Full Show Podcast: 15 June 2024

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from news Talk, said B, start your weekend off in style.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Team and.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Bpure dot co dot in seid for high quality supplements.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
US Talk said bred.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
In a Kilton, New Zealand. Good morning and welcome to
news Talks, EDB. I'm Jack Tame with you through to
midday today. It is one of those awesome weekends where
if you don't like a certain sport, or you don't
like the result from a certain game in a certain sport,
then you can just move on to the next one.
So if you're a big cricket fan, a massive black
Caps fan, and all of a sudden you're thinking, you

(01:07):
know what, maybe I'm not actually a massive black Caps fan,
or at the very least, maybe I'm not a big
fan of this T twenty World Cup. Not to worry.
Super Rugby semi finals are on, And if you're not
a big Blues fan or no worry, because you've got
the Canes Chiefs this afternoon to get excited about. And hey,
if rugby's not your thing, the Euros have started. I
love the Euros so much. I love a big international

(01:30):
football competition for which we can get up in the
morning and watch games at times that aren't always incredibly inconvenient.
My brother in law said to me last night that
he reckoned Germany wasn't going to go very well in
the Euros. And my brother is a brother in law
is a massive, massive football fans. I'm feeling very very
very good this morning in d five to one over Scotland.

(01:50):
Brutal to say the least. So we're going to take
a look at that competition very shortly. Right now, it
is eight minutes past nine, Jack Tame d I sing
the freezer. That's it, that is it? You know, without doubt,
I always thought it was the worst possible domestic chore,
because you know, the tricky thing is, once you've successfully

(02:15):
taken the plug out of the wall, got rid of
the electricity, melted the water, where does it all go?
Where does the water go? I remember my mum running
a system with our big chest freezer when I was
a kid. She needed buckets, she needed pots and pans,
towels and mops, baby baths even and still it took

(02:37):
her the whole weekend. But now you know what, I'm
not totally sure that de icing the freezer is still
top of the pops in miserable domestic jobs. And that
is the kind of sentence only ever uttered by someone
who has recently tried to fill a bean bag. Ugh

(02:58):
bean bags. Having a moment, I reckon they might be
and I just personally figured that having a versatile option
for vegging out in front of the telly might be
quite nice. When I searched them online, there were a
couple of different options for bean bags. For most you
had to buy the bag and then the beans separately.

(03:19):
But if you really wanted, you could spend a little
bit more money and order a bean bag that was
already filled.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Ha.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
I thought, what do they take me for some kind
of sucker bean bags? It turns out actually have two bags.
So you fill the inner bag and then you put
that inside the outer bag. It's easy in principle, not
necessarily in practice. I figured that I would tackle the

(03:46):
job alone as a nice surprise for when my wife
got home. That was my first mistake. I began in
the lounge. That was my second mistake. I laid out
the bean bag in it and snipped the top corner
off the huge bag of beans two hundred liters of them.

(04:06):
As the scissor blades glided through the plastic, it was
kind of like a can of fizzy drink that had
been furiously shaken up. Beans exploded out all over me,
all over the floor, all over the couch, everywhere, and
they seem to have some sort of static electricity attraction,
so even as I picked them off my chest and
tried to sweep them together with my fingers off the carpet,

(04:30):
the beans kind of had a mind of their own.
Twenty minutes down, for my second attempt, I moved into
the kitchen, pinched part of the inner bag and a
kitchen drawer so that I could hold the bag open.
As soon as I started pouring the beans, I inadvertently
relaxed the inner bag, closing the mouth of the opening

(04:53):
and pouring roughly ten thousand bean bags bean bag beans
all over the kitchen floor. It turns out, when you
get on your hands and knees and start trying to
pick up pathetically small but of polystyrene, you get a
new appreciation for just how greasy the kitchen floor actually is.

(05:13):
It made them less staticky, but alas it did not
make them easier to collect. I cut a pitiful figure
when my wife found me scratching around trying to pinch
up the last of the beans from under the fridge.
Another half an hour I'll never get back. If there's

(05:35):
one thing my experience has taught me, filling a bean
bag is a two person job. It's also the kind
of thing where you should really review the instructional video
on YouTube before kicking off. If I'd done that, I
would have known the best place to fill the bean
bag isn't in the lounge or in the kitchen, but

(05:56):
in an empty bath. That way, if there is any spillage,
and trust me, there will be spillage. At the very
least it's contained. Third time was a relative charm. It
wasn't seamless. We still managed to pour liters of beans
onto the floor. I still spend ages on my hands

(06:17):
and knees scrabbling around in the muck. Every time I
thought I'd got them all, I walked out of the
room for a moment and then came back in, only
to discover a couple of rogue beans hiding underneath some furniture.
I feel like they're going to keep popping up for
months at least, though there is an upside. If I
ever feel like a lazy slob for crashing into my

(06:39):
bean bag and vegging out in front of the television,
I can remind myself earnestly, Nah, I had to work
for this. Jack Tatuma ninety two. Ninety two is our
text number. If you're gonna fickus the message this morning.
Don't forget the standard text cost reply. You can email
me as well. Jacket Newstalks, headb dot co, dot Zen
and I reckon. It's a bean bag kind of weekend

(07:00):
between the rugby the cricket. Don't forget. The black Caps
are taking on U Gander just after midday today. Hopefully
they'll win that one. We've got the Worriers this evening
as well. And I'll tell you what if sport isn't
your thing, that's not a big deal either. We've got
a fantastic interview for you after ten o'clock this morning
with the star of this year's Armageddon expert. Armageddon is

(07:22):
on this weekend and John Barrowman is with us. He
played Captain Jack Harness, a heartness rather and doctor who
for years and he's yeah, he's lived a pretty amazing
life for the whole range of really interesting roles. So
he's gonna be with us after ten o'clock this morning.
Kevin Milon's gonna kick us off next Right now, it's
fourteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday morning,

(07:42):
and this is news Talk's EDB A little bit.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Of way to kick off your weekend, then with Jack.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and bepret dot co dot
nz for high quality supplements used Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Oh, thank you for your feedback. A lot of empathy
this morning, which I really appreciate.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Jack.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
That's a classic poor you for goodness sake, though it's
obviously a two person job. I can't stop laughing. Jack,
good morning. Regarding your bean bag filling, the best way
is to add a round about a bucket or two
of foam chips to the beans, really foam chips. The
foam chips attract the beans and it stops the bag
from collapsing. Having done several of them commercially, we found

(08:19):
that it's the best solution to fill up your bean bags,
says Barry from the back paddock. Very good, Jack, I
fully relate. Bean bag filling is an absolute nightmare. Jack says, Fiona,
I discovered a trick to take the static out of
styrene beans. Sprinkle inside the bag some talcum powder. The
beans no longer stick together, and you can pour them easily.
I'm not sure why it works, but it surely does.

(08:41):
That's a great little tip. Okay, thank you very much, Fiona,
Thank you, Barry, thank you everyone who's flicking me in
a message. Ninety two. Ninety two is the text number
if you want to flick me a text. Kevin mill
is with us this morning, kilder Kevin.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
Great laugh, great laugh about the bean bags?

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Have you done it before?

Speaker 6 (08:59):
No? No, I haven't. Actually, I don't think when bean
bags were last fashionable, which is about ninety to sixty now,
I don't think I could afford to buy one.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Oh well, it was quite a sort of desirable item now,
I mean the bean bags are pretty I thought, well,
a pretty reasonably priced compared to other household both.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
Yeah, but I had no money back then.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
No fair enough.

Speaker 6 (09:21):
But that is very, very funny, and it sounds like
a pretty good idea. That about the what was it
you put in with them?

Speaker 4 (09:28):
So you put some foam chips in them? Was one tip.
The other tip was that you put the tal conpowder
in there because because the problem is, they get all staticky.
And so after I'd managed to pull them all over
the floor and then all over the kitchen, when you
go to pick them up, they stick to your hands,
so you pick them up and I'm not very dexterous,
so I'd pick up like like five beans at a
time and then go to transfer them back into the

(09:49):
bean bag. But as I released them to get them
to go into the bean bag, They're just stick to
my hands. God, it was so it was it was
it was like it was a comedy of errors, and
it was one of those things where I just I know,
I'm terrible at stuff like that, so I don't know
why I even tried to tackle it. But I tell
you what I made the time pass a little more
easily was running some podcasts on my phone while I

(10:12):
was doing it, so I could stretch from the menial task.
And that's something you've become rather passionate about, Kevin.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
Yeah, Jack, I love talk shows and interview programs. I
always have. I wish there was a Key Wee talk
show on New Zealand TV. I mean, you do longish
interviews on Q and a but I'm thinking outside.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
Of politics rightly.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
One of my sons asked me a week or two
ago whether i'd listened to you being interviewed a couple
of years ago. I think it was on the Between
two Beers radio Podcasteah. Yeah, and between the Between two
Beers podcasts I think has been going for a couple
of years now, but I had never heard of it.
You know, I'm of a generation really that don't are

(10:54):
not quite really into a podcasts. I think they're actually
videoing the podcast and now say you can see them.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
On YouTube as well.

Speaker 6 (11:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, I listened to you being interviewed
all two hours of it.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Isn't it right?

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Yeah, yeah, it's quite a long interview.

Speaker 6 (11:13):
I mean that's there's a hell of a long interview.
I found it really interesting. I feel I know you
twice as well. Now, two hours may seem a long time,
but time flu. What is it like to be interviewed
for that long by two interviewers?

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah, I mean I really really enjoyed the experience because
they're really there's such thoughtful guys that the two hosts
of Between two Beers, they're really thoughtful, lovely, you know,
inquisitive but quite funny and gentle guys. And yeah, I mean,
you know, dare I say, I'm probably like you know,
a few of us in our industry love talking about ourselves.

(11:52):
Given so yeah, two hours talking about yourself and it
seems to fly by.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
Oh yes, well I thought it was really good. In
credit for the Between two Beers Prodcast has to go
to these as. As you said, these two excellent interviews
Stephen Holloway and Seamus Martin. A lot of older New
Zealanders won't heard of won't have heard of these guys.
Their research is superb and the main thing is they

(12:17):
know when to shut up and let the interview e
tell their story. Their interviews tend to have a sort
of sporting twist of them, though not all of them.
My son told me not to miss their interview with
Mark Stafford. All I knew of Mark Stafford was he
used to be the tabs guy giving us the odds
from the sideline at Big Rugby matches. I've got to say,

(12:41):
I reckon the Between Two Beer's interview with Mark Stafford
is the most extraordinary interview I've heard in years. If
you thought Mark was just that smiling guy who told
you the odds. You couldn't be more wrong. This interview
was one hour long, but packed with so many astounding
life stories from Mark. I don't know Mark at all.

(13:04):
Every revelation was astonishing and sometimes bitterly sad. Yeah you
will have heard that, INDI if you listen to that one.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
No, I haven't yet, but that sounds like a really
good one. I know Mark a bit, so that'll be
that'll be a great one to go listen to.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
Yeah, well, it's unbelievable. You know, a lot of old
broadcasters complain that the days of quality interviews interviews sort
of went out the door with Brian Edwards and Ian
Fraser and now Kim Hill. I can only urge them
to find the Between Two Bears podcasts and first listen
to the Mark Stafford interview. It's gold. Yeah, then have

(13:42):
a listened to some of the others. They're absolutely first class,
including the interview with you Jack.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Oh yeah, thanks, Kevin. I agree. I mean that they
are that they are extraordinary interviews. And it's funny. I
often think about the ways we consume media going in
two directions, because you know, we always talk about TikTok
and Instagram and how people have really short attention spans.
But I actually think that similarly, it's going in the
other direction as well. There's a real appreciation for in depth,

(14:11):
really thoughtful, long form conversations, and that's what podcasts allows,
you know that they allow those really big and you
can be doing something like filling your bean bag, wiling
away a couple of hours and listening to it. It's
absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
I thought it was extraordinary. And you know all about
these things because you're your age. I'm mine. I urge
people my age to start giving these long form interviews
a listen.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Yeah, I agree. It's a really good piece of advice there.
If you want to listen to Between two Beers, you
can find it on iHeartRadio, So just search Between two
Beers on iHeartRadio and you'll be able to find it.
And there are lots of other podcast options as well.
You can kind of listen to them on demand, so
you can just pick it and you can go back
through the old catalog, the whole catalog of different interviews

(15:00):
they've done over the years. It's superbs. So thank you
very much for that, Kevin. We'll make sure we've got
a link up on our website Newstalk SB dot co
dot mz Ford slash Jack so that you can navigate
your way through to those podcasts. Right now, it's twenty
four minutes past.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Nine, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
team on News Talks ab right.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
I want to talk about something that can seriously boost
your day. Be Pure one, the ultimate multi vitamin. B
Pure has just reformulated their hero product because even good
things can be made better. If you're on the hunt
for a multi vitamin to cover all of your bases,
B Pure one is your go to with forty seven
high quality ingredients designed to make a difference you can

(15:47):
actually feel. It's designed to support general well being, energy levels,
and immune health. Each capsule is packed with high strength,
high quality ingredients like the B vitamin complex in its
most active form, vitamins C, D and zinc for everyday
immune support, and two hundred ms of magnesium but bisclycinate,

(16:09):
an easily absorbed form that's gentle on the gut. BP
one is designed to fill potential nutrient gaps in your
diet and support your energy, your vitality, immune health, and
general well being. Every capsule packs a punch. So if
you want to better your health, look for B pure
one multi vitamin, read the label, takers directed, and if

(16:29):
symptoms persist, see your health professional. Jack dam twenty eight
past nine on News Talks. Z'd be your movie packs
for this weekend coming up very shortly, but it's time
to catch up with our sporto Andrew Saville and sav
what a weekend of sport we have. You got your euros,
You've got the black Cats versus Uganda, which I know
is going to have the nation come to a standstill
after mid day today, and of course the Super Rugby semifinals.

(16:51):
Let's start with Super Rugby. The Blues from the word
go last night never never really looked like losing to
the Brumbies. It was. It was an extraordinary start to
the game. The Brummies, you know, worked their way back
into it a little bit, but it always felt like
it was the Blues to lose in the end.

Speaker 8 (17:08):
Yeah, I think the game was pretty much gone after
twenty thirty minutes.

Speaker 9 (17:11):
Jack.

Speaker 8 (17:13):
They let's not forget some of the Brumbies and the
regular season on Eden Park as well, and pretty much
similar story last night. A shame that the crowd wasn't bigger,
but it's a Friday night, or it was a wet
Friday in Auckland and a dance Friday night in Auckland
difficult to get to straight after work and say for
a lot of people. So that was the crowd was disappointing,

(17:34):
I thought. But the rugby was pretty good from the
Blues were very good early on and pretty good overall.
So they will now await the winner of today's this afternoon.
You can see me between the Canes and the Chiefs.
Really interesting match this The Hurricanes beat the Chiefs twice
during the regular season. They're at home. They'll have a

(17:55):
huge amount of crowd support the Hurricanes. But the Chiefs,
they've sort of been forgotten about by a lot of
people flying under the radar. But the way they had
against Queensland last week and are pretty much at full strength.
I've had to wrest all black guys the last few
weeks on and off. They had a few injuries like

(18:16):
every other team. But the Chiefs are pretty much a
full strength, so I'd give them a chance. I'd give
them a real chance of giving the Hurricanes a real crack.
What about them this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (18:25):
What about the Warriors tonight. Do you give them a
chance against the Storm?

Speaker 8 (18:28):
Interesting, isn't I don't think. I don't think the draw
or the timings route past Saturday were they but to
put the rugby union in the big, big semi final
at four thirty in the Warriors is the feature game
at seven thirty. I didn't think I'd ever see the day.
But it's good on them for thinking of the sports
fans in general who want to take them. The Warriors
haven't beaten the Storm. I think it's for nine years,
which is quite remarkable. Gee, if they're going to beat

(18:52):
them now, he's as good a chance as any. Sewn
Johnson coming back into the team might might throw their
plan off a little bit given the way they've been playing,
but Johnson obviously a very good player. So I give
them a big, big chance.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
At home.

Speaker 8 (19:08):
That game has been sold out for weeks. In fact,
I think the Warriors, if they haven't already, are about
to sell out.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Every home games, which so impressive, which is amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that is just a just understanding game. Are you into
the Euros? Do you get into the game.

Speaker 8 (19:25):
I have World Cups and I love European Championships. Premier
League yet, yeah, I've taken interest in that and also
Champions League. But there's something special about especially the international
games on at breakfast time, out of time, getting up
a little bit earlier, taking it in a huge atmospheres.

(19:47):
Obviously in every one of these euro Games because the
fans can gain easier access to these games and say
a World Cup. But the Germans took on Scotland this
morning and looked very German like, didn't they.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
It was just it was it was clinical.

Speaker 8 (20:02):
Every every time they had a chance, they pretty much struck.
Was a five to one.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
I'm going to read you the text conversation with my
brother in law. Okay, So he said, you're excited, You're
fizzing for this weekend. I said, yeah, like about the Euros,
I said, yes, although very gutted about who I ended
up with in the in the work sweepstake. Who did
you get Georgia? That's my team, so not having a
very great Georgia yep. And he and then he said,

(20:29):
I'm pretty sure Germany is honestly worse this year. They
only qualified by default. And then I texted him at
eight fifty eight this morning, after the Germans walked off
that pitch five to one victors and I said dot
dot dot, and he said, yeah, it's probably a good thing.
I'm not a betting man.

Speaker 8 (20:45):
Although Scotland were fairly limited and they had a guy
sent off as well. A nasty challenge in the box,
wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
It was a really nice chance. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (20:56):
I think France will be their typical attacking selves. I
think there's a step I heard yesterday the Germans haven't
made the quarter final stages of their last four major tournaments,
which is very surprising. Yeah, the Germany, but at home
they leave, you know, obviously huge support of the Canes
today and Wellington and no, I'm looking forward to the
rest of the Filman I think as England Serbia Monday morning,

(21:18):
it'll be yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Yeah, yeah, seven a Monday morning TV. Hey are you
are you a bean bag man?

Speaker 8 (21:26):
I used to be, probably as a kid when they were,
you know, in fashion.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Well, I think they're back in fashion.

Speaker 8 (21:34):
But now some of us, some of us of a
certain vintage and bone structure, have difficulty, have difficulty getting
out of them.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
I was going to say the getting in is fine, right,
it's the getting getting out.

Speaker 8 (21:48):
Nowadays, when I get out of it when I get
out of a bean bag, it's like watching a paratrooper
and on the ground.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Very good. Hey, thanks for your time This morning, asked
Porto Andrews savil Jack. I volunteered to fill fourteen bean
bags for the common room at my kids boarding school.
I mean that's a terrible, terrible thing to do. Fourteen, Okay,
about eight of them when you all the others needed
major top ups. I hate to break it to you,

(22:18):
but yes, the beans still compress inside bean bags. This
was a whole weekend's job, an absolute nightmare, despite using
my bathtub. The worst part was when putting them all
back into the school. A small eight year old came
up to us and said, I know, I have no
idea why you've bothered doing that. We're just going to
try and pop the bean bags as soon as you leave.
Oh great. Ninety two ninety two is our text number.

(22:39):
If you want to get in touch, be fourteen o'clock.
This morning, cook Nicky Wicks is looking at some really
simple tips if you're gluten free for having or accessing
really good gluten free products and incorporating more gluten free foods,
A wider range of gluten free foods into your life.
So she's gonna be with us before teen. Right now
it is twenty five minutes too.

Speaker 10 (23:00):
Oh, I'm asking baby be you with Jack Saim through
the midday.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Jack totally agree with Kevin's comments this morning. Absolutely love
the Between Two Beers podcasts. It's brilliant. You got to
listen to the one with Mark Allis. I'm gut and
Beal's fantastic as well.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
Jack.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
I agree with Kevin. I I came in kind of
late to podcasts, but Between Two Beers I love sport
and they've got some amazing interviews with the likes of
Karen Reid and Ryan Fox. Steve Chu was really interesting
as well. Thanks for that, and thanks for your text
regarding beanbags. Heaves of them are come through. So if
you are thinking of getting a bean bag, I'm gonna

(23:53):
share with you all of the top tips that the
crowd sourced advice for you this morning. Right now, though,
it is time to get our movie picks for this weekend,
the thing you'll be watching when relaxing in your beanbag
and Francesla Rudkin as well. One Haterncesca, good morning. You're
quite a tasteful person, do you feel like bean bags
are having a moment, having a moment. Yeah, I sort

(24:17):
of feel like they're sort of back in you know,
they sort of. There was about nineteen sixty eight they
were hot, and now twenty twenty four, bean bags are back, Baby.

Speaker 11 (24:25):
No, bean bags have been back for a while, actually, Jack,
it depends on the age of the people that live
in your home, but especially outdoor bean bags have been
back for a while.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Outdoor bean bags definitely have been a thing for a while.
But I reckon your indoor bean bags are sort of.

Speaker 12 (24:41):
You if you should get in an out of the
bean bag, Jack, Yes, yes, when we're talking about your
indoors versus your outdoors, really it's the inversus out In another.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Sense that matters. The Dockage Film Festival is kicking off
and we're gonna have a look at a couple of
films that are screening. There. Such an amazing festival, and
I mean, I'm an absolute sucker for documentary, so I
love it. Let's start off with how are the Ashes
than Dust? Tell us about it?

Speaker 11 (25:09):
Okay, So this is directed by Adam Lao who is
a video journalist. He lived and lived in Hong Kong
and he starts off this documentary by giving us a
quick stree lesson about how the UK transferred seigny back
to China in nineteen ninety seven. They had the sort
of one country tru system principle. He looks at how

(25:30):
in twenty and fourteen, Beijing started to sort of exert
influence on the governance of Hong Kong and they declared
that they wanted to approve candidates to lead Hong Kong
and things, and the people very much became very concerned that,
you know, that they wouldn't have transparent elections, and the
umbrella movement began. I'm sure people will remember the footage

(25:52):
of this. Then we kind of step up to twenty
nineteen and this is when that movement kind of grew again,
and I'm sure once again a lot of people will
remember the footage that came out of Hong Kong for
rebuties for pretty much over the space of the year.
And the reason that the movement stepped up was because
there was a murder case and China decided that they

(26:15):
would make an amendment to an existing law but meant
that a Hong Kong citizen could be tried in Taiwan
or in China if they felt free to in Hong
Kong people. Of course, we're very concerned about this because
China has quite different approach to human rights than they do.
And this led to a year of protest. So Andy
Law was part of this. He captured as he captured
the twenty fourteen protests, and he was right in the

(26:37):
middle of the twenty and nineteen protests. And I'm going
to be honest with you, Jack, this is absolutely exhausting,
this documentary, and it's just non stop starts as protests.
He takes you along with June as he started with protests,
with millions of people walking peacefully in the streets, singing together,
all coming together. At the end of these protests, the

(26:59):
young people would stay behind and they would clear up
all the mess on the roads because this was their home.
This is they loved Hong Kong. If you sort of
follow this protest throughout the year, it becomes riots, you
follow the police brutality. There are moments where the protesters
get out of control and beat the police. He captures
all this and it gets to a point at the

(27:20):
end whereby you know, Hong Kong City, Hong Kong is
just a collection of barricades where demonstrators and protesters rioters,
what if you'd like to call them a stuck in
places there are arrests going on, people are disappearing, and
he just takes you on this journey to show you
how how to control the God, at the same time
asking the question, what's my role as a journalist. I'm

(27:42):
standing here living, but I'm you know, I'm getting PTSD,
I'm getting shot at, I'm dealing with this toxics, tear gas.
So it's very much a tribute to those who have
been arrested, who are still undergoing court cases, who maybe
you know, we see or we don't see very often.
It is very much a tribute. This film comes together

(28:03):
really as sort of a tribute to the people who
put their lives on the line to fight for what
they really truly believed in and human rights in Hong Kong.
But my goodness, it's an exhausting journey getting going through this.
It's a really interesting firsthand look at just how as
humans we escalate and get out of control, and how

(28:24):
the Hong Kong governants sort of dug their feet in
and you know, and keep trying to happy.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Really fascinating yeah, okay, great sons. It sounds super interesting.
So that's rather be ashes than dust. And the great
thing about the Dockage Film Festival, of course, is that
they have lots of different stories. So for something completely different,
tell us about charcot Ah.

Speaker 11 (28:44):
So this is the story of legendary t We's League
player Mark Graham, and the documentary is made by his son,
Luke Graham, and it celebrates Mak's incredible, amazing career. He
was one of the toughest ever players to be on
a league field and I think league lovers league fans

(29:04):
will absolutely love it. Theirs a focus on certain games
and certain series such as the Kiwis Kangaroo series in
nineteen eighty five. All the big names of league feature
in this documentary telling stories, telling us what was going
on behind the scenes. Graham low plays a large part,
of course, in the documentary, because he played a large
party Mark Graham's career. At the beginning of the film,

(29:27):
Luke sister his dad, hey, do you know why we're
making this film, And it's really clear that Mark Graham
is a reluctant player in this documentary and he said,
you're my son. This is going to be great for
your career, and I'm going to do anything I can
to help you. And he looks at and goes, but, hey, Notes,
I don't think anyone's going to watch this. I really
don't think anyone's going to watch this. But I'll help

(29:49):
you out. But I don't think anyone's going to watch it.
I think a lot of people are going to watch
it because it's not just a league story. It's also
a film that looks at the sacrifice is made to
be a professional amateur sports person. You know, the strain
at check on his body, the strain at check on
his family. Mike separated from the it's mother when he
was ten, and you know, Mark was superman to Luke,

(30:12):
but he was an absent father. He was not around
a lot. And it's this beautiful story of father and
son kind of coming together later in life. Also had
to deal with a terrible family tragedy. So it's sort
of also this lovely tribute to sons trying to make
their fathers proud of them.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Yeah, it's sort of.

Speaker 11 (30:31):
Yeah, it's a family story as well as an incredible
league story. The footage of the league Jack like the
other day watching you know, Reece whilsh get taken out
in the say of Bargin. I was sitting at home horrified.
Now that was nothing.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Footage film rugby league in the eighties, especially just that
it was just basically grievous, bodily harm a round. Yeah,
so that's sharko. That sounds that sounds fantastic. And I
don't want to give too much away, but I'm very
pleased to announce that we're going to be talking to
Mark and Luke Graham next weekend. On said the warning,
So cannot wait for that.

Speaker 11 (31:08):
Yeah, no, I'll definitely listen. Mark is a quiet gentleman.
He doesn't say a lot. Yeah, he's a real gentleman.
He doesn't want attention. He was a successful lead player,
just wants to get on with his life.

Speaker 13 (31:19):
Now.

Speaker 11 (31:19):
Hey, look, docge dot in z as where you go.
Forty three feature films is going to be christ to
its Wellington balk home. Outside of that, you can do
the virtual cinema that kicks off on the subject of July.
So go checkat Docage dot Z.

Speaker 6 (31:31):
So good true.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
I know that one of those other films that is
showing at dock Edge is Citizen Sleuth, which is follows
a story of a true crime podcaster from Appalatia blurring
the line between fact and entertainment as she sort of
investigates a mysterious local death. And I know that you
guys have the filmmaker and the podcaster. The film was
about on the show tomorrow for the Sunday session, So

(31:53):
that'll be superb Thank you so much, Francisca doc edge
dot in z is the website. We'll make sure we
put it on our website as well. Fourteen to ten
on news Doorg ZB.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Saturday Mornings with Jack t keep him a conversation going
through the weekend with bpure dot Cott insre for high
quality supplements used dogs eNB oh.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
But it's the teen on news Dog ZB and our
Cochnicki Wix is here and celebrating Celiac Awareness Week. We're
almost at the end of it. But this is the
sort of thing like gluten free stuff is obviously increasingly
in demand, and you know, it seems to affect so
many people, it really does.

Speaker 14 (32:31):
Jack.

Speaker 15 (32:31):
To be diagnosed with Celiac is a terrible, terrible thing.
And unfortunately what has also happened is there's a whole
lot of people out there who are not celiac, but
are subscribing to a gluten free diet for whatever reason
or wheat free. So it's kind of buddy the water
is a little bit, but Celiac disease is serious, and

(32:51):
it's you know, havingifications to those bearing with sufferers, and
you know, you really need to get tested in that
sort of thing if you've got any of the symptoms,
which are you know, extreme fatigue, which is about sixty
percent of the population anyway, but a bloating like terrible reaction,
and ultimately you're not able to actually absorb nutrients from food,

(33:14):
which that's where we forget. We think food is about
fun and entertainment, but actually it's about supplying our bodess.
It's our body, yeah, exactly. So yeah, this week is
all about celebrating that, so I thought we'd talk a
little bit about it in terms of their focus this year,
which I love for their awareness week is about looking
out for people who've got Celiac disease. So you know

(33:37):
that means work functions, you know, when you're catering, when
you take a morning tea and you know, really what
you want to do is try and eliminate or if
you've got someone coming over for dinner. They're not picky eaters.
This is the thing. I've got a good neighbor and
she's gluten free. But then trying to she's Celiac. But
what Trying to sort of wheedl that out of here
is actually quite difficult because nobody wants to be a problem.

(33:59):
So I'll say, so, is this swy or cocaine because
I know some of it has barley and it oh
it's fine, and it's like, well, it's.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Not going to be fine, it's going to it. Yeah.

Speaker 15 (34:10):
So yeah, so looking out for those other people. They
are not it's not a choice. They're not just having
a dietary preference here. It's actually really serious. So what
do you want to avoid if you've got somebody in
your your friend group or your work group who is
identifying with Celiac? Is that avoid wheat?

Speaker 5 (34:27):
Now?

Speaker 15 (34:28):
Wheat is basically flour all whites and whole grain flower ballei,
which is in beer, so you know, and it's also
in some soy milks, rye, which is often found in biscuits,
or you know, because a lot of cereals are kind
of bulking agents, or a lot of these grains are
and also oats, which of course are in things like
porridge and zex that sort of thing. So you want

(34:48):
to avoid that. There is really fantastic products out these days.
I don't know what people did in the old days
to avoid gluten. I suspect they just suffered a lot, right, Yeah,
they would have been having terrible cramps and all sorts
of awful bowl shoes.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
I also just wonder if it's the sort of thing
we've only kind of become aware of recently, or if
actually instances have really increased, you know, like if the
you know, the number of people are getting it, being
diagnosed with it has massively increased.

Speaker 15 (35:18):
Yes, and I'm I'm not sure about that. Certainly we
now have so much more gluten in our diet. And also, yes,
is that tipping people over the edge? And also back
in the day, there wouldn't have been the tests because
it's actually a protein. Gluten is the protein you see. Yeah,
so you need to be you need to have feely,
you know, sophisticated tastes for it. Anyway, have we got

(35:40):
time to run through a little research.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
I've got time, but we don't have heaps of time,
So let's go fast and then remind me online as well.

Speaker 15 (35:47):
Yeah, all right, here's some wraps that you can make
at home, super easy. They can be used as tacos,
as wraps for lunch, savory crapes, all that sort of stuff.
Take two tea spoons of cuban seeds and toast them
off in a pan, no oil needed, and then we've
got one cup of I've used fresh Life chickpea flour.
Binin also has really great different types of flour. One

(36:08):
cup of water, so that's equal amounts, one tablespoon of oil,
good pinch of salt. Whisk that all up, and you
want to make sure it's a nice smooth batter, and
then leave it to sit for thirty minutes because it'll
thicken up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Greaze a pan.

Speaker 15 (36:23):
You don't need to run butter around it, just greeze
it lightly and then you want This makes about six
so about quarter of a cup of the batter. Pour
it in, Swirl it around like you do when you're
making crapes. Cook it for two to three minutes. Little
bubbles will appear, and then flip it over cook it
for another one to two minutes. These are really really fantastic.

(36:43):
Jack they really do hold hold your fillings. A lot
of things collapse because glutin is a protein that's stretch you.
But these are really great, so you know, make those
next time you've got an afternoon tea or your you know,
your Celiac friend coming over.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
It's really good. Yeah, very good. Okay, Well we'll make
sure that recipe is at Newstork's head b dot co
dot nz Ford slash Jack and the other place to
go if you're looking for more tips or recipes, suppliers,
the latest medical data, that kind of thing. For people
who are gluten free or Celiac, go to Celiac dot
org dot.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Enz giving you the inside scoop on all you need
to us Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame and Bepure dot
co dot nz for high quality supplements newstalks.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Be so I'm gluten full and that I don't have
any issues with gluten. I'm very fortunate in that respect.
But one thing I always think about gluten free foog
is because I remember when you started seeing more of
it on the shelves and stuff. I always that, oh,
it's going to not be very nice. A gluten free
cake is delicious. So if you're ever on off a shout,
or it's a colleague's birthday and you decide to get

(37:47):
them a cake, go gluten free because often they use
almond meal instead of flour, and when you use almond meal,
it's always richer, it's always more moist. Dare I say,
which it's delicious. So my big thing is gluten free
cakes into it in a big way. Thank you for
your feedback. We have had gazillions of messages regarding bean bags.

(38:07):
I'm just glad that I'm not the only one who's
had an issue with a beanbag.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
Jack.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
I filled my beanbag outside on a sunny day. There
were so many beans on the lawn that I decided
to vacuum them up. Cue my husband advising my kids
that yes, I'd finally lost the plot. He took a photo.
He didn't tell me. He sent the whole family a picture,
not explaining why I was vacuuming the lawn. Yeah, I
feel me on that one. N ninety two. If you

(38:33):
want to flick us a message our feature interview after
ten Captain Jack Harkness from Doctor Who John Barrowman is
in the Country. News is next. Though it's almost ten,
it's Saturday, morning. I'm Jack Tame and this of course
is News Talks.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Jack Day and Bpure dot co dot inza for high
quality supplements, Newstalks, EDB.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Cal Don't you were jactating on news Talks, hed B.
Mackyest this morning is actor John Barrowman, who became an
instant hit with sci fi fans around the world when
he made his debut on Doctor Who back in two
thousand and five, almost twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Now.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
His character Captain Jack Harkness's popularity saw him become a
recurring presence in the BBC series, and he later took
center stage in the successful spin off series Torch Would.
He starred in superhero series Arrow and found huge success
in theater roles on Broadway and the West End. John
Barrowman is currently in New Zealand for this weekend's pop

(39:59):
culture convention Armageddon, and he's with us this morning.

Speaker 16 (40:02):
Calder, good morning, good morning, good morning, and it's the
sunny day here in Auckland. It's absolutely fabulous.

Speaker 17 (40:08):
John.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
I know you've been here before. You know, you might
have been here a couple of times, but You've got
to be very careful when you're promising anything when it
comes to the weather in Auckland at this time of year.

Speaker 16 (40:20):
I have been here in the summertime, and i've been
here in the winter. I've been to the South Island
in the winter and it's funny. Everybody says, oh, it's
freezing cold, it's going to be freezing. We actually find
it quite mild here, even though you guys might find
it cold. So it's a welcome break from the one
hundred and twenty five degree about you know heat in

(40:40):
California that's happening right now.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
So yeah, yeah, I get that fair enough. It's a
welcome reprieve at this time of year. I don't know
how how you feel your kind of national allegiances being
pulled in every which direction these days? By any chance?
Are you a football fan?

Speaker 17 (40:57):
Uh?

Speaker 16 (40:58):
Well, are you acting that because of Scotland.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Or yeah, yeah, because of Scotland. This morning it's it's
a very difficult time to be a Scottish football fan.

Speaker 16 (41:06):
Well, I mean, has it not always been a difficult
times football fan? This is I think, I think what's
I think what's great at the moment is uh and
I haven't been following it as closely as probably I should,
you know, being at my country of birth. But I
know this is an opportunity for the team from Scotland
to either step out and become one of those historic

(41:26):
national teams that takes the reins and does something brilliant,
or they can step into the realm of being a
team that has uh you know, they they don't do
as well as they thought, but the fact of the
matter is it's bringing people together and it's exactly like
what we do in the convention world. We bring people
together to celebrate something that we really love. See the

(41:48):
way I did.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
That, Yeah, that was very slak. That was very very
very smooth. Look if if if you get sick of
the acting world, you could always you know, do a
bit more presenting, you know, just these kind of these
kind of see ways are invaluable in business.

Speaker 16 (42:02):
They're good, No, But I wish them the best of
luck because as always it's the big games like that
that and I know Germany are on the tenderfoots and
are you know, with all that kind of stuff. So
I wish Scotland the best of luck. Gonya say all
lives the the country proud.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think they're gonna need every
little sliver of luck that anyone can wish them after
this morning. Anyway, what is it? What's it like for you?
Just see? Give us, give us some context, what it's
like traveling across the world and seeing how much love
there is still for a show like Doctor Who, well,

(42:41):
it just.

Speaker 16 (42:41):
Goes to prove that a show that tells stories that
people can relate to, and that audiences can relate to,
and people can see themselves in the characters, not only
with Doctor Who, but Torch would and other you know,
superhero generated type shows, I say, or fantasy shows, science

(43:02):
fiction shows. But the fact of the matter that you know,
you can come somewhere like uh to Auckland, or you
can be in uh, some place in Australia, even even
however remote it is. I was in a restaurant last
night here in Auckland, having dinner, sitting chatting, and we
were talking to a young person who was from She

(43:24):
was not a native of of New Zealand, but they
had emigrated and we were sitting chatting and talking and
she looked at me and she said, you look an
awful lot like and you know, I chuckled, So you
get recognized all over the world. And the fact that
you know, uh, it's still popular, the stories are still

(43:45):
being told. It's just incredible. It's the gift that keeps
on giving. That's the only way I can describe it.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
And is there any way you can distill the magic?
But what what is it? What is it for a
show like Doctor Who or Torch With that that really
has you know, that is connected with people in an
enduring way.

Speaker 16 (44:01):
Well, I think, like I said, I think it's the
fact that anybody sitting watching it can see themselves in
those characters that are represented on on television. And we
were probably our generation of Doctor Who and also Torch Would.
We were the ones who were first to bring those

(44:23):
characters to light. They were flawed, they were they they
they did things that were wrong, they did the you know,
they tried to save the day, they didn't succeed or
they did succeed. And also we were representing different types
of people. We had, you know, a married couple, we
had single individuals. We had somebody who was you know,
we called Captain Jack at that time omnisexual, but clearly

(44:46):
he was he was gay or bisexual, and it was.
It was really stepping out and representing in a way
that had never been represented on television, particularly myself being
an openly gay man who was playing an you know,
an omnisexual hero on television. It was a big, big deal.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
It's funny, right because you can kind of, you know,
when you think about progress that has been made for
rainbow communities in the last few decades, it's sort of
easy to take that, you know, that kind of role
and that kind of prominence for granted, but but that
that must have been something you were very very aware
of at the time. Was it when when you when
you first started playing Captain Jack? Was that was that something?

(45:28):
Did you feel anxiety about it?

Speaker 9 (45:30):
No?

Speaker 16 (45:31):
I didn't, actually, because when I was in an interview
I said something. It was one of the episode, was
the episode where Jack kissed the doctor and Rose and
somebody said, do you realize In the interview, I said something,
They said, do you realize you've just come out? And
I went, have I ever been in you know, I've
I've lived my life. I've tried to you know, you

(45:51):
don't some people feel they don't have to wear a
banner saying you know what what their their who their
true self is. But others do and that's the that's
the beauty of our community. We help others, uh to
stand up and to be themselves. But also it's you know, yeah,
I don't think I had anxiety over it. You know,

(46:13):
obviously people had said to me, your career is going
to tank if you come out. Well, you know what,
I'd rather have a career that's a roller coaster and
and take some risks because I want to live my life.
I want to be myself. I want to introduce my husband,
my now husband, to the world. I don't want to hide.
I want to have relationships like everybody else. I want
to have fun. And that was part of why I

(46:36):
did it, But you know, more so in the show,
the writing was the one that you know, Russell and
the team of writers, they were the ones who kind
of launched into it. And really the audience and the
press kind of when did that just happen? You know,
and it was it was something that was you know,
they we everyone was like, oh, okay, so this is

(46:59):
the route we're going. But what's great is now there's
a whole new generation of young people who may not
know the history of of what happened. But now they're
seeing the doctor who is who is uh you know,
I think he's he's represented as being uh you know,
I want to say gay, but if I'm incorrect, I apologize.

Speaker 14 (47:21):
Sho.

Speaker 6 (47:23):
Sorry.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 16 (47:26):
So there's a whole new generation who think, oh this
is the new and it's great, but you know, there
is a history. Like everything, there is a history that
leads us to this point and we can't forget that history.

Speaker 6 (47:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Hey, you released an album last year right Seen to
Stage I did that was made with the Royal Philharmonical Orchestra.
How did that come about?

Speaker 16 (47:45):
Well, I literally I tried to do an album every
couple of years and it was the first musical theater
album I've done in a very very long time, and
I wanted the songs to represent a journey in my
career through musical theater and television and entertainment and all
related to the stage and the Royal Philharmonic. If we

(48:06):
just approached them myself and Matt brind my musical director,
and got hold, they were there and it's, if I
could say so, it's just an amazing, incredible album And
to listen to it with the lush orchestrations, and to
know that I have the Philharmonic behind me, it's just incredible.

Speaker 6 (48:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Yeah, Yeah, it's really special, isn't it. How do you
feel about the kind of trajectory of entertainment and how
musical theater fits into that, because for our listeners who
might not know you have you have a rich history
in musical theater. Obviously you've had, you know, big screen
roles as well. But do you think that musical theater
is kind of as as relevant, as prominent, as popular

(48:46):
as it has always been, or in the Netflix era,
do you think it's perhaps not not holding the place
it once did.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Well.

Speaker 16 (48:53):
Musical theater I think is even more prominent now than
it has been because you've got shows like Shmiga Dune,
you've got other other TV shows. I was just seeing
an episode of The Boys the other night. Yeah, and
there's musical numbers incorporated in most shows now, and I
think that's the that audiences people realize and networks realize

(49:16):
that people want to be entertained and to throw snippets
of different types of entertainment into programming and also, uh
in you know, things that you're watching really gives it
some diversity.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
And also, you.

Speaker 16 (49:29):
Know, music is an extension in musical theater. When we
can't speak what we feel, we sing it. And that's
also where people are realizing, because what do you do
when you're by yourself in the house and you're happier,
you're joyful, You sing, You sing someone else's song, you
hum a tune. So again, it's reflecting what people actually do.
And I know people will go, oh, we don't walk
around singing, Well you kind of do, you just don't want.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
To admit it.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that. So what's the plan
for Amagadden this weekend?

Speaker 16 (49:58):
Well, it's the plan is it's all about the fan family,
and it's about having uh celebrating diversity, celebrating uh tea
TV shows, pop culture, and we're gonna have a lot
of fun. I've got my panel, which I you know,
cosplay myself in a kind of a gender bending way
of something and some of the shows that I've been in,

(50:20):
so I do that. It's going to be like an
hour of stand up and then we do autograph signings
and we have an event tonight. So it's a packed weekend.
And if it's raining, outside. Come on and see us
because it's always warm and sunny indoors when we're doing
one of the conventions and Armageddon Yeah fantastic.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Hey, look, it's so good to have you back in
New Zealand and thank you very much for giving us
your time. And I hope you can enjoy today.

Speaker 17 (50:44):
I will.

Speaker 16 (50:45):
And it's really lovely to be back. I enjoy coming
here and it's lovely to be welcomed with you know
all that New Zealand love.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Fantastic, bet is John Barrowman. The Armagidney Expo has kicked
off today. It's on well, kicked off yesterday. I think
Winter Geddon the Calding it this year. It's in Auckland's
Showgrounds until six pm tonight and then tomorrow from nine
till five as well. You can go to armagedonexpo dot
com for all of the details. Before eleven o'clock on

(51:12):
news Talk Z'DB, we're getting into the throes of the
coldest months of the year and that means that food
is pretty scarce for the birds in our backyards. We're
going to talk to our man on the garden who
has some advice on what you do or what you
should do if you want to feed the birds, but
also some cautionary advice. There are some things you really
shouldn't do if you're looking to support some of the

(51:36):
wildlife in your backyard as well. So he'll be with
us very soon. Next up, though, if you're looking for
a nice relaxing weekend on the couch, you're looking for
something good to watch after all of the amazing sport
this weekend, good news three shows to recommend to you
in our screen time segment. Right now it's twenty past ten.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
To start your weekend off in style.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and Bepure dot code on
inst for high quality supplements, use talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
If you want to get in touch this morning, you
can do so extremely easily. Ninety two ninety two is
our text number if you want to send me a
message this morning. Of course you can email me if
you want to send me a longer one jacket Newstalk
zb dot co dot nz. Before ten o'clock this morning,
we were talking about podcasts and the amazing range of
really interesting podcasts that you can access these days. Do

(52:23):
you know we now publish this show as a podcast.
The entire thing So if you wanted to go back
and listen to the show again and again and again,
as I can only imagine you do, it's very easy.
Just go to whatever app you use to access podcasts,
or go to iHeartRadio search Jack Tame and you should
be able to find it. Right now, it is twenty

(52:45):
three minutes past ten. If you're looking for something good
to watch or stream this weekend, good news. Tara Reward,
our screen time expert, has her recommendations. Hey Tara, good morning. Okay,
three very different shows to talk about. Let's start off
with a show that's streaming on three now. Tell us
about Red Eye.

Speaker 18 (53:03):
Yeah, if you're looking for something a bit far fetched
and but also quite enjoyable this weekend, this is My wreck.
This is Red Eye. It's a British thriller and it's
about an English doctor who is returning from a work
trip to China and when he lands in the UK,
he's arrested for murder and is extradited back on a
flight to China to face his crime. Now, the doctor

(53:23):
says he's innocent, he says he's being framed and on
the flight back. Most of the show takes place on
the plane itself where things start to happen. There are
mysterious deaths, there are poisonings, and the detective who's taking
the doctor on the flight has to try and work
out what's going on. And it's that whole idea that
you know, you're on this confined space for several hours.
How can all these strange things be happening?

Speaker 16 (53:44):
Now?

Speaker 18 (53:44):
The thing about Red Eye is that you will need
to suspend disbelief big time. Things happen in this that
are completely implausible. There are so many plot holes. But
I think if you go in with lower expectations. It's
not Sunday Masterpiece theater. This is a fun little thriller.
It's fast paced, it's bingeable, it's entertaining. It's a bit
of fun that you shouldn't take too seriously.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Nice, Okay, cool. It's on three now. The show is
called red Eye on Disney Plus. Under the Bridge.

Speaker 18 (54:11):
Yeah, a much more darker, more serious drama this time.
This is a true crime series and it's based on
a murder that took place in nineteen ninety seven and
British Columbia and Canada. And the show follows a journalist
who's writing a book about a Foster Home for girls
in her hometown and what it's like to be one
of these teenagers. And at the same time as she's
writing the book, a local teenager goes missing and has

(54:33):
found murdered, and the journalist starts to realize that the
girls that she's interviewing from the Foster Home are linked
to the crime. It stars Lily Gladstone actually Punjabi from
The Good Fight, and Riley Keoh who was in Daisy
in the Sixth So it's got a great cast and
it's quite a heavy story, of course, because the crime
was quite shocking at the time, and you know, it
has this sort of fitting gloomy and dark feel to it,

(54:56):
but also quite compelling as well. And I think if
you like those dark true crime dramas like The Staircase
or The Act or Under the Banner of Heaven, I
think you'll enjoy this as well.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Cool okay, and the show that I love on Netflix
Tour de France Unchained.

Speaker 18 (55:11):
Yeah, this is back for a second season. This is
one of the most exciting shows on Netflix, I think.
And if you've seen Drive to Survive, which is Netflix's
show about Formula one, this is like Drive to Survive
but for the Tour de France. It's made by the
same production team, similar kind of structure, and it's a
documentary series that takes you behind the scenes of the
Tour de France bike race. It follows about I think
about ten teams through the race and talks to the riders,

(55:33):
to the coaches, to the people and the cars driving
behind the paloton. You really get to know the people involved,
and it's just full of so much action and drama
from the race. It makes it feel like you're actually
there writing with them. The camera work is amazing, the
crashes are spectacular. It shows how dangerous it is, and
I think the best thing about the show is that
you don't need to know anything about cycling to enjoy this.

(55:54):
You can just pick it up as you go along
and you will be an expert by the end of it.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
So what are we going to call these kind of shows?
Don't you think we're at the point now where we
need to we need to give the genre a bit
of a name. Yeah, it's like sport your mentor or
something A yeah, because.

Speaker 18 (56:10):
It's not kind of a historic looking back on something.
It puts you in the moment and as if you're there,
which I think is kind of that new, exciting, fast paced,
adrenaline kind of sports.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
See.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Yeah, it's funny, right because I so I really enjoy
the Tour de France, and I don't know why, but
I always sort of watch it. And you know, when
when the first season of this came out, I knew
what the results were, and I kind of knew, you know,
the kind of main storylines from the from the Tour
de France, and yet I still found it really compelling.

(56:41):
And I think that's the amazing thing about this, and
it's the same with Drive to Survive, is they've managed
to make it interesting for people who are already fans
of the sport exactly whilst at the same time introducing
millions more people to it, right because even if you're
not a big cycling fan or you're not a big
motorsport fan, you can kind of appreciate the drama A yeah.

Speaker 18 (57:05):
Yeah, And it's not easy to strike the balance without
sort of appearing kind of condescending to the real cycle
fans who you know a lot about it, but also
keeping those strangers to the sport invested and you know,
coming back to it going to that next episode.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Yeah, here it's intriguing ae sports you mentory or something
like that. It's funny though, because because there's a bit
of a pushback a like in IF one, for example,
maxistaff And still isn't taking part in Drive to Survive
even though he's the top driver in the world right now.
He just doesn't want to go near it because he
was unhappy about have his portrayed early on and that

(57:40):
kind of thing. And so yeah, it's it's interesting, you know,
and I think some of the purists in these sports
would say, oh, well, it's trivializing the sport or something
like that, but.

Speaker 18 (57:49):
Taking the mystery out of it as well.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Yeah, you might just want to keep.

Speaker 18 (57:51):
Those things secret and private. Yeah, everyone to know what's
going on.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
It's funny anyway, Thank you so much, really appreciate it. Tara.
That is Tara Reward, our screen time expert person with
one of the best jobs in the world watching heagus
the TV shows so she can recommend her favorites to
us those shows once again. Red Eye is on three now,
Under the Bridge is on Disney Plus, Tour de France
Unchained is on Netflix. Before eleven o'clock, We're going to

(58:16):
catch up with our doctor, Brian Betty. He wants to
talk to us this morning about ADHD. It's had a
whole lot of prominence lately, so he wants to well
to break down some of the details behind ADHD diagnoses
and the things to look out for if you think
you or someone in your life might be experiencing ADHD.
So he's gonna be with us very soon. It's almost
ten thirty.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Getting your weekend started.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks.

Speaker 19 (58:45):
B Right, my Mind, Dear Right, Party stunts, Nu Chop
on me, Funny jun give up my man, funny to
me on my name, my Mind, Bonny j Side, Phenny,
Santu me Bye line, Planny, trying to pick me out?

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Jug you right?

Speaker 4 (59:07):
This is cool, a ah, so good. This is Thames.
Her full name is Tamlaid Open a year. She's from Lagos, Nigeria,
and she's kind of proven herself to be a big
part of the pop landscape, although it was taken a while.
She was kind of around, you know, on the edges

(59:28):
on the verge of stardom for a wee while back
in twenty twenty two, she won a Grammy and then
she featured in Marvel's Black Panther soundtrack album, and so
it kind of exploded from there. She's just been announcing
the lineup for Glastonbury at the end of this month,
which is great. And she's just dropped a brand new
eighteen track album called Borne in the Wild. That's our

(59:49):
album of the week, So we're going to listen to
that after eleven o'clock this morning and get our music
reviewers thoughts on that. I know it's going to really
it's kind of a unique sound day. So yeah, looking
forward to listening to a bit more Thames. Right now,
it is twenty seven minutes to eleven. You were Jack Taman.
This is New York ZB putting the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Tough questions to the newspeakers. The Mic Hosking.

Speaker 20 (01:00:09):
Breakfast Retirement Commission has got a bunch of ideas to
boost our QV Saber potterufhol contribution should be rising from
three to four percent. Employers match that. Sam Stubbs, founder
of course of the Q Saber scheme Simplicity, is back
with us. Her ideas and your ideas do they align
broadly or not?

Speaker 9 (01:00:23):
Not perfectly? Mike, I mean, I think she wants contributions
to rise one percent, but if you look at OZI,
they're paying twelve percent. So if the Aussies have got
five times our population, but they've got thirty five times
our savings, so we're not saving nearly enough. But she
has to introduce this idea gradually because you know, to
across the living crisis. She is to say that you
accept the contributions to go from three to twelve per cent.

Speaker 8 (01:00:42):
Everybody would laugh.

Speaker 20 (01:00:44):
Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Jaguar Newstalk zed.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
B twenty four to eleven non Newstalk ZEDB. Microsoft has
effectively put the launch of one of its big new
AI features on hold because of security concerns. This isn't
the first time it's happened with the launch of new AI.
All these big companies are rushing out. There are various
AI products, but not everything's been perfect in our text.
But Paul Stenhouse, here's the details of Microsoft's issues. Hey Paul,

(01:01:13):
good morning.

Speaker 21 (01:01:14):
Yeah, it's such a hot topic at the moment, and
every company wants to be seen as the leader, largely
to the eyes of Wall Street, if I'm being honest, JET,
because they see that AI is the next big thing
and they know that open AI is at the moment
the leader, so they're kind of thinking, which are these
big tech companies, the Microsoft's, the Googles, the Metas are
going to be the one to kind of take this

(01:01:35):
to the masses. And yeah, Microsoft had really big on
AI with their new co pilot Plus PCs. I mentioned
these some when they launched, or when they first announced them.
First of all, they need a branding update because copilot
Plus is a mouthful, but these computers were basically designed
with AI in mind. That was the whole thing. And

(01:01:55):
one of the big features that they wanted to launch
was called Recall. Now it basically takes screenshots of everything
you're doing on your computer, right, so anything you're you've typed,
or anything you've seenes or so. Think of it as
like a web browsing history, but kind of on steroids
and across every application you have on your computer. And

(01:02:18):
I've had to put that on hold. I've had to
basically say we're not going to launch this because it's
just kind of riddled with issues. And Microsoft last week
had said that it was not going to be turned
on by default, right, so they basically had already admitted that, Okay,
we see that, you know, maybe not everybody wants this
new feature turned on.

Speaker 22 (01:02:38):
You're going to have to opt in.

Speaker 21 (01:02:39):
Well, this week they've gone the step further and said, actually,
we're only going to put it out to those who
are in their insider program, which is the people who
get the early access to the features, because they say
it's so they can provide a quote trusted, secure, and
robust experience for all customers.

Speaker 17 (01:02:57):
I think what.

Speaker 21 (01:02:57):
They're really saying behind the scenes is that there are
just so many security concerns with this type of feature.
I mean, the first one is, Okay, if it's a
work computer, can your employer see every single thing that
you're looking at, including things that might not be for work.
What about if you accidentally put your password into the
wrong box and it doesn't have the dashes, are they

(01:03:19):
going to see that? What about API keys, confidential material?
You know, like, there's a bevy of issues that are there.
But worse is that apparently some hackers had found a
way to get access to those you know, hundreds thousands,
hundreds of thousands, millions of images that would have been
stored and all of the metadata because it was unencrypted,

(01:03:40):
so all you had to be was like you had
to be a bad actor and install some ransomware on
a computer and suddenly you had access to every single
thing that had effectively been on the person's screen. Sounds
like a nightmare. Microsoft's Microsoft realized that it's a nightmare
and are now basically delaying it because.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
It's not quite ready.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Yeah, in the world of AI, there is now another
word to add to the various tech lingo. And this
one's not too complicated. I love it slop.

Speaker 21 (01:04:13):
Flop, and it's and it's actually needed, Like it's a word.
The word has come into use because it's needed. AI produces,
you know, the one The way that it was described
originally was hallucinations, where it just kind of made some
things up and kind of you know, maybe connected some
dots that shouldn't have connected. But this is when the

(01:04:34):
AI is generating lots of those things together. So like
you like we think of email having spa, the AI
can have slop. So what that basically is is when
it when it's like, produces just low quality kind of
junk content. Maybe maybe you know, like it's an article

(01:04:55):
that seems like it's overly created by AI. It feels
a little kind of off. Maybe it's like, you know,
maybe it's Google suggesting that you add non toxic glue
to a.

Speaker 17 (01:05:05):
Pizza, or you know, oh, maybe some bad AI.

Speaker 21 (01:05:10):
Generated r We can just start referring to that as slop.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Yeah, I like that slop. It works. Well. Hey, thanks Paul,
you take care and we will catch you soon at
our Textbert post in house doctor Brian Betty on ADHD.
He's with us next right now. It is nineteen minutes
to eleven on Newstalks NB.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack, Tay and bepurured on code
Z for high Quality Supplements Used Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
NB seventeen to eleven on News Talks EDB. ADHD, attention
deficit hyperactivity disorder has had a whole lot of attention lately,
the likes of Torri Faro, the Mayor of Wellington, Chloe
Swarbrick going public with their diagnoses. Darcy Waldgrave of course
talking about ADHD and the difficulties around getting a diagnosis

(01:06:01):
and ongoing treatment, especially for adults. They reckon that in
New Zealand between five an eight percent of children and
adolescents are affected by ADHD and for seventy percent of
those it persists into adulthood. But I've got to be honest,
I'm one of these people who and this probably doesn't
reflect very well on me. It just part of me
feels like sometimes I think, oh, it's ADHD, the kind

(01:06:23):
of you know, the diagnosis of the day, which I
know is not very generous of me sometimes. So we
thought we'd talked to doctor Bryan Betty just to clear
up some misconceptions. He's with us now, morning Brian.

Speaker 6 (01:06:35):
Oh, morning Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Yeah, So let's just.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Start off with what is ADHD.

Speaker 13 (01:06:40):
Look, as you're outlined, Look, it's a very complex condition
that affects people in a lot of different ways. However
you can make some comments about it. So it's what
we call a neurodevelopmental disorder, and it affects It can
affect people of any age, but especially children. Now, what
it does, it affects what we call executive functions, so

(01:07:01):
that ability to maintain intention, control impulses, and often memories
of acted and so people find often find it very
hard to concentrate, follow instructions and stay organized. Now that
the problem, the rise is there, and we've got to
be really, really clear about this. This is a processing issue.
It is not laziness, it's not like a discipline. It's

(01:07:22):
rather just this issue with brain processing that has developed.
So we've got to be very very careful about our
labeling of this and what exactly it is, because it
is very very real.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
And what are the different types and symptoms?

Speaker 13 (01:07:37):
Yeah, so look, it falls into two main clusters. So
one is mainly inattentive, So that's that struggling with attention
and focus, staying on task, following instructions. The other one
is what we call hyperactiveal and impulsive that may feel restless,
very fidgety, act without thinking about consequences. So just just

(01:07:59):
really for that impulsive behavior, or you may have a
combination of two, so it becomes across both spectrums. So
what people may see or start to think about it
and they see people are forgetful, maybe time management is poor,
difficulty organizing daily activities, or just making careless mistakes, and
so those are often the sort of symptoms that people

(01:08:19):
start to pick up on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
See like you hear that, and I think, man, find
me a seven year old boy who doesn't have ideas,
you know, honestly though, I think about you know how boy,
when I think about you know, his friends, I think
about what I was like as a kid, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
that tic tic to tick.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:08:35):
So look, you've made a really good point there that
that kids, yeah, show all those those behaviors at times.
It's when those behaviors really start to interfere with functioning
like learning at school or doing things over a period
of time, or start to interfere with functioning as an adult,
like keeping jobs or just just doing doing things that

(01:08:58):
we'd expect. So, yeah, it's the degree to which it
affects people as things. So you're quite right, those things
can be normal, and children's development it's that extension.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
So what actually causes it.

Speaker 13 (01:09:10):
Well, look it's unclear, but it's probably a combination of
genetic issues and in combination with environment. So what we
do tend to see it can run in families, and
there is some evidence to say, look, there may be
some difference in brain structure and chemical transmitters in the brain,
so there's some stuff that indicates that. However, environmental factors

(01:09:31):
can play a part. Now, smoking and pregnancy, alcohol and
pregnancy and premature birth, those three things have been associated
with ADHD, which is why often the messaging about smoking
and pregnancy and alcohol and pregnancy is such an issue
and that is put out there so ambisation with those things.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
Like I said, we're hearing a lot about, you know,
adults being diagnosed with ADHD and that sort of maybe
answering a lot of questions for them that they've had
about some of their responses to things over the years.
But what are the consequences of ADHD not being treated?

Speaker 13 (01:10:07):
Yeah, yeah, So what we tend to see in children
is having difficulties with behavior at school or learning at
school over time. So parents will often come to me
and say they're concerned about the fact their child is
the behavioral issues. The teachers have raised that the difficulty
maybe controlling learning is not what's expected. So you start

(01:10:28):
to trigger and wonder whether this could be going on. However,
one of the big issues has not been diagnosed into
adulthoods and what we do know about ADHD, it's associated
with a much higher risk of ending up in jail,
motor vehicle accidents and alcohol and drug abuse. Yeah, but
we've got to be careful about this because on the contrary,

(01:10:48):
there are some positives so people that ADHD can be
considered often more creative, high energy good sense is humans
are enterprise and so there's a bit of the ng
and yang thing that can go on with that, but
definitely a social impact and undiagnosed ADHD is probably a concern.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
And what can you do about it?

Speaker 13 (01:11:07):
Well, look we've tapped into this. It's often the difficulty
is actually diagnosis. So what we do know, and it's
quite a difficult diagnosed soften You need access to a
psychologist or a specialist psychiatrist. It takes time to make
the diagnosis and access in New Zealand is quite restricted,
so often it does go hidden. Look, one of the
things I'd say, if you're concerned about it, or you're

(01:11:29):
starting to trigger or think about it, please go and
see a GP and just have a conversation about it.
That's probably the first thing i'd say. To look at
what options potentially could be there to look at this
as an issue. Certainly in terms of treatment, lifestyle changes
are really important, so things like addressing alcoholic drugs for instance,
strategies to improve time management, support of friends and family,

(01:11:51):
exercise and time management, all those things are really really important. However,
what we do know is medication has a big, big
role to play, and it can be transformed it with
a lot of people in terms of resol resolving symptoms,
and it can really really help with concentration and impulsivity,
so really really important.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Yeah, so it's really interesting. So you know, I'm I'm
just trying to be honest, and I know that this
doesn't necessarily reflect very well on me, but sometimes I
do wonder, you know, I have wondered with ADHD if
maybe we're over medicalizing, you know, the condition or the symptoms,
especially especially in an age where we all have smartphones, right,

(01:12:32):
so we're all kind of constantly having things vying for
our attention, and you know, we're having our psychology used
against us and that kind of thing. Is that a risk?

Speaker 20 (01:12:40):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
Is that an ungenerous Is that simply just an ungenerous perspective.

Speaker 13 (01:12:44):
Or no, No, look, I think that's a very real,
real perspective. And you see this across a range of things.
We're social media and in the media in particularly as well,
and sort of drive perceptions that oh, I have a problem,
I've got a medical problem. Yeah, when what you're looking
at as normal behavior, as we talked about with developmental children,
We've got to be very careful about this to make

(01:13:05):
the differentiation what's normal and what's not, which is why
with ADHD we've got we we do need specialists who
specialize in this area to really make the diagnosis because
it is quite complex to sift through that and say, yes,
that is where this sits, or no it's not. It's
part of a normal behavior spectrum. So yeah, complex in

(01:13:26):
terms of what you're saying, Jack, and not unreasonable than
what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah, right, yeah about it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Yeah, yeah, it's just a case of being careful and
actually getting expert diagnoses as well, isn't it. Hey, thank
you so much. We really appreciate it. Brian. That's doctor Brian. Betty.
It is nine minutes to eleven gardening.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
With still sharp, massive field days savings on still tools now, ah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
Man in the Gardener's Rude Climb passed Gelder Rude Cura.

Speaker 17 (01:13:50):
Jack, I mean an absolutely beautiful garden here in Vannickburn
from some friends of mine, and it's just gorgeous that
tooys are everywhere at bell Berts.

Speaker 7 (01:13:58):
You name it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
Oh, how lovely? How long are you there for?

Speaker 17 (01:14:02):
I've been here? I wasn't a Kiwi Hui this week
in Queenstown and I'm here today and after we've finished,
I'm driving back to Julie because I think it's time
for me to go home.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Yeah, isn't it. I mean, I feel like Central Targo's
home at home we all wish for, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (01:14:18):
Don't worry, That's what I think too. This is exactly
what it is. But yeah, I feel really blessed to
do this. But let's talk about these things, because you
know what they've got here. I mean, Karen and Garrett
have got these these two weeks feeding in these these
nectar bowls and they are made from sugar water, and
it's unbelievable to see how they actually appreciate these sort

(01:14:40):
of things. But it's not just them, it's it's it's
the bell birds as well, but also the silverized.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
Well, especially at this time of year, right because it's freezer.
You know, Central Target's freezing, but it's cold everywhere. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 17 (01:14:54):
So it's a couple of things. You can do something
about birds. So you know, even just talked about Kiwi
all week, I thought I'm going to talk about different
birds for a change, and these birds really need to
be supported for into I feel if you really want
to keep them in your garden, and that I think
should be the gig very simple. The gig is that,
for instance, if you have a lot of silver eyes

(01:15:15):
in the garden right now, and you keep on providing
them with food, they will come back time and time
again until it's breeding time, right and then what happens
is they kind of disappear, They become quiet, They make
sure you don't find the nest, but they are still there.
And what they do in summer once they know where
your garden is what they do in summer is they

(01:15:37):
eat aports, media bugs, all sorts of other pests, scale insects,
and they actually do your pest control for you. And
may I say they do it for free.

Speaker 9 (01:15:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
Yeah, So if you want to sit up, if you
want to set up feeding for birds, what should we
be doing? Obviously, sugar water is a good option.

Speaker 17 (01:15:55):
Yeah, not honeywater. That's actually against the law with diseases
of bird bees and all that. Yeah, but yeah, sugar
water and on a regular basis, and that sugar water
needs to be replenished every now and then, but they
usually get rid of it anyway. So that's number one.
Number two is plants, trees and shrubs that are flowering

(01:16:15):
at this time of the year and give you natural nectar.
You know, things like the sassi and stuff like you
collicked this. Some pool really is at flowering at the moment. Banks, yeah,
ares are flowering. That all helps. And those are really
nice things to consider right now. If you don't know
what the plant in your garden, think about this right now,
and you will be absolutely stunned for the rest of

(01:16:36):
your life with all these creatures coming around.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
What about leaving some seeds out in that kind of thing.
You shouldn't leave three to day no bread.

Speaker 17 (01:16:45):
When the bird eat bread and it becomes wet, you know,
for instance, they drink water, it swells up in their
stomach and that causes all sorts of stomach problems. I mean,
you can talk about ADHD, but this is really bad,
you know, So that's not good. And the other thing
is the light blocks, if you like, and things like that.
That is quite often the way to go as well,

(01:17:05):
dripping made into light blocks. I've put some pictures on
the website people can see how it works. And the
other thing is the mad butcher uses old offcuts of
rubbishy meat and puts it together and boy do they
love their Oh just wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
The key though is to make sure you're putting in
an elevated spot where the rats can't get to. You
want to make sure you're feeding the birds, but not
various other wildlife around your place. To right there, Hey,
thanks rude, Travel home safely. Road climb passed in the
garden for us. After eleven we're on a trip on
the world's newest cruise ship. News is next though, I'm

(01:17:41):
Jack Tamed. This is News Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Saturday Mornings with jackdam keeping the conversation going through the
weekend with bpure Dot cot dot is here for high
quality supplements US Talks bre Inna.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Good morning and welcome to News Talks Z'DB. Yeah, they
did the right thing. I'm very pleased that they waited
with the scheduling for the Super Rugby semifinals to work
out exactly what New Zealand teams might be playing or
potentially playing at the same time as the Warriors. Tonight
have sold out sold out game for the Warriors at
Mount Smart Stadium against the Melbourne Storm. Always very tricky

(01:18:40):
playing the Melbourne Storm, but hopefully that home crowd will
bring them home. That's at seven thirty tonight. That means
that they decided to have the Super Rugby semi final
this afternoon the Caines Chiefs at four point thirty, which
is fantastic. I just love that they do that. So
we should be able to stack up our sporting afternoon.
The black Caps kick off at Helbus twelve. Not maybe

(01:19:02):
a must watch game against Uganda given we've been kicked
out of the T T furnament, but hey maybe then
You've got the Super Rugby at four point thirty of
the Warriors this evening, So an awesome afternoon of sport
lined up. We're going to catch up with Jason behind
Jason Pine ahead of weekends sport very shortly as well
as that, before midday, we're gonna play you some new
music from Nigerian musician Thames. She's got a really interesting,

(01:19:26):
kind of unique, beautiful sound, so looking forward to playing
you that plus a virtual trip on the world's newest
cruise ship very shortly. Right now, it is nine minutes
past eleven, Jack and Job and Security is facing a
lot of people at the moment. I think unemployment in
New Zealands at about four point three percent. They're expecting
it to get about five point three percent, So it's

(01:19:47):
going to be a really tricky twelve months or so.
And we wanted to talk to Google Sutherland, a psychologist
from Umbrella Well Being, about the different ways in which
it impacts upon both employees and employers. And this Doogle,
sadly is very very topical.

Speaker 5 (01:20:04):
Cure. Yes it is.

Speaker 7 (01:20:05):
It's you know, I was thinking that a year two
years ago. We're in this great job market, you know,
lots of jobs and plenty of opportunity, and now that's
almost done a complete one acy, and there's lots of
people that are worried about their job, worried about might
what happened, what might happen for them or for their colleagues.
So it's a yeah, it's a completely different ball game

(01:20:28):
of the monment, and you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Reckon that job and security can be can be kind
of relatively easily divided into two big kinds, right.

Speaker 7 (01:20:36):
Yeah, if we ever sort of put too much faith
in dividing things into what into into.

Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
Sort of broad areas.

Speaker 7 (01:20:43):
But yeah, one is about losing your job, you know,
completely becoming made redundant, and the other is about losing
bits of the job that you really like. And that
might be you know, you might be facing some cutback
in hours, or it could be that you're changing in
working conditions, like you know, everybody has to work from
the office now, not at home. It might even be

(01:21:06):
that you know, you're worried about losing good friends and
colleagues that you work with. And so I think both
of those can can manifest in two ways. One, you
can sort of spend a lot of time worrying about that,
and as we often call that, we often think of
that as that that time that you spent at work

(01:21:29):
when you're really should be on your working at your job,
but your mind is distracted and elsewhere we call that presentism.
And then the other thing is of course emotions that
there's lots of emotions that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Go on with that.

Speaker 7 (01:21:42):
And we notice a lot of people overlook the role
of or the fact that they might feel a lot
of grief around losing their job or losing aspects of
their job.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
Oh that's interesting, Yeah, So people aren't necessarily aware that
that we feel in grief. I mean, anger is kind
of understandable, right, and anxiety about you know, about the
future but grief is a significant one as well, and
it can have like a really significant impact on relationships
among staff, right.

Speaker 7 (01:22:10):
Yeah, I think it can. It's you know, either you're
kind of all competing for the same jobs, like if
they say, well, we're going to reduce our staff and
from ten to sex, well that you're all competing or.

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
Survive.

Speaker 7 (01:22:22):
The guilt's another one where you you have have rantaged
to retain your position, but your friends and colleagues haven't.
And you can also get into the situation where people
want to, you know, if they're feeling insecure. The best
thing I can do is be the best sort of
worker I can be at work and really shine compared
to other people, which there is nothing wrong and necessarily inherently,

(01:22:47):
but it might put you off side with your coworkers.
It's seem to be sort of sucking up and being
the teacher's pet and trying to do everything. Oh, don't
worry about how I'll work for extra but for no money.
You don't have to pay me for that, which which
an employeer might like, but other employees might. You might
get on the wrong side that no love that at all.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
So what can you do about.

Speaker 7 (01:23:08):
Well, you know, ideally you would just reduce uncertainty as
much as possible, but we don't live in La la land.
There's lots of unsurfaty at the moment that people just
can't control. I think for employees two key things is one,
focus on the aspects of the situation that you can control,

(01:23:29):
and that might be that might be small, and it
might even be things like preparing your CV for you know,
you may have been a job for ten years or
so and haven't actually had to refresh your CV, but
at least you can console that. And when people have
a sense of control, that can reduce that feeling of
worry that they have.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
And also the other thing.

Speaker 7 (01:23:53):
I would say to employees is as much as possible,
we notice when your attention has got shifted to that
the black hole of the problem. I'm going to lose
my job.

Speaker 5 (01:24:03):
I'm going to lose this and.

Speaker 7 (01:24:05):
Move it to folks on what could happen after that,
because you probably can't do much about that uncontrollable black hole,
but there are things you might be able to do
about the future, and it can just give you a
little more sense of hopefulness if you're focusing on the
future a bit more, what about employers, Well, employers again

(01:24:27):
we realize that sometimes you know, managers and sees they
might want to reduce uncertainty, but it's not always possible
because you're answering to higher powers. I think two things.

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
One is.

Speaker 5 (01:24:44):
Trying to give people.

Speaker 7 (01:24:46):
As much certainty and information as as you can. Sometimes
when organizations are going through change, they tend to sort
of drop down on communications because, oh world, there's nothing
new to tell people, and therefore what's the point. Actually
the information that you can convey in that situation is
there's still no new, it's still the same, because I'm

(01:25:08):
sure you've had it too. That in that void of information,
that's where rumors and all sorts of speculation can start
to grow totally, and that's not particularly helpful. So communicating
even when you haven't got anything much to communicate about,
and focus on trying to maintain relationships and trying to
make the workplace as comfortable and as supportive as you

(01:25:31):
possibly can. We saw a bit of this actually with
organizations around COVID. I think that when they did things
like they said, hey, look well, actually sorry, not COVID
so much christ to its earthquakes, they quite a lot
of leniency in workplaces, saying hey, look, we realize it's
really difficult, you know, to get hold of your insurance company,
So take some time during the day to do that

(01:25:51):
if you need to. And that sort of flexible approach
can help. Just it's a bit more human and recognizes that, actually,
you've got humans that are worried and need to do
things in their life, and we need to make some
allowances for that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
Yeah, do you find that people like I'm just trying
I'm trying to put myself in in you know, the
shoes of people who are facing uncertainty with their jobs
at the moment. Is it it must be really easy
to catastrophize, like I think I would. I think I
would really freak out and be like, oh my gosh,
you know where am I going to you know, like

(01:26:24):
pay for the mortgage next week kind of thing, and
like look at stuff in a really kind of short
time frame, and maybe it can be hard to get perspective.

Speaker 7 (01:26:31):
Is that something you you say, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely,
And I'd be in that boat as well. I would
be one of those people that's, oh my god, you know,
we'll be living in a shoe box out the back
box somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
Yeah, if I lose my job, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 7 (01:26:44):
I think often sharing those thoughts and worries with somebody
else who's a little bit more removed, whether that's a
senior colleague or you might or just just a good
friend who's that slight but removed.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Yeah, tend to make a difference.

Speaker 7 (01:27:03):
Take the Yeah, it can help take this thing out
of it and they can help be a little more
realistic because they're not quite as emotionally tied up on
it as you are.

Speaker 4 (01:27:10):
Yeah, that's good advice. Hey, thank you, dougle I really
appreciate it. That is Dogle Southerland. He is a psychologist
with Umbrella Well Being. If you want to get in touch,
ninety two. Ninety two is the text number. I'll get
more of your texts very shortly. Right now it is
sixteen minutes past eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Travel with Wendy WU Tours unique fully inclusive tours around.

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
The Worldyardly is our travel correspondent killed a Mike killer Jack.

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
I think it's the canes against the chief.

Speaker 20 (01:27:37):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
I was wondering if you were even going to mention
super Rugby because it is a weird thing being a
Crusaders fan getting to the business end of the season
seeing lots of New Zealand teams and not seeing the
Red and Black one. But that's all right. I'm you
know what, if I had to pick up the three,
I would say, I would say Canes, but heat and Hart.
I want the Canes to win, and I think that

(01:28:00):
they will win. Yeah, Canes, But you know what, the Chiefs.
The Chiefs have been kind of flying under the radar
a little bit the season, so you never know, you
never know, But yes, very much looking forward to that
this afternoon and awesome afternoon of sport lined up from anyway,
this morning we are focusing on the Sun Princess, the
world's newest cruise ship, and you have been fortunate enough

(01:28:23):
to go for a bit of a sale. So how
big is the shiny new flagship.

Speaker 5 (01:28:28):
Well, it's not the biggest in the world Jack, which
is the domain of Icon of the Seas at last report.
But for Princess Cruises, the Sun as the biggest ship
they have ever launched into their fleet. It carries four
three hundred passengers sixteen hundred crew, she's twenty decks high

(01:28:50):
and she weighs in a one hundred and seventy seventy
thousand ton. That's a lot of elephants the whop. Yeah, yeah,
is that a mega?

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Does that make an a mega shout?

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
Yeah, it definitely is a megash. Yeah. The thing which
really stands out though about what they call as the
next level Love Boat is the fact that it's environmental
footprint is just so lot, so much lighter than all
of its predecessors. That's really where the changes have been made.

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
Yeah, So how much of a step change is the ship?

Speaker 9 (01:29:21):
Then?

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
To talk to us about some of those changes that
kind of distinguish it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
Yeah, Well, I think the big takeaway festival Jack is
the fuel source. It is not diesel. It is not dirty,
dirty diesel, So they've switched to liquor fied natural gas
for some princess. And what constantly struck me is, particularly
when you're maneuvering in and out of ports, it's silent.
The ship is silent like an EV on the seas.

(01:29:49):
Yeah right, so, yeah, compared to the familiar rumble of
a diesel powered engine. You just don't get that. And
you don't see any fumes, any black smoke from its funnel. Yeah,
So I think that's fabulous Ultimately, though, I think this
is just sort of a step along the wa way. Ultimately,
I reckon you will see cruise ships pivot to hydrogen

(01:30:11):
in the medium term, but across all departments of board
Some Princess, I just saw so many changes being made
to lower the footprints. For example, they've got twenty six
bio digesters on board this ship, so that breaks down
and liquifies all of the uneaten food and returns it
to nature in liquid form to feed the very happy

(01:30:33):
fish below. So I don't know if that's giving back
or paying it forward, but the fish are happy.

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
Yeah, Oh that's interesting. Okay. Has the buffet survived the
covid age on Princess?

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
Well, this was my biggest fascination as I jumped on
board Some Princess, because I reckon it was an even
bet whether the ship buffet would see the light of
day again. But on Some Princess they have gone with
a different sort of buffet. The self serve is gone Burger,
so instead their buffet restaurant consists of the whole lot

(01:31:06):
of food stations with glassed off serving areas, so you
just pick and point at what you want the staff
to plate up for you. But interestingly it has triggered
a very welcome plunge in daily food waste. So that
is a very mindful buffet, I think.

Speaker 6 (01:31:22):
Jack ah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
Okay, so just to explain that to me, So you
you arrive at the restaurant and what happens.

Speaker 5 (01:31:28):
Yep, you walk away around all the various food stations thinking, oh, yeah,
like one of those, one of those, one of those.
So you just pick and point and the staff will
place it up for you. So you're not actually handling
it yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
Sure, so for example, you won't have one.

Speaker 5 (01:31:44):
Hundred and fifty grubby myths using the same food utensils,
all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
I mean that makes also yeah, it does.

Speaker 5 (01:31:52):
Yeah, but it has also seem to have curbed gluttony
to the point where you know, you'll pile your own
plate up with heaps of stuff and end up biffing
half of it. That is not happening now, So that's
very good.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
That is really interesting. That's sort of running of it.
So it says a lot about human psychology, right that
you can you can still technically eat as much as
you want, but when it's someone else serving it to
you and you're going back to the eleventh time for
your twenty fourth piece of bread pudding or whatever. Then
they're going, actually, maybe maybe there's something in that. This says,
you know, some party, this is maybe that's enough. So

(01:32:26):
how many bars and restaurants are actually on board?

Speaker 5 (01:32:29):
Well, you've got thirty thirty choices, that's your disposal, Jack.

Speaker 6 (01:32:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:33):
So yeah, if you're a sort of cruiser who doesn't
want to eat at the same place twice, Son, Princess
is for you. Absolutely. And I've really rammed up destination
dining offerings. So there's lots of celebrity collaborations. One that
really impressed me. It was a place called the Butcher's
Block by Dario and that's curated by that celebrity Tuscan butcher,

(01:32:54):
Dario Kacini. And if you've seen Netflix's Chef's Table, he
features on that. By the way. On the snacks front,
I was very impressed by the Agilitia Jack, And the
thing about this is it's the real deal. Gelato on
board the ship, certified by the Italian government, no less.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
Very good with that kind of elastic quality that we love.
And yeah, okay, so what was your favorite experience?

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
Well, the most mesmerizing experience for me would have been
Spellbound by Magic Castle, and as the name suggests, it
was created in partnership with that famed Hollywood venue, Magic Castle,
which is the exclusive academy for aspiring magicians in the world.
And the thing about Spellbound on the Shipjack is you

(01:33:44):
get really good dining, amazing mixology, but the live magic
is performed in this beautifully designed Victorian theme to venue,
complete with a piano playing ghost and the close up,
intimate cabaret magic just left me dumbfounded. I felt like
a judge on Britain Scott Talent and I was just

(01:34:05):
totally blown away by the wizardry of the tricks. In fact,
there were a couple of magicians on Britain's Got Talent
last night and it was very, very similar the tricks
they were doing. Really so I'm totally really interesting. I'm
still scratching my head over how they did what they did.
It was absolutely extraordinary.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
So she is a big ship? Is she a beautiful ship?

Speaker 5 (01:34:29):
So many architectural flourishes, and I just loved the fact
that you end up feeling like you are floating on
a giant glasshouse. So at the top of the ship,
I've got this amazing structure called the Dome, and it's
this multi level glass enclosed structure and it actually drew
its inspiration from the terraces of Centerini. So by day

(01:34:53):
it's this terrorist porm space and then it transforms at
night into a show stage under the stars. Another star
feature is the Sphere, which is this gigantic glass bubble
protruding beyond the sides of the ship sort of midship,
and it spans ten decks, this bubble. But it very

(01:35:13):
much is all about embracing you know, those ocean views.
It really is quite amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
And where is she sailing.

Speaker 5 (01:35:20):
In the Mediterranean for the European summer and then she'll
be off to the Caribbean for the northern winter and
her sister ship, the Star Princess, is going to be
launched next year. Very much the same sort of specimen,
you know, in terms of design. But the thing which
really was the takeaway for me, Jack is it's a
venue packed ship. And because of that, even though it

(01:35:41):
had four thousand guests or more on board, I never
actually felt like I was competing for space. Surprisingly. That
was the thing I wondered about. Yeah, and yeah, those
those funnels no diesel fumes.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Very very welcome.

Speaker 4 (01:35:57):
Yeah, oh that's really good that there's enough. You feel
like there's enough space. You're not all sort of sardined
in there together. So Annoyd, So just I don't know
if you can go, if you still got a handy Again,
how heavy did you say?

Speaker 5 (01:36:07):
She was one hundred and seventy seven thousand to.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
One hundred and seventy seven thousand. So someone's just inflected
and and I've quickly googled it to double check. At
Mark says the Titanic was fifty two thousand tons, So
there you go. The Sun Princess is more than three
times the size.

Speaker 6 (01:36:22):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:36:23):
By the way, the Icon of the Seas, which I
believe is the biggest ship in the world at the moment,
is two hundred and thirty thousand tons.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
Wow, goshn just I just, I mean, I know, necessarily,
but I just find it amazing these things float. It's
just I know, yeah, our cathos flick. There's a note
turn says, don't forget to mention the lifts. Does that
make the listing?

Speaker 5 (01:36:44):
Yeah, yes, very cool. It's all very technology aboard some princess.
So you're wear these medallions and they have all sorts
of wayfinding functionality and whatnot. But when you approach the lifts,
you select what level you want to go to before
you actually go into the year, so it will choose
a lift for you and get you up to where

(01:37:04):
you want to go way fast.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
I love that they have that in kind of some
modern office buildings now as well.

Speaker 6 (01:37:10):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
So, yeah, and so you press the thing first and
then it actually works out the most efficient way to
do it. I'm all for that. Yeah, Oh it sounds great.
Thank you so much, Mike. I'm glad you had a
good time. It sounds it sounds like a very enviable trip. Indeed.
So that is the Son Princess And you can find
more of Mike's tips and insights on sailing aboard the
Sun Princess at news talks hedb dot co dot inz

(01:37:31):
Ford slash lifestyle. It is just coming up to eleven thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on news Talks by.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
News talks 'b. You were Jack tame through it a
midday than Jason Pine is with us for a big
afternoon on weekends for Kolder Barney Jack I'm not nervous
at all about this Super rugby, do you okay? To
be fair, I thought you were going to say you're
not nervous about the black Caps as they take on
New Gander, and I was going to go, you know what,
I think I'm with you on that one, even though

(01:38:23):
they haven't had a great tournament. I'm with you on that.
For the rugby though, it is a great game to
be watching. If you don't have skin in the game,
that is oh, look that that is exactly right.

Speaker 22 (01:38:32):
Unfortunately, I have plenty of skin going all the way
back to nineteen ninety six in this Hurricanes game. So look,
I said to Heather yesterday, I think this is a
coin flip. If you are hovering above this game and
looking down on it and you don't have any you know,
necessary bias one or the other, it is a coin flip.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
It could go either way.

Speaker 22 (01:38:49):
Even vern Kotta last night one of the all time
great postmatch quotes. He was asked to for other face
out of the Hurricanes and the Chiefs, and he said,
it's like choosing between getting the plague and cholera.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
That's gold well that being said. A Chiefs win today
would mean the Blues are at home next week, right, yes, yeah,
of course and so ye so they're all so for them,
of course that's what they want to happen. They would
love a home final, of course they would. Yeah, yeah,
what do you think it's going to decide it? Fewer mistakes?

Speaker 22 (01:39:18):
I think I think the team that makes the fewer
errors both you know, stacked with attacking talents in the backs,
both very very solid forward packs, both well coached. I
just think it's the it's the moments within the eighty
minutes that that probably decided. And that's i know, fence
sitting a little bit. It's not actually drilling down into
any particular part of the game. But in listening to

(01:39:39):
the Hurricanes and their postmatch pre match media this week,
saying with the Chiefs, they all say the sort of
the same things really that you've got to embrace these
moments and it's the ones who grab those moments who will,
I guess eventually find their way into a Super Rugby
Grand Final next weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:39:53):
It's but it's a.

Speaker 22 (01:39:54):
Mouth watering prospect. The weather's nice and Wellington and I
can tell you Jack it's meant to blow a little bit.
But that won't be a surprise to anybody. So yeah, look,
I just I'm just very very interested to see how
this plays outs.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
A man who loves his football. Are you going to
be getting up at one o'clock in the morning and
four o'clock in the morning for the Euros or you
just hang around for the seven am game?

Speaker 11 (01:40:14):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 22 (01:40:14):
I'm a I'm a three game in a row kind
of guy when it comes to these tournaments.

Speaker 9 (01:40:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:40:19):
I always think with tournaments, whether it's football, rugby, whatever
it is, that the worst thing that can happen is
you can get to the end of the tournament and
wish you'd watch more of it live. You know, it's
only just started, obviously this morning, with Germany's decimation of Scotland.
But you know, the group stages do tend to rush past,
and all of a sudden we're into the knockout stages
and you think, oh, man, I just all those games,
so now I'll be I'll be up and about for

(01:40:41):
most of them. Whether all, you know, whether all I'll
stack night after night after night, I guess remains to
be seen. But I've got a pretty empty life other
than sports. Ex So I reckon I reckon.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
I'll get no. I'll tell you what this morning was
was brutal. It was even like from the word go
as well. It wasn't like I think in the first
minute the Germans had a shot on goals. You know,
it was like, okay, this is We're not hanging around
here and we're not looking for a one nil victory.
This is going to be this is going to be dominant.

Speaker 7 (01:41:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:41:13):
I heard some of the pre match narrative about Scotland.
You know, their best chance of upsetting Germany was in
the opening game where there's a lot on the line
and you know they might catch them off guard. Well
that didn't happen. Getting a man seen oft didn't help
the Scots either. I did enjoy the way they celebrated
when they scored a golf fans, the fans that is
not the players to come back to four. Yeah, that's right,

(01:41:33):
that's right, They've got one in the back of the net. Look,
the Scottish fans will have fun in Germany. They might
not be there for a long time, but they will
have a good time while they are there.

Speaker 4 (01:41:41):
And good on them too.

Speaker 6 (01:41:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:41:42):
So it was on the show this afternoon, Super Rugby
preview obviously, but first up I want to talk about
the State of Origin to New Zealand idea.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
It's just actually a thing.

Speaker 22 (01:41:50):
Could we have a game of State of Origin at
Eden Park and would you turn up at what is
likely to be nine thirty on a Wednesday night to
watch this because I've got to fit in with Australian
broadcast time obviously, going to have a big chat about this.
You cover off the rugby obviously, and then it's not
forget the Warriors against the Storm tonight we'll get inside
their camp after tours.

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
Well, yeah, fantastic, looking forward to that. Beg you Sir
Jason Pyne with us right after the twelve o'clock news
Huge weekend of sports. Are looking forward to weekend Sport
this afternoon twenty four to twelve on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
EDB, No bitter way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and beepur
dot co dot Nz for high quality supplements used Talks EDB,
News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
Just coming up to twenty to twelve, We're going to
cover our a little bit of space because we really
want to play this new album from Thames She's a
musician from Lagos and Nigeria. She's kind of been on
the fringes of stardom for a few years and then
she won a Grammy a couple of years ago and
kind of exploded. She's going to be playing Glastonbury this month,
so she's got a new album. Going to play you
some of that very shortly. Right now, though, it is

(01:42:49):
time to get your book picks for this weekend. Catherine
Rains is here with her recommendations. Hey, Katherine, morning Jack.
Let's begin with Smoke by Michael Brisenden.

Speaker 23 (01:43:01):
So this is a really eerie opening to it. So
it's that you're in the aftermath in this town of
Jasper after this wildfire has passed through, and the main
character is a character called Alex Markov, and she's a
detective and she's returned to her hometown and she's confronted
with this destruction, and she also the suspected murder of
her childhood friend's partner who's was found in a lot

(01:43:23):
shed after the wildfires. And you know, she's trying to
conduct this investigation, but she's also under pressure from this
big city ala internal affairs about her past conduct and
the time that she spent there working as a detective,
and she's dealing with aging parents and a bereaved friend.

Speaker 11 (01:43:40):
But she gets that.

Speaker 23 (01:43:40):
You get this atmosphere of this town and it's stark
and realistic against this backdrop of murder, and this atmosphere
you builds and creates tension, and there's corruption and crooked
cops and sleazy politicians, and it draws this analogy between
the smoke and the smoke concealing things and hiding the damage,
and it destroys beautiful things and it's insidious and it's unseen,

(01:44:02):
just like the corruption is and the box about how
far trust can go and how close portrayal can be
and how little loyalty can be relied on. And it's
quite dark and twisted and gripping.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
And yeah, lots of tension.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
Sounds great, unfalse, it is, it's very good. Yeah, okay, cool,
that sounds really intriguing. And that follows what Detective Alex
Markov right, who's and she's kind of been the subject
of previous books as well.

Speaker 23 (01:44:26):
That's great, she is, and yeah so, but you don't
need to have read the previous books. It's just you know,
it starts in this small town in this airy atmosphere
and then just disappears on and through and how they
frack each other on what goes on and yes, yeah
it is. It's dark and twisted and a little bit creepy,
but it's good.

Speaker 4 (01:44:43):
Yeah, cool, okay. Next up The Hazelborne Ladies Motorcycle and
Flying Club by Helen Simonson.

Speaker 23 (01:44:50):
So Helen Simonson WI wrote a book a while ago
called Major Pedigrew's Last Stand and she's really good at
creating characters that you'd actually like to meet in real life.
And this one set in England and nineteen nineteen, just
as the Great Wars wound to a close, and there's
the you know, the loss of so many young men,
resulting in what they termed surplus women who now must
plan lives for themselves, and often with really reduced chances

(01:45:13):
to make a living. And you know who works steadily
during the wartime and abruptly really sent back to the
kitchen and the drawing room and pushed back into these positions.
And one of these characters, Constant har All, is drifting
in the early summer of nineteen nineteen, and she'd been
eased out, you know, as a lot of women eased
out of the job that she did her part for
the war effort. She dreads the thought of becoming a governess,

(01:45:33):
and she actually agrees to be a companion to an
elderly lady at the seaside resort, and she becomes acquainted
with this group of women who had similar looking for
means to support themselves and as the war changed their expectation,
and she makes friends with a group of young women
who trying to make a living using their motorcycles running
a taxi service, and she develops a taste for this.
She's got other schools and good at bookkeeping, and she

(01:45:55):
comes this real asset to the seaside community and she's
really inhabiting this real middle ground. She's not part of
the wealthy, and she knows that she can find some
new opportunities and change your life, you know, make a
living and you know, and then on the other hand,
of those in the war that are fought and survived
and you know, learning how to live within new realities.
And so you get this, you know, Richard convention and

(01:46:17):
changing societal norms and these great characters in this seaside town,
and it's really engrossing as you get involved with all
of these different characters and their stories and how they're
coping with life.

Speaker 14 (01:46:27):
Yeah, nineteen nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
Oh superb okay cool, that sounds great too. That's the
Hazelborne Ladies, Motorcycle and Flying Club by Helen Simonson, Catherine's
first book, Smoke by Michael Brisenden. Just like everything for
else from our show, Newstooks, heb dot Coda and z
Ford Slash Jack is the best place to go. So
if you're scrambling around for a bit of paper or
something you're trying to write down something you hear on

(01:46:49):
the radio, or you're trying to text it to yourself
or something like that, don't stress out. You can always
go to our website and you'll find all of the
stuff that we recommend to you, and a couple of
minutes we're going to play that new music for you
from Thames right now. It is seventeen to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you Saturday Mornings
with Jack Dame and Bepure dot co dotence it for
high quality supplements, use talks.

Speaker 19 (01:47:12):
It'd be God, she's just starting baring.

Speaker 24 (01:47:18):
If you know what around binding, I would say ely
moning just for ron burning, burning, Burning, Burning, and.

Speaker 19 (01:47:34):
Burning in.

Speaker 24 (01:47:40):
Manning.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
This is col Ah. That song is called Burning. It's
by Times. She's just released a new album called Born
in the Wild. In our music review at Stelle, Clifford's
been listening, Hey.

Speaker 14 (01:47:58):
Good morning. Actually my favorite song off the whole album
that song burn It.

Speaker 12 (01:48:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:48:03):
Yeah, And this is just something about people who do
it R and B soul, I guess kind of sounds
in their voices, but also the songs they choose to perform.
I just I just think they're really cool.

Speaker 12 (01:48:14):
People like I'm like.

Speaker 14 (01:48:17):
She's I think she's really cool. And that song in
particular is about that whole you know, when you're aiming
for things in life and you feel like you're sort
of like, oh, this might all just disappear on me.
But actually everyone's got their own inner battles in a turmoil,
and she's kind of reflecting on some of the stuff
that she's been through. But also because it's such a
pretty song, you don't necessarily have to delve into the

(01:48:38):
depth too much of that kind of thing that's going on. Which, Yeah,
this is a really great album. She's actually a new
artist to me. Unbeknownst I had probably heard a couple
of her things, but I didn't realize because a lot
of how she's been thrown into the limelight is her collaborations.

Speaker 18 (01:48:56):
And really early on.

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
It was with.

Speaker 14 (01:49:00):
Hang On name whiz Kid. There was a song that
she featured on with that artist that sort of catapulted
her onto the Billboard charts, and then suddenly other collaborations
from there, like she is one of the performers of
a song off. Okay, now I've got to think of
the name of the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
I can do this, Yeah, okay, I would.

Speaker 17 (01:49:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:49:24):
Yeah, it's a really big movie and it's just fallen off.
But anyway, it's mean that she's ended up doing songs
with Rihanna, you know, like people like that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:32):
Here we go, Okay, I talked about that Earliers. I
shouldn't have needed to google that.

Speaker 14 (01:49:37):
Is it Blake Panther? Okay, now I'm now I'm like,
now I'm downing myself. No, she was was Wakanda. That's
she did a cover of Bob Maley. Yeah, and from
the like yeah, so there's a song that Rihanna is
on in the same movie. She's part of that writing
team and she performed vocally on that. So she's worked
behind the scenes or sort of there, but you know,

(01:49:59):
like that thing with suddenly her own stuff is now
taking the forefront, which is awesome. She's been at Coachella,
so she's had a real good showcase of showing off
what she does ahead of this album coming out, and
I just really love it. I love that change up
of that sort of afro beats kind of sound that
you get from her. I don't think that she's made

(01:50:19):
the production to heavy either, Like I think her voice
still stands out above that also in that kind of
R and B sort of soul groovy kind of way
where there's those little talkie interludes, you know, like like
her mum or a manager or someone talking about what's
going to happen with her and how her career is
going to go and people's opinions of her. I don't

(01:50:41):
know if it necessarily makes the album, but I think
for me it makes me learn her journey and I
kind of like that when I probably haven't you know,
been with her right from the get go. Also, the
album makes me feel happy, which is interesting when there's
sort of some melancholy on here and you know, there's
the pressures of becoming famous in her pre famed life

(01:51:02):
and some of the darkness there. Yet overall you sort
of feel this puzzle sort of sound from the music.
It's always a weird sort of place to be when
you say an album made you happy. But she's probably
reflecting on some of the dark stuff. But it's the
music that she's put along with that that I think
sort of helps that. Born in the wild, this album

(01:51:22):
has made history the most streamed album by a Nigerian
female artist in a single day on Spotify, eight million
streams wow in one day when it first came.

Speaker 4 (01:51:32):
Out, So I reckon she's going to be the first
of them and she's.

Speaker 14 (01:51:38):
Delving into that like that's what she wants to represent.
So I think for her, this is her growth on
something that's kind of a universal attraction in afrobeat kind
of place with their R and B bass. But I
wouldn't be surprised if she pushes the boundaries with that
in regards to being a Nigerian artist. And I love
that it's got those real earthy tones. The conger drums
come in, there's some wind chimes, there's some rattle sort

(01:52:02):
of sounds that you're hearing that that comes from her foundation,
and I you know, like you sort of almost want
that to be pushed more, and I think it will come.
But then those real rhythmic, catchy melodies from someone who
is a singer, songwriter slash producer herself, you know, yeah,
and this tone of her voice, there's just something I

(01:52:22):
really love about that. Often when listening to an album
for the first time, I sort of it's like meditation.
You know, your mind wanders and you're like, got to
listen to this album. But then you sort of wander
and you come in and out and I think it's
a great album for doing that. And then a few
more listens and it kind of grows on you. In
regards to lyrically, perhaps what she's painting a picture with,

(01:52:45):
which for me means an album has, you know, quite
a lot of bit of longevity. If the melodies can
catch you first and the music and things like that,
I think it's really great. But in nineties kind of
sound in there as well. I think this is a
song you're going to play in a but love me
gg first single off the album, to Tease. It came
from a jam session with and friends where one of

(01:53:07):
them sampled another Nigerian star. He's called mister GG or ce.
I'm not sure how to say his surname. Sorry. I
think it's one of those mister g that sampled in
her version of Love me Gg as well. So it
does have that throwback comfortable nineties r and bs that

(01:53:28):
have sounded about it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
And it's really cool cool, Okay, what'd.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
You give it?

Speaker 14 (01:53:31):
Just more just more layers of cool.

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
Out of ten out of ten, very good. Yeah, I'm
looking forward to listen to this too. I've heard a
couple of Tames songs and really just like that sound.
So looking forward to listening to Boorn in the Wild
and we'll get that love me Gg song. I'm glad
you said gg because it's it's spelt j e j
e and I wasn't totally sure how to pronounce it.
So you have done the hard work for me on
that front.

Speaker 6 (01:53:54):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:53:55):
It fast the old broadcasting trick. We'll be back in
a couple of minutes with one of those songs from
Teams for You. Eight out of ten. Estelle reckons her
new album Born in the Wild as well. It's eight
to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
A cracking way to start your Saturday. Saturday Mornings with
Jack Day and Bpure dot Co dot ins head for
high quality Supplements News Talks dB.

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
Well, that isn't far off twelve o'clock, which means it
is time for us to say goodbye for another morning
together on News Talks head B Jason Pine is gonna
be with you right after the news ahead of that
all important Super Ugby semi final this afternoon. Weekend sports
should be a doozy this afternoon. Thanks to my wonderful
producer Libby for doing the tough stuff the News Talks.
He'db website is the best place to go if you

(01:54:40):
want anything from our show. You want to have a
listen again, We're gonna leave you with Thames. Her new
album is Born in the Wild. This song is called
love Me Gig see you next week.

Speaker 25 (01:54:50):
One No, I know one story day nights. This sound
additional men even so yeah, let me Jack, you know
you love jamming a black knapper and it's new one
and them do whatever because I love and and love
and love and I love you only because I need

(01:55:12):
in the knee and the need in the knee, yo, mom. Yeah,
you know, I run and I run and I running
and I run, fly blindness light nice bought me in
your lobby and lo a, I'm ahead right now.

Speaker 19 (01:55:29):
I'm on your head right yeah, hello your vibe.

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
No, you got me on your side now.

Speaker 25 (01:55:38):
Yes, I'm on your way right now.

Speaker 16 (01:55:41):
Whoa, whoa yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:55:43):
Yeah yeah I said, love me judge, love me tender, mom,
loot me judge, love me tender. My sugar, honey, I
turn the lover money you o my sugar, my money.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
I turned the lover by locker.

Speaker 19 (01:56:04):
Why would you just call me your momaday

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to news Talks it'd B from nine am Saturday, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

40s and Free Agents: NFL Draft Season

Dateline NBC

The Bobby Bones Show

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Full Show Podcast: 15 June 2024

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}40s and Free Agents: NFL Draft Season

Dateline NBC

The Bobby Bones Show

All Episodes

Full Show Podcast: 15 June 2024

40s and Free Agents: NFL Draft Season