Full Show Podcast: 19 April 2025

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Good morning, Welcome to news Talks EDB Jack Tamee with
you through to midday today. I don't know about you,
but nothing to me, absolutely nothing says a nice relaxing
long weekend Easter Holiday twenty twenty five. Like fifty mils
of rain in five hours, two hundred and twenty emergency
call out, seven hundred fifty lightning strikes. My goodness, call

(01:10):
me Naiva. I really thought that extropical cyclone TAM had
kind of moved off or it had died down, that
we've seen the worst of it over the last couple
of days, but apparently not. The good news in the
nine if you're waking up in Auckland this morning, is
that for now, at least this round of wild weather
seems to have eased at least for a bit. It's
not necessarily over, but the skyes are clear this morning.

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We're going to make sure that we keep you up
to date with the very latest not only from weather
forecasters this morning, but also from emergency services in cases
anything else you need to do, civil defense, et cetera,
to prepare for more wild weather over the next wee
while busy show for you this morning, as we do
try and relax for the Easter weekend. After ten o'clock,
cannot wait for this Northern Irish acting legend Hollywood Royalty

(01:56):
Kieren Hines is going to be with us. He has
starred and basically every Blockbluster franchise all over the show
over the last few years. He's in New Zealand filming
at the moment. We managed to track him down for
an interview, So going to be with us after ten
o'clock and before ten. If you're looking for something a
little bit different for Easter Sunday morning for breakfast, maybe
you've done a week on the trot of hot Cross buns.
You just need a bit of variety in your diet.

(02:18):
Fantastic news. We've got an Easter pancake recipe that's still
nice and treaty for tomorrow morning, so we'll share that
before ten. Right now, it's nine minutes past nine. Jack Tatum,
Tam and the pictures made it look like a parody.
Eleven minutes after taking off from a West Texas launch site,
Jeff Bezos's Blue Origin space capsule touchdown with its all

(02:42):
female celebrity crew. Bezos opened the capsule door and greeted
his fiance, and one by one the women filed out,
each in their snazzy blue flared space outfits. Having technically
been in space for just four minutes. The pop star
Katie Perry knelt down and kissed the ground. I feel

(03:04):
the same about space tour as I do about climbing
Mount Everest. In the broadest possible terms, the idea is
really appealing. Yeah, I would love to go to space,
But as it stands today, actually appreciating how much resource
is involved, and the extent to which money, rather than talent,

(03:24):
is the only thing separating anyone from the loftiest heights,
I just cannot bear the thought. We all know that
Jeff Bezos isn't spending billions upon billions of dollars to
push the boundaries of scientific understanding. He's going as a
vanity project, and I don't know. To me at least,
it all just feels a bit gross. Perhaps when space

(03:48):
tourism is a little more normalized, and they can achieve
economies of scale. I will quietly eat my words and
find the whole thing a little more palatable. But for
what it's worth, I would hand my Explorer of the
Week award not to Katie Perry and not to Jeff
Bezos's other heart, but to the crew of the Schmidt
Ocean Institute's folk Or vessel, who just captured the first

(04:12):
ever footage of a colossal squid in its natural environment.
I just find this stuff fascinating. So colossal squid are
the largest invertebrates on the planet, five hundred kilograms without
a spinal column, and yet for all that science has achieved,
we know remarkably little about this species. It's only a

(04:33):
century actually since the species was first discovered, and we
know most of what we know about them today because
of their predators, Sperm whales, it turns out, are much
better at tracking down colossal squid than humans are, but
six hundred meters below the surface of the South Atlantic
somewhere off the coast of the Antarctic South Sandwich Islands,
in an area is so remote that the next closest

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human beings were on the International Space Station. The group
of scientists used an unmanned submersible to film the most
extraordinary footage, a juvenile colossal squid, and honestly, forget anything
that Katy Perry or Jeff Bezos's wife to be might
have been seeing out the window of their shuttle. Set

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against the absolute black of the deep deep, the squid
was sort of purplish and orange, otherworldly, elegant, brilliantly, beautifully alien.
Isn't it amazing that our species can send a rocket
with a pop start of space, and yet it has

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taken us until twenty twenty five to actually record an
earth based tentacled beast that can grow as long as
a bus and weighs as much as a cow. Think
about that. There is a creature on the face of
this Earth that grows as long as a bus and
weighs as much as a cor and is extraordinary looking

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with tentacles in every direction, and it's taken until twenty
twenty five to record this thing in its natural environment.
I think that's remarkable. I think that's incredible, and I
just think it is such a timely reminder for whatever
fascinations and discoveries await us in the infinite depths of
the cosmos. There are still so many miracles and mysteries

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much closer to home, in the infinite depths of the
real Blue Origin. Jack Tab ninety two. Ninety two is
the text number if you want to flick us the
message this morning. Don't forget the standard text cost supply jacket.
Newstaloks dB dot co dot nz is the email address. Honestly,
it was a bit of a twilight Zone moment for
me last night watching the last couple of minutes of

(06:48):
that incredible Cruise Blues Crusaders match. Seeing seeing James O'Connor
step up and slot the winning penalty in the eighty
first minute of that game to seize the victory for
the Crusaders. I mean, you just like imagine explaining that
to me of twelve years ago, and it just seems

(07:09):
totally bizarre. But anyway, we're going to look at that
incredible game. I've got to say Super rugby has been
so exciting this season, So we'll catch up with our
sporto about that very shortly. Kevin Milner is with us next.
Right now, it's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame.
It's Saturday, morning, and this is newstalk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
No bit of way to kick off your weekend.

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Speaker 4 (07:32):
EDB sixteen minutes past nine on news doorgs eDV with
Jack Tame. Jack so agreed with what you just said
about the real wonders of this world. Jack fully agree,
regarding Katie Berry in particular, my god, what a ridiculous
stunt and Dean's flip me an email to say Jack,
Happy Easter, you me and the back door all though
that an automated rocket getting up to the boundary of
space with a collection of gas bagging celebrity passengers is

(07:54):
no more earth breaking these days than crossing the road.
Well said Dean, you said what I said in about
five minutes. You said it in about fifteen seconds, so
thank you for that. If you want to send me
a message this morning, ninety two ninety two is the
text number Jacket used to said B dot co dot end.
It is the email address Kevin Milne as well as
for the Easter weekend This morning, Killer Kevin.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
Jack, I totally agree with you what you've said this
morning very well put. Actually, I think the odd thing
about the colossal squid is its name. I think in
a way, I don't think the colossal squid is colossal.
It's large, but it's not colossal. Colossal squid exhibition it

(08:39):
to Papa.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, and I think they still have it there, don't they. Yeah, Yeah,
I think it's still Yeah. I think that's it's fantastic
that that exhibition. But yeah, I mean it's still so
what I mean, so they can go to about seventeen
meters I think, but I suppose that they're yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
Yeah, that that's a good size. I must say maybe
the one that was that to Papa was a bit
on the smallest side. But remember feeling a great sense
of disappointment. Actually and I saw it. It was not colossal,
but yeah, but it was terrific. And that I don't
say that in any way to disagree with the points
you've made.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
I think I think the thing about the squid is
it sort of needs to be in the ocean for
you to appreciate its full size, like even you know,
when you see the Tapapa one, which I think is
I just love that exhibition. How they've kind of preserved it.
But if you if it's just if it's it's like
it's been deflated. And you know when a squid is
actually swimming, how the water kind of fills its whole
anatomy in space, and so you kind of you know,

(09:36):
it's almost like an inflated balloon. And I the sense
that I get with the with the with the one
at Tapapa. And usually when you see colossal squid, you know,
when they occasionally wash up on beaches or they find them,
you know in Wales, Bellis and that kind of thing,
usually they're deflated, so you don't get a full sense
of the kind of scale. But they need to be
in their natural environment to get that scale, I think.

(09:56):
And interestingly, actually the one they filmed and I conveniently
didn't mention this, but it was only thirty centimeters so
it was a juvenile. So it was you know, as
you're sort of saying, this colossal squid, and then you
scroll down two paragraphs on the on the scientific reportings
is this colossal squid at thirty centimeters And I think, well,
you know it's yeah, the name he is not ideal,

(10:16):
but my gosh, have you seen the pictures?

Speaker 5 (10:20):
No, I haven't.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Oh they're beautiful. No, it's so alien, that's the thing,
especially especially in its natural environment where it's so deep.
There's no kind of natural light or anything. At six
hundred meters, it's just perfect black. And you know, they
have just kind of lights at that depth. So yeah,
it's absolutely amazing. If you get a chance, we'll make sure.
Actually we put a photo up on the news talks.
He'd be website. But Kevin, you have you've got into
the spirit of Easter. In fact, you got into it

(10:42):
early this year, as way back as Thursday.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
Yeah, earlier in the week I was wondering what eastery
topic to talk about today, and on Thursday it just
fell into place.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
Literally.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Last Thursday, of course, was Maundy Thursday, or as the
Christian Church calls it, Holy Thursday, the day commemorates the
Last Supper, when Jesus Christ shared bread and wine with
his apozzles prior to his crucifixion. On that occasion, Christ
washed the feet of his apostles and a demonstration of humility,

(11:16):
you're never too flash to do the dirty work basically,
so the theme of Maundy Thursday remains humility, and it
was in that spirit that on Thursday, I took a
tumble outside the busy entrance way to my local New
York supermarket. It was a not a down on your
knees and up again quick kind of tumble. Now I

(11:38):
took a full length dive on the concrete. My newest
trainers had gripped onto the concrete. I was dashing god
to the supermarket. I went down as if something invisible
had tackled me, which must have looked pretty silly. A
man came to the rescue, which lacked some assistance to
get up. In the past, my pride would have answered
for me, no, I'm fine, thanks, but I since there

(12:01):
was nothing nearby to haul myself up on, so I
said yes please. I might still actually have been there
trying to get up if the man hadn't given me
the hand. Nothing was hurt, but my pride jack. As
you'd know, if you're a reasonably well known character and
you make it chump of yourself, you wrongly feel the
whole world's watching and whispering. I always thought that bloke

(12:24):
was a bit of a goof. Anyway, that was my
Maundy Thursday moment of humility, admittedly not by choice. On reflection,
I think I'd rather wash somebody's feet, or better still,
hand out specially minted coins, as the King did on
Maundy Thursday.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah, it's almost impossible. There's no good reaction after you've
fallen over it, especially if you're not There's no way
that you can kind of recover your sense of dignity fully,
is it? For everyone who's watched. It doesn't matter if
you're a recognizable figure or otherwise. It just there's no
sort of the human note, you know that the human
spirit hasn't found a way to recover from that. And

(13:06):
I don't know if you saw it, Kevin, but with
that space rocket that they sent up with the pop
stars and things the other day, when it came back
down to earth, Jeff Bezos, given it was his company,
he was the first to go and greet the passengers
after their eleven minute journey. So the rocket came back
down to earth and he ran over in the middle

(13:28):
of the desert to go and open the capsule door.
And as he arrived there, knowing that his fiance was
the first person who was going to be stepping out
and presumably thanking and congratulating him for this amazing bit
of technology and this incredible experience as he ran over
to the capsule. As he pulled up to it, he
did a massive face plant, just fell over right east
to the capture. And of course you got the whole

(13:49):
world's media watching, you know.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
And maybe that's what gave Katie Perry the idea, yes,
fell to the ground because she.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Was trying to empathize with him.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
Perhaps, Yes, that's right.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, you enjoy your enjoy your Easter weekend and and
we will catch you, sir. And I'm glad that you've
managed to recover from your tumble. What is it Maundy Thursday? Yeah,
I like that, Yeah, yeah, very good, Kevin, catch you
so ninety two ninety two of you on if like
it's a message this morning, you'll get to more of
your texts in a couple of minutes, we'll get our
Sportos thoughts on that incredible last couple of minutes of
the Cruise Blues Crusaders match in christ Church last night.

(14:24):
Right now, it's twenty three past.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Nine, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
Team on News talks'b and.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Has sent me a note this morning, said Jack, I
would much rather view a giant squid style by nature
than a lineup of it girls sporting faux NASA jumpsuits,
full makeup and negative gravity heredos. I'm with you on
that one, and Jack, just think of the Calamari rings
on a seventeen meter long giant squid. Yeah. I don't
know about eating a giant squid. The thing is that

(14:57):
they're obviously very rare. I mean, this is one thing
I don't quite understand about your colossal squid, like why
it's taken. I just think amazing that it's taken us
this long to actually record one in their natural environment.
And I think usually they can find colossal squid have
kind of like washed up on beaches or you know,
are in kind of the balis of sperm whales and
that kind of thing. But clearly we don't encounter them much,

(15:20):
certainly in the wild, which just seems amazing for something
of that size, don't you think. But yes, the Calamari
rings would be sizable. Indeed, you probably just need ring.
You wouldn't need the plural, would you If you're having
those for dinner before ten o'clock on news talks, he'd
be we're gonna have your film picks for the week,
including this brand new Steve Coogan film called The Penguin
Lessons that our Film review has been serving in it.

(15:42):
So I'll tell you about that in a couple of minutes.
Right now, though, time to catch up with our sporto
Andrew Savill is with us this morning, and see how
I'm going to start off with a text from Muzz,
who's just messaged me to say, Jack, typical Crusaders. It
took an Aussie to win it for you. And I've
got to say, if you, if you had just taken
me back in time and then just given me a
few scant details of the match last night and said

(16:03):
that I would be cheering on James O'Connor to slot
a win penalty in christ Church, I would be confused,
to say the least. But God, it was a good
game of rugby.

Speaker 6 (16:13):
Yeah it was morning Jack.

Speaker 7 (16:15):
I was trying to come up with some woody line
about a five hundred kilo thing with no spine about
someone's forward pack, but I thought i'd keep my mouth shut.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
What a game. Yeah, terrible conditions.

Speaker 7 (16:31):
The weather really closed in christ Search last night, so
as you'd expect, very forward dominated both teams did try
to move the around, move the ball around a little bit,
but very forward dominated the Blues. I thought played really well.
They made the Crusaders I think, make almost double the
number of tackles they had to make. So I thought

(16:53):
in the end they'd worn the Crusaders down, that it
was a real seesaw game. In the second half, I thought,
you know, the Crusaders had done enough to win, and then.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
Back to the Blues, back and forth, back and forth.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
So just one of those dramatic games, typical Blues Crusaders
as we've seen over the years.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
Although the last time they met an even part of
the Crusaders.

Speaker 7 (17:14):
Blew the Blues off the ground. So but back to yesteryear,
typical Blues Crusaders. So I thought, all in all of
one of the best super games, despite the conditions of
the season we were not to get. The Crusaders just
got out of jail last week against the Hurricanes, and
I think even the most ardent Crusaders fan would have
to say last night they got.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Out of jail a little bit like massively.

Speaker 7 (17:37):
There were a few intriguing calls from the Aussie referee
which went the way or went against the Blues. I
don't think in the end it cost them the game,
but it certainly stemmed their flow at certain points in
the match. And what about the effort from the Crusaders

(17:58):
pack at the end of the game. Fletcher Nule played
the whole game and you very rarely, if ever see
props at that level play eighty minutes these days, but
Fletcheriel did and it was pretty much his side that
earned the penalty which James O'Connor kicked.

Speaker 6 (18:17):
And if you ever needed a.

Speaker 7 (18:19):
Clutch player or a player with a vast amount of
experience to nudge one over in tough conditions, but in
front it was the little assie battler, James O'Connor. Yeah,
just just on the just on the forwards that the Crusaders,
I think that their scrum was was one of their
key weapons during the night.

Speaker 6 (18:40):
And I think you're in Nelson, aren't you. Dan Perrin
is the male mate.

Speaker 7 (18:44):
Dan paren Is the Crusaders forwards coach based in Nelson
these days, Tasman, I.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
Think you might still own one of the butcheries in town.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Is that how you met him?

Speaker 7 (18:57):
Tell him, tell him I sent you no. But yeah,
all in all, good game, good game hopefully Mowana Pacifica
playing Brumby's and put A Coe today. I'm assuming Poka
Koe hasn't floated away. Yeah, so so looking forward.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
To that one.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
The weather overnight was a little further north around the country,
so hopefully things that I can I mean, it just
feels like I know, I've said this a really it
just feels like the season of Super Rugby feels like
any team could win any game. Morally, yes, you know,
and I think that it's it's a pretty long time
since I've been able to say yes. Of course, there
are a few caveats there, but you know, just for

(19:33):
the most part, I think And one thing I loved
last night too was you could just tell how up
for the players were. I don't think i've heard more
cha who's during a game, yeah exactly, all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
Yeah, yeah, atmosphere.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
But I think over all, Jacky, the competition has been
very good in that we've seen so many type finishers.
But but talking to coaches again during the week, they say,
you know, one one week they can put forty points
on a team, the next week they can get what
point on the I put on them. So yeah, yeah,
it's it's an intriguing competition.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yeah, hey, would you make that Rory McElroy victory.

Speaker 6 (20:14):
And it wasn't that sensational?

Speaker 4 (20:15):
It was yeah, I mean it was you. Yeah. No,
I watched it. I watched to play out that final,
the final playoff. I mean just yeah, I just I'm
always The thing about golf is it's one of those
that I don't know if there's another sport that compares
in terms of in terms of the threat of the yips,
Like you always feel like at any moment, even the
greatest players, you look at all of those you know,

(20:37):
thousands of people standing there at Augusta watching but knowing
that millions are watching on TV. Just the the incredible
pressure on an individual for something that is so deft
and technical.

Speaker 7 (20:47):
You know, when you know how you shout it out
when you need to strike a golf ball, and if
you're a millimeter or two.

Speaker 6 (20:54):
Off, it can go anywhere.

Speaker 7 (20:57):
And you're trying to hit it one hundred and fifty
yards on a five cent piece, yeah.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
And landing on the green.

Speaker 7 (21:04):
You're playing against others in the field, you're playing against
the course, and you're playing against yourself. So these guys
make it look easy. That's the thing is, it is very,
very difficult to win any sort of tournament, let alone
the Masters.

Speaker 6 (21:17):
And I think.

Speaker 7 (21:18):
McElroy's always struck me Jack as being a good guy,
comes across as a good guy, and he's well liked.

Speaker 6 (21:23):
In New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
I think he was here recently playing those court, those
brilliant courses up in there. Mungafi, good mate of Ryan Fox's,
just strikes me as being a good bloke.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
And he's he's been through so many ups and.

Speaker 7 (21:35):
Downs the last decade since he won his last major,
and to win that first Masters like that. I was
reading his status quickly the other day on holes fifteen, sixteen, seventeen.
His approach shots on those holes, if you worked it
out percentage wise, what he did, any tour pro, not
some weekend hacker, but any tour pro I think had

(21:57):
something like a zero point zero zero zero one percentage
charts of doing what McElroy did on the past three holes,
and that was hitting towards seventeen and eighteen trying to
win the Masters.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah, it's just incredible. It was remarkable to watch, and
just such good drama, such great sporting drama. Thank you
so much sav enjoying your Easter weekend, and I'll try
and track down your mate while I'm in Nelson for
the weekend. Yeah, I'm down here catching up with Farno
this weekend, which is nice. In fact, we had a
bit of a special one use today. Had the had
introduced my son, Marny two month old son to my

(22:33):
ninety two year old granddad. So had dad, granddad and
my son. So we've got all four tame men, four
different generations, sitting there having a cup of tea together.
So a special couple of photos yesterday morning for the
weekend while I'm in Nelson. Thank you so much for
your text and emails this hour. We have had gazillions,
rob said Jack regarding Maundy Thursday and having a bit

(22:56):
of a fall. This happened to me in my sixties.
I was briskly walking passing a woman. I scuffed the
uneven footpath and whoops, went down, face first, embarrassed, to
say the least. And someone's pointed out that when you
pass a certain age, there's a kind of pivotal moment
in your life when all of a sudden the language turns.
So when you're below a certain age, and you fall, well,

(23:18):
that's called tripping over. But then when you're above a
certain age, it's called having a fall. And it's shocking
to realize how you're seen by the world ninety two
ninety two. If you want to send us a message
your film picks for the weekend next right now, it's
twenty five to ten, twenty two to ten. You've jactaime

(23:52):
on news stories, you'd be Jack. How about that amazing
Crusader's crowd last night? As an aucklander, I watched that
rain soaked atmosphere in envy. Yeah, it did look like
an incredible atmosphere that Crusader's blues match last night. Thank
you for your feedback. We'll get to where your messages
very shortly. Right now, though, time to catch up with
our film reviewer, Francesca Rudkin for her film picks this

(24:13):
Easter weekend. Hey Francesca, Hi Jack. Let's start off with
a little listen to the latest film starring Steve Coogan.
This is the Penguin Lessons. Where is he from? Is
you yours?

Speaker 1 (24:25):
I rescued him from an oil selector and now he
thinks he's my friend?

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Okay, how'd you go not my penguin. I don't like penguins.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
And why did you Stevie's life?

Speaker 8 (24:35):
Because I was trying to be impressed a woman. We
have to go now now I ended up in a penguin.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Okay, that's Steve Coogan having adopted a penguin he has.

Speaker 9 (24:48):
The film is called The Penguin Lessons. It's an adaptation
of Tom Mitchell's memoir and Stephen Steve Coogan. He's kind
of in Philameno mode. Here we are in nineteen seventy six.
He plays Tom. We're in Buenos Aires and Peron has
just been ousted by a military coup. He is an
English teacher at a private boys' school. There's a lot

(25:08):
of privileged young men whose parents are all kind of
caught up in what is going on at the moment Politically.
Tom is not a hugely inspirational teacher, Jack or man.
He's in South America on the run from a family tragedy.
He is not huge interested in his job. He just
earns a living. He does enough so that he can
go on. You can go away for weekends, take a

(25:31):
little holiday. He can have a few drinks, meet a lady,
or to avoid the world. He is just on the
run from life. He's just trying to live his own
life and looking for escapism. And on one of these
holiday weekends he's in Uruguay, he too impress a woman.
As you heard him trailer, he saves his penguin from
an oil slick and they clean it up, and then

(25:52):
he tries to return it to the beach. And then
how this penguin ends up back at his school and
what his areas is kind of unbelievable. But if you
can accept that when a problem becomes too difficult for
people to deal with, sometimes they just find it easier
to let a man smuggle a penguin across the border,
you'll understand how this has happened.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Right.

Speaker 9 (26:12):
The penguin kind of becomes everybody's best friend. The boys
that Tom teach suddenly become more motivated to learn English,
as colleagues find the penguin a good listener. He's just
this distraction that they all kind of need at this point.
But the film also acknowledges that what is going on
at this particular point and in time politically, and so

(26:34):
you've got this quite sweet story and then it turns
a little bit more political and one of the school
workers has taken and Tom sort of signs the courage
to put his head about the pulpit and stand up
for something. Look, I think Steve Coagan, he totally nails
the comedic side of this. It's kind of a little

(26:54):
quirky and a little unusual, and I think he does
that really well. I wasn't hugely convinced that he'd sort
of went on this kind of emotional journey to become
this better man and to overcome maybe the issues in
his own life. I'm not quite sure whether the performance
kind of got me that far. And I think it
is very difficult when you set a film at a

(27:15):
time when there is something so large and important happening politically.
You know, you have tens of thousands of people being disappeared,
and you're trying to kind of balance this.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
It's quite a sort of trivial story with an incredible.

Speaker 9 (27:27):
Yeah, and I'm not entirely sure they've balanced that well.
But look, this is a nice kind of Sunday afternoon,
like if you're interested in penguins.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Very good well Steve Kirk and never thought they'd be
on screen together. So that is the Penguin lessons. That's
showing in cinemas. Now, next up another film showing at
the flicks and probably one you want to see on
the big screen.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
This is Warfare.

Speaker 8 (27:55):
Use Burke to pick an improvement, speaking with serious intent
to prove Alpha two that you might have guys starting
to move on our position.

Speaker 10 (28:04):
We're getting build up of activity here too, guy Web
at this point, Yeah, we have definitely massive.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Dunt dunt dun. That's warfare. Sounds like a bit of
blood and guts and popcorn.

Speaker 11 (28:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (28:22):
Look, I'm really glad that we started with the pleasant
light comedy because Warfare, I Apologize, is not easy watching
for an Easter weekend. It's directed by a former seal,
Ray Mendoza, along with Alex Garland, who you will know
as the director of Civil War and Ex Machine Or
and Things. And at the beginning of this film, instead
of saying this is based on a true event, they

(28:43):
say that this film uses only their memories and that's
really important to note. So this is basically it's based
primarily on Mendoza's memories of this one day in Iraq
when a seal to Tune creep into an Iraqi town
to do surveillance. A head of ground troops surviving. The
next day, they pick a home. They take over this home.
They put the family who lives there that's sort of

(29:05):
in a room, and then they start surveiling the street.
And during that surveillance they realize that there is some
suspicious movement going on and they prepare themselves for action.
This is a film about the nature of war.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
It's quite a.

Speaker 9 (29:16):
Political it's an anti war film. There is nothing glamorized,
nothing dramatized. There is no creative license here.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Jack.

Speaker 9 (29:23):
They're not trying to entertain us. They try to say,
this is an ordinary day in the life of a soldier,
and they are trying to take you into that world.
And they're trying to show that it doesn't matter what
side you're on, or whether you're a civilian or just
an innocent bystander. There is absolutely no way that you
could walk out of an environment like this without being

(29:43):
seriously damaged. And I'm not saying this physically, I'm saying mentally.
It is absolutely grueling. The dialogue is all military jargon.
There is no lovely soundtrack here. The sound is actually
what is happening on the day. So as they're waiting,
it's silent they're waiting that you're very patiently. You can
feel that kind of tension building, and then once the
action does cakin, it's just gunfire. It's just horrific screams

(30:06):
of soldiers. It's an incredibly visceral film, very intense. You
will be relieved when it is over, but I was
incredibly grateful for the experience.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
It's quote, oh superb Okay, yeah, that sounds really interesting,
but one you probably just want to watch at the
right time, in the right frame of mind. Right. You
want to be strategic. You don't just want to turn
up at the movies looking for some relaxation and decompression
and then all of a sudden find yourself twenty minutes
into Warfare this week, not that film. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,

(30:38):
it sounds really interesting. Okay, cool. So that is Warfare
that's showing in cinemas now. The Penguin Lessons is the
one with Steve Coogan and is on at the flicks
as well. Thank you so much, Francesca. The details for
those films, of course, we'll be up on the news talks.
He'd be website and don't forget right after the ten
o'clock news this morning, our feature interview hot off his
nomination for an Oscar am Bafter for his performance in Belfast,

(31:00):
Irish actor Kieran Hines is going to be with us,
so make sure you stick around for that next up.
If you feel like Hot Cross Buns aren't going to
do it tomorrow morning, you want something a little bit
different for you for your Easter Sunday breakfast. A fantastic
recipe this year. Right now, it's quarter to ten.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Saturday mornings with Jack Tay keeping the conversation going through
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Speaker 4 (31:24):
He'd be thirteen two ten on news Talks, he'd be
I'm with the family in Nelson this weekend. So we've
got what five cousins, so five kids under eight, Mom
and dad, me, my sister, my brother in law, my wife.
Every one at a full house to say the least.
But whenever the family gets together, it is a time
for mucho treats in the tame household. I know that

(31:45):
Nicky works will appreciate that kind of ethos, and she's
with us the head of Easter Sunday this morning, Killed
and Nikki.

Speaker 12 (31:52):
I totally appreciate that, Ethos. I also have a house
full of people, and I am the auntie that knows
no rules and lots.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Of treats away.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
So here's here's how things before before You've got a
great little recipe just to mix things up for us
tomorrow morning freeze to Sunday. But you'll be pleased to
know that I've not only have I been a bit
eastery for my breakfast this morning, I've also mixed things up.
So I've had two hot Cross buns with like you know,
like fifty to fifty butter to bun ratio, of course.
And then I followed it up with my favorite breakfast

(32:22):
and one that I only ever enjoy when I'm home
with Mum, and that is I had two Brandy Snaps
with cream that were left over from dessert last night. Well,
and the thing is, if you leave a Brandy Snap
until the next day, it kind of soaked through and
has this oh my goodness, it's so good.

Speaker 12 (32:38):
Yeah, yeah, you were talking my language. That and pavlover
they both soften up.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (32:44):
Cream it was so slightly fridge stale, and it's.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Just breakfast Champions.

Speaker 8 (32:50):
Breakfast.

Speaker 12 (32:51):
Anyway, I've done the same So I made a batch
of hot Cross buns last night and then I freshened
them up this morning. But you know, hot Cross buns,
they do take ninety nine million hours to make. They
are definitely worth it to make yourself. People go online
and check my Facebook or Insta and you'll find my
tried and true recipe. But I have also been making

(33:12):
these and they are Easter pancakes, Jack, and they are divine.
So I thought to myself, what can you make that
has all the flavors of Easter? And if you think
about what water in buns, there's currants and sultanas, there's
mixed spice, nutmeg, there's cinnamon in there, et cetera, et cetera,
you're already really after as the lashings of butter.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Let's be honest.

Speaker 12 (33:33):
So I've made these beautiful pancakes, and this is what
I do. I make them with oats. I have no
idea why I just do it. You could probably do
it with flour. But I take two thirds of a
cup of rolled oats and I blitz those in a
blender till it's kind of like flour, so it's oat flour.
Tip these into a bowl and add in the spices
and use lots of spices, one teaspoon of cinnamon, one

(33:53):
teaspoon of mixed spice, half a teaspoon of nutmeg. And
then we want a few little raising agents in there,
and I use half a teaspoon of baking powder and
half a teaspoon of baking soda. Whisk that add all
up all of those dry ingredients, and then in a
cup or another little bowl whisked together some mashed banana,
one mashed banana, one egg, and some yogurt or some water.

(34:17):
And you really want I don't know, maybe quart of
a cup of that, and then start adding some water
or milk, and you just want to make sure that
is quite a fixed sort of batter mixture. Add in
your currants and I've used three tablespoons of currants or
sultanas here if you want, you can also put on
lots of orange zest and lemon zest, and that also
will give you that really beautiful hot cross bun flavor,

(34:39):
and all of that up until it forms a lovely
smooth dough. Don't overmix it because that just means that
you'll get a sort of tough pancake. And you want
to start cooking them pretty soon after you've done this,
because those raising agents have met up with the liquid
and they're already starting to puff and activate. Heat a
pan with that medium, Grease the surface ever so slightly

(35:00):
on that first lot with a little butter, but you
shouldn't have to afterwards drop big tablespoons of the batter
into the And this makes at least twelve pancakes, so
you all in your family get at least a couple each,
I'd say, down there, jack and then cook until browned
on one side and slightly puffed. Flip them over, cook
right through. They do take a little bit of cooking,

(35:21):
and then I actually prefer to eat them a little
bit cooler than you know, hot out of the pan
and have that just brings up the spice flavor.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
A little bit more interesting.

Speaker 9 (35:31):
Suve them with lots of.

Speaker 12 (35:32):
Butter syrups if you want fancy anything, you fancy really
and it's a happy easter all round. It's honestly, they're
absolutely gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
It sounds so good and such a good little alternative
if you haven't faffed about with hot cross bunds. Not
to say the homegross hot cross buns aren't incredible and delicious.
But you know what I mean slightly, I'm a bit
of a shortcut to an eastery flavor. Yeah, it's put
it that way. You'll have these, you.

Speaker 12 (35:55):
Know, in the bowl and on the table within twenty minutes,
whereas it's a good six hours for those hot cross
buns to rise a few times. So you know it's
not either.

Speaker 9 (36:03):
All I've done both.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's my ethos.

Speaker 12 (36:07):
All right, there go exactly chocolate everything.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, Hey, thank you so much.
We will put that recipe up on the news talks.
He'd be website the easiest way to find everything from
our shows to go to news talks. He'd dot co
dot nzed Ford slash Jack. Have a wonderful Easter weekend, Nikki,
and we will catch you very soon. Right now, it
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Speaker 1 (36:29):
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Speaker 4 (36:39):
I've had so many text and emails that out. I
thank you very much if you flick me a message through,
and sorry if I haven't got to it yet yet.
Being the pivotal word. I'm going to share this one
from Peter because it's very nice. Indeed, Jack, I look
forward to your opening comments on Saturday mornings every week,
and you absolutely nailed it this morning. I don't always
agree with you, but I share your fascination when it
comes to colossal squid and your distaste of the billionaires

(37:01):
sending their mates to space.

Speaker 8 (37:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
I don't know, maybe I've been a little bit harsh
on the celebrities who got fired up there. It just
just it seemed a little bit silly. And then I
just I just thought the contrast with that from you know,
the kind of embracing that the explorer spirit. I felt like, actually,
what was achieved in those Antarctic waters in filming that
colossal squid and kind of you know, unwrapping that mystery

(37:27):
just a little bit more. I thought that was remarkable.
Regarding the colossal squid, Jack, twenty years ago, I was
working on a fishing boat circumnavigating the South Island targeting
hawky when we caught a colossal squid in the net.
The suckers were about the size of a cup with
a hook in each sucker, and the hood was larger
than me at six foot two. The beak was the

(37:49):
size of a large dinner plate that could easily have
crushed a skull, and the fishing company was offered tens
of thousands of dollars by a Japanese company. However, of course,
colossal squid are protected and by law we had to
donate it to Tapapa for scientific study. What an amazing experience.
I mean, it's, you know, like add in a sense
when you're dredging, you know, when you're pulling something like
that up. Although usually I think colossal squid are very deep,

(38:12):
so if you're pulling it up at that you know
kind of depth, that probably suggests that maybe not all
as well. But thank you very much for sharing that
with us. They really are an extraordinary creature. I just
think it's amazing that something as long as a bus,
that weighs as much as a car has taken us
until twenty twenty five to film. Anyway, ninety two ninety
two is our text number if you want to send
us a message after ten o'clock. What to Harry Potter,

(38:32):
Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings and Frozen all
have in common. One man Kieren Hines, Irish acting legend
Oscar nominee Kieren Hines has been filming in New Zealand.
We've managed to track him down for an interview, so
he's going to be with us very shortly. It's almost
news time. We'll get the latest on the storm overnight.
I'm Jack Tame. It's Saturday morning. This is Newstalg's EDB.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
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Speaker 4 (39:28):
Mordkoto. You're with Jack Taime on Newstork ZV through to
midday today. Kieren Hines's acting talents lend himself to both
villainous rolls and simmering heroics. His long and storied career
has included intimate Shakespearean theater productions right through to major
franchises such as Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, Lord of

(39:50):
the Rings, and the Disney animation Frozen. Karen's latest project,
The Narrow Road to the Deep North, is an intimate
character study of human spirit. It's a series based on
the novel by Richard Fanagan see against the backdrop of
the Japanese Prisoner of War camp during the Second World War.

Speaker 9 (40:13):
Tell me how did it feel going from a soldier
into a prisoner of.

Speaker 8 (40:17):
War to be incarciated when others are fighting.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
It is hard for soldier.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
Spirit yours here to build our railway.

Speaker 9 (40:25):
What do you call most of that time?

Speaker 8 (40:28):
Memory is the only true of Justine.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
That's The Narrow Road to the Deep North. And Kiaren
Hines is with us this morning, Kilder, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (40:44):
Thank you very much. Jack.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
The Narrow Road to the Deep North. It is an
extraordinary novel by Richard Flanagan. But tell us what drew
you to this production.

Speaker 8 (40:55):
I guess the first thing that dremmagers the production was
a contact that my agent got touch saying that Justin
Kurzel was interested in me perhaps playing a role in
project he was doing. And I had right chance. Had
seen a film called Nitrum that or Nitrum, I'm not
sure what it's called, but that he and Sean Grant,

(41:17):
the writer, had put together and I was very, very
moved by it. And I knew that he had some
of his work, he had done Macbeth and I so
I asked what the project was, and he said, Narrow
Wrote to the Deep Knock a book I'd heard of
but had never read, and they sent me a couple

(41:38):
of scripts and I was immediately hooked by the quality
of the writing and the story itself. So I went
out and got myself the book and then I had
this extraordinary, extraordinary experience reading and deeply, deeply moved. I
was by the stavatory, the cruelty, the brutality, the love,

(41:59):
the deep passion they wanting. It's a huge and hugely
emotional read for any anybody. But it also filled me
in in some history that I wasn't really aware of.
And from then I said, I'm very interested in this project,
and sort of it down from there.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
So I'm interested. You say that because because it is
a love story, but it also details some of the
absolute worst horrors from the Pacific Campaign in the Second
World War. And as someone who grew up, I suppose
in the shadow of the Second World War or in
the decades thereafter, was the Pacific dimension to that conflict

(42:40):
something that had come across your you know it come
across your desk before. Was it something you were aware of?

Speaker 8 (42:47):
Not in any in any great shakes in any way,
Because because I've supposed through history or through school, through whatever,
through just location. We were more involved with the war
in Europe. But I guess the flextionon I would have
was probably in my late scenes seeing bridge of the
River Kui, for example, that would have been the reference
I would have had. And then so o, my god.

(43:08):
And then I read a few things about it. But
it's it's very interesting when you read it through. For me,
from when I read it through literature as opposed to history,
it makes it even even more real. The horror, yeah,
the savagery, the brutality, and yet the courage and deep
deep love of men to hold on to each other

(43:31):
in a sense of survival and commitment to each other.
It was huge. I mean, it's a great human book,
you know, full of horror, but full of beauty and
passion and desire. Yeah, So might you read for anybody?

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Do you do you think that through stories or maybe
even through personal experience, it's it's a sort of a cliche,
you know, the best of times or the worst in
times brings out the best in people. And and I suppose,
I suppose one of the things that's really clear, you know,
I'll make no bones about it, this is a times
a very confronting. Watch it's it's pretty it's pretty dark,

(44:10):
and viewers are not spared the horrors of you know,
of life and death as prisoners of war during the
Second World War in Mianma or in Burma. Do you
think we as humans need to experience those absolute horrors
in order to see the very best of our species
as well.

Speaker 8 (44:30):
I'm not one for relishing or indulging in kind of
torture porn. That's a different thing. But this is a
this is a sense of reality I noticed in you know,
when I read it, and reading it without being visualized
on camera for for a television adaptation, one's imagination takes

(44:52):
one away into into a terrible place. But what I've
found about this when I saw the rough cut was
it's kind of it's held back a lot, but it's
it's there. It's held back until a moment arrived that
it becomes relentless. But it is one huge moment and

(45:12):
yet so it's not regularly in your face all the
time or hear it comes again. So when it comes,
it's like as if it would never stop. But it
gives you the idea that these men lived under these
conditions for those years and years, although they you know,
in extremists, they show this one idea of a severe
beating and it is extraordinary and you're begging yourself, i

(45:36):
think the viewer, for it to stop, to stop, and
yet the thing is all the you know, the way
the story is. These men cannot stop it. There's nothing
they can stop, and they're witness to it, like we
are witnessed to watching the filmmaker make this, but in
not any it's such a human film, and it's it's
a hard watch. You're right, Jack, it's really hard. And

(45:58):
then there's those moments that keep Dorrigo Evans the main protagonist,
this young doctor who helps keep all these people alive
in a sense of how he can save their lives,
how he can keep them going, and yet he himself
is kept alive by in a way kind of well
it's not illicit wealth, but his heart is taken profoundly

(46:21):
by a young woman who he's not intended for. He's
intended for another woman, but he can't help. But one
can't help out of the heart dictates your life, and
that flame keeps him alive and away because all this
kind of thing is all burning, burning together, and there's
this sense of what is love and what is devotion
and need a passion. It's this book that Richard Fanninger note,

(46:46):
it's full of it. And also because the fact that
jumps between timing periods between the nineteen forties in Australia
and in Burma and then to the nineteen eighties, and
it keeps going backwards and forwards in that time, and
you see what the kind of a shell of a
man that this young passionate doctor has become. He's still

(47:06):
a renowned doctor and he still has empathy, but he's
kind of a shall of a man. He's kind of
there's a lack of warmth in him anymore. And I
think it's because of what he's been through so deeply
in his early life.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
And so you're playing Dorogon Dorogo rather in the nineteen
eighties and Jacob a Lordie is playing him as a
young man in the nineteen forties, so obviously the story
sort of swings between those those two different times. Did
you work with Jacob at all? Do you with the
sort of production you don't coordinate around Dorogo's character or

(47:41):
anything like that.

Speaker 8 (47:43):
No, I guess I always wondered so because Jacob was
obviously cast to play the younger Dorogo Evans, which is
the main role, and then I guess they throw a
net out to see who can play the older one.
And it's kind of interesting. You think poor Jacob is
going to end up a bit like me when he's old.
That would be a terrible thing for him. But I

(48:05):
think it's about a spirit to people that Justin Kurzel,
director was looking for something that he'd seen in the
performance I've given, is what he was looking for about
the soul of this man. And I only met it
was dubbly. To man, it was a terrific actor. But
I literally met him for five minutes because we were
in different time zones and I was just finishing and

(48:28):
he was literally coming back to start restart some of
the work that they'd already done, and I was just
in for three weeks to cover what I had to do,
And so at least we got to say hello.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
It strikes me, Karen, that you have had nothing if
not an incredibly richly diversified and vary career. You've played
all these characters and all sorts of different production shows, movies,
theater productions over the years, stories all around the world.
But I wanted to ask you about Belfast because it's
a couple of years since I think you were probably

(49:04):
getting fitted for a suit to go to the Oscars.
Nominated for your role in Belfast, and as someone who
grew up in Northern Ireland, did telling that story was
the personal dimension and connection you had to the place
in the city. Did that add another kind of element
to that production for you?

Speaker 8 (49:24):
It was huge. It was huge to me, not the
fact that you're not made for an oscar, and it
was huge the idea of just because the way my
life is gone, you know, through a lot of theater
and some television and film and bouncing from here to there,
not like a headless chicken, sometimes not knowing where am
I going?

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Now?

Speaker 8 (49:42):
What's the gig? What's the deal? What do I have
to do? How do I have to prepare? Am I
going to be able for this? I'm I write for this,
but keep going. And then suddenly, after all those years
just working, suddenly Cam Brown sent the script to me
and I read it and I just connected with it immediately,
And so I guess I don't know. I would have
been in my late sixties, late sixties. Then after all

(50:07):
those years of charging around everywhere. Somebody said I'm down
and come home.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (50:14):
And although we filmed it in Berkshire, in England, all
of it it was like coming home and they did.
It is because Ken had been very, very faithful to
our tribe, our Northern Irish tribe. Even though Ken's Partisant
and Catholic, it doesn't. We're a tribe from of Irish

(50:35):
people and we're from the north of Ireland, and we
have our own separate banter kind of rules, kind of behavior.
And I recognized in his sensitivity of his writing, and
the joy is writing that is a different Catholic Protestant
divide is kind of an invention, not real in a way. Well,
it's real, but it doesn't mean anything really because at

(50:59):
the heart of it, if people are the same and
what he wrote reflecting exactly my family too.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Finally, Kieren, you're in New Zealand at the moment, shooting,
shooting east of Eden. We have this terrible habit in
the New Zealand media of anyone anytime anyone of interest
visits our shows, we're all desperate to ask them the
same question. It's actually become a bit of a parody.
But it'll be remiss for me not to ask you
what are your impressions of New Zealand? What do you
think of New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (51:28):
I love it, mate, I love it. It's no I've
come here for four weeks, came to Auckland to prepare,
then down to Omaru and the Otago Hills. I mean,
my heart was taken again by another landscape that's so beautiful.
I got to share a glass of wine with Sam Neil,

(51:51):
which was a joy for me because of course he
was born in Oman County, Toronto all those years back then.
He's such a lovely man and you know, he gave
me some advice about where to eat when it came
to Auckland. And it was also what owners aparts from
the landscape. The people are very just the lovely warmth
above them, a natural warmth and I'm not just blowing smoke,

(52:14):
by the way. What I loved about was the New
Zealand crew. The people who are doing all the technical
work around why we do are acting. It's so great.
They're work in such a calm way that they're not
running around showing you that they're working. The work is
getting done, but they're calm about it and I love that.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Yeah, I'm pleased to hear it. We'll all the very
best for the remainder of your time here. I hope
you can enjoy some blue cord because I know that
the water is off the coast of Armado bringing some
of the best blue card in the world, I think,
so hopefully you can enjoy that while you're there. And
congratulations that the Narrow Road to the Deep North is
deeply moving and affecting. And thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (52:54):
Oh great, thanks so luch love me to talk to
you you too.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
That is Kieren Hines. The Narrow Road to the Deep
North is his news show. We'll make sure all the
details are up on the News Dogs. He'd be website
now before eleven o'clock on new Talks ZEDB, We're going
to look at what has been a pretty tricky week
for a couple of the big tech companies in the
US and you're going to think, well, hang on a second,
other the big tech companies in the pocket of Donald
Trump at the moment. Yeah they are, And yet both

(53:18):
Google and Meta are facing really tough scrutiny with different
kind of congressional investigations and legal issues. So we're going
to explain how they've tried to manage that, what the
implications could be, and whether or not actually Google or
Meta could be forced to make some massive changes that
would drastically change the way that you and I use
Facebook and Google and that kind of thing sometime in

(53:40):
the future. As well as that, we're in the garden
spotting fungi with the weather around the country. Next up,
your screen time picks for this week. Right now, it's
twenty one minutes past ten.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
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Speaker 4 (54:00):
Four minutes past ten on Newstalks ZEDB, which means, of
course that it is screen time time on Saturday mornings.
This time every week we catch up with our screen
time expert, Tar Reward. She picks three shows to watch
your stream at home that she reckons thro're a bit
of fun. Tara's with us this morning.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Killed her Yoda, Good morning.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Let's begin with a new show streaming on three now.
Tell us about Patients.

Speaker 13 (54:25):
Yeah, this is a new crime drama that's just come
to three Now and it's a British remake of a
French drama, and in a lot of ways it's your
typical police procedural, but there is a bit of a
twist to it, and that one of the two main
characters is autistic and her name is Patience. She's a
young woman who works as a criminal archivist for the
police in York and one day a detective is reviewing

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files trying to solve a suspicious death and Patience has
a talent for puzzles and she suggests to the detective
that the case is connected to a series of other deaths,
and so the detective brings Patients onto her team to assist,
and together they make this unlikely duo. But Patience is
really skilled at picking up details and no noticing things
that other people have missed. So the show is very

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gentle and slow, and it is similar to other crime
dramas and that you've got your frazzle detective who's trying
to juggle work and family life, and it covers a
different murder every episode, But the character of Patients and
the insight into her world as a young neurodiverse woman
makes this stand out of it. So if you love
a crime drama, I think you'll appreciate this, and it's

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filmed in York as well, which gives it a very historic,
beautiful setting as well.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Yeah, did you ever see The Good Doctor?

Speaker 13 (55:37):
I did see The Good Doctor and it sort of
reminded me of that as well, a similar premise, but
in more of sort of a restrained English setting.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Yes, okay, yeah, no, I can imagine The Good Doctor
had a neurodiverse surgeon basically who would inevitably save the
day when everyone else missed things. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so no,
that sounds really good though. So that's Patience. That's on
three now on Disney Plus. Tell us about The Stolen Girl.

Speaker 13 (56:02):
Yeah, if you're looking for a thriller that is sleek
and grippy and instantly forgettable, this will do the trick.
This is The Stolen Girl. It's a British series and
it's about a mother who lets her daughter stay over
at her new friend's house for a sleepover. And when
the mother goes to pick up her daughter the next day,
everyone has gone. Her daughter has disappeared, and the family
of her daughter's friend has gone as well. And the

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investigation into the kidnapping uncovers this huge conspiracy and rips
open the family's lives. They need to find out who
the family really was, who befriended her daughter, and they
have to find out if the daughter's disappearance is related
to her husband's job as a criminal lawyer. Is it revenge?
Is it a grudge? Is it something more sinister? And
I think the key to the show is the pace.

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It hums along at a cracking pace which stops you
thinking about any plot holes or asking too many questions.
This is just a really twisty, gripping kind of thriller
that you should just enjoy for what it is. It's
beautifully made. Everyone lives in these gorgeous, stylish houses. There
are lots of bonkers plot twists and turns, but it's
fun and it will keep you hooked for all five

(57:09):
wonderfully malodramatic episode. It's kind of the perfect thing just
to chill out to on the couch.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
This, yes, I think a bit of a scapism. Oh
it sounds good. Okay. It's the Stolon Girl that's on
Disney Plus at last, but not least on Netflix.

Speaker 13 (57:21):
Diamond Heist and this is a new true crime documentary
series that's just come on to Netflix and it is
everything that you would expect from a series that's produced
by Guy Ritchie. It features a gang of Cockney criminals
and is about a real life diamond heist in the
Millennium Dome. And this is about what happened in the
year two thousand when a gang of criminals tried to

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steal the Millennial Star Diamond, which was worth two hundred
and fifty million pounds and it was part of a
de Beers diamond exhibition that was on in the Millennium
Dome in London. And the series talks to the criminals
who planned the theft, who tried to smash and grab
their way into the vault, and it also talked to
the police from the Flying Squad who knew something was up,
who were watching these guys and waiting for them to

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do something. And it's one of those stranger than fiction stories.
If this wasn't a movie or a TV series, you
just think it was so far fetched. But it's told
in a really entertaining way. It feels like an action movie,
great soundtrack, very slick editing, lots of reenactments and archival footage,
and some really intriguing characters. The main villain is a
guy called Lee Wenham who just wanted to do one

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last job to make his gangster father proud. It's so audacious.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Last job.

Speaker 13 (58:33):
You wouldn't believe it if it wasn't true.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
No no, no, that sounds great. Okay, cool. That's Diamond Heist.
That's on Netflix. That sounds like a bit of me.
The Stolen Girl is on Disney Plus, Patience is on
three now, and all of those shows will be up
on the News talks He'd be website. Thank you so much, Tara.
We will see you again next Saturday morning. Thank you
for your messages this morning as well. We've been talking
colossal squid, don't things the difference is there between a

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giant squid and a colossal squid, like a colossal squid
is its actual name? Anyway? That that amazing footage that
the scientists working in the sort of sub antarctic waters
managed to manage to record a few weeks ago confirmed
as being the first footage of a colossal squid in
its natural environment. Jack in two thousand and two, we

(59:18):
were fishing eighty miles west off Westport when we came
across a giant squid. It had a huge bite in
the side of its body was surrounded by fourteen albatrosses
pecking at the body, which measured six meters long. The
legs hung down over eleven meters according to our sonar.
The day before we saw a blue whales swim by,
says Allen. That sounds incredible, Allan, So it's funny because

(59:42):
I thought, not that I'm a colossal squid expert, but
you have because you have that trench off the coast
of Cau Colder, that where the where the depth increases
ready really quickly. That's kind of an ideal area for wales, right,
and that's why you get so many whales spottings off
the Ca Colder coast, and presumably where the whales are,

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the giant squid or the colossal squid are. But here
Ellen saying he was fish on the other coast and
the Tasman so off the coast of Westport. Now, I
mean it's absolutely wild out there as well in the Tasman.
So interesting that you came across it over there, Ellen,
it sounds like an amazing thing to find.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
And just don't you know, I just I don't know,
there's something about it that just you know, it's just
it's just that incredible reminder of the kind of mysteries
that live beneath us. Say, you know, the mystery is
much closer to home than anything intergalactic. Anyway, ninety two
ninety two is our text number if you want to
send me a message like Allen did this morning. It's
just gone ten thirty. You were Jack Tame on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 14 (01:00:50):
So you see, every week our music reviewer brings us

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the latest and greatest and fresh music.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
And she's got a finger on the pulse. She knows
what's hot, she knows all the samples, all the references.
She recommends us. The best album is the best artist
that she can put her ears to. She's across at all.
We are the ones here to get school. But oh
how the tables have turned. See I remember a couple
of weeks ago on news Talks, he'db. I asked our
music reviewer Estelle Cliffe if she'd ever heard of the

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band be Root, and would you believe it? She hadn't, so,
not wanting to be shown up by me, my goodness,
Estelle went away and did a deep dive listen on
the band from New Mexico and would you believe this
week bea Route actually have a brand new album coming
out very timely. Ah, So Beyrout the band have always

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drawn influence from music from around the world, and I
think that's one of the things I really like. They
sort of had a real kind of Eastern European vibe.
But you know they have influenced is ranging from France
to Mexico to Santa Fe, New Mexico and est that
was going to join us before ber Day to Day
to share everything she has discovered about the excellent music
recommendations by yours truly, and she's going to tell us

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about be Root's brand new album, which is inspired by
and written for none other than a Swedish circus for
an acrobatic stage show. So there you go. You can't
say that we don't bring you some variety, some eclectic choices.
On Saturday mornings on News Talks 'DB before eleven o'clock,
we'll get your wine picked for this week. Next up,
though it has been a big week for some of

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the tech giants, we'll tell you what it'll mean for
your favorite platforms in a few minutes. Right now, it's
twenty five to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast, the.

Speaker 15 (01:02:51):
Terror war has now become fascal. Of course, the Fontira
CEO Miles Hurrell is back with us. Broadly speaking, are
you worried?

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
I wouldn't say worried.

Speaker 16 (01:02:57):
Got it kicks on your toes nine. That product goes
into international market, so it's not happened in one corner
of the world. It's happening the other.

Speaker 15 (01:03:03):
We've got some good numbers out of China, but that's
pre the shamble. What's your expectation as to what happens
to China and how that impacts somebody like Youth?

Speaker 11 (01:03:11):
Well, I mean I've come.

Speaker 16 (01:03:12):
Out of that lull they had a couple of years ago,
so I think we threw the worst of that or
what'so obviously planning that in the international market now will
sort of soften things a little bit, you know, because
we've come off a pre low bait. I think we've
seen still a pre robust position out of China and
the sort of that short to medium tune.

Speaker 15 (01:03:25):
Back Tuesday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast of
the Rain drove the last news talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
Twenty two to eleven non newstalk zv you with Jack
Tame And it's been a tough week. If it is
a really a tough week, I don't know that we
can say that for the likes of Google and Meta,
but at the very least, both of those tech companies
have been raked over the coals in the US. Tech
commentator Oscar Howe is here with the details this morning.

Speaker 11 (01:03:47):
Hey Oscar, Hey Jack, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Yeah, great to be chatting with you. Thanks for being here.
So tell us first of all about Google. Google has
been accused of running an illegal monopoly.

Speaker 11 (01:03:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:03:59):
So Google has just lost quite a lot of anticross
case in the United States, a federal judgment Virginia or
that was backed up by a number of judges across
the country rule that had maintained an illegal monopoly in
the online advertising market. And it seems like google strategy
was to insulate the entire online advertising process to squash competition.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Right, Okay, So what's it going to mean now that
they've lost it?

Speaker 10 (01:04:26):
Well, I think it seems like the US Justice Department
are kind of weighing up where to push things there's
the talk of Google being made to spin off Google Chrome,
it's browser, and then yeah, hopefully kind of create a
bit more space in the market for alternative advertisers to
pop up, which I mean, as we all know, more

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competition can mean more competitive alternatives for small people looking
to a well, people looking to advertise.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
Yeah, it's fascinating when you think about how integrated all
of those Google services are. The things that kind of
make them very convenient at times from a consumer's perspective.
Also means that they absolutely dominant the digital ad you know,
did digital ad market or much of the digital ad market.
A lot of the data that they can offer advertisers,
you know, far exceeds anything that other advertisers can do.

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But obviously another big digital player in the advertising market
is Meta, the owner of Facebook, and Facebook's been in
front of the FTC for antitrust behavior.

Speaker 11 (01:05:25):
Tell us about that, Yeah, fuddly enough, similar story.

Speaker 10 (01:05:30):
It seems as though in the past, probably before it
was called Meta, it was just no known as Facebook.
Their previous growth strategy was to buy or bearing and
that's a direct quote competitors in the social media industry,
which may have led to them acquiring platforms people know,
such as Instagram and WhatsApp, And yeah, basically the more

(01:05:50):
real estate they to buy up in that space, the
less opportunities there were, the competitives to grow.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
Yeah, it's funny. I remember when you know they purchased
both of those operations. What's happened Instagram And I remember
at the time everyone was saying, oh my gosh, they're
paying way too much money for this, way too much money.
But I think over time, given how popular Instagram and
WhatsApp have become, you know, Facebook strategy, at least from
a market dominance kind of perspective, has certainly played out.

(01:06:17):
You know, it has proved to be pretty good. But
whether or not it's actually anti trust behave for I suppose,
there's another question. It's also been revealed this week Oscar
that Steam has made teens of millions of dollars in
gaming loot crates. For anyone who doesn't know what a
gaming loot crate actually is, can you explain this to us?

Speaker 10 (01:06:35):
Yeah, so is effectively a form of online gambler in
its purest form. So this may sound a little bit
silly to people who aren't kind of in the gaming space,
but effectively you can buy skins or aesthetic items for
your character in a video game, and Steam is one
of the largest publishers in the world and also the

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largest online gaming games marketplace. Yeah, for you, basically, you
want to juge up your character a little bit, and
one of the mechanisms by which you can do that
is you effectively role in these kind of roulette style
cases where you know you might spend three or four dollars,
you spin the wheel and you get a certain skin,
and obviously some are more desirable than others, and that's

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the kind of thing that can create gambling addictions, especially
for young people, because especially in a space like gaming,
you know, everything's bright, it's colorful, as part of the
kind of pop cultures like guys, it's really attractive and
seeing like you said, has made eighty two million dollars
in March. That's USD by the way, a lot of

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them just one of their video games. So yeah, I
think it'd be a good time to take a look
at that and see whether that's creating harmful behavior, whether
that's harmful behavior, especially towards New Zealand young people.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Yeah, that's amazing. That's a vast amount of money. So
basically it's almost like a lucky debt bay. So if
you're really into gaming, you can give some money and
it kind of is, you know, it's like a roulette
or you know, like a pokey or something. Basically you
give some money and then hope that you get a
skin that you like, but there's no guarantee that you're
going to get there. And people people say, oh, I

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didn't get it this time. I'll just pay a bit more.
I'll just pay a bit more. I'll just pay a
bit more. It's going to come through sometime soon and
you can see how comparable it is to the more
traditional forms of gambling.

Speaker 10 (01:08:19):
Absolutely, And I think probably the key problem with it
is that because it's such a new frontier, it's nearly
entirely unregulated. Yeah, in MW Zealand going across the world, right,
and I mean, I think especially as gaming kind of
grows to be I mean, it already is the largest
form of entertainment in the world, you know, by the
amount of money it raises every year. But I think
it's it's time that maybe regulators begin to look at

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how gambling and gaming can be brought to heal.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
So, yeah, yeah, all very good. Hey, thanks so much
for your time, Oscar and your expertise. That's tech commentator Oscar.
How in a couple of minutes, Simelier Cameron Douglas gives
us his Easter weekend pick right now, it's sixteen minutes
to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and be
pewured on for high quality supplements used Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
MB fourteen two eleven on newstorg Zby it's wine time
and Master Samalier Cameron Douglas is here this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:09:16):
Hey Cameron, good morning Jack.

Speaker 10 (01:09:18):
Nice to be back.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
Yeah, nice to be speaking with you and your pick
throughout Easter holiday weekend is an Esk Valley Mulbek Cabinet
Sevignon Merlow twenty twenty two is the vintage from Hawks
Bay retails for twenty four to ninety nine. So tell
us about the wine.

Speaker 10 (01:09:34):
Well, this comes from part of Hawk's Bay that has
what's called a GI, a geographical indicator, and that means
that the boundary lines and the soil type are particularly special.

Speaker 17 (01:09:46):
So when with an Esque Valley cabinet Murlow planted on this.

Speaker 10 (01:09:51):
It is a very special wine because of just that
color and concentration that it has, and people who like
red wine will sort of get right into that big
dark red berry fruits and BlackBerry bouquet. But on the palette,
this is what makes the wine special.

Speaker 17 (01:10:10):
It has all of this.

Speaker 10 (01:10:11):
Extra sort of secondary characters.

Speaker 17 (01:10:13):
Like bitter chocolate and cacao and baking spices. And it's
an absolute bargain because it comes from a place that
has garnered respect from a lot of veneurons from around
the world. It's got complexity and depths, not too much tannin,
and lots of bite and freshness.

Speaker 10 (01:10:32):
It's really good.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
That sounds fantastic, Okay. Twenty twenty two was a pretty
good year for wine from hawks Bay as well.

Speaker 17 (01:10:39):
A yeah, it comes on the back of a elevant
in twenty twenty one, and this nature has a way
of holding on to the previous vintage when it comes
to the wine world. And luckily for a place like
Hawk's Bay that got hammered in twenty three, twenty twenty
two ended up being a rather special year.

Speaker 10 (01:11:01):
Warm and dry.

Speaker 17 (01:11:03):
In fact, they had color change in grapes, the early
est in thirty years in twenty twenty two. And what
that meant was a long growing ripening season. He's the
concentration of the swine.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Oh so, pers So what would you match this with?

Speaker 8 (01:11:18):
Do you reckon well? I?

Speaker 17 (01:11:21):
In terms of food, you know, this time of year,
we're getting you know, well into that autumn deep autumn.

Speaker 11 (01:11:29):
Winter type fair.

Speaker 17 (01:11:32):
So honestly, if you're having something like a roast leg
of land with lots of rosemary and roast potatoes or
any red meat that's you know, steak, like, keep it
in that rear to medium cooking windows so you've got
a little bit more protein. And what that means for
a wine like this is that those those protein molecules

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and the juice and the meat wrapped themselves.

Speaker 10 (01:12:04):
Around the tannons and the red wine. So it makes
a wine soft, smooth, and more supple. And this is
you know, it's that juicy deliciousness that people look for
with red red meat and red wine pairing.

Speaker 6 (01:12:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
Oh sounds so good, fantastic, Hey, thank you so much, Cameron.
So Cameron's picked for us this week and Esk Valley
Melbock Kevin you seven yard Merlow twenty twenty two from
Hawk's Bay and we'll have all the details up on
the news talks. He'd be website.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
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Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
Rude time Past is our man in the garden. He's
with us this morning, calder.

Speaker 18 (01:12:40):
Rude culer Jack. I loved your intro mate. The way
we are looking after the planets. Oh, you know, all
that sort of stuff, the species that we are, you know,
it's just unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:12:56):
I sometimes thought if all the species on the planet
could talk or think or communicate, how would they look
at Homo sapiens.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Are we are?

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
Well, I don't know. That's the thing that would be
very complimentary somehow. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
So this this is so so, this is the whole thing.

Speaker 18 (01:13:17):
I quite often talk for kids and peaks about it,
about nature literacy and all that stuff, because if you
really study the creatures. Now we're going to be talking
a little bit about fungy today, but anyway, if you
study fungi or bugs or whatever, they run on current sunlight,
not fossil sunlight, and every and everything that they have

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is recycled.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
See that's a I mean, that seems like that's actually
a very good point. Yes, yeah, no one's using and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
They work with you exactly.

Speaker 18 (01:13:54):
And also they work with an ecological system of cooperation,
not competition like all these bloody people in in in
never mind. They operate on diversity too, and they use
local expertise.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, no, yeah, I can see in
the end, sorry.

Speaker 18 (01:14:15):
Yeah yeah, and in the end, of course they use
life friendly chemistry, which I think is nice.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Yeah, yeah, well, this is why we love you. It's
not just going and we give the philosophy we get
sort of we're straying into political areas, which I love
as well, so I'm happy to Yeah, we need.

Speaker 18 (01:14:34):
But we need to really think about the check, you
know exactly what I mean. And seeing you're a dad now,
that is far more prevalent for you right now, you know,
with with with your with your son and as anyway, So.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
In our place, it's been very dry. The sum has
been very dry, but then of course we've obviously had
a lot of rain in the last couple of weeks now,
and I have four dinner plate sized mushrooms growing in
my in the middle of my lawn. They're white, they're
just like dinner plates. Very interesting, and you've got a
whole range that might be growing around the place at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Yes, there is right.

Speaker 18 (01:15:07):
You know, this is actually a fantastic year for mushrooms.
I've noticed that over the last few weeks. But last
week I saw in Amanita muscaria, which is that famous
red mushroom with the white dots. You know, quite a
large thing to see it in the lawns, and I thought,
ships I haven't seen that since well somewhere for a

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long time, and why is it growing in my garden?
And then I looked up and I saw the birch tree,
and I thought, I never I know I had a
bird tree, and I know they're related, but this is
how you get these little so there you go. This
is why that creature is there, That that wonderful red
thing is related to working with beach and some other

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bllets and pieces. It's it's a microizal fungus again that
works with other fungi and other trees, with the birch,
the beach, the pine and all that sort of stuff.
That's exactly what what you say. So that's why I
thought it fitted nicely. And then there are a heck
of a lot of these things, and you probably see

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them on the on the on the website of a
whole lot of different creatures that I call creatures almost
They are funky, but they do a fabulous job of
recycling forests with leaves, branches, everything that's so beautiful. There's
a little picture there of what they what they what
we call the what you call it the bird's nest

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fungus looks like a little bird's nest, sits on a
branch and has little spores in it that look almost
like coins. But it's tiny, tiny, it's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
How big is that? How big is the bird's nest
and a half? Yeah? Right, okay, nothing, they're tiny, right, yeah,
those fungus, those ones, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:17:01):
I always have to tell kids, you know, they look
like an ear, they feel like an ear, they smell
like an ear, and they taste like an ear.

Speaker 8 (01:17:10):
And they'll get.

Speaker 6 (01:17:12):
Hang on.

Speaker 18 (01:17:13):
In the eighteen hundreds, the Chu Chung brothers in Taranaki
were the first people to send container loads of these
ear fungi to China. That was our very first material
that we exported, is the root overseas? Yes it is.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
I had no idea that in the eighteen hundreds, yeah,
early eighteen hundreds. Okay, there you go.

Speaker 19 (01:17:37):
Oh, there you are.

Speaker 18 (01:17:38):
And so you've got fuggie that that bugger your plants,
I know, and your fruits and all this sort of stuff.
But here's the nice one, the last one, the collaborative one,
and it is the stinkhorn fungus with brown material in
that little red stinhorn which is attracts the flies and
they slover it up and take the spores to all
over the forest.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
That is collaboration.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
Thank you RD Photos on the website. News is next
on news Dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
He'd be Saturday mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation
going through the weekend with bpure dot cot in here
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Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
B good morning. If you're just standing on the radio

(01:18:40):
this morning, Jack Tame with you this Saturday through to midday.
I think the best way to describe the kind of
storm of the last few days, or the stormy weather
of the last few days, or the effects of the
stormy weather of the last few days, is that it's
very isolated and regional. So there are some areas that
have seemed like they've been hit quite seriously and have

(01:19:01):
suffered quite a bit of damage. Whether it's in Corimandal
in Northland, parts of Auckland as well, and then other
areas relatively nearby that are just totally fine. It's one
of those kind of weird situations, right. I've just been
looking at some of the social media pictures from a
friend of mine in Auckland who has suffered quite serious
damage to her property overnight and so she didn't notice anything,

(01:19:21):
slept through the entire storm, came downstairs in the morning
and discovered water all throughout the lounge, all throughout the kitchen.
It looks like the water has been about thirty centimeters
high in some parts of her house, like whole couches
have floated across the room. She's got drawers in the
kitchen that are completely full of water now and somehow
managed to sleep through most of the storm, which is

(01:19:43):
remarkable given the latest numbers we have that there were
more than seven hundred and fifty lightning strikes in the
nine last night, fifty miles of rains of five centimeters
of rain fell in about five hours. There were more
than two hundred callouts for emergency services, and there's some
concern amongst city councilors and some leaders in the city
that actually warnings weren't given fast enough in Auckland, even

(01:20:04):
though we've all had warnings over the last few days
as x tropical Cyclone tam has made its way around
the country. The warnings were for a few days ago.
The warnings for the actual lightning and electrical storms last
night in the heavy rainfall didn't really kick off until
I think a lot of people in our biggest city
were already experiencing those storms. So anyway, there's no doubt

(01:20:26):
going to be a bit more of an investigation, a
few more questions about the timing of those warnings and
whether or not more could have been done to prepare people. Hopefully, though,
wherever you're waking up this morning, the damage isn't too
bad and you're managed to to keep your feet relatively
dry for the rest of this Easter weekend. Before midday,
we're going to share with you your book picks for
this week. We've got a brand new book from David

(01:20:46):
Beldharci which sounds fantastic, so I'm going to give you
all the details on that. Plus we're going to share
some music from Beyrout Bay Route would have to be
one of my all time favorite bands. They've got a
really eclctic kind of sound. They get inspiration from all
sorts of kind of different areas, like they've got a
kind of real Eastern European blend. I mean there's a

(01:21:08):
hint in the name of the group, I suppose. So anyway,
they've got a brand new album. We're going to play
you some of that before twelve o'clock and you can
make up your own mind. CEF, I'm on to a
winner or otherwise very shortly right now though it is
ten minutes fast eleven Jack Team and our sustainability commentator
Kate Hall is with us this morning. Calder Kate, what
am I? We are just coming up to, well, the

(01:21:30):
last couple of weeks of April and next month, I
know is food appreciation month. I feel like every month
is food appreciation in my household. But I'm being facetious.
I'm putting a twist on it that isn't supposed to
be there. Really, it's an opportunity to kind of consider
the ways in which we don't use food scraps as

(01:21:52):
well as they could be used. Right, we waste so
much food in New Zealand, and you know, being fortunate
to me in a country with real abundance on that front.
It's such a shame it is.

Speaker 20 (01:22:03):
I mean, I agree every day every month we should
be celebrate celebrate food, but we just I think we're
so blind to how much food we waste because it's
kind of just become the norm. But here's some like
figures that always just blow me away every time I
read them. Were in New Zealand, homes waste over one

(01:22:24):
hundred and fifty seven thousand tons of edible food every year.
So that's not even like you know, your citrus peels
or eggs night.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
I'm not going to say like let's or eat.

Speaker 20 (01:22:37):
Those, but maybe such as pells different recipes with that.
But you know, that's edible food that's enough to feed
everyone in Dunedin for almost three years.

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
That's crazy, and that's like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:22:51):
It's very frustrating, and that's I mean, we can talk
about environmentally how just ridiculous it is that we've made
this food, grown it, produced it amazing, it's been transported
to shelves, we take it home, we forget about it.
The bread goes moldy, the you know, we don't get leftovers,
we go get take out instead. But it's also a
cost thing as well. I think, yeah, this is one

(01:23:12):
of the things that you know, some environmental kind of
actions do take a bit of going out of our
way or maybe spending some more upfront money to do that.
But this, like currently food waste is costing every key
household on average three and twenty six dollars a year.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
So if we were focusing more on that, yeah, yeah,
I mean there's always a good option. It's just focusing
on the money. Even for people who are like, you know,
think that you know, you and I are a bit
woffy when we're having these conversations. No, but I just
focus on the money. Then, like you could save one
three hundred dollars on average. I mean that is there
is a huge sum.

Speaker 20 (01:23:51):
People don't really believe me when I say it, but
if you add it all up, you know, half a
loaf like that letters you forgot about, like you know,
if people go, oh, that's not me, like, you'd be surprised.

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
So in our house, this is one of the reasons
that I do like a food delivery service, just because
I really hate waste and I don't want to like
sometimes plans change and during the week, and you know,
our house is kind of chareoic at the best of times,
and so that's one of the reasons I like having
a food delivery services because you just kind of know, like,
we've got we've got food for us for this number
of meals and this number of lunches, and that's it.

(01:24:26):
We're not going to have excess. But obviously there are
still things like vgps, steams and cores, old bananas, stuff
like that that I think all of us ended up
with from time to time. So what are your tips
on dealing with those sorts of things?

Speaker 8 (01:24:39):
Totally?

Speaker 20 (01:24:39):
So, I think, just like you said, there are main
things like having a meal plan, in a shopping list,
and actually knowing what's in your fridge. So if you
have leftovers, actually labeling it, labeling the date that it
was made, putting that in the fridge, having like a
bin in your fridge that phays eat me first. So
if you're in a household where you know there's multiple people,

(01:25:00):
how do people know what to use and they're just
going to grab something that they want to eat or
they're going to go, oh, it's not here, I'm going
to go out and buy it. So having a bin
that says eat me first, and with veggie peels and
stems and stuff instead of buying stock. Again, this is
a great cost hack. So ends of carrots, I personally
generally eat the whole carrot. But if you have onion peels,

(01:25:23):
just like any bits of vegetables, just put them into
a bag or a container in your freezer and then
when you have some time to make stock, I just
put that with some salt and pepper and any other
kind of herbs they have from the garden and just
boil it up and it makes a great stock that
you can use in cooking and things like that. And

(01:25:43):
same with old banhanas. That I laugh because I once
had a freezer it was basically only old bananas.

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
So yeah, no banana.

Speaker 20 (01:25:54):
Should ever go to waste. We have freezers, we have
muffins to make. Like, yeah, fruit is one of the
main ones that we waste, and so we really don't
need to be wasting it. We can things like our
freezers to store stuff for when we do need it
or even at the moment. You know, people have heaps
of fijos, I think especially after the wind the windiness,

(01:26:20):
and it's just an abundance. So if you you know
rack them in your freezer or if you want to
learn how to preserve them. Then during the months where
it's not fudo a season, you've actually got all this
great stuff to cook with. But there's a lot of info.
Because it is May's Food Appreciation Month. Every bite has
a program that's like everyone's getting involved sharing tips, and

(01:26:43):
you can kind of sign up and really make May. Like,
I know, it's a good it's good to have these
months because even though it kind of sounds explanatory, we
can learn and do these things. It's good to have
a month where you're like, right, I'm actually really going
to get on top of my food waste and I'm
going to implement some of these things.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
So one thing I find is I go through our
cupboard because I mean, this was going to come as
a huge surprise. And I've said this before, but I'm
like quite anal and you know, like I like a
tidy house, tidy mind, and I don't love having food
that's going past it's used by date and all that
kind of thing. So I kind of go through our
pantry once a month or so. How do you manage

(01:27:19):
things in your pantry that are about to be going off?
You know past the use by date sometimes soon do
you have some sort of a system whereby you know
what's going to be going off, so you prioritize eating that.

Speaker 20 (01:27:30):
Yep, different shelves, so different it's where it is in
the fridge. Like it's the whole psychology too of when
you open the fridge, what are you looking at first?
How appealing is it too? You know, like some things
I think, like I reuse a lot of different containers
and all that type of stuff, But I also think,
you know, how am I presenting it to my tired,

(01:27:53):
hungry self? So when I open the fridge, like, what
what does it look like? How can I you know,
remember to eat that? So also knowing that a best
before and a use by a date often like it's
not doesn't mean much. Yeah, and so going with your nose,
going with your you know, just basic knowledge of food

(01:28:15):
safety is really important. Things say are best by date
because they want to say, you know, this will be
the freshest and most delicious before this date, but it
can be perfectly edible afterwards. So yeah, I think working
out a good system, you know, thinking about what works
for your household and how many people are in the
house and talking with everyone too it saying okay, maybe

(01:28:36):
you know food leftovers from dinner, we're going to put
in these red tops containers, and so we know that
if we're gonna you know, put leftovers into that container
after dinner, we're going to actually prepare it and put
you know, all the elements, so it's really easy to
just grab. So yeah, working out what suits you best,
if it's a visual aid or if you're able to, like, yeah,
reculibrate and reorganize your fridge. Just thinking about those systems

(01:29:00):
and using may is that month is really like that's
going to be the money saver.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Fantastic. Yeah, no, I mean that makes a lot of sense.
We'll put all your little tips there up on the
Newstalk's he'db website. I think just being deliberate, he being
purposeful about this. Yes, it kind of makes all the
difference in the long run. Thank you so much, Kate,
stay dry and we will catch again very soon. That
is Kate Haul, our sustainability expert. You can find her
on the social media platforms by searching ethically. Kate our

(01:29:29):
travel expert is taking us all to Vienna in a
couple of minutes. On News talks. He'd be right now.
It is eighteen past eleven Travel.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
With Wendy wo Tours, where the world is yours for now.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
Our travel correspondent is Mike Yardley. He's probably feeling pretty
good this morning. I reckon, Mike, it's only a hunch,
But did you ever think you would see James O'Connor
standing up and slotting a winning penalty to give the
Crusaders a win over the Blues.

Speaker 11 (01:29:53):
We all love James O'Connor to we.

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
Love Jos O'Connor. Do you know I've loved more season.
I've loved more season. He's slotted right, Yeah, yeah, but
it's still it's a funny old world, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:30:04):
You know?

Speaker 11 (01:30:05):
Absolutely? Speaking of funny old will Jack, I'm in the
half big box hesh person at the moment, and it's
like like Friday here. The shopping is just insatiable, Yeah,
pilling out a micor teen and Rebels Sports and Briscoes.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
And oh my goodness, crazy No, I mean ash Vegass.
And I say this as you know, it's someone who's
spent a lot of time in as Vegas over the years,
given my my dad brought up there, My grandparents lived
there and all that. Ash Vegas has had, I reckon
a transformation greater than almost any other New Zealand town
over the last few years. And it's probably well, it's

(01:30:42):
probably as a result of some of the big dairy
conversions and I think some of the some of the
dairy prices as of late been relatively agreeable. So if
there's one sector in our economy that might be doing
okay at the moment, it is probably a sector that's
going to be impacting things on the retail scene in
ashbur So you go, I think for that great sort
of art center and things now too.

Speaker 11 (01:31:05):
I've been hates on a lot of their like civic
amenities the last year. Yeah, it's a really good place
to live.

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
Yeah, I've always loved that part of the world. Oh well,
from ash Vegas to Vienna. Two cultural mecchas this morning
and whilstzing through Vienna. It is one of those places
of the world that is absolutely synonymous with coffee shops.

Speaker 10 (01:31:27):
Right, totally.

Speaker 11 (01:31:28):
Yeah, it's a religion.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Jack.

Speaker 11 (01:31:29):
They've actually got two and a half thousand cafes and
coffee shops in Vienna. It's the old school coffee shops
all marble and velvet that I think really express the
city's soul. So interestingly, the menus they still with about
twenty types of coffee. The top seller in Vienna is
a Millage, which is it's sort of like a cappuccino

(01:31:52):
and it's a espresso with steams froffy milk. Another big
cellar ange Spanner, which is an espresso heaps with whipped cream.
They do love their whipped cream in Vienna. I went
with the super fancy coffee. It's called a fiaca, which
is a large espresso, whipped cream and a shot of
cherry schnaps to put a bit of pep in your step.

Speaker 4 (01:32:17):
Am I run thing in? The Ottoman Turks were kind
of responsible for the cafe culture.

Speaker 11 (01:32:22):
Yeah, very much, Jack. When the Ottoman's unsuccessfully tried to
seize Vienna four hundred years ago, their soldiers inadvertently left
behind their bags of coffee beans on Kallenburg Mountain, which
is just above the city. So that gave rise to
Vienna's cafe society, in fact Europe's. And it's quite interesting
the backstory because the locals who discovered these bags, they

(01:32:46):
thought the beans should be added to super first, they
didn't really know what they held to do with them,
so they pumped some captured Ottoman soldiers for info and
before long, yes, Europe's love affair with coffee was born.

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
Oh fantastic. So beyond coffee, what about good eats and
Vienna's signature tastes.

Speaker 11 (01:33:05):
Yeah, well it's to go past a vena Schnitzel, which
has to be veal to be vena schnitzel.

Speaker 6 (01:33:11):
I discovered.

Speaker 11 (01:33:14):
Rather expensive though that little slice of the calve so
a lot of schnitzel in Vienna is actually pork. And
a great place to go is this restaurant called Fegel Muller.
They actually claim to be the home of the original
vena Schnitzel, but they also do pork schnitzel and the
portion sizes would slayer passing. Texan Schnitzel is served the

(01:33:38):
size of a family pizza and it protrudes over the
side of your dinner plate and it comes with the
side of potato salad, which is really good street food
by the way. Liba casa, which is like a slice
of meat roll served in a crusty bun, and it's
typically a combo of finely chopped pork bacon and beef.
It kind of looks like a pinkish pete. At Christmas

(01:34:02):
time they serve wild boar in these crusty buns, but
definitely get it to teated.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
It is so tasty.

Speaker 11 (01:34:08):
And I was thinking of you, Jack, Sweet Tooth Department.
Apple Strudel obviously is a national obsession. My new found
love in Vienna. Kayser Schmann or Kaiser Schmann, actually Kaiser
Schmann as in the Emperor of the Kaiser. Yeah, it's
a pile of shredded, fluffy pancakes served with stewed plums.

(01:34:29):
I am sold.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
Yeah, so they shred them out, so they like fry
the pancakes and then tread them correct yeow oh great, okay,
and they're still warm, They're not like yeah yeah, oh man, okay, Yeah,
I'm sold. That sounds fantastic. There are a lot of
palaces and follies in Vienna, so what did you fancy?

Speaker 16 (01:34:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:34:49):
They are started with a ridiculous number of royal palaces
like schoon Braun and the Hofburg, which is why many
people called me in a wedding cake city. It's just
got all of these you know, confections architecturally, but I reckon.
One of the best pads is Belvedere Palace. So this
is the Habspurg summer residents, and it's draped in the
most incredibly dreamy gardens, lots of statues, lots of like

(01:35:13):
Greek and Roman mythological statues, amazing fountains, and come the weekend,
it's like half of Vienna flocks there just to hang out.
And inside the palace the big drawer the artwork of
yours Stave Clint Austria's where we had painter and of
course he's the guy behind. Really the only painting the
world comes to see, and that's the kiss.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
Yeah yeah, oh so good. So what about that giant
firece wheel in the end? Did you track it down?

Speaker 6 (01:35:41):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:35:41):
Indeed, Prata Park. I'm always up for cheap drills, as
you know, Jack, and one of the world's oldest amusement parks,
Prata delivers in spades. It's actually been like a nursery
for many fair ground rights, so like it had the
world's first ghost train. But the big boy is that
giant fairest wheel, the Raisin Rudd, which James Bond of

(01:36:03):
Fiscionado's will recognized from the Living Daylight it's the world's
oldest operating, fairest wheel of its size. And I took
a ride up on the Raisin Rudd and it definitely
gives you the best views across vin Vienna's rooftops.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
And who from Clint to another artist to who is
the notable composer whose birthday is being celebrated this year?

Speaker 11 (01:36:25):
Oh my god, they're so excited about this in Vienna.
Johannes Strauss Vienna is celebrating his two hundredth birthday this year.
The king of waltz. Of course, think Blue Danube and
anything waltzy. It's probably Strauss.

Speaker 8 (01:36:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:36:42):
So there's a year long roster of celebration concerts in events,
A lot of them are free, a lot of them
are open air. In Vienna, he was actually the Harry
Styles of his day.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Jack.

Speaker 11 (01:36:53):
It was this wildly idolized pop star of the mid
nineteenth century and Quoite the womanizer. I have to add
historians reckon he was engaged thirteen times.

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
No wow, okay, well that's a life we'll lived for
the sousand peas. Yeah, okay, oh so that's fantastic. Thank
you all of your all of your tips for exploring
Vienna up on the Newstalks 'DB website. You go and
enjoy ash Burton and we will lack at chigg In
very soon.

Speaker 11 (01:37:24):
Thank you very much. Jack, Yeah you too.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
That's Mike Yardly, our travel correspondent. Just coming up to
eleven thirty with Jack Tamee. This is news talk's 'd.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Be getting your weekend started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
News Talks. He'd be just after eleven thirty after midday today,
Jason pine is in for weekend sport. Big weekend to sports.
Starting off Piney with that amazing result for the Crusaders
last night in christ Church. I just love how much
kind of how much these games, these local derbies have
meant to the New Zealand players this year. And it

(01:38:18):
was just so evident all throughout that game, and I
really felt like either team could have taken And of
course I'd love to say I had absolute faith in
the Crusaders, but things to get pretty tight near the end.
They did.

Speaker 19 (01:38:27):
But for a man who has only a ready just
entered this rivalry this season, James O'Connor stepping up call
as a cucumber at the end, he'd kicked a penalty
to make it twenty to wall and then one after
the final hooder to give the Crusaders the one actually
gonna have a answer. James O'Connor on the show this
afternoon after one o'clock. He's going to join us. I
bet he's feeling a million dollars in just everything I've

(01:38:49):
seen from him this year in terms of the media
he's done and just his demeanor. He just seems to
be loving life there.

Speaker 4 (01:38:55):
And he's just a really good value. You know, he's
a seriously good value. And I mean, you know, he wasn't.
He wasn't like a love to hate kind of player,
necessarily for the you know, for the for the New
Zealand right fans when he first broke onto the scene.
But you know, it's just it is funny for you know,
once the shoes on the other foot, and all of
a sudden he's a hometown hero, you know, and maybe
a few years under the belt, you know, on his

(01:39:17):
side of the equation, and yeah, he's I agree, he's
really he's really kind of you know, he's hard not
to love a few Crusaders hand at the very kind
of I can't love the role of god him playing
as well just coming in the last you know, the
kind of last ten or fifteen minutes as a real closer.
It seems to be working for them.

Speaker 19 (01:39:33):
Must be a must be quite an adjustment for him
to make a guy who you know, right throughout his
career would have would have been the starting first five
or whatever position he's played, because he's played a lot
of positions, but normally a starter has I think embraced
this role of coming off the bench and closing out
games in whatever way is required. It must take quite
the adjustment. So you're looking forward to having a chat

(01:39:54):
to James. There was even some some murmurings online last
night about his All Blacks eligibility. His parents are both Kiwis.
He hasn't played for Australia since twenty twenty two, but
I noted that there was someone pointed out they did
play for Australia A in twenty twenty three, so it
couldn't be eligible. It's the three year thing. Look, whether

(01:40:15):
or not it's even a thing, I think he still
harves ambition to play for the Wallabies. James O'Connor, so
looking forward.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
To see he's asking him. That'd be a good option.
Yeah for the Wallabies. Yeah, that'd be great. I'm looking
forward to that. Why aren't you on the show this afternoon.

Speaker 19 (01:40:27):
Jordi Barrett after midday. Haven't had the chance to catch
up with Jordy since he went to Ireland and he
is tearing it up over there, playing really well on
his sabbatical for Leinster. You know, how is it going
for him? Does he feel like he's improved? He said
before he left. The reason I'm going to Ireland is
because I want to come back a bit of player.
So look, let's find out whether he feels that is
the case. And also Rico Yuanni, as we know, is

(01:40:49):
hitting up that way as well next year. I wonder
whether Rico actually, you know, just dropped a WhatsApp message
or something to Jordie to ask him what it was
like up there, got some advice from him, So yeah,
have a chat to Jordi Barrett. Also, the other issue
that has been bubbling around this week is Grace weck
Is eligibility for the Silver Ferns. As we know she's
playing in Australia, therefore not eligible. The board has said,

(01:41:10):
look we'll look at it. Dan Nolin Todo I think
would certainly want them to. She's on the show after
two o'clock as well. Plus we'll cover off other bits
and pieces too. Big show tomorrow as well. With no
ads on the show tomorrow, jams so we can talk
for longer. And there's heaps happening tonight, Warriors, Super Rugby,
couple of big games and Auckland FC could could when

(01:41:31):
the Premier's play tonight and the A League Men's if
they win and the game following them goes the way
they want to, So heaps to cover off.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
How fish because they just few I mean, it's obviously
been a trickier kind of part of the season. They've
had a lot of drawers. I mean not losing games,
but also just you know, just not closing things out
as they might have liked.

Speaker 19 (01:41:51):
My gout feelers they won't win tonight. They're playing Melbourne Victory,
who are a good team, especially at home. I get
the feeling it might be another draw tonight and that
would possibly give them the opportunity to win the Premier's plate.
This is the regular season silverware at home next Sunday
against Perth Glory, which I think would be cool if
we knew that if they win next week they win
the premieres plate. I reckon that packs out go media

(01:42:14):
and creates a really cool occasion. So it's up about
a small part of me hopes they don't secure it
tonight anyways, so we can be the kind of a
case exactly all right, exactly right, So we'll see how
that goes. But we'll cover all that up tomorrow. So
heaps a sport over the weekend, our bit of Formula
one two, Liam Lawson, Look, I don't know where to look, Jack,
this heaps on.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
Yeah, very good, looking forward to it, Thank you sir,
Thank goodness. We don't have ads tomorrow, Pony Jason Vine
with us right after the midday with weekend Sport. Before midday,
we're going to play some new music from Bay Roots.
They've got a brand new album. And next up we've
got your book picks for this weekend, including a fantastic
new read from David Bell Darchie, So we'll tell you
about that. Twenty four to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full show podcast on iHeartRadio,
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Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
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Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
To twelve on News talks 'b SOA Auckland Councilor Shane
Henderson is demanding answers after the storms in Orland overnight.
If you're just turning on the radio, you're in another
part of the country. The big storms and Auckland overnight
electrical storms flooding around the city are more than two
hundred emergency call outs. And it is interesting because obviously
the Met Service has put out various warnings over the

(01:43:20):
last few days for different parts of New Zealand as
a result of ex tropical Cyclone tam and I think
there is a sense this morning from some that all
of those warnings came and that maybe for our biggest
city there nothing kind of came of those warnings, or
at least the weather wasn't too bad. And then perhaps
there weren't that many warnings last night and yet the

(01:43:42):
storm was quite serious anyway. On the Texas Morning Zip,
he says Jack, good morning. I'm sick of people moaning
about the lack of warnings regarding whether events. We have
plenty of warnings all week for goodness sake, check Met Service,
look at the rain radar. Stop waiting to be spoon
fed by the authorities. Be proactive.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
It is tricky, right I mean when it comes to
the met Service and the role of those forecasters, they
want to they want to they want people to know
when there is a risk of a serious weather event.
They don't want to be accused of crying wolf or
anything like that. But it's always imperfect when it comes
to trying to forecast whether and sometimes, as we've learned
in the last couple of years, they can issue warnings

(01:44:19):
and then nothing too serious happens, and then they can
be surprised by a weather event that seems to come
out of the blue. Anyway, ninety two ninety two. If
you want to send us a message this morning, it
is twenty to twelve, which means Catherine Rains, our book reviewer,
standing by with her picks for this weekend. Hey, Catherine,
let's start off with Nine Hidden Lives, written by Robert Gold.

Speaker 21 (01:44:40):
So this story centers on the murder of a journalist,
al Kosher, And she was killed thirty years previously, and
her killer has never been found, and she'd been working
on some cases and exposing some domestic abuse. And so
thirty years later, her doctor, her daughter who's now a
doctor and works as a GP is determined to uncover

(01:45:03):
the truth, and she lists the help of an investigative generalist,
a guy called Ben Harper, and both live in the
town of Hadley, and it's quite packed with secrets. This
town and these residents add a real layer of intrigue,
and some are helpful and some are clearly hiding some things,
and some people.

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
That you just really don't want to meet.

Speaker 21 (01:45:24):
And so after all of these years, she really firmly
believes that someone must know what happened to her mother.
But people have been keeping secrets for so long that
now they'll do whatever they can to keep themselves safe.
And the more the two of them dig, the more
dangerous and threatening things become. And the first half of
the book almost begins quite slowly, and the building of

(01:45:45):
events and the characters and meeting those characters, and when
it all starts to meld together, all of a sudden,
all of the secrets are being revealed, and it's a
very cleverly potted tale as this whole story melds together,
and it's also about a reflection of past events and
the change life brings, and just the way Robert Gould
managed to tie all of their stories together was very

(01:46:07):
well done.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
Nice, okay, cool, and that's Nine Hidden Lives by Robert Gold.
You've also read Strangers in Time by David Balbarci, so
this is a.

Speaker 21 (01:46:15):
Real departure from his previous novels. He's normally more thriller
and set in modern time. And this one revolves around
the London Blitzeres of nineteen forty four, so you have
that backdrop of World War two German aircraft bombing London,
and he paints this picture of these unlikely people getting
together to help each other. And so one of those
characters is Charlie Matters, and he lives with his grandmother

(01:46:37):
and following the deaths of his parents, and so that
in this one room apartment without much food to survive,
Charlie's dropped out of school and he's stealing what he
can and he works jobs for a few shillings. And
then he's Molly Wakefield, who has been raised completely differently
in luxury, and she's returned from the countryside where her
parents had sent her years before. And when she returns home,

(01:46:58):
she finds only her nanny and no one really seems
to know where her parents are, and so they end
up meeting each other. These two teens are thrown together
with another person, a bookstore owner called Ignatis ov Oliver
who's grieving the loss of his wife, and they all
need to help each other, but they suspect each other
of different things. And with these bombs raining down night

(01:47:21):
after night, it's not just about the war. They have
an adventure and there's mystery and heartbreak and how these
people from incredibly different backgrounds and this unadventable hardship that
they're going through and that loss and the tragedy can
help each other. And Baldoucci is particularly good at creating
really good characters that are complex and vulnerable but at
the same time unraveling their secrets to the reader. And

(01:47:42):
it's just it was brilliant storytelling and it's well worth
a read, so good.

Speaker 4 (01:47:47):
Thank you. That's Strangers in Time by David Baldachi, Catherine's
first Pick nine Hidden Lives by Robert Gold and all
the details with both of those books will of course
be on the news talk z'db website right now. It
is called a twelve Bay Route for.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
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Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
This is Grek's Unicorn. It's by Beirute. The new album
is a study of losses and a stell Cliffe has
been listening high Estelle.

Speaker 22 (01:48:41):
Well, one out of the bag.

Speaker 4 (01:48:44):
For you, right, I'm just worried that it's going to
be a really bad album and then everyone's gonna go, oh,
it's so Morland's so boring.

Speaker 22 (01:48:52):
Okay, So that actually get as Unicorn is one of
my favorite. It starts with that synth rhythm and it
sets it up and it's kind of off key.

Speaker 4 (01:49:01):
A little bit. Yeah, you're like, what am I falling into?

Speaker 22 (01:49:04):
I actually listened to this entire album, not really having
too much background on beow Route, not knowing the style,
not knowing that it was actually composed for a circus,
and I was on a trip thinking what what is
happening here? The thing to know about them is that
they already had the style of music minus then being

(01:49:25):
asked to write for a circus.

Speaker 13 (01:49:27):
So I love that their style.

Speaker 22 (01:49:30):
Has kind of grown and developed into something where someone's like,
we can make a whole a whole show with this
kind of soundtrack. That's amazing, isn't it? To love music
so much that you also then find because there's sort
of this American pop thing behind it too, like that
old school like you'd expect Elvis to kind of be

(01:49:51):
there or something like this all American kind of sound
to it. You know, there's that quality behind it, and
I guess that's once they start bringing in synth and
keyboard and those kind of sounds. But then suddenly you're
like what is that. You're like, it's a melodica, yeah,
you know, like the mouth organ thing, and you're like
it's bizarre.

Speaker 20 (01:50:07):
Or then they'll be alock a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:50:08):
Like squeeze box accordions and that kind of thing that
get checked down still yeah, yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:50:14):
Yeah, where actually usually it sits on its own in
some sort of folky band, but here it's actually getting
used and kind of like I mean, most of their
albums they've had sort of modern releases of what they're releasing,
and I think that there's kind of like these weird
like like that one, where it's got that weird happiness
about it, but it's also a bit off key because
it's in that minor tone and you're like, this is

(01:50:34):
there's so many layers and so much I'm thank you,
hey Jack, thanks for finding you know me, I tell
you what finger of the when it comes to this stuff,
this is really clever.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
I I love all these.

Speaker 22 (01:50:50):
Instruments that I would not have thought to put in
sort of a slight modern music kind of context. And
there's and I imagine that their live shows would be
absolutely insane because sometimes they could be full orchestral or
just really weird instruments on stage where you get this
real schooling of what the heck is going on here?
And also that he so Zach Condon is the guy.

(01:51:11):
It actually started as a solo project for him, and
I dare say he's one of those people who can
pick up any form of instrument and he'll find his
way around it. So really clever, really embracing that choir
renaissance sort of music and then finding this modern kind
of twist on it. His version for taking this on

(01:51:31):
board with the Circus because it's about loss, all versions
of loss. But he was like, imagine if there was
a man who was so obsessed with the things we
lost on Earth that he collected them and put them
on the moon. So that's kind of a deep layer
of this album that all our losses are getting taken
by someone and he's so fixated on them he's putting
them somewhere else, which I guess then buys into the

(01:51:54):
performance of the circus kind of stuff. So a lot
of the songs are around the solar system and names
that kind of go along with that, which then ties
into I guess eventually what the circus are. I'm fascinated
to see what the circus would be. If we could
see that as well, that would be wonderful. If anyone
wants to send us to the circus, you know, then
that would be would I'd give you more points for

(01:52:16):
your album? It is it is just about it either
like it's so melodic and so ah yeah, just the
instruments and voices that come. It's not it's not a
forced sound. It's like this real unusual blending of things
and it's quite acrobatic, and it's in its style, which
kind of again suits I'm like, yeah, this is amazing

(01:52:36):
that he's finally been brought in to make a soundtrack
to something.

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
Yeah, it's weird. It's weird, but I mean, is it telling.

Speaker 22 (01:52:43):
About you that you are the one that's then found
us this music?

Speaker 4 (01:52:46):
Yeah, it probably is you want to run away with.

Speaker 22 (01:52:49):
A circus check like it's I would run away with
the circus with this, It's it's haunting and beautiful. He
also loves ukulele, So there's some pacifica sort of sounds
that come in through some of the music too, So
you're kind of going to get a lot. There's a
lot to unpecking here.

Speaker 6 (01:53:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:53:07):
Yeah, and it might mean you might go backwards too
in some of their catalog, which is great keeping in
mind that some of the earlier stuff didn't have that
sort of American pop synth based to it, Yeah, but
still had a lot of this world folk music thing
going on too. So yeah, God, he's really embraced all
of all what he could do.

Speaker 5 (01:53:24):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
I'm so pleased. I'm so this is the one time
in my life that I could feel like I can
can contribute to introducing you to something. You know, Look,
you gave me this moment. Yeah, Now I kind of
know where you've been at.

Speaker 22 (01:53:38):
You like, if you're starting to pick up the flugelhorn
or something different, then you just please can you We
will like to know your progression with any of these
unusual instruments.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
So good So what did you give it? The Study
of Losses by Beaute.

Speaker 22 (01:53:51):
Yeah, I'm giving an eight out of ten, but I
think of it was pitched with the circus, I might
give it a ten out of ten.

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
Okay, okay, I saw the visual too. Yeah, yeah, so good.
All right, we'll have a bit more of a than
a few minutes. Hey, thank you so much. Good on
you for digging it out as well. Love it astaf well.
Mistelle Cliffin is our music reviewer. There A Study of
Losses is Bayroots new album right now, it's eight to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
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the Crusader's victory over the blues and christ Church last night.

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producer Libby for doing all the difficult stuff for me
this week. I'm back with you next Saturday morning from
nine o'clock. Until then, We're going to leave you with Bearoot.
Their new album is a study of losses. This song

(01:55:06):
is called Forest Encyclopedia Sea Zone.

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