
I think it comes down to lack of a perceived
lack of competition money and also he wanted to go
and do other things and that sort of clash with

(19:30):
the team.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
That's Grand Dalton's. They were Grand Dalton's words yesterday.

Speaker 8 (19:34):
But I think it's more to do with the fact
that looking in the crystal ball, who knows, who knows
what teams will be sailing in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
And also and also a money issue as well.

Speaker 8 (19:46):
I'd be pleasantly surprised of blea chook stays as well.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah, yeah, I tend to agree with you on that one. Bahrain.
Liam Lawson, yes, said a relatively good night, pretty good
Savers Red Bull mate.

Speaker 8 (20:02):
Yeah, eighth in practice one twelve practice two, he's ahead
of Sono. But that doesn't really that's not the gauge
the officials are looking at now. It's Isaac Hadga, the
young Frenchman. He's sixth, so once again he's he's looking
faster than Liam Lawson, but still qualifying to go and
then the race. So if he can score some points

(20:22):
in Bahrain and he's on his way, yeah, you know,
he's on the scoreboard, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
So a lot.

Speaker 8 (20:28):
Happening this week in Jet You've got the rugby, you
got Mowana Blues game, which should be a stunner. You've
got the women's final tonight, You've got Auckland lif c tonight.
You've got the worries against the Melbourne Storm tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah, big weekend. It's more thank you sir, catch you soon.
That's Esporto Andrew sevil Jack. The Treaty principles, issue number
one won't go away. Number two will increase act popularity. Yep.
I tend to agree with you on that final I
think as of this minute, I think everyone's kind of
a bit over it. But you know, in the context
of another another few months heading into an election next year,

(21:01):
I'm sure it'll be an issue that motivates a lot
of people. I also think, I mean, this is one
of the curious things of this whole debate that the
if anything, the way that the debate, if we can
call it, that has unfolded, it's kind of benefited at
and it's benefited to Party Mardi. So it's to be
benefit of the two parties that are on the kind
of far ends of the debate, at least from the
parties that are in Parliament, don't you think anyway. Ninety

(21:24):
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Ain't no thing anyway. We're kind of getting into awards

(22:15):
mode this morning on Newstalk's He'd Be because before ten
o'clock we're talking about the Outstanding Food Producer Awards, and
then a little later in the show we're going to
look at the Tape Music Prize. Who's likely to take
out the top gong? This week we're going to play
you some of the music that has been nominated as
well for the Tap Music Prize. So yeah, looking forward
to that right now. Though it is twenty four to
ten on New Stalks. Edb in our film review of

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Francesca Rudkin is here with us this morning, Kilda.

Speaker 9 (22:39):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
So a minecraft movie for anyone who thinks that people
don't go to the movies anymore, has just completely smashed
all the records this week, right so you were telling
us about it last week. It's probably a movie that's
going to you know, get the kids, rowls of the excited.
It's not necessarily for all of us, but it has
broken all sorts of records. It's become the highest opening
video game movie of all time. It made three hundred

(23:02):
million US dollars and it's opening weekend, so more than
half a billion New Zealand dollars. That's crazy. It's crazy
what a big business movies still are like. That is extraordinary.

Speaker 10 (23:15):
Yeah, no, it's awesome, and it's really great. I mean
we've heard we've heard the cry talking about awards. We
heard the cry from filmmakers at the Oscars and various
other wards at the beginning of the year, going hey,
we make movies for the big screen. It is this
experience we've had. But we've also seen it with Tina,
you know, until Line Straft came along. And I'm still
talking to people who say to me, I went to

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the movie. I went to the cinema and saw it,
and I laughed with everybody else, and I cried with
everybody else. And I get it. It's this communal we're
all in it together. You get something, it goes to
a whole other level when you share it. With other people,
regardless of whether you know them or not. And that's
the wonderful thing about seeing a movie in a cinema.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Oh so good. All right, we have a couple of
options this week. Only one of them is showing in cinema,
so let's start off with the one that is showing
at home this morning. Let's have a listen to G twenty.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Madam President, we have a situation. I implore all world
leaders to join me at the G twenty summit, the.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Twenty most powerful world leaders together going dark in three
two Why.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Babe, Bam Bam, starring Viola Davis and of course Kee
We star Anthonista tell us about G twenty.

Speaker 10 (24:40):
So Viola Davis, who has won an Oscar, a Tony
and Emmy, Abafta, a Golden Globe, and a Grammy, would
probably hate me making this comparison. But she's almost becoming
the female Liam Nixon of action films. So she's fifteen,
she's fifty nine years old, and she is totally kicking
bat in this action for G twenty, screening on Prime Video.

(25:02):
And you may remember the last film that she kind
of played the lead in was The Woman King, which
also another very sort of full on.

Speaker 11 (25:10):
Action flick as well.

Speaker 10 (25:12):
She plays President Sutton, the President of the United States.
She also happens to be a former soldier. She uses
her brains and her brawn to overcome a terrorist attack
on a G twenty summit.

Speaker 9 (25:24):
Leading the attack is the Boys.

Speaker 10 (25:28):
Baddie Kiwi actor Anthony Starr, and he plans to use
deep fakes to convince the world that all these leaders
at the G twenty are going to take control of
some other countries finances and everybody must into crypto, and
he's trying to collapse kind of the world financial order.
To be honest with you, this is probably you know what.
You just kind of let the premise go. It's all

(25:50):
quite lovely and ridiculous. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
It's all far fetched, but it's really fun watching Davis
and Stargo head to head. As always, Anthony Starr is
completely committed to his character. He manages to bring a
rain of emotions to a pretty simple villain role. He
really is fabulous. And Davis is much like she was

(26:13):
in previous films we've seeing her. She is very good
at being you know, she has a commanding presence.

Speaker 12 (26:19):
She convinces us.

Speaker 10 (26:20):
She's a leader, but she's also a very good physical adversary.

Speaker 9 (26:24):
And these two.

Speaker 10 (26:25):
Work really well together, and I think it's almost a
little bit of a slight waste of talent. There's a
couple of scenes where they kind of spar with each
other with words as opposed to action, and they're great together.
And I think they're both pretty intelligent actors and could
have handled a little bit more of that. But the
film is like, Hey, we're going to keep this pacy,
We're going to keep this all about the action. We're
going to keep this moving along. So they haven't really

(26:47):
focused a huge amount on the script. So it's a
bit of a shame because I think the two of
them could have really sparked this, you know, sparked.

Speaker 9 (26:53):
Up even further.

Speaker 10 (26:56):
And there's some quite fun, nice sort of side performances here.
Douglas Hodge plays a British PM who's sort of a
bit bumbling and quite funny, and there's a couple of
nice sort of side performances and things. Look this Sunday afternoon.
If you're having some couch time and you're looking for
a little bit of escapism, then you might want to
try g twenty.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, okay, I mean it sounds a little bit ridiculous
before asked it is a little bit ridiculous. Yeah, yeah,
a little bit of escapism on a Sunday afternoon. Now
we're into that, Francisca. That's all right. We're not too
snobby if you are feeling like something a little bit different.
Showing in cinemas at the moment is a film called Crossing.

Speaker 10 (27:32):
And this is a beautiful piece of world cinema. It's
a Georgian Turkish drama. It's by Levane Unkin, who directed
And Then We Danced, which maybe some people might be
familiar with. It follows a Georgian woman. She is a
retired teacher. She is a single, kind of slightly unhappy,

(27:53):
quite grumpy, slightly stern woman, and she has made a promise,
She made a promise to her dying sister that she
would find her estranged trans niece. And she goes off
on this journey and she gets someone says to her
that Tecla has moved to Istanbul, and so she heads

(28:13):
off on this journey to Istanbul. She's accompanied by a
young man who is also a little bit lost in life,
but claims to have an address for tecler and the
two of them head off to Istanbul. They don't have
a huge amount of money. They kind of find themselves
in the trans community and they kind of meet some
very welcoming people who try and help them along the way.
And at the same time we're also introduced to this

(28:35):
trans woman who is a lawyer who works within this
community as well, and we almost led to believe. The
director almost says this really that maybe this is Tecla,
but it's not.

Speaker 9 (28:44):
But they come.

Speaker 10 (28:44):
Together and help each other along the way. But this
obviously the film is called Crossing. It is a film
about crossings and transitions, but more mental and emotional than
physical ones. This is a story about, you know, a
woman having a change of heart. And also I think
in this film there's the realization that maybe this young woman, Tecla,
doesn't need to be found, doesn't need to be saved.

(29:06):
It's more about this retired teacher doing what she needs
to do for herself and to kind of, you know,
find some redemption and things there. So look, it's a
beautiful moving film, superbly acted. And what I love about
this film is that they don't wrap everything up in
a nice both for you, because life is messy, Jack,

(29:29):
and this film kind of celebrates that.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
And what we love about you is that you bring
us a range of films.

Speaker 12 (29:34):
Fenchesca something for everybody.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
G twenty two Crossing, Yeah, very good, a George and
Turkish crossover. Hey, thank you so much for that. Really
appreciate it. We're going to make sure both of those
films all the details are where you can see them,
are up and available on the news talk z'd be website.
So G twenty is screening on Prime Video. Crossing is
in select cinemas now. It's sixteen to ten.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
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Speaker 3 (30:06):
We have had so many text and emails this's our
I'm not gonna read them more. I'm not gonna have time, sorry,
but I'm just gonna read the one that I like.
Like this one, Jack. I thought it was a very
considered piece that you shared with us this morning. Nice
to take the emotion out of the debate for a change.
Thank you very much. Adam. We'll just tie things up
right there, shall we. Right now it is fourteen minutes

(30:26):
to ten and cook. Nicki Wex's here in the kitchen
with us this morning, Kelder Niki. He cured up. The
Outstanding Food Producer Awards were presented on Thursday of this week, right,
so you've brought to us for anyone who hasn't seen
the results, You've brought a couple of winners that we're
going to share this morning. So we'll start off with
the savory dishes or savory produce that came out on

(30:50):
top on Thursday night. Let's start off with the Conscious
Valley lamb.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (30:55):
Well, look what I love about the Outstanding Food Producers
Awards is they do really attract them, you know, the
top of the best of the best of the ingredients
and food being juiced in New Zealand, I think.

Speaker 9 (31:08):
And it's a huge.

Speaker 13 (31:09):
Array from condiments to drinks, to snacks, to oils, to butters,
to gelato, to meats, et cetera, et cetera, to lettuces,
all of that.

Speaker 9 (31:20):
But it was really interesting this year that.

Speaker 13 (31:22):
The you know, two of the top awards got taken
out by farmers, by meat suppliers, and one of them, indeed,
was that Conscious Valley thick cut loin shops. I mean, honestly, Jack,
I wasn't judging that particular category, but I was sitting
down the end of the table a month or two
ago when we judged those, and the lovely judges that

(31:43):
were judging it just we heard them groaning and then
they said, here, you guys, you've got to try this,
and oh they were just so beautiful. So Conscious Valley
is just outside of Wellington. A couple of young farmers
there and they're you know, their meat is just top not.
You can't get it widely, which I know is going
to irritate our listeners, but if you're in the Wellington

(32:04):
area you can so have a lot out for that
conscious fairly thick cut loin.

Speaker 9 (32:08):
Chops and the other.

Speaker 13 (32:10):
The Supreme Award winner this year was from the Hastings
or Hawks Bay Martangi Martangi thirty to forty five day
dry aged sir lloyin steak cutlets and honestly, and you know,
the description here was that it cuts like butter. It
was tender, juicy, melt in the mouth mouth.

Speaker 9 (32:30):
Now, these are not cheap meats.

Speaker 13 (32:32):
I want to really warn people that when you go
online to order these for yourself, as you can with
the MARTINANGI. You know, you might go, oh, it's outrageous,
but these are beautiful kits of meat that have been
looked after from you know, paddic to plate.

Speaker 9 (32:46):
They're not churning these out in great quantity.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, the might be a little special occasion option too, right.

Speaker 13 (32:51):
Have very special occasion, you know, maybe, and maybe as
meat begins to be a bit of a special occasion,
you know, dinner sort of thing, and so don't book
at the price, shout yourself and then treat it really well.
So look, if I had either one of these, they
are thick cuts. So I'm going to recommend that you
do as little as possible to them, Jack, because this

(33:13):
is the thing with quality, outstanding ingredients.

Speaker 9 (33:16):
When you've got those, you barely have to do.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Anything to let the ingredients to the talking.

Speaker 9 (33:20):
Let the ingredients do the talking.

Speaker 13 (33:21):
You just have to get out of the way and
just let it do its thing. Because you cannot make
good food out of bad ingredients. But unfortunately, you can
certainly make bad food out of good ingredients if you
do the wrong thing. So I would do a lovely
salt on either side of both of these. I would
bring both cuts to room temperature because they're thick cuts.
So often people have taken them straight from the fridge

(33:44):
and then into the pan. That doesn't really work because
the inside is going to be really quite cool and
it's going to take a lot longer, and the outside
is going to toughen up when you.

Speaker 9 (33:51):
Pan fry them.

Speaker 13 (33:52):
I would pan fry these two cuts, or maybe with
the lamb chops, I would throw them in a hot
oven after I've browned them off for sort of ten
twenty minutes something like that, depending on how you like it.
Always use the sort of press I just pressed the meat.
You know what it feels like raw, You know what
it feels like when it's hard leather, you know, And
engage it in between how soft do you want it?

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Which will indicate how rare it is in the middle,
So light sorting. I always pepper afterwards. I don't pepper
at the time before cooking, because I think pepper has
a tendency to burn jack, you know, so I always
do the plumber pepper later. Maybe with that beef cut,
maybe you might want to add another little winner, which
was Mandy's horsepatish sauce. Maybe imagine those two Oh my godness,

(34:38):
my mouth is actually watering as I go with the lamb.

Speaker 9 (34:41):
I just love a lamb chop, just with pure salt
on it.

Speaker 13 (34:44):
I like it with a little pile of spinach which
goes beautifully with it. Maybe a little bit of buttered potato.

Speaker 9 (34:49):
Or something like that.

Speaker 13 (34:50):
So those were our two really big meat winners, and
they were absolutely exceptional.

Speaker 9 (34:56):
Have we got time to talk about chop.

Speaker 14 (34:57):
Pops the end of the space?

Speaker 3 (34:59):
I mean, I think you've just answered that yourself. Oh no,
come on, Nicky, don't disappear on now? Are you there?
Are you there? Niki? Have we lost you? Oh no,
I'll tell you what what a tease? Look, I'm gonna
go in a break right now. We'll hope that we
can get Nicki on the phone. In thirty seconds. You'll

(35:19):
be back with let's tell us about the winning chocolate.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to
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Speaker 3 (35:30):
It'd be Nicki. Wexs back, We tracked it down. We
got on the phone because sometimes the internet collapses. Thank goodness, Nikki,
you can't leave us hanging like that.

Speaker 15 (35:38):
I can't that.

Speaker 16 (35:39):
I wondered if it was most alive and then it's
sort of drowns by phone anyway, very quickly. Here's two
chocolates that people need to look out for. They were
both gold medal winners. One is Lucid Chocolateia. That's l
Ucid Young Chocolates maker or Chocola Tia.

Speaker 14 (35:55):
John D.

Speaker 16 (35:56):
Tantam his fifty two percent sourdough, brown butter and sea salt.
It may be sold out already online.

Speaker 9 (36:04):
But have a look.

Speaker 16 (36:04):
He's got another sourdough brown and sea salt one. They're
absolutely unhamable.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Sorry, sour dough, sour.

Speaker 16 (36:11):
Dough, sour dough. He has slaveored slavored it with sour dough,
brown butter and sea salt. Unbit believable. And then the
other one that I want to draw your attention to
because we've got Easter coming up, is another one was
it was in the Bonbonds, another chocolate category. Mind your temper,
that's the name of the company. That's clever, isn't it
for a chopin lover spiced orange hot cross buns bonbon

(36:37):
and these believe it or not, do not let it
put you off in any shape or form, are vegan,
they are plant based, and they took out of Gold
for being utterly delicious, and they're available online to order
as well, and I think that those would make the
perfect Easter gift, don't you think? Get some for your wife?

Speaker 17 (36:54):
Ah?

Speaker 16 (36:56):
Incredible, you have so beautiful both of these chocolates, and
then particularly Bonbonds. They're those little little hills. They always
got that crisp outside shell and something exciting waiting for
you inside.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
So both of those, there's a real sort of trend
at the moment, isn't there and having and having kind
of breedy flavors to fancy chocolates. Because it was the Hogarth,
the buttered toast, Yeah, that was very popular.

Speaker 16 (37:23):
Yeah we saw we saw it come through with ice
cream a couple of years ago. So it was sort
of sour dough and brown butter ice cream, which is
absolutely beautiful and actually a very very old technique. But yes,
we're seeing it in the chocolates now and I can
really really recommend both of those. They're absolutely beautiful. So
there you go. There's our outstanding winners from the Food
Producers Awards this year.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Fantastic, Thank you so much. I'm just so related on
behalf of everyone that we managed to track you down
again and that you sillive aheadn't indeed drowned out your microphone.
You catch it soon. That is in the kitchen for
us as years every Saturday morning, we're going to make
sure that all of those items she mentioned the winners
from the Outstanding Food Producer Awards this week are up

(38:05):
and a vail on the news talk ZEDB website. It's
gonna be one of those things though, right you're gonna
go to the supermarket or some of those specialty stores
and of course everything's gonna be sold out, really frustrating.
The key is to wait like two weeks and then
go after ten o'clock a feature interview Ozzie Muzo's Jungle Giants.
They write really like poppy, earwormy, dancey, boppy kind of songs.

(38:30):
They're coming to New Zealand, so they're gonna be tell
you joining us right after the ten o'clock news as
well as that. If you're looking forward to a weekend
on the couch, just veging out this fantastic new show,
we're going to tell you about now screen time segment
called North of North. It's a comedy set amongst an
Inuit community in the Arctic, and would you believe it
actually has a couple of key we actors. So I'm

(38:50):
going to tell you about that shortly. News is next,
though it's almost ten o'clock. It is Saturday morning. I'm jactayed.
This is Newstalk ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
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Speaker 17 (39:09):
The how do the Weed? How be heid.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
More in the New Zealand You were Jack Taime. Over
a decade of experience under their belts has seen Australian
pop dance royalty the Jungle Giants grow from simple lovers
of music to fully fledged artists on the world stage.
They had a bananas year last year, a massive year
playing shows, headlining festivals from Hemisphere to Hemisphere, and now
they are bringing their positive energy to New Zealand with

(39:55):
shows in Wellington and Auckland. Jungle Giants frontman Sam Hales
as with us this morning. Calder good morning, yeah, very
very good. Thank you man. You nailed the kyoda. Well
done that. There's I've oken like a man who knows
his audience. But how how do you find that your
reception here in New Zealand, how do you distinguish it

(40:15):
from being home?

Speaker 18 (40:19):
I mean it's really nice, Like every time we come
to New Zealand, we've just been noticing like the fan
base growing and we noticed like the same people coming
to every show, which is actually really lovely I think.
I mean, obviously in New Zealand people love music. You
can tell like culture, It's really awesome. I've got a
couple of Manti friends that live for their music, and

(40:41):
you can really tell when you go people like remember
every lyric, everyone's always dancing.

Speaker 12 (40:45):
It's always a great reception.

Speaker 18 (40:46):
So for us, every time we get to New Zealand
is an actual huge pleasure.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, you have had a pretty significant eighteen months or so.
Those fans have been waiting a wee while for new
music and you have just released something which I know
everyone has delighted about. But how are you physically because
you had a pretty rough experience on the jet ski right.

Speaker 18 (41:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well that was like was that
like a year and a bit ago now? But yeah,
I was shooting a film clip with some friends for
a Bank of Confidence man and my job for the
day was to ride a jet ski wearing like a
hat and like overalls and boots, which turned out to
be the dumbest idea of all time. And yeah, all

(41:30):
I had to do for the morning was just circling
yacht at high speed.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
And say that, you say all I had to do?
All I did was circle a yacht at high speed.
Am I an experiencing ski rider?

Speaker 19 (41:42):
No?

Speaker 3 (41:43):
What could possibly get wrong?

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (41:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (41:45):
And like it was like it was the best morning
of my It was like sunrise circling yacht high speed.
I also love to go fast. Jet ski is really fun.
It was like the second time I've ever been on
a jet ski as well.

Speaker 12 (41:54):
Anyway, I came.

Speaker 18 (41:56):
Off with like high speed because I was just loving
the speed of this thing. Anyway, boots are for anyone
out there. Boots are the worst idea on a jet ski.
I didn't know that, but it is. So Yeah, ended
up having to get a full reconstruction of my my
ankle and I was I was were filming at the
Gold Coast, so I kind of just got Luckily, my

(42:17):
mom lives in Brisbane, so I just got stuck in
Brisbane for like three months.

Speaker 12 (42:22):
After that. It was. It was hectic, but I did
all my rehab.

Speaker 18 (42:26):
I did everything I need to do, and now that
ankle is like better than the other one.

Speaker 12 (42:30):
It's like titanium leg.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah, dude, that's a really full on experience. And I
can imagine that, like talk about going from like not
zero to one hundred, putting it in reverse, like one
hundred to zero. You're back with you're rehabbing and stuff.
So did you like, was that kind of like from
a creative person specifictive? Was that a tough thing to
go through to be to be waylaid like that?

Speaker 18 (42:53):
It definitely was, Like I was about to go on tour,
so that was a that was kind of hard to stomach,
you know what I mean, Like putting everything on hold
creatively pretty stifling, Like you know, when you're kind of
bed ribbon, it's hard to feel inspired. But I luckily,
I was really nice, Like the band are so lovely,
and a couple of them came from them and they

(43:14):
got all my microphones everything that I like to record with,
and they flew up to meet me and just dropped
off everything. So I said, I'm kind of like a
cool little bedroom studio. While I was there and also
just I gotta I got an Xbox.

Speaker 12 (43:29):
Because at a time like that, it's like all you
can do, you know what I mean.

Speaker 18 (43:32):
So I ended up playing a game called Red Dead Redemption,
and I was at my mum's place in a while,
and she she loved watching it because it's just like
beautiful horses.

Speaker 12 (43:40):
In the countryside.

Speaker 18 (43:41):
So yeah, it was like a lot of just like
making music as most they could, and then just gaming
just to keep myself saying.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Well, obviously it worked out. If your ankle now is
stronger than the other one, then the net result of
this experience is a good thing. Yes, Yeah, told me
talk to us a little bit about about the relationship
you and your bandmates have, because it seems to me
a pretty rear thing to meet so young and then
to endure as you guys have.

Speaker 12 (44:10):
Yeah, I feel really lucky.

Speaker 18 (44:13):
Like we all met at school, I was the great
above all the other guys, and when.

Speaker 12 (44:18):
I left school, I was going to start.

Speaker 18 (44:20):
A band, but I couldn't really find anyone in my
grade but was interested in doing music like that.

Speaker 12 (44:26):
But I can. I met the guys before. They're all
the grad below, and I just I kind of.

Speaker 18 (44:30):
Individually hit them up and we were fifteen and sixteen
at the time, and we we realized the other day
that we've been in a band form like half of
our lives, which is awesome. And we're as close as ever,
like we're all best friends. Jasira's like been my best
friend for like fifteen years now, and I feel really
lucky because no matter what happens on tour, we love

(44:51):
hanging out together, so, like you know, it's quite lovely,
and no matter what happens, we know how to support
each other. We don't how press each other's buttons. It's
like a really like really happy family. And I think
it really affects the music as well. Everyone's so supportive
and we like we see eye to eye, which is awesome.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
That's interesting. Tell me how explain to us a bit
more about how it fixed the music.

Speaker 18 (45:14):
Well, I think it's just nice to know that it's
a safe, supported place. Like for instance, with me making music,
I like to change the sound according to what I'm
into at the time. And when you first start out music,
that could be kind of.

Speaker 12 (45:28):
Confronting, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 18 (45:29):
Like our first record, a lot of people would have
assumed the second record should be exactly the same. And
what I kind of naturally discovered was it just makes
sense to make the music you really like, even though
it can be risky at times. And the band was
so supportive even though it was spooky and risky.

Speaker 12 (45:47):
They were like, just do what feels good. We got
you back.

Speaker 18 (45:51):
And for me, knowing that support network is there makes
me feel just free to adventure and experiment, which is
like a really lucky place to be.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
So that's really interesting because I can imagine that there
are potential upsides and potential downsides create tividly from a
creative perspective, because you know, in some respects, having some
tension is good when you can push, when you're pushing
back against each other and saying, oh, actually, I think
we need to tweat that, I need to tweak that.
But in another sense, being so safe with the other

(46:20):
people who you're performing with to be able to just
take massive risks and know that there's not going to
be any judgment or anything like that, that you actually
give an absolute total creative freedom to go off in
a completely new direction. That that's must be liberating.

Speaker 18 (46:35):
It is great and like, and don't get me wrong,
like we do you know, we do offer insights and
constructive criticism to each other.

Speaker 12 (46:42):
Like I remember when when I made heavy.

Speaker 18 (46:44):
Hearted, which is like our first dance song really you know,
previously that it was like more rock based pop stuff.
And I remember Andrew, my bass player, was like, dude, like,
we can't.

Speaker 12 (46:55):
We can't release this dance music. And I was like, no,
I think it's fine, Like I just I really like this.
I think it's like well crafted. It feels like exactly
what I want to do.

Speaker 18 (47:02):
And we just had this back and forth and in
the end, like I think he more understood, like it
was a bigger part of the record. But I really
did like that conversation because he was like, dude, this
is dance music.

Speaker 12 (47:13):
I know. Like, yeah, I think we're doing dance music now.

Speaker 18 (47:17):
But yeah, you know, I think we're all kind of
used to the idea of making the music that feels
good first, do you know what I mean. I think
that's the best thing you can do for your fans
is make music in love.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah, it's honest, which is what people want. It's authentic, Right,
who's changed the most in high school?

Speaker 18 (47:34):
You know, it's funny, like none of us have changed,
Like it's funny. I feel like we're all the exact
same people. I will say maybe Keel and our drummer. Yeah,
he's a very similar guy, but he's just added like
a lot of elements to his life. Like he's just
about to get his pilot's license. Yeah, he's like he's

(47:54):
just like the Bad Grills of the band. He's just
got all these like adventurous things he likes. He likes
bows and arrows, he loves going on like like three
week camping trips with like no food and like figuring
it out the hunting and stuff. I think for him,
he's definitely gone a lot that kind of way. He's
become more Bad Grills as the years ago.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
He should probably have been the one on the jet ski.

Speaker 18 (48:16):
One hundred percent. He would have been fine too.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Hey you guys said that writing residency in LA recently, right?

Speaker 12 (48:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:24):
How was that?

Speaker 12 (48:25):
It was great? Yeah? Yeah, I spent like, I think
it was like eight weeks in La.

Speaker 18 (48:31):
It kind of went in with just the plan to
set up some co writes for people, and it was
really fun. They spent a lot of time writing with
Chroma Sparks over there What's so Not as well, and
it was just really nice.

Speaker 12 (48:43):
Like for me, I was at that experimental part of the.

Speaker 18 (48:46):
Record, I was trying to figure out, you know, maybe
there'll be some collabse I'll figure it out as they
go and actually hold my hand.

Speaker 12 (48:53):
The new single was a product of that trip.

Speaker 18 (48:56):
There's a really amazing artist named Running Touch from oz
and he comes from more of like a death metal background.
It was interesting to work with, but the way he
produces vocals amazing. So that was like one of the
first kind of production collabs I've ever done, and I
loved it.

Speaker 12 (49:12):
It's like a successful trip, I think.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
And if you compare that to the safety of creating
music with the band when they all know you so well,
how did they compare.

Speaker 18 (49:23):
It's you know, it can generally feel the same depending
on how you choose your people you want to write with.
I think for me, it's like it's like a date,
you know what I mean, Like you go on a
date with someone you're interested in, someone you think it's cool,
and it's the same thing as some writing. Like if
you get a good vibe from that person and you
can potentially be friends, then more often than not, the
session will go well, you know what I mean. It's

(49:44):
just like that. It's just like a friendship. So I
was kind of like it. I met a lot of
people and made a lot of friends on that trip.
And again, it's just the same thing as like bully
your gut and if you feel good about that person,
even if they make really different music, you can make
something cool.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Yeah, you can. Still there's no kind of barriers to
the chemistry, right, even even if they come from a
totally different background. Yeah, oh that's so good. So what
can we expec from the New Zealand shows?

Speaker 18 (50:08):
Oh, well, this is we're just integrating my hand to
the set, which is which is going to be really fun.
And it turns out we've we've we've started dabbling in lasers,
I think.

Speaker 12 (50:21):
Yeah, in Wellington and Auckland.

Speaker 18 (50:24):
Yeah, we have this lighting guy that is like the
best type of mediac He just loves like everything, he
loves like all the machine in tech.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
You know.

Speaker 12 (50:32):
He's just like he's just found these lasers and apparently
not many people have used.

Speaker 18 (50:37):
So it turns out like in New Zealand we're going
to be throwing down some lasers, so expect that.

Speaker 12 (50:41):
Bring your Sonnies, I guess.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that. There's sounds some sounds
fan tested. Well, We're delighted to have you here. I'm
really pleased that you are back releasing music. I'm really
pleased that you're that your ankle is better. And we
can't wait to have Jungle Giants here very soon.

Speaker 12 (50:59):
Thank you so much. Ben.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
There is Sam Hales from Jungle Giants. They're playing Auckland
and Wellington shows next month. We have all the details
on the news Talk Said b website. It is nineteen
minutes past ten on your Saturday morning before eleven o'clock.
We you want a real we want to understand what's
going to happen in the real world with all of
the crazy Trump tariff stuff this week. So, yes, the
markets are up and down all over the place. They

(51:20):
are all sort of geopolitical implications. But two basic questions
I have. Number one, what does it mean for Kiwi's
kiwisavers and what does it mean for the likelihood of
mortgage rate cuts in the next few months and cuts
to the ocr So we're going to take a closer
look at that before eleven o'clock. Next up, we've got
your screen time picks for this week shows to watch

(51:41):
and stream at home. It's nineteen past ten.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Jack
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Speaker 3 (51:53):
Twenty two past ten, which means it's screen time time
on your Saturday morning. Tara Award is our screen time expert.
Every week she makes three picks for TV shows to
watch and stream at home over the weekend. Hey Tara,
good morning. Okay, let's begin with a show streaming on
Apple TV plus tell us about your Friends and Neighbors.

Speaker 11 (52:13):
Yeah, he's finished White Lotus and you're missing a show
that's sort of poking fun at the rich and terrible
people of the world. Your Friends and Neighbors is worth
a watch. This is a new drama. It stars John
Hamm who plays a successful businessman who is one day
out of the blow fired from his job and all
of a sudden, he goes from having everything whye family,
beautiful house to having very little, and so he comes

(52:36):
up with this idea to steal from his rich friends
and neighbors. And his idea is that they have so
much stuff they won't notice the things that go missing.
And because he's so similar to his friends and neighbors.
He'll be the last person that they suspect.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
And so he.

Speaker 11 (52:50):
Starts off with you know, small things, watches and cash,
and then gets older and more ambitious and gets himself
into trouble and it's very hard to have sympathy for him.
Most people will just get another job when they get fired. Yeah,
you know, he still has a lot of stuff, but
a bit the white lotus. The characters and the show
behave badly and their own worst enemy. But John Hammer

(53:11):
is great in this. He's very suave even when he's
falling apart. And Amanda Pete places his ex wife, she's
fantastic as well. The only thing with the show is
that there is a lot of setup. It's a really
slow start. I wanted something happen to happen sooner than
it did. But if you can stick with it and
you don't mind a slower pace, this is a really
smart drama that's going to turn into a darker kind
of thriller as it goes along.

Speaker 18 (53:32):
So it is.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
I was going to say it is a drama because
it almost sounds like a comedy, you know.

Speaker 11 (53:36):
Yeah, No, it is a drama. I mean there's sort
of the funny moments in it, but yeah, definitely more
on the drama side.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Yes, yeah, okay, cool. So that's your friends and neighbors
starring the suave John Hamm. It's on Apple TV Plus
on Prime Video. Tell us about land Man.

Speaker 11 (53:50):
Yeah, if you want to show with more bite and
energy that also stars John Hamm. Then this is land
Man on Prime Video. And this came out at the
end of last year, so it's not brand new, but
it flew under the radar bit and a couple of
people have recommended it to me in the last few
weeks and I can see why. It's such a great
little drama. It stars Billy Bob Thornton and it's set
in the oil fields of Texas and Billy Bob Thornton

(54:11):
plays a landman called Tommy. He's the overseer of the
oil drilling operation in West Texas, so he's in charge
of negotiations and access and dealing with billiers and landowners.
Everyone's trying to get rich. Everyone is out for themselves
and Tommy is in the middle of it. And he's
an alcoholic. He's got a lot of debt and he's
trying to survive and quite a cutthroat industry. And when

(54:34):
I was watching this before I knew anything about it,
I thought, this feels like Yellowstone but in the desert.
And that's because it was created by Taylor Sheridan, who
also made Yellowstone, and so it's got that same sort
of grittiness and masculinity to it. There's danger and politics
and bureaucracy. I mean, it's not perfect. The female characters
are pretty one dimensional and it's very.

Speaker 20 (54:55):
By the book.

Speaker 11 (54:55):
If you watch a lot of Taylor shar and stuff
shows like Tulsa king and Mayor of Kingstown, it's still
a really entertaining show. Some great one line is in there.
John Hammer's in this. To me, more is in this who?
And I think Billy Bob Thornton is in his element here.
He's having such a great time.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Very good. That's land Man. So that's on Prime Video.
And last but not least, North of North as John
Hammond this as well.

Speaker 11 (55:17):
No, strangely, well not yet.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Yeah, north of It on Netflix.

Speaker 11 (55:22):
Yeah, yeah, this is a very wholesome, delightful new Canadian
comedy that's just come to Netflix. And I wanted to
mention this because there are two New Zealanders in the
cast of the show. Bailey Potching and Jay Ryan are
both in this, which is very cool for such a
global show on Netflix. But this is a comedy set
in the aptic, in a tiny town as far north
as you can go. It's surrounded by snow and ice

(55:44):
even in summer, and it's about a young Enik woman.
She's a wife and mother who wants to break free
and define her own life, but it's finding that quite
hard to do in a community where everyone knows you
and has certain expectations of how you should behave And
Bailey Potching plays one of her best friends, and Jay
Ryan is an out of towner who arrives one day

(56:06):
and turns everything upside down. And if you like warm,
gentle comedies like Shit's Creek or Superstore, this isn't that
same kind of vein. It's charming, there's lots of quirky characters,
and very unique in that it's set in this in
community and one of the most remote place on earth,
So you know, it's fabulous. There's nothing else like this

(56:27):
on TV at the moment, which makes it worth a watch.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
A very good Okay, I'm looking forward to seeing that
does sound kind of interesting, so that's North of North
It's on Netflix, Landman is on Prime Video, and Your
Friends and Neighbors is the one with John Hamm stealing
from his friends. That's on Apple TV. Plus all of
those shows will be up on the News Talks. He'd
be website before eleven o'clock on Newstalks, he'd be We're
talking tech and we're going to take a closer look

(56:49):
at the company Shopify. Shopify is one of these companies
that helps companies around the world to kind of sell
and sell products. It's kind of an e an e
commerce enabler. Anyway, they were one of these companies that
move quite quickly with trying to change the workplace. So,
for example, they i think went through and deleted all

(57:09):
recurring meetings that had more than three people from memory.
So any meeting that was in everyone's calendar or schedule
in a workplace that had more than three people and
was recurring, they went through and deleted it and said
you had to justify having the meeting. Now they've gone
a step further. They are saying that all employees have
to justify why AI can't do the job they want

(57:32):
to hire for. They've got to do that for all jobs.
So we're going to tell you more about that very shortly.
Plus of course, how this week's market turmoil courtesy of
Donald Trump's tariffs is likely to affect your keiwi saber.
This is coming up to ten thirty.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Getting your weekends started.

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Speaker 3 (58:22):
This is out of My Head by Delaney Davidson. It's
a big night. On Tuesday night, the Tate Music Prize
Awards ceremony takes place. Delay Davidson nominated for his album
out of My Head and before Midday is Stelle Clifford,
our music reviewer, is going to join us and run
us through exactly what the awards are, how they work,
and why they're such a big deal. In my view,

(58:44):
I just going to make me sound terrible. The Tate
Music Prize is like that. It's like the it's like
the Music Prize for the like if you're really into
like slightly alti music, you know, like if it's like
the Muso's Musos, you know, I think it's that's fair.
It just kind of celebrates independent Kiwi music artists and
their work from the last year. And look, there have

(59:05):
been some big name winners, the likes of Lord. Not
sure if we heard her Elds Harding reb Fountain. Lord
famously hit major heights with her debut album that she
actually shared the prize among her fellow nominees because I
think they get a bit of cash and get a
bit of studio time, and so she made sure that
she kind of spread the love a little bit. So

(59:26):
as in addition to the Museo who are celebrated on
Tuesday night, Friend of the Show Chris Schultz is nominated
for Outstanding Music Journalism for his sub Stack Boiler Room,
and one prize has actually been announced ahead of time.
So the Classic Record Award was handed to Sheehart for
their nineteen ninety five kill Joy album. Makes a lot
of sense given they've been touring and it kind of

(59:50):
acknowledges a timeless, altered or album that was released more
than twenty years ago but continues to inspire today. So
there you go. We're going to share with you a
bit more keeping music. Some of the other finalists for
the Tape Music's Top Awards Top Prize before midday today
before eleven o'clock, we're in the garden next up, so
our texpert is here. After a maddening world week in

(01:00:10):
the World of Technology twenty seven to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 15 (01:00:18):
Asia Business corresponding Peter Lewis withers, but one forty five
for China, is that a completely separate thing that will
unfold in its own way, or because China is China,
we're all in this together.

Speaker 21 (01:00:28):
I think in some ways we're all in this together
because what happens to the Chinese economy perfects the rest
of Asia. About fifteen percent of China's economy depends upon exports.
Around fifteen percent of that goes to the US. So
this could easily shave off a couple of percent off
of China's GDP because when how it's one hundred and
forty five percent trade between those two countries has come

(01:00:51):
to a complete.

Speaker 15 (01:00:52):
Hawksback Monday from six am, The mic Asking Breakfast with
the Rain driver of the Last News Talk zib.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Twenty four to eleven Non News Talk zib Our texpert
Paul Steinhaus is with us this morning. Paul crazy old
week in your world. Have you tried by anything on
Timu in the last few days. You're based in the US,
which means that you still have some significant tariffs against
the world's second biggest economy.

Speaker 14 (01:01:16):
Yeah, yeah, no I haven't.

Speaker 22 (01:01:18):
Ali Barber's Ali Barber expresses probably off limits now tours
and that those prices are we sky high.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
I mean one hundred and forty five percent is the
tariff at the moment, So basically everything wasn't it. Yeah,
two and a half times as much as it would
have which is yeah, okay, well one and a half
time started. Yeah, we started. But have you I'm genuinely interested.
Have you Have you just gone into Timu or Amazon, like,
have you noticed any difference in terms of prices yet?

Speaker 22 (01:01:45):
No, but you do hear stories of I mean one
of the big ones over here is cars, because you
know the importing of cars are going to.

Speaker 14 (01:01:52):
Be heavily tariff was on the very first tariff to.

Speaker 22 (01:01:54):
Be announced, and the weekend that they announced it, apparently
there were just like lines lines around the block ye
at cars dealerships because people want to try to get
in beforehand. There are people talking about like or maybe
I should drive and buy like the new iPhone. Then
you make some of the technology stuff maybe before you
start to see some of these tariffs, because obviously the

(01:02:15):
goods that are already here are okay, I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Mean, I've heard this crazy, this crazy story. So Apple
is one of the in terms of the tech companies
that will be hit the most because it's all about
goods rather than the services, right, So it's like physical things.
And so Apple does a lot of its manufacturing in China.
Although it's tried to move things to other countries lately,
including the UNS, it still does a lot of China.

Speaker 12 (01:02:36):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
So apparently they tried to They had cargo planes that
they were like stuffing full of iPhones and iPads and
via headsets, hoping that they might be able to get
those to the US before the tariffs come to effect.
I mean that's pretty crazy.

Speaker 22 (01:02:53):
Yeah, six hundred tons of iPhones apparently tried to come.

Speaker 14 (01:02:57):
Into the US that way. But can you imagine being
the person Apple.

Speaker 22 (01:03:00):
It's like, hey, tim, yeah, mister Apple, I have a
really good idea.

Speaker 14 (01:03:05):
We're gonna need planes.

Speaker 22 (01:03:07):
Yeah, it's it's actually probably the beginning of a really
good film.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Yeah, it's time to be alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone
someone said it was like the it's like those you know,
it's like seeing the Americans fleeing Vietnam, you know that
the last Choppers out of Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,
it's it's kind of kind of like that. Anyway, obviously
going to be a crazy time to watch all of that.
And I reckon Apple. I know we've said this already.
My take is that I reckon, We've got to keep

(01:03:32):
on watching Apple because Apple has been the big player
for so long now, it kind of since the since
the advent of the smartphone, Apple has dominated the kind
of tech world, and I just reckon they're under pressure
on all sorts of fronts at the moment. Not only
is their tech maybe not as good as it was
compared to its competitives, but now they've got these tariffs
to deal with as well. So yeah, under a lot

(01:03:53):
of pressure at the moment. Anyway, WhatsApp has some big
changes coming, and WhatsApp is increasingly becoming the app that
I think many of us use, if not as our
kind of primary form of communication, it's certainly right up
there as our number one messaging app. And there are
all sorts of changes coming.

Speaker 22 (01:04:13):
Yeah, And it's funny because the messaging is one of
the things that actually keeps Apple like people sticky to Apple, right,
They've got their I message groups, they like seeing the
blue bubble. It's one of the things that the European
Commission has been really fixated on trying to get Android
and iPhones to talk better, and WhatsApp is one of
those apps that really does bridge the gap. And now

(01:04:34):
it's getting more into the encryption game, and it's now
really trying to become I think it wants to be
almost Jack like, more than just a one on one
or like family group chat type thing. I think it
really wants to be starting to go after the likes
of the Slacks and the Discords because all of these
new features that are coming to WhatsApp are really about groups.

(01:04:54):
It's going to show you now how many people are
online and your group. It's going to make it easier
to react to messages with emoji and if someone's already
you know, added one, you can just click and add
another one like you.

Speaker 14 (01:05:05):
Do on team and that you do on Slack.

Speaker 22 (01:05:07):
Right, there's gonna be more controls for notifications. Do you've
blast it out to the whole group just mentioned certain people,
and then they're starting to build features too, like things
like events. You can send out RSVPs, Now you can
respond with maybe. Now you can add plus ones. So
it's really trying to move away from just being that hey, mum,
got a picture for you app and actually do more.

Speaker 14 (01:05:27):
They're spending.

Speaker 22 (01:05:28):
The big update is that they've invested in high quality
video calls. You can you'll be able to pinch to
zoom if you're on your mobile phone. Just little like
that where they're really trying to make it, you know,
it's a better experience.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Yeah, yeah, it'd be like welcome Murrikan some of those changes.
I mean I already find concept really intuitive. Hey, Shopify
is now forcing employees to justify why AI can't do
the job they want to hire, which is fascinating because
this is the same company that did the whole deleting
of every recurring meeting A.

Speaker 14 (01:05:58):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 12 (01:05:59):
So.

Speaker 22 (01:06:00):
I think this is probably the first time we've seen
one of the headlines where AI's at. She's now starting
to replace people. You know, we've had mentions of it.
When it was the Hollywood Writers' strike, it was, oh,
what are the AI is coming to the writer's room.
But the CEO of Shopify has actually come out and
sent a letter to all of his employees, and first

(01:06:21):
of all, it says, you're going to start using AI
in your daily work just like point blank, you have to.
He wants them to be more efficient. He believes AI
is going to help it do that. And he said,
I have to read this because if you're a parent,
I feel like your kids need to be thinking about
how to incorporate AI into their life right because he says, frankly,
I don't think it's feasible to opt out of learning

(01:06:42):
the skill of AI and applying it to your craft.
You are welcome to try, but I want to be honest,
I cannot see this working out today indefinitely, not tomorrow.

Speaker 14 (01:06:52):
It's kind of pointed, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:06:54):
So not only are they saying you've got to use
it every day, they're baking into their performance reviews, so
you'll be now assessed based on how much you're using AI.

Speaker 14 (01:07:03):
And then they're going the absolute next step.

Speaker 22 (01:07:05):
Further, which is instead of just writing a job description,
before you do that, you have to prove why the
things in the job description are not going to be
able to be done by the AI.

Speaker 14 (01:07:17):
So that's a massive change. I think that's the.

Speaker 22 (01:07:20):
First time we've really seen it framed like that where
it actually is starting to replace.

Speaker 14 (01:07:26):
People in companies.

Speaker 22 (01:07:29):
More so than just being kind of like a fun
toy on the side or a helpful tool or a
thoughts starter or a document summarizer.

Speaker 14 (01:07:36):
It's okay, no, it's.

Speaker 22 (01:07:37):
Actually going to apparently now start really doing things.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Have you personally noticed like a big step up in
the aid of capability of the likes of because I
was just going to say, I've like in the last
even in the last six months, and the difference between
the most recent models that they've released, like they're getting
very impressive. It's certain tasks, you know.

Speaker 22 (01:08:01):
Yeah, And so the one so I use a lot
of AI in coding, so in my company.

Speaker 14 (01:08:06):
And the thing that I've noticed is that when I
sort of.

Speaker 22 (01:08:09):
Started doabbling with it maybe a year ago, the accuracy
was terrible, and then about six months ago it started
to actually be able to do some things relatively autonomously
and not miss it up too badly. Now I've just
started switching over to the new Google large language model,
and it's incredible. And that's the kind of benchmark I've

(01:08:32):
been seeing and using is how well can it code?
And code's good to benchmark on because it's very well
documented and you can see if it actually works.

Speaker 14 (01:08:39):
But no, you're right, it is getting increasingly good smarter.
I think I'm trying to figure out that.

Speaker 22 (01:08:46):
Yeah, it's getting smarter, it's making less errors, it's doing
things now like citing its work.

Speaker 14 (01:08:52):
It's maybe hallucinating a little bit less. But I'm scared.

Speaker 22 (01:08:57):
Excited to see where it goes in the next year
because it is. You can if you're a daily user,
you do notice it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Yeah, very good, Thanks Paul, take care of catch you soon.
Jack shopped on TIMU last night. There were no big increases,
in fact a big discount. Yeah, but there's because you're
in New Zealand. We we don't have tariffs. Try it
from America. We've got one hundred and forty five percent
tariff right now. Nineteen ninety two of our text number
sixteen to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
No bit of way to kick off your weekend. Then
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Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Zemb fourteen to eleven. Ed McKnight from Opie's partners is
here talking money killed her. Great to be here, Jack, Oh,
great to be speaking with you. My goodness, what a
week of turmoil for the global It's sort of hard
to keep up with everything at the moment. So I
don't think the tariffs have changed overnight, which makes well
a nice change if you like a little bit of stability.

(01:09:49):
But we wanted to talk to you about some of
the impacts for everyday Kiwi. So let's start off with
the impact on Kiwi savers this week, because there has
been a bit of movement.

Speaker 23 (01:10:00):
There has been huge movements, so the American stock market,
the S and P five hundred that went down ten
to since within around about two days, it's recovered a
little bit, recovering about half of those losses. But look,
I logged into the Keewee Savor a USB portal just
before I picked up the phone here Jack, I'm personally
down six and a half k over the last thirty days.

(01:10:22):
I know some Kiwis, especially those who are closer to retirement,
are going to be logging in and seeing even bigger
losses on that. Thankfully, not too many changes overnight, but
there's I've been thinking a lot about first home buyers
and retires people who are quite close to needing to
use that money. You know, the thing we often say
to younger people is if you've got a really long

(01:10:46):
time horizon, if you're twenty five now and you're not
going to retire till sixty five, maybe you'd typically put
your Kiwi savor in a growth fund or an aggressive fund,
something that's got a lot of exposure to shares. And
so if that's you, you probably have seen some quite
large drops. But what this has got to be thinking
about as well, if you're twenty five, is your time

(01:11:07):
horizon really forty years? Are you really not going to
touch that Keiwi savor until you're sixty five or are
you going to need it be a house deposit next year? Well,
if you're going to need it for your house deposit
next yeah, hopefully you weren't in a growth fund because
you really needed that money in a year or two years,
maybe five years. And if you were about to pull
out that key we saveor to buy it as a

(01:11:27):
deposit for your first home, well you really hope that
it hasn't dropped, you know, five K or six k,
because when you are buying that first home. Every last
dollar really does count. And I've also been thinking about
those retirees. Hopefully those people are who are sixty three
and aren't going to be using that key we saver
very shortly. Hopefully they are in the right fund for
them as well. Now you could be sixty three and

(01:11:49):
maybe you've got some other savings stashed outsper and you're
not going to touch that key we save it to seventeen.
Maybe then it's still okay to be at a growth
fund have a lot of shares in there. But I
think it's a really good wake up call for Kiwi's
not to be too polyannerous, sure, not to be too
optimistic in terms of the fund. Yes, shares do tend
to make more money over time, but if you are

(01:12:11):
going to pull out that money within the next couple
of years, just think very carefully about what sort of
funds that money that money is invested in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Yeah, I reckon there's always a good argument. Well, it
depends where you are, like you say, but there's often
a good argument for like structuring a bit of a split, right,
so you have some of your key we savers, say,
in a more conservative fund, you have some in a
mixed fund, you have some in an aggressive fund. I mean,
if you like me and you've got a few decades
until you're going to be retiring, then sure chuck it
all into a more aggressive fund. That makes sense. But

(01:12:40):
having a structured fund often makes make sense. And like
you say, you know what a wake up call. And
let's be honest, even if, even if these tariffs are
all canceled tomorrow, the nature of Donald Trump's leadership is
that there's likely to be some volatility over the next
couple of years as well. Well, what do you think
this is going to mean for interest rates?

Speaker 23 (01:13:00):
Well, according to the Reserve Bank, I reckon that the
interest rates could have to come down faster. And it's
quite strange as often when we think about tariffs, we
think it's going to cause more inflation. And the more inflation,
the fasta that prices go up. Typically you'd see interest
rates increase, and certainly you'd likely see some inflation in
the US. But here's the thing. We sell a lot

(01:13:21):
of our stuff, a lot of our exports over China. Now,
if China gets really hit by these tariffs and Chinese
businesses aren't going so well, the Chinese economy isn't going
so well. Well, they've got less money to buy our stuff,
and if we can't sell as much of our stuff
over to China or some of our other trading partners,
then our economy is going.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
To slow down a bit.

Speaker 23 (01:13:40):
Now, there's so many arguments for why this could cause
inflation here in New Zealand, but there are also a
lot of arguments for why it could bring our inflation
down and therefore our interest rates down. Looking at what
the Reserve Bank is saying, us saying on the balance
of it, we think this is actually going to bring
our inflation rates slightly down. That means that interest rates
may need to fall, and we're actually seeing that in

(01:14:02):
the market. So if I look at what it costs
a bank to borrow money and lend it out to
you and me for our mortgages, you know, those wholesale
rates are down about zero point two five percent over
the last week or so. They're pretty volatile as you'd expect,
but I am seeing a slight weakness and infrastructs interest
rates coming down slightly because of the spart It is

(01:14:22):
very volatile, so we'll see what happens tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
It's a funny old time to be alive. Ed, it's
a funny old time to be alive. I mean, never
a dull day. I think we can all agree on
that at the very least. But thank you so much.
We really really appreciate that, and we'll catch again soon.

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Do you know what I reckon? The difference between a
cicada and the cricket any can anyone describe in a moment?

Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
Yeah you can. Well. Cicada is very simple.

Speaker 7 (01:15:11):
Cicada is one of those things that there's timbles at
the bottom of its belly and it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
Makes it makes that.

Speaker 12 (01:15:21):
The same exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:15:23):
And also this is the cold thing on the bottom.

Speaker 7 (01:15:26):
They can do they can do clicking with their wings
at the same time, so it's like.

Speaker 6 (01:15:33):
That sort of stuff and it becomes a bands.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Literally yeah you know, yeah, right, okay, so they.

Speaker 6 (01:15:39):
Are basically finished.

Speaker 7 (01:15:40):
I heard one or two the other day, so it's
not that long ago, but this is the end of it.
And yeah, they'll be laying eggs inside twigs. I've got
it all on the system. It's all there on the website.
You'll find it right there. Second thing blackfield crickets for
you guys in the north. It's a black thing that goes.

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
At night. This is the end for them. Basically, they've
laid their eggs already in February and all that, so
you are too late to control it now. The best
time to do it is December.

Speaker 7 (01:16:10):
I'll come back to that when that time comes anyway,
but that noise will finish as well. What is really
coming up is wetter because that's their mating season, and
boys and girls are talking to each other and it's
it's like, it's absolutely fabulous the way they communicate. And
of course, yeah, and then they make and then the

(01:16:30):
females lay their eggs right from now one basically in
soft soil.

Speaker 6 (01:16:35):
But the cool thing now is Katie did because it
talks during the end of the day sort of afternoon
and then through the night and it goes like it's.

Speaker 7 (01:16:46):
Very soft and it sounds and you can pick them
up for miles away. It's absolutely brilliant, and here comes
the thing. As soon as it gets dark, they climb
into Julie's roses and they start eating eves. There's no sorry,
because she is ridiculously relentless in getting the little bugus.

(01:17:11):
As she saw on the the kitchen window last night.
It was about to fall out of the window to
get it. Very funny, but there you are. But the
cool thing about.

Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
Katie ditches stay ventriloquists.

Speaker 7 (01:17:22):
So you think you hear him coming from the right,
and so if your body and they come from the left,
and they know exactly how to do.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
That, it's amazing. They bounce the sound around. Yeah, yeah,
how clever. Okay, cool, all right, Well, like you said,
we're starting to say goodbye to those four sounds as
we head into the caller months. But you'll put some
tips and some pictures of those up on the news talks.
He'd be website, thank you very much, sir, catch so
rude climbs in the garden for us as he is
this time every week after eleven o'clock on Newstalks, he'd

(01:17:52):
be the top tips on optimizing a little bit of
a break over Easter and Anzac weekend, plus our travel
correspondent is taking us this week to Munich in Germany.
News is next. It's almost eleven o'clock on Newstalk.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Taine keeping the conversation going through
the weekend with bpure dot co dot ins here for
high quality supplements used talk.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Said b.

Speaker 12 (01:18:39):
In.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
If you're just standing on the radio this morning, Jack
Tamee with you this Saturday morning through the twelve o'clock
mid day. There was this funny little moment in the
rugby last night in the Crusaders Hurricanes game. We're reubin Love.
The Hurricanes fullback had kicked the ball deep and Will
Jordan was going back. The Crusaders fullback was going back
to collect it, and it was one of those kind
of things with the ball was trickling towards the dead

(01:19:01):
ball line and you were waiting to see whether or
not it would go over the dead ball line. Anyway,
it looked like it was gonna to get there, was
going to get over the dead ball line, and Will
Jordan was kind of leaving it because he knew that
his team would have the advantage. But Reuben Love came
kind of diving in at the last second to try
and save the ball, but he sort of clipped Will
Jordan as he did it, so the ball had gone dead.
He kind of clipped Will Jordan and it was it

(01:19:23):
was nothing, but he kind of tackled him, and you know,
it was like, was that really necessary tackle? Did you
really need to make contact with Will Jordan?

Speaker 19 (01:19:31):
There?

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Couldn't you see that the ball was going dead? And
it was one of those things when they slow it down,
it kind of looks worse and you had to wonder
in watching it what might have happened if he had accidentally,
if Ruben Love had accidentally hit Will Jordan like in
the knee and like injured him in some way. The
angle that he hit him at, it sort of looked
like that was maybe a possibility. And you need even

(01:19:53):
know with rugby, of course, and you can only imagine
what that would have meant if you know, one All
Blacks fullback had accidentally taken out the other All Blacks
fullback and injured him. There was a little skirmish that
were kind of handbags afterwards, but nothing too serious came
of for all anyway, one of those occasions in rugby,
we think, but for a little bit of good luck.
Things could have been a whole lot nastier there. Anyway,

(01:20:14):
I'm going to ask Jason Pine about that before midday.
Right now, it's nine minutes past eleven and time to
catch up with clinical psychologist Doogle Sutherland, who is looking
at the break and thinking about how best to make
the most of it. I think, honestly, Google that half
of New Zealand has decided to take off those days
between Easter and Anzac Day. Three days means you get

(01:20:36):
what like ten holidays or something.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:20:39):
Absolutely, It's one of those real bonuses, isn't it. Where
you go, wow, I'm doing that, And I'm kind of
looking forward to Thursday when I clock off and go wow,
I justys off.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 24 (01:20:51):
So yeah, I thought it was really timely to think
about how we can maximize.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Our leave because you know, lots of people.

Speaker 24 (01:20:58):
Are going away and at school holidays, and you know,
people are I heard on the news earlier that you know,
people are going to Bali and Vietnam and you know
all these other exotic places. I said, well, it wouldn't
it be good to give some people some good tips
on it how to maximize it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
I love that because you have my kind of approach
to this sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
My wife always teases me and says that because I'm
all about optimizing time, it's kind of the ethos through
which I shape my entire life. So, for example, like
she teases me because when I brush my teeth, I
will be listening to a podcast on one point five speed.
Like I'm like, I'm like, well, that's good time.

Speaker 14 (01:21:35):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
I could be brushing my teeth and learning, or I
could just be brushing my teeth and she would never
ever do that. But I like every little moment that
I get, I'm like, I gonna seize it.

Speaker 12 (01:21:44):
You know.

Speaker 24 (01:21:45):
That's interesting because I'm just backed away from doing that
a little bit. I'm just trying to really focus on
doing one thing at a time. Yes, And it's it's
been even even this sounds weird. Even when I walk,
I'm just trying to really.

Speaker 11 (01:22:00):
Not because I sound like I walk.

Speaker 24 (01:22:02):
Really fast and I feel really stress because I'm really fast.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:22:05):
Yeah, yeah, I'm the only reason I feel stressed because
I'm walking fast so slow. You So it's been Yeah,
but I used to.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Be like that day I've spent a lot of my lifetime.

Speaker 24 (01:22:13):
I'm brush my teeth and coma cat and with my
foot I will stir the pot as well.

Speaker 10 (01:22:18):
Yeah, and then yeah, you know it's.

Speaker 12 (01:22:20):
Like that's how.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Well I wanted to see. Then if you could see
the irony and in trying to like maximize or optimize
a holiday, because some people will say the whole purpose
of a holiday is not to worry about that stuff
and is not to like try and squeeze every little
bit of goodness out of that time. You know, the
whole purpose is actually.

Speaker 16 (01:22:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 24 (01:22:45):
But also it's I guess I'm coming at it from
how can you make the most of it? Like is
there a way that if you're going to be on
holiday you actually get the most benefit out of it?
And and it's interesting because for a long time in
psychology world people, there was a bit of debate about
where the psychologist, sorry, where the holidays were actually particularly

(01:23:05):
helpful for our well being. There was sort of no
strong research around it. But they've done a big sort
of you know, they every now and then again they
do this big mes analysis where they look at all
the studies and go, actually, we can draw conclusions and
they found that indeed, yes, the hold no surprise. Really,
holidays are good for us to recharge, and again no surprise,

(01:23:25):
the longer the holiday the best for us. But what
I was, well, well, somebody would have been paid. Yeah,
But the thing that I I sort of found interesting
was that they said, actually that what they found was
that lying around for the whole holiday doing completely nothing

(01:23:49):
was actually less helpful for us. You've got a lot
less benefit than if you were doing physical activities and socializing.
And that's not to say, you know, a couple of
days were enough andnoon lying on the beach just reading
your book and you know, is not I'm not saying
that's not helpful, but but doing for entire ten days
you don't get as much half as much benefit then

(01:24:11):
if you were, you know, socializing and doing some kind
of physical activity. So the idea of being out there
and active when you come back, you get much more
benefit from that than if you've just been lying around
doing nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Really, that's very interesting. I wonder why that is. I
guess it's like treating your body.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
I mean, yeah, I'm surprised. I'm maybe a bit surprised
for that, because I'm not I'm an active relaxer, like
i'm you know again, so listening to a podcast on
one point five time speed while listening while brushing my teeth.
I mean, you can imagine what I'm like on holiday.
But I know that a lot of people swear by
the sitting by the pool, you know, reading a book,

(01:24:50):
sitting on the coups kind of situation.

Speaker 25 (01:24:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:24:52):
Yeah, look weirdly enough, because I've done that too, and
it wasn't actually that long ago my get Christmas. It was,
and I had a period of doing that, and I
actually got a little bit bored in the end, just
another day sitting in the sun reading a book. And
I think there's something rejuvenating about actually getting out there
and doing you know, doing some activities and also socializing too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
You know, we do get a lot of.

Speaker 24 (01:25:18):
You know, recharge our well being from contact with other
people and from that socializing. So you know, you could
combine the two, of course you could. You could sit
by the pool or sit by the beach and do
that with other people and then you're kind of and
then then then it's probably that's probably hitting at least
some of what you want to do. It's interesting too,

(01:25:39):
they found that the benefits of holidays last up to
about forty three days, and if you work that out,
that's roughly six weeks. And I've always been well for
a little while now, I've been a big advocate of
trying to plan every six weeks having some sort of holiday,
whether that's just a long weekend or it's just the
day off. So I think that really holds up that

(01:26:01):
sort of idea about every six weeks do something. Yeah,
that so too, just just from a personal point of view.
If you can switch off, if you can mentally disconnect
from your work, that's really really, really key to really
having a good holiday. So it's not going to work
so well if you've got your device with you or
you know, well i'll just take my phone just in case,

(01:26:23):
you know, and it's like no, no, no, no, no,
you really want to cut that cord with work and
just completely mentally detached and you'll get much more benefit
out of being away.

Speaker 19 (01:26:32):
Again.

Speaker 24 (01:26:32):
That's probably you know, it's not kind of startling revelation,
but it's kind of good to have it confirmed that
that's a really useful thing to do.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
And it just reminds you to be purposeful about it.
So for example, I like, especially over the summer break
is kind of my biggest break of the year, and
I always like my last day of work. The last
thing I do is that I turn the notifications off
my emails and then I remove the emails from the
home screen on my phone, so that even if I'm
like looking at my phone kind of subconsciously, I'm not

(01:27:00):
reminded of emails, you know, little yeah, yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:27:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've just learned to to and
off my my email notifications on my on my iPad.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
I used to they used to.

Speaker 12 (01:27:11):
Keep popping up.

Speaker 24 (01:27:12):
What the heck, why am I doing this? This is
nuts because I would, you know, automatically remind me of
work again.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
And it's like, no, no, no, I don't need to
do that. Yeah, and I can.

Speaker 24 (01:27:21):
I have to remember to turn them on again.

Speaker 14 (01:27:22):
But that's that's all right.

Speaker 24 (01:27:23):
And people will always get hold of you if they
really really really need you, you know, some major crisis
that people can get hold of you. So yeah, anything
like that where you can just absolutely switch off that
the better you'll be in terms of making the most
of that time.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
Yeah, I totally agree. He very good, Thank you Google.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
That's that is really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
Research. I'm surprised it's only six weeks, though, well maybe
I'm not. You know how sometimes you come back from
a holiday and you feel like two weeks lady, if
you're letting need another one, I guess, I guess six
weeks is the absolute maximum host. So in an ideal world,
we all need to be structuring in little breaks every
forty three days. Doogle suddenly with us from Umbrella Wellbeing.
We'll put all of those tips on the news talks.

(01:28:00):
He'd be website. You can find everything from as show
up there, you know how to do it news talks.
He'd beat at coded in zed for slash Jack before
the perform a day rather Steve Williams kee we Steve Williams,
Tiger Woods's caddy, of course, has a brand new book
that we're going to tell you about, and as well
as that, we're going to be celebrating some of the
musicians who are final finalists for this year's Tate Music Prize.

(01:28:23):
The awards evening is Tuesday this week, so we're going
to make a little bit of space to play you
a couple of the finalists before midday next up at
Travel Correspondents here he's in Germany for us this week
seventeen past eleven on News Dogs, he'd be travel.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
With Windy Woo Tours. Where the world is yours for now?

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Travel correspondent is Mike Yardley. He's here this morning, calder.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Jorder Jack.

Speaker 20 (01:28:46):
Look. I was intrigued by comment you made to Nikki
Wicks this morning about how ready flavors seem to be
trending with some sweet treats, and it reminded me to
ask you, have you tried a hot Cross bun flavored pie.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
I think it's all well and good for britty flavors
to trend in some sweet treats. For some things, I
think there are limps to that trend, and I would
very much put a hot Cross bun flavored pie beyond
those limits. No, I haven't one. Where can you get one?

Speaker 6 (01:29:21):
Moment?

Speaker 20 (01:29:23):
I am not a frequent flyer to mecas like yourself,
but I did actually fall off the wagon and you
can fly. You can find them at McDonald's. What crossbun
flavored pies? Seriously, and they are actually really good. The
weird thing is chick and this is why.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
It's a sweet pie. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, for a moment,
I thought we were talking about like a mince and
cheese hot cross bun flow. No no, okay, yeah, no, god,
no got it.

Speaker 20 (01:29:53):
Okay, So you know, you know how they sell like
the apple pies and yeah, yeah, so it's sort of
like one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
I retreat flavor.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
It's not beyond the I mean that that at least
is kind of in a consistent you know that at
least you're sticking sweet with sweet.

Speaker 14 (01:30:09):
You know that is true.

Speaker 20 (01:30:11):
Yeah. The weird thing is it actually tastes more like
Christmas fruit cake because there's so much like spiced fruit
and that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Yeah, they're really good.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
So is it like kind of cinnamony?

Speaker 20 (01:30:24):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
And yeah right it is there like a liquid filling
or is it all just the dry fruit?

Speaker 20 (01:30:30):
Yes, there's a bit of custard in there as well.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
Look I'm coming round quite quickly actually, yeah. Yeah, you
brought me around very good. Okay. Anyway, we're talking Munich
this morning headline experiences in Munich, and this time the
year would mean that what spring is in full bloom.

Speaker 20 (01:30:49):
Right certainly is jack Yeah, winter hibernation is over the
beer halls, man, They are cranking in Munich. And even
the volume of crowds forming in April at marine plants
the old town square just huge, but one little mercy.
It's still a bit early for the birthday suits brigade.

(01:31:10):
I didn't realize this until a couple of weeks ago,
but apparently Munchners love taking their clothes off. So when
they're not wearing their later hosen, yeah, sort of. Come
May June, when the when the mercury rises, the banks
of the iSER River just morphs into this vast and

(01:31:31):
naked sunbathe in colony. So you have been warned if
you're heading to Munich this summer.

Speaker 26 (01:31:35):
I reel.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
I mean, is it wrong for me to say that
the German people generally are sort of like a kind
of you know, are keen enthusiasts and members of the
nudist community.

Speaker 20 (01:31:46):
I don't know the nature. Yes, I think the barbarians
lead the way.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Yeah, very good, honestly. Weirdly enough, the older I get,
the more attractive some of that scenes, not not necessarily
the community, but the prospect of sunning oneself obliberation anyway, exactly. Yeah,
So what is so good about the Platzel neighborhood in Munich?

Speaker 20 (01:32:09):
Yes, if you want a really nice authentic slice of
local life in the old town. I reckon check out
the Platzel Hood because it's just got all these lovely
cozy cafes. There's a timeless, homely ambience to the Platzel
district in the Old Town. It's also where you will
find the Horfbray House, which is that temple like beacon

(01:32:32):
too Munich's beer tradition. This building was opened in fifteen
eighty nine, so that's a lot of Laggers since fifteen
eighty nine. Yeah, really good spot to feast on port
knuckle and fantastic lager. The one thing, Jack, the more
time I spent in Munich, the more noticeable it is

(01:32:54):
that Munchners tend to regard themselves as barbarians first and
German second. So like, yeah, it is a They are
the richest state in Federal German Bavaria and they only
became part of Germany a century ago. So yeah, that's
still got that quite zealous independent state of mind.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
That's curious, Okay, of course there is some dark history
in that part of the wood is the birthplace of
the Nazi Party. Does that kind of historical imprint Hitler's
historical imprint still Linger in Munich.

Speaker 20 (01:33:27):
I struggled with this check because yes it does, and
I actually think the city's soul is still somewhat restless
about its legacy and the atrocities. The reason I say
that is there are still a lot of Third Reich
landmarks in the city. So you can still see the
Fura building, which were Hitler's offices. That, by the way,

(01:33:48):
is where he signed that infamous Munich agreement with nevill Chamberlain.
And I was talking to some locals and they showed
me the Eternal Flame to the Victims of Nazi persecution. Amazingly,
that was only recently established because there had been years,
in fact decades of local resistance to that memorial being installed.

(01:34:11):
So yeah, I mean, well, what nearly eighty years since
the end of the war and those ghosts are still there.

Speaker 19 (01:34:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
One of the most sobering experience must be a visit
to one of the concentration camps and DAC hours close right.

Speaker 20 (01:34:26):
Oh man, It's incredibly close. It's only a twenty minute
train ride away from central Munich and it is a
very somber inflection point to a visit to Bavaria. This
was the first concentration camp the Nazis established. In fact,
at the time of the Berlin Games, the SS we're
running their training school of violence. Add to Dark Hour,

(01:34:48):
So the camp today it's been frozen in time, as
was the wish of Dark Hour's survivors. So there were
I think two hundred thousand people who were forcibly brought there.
And you will see the barracks, the crematorium ovens with
tens of thousands were laid to waste the gas chamber.
It is powerful, it is shocking. But yeah, I just

(01:35:08):
think since it is eighty years this year since the
end of the war, these sorts of places still mester
to us today, from.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
The horrific then to the fairy tale. What about Bavaria's castles.

Speaker 20 (01:35:21):
Oh, my goodness, you've got to see Noisch von Stein Castle.
It is the year round staff feature of Barbaria, and
it's like walking into a brother's grim story book because
it's sort of like peaks through the mountaintops like a
misty mirage. And it was the brainchild of the Barbarian

(01:35:42):
monarch Ludwig the Second. He was just obsessed by medieval
knights in Wagner's theatrical operas, so that all was very
much the inspiration for the interior content. You've got these
enormous tapestries, the size of circus tents floored to sealing
mosaics and frescoes, much of a showcasing scenes from Wagner's operas.

(01:36:05):
And then of course on came walk doesn't he He
took a look at noise Bonstein Castle and was quite
inspired for the Sleeping Beauty Castle in Anaheim.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Wow, So was he just eccentric or sort of completely mad?
You reckon?

Speaker 20 (01:36:18):
I reckon moized? People think he was certifiable And there
were just so many There were so many amazing stories
about how Ludwig the Second lived. He would sleep during
the day and at night he would get up apparently
and order his servants to take him on a sleigh
ride at two in the morning through the countryside. He
ate alone, but he always had a table set for

(01:36:41):
four because he had three imaginary friends. And I love
this one Jack. He would always have a horse dine
with him at the banquet table.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Of course, wouldn't you?

Speaker 12 (01:36:52):
So? Why not?

Speaker 6 (01:36:53):
Exactly?

Speaker 12 (01:36:54):
So?

Speaker 20 (01:36:54):
Yeah, he was quite unusual, and interestingly, the cabinet ministers
of Bavaria had him declared medically insane. Just before his
mysterious death in a lake back in the yard eighteen
sixty So yeah, interesting story.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Yeah, what a fascinating part of the world. Just so
many kind of different elements to the to the culture
and history and Munich and yeah, I've never been. I
love to go And you've painted a rich picture this morning,
so thank you. We'll have all the Mike's tips for
tripping through Munich up on the News Talks hed B website.
You know where to go before midday music from Tate

(01:37:30):
Music Prize finalists ahead of Tuesday Nights Awards, plus that
new book from Steve Williams. In a couple of minutes,
we'll catch up with Jason Pine see what he's planning
for weekend sport.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on News Talks B.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
This is Dangerous Day to Be a Cold One. It's
by Wellington based band Darts D A R t Z. Funny.
I feel like that song kind of been written in
nineteen seventy nine, like I said. The Wellington based they're
nominated for a Take Music Prize for their album Dangerous
Day to Be a Cold One. Album by the same
name of the song sure. Jason Pine has been to

(01:38:28):
a few of their gigs over the years. He is
with us for weekends for this afternoon, Kyonda Piney Yeah,
normally working as a roadie for Dark Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:38:37):
A dangerous day for a cold one.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Indeed, a dangerous day to be a cold one. I think, Yes,
that's a good I mean, I already quite like them
from what I've heard. Hey, congratulations, So we've said all
throughout this morning. It's a bit of an awards focused
show this morning. So we started off with the winners
from the Outstanding Food Producers Awards. We're gonna perform a day,
have a look at some of the Take Music Prize
Award finalists and Jason, you have been a finalist for

(01:39:02):
about three hundred things and this year's Radio and Podcast
thank you enter you as well.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
Look forward to celebrating with you on on awards night.

Speaker 27 (01:39:11):
Always fun to get to get a bit dressed up
and mix and mingle with the glitterati.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
It's always a bit loose any other thing that thing
I love about radio, it's always a bit loose to
the Radio awards.

Speaker 12 (01:39:21):
You know.

Speaker 27 (01:39:22):
We make our yeah, we make our name through audio
rather than the way we looked. I mean, you're you're
an excited the rule, but I know, no, it'll be great.
They'll be great to celebrate with the rest of the industry.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
That's so much to discuss. So super rugby last night.
Fantastic result for the Crusader's not so much the Canes,
but a great game that last ten minutes in particular.
I mean, as a Crusaders fan, it was a great game.
The other way, I wouldn't be happy. Well, yeah, you go, No,
I was going to say, I watched it.

Speaker 27 (01:39:49):
It's funny. I watched it through Hurricanes ice. You watched
it through Crusaders ice. In the last ten minutes year,
I just I kept on looking at the clock and
it just seemed to be going faster than I hoped.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Yeah, I wanted it to slow down. You probably wanted
it to speed up. I just didn't think that. I
didn't think the Hurricanes kind of managed that last ten
minutes particularly well, kick the ball away?

Speaker 20 (01:40:07):
What are you doing?

Speaker 14 (01:40:08):
You know?

Speaker 27 (01:40:08):
Yeah, but then you look at the Crusaders and they
had two men in the bin, didn't they And so
you're right, you think, okay, well fifteen short out number
thirteen If you move the ball through your hands, but
you have to give it to the Crusaders in terms
of the way they defended their line in that last
ten minutes. You know, Rob Penny must be absolutely delighted.
And then he got back to his hotel. I'm sure
just in time to watch the warrantsars but the chiefs

(01:40:30):
and so he wakes up this morning, I must say,
on a beautiful Wellington morning, the table top of the table.

Speaker 20 (01:40:35):
What did you make of that?

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
I mean, it was just it wasn't anything too serious
in the end, but that Will Jordan Ruben Love little tussle,
I just washing. I was like, oh, man, because you know,
Ruben Love kind of dived in and I don't think
there was anything sinister in his intentions. He's just trying
to save the ball from going dead. But he just
kind of hit Will Jordan in the leg and I
was like, oh, if he like if he took out
his knee there, Yeah, that wouldn't that wouldn't have been good.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
I see.

Speaker 27 (01:41:00):
There was a bit of rhetoric online about it, but
then there was also Ruben Love himself posted up, you know,
a photo of him and Will Jordan in an embrace
after the game. Saying you know, yeah, saying, look, it's
all heat of the battle stuff. Look, they're intense competitors.
You have to be to get to the top of
your sport. And yeah, Rubin Love was just doing everything
he could to try and stop that ball going dead.

(01:41:20):
Wasn't able to. But yeah, look, and just on Will Jordan,
by the way, I think we forget the influence that
he has. He wasn't there at all last year. And yes,
one guy doesn't make a team, but that guy makes
the Crusaders so much better.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
He's what a player he is, he is remarkable. Totally
agree with that. So Peter Berling splitting from Emirates Team
New Zealand. This has taken quite a few people by surprise.
I think, were you taken aback at this announcement?

Speaker 12 (01:41:48):
I was.

Speaker 27 (01:41:48):
I didn't expect it at all when the news came
through yesterday. But then you start to ruminate on it
and you think about it, and you think, okay, well,
he has been around the America's Cup team for a
long time, around Team Newsilla a long time. He's lifted
the America's Cup three times, so maybe Peter Berlin thinks, well,
I've been there and done that got sal GP, which
you know, the Black Falls have been nowhere near as

(01:42:10):
dominant in so he can only devote his energy to
so many different things. He's got his family of course
as well. He's involved in the Live Ocean set up too.
So look, I feel as though he probably just sat
there and thought something has to give, and it was
the America's Cup that gave, if you know what I mean.

(01:42:30):
So look, it presents a really interesting conundrum for Grant
Dalton as he looks to move beyond Peter Berling. And look,
you have to say, Peter Berlin one of our greatest
ever sailors, and his legacy will be absolutely secure in
the America's Cup. And it's not to say he won't
come back one.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
Day, no, of course, of course. So what's on the
show this stuff known?

Speaker 27 (01:42:52):
I want to get to Augusta. I want to talk
to the Masters. Gee, honestly, you look at that on
TV and you think, man, I've got.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
To get there at some stage.

Speaker 14 (01:42:59):
Have you been?

Speaker 3 (01:42:59):
Have you been to Walgusta?

Speaker 12 (01:43:00):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
No, I haven't. Actually no, I sort of lived the
Curious through our old friend Guy have ELT's eyes. Of course.
Oh yes, he hit around there right now he had
a pretty decent round from all accounts.

Speaker 27 (01:43:12):
He goes from ants anyway. I think he goes, you
wouldn't want to stuff it up at Augusta, would you.
But now we'll get over there and what does it
take to win there? What does it take to play
well there? Well, we'll find out. Steve Williams on the
show and he's been doing the doing the rounds, but
he's I'm talking to him specifically about Augusta this afternoon
super Rabia course, But first time I want to talk

(01:43:32):
about this idea of splitting our coaches in the Black Cats.
Should we have a red ball coach and a white
ball coach? Garrishtead says, I don't want to do it
all anymore, but I will be the red ball coach.
New Zealand Cricket haven't decided whether that's the track they
want to go down yet, so we'll have you out
about that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
We'll cover off the rugby.

Speaker 27 (01:43:48):
Rob Penny's actually on the show after two o'clock so
he can enjoy listening to his reflections. Jack of that
one by his.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Side, So I really do you know we were all
absolutely just climbing into him last year? You know the
media generally, I mean enjoy it. Why you're up? You know,
I reckon why not? Very good looking forward to the show,
So thank you. Jason Jain Whether the New Zealand radio
and podcaster was finalist many times over. Jason Pine will
be with us after midday with Weekend Sport. Before midday,

(01:44:16):
we've got that Take Music Prize Award finalists little selection
to play for you.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
Twenty two to twelve Saturday Morning with Jack Team Folk
Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Ed B nineteen to twelve on News Talks. He'd be
Cats and Rains has two great reads for us this weekend.
Calder Catherine Morning, Jack. Let's go through your books and
we'll begin with the one by Steve William's given all
Eyes are on the Masters this week together, we roared.

Speaker 25 (01:44:46):
Yeah, so as perfect if you're watching Augusta this weekend,
and it focuses on Steve Williams a little bit on
you know, why he chose to become a caddie caddy
and very early on this is something that he realized
that he wanted to do. And it talks about a
little bit about Greg Norman and Raymond Floyd and then obviously,
you know, he joins Tiger Woods firstly in the bay

(01:45:08):
Hill Invalitational in Orlando back in March nineteen ninety nine,
and Woods didn't ready to play that well. In fact,
Williams has been quoted as saying that that was one
of the shots, was the worst that he'd ever seen
Tiger play. But actually that's how they actually kind of
almost bonded over that because after the tournament he basically
told him that and told him he was overrated. And

(01:45:29):
I think it reflects both of their personalities and their
quite dry sense as of humor. And then yeah, he
became that caddy and there's this journey over the next
twelve years and you know he was obviously Woods was
anything but overrated, and they claimed thirteen major championships together.
But it talks about and it's not so much about Woods,
but it talks about the caddy's point of view and
that look into the partnership and you know, how Woods operates,

(01:45:52):
as well as some personal things that Williams has probably
not talked about before. But lots of things are in
the book that you have already been talked about. But
it's a really good insight to how good that pairing
really was, and how much a golfer really relies on
the caddy and what Steve Williams's characters like. And it
does go into some very extensive detail on the various
tournaments and the events they participated in, you know, the

(01:46:14):
decisions they make over critical holes and that sort of
joy and disappointment of what happened in those and much
less about the personal aspect. It's not about the drama
and the gossips. That's quite flattering towards in a sense,
but it also doesn't overplay, you know, Williams's role in
how great Tiger was as a golfer. So yeah, I
mean to the non golf in officiado, there's some really

(01:46:35):
interesting things into those insights about the caddy, but I
would almost say this is probably a golfer is a
fishinadio book, because yeah, when they talk about the holes
and things like that, if it's if you're not into golf,
that's probably not your jam, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
Very good, Okay, cool, that's together. We Roared by Steve
Williams and even priest. Next up Broken Country by clear
Leslie Hall.

Speaker 25 (01:46:54):
So this is set in a very small farming village
a place called Hempstead in the Dulstic countryside in southwest England,
and the two characters, Gabrielle Wolf and Beth fell in
love during the summer nineteen ninety nineteen fifty five sorry,
and he was her first love and he broke her
heart and she ends up marrying Frank, a local farmer,
and Gabrielle moves away and marries an American and soon

(01:47:19):
a few years later in nineteen sixty eight, after divorcing
his wife, Gabrielle returns to the village with a sudden
Leo and reminds Beth of her son Bobby, who died
not long ago in a tragic accident. And she's quite
drawn into Gabrielle and Leo's lives from an incident that
happens on the farm and these events trigger things that
change in both their lives. And you know very from

(01:47:40):
the very opening of the book that someone has been
murdered and someone's on trial and you don't know who,
and you sense this love triangle forming between Beth and
Frank and Gabrielle, and the two timelines go back to
nineteen fifty five and the story of Beth and Gabrielle
and their love life is teenagers and he leaves to
go to college and she finds out about another girl.

(01:48:01):
To nineteen sixty eight, and you know her life with Frank,
who's this really lovely farmer, and how their son Bobby
died in a tragic accident, and you get to see
the mistakes and the lies and the heartache. So it's
a family story as well as a love story. And
it's mainly told from the perspective of Beth, and yet
has this very interesting feel about It's quite distant and reflective,

(01:48:22):
and these very short chapters, and the characters in the
book are really interesting, and their relationships are and from
all of the things that happen on the farm, and
these two timelines and the themes and the choices and
the consequences of those choices just makes a really interesting,
quite reflective novel.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
Nice okay, cool. That's Broken Country by clear Leslie Hall
and Catherine's first book was Together We Roared by Steve Williams.
Jason Fine is going to be talking to Steve Williams
this afternoon on weekend. Supports to stick around for that.

Speaker 26 (01:48:48):
Right now, it's quarter to twelve, giving you the inside
Scoop on All You Need to Us Saturday Mornings with
Jack Dame and Bpure dot co dot nz for high
quality supplements used talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Versus Cartarehe by Anna Coddington. Anna was nominated for a
Tate Music Prize twenty twenty five for her album Miha
and the song is the album open Opener as Tale Clifford,
our music viewer is counting down to Tuesday night in
the awards and she's with us.

Speaker 28 (01:49:36):
Now, I killeda There's a lot to celebrate Kyoder. Yeah,
music scene and I and I love this. I'm sure
you've already mentioned a bit of history on the Tates
Music Prize.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
Well only a little bit, So just do what I
said that it's not I said, it's kind of the
Muso's Prize, you know, it is.

Speaker 28 (01:49:53):
Actually the Muso's Prize. Independent Music end Z is where
it comes from. They created these awards in honor of
Dylan Tate. Now, he was a really prolific music journo
for us, probably in the seventies, was quite berg and eighties,
had this real deep passion for music and entertainment and
all artists. But I think in particular he really helped

(01:50:15):
shine a light on our local artists, because a lot
of our local artists do have that independent vibe about
them and releasing their music into the world. And I
think he really shone a light on that. He was
the kind of guy that would chase chase an artist,
you know, like Bob Marley's like, no thank you to
any interviews when he's in Altiora. So Dylan Tate goes

(01:50:36):
and plays soccer on a field with him and some kids,
and before you know it, they're kind of like sideline
sort of doing an interview.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
That's one of the legendary Dylan stories.

Speaker 28 (01:50:47):
It absolutely is. And then I love that because I
think it just sums it up real fast in the
kind of style that he had, Like it didn't have
to be clean and perfectly edited and put together. It
was a chance to really just be with that artist
and whatever kind of way you could capture them. And
sometimes you get the best stories out of those people
when you're doing that kind of sort of chased you down,

(01:51:07):
come on, let's just chat about life sort of thing.
And our key we artists are great at that, you know,
like they are really good at sharing their heart and
also being a bit off cuff sometimes and I love that.
So so these are put together. There's a judging panel
that is put together of music industry professionals, so it'll
be the musicians themselves, writers, producers, all that sort of stuff.

(01:51:29):
Is about over a thousand of them that first choose
some finalists for the categories, and then that gets whittled
down with a with a smaller judging panel till we
get to the to get to the winners. And we
do celebrate those big things, so the big albums and
artists who are already doing the work. But there's also
the part here where it's sponsored by Auckland Live the

(01:51:49):
Best Independent Debut Awards. So this is our very new
artists just sort of discovering their way in the world
and getting you know, some some tunes out there.

Speaker 9 (01:51:59):
There's some for me.

Speaker 28 (01:52:01):
It's a really great way to learn some of our
new upcoming artists. And we just cover all spectrums of genres,
which I think is amazing. Vida is an artist who
stands out to me, a Tommocky based artist who's got
this like soulful jazz voice then put to like a
pop rock funk kind of music. It's a lot unpacked,

(01:52:24):
but it's really interesting to listen to. Billy Jean is
another amazing artist. If you can listen to her single
running a Muk. She is a Maori artist and she
really delves into her connection to her Malori heritage and
her music and sometimes it's this really beautiful acoustic sort
of magic, and then she gets into some real electronic

(01:52:44):
grit as well. So if you're looking for newbies and
who's coming out on the scene, you know, that's a
really good place to go and find them out. So
good luck to the people in that category. I don't
know how they choose their winners, what they do.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
So I'm looking at the top teen, the top ten
albums that are the finalists. The Anna Collington one we
just played, so you gave that ten out of teen.
Last year Delay David, you played before You get eeen
oueen last year Troy for Lea, the Man in the
Mahave Green, we had Troy on the shows. I feel
like this show has actually done a lot to enable
you know, some of these top artists in the top
Prize exactly.

Speaker 28 (01:53:16):
If we can give them some space, there's others. So
again we've got like this dangerous day to be a
cold one. That's by a band called Darts. Yeah, quite
furious and fun earth tongue album called Great Haunting. That's
a very fuzz rock sort of fuzz rock jooey sort

(01:53:37):
of sound. They're also partners in life as well as
in music, so putting their heart and soul into that.
Amelia Murray goes by the artists Phaser Days, which is
an indie pop.

Speaker 20 (01:53:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:53:48):
That was actually Rolling Stone's number one KII album last year,
so that's had a lot of coverage, which is great.
Georgia Lines, I mean, she has done a massive tour
over the last few months, the Rows of Jericho. She's
very talented, she's very funny, fun person to be around,
and that's a beautiful album. Holy Holly Aerosmith has gone
an album called Blue Dreams Now. She won the Best

(01:54:10):
Country Music Song at the Country Music's Awards in Goa
last year for one of her singles, and that's the
album that's been nominated, so you know, she's a bit
of a standout. Mel Parsons who toured with Crowded House
with her album Sabotage, she's also a finalist. She's also
just being announced as an altro music Awards finalist and

(01:54:32):
then finally more Caltron is the album. This is like
an electronic music, like real heavy beats, but again with
that kind of spiritual Mardi here such a range.

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
Yeah, okay, we're almost going to I know this is
the impossible thing. How that's not our job. There's your job.

Speaker 12 (01:54:55):
Okay.

Speaker 28 (01:54:56):
My pick is either and I love all of you,
but Anna Cloddington or Troy. I think the ones.

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
Who take this out can't wait.

Speaker 28 (01:55:04):
It's going to be a big day on Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
It's gonna massive. Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:55:07):
I reckon.

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
We'll play Troy in a couple of minutes to close
out the show. Still clipping with us there right now
at seven to twelve, a.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
Cracking way to start your Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
Saturday mornings with Jack Day and vpure dot co dot
z for high quality supplements, News Talks EDB five to.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
Twelve on News Talks EDB, which means I'm about to
get kicked out of here. Jason Pine is behind the
mic this afternoon for Weekend Sport. For everything from our show,
go to News Talks EDB dot co dot nz Ford
slash Jack. It's where we put up all of the
recipes we share on the show, our recommendations for TV
shows to watch, your stream, movie picks, book picks. All

(01:55:45):
that good stuff goes up on the website. Thanks to
my wonderful producer Libby for doing the tough stuff. We
are gonna leave you ahead of the Tait Music Prize
Awards on Tuesday nights with one of the finalists for
Best Album this year, Troy Kingey is doing his ten
ten to ten project. Of course, this is from Leatherman
and the Mohavey Green that's called Cactus and Jake see

(01:56:06):
you next week.

Speaker 20 (01:56:25):
And I lost the fight.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
And I realized how empty my life reeling was.

Speaker 20 (01:56:33):
You're gonna show me how to.

Speaker 12 (01:56:36):
Ji life is better.

Speaker 20 (01:56:40):
With the life

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
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