Full Show Podcast: 21 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
More in a caldon New Zeeland. Good morning and welcome
to Newstalk ZEDB. I'm Jack Tame with you through to midday.
I reckon. There is no song, not a single song,
that sums up the glory that was the late nineteen
nineties quite like it. It was a global smash. It
has been streamed about a gazillion times on all of

(01:06):
the streaming platforms, and the man who wrote it is
going to be with us after ten o'clock this morning.
All I'm going to say is this Save Tonight, and
I just know that they's going to be stuck in
your head already. Fad the break I've done. Igilai Cherry
is making his way to New Zealand, and it's pretty crazy.
He's never actually been to New Zealand before. So even

(01:27):
though that song Save Tonight was voted Song of the
Year in New Zealand in nineteen ninety seven, he never
made it down Under at the time. Now he is,
he is fixing that he's headed to our shores and
he's our feature interview after ten o'clock this morning. I'm
going to ask him how save tonight and fight the
break of dawn ultimately changed the course of his life.

(01:49):
As well as that it is asparagus season. Finally a
delicious asparagus keish recipe to share with you before ten
o'clock this morning, and then after ten we're going to
tell you about the extreme new measures that the big
tech companies are bringing in in the US to try
and get on top of the AI surge. So artificial
intelligence requires ridiculous amounts of electricity. How do you provide

(02:12):
ridiculous amounts of electricity three mile Island? I'll tell you
about that more shortly. Right now, it's eight minutes past nine.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Jack team.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
So off the top of your head, where do you
reckon the Wallabies currently sit in the world rankings. Sure,
they're behind US, Okay, they're behind South Africa obviously, but
they are also languishing behind Scotland. They're languishing behind Italy.
Would you believe Yeah? According to World Rugby, the Wallabies
of September twenty twenty four are the ninth best national

(02:43):
team in men's rugby. They only just squeak in ahead
of Fiji. And it's funny because you know, when I
was a kid, the Blederslow felt like the biggest thing
in rugby outside of a World Cup. Now it probably wasn't.
It was probably me being an excitable kid and thinking,
oh New Zealand versus Australia, blah blah blah. Tests with
South Africa were at least comparable, and Lie tours had

(03:07):
that special prestige. But I would get so worked up
for Blederslow's because they always felt like any team could win.
I still remember epic Blederslow clashes, the John Eels era,
George Gregan and that tackle, you know, Jeff Wilson spilling
the ball as he dived for the line. The Wallaby's

(03:28):
just holding on for Blederslow glory. But what happened. New
Zealand rugby has had its issue, World rugby has had
its issues, but arguably no country that plays rugby has
experienced anything like the decline that Australia has experienced over
the last twenty or twenty five years. Those epic Bledislow

(03:49):
clashes of the past are very much of the past.
It's twenty two years since Australia last held the bleders Low.
We now have an elected member of Parliament in New
Zealand who has never seen a Wallaby's team win it.
And get this, accord Ing to the Australian Sports Commission,
rugby is now Australia's ninth most popular sport by participation.

(04:13):
Ossie rules has four times as many kids who play
basketball is five times as popular as rugby by participation.
But not only that, Rugby loses out to badminton in
terms of participation, Rugby loses out to rock climbing in
terms of regular participation. There are lots of things that

(04:35):
have probably contributed to it, right I always reckon The
private school rugby culture in Australia has probably isolated the
sport from a big slab of the population. Concern overhead
knocks will have impacted participation. The domestic rugby competition was
hollowed out and ultimately scrapped, which means that the super
rugby teams are now the only real professional options for

(04:57):
young rugby players. And get this. The AFL has eighteen teams,
the NRL has sixteen Australian teams plus the Warriors. They'll
have that team in Papu and you any soon too,
Super Rugby will now have just four Australian teams, so
no domestic competition and just four teams and Super Rugby.
And you know, maybe fewer teams is good, maybe it's bad.

(05:18):
I just think it's I think it's telling that a
city of five million people couldn't sustain a side. How
many people in Melbourne didn't even know that the Melbourne
Rebels were a thing. And you've got to say that
as a TV entertainment product. Sorry, but the Brumbies versus
the Force rarely compares to the thrill of the NRL. Now,

(05:41):
all of this is not to diminish this evening's game.
I'm excited, of course I am, and I'm certainly not
hoping for a Wallaby's win. But ultimately it is in
our interest for Australian rugby to somehow work its way
back into something akin to the force of the past.
New Zealand rugby needs much, much stronger competition from across

(06:03):
the ditch. We need the specter of potential losing the
blederslow and look, maybe I will eat my words. Maybe
I will be blushing come this time tomorrow, But as
much as I will enjoy the game this evening, right now,
it doesn't feel like all that much of a contest.
Jack Team, let me know your thoughts ninety two ninety two.

(06:25):
I feel like that was really dangerous. When I wrote
that this morning, I was like, nah, you know where
we are.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Good.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
We're heading into this as the favorites. But now I'm like, oh,
I'm really I've really teed that up for an embarrassing result.
Five point forty five to night. Of course, we're gonna
have the call live for you from Sydney as the
Wallabies take on the All Backs. We'll catch up with
our sport. I'll get his thoughts on that very soon.
Next up, though, Kevin Milon will get us underway for
our Saturday morning. It's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame.

(06:50):
This is news Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
No bit of way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
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Speaker 2 (07:01):
Thank you for your text. Jack, Money, money, money, It
all comes down to money, money. Let Rugby League also
so has head knocks, but it also has money, this
says Been. Yeah, that's true. It's interesting. I mean AFL
also has has head knocks. I do think the marketing
around NRL, and certainly like the TV spectacle of NRL,

(07:22):
has kind of left Rugby in the dust over the
last few years. And honestly even the TV spectacle for
AFL seems to do pretty well. But thank you for that,
Ben Jack. I yearned for the days of David Campese
and his goose steps is Roy. Yeah, I'm not sure
I necessarily yearned to see the all Backs Ben goose step,
but you're right that was a golden era literally for

(07:43):
the Wallabies, Pauline Jack. It's just like the Ranfilly shield.
I suppose the Bledderslow used to be so prominent, but
life used to see. Life used to stop on a
Saturday just for the Rnfilly Shield. Yeah, things do change
over time. I suppose ninety two ninety two. If you
want to send us a message, don't forget that. If
you're sending us a standard text costs, supply you can
email me as well. If you've got something longer to say,

(08:03):
seventeen past nine, Kevin Milne is we us this morning,
Gildi Kevin.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
Morning Jack. It's a very interesting the sole thing about
the rugby versus league thing. I don't know whether you
watched the Cowboys Shirts match last night, the quarterfinal.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
No, no, I didn't last night. I saw the result.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah, you mentioned the TV spectacle of ben RL last night.
There were two penalties two in the entire game.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I mean, I love rugby, I really and I played
rugby until I was eighteen, you know, I was I
was a keen. I's not very talented rugby player, but
I watched rugby games and the refereel make a call
at the breakdown and I literally don't understand it. Does
something happened there like that? And so yeah, I mean

(08:53):
that the simplicity with you know, with some of the
you know, with rugby league sometimes I think, I think
probably plays a role. But look, there are myriad factors
that I think, you know, you know, rugby in New
Zealand has had its share of challenges. But when you
think about the place that rugby held in Australia and
the strength of Australian rugby at the turn of the century,
like the year two thousand or the nineties versus today.

(09:17):
I mean they're just their poll polls apart. So is
something big has happened there and it's going to take
a lot to turn it around anyway, Kevin, you've been
thinking about the proposal to introduce tipping in New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
Yeah, tipping quite understandably the hospo industries coming up with
ideas the boost profitability the tipping ideas from a prominent
industry player restaurant to Luke Dello, his idea appears to
be a two prong attack. First, you reduce the menu

(09:49):
price of your food to attract more customers, and that
seems to me a risky proposition actually reducing the price
of your meals, given that most restaurants cafes would probably
say that their prices are already as well as they
can set them. But putting that aside, yep, drop your
prices and more customers are walking. But how many more

(10:11):
is the issue? And that leads to the other prong,
the tricky one. Will Kiwi customers tip on a regular
basis to make up for the cheaper meals? I guess
the idea is if customers regularly tip your waitings, you
don't have to pay them so much. But I see
a poll in the Herald since the story broke yesterday

(10:32):
has resulted in a resounding no to tipping. I'm wondering
why Luke thinks most of us are ready to tip,
whereas we haven't done the bars. I mean, have we
become more sophisticated diners who want to reward great food
and excellent service. Well, yes, I think there's been some change,
but most customers on a regular basis, I don't think

(10:56):
so that it surprised me. Does Luke think New Zealand
diners are concerned enough about the plight of the hospital industry,
you know, the closures that the people going bankrupt the tip?
Would they tip to help bail the industry out? Again?
I think some might. Personally, I'd rather see the cost

(11:18):
of a meal go up to reflect a fair price
in a fair way. That seems a simpler and more
transparent solution. Same applies actually to a cup of coffee.
If the cost of a cup has to go up
to pay a decent wage to the person making it
for you, then so be it. But I'm going to
bring you in Jack, because maybe I'm just a boomer

(11:40):
who's never adjusted to tipping. Are you guys, Are you
young guys more likely to give dipping a crack?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I went to dinner last night, Kevin. It was the
first time I'd been to dinner in a restaurant in
probably a month. My wife has a best friend in town.
Off we went, had a very lovely dinner, and when
I paid the bill, I also tipped. Now, it's not
something that I do regularly, but I think part of

(12:08):
it for me last night, and I didn't feel I
didn't feel an obligation like I didn't feel the weight
of I didn't feel pressured to do it right. But
I did think last night I am so aware of
hospwa businesses going out of business at the moment, and
it feels like the real survive to twenty five thing
is so present that I just wanted to do something

(12:29):
a little bit extra because I thought, you know what,
we had a delicious meal, It was a great experience,
the service was fantastic, and I just thought, if this
is something small that I can do that makes it
just a tiny bit more likely that this restaurant is
going to be here come this time next year, I
want to do it because I want to make sure
that when my sister's, when my wife's friends in towning
next time, I want to make sure that we can

(12:51):
go out to dinner once again, you know, and so
and I can recognize that I'm probably pretty fortunate in that,
you know, I had the means to be able to
do that. But also if I compare the number of
times that I'm going out to dinner today compared with
couple of years ago, it's much much less frequent. You know,
these are tier times, right, and you know, and I'm

(13:13):
not spending nearly as much money as I would have
once upon a time at restaurants. And so, going last night,
I thought, you know what, if this makes a tiny difference,
it was me fifteen percent or something wasn't it was
a huge sum. But I thought, you know what, if
this increases the likelihood they're going to be here in
a year, then I'll do it. But I reckon the
obligatory sense is never going to be picked up by kewis.

(13:33):
I don't think we're either going to feel like a
true obligation, you know, you know, like it like in
America or something like that. Don't you reckon?

Speaker 5 (13:40):
Yeah, do you agree with me that if if they
can't run the restaurant on the current prices. I think
it'd be better if they put out the price of
the meal.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, but I suppose that the danger of that is
that they then go out of business.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
I mean, look, yeah, well that's right.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Luke Dello's Luke Dello is an
astute businessman to say the least. So if he reckons
that this is a way to help restaurants limp through
to you know, slightly, you know, slightly wealthier times, then
you know, if that works, then great, because you know,
I think it'll be a real shame, you know, if

(14:15):
we get to if we if we get to the
other side of this economic downturn, and you know, we've
barely got any good hospital spots left because they've all
been they've all been forced to shutter.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, good point. That's very good point.
I'm surprised you don't go out to eat more often.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
To be sure.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I mean, you know, I'm like I say, I'm fortunately,
I've got a couple of jobs. But you know that
I think I think everyone is feeling a squeeze to
a certain extent at the moment. So yeah, yeah, you know,
You're just going to be thoughtful about these things. But
like I say, when I do, I want to make
sure that I do what I can to, you know,
help that restaurant be up and running and thriving in

(14:54):
twelve months time. Thank you very much for that, Kevin.
Then thank you for your feedback. Heaps and heaps of
text coming through jack Good morning. New Zealand rugby has
been drawn into Ossie code wars and is suffering. Super
Ugby is destroying our grass rugby in my opinion, and
as far as I'm concerned, we'd be better off ending
our association with Australian Rugby so as to protect New
Zealand grassroots rugby. Interesting Jin says or Gwinn says Jackie.

(15:20):
Back in two thousand, I got the job of going
to Vanawatu for a week. I flew up to talking
to Port Veda, was picked up by an expat Ossie
taken to their house just in time to watch the
second half of the final Bleders Low. Obviously there was
a bit of rugby banter with the other ossies that
were also present, but I will never ever forget John
Eel's last minute long range kick that sealed in the
winn and ultimately the cup. It was gutting at the time,

(15:41):
but what a memory. It's amazing, Gay, how you can
remember we you were for a moment like that and
for a game like that. That is Yeah, that's really special.
What do they call John Eels? Nobody? That was his nickname, right,
because nobody's perfect so good? Ninety two ninety two is
the text number. We'll get our Sportos thoughts on this
Evening's bleders Low and he joins us live from Sydney.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
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Speaker 1 (16:09):
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(17:18):
see your health professional. Jack Team, thank you for your
feed back, Jack, I just about drove off the road
this morning. You played rugby and you were talented. Come on,
says Muzz. Muzz. I'm pleased to report you misheard me.
I played rugby. Yes, I said I was not talented.
In fact, any of my rugby success could basically be
chalked up to being the kid who always said thanks

(17:39):
to the coach at the end of practice. All well,
no skill. I think they say, time to catch up
with our sport. O. Andrew Saville is in Sydney for
the Bledders Lower this evening, yelder.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
Shelder Jack, Yes, I have this image of you as
a flying stick on the wing at Hagley Park on
most frosty mornings.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
I don't think I had the fast twitch muscles to
be on the wing unfortunately. Now I was a rangy
number six, and like I said, not a very successful one.
I tried hard, but.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
Shutting down those tight channels they're good.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, yeah, something like that. Yeah, there's a reason I decided,
at whatever it was seventeen or eighteen that perhaps, you know,
a professional rugby career was not likely to be in
my future. But never mind. Hey, you know I started
off the show being a bit doom and gloom about
the state of Australian rugby. But I suppose if you
are to look at the results of the last few weeks,

(18:36):
even though they were absolutely tranced in Buenos Aires by Argentina,
they also had that pretty strong performance against the Argentine
so all is not lost. But certainly the Aussies and
the bleeders Low aren't necessarily at the place they once were.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
Twenty No, and I think you mentioned there were ranking
what is it night moment which is just for just incredible.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
I mean, I looked up the participation sport participation for
young people in Australia, and of course the Australians, you know,
they have this amazing like sport infrastructure, government sport infrastructure,
you know, helping sport because it plays such a prominent role.
So badminton and rock climbing are more popular by participation
against than rugby these days.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
The thing that we should be concerned about on your
side of the Tasman, if we look down at Ozzie
Rugby or look at those figures and have a little
bit of a chuckle, you shouldn't because the same thing's
happening in New Zealand. Sports like volleyball, badminton, Basketball is
obviously booming. Football is always strong, as is netball, but
sports like badminton and volleyball I know for a fact

(19:40):
in Auckland, like basketball, there's just no court space. They're
running out of courts due to the huge demand, and
sports like rugby are suffering because of that or losing
numbers because of that, especially big kids playing basketball. And
I think that's going to have an effect somewhere down
the line for rugby. Was that a lunch and yesterday
jacks in the middle of Sydney with such well known

(20:06):
names as Andrew Merton stealing Mortlocke, George Gregan, Matt getto
Martin and who was there as well, and you just
got the impression in that room that maybe things are
starting to turn. Phil war is the new Ish Ossie
Rugby CEO, very good business brain and background. Joe Roff
is the president of Ozzie Rugby again, former player Dunwell

(20:28):
in business. There's a lot of former players in there
in that room have retired and done very well for themselves.
They are desperate to turn around Ozzie Rugby. The union
O's still owes quite a bit of money, but they've
got the lines coming, They've got the World Cup for
men and women coming, so they can see light at
the end of the tunnel. They've got Joe Schmidt at

(20:49):
the helm of the Wallabies for at least another year.
It's not a quick fix. I don't know if even
Joe Schmidt, who's an outstanding coach, will beat the All
Blacks this afternoon. But I think there are signs that somewhere, somehow,
the the shoots are starting to grow again for Australian rugby,

(21:10):
which is great for New zeal Yeah, we need we
need a strong super rugby competition. We need a strong
Wallaby side. Two competitents.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Absolutely, black Caps under underway with Sri Lanka and I
mean we had that narrow first innings lead, but you
would have to say the day yesterday was it Day two,
Day three of the Test was very much Sri Lanka.
So they currently lead by two hundred and two runs
in their second innings, six wickets still in hand. So yeah,

(21:38):
it was kind of kind of an even contest so far,
but they've probably got their noser heads of the time.

Speaker 6 (21:44):
Yeah, tricky conditions. It's hope the weather holds break the
say willow raup this young scream bowl. That's fast ball
attacks and wickets on wickets that are normally are pictures
that are normally they normally take spin. You know, Tim
Trent Bolt's gone, Tim Sourdy not too much longer, i'd
say in the black Cats team. So we need these
you young fastballers to come through. And he's done very

(22:06):
real well, so promising via Jack. Just back to Sydney. Look,
it's going to be a stunning day again today Sonny,
three forty five kickoffs at five forty five your time.
So the game will be hard and the track will
be hard. And fast and the game will be open.
I think so looking forward to that.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, you can't wait. News Talks here, but of course
we'll have the call for you live this evening five
forty five. Thank you very much, sir Andrewsavlasporto live from
Sydney this morning. Thank you very much for your text.
We've had so many about tipping as well this morning.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
It's simple tipping. Increasing tipping in New Zealand will crash
wages and wages are important to consistency. Jack. When it
comes to tipping, menu price is about meal and venue quality.
Tipping is about your service, service to the table, and
I will often slip my server a ten or twenty
dollars note subject to the length of time, the quality

(22:57):
and enjoyment of table service. I understand tipping at the till,
says Nigel, but I'm not a big fan. That's interesting
the difference between you know, like tip a server as
a tipping them as an individual, rather than when you
go and pay the bill. It's probably a few tax
implications on that one as well. But thank you very much, Nigel.
Twenty five to ten on News Talks. He'd be if

(23:17):
you looking for a good movie pick, our reviewer has
two fantastic recommendations for us. Next New Talk said you

(23:40):
were jactaming this Saturday morning. There was so much new
music released this week. So this is snow Patrol, the
first music that Snow Patrol has released in six years.
We've got a new album called The Forest is the Path,
and that's the lead single from the album. But fourteen o'clock,
don't forget, We've got this asparagus keish recipe for you.
I think the price of sparagus is just becoming late.

(24:02):
It's you know, maybe maybe not yet maybe making a
call between going to a restaurant and tipping and buying asparagus,
but I think it's maybe getting attainable now. So yeah,
given it's delicious and kind of at its delicious best
come springtime. We're going to share that recipe with you
very shortly. Right now, though, it is time to get
your film picks for this week, and Francesca rd Can,

(24:23):
our film reviewer, is here with us this morning.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Killed her. Good morning.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Okay, let's start off with a little bit of a
listen to a film showing and cinemas at the moment.
This is Thelma.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Hello, Gay, you sound so strange. I'm in jail.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Oh my god, now ten thousand dollars to this address.
Ten there's ninety three year old Thelma post tell us
about Thelma Francesca.

Speaker 7 (24:54):
Thelma is paid by ninety four year old June Flip
and she is just absolutely fabulous in this film. This
is a very wholesome comedy that reminds us not to
underestimate old p And this is actually her first starring role.
Juane Squad will be a very familiar face to people
if you know, they if they saw a photo the
she's been in Nebraska, about Schmidt, the Human's The Age

(25:17):
of Innocence, Far from Heaven, Meet Joe Black Inside Out.
She's done a lot of things, but this is the
first time that she's had a starring role. And I
can't imagine anybody else in this role. This is a
pretty sweet, sentimental comedy. It's from writer Josh Marigolin and
he was inspired by his own grandmother. And Thelma is
still living alone. There's quite a conversation going on within

(25:39):
her family as to whether, you know, she should be
on her own and looking after her, and she is
looked after by her twenty four year old slacker grandson
who has some confidence issues and overbearing parents who have
kind of stunted his growth. Anyway, she gets scammed out
of ten thousand dollars and the police is sort of.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
You know, I can't really do it.

Speaker 7 (25:56):
I don't really do anything about it, so she decides
to actually do something about it. So this is an
action film with old people, so it just moves at
a slower pace, at a ninety four year old's pace,
and it's really clear what they've done. They're kind of
there's moments where she's off to try and try and
solve this crime. So she visits one friend to get
his mobility scooter. Then she visits another friend to steal

(26:18):
their gun, and there's scenes where she rolls across a
bed and stands up and finds the gun on top
of it, on top of a cupboard, and they use
sort of traditional sort of mission impossible action spy music
behind it all. So they're having a great fun just
sort of poking the mickey a little bit at the
genre while also just having a lot of fun imagining
a different kind of person in these roles. Look, it's

(26:42):
not groundbreaking, it's just a really charming, pleasant sort of
three out of five Sunday afternoon pleaser, but really during
the squib is just fabulously nice.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Okay, yeah, yeah, that sounds great. So that's Thelma that's
showing in cinemas at the moment. You've also seen Marguerite's Theorem.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yes, Now.

Speaker 7 (27:00):
I spoke about this much earlier in the year because
it screened at the French Film Festival and it was
one of my favorite films, and I got a lot
of feedback from people who went to the festival and
they agreed with me that they'd really enjoyed Marguerite as well.
This has just been re released, so it is now
in cinemas anyone, you know, you can go and see it,
and I do think it is worth catching. Marguerite is

(27:26):
a brilliant young mathematician. She has been her whole life
sort of studying for her thesis, and her world crumbles
when a new student arrives at her university and finds
a flaw in the thesis, and her whole world falls
apart because it has her whole entire world has been
built around mathematics. She's deemed overly emotional by her professor,
so she abruptly quits university. And then finds herself in

(27:49):
the real world, which she is not really equipped to
deal with. So she, you know, for the first time
in her life, she finds herself sort of at a job.
She gets a job in a shoe shop, and she
has no idea how to interact with humans, let alone
communicate with them. So it's very fun watching her kind
of just find her way in the world. She's just
got this really adrawab naivety and her addiction to logic

(28:10):
is really amusing. But this big, beautiful brain she has
in negative book brings her back to mathematics, but she
has sort of this whole new perspective on what it
means to be human in life. And it's just this
really gorgeous, slightly different coming of age story, and it's
really hard not to fall in love with Margarite as
a character played by Alarump, who won numerous awards for

(28:30):
this role. So that is back in cinema's well worth.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Catching very good.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Okay, cool, thank you. So that's Marguerite's theorem. Fancaisca's first
film was Filma. Both of them sound like great little films,
like really enjoyable little weekend options. So we'll have all
of the details for those up on the news talks
he'd be website Jack, you seem to think that tipping
would be a short to medium term option just to
get restaurants through to better times. How come I think

(28:56):
that once it's in, it'll be here permanently to stay
after everything sneaks up in price, says Craig Morden and Jack.
Having returned from a trip to the US two weeks,
I can honestly say that it was a relief to
leave the tipping culture behind. Tipping has got absolutely out
of control in the States, with places such as Starbucks
fast food restaurants where you have to line up and

(29:17):
order expecting you to add a tip to the bill.
It was so nice coming back to New Zealand and
having the price that you see on the men. You
be the price that you pay with no extra expectations.
I agree with that. I mean, in the US it
is just crazy, right, And now they've got this whole thing,
like both Trump and Karmel are promising no tax on tips.
It's become a whole campaign issue. But it is crazy

(29:38):
when you go to you know, you go to Starbucks
and you just buy something from the person behind the counter,
and they're expecting you to add another fifteen twenty twenty
five percent sometimes on top of the bill. Regarding rugby, Jack,
I'm a long suffering Wallaby's tragic who is genuinely battling
with how I would cope with the inevitable pasting we
will get from the All Backs today, so much so

(29:59):
that I decided not to watch.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Then.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
However, my good mate and staunch All Back supporter said
he's been kicked out of the lounge for his his sleepover.
Can he please come around and watch the game? Shoot
me now, says Mark. Oh, come on, Mark, you never know,
you never know our sport. I reckons that things are
turning around, at least at an organizational level in Australian rugby,
so you know we could have a surprise result on
the cards when the All Blacks and the Wallabies tee

(30:24):
off at five point forty five this evening. In a
couple of minutes. We've got that asparagus keish recipe for
you right now. It is called at a tenure with
Jack Tame.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
This is news Dog's EDB Saturday Mornings with Jack Day,
keeping the conversation going through the weekend with bpure dot
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EDB so chopped.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Cho so Eglai Cherry is going to be with us
after ten o'clock this morning. It save tonight probably one
of the all time single smashes. Although he's never been
to New Zealand, which is intriguing. So he's coming to
New Zealand for the first time. He's going to be
talking with us after ten. But anyway, I was looking
to his background and I had not appreciated a couple

(31:05):
of things about it.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Gli Cherry.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
So, first of all, Eager Eye is his real name,
and I thought that's an unusual name. But of course
he is of chop Tow descent. Not only that, his
family is super super interesting. So even though he was
born and raised in Sweden, still lives in Sweden now.
He is the son of American jazz musician Don Cherry

(31:27):
and all of his siblings basically all of his siblings
are incredibly talented musicians. So Nina, his half sister, is
a really successful Swedish musician, his sister Jan is a violinist.
His brother David is a jazz musician. So anyway, he
grew up in this crazy kind of jazz environment. His

(31:51):
dad was touring Europe. He went round and met like
all of the most famous jazz musicians ever. So anyway,
I'm gonna ask him a little bit about how his
his upbringing and being surrounded by so much jazz and
so many big names and jazz came to effect his
true projectory in life. When he joins us half to
ten sore really looking forward to eagle eye cherry with us.
Surely right now there was time to catch up with

(32:12):
our cook, Nikki Wicks for this week's delicious recipe, Kilder.
Yeah to Maria Jack Well, given it it is, basically,
by anyone's measure, the start of spring. You are talking
asparagus this morning.

Speaker 8 (32:27):
I am, and I've been waiting and waiting and waiting
for asparagus to come down in price and up and flavor,
and those two magical things have happened just this week.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I feel.

Speaker 8 (32:38):
I hope it's the same for everyone across the country.
But I love the first spears of asparagus appearing, unfortunately
not in my garden because I've never given it a crack,
but certainly on the shelves and the super Yeah, you
are asparagus fan, Are you ambivalent?

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Do you know?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
I it's funny, you know, when I think about the
food memories of my life. I never liked asparagus as
a kid until I had it fried in butter for
the first time, and I realized that, actually, no matter
what you're eating, if it's fried in butter, it is delicious.
And so as my as my palette has evolved, I've
become much more of an asparagus fan. And this recipe,

(33:18):
I certainly think, is a bit of meat.

Speaker 8 (33:21):
You look asparagus keich, I mean, asparagus and eggs are
kind of great friends. And you'll often have a sort
of eggs beanie maybe, or a sort of softly poached
egg with some spears of asparagus that you kind of
dip into. That's not really my stick because I like
my eggs pretty well cooked. But this keish is just beautiful.
I've also thrown some smoked salmon and there you don't

(33:43):
need to necessarily, but here we go, and I've got
a couple of little tricks for those of you thinking, oh,
keche pastry, Here we go. It's super easy. Oven goes
on one hundred and ninety, and we are using a
short crust pastry, you might need one or two. Sometimes
I need just a little bit more than one sheet
of the pre rolled right jack, so you might need

(34:04):
a little bit of number two sheets of pastry. But anyway,
you want to roll out your pastry, but to fit
about a twenty three centimeter loose bottom tart, and that's
one that's sort of got some fluting around the edges.
If you don't have one of those, use something else.
It won't really matter too much. Press your pastry fairly
firmly into that tin and leave a bit of overhang

(34:24):
over the side that's going to fall away as it cooks.
But this little trick helps us to kind of get
around the shrinking idea of pastry where it comes away
from the edges too much. Prick it all over with
a fork, that's key, and then chill it for about
fifteen to thirty minutes. That's key as well. Again, we're
trying to stop shrinkag here without doing the boring old
blind baking. But then you want to bake it in

(34:46):
that preheated oven sort of towards a little you know,
not quite middle, maybe a little bit higher fifteen to
eighteen minutes until it's quite golden, and then bring it
out and you can call it. It'll cool while you
do this. Next stage in a nice big bowl, we
want to whisk some eggs. I've got five large eggs
in here. I've got half a cup of grated cheese.

(35:06):
You can either put that in with the eggs, or
you can sprinkle it over the base. I've done it
both ways either or really half a cup of cream
you could use milk, add in a good half cup
of chopped parsley, roughly chopped parsley, good half teaspoon of
sea salt, good bit of black pepper, and you just
want to whisk all of that together and then pour
that gently into your pastry case, sprinkle over. I've used

(35:28):
about five spears of asparagus here. I've cut them into
four centimeter lens, but I've snapped those tough ends off
just where they want to snap, not the lovely frilly end,
but the other end. That'll just take that out of
the equation and then chop them up, throw them in.
Put in that smoked salmon if you're using it, and
then you just want to cook it. It's probably going
to take about thirty five or forty minutes, it'll probably

(35:51):
dome up. That's what tends to happen, right, and it'll
sink slightly as it cools. But you want to take
it out when it's just got a slight wobble in
the middle, and then it'll set as it calls. Great
to serve it not really piping hot.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
I wouldn't go for that.

Speaker 8 (36:05):
I'd go for more sort of warm or room temperature
if you like. Yeah, and it's just beautiful and the
asparagus in it, it's like it wants to be in
that little douvet of of eggs because it's softened up beautifully.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
The flavor comes out.

Speaker 9 (36:22):
It's just perfect.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I like that great little weekend dish.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
A little douve. That's it.

Speaker 8 (36:28):
That's eggs, blanketed and eggs. You could use feater instead
of salmon. I've decided. Oh you could also use drained
tin salmon or tuna. I mean, you know, in this
day and age, anything goes. I'm not strict about the rules,
as you know. Yeah, yeah, little asparagus keys.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh yeah, that sounds beautiful. This sounds so good. Okay,
we're gonna put the recipe and some photos on the
news Talk the website. Thank you so much, Nikki, we
will see you next week.

Speaker 8 (36:53):
Sounds great.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
That is Nicki Wicks our cook with her asparagus keech recipe.
This morning, it's seven to ten.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to
us Saturday mornings with Jack dam and Bepure dot co
dot for high quality supplements US talk ZB after.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Ten o'clock we've got your screen time picks for this weekend.
If after the Bleeders Low you're looking for something good
to watch at home, you're going to crash out on
the couch. I'm going to tell you about the show
a very royal scandal. So this is the second drama
that has been made about that incredible interview between Emily
Mateless from the BBC and Prince Andrew. This one though,

(37:31):
was a bit different in that Emily Mateless is one
of the executive producers on the show. So I'll tell
you all about that and where you can see it
after ten as well as that. Of course, Egli Cherry
is going to be our feature it. If you thank
you so much for all of your messages regarding Australian
Rugby Jack the AARU have a lot to answer for
for the demise of rugby in Australia. They've literally dropped

(37:52):
the ball when it comes to investing in the grassroots
of the game, which should have started thirty odd years ago.
The AFL has absolutely swamped rugby with greater participation across
all age groups, much more money, much more investment cross
all states. The major clubs now have memberships upward of
one hundred thousand members. Just look at last night in Sydney,
says John, there was a sold out crowd at the

(38:14):
SCG AFL onwards and upwards. Do you know what I
got a minute? I quite like AFL. Ah, so don't
we have?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
I do.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
I've got a bit of a soft spot for AFL.
Thank you for that, John. I'll get tomorrow your feedback
after ten o'clock. It is almost ten though. News is
next Saturday Morning of Jack Tame. This is News Talk's EDB.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Jack Day and Bpure dot co dot insad for high
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Speaker 2 (39:20):
It's gonna be stuck in your head.

Speaker 10 (39:22):
There's no getting around that.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Sorry, It's gonna be stuck in your head. Probably the
next forty eight hours or so I Reckon Yes is
the sound of jazz legend EAGLEI Cherry seemed destined for
a life in the creative arts, and this song Save
Tonight is a bona fide classic, absolutely stormed the charts
around the world upon its release. Eglie Cherry leads a

(39:47):
bit more of a low key life these days compared
to that of the late nineties, but he is still
writing and performing music live. He's just released his sixth
studio album, and now he's set to visit New Zealand
for the very first time alongside the legendary ub forty Eagle.
Ee Cherry is with us this morning. Held a good morning.
It is great to be speaking with you, and fantastic

(40:10):
for all your fans in New Zealand to know that
soon enough you're going to be on our shores once again.
How is it to be on the road with you,
be forty.

Speaker 9 (40:19):
I haven't gotten started yet, but I'm looking very much
forward to especially coming to New Zealand, because I've never
been there and it's been on my bucket list for
my entire life, so I'm really excited to come there
and get to play for my fans and to get
to hear you be forty live, which I've never done.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
You say you've never been here, and that is just
going to come as such a shock to many of
your fans because you have the distinction of having one
song of the year. In New Zealand. I'm not sure
if you're aware of this, but we have Bird of
the Year, we have Athlete of the Year, and you, sir,
are the winner of Song of the Year.

Speaker 9 (41:00):
There is a lot going on back in those days.
So yes, I have a vague memory of that happening.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Actually, so there was a nine to ninety seven for
Save Tonight, and yeah, I suppose it kind of it
kind of speaks to the like profound impact that that
that that song had, right.

Speaker 9 (41:21):
It sure did, And I'm very thankful I stayed home
that day when I wrote that song, because I was
supposed to go out and play football and the sun
was shining, and for some reason, I stayed home, and
I don't know if I think. I started playing the
guitar and I started coming up with something and I
felt like, Okay, we got something going on here, and
I just stayed and put in a few hours and

(41:42):
wrote the song that conquered the world life is just
so bizarre.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Like that, isn't that funny? So tell us a bit
more about that. You were planning on going out and
doing something else with your time. This wasn't a dedicated
writing session.

Speaker 9 (41:57):
No, it was just I had my apartment. I was
just you know, I had my record deal and I'd
made most of the album, and I needed something that
was a little bit more uptempo. Even though Saved Tonight
isn't a very much of an up tempo song, but
it's definitely more than the rest of the album. And
came up with this idea. And as soon as I

(42:17):
started getting when I got the line safe Tonight and
fight the Break of Dawn, I knew, I knew what
the song is about, but I had no idea I
was writing a hit.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
See isn't it?

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Isn't it funny? But you felt like in the process
you could you could tell when there was a bit
of a bit of magic.

Speaker 9 (42:35):
Yeah, there was something there. And then when my girlfriend
came home, I said, I've written a song. It's I
think it's kind of corny, but I think it's good.
She just said, it's a good song, man, But I
u when we tracked it, and I went back to
the apartment and listened to it on my headphones. I

(42:55):
could close my eyes and I kind of could see
people singing along in the audience, and then I got
to experience that many times over.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Ah, that's amazing. It's almost like you you're kind of
you're foreseeing it in a way.

Speaker 9 (43:12):
Yeah, I mean I think I think, yeah, that was
kind of a moment of clarity.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (43:17):
So when it came time to pick the first single
for the album.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
That was a no brain.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah. I think it was a good call. How I mean,
how do you like reflecting on it? How do you
think Save Tonight changed the trajectory of your.

Speaker 9 (43:29):
Life in every way possible? I mean, I am I
had a different plan, and Saved Tonight ruined it because
my plan was I you know, I have a sister,
Nana Cherry. She had this massive breakthrough hit with Buffalo
Stands and her record like Sushi. So I was hanging
around a lot backstage and behind the scenes, and I

(43:50):
kind of saw how incredibly intense it was and being
on a major label and how out of control everything went.
So I felt like, I think I want to do
something small first ended up signing to an independent label,
moved back to Stockholm, found a small label here in Scandinavia,
and I thought I'd make any albums with Scandinavia and
then I build slowly but surely and eventually. I definitely

(44:10):
had dreams of getting to travel the world and play
my music, but I thought i'd build it and then
save tonight just had another plan and said no, no, no,
we're going for it now and had to just go
for the ride. So I really didn't expect it. But
once we got going, it was just an unbelievable journey
and where the way it just went off so all

(44:33):
over the place. But I still regret that I never
made it down to New Zealand on the first run.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, yeah, it was only the first run. This is
the great thing. I mean, you, you know, have written
such amazing music over the last three or four decades
now that it was only a matter of time. Even
if you didn't make it on that first run to
New Zealand, it was only a matter of time before
you did make it here. Tell us a bit more.
If you can't eaga lie about your about your family,

(45:01):
musical life. You mentioned your sister, But I mean it
feels like basically everyone in your family is an incredible
talented musician.

Speaker 9 (45:08):
It's a pretty serious family business. We got going. I mean,
when my sister's daughter took off Maybel don't call me up,
I was like, oh, man, So there's a lot of
us making music, And I think it's all very much
from what our dad kind of planted in us and
his love of music and the way he did it.

(45:29):
You know, he was a jazz musician and we grew
up on the road. He toured and brought the family
with him and we'd be packing our Volkswagen bus and
driving around Europe. And for me, playing live is that's
the whole purpose of what I do. For me, like
the right, the recording, everything is about getting on stage
and making music for the people and getting that feedback

(45:53):
that you get when you're on stage. So all that
I think I take for my father, you know, because
that's what he was all about.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, So what was that like as a kid, But
being on the road and seeing the world through the
lens of a touring musician, I mean, that was.

Speaker 9 (46:08):
The reality that that I knew. So it wasn't really
until leisure that I really how specially it was and
all the legends that I met as a kid that
would just you know, colleagues of my father, and I
just thought, you know, it's this guy.

Speaker 11 (46:20):
Oh later I realized that was Miles Davis. I've met him,
but but it it was it was a special time.
And to travel and play music the way they did
in those days. You couldn't even do that today. It
was just, you know, a whole different time. And to
have been part of that. I mean when we moved

(46:41):
to New York and got a loft, our neighbors were
the Talking Heads, three members that are talking hands lived
and so every day I would hear them rehearsing, and
I was like a small kid going down, hanging around
listening to Psycho Killer over and over again.

Speaker 9 (46:55):
You know. So so all that has obviously found its
way into into what I'm doing now.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah, you basically didn't have a choice. It's like that,
you know, your your destiny was already kind of written
and star.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (47:04):
I tried. I started, you know, I went to drama
school and started working as an active First, I tried
to do something else, but yeah, I realized music is
a lot better.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, did you like jazz as a kid, you know,
I can imagine that. I think about my household, and
you know, obviously not not nearly as musical as yours.
But there's the classic thing where the kids scrumble at
mom and dad's music and then twenty years later they
actually love it.

Speaker 9 (47:28):
You know. The first album I bought was not a
jazz album. I'll tell you that. I think the first
time I bought was the Clash London Calling Ah, and
I got into the Ramones and all that kind of stuff,
but it was yeah, I mean, it was later when
I really started playing music on my own, and you know,
you start really kind of just realizing this is what

(47:50):
you want to do. And I then sat down and
listened to the albums that my dad had played on,
especially the early stuff that he did with or Nette Coleman,
and and that's when I kind of realized, you know.
So I wasn't until I was maybe eighteen nineteen year
olds that I really realized what the hell he was doing,
you know, And and now I listen to quite quite

(48:11):
a lot of jazz actually.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
So yeah, it's funny. It's funny how life goes kind
of full circle with that though, you know it you're
listening to Jack tame speaking with Iglai Cherry, who is
coming to New Zealand for the first time, which is
extremely exciting. You say that touring is the thing for you,
or at least performing live is is the thing that
gives you that real, that rush, the real sense that

(48:35):
you know you're getting real time feedback from an audience.
So tell us a bit more about that. Because you've
released I think like six albums studio albums over the
years now, so clearly you're still in the studio and writing.
What is it about live music that's still so special
for you?

Speaker 9 (48:50):
I mean, it all makes sense. It's it's like for
me when I write, I'm always thinking about what it's
going to be live. You know. I have a lot
of colleagues that are really into the whole studio process
and they love sitting in the studio and they don't
want to do anything else. But for me, that's just
a step to get to where we get up on stage.
So the last few albums that I've made, I've been

(49:12):
very much about writing the songs that I need for
my live show. So I get back into it and
I go, oh, man, you know, i'd really like to
have a song like this on the set list and
then I write it. I have a song a couple
albums ago that's called I Like It. That's really one
of those tunes. And then it's so much fun when
you get up on stage and it works, you know,

(49:33):
so exactly what I wanted it to do. So yeah,
that's all my whole focus. And I think the thing
I love the most about live concerts, even as a fan,
when I go to concerts, is that that one and
a half hour or whatever the set is is a
moment where everybody's in agreement, when it's a really good

(49:54):
show and we're all loving, everyone's in agreement that this
is the place to be and everything else is outside
of the door. And there's not many moments in life
that you get that, you know, especially today, when the
world looks the way it does, Like how often do
people get together and everyone just kind of it's just
peace and love.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Man, You're so right, there's something primal about today, Like
it's like something primal in the shed experience.

Speaker 9 (50:16):
Yeah, exactly, And then when you got everyone singing along together,
it's just it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, well, I have no doubt that's going to be
the case when you're in New Zealand and tell us
what can we expect from the tour when you hear
We're gonna have all the dates and everything on our websites,
so you did not expected to remember all of those,
But what can we expect when you.

Speaker 9 (50:33):
Hear I mean, it's it's more of I'm curious to
what I should expect, you know. That's the thing about
so great about my job is you travel around the
world and you go to a place and hopefully that
spot that you're in that particular night is the best
place to be that particular night. And so often you

(50:53):
get there and you get the crowd and you're like,
all right, this is a good time. I need to
come back here and hang out, you know. So it's
just about getting into the groove, you know, and feel
in the room and see what we what happens, And
like I said, you know, it's really exciting as well
to kind of get to play with the band that
I've listened to since I was a kid. Yeah, and

(51:17):
we start the tour in New Zealand, and I think
that's a perfect place to start.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
We are just so delighted that after all these years,
you're going to make it here. I hope that they're
still going to be able to roll out the red
carpet and everything when you arrive. I'm not sure what
the procedures are for the Musician of the Year or
for Song of the Year, but Eagle Ie Cherry, it's
a real pleasure to speak and have a wonderful time
in New Zealand. Won't you thank you so much? That
is EAGLEI Cherry. He's coming to New Zealand alongside the

(51:44):
legendary UB forty. Will have all of the details for
their tour dates and tickets up and available on the
News Talks EDB website before eleven o'clock on News Talks EDB.
There is a big move in the US of all places,
to introduce AM on all radio. It's very much a
back to the future kind of situation, but basically, lots

(52:07):
of modern cars, you know, the teslas of the world,
don't have AM radio receivers. But there's a huge movement,
including a new bill that they're looking to pass that
would make sure every vehicle has AM radio. So I'll
explain why very shortly. Right now, though it is twenty past.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Ten, start your weekend off in style. Saturday mornings with
Jack Team and Bpure dot Co do dot in seat
for high quality supplements used talk said B.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Twenty three minutes past ten, which means it's screen time
time on News Talks. D B Tara Award is with
us this time every week with three show recommendations to
watch your stream at home. Hey Tara, good morning. Let's
begin with the show streaming on Neon starring Colin Farrell.
Tell us about the Penguin.

Speaker 12 (52:53):
Yeah, this is new HBO drama and it's the latest
spinoff from the Batman World. And it's about the villain
of the Batman universe, the Penguin. And yes, it stars
Colin Farrell. He is reprising the role that he played
in the Batman Movie in twenty twenty t too, as Oz,
the Penguin Cob. And he's unrecognizable here. He's wearing a
lot of prosthetics and a body suit and has transformed

(53:14):
himself into this balding, overweight old man who looks nothing
like Colin Farrell. Probably looks a lot more like Tony
Soprano than Colin Farrell does. And this show does feel
a lot like the sopranos in Gotham City. It's a
mob drama, a mafia drama. It's about the Penguin's rise
and the underwear of Gotham City, and it's taking that
story of the villain and turning him into an anti hero,

(53:35):
you know, someone you would sympathize with. So there's lots
of shooting here, lots of organized crime, lots of conversations
and dark corners, and so in a lot of ways
it feels quite familiar. But you don't need to know
the ins and outs of the DC Comics world or
the Batman world to enjoy this. You can watch this
very much as a standalone show. It's dark and gritty.

(53:55):
You know, it's an HBO show. So the quality is good.
It looks good, and I think as this series goes
on it will become more of a psychological thriller rather
than just being a mob drama.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Okay, that sounds pretty good. And yeah, it sounds like
a bit of me. That's the Penguin. So that's on
Neon Starr and Colin Ferrell on Prime Video A very
royal scandal.

Speaker 12 (54:15):
Yeah, this is the second show in just a few
months to revisit the twenty nineteen BBC Newsnight interview with
Prince Andrew, and that, of course was the incredible interview
where Prince Andrew talked about his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein
and it was a disaster. He didn't come out of
the interview looking good at all. In the first series,
Scoop came out in April on Netflix and it starred

(54:36):
Billy Piper and Gillian Anderson. This series, A Very Real Scandal,
takes the same event, but takes a wider view than
Scoop did. It focuses more on both sides, So you've
got the BBC side through the journalist Emily Matless's eyes,
but also the royal side, the reasons why they allowed
the interview and the fallout after it, and so I

(54:56):
think because of that, this feels a bit like an
episode of The Crown. Michael Sheen plays Prince Andrew and
Ruth Wilson plays Emily Maitliss, So they are both very
good and this as you would expect. They've gone to
a lot of effort in terms of, you know, replicating
those mannerisms and the voices, and they very much look
like those real people. And Emily Maitliss was an executive

(55:17):
producer on this series, so I think that that gives
the show a few more nuggets of inside knowledge that
that Skood.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Would not have.

Speaker 12 (55:25):
So if you like the Crown, I think you'll enjoy
this version. I'm not sure that we need two dramas
about this event, particularly when it's not that long ago.
But it's one of those huge stories that appeal to people,
and it's a case of two big studios rushing to
get it done and both shows coming out at the
same time.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah right, nice, Okay, one's got Emily mateless so producing,
so I think that's that's a plus. That's a very
royal scandal on Prime Video and on three now Night Sleeper.

Speaker 12 (55:52):
Yeah, if you're looking for something with big energy, fast paced,
lots of twists and turns and kind of ridiculous but
in a good way, this is Night Sleeper and it's
on three Now. It's a six part BBC drama and
it takes place on a train that has been so hacked.
So it's a night train traveling from Glasgow to London.
Cyber hackers have taken control of the train. The passengers

(56:13):
are trapped on board, including a policeman named Joe, who,
when he realizes the train is racing uncontrollably towards disaster,
has to find out who on board is helping the hijackers,
while also dealing with the government's cybersecurity team who are
trying to work out what's going on. This is cliched
and far fetched, but so much fun. Lots of action,

(56:35):
lots of cliffhangers and suspense. It takes place in real time,
so that kind of adds to the tension. You know,
it isn't perfect. It's very unrealistic, but it's a show
you can just escape into and enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
For what it is and just be entertained by it.
Very good. Okay, that sounds like a bit of fun.
That's Night Sleep where it's on three now, a very
royal scandal is on Prime Video and the Penguin is
on Neon. It's our screen Time Expert Tara Award. Thank you, Tara.
We will see you next week.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Getting your weekend started.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talksbank.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
I feel like this is the sound of my youth,
like going to bars and nightclubs for the first time ever.
This was the soundtrack. This is Nellie Fatata of course,
and Nellie is back the trail blazer of dance music.
She's been on the charts for more than two decades.
She has sold more than forty five million albums since

(57:53):
her debut in the year two thousand. So yeah, she
knows a thing or two to say the least about
writing and producing pop hits. Over the years, she's collaborated
with all sorts of superstars and rising stuff, and her
Portuguese influence always comes through on the music she creates. Anyway.
She's won Grammy, she's won on Latin Grammy, she's won

(58:15):
a brit Awards, she's broken records, and she has just
released her seventh album. It's her first and seven years
and it is called seven. It dropped yesterday. Estelle Music
Review has been having a bit of a listen, so
we're going to play that to you before midday so
you can have a bit of a listen to. We'll
pick out a couple of the choice tracks. Next up,
our texpert is in for this weekend. He's going to

(58:36):
tell us about the big push to introduce AM receivers
on every radio in America. Why would they do that?

Speaker 6 (58:44):
Do you think?

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Right now it is twenty nine to eleven.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic Asking.

Speaker 10 (58:51):
Breakfast, Where are we at with the aut racist policy
of handing out a better travel deal for employees who
happen to be Mario Pacificate Churchiary Minister Penny Simmons is
with us on this. Now they defend it, don't they?

Speaker 13 (59:00):
Yes, they do, and look they have an absolute right
to defend it. And the Education and Training twenty twenty
gives them that independence to.

Speaker 14 (59:09):
Make those decisions.

Speaker 13 (59:10):
So I can't direct them to take notice of the
cabinet circular or the intent in it. I can only
draw it to their attention. Look like spoken with the
Vice Chance for the Damon, and I think that aut
have got some good rationale behind this decision.

Speaker 10 (59:27):
Back Monday from six am, the mic Asking Breakfast with
the Jaguar Us Talk ZB, how.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Do we power the rise of artificial intelligence? Artificial intelligence,
of course, needs crazy, crazy amounts of computing power. Crazy
amounts of computing power require crazy amounts of energy, and
our Textbert Paul Stenhouse is here with some fascinating new
details on what Microsoft is planning to do to try
and power some of its AI systems. Morning A Paul,

(59:56):
Good morning Jack.

Speaker 15 (59:57):
Yeah, the future is nuclear when it comes to AI.
That's at least what we're looking at at the moment
with Microsoft. Okay, so they have partnered with a show
nuclear power plant in a place in the States, in
Pennsylvania known as Three Mile Islands.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
And that's a name that's gonna be very familiar to
most people listening right now.

Speaker 15 (01:00:17):
Yeah, because that was maybe back in the late seventies
and seventy nine, that Unit two kind of melted down.

Speaker 16 (01:00:26):
Well, there's another.

Speaker 15 (01:00:27):
Site there that Unit two hasn't been used since that meltdown,
But there's Unit one and it's been shut down since
twenty nineteen. Okay, so that one didn't melt down, but
it's basically shut down because there was so much competition
between natural gas and solar and wind power and you know,
let's be real, twenty nineteen, you know, solar wind power

(01:00:47):
very much like the energy kind of the green energy
choices of the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Yeah, so they shut it down.

Speaker 15 (01:00:54):
Well, we need a whole lot more power for AI,
and Microsoft has now partnered with them to say we
will do a deal with you for twenty years, will
buy all of the power off you for twenty years.
The owner of the plants basically said okay, so they're
going to spend one point six billion dollars to get
that plant back up and running, the hoping to do
that by twenty twenty eight as long as obviously the

(01:01:16):
regulators allowed that type of thing. And Microsoft will use
it the power the data centers of now and obviously
the data centers over the next twenty years that you
can only assume are going to be more and more
and more energy hungry as AI begins to little fingers
into everything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
And this is interesting because this is one of the challenges,
you know, facing the energy transition. Right. Obviously, the renewable
sources of electricity are becoming cheaper and cheaper, and solar
and wind stuff becoming cheaper and cheaper, but also our
energy demands, especially in big developed economies, well yeah, I
mean energy demands right across different economies are massively increasing

(01:01:59):
because of this kind of technology. And I mean we
remember with bitcoin people were coming up and cryptocurrency people
were coming up with creative ways to try and power
their computing. But if artificial intelligence is even you know,
reaches half of the hype, they're going to need vast
quantities of energy to try and support these systems. So
you know, nuclear could be a good option.

Speaker 15 (01:02:21):
But this seems to be a little bit of a
turning point too, I think with nuclear because okay, it
doesn't exactly it's it's a tough decision, right, because yes,
the risk of nuclear going wrong is obviously catastrophic, but
the amount of energy you can produce for very cheap
of clean energ it's pretty minimal of cleanage you have

(01:02:41):
minimal impact of the environment is rather large. It just
can go very wrong very quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Well, you know, you look at you look at so Germany,
for example, Germany after the Fukushima disaster. We're going on
a bit of a side track here, but after after Fukushima,
Germany decided to scrap its nuclear energy basically, and that
meant that they had a spike in using fossil fuels
for energy. And as a result of that decision, in
the how as many years it is ten, twelve, thirteen

(01:03:08):
years since since Fukushima, the number of excess deaths in
Germany has increased, I think by several thousand because of
the air pollution, because they've said our nuclear is unsafe,
so we're going to have fossil fuels instead fossil fuels,
a result in higher air pollution which has actually killed
many more people than likely would have been killed by
nuclear So yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:03:28):
It's just a And remember when the Ukraine Russia issue happens. Yea,
they also found it much more difficult to get excess.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Yeah yeah, anyway, Yeah, so that is fascinating and very
interesting that like private companies would be supporting whole nuclear
power stations like that are at three Mile Island. So
that's fascinating. Now, tell us the US government is looking
at forcing cars to have AM radio.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Why, yeah, well, you know you love radio.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
I love radio.

Speaker 9 (01:03:56):
We all love radio.

Speaker 16 (01:03:58):
And it just has a different form with the.

Speaker 15 (01:04:00):
Rise of Internet connected electric vehicles, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
You don't really need it over the air.

Speaker 15 (01:04:05):
If you've got like your Tesla or your BMW or
your vaults Wagon, they are largely connected to the Internet,
so you can just stream it on your Spotify's, your Pandoras,
your Ihearts.

Speaker 9 (01:04:15):
But and there's the button.

Speaker 15 (01:04:16):
This is what US lawmakers are focused in on. What
happens if you can't get Internet connectivity, What happens if
you're out of a coverage area, What happens if there's
an issue with those communications systems. How do you get
emergent information? The AM radio is basically how it is
hardwired into all of the US emergency systems. Today, those

(01:04:39):
US lawmakers believe that it was a great solution. It
still should be a great solution, and so they have
passed the Wait for It AM for Every Vehicle Act.
It was overwhelmingly approved by a House committee. It's now
going to go to the House floor for a vote,
and if you're successful, will actually end up on President
Biden's desk to sign. Because they say, Jack that when

(01:05:02):
there's a crisis, information's key and the radio can't beat it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Yeah, this is the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
I mean. I think that they're becoming sensitive a to
having big networks and systems potentially taken down in attacks. Yeah,
so you know there was concern about the yeah, yeah,
for the potential and for foreign actors to wipe out
part of the energy grid or something like that. So
sometimes actually having some good old school technology can be

(01:05:30):
a good thing. Hey, thank you so much, Paul, really
appreciate your time. As always, that's our Textbert Paul Stenhouse.
In a couple of minutes, our master of Wine is
going to have his best buy for this week twenty
to eleven on News talks 'B A little bit of.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and Bepwart on Code dot
NZ for high quality supplements used Talks NB.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
So we're talking befourteen o'clock this morning about the demise
of Australian rugby, which I know is a very very
dangerous thing to do when you're only six or seven
hours from a Bleederslow kickoff. But it is now twenty
two years, twenty two years since the Wallabye last one
the Bleeder's Low Cup. It was two thousand and two
when they asked one of the Letterer's Low Cup. And

(01:06:11):
you would have to say, even after a bit of
a disappointing time in South Africa, that the All Backs
are very much the favorites for the Sydney Test this afternoon.
Super intriguing then to compare the run of rugby over
the last twenty or twenty five years in Australia with
that of AFL and NRL. Steven's got some thoughts on

(01:06:32):
Naty Sex. To me to say, Jack, when it comes
down to it, rugby league is just an incredible spectacle.
Do you want to have a game where the referees
miss so many rule infractions that will ultimately that will
ultimately affect the outcome of the game. I'd rather watch
a game where the rules are more simple and where
they are in forced, because why play the game if
the rules are not in play? Thank you for that, Steven. Yeah,

(01:06:53):
I mean, I certainly don't think I don't think that's
helped the cause of rugby. But despite rugby's more complicated rules,
you know, it's still going relatively strong. And other jurisdictions.
I mean, look at the rise of I'd be in
Europe over the last you know, over that same period,
I would argue that while Australian rugby has seen a
demise of sorts, in the likes of Scotland, Wales, Ireland,

(01:07:17):
certainly we've seen a massive surge in support of rugby. Anyway,
ninety two ninety two is our text number if you
want to send us a message. Jacket Newsbaloks he'db dot
co dot NZ.

Speaker 9 (01:07:26):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
After eleven o'clock this morning, I'm going to tell you
about Graham Norton's new book. It's just amazing that Graham
Norton still carves out time to write. He obviously doesn't
need to. The guy doesn't need the money. He does
it because it's his passion and from all accounts he
is a real talent. Our book reviewer has read his
latest work, so she's going to share that with us
after eleven this morning. Right now that it is quarter

(01:07:48):
to eleven, which means it's time to catch up with
our master of wine, Bob Campbell for his best buy
this week. Killed a Bob sure for your best buy
this week, You've chosen a Riema petty Baron Edmund de
Rothschild twenty twenty four, soven young blog. But of a mouthful,
but a very pleasurable mouthful, you reckon. This is from
Marlborough for thirty dollars. So why did you choose it?

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Bob?

Speaker 17 (01:08:11):
Yeah, it's a mouthful to announce that. It's a mouthful
to drink too, that's for sure. It's twenty twenty four
is a top mintage. It's shaping up to be an
absolute cracker, and this is one of the best. In fact,
I'd say it's the best Marvel soloth On that I've

(01:08:31):
tried today. Of course, they haven't all released their twenty
twenty fours. But this is certainly a certainly a beauty.
It's delicious now, but a most soon I think would
be drunk within a year of release. But I don't

(01:08:51):
think there's any rush for us whine. I think it
will have a little reward keeping for a year or
two at least, perhaps even more. Yeah, it's got a
little purity and power. It's due to be release shortly,
but and I'd say buy it while stocks last because

(01:09:11):
it's going to be a highly demanded wine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
So what does it taste like?

Speaker 17 (01:09:16):
Well, it's the same as a sort of like a
medley of passion fruit line z guava. I even fancied
a touch of figure there. It's it's sort of vibing
and refreshing wine with real purity, and it's it's got

(01:09:37):
a strong Marvel signature, but it's but I think it's
got a subtle French accent as well, which makes it
a bit more interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Thirty dollars a bottle, you reckon this is good value.

Speaker 17 (01:09:47):
Yeah, it's not the cheapest serviny on around. In fact,
as far as servinyon goes, it's moderately expensive. But it's
also but it's also very very good, so that in
my book, it just equates to good value.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Yeah, nice, and we can you pick it up, Bob.

Speaker 17 (01:10:03):
It's just about to be released, so so check out
your nearest fine wine retailer. Just past them for the
wine by name, and that they can order it in
if they're not going to stop it anyway. When when
you order an advance like that, don't they get to
inquire about a discount. Most retailers are very happy to
give a little.

Speaker 9 (01:10:26):
Price.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Yeah right, a bit of a discount for especially if
you're ordering an advance. And what would you match the
Rema Petia worth do you think?

Speaker 17 (01:10:34):
Well, the thoct that REMAPEI recommend peering it with cellards,
quite meat or fish and sauce dishes, and I can't
argue with that. That sounds sounds delicious, So white wine,
sauce the well probably.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Yeah, fantastic. Okay, So that's a Rema Peti Baron Edmund
de Rothschild twenty twenty four, Sauvignon blanc Our Master of Wine,
Bob Campbell's best buy for this week.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
With steel Sharp don't less their biggest spring sale ever.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
You've heard of? Dre of doom scolding for that's when
you get your phone and you just keep on scrolling,
and most of it is terrible, negative and painful and
all of those things. Well, dream scrolling is kind of related,
but it's maybe a little bit more optimistic. So dream
scrolling is when you go online and you scroll through

(01:11:28):
aspirational kind of stuff. So, for example, you might go
online and look up property advertisements for properties that are
wildly outside of your budget, you know, like ten million
dollar properties. You know, sometimes I go and trade me
and look up, you know, oh, private island for sale
in the Houdaki Gulf, and I just, you know, suspend

(01:11:48):
belief for a few minutes. Anyway, it turns out there
are some actual positive upsides to dream scrolling, So after
eleven o'clock I will explain to you a bit more
what those actually are. Right now, it's nine minutes to
eleven hour. Man in the garden is rude line pass GUILDA.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
Thank you're a jet?

Speaker 9 (01:12:06):
Are you all well?

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
I'm very very well, thank you. How are you, sir?

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
I'm good. I've just gone back out of the Marlborough
Sounds where I was working on school and also stayed
in the middle of nowhere with that Wi Fi, which
was just wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Nice?

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
How was that excellent?

Speaker 9 (01:12:24):
And you know what I did with the kids?

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
You went outside? This is the guests.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
Yeah, that's one guess. And the second thing is I
got some seeds of missiletoe. Oh okay, and I taught
them how to put the mistletoe seeds on the trees.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Oh very good. You think when you put the seeds
on the trees?

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
Yeah, well you know mistletoe, don't you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
Yeah, that's that is really important if you want to
be kissed at Christmas.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Do you know that too?

Speaker 9 (01:12:53):
Did you know it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
I didn't know that, but you need it. My parents,
my parents have got a couple of mistletoe cuttings, and
so they got mistletoe cuttings so they can they can
pull them out on the twenty fifth of December every year.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Oh yeah, but they're not real missical missiletoe cuttings. They've
probably been dead, I suppose.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the point.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
But no.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
But the point is, well we have.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
No sorry that they've got like a pot plant of
mistletoe that they grew from a cutting, so it's still gone.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
Did that work?

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
I don't know, nor do I because I thought they're
not worcidic.

Speaker 9 (01:13:23):
No, they need to grow on other trees.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Oh dear, maybe I've got it, I think. Okay, I'll
kick mom. Now, find out what the dealers. I'm all
about it? So yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Anyway, last week or a week or so ago, I
got a wonderful kid's book. I'll talk about that later
actually in springtime from Rachel Western, which is a book
about native bees in Altro, just the little native bees
we you know, And I've really never really properly dealt with.

Speaker 9 (01:13:51):
That with you because they're so important.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
But that was not the point.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
I'll do that late anyway, but yeah, sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
Of page twenty one, page twenty of the book, which
was called Kiwi Bees have Tiny Knees.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
There was a base on you on there. There was
this thing that grabbed my attention, and it was about
basically missiletoe. How bees, those little bees pollinate mistletoe. Now
I did not know that. I thought it was birds
like bellbirds and Dewey who did that? So I started

(01:14:26):
that became last week a complete missilete week for me
because I learned everything of us to know about mistletow.
We've got eight species. The ninth one is now extinct
and they're not doing too well et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. And because they're parasitic, we need to get
seeds onto their host plants. Now, first of all the

(01:14:48):
plants that I've got around here, I needed to know
what their host plants were. But here comes to the thing.
These things. I have seeds that have got really sticky
fruit if.

Speaker 9 (01:14:59):
You like, around the seed.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
And so when a bird wants to eat the seed,
like a bell bird too wee. They eat. They try
to get that seed out of the fruit, but because
it's so sticky, the seed sticks to their beak. And
what they then do is they wipe their beak on
the on the plant. Right, some birds actually eat the
seeds and they get a really sticky pooh and they

(01:15:24):
have to wipe their bump with the seed. You tell
kids there and they go like, no, yes, that's how
it works.

Speaker 9 (01:15:34):
So here you go.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
So the seeds then get stuck by the bird on
the plant, and in the next year that seed slows
it's making little roots that go into the host plant,
and that literally let them grow on that plant. It's
actually parasitic without really damaging the plants. Now, possums love mistletoes.

(01:16:00):
Mistletoes seriously in trouble. Some species are not very common
at all, So it would be really nice to actually
get this missiletoe back in our various habitats in New Zealand,
of course, which is I took school, and that was
exactly what the whole thing was about. These kids learned
to use the very slippery, that's very sticky sort of stuff.

(01:16:22):
They learned where to put it on the tree in
the little nooks where the branches come off the main trunk,
and then make sure that it's all stuck there, and
then a little tie around it with a little piece
of wool so that they can always find which brands
that they put the missilete on. Yeah, years later, when

(01:16:45):
they're still at school, they have their own missile toes
in their own trees, and I think that it's such.

Speaker 9 (01:16:53):
A cool thing to do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing, It really is. Yeah, it's incredible. Okay, well,
look I'm going to tax mum. I'm going to tex
mom and say just see over your missilete so I
can see what it's living off. At the moment. I
hadn't realized you go, you learn something every Saturday morning
on the show. Have not realized that it's so thank
you very much, rue Hey. Think of your feedback as well.
Old mate. James Carter has sent me a text. He's

(01:17:16):
compiled a list of things since the Wallabies last won
the Bledderslow Cup. So get this back. On the third
of August in two thousand and two when they last one,
Elvis was number one on the New Zealand charts. Nine
to eleven was still fresh in our minds. We hadn't
even had the first anniversary. The world was still mourning
the Queen Mum who died in April. There was no iPhone.

(01:17:38):
In fact, the iPod was still less than a year old.
No one has ever to this day accurately written on
social media that the Wallabies have won the Bledderslow Cup.
As Facebook, Twitter, Bebo and MySpace was still ideas, the
concord was still flying, the Space Shuttle Columbia hadn't had
its disaster. Richard Long and Judy Bailey were still reading
the news on TV one. How about that news is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Next Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay keeping a conversation going
through the weekend with the pure dot cot In for
high quality supplements used Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
More Anna, if you're just turning on the radio, hocky Am,
I welcome Jack taying with you on news Talks EDB
through to midday. So before twelve o'clock, we're going to
play you some of Nellie Fittado's new album. It's her
seventh album, her first album and seven years creatively. She
has called it seven, so we'll see if it's quite
as dancy, quite as poppy as some of her previous

(01:18:54):
albums proved to be mega hits. I can't believe it.
Actually she sold forty five million albums worldwide. That's crazy anyway,
looking forward to having to listen to that as well
as that. Graham Norton new book is out now. Book
reviewer has just read it, so she's going to give
us not too many details, but give us her verdict
on it at the very least right now, though it
is eight minutes past eleven. Team, you've heard of doom scowling,

(01:19:16):
but have you heard of dream scrolling. It's a new
phenomenon and apparently lots of us are doing it, even
if we don't know about dream scolding or haven't heard
that term before? Google Subtherland is a clinical psychologist with
Umbrella Well Being and as with us now Kilder.

Speaker 14 (01:19:31):
Google sua Jack.

Speaker 18 (01:19:33):
Yes, I've been dreams scrolling away this week without even
realizing I've been doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
I'm a dream scholar. I'm a dream scholar. I had
never heard of this term until you drew my attention
to it. But I'm a dream scholler. So why don't
you tell us what it is?

Speaker 17 (01:19:45):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:19:45):
I know, I hadn't either, But I picked up this
piece of research from trade me and they were talking
about it about and it's that phenomenon of where you
scroll through and particularly they were talking about it in
terms of looking at houses that are way out of
your budget, like the multi billion dollar houses in Queenstown

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or somewhere.

Speaker 9 (01:20:06):
Like that, and that you know, and and it's like, oh, yeah,
I do that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:10):
I do that too.

Speaker 18 (01:20:11):
And it's really fascinating about some of the stats they
pulled out of it. But yeah, it's that looking at
things that we dream of buying, I guess, and scrolling
through that particularly around but not limited to property.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Yeah, and it's not even a social media thing when
you think about it. Right, So like property, think about
you know, we've just had New Zealand's best homes with
Phil Spencer. You know, none of which I could come
remotely close to being able to afford, even if I,
you know, work hard for the next three hundred years.

Speaker 9 (01:20:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
But obviously I think all of us like to suspend.
It's not necessarily about owning it. It's about Yeah, there's
something nice about kind of just suspending reality of owning.

Speaker 18 (01:20:48):
It, right, I look, I think the bits of both
is definitely. I think we get that hit of you know,
imagine if I live there and just for a moment
you go off into your little dream world and you
are living, you know, living in that place. But interestingly,
some of the stats I saw they were about you know,
some people actually use it to kind of set a

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goal for for finances. You know, they actually think I
want to own it. Maybe not that particular one, but
but something like that, or a step down from that
would be I think about a third of people said
they did it to find inspiration. You know, they go, well,
I could never own that, but yeah I really like
that that idea or that that particular aesthetic or whatever

(01:21:30):
it is. And it's like, oh yeah, I've definitely done that.
We you know, we did up our kitchen a few
years ago, and you know, there was lots of dream
scrolling going on there. But it's like, oh yeah, I
could could definitely do it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Give you that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Yeah, it does it because and there must be like
there must be I don't know, physiologically, it must give you.
It gives you a little head of something, right, whether
it's dopamine or whatever else, that you do get some
sort of pleaser or satisfaction from a day.

Speaker 18 (01:21:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, one assumes that it's a little dopamine
that's that sort of feel good factor in the brain,
which is truck dop Things always tricky, right, because it
rewards you even when the things that you're doing aren't
particularly you know, somebody wo once said to me, doth
means a morally a morally ambiguous substance. It doesn't really

(01:22:18):
care what you're doing, whether it's good or bad. It
just gives you a hatty anyway. Yeah, And it's interesting
for this dreams gool and the trade me stuff I
think showed that that about twenty percent of people did
it at work, right, and you know, and that they
or some people did it on the toilet even, but
that's probably not quite so relevant. But yeah, you know,
and I definitely have seen I've done it myself at work.

(01:22:40):
You know, you're wanting a sort of a brain break
for a few minutes, and you just jump on your
phone and scroll through what the latest listings are.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Do you think there's any difference to Is there any
downside to it apart from not being very productive at
work or very productive toilet?

Speaker 14 (01:22:54):
The productivity, Yeah, the productivity.

Speaker 18 (01:22:57):
Thing's interesting because yeah, obviously in that moment you're not
being productive. Yeah, but actually, if you think about it
as taking a little five minute brain break from if
you've been doing an intense use of concentration for an
hour or so, which is actually quite a long time.
There was some research in Japan that they did a
few years ago on that they had that concept of kawai,

(01:23:19):
which means cute and if you look at and this
was sort of an early version of dream scrolling. I
guess if you looked at scrolls through pictures of you know,
happy animals and fluffy goats and all that kind of thing,
it gave you that same sort of hat. But interestingly, afterwards,
after you'd looked at that your concentration and productivity at

(01:23:39):
work increased for the next hour. So it actually can
have I mean, if you were doing an hour upon hour,
it would obviously be downside of work, but I think
actually it can have a positive spin off if you
do it at work. But it may not please the
boss very much if they catch you doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
No, no, see, I was reflecting on my own dream scrolling,
and I have I think in a way just kind
of subconsciously made it, well, maybe not even subconsciously, maybe
consciously made it part of my routine. So in the evening,
like my wife and I will often watch a little
bit of TV or something together, and then she will

(01:24:15):
want to watch a show that she's interested in it,
and I'll start to kind of wind down before bed.
And I often find that when I jump into bed,
I read a lot, but I read on my iPad,
and so I turn off the blue light on iPad.
But I've sort of got to this intermediate thing where
when I get into bed, I like to sit there
for fifteen minutes or so and dream scroll. So I
go and I mean, trade me very cheeky. They've got

(01:24:36):
this new if you go into the trade meet property app.
They have this new area where they have pool side
the properties we love, and so it's got a category
pool side Paradise, beach front beauties, luxury homes. Yeah, they
views to love. And so of course you're like, oh, well,
I'll just I'll have a look at this eight million
dollar house that I couldn't dream of having in. But

(01:24:57):
for some reason, I find it just personally, I find
it as like a really it's kind of totally mindless,
and it helps me kind of disconnect from the stresses
of the day by just my brain is almost less
active than it is when I sleep, you know.

Speaker 18 (01:25:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Look, I mean I think that trade
me data shows that about forty percent of people did
it did it to unwind when they're in bed, And look,
I think I think there's some real benefit in that.
I'm always you know, somebody once said to me, the
mood that you go to sleep in is the mood
that you sleep in. So if you go to bed,
you know, if you go to bed irritable and angry,

(01:25:34):
then you often have an irritable, angry kind of sleep. Yeah,
so it makes really good sense, I think if you're
using it to relax and to feel good when you
get into bed and go to sleep. You're probably increasing
the chances of actually having a reasonably better night's sleep
than you might otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
So I think it's probably you know.

Speaker 18 (01:25:53):
It's probably one of those really useful sort of self
care techniques which is probably quite good.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
And probably honestly much better than social media, like if
you do that as opposed to just going on and
getting angry you know. Yeah, yeah, I suppose some social
media has a kind of a dream scroll element to it,
doesn't it, depending on what you follow and what platform
you're using.

Speaker 18 (01:26:14):
Yeah, it can do, I mean, and it's interesting too,
you know, going back to that point about dophamine, you'll
get that dopamine hit from the fact that people have
liked your angry comment, which nicely illustrates the sort of
moral ambiguity of dophamine. But you know, yeah, I would say,
if you want a good night's sleep, way better to

(01:26:34):
be dream scrolling on your phone than sort of scrolling
through sort of nasty, you know, comments on whatever your
social platform is. Yeah, because it would be you know,
it's it's going to give you and put you in
a much mereter place to go to sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Yeah, no, fantastic. I totally agree with that. But it's
always good though, if you can get off the internet ultimately,
so I usually intermediate step TV. Yeah, a bit of
dream scrolling and then a bit of reading and then
good night and yeah yeah yeah yeah it's perfect. Yeah,
very good. Hey, thanks so much, Dogle, appreciate it's always Doogle,
some clinical psychologist from Umbrella Well Being with us there.

(01:27:10):
Just coming up to sixteen minutes past eleven. We're going
to catch up with our book reviewer next get her
thoughts on Graham Norton's latest read, eighteen pastor eleven. You're
a Jack Daime on News Talks. They'd be time to
catch up with our book reviewer, Katherine rain Scald Catherine,
Morning Jack. I know so many people are really excited
about this one. Graham Norton has just published his latest

(01:27:31):
so tell us about Frankie.

Speaker 19 (01:27:33):
So this book has been described as utterly absorbing and
I have to agree. And the main character is a
woman called Miss Frankie Haff and she's this elderly lady
and she has a fall and she requires an in
home nurse and the person sent to look after as
a young Irish care a guy called Damien, and he
happens to be working in London at the time, and
Frankie's extremely prickly at first. She's a very independent woman,

(01:27:56):
but actually they end up forming this friendship and to
pass the time, Frankie tells Damien her life story and
she's had a long life, and there's lots of errors,
and you get of motion and connection, and it spans
decades from postwar Ireland to nineteen sixties London, then to
New York and back to London again to the late
a's to the present day, and the story unfolds and

(01:28:18):
parts from her girlhood to her old age and her
life and the lows and highs and heartaches and the victories,
and in particular she talks about the AIDS epidemic in
New York in the nineteenties, and it's just Graham Norton
deals with it with such compassion and impact on his
characters and how you feel about it when you're reading.
And it has such wonderful characters, and it's a novel

(01:28:40):
of friendship, and particularly Frankie herself and her best friend Laura,
and the unfolding tale of her life and her remarkable
life and the writing is incredibly insightful and very engaging.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Yeah, oh it sounds wonderful. Isn't he just an absurdly
talented person, you know, like he is?

Speaker 9 (01:28:56):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I mean it's broadcasting. I watch is broadcasting, and as
someone with you know, a bit of experience in broadcasting,
although nothing on that scale, I just look at him
and I'm in awe when I see him working, see
how clever he is at bringing people in when they
need to be brought in and just managing all of
those people at once. But then to know that he
can write fiction like this as well, it's just like,
oh man, some people have all the gifts.

Speaker 19 (01:29:18):
And continuing to do so. He's written a number of
really good books now, and he takes different themes and
different ideas. And I was very engrossed. And Frankie and
She's interesting because when you watch his program, you can feel,
you know, how he ties as you talked about, how
he ties those guests together. He does that really well
in a novel form as well, and how he brings
the parts of the story together. Yes, very insightful about people.

(01:29:39):
He obviously spends a lot of time thinking and watching people.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Yeah, that's a good point. Okay, that sounds great. So
that's Frankie by Graham Norton. You've also read The Life
Impossible by Matt Haig.

Speaker 19 (01:29:49):
So Matt Hages's words force you to consider life in
a very different and quite original perspective. And he adds
magical realism into his story and tells a tale around it.
And this one is about Grace Winter, and she's a
retired mass teacher and she's in his seventies. She's full
of regret. Her husband passed away and her son was

(01:30:12):
killed very early in his life, and she's struggling with
that life and she really doesn't enjoy her day day living.
And then out of the blue, she's bequeathed a property
in Ibiza from a rooman called Christine that she hadn't
seen in a very long time. And the only thing
she really remembers about her is that at one point
they worked together and she did her a good turn,
and that she had the Saint Christopher's necklace from many

(01:30:34):
years ago. And Christine kind of disappeared under mysterious circumstances,
and her curiosity decides to get the better of her,
and she flies out to Ibitha to find out what
happened and where Christina is and the house is really
nothing special, but her friend left her a letter and
then she goes off to meet this man called Alberta,
who Christina seemed to be very close to, and they

(01:30:54):
go on this late night dive together and life changes.
But Matt Hay captures the people and the scenery and
Ibitha and this world and the Mediterranean magic in such
an amazing way. And there's lots of ideas and themes
around this book, and those universal themes of love and
hope and planet and how we all exist together, and
without giving the story way it takes you into in

(01:31:17):
a place where you wouldn't expect to go.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Fantastic. Okay, that's the Life Impossible by Matt Haig. Catherine's
first book once again Frankie by Graham Norton, and both
of those will of course be on the website. It
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the Wallabies led us Low kicks off of course five
forty five this evening New Zealand time in Sydney. We'll
get Jason Pines thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
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to the All Blacks Wallabies. We're gonna have the live
call of course this evening five forty five kickoff Sydney
bled us Low one for twenty twenty four pintings with
us Now, Kyota, Sir, Kyota, Sir. I love Bletter Slow
Cup day, so do I. But but what but I look,

(01:33:09):
I'm just being a bit of a d B downer today,
to be perfectly asked. Not I just I just think,
if we're one hundred honest about it, the Australian rugby
team has not been where we need it to be
to ensure really good level contests for some time now.
And the fact that it's twenty two years since they
last won the bled is Low and the fact that

(01:33:31):
they got absolutely pumped by Argentina a couple of weeks
ago does not make me all that confident that the
Aussie are going to put up a huge fight tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
I'm not saying I want us to lose, don't get
me wrong here, but I do think that the more
competitive the Wallabies, the better for New Zealand and rugby.
And they've been a long way off the best for
some time now.

Speaker 16 (01:33:51):
Yeah, And that's a good summation. It is a good summation.
And look, I guess the counterpoint to that is that
they always seem to play better against us than other teams.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
That's true.

Speaker 16 (01:34:00):
Yeah, yeah, and I think you know you're right a
couple of weeks ago, getting you know, fifty points the
second half check for goodness, say.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
And they started strong. This was like, oh right, okay,
here we go. I was just going to upset the
Argies once again.

Speaker 16 (01:34:14):
New No, it wasn't to be. Look, I'm really looking
forward to it. As I say, I love All Blacks
Australia test matches. They always sustes something about them. They
always remind me of test matches passed. And look, you
remember back in the late nineties, early two thousands, we
didn't know from week to week if we were going
to beat them or not. And that I think is
the landscape we'd love to be in again. We're not,

(01:34:35):
but there's still I think a few things to look
forward to. I'll tell what I'm hoping for as a
complete performance from the All Blacks. We haven't really seen
that at all this year. We had a great forty
minutes against Argentina or at Eden Parker then that's the
closest we've come to a complete All Blacks performance under Razor.
I'd like to see that for a couple of reasons
to see it, but also because I think it might
then open up the possibility of a couple of the

(01:34:58):
less experienced younger guys getting a crack next weekend in Wellington.
The Blends like couple be sold up of course for
another year if they win tonight, So it might give
the likes of Noah Hotham and Billy Proctor and even
George Bell someone like that, you know, the chance to
even even Harry Plummer to get an All Blacks debut
next week in Wellington. Because he's been pretty conservative with
his with his selections, has raised that and probably by necessity, Jack,

(01:35:21):
because when you're losing, you don't want to necessarily throw
guys into the you know, into the frying pan or
out of the fire or whatever the metaphor us. But
you know, so I'd quite like to see us win
so that he is a bit freer to do that
next week.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Yeah, you know, Yeah, that's a good way to look
at it.

Speaker 9 (01:35:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Is there anything about the selections that surprised.

Speaker 16 (01:35:40):
You will Jordan, I thought was going to be fullback
for Raser. I thought, you know, having played there for
the Crusaders so often and so brilliantly that I just
assumed that once he got the fifteen jersey, he would
stay in the fifteen jersey. Yeah, he got the fifteen
jersey last week and now he's back on the right
wing and fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
I mean, I'm not I'm not saying it was a
terrible game, but I mean last week wasn't great, was it? No,
that's right.

Speaker 16 (01:36:02):
But then but then you think, okay, well Will Jordan
is a class player. Yeah, just like I think he
probably will be the long term fifteen. So I you know,
you look at what he's done with Damien McKenzie. He's
played every single Test match at ten. He said, right,
you are my number ten, here's the ten jersey, it's yours.
You know, don't worry. I'm going to keep you in
there at least for the first half of the year.

(01:36:22):
And he's done that. I would have quite liked to
have seen Will Jordan I got another crack in fifteen
with I think, you know, we'd both agree a little
bit more space this afternoon than he was afforded in
Cape Town last week. But he's on the right wing.
He's a destructive player. He'll probably make the most of
that space.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Anyway.

Speaker 16 (01:36:39):
But yeah, just that was probably the selection that that
made me raise my eyebrows the most.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Yeah, okay, what do you think of Cortez?

Speaker 16 (01:36:46):
I like that, Yeah, I like that. I think he's
a placeholder for cam roy Gard if we're honest. But
those two going forward as a one to two punch
will be particularly potent a nullah Hotham in that argument
as well. T J Petnada. We may well say goodbye
to him in Wellington next weekend. I'm not sure that
he'll go on the end of year tour because we
know he's leave at the end of this year, so

(01:37:08):
it may be that he gets a Swan song next week.
Still a part to play off the bench today and
probably next week for TJ. But yeah, Cortez, he is
part of the future, as as roy Guard, as as Hotham.
So yeah, I think we're in a little bit of
a transitional stage around our half backs at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
I think that's fair cool, right the black Caps. It's
been a relatively evenly contested test in Sri Lanka so far,
although you would have to say that Day three belonged
to the Sri Lankans after we had that narrow first innings, Lee,
what have you made of the Test so far?

Speaker 16 (01:37:36):
Yeah, it got away from his yesterday in some regards,
didn't it. And the fact that we didn't make the
most of guys who got to fifty or thereabouts and
didn't cack on and then just unable for whatever reason
to get the breakthroughs that were required. And you know,
I know you've got a you can't just bowl and
bowl and bowl a fast bowler in the heat of
Sri Lanka. But will O Rook's been our best by

(01:37:56):
some distance. Eight wickets he's got so far in this
Test match. Of the fourteen that the black Caps have got,
he's got eight of them and it's looked really, really good.
But yeah, the spinner's not getting the penetration we needed.
I think Sri Lanka are ahead in the Test match.
Sri Lankan presidential elections today, Jack, So it's a rest
no cricket today.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Yeah, get they get a.

Speaker 16 (01:38:16):
Rest the way back tomorrow. But yeah, they're not favorite
to win the Test. I think Sri Lanka will bat
for a bit longer and with that pitch turning, I
just you know, it will be a real stiff examination
of our ability to play spin in the fourth innings
of a Test match over there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll be interesting to see how those
conditions hold up as well, because yeah, there's been a
bit a bit of rain and so far, but hopefully
they do get play after the election results come through. Yeah,
so all right, we'll looking forward to this afternoon. What
do you got on the show?

Speaker 16 (01:38:44):
I'm really looking forward to chatting to Joe Roff after
one o'clock. He was a part of those Australian teams
I mentioned before. He used to terrorize us along with
the Gregan Larkham horror, Little Burke you know, and others
as well. He's the president of Rugby Australia now, but
I want to talk to him about those clashes with
the All Blacks and also what he does these days
to try and impact an improvement of the Wallabies. Mike

(01:39:04):
Brewer after Midday as well, played all three positions on
the loose forwards for the All Blacks. Kind of hair
thoughts and lots of the ZB audience I know, Jack,
as you'll know, we'll want to have their say on this,
so I'm going to fascilla take that this afternoon on Weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Sport as well, yeah, look forward to it. Thank you, sir.
We to let you get warmed up. Jason Pine with
us after midday with Weekend sport O. Hamish Makai suffect
this a note. This is a good point Jack and
Piney forget the Wallaby second half versus the argis it's
giving us a false sense of security.

Speaker 9 (01:39:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
I think that there's probably a fair point. It's a
dangerous business trying to make any calls of predictions of
the sporting world when it comes to broadcasting life. But
thank you for that, Hamish. Right now is twenty seven
to twelve before midday. I got their new music from
Nellie Fittado. Next up, our travel correspondent is taking us
to the Atherton table Lands in North Queensland.

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Speaker 5 (01:40:13):
Hey Mike, good morning Jack.

Speaker 14 (01:40:16):
I have no idea where I am at the moment.
I've been on the plane and I just feel totally adult.
But I do know that the All Blacks will win
today by about.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
The five points, oh five points.

Speaker 14 (01:40:25):
I think it'll be a squeaker.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Ah well, if look history is anything to go by,
at least this season, your calls have almost proved to
be universally wrong at every single time, at every single point.
So I'm not going to put too much stock in that,
except to note that you're being more cautious than I am,
which I think is a prudent measure, Thank you. Yeah,
I think it's a prudent measure. Anyway. Hey, we're looking
at the Atherton table Lands in North Queensland this morning,

(01:40:48):
so if you want a bit of a cool change
from the tropical heat of Kean's in the coast. What
is so distinctive about the table lands.

Speaker 14 (01:40:57):
It's eight hundred meters higher, Jack, so if you're overcooking
on the coast, the teams are generally five even ten
degrees slower in the table lands. And this elevated slab
of fertile farmland and ancient rainforests is just the most
extraordinary place for some superb outdoorsy adventures. It's a real
high lands escape and they've got like little scatterings of

(01:41:20):
perky country towns. There was this really cool town I
went to called Milanda, and it's home to the Big Pub.
Very self explanatory. This is a century old pub. It's
got the most enormous wrap around Verandah you'll ever see
in your life. And it's the biggest wooden hotel in Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Oh wow. Okay. So if you're kicking things off and
exploring the Athenton tablelands, would Jungerburrow be a good place
to start.

Speaker 14 (01:41:47):
Yes, definitely. It's like cat and for tourists this place.
Jacket's a chocolate box, pretty pint sized town. It's got
a really proud village ye restored heritage buildings, another grand
old pub, gorgeous gardens. I reckon I would have to
be one of Queensland's most immaculately maintained villages. But aside

(01:42:07):
from the esthetics, I've got to mention the platypus. Oh
my goodness. Just out of the main street, there's this
creek called Patterson Creek and they have the local community
have done the most amazing riparian replanting project along this creek,
which is in the population boom. So I went down
to the creek and within minutes I was a gog

(01:42:30):
watching all of these playful platypus having a bit of
a morning swim. And they have the most unusual criticis
because they are mammals but they lay eggs how does
that work? And their mothers they don't have teats, so
the young justice suck on their chests and the milk

(01:42:50):
is excreted. Very unusual.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
They're so weird. A this is one of those things,
you know, Bill Bryson's like it writes a book about everything,
and they're always amazing, and you can never quite remember
the anecdotes that the shears in the book, and you
can only remember about like three quarters of the detail.
That's the that's my that's my little warning with this note.
But am I right in thinking that when they first
tried to return a platypus to to the to the

(01:43:16):
UK and take them back to Britain to show, you know,
these are these crazy animals in Australia, that no one
would believe that it was real that they like then
they looked at a platifu scoles and everyone was like, nah,
you've just glued a bit of that and a bit
of that and a bit of that together. Like no
one believed that it could possibly be a real animal
because it's so unusual. Yeah, anyway, they are, as you say,

(01:43:36):
just this, absolutely remarkable. So to other wildlife. Then, is
the tablelands a hot spot for birders?

Speaker 14 (01:43:43):
Well, the thing about the table lands which the locals
are so proud of, they have nearly half of Australia's
seven hundred bird species. So yeah, birding nirvana, twitching. It
is curiously and divis, you know, Jack, And it's the
crazy sounding birds in the table lands that really left
me enthralled. So they've got like the spotted bird, and

(01:44:07):
it's very well named because he sounds just like a
mating feline, even wackier Victoria's rifle bird. He screeches that
distinctive metallic sound of someone joining a zoom call, you know,
that sort of sound when someone joined it, So that's
exactly how he sounds. And then there are the wildly

(01:44:29):
colorful local heroes like my favorite bird of all on
the table ends, the blue faced parrot finch, who should
really be in the circuit.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
Yeah, and hey, it's not just birds that you can
spot in the trees.

Speaker 14 (01:44:42):
No, actually, down by Patterson Creek where you see the platypus.
It adjoins Marbi Forest and it's this little tract of
trees already it's a mini forest, but this is the
most amazing spot to look up at the tree dwellers.
Of course, they have plenty of Australia's cherist treasures possums
in those trees. Then there's the spectacled flying foxes dangling

(01:45:05):
upside down looking at you rather imperiously. But best of
all jack tree kangaroos. These guys are adorable. So they've
got a light break coat, a big black mask on
your face like Batman's mate, and super long tail. So
if you want to try and spot a tree kangaroo,

(01:45:27):
big tap, look for a dangling tail in the branches
and just keep your fingers crossed. It's not a possible.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
What are the natural attractions are worth checking out?

Speaker 14 (01:45:39):
There are so many great sites. There are so many
cranking waterfalls, and they've got these beautiful little lakes that
are actually volcanic craters and they just brim with all
sorts of interesting wildlife like freshwater turtles and water dragons.
But it's the rainforest that kept pulling me in again.
Deck lots of old specimens in those forests. They've got

(01:46:01):
the Cathedral fig tree, which is this monstrous, truly monstrous.
It's crown is as big as two Olympic sized pools
fifteen meters above you. This enormous crown, I know. And
then they've got the Curson fig tree, which is like
a lettuce like screen of vines cascading down to the

(01:46:25):
ground from fifty meters high, so it looks looks like
a giant Curson. It's the most excellently named tree. They're
both about five hundred years old and they are just
the most amazing artworks of nature.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
Yeah, that's incredible. As so, we's a good place to stay.

Speaker 14 (01:46:41):
Well, if you want to crank up the tranquility dial
too high, check into Rose Gumps Wilderness Retreat. It's not expensive,
but you have got two hundred acres of pure tablelands
paradised to call home. They've got a cluster of secluded
treehouses scattered about the forest. It's deliriously good forest bathing

(01:47:01):
central because they've got ten kilometers of private walking tracks
through the forest. And when I checked him, Dave, the manager,
he gave me a walking stick, which I thought suggested
I'm met, perhaps I look older than I am, But
actually it was because of the cassawieries. And Dave said
to me, use the stick and just tap it a
couple of times on the ground if the bird comes

(01:47:24):
too close to you, and that will probably give it
the hint. But for God's sake, don't hit them, because
you will come up second best, as an American did
three weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
Can actually kill you.

Speaker 5 (01:47:39):
I think, are they totally?

Speaker 14 (01:47:41):
If the Cassawery was a candidate for a football team,
you'd want him to be taking the penalty shoots, because,
my god, he has got the most breathtaking cac.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Yeah, yeah, they're No, they're incredible animals and so dinosaurian,
not that that's a word better.

Speaker 6 (01:47:59):
Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 14 (01:48:02):
I was just going to say, Jack, I'm sure there
must be some connection between the Cassawary and the Moa.
The the moa the kind of look like they should
be in the same family.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
Yeah, they do, and they've all got that kind of
prehistoric vibe, don't they Thank you so much? Mike really
appreciate it. We'll put all of Mike's tips on taking
an adventure in the effort and tablelands of North Queensland.
Up on the news Talks ZB website. New music from
Nellie Fotado for you in a couple of minutes. It's
called at a twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Giving you the inside scoop on All you need to
us Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and Bpure dot co
dot nz for high quality supplements News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
This is Nelly Fatado. That song is called coras on.
She's just released a new album. The album's called seven
and Estale. Clifford has been listening Gylda.

Speaker 20 (01:49:18):
Oh Kilda, and I had to look at what it meant.
So it means my heart Yeah, my heartbeat keeps going on.
And in part of it, I was like she's saying Kyoto.
Then I was like it's care or like very similar
in language to three or Mardi. And I love that
about listening to an album where you're.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
Like, I think they have I mean, Spanish and Portuguese
have the same vowel sounds as much.

Speaker 12 (01:49:38):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
It means your mouth shape is the same.

Speaker 20 (01:49:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, real chancel on chorus, super catchy, yes,
Colombian inspired beats. When she went for a trip to
Colombia featuring an artist there a bomba yestereo and just
a really cool co lab for her and like that
typical Nelly Fotato stuff where you just can't help but
sort of tap your feet along right on the dance floor.

(01:50:04):
Seven is the name of the album. It's her seventh
studio album. It's also been seven years since she last
released an album, and Idea say it's turning into her
lucky number because apparently every time she'd doubt herself, something
would appear in sevens. You know when you do that
weird thing and you suddenly everywhere, type of cars everywhere.

(01:50:25):
Yea yeah, but like that for her, apparently this album
was inspired, like it reinspired her passion because she started
going out again and then going to clubs and stuff
and hearing all these new DJs remix some of her
old stuff for a new audience, and she's like, Okay,
I think I can do more of this, but some
new now.

Speaker 15 (01:50:44):
Imagine going out and hearing your own music anyway.

Speaker 20 (01:50:47):
I love that his I love that it reinspired her.
And so this whole album for her is this journey
in refinding her creative passion and bringing that to us
she's calling it a collection of songs as opposed to
like having a set theme or telling a story or
journey of anything in particular. Just more that she suddenly
got inspired to smash out hundreds and hundreds of songs

(01:51:09):
and these are the ones that really stuck, and I
think some of the collaborations probably helps that. So she
wants us to look at it like a designer collection
where this is her season.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
Okay, yeah, I know, Artie.

Speaker 20 (01:51:21):
I also wanted to give us some outlets for just
tripping out and releasing, and there's plenty of that in here,
so she really has I'm like, yep, she's obviously definitely
gone back to the dance floor because a lot of
the songs had that real high energy, high beat, cool stuff.
I just I think that's kind of a way with

(01:51:42):
Nellie for title, Like there's standout songs where you're like,
that's definitely her, and there's some on this album where
you're like, oh, I have to listen to it a
bit more. It's kind of cool, like she's reimasing what
she does. But I think that's also the process of
collaboration with people you're working with. There's a great song
here called love bites similar to Corason and their upbeat,
catchy sing a long kind of chorus style, and she's

(01:52:04):
featuring Toblo and that really good collaboration. She actually starts
her voice is quite Billie Eilish, is that quiet kind
of like whispery?

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
Yeah, yeah, which was I was like, oh.

Speaker 20 (01:52:17):
Cool, that's kind of really playful and something different. You
don't always hear Nelli Fotado do. So I feel like
each song she has embraced like a different sort of
vocal technique and then it breaks into that Nelly Fortado
sort of sing along stuff and you kind of know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:52:31):
She's met some some ballads as well.

Speaker 20 (01:52:32):
They sort of come later in the album, real underplayed
vocal delivery sometimes and then again it's just the melodies
for her that I think always hit a really good spot.
It's been interesting to see fan reaction to this album
because everyone's finding their particular song, Like some are really going, oh,
it's a breakup album and look, she has been through
some stuff. Yeah, But I think that's the great thing

(01:52:55):
about music. Once you release it, people find the one.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
That really sits in connects with them.

Speaker 20 (01:52:59):
He's even a touch of yodling like through the album
take Me Down, I know, I was like, well take
me right, yeah, yeah, I never never expected anything like that.
I think it's an album that's best played loud as
probably like a getting ready to go out kind of album.
I don't know if I do so much of that anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
Some house clean yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:53:23):
Gets the heart rate up, which I think is quite beautiful.
Her voices, I mean, I don't feel like her voices aged. Yeah,
And I think she's sticking with what she's really good at,
but just giving us some real international kind of beats
to go along with that, with what she puts into
her songs and the production of it, which I really like.
Like she's one of those artists that can just come

(01:53:44):
back and you go, oh right. I wouldn't necessarily have
said it's being seven years. I don't know if there's
any of those songs that really have hit me just yet,
like some of her real big radio plays from the
early two thousands, But I think they are definitely songs
that you'll enjoy when you put them on. And I
think that's nice about an album, right and go yeah,

(01:54:04):
this is this is cool and again play loud. Excellent
Cittains and Windows open. Let the neighborhood know that you're
embracing Nellie again.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
And what did you give it?

Speaker 20 (01:54:12):
It's eight out of ten.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
For eight out of ten for seven by Nellie Fatato.
Very good, Nice Hey, thank you, Estelle. Looking forward to
having a bit of a listen. Don't mind a bit
of Nellie Fatada from time to time, So we will
play you another one of her tracks off her new
album in a couple of minutes on Newstalks dB right
now it is eight minutes to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
Oh cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Jack Day and Bpure dot co dot inz for high
quality supplements.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
Newstalks EDB Dad has our time together for this morning.
Thank you very much for tuning in and for all
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(01:55:00):
the website.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
I'm back next Saturday morning from nine am for this
afternoon though Jason Pine is in weekend sport, conning down
to the All Blacks Wallabies News Talks it'd Be. Will
have the call live from five point forty five this
evening as they take on as they clash for the
Bledislow twenty twenty four. Thanks to my wonderful producer Libby
for doing the tough stuff this morning. We're gonna leave

(01:55:21):
you with Nellie Fortado. Her new album is seven. This
song is ready for Myself. See you next week.

Speaker 3 (01:56:56):
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