Full Show Podcast: 15 March 2025

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on the first F one weekend of twenty twenty five.

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I think we can call it that. Liam Lawson of
course lining up in Melbourne and we are Formula one
focused on Newstalk's EDB this morning, so we're going to
give you all the details on this amazing new insiders
look at the Formula one competition, this new book. Before
twelve o'clock, as well as that, we're going to review
the latest season of F one Drive to Survive, which

(01:13):
really has driven so much of the support for the
sport over the last couple of years. And before ten
o'clock our Sporto with his thoughts on Liam Lawson's first
efforts on the track in Melbourne and his prospects ahead
of Race one. As well as that our feature interview
this weekend is so good. We're going to catch up
with Pat Monahan, the lead singer of Train. I mean

(01:34):
you just think, Hey, so, sister, I'm not going to
sing anymore because we're going to play it for you
just to ensure that it gets stuck in your head
for the next week or so. That has had just
a ludicrous number of streams on Spotify and all the
streaming platforms over the last few years. Pat's going to
give us the story of how he wrote Hay Soul's

(01:56):
Sister when he joins us right after the ten o'clock news.
Right now it is eight minutes past nine, Jack, Team
Canada will never be part of the United States. That
was the defining line of Mark Carney's first speeches Canada's
new Prime minister overnight. It was said not in jest,

(02:16):
not as a joke. It was said as a statement
of firm defiance, a serious response to Donald Trump's fifty
first state taunts. Look, we don't usually talk too much
about geopolitics on Saturday mornings. Usually we try and make
this a relatively geopolitic free zone. But I just cannot

(02:40):
think of a time in my life where so much
in the world was changing so quickly, you know, where,
like so much that we took for granted was being
tipped on its head and well, look, I bet that
Mark Kearney can't either. Mark Carney, be honest. Two months ago,
did you have any idea who Mark Kearney was. Just

(03:03):
a few weeks ago, his party was twenty five points
behind Canada's Conservatives in the polls. Mark Cantey wasn't even
a politician, and now he's Canada's Prime minister. There it is.
I suppose that is the power of Donald Trump. It's
kind of interesting how differently Mexico and Canada have approached

(03:24):
the Trump presidency and the threat of tariffs. So Mexico
was kind of used to Donald Trump's hostility from his
first term as president, and its government has taken softly, softly, gently,
gently diplomatic approach, delaying retaliation, hoping that negotiations will spare

(03:44):
them the worst of the economic pressure from their northern neighbor.
Mexico has actually been surprisingly quiet, I reckon over the
last couple of months. Canada, though, well, Canada's opted for
a much more combative response from its big retaliatory tariffs
to the ice hockey fans booing the US national anthem,

(04:05):
and the nationwide coordinated campaign not to buy American made stuff.
I've got a couple of mates in Canada. I was
speaking to one yesterday and she said, it's amazing the
extent to which everyone feels united. Like going to the supermarket,
there are signs that say this is made in Canada,
this is made in the US. Everyone's going for the

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Canadian made product. The irony of Mark Carney's rapid rise
to Canadian Prime Minister is that his party's support has
come at the expense of a political opposition in Canada
that was arguably much more closely aligned to the Republicans
and to Donald Trump. It's just so ridiculous. So Canada's
opposition leader has effectively been forced to put out social

(04:48):
media videos now insisting Donald Trump hates me too. Fundamentally,
no country is going to outmuscle the US in an
economic fight. Maybe China, I suppose, But most countries are
not going to be able to out muscle the US
in an economic fight. Not Canada, not Mexico, not Australia,

(05:11):
and certainly not New Zealand. And I just reckon that
what's kind of lacking at the moment is a more forceful,
coordinated international response. So most countries are sucking up to
Trump and trying to keep their heads down, hoping not
to attract Donald Trump's iire. But as Canada is bashed
by tariffs, it seems absurd, for example, that their king,

(05:35):
our King could possibly go ahead in welcoming Donald Trump
to the UK for an official state visit. What countries
are standing up for Canada? Winston Peters is in Washington,
DC this week, and from New Zealand's perspective, I reckon
there is probably no better person for the job at
this moment, and in those meetings in Washington DC for

(05:58):
now we will no doubt continue to try and maintain
a low profile. You just have to hope that behind
the scenes, like minded countries are quietly coordinating on a
longer term strategy Australia, Canada, the UK, EU countries and yes,

(06:19):
New Zealand, because playing a small target game only makes
sense until, for whatever reason, you do catch the President's attention,
and it could be something so minor right it could
be a dumb tweet or a viral video, someone making
a speech at an awards evening, or an ill advised
comment from a diplomat. The temptation for leaders around the

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world is to shut up and just hope that their
countries can slip by unnoticed. But in the long term,
that's no way to defeat a bully. Jack DA ninety
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(07:27):
very short that Kevin Miln will kick us off next.
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Speaker 5 (07:44):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
I cannot imagine that King Charles wants to meet with
Donald Trump. Necessarily, he just has to do what his
government tells him to do, says Mike. Wow, he doesn't
have to, does he. But yeah, yeah, it's a fair
point mine. I guess the question is whether or not
the UK should be inviting Donald Trump for an unprecedented
second state visit if one of its closest friends in

(08:05):
the Commonwealth is subject to US tariffs. Jax is another Mic.
We can all boycott US products we are in our house.
That's a big step. Mic ninety ninety two is the
text number if you want to get in touch or
get to worry. Text in a couple of minutes, heaps
the messages coming in right now. Tho, it is time
to catch up with Kevin Milne, who's with us this morning?
And Kevin, after that Hurricans performance last night, you're probably

(08:26):
feeling relatively buoyant.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
I think, yeah, yeah, and the Warriors.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, I mean I was gonna say, you know, like yeah,
I mean, you know, the Trump presidency by design is
kind of volatile. You even know what's coming next. Just
a classic vintage Warriors performance last night, right anyway, you know,
Tobacco to back up Vegas with a dominant performance like
they did. Kind of speaks to why we love it.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
It was a superb opening piece of yours, I thought, Jack,
a forceful, coordinated response. Exactly, you're ed on the nail
on the heade.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure necessarily that it will come
about because lots of countries I want to put their
head above the parapet. But we'll see, I suppose. And
yeahd be very interesting to see how Winston Peter's meetings
in Washington, DC go this week. But Kevin, you have
you found a new way to feel old this week?

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Well?

Speaker 6 (09:18):
Yeah, well let me go back just the step because
I want to wish your happy birthday earlier in the week.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Thank you. I think i'm officially in the in the
older half of New Zealand men. Now certainly i'm definitely
wiscons Yeah.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
Yeah, it's my birthday next week, Jack, at which point
i'll be exactly twice your age.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Ah, very good, Well, happy birthday, Kevin. Yeah yeah, so
you'll you'll be thirty eight, will you?

Speaker 7 (09:45):
Is that?

Speaker 6 (09:47):
Yeah? But I've found a new way to make myself
feel really old. I've discovered at our local mall, Coastlands
a coin flip Bitcoin EIGHTYM. I see they're now at
one hundred and twenty four sites throughout the country. If
you come across one of these, jack the coin Flip

(10:08):
Bitcoin ADM.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah I have. I can honestly say that I haven't
used it.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
No.

Speaker 7 (10:14):
No.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
I looked at this bitcoin ATM and I thought, that's interesting.
Can I insert the card, I use it at standard
ATM machine and get out some bitcoin? But no, of
course that doesn't work. So I went to their coin
flip website where it's explained what a bitcoin ATM is.
A Bitcoin ATM is a kiosk that allows users to

(10:38):
purchase and sell digital assets known as cryptocurrencies. I'm not
sure I understand what a digital asset is, but anyway,
if I can't use some bank card, what do I
need if I want to get a bit of bitcoin?
The website had the answer, what do you need to
make a transaction? Is a smartphone? Had one of those?

(11:02):
A crypto wallet and cash a crypto wallet. If I
wasn't sure what digital assets were, I certainly don't know
what a crypto wallet is. That the answer was on
the website. The crypto wallet is the coin flip non
custodial hot wallet available for both iOS and Android, making

(11:26):
using coin flip services even easier, Well, not easier enough
for me, mister coinflip Jack. You know how ATM machines
allow you to carry out transactions and various languages. Yeah,
I wonder if the coin Flip Bitcoin eighty ms might
introduce her techno translation service press for the older folk.

(11:51):
Now make me feel younger, Jack, would you have known
what a coin flip non custodial hot wallet was.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I don't know that I would have. I think I
would have had to google it as well. Kevin, I
certainly you know I understand what it did. Wallet is,
so I get that right. But yeah, I think I
think the thing that will show my naivete on this front,
not being someone who has invested in cryptocurrencies, is that
I wouldn't know whether you use one of those at

(12:19):
ms to buy cryptocurrency or to transfer cryptocurrency into other
legal tender. Oh yeah, so I would have if I
turned up, I wouldn't know if I'd be withdrawing cash
like regular legal tender that we use physical cash, or
buying cryptocurrencies. I wouldn't know. Maybe you can do both.

(12:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
You might be.

Speaker 6 (12:43):
I think you might be able to Jack. I read
a bit about it. Yeah, but it got to the
point where I just thought, like half of this, I
don't even know what they're talking about. Yeah, so you know,
and I mean it may turn out that they become
extremely popular. I'm not saying that they're not a good thing.
I just they're just for people of my my generation

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getting involved in coin flip non custodial wallets is highly unlikely.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
It does sound that slightly dangerous territory. I would think
as well. I'm not looking at doubt your capacity in
any way, shape or form, but yes, I think you
want to be very careful before you throw too much
money at there. So what's the plan for your birthday, Kevin.

Speaker 6 (13:26):
I don't really have one at the stage. It's a
couple of couple of on the day on, Yeah, I
think on the day on, babysitting all day.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Ah, there you go.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
So I mean that's that's that's a pleasure and an honor.
That's fine by me.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I we'll enjoy it. We'll be thinking of you and yeah, yeah,
make sure you celebrate in good form. Enjoy a few
treats in time with the fan and Kevin will catch you.
So that is that is Kevin Milmer with this this morning.
Thank you for your for your texts and emails. Jack.
Isn't it time that someone punched the bully right on
the nose? Is Paul?

Speaker 6 (14:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
I just look. I think it makes total sense for
lots of countries like New Zealand just a just a
kick the heads below the power of it, play a
low target strategy for now, and even if there is
a more coordinated international response, it doesn't need to necessarily
be aggressive. I just think we need to see lots
of smaller countries, less powerful economies coming together to actually

(14:22):
push back and to work together in each other's interests. Jack,
the Canada situation is as much to do with an
election in Canada as it is to do with Donald Trump.
You started by saying that everything's changing. However, in politics,
nothing changes. Opportunism always trumps everything. Pardon the pun, says Grant. Yeah,
that's true, Grant very well said, although you would have

(14:43):
to say that.

Speaker 7 (14:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
One of the ironies of this situation is that, you know,
even with the previous Canadian Prime Minister, Donald Trump's dislike
of Justin Trudeau has ended up benefiting Trudeau's party. Just
a couple of months ago, they were twenty five points
behind the opposition. Now they're more or less neck and
neck anyway. Ninety two ninety two is the text number
if you want to get in touch our sporto. Here

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Speaker 1 (15:07):
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Jack.

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When the elephants are dancing, it's best the mice stay
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our sporto. Andrew Saville, who's with us this morning? Killed
he Gold to Jack? Yeah, an action pack twenty four hours. Yeah,
it's very exciting weekend. Let's get to Leam Morson in
a minute, because we're we've got a bit of an

(15:38):
e fine focus on News Talks hed B this morning.
But let's start off with the Warriors return to form.
Last night. My goodness, they turned things around from Vegas.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
Talk about a turnaround. Yeah, what was it?

Speaker 9 (15:48):
Thirty six to sixteen against a very good Manly team.
I think Manly had a huge win in the first round,
so not many were picking the Warriors to upset Manly,
even at home in Auckland. But ge they played well
both sides of the ball, attack and defense.

Speaker 6 (16:06):
Particularly defense.

Speaker 9 (16:07):
I thought they really short up some holes that were
found in Vegas, so good work from the coaching staff
and also the playing stuff that was pretty much the
same team that played in Vegas. So two weeks is
a long time in football, and you know, I thought
they did very well. You know, there's there's there's some
good positive signs here. One one win doesn't make a

(16:28):
winter or season, but some good positive signs considering what
happened two weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, tell you what. Super rugby has been so exciting
this season so far, and like every every contest between
New Zealand teams, I feel like either team could win.

Speaker 9 (16:43):
I don't think I've seen so many close finishes and
what we were only five.

Speaker 6 (16:48):
Four or five weeks into the season.

Speaker 9 (16:51):
This in the first four or five weeks, we've seen
pretty much a whole season of action packed into those
games already. I think clearly the fact that referees are
speeding stoppages up, not allowing so many injury breaks. Yeah,
speeding up scrums and goal kicks and what have you.
I think that then brings fatigue into the contest. I

(17:13):
think we're seeing teams use the ball more. It helps
that conditions are good at this time of year. It
may the dust may settle a little once winter kicks in,
but for the time being, I think the football has
been superb, a superb watch. And then last night Highland
has had a big, big chance to win it with
a dropkick missed. So the Hurricanes, bottom of the table

(17:35):
lifts themselves off the canvas to the Highland Is in Dunedin,
which these days is not an easy feat.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
No, no, no, it was a great It was a
thrilling fellish especially Yeah, so Leam Lawson in Melbourne around
one of f one for twenty twenty five and I
just like, it's such an achievement to have done what
he's done to get to this, to get to this position.
But my goodness, this young guy has a lot of
pressure on him, Yes, huge pressure.

Speaker 9 (18:03):
And if he didn't know that it already he will
now I would have made and the lights were on
late last night at Red Bull because it's not just
Lawson who after that first day of practice is down
the field. It's Max for Stapping as well, right, so
that has to be a concern for them. The McLaren's
and Ferraris and Merks pretty much all ahead of them.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
So and others.

Speaker 9 (18:22):
Look, it's the first day of practice, the first day
of the Formula One season. I wouldn't panic. Red Bulls
are very sharp team, very good operators. I'd imagine they've
gone away and sorted out a few issues for Lawson. Obviously,
his first full drive on the Melbourne circuit that takes
time to get used to and just that first drive

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under this pressure. It's till very well driving for the
racing Balls last year the second tier team, but this
is this is the big, big time, huge amount of
pressure trying to stay close to the stapping on the
on the time sheets and huge pressure being in that
if one circus with huge interest not only at the track.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
But globally's the big time.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
It's just it's like it's the it's the biggest time,
you know, Like I just feel like there's so you know,
you've got the pressure of competition with the world watching you.
You've got all of that money involved, but also you
know you were driving a car at two hundred and
sixty kilometers an hour, and if something goes wrong, something
goes really wrong. You know what I mean. It's like

(19:28):
you just I just I was. I was thinking last
night and I may or may not have had it,
had a grizzling month old baby next to me, and
I was thinking, oh, man, it's hard to go to sleep.
I thought. I just thought. I was thinking about Liam Lawson.
You know, as you do, you're just lying a bit.
And I was like, imagine trying to go to sleep
before a race like the nine, before, trying to relax
with this kind of pressure on you. I just, I.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
Just I'm just going to say.

Speaker 9 (19:53):
I know it's cliched, but surely he must wake up
each morning this week and go, oh, it's not a dream.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
Yeah, I actually in Melbourne.

Speaker 7 (20:02):
I'm racing for.

Speaker 9 (20:02):
Red Bull or someone. He's wake me up. Yeah, he's
to put all that aside. He's a very level headed
young man and he he strikes me as being someone
who does handle the pressure. Today in third practice and qualifying,
he's jack just got to lay it on the line.
And drive fast, a good, good, good thing for laws yesterdays.
He didn't wrap it around the lamp post like some
others did, some of.

Speaker 7 (20:23):
The new guys.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
So that's the positive.

Speaker 9 (20:27):
I think the big bosses want him to be within
three tenths of a second of Max. He's he was,
he was, he was five tenths off Max yesterday, So
that's not bad.

Speaker 6 (20:36):
That's that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
We want you to be within three tenths of a
second of Max Stefan. Yeah, okay, that's a blink of
an island, right, yeah, I mean yeah, it's absurd, isn't it. Hey,
before we let you go, Hey, Soul Sister or Drops
of Jupiter?

Speaker 6 (20:51):
Uh what probably Drops the Jupiter.

Speaker 9 (20:54):
That's the one with the slow intro and then the
drums kicking, right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
That's the one. That's the one. Yeah, sav Nos, you're
going to train, You should be going to train. No,
I only know what I'm basically, so you'd be surprised.
I reckon Train's one of those bands that you go
and then you're like, oh, hang on, oh hang on,
I know this one too.

Speaker 7 (21:13):
You know.

Speaker 9 (21:13):
It's saving money for Metallica later in the.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Year, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, beggers there, we'll get
you soon. Our Spharto, Andrew Saville and Pat Monahan the
lead singer to train with us after ten o'clock as
our feature interview this morning. Of course, before ten, we've
got that fa joe at and condensed milk tart recipe
for you yum. And next up your film picks for
this weekend. Right now, it's twenty seven to ten.

Speaker 10 (21:36):
Sisters, mister Rayo Stereo nowhere your move fair, you know, sister.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Missing tonight.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
We just had to play it, you know, given Sam
had back drops Jupiter, we just had to do one
for hay Soul sister there. And the good news that
there's that it really needs our support. It's only had
like two billion, seven hundred and fifty six million, eight
hundred and seventy nine, four hundred and sixty two streams
so far, This song that really needs our support. The

(22:19):
thing about hayes OL's Sister is it's one of those
songs where just little production elements have probably made it right.
Like you listen to this, I reckon it's it's the
ukulele that kind of that really distinguishes the sound anyway,
Pat Monahan from training, of course, with us after teen
o'clock this morning. Right now it's twenty four to ten,
which means it's time to get your film picks for
this weekend. Francisca Rudkin, our film reviewer, is with us

(22:41):
this morning.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Killed her good morning.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Got two films, both of them showing in cinemas this morning.
So let's start off with a little bit of a
Listen to a new film starring Kate Blunchhett and Michael Fassbender.
This is black Bag.

Speaker 11 (22:54):
You asked how it works to be with someone in
this business?

Speaker 7 (22:57):
This is her.

Speaker 11 (23:00):
You've each known what you know, and you know what
he'll do, and you'll never discuss certain things again.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
I watch her, and I assume she watches me. Are
we doing anything for you, dear?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yes, anything that's black that's black bag, tell us about it.

Speaker 12 (23:26):
Oh look, break half So Michael Facebreender, Cap Blane Sheet
start in. This really quite su mature, sleek, a spy thriller.
The best thing about a jack snapping ninety three minutes.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
That's yeah, that's great. Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 12 (23:43):
At the moment, we do seem to be people are
complaining a little bit about slogging me away through through
long films. This is a film by Stephens photograph and
of course you're thinking, gosh, didn't we just review a
film by him recently? That was the sort of ghost
supernatural number called Presence. So for a man who decided
that he was going to retire from making films, he's

(24:04):
very prolific these days. This is a very sort of
sixy beautifully sort of put together, a little mature number
with a very dry, witty script. He is very much
and trying to get more mature audiences back into the

(24:24):
cinema with this little number. It's not a full on
action film as a sense, it kind of it's a
bit of a who Done It? It plays out a
little bit like a game of Cludo, and our characters
here are all sort of trying to work out how they're,
you know, how each other are maneuvering, and who potentially
could be a mole in London's National Cybersecurity Center. So

(24:48):
Michael Fassbender, he plays this character whose job it really
is to try and nut out who this potential mole
might be. And he's got some rather unusual ways of
doing that, Like he throws a dinner party for the suspects,
and he puts a little bit of truth serum into
one of the dishes, and that turns out to be

(25:11):
rather amusing and as in a party, probably quite unlike
anything that you or I have ever been to, and
off they kind of go. He also kind of uses
a polygraph test and things and to try and get
to the bottom of you know, who this person is
and what kind of unfolds here is sort of a

(25:32):
lot of personal as well as professional indiscretion. So he's
his wife is played by Kate Glenchet. She too is
a spy. And the reason it's called black Bag is
because you know, when they might say to each other, Hey, darling,
what are you up to today, She'll go, I'm heading
out of the country. I'll be back tomorrow, and he
knows where you're going. It's like black bag. You know,
it's in the black bag. It's something I can't tell
you about. It's you know, confidential. So it's also very

(25:54):
much a relationship drama as much as it is a
spy drama as well. Look, it's really well put together.
The tension is very contained. As I said, it's not
a fun action film. It's quite restrained and mature in
the way they approach this, and it's got that great script,

(26:15):
very cold characters as well. But look, it's it's a
lot of fun. It's kind of a bit more like
a more intelligent mister and Missus Smith here.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Okay, Yeah,
I mean I enjoyed Missus and Missus Smith. It was
kind of, you know, a bit of a dumb popcorn blockbuster.
But yeah, this definitely sounds like a bit of mediing.
So this is Black Bag. It's showing in cinemas at
the moment. Kate Lunchet and Michael Fassbender and directed by
Steven Soderberg. So, as you say, an all star cast
and production team. Next up, let's have a listen to

(26:47):
the trailer for Hard Truths.

Speaker 13 (26:49):
Look at you fix your face with the public handling
people's food.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
People can't stand them, cheerful grilling people.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
I can he laughing already?

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Oh, Mike Ley.

Speaker 12 (27:10):
Look, he's the ruler and director behind this film. He's
one of the most British directors of our time. He's
spent his career portraying ordinary people in their lives in
extraordinary ways. You'll know his films films such as Secret
and Lies, Very Drake and Have to Go Lucky, and
at the age of eighty two, he is back with
a new film called Hard Truths. I actually spoke to
him last week on the Sunday Seasion and it's really

(27:32):
worth having a listen because he has remained a staunchly
independent filmmaker throughout his career and he has some quite
interesting opinions on Hollywood and suitin actors because he's got
a very particular way of working. He brings in an
actor and then they for months. They will rehearse and
improvise and really get to the bottom of these characters
and who they are and how they know their lives,

(27:53):
which is why he's able to present you with such complex, interesting,
you know, characters in his films. He is reunited here
with Jean Baptist Maryanne, and she was in Secrets and Lives,
I Think with him, and she plays Pansy, who was
a deeply unhappy woman. She is suppressed, she doesn't like

(28:17):
leaving her house. She just complained endlessly about everything and
gets into some hilarious arguments with strangers. But underneath it all,
she's very lonely and she's unwell and she's dealing with,
you know, the consequences of the way she was brought
up and the way her mother treated her and things.
And this is contrasted to her sister who manages to

(28:38):
find the joy in life and things. And it gets
to a point where the sisters, you know, is trying
to help Pansy, help Pansy out. So it's kind of
a moment where she just reflects on her life and
how she's living her life and happiness and things. Look,
it's awkward and comfortable, but you know, Mike Lee isn't
going to just present you with characters that you sit

(29:00):
there and kind of giggle along with and life along
with it is challenging. This film also got beautiful moments
of humor and ultimately sort of quite poignant moving end
to it as well. I just think if we might
leave film as we're taking a look at so hearing
us back in, he's not going to stop, He's going

(29:21):
to keep up.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah cool, Okay, So that's hard truth that showing in
cinemas now. So as black Bag. Black Bag was Francisca's
first pick there, and we'll put both of those films
and all the details for them up on the news
talks he'd website. Thank you, Francisca catching in next week
Francisca red Can our film reviewer coming up after ten o'clock.
If you're just feeling kind of lazy this weekend, yeah,
you just you think, yeah, it would be nice to

(29:43):
go to the movies. It would also just be nice
to sit on the couch and just stay in your jarmis.
We've got a couple of options for you in our
screen Time segment for TV shows to watch your stream
at home, including our screen Time Experts review of the
new season of F one Drive to Survive. I think
of all of the different, you know, kind of shows

(30:06):
where they've given you the behind the scenes, back room
look at a sport, and there have been so many
of them now right ones for golf, for tennis, Tour
de France, Chain Unchained, and if One Drive to Survive.
I think if One Drive to Survive has probably been
the best. I also think it's probably been the most popular.

(30:28):
It's kind of it kind of defined that whole genre, right,
but it's a way that so many of us now
interact with sports and kind of really leans into speed
treating sports first and foremost it's entertainment, don't you think anyway,
we'll get to our screen time experts. Thoughts on the
new season of IF One Drive to Survive after ten
looking forward to the role that Liam Lawson plays in that.

(30:49):
I know he only raced a few races last season,
but the whole Willy or won't he be signed to
replace Daniel Ricardo drama I'm sure made up a big
part of the season, So looking forward to that right now.
It's called a ten on News Talk zed B for
Joa and sweet and condensed milk tarts for you next.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
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Speaker 3 (31:14):
Hey, thank you for your feedback this morning. We've had
heaps of texts and a lot of emails as well. Actually,
usually on Saturday mornings, you know, we don't dive too
deep into geopolitics. Sometimes it's nice to have a little
bit of a break. But I just I'm sure I
am kind of like you and that I just feel
like so much is changing in the world at the moment,
kind of as we speak, you know, and getting up
and seeing the speech from Mark Carney, the new Canadian

(31:37):
Prime Minister, in which he said, you know, I pledge
that Canada will never become part of the US. Seriously,
It's like, wow, this is yep, this is a different
time in which we're living. Jack, It's a very sad
state of affairs between the US and Canada. Just imagine
for a moment if New Zealand was treated like this
from Australia. It just seems so wrong, says Lee. Kevin
says Jack, I think the worst thing I've heard Trump

(31:58):
say about the whole tariffs is has suggested that Canada
could seriously become the fifty first state. He wants Greenland
as well, he wants the Panama Canal. Does he want
to all the world by using threats against others? Britain
surely won't let them take Canada, says Kevin. Well, Actually,
I think if Britain's done anything so far, it's kind
of suck up to Donald Trump. They haven't offered a
whole heap of resistance from what I've seen, and I'm

(32:21):
not sure that they really could. This is this is
my point this morning. I think heaps of countries need
to coordinate not necessarily aggressively towards the US. But I
don't think that the way to stand up to a
kind of divide and rules strategy is for individual countries
to try and punch punch back. I think they really

(32:41):
need to coordinate. So thank you for that. Ninety two
ninety two is our text number if you want to
send us some message this morning, our kok Nicki wix
is here with a delicious recipe and a great way
to use up for Joe as Nikki.

Speaker 14 (32:51):
Oh, it's a great way, and it certainly takes us
away from the gam atmosphere out there, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Look we do a variety on Saturday mornings, you know,
there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 14 (33:01):
Well, when I heard your last and try about you know,
and if you don't feel like going to the movies,
you know, just lie around on the couch, I thought, Oh,
he's going to mention eating tart.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Oh you can do that.

Speaker 14 (33:09):
Yes, certainly, I think the guys are just coming into
season and look, soon we will be drowning in them.
But at the moment they still feel like a bit
of a novelty, don't you think you sort of benis
to either pay an exhorbited price at the supermarket, or
someone who's got an early fruiting tree.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yes, there's a there's a there's a tree at our
boys school. And so he's been like absolutely smashing them.
And I went and had one the other day and
I was like, oh, yeah, it begins. Yeah, And so
it begins.

Speaker 14 (33:42):
Will it be the little featour and condensed milk tarts?
And what could be a better little combination? You know
those little sort of coconut tarts that you can sometimes
get it quite crappy bakeries, to.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Be honest, but I love you.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 (33:56):
You've got a short crass.

Speaker 14 (33:57):
Pastry around them, lovely coconuty filling, and sometimes they cherry
on top. Well, instead, I've taken that cherry out of there,
that awful glass stayed cheer that dontly belongs, and a
fruitcake and I put a beautiful, big slice of fee
Joela in there and bakes them and it's just beautiful.
So look, you need short crust pastry, So a couple
of sheets of that roll that's a little bit thinner

(34:19):
than it comes. I always tend to do that with
those pre rolled sheets. Use a cookie cutter and cut
some cut the pastry into circles to fit the holes
and come up the sides of a sort of twelve
whole muffinton. We're going to make twelve with these tarts.
You bet we would be surprised how big that circle
needs to be to sort of completely line the muffin.

(34:39):
And if you don't complete your line, it's some of
that condensed not's going to caramelize and they're going to
stick to the tin. Trust me, it has happened to me.
We make the filling really easy, and a bowl with
together a quarter of a cup of brown sugar, a
little bit more if you want't a bit sweeter, but
I always find coconut pretty sweet. Half a cup of
milk and half a cup of sweetened condensed milk from

(35:02):
the can, one and a half teaspoons of vanilla extra,
and sixty grams of melted butter wisk all that sort
of together so it's nice and smooth, and then stir
in two and a half cups of dessicated coconuts. Feels
like a lot, but it's just the right amount. Two
tablespoons of plain flour and one teaspoon of baking powder
that's just going to give us a little bit of

(35:24):
a rise. Spoon that into your pastry fillings. Top each
with a big slice of fee jour. You can either
cut them in half and scoop them out really well
with a sort of a sharp teaspoon, or you can
peel them if you like, but make sure that that
slices you're going to lose the ends. You're going to
eat those. It's probably about a send to meter sick.
Maybe you sent to meat and a half. Push that

(35:45):
into the coconut filling and bake them in your oven
for twenty to thirty minutes. They'll be gold and brown,
they'll be cooked that pastry. You'll be crisped and buttery.
Lead them to call for about ten minutes, you know,
and then pop them out of their little muffin tins.
And they're so good, Jack, They're absolutely amazing.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Well, you never need to convince me when it comes
to enjoying a recipe that involves sweet and condensed milk.
I'm a simple to Nikki, you know that, But it does.
It sounds amazing.

Speaker 14 (36:17):
Smoke so much, and I mean, what are you going
to do with the other with the other half half
half a can that you're going to.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Shure your come with a solution, maybe a Vietnamese coffee. Ah,
there you go where shock is a it's cultured. It's cultured.
You know, there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, Hey, thank
you so much. Yeah, that recipe sounds absolutely fantastic and
the perfect option for trying something a little bit different

(36:44):
with your fijos this year. We're going to make sure
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(38:25):
assistant on your phone or on your on your Apple device.
They said that was getting a complete refresh and was
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Turns out, though that hasn't been true. Their new launch
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(38:47):
o'clock news. Pat Monahan, the lead singer of Train, the
writer of this song, is going to be with us
ahead of his New Zealand shows. It has just come
up to ten this Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame. This
is News Talk's EDB.

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Speaker 6 (39:16):
It'd be.

Speaker 10 (39:21):
Now that she's back in the a must be drops
Jupiter in her head?

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Tell me did you sell cross?

Speaker 13 (39:38):
Did you make it through the milky Way?

Speaker 15 (39:40):
See the lads are fading?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
The man in his own radar, tell me did you.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
Pump on students?

Speaker 7 (39:50):
One man of prominence?

Speaker 10 (39:52):
Come and then you miss me while you're looking for
yourself out there morn.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
In a good morning if you're just turning on the radio,
jec Tae with you through the midday. That of course
has drops of Jupiter by Train.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Now.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
I Train just have a knack for writing incredibly catchy songs.
It's a kind of signature blend of rock and pop
and chart topping hits that you probably know every single
word too. And great news. Trainer coming to New Zealand
later this year, trained from Pat Monahan has been the
man behind the mic since way back in nineteen ninety three,

(40:28):
and it's with us this morning, count of good morning,
how are you? I'm very well, thank you. I wanted
to begin without getting too nostalgic and without making you
feel too old, to ask you to cast your mind
back a little bit. You have just celebrated the thirtieth
anniversary of Train, So are you able to distill the magic?

(40:49):
What is it about Train and writing and performing music
that has allowed you to endure?

Speaker 16 (40:58):
You know, I think it's uh, it's my passion to
be competitive and also my open mind this to really
love new music all the time. And there was a
time when we started to Train, and I was very
critical of other music because I was so competitive I
and it was also during a time of like shelf space,

(41:21):
where we were selling CDs and if somebody was in
that space, you didn't get that space.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
And so that was a different time.

Speaker 16 (41:29):
But now it's much more of a community of there's
so much to love. Why not just love through it
and learn from it. And I think that that's what
I continue to do, and it's helped me. Like I
listened to a lot of hip hop, and you know,
I can't I can't write those songs, but I can
definitely enjoy them. And there's always great new artists from

(41:50):
all over the world that I like to try to
connect with. How do you find new music?

Speaker 4 (41:57):
You know, back in the.

Speaker 16 (41:58):
Day, people would make playlists, and now Spotify has a
lot of playlists, so they've learned from old ski techniques
of how to get people engage. And so there are
times where I'll find something like there's a Montreal band
that I love that I found and then played it

(42:19):
for my sixteen year old daughter and she's like, oh, yeah,
I know that band. And sometimes it comes from my kids.
I have a thirteen year old son who's listening to
you know, basically classic heavy metal right now, and then
my daughter's listen to everything new. So I just keep
having kids to turn me onto new music. So maybe

(42:39):
when i'm a great grandfather, my grandchildren will teach me more.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Do they ever shame you? Do they ever say, come on, dad,
what do you mean? You don't know this band dot
dot No it is.

Speaker 16 (42:52):
It's pretty funny, like they do love what I do,
but it wouldn't be their top list, you know, it's
not their go to music, but they definitely respect what
I've done.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
I remember when I was a teenager saying to my dad, Oh,
you've got to listen to this band. You've got to
listen to this band, and he sort of never gave
me the time of day. And then about two years
later he came back to me and he said, I've
discovered this really good band who I think you might like,
The Cold cold Play. And I was like, well, I
was like, Dad, That's what I told you two years ago.
But he didn't, you know, he was never open minded

(43:27):
enough like you.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
To supposed to be bringing him anything. I get it.

Speaker 16 (43:32):
Yeah, Well I just got a text right when we
started this Zoom that Drops of Jupiter has just hit
one billion streams.

Speaker 17 (43:42):
Wow.

Speaker 16 (43:42):
So those are also pretty fun little things that keep
me excited about staying musical.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Congratulations.

Speaker 7 (43:50):
Yeah, it's a pretty cool thing.

Speaker 16 (43:51):
That's Soul Sister was a billion a few years ago,
and this is the second one for Train and it's
pretty exciting.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
I actually checked soul sister's numbers right before dialing into
you one billion, seven hundred sixty one million, three hundred
and sixty thousand, three hundred and sixty six.

Speaker 7 (44:12):
Wow, you got you got to.

Speaker 16 (44:14):
Get busy when we get off this dooom so we
can get to two billion.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
I guess Okay, So who text you?

Speaker 7 (44:22):
My manager? He just texted me.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Is there anything that happens to Spotify? You know, do
they stream the ceiling or something?

Speaker 16 (44:29):
They send an embarrassingly large plaque that has a you know,
a pretend diamond in in the middle of it, and uh,
I've never hung one, but you know, maybe maybe there's, uh,
there's a place for it somewhere at some point.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
So do you feel then that you no longer need
to be competitive? I mean, those numbers are I don't.

Speaker 16 (44:54):
I will never feel that way. Well, what is that
I'm even you know, competitive with workouts? Like you know,
I don't want to work out ever, I never want
to do it, but when I'm in it, I want
to try to do it the best I can say,
get something out of it. And it's the same way
with music, Like I've been working on a Broadway musical
for five years and I've learned a little bit of

(45:16):
language about broadways. So when someone says that's incredible, that
means rewrite that. And I'm learning as I go that
you can't quit. You have to just keep working through it.
And that's not something that I want to learn, but
it's probably good for me.

Speaker 7 (45:35):
Yeah, that's that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
So people don't give you honest feedback necessarily, or it's
kind of it's veiled.

Speaker 7 (45:41):
It's veiled.

Speaker 16 (45:42):
Yeah, they want you to be encouraged, but then they
want you to rewrite it. Yeah right, you're so close
but so far away.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah, Okay, it's not they're not saying, oh, that's that's unique,
or yeah, yeah that's interesting.

Speaker 7 (45:58):
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 18 (46:00):
Yeah is it?

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Do you find yourself kind of humbled when you're in
that environment when you're writing and you're getting that kind
of feedback given you could always say, hey, you know what,
I've just ticked over a million streams for Drops of Jupiter.
I'm almost a two million for Hayesul System. Maybe I
do actually know how to write a song.

Speaker 7 (46:23):
You know, I don't really need humbled.

Speaker 16 (46:25):
I don't feel like I've ever had a problem with humility.
I come from a small town in Pennsylvania that you know,
there was no room for that on the last of
seven kids, so none of us were able to be
too sure of ourselves. But I do need ten minutes,
Like I just saw on Instagram, if somebody really pisses

(46:47):
you off, take ten minutes before you respond.

Speaker 7 (46:50):
And that's what I'll do. I'll take a walk and
then I'll come back and get to work.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Yeah, that's very wise. So can you tell us about
the musical at all?

Speaker 7 (46:58):
And the sure?

Speaker 16 (46:59):
Yeah, it was a movie with Mark Grofflo called Begin
Again John Carney, the same writer as like Once and
Sing Town, and so this is They asked me to
write all the music for it. I think there's one
or two pieces of music from the movie that will

(47:20):
stay and everything else I've written with my two bandmates.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
How different is it writing writing for that, writing for
Broadway versus writing for train right?

Speaker 7 (47:30):
Incredibly different.

Speaker 16 (47:31):
It'd be like you saying, will you write a song
for me to sing to my significant other? But here's
what I want them to know, and then then I
write the song based.

Speaker 7 (47:44):
On that, which is much.

Speaker 16 (47:46):
It seems like it would be easier because it's a
direct assignment, but it's not.

Speaker 7 (47:51):
It's pretty difficult.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
So if you are competitive when it comes to music
and it comes to comes to writing and streams and success,
what's Pat Monahan like at boll game night.

Speaker 7 (48:04):
Well, I'd rather be playing golf than anything. So, but
I but I you know what I do? Play golf
in cards? Have you ever heard of cards?

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Now?

Speaker 7 (48:15):
Golf? It's real fun.

Speaker 16 (48:17):
It goes fast, You're playing nine holes and you should
check it out on the internet.

Speaker 7 (48:22):
It's a it's a fun little game.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Okay, Yeah that sounds.

Speaker 16 (48:25):
I have a glass of wine and we're playing golf,
either on the real course or or at a card table,
then I'll be pretty happy.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
You're listening to Jack Tame on news talk ZB. I
am speaking to Pat Monahan, founder and lead singer of Train,
ahead of their New Zealand performances. Obviously, being competitive has
has paid off when it comes to music, because I
mean Trying has a just ridiculous success over the last
few decades. All of the album's streams, singles, success awards,

(48:59):
et cetera. Do you know when you have an absolute
top tier hit? Do you know when you're writing you're
going through the process.

Speaker 16 (49:07):
Yeah, So I've never known everything I think will be
a hit is awful and no one cares about it.
And then songs like Drops Jupiter that was very strange
that people responded to it, and then a yukulele and
then a song about you know, fifty ways of say goodbye,
you know, like you're breaking up with your girlfriend, so

(49:27):
you tell your friend she died. Like all the weird
ones somehow make an impression on the World's.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Funny, so good for anyone who doesn't know the story?
Do you mind telling us? When you're writing Hay Soul's Sister,
how you you? You were kind of there but not
quite And then what pushed it over the line and
made it the year worm that it is?

Speaker 7 (49:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (49:46):
I wrote with a couple of guys from Norway in
New York City. We had already written a song that day.
I had already written a song with someone else called
if It's Love. And then I went down to another
studio in New York and we were writing Hey Soul's
Sister and on guitar, and it was fine, and all
the vocal parts were done. But then listening back to it,

(50:06):
it was like, I mean, it's it's fine. And then
one of the guys picked up a ukulelean to Stary
bring and I was like, whoa, I think maybe we
just got it. Yeah, ukulele can change the atmosphere within
a room pretty quick.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Yeah, it's funny. It's just it's like ninety five percent
of the ingredients are there and it just takes one
little thing to push it over the edge. And they can.
They can be the little thing. Yeah, yeah, that's right now.
I know you've been touring a fee a bit lately.
You've had it very been very busy of the last
twelve months or so. Throughout the UIs tell us about
the New Zealand show. I know so many people here

(50:44):
are just delighted that you're going to be back down under.

Speaker 16 (50:47):
Yeah, I'm very excited. I think it's been too many
years that we haven't been in Auckland. And my wife
and her family drank so much New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc
that they said you better go and bring a bunch back,
and so like Kim Crawford and Cloudy Bay, and I
want to find out like some of the ones we
can't get here, but New Zealand cid blanc is always

(51:10):
very refreshing and I don't know if there's alcohol in it.
I've never never found that out, but I'm pretty sure
there is. And you know, the people of New Zealand
are just lovely. I have many friends that are Australian
and from New Zealand that I really cherish.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Well, we're delighted that you're going to be here. We're
going to have all the dates on our website and
all the very best pat and make sure you carve
out a couple of days so perhaps you can make
it down to Marlborough and New Zealand and enjoy a
couple of bottles us there. I would love that fantastic train.
They're going to be in New Zealand playing Aucklands Town
Hall on May twenty eighth. You can get your tickets
through ticket Master or of course you can search for

(51:51):
train on the Auckland Live website. Now coming up before
eleven o'clock on News Talks, he'd be the Pope hopefully
is recovering, but it has been pretty touch and go
to say the least over the last couple of weeks,
at least if the official reports are to be believed. Pneumonia,
which is something which afflicts thousands of people every year

(52:11):
and can be incredibly serious.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
So before we eleven.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
O'clock this morning, we're gonna catch up with doctor Brian
Betty get his cut a one oh one explanation of
how pneumonia affects people what we can do to prevent
ourselves from getting pneumonia as well. Next up, though your
screen time picks for this weekend, including the brand new
season of F one Drive to Survive. Right now, it's
twenty past ten you with Jacktame. This is News Talk's EDB.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Start your weekend off in style.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Saturday mornings with Jack Tame and Bpure dot co dot
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Speaker 3 (52:45):
Twenty three minutes past ten on Newstalk's EDB means it's
screen time time. Our screen time expert is Tara Awards.
She's here with her three picks for this week.

Speaker 13 (52:54):
Hey Tara, good morning.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Okay, let's begin with a new show starting streaming on Netflix.
It's a legal kind of British drama, tell Us about Adolescens.

Speaker 19 (53:04):
Yeah, this is a new British drama. Is one of
the best things I have seen on TV in a
long time, but also also one of the most intense
and heartbreaking. This is created and written by the actor
Stephen Graham who stars in this as well, and Jack Thorne,
who created a show I talked about a couple of
weeks ago called Toxic Town. And it's directed by Philip
Baranteiney who directed Boiling Points. So there's some real talent

(53:27):
behind the show, and it tells the story of a
teenager who is accused of murder. Now, the thing to
know about the show is that each episode is filmed
in a single continuous take, so there are no cutaway shots,
there are no breaks in the drama. Everything plays out
in real time. So the first episode starts with the
arrest at the family house and then we drive to

(53:48):
the police station and go through the first hour of
the boy being processed and interviewed, and it feels like
you're there. It feels like real life, like you're experiencing
this with these characters as it's happening, and you just
can't look away. Each of the four episodes looks at
what is actually going on with this boy, and it's
not your typical crime drama because he's a good kid

(54:10):
from a good family. But as the series goes on,
things like social media and the influence of that dark
in cell online culture and technology comes into play. So
it's it's incredibly powerful, heartbreaking television. I watched an episode
last night and I couldn't sleep afterwards. It just really
gets you from the opening moments. It's incredible.

Speaker 13 (54:32):
But it is a lot as well.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Oh man, it's that sounds fantastic. When you say it's
like a single take, do you mean like one shot.

Speaker 19 (54:41):
One shot the whole episode? So five fifty minutes, And
apparently they've they've captured a lot of behind the scenes
footage which I would love to see to see how
they actually because you're you're moving, you're moving through the house,
and then you're moving on the road, and then you're
moving through the police station, and it switches from the
parents to the police officers, to the lawyer to the detective,

(55:01):
and you're just continually moving and shifting, and it's just
like incredible.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
That's that's crazy because a few shows have tried it.
I think Bear tried it, did it for an episode,
or did like something very similar for an episode, which
was all The Beard did, which was good. And then
there was that movie as well, what was the one,
you know, the movie Ye.

Speaker 19 (55:22):
Boiling Point, which is directed by the guy who has
directed this this, which also featured Stephen Graham. So a
lot of the people in this show have worked together before,
and I think that really is key to make it work.
They all really trust each other and trust the process,
and it just has paid off.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Nineteen seventeen maybe as well. It's just seemed I'm always like, what, why,
why are you doing this?

Speaker 5 (55:44):
Yeah, you don't have to do this?

Speaker 19 (55:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think the director was
asking himself the same thing because it's just such a mission.

Speaker 6 (55:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Fantastic though, great recommendation. Okay, so that's Adolescence. That's on
Netflix now on Apple TV plus. Tell Us about Dope Thief.

Speaker 19 (55:59):
Yeah, another crime drama. This one has quite a different
feel to it though. This is gritty and dark and
times really really funny. This is said in Philadelphia and
the first episode as directed by Ridley Scott, who also
executive produced this. But Dope Thief is about two longtime
friends and low level criminals who run the scheme where
they pretend to be police officers, so they run into

(56:21):
drug houses pretending to be the law. They take all
the money and the drugs that they can find, and
then they sell what they can take, and it's a
very successful plan until they choose the wrong neighborhood and
the wrong house and find themselves and over their head
and tangled up in a real undercover police case. Now,
this is not the type of show that I would
usually watch, but I really enjoyed this. It feels like

(56:42):
a cross between The Wire and Breaking Bad, with a
lot of humor as well. The riding is sharp and
self aware, and the two main characters are really likable
and sympathetic, and the show shifts between the more serious
moments of drama and those moments of colmedy quite well
as well. So it's taking that heist format and playing
with it a little bit, but still keeping all the

(57:03):
shootouts and the chases that people would expect.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Okay, that's dope Thief. So that's on Apple TV Plus
and on Netflix. A brand new season off one, Drive
to Survive.

Speaker 19 (57:13):
Yeah, the seventh season of Drive to Survive. And I
know we've talked about this show before, Jack, but it
is one of the best sports documentary series out there.
This is the season that go This is the series
that goes behind the scenes of Formula one and pulls
back that curtain on what really goes on and is
less about the car racing and more about the personalities
and the money and the politics that are playing out

(57:36):
in the background. And it's the show that has a
little bit of everything. And I think it has changed
the way we watch sport on television over the last
few years, and has also made Formula one really accessible
for a lot of people. But it takes what is
essentially cars driving around in circles and makes it entertaining.
The photography is beautiful, the editing is slick. You've got

(57:56):
all that juicy behind the scenes footage, and it doesn't
patronize the people who already know a lot about the
spot sport as well, which I think is quite a
tricky balance to achieve. Netflix have tried this with other
sports like golf and tennis and America football and athletics,
but Drive to Survive is the best, and I think
that's because there is so much money and ego involved

(58:17):
here in the action is such high stakes. This season
features Liam Lawson. The last episode of the season, episode eight,
is all about Liam, and that's a great episode. If
you just want to watch one episode of Drive to Survive,
I would watch that one.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Ah, yes, very good. I've just started it and I
was wondering, you know, when we would see his side
of things. I'm looking forward to that. I think you're right.
I think it is probably the best of the style
of things, although I am also a huge fan of
Tour de France unchained. Yes, that's excellent as well. Yeah,
that's a close second. It's something like you say, it's
the combination of like big personalities, big money, high drama.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
You know.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Anyway, that sounds superb. Thank you so much, Tara. So
those shows once again, Adolescence is that fantastic new drama,
the one done in a single shot on Netflix, Dope
Thiefs on Apple TV Plus, and Drive to Survive season
seven is on Netflix. And if you are an F
one fan, of course, this being the first Formula one
race weekend of twenty twenty five and Melbourne just former day.

(59:14):
We've got a book that we're going to tell you about.
This amazing new book from a journo who's been chasing
the F one scene around the world. His name's Luke
Smith and the book because a real kind of insiders
look at Formula one has a few really interesting little
tidbits and exclusive information. So we're going to tell you
about that for mid day. Thank you for your feedback, Jack,
Love Train, Drops of Jupiter's my morning alarm. There you go,

(59:35):
love it, Jack. I buy my CDs from op shops
these days, says Grant.

Speaker 6 (59:40):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
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a Train CD a few months ago. I hadn't heard
of them. However, when I read the track list saw
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I didn't recognize Drops of Jupiter until I heard it,
but absolutely one of my best buyers. Now, so there
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To two eleven Non news Talks EDB. Well beforeteen o'clock
this morning, Kevin Milne was expressing his befuddlement with a
bitcoin eight am that he happened to come across. If
anyone knows how to use a bitcoin EIGHTYM, I'm figuring
it'll be our Textbert Paul Stenhouse, Paul Di you've come
across one of these before.

Speaker 21 (01:03:07):
No, but there are some places I've been to where
you can you can choose to pay at the cash
register using bitcoin right And it was a really great
story with someone you know this is now years ago,
probably ten years ago, paid for a pizza, yes, in bitcoin,
and that pizza today is now worth like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Like the bitcoin that he used to No, I think
it's I think it's literally like tens of millions of dollars.

Speaker 21 (01:03:31):
It may even be yeah, yea, yeah crazy. I mean
they were worth they were absolutely worthless, like it was
just and of course now they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
But I mean, okay, so you see a few of
these ATMs around the place, and maybe you can buy
a pizza and stuff, but you Kevin's issue, well, Kevin,
I mean he just didn't have any of the kind
of various apps and things that you need order to
get it. And also I don't I mean, he didn't
own any bitcoin. I'm not sure he was terrible enthusiastic
about investing some, but maybe maybe he would be. I

(01:04:00):
suppose you could argue, though, that cryptocurrencies have kind of
failed in their large failed at least to this point,
if they were looking to replace normal currencies like we
don't we people generally don't use cryptocurrencies for buying stuff.
They generally use them for speculative purposes or even nefarious purposes.

Speaker 21 (01:04:21):
And some there was exactly the word I was going
to use, and Kevin being the upstanding yes, obviously does
not PARTICLK.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
It's never needed to loann to hundreds of millions of dollars.
Necessarily No.

Speaker 21 (01:04:31):
But the problem is is people just see them You're
right though, right, there is this there is this real promise.
And if you listen to the people who are big
into crypto, they're like, it's gonna you know, money is going.

Speaker 13 (01:04:40):
To cross borders, international borders.

Speaker 22 (01:04:42):
We're not going to need.

Speaker 21 (01:04:43):
But the problem is is it's just at the moment,
it's for scam artists. You've got people like you, you know,
the Donald Trump coin or the Milania coin.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
It's like you just pump it up, you hype it up,
and then you sell and crashes. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Anyway,
So Apple Intelligence was built as this kind of revolution
for people in the Apple sphere, people with iPhones and
look about pumping things. Uh, and one of the big
changes they were promising. So they launched a new phone
last year, the I think their iPhone sixteen, right, and

(01:05:11):
they said that Apple Intelligence is coming. But they did
this weird thing. They were like, Apple Intelligence is coming
in a few months and si, yeah, and Siri, the
Apple Voice Assistant is going to be really amazing. It's
going to do things you never thought were possible. How's
that going? Not well, quite simply.

Speaker 21 (01:05:29):
And it's kind of made me think back to some
of those really bad Apple launches, like they try to
launch bikeloud. I still don't touch iCloud because it was
such a disaster launched.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Yeah, Apple Maps.

Speaker 21 (01:05:40):
I'm very really open Apple Maps because do you remember
that was just it was sending people down roads and
roads didn't exist or roads were underwater. It took Apple
ten years basically to kind of like reget, you know,
to refresh their image in their brand around Apple Maps
to be something people actually want to use. And unfortunately,

(01:06:00):
this Apple Intelligence, which I've said to you I think
is the most genius AI branding around Apple and Intelligence.
Love it, it just hasn't delivered. And they really talked
about the Siri that we were kind of promised back
when Suri launched. You know, a Siri that knows things
that are going on. It knows who your mum is,
It knows that your mum's on a flight. You can

(01:06:21):
ask it, you know, when when should I be going
to the airport? And it's going to say, well, actually,
your mum's flight's delayed by thirty minutes.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:06:26):
It was kind of like that real Jetson's kind.

Speaker 21 (01:06:29):
Of future peace, and they just they seemingly can't do it.
And Apple has now had to admit that it's going
to take longer than we thought. This is the statement,
It's going to take us longer than we thought to
deliver on these features, and we anticipate rolling them out
in the coming year. I think Jack, they were so
caught up in this AI hype because I mean, it's

(01:06:50):
been it's been a hype cycle, right that they pushed
this out, or they said that it was coming, it
was not ready, it still isn't ready, and now they're
having to deal with the consequences of that. So probably
they talked about it last year, so last summer, So
what n ninelish months?

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
I mean it is is there. I'm not just asking
you to put your your kind of Bush lawyer hat
on here. Is there a false advertising kind of law
so that it could be taken Because I was I
was considering, you know, I need to upgrade my phone.
I thought, can I hang on one more year? And
I remember looking at all the promos and they talked
it up so much.

Speaker 21 (01:07:30):
There's a billboard right by the subway and it's got it.
It's this massive thing, and it was you know, partnered
up with one of the carriers. It's like, you know,
get the latest iPhone sixteen on Verizon now with Apple Intelligence.

Speaker 18 (01:07:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:07:40):
And I remember looking at it just before, I you know,
before they came up with this and thinking to myself,
it isn't delivered, it hasn't come, it isn't launched. And
I was thinking exactly that same thing. I wouldn't be surprised.
I think they've couched it. I mean, they have delivered
on some of the features. So you can now get
your email summaries, your message summaries, your notification summaries that's
powered by Apple Intelligence. Yeah, you can create a memoji

(01:08:04):
that's powered by Apple and Intelligence. So they probably have delivered.
I use that with loose terms on Apple Intelligence.

Speaker 18 (01:08:12):
But the promise that they.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Were they made on surih th stuff, the.

Speaker 21 (01:08:17):
Cool stuff about Sirih. I mean, I personally think that
Apple Intelligence has made my sire dumber than it's ever being. Yeah,
I mean I used to love when surrih used to
say you have one alarms set and it's like really
one alarms, one alarms, and now it doesn't even recognize
my voice.

Speaker 18 (01:08:32):
So I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:08:33):
Apple intelligence is very intelligent at all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
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Well, it has been a bit of a tough few
weeks for the Vatican with the Pope hospitalized with suspected pneumonia,
so we thought we'd better get doctor Brian Betty and
just to give us a bit of a pneumonia one
oh one. He's with us this morning.

Speaker 13 (01:09:01):
Held a good morning, Oh cure, Jack.

Speaker 23 (01:09:03):
Nice to be here, Yeah, nice.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
To be chatting with you. Let's just start with the
absolute most basic question. What is pneumonia?

Speaker 18 (01:09:10):
Look?

Speaker 23 (01:09:11):
Pneumonia? Yeah, Look, it's a very serious lung infection. Now
it's caused by a bacterial virus or occasionally a fungus,
and the bacterial virus lodges itself down in the lungs
and causes an infection on the lungs. Now, this can
be either often we see at the base of both
lungs and we call that bilateral, or it can be

(01:09:32):
in one of what we call the lobes of the lungs,
so a certain segment. Now, the problem with the bacteria
of virus getting down there is the body can react
to it, so it tries to get rid.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
Of the infection.

Speaker 23 (01:09:43):
So you start to get a temperature. Because temperature tries
to kill the virus or the bacteria, the lung becomes
inflamed and often it fills up with secretions of fluid
or even in very severe cases puss. And these are
very very serious infection. So, yeah, pneumonia's pneumonia is generally
not a good thing to get.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
No, well, I think even more than generally never.

Speaker 23 (01:10:05):
Never again, Yeah, to be stronger on there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
So what are the causes and how do you actually
know you have pneumonia?

Speaker 23 (01:10:13):
Yeah, Look, there's two basic types. One we call community acquired,
so you get it in the community and can develop.
The other one you can get in hospital, and we
call that hospital acquired. Now I'll make your point here,
hospitals are not great places to be. We have lots
of sick people and infections often travel around, so they've
got quite a high infection rate, and pneumonia is one
of the things that can happen in hospital now. We

(01:10:36):
see it often if your immune system is weakened. Now
that happens as you get older. If you've got some
sort of illness such as diabetes or asthma, it can
increase the risk. Smoking is a very very big risk factor.
We know smoke, it's bad, but it can actually produce pneumonia.
And as I mentioned, actually hospitals are risk BacT for
pneumonia now in some cases as viruses such as influenza

(01:10:59):
or covid, and they can cause pneumonia, which is why
they are so dangerous and we have to be very
very careful about them. And look, the main symptoms can
have very rapid onset, so you can be feeling well
and you feel unwell very quickly. Often there's a very
persistent cough, you can bring up lots of phlegm and
colored sputum often fever or chills, grigles and feeling very

(01:11:24):
hot is a feature. Chest pain and actually feeling shorter breath.
That's a really significant factor. So if you're feeling short
of breath and struggling to breathe with a temperature, that's
a signal you really do need.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
To do something.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
So how do you treat pneumonia?

Speaker 23 (01:11:38):
Look, it depends on the type. So if you see
your GP because you've got a temperature, your breathing is
a bit difficult and you're cocking up lots of phlegm,
we do an examination and often we can pack up
the pneumonia on the examination. We'll often order us chest
ticks around those situations. But we start you on antibiotics
straight away, usually for about seven to ten days, plenty

(01:11:59):
of fluids, parasitamol and antibotic and look, in most cases,
if we get in early, it'll shut things down and
it'll cure the infection. Now if it gets more severe
or if you get a viral pneumonia, now, the problem
with viral pneumonias we don't have adequate treatments often, so
the pneumonia is just time for the body to get
rid of it, and we'll treat it with parasital mol

(01:12:20):
and fluids and time. But if it gets more severe
with your breathing or what's actually happening. Look, you may
need to go into hospital and you need what we
call oxygen support, or in very severe cases you have
to go on a ventilator to actually help the lungs breed,
and that that that can lead to a very very
poor outcome. So so here we get really concerned of

(01:12:41):
things progress and and not responding to treatment.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Yes, and of course prevention is always preferable to So
how do you prevent pneumonia?

Speaker 23 (01:12:52):
Look really important. Look, vaccination's got a role to play.
So as I said, flue covid can lead to pneumonia,
So getting those vaccinations and keeping them up to data
is important. There is another specific vaccination called NEWMCCCLE. So
if you're over the age of sixty five, it's not funded.
It's worth talking to your doctor about that because that

(01:13:13):
stops one of the common causes of pneumonia, which is
striped pneumonia. Stop smoking. Look, we're always going to say that,
but if you want to reduce the chances of something
like that happening, smoking is not a good idea and
looks staying healthy, I suppose bounced diet, exercise, managing diabetes
and asthma is really important. So those those basic things

(01:13:35):
that we always advise to do I think are important
immune system healthy and but look baseline, if you are
short of breath and you do have a temperature, please
please see your doctor and get dissessed.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Yeah, that's great advice. We really appreciate it, Brian, Thank
you so much.

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Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Yeah, I wrote ty to irritate us. He's uh, he's
referencing a subject this morning, bumblebees that are preparing for winter.

Speaker 6 (01:14:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:14:17):
Yeah, because I think you remember a couple of months
ago I was talking about take a post school and
all that sort of stuff that we were doing there
for these for one of the rare species. But anyway,
I just want to just make a general statement about us.
The large bumble bee that you probably even your garden
and everybody has in New Zealand, and that is one
of the best pollinators we have, the new.

Speaker 24 (01:14:38):
Zee by the way, And I'm really really cool to
actually actually encouraged to be at your place.

Speaker 17 (01:14:46):
So what the trick is here that with these particular
bumble bees is that they don't really go for nectar
or not that much because they don't make If you
like big hives, they've got the nests and they go
to one. If you like cycle a, yeah, that's it,

(01:15:07):
and now comes the time when that is slowing down
and right he comes. The coolest thing of all is
that first as I use them for pollination of my tomatos.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Right right, okay, yeah, And they don't.

Speaker 17 (01:15:22):
Do it like a bee by sticking their tongue in
the sucking nectar because tomatoes don't have nectar, but they
like the pollen, so the way they get the pollen out.

Speaker 25 (01:15:30):
But it is a crazy, really cool thing.

Speaker 22 (01:15:33):
You can always hear a bumblebee coming past, you know,
that sort of stuff, and that vibration is how they
actually shake the pollen out of the flowers. It's a
really cool thing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Yes, I saw a lot of them. I saw a
lot of bumblebees on my capskan plant this summer.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Exactly the same thing, same sort of thing.

Speaker 24 (01:15:55):
And the thing is, if you don't have any bumblebees,
you can use transistant and vibrating if you like a toothbrush,
you know, one of those things to do exactly the
same thing again, that noise, and then the whole movements
get those pollinating anyway. But what we're getting now is
that the queens are quickly laying a hell of a

(01:16:16):
lot of eggs to get young queens. They call them gains, right,
and these things need to mate with male bubble bees
right now. And what happens then is that the mated
queens will hibernate literally in a little hole in the
ground or in a little box that you'll find on
the website that I've put there, a little box that

(01:16:38):
you can make for them, and these things will literally
go through winter, and they even go through winter at
four degrees because they can actually make themselves warm by vibrating,
like becoming really.

Speaker 25 (01:16:50):
Nice and where they really call these things. But this
is important because if you want those bubble bees to
be around, now's the time to look after them and
make sure that you've got places for them to stay.
That is what that is about. And so all these
little bits and pieces will be on the website. I
don't think Libby a short dead all that. And here
comes the nicest thing. If you've got a little box

(01:17:12):
and you put an old mouse nest in with mouse pool.
You'll be surprised how these guys, these new queen bumblebees
go oh, what's I like that?

Speaker 23 (01:17:25):
And they go in.

Speaker 13 (01:17:27):
And they live in that little real yeah d.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Well, there you go. Yeah, lemon's had lemonade there lemonade. Yeah,
very good, Thank you sir. We will catch you you
very soon. Rude climb passing the garden for us and
all of that stuff, including some pictures of those little
kind of wooden nests. You want to repurpose some mouse
droppings and a mouse nest, then that's the way to
do it. We'll put that photo up on their website.

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More.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Any of you were jactating on news talks, he'd be
through the mid day today. The thing about young boys
is they just absolutely love superlative objectives. You know what
I mean by that, like the best, the strongest, the highest,
the longest, the fastest. They're absolutely obsessed with ists. In

(01:19:23):
my experience, So when it was my our eight year
old's birthday a couple of weeks ago, we knew we
had the perfect president in mind when we bought him
as first ever edition of the Guinness World Records. Are
absolutely obsessed with, you know, the longest fingernails, the highest jump,
the tallest man, et cetera, et cetera. Anyway, because young

(01:19:43):
boys are obsessed with superlative objectives, are we While ago
our eight year old asked me who the best ever
banned in New Zealand was, And of course you can
try and explain to them, well, you know, it's in
the eye the beholder, and you know different people have
different answers and all of that kind of thing. But
of course I went with the easy appearenting option, is
that I simply answered she Had she Heards the best

(01:20:03):
ever band from New Zealand, because he wanted to hear
the best of a band in New Zealand. It kind
of became our thing that anytime we were in the
car together we would always listen to Shehard. And he said,
I just want to listen to Shehard. I want to
listen to she Hard. They're the best ever band in
New Zealand. I say, okay, okay, whatever. So we'd listened
to She Had. And then a couple of months ago,
we were walking along the street when who would I

(01:20:25):
bump into but She Hard front man John too Good,
and I was waiting for our eight year old to
come out of school. He came out of school. I
was sitting there talking to John Too Good for a
couple of minutes, one of those kind of only in
New Zealand stories. It's just a village, you know, et cetera,
et CETERA. Eight year old comes out and I'm standing
there and I said, roomy, I want to introduce you
to someone, and he goes, oh, yep, and I said,
this is John Too Good. And he goes hello and

(01:20:47):
John said, hey, how are you doing roumy? Yeah, good things.
How was your day at school?

Speaker 6 (01:20:50):
Yeah? Good?

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Thank you? Oh you enjoy school?

Speaker 10 (01:20:52):
Do you?

Speaker 7 (01:20:53):
Yep? Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
I like school. And I said to Rumy, hey, Roomy
just had an interest. Who do you think is the
best ever New Zealand band? And without missing a beat,
he said she had and John looked at him and said, ah,
they're okay.

Speaker 7 (01:21:10):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
The reason I mentioned this is that she had Are
on their final final absolutely wrap it up after three
decades tour, well almost four decades tour. They played at
Spark Arena last night and they reckon. It was the
biggest ever audience for a New Zealand headlining band for
a show with the New Zealand band headlarning at Spark
Arena last night. And now man Chris Schultz was there

(01:21:34):
in the audience, so he's going to give us a
review off. She had's final tour performance at Spark Arena
last night. Before midday, he'll be in. We'll make sure
we cove out a bit of time just to play
a couple of she had hits as well. If not
for Roomy then for the rest of us, right, right now,
it's ten past eleven on Newstalk and clinical psychologist Doogle
Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being as with us this one

(01:21:56):
in kilder Google Cura Jack.

Speaker 18 (01:21:58):
I was just listening about she had and I was thinking.

Speaker 8 (01:22:01):
I've got their very first album Chun on CD somewhere
way downstairs, Yeah, which is quite it's quite a different
sound than the later stuff.

Speaker 18 (01:22:11):
But well it's very heavy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Yeah, it's very very heavy, right, very heavy. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (01:22:19):
Really you know, it's great just for if you want
something really.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
Really war that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
So I reckon, I was thinking about this who's the
best of New Zealand band? And I was like, oh,
you can make arguments for you know, like I guess
are we going to call crowded house in New Zealand band?

Speaker 23 (01:22:33):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
But I think if you're going like certainly down the
rock route, like if it's true rock, then absolutely yeah,
top of this for me, you know, yeah yeah, and
for really and for various others. Anyway, we are talking
parenting this morning, So my parenting technique when asked who
the best of a band was was to not try
and explain that it's in the eye of the beholder
and that you know, it's really up to each individual.

(01:22:56):
It was simply to say, she hard. But you've got
some other parenting tips this morning, and one of those
simple tips for parents is that parents actually have to
focus on themselves a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:23:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:23:08):
Absolutely, And it's one of the things I think parents
really struggle with, particularly with they've got you know, I
was thinking about you guys with a new baby and
young kids. I think it's something particularly having some time.
You know that that kind of classic me time, focused
time for yourself is quite a difficult thing for many

(01:23:28):
parents because it comes with a layer of kind of
guilt or the sense that you're being judged by other
people if you if you if you take some time
out for yourself. But in fact we know that taking
some I don't sure I love the twom me time
because it sounds a bit selfish, but will go with it.

Speaker 18 (01:23:46):
Taking taking that me time.

Speaker 8 (01:23:48):
Is actually really the researcher Shan's actually really beneficial not
only for a parent's well being, but also for the
well being of other people around them, and and so
I you know, it's I strongly support parents to be
able to take that that time out to focus us on.

Speaker 18 (01:24:07):
And it's more than just sort of having time away
from the kids.

Speaker 8 (01:24:10):
You know, you can just say, oh, you know, daycare
or whatever, but it's it's what the research is really
pointing to is actually doing something that really engages you
and and it's pleasurable. So deliberately seeking out some things
that are going to give you pleasure and fun and

(01:24:32):
and and energy.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Really yeah, So that's that's really interesting that that it
kind of is not just time away from the kids,
it's actually something for yourself. So I'm not I swear
I'm not just trying to go for a Husband of
the Year here. But this week, this week's been my
first first week that full time at work, So my
wife's been at home with the baby, and you know,
it's like it's great, but it's also grueling. And so

(01:24:56):
when I've been getting home, I've been like walking through
the front door and being like right, tag you go,
And she's been rushing off and going to the mall
and getting like a cheap more massage. But she's loving it,
like it's really like I noted, Like she comes back
and it's already like so you know, it's just so
good even just to go for half an hour. It's
just like you really you can see the kind of benefits. A.

Speaker 8 (01:25:17):
Yeah, you can, And that's kind of there's some recent
research out that sort of hits on exactly that thing.
Is that actually if if and it was particularly focused
on mothers, that mothers who went out and did that
kind of thing had higher levels of what they call vitality,
and vitality is really being alert and energized and having energy,

(01:25:42):
and that people who or.

Speaker 18 (01:25:44):
Mums who did that had those much higher levels of energy.

Speaker 8 (01:25:48):
It was almost like the metaphor I can think of it.
It's really like recharging your batteries.

Speaker 6 (01:25:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:25:54):
And the interesting spin off too was that in the
research they found that mother's levels of vitality predicted their
partner's levels.

Speaker 18 (01:26:01):
Of vitality as well. So if you've got to if.

Speaker 8 (01:26:04):
You've got an energetic vital you know, mother, then often
the partners that flows into the partners as well. It
shows I think the benefits to the whole family really
are being able to just have that recharge time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
See, I reckon For a lot of parents, the one
of the challenges that they just feel a bit guilty.

Speaker 7 (01:26:25):
Ah.

Speaker 8 (01:26:26):
Yes, Guilt's a huge thing. I think, and I think
like thinking about my own parenting journey, but also I've
worked with like hundreds of sort of families over I
guess the last twenty five.

Speaker 18 (01:26:38):
Years or so, that that guilt that they've got it
wrong or that they're doing something wrong, it really comes.

Speaker 8 (01:26:44):
I think it has a huge role in lots of
aspects of parenting, and really often it doesn't need to
but but I appreciate that it does. But often that guilt,
I think, can can prevent people from doing something, in
this case taking time out for themselves. So I think
it's really important to be aware that you might feel guilty.

(01:27:06):
But actually this research showed that that that you can
feel the guilt and still do it anyway and it's
still had an impact.

Speaker 18 (01:27:12):
So it's a bit like feeling the fear and doing
it anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
And it's actually beneficial for everyone. That's the kind of
key point.

Speaker 18 (01:27:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:27:20):
Look, the idea is that if you again going back
to that battery metaphor, if your batteries.

Speaker 18 (01:27:25):
Are low in terms of energy, then then you aren't
very good at engaging with anybody.

Speaker 8 (01:27:32):
Really, you know, you can only do it and you
when were energy levels are low, we tend to lose
our you know, lose our call abuse or be much
less patient. And that's not.

Speaker 18 (01:27:41):
Particularly useful for anybody.

Speaker 8 (01:27:44):
You're a bit less engaged, like and we know it's
crucial for parents to be actively engaged with their children,
looking at them, interacting with them, talking to them. And
that's harder to do if you have if you have
low levels of energy. And look, it can be anything.
You know, somebody, you know, like your your wife's going
out to have a massage is her thing. My wife

(01:28:05):
at the moment has spent the more wanting herkle dirkling
and so that's that's her, that's her thing that she's doing,
just to.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Research, just remind us what herkle gurkling is.

Speaker 8 (01:28:15):
Herkle dirkling is an old Scottish term that means lying
around in bed, not doing very much.

Speaker 18 (01:28:22):
And we got some we got some friends and the.

Speaker 8 (01:28:24):
Need and who often will text and say, oh what
are you doing and they say, oh, we've just been
hurdle gurkling.

Speaker 18 (01:28:31):
Sort of stage of just you know, lying in and
out of beers and.

Speaker 8 (01:28:34):
You know getting up and you know, you reminded me
of it earlier this morning when you I think you
were talking about you know what sort of your day
you're going to have you doing it. You might just
want to stay in your pajamas and watch TV or something,
and that's that Hirkle Gurkle.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Yeah, I'm into it. That's great, very good. It wouldn't
be bad on triple word score as well, a Herkle
Dirk would it?

Speaker 18 (01:28:56):
Absolutely scrabble and bed.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Yeah, very good. Thanks to love it. Go Sutherland from
Umbrella Well being there. We'll put all of that ad
buys up on the news talks the website.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Right now it is seventeen minutes past to leave. If
you want to flicker to text ninety two. Ninety two
is the number. A travel correspondent is the next.

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
Travel with Windy Woo Tours. Where the World is yours book.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Now, Mike Card He's our travel correspondent. He is here now, Kilder, Mike.

Speaker 13 (01:29:23):
Good morning, Jacket feels like perf and christ Church today.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
Okay, how so what great white sharks everywhere? Forty degrees
second most isolated city in the world.

Speaker 13 (01:29:35):
No, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's got that sort of vibe.
Jack the Western Forcer in town. They're going to be
smashed even though the weather is more to the liking.
It's twenty five degrees and Sonny in Christ is the
right twenty five already?

Speaker 26 (01:29:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah right, so okay if you got great
and rugby though, is the Northwest or is it probably
will crank up at the moment it's calm, but I
think it will crank up a bit.

Speaker 13 (01:30:00):
Yeah, but I love afternoon rugby.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
It's just the best.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
It is a I just reckon, Yeah, I to kind
of afternoon slash slash evening sports, like there's something to
be said for them. Ay, I mean this one but
been one of the times of Aalukland f C. All
their games have been or their home games have been
at five pm and it's just so nice, like just
you know it anyway, massive difference. Anyway, we're focusing on
things slightly further north from where you are today. Bites

(01:30:24):
and sights, intu and there is no sort of shortage
of places in town for a hot soak. But what
is so good about why ariki?

Speaker 13 (01:30:33):
Oh my goodness check this ebe lead luxury Spa boost
onto the scene about a year and a half ago
and they have cemented themselves as a signature experience in town.
So rather than just taking like a quick dip in
a hot pole. Why areekei comprises five distinct experiences. It's
like a journey. It's like a wellness journey. So you

(01:30:55):
move from the extremities of heat to cool mud, to water,
air to steam, and it's all aimed at ramping up
the therapeutic benefits of all things to your thermal So,
for example, they've got the tonguarero fire and ice capes.
So you start off baking yourself in the sauna and
then you throw a bucket of ice flakes all over

(01:31:18):
your body. It's so theatrical and just really sensory.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
Yeah, and like it's not uncomfortable at all.

Speaker 13 (01:31:27):
Well, it's funny because I'm a bit of a wasp
when it comes to pole of plunging this. I had
this sort of anxiety moment in Finland some years ago
watching the fins, you know, hurling themselves into oceanic pole
of water after baking themselves in the sauna. But Edwireki
they've got like this magnificent sequence of geo thermal poles

(01:31:49):
and they are designed so that you hop scotch from
forty two degrees of hot water to nine degrees in
the plunge pole and I did finally summon the carriage
to play ball Jack. It is shockingly invigorating. I mean,
my body was tingling.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
At first.

Speaker 13 (01:32:06):
I thought my body was burning from the cold sensation, right,
but then it just tingles. You get this warm, tingling
glow all over. It is quite transformative.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Okay, yeah, good. Yes, it's like a couple of moments
of discomfort, but the benefits ultimately are yeah nice. Okay.
So that's why, ikey, if you just head out of
town the Skyline gondola aside from using what else should
you do at the mountaintop?

Speaker 6 (01:32:32):
That's funny.

Speaker 13 (01:32:32):
Actually I had not loosed before until a few weeks
ago when I went up to the Skyline. Yeah, I know,
isn't that crazy? Great place to lose your loosing virginity though,
because they've got seven kilometers of newly designed loose tracks
and they've got these super cool led lit tunnels on
the upper slopes of Mount non Otaha. But the other thing, Jack, is,

(01:32:57):
once you've done your losing and whatnot, take a walk
on that Skyline nature trail because you will not get
bit of us across the city in the lake from
those upper slopes, and I just loved looking out at
mccoya Island bobbing on the horizon in the middle of
the lake. And I didn't realize until recently that that

(01:33:19):
island is intricately linked with the love song Paul Katy Kadiana.
So that is the island that Henney Mowers swims across
the lake to to canodle with her forbidden lover on
mccoya Island. But yeah, fabulous walk up there. Just brilliant use.
And I also love how the local be they believe

(01:33:42):
fairy like people live in the forest on those misty mountaintops.
They still believe that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Yeah, Okay, I didn't know that either. That's really interesting.
So for geothermal spectacles in towns, where is good for
the social media feed?

Speaker 13 (01:33:58):
Yeah, there are so many choices. Jacket's a bit like
having to pick your favorite child. But if you're after
cartoonish colors and geothermal eye candy, I reckon Wild Tapoo
just cannot fail to deliver. Because you've got the Champagne Pool,
which is our largest hot spring, over sixty meters deep,
and it's got that fabulous Aqua Marine center, and then

(01:34:20):
all of the burnt orange Edges artists. Pellette our largest
mud pole, and I love big masses of mud. Maybe
it's the you know, the schoolboard child in me Jack,
but just watching that monstrous mass of gloopy, gurgling mud,
it's like watching a living, breathing, belching organism.

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
I just love it.

Speaker 13 (01:34:43):
And then you've got crazy spectacles like Devil's Bath with
that electric green sulfur color. It kind of looks radioactive.
So yeah, wild tapoo. I think it's off the deluxe chart.
Nature in the extreme nice.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Yeah, I've been there before. It's superb. We went a
little weekend away and yeah, it was just the current
kind of amazingly, it feels like you're in another plane. Yeah.
Rutu has always been proud of its culinary offering. So
are there any fresh peats that took you fancy?

Speaker 13 (01:35:15):
Well? I went to Annie's gin bar and tapas for
the first time. So this is a Maldi owned ethere
and the Harder Town, and it exclusively showcases New Zealand
produce and beverages. Lots of nostalgic nods to the kai
of the owner's childhood. So she has reworked that with
her culinary finesse. But you can sort of not away
on small plates like cream power in panchetta rubbi orlom

(01:35:41):
smoke smoked Cahawaii croquettes with wakami seaweed. And I thought
of you Jack for the dessert sink into a Cadbury
caramelo moose with fresh berries and chantilely cream. That is
just extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Yeah, I think that sounds like a bit of me,
maybe a couple of those. Why is tipa tu so popular?

Speaker 13 (01:36:02):
Well, people will recall the Tammocki Maldi village just out
of Roalter, So this has taken over from those guys
in that woodland par and they've really raised the bar
on delivering a truly lavish cultural performance and feast. It's
a four hour long celebration of culture and kai in

(01:36:24):
the forest. And once again it's the eats that are
just so fabulous. The cannapace things like hawk and apple
wrapped in cover color leaves. We had pickled pickle, pickle,
native fern fronds, pickled absolutely sensational. And of course the
three course dinner is headlines with Honey as the hero.

(01:36:45):
But once again the ice cream another smash hip there,
Jack Kumera ice cream.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Superb yeah, cheeky okay, that sounds superb, very good. Well,
good luck against the Force this afternoon. Enjoy that game
and we will make sure that all of your tips
for bites and sights and are up and available on
the news Talks. He'd be website Mike Gardley, our travel
correspondent there before midday. She Hard's final tour. Their last show,
of course, is being performed at home ground in Wellington tonight. Plus,

(01:37:13):
we've got your book picks for this weekend, including a
fantastic book about Formula one which will give you the
details on very shorty. It is just coming up to
eleven thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News talksby.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
News Talks, it'd be just got to eleven thirty on
your Saturday morning two thirty pm new said on time.
That's when Liam Lawson's back on the track and then
things get competitive. He's got one more practice, then thinks
it competitive about six o'clock this evening, so they start
going through the old qualifying process. Jason Pine is going
to take us through the afternoon with weekends, no doubt,
counting down to that first F one contest of twenty

(01:38:10):
twenty five party very much.

Speaker 27 (01:38:11):
Indeed looking forward to that, Jackie, And it's the big
one and what is a busy sporting weekend it is, Man,
I really feel as though, Look I petitioned management to
start at nine, but they were quite keen for you
to continue.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
In your regular linit for a momentary. I don't believe
that for a moment.

Speaker 27 (01:38:28):
But yeah, I mean obviously all roads lead to albert Park,
the albert Park circuit in Melbourne this weekend. You're a
big focus across today and tomorrow on Liam Lawson. Look,
I don't know what to read into practice, you know yesterday,
So we'll get some expert voices on that across today
and then get to Melbourne tomorrow. Got Greg Murphy on
the show, Bob McMurray, who knows a lot about about

(01:38:48):
Formula one. Hayden Padden tomorrow interested to know whether you
know there are certain things about drivers because Hayden patterns
obviously a rally driver that go across all, you know,
all kinds of motorsport.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
So have a chat to him.

Speaker 27 (01:39:00):
And I want to take a bunch of calls about
how significant this is, because man, it is so significant,
isn't it Jack, you know, one of twenty seats in
Formula one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
This's just ridiculous. I just think he's, like, I just
think to have made it to this point represents such
an incredible achievement by itself, right, Like, he doesn't have
the gazillions of dollars that some of these other drivers have,
you know, backing them from day one, and he's made
it there on talent indisputably, and yet has to now

(01:39:32):
try and put all of the pressure to one side,
just try and you know, disconnect as much as as
possible from you know, the many tens of millions of
eyes that are going to be watching him around the world.
You know that the pressure that comes with racing a
car at two hundred and sixty or seventy kilometers an
hour and knowing that one mistake can be potentially very
very serious. I just, you know, I think it's extraordinary

(01:39:52):
that he's.

Speaker 27 (01:39:53):
And he seems so yeah, he seems so unaffected by it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
It's maybe it right, like, that's that's kind of weirdly enough.
The fact that he seems kind of relatively relaxed about
the whole thing is probably the secret to ways made it.
You know, if he was really caught up in himself
and caught up with what it achieved at this point,
then I suppose he wouldn't be there. But yeah, I'm
really looking forward to seeing I've never been a massive

(01:40:17):
motorsport fan personally, but you know, I have found myself
following his journey and you know, getting into eath one
bit more over the last couple of years and just
really you know, admiring as a sports person and you know,
and as an ambitious New Zealander. What he's managed to
pull off to this point I think is amazing.

Speaker 27 (01:40:32):
So trends seems out sporting it exactly the same as
Huge Jack. I'm not a huge motorsport fan, but I'm
caught up in this. Yeah, you know a key we
were a full time Formula one drive. Can't wait to
see what happens tomorrow and across the year as well.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
Yeah, so the Warriors, I said at the side of
the show, like vintage Wires. You know, he can make
all the jokes you want. What happens in Vegas stays
in Vegas. But to turn around that performance with the
performance we saw last night there you go so good.

Speaker 27 (01:40:58):
Yeah, and necessary too, because had they suffered another loss then,
you know, I think, you know, it's only two games in,
but people would start, you know, to murmur, and those
murmurings would have got louder and look manly. Started well,
they could have been you know, ten or twelve mier
up early. But you got to give it to the Warriors.
They soaked it up. They took advantage of a couple
of mistakes and they won the game with six converted tries.

(01:41:19):
That tells the story of a pretty good attacking performance.
So yeah, we'll We'll get Slagh Griffin, assistant coach on
after mid data chat about that. The rugby, of course,
last night was going on at the same time. I
was unbelievably stressed Jack watching my Hurricanes make tackle after
tackle against.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
The Highlanders last night. I just needed to believe it's time.

Speaker 27 (01:41:36):
Yeah, exactly, So I got that as well and after
two today, Sir Russell Coots is on the show CEO
of sal GP how close are we to getting a
long term deal with Auckland. He talked when we were
broadcasting live from there back in January about wanting to
put a five year deal together with Auckland. I think
there's been a bit of progress on that, so yeah,
Sir Russell Cootz after two jam pack showers, I say,

(01:41:56):
both today and tomorrow's Jack with lots of opportunities for
our listeners to call and have a yarn as well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Looking forward to it. Great, Hey, a big weekend and
a big couple of weeks, pony, and I'm just thinking
this time next week, fingers, Yes, we will be counting
down to the All Whites will be one game away
from qualifying for the World Cup. Right too early, but yeah, yeah,
big week ahead I know for you, So yeah, enjoy
this afternoon, looking forward to the show. Jason Pine behind

(01:42:22):
the mic for a weekend sport right after the midday news.
Before then, we're going to catch up with Chris Shultz,
who is that she had a show last night at
Spark Arena ahead of their final show at Home Grown
this evening. And as well as that your book picks
for this week.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Twenty four to twelve, Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full
Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
Twenty two to twelve on News Talks 'DB Book Time.
Katherin Rains is our book reviewer and she's here with
us this morning. So Catherine if we are twiddling our
thumbs sitting on the couch in the air breaks between
F one qualifying later on today and looking for a
good read on the grid, the Inside Track on Formula
one by Luke Smith might be a good option.

Speaker 28 (01:43:07):
It certainly is a good option, and yeah, to get
a little bit more of a fix of F one
and certainly for fans of drive to survive. This is
one of those books, you know, because only ten teams
twenty drivers make maky for one, although from twenty twenty six,
of course it's eleven teams, and this on the Grid
book focuses on the people and their stories behind the racing,

(01:43:28):
you know, that physical toll that traveling during the season
has on the people who work there and the fascinating
characters behind it, particularly the owners. And he writes in
a really well written style where he bends the facts
with the interviews and the conversation, so it feels like
you're reading more of a story than a book full
of facts about F one. And so those individuals outside
the principles and drivers who pay a huge part of

(01:43:50):
a team, and their part seems to be quite small,
but like really precise because the team needs to all
work in unison and then those behind the things of
the track that you don't really see anywhere else, from
sustainability to how they create new tracks, and you know
why they have sell champage celebrations on the podium and
they talk about the mechanical engineers from Mercedes and the

(01:44:10):
things that they've done outside F one, using the F
one mentality of this is good and how do we
make things better? And I think long term, if one
fans will find something that they like in this book,
and those of us that are recent convents because of
drive to survive in the seven series will find it
really fascinating and a really good look behind the scenes.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Nice, okay, cool. So it's on the grid The inside
track of Formula One by Luke Smith. Life Hacks for
a Little Alien by Alice Franklin is your second book
for this weekend, which is a novel it is, and
so Little Alien.

Speaker 28 (01:44:42):
It is four when this book begins, and she lives
with her parents in England and her dad's a risk
manager and he does his best to support and actually
understand here even though he doesn't quite get her way
of thinking and expressing herself. Her mother, though, has mental
health challenges, and she's either utterly protective of her or
entirely removed from her life. And al alien knows in

(01:45:03):
this that there's something different from the cues that a
pair giving away, and she feels quite alone and misunderstood
by school and family, and the education system in particular
has really failed her, and she's labeled as disruptive or
inattentive instead of recognizing her need for structure, and so
this creates a environment where she's out of place, and
this feeling continues actually until she watches this late night

(01:45:26):
TV show and has about this Foignage manuscript and this
mysterious and unknown document that has fascinated scholars have attempted
to translate it, and one scholar even went mad and
convinced that the manuscript was written by an alien. And
then suddenly, to her everything makes sense, and she's sure
that she's from out of space and separated from her family,
and she's fixated on learning about this manuscript and hopefully

(01:45:48):
herself and the process. And so it's written in the
second person, so you feel like you're in the shoes
of a neurodiverted person, and this experience of observing the
world from a very different place through her eyes, and
this almost immersive, immersive experience of someone else's life and
the differences and that desire to can with other people.
It's very well written and very cleverly done, and yeah,

(01:46:10):
really interesting story. One of those things that makes you
think quite a long time afterwards about.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
The story and it's all coming together. Good, Okay, great,
Thanks Catherine. That's Life Hacks for a Little Alien. It's
by Alis Franklin. And on the Grid, The Inside Track
on Formula One by Luke Smith was Catherine's first book pick.
We'll make sure both of those and all the details
for those books are up on the News Talks He'd
be website. Eighteen to twelve. Chris Schultz has been at
Cheehad at their second to last ever show a head

(01:46:37):
of their final shot at homegrowing tonight. So he's going
to come and give us the details on that in
a couple of minutes. Right now, it's eighteen to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need in
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Speaker 18 (01:47:16):
I reckon.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
This has to be one of the best rock songs
ever written by a New Zealand band. It's run By
She Had?

Speaker 15 (01:47:24):
She had?

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Of course a breaking up? Or are they Maybe I'm
just telling myself hopefully that in a couple of years
the guys would get back together. But no, at least
the official line at the moment is that tonight their
performance at Homegrown in Wellington where things began for them
three and a half decades ago, the Capital, that'll be

(01:47:45):
their last performance. Chris Shultz though, was it Spark Arena
last night for the stadium spectacular? She had second to
last ever show? And he's with us this morning killed her?

Speaker 18 (01:47:56):
How was it?

Speaker 11 (01:47:57):
It was everything you'd expect from a stadium show By
She Had. It was two songs from every album. It
was phones in the air, it was mosh pits bouncing,
it was comfort Me and Run. They played Run, Pacifier,
Wait and See Home Again, all of the anthems, everyone
on their feet.

Speaker 7 (01:48:15):
Pyro.

Speaker 11 (01:48:15):
I've never seen Pyro at if she had show.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
Yeah, yeah, lots of Pyro.

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
So it was that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
It wasn't it was the big stadium stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:48:22):
It wasn't the emotional Yeah, there wasn't really room for
the emotion to kick and I think it was more afterwards.
It's more today, I think for me, especially that I'm
just sort of sitting here thinking, oh, we can't do
this again.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
Yeah, so you or she had fan absolutely okay from
from from away back and maybe just for listeners, you
can explain to us that they've sort of gone through
a transition over the decades, right, Their sound has changed
a bit. There was that the time when they went
to the US that happened to come inside with the
fallout from nine to eleven, which was a time when
having a name like She hadn't it wasn't necessarily very

(01:48:56):
very easy. But yeah, they've gone through a bit of
a journey totally.

Speaker 11 (01:49:00):
They started out as like these young metal kids with
mullets at Wellington High School. You know, their favorite acts
were like, oh the Osborn and you know Black Sabbath,
that kind of thing. That's how they kicked things off
they did. I mean, they released the biggest album of
their careers in the mid nineties with the General Electric
That's the one everyone remembers. For those big d out
shows when they owned that six pm slot, they were

(01:49:22):
none for just coming on and absolutely killing it at
the big day out and then Yes, they went on
this bit of a journey. They had this like weird
thing with the Passifire album, which they've since like reclaimed,
is that she had album Yeah, and they lightened up
a bit too, like in the twenty tens, was there
was a poppier element to it. And then they came
back with Five Eyes and Old Gods, their last two albums,

(01:49:45):
which are my favorite. She had albums really so heavy,
they're so brutal. They recorded Five Eyes with Jazz Coleman
and just fought the whole time, and you can hear
it on that record. They were my favorite moments last night.
He's just huge, rumbling basslines and just just being pummeled
by them, you know, like it felt like that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
So, if they've had what ten albums, I think I
about that and the last two are your favorite, what
do you think about the decision for them to break up?

Speaker 11 (01:50:12):
Ridiculous, Absolutely ridiculous. No, I think they haven't properly thought
this through. If you look at what's happening in the
current landscape right metallicra selling at Eden Park, Oasis are
going on a world too. Of these bands that remind
us of simpler times when the world wasn't this complicated?
Are just going off? They're re releasing their vinyl records

(01:50:33):
that you know, these Splatter editions twentieth anniversary and their
ninety five dollars. They are making money and you can't
get she Heads albums. I cannot get the general Electric
on Vonuy.

Speaker 6 (01:50:44):
You can't do this.

Speaker 11 (01:50:44):
They haven't done that, so I think they've I don't know.
I mean I sat down with them yesterday right before
the show, and I asked them, are you sure? And
they would not answer that question. They would look at me.
It got really awkward. I might as well have chucked
a dead cat on the table. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
don't think they've fully thought this through. So look, I
don't think this is the end. I can totally see

(01:51:04):
them having a really big brain YEP. Maybe a couple
of years, Yeah, for sure. But then you know, I
spoke to you about Electric Avenue a couple of weeks ago.
The biggest act I saw there were the Dudes. Yeah,
that fifty year old band. That festival was made for
A band like She had to come back in a
couple of years and just rock like the Big Day
out all over.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
It, Yeah and absolutely crush it. And do you know,
I've got this kind of theory that I've asked a
couple of musics about it before, and I don't know,
I've never quite nailed the question. But I feel like
rock music, like rock performed by a three or four
piece band, has just kind of been through this really
uncharacteristic dip in the last ten years. Like it just
hasn't like bands haven't kind of held the place in

(01:51:46):
global music that they used to, Like there's been a
real resurgence of pop and hip hop and all of
these other things. But I reckon the tide is just
starting to shift, you know, everything is kind of cyclical,
And I reckon like you say that, like we're kind
of heading back into an era where people actually want
to hear from a group with you know, one or
two guitarist, the bassis and the drummer, a person screaming
at the front of the stage.

Speaker 11 (01:52:05):
And a legacy.

Speaker 13 (01:52:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:52:06):
Last year's best show, by far best two shows was
pel Jam out at Mount Smart Stadium. Those shows were
so emotional, was just after the election. Eddie Vedder was
just such a generous and kind front man and he
just got us through that moment. Those shows were incredible
and yeah we don't. The thing I keep thinking about

(01:52:26):
is who steps up until she had place where we
don't have a band pitch and do that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
No, no, that's time. It totally is Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
like you say, it kind of spans generations. Like I
was saying at the start of this hour, you know,
if you ask my eight year old, who's your favorite band,
he says she had Wow, there you go. Yeah, it's crazy.
So the final show, little Asterix there is tonight Homegrown.

(01:52:51):
What do you think people who are lucky enough to
see them perform tonight should expect.

Speaker 11 (01:52:56):
I think it might be a little bit more like
the Power Station show I saw on Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
This is a surprise show.

Speaker 11 (01:53:02):
That was a quick fire show. They did not want
to leave the stage. They played for two one and
a half hours, twenty seven songs encore after encore you
could see they just didn't want it to be over.
I think, you know, homegrowns their home city. Yeah, they'll
have so many friends and family there, right, who're right
at the start. Yeah, it's going to be special. It's
going to be really special. I wish I was there,

(01:53:22):
and I saw them twice this week.

Speaker 6 (01:53:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:24):
Yeah, man, I hope you. I hope that you've picked
up on something and that maybe you know, they'll revisit
that decision in months or years to come. But it
sounds like last night was a pretty epic performance. Wednesday
was really intimate and amazing, and I'm sure tonight will
be amazing too. Thank you so much, Chris, really appreciate it.
Chris Shultz, who's been lucky enough to be at two
of the three of she Had's final performances. This week,

(01:53:47):
we'll dig out well one of everyone's favorites to play
out the show in a couple of minutes from She
Had a head of that homegrown performance right now, it
is eight minutes to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
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Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
Coming out to the end of the show on news Talks,
he'd be before we go, you should really go and
read Chris's recap of she Had somewhat surprise last minute
performance at the Boiler Room in Auckland this week. He's
put it up on his substack. So we're going to
make sure we've got a link to that on our website,
News Talks, hedb dot co dot Nz Forward slash Jack.
That is the place to go for everything from our show.

(01:54:28):
We've got a link to Chris's fantastic recap of she
Had's performance there. It's on his substack.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
Thank you very much for all your feedback this morning
we live your texts and emails. Thanks my wonderful producer
Libby for doing the tough stuff. Now this afternoon, Jason
Pine is behind the mic with Weekend Sport. A very
busy weekend of sport. You got Super Rugby, you got
NRL of course, plus Liam Lawson's twenty twenty five debut
as a Red Bull driver in the first round of

(01:54:58):
Formula One in Melbourne. He's next on the track sometime
after two o'clock and then I think things get competitive
with qualifying at about six p m this evening. For now, though,
we're going to leave you with she Had ahead of
their final performance at Home Ground. This is Pacifier. I'm
back with you next week. Until then, have a graat.

Speaker 5 (01:55:17):
One sad.

Speaker 15 (01:56:02):
Did so Chess.

Speaker 18 (01:56:15):
Act to stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:56:50):
You quo

Speaker 1 (01:57:28):
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