Full Show Podcast: 14 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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(00:45):
morning and welcome to News Talk EDB for our last
Saturday Morning together of twenty twenty four. It is my
absolute pleasure to be with you this morning, and we
have a cracking show as we count down to Christmas.
Richard Curtis is I think the bona fide master of
Christmas films and good news, he's got a new one out.

(01:05):
We're gonna tell you about it before ten o'clock this morning.
Then after ten o'clock our feature interview, The Sound of
Summer is back. The Sound of Summer is of course
Kiwi band Alamentop. Dave Gibson from Alamentop has made his
way from New York to New Zealand. He's going to
be with us in studio after ten o'clock. So I
cannot wait for that. Right now. It is seven minutes
past nine.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Jack t.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
And the obvious question is why why would you do it? Why?
Would you put yourself through it. No one was compelling us,
no one had a gun to our heads. We weren't
competing for a million dollars on a reality TV show.
So why why two weeks before Christmas, with all of
the stress and the pressure of the silly season, in

(01:49):
the midst of that heavy, humid tropical Auckland heat, with
Marve seven months pregnant, why would we decide that now
was the time to put up wall stickers in our
baby's bedroom. Now. To be accurate, I'm not actually totally
sure if they were wall stickers or wall decals. I

(02:12):
don't really understand the difference between the two. All I
know is that they were two enormous trees, each of
them about three meters high, that came in multiple parts,
needing to be perfectly stuck to the wall. Different branches
and shrubbery had to be placed together perfectly. Least one
half of the trees sit lower than the other. One mistake,

(02:35):
just one mistake in your eye gets drawn immediately to
the error. A tiny gap of wall in the seam
where the pieces should connect, or a lump of bunched
up sticker creased together, a permanent reminder of stress and incompetence.
My first experience with wall stickers or wall decals was

(02:58):
when I bought a four meter high vinyl World map
for my old apartment wall. Now, the map was exquisite,
incredibly detailed, but it required two giant sheets to be
perfectly aligned. I nailed the first one. It was level,
no creases, no lines. But I tilted the second sheet

(03:18):
by just one or two degrees. And the thing is,
when you're sticking them to the wall, you start at
the top. So by the time I had worked my
way down to the Tropic of Capricorn, it was obvious
that I was in trouble. For years afterwards, I stared
at that wall, consumed by the overlap which cut out

(03:38):
three quarters of the territory between Adelaide and Perth, and
a crease which created an unexpected mountain range east of
the Falkland Islands. Trust me when I say this, even
if visitors don't notice it, you notice it now. I
know what you're thinking, wall stickers are tacky. Well, well,

(04:00):
you're certainly right in the literal sense, zing given they
would be the predominant visual features in our baby's room.
Marva had decided it wasn't the sort of thing for
which she wanted an al chipo job from Timu, and
given Marva is you know, kind of two people at
the moment, we figured I should probably be the one

(04:21):
on the ladder. Looking back at those few hours, though,
I think the fact that tree wall stickers were expensive
probably only added to the pressure of the whole situation.
As I teetered on the step ladder a little to
the left, hands outstretched to the wall a little to
the right, I felt beads of sweat run down the

(04:45):
bridge of my nose and PLoP onto the floor below me. No, no, no, no, no,
not like that. Smooth it with the palm of your hand,
not your nails. I don't know how hanging wall stickers
compares to hanging wallpaper. In the end, it was a
team effort, from the peeling of the stickers to the

(05:06):
spirit leveling, to rubbing out the creases and the bubbles
against the wall. In the end, though, the real measure
of success isn't the fact that the trees look fantastic,
even though they do. The real measure of success is
that somehow our relationship survived. Jack Team ninety two. Ninety

(05:26):
two is our text number if you want to send
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her top tips on nailing your Christmas Turkey. Cannot wait
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Speaker 4 (05:50):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
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EDB quarterbas nine on newstorgs EDB. Jennifer sent me a
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on our war mural.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I totally relate. My partner and I tried putting up
wallstickers a few years ago. Honestly, we are still arguing
for it. Jack Jack Jack. Never with the wallstickers. Never,
never with wallpaper either, paint only at the end of
the day. It's lower risk. Jack, well done for expressing vulnerability.
I think it's serious, serious vulnerability on my part trying

(06:28):
to put up wallstickers. Our text number is nine two
nine two. Don't forget that. If you're sending me a
text them this morning. Standard text costs supply you can
email me as well if you like. Right now it
is quarter past nine and Kevin Milner is with us
this morning. Kevin, have you ever done wallstickers or wallpapers?

Speaker 3 (06:45):
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
You remember it? No, you trust me you remember it,
so don't If you can't remember it, you haven't done it.
It's not the sort of thing that one forgets.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, I honestly the when you told that story, some
nervousness came back to me. But I can't remember an
event where we put their mart But I was going
to make the point that I don't know how good
you are at the wall sticks, but you've become a
frighteningly good interviewer. I watched I watched your interview with

(07:15):
the Prime Minister. I get nervous now just getting on
the end of the phone with you, wondering whether you
might ask me a question I don't know if you.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Have, and then interrupt you constantly until you answer it. Yeah,
I'm lucky to you know that. One of the great
privileges I think I have is that I'm I'm able
to be in different roles, you know, So it's nice
to This is the thing I love about our Saturday
mornings together. Is it slightly more relaxed than Q and
A can be from time to time? But yes, yes, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
I remember Brian Edwards a great interviewer. He credited some
of the success of his interviewing career to people being
just so nervous even before the interview started. And I
think you're starting to create that sort of a reputation.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Oh yeah, that's interesting. Well no, yeah, I'm not sure
about the pitation, but that's an interesting prospect.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
Well.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I always think if they're politicians and senior cabinet menisters
and that sort of thing, they're usually pretty practiced it
speaking to people. But it is that being said a
foreign environment, being in a TV studio, I think, regardless
of who you are. But anyway, Kevin, you've been celebrating
an addition to the Milne family this year.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, as you await, in addition to your household, we've
added to ours. Not a baby. I drew the line
at that at age fifty two, which I thought was
a fair innings. No, we have a gorgeous golden retriever
nearly four months old, toilet trained in a recent graduate
of puppy school. All's gone well so far. The previous

(08:48):
owners trained him beautifully, though in the end deciding that
was a step too far for them and in a
busy young household. Actually, he has already chewed into some
of the back files of My Woman's Weekly columns. This
indeared him even more to my wife and daughter, who
thought it was hilarious. They don't realize those columns may

(09:08):
be destined for preservation in the National Archives. I took
his liking for My Woman's Weekly Columns as confirmation that
retrievers are indeed extremely intelligent. Retrievers were, of course, originally
gun dogs that recovered game birds after they'd been shot down.
So don't be surprised if I'm knocking your door, Jack,

(09:30):
with some grouse and a partridge for your Christmas dinner.
In truth, Jack, actually I noticed when I was writing
this up, I wondered whether there were any grouse in
New Zealand. In fact, they were bought in his Zealand
on the first four ships in the Canterbury but they
never survived, but are surprised to find there is still
some partridge in the wild.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Though.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Okay, now we don't have a name for our puppy yet,
though I'm tempted to call him either Tame or Jack.
Tame tends a great name for a pet dog, isn't it. Though.
Every time someone asks his name and I replied Tame,
they're going to say, yeah, I can see that, but
what his name? So we might go for Jack. When

(10:10):
he sniffs around nervous strangers, we can say, don't worry,
Jack's tame, which would be rightly amusing to everybody. But
but you were I medgine.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Jack very good. That is very very very good. I
like that he well, yeah, it depends on his behavior,
I suppose otherwise. Yeah, but I mean a gold anyway.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
So there's something that you've got for trend the two
of you.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, So I would have thought golden retrievers are dear,
I say, pretty high maintenance, aren't they, in terms of
in terms of exercise and everything else. You've really got
to keep them moving.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Ah, this is bad news for me, Jack, I thought
we were getting something fairly sort of straightforward because we've
had border colleagues up to now. Oh yeah, they're fairly
I think.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Border collegues the top of the list, aren't they in
terms of in terms of needing needing lots of exercise
and stimulus, and.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
That Jack Rustles are at the top of the list, aren't.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
They, are they? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, I don't know. I think so. When I had
a look, I thought we were being fairly conservative with
the Golden Retriever. But it's so far honestly, we're just
running around. It's like having another baby in now.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah. Yeah, it's so much fun though. Way, there's there's
such a kind of magic and joy from having a
new year.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
And our family. I think it's turned out to be.
Now I am wondering why I talked into the squad
girls in the family.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well here, yeah, yeah, true, Yes, he's very convenient for her.
Well look, Kevin, thank you so much for for everything
this year. This is my last show for the year.
So you have a wonderful Christmas, won't you, and enjoy
having the puppy there. We should say, of course, that
your family has given this careful consideration. The girls in

(11:51):
your family. And then obviously you are experienced, you are
experienced dog owners, so you're not recommending that everyone makes
a spirit of the moment puppy decision heading into Christmas.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Oh no, no, hell no.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
But you have a great Christmas though, and we will.
I'll look forward to speaking with you again in the
new year.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Thank you, Jack. It's been a pleasure, and thank you
for your Christmas card this year. That it's become something
we all look forward to now and you're not going
to be able to get out of that now.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, yeah, I'm locked in.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well yeah exciting, but yeah, yeah, you've.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Been a brilliant year and congratulations to that.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Thank you, Kevin. Yeah, look forward to catching up again. So,
Kevin Milney, thank you very much for your text.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yes, best to go with the big budget when you're
buying a wall decoll but best to set aside a
contingency as well. You've got the wall decal cost, but
then you've got the cost for all of plastering that
inevitably follows. True ninety two only two. If you want
to send us a message twenty two past nine on
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Speaker 1 (12:55):
Getting your weekends started it's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on News Talks, he'd be twenty.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Four minutes past nine on News Talks, he'd be be
fourteen o'clock this morning. What your film picks for this week?
And they two cracking films. So we've got that one
from Richard Curtis, who is, of course the director of Love,
actually the master of Christmas films. He's just released a
new Christmas film. It's on Netflix, so I'm going to
give you all the details for that. As well as that, though,
I'm going to tell you about this new movie better Man,

(13:21):
which is the true story of the rise and dramatic
fall and then resurgence of Robbie Williams. It's coming out
just after Christmas. I'm gonna give you all of the
information you need for that very shortly. Right now, though,
time to catch up with our sporto this week. Andrew
Saville is here, La sav Jack.

Speaker 8 (13:38):
Good morning. I'm looking forward to that Robbie Williams. Yes review, Yeah, yeah,
I'd like a bit of Robbie Williams. It looks a
bit weird though, because it's sort of he's he's sort
of animated as a chimpanzee or something. Isn't he in
the movie?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Or is he?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
I didn't realize that anyway.

Speaker 8 (13:56):
I'm sure, I'm sure your reviewer will have all the
details for you.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
That feels like a major detail that I hadn't picked
up on.

Speaker 8 (14:03):
I don't know what the connection is, but I mean
he was a little monkey, wasn't he for time to time?

Speaker 2 (14:07):
But yeah, yeah, yeah he is. He does appear to
be animated as a as a Yeah, I have to
give it all the way.

Speaker 8 (14:18):
Yeah, I'm sure your full and frank review will go
why wow. But yeah, he can certainly still belt out
of tune and there has been resurgence for him, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Speaking of resurgence, the black Caps have had one of
those incredibly kind of black Caps a few months, haven't they,
And that they got Thrashbo sro Lanka. They went to India,
recorded an historic series sweep which no one on the
face of this Earth's are coming, and then returned home
home conditions only to get absolutely pumped in the first
two tests. So this is a bit of a redemption test.

(14:51):
And of course Tim Soudy's last test at.

Speaker 8 (14:53):
Home and we would have always seen this series against
England is the one that the black Caps would be
more likely to win, right, Yeah, yeah, a tough team
to play against under the control of McCullum and Ben Stokes,
but still at home, he backed the black Caps to
beat England a million times more than you would to
beat them in a series in India. However, things have
gone askew the last couple of games, Big Game in Hamilton,

(15:16):
primarily I think for a face saving exercise after getting
well beaten in the first two matches, but also for
Tim Soudy. Look, look, there's been a lot of conjecture
about whether Saudi should even play in this game because
it was form. He's not, he's not creating the opportunities
with the ball that he used to His form in
the last six twelve months has been waning. But there's

(15:39):
no doubt about it that he's been one of our greats.
I mean, second only to Sir Richard had me on
the test list. I'll never forget one thing sticks it
in my mind with Saudy, apart from his batting, which
which was always hit and miss, but you always sat
on the edge of your seat when he walked out
to the crease.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
His bowling, though, I.

Speaker 8 (15:56):
Think it was a bowling spell in the World Cup
game in Wellington, the One Day World Cup that was
the tournament was held here in and I think it
was against England. I might have been the West Indies
at the Wellington Stadium and he had the ball on
the string and he was swinging it left right and sunder,

(16:17):
he was seeming it and he got four or five
wickets at least I think. I think it was the
game that Martin Gupp have got a double time. And
I'll never forget how these performance in that game. He
was on fire and then his combination with with Trent
Bolt was superb to watch as well at his peak,
very very good opening bowler. And he'll be remembered no

(16:38):
matter what happens in this game at Hamilton. I hope
he gets a good send off. He were remended as
as a great that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
The tale is a bit of a bit sort of miserable.
That's the last taste of the summer, isn't it. Yeah,
But for those of us absolutely you know Test cricket
traje eggs.

Speaker 8 (16:54):
Yeah yeah, normally you'd you do a weight with anticipation
for a limited overs series in jan feb and then
February March another Test series. So yeah, it's just one
of those scheduling issues. And as we know, Jack that
the Test series and Test matches are becoming few and
far between for a lot of the countries below Australia,

(17:17):
England and India. Yeah, so I suppose we take what
we can get.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, a bit of a shame though. Way, Hey, what
did you make of that incredible Juan Soto.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Deal?

Speaker 8 (17:31):
Before this contract was signed? Had you ever heard of
Juan Sopo? I?

Speaker 2 (17:35):
You know, I think I had, But but if you'd
walk past me in the street, I wouldn't have recognized him.
Put it that way, I.

Speaker 8 (17:42):
Think, given you've been in the States recently, you probably
would have. The Yankees did okay this season, they did okay,
and he was playing for the New Yankees. He's now
crossed the river and he's gone to the New York Mets, which,
as you'd know, I sort of always been the poor cousin.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Oh yeah, it's a hell of a move. Yeah yeah, of.

Speaker 8 (18:02):
The New York Yankees. But his salary will will help
heal any disappointment that he might have in the coming
years if they don't win the World Series. One point
three billion over fifteen years, he gets a signing bonus
of seventy five mil. It's eighty eight million a year.
It's around one and a half million a week, two

(18:24):
hundred and forty five thousand dollars a day.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
That's just unbeliveable, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (18:31):
And that's without bonuses. And that's for swinging a baseball bat.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's just I mean, and so presumably the
bonus's performance based, right, So yeah, so k Kent, I'm
always fascinated with these deals, like if they perform really badly,
if they just like can't even hold their place in
the in the team and that kind of thing, do
they still get paid?

Speaker 8 (18:50):
I think those figures, those figures are pretty much guaranteed money.
I think there's an outclause after four or five years.
He won't play for the Mets for fifteen years. No, no, no,
that's for sure. Yeah. But if it's on offer, and
it was the sort of money was an offer from
three or four different teams New York Yankees, you take
it right, yeah, and all the other The amazing thing

(19:13):
is he gets a luxury suite for his family and
makes every home game. He gets security, he gets twenty
four our security.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
For his family the number.

Speaker 8 (19:24):
He does have to spend a little bit of money though,
because apparently he's taken over number twenty two, right, and
so the Mets had all this merchandise from the previous
season and next with the player who previously wore number
twenty two one, Soto has to spend some of his
millions buying that merchandise and getting rid of it before

(19:45):
the thing and his own merchandise. So he hasn't got
away entirely scot free. But what a deal.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, yeah, and to think we chose broadcasting and seed
sev maybere you go.

Speaker 8 (19:55):
Thanks, close your eyes, Jack, and swing for the fences.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Exactly, exactly well said, all right, Christmas to you, Merry Christmas. Yeah,
and we will look forward to catching up again in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 8 (20:06):
Thanks for your handwritten Christmas card, is thro It's the
only thing I get for Christmas days, so I always
look forward to.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
It times a lean in our game, you know that. Yeah,
all right, we will catch again very very soon, saf
Thank you. Andrew Savilasporto there right now it is twenty
eight minutes to ten on News Talks b before ten o'clock.
Our cooked with her top tips on nailing your Christmas
Turkey news talks. He'd be you were Jack Tame this

(20:51):
Saturday morning. Thank you very much for your messages. Arnaquette
has slipped me an email this morning to say good morning, Jack.
Your story about the wallstickers has hit a bit of
a raw nerve in. We had a similar experience trying
to put stickers up in our bedroom ended up with
a day of silent treatment for all involved. Idea say
no more, Jack O heck hanging decourse an absolute nightmare

(21:15):
as you described. To be honest, I think wallpaper is
much much easier. You and your wife both need to
diary to write down your experiences. I'm not sure we're
going to write down that one. Thanks Clear, but yeah
ninety two ninety two if you want to send us
a text like Clear did, or jacketewstik saidb dot co
dot nz like Anika's email. They are time to catch
up with our film review of Francesca Rudkin, who is
with us this morning, killed her Good morning. Okay, two

(21:38):
cracking films for us this morning, and let's start off
with a little bit of a listen to the latest
from the King of Christmas movies, Richard Curtis, This tis good.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
A tale of one of the most challenging dates of
my long career.

Speaker 9 (21:51):
Chance you won't get all those sacks down the chimney
and Walcot.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Christmas was knocking on Wellington's front door, and.

Speaker 10 (22:05):
Here are our unfortunate heros.

Speaker 11 (22:11):
By the datte You're in charge, Yes, eighty Cafrey.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Hourisa, Okay, that's that Christmas and it's on Netflix. Tell
us about a Francisca it is.

Speaker 12 (22:21):
I thought, I really thought I should cover off a
Christmas film, And I would like to thank actually a
Saturday Morning listener Linda last week who suggested that I
take a look at this film, and I really love.
When my kids were growing up, one of our favorite
animations was a film called Arthur Christmas, and this is
sort of it sort of fits into the same kind
of category. It's got lots of heart, it's got all
these gorgeous characters and sort of individual storylines which are

(22:42):
really fabulous. But it's got some humor as well. But
it's also got it doesn't kind of ignore the reality
of Christmas for so many different families and things. As
you mentioned, it is based on the Charming trilogy of
children's books by Richard Curtis. So a lot of people
at this time of the year might be watching Love
actually for the twentieth time. But if you've got if

(23:05):
you've got some younger kids and you want to find
a new Richard Curtis favorite, you might want to try
this one out. Santa does feature in this film very much.
At the start, he is having one of the worst Christmas,
is one of the worst nights he's ever had, terrible storms,
and there's a lot of dramas and issues in a
little place in the UK, a fictitious place called Wellington
on the Sea. So he returns there to leave some presents,

(23:29):
but then it really becomes about that little community and
the locals and as I mentioned, the children that sort
of have different storylines and things. Lots of fun. Great cast.
Brian Cox, Fiona Shaw, Jodie Whittaker, Brys Derby also turns up.
You'll hear that voice and go, I know exactly who
that is, Bill Nahi. So it's got a really great

(23:50):
cast and the animation I thought was probably could have
been a a little bit better, a.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Little bit slicker, and it's a little bit more.

Speaker 12 (23:59):
Thought gone into the actual animation of it. But look
at his lovely and charming and pleasant and if you'd
like a Christmas story that isn't just about romance or
the romantic comedy, but it's got a little bit of everything.
You got center, but individual stories everybody that Now, Linda
was right, it's.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
A very good choice.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Okay, very good. Nice that is that Christmas. So that
is streaming on Netflix. Now, next up, let's have a
listen to Better Man. I'm Robbie Williams.

Speaker 9 (24:28):
I'm one of the biggest pop stars in the world.
This is my story, but I'm not going to tell
it in an ordinary way because I don't see myself
help others seeming in the.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Next two hours. You're use it's right.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
To be honest. I've always been a little less evolved
on a rag. So let's take it from the top,
shall we. Now, the thing to know about this film,
which I've only learned this morning, is that that isn't
quite Robbie Williams as we've seen him before, right, No,
so this is.

Speaker 12 (25:04):
The gimmick of the film. Okay, So this is based
on the true story of the crazy rise to favor
Robbie Williams, who was a teenager when he was selected
to be part of the manufactured band to take that
and it also chronicles his very dramatic fall from grace
at only age twenty one, when he was a raging
alcoholic and coke addict his words, and then of course

(25:26):
it sort of follows his resurgence, his determination to prove
that he had what it takes to be one of
the biggest pop stars in the world. And as you mentioned,
there is a little bit of a gimmick behind this film,
which is the work of Michael Gracie who brought us
The Greatest Showman and they sat down. He recorded heaps
of He recorded basically Robbi Williams telling him his story

(25:49):
and he's turned it into this film. Robin narrates it,
but a very talented actor will plays him.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
JOHNA.

Speaker 12 (25:57):
Davis plays him. But he is represented as a monkey
throughout the film because he felt like from a young
age he was a performing monkey. He was told to
this is that where they say this, you know, yeah,
And at the same time he felt like his whole
life has been in front of the public and everyone's
got their own opinion and ideas of him, and hence
he doesn't see himself with other people. So he is

(26:19):
a very very clever, wetted digital CGI monkey throughout it.
So this guy John o'davies.

Speaker 11 (26:27):
Plays him, plays him beautifully.

Speaker 12 (26:29):
You can just see so much of Robbie Williams and
his actions and his eyes and everything, but he's actually
a monkey.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Now.

Speaker 12 (26:35):
I wasn't sure that this was going to work. I
was a bit like, m hm, see how this goes.
This is interesting, But it's fantastic. It is a blast.
I laughed, I cried. I know the Robbie Williams story,
but him being so open and honest and sharing it
with us and with his wit and his charm that
only Robbie has this charisma.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
It really does work. It is a blast.

Speaker 12 (26:59):
There was a point in my life where I did
not want to hear the song Angels ever again.

Speaker 11 (27:04):
Everybody played every wedding everywhere you went.

Speaker 12 (27:09):
And I sat there in the theater singing every word.

Speaker 11 (27:12):
Like you just get caught up.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
They use as music as well, so it's.

Speaker 12 (27:16):
A bit musical, it's a biopic, it's a bit musical.
It's just a blast. And I'm very excited to say
that Robbie Williams is actually joining me on the Sunday
session tomorrow after ten am.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Robbie Williams.

Speaker 12 (27:29):
They Robbie Williams is going to be with me.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
To Robbie Williams, Yeah, are you going to play Angels?

Speaker 10 (27:34):
You know what?

Speaker 12 (27:35):
I just might and I'll probably sit the studio and
sing every word. No, I was really surprised. I was
really taking back and how much I love this. This
isn't out until December the twenty sixth, but if you
are looking, if it's a bit too hot, or if
it's raining wherever you are and you need to retreat
to a cinema, definitely put this on your list of
films to see in the holidays. And you must listen
to Robbie tomorrow at teen. He is just so great.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
I had to be honest with you.

Speaker 12 (27:58):
I've become a bit of a fan. It's taken many years,
but I'm a bit of a fan.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Francisca sounds it sounds wonderful, Okay, I'm I'm really excited
by that, so that the film is better man like
you say. It comes out in cinemas on Boxing Day,
December twenty six and Francisca's first film was That Christmas
that's streaming on Netflix now. Thank you so much, Francisca.
Cannot wait for ten o'clock tomorrow morning your feature with
Robbie Williams, and we will catch again very soon.

Speaker 11 (28:24):
Thanks Jack.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
All right, all the details for those films will be
up on the news talks he'd b website as well.
You can go to news Talks hedb dot co dot
nz at Ford slash Jack and we put everything from
the show right up there just as soon as it's
been on the radio. If you aren't looking like you're
going to be getting off the couch anytime soon, and
you've already watched that Christmas After ten this morning, we're

(28:45):
going to have our screen time Picks for this week.
This is where we give you recommendations for all our
favorite TV shows for watching or streaming at home. We've
got a cracking new show involving Elton John. It's kind
of a documentary series in which he is looking back
and reflecting on his life. He's quite introspective. So I'm
going to give you a few more details about that
very shortly. Right now though it is seventeen and it's

(29:06):
to ten. Our Cook's top Turkey Tips for you next.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay keeping the conversation going through
the weekend with Bpure dot cot dot insead for high
quality supplements US Talk.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Sad B caught it to ten on news Talks head
V time to catch up with our cook Niki Wiks
for one of her most important segments of the whole year.
Good morning, Nikki, Good morning.

Speaker 11 (29:30):
It's sort of is, isn't it?

Speaker 7 (29:32):
It is?

Speaker 12 (29:33):
This is key.

Speaker 11 (29:34):
This is you know, we don't get this right.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
So are you just to be totally clear, are you
a turkey person? Because I realize that not everyone is.

Speaker 11 (29:40):
I am a turkey person, and I'm one of about
two hundred thousand households in New Zealand at Christmas time?
Who are Turkey people? What I'd have to say is
we often start off our Christmas menu discussions in our
family with oh, let's not do the turkey and all
the bit We always end up back at the turkey.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Yeah, are you?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
I'm a massive turkey person, Amurrican turkey is a well.
The thing with your turkey is that a really good
turkey is almost impossible to beat. But a bad turkey
is not great. You know, it's prey rough.

Speaker 11 (30:16):
It's pretty rough to fight.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Just to look, especially it's dry. Like the moisture I
feel like the moisture and turkey. Sorry, I feel really
strongly that the moisture in turkey is like it's maybe
more critical than almost any other meat except fish. You know,
like if it's dry, it's just.

Speaker 11 (30:35):
It's almost impossible. You end up chewing on this kind
of cud, don't you. Yeah, that never seems to go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
You know, it is turkey jerky.

Speaker 9 (30:45):
I like it all.

Speaker 11 (30:46):
You've started something there, I love it. I'm with you.
So if you can get it right. There's no flavor
like turkey. There was no flavor. I just this this week,
I made some little turkey pies for our local indoor
bowling club because it was their Christmas dinner and I
always cater for it just for fun. And what I

(31:06):
did was I went to a place where you could
buy just the turkey wings, and I bought packets of
turkey wings and they were the best. I'd already bought
my big turkey. I rather thought, gosh, these would be
going AND's only twelve were these indoor bowlers, So I
just wanted a short small amount. Braised them and then
took the cover off and roasted them, got some color

(31:29):
on them, and stripped them off. Oh, because the turkey
wings are fantastic. They're full of fat, they're you know,
they're great, and they were really good. So if you're
having a slightly smaller Christmas gathering this year, I would
recommend this.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Don't do the whole bird.

Speaker 11 (31:43):
Don't do the whole bird. But anyway, here's what to
do if you have got the whole bird, as I
have and as your family will have, how to keep
the darn thing from drying out. This is my top tip.
This is the first of my top tips. I stuffed
stuff under the skin of the breast. Okay, because that's
the bit that dries out. The legs, the thighs, that's
all fine. They take a lot longer to This is

(32:06):
the trick who butter Maybe put some chopped spinach in there,
because spinach, raw spinach, it has lots of water in it,
which is great. It then you know, melds into that
breast point.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, of course, Yeah, sausage some people go for.

Speaker 11 (32:19):
Some people laid bacon over the top. Mum used to
do a little bit of butter pape over the top,
so things like that. Stuff something under the breast or
over top of it, and that'll keep it. Consider cooking
it in a large oven bag. I did this once
for a cooking a food shoot many years ago for
this weekly. The whole thing was so tender that it
all collapsed. It was terrible to shoot. We had to

(32:40):
sort of put it together like we were allthopedic surgeons.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Here's the thing, this is what we do in the
tame household. And when I say, well, of course, it's
my beloved mum. No, she's absolutely swears by using a
large oven bag and it's so moist as a result.

Speaker 11 (32:56):
Nothing bad can happen in that bag.

Speaker 13 (32:59):
So do that.

Speaker 11 (33:00):
I think that's good. Also, when you bring the turkey
out to rest it, rest it on its breast, so
flip it up. We often we often have it breasted up,
you know, because that's the way was of course to
rest it and all the juices run into the white meat,
which is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Just flip it round so.

Speaker 11 (33:19):
It's got back up top, breast down, and then when
you can serve it, you can turn it up. But
once while it's resting, do that. People also talk about brining.
I've never had much successful it, mostly because turkeys are
large birds to wrangle, and so you've got to essentially
put them on a really large container to brine it whole,
and then that container needs to go into a large fridge. Well, hello,
unless you've got a chiller for me. So those other

(33:41):
tips will keep it from drying out. Stuffing Jack, you've
got your bread crumb based one with herbs and onions,
et cetera in there. What I want to tell people
is make sure that you soak the crumbs in milk
for a start off. Because bread crumbs either fresh. You
always be using fresh bread crumbs. But what they do is,
if you think about it, they want to schloop up juices,

(34:02):
which is good, but it can make it dry out
as well because it slooping up juices from your turkey.
So soak those bread crumbs that you're going to use
for your stuffing in some milk first. You just need
to just cover them in milk and they'll and then
they'll swell up and they'll be nice and moist. You
can use sausage or other ground meat is really great.
You could use rice and mushrooms, that kind of ChIL

(34:23):
eat so and corn bread. I have had that before.
I've done that before, but I've had to buy the
corn make the corn bread first, and that's a pain,
but that's quite nice. And then I also consider a
punch of kind of sweetness like a currant or some
cranberries or maybe some chopped up apple in that stuffing,
which is great gravy. I mean, you want to when
you are rosy bird, you want to make sure that

(34:45):
you put some chopped onions in there. Turkey cooks for
a long time, so you can just have or quarter
the onions because they're going to give you some really
great flavor with some with some of those scrapings from
the pan. That is the only drawback of using a
bag jack. And I don't know what your mum does,
but you don't get any of those. You get lots
of juice in the bag, which you can use for
the gravy, but you don't get any of those gnarally

(35:07):
kind of caramelized bits of the roasting dish.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
True, So you know, so that's the.

Speaker 11 (35:11):
Only drawback you can get around that.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
True.

Speaker 11 (35:14):
I use caught of a cup of plain flour and
the roasting dish. I mix that to a bit of
a paste with all those pans scrapings always add a
splash of wine or bubbles, because it just tastes good.
It's a sort of mysterious flavor. Even if you've got
people who are non non alcohol drinkers, you've got to
put that off. It's fine, you know, it cooks off.
All the alcohol cooks off in about a minute. Then
add some stock or some veggie water from them new

(35:36):
potatoes and the peas or something, or even some plain
water and some seasoning, and then you want to really
cook that out well for sort of five to six
to you know, get a nice dark lumfrey gravy leftovers.
That's what I love about a turkey make a pie
because suddenly that breast meat is surrounded by beautiful kind
of white white sauce or not quite a white sauce,

(35:57):
but you know that well wine saw the gravy, you know,
kind of just beef up the gravy a bit. I
also love frying the turkey meat in a pan jack
until with a bit of a drizzle of pomegranate molasses,
so slightly crispy at the on the edges, and then
scattered that, you know over some lessus little baby spinach
leaves or what what's wrong with just a white, soft,

(36:20):
white roll stuffed with warm the role.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, with lettuce, warms.

Speaker 11 (36:26):
Turkey and some leftover gravy. There is nothing like it.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Can I just add to that a little bit of
cranberry sauce and maybe a sliver of brie and.

Speaker 11 (36:35):
From Christ of course you're going to bree and the cranberry.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
That's so good. Ah Man, I'm celibating.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Isn't it.

Speaker 11 (36:43):
I don't mean so. I mean to How excited are we?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (36:46):
You know you can have your hands. I glazed your
ham on Instagram of course.

Speaker 14 (36:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (36:51):
I should wear my togs more often than those videos
through the roof. And you can have all your fancy
other stuff we'll have. We'll be having non traditional stuff
on our table too, but I think you've got to
have something a little bit.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
I totally agree. Look, we're going to put all of
those tips for nailing your Christmas turkey up on the
Newstalks ZB website. Thank you so much for everything this year, Nicky,
and we will catch you again in twenty twenty five.
NICKI wicks cook there right now it is seven minutes
to ten. You were Jacktame on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
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Speaker 2 (37:26):
EDB, News Talks VB. Thank you very much for your
messages throughout this morning, Jack says Megan, I laughed out
loud listening to your story about the wallstickers this morning.
Wallstickers are, as you say, very controversial. We tried them once,
gave up halfway through. The problem we had was that
the sticker kept on folding over on itself and then
sticking to itself. Honestly, that is one of the big

(37:49):
issues I think with the wallsticker. The thing about a
sticker is that it's very sticky. It's the downside to
a sticker. In caess you're not familiar. There is a
clue in the name, and so when you're peeling them
off and trying to stick them to the wall, you
have to create a little bit of space and inevitably, yeah,
you can have some issues where the sticker goes back
and sticks to itself or sticks to one of the
other stickers that you're waiting to stick to the wall.

(38:10):
It's a nightmare. Would not recommend, however, speaking of recommendations, Son,
just flick us one for cooking turkey. Jack a tip
here for cooking turkey in the bag. I snipped the
bag towards the end of cooking, and then cook off
the juices. Once you've removed the turkey, you can whip
up the temperature until the juice is brown and then
that forms the basis of your gravy. Very good, Thank

(38:31):
you son. Your ninety two ninety two is the text
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ten o'clock cannot wait for this. Our feature interview this
morning is Dave Gibson, the lead singer of Alimentop. It
is now more than twenty years since they had their
breakthrough smash three times platinum top of the charts with
Love and Disrespect. They've released three albums in the years since,
and they have become a firm favorite of the Kiwi

(38:53):
Summer Day lives in New York these days. He's made
his way back to New Zealand ahead of the summer
festival circuit. He's with us since studio. After the news,
it's almost ten o'clock, you're with new sog zedb.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
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Speaker 15 (39:17):
They say that absence makes the heart well ponder bird,
I doubt it.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
I rarely doubt that.

Speaker 15 (39:25):
Play am pink punk over osans, messinge with emotions, messing with.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
My head, mass and wear my head erupted onto the
New Zealand music scene in the early aughts. They made
waves with their pop rocks, sing along anthems like this
One Fast Times in Tahoe, songs like Verona, every Day

(39:53):
is a Saturday, and they remain one of New Zealand's
biggest selling rock acts of all time, having played in
pretty much every single venue across the country at least
two or three times. This summer, Alamo pre back together,
back performing live. They're taking on rhythm and alps in
Warnica and key we rock icon Dave Gibson is with

(40:15):
me this morning. The lead singer of element Ope held.

Speaker 15 (40:17):
A good morning, good morning, Jacket's good to see you.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
It's great to see you in the flesh. You are
back from New York places at the moment. Okay, I'm
gonna ask you about that in a minute. I just
want to start off with a very basic question, given
you are in New York and I know the band
is kind of spread around the place a little bit.
How does Elemento Pe work these days?

Speaker 15 (40:35):
How does it work?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (40:36):
Well, you know, we just put out the bat signal
when we you know, there was there was a desire
and the need for an element of Pe rock and
roll show. And then we all congregate, you know, in
our headquarters, which is located in the Elemento Pe Cave
in Kingsland, and you know, we get get the whole

(40:58):
band back together, and you know, we do a few rehearsals.
We sound like a terrible element and Pe covers band
for about the first two and then by the three,
you know, it just seems to come back.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Is that like?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Literally it? You guys just like you're seen out a
group message or whatever and you're like, yo, dude, I's
want to do some summer show.

Speaker 15 (41:14):
Yeah've got a WhatsApp group, you know, We've got a
WhatsApp group that just we keep in touch, you know,
even when we're not doing shows, because we quite like
each other.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
It feels like the summer shows thing has become al
Aminop's kind of modus operandi.

Speaker 15 (41:28):
Yes, that's yeah, fear to say, probably every couple of years,
we you know, we you know, jump back on the horse. Yeah,
and we just really we just really love each other
and we love playing and we feel very grateful that
there is still people want to come and see us play.
So we feel very lucky all these years later.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Okay, so I'm not going to put any ages on
anything right now, but it occurs to me that I
think it's twenty one.

Speaker 15 (41:53):
Years since you guys, Yeah, at least that sounds about right, right. Yeah,
so twenty one years, we have a twenty one year old, like,
you know, like a like a fully grown human.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
So do you feel nostalgic and do you think audiences
feel nostalgic? Like what role does nostalgia play and nostalgia?

Speaker 15 (42:11):
Yeah, nostalgia is deep deep. We think we thank the
Good Lord for nostalgia, you know, because it enables us
to keep on doing what we do. And yeah, I
feel nostalgia and emotional when I play some of these
songs and just really grateful, really thankful that they've got
an audience all these years later, Like, you know, twenty

(42:32):
years later I wrote some of these songs when I
was a kid, you know, and so it's crazy to
be still singing them when I'm clearly not a kid.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Oh come on, but I'm younger. Well, the thing is, okay,
I'm speaking from personal experience here, like elementop was the
sound of my formative years at high school, right, like
the sound.

Speaker 15 (42:52):
I remember, I remember you interviewing us in the early
days and.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Way way back in the day, right, And it's it's
a curious kind of mentally exercise to imagine if Elementope
could exist in the same way to I reckon, because
and here's my theory, I reckon rock music has like
is massively diminished in terms of music consumption compared to

(43:17):
where it used to be. Am, I do you think
that's fair.

Speaker 15 (43:20):
I've got an interesting take on this, Jack, and I'm
glad you brought it up one hundred percent. We could
exist today and we would be Chapel Roone like I
love right, I love that music. Now, obviously I might
have to get Lannie to take of a singing duties,
but because she could do a fantastic job at that.
But in the dna of someone like Chapel Roone, yes,

(43:43):
and Olivia Rodrigo, you can hear that. We just love
that type of crap. So, like, I'm not even calling
it crapscuse my language.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
You just mean you love that, Like, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 15 (43:53):
Yeah, And that is the client of music that we
would be making if ALEMP started in twenty twenty four,
I would. I know, it's a big call. I mean,
the two of the biggest artists in the entire planet.
But idea, you go have a listen, you know, yeah,
and you know, there is a lot of similarities in
my humble opinion, So so.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Talk to us about the similarities. How do you see
where's the where's the musical three? Just do you mean
in like the and the structure of H O.

Speaker 15 (44:19):
T T O to go right, Like listen to Ohio
and the Bridge of Ohio when we do the American chart,
where we got you know, V to the E to
the T to the old is how we're goals. We
got guns, we got cash, and we're going to make
you dance, you know, like I mean we were, I mean,
we just loved that type of stuff and we were

(44:40):
unashamedly pop in a time where actually pop music wasn't
actually it wasn't cool to like pop. Yeah, you know
in the early two thousands as much as it is now.
Now it's really accepted you can you can love pop
music and also like indie music, you know, and like
hip hop. You know, there's these are flu of the
times we live in Jack.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
I actually think I think you were like you were
you are, I should say, like very very much a
pioneer in terms of bucking some of those trends at
the time. And another way in which you did it,
and I'm sure this has been raced with you before
is you were the first New Zealand artist I ever

(45:18):
heard singing with a New Zealand accent. Oh really okay
and embracing a New Zealand accent.

Speaker 15 (45:23):
I've managed the hold on to it, I think you have.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Despite your despite your many years in New York, because
especially with the kind of pop punk influence of men time, Yeah,
you know, the likes of some forty ones and one
eight two's and that kind of stuff. Right, it was
very much like I took her outd It was a
Friday night, you know, that kind of that that kind
of accent, and I remember listening to you and thinking,

(45:46):
man Davis just embracing his key witness here and it
was so refreshing.

Speaker 15 (45:50):
Yeah, I mean, thanks, but also it was it was like,
you know, it was it was a necessity for me
because I wasn't like and I aren't a tradition traditional singer.
I kind of I love melodies and I very much
I feel like I think in but I can't sing
like a normal singer would, and so I had to

(46:11):
just find this way, which is very much almost a
talking kind of type of singing, you know, you know,
and hence it has come out how I talk, I think,
which is pretty ki.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
We tell me about New York. You've been there twelve years,
I have what do you love about?

Speaker 4 (46:30):
Love it?

Speaker 15 (46:31):
It's exciting city, you know, it's energetic, you know, but
it's also got a lot of good community. You know,
we had some really great times. He had Jack together
when you lived there. You know, it's just neighborly. And
I've gone through different phases of life. There been in
rock and roll bands over there, just been you know,
you know, care free and just had lots of time

(46:52):
on my hands. And now I'm a parent over there.
I've got two beautiful children in it. It's awesome and
there's there's a great New York city can sustain all
the different phases of life, and I dig it and
it's very convenient. But I love New Zealand and I
get to come back here all the time, so you know,
it's good.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
So, as someone with young kids, what's it like comparing
your childhood here with your kid's life in Brooklyn.

Speaker 15 (47:14):
Yeah, well, it's definitely it's definitely different. It's opposite. It's
real funny because my kid day park and my oldest was,
you know, I was saying. I was explained to him
that people really like coming to New York and it's like,
why it's so dirty, Like he just could of couldn't
understand that people would travel to New York as a

(47:34):
tourist destination because he's just like, so, it's so dirty
and there's rats every where. Like I'm like this, that
is true, but you know, it's got a few other
things going for it, so which you'll probably start to
really appreciate as you get older.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
It's funny you mentioned that the first time I went
to New York with my now wife, it was the
first time she'd ever been in the city, and the
things she wanted to see more than anything was a rat. Yeah, well,
seeing a rat crawling on the subway lines, was like
that was the that was the New York She kind
of yeah, that there's a lot of them. What's it
like from a creative perspective being in that.

Speaker 15 (48:06):
Environment, Yeah, fantastic, Like I still go see a lot
of bands. There's you know, New York City has got
a really great, like tiered system of venues that lead
all the way up to Madison Square Garden and the
really big famous places. And so if you're touring, if
you're a musician in New York City, there's a really

(48:27):
good kind of infrastructure to start tiny at Pete's Candy Stores,
like yeah, fifteen, you know, it's packed that fifteen people,
you know, and then you just work, you work your
way up you know, Rockwood Music Hall, you know, Mercury Lounge,
Bowery Ballroom, you know, you know, bit by bit, you know,
it's it's a fantastic and you just play a lot,

(48:48):
you know, and so the scene is very very vibrant.
And Babies all Right is a place I go do
all the time in Williamsburg and see fantastic bands and
bands that have broken huge you know, like you know,
Juwe Lipa would play players play shows there. Yeah, yeah,
a lot of you know, a lot of really great bands.

(49:11):
Bo Daig is a really fantastic rock and roll band
that people should check out. They're starting to get some
heat in the UK, which is we're all the cool
bands start to your heat, you know on BBC Radio
six year say I'm not sure if you guys are
like competing or whatever.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I think we can accept that.

Speaker 15 (49:27):
Yeah, but yeah, yeah, as credibly it's interesting and there's
the arts and blah blah blah. But New Zealand's fantastic too,
and there's a great scene happening here Vera Allen do
you know have you listened to her? Fantastic? I'm a
big big fan.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Oh nice. Well you're back for a little bit of time.
You're here for the Kiwi summer. Do you think do
I ask you're ever gonna be back permanently or yeah?

Speaker 15 (49:48):
One, no, just you know, just it's perpetually a couple
of years away.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Yeah, nice? Tell us about the show. Then you're playing
with them and Alps.

Speaker 15 (49:55):
New Year's Eve? Oh yeah, apprecire, yeah, no pressure.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
It'd be so much fun. Have you been the Moles before?

Speaker 15 (50:01):
I haven't?

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Oh how good?

Speaker 6 (50:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:03):
I mean beautiful part of the country obviously down by Wanaka.
And you tell us about the show. What's a plan.

Speaker 15 (50:08):
Yeah, planners to bring the rock and roll to early
two thousands to mid to late two thousands, Kiwi Magic
to the stage with our friends.

Speaker 16 (50:20):
You know.

Speaker 15 (50:21):
I've I saw Lime Cordial actually in New York. They're
a fantastic band. Yeah, and shape Shifter, you know, Ada Ha.
I'm looking forward to seeing her. I used to work
with her back in the day on Georgia Form. I
don't know if I'm gonna say that, but this is
early two thousands too, so yeah, I'm really excited and
to get to get some of my drum and bass
on Andy c I believe he is playing. Yeah, it's

(50:44):
going to be really fun night. And we're actually going
down the night before, so we're going to be able
to chill and you know, kind of enjoy ourselves as
well as do our job.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah, of course. Hey, thank you so much for giving
us your time. Welcome home, great to have you here,
have a wonderful summer, and all the very best for
Rhythm and Alps.

Speaker 15 (51:01):
Thank you so much, Jack, appreciate your time.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
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News talks 'DB. We're continuing the Christmas preparation theme. Our
Master of Wine has chosen his best buy for Christmas
this week. So he's chosen a bubbly for Christmas that
he reckons represents exceptional value. We will give you the

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details on that very shortly. Plus, we're in the garden.
You've heard of November. What about No Movember No Movember.
The difference between November and No Movember is that No
Movember has a w on the mo. We will explain
all very shortly. Next up your screen time picks for
this week twenty past ten.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
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Speaker 2 (51:53):
Looking pretty good for the game starting on time the
final Test, the third and final Test, the Dead Rubber,
the Tim Suthy farewell for the black Caps versus England
in Hamilton that's said to kick off at eleven o'clock
this morning, So I will make sure one the game begins,
I will give you all the details, let you know
how the black Caps are fearing. Right now, it is
twenty two minutes past ten on New Storks he'd b

(52:13):
and Tara Ward is here with this week's screen time
picks more than Kyona. Okay, we've got three shows to
tell us about this morning, to recommend this morning. Let's
begin with Fake, which is on three now.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (52:26):
This is a fantastic new psychological thriller and it's one
of those shows that is a real slow burn, but
once it grabs you, it won't let you go. It's
based on a true story and it's an Australian drama
that stars Asher Ketty and she plays a magazine writer
called Bertie. Bertie is almost fifty, she's single, and she
reluctantly tries online dating and meets a farmer or a

(52:49):
grazier as he calls himself, called Joe, who's played by
the wonderful David Wedham. She doesn't like him at first,
but she persuades herself to give things a go, and
Joe is pretty smooth and he offers this lifestyle that
Bertie really wants, but he's obviously hiding something. Bertie just
doesn't know what's what. We're going to see this mystery
unfold as the.

Speaker 11 (53:08):
Show goes on.

Speaker 17 (53:10):
And as I said, I did find this slow to start,
and I wasn't sure if I could stick with it.
But in about forty five minutes into episode one, it
clicks and I think that slower pace of the show
really matches the measured, controlled way that Joe slowly starts
to mess with Bertie's mind. Joe is a romance scammer,
and this shows how smart people can get sucked into

(53:32):
those scams and how when you want something.

Speaker 11 (53:34):
Really badly, you'll ignore all the red flags.

Speaker 17 (53:38):
Asha Kitty, of course she start an offspring. She never
gives a bad performance on TV. And David Wenham is
so good here as well. This is tense and a
bit stressful to.

Speaker 12 (53:47):
Watch, but so so good.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Oh fantastic sounds great. That is fake. That is on
three Now. Next up, a show's streaming on Netflix. Tell
us about No Good Deed.

Speaker 12 (53:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (53:58):
This is a new, dark American comedy that stars Lisa
Kudro and Ray Romano, and it's part comedy, part part mystery.
They play two homeowners, a couple of empty nesters who
trying to sell their beautiful Spanish style house in Los Angeles,
and there are three different couples who will do anything
to buy it in the hope that this house will

(54:20):
solve all of their problems. But what Ray Romano and
Lisa Cudro's characters have to do is hide the bad
history of the house. Something terrible has happened there. There's
a lot of secrets hidden away, and it's that idea
that this dream house might actually be more of a nightmare.
The show has a great ensemble cast. It's a bit
like White Lotus or Knives Out, where every one of

(54:43):
the different storylines is driven by talented actors and all
those storylines are going to cross over at some point.
It's written by the creator of Dead to Me, which
is another great Netflix dark comedy. But I think Lisa
Cudro is.

Speaker 11 (54:57):
The best thing about this She lifts the show.

Speaker 17 (54:59):
The story is a little bit uneven at times, it's
a bit inconsistent, but it's very watchable, very bingeable. The
episode's are only thirty minut long, so there's a great
snappy pace to it as well.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Excellent That's no good deed That's on Netflix and on
Disney Plus Elton John Never Too Late.

Speaker 17 (55:15):
Yeah, if you are an Alton fan or you grew
up with Elton John's music, this new Disney Plus documentary
is a muss watch. I think this is Never too Late.
It's a documentary that looks back on Elton John's life
and career, and it's sort of framed as a chat
between two friends that takes place while Elton is on
his final tour through America in twenty twenty two, So

(55:37):
you know, he's mindful that he's retiring. There's there's no
better time to look back on his life, and he's
called this the definitive documentary of his career. It is
co directed by his husband, David Furnish, and co directed,
co produced by Elton John's own film company, So you
know it's not going to be a really critical expose.
And in a lot of ways, there's nothing really new

(55:58):
here or no sort of shocking unexpected revelations, But I
don't know that that matters. This is a wonderful, sentimental,
thoughtful back at an incredible life.

Speaker 12 (56:08):
It focuses a lot on.

Speaker 17 (56:09):
The nineteen seventies when Elton was the biggest rock star
in the world, and what that rise to fame did
to him. You know, he talks about his addiction issues, you.

Speaker 11 (56:18):
See him chat with his kids today.

Speaker 17 (56:20):
You do see a lot of different sides to him,
but it's just so much good music in this. This
documentary really captures how brilliant Elton John is and it's
such an entertaining watch.

Speaker 12 (56:30):
Great for Christmas as well.

Speaker 17 (56:31):
If you need something that lots of generations, different generations
going to jow together, this is a really good choice.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Is he quite introspective in it?

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Like how is he?

Speaker 2 (56:39):
You know, what's he like in it? Like modern Elton?

Speaker 17 (56:43):
He is quite introspective. It's sort of got a full
circle moment because he's looking back on that nineteen seventy.

Speaker 12 (56:49):
Five Dodgers concert, which.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Is what really explodes moment. Are yeah, right.

Speaker 17 (56:54):
Totally, And that's where he's finishing his tour, So he's
sort of at that full circle moment where he's looking back.
You know, he talks about not being around for his
kids and things like that, so he's kind of a
weird that he's getting older and talks a little about
friendship with John Lennon and just just is very grateful,
I think for all the life that he's lived and

(57:16):
the amazing things that he's done.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Great. Okay, I'm looking forward to watching that. Thank you
so much, Tara. That's a great recommendation. So that's Elton
John Never too Late. That one's on Disney Plus No
Good Deed is the one with Lisa Coudro and Ray
Romana that's streaming on Netflix. And that first one, that
fantastic thriller is called Fake and that is streaming on Three.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
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Speaker 4 (57:52):
You believe you.

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Speaker 2 (58:07):
This is Cool A bit of a different sound. The
artist is Becca Amani so Becker uses music as a
means for finding a home anywhere. She was born in Tanzania,
her family moved to Astraia and her songwriting is very
much influenced by that kind of moving world, from the

(58:27):
music of her family's heritage through the Western pop indie
artists she grew to love in Australia. She has all
of these different kind of influences muy mashed together. She
says that music feels like her destiny and recently she
performed on stage with none other than cold Play. You
might have heard of them during their time during this
part of the world. Anyway, Becka has just released her

(58:48):
debut album after a massive year of build up. Now
Music Review is going to be with us performer day
to day with her thoughts on that. I'm going to
make sure we save a little bit of time at
the end of the show. I always say that and
then I do a very poor job of it. But
I'm going to make sure that I save a bit
of time because I don't know. This is a cool
kind of refreshing sound. Eh, be really good. Listen to
a bit of that before midday to day, before eleven o'clock,

(59:09):
we're in the garden. We're going to explain what No
Movember actually means and how it can benefit things at
your place. Plus, our master of Wine will have his
top Christmas pick for us. Right now, it's twenty eight
to eleven.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Putting the time questions to the newspeakers the mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 18 (59:28):
The Solicitor Generals reissued her controversial prosecution guidelines. These are
the ones that urged prosecutors to think carefully about prosecutions,
especially when a person is marty and joining us now
is the Solicitor General ownerg to goes.

Speaker 15 (59:39):
Do you accept that you made.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
A mistake with those guidelines.

Speaker 19 (59:42):
I wasn't clear what I meant when I referred to
the fact of Marty' disprocaortionate representation in the criminal justice system.

Speaker 16 (59:48):
If you didn't mean that prosecutors were supposed to look
at any of these groups of people, including Marty, and
go a little lighter on them because they're Marty or
any of these other groups, then what did you mean
You were unable to explain that to me.

Speaker 19 (59:58):
I'm absolutely clear that what you were saying is the
very reason that we had to change it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
He the duplessy Ellen on the mic Hosking Breakfast Monday
from six am with the Jaguar f Base on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
HEADB teny five minutes to eleven on news Talks, he'd
b just to keep you up to speed with things
for the black Caps England third Test in Hamilton today
kicking off at eleven o'clock. The English have won the
toss that've put New Zealand into bat and Just so
you know, Mitchell Santner, as expected, as replaced Smith in
the starting lineup. Time to catch up with our Textbert
Paul stenhouses with us this morning. Kilda, Good morning. So

(01:00:34):
General Motors, the massive American auto company, has decided it
is getting out of the self driving taxi business.

Speaker 20 (01:00:42):
Yeah, they're saying it's too competitive, and I think it's
probably also too expensive because they have pumped billions of
dollars into this business and now they're kind of saying
that if you want to take it right to where
it probably needs to go, you need to spend even
more time, even more resources to scale it, and it's
just kind of not worth it. And they've already got

(01:01:02):
people writing these things in Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, and in
the San Francisco Bay area too. But they instead of
going to get the engineering teams jack to focus on
what is known in the industry as L three self
driving technology, which is that sort of semi autonomous kind
of driving right activity, so like at Theosler Basically, Yeah,

(01:01:23):
so if you're at slow speed, so in maybe like
parking lots, you know, getting in and out of type spots,
that type of thing, or on highways, that's considered L three.
So they want your Chevies, they want your Cadillacs to
be able to do that, and that's why they're now
pivoting their resources to go and focus right in on
your everyday kind of personal vehicle, your commercial vehicle, instead

(01:01:44):
of trying to focus on these robotaxis.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
I was in Phoenix a couple of or six weeks
ago or so for in the build ups of the election,
and I saw the robotaxis they were, and they were amazing,
like to that, but it's incredible to I mean, incredible techology.
But it did seem to me to be a bit
of a novelty, do you know. Yeah, from a consumer perspective,
someone needing to ride in a taxi, they cheaper, was

(01:02:07):
it like than having a human being? Yeah, uddly enough.

Speaker 20 (01:02:11):
I don't actually think they were, yeah, because I imagine
they're trying to recoup their costs of the like they
bought this company for a billion dollars. I think it
was maybe close to ten years ago, maybe not even
if I'm trying to remember correctly, but they said they've
spent like ten billion.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Dollars pumping money into this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
My goodness, so it's not.

Speaker 20 (01:02:31):
Yeah, it's probably actually cheaper just to have a human
behind the wheel at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah, yeah, I suppose so okay. Very interesting. Now TikTok
is supposed to be taken away from Google and Apple
in the US from next month, right January nineteenth. I
think it is what's going to happen. I know the
countdown is on.

Speaker 20 (01:02:49):
Well, the lawmakers who are on the China Committee have
basically said to Apple and to Google, get ready because
it's coming. They wrote to their CEOs and said, you
need to be ready to remove TikTok from the app stores.
And I did wonder what else will kind of happen
when this band takes place. Are we going to see
a China Great Firewall type scenario?

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
No, we're not.

Speaker 20 (01:03:11):
If you already have the app downloaded, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Okay kind of okay.

Speaker 20 (01:03:15):
It's not going to have to be removed from your phone, right.
There's not going to be some like script the Apple
or Google runs that will pull.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
It off your device.

Speaker 20 (01:03:24):
It will continue to work, but I mean, TikTok is
banned under this from providing ongoing support and maintenance, so
eventually it's going to stop working. The only thing that
is going to stop this now between now and jen
nineteen is either if the Supreme Court takes it up
and weighs in and acts in favor of TikTok, or

(01:03:44):
if President Biden or Trump grants a ninety day extension
to allow them to actually sell this because at the
moment I say that they're not going to, TikTok is
still branding itself. And I thought this was interesting in
their latest release, one of the nation's most popular speech platforms.

Speaker 11 (01:04:02):
Do you have a feeling they're going to argue.

Speaker 20 (01:04:03):
With Supreme Court that there are the free speeches here?

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Ye?

Speaker 20 (01:04:07):
Seventy million monthly users in the United States, So this
is this is a large app and people are going
to feel this if their beloved TikTok goes away.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Yeah, that's that's that's gonna be fascinating to watch it.
It feels like the sort of thing that's going to
go right to the line as well. Right, if it's
on January nineteenth, it's going to be January eighteenth, eleven
fifty nine pm when all of a sudden, some decision
is made and we all have.

Speaker 11 (01:04:29):
What Mark Zuckerberg buys it for.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah you think, Yeah, Hey, Paul, while I've got you,
did you see that news out of Google this week
with their Willow chip.

Speaker 20 (01:04:39):
I almost wanted to talk about it because that I
almost didn't talk about it because the number that I
saw that Google had put how fast their quantum computing
can now do the same task of today, had so
many zeros Jack, I didn't even know how to pronounce it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Well, it sounded like it was a number so large
that I thought this could just be a made up number, right,
And it's so just to give people some context here,
I'm glad that you need it out on it as well,
because I've been trying. I've been trying to talk to
people about it, and no one seems that engage, and
I just think it's the most interesting thing. So basically
there's the other reason why I didn't bring it up.
Did you see the Google chip? And he was like,

(01:05:16):
come on, we've got more important things right now. Anyway,
they've got this new computer chip that is a quantum
computing chip that takes five minutes to solve a problem
that would currently take the world's fastest supercomputer ten septillion
years to compete. So that's anyone understood. Eighteen, I'm just

(01:05:40):
kidding them now twenty one, it's ten. It's ten with
twenty four zeros after it. Yeah, that would take it
that many years in five minutes.

Speaker 20 (01:05:49):
We struggle to go from like a million dollars to
ten million dollars in our minds, yeah, one hundred million
to a billion, and now we're up to what twenty
four zeros.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
It's ridiculous. But apparently to make it work, they've got
to have this supercomputer, this this quantum computer where they
have to I didn't realize this. They have to chill
the heart of the computer to something like minus four
hundred and fifty degrees celsius in order to make this work.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
Have you seen it.

Speaker 20 (01:06:12):
It's got like all these wires and stuff hanging out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yeah, it looks I mean, you expect a few wires,
wouldn't you. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:06:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Anyway, I'm glad that you ned it out on that
as well, because I was just fascinated by that when
I saw what they're achieving with it. So watch the space,
I suppose. Thank you so much, Paul. We will catch
you again very soon. That is our textbook port and
fellow nerd Paul Stenhouse with us this morning. Right now
it is nineteen to eleven, our Master of Wine with
his top Christmas buy for us.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
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Seventeen to ten to eleven rather on new Stalks V
and Bob Campbell, our Master of Wine, has chosen his
best buy for us this week and it is his
best buy for the silly season for Christmas, and so
naturally he's chosen abubbly for us this morning. It is
the number one family kuve Assemblage Couve Marlborough Method Traditional
for thirty six dollars. Call Bob, good morning, Good morning Jack.

(01:07:11):
So why did you go for this?

Speaker 14 (01:07:14):
Well, it's it's a special wine to celebrate Christmas, a
special wine of the year, of course, and French winemaker
Daniel Lebrun and his family pioneered method wine making in
Marlborough and they've they've made some of New Zealand's very,
very best ferment of sparkling wines. Always always the Kiwi wines,

(01:07:34):
essentially Kiwi wines, but they always to me have a
French slight French accent. Anyway, it's a blend of three
great varieties pino nois, Chardonnay and pino muner, which is
unusual in New Zealand, but they're all permitted in the
Champagne region of France. It's been sellard for three to
five years, so it's got a little bit of a

(01:07:55):
little bit of bottle age there. And this is truly
a stylish sparkler that offers really great value at the price.
Why is it the perfect Christmas wine? Because everybody loves
it and if it survives Christmas, you can always enjoy
it in New Year's Eve. Very good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
So what does it taste like?

Speaker 14 (01:08:17):
Well, it tastes to me, it tastes like champagne. It's
probably heresy to say that, but it's got citrus, you know,
have them hunting me down, But it was citrus apple
and freshly baked baget crust. You know, it's got a
seductively creamy texture that that lovely baget crust flavors really

(01:08:38):
makes it very.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Very Frenchy, as you say, so, thirty six dollars for
a bottle of the number one Family couve. You think
that's good venue?

Speaker 14 (01:08:46):
Yes I do. Yeah, it's the number one Family's least
expensive wine. But to me, it's it's it's you know,
it's one of my favorites. It's it's one third the
price of good champagne, but it's certainly not one third
the quality.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Yeah nice, Where can you pick it up?

Speaker 14 (01:09:04):
I founded that whiskey and more and why Canno for
thirty four ninety nine a little bit below average and
the Hamilton Beer and Wine Company also thirty five or
thirty five ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Nine aside from a Christmas turkey? What would you match
it with, do you think, Bob?

Speaker 14 (01:09:21):
Well, the classic is freshly shucked oysters. I love oysters,
so and there are a perfect match. But it's a
fairly forgiving food wine. It's it would go with most seafoods.
And you know, it's just it can be enjoyed without
the complication of food too that way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Yeah, yeah, well it keep do you think, oh a
few years of stored?

Speaker 14 (01:09:47):
Well, I quite like aged method. Don't forget to if
you are going to keep it for later, don't forget
to write the page of purchase on the bottle, because
it is a non vintage wine, and so you you know,
down the track you may not remember when you bought it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Yes, and if you end up putting another bottle in
the calar again, next year you might find yourself getting
a little bit confused over time. That's a very very
good tip. Hey, thank you so much, Bob. Have a
wonderful Christmas, won't you? There you too, We really appreciate
all of your help and advice throughout the year. Bob
Campbell our master of wine. There so he has chosen

(01:10:30):
the number one family Kuve Assemblage Kuve from Marlborough. It's
a method traditional for thirty six dollars. All of the
details will be up on the news talks he'd b website.
Right now, it is thirteen minutes to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
A man in the gardener's roode climb past and he's
here with us this morning, killeder.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
Jack. Is everything all right there?

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Everything is very well, thank you. The garden is absolutely thriving.
It is that time of year, of course, when it's
hot and went, which is kind of what you want.

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
What you want, right, it's so dry here, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
It's well, that's true, that's true. Depending on what part
of the country you're in right now, there are some
very very dry parts. You hate to think what parts
of Kenny going to be like and parts of north
and they're going to be like six or eight weeks
from now a.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
But that's right.

Speaker 9 (01:11:21):
Yeah, Julie was out on my back when I was
using the chainsaw to cut some wood and she says,
I wouldn't do that with this heat and this dryness.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
That's a good point, right, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:11:32):
And we've had a few fires around here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Yeah, no, you certainly have. You've had one just up
the road from you, right, yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
On the road. Yeah, yeah, we could smell it see it, and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Yeah, it is it is really scary. I mean one
of the things I suppose, well, on your side of
the porthills there's a bit more vegetation, as is your
head further east, there's not a whole lot for it
to burn. That's sort of just the grass. But yeah, anyway,
so what is no mow November?

Speaker 9 (01:12:01):
It's it's actually a saying that says, why do we
always have to mow the lawns when you can do
really cool things about it?

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
And I'll give you an example of what you and
I talked about.

Speaker 9 (01:12:11):
I would say, why not get rid of all your
grass your lawn and plant wildflower and you don't have
to mode. So that means you don't have this problem
you got you're starting to get there now, you see,
and and and so that's the idea. That was the
original idea. So so no mo November, but starts us

(01:12:31):
the October November. When you start the mode, lawns here
and I always think, oh gosh, another week weekly thing
to do, blah blah blah weekly. Anyway, Well, yeah, yeah,
when you got good, when you get we've had really
warm weather here and we had some really wet, wet springs,
so it went quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
You got to get the number two on it. You
got a buzz cut there, Rode you know, gives low
and then you'll be.

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
Your sound like my hairdresser.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
Anyway, so no mo November.

Speaker 9 (01:12:59):
So a couple of weeks ago I went to Tekapo
Primary School where I was going to do a little
project with him and and it was they loved it
because of course always bugs with me and things like that.
But we were going to talk about bumblebees, and so
I told these kids this is actually a lovely story,
by the way, Jack. I told the kids that there
were four different species of bumblebees in New Zealand, all

(01:13:21):
imported from the UK, by the way, and they all
have different tongue lengths.

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
Oh yeah, there you go.

Speaker 9 (01:13:28):
And the reason, of course is that, yeah, yeah, that
some flowers have got very deep flowers if you like
other shallow flowers, and that means you need different tongue
lengths to pollinate them.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
See that's the original thing.

Speaker 9 (01:13:40):
Makes sense, Yeah, it does make sense. Three of those
species are quite common in New Zealand. The fourth one
is not so common, and that's the one that lives
near It's called the short haired bumblebee by the way.
That is the one that lives in the mcgenzie country
near Techapole. And I told them that thing is actually
not that common at the moment. So what we should

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do is take a bit of the school grounds off.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
Get rid of it.

Speaker 9 (01:14:08):
Yeah yeah, get rid of that stuff, and then we
plant the right plants for this particular bumblebee. And they said, oh,
that's a great idea. I said, I've got something else
to tell you. This thing came from the UK, where
it is now extinct.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Wow is that right?

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
Yes, So what do you think.

Speaker 9 (01:14:27):
If we can grow a heck of a lot of
these longhw bumble bee? Yes, we can then send fertile
queens back to the UK, which which failed in the
past apparently, but I wasn't there, it didn't matter, and
then we can help the UK the English people from
getting their own bubble bee back.

Speaker 5 (01:14:45):
They thought it was amazing. So they started this, what
do we need? What plants do we need? Can we
raise the population density in the Techapo area? Can we
then ship them?

Speaker 9 (01:14:56):
Can we do all the Of course we can, so
we started that stuff off. So I rang some of
my mates from King Seeds and the Bumblebee Conservation Trust
and and Jeff Brunsom from the Wildflower World that sort
of stuff, and said what can we do here? And
suddenly it all happened. These kids were planting stuff everywhere. Zomba,

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which is a very famous company that actually lets you
get some bee hives if you like in your area.
For instance, in my tunnel house. They wanted to send
them a beehive, and all that stuff happened. So they
learned how to get rid of weeds, fertilized the soil,
They know how to sow the seeds, they know what
to do, and basically they are on their way. But

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the coolest thing is they even signed up during the
school holidays to have a roster for watering in.

Speaker 5 (01:15:47):
The still ground. So Simon and Maria and everybody else
basically on holiday. They're so tough that the kids are
doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
So just for people who haven't seen the short heead ones,
how different do they look compared to the bubble as
you see in other parts of the country.

Speaker 9 (01:16:02):
Well, we've got three different species, so we've got these
big so yeah, three or four four out.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
Yeah, this is the fourth one.

Speaker 9 (01:16:09):
It is quite dark in color and it is smaller
than the others basically, but they are still there basically
on all these flowers that they like. That they like
all these flows in the in the mcginsey country, that's
where they are.

Speaker 20 (01:16:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
They beautiful, aren't they. I think bumblebees are underrated somehow.
They're just absolutely gorgeous creatures. I reckon they are. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:16:29):
If you ever, if you ever grow tomatos, you need
that big bumblebee by the way, Jack, because it vibrates
when it lands and that takes the spores and they're
sorry that the pollen from one flower to the next,
that's how that works.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, my tomatoes are looking very
good already. I mean it's an early day. Yeah, no,
they're looking good, and so two of my walking onions.
So thank you very much for those, very much enjoying those.
They've been smashed over the last couple of weeks in
my place. So yeah, we very much appreciate that little
drop off from you. Here's a cheeky line just to
close you out for the morning. Road Jack. Isn't planting

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wildflowers a contradictions. If they're planted, technically they're not wild.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
Yes, and that's why they called wild flowers.

Speaker 10 (01:17:11):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Yeah, I'm sure you've heard that one before. Hey, thank you,
thank you so much. You have a wonderful weekend, and
we will catch again very soon.

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
Okay, absolutely, I'll be there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Rude climb past our man in the garden. There After
eleven o'clock on news Talk zed B, we are continuing
the theme of huge name iconic musicians reflecting on their
life and achievements this morning. So before ten o'clock we
were telling you about the new film based on Robbie
Williams's life, that's the one with the Chimpanzee. After after

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ten and that screen time segment this morning, we recommended
the new show with Elton John on Disney plus him
reflecting on his life. And then after eleven this morning,
our book reviewer is in and she wants to tell
us about a book in which Share reflects on her life.
It's a two part memoir, so we'd give you all
the details on Share the memoir very shortly, as well

(01:18:04):
as that, a few street treats in Eden and new
music from this amazing Australian musician Becker Amani who blends
all sorts of different styles together. It is just coming
up to eleven o'clock a Saturday morning, ob Jac Tame.
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Mo Man or if you're just joining us this morning
on News Talks dB, it is my Pleasia to be
with you. This is my last show, our last Saturday
together for twenty twenty four. Just to keep you up
to speed with things in Hamilton. The black Cap is
currently nine for none off almost two overs the hecks.
You haven't hit any runs yet, so all of those

(01:19:14):
runs have come from either buys or league buys or
no balls, various extras. I'll make sure that I update
you with any big developments as that game continues. The
third and final Test God. I love Test Crockett. I
love Test Cricket so much. I feel very sad that
this is the last time we're going to see the
black Caps playing Test cricket this summer. But in mind

(01:19:36):
now before midday on News Talks, he'd be We're gonna
play you this new music from this Australian artist, Becka Rmani.
She is really interesting, has a really interesting sound, so
I'm looking forward to coming up bit of time so
we can listen to that. Plus, Cher has just released
the first part of her two part memoir, which could
be a great gift for the Sheer fans in your

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life heading into Christmas. Right now, it's eight minutes past
eleven Jack Team and a fascinating call from Age Concern
New Zealand last month call for a new ministry of
loneliness to be established. And you might think this is
a funny time of year to be talking about loneliness,
but of course the Christmas season comes with all sorts
of mixed up emotions for lots of new Zealanders. Dougle

(01:20:20):
Sutherland is a kind of course psychologist with Umbrella well
Being and he's with us this morning. Kilder, Dougal, Kilder Jack.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Nice to talk to you of them, Yeah, nice.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
To be speaking with you. So just talk us through
why Age Concern thinks that loneliness is such a big
issue in New Zealand and maybe why it's a bit
of an underrated problem.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:20:40):
Look, I think it's underrated because it's so hidden, isn't
it that if you're lonely, by definition, you're not really
having contact with other people, so other people don't know
about it. And the Age Concern survey found that amongst
older people that they surveyed, almost sixty percent said that
they had felt lonely or isolated recently, and even more sadly,

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a third of the people that they surveyed said that
they felt like that most of the time. And loneliness
is estimated to have as much impact on our physical
health in our life as things like smoking and obesity.
So it's a real it's a real health problem. It's
not just something that oh, well, people get a bit

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lonely sometimes, don't They actually has a massive impact on
people's lives.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
That's extraordinary, right, Like a similar impact on our health
is smoking in obesity. I mean that that really is.
It just goes to show we are pack animals. So
what do you think has has contributed to those really
high numbers, those really high levels of loneliness. Is that
the sort of thing we can just put it on

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the pandemic or has it been brewing for some time?

Speaker 10 (01:21:49):
Well, look, I think you know, there's a whole multitude
of things. Certainly that there's the impact of the pandemic
and losing contact with people during that time and maybe
you know, maybe having difficulty re establishing those links. We've
got an aging population, of course, so as people get older,

(01:22:10):
you know that they do tend to become a bit
more that you know, naturally people lose their partners or
friends through passing away. There's other things though, too, like
you know, the cost of living and the cost of
healthcare at the moment makes it can make it difficult
for people to actually get out of the house if
they might not be able to afford to travel or

(01:22:30):
to go out, or their health problems might limit their
ability to actually get out and about in the community.
So there's a whole host of factors, and you know,
we've got this aging population and predicted this is only
going to get worse really unless we do something about it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
It's interesting too, right, Some people might think it seems
like a bit extreme to have a Minister for loneliness
or a ministry of loneliness, but in the UK and
Japan they've got ministers for loneliness. In Australia they're making
some steps too.

Speaker 10 (01:23:01):
Yeah, they had Australia's i think, announced a Commission of
inquiry or parliamentary commission I think into looking at it.
And the UK had a Minister of Loneliness I think
they've had one for about five years or so, and
the same in Japan. And it's like having a minister
in itself doesn't necessarily change anything, but I think what
it does do is it sort of highlights the area

(01:23:23):
and focuses government, you know, government attention and finances into
those areas. If you've got a bit like we've seen
with you know, the Ministry of Mental Health here in
New Zealand, so I think it's certainly it's one of
those things that can really spotlight the issue and bring
it into the public awareness, which I think is really important,
especially at the moment right especially around Christmas stuff, and

(01:23:45):
it's around you know, catching up with family and that's
all great, but of course some people that might not
be the case for everybody. And I was thinking that
what a great Christmas gift it could be this year.
I actually you stopped and took you know, we all
stopped and looked around in our community and who's nearby us?
And are they actually you know, is there some loneliness

(01:24:07):
nearby that we can help with and and and make
that maybe not just a one off Christmas present, but
perhaps a bit of a longer term commitment to And
it doesn't have to be much. We've got a we've
got an elderly neighbor that lives next door to us,
and her family lives nearby, and they see her regularly,
but you know, it's just the occasional popping in and

(01:24:29):
having a conversation over the fence or bringing in her
paper or you know, anything like that. And I know that,
you know, I've spoken to her, and she's just she
really finds that just a really nice thing to and
feels part of the community and feels that there's some
there's somebody near to her that.

Speaker 8 (01:24:46):
That that is aware of her and cares about her. Yeah,
that's a great thing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Feel connected today. It's just such a such a vital
kind of human experience. It's funny too, right, because social
media is almost more of a problem with this than
than an aid, in that people who are on social
media actually feel lone you're often than people who aren't.

Speaker 21 (01:25:08):
Yeah, it's a weird.

Speaker 10 (01:25:10):
It's sort of counterintuitive in a way, and it's possibly
related to that the age of the generation, you know,
where they are seeing what's going on in everybody else's
life and perhaps that enhances the sense of this isn't
happening in.

Speaker 8 (01:25:24):
My own life, which is sad.

Speaker 10 (01:25:26):
And yeah, I think I think it was something like
about seventy five percent of those people who of older
people who were surveyed and said that they did they
had good social media access and they connected with people online,
but actually they still reported see them lonely. So I
think you know that nothing can beat the face to.

Speaker 8 (01:25:46):
Face really, so social media is great.

Speaker 10 (01:25:48):
For keeping in touch, but it can also perhaps highlight
the differences and maybe some of the areas that aren't
going so well for you. So nothing really beats to
face to face or at least even a phone call.
You know, texting somebody is all good, but actually having
that phone call, having the face to face if.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
You can, is even and trying to make it a
long term kind of connection rather than just a one
off quick hey, how are you doing kind of thing?

Speaker 10 (01:26:12):
Right, Yeah, that's right. I think it's just that.

Speaker 14 (01:26:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:26:16):
And those long term relationships and connections there are of
course just built up with small moments, you know, day
after day, week after week, and you're just saying good day,
and then you stop for a bit longer and you
have a bit of a chat and then that, you know,
and that sort of develops over time. So you don't
have to sort of rush in and spend the whole
of Christmas Day, in Boxing Day and New Year's Day

(01:26:36):
with them and you know, dominate their lives twenty four
to seven. Just build up those relationships slowly but surely,
and you know, sow those seeds and eventually they'll spring
a bit of fruit hopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
So obviously we're speaking at speaking about this from the
perspective of people who are you know, of younger generations
who are often really busy and that kind of thing.
This is a bit of a tricky question, but do
you think older people bear some responsibility and trying to
be really proactive about making connections, about joining clubs or

(01:27:10):
trying to be social like that. Is that something you
can try and foster and people. Yeah, feels like there's
a place for both obviously.

Speaker 10 (01:27:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think it's important to
address the barriers that might prevent older people from getting
out into the community. Like if mobility or health is
a concern, or transport, then that's really difficult.

Speaker 14 (01:27:34):
But if communities.

Speaker 10 (01:27:35):
Can come together and you know, address some of those concerns,
you know, have a pick up van or provide taxi
chips or whatever so that people can get out and about.
So I think it's been you know, removing those barriers
that will prevent people from getting out and about and
allowing people to take up the opportunities. And I think,
you know, there's often lots of sort of small community

(01:27:57):
events that go on in your neighborhood that people would
go to if they only could or if.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
They knew about.

Speaker 10 (01:28:05):
So it's a bit both, of course, but there are
lots of often lots of societal barriers towards people getting
out and about even when they want to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Yeah, the moyality one's a big one. A yeah, that's
a really it's a critical one. Yeah, that is such
good advice. Thank you so much, Google, have a fantastic
Christmas one you.

Speaker 10 (01:28:22):
Thanks, Jack, Yes, you too, Thanks for your thanks for
your Christmas card.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
We're always always a highlight.

Speaker 14 (01:28:28):
Yeah. We'll speak to you next year.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Yeah, I look forward to it. I have a great
break and we will catch you again very soon. Google Sutherland,
the clinical psychologist with Umbrella Well Being. It's seventeen past
to leaving you with Jack Tame. This is News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Mike hardly has our travel corresponding. He's with us this morning,
more than a mic.

Speaker 21 (01:28:50):
More than a Jack, stupendous Christmas card.

Speaker 8 (01:28:53):
Up to your usual thing.

Speaker 21 (01:28:54):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
I don't know about stupendous. I think that might be
a stretch, but thank you. Look the mere fact if
you can, if you can read it, then I'm impressed,
because honestly, I my name is so no.

Speaker 21 (01:29:07):
I think there's a bit of self load in going
on here. Jack time, I don't have a problem with
your handwriting. I find it very legible. Oh very well
at the top of the class.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Oh my gosh, I put out that quote and take
it home. Yeah, as the first time I've heard that ever.
In fact, I always think as a journalist, I'll be
able to protect my sources because even if they go
through my notebooks, they'll bet they won't be able to
read anything. You know, they won't be able to decipher
Anything'll be fine. Just a very quick update the black
Caps twenty four to none off four point five overs.

(01:29:36):
I've just had a text from Mars saying, Jack, for
goodness sake, come on keep us up to speed. So yeah,
relatively early days, four point five overs. The relatively good
sounds so far. Anyway, we are focusing on street treats
and what I think is the most underrated of New
Zealand's big cities. Indeed, this morning, and we should start

(01:29:57):
off with George Street. How is George Street looking after
the major makeover?

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Mike.

Speaker 21 (01:30:02):
Yes, Well, it wasn't without controversy, as should know, Jack
and I did wonder at times if the tens of
millions being shelled out would be worth it. But I
have to say Dunedan's retail heart looks resplendent. And the
really interesting thing about done is is that, unlike most cities,
they haven't been hollowed out with suburban walls. So when
you go to George Street, you've got the Meridian Mall,

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Wall Street Mall, Golden Center. So these are all great
CBD retail magnets which give George Street that sort of
continuing vitality. And the Georgia up to George Street is
undeniably pedestrian centric. But I think they've done a stunning job.
Great paving, awesome street furniture, the plantings. I hate when

(01:30:44):
councils put in spindly, dispiriting plantings. Well in Dneda and
I've gone lush, you know, they've gone like jungle, so
it just looks so good. They've got a curbside playground,
cannibal lighting, and the public art jack really cold. I've
got all sorts of dishes etched into the papers, so
when you're walking along there's all these local luminary showcase

(01:31:06):
dishies from poet on a two far day, the writer
Janet Frame, some lyrics from the iconic Dnedan band to
the Clean. So yeah, there's lots to check out in George.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Street, and tell us about the Warehouse precinc you reckon
it's worth a wonder.

Speaker 21 (01:31:20):
I'm fascinated by this precinct and it's been sort of
in a state of revival for about a decade or so.
And I mean, obviously Dunedan's not sort of architectural flourishes.
So many great stately stone buildings over the place to
feast your eyes on as you swallow about that. The
Warehouse Precinct, it's sort of got the spirit of New
York's meatpacking district, so it's super hip, a huge trove

(01:31:43):
of heritage buildings that have been repurposed as offices and
apartments and really trendy, hostile venues. Vogel Street is sort
of like the beating heart of the precinct. It's just
a show piece street. And then you've got all of
Dunedan's street art, a lot of it is concentrated in
that precinct. And there's a trail you can follow that

(01:32:04):
threads together all of a splashy site, leading you down
all sorts of nooks and crannies. Jack like no Name Ellie,
which is an absolute cracker.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
What about the kai An any recommended.

Speaker 21 (01:32:15):
Eats for us, I would start at Bogle Street Kitchen
because they were the trailblazer that powered the revival of
the precinct into a very sort of buzzy hospo haunt.
Really good wood fired pizza there. If you're into your coffee,
go to Heritage Coffee. It's housed in a building that
looks like a miniature Raffle Singapore. It's this gorgeous cream

(01:32:37):
building that was actually the Harbourmasters Building one hundred and
twenty years ago. And then for lunch on the run,
I went to this brand new kid on the block
called Big Lizard. It's a gally style takeaway and there
Fakacha Sammy's and the pastries Jack Dame, Oh my god,
they are unbeatable. And then just very quickly beyond the
Warehouse precinct, close to the Octagon, I checked out a

(01:32:59):
place called Grays and Grays and Glow and this typically
a line out the door. The reason everything on the
menu is nine dollars. Marcos, Croquettes, Lamb Stewards, Knocky all
for nine dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Man, that's grave it sounds wonderful. Okay, what about the
bruise scene in Dnedan.

Speaker 21 (01:33:20):
Yeah, well, obviously they've got a very proud living history.
And it's amazing how the Spates Brewery tours they still
rate on trip Advisor as one of the essential things you've.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Got to do.

Speaker 21 (01:33:32):
So it's our oldest working brewery, one hundred and fifty
years old next year. And I love how that building
could be a stand in for Willie Wonka's chocolate factory
and it's just so cool. Further your liquid education at Emerson's,
which is widely considered as the pioneer of our craft
beer industry. And when you're in No Name Ellie and

(01:33:52):
the Warehouse precinct, check out a recent micro brewery arrival
called Steamer Basin, really cooled brewery and Tapprim. I tried
the Eceptron sour, which is fabulous this summer, and the
cream out Jack, which has a hint of chocolate in vanilla.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Oh don't mind, just do we start just one? You
know what I mean? Yes, you know it just said, yeah, yeah, beautiful?
Is the loop around the harbor? The Otago vine is
that proving popular?

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Wild?

Speaker 21 (01:34:22):
It is on fire. I was there a couple of
weeks ago and despite it raining. There were hundreds on
the trails, so this is this massive project that was
completed last year. But the trailers, the cyclists and walkers,
it is absolutely riveting. It spans a thirty two k loop.
So you've got the West Harbor Path which threeds along

(01:34:44):
the peninsula to Port a Bellow and then over on
the eastern side. That path links the city with Port Charmers,
and they've got this amazing boardwalk over Blanket Base, so
you feel like you're cycling on the water as you
go over Blanket Bay. The scenery, as you know, jack
mind blowing and the full circuit takes most riders about

(01:35:04):
two to four hours to knock off, but there is
so much to see and do along the trail.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Yeah, so how do you get across the water?

Speaker 21 (01:35:11):
Very good question, you could summons Jesus. But most people
go for port to port cruisers. They operate a short
and suite ferry crossing several times a day. It's only
about five or ten minutes across from Portcharmers to Portobello,
so that's brilliant. The simplicity is brilliant. It just completes the.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Loop nice and any quick tips on Port charmers very quickly.

Speaker 21 (01:35:32):
Do not miss the Maritime Museum and the reasoning. It's
just been enlarged and upgraded, so it does this glittering
job immersing you in the glories of everything. When it
comes to seafear and heritage of Dunedin. The Wall of
Ship's Gallery is something you have to see to believe.
It is genuinely a wall of ships. And that is
going to be a short fire summer hit.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Yeah, very good. Oh it sounds wonderful. Thank you so much.
My parents used to always do do Dunedin over the summer.
They always quite like going down because of course, you
know they have all the students that come into town
and then they go off and you know, if they've
come from around the country, they often spread out over
summer and so it doesn't empty out, but it's definitely
you know, empties out a little bit relative to the
middle of the year. No, I always reckon it was

(01:36:15):
a great spot to go, and then you go down
to Saint Clear every bit of a swim as well.
It's just a really really good place to have a
few days over the summer. So thank you for that.
Mike really appreciate it, and you have a wonderful Christmas.
I know I don't need to tell you to do that,
given how much you love the summer the year, but yeah,
thank you for everything this year and have a wonderful summer,
won't you?

Speaker 21 (01:36:33):
Thanks you too, Jack in regards to the family.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Yeah sounds good, all right? Catch you so. Mike Yardley,
our travel correspondent, all of his tips for enjoying to
need and there will be up on the news talks.
He'd be website Remember everything once we've said it on
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just coming up to eleven thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team
on news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
What the earth just a said you?

Speaker 11 (01:37:14):
Free for you?

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
I cuertain wait for the night to tell me. Race,
you'll catch my attention.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Right just after eleven thirty on your Saturday morning, Jack
taym in the hot seat through it in the day.
Then Jason Pine is in for weekends sport this afternoon
killed a Piney killer Jack black Caps twenty six for
none off seven overs. I don't I haven't looked at
the stats, but there must be about their best opening
stand for the series against England so far. I reckon,
I think it is. I think it is.

Speaker 22 (01:37:45):
I just saw a stat flash up before the average
opening partnership in New Zealand and the series is fifteen,
so twenty six were almost double. It Will Young, Will
Young into the team obviously, Devin Conway awaiting the birth
of his first child with his wife. Yeah, it's a
good start, a good solid start, having been sent in
at Seddon Park as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
So twenty six without loss as we are is what
half an hour gone. I'd be interesting to know if
Devin Comwoy would have been named in the team, you know,
had he not been waiting on the birth of his child.
Obviously that's a very good reason to be not playing.
But yeah, be interesting. And you know, seeing Mitt Santner
coming to the team, no great surprise but all liyes
of course on Tim Soudy indeed, yeah, one hundred and

(01:38:24):
seventh and final Test match for Tim Soudy. Look, I
think as much as the last couple of years have
been a bit controversial in terms of his selection and
earning that selection, then the captaincy of course, and everything
was gone with it. I don't think there's any denying
that he's been one of our greats. Jack, you know
he has been.

Speaker 22 (01:38:42):
Yeah, only only Sir Richard Hadley has taken more Test
wickets than Tim, Soaudy has four New Zealand And at
his peak that sort of you know, I kind of
think the two or three years leading into the World
Test Championship, back into the twenty tens, he was just
at times just just absolutely brilliant swinging the ball and
tandem with Trent bolt but and Neil Wagner thrown in
there and they were a huge part of New Zealand

(01:39:03):
success in that period. So what your hope is that
is that what's happened in the last little while won't
won't tage his legacy. I don't think it will. Yeah,
I think he'll I think he'll be he'll go down
rightly so as one of an absolute, absolute great Test cricketers.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Well, I mean even even if he you know, we'll
see how he goes in this game obviously, but even
in the last couple of games he hasn't been taking
heaps of wickets, but he has been bowling well at times,
like really well and moving the ball and you know,
making for a kind of tricky prospect for most batsman,
although maybe not the English. Yeah it's not. It's not
like he's totally past it or anything. And I think

(01:39:37):
he hit the nail on the head, you know, Like
I as a as a New Zealand cricket tragic, it's
really obvious to me that we've just been through this,
this kind of golden period. It might be the single
best period as a New Zealand cricket fan in my
entire life that we've just lived through with the World
Test Championship and you know, the Camee Williamson era and
like you say, Saudi is just an absolute kind of

(01:39:58):
foundational reason for that. And nothing's gonna nothing's going to
change that legacy, I don't think. So why are you
expecting Hamilton anything and particular?

Speaker 22 (01:40:07):
Oh, I'd like a slightly bit of performance and I
think wouldn't it, Yeah, it would be, But it'd be
good to still be talking about the game on Monday
or Tuesday. I think we will be. Look, I think
you know, there is pride on the line. As they
say it's a dead rubber. They can't win the series,
they can't, can't stop England from winning the series, but
they can send Tim Southy out on a high and
I think everybody in that New Zealand dressing room will

(01:40:27):
want to do just that. I mean, there's no good,
it'll be no good sort of sitting around on Monday
afternoon having been beaten inside three days again and saying hey,
thanks for the memories to Tim. Yeah, you know, it
would take the gloss off of the bit. So like, yeah,
I hope they I hope that they produce a much
better showing in this third Test than they have in
the first two.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Yeah, we've got it's a good day for tat Crookeet,
really good weekend for Test cricket because we've got Australia
and India kicking off that I think just after one
o'clock twenty past yeah at the Gabba. Yeah, this afternoon
at the Gabba, which will which will be great. And
then we've got a league this weekend as well.

Speaker 22 (01:40:57):
Indeed, yes, the Phoenix play this afternoon five o'clock and
then Auckland FC put their unbeaten or their perfect start
to the season on the line again tomorrow. Incredible really,
what they've done away at Melbourne City. That's tomorrow evening
around seven New Zealand Times. So yeah, that'll be tough
for them, you know, whether you subscribe to the fact
they've been lucky or not in the first six weeks

(01:41:17):
of the season with the drawer. You know, they've only
had to travel to Australia once. Tomorrow will be a
big test for them, but they've swept all before them
so far.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
So yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's a brave person
who writes them off at any point.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
Really.

Speaker 22 (01:41:30):
Indeed, what's on the show this afternoon, Well, the only
guy I can think of who's watched Tim Saudi. In fact,
I think this is the guy who's watched Tim Saudi
the most during his Test career is bj Watling crouching
behind the stumps for over ten years watching Tim Saudi
charge in and take all those wickets. He's going to
give us his recollections and memories of Tim Soudy after
midday and after one looking forward to chatting to All

(01:41:51):
Blacks Player of the Year Wallacetti.

Speaker 4 (01:41:54):
What a year.

Speaker 22 (01:41:55):
I mean a year ago he wasn't really even in
the reckoning to start for the Chiefs and here he
is All Blacks Player of the Year. So yeah, Wallace
the TT on the show and we'll obviously keep our
listeners across the Test match in Hamilton and the one
at the Gaber as well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Yeah, very good. I'm a deserving player of the year
as well. Just absolute force. Yeah great, sounds like a
very busy show. Looking forward to it. Thank you sir.
Have a great Christmas, Jack and a mate, we'll see you.
We'll see you in twenty five. Yeah, look forward to it.
Thanky Piney of course bukand will still be top of
the league no doubt when we next speak. Jason Pine
with us this afternoon on Weekend Sport, right after the

(01:42:32):
midday news. The black Caps thirty two for none. Will
youngsters hit a four? It wasn't what didn't go where
he intended to go, the leading edge, but that near mind.
We will take the runs as they come for the
time being, so the black Caps a. I just had
another one there, another edge through the slips for four.
Black Caps thirty six for none from Cedon Park and Hamilton.
I'll make sure I give you any updates as they

(01:42:54):
come through. Right now it is twenty four to twelve.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
No bit of way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Ta and be
pured on code on Z for high quality supplements.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
US Talk z MB you on to twelve on News
Talks 'DV. Catherine Rains is our book reviewer and she's
here with her two picks for us this weekend, Gilder.

Speaker 9 (01:43:14):
Check.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Let us start off with The Crash by Kate Fernaval.
Tell us about it.

Speaker 13 (01:43:20):
So this is set in Paris in nineteen thirty three,
two days before Christmas, and there's an express train it's
on its way to Strasbourg and it ends up crashing
into another one and just on the outskirts of Paris
due to the poor visibility. And on board this train
Al's Marrow and he has this very shady past and
he's always trying to stay one step ahead of the police.

(01:43:41):
So he takes advantage of this crash and he gets
out of the carriage and he.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Oh, he tell you what, Catherine, We will see if
we can ring you and get you up on the
line instead, because I think that technology is not going
to work out terribly well if it's anything to go
by him, and we'll see if we can grabber In
a moment, I'm keen to hear Shear's new book, or
the first of her two memoirs, the two part memoir

(01:44:11):
She's just released the first one, which no doubt will
be a massive massively supported by all Sheer fans out there.
Over summer, I am staying in New Zealand, which is
great news. Obviously, we are nesting a little bit in
our house at the moment, so there's still plenty of
chores and bits and pieces and things for me to do.
But my plan after finishing up work this year is
to head down to Golden Bay and Nelson, hoping to

(01:44:33):
get a bit of time tramping as well, before making
up for the lack of Black Caps action over the
summer by absolutely destroying my siblings and a bit of
backyard cricket. Catherine is back with us now killeder.

Speaker 23 (01:44:45):
Hello, our cricket sounds fun though.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Backyard cricket, Yeah, it was always always a winning option,
but apparently the technology wasn't in this case. So pick
up where you were. The Crash by Kate Fernival.

Speaker 23 (01:44:56):
So he set two days before Christmas in Paris in
nineteen thirty three, and this express trainer is on its
way to Strasbourg and it crashes and a guy on board.
Charles is a shady past and he's trying to stay
one step ahead of the police. And then he gets
out of the carriage and he doesn't quite realize how
badly Injoy is, but he swaps his wallet with another man,
hoping he'll throw off anyone that's on his tail, and

(01:45:17):
he leaves the scene and he doesn't end.

Speaker 10 (01:45:18):
Up very far.

Speaker 23 (01:45:19):
He wakes up at a house and this woman is
calling him by a name that he doesn't recognize, and
she's kind of sure that she's a little bit shady
as well. And then on the other hand, there's this
woman called Camille, and she's part of the French civil service,
and she was looking forward to spending Christmas with her brother,
and she's very shocked when the police inform her that
he was seriously hurt in a train crash. And she

(01:45:41):
visits him and it's not her brother, and she has
no idea what happened to him and why this stranger
has his wallet and his identification papers, and that's sets
off a chain of events that disrupts all sorts of
lives and characters and traumas and lots of choices they
make that are shape in the future gets very fast
paced novel collection and shady characters and spints in intrigue

(01:46:03):
with a very tense backdrop against Paris in nineteen thirty three.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Right, okay, cool, Now I've been talking about this book
for a little bit this morning. Tell us about Share
the Memoir Part one. Bye, you guessed it's here, and.

Speaker 23 (01:46:15):
There is only one right, And this is the first volume,
and it starts with her quite unusual trial childhood and
dreaming of fame and fortune, and she doalves into her
life with her mother, Georgia, who herself was an actress,
searching for fame and shed very leading lady looks and
this beautiful singing voice, and she is quite honest about
her early days and this very tumultuous childhood as they

(01:46:38):
moved around the country in search of an entertainment career
and having to depend on family and ends up in
an orphanage as her mother struggles to make ends meet.
She still knows that she's really destined to be someone,
and she starts modeling and she ends up singing in
Phil Spector's studio and she eventually teams up with Sonny
Bono and their pop stardom is Sonny and share on

(01:47:00):
their TV show and the look at the entertainment this
industry and navigating Hollywood and where they had to work
and how women were exploited by the men running the show.
And then she suddenly also realizes how poorly Sonny is
treating her and both personally and financially, and that's a
very piviletal moment in her life and her decision to
leave him, And so you get lots of and you know,

(01:47:20):
it's some tangent that it almost feels like you're sitting
down with her and she's having a conversation with you,
and it's entertaining. She seems to be very self aware
and quite critical of herself and doesn't give herself a
lot of grace for her past mistakes. I think she
probably should. But actually I'm looking really forward to part two.
She goes kind of deeper into her fame and fortune
and she already made it after the Funny and She

(01:47:42):
Is show, and she's just fascinating. She's really interesting, especially.

Speaker 12 (01:47:46):
Her early life.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Do we know when part two is coming out?

Speaker 19 (01:47:49):
I believe it's.

Speaker 23 (01:47:50):
Supposed to be next year, but I think the date's
been confirmed.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
Probably twelve months from now.

Speaker 23 (01:47:55):
You might be talking about it the time next year.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
Yeah, true, true that that sounds really good though, sounds
really interesting. Okay, so that's share the Memoir Part one
and The Crash by Kate Fernival was Catherine's book. Those
will both be on the news talks. He'd whips I
have a great Christmas, won't you? Catherine, you too, fantastic,
Thank you, Katherine Rains our book review at the end.
In a couple of minutes, we're going to play some
new music from this Australian artist, Becker Rmony. All sorts

(01:48:19):
of different genres she kind of weaves together on her music,
so it's really interesting as a sound.

Speaker 7 (01:48:24):
Right now at sixteen to twelve, giving you the inside
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Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
It'd be the.

Speaker 24 (01:48:37):
Pain turn of Performancestniven.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Tired of mar of the same, and there's.

Speaker 24 (01:48:46):
Some people checking the flame, tire of thoughts, impressed in
the earth, look Bernie's and Wish and Welshop and Fouche
tired of seeing the truth and forget in the face.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
This is bigger Armeney. The song is called Sober. She's
got a new album called This Is How I Remember It,
and the Stelle Clifford Our Music Review has been listening
in a.

Speaker 25 (01:49:14):
More than just the album I needed as we're cruising
more and more into summer.

Speaker 4 (01:49:18):
Her voice is.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
So good, it's beautiful. It's quite yeah, quite pure. Yeah,
that is the perfect way to put it.

Speaker 25 (01:49:25):
And I think that then gives this real authenticness to
everything that she sings about, and it draws you in
as well, that it really sits beautifully above the music
and the production. So that song we are Sober, I mean,
you know, when you hear an artist have the song Sober,
you're thinking, oh, it's going to be about drinking and
cleaning myself up after my rock star life or whatever.
But for her, it's actually more about that societal commentary

(01:49:49):
that we all need to be a bit more sober
and wake up to some of the things that are
going on. So, you know, she she has that voice
where she wants to speak out for those who maybe
don't always get the coverage, they'd always get the support,
and to put that into a beautiful song like that,
it's really it's really sack with me.

Speaker 12 (01:50:05):
I really love it.

Speaker 25 (01:50:05):
There's some mpling throughout it, which is a Burundian folk song. Yeah,
and it just sounds so beautiful in the production. When
it first opens, there's no music and it's just all
these vocal harmonies. So again one of those songs that
just captures your attention quite quickly and really clever, and
then with that sort of rattat drum and the cool groove,

(01:50:28):
then you sort of sink into, you know the meaning
of the lyrics and things. So I just there's so
many layers to that song, and it's all about a
message of hope, and I just think that's a beautiful
thing to share at this time of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
So a great artist.

Speaker 25 (01:50:40):
She actually was one of the artists who has picked
out to perform with Coldplay, you know how with their
Will tour, they've been doing local artists for each show.
So she did a couple of nights with her version
of We Pray and I've just loved seeing everyone's interpretation
of that and they really let that artist shine and
I mean, what a cool stage to be put on
and then just go for it right with this huge audience.

(01:51:01):
So she's still sort of fizzing about that, which I
think is great other seasoned artists empowering new ones. Just
that to me is what music is all about.

Speaker 11 (01:51:09):
So that's really cool.

Speaker 25 (01:51:10):
She's been nominated for the Emerging Songwriter of the Year
at the Oprah Awards.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
Cool.

Speaker 25 (01:51:16):
Wouldn't be surprised if she takes that one out. She's
got that really cool indie soul pop thing. There's a
lot of orchestral leaning in the production, with a layering
of either vocals or the instruments that come in. She's
been produced a couple of the songs on here Josh Fountain,
who is Bennie's producer, and she really takes you on
a range of emotions through the album. She directed the

(01:51:38):
music video for a song You're Gonna play a little
snippet of called I Don't Know Why I Don't Leave You.
I think it's so cool as well. An artists who
are already in an early phase of her career is like,
I want to take control of the whole artistry of
how this album is and my songs produced, you know,
And she had out there, and she's got that quirky, cool,
little sense of humor that she's put in. Near the

(01:51:59):
end of the music video. So if you get a
chance to check out some of her video content, I think.

Speaker 12 (01:52:03):
You'll really enjoy it.

Speaker 25 (01:52:04):
And that song particular is kind of like based on
how you think relationships are all going to be the
notebook in Bridgeton, and then the real world happens and
you're like, hang on, where's way writing off into the sunset?
This is not working out so good? So I think
it's really really cute sort of take on that. The
whole album's VERI all theme tic, real powerful themes, and

(01:52:25):
I think just that wonderful warmth and powerful voice that
she has she plays with it really well. And again,
an artist who's early in releasing her work to have
that kind of I'm going to show off all the
things that my voice can do. It's that confidence that
I just I really love hearing in our artists, and
I can only hope that that sort of stays with her.
It's a really really beautiful album. There's sorry every time

(01:52:47):
I listen to it, there's something else that sort of
captures me. And I love those kind of albums because
you can stay with them for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:52:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
I love the because I've listened a few of the tracks,
I just love the kind of bleaning of different styles.
I'm really into that.

Speaker 11 (01:53:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 25 (01:53:01):
She's taking that full scope of thing a musician, right
and actually putting that all in the album and trying
it and not sort of sitting with all has to
be this and sound like this.

Speaker 12 (01:53:10):
Throughout the whole album.

Speaker 25 (01:53:11):
So again, I really love that, and I think having
different producers on a few of the different songs throughout
has really helped that because they've sort of gone, hey,
here's how we can highlight it and push it. And
she's been really open to that process. And I think
because often a one album is album is produced by
one producer, but to have influence from a lot of
different people, I mean that's a great thing for her
to going forward because who you know is you know

(01:53:35):
it helps out right in the music industry. So I
think that's that's a great, smart kind of thing for her.
But she's obviously enjoying that collaboration, which is really nice.
And you hear it, you hear it in this album.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
So very good. What'd you give it here?

Speaker 14 (01:53:49):
We got it?

Speaker 11 (01:53:50):
Shall I?

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:53:52):
Go on at the end of the year, I'm just
smashing up.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Very good there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 25 (01:53:57):
I love I feel like I've saved them all to
the end of the year. Perhaps I'm just more open
to some happy I.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Know you're just that. You know, you just got the
Christmas spirit about you and even part of your life
right now. I love it, Okay, ten out of ten
for how I remember it, superb. You have yourself a
wonderful Christmas, won't Jay look forward to catching up for
the new year. And thank you for everything this year, Estelle,
all of your teens, all of the not quite teens
as well. We appreciate it. A Stelle Clifford is our

(01:54:23):
music reviewer. Ten out of teens you reckons. Becca Amani's
album is worth We're going to have a bit more
of a listener at a couple of minutes, so you know.
The Black Cavs still without having lost a wicket forty
six for none off just over twelve overs at Edton
Park in Hamilton. Tom Laitham on eighteen, were young on
seventeen not out right now It's eight to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Jack Day and vpwre dot co do dot insdead for
high quality supplements, news talk.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Sa'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
I can't believe the show's over, and I cannot believe
this year is over for me at the very least.
You know, I just love spending my Saturday mornings with
you so much. I just feel so privileged to do
this job and to spend our saturdays together. So thank
you very much for tuning in throughout the year. Thank
you very much for all of your texts and emails

(01:55:14):
and everything. I just I really really appreciate it, and
I feel so lucky. Like I said, I'm going to
have a bit of a summer with DFANO in Nelson
and Golden Bay, Wellington as well, So really looking forward
to that. Lots of backyard cricket, barbecues, all that kind
of stuff, time with the nieces and nephews, and yeah,
hopefully my wife not getting too uncomfortable as she grows

(01:55:36):
ever larger in the best possible way. Well, mind you,
given the Christmas streets, it will no doubt be available
at the Tame Household. We're all going to be growing
ever larger. Thanks to Libby and to Andy for doing
the tough stuff all the buttons and dials. For today's show,
Jason Pine is going to be with you, taking you
through the afternoon with weekend sport. Keeping up today with
the black Caps in England on day one of the

(01:55:57):
Third Tests in Hamilton. We're going to leave you with
Becka r. Mary. The song is called I Don't Know
Why I don't leave you. I will be back with
you in twenty twowenty five. Until then, Mary, Katy, Merry Christmas,
hit a fantastic New Year, and see you're soon. Save
way one of them. I save for one of them.

Speaker 6 (01:56:19):
Somebody that using it will have somebody who want here waiting.
Somebody who say it save more can be facing shadows.

Speaker 24 (01:56:45):
I think this time, I think this time.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
I think it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
I think this tim Leave you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
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