Full Show Podcast: 22 March 2025

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Mod Inna, Good morning, Welcome to news Talk s eDV.
Jack Tame in the hot seat with you through to
midday today, and boy do we have a treat for
you this morning, our feature interview right after the ten
o'clock news this morning. As none of the Keiwee TV
legend Lucy Lawless, she's gonna be with us with an
extraordinary story, a story about out another bona fide legend

(01:08):
of New Zealand TV history, but a name that you
may not have heard of. The name is Margaret Moth.
She was a cameraman in some of the world's most
extreme and dangerous war zones. And Lucy Lawless has made
an extraordinary documentary about Margaret Moth's life. So she's gonna
be with us after ten this morning. Before ten o'clock.
It was a great night if you're a Warriors fan,

(01:28):
A great night if you were a cheese fan, A
great night if you were an All Whites fan, not
so much if you're a black Caps fan, and certainly
not if you're a fan of more Una Pacifica. But
our Sporto will be in very shortly to tie all
of that up and look forward to Super Rugby tonight
plus the All Whites defining game on Monday evening. Right now,
it's a minutes past nine, Jack Dame. And despite the

(01:48):
polls I reckon, the last two weeks have been among
the best for Prime Minister of Christopher Luxeen in his
time in the top job. Sure the numbers aren't showing
him and his government much love at the moment. School
lunches still have their issues. The Treaty Principles episode is
far from over. But at a time when Luxon faces

(02:11):
significant pressure on the domestic front and a pretty grumpy
voting public, you cannot deny that his efforts last week,
first of all the Infrastructure Investment Summit and then this
week in India represent a full court press in the
government's push for economic growth. Now, look, I know that

(02:33):
we don't have tangibles just yet. I know that we
don't have a free trade deal. I know that if
we do get one negotiated and signed, our biggest primary
export sector may end up with very little, but at
a time when most of us are feeling really glum
about the economy despite this week's GDP figures, when unemployment

(02:54):
continues to rise, and when our second biggest trading partner,
the world's biggest economy, is being led by an erratic
and highly unpredictable president. I reckon the welcome that Luxon
and his delegation received an India and the resumption of
negotiations for a free trade deal were meaningful, seriously meaningful. Now, sure,

(03:14):
it's a stretch to think we will get a comprehensive
deal signed in the next eighteen months, but you cannot
argue we are not in a better position today than
we were when Luxon took over. It's my view that
on several occasions as National's leader, the PM has suffered
from having a bit of a bad political radar. I

(03:37):
just think he's made some kind of misjudgments that perhaps
MPs with more political experience would have been able to avoid.
But of as many public facing responsibilities, I reckon he's
probably at his best when he's alongside the international business
and political crowd. You know, leaders from around the world

(03:58):
in salesman mode, as it were, hustling. I was at
Apec in Peru last year and it's kind of the same.
I just remember the PM flew in and flew out.
The time zone was a total dog. He was probably
only on the ground for forty eight hours. There were
breakfasts and dinners. There were official meetings, multiple bilaterals, all

(04:19):
across town, twenty or so different leaders to meet. And
I remember that when he landed, before he even went
to his hotel or had a shower after seventeen or
eighteen hours in the year, Luxon insisted on swinging past
the Australian delegation so he could catch up in an
impromptu way with Anthony Albanisi. By anyone's measure, it was

(04:39):
a grueling schedule, a seriously grueling schedule, no downtime, and
Luxon always had to be on. And I asked him,
just before he flew home how he was feeling. He
must be exhausted, I said, honestly, it was as though
the possibility had never even crossed his mind. Huh, he said.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
No.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I love this, he said, and I believed him. Look,
there are plenty of levers that governments can pull that
impact economic conditions. This government's critics will argue that a
part of New Zealand's current economic malaise is as a
result of their policies. Nonetheless, at a time when the
world's biggest superpower is spraying tariffs all over the show

(05:24):
and speedily retreating from its international role, I do think
there's value symbolic or otherwise, and a prime minister overtly
hustling for his country. Jack Tea ninety two. Ninety two
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(05:46):
dot co dot nzet is my email address. We I
think are enjoying the very last of the summer produced
at the moment. So before corn is gone, we've got
a fantastic recipe for some really easy and delicious corn
and tomato fritters last year. Before ten o'clock, Kevin Milne
will get us underway for our Saturday next It's thirteen
minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame. This is news.

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Speaker 3 (06:19):
The past nine on news Talk's EDB. Jack, thank you
a well balanced editorial this morning. Jack, I've just watched
Crystal Reluxant speaking at the Racing the Dialogue in India.
Absolutely stunning address, without any notes. The amount of detail
he had in his head puts him in a totally
different league, next level stuff. Very talented, says Tony Jack.

(06:40):
At last a glimmer of hope acknowledgment for all the
hard work that Luxon is putting into his trade program
within here and Jack, that's his job, as it has
been for past PM. Stop blowing him up for doing
what he should be doing. I'm just saying I think
he's good at it. I think he's good at it,
and I think, yeah, Look, whether or not there are
kind of tangible outcomes, whether or not we do have
a really good free trade deal in years to come,

(07:02):
I guess remains to be seen. But at a time
when so many of us really about the economy at
the moment, I think seeing the PM out there hustling,
working super hard, I think is a positive thing. So
let me know your thoughts. Ninety two ninety two is
our text number. You can email me as well, of
course Jacket NEWSORTSDB dot co dot ends. Yet, it is

(07:24):
Kevin Milne's birthday week and he is with us this morning.
Kilder Kevin, how was it, Curer?

Speaker 5 (07:31):
I had a very nice week, thank you very much.
One of the highlights actually was on the evening of
my birthday, we had corn beef sandwiches.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
Did you?

Speaker 4 (07:43):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
I can't think of it an easy, more attractive and
tasty meal than corn beef sandwiches.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Really would that be? You know, have you ever played
the death Row dish? You know where they when they
say what So if you were on death row and
you got to pick your last meal, what meal would
you choose? Would you choose? A?

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (08:04):
No, I don't think it'd be the corn beats ide,
going for some crayfish and blood voices?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Probably?

Speaker 7 (08:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, someone said someone said that you Yeah, I'm really
if it's a death row edition, it's your absolute last meal?
Really what you want to choose as an all you
can eat pasta or something, so you just keep going,
just keep on going. Yeah, Well, happy birthday. I'm pleased
to please to hear that you enjoyed it. But Kevin,
you want to talk about something that has been winding
you up a little bit and continues to wind up.

(08:34):
You want to talk about flies this morning?

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
I don't know if it's the same way you are, Jack,
but the common household fly seems to be making a
comeback after a quiet summer. They're everywhere, and I've developed
an interest in flies. How come when they land on
your knee, for example, they're nearly always getting away from
you if you try to squash them. Over a lifetime,

(09:00):
I've enhanced my technique at swatting a fly. I don't
swam the hand down on them the minute they land.
If you wait about five seconds, they're torso drops into
a relax position between their knees. Have you noticed that, Jack?

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, well it depends on the fly.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
But yes, yeah, yeah, we're talking about the common household fly.
But when they're in the relax position, you slowly bring
your hand down closer to the fly without screwing it away,
and once you're within twenty centimeters, then you know smack.
You lift your handback up to inspect the damage, and

(09:38):
once again there's nothing there. It drives me nuts. But
I've been reading about the fly and it's a little
wonder we can't catch them to set off. Their eyesight
and their neural skills reacts so quickly they see your
hand coming down on them in slow motion, at a
quarter of the speed that we see it. Wow, they've

(09:58):
got so much time. They see our hand coming down
towards them, they light up a fag and consider what
way to fly out. They can fly off in any
direction they like and laugh at you from a distance.
Flies can launch themselves off your knee in point seven milliseconds.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
That's point, not seven seconds. If they're threatened, they can
fly at twenty four kilometers an hour. That's the same
speed that Sam Ruth, a fifteen year old, round the
four minute mile on Wednesday night. Just like you and
I would never chance of catching Sam. You could never

(10:40):
catch a healthy fly. The only flies you catch are
those that have got something wrong with them. How does
that make you feel, Jack, that you're slamming your hand
down on a fly with some disability.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
It's one of those things, isn't it that? I Mean,
flies drive me crazy, absolutely crazy, But I begrudgingly can
look at the fly and think that is an incredibly
well adapt did species. Like how like if you were
if you were designing a fly from scratch, I'm not
sure you could improve on it, you know, Like it

(11:14):
is just so so incredibly well adapted. It's like a
cockroach or a rat or whatever else. Right, there's something
about vermin, something about pests that you know, the reason
they endure them, the reason they managed to evade us
is because actually they are just supremely adapted.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, yeah, but price really, I mean, they are one
of God's little creatures, as they say. And yeah, I
mean if you try to sit down and make one
very very difficult, you wouldn't do it. And so to
some extent, I have a despite the fact that I'm
always trying to swat them off my knees and stuff
and catch the odd one, I've.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Got quite a lot of respect for them.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
I don't like spraying them really, see, yeah, it seems
like that sort of masculine.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well I'm not. I'm not worried by that. My wife is,
she's a big sprayer, and I'm always just like, oh,
are we just spraying cartinagens around the house, And they,
of course the can says, oh, it's sort of safe
and stuff. I'm like, I'm not sure that that's something
that kills these things as effectively as that does is
necessarily going to be healthy for us. But I suppose, yeah,

(12:23):
I suppose don't say breeze the breeze is the best thing.
You won't have a breeze coming through, because then they
don't they don't like the breeze. Apparently, so if you
can get a bit of a draft going in the house,
apparently that can be effective. But I don't know anyway, Kim. Hopefully, hopefully,
is the weather starts to get a little bit cooler,
you're going to have fewer flies at your place. But
I appreciate your time this morning, and glad that you

(12:43):
enjoyed your birthday. Here you go, Muz says, come on,
re smacking a fly, you clap your hands slightly above them,
then they fly up into your hands. Mary reckons that
you've got to go from behind them. I still reckon,
Mary that with their kind of field of vision, that
most flies are going to be able to evade you.
But thank you for that. Ninety two ninety two, if
you've got some tips now, Sporto was in and a
couple of minutes. Right now, it's twenty two minutes past nine.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Getting your weekend started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team
on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Twenty five minutes past nine on News Talks EDB. Time
to catch up with our sporto Andrew Saville and sav
it was a crazy night of sport, massive sporting weekend.
Let's start off. I want to get to the one
side of matches in a couple of minutes, the Chiefs,
Miner PACIFICA and the All Whites. But let's start off
with the Warriors, who really showed their metal last night,

(13:36):
including Roger two vasishiks stepping up despite a torn hamstring.

Speaker 8 (13:41):
Amazing, really fourteen to six over the Sydney Roosters. I
don't think they've beaten the Roosters for seven or eight years, Jack.
So that's good way to break a drought at home,
a good crowd, good conditions, very very tight game and
for them to win it by eight points thought it
was outstanding effort. So are we seeing two wins don't

(14:04):
make a season? We're seeing a little bit of consistency
starting to creep in. Oh to the Warriors game. I
don't want I don't want to I don't want to
overcook things early on, but especially up that terrible loss
in Las Vegas to start the season. You know, a
lot of distractions, a lot of theories behind why they

(14:25):
didn't run against the Raiders. But since then the massive
winover Manly and now a big win over Sydney Roosters.
So and let's not forget the Roosters beat Penrith was
it last week or they beat one of the top
teams last week, So the Sydney Roosters are no mugs.
So that was a very good sort of statement win

(14:47):
by the Warriors last night.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, All White Fiji and Wellington. Good crowd twenty thousand
out for the semi final. It's sort of it's funny
this playoff, right because obviously the stakes are really high.
The winner of the of the tournament will has automatic
qualification to next year's World Cup. Now that it sort
of seems like if we're asked a bit of fade
of complete but that the All Whites are going to

(15:11):
get up given the opposition, and last night did nothing
to kind of dispel that sense of things. But what
did you make of that performance? I mean, just so
good to see such a strong All Whites team.

Speaker 8 (15:25):
Yeah they had to go out there. Yeah, they had
to go out there and make an emphatic statement, no
doubt about that. They couldn't be complacent. I think Jack
just watching the first few goals last night, very clinical.
There was no mucking around. They got stuck in. I
think this All Whites team at the moment has a

(15:46):
number of very good players in it who are obviously
plying their trader around the world, apart from Chris Wood.
Compared to say four or five years ago, where let's
not forget the All Whites were upset by some of
these Oceania Island teams and Confederations Cup qualifying and World
Cup qualifying, they suffered the odd shot loss. You just

(16:07):
can't see that happening these days. I think they're very
well drilled team players who've got a lot of international
experience these days, and they go they went out there
last night, got the job done. Hamlet's fig seven mil.
And now they take on New Caledonia at Eden Park
on Monday night, and again they should go out there
and win quite comfortably. But I think the fact that

(16:28):
the fact that if they win this game or they
will win it, they're after the World Cup. I think
I think it'll it'll attract quite a good crowd at
Eden Park on Monday night.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Well we've got tickets. Yeah, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 7 (16:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (16:39):
I mean, and you're seeing some compared to say again
a few years back, if not long, you're seeing some
very very good world class footballers in this all Whites team.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Now, well this is this is what was really interesting
to me today. And Piney, after calling the game last night,
has been on the Red Eye flying up to Walkland
in preparation for that match on Monday night, and I
was just talking about with them with Jason pine before.
What was interesting to me is that the starting eleven
for the Whites had just one a league player. It
was only Tim Payne was the only a league player.

(17:11):
And you think about how strong Awkland f C has been,
but it kind of speaks to the depth within New
Zealand football that so many players applying their trade in
Europe at the moment, and you know, as well as
Chris Wood, I just think seeing Saprit Singh in the
middle playing as well as he did last night, given
the last couple of years he's had with injury, I

(17:31):
just think that bodes really really well so hopefully they
get through Monday, not only with a comprehensive victory, but
also you know, unscathed in terms of injuries, and the
team can keep on building.

Speaker 8 (17:42):
But the Thailand, this kid of Thailand and I think
he signed with Forest team. Yes, yeah, he looks for
goods too.

Speaker 7 (17:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (17:50):
And what I think what we're seeing Jack, Finally football
was still extremely popular for youngsters, and I think what
we're finally starting to see is some of that talent
from the under eighteens, under seventeens, under twenty national teams.
We're finally starting to see that come through at the
senior level, which is great for the sport.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Tell you what, though, should should players be given yellow
cards if they decide to go into the stands to
sign autographs? No? I mean, can you imagine? So this
is Chris would if he had had a yellow card
during the game, which he didn't have, and then had
decided as he did, to get up into the stands
because you know how and Wellington it's not a kind

(18:28):
of pitch level, right, so the only way you do
have to kind of get you do have to kind
of get up to go and sign. So he made
the generous decision with half an hour left in the
game to go up into the stands and sign autographs
for the kids. If he'd done that and he had
a yellow card from the from from his playing time
and had received a second yellow card, he wouldn't have
been able to play on Monday, which but it seems

(18:53):
like maybe there's an opportunity for FIFA to reconsider that
rule and.

Speaker 8 (18:57):
Maybe if he picks up another yellow on Monday, he
can't play the opening game.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
With the World Cup.

Speaker 8 (19:01):
Yeah, but I'd imagine they scrapped.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I think no, I think it doesn't. I think it
doesn't carry. I think I think it might.

Speaker 8 (19:08):
What at night you had the black Caps. Okay, they
lost to Pakistan by nine wickets, which is a big,
big loss at Eden Park. Then you had the worry
is you had the Chiefs Beading Mowana and Pukakoe, the
All White seven nil Liam Lawson unfortunately last Ye sprint
race qualifying for China today that starts at four. But
you never know. Again at the back of the field,

(19:29):
keeps his nose clean.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Drives the car hard.

Speaker 8 (19:31):
You never know what can happen. And then as well,
snowboarder Zoe Sadowski. Siner has done it again, her third
World Championship title in Switzerland as well. So amazing weekend
for Sport and the Blues and year old mates the
Crusaders tonight.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, what are you expecting for that? Uh?

Speaker 7 (19:53):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (19:54):
Should be a classic, should be a cracking game. Can
the Crusaders went away from home? Finally?

Speaker 4 (20:01):
Mm?

Speaker 8 (20:01):
Interesting?

Speaker 3 (20:04):
No, very convenient? Yeah all right, beg you sir, We
will We will catch up with you again very soon.
Our Sporto Andrews I have like an answer that yes,
of course they can. Before ten o'clock on News Talks, EDB.
We've got those corn and tomato fritters. The recipe for
that we're going to share with you, just giving that
we're kind of right at the very end of the
season for the corn, so you want to make the
most of those. Just delicious, love a corn fritter, but

(20:27):
this is like a corn fritter with an edge, And
very shortly we get film picks for this week. Your
feedback too, Jack enjoyed your opening comments this morning, Jack,
stand by for a tsunami of left wing outrage at
your comments. How dare you say something reasonably positive about
our prime minister Jack, You're right, the country is much
better off when Christopher Luxon is twelve thousand kilometers away,

(20:48):
says Matt. And regarding flies, Julie says, I've noticed something
quite crazy. Maybe it seems conspiratorial, maybe not, but the
flies at our place seem to have become immune to
the fly sprain. No matter which brand we use, it
just doesn't seem to work as well as it used to.
I wonder about this as well, Julie. I want if
flies are able to build up a bit of a resistance,

(21:09):
because you know, even if you get the spray that
says you only need one spray and they're going to
fall down dead, I find that you need way more
and then you're kind of drenching the whole house, like
spraying it all around the place. And you do have
flieres always love to hang around kitchen benches in particular.
I'm always really conscious that with this, like absolutely, you know,
like like painting our kitchen benches with what can't be

(21:30):
the healthier substance. But anyway, yeah, if you got any
tips for getting rid of the last few flies at
your place at the end of summer, we're all like
all these for that as well. Ninety two ninety two
is the text number twenty seven minutes to ten your
film packs next for this week our news talk. He'd be.

Speaker 9 (21:45):
Call when you break on your mond when you work.
We took a call when you breaker, They take and
think you forgo with.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
The name.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Twenty four to ten on New still envi you with
Jack Tame Jack. A flamethrower will do it. Yeah, yep, Well,
flies are not immune to a good old, flash fashioned
fly swat. I like a fly swat as well. My
better half doesn't. I see a fly is Actually there's
something incredibly satisfying as well. You know when you just
manage to get the perfect the perfect kind of impact

(22:30):
or connection when the when the swat perfectly kind of
wraps around the fly. The problem is the mess a
little bit. So you just need to make sure if
you are using the swat. You kind of want to
be conscientious. And I always think like, oh, where do
you keep a fly swat? I keep mine on top
of the fridge because there I sort of hope that
no one who's visiting our house is going to see it.

(22:53):
And maybe I'm you know, a couple of theses taller
than my wife which means that she doesn't see it
either anyway. Two, if you've got some suggestions, there are
time to catch up with Francesca rud Can, our film reviewer,
with her picks for this weekend. More than good morning, Okay,
we've got a bit of a period drama to begin
with things this morning, soy to never listen to Firebrand.

Speaker 10 (23:13):
There once was a queen by the name of Catherine Parr.
She was the sixth wife of the vengeful king Henry
the Eighth. The five wives who came before her all
met untimely ends, but Catherine's fate was to change the
kingdom forever.

Speaker 11 (23:37):
It sounds like it's been a while since we've been
able to sort of get our teeth into a really
good period drama.

Speaker 12 (23:44):
I was really excited about this film.

Speaker 11 (23:46):
You may have caught it when it screened at the
New Zealand Jenteral Bilbies of last year. It has now
come back for general release and Firebrand has it all.
It's got the gorgeous costumes, the fabulous locations sort of
the lash at direction, the manipulation and desire for power
and survival. It's got a bloated and oozing quite literally

(24:07):
Jude law as King Henry the Eighth. He's not doing
so well at.

Speaker 12 (24:11):
This point when we meet him.

Speaker 11 (24:12):
Of course, he's got these terrible infections in his legs
and things. Alyssia the Canada. She stars as Catherine Parr,
his final queen who survived him, and she is absolutely
fantastic and nuanced as a woman who is well aware
of her place within the court and that her husband
could chop her head off at any moment, but still

(24:34):
also has her own ambitions and religious beliefs that she
tries to.

Speaker 12 (24:41):
Nurture and develop.

Speaker 11 (24:43):
This film takes history and it gives it a feminist
and fictional edge.

Speaker 12 (24:48):
So you'll watch it and you'll go, oh, Okay, this
is fantastic.

Speaker 11 (24:50):
I know this story, and then it just has these
lovely little twists to it.

Speaker 12 (24:53):
And I love it when filmmakers do this.

Speaker 11 (24:57):
It's a little bit like that wonderful TV show for
All Mankind about NASA. You know, you just started off again,
you were going to watch something historical and then it
just turns on a head, and it's wonderful because it
just adds a bit of unpredictability to a period drama.
It is very clever. I think it could have even
pushed things a little bit further. Joe Law, however, is

(25:18):
absolutely fabulous.

Speaker 12 (25:20):
He steals every scene he is in. He is not
holding back in this role as this.

Speaker 11 (25:27):
Very difficult man, and he embraces him physically, kind.

Speaker 12 (25:31):
Of emotionally everything.

Speaker 11 (25:35):
And Elizabeth Cananda, as I mentioned, does this excellent job
of balancing the dutiful wife with her and ambitions. Look,
there's plenty of political swagger and royal pandering. Henry's court
is you know, everybody is kept on their toes.

Speaker 12 (25:50):
They're aware of that they're.

Speaker 11 (25:52):
At the mercy of the king's whims.

Speaker 12 (25:56):
It's wonderful.

Speaker 11 (25:57):
I think if you like period dramas, you like immersing
yourselves in a different time, but you don't mind a
little bit of.

Speaker 12 (26:04):
A twist, and then it's not a factional film. I
think you'll really enjoy this. It's great.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Anytime you can describe an actor as bloated and oozing,
I'm into it. Yeah, I think that's yeah.

Speaker 11 (26:17):
Here's so, here's what they did. Just here's a little tip.
When they were shooting the scenes and there were all
these people in his parlor and they have to unwrap
his legs to look at the injuries and put more
maggots on and things. Apparently the filmmaker's got someone to
create a smell that replicas decaying flee.

Speaker 12 (26:36):
And they in the room.

Speaker 11 (26:40):
This is what I heard, And they put that in
the room when they were shooting the scenes, and actually
everybody does react so brilliantly to it.

Speaker 12 (26:47):
But yeah, so there we go filmmaking for you.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, fantastic. Okay, that's firebrand. Yeah, no, wonder you do
with that? Next up, the film screening on Netflix at
the moment. This is the Electric State.

Speaker 13 (26:58):
Rebellion, when the robots deviated from their assigned tash with them.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
To the Electric State.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Bam, Chris Pratt and Millie Bobby Brown tell us about
the electric.

Speaker 11 (27:15):
Spids, and Stanley Tucci and Woody Harrelson and Brian Cox
and Holly Hunter and Jason Alexander, just a few names
to throw out there. This Look, what I heard about
this film is that it has this incredible cast, which
it does, and it's possibly one of the most expensive
movies ever made. So the rumor is they spend three
hundred and twenty million US on this film.

Speaker 12 (27:35):
This is this is Netflix, This is Netflix.

Speaker 7 (27:38):
Right.

Speaker 12 (27:38):
They won't confirm the figure, but if it is true,
it is.

Speaker 11 (27:41):
Definitely the most expensive stream streaming film ever made.

Speaker 12 (27:45):
And you know what turned in twenty million bucks. Oh
it's good light escapism.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
That's not great, really, yeah, Nook.

Speaker 11 (27:55):
It starts off with a hien raw and I thought
this is going to be fantastic. There's kind of the
film sort of sets us up as you heard there.

Speaker 12 (28:04):
It sort of sets the story, sets.

Speaker 11 (28:06):
Up that he'rre in the nineteen nineties, there's a war
with robots, robots are outlawed, and.

Speaker 12 (28:13):
There's a lot of really clever use of historical footage,
some very.

Speaker 11 (28:18):
Funny moments, and I was going, this is going to
be such a great action comedy. They've got the balance right.
And then as the film kind of progresses, it sloths
and it becomes a little bit plotty, and the s
dialogue isn't maybe as sharp as it should be, and
then it packs up again at the end for a
lovely kind of epic ending. So I did feel that
they had something here, but it sort of just drifted
into a little bit of a predictable sci fi film.

(28:40):
So Millie Bubby Brown, she plays this character. She believes
the consciousness of her presumed dead brother is in a
robot that comes to find her, and she goes off
in search of her brother, and she ends up in
this place called the Exclusion Zone, and she's helped by
the Scavenger outlaw Chris Pratt, who actually just acts like
he has warped out of Galians of the Galaxy and
onto the set. Apparently got twenty million for that, so

(29:00):
good on her. It's made by Anthony and Joe Russo,
who responsible for films like Wore An Endgame. They did
four Avengers films. They know what they're doing. And the
robots are fantastic. Look the they're impressive.

Speaker 12 (29:15):
The action and the visuals are really really good. And
as I say, it sort of starts well and ends well.
It just sort of it was a bit.

Speaker 13 (29:22):
Of a lully middle.

Speaker 12 (29:23):
It's a shame.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah, okay, yeah it's fair enough. But yeah, I'm stunned
that Netflix is even spending that much on films at
the moment.

Speaker 9 (29:31):
Well, here's the.

Speaker 11 (29:32):
Thing, right, here's the thing. Everyone just sits and watches streaming,
so it's really easy to capture your audience. You don't
need to make the go to a cinema and pay
for it. So that I don't think they really they're not.
I think they want to make their money bag, but
they're not hugely fuss. They know that people will watch it,
and apparently it is already sitting at number one and.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Them, yeah, okay, Well that's the Electric State streaming on
Netflix at the moment. And Francesca's first film, the one
that is showing in cinemas is Firebrand. Will put all
of the details for those films up on the News
Talks Big website. Now after ten o'clock we're going to
tell you about this other film. It is the first
time that Lucy Lawless has switched roles in making something
from actor to director. She's made this amazing new documentary

(30:13):
about Kiwi camera woman Margaret Moth. Now that name may
or may not be familiar to you, it's familiar to me.
We learned all about her when I was studying to
become a journalist, because she's kind of a bona fide
legend in the New Zealand news business. But Margaret Moth
was a camera woman in the nineties, started in New Zealand,
went to the US, was working in the US, and

(30:34):
ended up getting a job as a camera woman for CNN.
Working in war zones around the world, but when she
was in Bosnia shooting and filming in Sardajovo during the war,
Margaret Moth had been there for a couple of weeks
when she was shot in the face by a sniper. Now,
it was pretty touch and go after she was shot.
Remarkably though she managed to survive. She was evacuated from Sardajovo.

(30:57):
She went through all sorts of surgeries as she tried
to recover, and she had this incredible line once she
was able to speak again, in that she said she
wanted to turned to Sardayovo, she wanted to work again
as a camera woman, and she had to return to
Bosnia so she could collect her teeth. I think that
one little instant tells you a lot about the woman.

(31:18):
But she was a complex woman, and Lucy Lawless has
told her story in an incredible way. So Lucy Lawless
with us right after the ten o'clock news this morning.
Make sure you stick around for that. Right now, it's
quarter to ten. We've got that delicious corn and tomato
fred a recipe for you. In a couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going through
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Speaker 3 (31:42):
Be Welter ten on news Talk said, be good morning, Jack,
your editorial was spot on this morning, Jack, very irresponsible
comments about our prime minister. I just wonder what your
intentions are. My intentions are just to give just the
call things as I see it right. I'm not saying
he said he's nails everything. I just think the last
couple of weeks from Christopher Likesn's perspective have been among

(32:04):
the best of his time as Prime. I think partially
because he is he's been able to do what I
think he's really good at hustling, you know, in a
kind of international fura. I think I think he is
good at it. Jack fail proof fly remedy. Take a
clear glass with a wide top and come down very
slowly with an almost imperceptible movement on top of the fly,

(32:26):
says Kate. I agree with that. Sometimes they're actually just
getting a glass, especially if the flies on the window.
Getting a glass is honestly just the easiest thing. Mess
free get a glass, piece of paper off the top
of the glass or the jar, take the fly outside
head of free Jack stop using fly spray. It's a
full on scam. Yes, it kills the flies, but it
has something in it that attracts more flies. No, surely not.

(32:49):
Oh that would be a hell of a conspiracy, wouldn't it.
Ninety two ninety two? If you want to send us
a message trying to catch up with that cook neck
he works for her recipe of the week, Kyodo, Kyodo.

Speaker 14 (33:00):
I love a conspiracy theory in that one really hurt,
doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Imagine? I think that one has Yeah, there you go, yeah, yeah.
We're sort of reaching the end of the warm weather.
It s the things starting to cool down. We're seeing
the end of the kind of summery produce and vegetables,
and you want to make the most of the corn
and tomatoes before the gone.

Speaker 15 (33:20):
Look, I really do.

Speaker 14 (33:21):
I probably say this about this time every year to you, Jack,
but this is sort of my favorite time of the year.

Speaker 15 (33:27):
We've still got kind of summer.

Speaker 14 (33:29):
Produce that Austin gets really good at about this time,
most people have given it up, given it up.

Speaker 15 (33:34):
They're like, oh corn.

Speaker 14 (33:36):
You know, whereas it's super cheap at the moment, you know,
and the little tomatoes, cherry tomatoes, I mean I know
that they do stick around all year these days.

Speaker 15 (33:45):
But tomatoes are only just getting good.

Speaker 14 (33:48):
Our family has a long history of going tomato picking
out in Mangoty at the Young's farm out there, and
it's only now that those big beef steak and that
come into their own, so you know, it is a
time for that. And so I've combined them into these
corn and tomato fridders. And they're not like the corn
fritters that you know.

Speaker 16 (34:05):
Oh no, no, no.

Speaker 15 (34:06):
They're more like a sort of little puff, if you
know what I mean. That's what you do. They're really good.
They're crispy on the outside. They're kind of soft in
the middle. Oh, just a dorm. I've been eating so
many of them. So here's what I do.

Speaker 14 (34:17):
Here's a base recipe, and I've got some other variations
that we could use too, And a bowl whis together
a large egg, three tablespoons of flour, and about half
a teaspoon of baking powder gives them that beautiful little puff.
And a good half teaspoon of sea salt and a
good pinch of pepper take the corn off kernels.

Speaker 15 (34:37):
Take the kernels off the corn.

Speaker 14 (34:39):
So don't be using candle or frozen corn at this
time of the year, just grab one. You know, you
get a surprising amount of kernels off one corn cob.
So you want about a cup of corn kernels, taking
it off the cob with a serrated knife, and do
it in a kind of wide, shallow bowl if you can,
like a pasta bowl or something so that you do
it on the bench. Oh, the corn kernels jump around everywhere.

(35:02):
Drives me crazy. So I do it into a little
lipped bowl. And then you've got a hundred grams of
cherry tomatoes. Have or quarter those into little bits. I've
got a teaspoin of cuman seed's hea gives us a
beautiful flavor, and a small handful of fresh coriander chopped up,
and combine all of.

Speaker 15 (35:18):
That until it's a thick, chunky batter.

Speaker 14 (35:20):
It shouldn't be too stiff, but it's certainly not like
your regular corn, for it is where.

Speaker 15 (35:25):
You missed cream corn.

Speaker 14 (35:27):
Throwing a little iced water if you need to jack,
just to loosen that up a little bit.

Speaker 15 (35:31):
And then you want to heat enough oil.

Speaker 14 (35:33):
I tend to use grape seed oil or rice brand,
something kind of neutral in a small pan or even
a saucepan, because you want to shallow fry these, which
means you want to take a big sort of tablespoon
of the batter and throw it into this beautiful hot
oil and it should come about halfway up the fritter
if you like. You want to fry that till it's

(35:54):
golden brown, and then sort of turn them over, and
please be careful of the popping corn.

Speaker 15 (35:59):
They will really split, So sort of watch these.

Speaker 14 (36:02):
Things from a distance once they're cooked all the way
through them on some paper. Mix a little bit of chili,
maybe some chili powder, and with some sour cream or
some mayo or some cream fresh, just something creamy, and
serve that with your fritteres. Maybe a squeeze of lime
or lemon over them as well.

Speaker 15 (36:20):
Absolutely delicious. I have been eating a lot of these.

Speaker 14 (36:24):
Yeah, very unusual to have the sort of the hot,
lovely tomato in there and then the crunch of the
corn all bound up.

Speaker 15 (36:32):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
This is such a good combination though, such a delicious combination.

Speaker 14 (36:38):
I'm going to also say that you could replace the
cuman seeds malted lemon grass. I'm going to say you
could put some chopped bacon or ham in them as well.
I'm going to say that you could also leave out
the cumen and put in basil or oregona and shower
the grated parmesan afterwards.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yep, very good, Thank you so much. Nikki will put
that recipe up on the news talks. He'd be website
so you can make it at home. So many techs
have come and I just haven't got to them yet.
In the last forty five minutes or so, saying come on, Jack,
time to get one one of those bug A salt guns.
Maybe we should get one for Kevin for a sort
of belated birthday present. Those bug A salt guns you
know where you just they don't have batteries or anything.

(37:14):
You just load a little bit of table salt in
there and you're abitor stalk the flyers at your place.
Thank you for that suggestion. Right now, it's seven to.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Ten, giving you the inside scoop on all you need
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Speaker 3 (37:33):
Margaret Moth was a New Zealand camera woman who went
from Dunners and Even where she worked for DNTV two
to TV one, to the Real big Time, the international
big Time. When CNN was introduced, Margaret Moth got a
job as a camera woman and ended up filming all
around the world. But of nineteen ninety two, right in

(37:54):
the middle of the Yugoslavian War, she was filming in
sniper at Alley in Sardajovo when she was shot. She
was there with Christian Amanpor a couple of big name
CNN reporters managed to be evacuated. Despite it all being
kind of touch and go, she survived and after lots
of rehabilitative surgeries, made her way back to war zones,

(38:16):
where she continued filming for many years to follow. Her
story has been told in the most extraordinary way by
Key we screen legend Lucy Lawless. So Lucy's going to
be with us right after ten o'clock to give us
Margaret's story and tell us all about the film as
well as that we'll have your screen time picks for
this week and tips from our money and personal finance
expert on an alternative to trying to time the market.

(38:40):
Why buying at the bottom of the market isn't necessarily
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Speaker 3 (39:22):
Not any of You Ejactaime on Newstalk zb and. For
the first time ever, Lucy Lawless has made the shift
from actor to director in a new documentary about another
key we icon of the big screen, Margaret Moth. Margaret
was a character, to say the least, a bit of
an unconventional war correspondent who thrived in her decades filming

(39:46):
in war zones around the world. The documentary is called
Never look Away.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
For Better or for Worse.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
War is an amazing field.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
But didn't seem to feel the same way.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
She was the first camera woman for television New Zealand.
She looked so rock and roll twenty four to seven.
A female cameraman and a male dominated world. That definitely
gave her a charge.

Speaker 13 (40:12):
I've never made anything about being a female. She just
did it. Look at me, here's the camera.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
This is what I do, direk de. Lucy Lawless is
with us this morning. Killed a good morning Yoda.

Speaker 13 (40:25):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
I know this is a question that you answer over
the course of the documentary, but I'm hoping you can
give us a bit of a snapshot. Who is Margaret Moth.

Speaker 13 (40:35):
Margaret Moth was a kick ass woman from New Zealand
who ran off and became a CNN camera person at
the at the start of twenty four to seven News
and found her place.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
In the world.

Speaker 13 (40:51):
Unfortunately, the world that she chose meant that she was
on the receiving end of a sniper's bullet in Sarajeva
and got her face blown off and then things get
really crazy. So she did not die.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
No, she didn't die. And I mean she is I
mean she's someone I can say that's working in the
news business, you know, like she is a legend of
an absolute bona fide, top of the pyramid legend in
New Zealand news. But obviously you have worked over the
years in different parts of television. So how did you
come across her story?

Speaker 13 (41:26):
Well, I was approached by her best friend, Joe Duran,
who's in the.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Film, and.

Speaker 13 (41:32):
He said, Hey, do you want to make a film
about my friend Margaret Moth? And I was so swept
up in this crazy sensation of this woman who many
years before in nineteen ninety two when she was shot
by that bullet in Sarajova. The news report was so

(41:53):
captivating that everything that I know about Margaret Moth had
to have happened in that report in that week when
they were, you know, not sure whether she was going
to survive or not. I hadn't thought about her since,
But in that moment that I received the email, I
wrote back immediately, I mean within ninety seconds, making all

(42:13):
these crazy promises which I had no business doing. So
I will find the money, I will find the producers.
The story has to be told. And I didn't realize
that what I was now participating in was actually bringing
Margaret home in a way, because she had left New
Zealand under a cloud of mystery, which is really really fascinating.

(42:35):
But I couldn't prove it, so I couldn't I couldn't
use it in the documentary. But she never came back
for many many years, till her mother was dying. Only
once did she come back. Yeah, so I wanted to
bring her home. I think that's New Zealanders know about her.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I think it's such a nice way to think about it,
bringing her home, because she was like she was someone
who she started her career in New Zealand working in
TV news, but then kind of spread her wings and
was clearly she was It was almost like, I mean,
she's obviously a complex person. It's almost like she was
running from something a because she she sort of went

(43:13):
to the most opposite to New Zealand like environments you
could possibly imagine that we're talking about, yes, bag Dad
Aganista Sutover during the siege, Like these places are about
as far from New Zealand as you can get in
every sense, don't you think.

Speaker 13 (43:30):
Right, But in between there was eight or nine years
of lying fallow in Texas, of all places, where she
was basically taking drugs, hitting the punk scene and working
her way through the news hierarchy there, you know, just
trying to get a gig. She worked in a hospital,
she did all these other jobs. She painted houses, did

(43:52):
anything to keep alive before we found out that she
was working for CNN.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she she She had this amazing, amazing
line that you shared in the film, in which she
sees that she always thought it was funny that people
spend their lives saving for retirement, and she knew that
she would never be financially wealthy in retirement, but that

(44:17):
she would feel rich because of her experiences.

Speaker 13 (44:21):
Yes, she was hungry for experience and sensation. I think, Yeah,
something in her childhood made her and you know what,
I felt that too, and maybe a lot of New Zealanders.
Do you know, we come from a little, tiny, safe
country and she's always proud of New Zealand. At the
bottom of the world. Your eyes are big and your
ears are open for everything and the rest of the world.

(44:44):
You know, you're hungry to discover what else lies out there.
That's why we go on this oe business traditionally, that's
part of being a key. We've been raised in this
lovely little jewel of the land at the bottom of
the world.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
So do you think that was the driving ambition for Margaret,
that she just wanted to have lots of experiences and
that's what ultimately led her to being in war zones?
Or do you think there was you know that there
were other dimensions to you know, to whatever it was
that led her to those parts of the world.

Speaker 13 (45:16):
Okay, well, what I'm going to say my inference is
not what she would say, yeah, you know, because she
would just say she was hungry for experience. She wanted to.
She had this insatiable curiosity, and that's true, that seems
to be true. But I do think that she had
experienced some amount of trauma in her childhood, that she
had kind of had this vibration of chaos within her,

(45:39):
you know, so to be in a chaotic environment like
war was where she felt most comfortable because, in my opinion,
it mirrored her in her life, you know, her in
her hunger for extreme sensation.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah, I think I think it did such a good
job in telling her story because one thing that makes
it really difficult is that when you are a camera person,
by definition, you are behind the camera, which means that
when you're trying to tell the story of her being
in these different environments and these really kind of high
streets experiences and traumatic experiences and war zones and stuff like,

(46:18):
the pictures that you have are pictures that she's taken
rather than ones that she's necessarily participated in. So how
did you kind of navigate that?

Speaker 7 (46:25):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (46:26):
That was so hard. It was extremely difficult to find
images of Margaret. The ones that we had were either
in her suitcase of treasures that she left to Joe,
or I was just got on the blower in New
Zealand and talked to one friend who gave me the

(46:47):
number for another friend. And then this fabulous man called
Paul john said, Mosco with Margaret. I think I've got
some sixteen mil film of Margaret's staring straight down the
barrel of the lens. We were doing this warhole esque
project at art school. Would you like it? I said,
yes please, So that footage we had it digitized, and

(47:08):
that footage starts and ends the movie. So I really
thank mister Johns for that and the other bet the
other bed. I found her working by doing research on
this horrible massacre in Lebanon, and I was watching looking
on YouTube hours at the start and I wait a minute,
back it up. Was that Margaret on the ground with

(47:28):
her camera and there was evidence of Margaret in the
back of other camera people's shots. So it's just by
dumb luck and assiduity I found that.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
So it's rare enough for New Zealand journalists to be,
you know, working for CNN and in these kind of
war zones during this period, But just how uncommon was
it to have a female camera person in you know,
in the in these kind of places.

Speaker 13 (47:59):
Well, definitely there are standout even then, but I will
say Margaret was part of a slew of female journalists
and crew who were absorbed into this new form of
news which was CNN, right Ted. Ted Turner was like,
if they are qualified and willing to go, I'm going

(48:19):
to send them. So a lot of women into the
workforce at that time, as as I guess, war is
always like that. It's always brings a lot of women
into the workforce.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Right yeah, yeah, Because I mean she's working alongside some
you know, legionds like Christiana I'm I'm poor and you know, yes,
I mean, you know, the best known international and war
correspondence of the last few generations.

Speaker 13 (48:45):
At you believe I got her on screen. I couldn't
have counted on that, But it was as a favorite
job out of respect for Margaret. She did it because
the day that we interviewed Christian was the day that
Ukraine was invaded and all the journalists were pinned in
the red. They just want to get there there there

(49:06):
there their trauma bondage to the job, in my opinion,
and maybe that's what it was with Margaret and wore
her trauma inside matched the trauma outside. You know what,
I've never thought of that before, but that's that's exactly
what I was trying to say before. Yes, so it
was extremely generous of Christiane to give us that time

(49:29):
in the Margaret Moth room at CNN in London.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Yeah, that observation is, that's that's so on point, because
if you think about it, it's like it's like the
stuff that she sees and wre the horrors that she
saw and more kind of kind of gave meaning to
whatever crazy feelings she had buried inside or something.

Speaker 7 (49:53):
Eh.

Speaker 13 (49:53):
Yeah, and her sense of justice and rage. You know,
she had quite a volcanic, volcanic rage within her that
would pop out at odd moments, but it kind of
I think it made sense on some disgusting plane for her, like, yeah, look,
this is how people behave. I knew it. I knew
it from my childhood.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Here it is, you know.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
So one of the things that made the Siege of
Sardajevo unique was that it's really the first time in
a conflict of that size that journalists have been deliberately targeted.
And of course it's coinciding with this advent of CNN,
So you've got this demand for twenty four hour News

(50:36):
tell us what happened to Margaret in Sardajeva.

Speaker 13 (50:40):
So the only time Margaret ever got shot, she was injured.
She was in the back of the van with her
colleagues and they were going to do a run of
the mill story out at the airport, and instead of
going around the tortuous back ways, somebody insisted that the
driver goes straight down sniper Alley. And they must have

(51:03):
sort of cringed. But you just grin and bear it.
You just get on with your job. You know, it's
not her place to say these things. Anyway, she just
happened to be the unlucky person in the back of
the van who got their face blown off. And the
man who made that decision it kind of ruined his life.

(51:24):
He never forgave himself.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah, I mean it was really touch and go, right, Like,
they get her out of there, they rush her off.
She's flying to the US for treatment, still super super
touch and go. And then she has that amazing line
where she says she wants to return to Sudajovo so
that she can collect her teeth.

Speaker 13 (51:44):
Wanted to find her teeth, And Jack, did you know
that I found her teeth? What found her teeth?

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Where were her teeth?

Speaker 13 (51:53):
In the back of the driver's head. A cushion of
the bullet was so extreme that it shattered all her teeth,
and all the shards ended up in the back of
his teeth or minute of them. And for years he
would be in the shower'd be sort of washing his
head and go, what's that little trickle thing? And it
will think out onto the tiles. And I tried to

(52:16):
put it in the film, but the New zeal Film
commissioner was like, oh, everybody begged me not to because
it seemed disrespectful. I was like, Margaret Warld'll love.

Speaker 17 (52:24):
It, Yeah, she would, I love it, But to be honest,
it didn't totally fit anywhere in the in the film,
so it got lost.

Speaker 13 (52:34):
But it's an interesting little water cooler moment I would
have liked to include.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Yeah, that's amazing. So how did you feel at the
end of it about the directing process? This is something
you would like to do a bit more.

Speaker 13 (52:46):
Yeah, I'm like totally hooked now. I don't know why
I didn't do it in the last thirty years when
I could have. I've been offered the chance many times
and I just always found it such a rotten job.
But now that I've directed a little independent documentary style film,

(53:06):
I'm now hungry to do it again, probably a narrative
one of the actors this time, since that's really what
I understand best. So I'm working on a number of scripts,
and you know, I've got to go and try to
get funded somewhere in the world. And yeah, I'm just
hustling like everybody else.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
It's good. Well, I mean, for a first crackt director,
you did such a good job, especially directing into the documentary.
You did such a good job. You really, I just
I think you did. If you were aspiring to bring
Margaret home with the story, I think you more than
achieved that.

Speaker 13 (53:37):
So can go to great thank you. That's and I
will say I had help. You know, I had great colleagues,
so it definitely is a team effort. But thank you
on behalf of all of us where we're proud of that.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
We appreciate your time. That is Lucy Lawless, the director
of the new documentary Never Look Away about Key Wee
camera woman Margaret Moth now Never Look Away, as premiering
tonight eight thirty pm on the rialto channel and it
has encore screenings throughout March and April. All of the
details are at rialto channel, dot co, dot enz. Before

(54:12):
eleven o'clock on News Talk ZEDB Well, it seemed like
it was only going to be a matter of time.
Apple talked a massive game about the capacity for AI.
That's not artificial intelligence, it's Apple Intelligence. When they were
selling their last iPhone, they said it could do all
sorts of amazing new things with an Apple Intelligence powered Siri.

(54:33):
But it turns out it can't, So bring on the lawsuits.
Our Textbert has all the details for you very shortly.
Next up your screen time picks for this weekend. If
you're looking for a good series to watch your stream
at home. Right now, it's twenty two minutes past ten.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Jack
Team and bpuret dot code ont INZD for high quality supplements,
use talks edb Hi.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Jack says Adam. I've heard of Margaret Moth before, but
fantastic to hear a little bit of detail from Lucy Lawless.
Really looking forward to seeing that for Never look Away.
Eight thirty tonight on Rialto is the debut screening, and
like I say, there are going to be a few
more screenings over the next few weeks. We're gonna have
all the details on the News Talks. He'd be website
if you want to watch it as well. It is
screen time time on News Talks. He'd be tar Awards

(55:20):
here as she is this time every Saturday with her
screen time picks for this week. Calvatara gotta jack. Okay,
let's be give With a new show streaming on Netflix,
tell us about the Residents.

Speaker 18 (55:32):
Yeah, this is a quirky new American drama that's been
produced by Shonda Rimes, who, of course is a powerhouse
in American television. She's made shows like Gray's Anatomy and
Scandal and Bridgeton and this time she's venturing into comedy
with this new murder mystery called The Residence, which is
inspired by a book about the behind the scenes private
world of the White House, and it's about a murder

(55:54):
that takes place in the White House on the night
of a state dinner with the Australian Prime Minister.

Speaker 12 (56:00):
The White House.

Speaker 18 (56:00):
Chief Usher is discovered dead and it becomes a who
done it? In a building film with lots of different
floors and rooms and hundreds of staff who all have
very different and unusual roles in the White House, and
it's taking us behind the facade and capturing all the
politics behind the politics. And Uzo Aduba plays Cordelia Kupp,

(56:22):
who is this wonderfully unorthodox detective who's in charge of
the investigation. She has some very quirky ways of narrowing
down the suspects. And the show feels a bit like
Knives Out. It's satirical, it's very stylish. It jumps back
and forward in time. It does take a bit of
time to find its feet, and it's at its best
when Cordelia cup is on the screen. But you know,

(56:43):
very light and entertaining and a very easy watch.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Yeah, nice, cool, Okay, That's the Residence is on Netflix,
on Disney Plus. Good American Family.

Speaker 12 (56:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (56:53):
This is a new drama series that stars Alan Pompeo
and Mark du Plas, and it's based on a very
strange real life story about an American family who adopted
a young girl in twenty ten who had a form
of Dwarfism, and the family later claimed that the child,
Natalia Grace, was actually an adult who was trying to
scam them, And it's a story that's gone through the

(57:15):
tabloids and been through the courts and had documentaries made
about it already. But this drama tells the story of
the adoption and what happens afterwards a little bit differently.
The first four episodes tell it from the parents perspective,
and then halfway through it switches and it tells it
again from the daughter's viewpoint. So it's trying to challenge
everything you think you know about the story and make

(57:37):
your question who is really telling the truth here and
who you can rely on. I mean, it's quite a
tragic case no matter which way you look at it.
I found this quite an uncomfortable watch. And the show
starts with this huge legal disclaimer, so you know this
isn't going to be straightforward. But the tone of this
is quite uneasy, like something is on edge the whole

(57:58):
way through, and that's quite deliberate, but it's quite heavy handed.
It's almost sort of verging into horror territory. So not
for everyone, perhaps, but a show for people who who
like an unusual true crime drama or have already been
following this story and watched all the documentaries and things.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Yeah, Okay, sounds curious. It's always interesting when you start
a show and the big legal disklimber at the top.

Speaker 18 (58:19):
Yeah, a lot going on behind that saying.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Nothing was like that as well. I remember that. It
was like yeah, yeah, yeah, note to self. Okay, last,
but not least on Neon, tell us about The Leftovers.

Speaker 12 (58:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (58:33):
The Leftovers is an HBO series that first came out
in twenty fourteen, but all three seasons have just landed
on Neon. And if you're in the mood this weekend
to binge watch something that's gritty and dystopian and a
bit supernatural, This is definitely worth a look. It's set
three years after an unexplained event called the Sudden Departure,
where two percent of the population around the world have

(58:55):
mysteriously disappeared, and it's about a community of people in
New York who are trying to adjust to this new
reality and work out what actually happened. And you know,
lots of religious cults of forming that the power balances
are pretty pretty unstable and society is pretty fragile. So
it's it's quite dystopian and a bit grim, but it
does have this amazing all star cast justin throw stars

(59:18):
in this as the local police chief. It's also got
Carrie Kerhn, Liv Tyler, Christopher Eckerston, Margaret Qually, Regina King.
Just this really impressive cast and it was created by
Damon Lindeloff, who was the showrunner of Lost. And it
has that similar surreal you know, it's a little bit
confusing vibe of loss. You're not quite sure where you
are the whole time. So if you like Lost, or

(59:39):
you like shows like The Last of Us or from
I think you're like.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
This as well.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Okay, but have you watched it the whole way through? Like,
can you tell us that it's going to have a
slightly more satisfying finish than.

Speaker 18 (59:47):
Most I can't guarantee it, okay, you know, yeah, I
don't know answers, Yeah, exactly. That's the journey you'll go on.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Very good. Okay, Hey, thank you so much, really appreciate
your time. As always, we'll put all of those screen
time picks from Tara up on the news Talks. He'd
b website those shows once again. The Residence is on Netflix.
Good American Family is the one with the legal disclaimer
that's streaming on Disney Plus, and The Leftovers is on neon.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks A B.

Speaker 19 (01:00:32):
You Come, Come Me, got the Light of the Sky,
she come be your side and go Johnie and.

Speaker 20 (01:00:46):
How you laying.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Something a little bit different Pree Saturday Morning. We like
to mix things up, you know how it is. This
is k pop. Obviously, k pop or Korean pop has
taken the world by storm in the last decade or so.
And Black Pink, who are the artists behind this song,
are a Korean girl group who are just like an
absolute kind of super nova when it comes to k

(01:01:10):
pop supergroups. Their music emphasizes maximalism, pandemodium, but when they
shifted their focus to Western audiences, it kind of changed
the music they were producing because you know that the
American pop music is a lot more kind of stylistically
conservative than some of the music and Korea. Because of that,
Black Pink ended up taking a bit of a break.

(01:01:32):
There are four members and in their time of part
they have all released solo albums. The last member of
Black Pink to do that is Jenny. Jenny has been
called one of the most famous and influential K pop
stars of her generation. No biggie, but also no shame
if you haven't heard of her. We're going to make
sure you know who she is by the end of
the show though a lot of people wanted to hear

(01:01:53):
how she's made the transition from Black Pink member to
solo artists. So before midday, we're going to listen to
her debut album. The album's called Ruby, so we're going
to pick out a couple of songs and get our
music reviewers thoughts on that as well. Before eleven o'clock
we're in the garden. Plus, our money guy has tips
on alternatives for trying to time the market and buying

(01:02:15):
the bottom of the market. He's got some really useful
alternatives to that. Next up our texperts, and it's twenty
five to eleven Non News dog zby.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 21 (01:02:28):
We're out of recession Q four zero point seven? Are
we on our way? The Finance Minister Nikola Willis Wells,
does the zero point seven on GDP give you hope
that the tail of the jobs which legs of course
might end a little bit or peak a little bit
sooner than we thought or it is what it is.

Speaker 20 (01:02:44):
Well, we have seen the forecasts for unemployment coming off
a little bit since we came to government. As you've seen,
employment is the last thing to recover when an economy
goes through a Timelin New Zealand hairs. The forecasts are
that will peak halfway through the year and then it's
going to keep beisa in the second half of the year.
That's consistent with what I'm seeing in the economy.

Speaker 21 (01:03:04):
Back Monday from six am, casking Breakfast with the Rain,
drove of the last news talk.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
ZB twenty two to eleven non newstalk ZBAT was only
a matter of time this time last week, in fact,
I was asking our textbert Paul Stenhouse about Apple Intelligence,
Apple's much much hyped new technology that it turns out
does not live up to the hype, at least not yet.
So yes, the lawsuits have begun. Paul's with us again
this morning. This was no great surprise, Paul.

Speaker 7 (01:03:32):
No good.

Speaker 22 (01:03:32):
We're so ahead of the times on the on the
Saturday mornings ZEB show, aren't we, Jack, This is where
you come for breaking news and real analysis.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
But yeah, we called it right because.

Speaker 22 (01:03:41):
As we've both experienced, you look at these new iPhones
and you say, it's supposed to do all this really
amazing stuff, and you hear Apple, and I think as well.
Apple over the years has built up such a reputation
of trust that when they say that they're going to
do something, as this lawsuit kind of mentions, you really
do expect that they're going to come through on it, right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
You have a real belief.

Speaker 22 (01:04:03):
That the thing that you thought you were going to
be able to do, you're going to be able to do.
And well you kind of can't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
And so, yeah, there's been a.

Speaker 22 (01:04:12):
Lawsuit over here taken up by a law firm where
are really trying to start a class action lawsuit on
behalf of all of the iPhone sixteen owners. And really
at the center of it is one ad in particular
that shows Bella Ramsey. Now you may know the Ramsey name,
Gordon Ramsey's daughter. She's in Game of Thrones and The
Last of Us. She's in one of these new ads

(01:04:33):
that was showing Siri basically being able to pull up
the details of someone based on you know, very personal
information that was in your.

Speaker 15 (01:04:42):
Messages and in your calendar.

Speaker 22 (01:04:44):
Surri can't do that, and it's probably going to be
quite some time before Siri can do that. And that
is now this one ad is now the basis of
this lawsuit in federal court.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
It's amazing because Apple is just like I think we
said last week, it's not like Apple to kind of
I mean to advertise technology that they don't actually have,
you know, to kind of oversell under delivery. Yeah, really
rare for them.

Speaker 6 (01:05:07):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:05:07):
They usually they usually will talk about things and then
actually it's like it always says that in.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
The next release of iOS, yeah, you'll be able.

Speaker 22 (01:05:15):
To do this, or when you get the next nighte Phone,
you'll be able to do something. And I honestly think
that that that kind of precedent that they have and
that trust they have will probably be a really big
part of the suit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. Hey, TikTok has removed
its chubby filter.

Speaker 22 (01:05:30):
I know this is you know, usually these filters are fun, right,
These filters are usually you you know, they put some
silly makeup on you or some glam or they have
some vintage effects, or they put.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
You in the ocean. They're kind of fun.

Speaker 22 (01:05:40):
This filter here was well a little interesting jacket added
a few pounds to you. So you put the filter
on of you, or you uploaded a photo, so I
guess it could be your view or a friend or
an enemy, I guess, And you know, it kind of
led you into believing what maybe you could look like
if you had, you know, a few too many snacks.

(01:06:02):
And while people started posting there before and after pictures,
and I think this is where it got me. People
started posting that They're like, I actually don't look too
bad chubby, you know, and then they didn't go down
well with some Well, TikTok has now said they have
removed the filter. It was actually created by one of
their sis the companies as part of the kind of

(01:06:23):
bite dance whole family.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
But they've removed this filter.

Speaker 22 (01:06:26):
TikTok's not going to be recommending these videos in the algorithm,
and the chubby filter is no more.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Yeah, and finally, Paul Google says news is basically worthless
to their ad business.

Speaker 22 (01:06:36):
I know, did this did you get a slight dagger
to the heart the other.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
It's only about the three thousandth this year. I don't worry.

Speaker 22 (01:06:43):
You probably get this yelled at you in the streets.

Speaker 7 (01:06:45):
No.

Speaker 22 (01:06:46):
So Google ran an experiment where in eight European countries,
they took away all of the news results for one
percent of the audience. They did it for two and
a half months, and the result was basically, they saw
no impact at all. In fact, their press release was
I think kind of brutal. It said that could not
quote be statistically distinguished.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
From zero ouch.

Speaker 22 (01:07:09):
So in the EU, Google has to pay news publishers
to use snippets of their content. And when they go
into the next negotiation, I mean, they're kind of going
to have the other hand because if they're saying that
their ad business the thing that basically.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Powers Google search, right for Google.

Speaker 22 (01:07:27):
Anyway, right, that's the thing that runs the whole business
selling the ads at the top. If you can turn
off all of the news content and it doesn't change
anything to do with the Google Ads business, it doesn't
look good for those publishers. And Google even said in
their press release that, hey, publishers, they think may be
slightly overvaluing the you know, their product.

Speaker 15 (01:07:48):
Of course, this is just one metric.

Speaker 22 (01:07:50):
You could have a very good argument that hey, maybe
for the Google brand or maybe for the good of society,
maybe the news should probably still be in those search results.
But hey, when it comes to the actual business metrics. Statistically,
they couldn't distinguish it from zero.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Oh yeah, that's brutal, it is. Thanks Paul, our texpert,
Paul Stanhouse. Then seventeen to eleven on Newstalk ZB we're
talking money next.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
No bitter way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tam and vp
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Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
To eleven on Newstalk zedb Ed mcnight from Obi's Partners
is here with us this morning. We're talking money ed
and an alternative to trying to time the market, because
buying at the bottom of the market is all well
and good in principle, but of course timing the market
is nigh impossible, and you've got a better option dollar
cost averaging. So yeah, why is this better than trying

(01:08:46):
to time the market? Do you reckon?

Speaker 7 (01:08:48):
Well?

Speaker 23 (01:08:48):
I suppose us key Wes have this obsession about trying
to invest at the absolute lowest point in the market.
And I think implicit in that is this idea that
buying at the bottom of the market gives you the
lowest price.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
But that's not always true.

Speaker 23 (01:09:04):
And I remember reading an example from a great book,
Girls That invest Who was written by a friend of mine,
some Curve, and she gave this awesome example about, well,
what if you started forty years ago and you put
two hundred dollars a month into investments, but you jack
in this case, you're a market timing genius and you're
able to perfectly predict the bottom of the market. So

(01:09:26):
you start forty years ago, you put your two hundred
dollars a week away, and you save it. You save
it the next month as well, you save it the
next month as well, and as soon as the market crashes,
your pile and your money, and you keep doing this
for forty years. Well, after forty years you would have
made about nine hundred and fifty grand, which is a
great great nest egg. You'd be very happy with that
over forty years shows you the power of compounding interest.

(01:09:49):
But Leeds say, in said forty years ago, you said, Okay,
I've got my two hundred dollars a month, but I'm
just going to put it into investments and shares, and
I'm not going to care whether the markets aren't the
markets down, I'm just going to do it. Well, blow
me down, you forty years later would have just under
one point four million dollars in the bank. And I thought,
this is fascinating. So why does this happen. Well, it's

(01:10:10):
because share markets and all asset markets tend to increase
in value over time. And so I'll give you an
example that'll make that a little bit clearer. The bottom
of the market for the S and P five hundred,
they had a bit of a dip September twenty twenty two.
There was a bottom of the market. But if you
invested into an index tracking fund at any time before

(01:10:33):
March twenty twenty one, you would have had a cheaper price. Right,
I'll give you another example. Market bottom down S and
P five hundred again, March twenty twenty COVID lockdowns. But
if you'd invested in an index tracking fund any time
before September twenty seventeen, you would have got in at
a cheaper price. And so what sometimes people think markets

(01:10:55):
do is they start at ten dollars, they go to
twenty dollars, they go to ten dollars, they go to
twenty dollars. But that's not how it works. All types
of assets tend to increase in value over time. And
so often the you get in, the cheaper price you'll
get and often lower than the bottom of the market.
I've got one more example for you, just in terms

(01:11:15):
of property prices as well. So again I work with
investors a lot. They all want to buy at the
bottom of the market. Well, the bottom of the market
in Auckland was twenty twenty four. But again, if you
had purchased an investment property or any sort of property
at any time before September twenty twenty, you would have
bought at the lower price. December two thousand and eight

(01:11:35):
there was a crash again because of the GFC, but
if you had bought it any time before January two
thousand and six, you would have got in again at
a lower price. And so I just want to challenge
Kiwis to think, Hey, it's not always about trying to
time the market perfectly, because you probably can't do that anyway,
But it's about continuously investing through the ups and through

(01:11:58):
the downs, and often you'll come out better than just
even if you were able to time that market perfectly.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
I think it's you have to sort of almost break
with the kind of intuition, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
you have to, Like it's a classic like using logic
and rational thinking to kind of, yeah, to override what
your natural impulses might be.

Speaker 23 (01:12:22):
I think it's just about resetting our expectations around. Well, yes,
we do want to get the lowest price possible so
we can make them both the best gains possible. But
it's just well, what's going to do that for us?
Is it going to be trying to time the market
perfectly or is it realizing we can't do that and
actually the better returns come in by getting into the
market sooner. And I think we all do this anyway

(01:12:43):
with our Kiwi Savers. Yea, even if there's a market crash.
It's not like we all go and say, right, let
me raise my contributions now I want to put more
into Kiwi Saver. We just keep doing our three percent
to our four percent every single week, month, fortnite. However,
often we get paid and one day you open up
your bank cap and you're really surprised at actually whether
the market was up or whether the market was down.

(01:13:05):
I actually did okay out of us.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Yeah, it also means you can kind of save yourself
the anxiety that comes with the volatility especially with the
stop market like it is right now, right up and
down and up and down, and the president who can
tweet out something and things change in a moment. You know,
you can save yourself all of that anxiety by just
trying to form a habit. We're by you dollar cost
average over time. Thank you so much. Those are fascinating

(01:13:28):
examples and we really appreciate it. That's eveningnight from Obey's
Partners with us. This morning. In a couple of minutes,
we are in the garden on news talks. He'd be
right now. It's ten to eleven, gardening.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
With still shaft free autumn upgrades on Still's best sellers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Rude Clime passes our man in the garden. He's with
us now, Hey, Rude.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Hello, Jack?

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Is everything all right where you are?

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Everything is very well? Thank you? I even managed, would
you believe? I reckon? It's seven hours of sleep last night,
so you know, I know, feeling positively live and youthful
and energized and.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
Lovely.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Yeah. Yeah, you have been well, making mates in the
garden as you always do. You've been visiting Sanctuary Mountain
in mangatotally.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:14:14):
Have you been there?

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
I haven't no, but I've heard great, okay, beautiful right.

Speaker 7 (01:14:19):
It's three thousand, four hundred hectares of habitat if you like,
and it's been made prayer to free. They've got three
caca pop. They've got fewer now because they keep on
escaping the little so and so.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:14:32):
Yeah, they climb into a tree and then they saw down.
But that's another story. We've got take the stitchbird settle
back Kaka, but they've also got two thousand or probably
more North Island brown kiwi.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:14:44):
So, as a as a person who's on the Kiwi Trust,
we had our meeting there, but that's not really what
struck me.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
We have meetings quite often. I mean, you know that's
not the point.

Speaker 7 (01:14:54):
But the cold thing is, there's took you to a school,
so I'll get back to that school in a moment.
It's literally on the on the on the inside or
the outside of the of Mangato three and we visited
that as well. So this is basically a place where
as a trust, we started all this time when John
Key was Prime Minister to to try to change the

(01:15:16):
minus two percent decrease of kiwi in New Zealand to
a plus two percent increase, and so this became one
of the if you like, co hung out kiwi, which
of course is the kiwi breeding side, if you like. Oh,
they're like like kindergarten, if you like. And John McLennan
decided that that was made in the qustice. So I decided,

(01:15:38):
this is what we're going to do. We're going to
put the heck of a lot of good kiwi in there.
We make sure they're not going to be eaten by
stoats and ferrets and all that sort of nonsense. And
then what we're going to do is when they're about
a year or so old or more than a kilo
in a bit, we're going to take them two places
where they can breed elsewhere where they can live elsewhere
Capital Kiwi, Wellington, Tongariro, Taranaki, Manga, that sort of stuff. Now, yeah,

(01:16:04):
if this is a fab this is actually a world
renowned trick to look after yours, your native species.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
And that is so cool. So yeah, so that's how
that went.

Speaker 7 (01:16:17):
So lastly it was that two and twenty two or so,
and this year we're probably getting more than that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 7 (01:16:23):
But the birds are caught at night they're given a
tag sometimes a transponder, and they're kept in a little
guiden literally a little part of that mangatozi ready for that,
so that we got laid ten twenty thirty for them
in a bus.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
This will we drive them to wherever they need to go.
But now comes the thing. The kids that pok you
to a primary school.

Speaker 7 (01:16:47):
They see all those gar we come in because they've
got a spare classroom which is basically a science part
for them to totally see and record what's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
How old they are. Isn't it cool? How old they are?
So whether they're male or female, how they are, how
is their health?

Speaker 7 (01:17:06):
Oh and there are ticks on their legs, oh and
that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Yeah, and it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
Is such a cool, cool thing. So these kids literally
learn a lot about what's happening with those birds, how
we can literally look after them, restore their numbers and
all that sort of stuff. And it is this. Have
you did you have been at primary school?

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
I did, but not to that extent, never with a
keywing like that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
There you go, So that's what it is.

Speaker 7 (01:17:39):
So you can actually go and have a look there,
and you can go and Magadogi of course, and you
can see it all happen. But there you are it
and I just want to say, this is it brilliant?

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
I got to say too, go I have a look
at the photos. There are a couple of fantastic photos
that Rude has taken and sheared that. We'll make sure
you're available on the news. Dogs'd be websites. You can
have a look weird too. Thank you so much, sir.
We'll catch up again soon. It's almost eleven o'clock on Newstalks.
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Used talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Poor old Wellington. I feel like Wellington has been kind
of unnecessarily beaten up on a little bit lately. You know,
they used to call it the callers Little Capital. It
was only a couple of years ago. Now everyone's saying,
oh Wellington's dead or the CBD's struggling. Look, I'm not
suggesting for a moment that the capital isn't going through
a bit of a tough period. But there are still
so many things to love about Wellington, so much good food,

(01:19:02):
so much good coffee. Anyway, we're going to catch up
with their travel correspondent very shortly. He agrees with me,
he reckons there are some fantastic spots in Wellington that
are being kind of overlooked in some of the commentary.
At the moment, he's going to give us his top tips,
bites and sights in Wellington. Then before midday we're going
to play some of this new album by the artist Jenny.
Jenny is a part of Blackpink, which is one of

(01:19:23):
the biggest K pop bands of the last few years.
They've gone on a bit of a group hiatus and
all of the members of the group have gone out
and recorded their own solo album. So she's just released
her album. It's been really really keenly anticipated and even
if you haven't listened to much K pop before, I
think there's good reason to have a bit of a
listen to some of the music on this album. We'll
get our music reviews thoughts on that very shortly as well.

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Right now it is eight minutes past eleven, though, in
time to catch up with our sustainability commentator Kate Hall
aka ethically Kate, who's with us this morning, killed her
well did that. He's going very good. Thank you. This
morning you were with us with some really simple practical
tips on how to ask brands about the ethical and
sustainable practices. Why does this matter?

Speaker 24 (01:20:06):
I think as consumers we get very passive and we think, oh,
you know, a brand's not going to reply to us,
or you know, what does my kind of opinion matter?

Speaker 15 (01:20:14):
And can you know what?

Speaker 24 (01:20:15):
Can I ask brands about the supply chains and and
things like that, And it's important that we do ask
and realize actually, we can be active consumers and active
and our purchasing decisions. And we need to be because
we need to make sure that the people who are
making our products are paid fairly. That knowing what things
are made with so we can care for them, you know,

(01:20:37):
as best as we can. Yeah, it's important that we
become far more active in our consumption rather than just
mindlessly grabbing it and not thinking about its whole life
cycle or who made it.

Speaker 7 (01:20:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Nice. Okay, So you've got some simple questions where you
can go and ask a brand or ask someone a
representative of the brand what they've done. And you've kind
of crafted these over the last few years. So what
would be your advice to listeners when they're when they're
asking these questions of brands, if they want to know
about a brand's kind of sustainability creeds.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:21:07):
So I've worked on this list for probably actually the
last nine years, and I've I've tried. Obviously, I have
the privilege of this being my job and being able
to ask all these questions to brands, and I've crafted
the questions in a way that gets the best out
of the brand, because you know, you can get some
pretty some pretty and no basic and poor and kind

(01:21:29):
of tokenistic answers. Yeah, there is, there is, and I
look for like, I have this list of questions which
we can go through, but I I always look for like,
I'm not looking for particular answers. There's no kind of
It's not like a Homewok test and you you can
quiz and like technical you got that one right, you know, sustainable,

(01:21:51):
sustainability and ethics all very there's It's not black and white.
So I look for transparency and honesty.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
You know, I have a brand.

Speaker 24 (01:22:00):
One of the first questions I ask is where your
all your products and materials source from and how they produced?
And if a brand goes we source all of our
fabrics one hundred percent sustainably from you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Know, that is a red flag.

Speaker 24 (01:22:15):
That is, you know, sustainably according to what metric you know, sustainable.
It's every single brand, you know, even all the amazing
sustainable brands I work with. Everyone has something they need
to work on. So I look for transparency and a
brand being able to say, hey, yep, they you know,
here's some information and as much information as possible is

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really great, but you know, we're not doing these things
right yet, and we're working on this. Yeah, and that's
when I'd be way more likely to purchase from them,
you know, and to support them.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Yeah. Yeah, you want a brand that has enough kind
of honesty. I suppose that they can acknowledge that they're
they're imperfect. Right. Any any brand that immediately says it's
a nailing it, there's something a bit fishy there. Yeah,
So let's talk to some of these questions. First of all,
where are all your product and material source from and

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how are they produced? That's a big one, right.

Speaker 15 (01:23:09):
Yes, I mean that's huge.

Speaker 24 (01:23:11):
That's usually the one that Yeah, especially when I'm vetting
brands to put them on my ethical directory, it's usually
the longest list, because you know there may be you know,
even a T shirt may have where are the threads from?
Where's the fabric from?

Speaker 12 (01:23:25):
Where the tach you know?

Speaker 24 (01:23:26):
What about the swing tags?

Speaker 7 (01:23:27):
How?

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:23:29):
The packaging materials. So that's that's a big one because
a lot of the products we buy a mixed materials
or a lot of the stores that we're asking this
question of have multiple different products made from different things.
But that's important to ask. And you know that the
brand should know their supply chains and you know where
they were made.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
You should ask where do your product end up at
the end of their life?

Speaker 24 (01:23:52):
Yes, yep, So like, how can they be recycled and
kept in our resource loops so that they're not just
used for a short amount of time and then end
up in a hole in the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
How are you how are your products shipped to customers?
And what's the New Zealand shipping cost? Why do you
ask both of those?

Speaker 15 (01:24:07):
Yes?

Speaker 24 (01:24:08):
I often ask that because some brands that's a that's
a key one for me because some brands they're like
way overseas and potentially the shipping may cost just as
much as the product or if it's not available. I
mean I'm asking that one too, because I'm wanting to
be able to recommend it to people as a sustainable blogger.

(01:24:30):
So I always ask that around the shipping costs, because
you can get hit with yeah, extra fees and that
type of thing, which isn't sustainable if you can find
something else that is here in New Zealand and not
not shipped around the globe. And a lot of companies
do have a carbon neutral shipping and they're actually factoring
that into their kind of you know, yeah, that how

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they do things in their business.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Yeah, right, you should ask who makes your products and
how do you ensure they're paid to fee awake.

Speaker 24 (01:24:59):
Yes, that's one of my favorite ones. I mean, that's
how ethically Kate and my whole work started was with
this question pretty much.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
Really, yeah, it makes them.

Speaker 24 (01:25:06):
And yeah, do they work in a place where they
get lunch breaks and you know, overpay extra pay if
they work overtime and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Yeah, here's one that I might stumble people or cause
people to stumble the suppose, aside from the people who
make your products, tell me about your team culture.

Speaker 12 (01:25:27):
Yeah, and that's a bit of a wild card.

Speaker 24 (01:25:29):
It's not you know, the classic who made your products.
But I think with sustainability, it's there's a big breadth
to it. So if you're looking at a company and
they may be like, yeah, we make how products sustainably
and India they have like far beyond the living wage
and it's awesome, but they may have people here in

(01:25:52):
New Zealand just working their butts off and earning minimum wage,
or they're kind of not thinking about the diversity of
their models for their products or things like that. That
is sustainability to It goes right down to, you know,
the head off. And I find it really hard actually
because a lot of their sustainable brands run by one
person who doesn't pay themselves a wage. Yeah, you know,

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they're really trying, and you know there is a time
and place for that when you're starting. But I think
this actually gets a lot of small brands thinking because
they're like, oh, shoot, if I need to continue doing
the sustainable business, I actually need to make sure I'm
paying my own rent to in my own costs as well.
So that gets that becomes a really cool conversation that

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often these companies aren't asked.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
So where are you asking them? Are you emailing them? There?
You are you seeing them in person, Like in a
retail shop, you're just going up to someone who's working
there and saying, hey, can I have a couple of minutes.

Speaker 24 (01:26:48):
Yeah, in a retail shop, I've that doesn't work because
usually the retail person is yeah, they're just there. They
actually don't know much about the company or the clothes
or have you made, which I would like to see change.
But it's another point. So usually I via email at
these questions. You can actually even message them on Instagram
or Facebook, you know, as a customer. That's something that

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brands like responding to those questions is in their best interest.

Speaker 12 (01:27:15):
They want you to make a purchase.

Speaker 24 (01:27:17):
They you know, and you deserve to know where your
clothes were made, where your product, any type of products
that you're buying, yeah, where it came from. And we
all need to be far more aware of that so
that we can actually vote with our pocket and buy
things that are from ethically made spaces.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Yeah. I know too that you've got that directory, which
is really helpful, so people can go and say that
you've done the hard work by collating all of the things.
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, but we'll make sure we put
those questions up online as well. Thank you so much, Kate,
and we will catch you again very soon. That is
Kate Hall aka ethically Kate. You can find her on

(01:27:53):
all of the social media platforms by searching ethically Kate.
Sixteen past eleven our travel correspondents are next on newstalk
edb Travel.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Now just coming up to twenty past eleven on Newstalks,
he'd be Markeyardie's our travel correspondent. He is here now,
hey Mike.

Speaker 16 (01:28:12):
Good morning Jack. Now, I know this is doing parochial,
but I'm looking for the third leader, the trifecta great
win by the wars the All Whites. Now we just
need the Crusaders to turn the lights out on the Blues.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Yeah, we do, and hopefully it can have You know,
it can be. It could be one sided in the
same nature as either either the All Whites or indeed
the Chiefs last night, because we've had some one sided
contests this weekend. But yes, yeah, I think I think
there's nothing wrong with a bit of parochialism so long
as it's on behalf of Canterbury.

Speaker 16 (01:28:40):
As far as I'm concerned, we need a Heathrow Airport
style shut down the park tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
My goodness, that's yeah, certainly keeping things of the theme
this morning, I totally agree. It's a it's a it's
a crazy weekend to sport and it was a pretty
big night in the Capitol last night. I think they
had twenty thousand out for the All Whites semi final.
But the Capital has certainly had its fair share of
toil and trouble lately. How is the mood among the

(01:29:11):
kind of hospow operators at the moment?

Speaker 16 (01:29:14):
Well I went for a really good graze across the
capital a few weeks ago, And yes, I mean hospitality
can be a very fluid and fickle industry, as you o, Jack,
But man, that economic downturn in the last year or
two has been so bruising for Wellington operators, particularly the
fact that so many legendary establishments have closed their doors.

(01:29:35):
It's been like a procession of food funerals. But the
good thing I detected a clear upswing in morale amongst
the swagger venues a few weeks ago, and the impression
I got as I gorged my way all over Wellington
was the general feeling seems to be trade has been
on the up since February, so hopefully that punishing period

(01:29:59):
of gloom is lifting.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Yeah, okay, that's good to hear. Hope. I hope that
operators around the ca appital share that sense of optimism.
What was your favorite dining spot?

Speaker 16 (01:30:11):
There are so many outrageously good venues on Cuba Street, Jack,
I think I could happily just park up in Cuba
Street with my tent and graze from the street for
months without getting bored. But two standouts that really did
it for me. First of all, Scalper Pizzeria. The calamari

(01:30:32):
there melts in your mouth, obviously, the classic Italian pizza
is divine. But best of all Scopers Italian hot chocolate.
It's thick, rich and anxious like custard. It is so
thick you can eat it with a spoon. It is sensational.
And then my other newfound favorite on Cuba Street, TiSER.

(01:30:53):
It's the most magnificently executed Middle Eastern cuisine I have
had for a very long time. And the Mese plates
Jack is so spectacular because their kebabs give you the
cho of you meat, choice of either what the tea
are or lamb so very very inventive in the dessert,

(01:31:15):
Oh my goodness, rosewater, malaby custard, and they do it
with the almond milk and then they enrich it with
pomegranate syrup and sour cherry's manned that hit the spot.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Oh yeah, that sounds like a bit of me. Did
you unearth any hidden gems?

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
Well?

Speaker 16 (01:31:32):
I went on a foody tour and I was so
delighted to discover a place called Rams. And I have
since found out a lot of locals in Wealy declared
this place serves the city's best dumplings. Once again, it's
in Tuba Street, but it's one of those sort of
nondescript shops you would quite easily be forgiven for just

(01:31:52):
ambling right past without realizing what a revelation it is.
So Rams crazy dumplings. You get twelve dumplings for seventeen
bucks and they serve it in a pool of homemade
chili oil. I would order the pork with Child's dumplings
and you get this little sort of sweet vinegary kick

(01:32:14):
as well, and the whole thing, particularly that pole of
chili oil, it just enhances the dumplings. They are just
so delicious. The other thing very quickly. Jack. In terms
of hidden gems, this won't be a hidden gem for locals.
There's a place called Pie and Pickle. You probably know
that Wellington is obsessed by cheese sconce They by them,

(01:32:37):
and at Pie and Temple they do these amazing big
puffy cheese SCons and they serve them with a pickle
on the side. Really good.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Yeah, ah, that's so yeah, it sounds like that's fantastic.
I mean yeah, I always think that the kai in
Wellington and the coffee obviously there's a bit of a standout.
Now there's a bit of a the a. There's a
big rather Disney exhibition in town at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
Ah.

Speaker 16 (01:33:03):
Yes, I'm a bit of a Disney freak, and if
you're in animation, this exhibition is for you. So the
showcasing one hundred years of art from the Walt Disney
Animation Studios, which of course began with the Mickey as
Steamboat Willie in nineteen twenty eight. So there's a century
of stuff there. There's about six hundred works on display

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and it goes right through the catalog from Steamboat Willie, Fantasia, Frozen.
There's even artwork there from Disney's latest hit Mulwana two.
So from your old school sketches to computer generated wonders.
It really is quite a cool exhibition. Quite coo for
Wellington to have it, actually, Jack, and it's on until

(01:33:46):
July at Takeina the Convention Center.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Oh very good. Tell us about the Seal Coast Safari.

Speaker 16 (01:33:53):
Yes, I loved this. So if you want to have
all we dabbled with Wellington's wildside, there is this fantastic
tour that takes you over the hilltops of Marketer and
then down onto the south coast to admire that vath
color on the New Zealand fur seals snoozing and swimming
and sunbathing like box. It's a real boys club down
there actually, because the seals at Red Rocks are either

(01:34:17):
juveniles waiting their time to mate or elderly males passed
their prime. The females hang out around the coast of
Kate Palliser. So yeah, it's like this old gentleman's club
with a few young things splashing about. But yeah, such
a gnally little coastline.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
Yeah, I once stayed in it, like got an Airbnb
round there and yeah, really remote, My gosh, it was
just it was amazing though, kind of being parked up
on Cook Straight like that, but road access is really tricky,
you know, getting around to Red Rocks, So how did
you get there?

Speaker 16 (01:34:50):
Yeah, that's the coastal erosion has made vehical access a
lot more restricted. But on the Safari, the really good
thing about it is you also get to see the
historic Terra Feti Station, so you drive over that private
farm land to get down clear head down to Red Rocks.
The thing about Terrafiiti Station, Jack, it just blew me away.

(01:35:11):
That farm has been operating since eighteen forty three, so
it's one of our oldest far Yeah, one of our
biggest sheep stations. But also reintroduced Kiwi to the hills
surrounding the property, which is very cool. And also you
get to rendezvous with West Wind Farm, which is meridians
When Farm, the third most productive wind farm in the world,

(01:35:34):
so you can get right up both with those giant
turbines and apparently Meridian reckon one turbine can power a
thousand homes, that's how productive it is. Because of that
funneling effect on the Cook Straight. Ye, there's all sorts
of elements to that seal coast Safari. It's a banger

(01:35:54):
of a tour.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Yeah, sounds fantastic. Hey, very good, Thank you, Mike. Like
you say, lots of things to entertain us and keep
us up beat about life and the capital, which I
think has probably been a little unfairly beaten up on lately.
Thank you so much. We'll make sure all of those
tips are up on the news talks. He'd be website.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks, edbe.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Jays in fine Is on weekend sport this afternoon for
us now morning a pinee. Great to see you, mate,
Great to see you. How are you feeling about their
performance last night?

Speaker 25 (01:36:47):
Well, I think job done certainly by the All Whites.
I'd presume you're talking about the.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
I am talking about the All Whites. I am because we.

Speaker 22 (01:36:53):
Had rugby, rugby, league, cricket and other things on as well.
Look the football, I think you know they they went
and it was.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
A bit silly, like not silly, but you know what
I mean, like it was it was certainly on one side. Again,
what was it? Do you know what the possession said
in the end?

Speaker 25 (01:37:07):
No mismatch. You're right, I think it would have been
eight twenty. It felt like an eighty twenty game. And look,
I think Fiji went in thinking to themselves, so we
can keep this in, They'll all for as long as
possible we might, you know, put the frighteners up the
all Whites. Well, when Chris Wood scored the first of
what turned out to be a hat trick after six minutes,
that plan went out the window. The game was gone
by the half hour mark, when New Zealand with three
nil ahead, and by the end it was just really

(01:37:28):
a matter of how many they would get and whether
they would escape, you know, without any injuries. They got seven,
no injuries as far as I'm aware, So Mission accomplished
one game to go Monday night against New Caledonia.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
Yeah, I mean I thought they looked fantastic. They Al
Whites really looked fantastic, as good as I can remember
them looking. And it was telling to me. I was
saying earlier in the show that only one A League
player started. You know, for all of the hype Brundalkland
See and the Phoenix at the moment, there was only
one A League player. Because we have all of these
guys who are playing internationally to choose from at the moment.
So what are you expecting Monday night? An another one

(01:38:00):
sided performance? Things a bit bit tougher, I think.

Speaker 13 (01:38:02):
So.

Speaker 25 (01:38:02):
I watched New Caledonia bagt Tahiti in the other semi
final yesterday. They've got a bit more about the look.
I'm not saying that they're going to, you know, necessarily
present an insurmountable challenge for the Your Whites by any
stretch of the imagination. I think most of us would
fully expect the Your Whites to get the job done
and to punch their ticket for the World Cup next year.
But yeah, it won't be as easy, I don't think,
or as straightforward, shall we say, as last night. But

(01:38:23):
having said that, Jack, you know, as you've said, the
way this New Zealand team is playing right now. You know,
in the last last five games they've scored thirty goals.
You know, I know, yes they are against Oceanian nations,
but creating chances is one thing. Putting them in the
back of the net is another. When you've got a
guy like Chris Wood there, who now has back to
back hat tricks forty four New Zealand goals, you know,

(01:38:45):
I don't necessarily fear for New Caledonia, but they will
be well and truly up against it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
Is it time for FIFA to reconsider some of the
small print around yellow cards to players who are giving
autographs to kids in the stands.

Speaker 25 (01:38:59):
I've never seen it. I've never seen it happen, and
I know people have picked up on this. Yeah, Chris
Wood scores a hat trick, comes off, SIT's on the bench,
somebody in the crowd catches his attention for a selfie
or an autograph. He goes over, ends up staying there,
goes up into the crowd, and then is rewarded for
his generosity with a yellow card. So, yeah, one of
the more ridiculous yellow Trying.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
To work it out as you were calling the game,
you're trying to work it out, right, you thought at
first that Darren, basically the coach, had been given a
yellow car. Then you're like, no, okay, it's actually quest word.
I mean, it does seem a little bit absurd, but
obviously there aren't going to be ongoing consequences from that,
which is a relief they might be. So from a
one sided affair to the Warriors scratching out another tough victrip,
it's so good.

Speaker 25 (01:39:38):
Yep, so good. Haven't beaten the Roosters for seven years?
Have now are good? Win last night didn't get in
front until the sixty fifth minutes, so they already grounded out.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
It was.

Speaker 25 (01:39:47):
It was a good old fashioned Armorssole at ADG Media Stadium.
So yeah, the Warriors seem to have put Vegas behind them.
They've left Vegas in Vegas and back to back wins.
Now I have a manly and the Roosters, so yeah,
it's all arazing. Vas a shick though that was the
only one that was. But injuries happened in rugby league
and let's hope it's not as serious as first thought.
So either rugby last night chars nikol klukstar actually will

(01:40:08):
lead us off after mid day today the Warriors fallback
to let us know, you know, how they're feeling after
that and after two this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
Jack nick Willis is on the show.

Speaker 25 (01:40:17):
As we try and break down exactly how amazing what
Sam Ruth is doing is at fifteen? What was Nick
Willis at fifteen? What sort of times was he running
for fifteen hundred meters and the mile? And for a
guy who won an Olympic medal at the age of
thirty three. How far could Sam Ruth go? And Sam's
dad Ben is also going to pop in for a

(01:40:38):
chat too, So looking forward to to, you know, unpacking
one of you know, the rising stars of means.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
You know that I love the middle lestance running to
absolutely love it. But he is he is running at
the moment the same kind of times, maybe even slightly
faster than Jacobi Inger Britain was running. There's not a
Norwegian fifteen hundred meter legend. Yeah, I mean, like at
this age, you know, like which is it is just
crazy that someone's pulling this off.

Speaker 25 (01:41:02):
Absolutely right, and and you know, seemingly totally unaffected by
fifteen year old kid. I mean, my teenage son still
leaves us closes everywhere. I wonder if Sam Ruth does. Yeah,
is he a lot tidier? I don't know, I'll ask
Ben Ruth.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
Baby. Yeah, very good because Ben was a good runner, yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:41:18):
Fully enough. He used to run again the big willis yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:41:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:41:21):
So the two of them had some battles back in
high school. And now I think Nick is helping Ben
guide Sam. So it's a great community, the running community.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
My goodness, it has been a massive week Sport Massive
Weekend still a head of course Blues Crusaders tonight. I
know you'll be counting down to that, So looking forward
to the show this afternoon. Thank you very much, sir,
and all the very best for Monday when the All
Whites have that decider. Of course, if they win, they'll
be heading off the next year's World Cup. Cannot wait
for that. I've got my tickets Piney, you'll be pleased
to know.

Speaker 25 (01:41:47):
I'm pleased to know. Well, hopefully I can. I can
somehow get on on a plane over there as well.
Let's get Monday Night out of the way first. Oh,
you mean your tickets to Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
Monday Night World Cups. I'm at that stage of life
with a one month old in the house where I'm
not pitching any any dramatic boys trips to football World
Cups or anything like that. It's all about timing one runs.
You don't need to tell me ruth a test. I'm sure.
Thanks all right, Looking forward to the start this afternoon.
Jason Pine behind the Mike four Weekend support right after

(01:42:15):
the midday news. Before midday, We've got Ruby, which is
the new album from K pop star Jenny and your
book picks for the week.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Next Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
He'd be twenty two the twelve on news Talks, he'd
be Katherine Rains is here with her book picks for
this weekend. Hey Catherine, Morning Jack. Two quacking reads for us.
Let's begin with Nesting by Royce and O'Donnell.

Speaker 26 (01:42:42):
So this is set in Ireland in twenty eighteen and
Caara is married to Ryan. They've got two lovely young daughters,
and her husband's quite handsome and charming on the outside,
and they live in this beautiful house. But it's one
of those stories where you don't really know what goes
on behind closed doors. And Caara's sister and mother who
live away in England, I don't know that something odd

(01:43:02):
has been going on. And Ryan's been playing these very
minutes plitive gaslighting, emotional abuse, and these mind games and
abuse have played throughout their marriage, and she's slowly felt
herself sense of self worth just disappear. And then one
day where the constant tress awareness and this isolation just
becomes too much, she realizes that she needs to get out,

(01:43:24):
and so she grabs what's on the washing lines. She
packs her car. She finds a handful of cash with
the two girls.

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
And she goes.

Speaker 26 (01:43:31):
And so she has no savings and no job and
life looks pretty bleak, and they're first sleeping in her car,
and then she becomes one of the many who rely
on emergency accommodation, living in a hotel, and they need
to find somewhere where they can call home, and that
feels like a really distant dream, and they end up
on these lists where no one ever calls. So Nesting's
quite an emotional read, and it's quite tough, and you

(01:43:52):
feel that loneliness and hopelessness of escaping this very toxic
relationship and then you find yourself in the system that
doesn't seem particularly helpful either. And it's about her strength
and courage and it could have made a really depressing read,
but there's also lots of love and hope and resilience
and people that she meets, and it's about survival and
reclaiming that identity and her sense of self, and yeah,

(01:44:15):
sticks in your head and makes you think. And while
this is set an Ireland, I feel like this would
be like if you're living this kind of life in
New Zealand. The stresses and the isolation and the fearfulness
and being on these endless lists and.

Speaker 15 (01:44:29):
Not being able to find accommodation.

Speaker 26 (01:44:30):
I think that those things resonate right around the world.

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
Yeah, there's often that kind of cultural comparison, which is curious.

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Nice. So that's Nesting by Royce and O'Donnell. You've also
read One hundred Years of Betty by Debra Oswald.

Speaker 26 (01:44:45):
So this is the story of this very clever woman
who's really born in the wrong century and she's one
of ten children and her and hew siblings live with
their parents in Deptford and London and their poor and
they find life even more desperate during the Blitz, And
as a teenager, Betty decides that she's going to migrate
to Australia for new life, and so she boards this

(01:45:05):
boat and she's she's a cabin with two young women,
a really lovely young lady called Pearl, another lady called Antheena,
and she's traveling to Australia to marry Nick despite having
ever met. And then there's this young Jewish woman, a
guy called Leopold, and he's escaping the Holocaust and the
ghosts of that, and then everybody ends up in Sydney.
And then eighty years later, Betty's looking back on her life,

(01:45:28):
that poor young girl from London, how she's grown up
and witnessed and experienced all sorts of things from around
the world during the Blitz and working as a waitress
and being a wife, and about Vietnam, and then at
one point she ends up in the world of TV
being a screenwriter and despite all of those setbacks and
things not going quite as plan, and she keeps putting
one foot in front of the other. And I just

(01:45:51):
love how this book feels like you're just sitting down
having a conversation with Betty as she's telling me about
her life and this tale of an ordinary woman who's strong, resists, resilient,
funny and very humble, and it's just yet you just
find yourself completely engrossed in her story and her eighty
years that she's talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
Superb Okay, that's one hundred Years of Betty by Debra Oswalden,
Catherine's first book pick for us this weekend Nesting by
Roys and O'Donnell. Both of those book titles and all
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to go. And a couple of minutes on News Talks,
heb We're going to play this new album by K
pop star Jenny. The album's called Ruby. Right now, it's
seventeen to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
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Speaker 27 (01:47:06):
Comb beyond the Line, it's some bad It's for you,
for you on.

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
This song is Star of War. It's by Jenny and
Jenny's just released a brand new album called Ruby. Yestelle
Clifford is our music reviewer. She's been listening. Hey Estelle,
Oh hello, I don't know we've ever done a Korean
pop star on our show before.

Speaker 28 (01:47:39):
I don't think we have done pop because generally they're
a band as well. So Black Pink is what she
originates from. And yeah, k pop's a really interesting thing.
It's really high energy. It's really like these you know,
they've usually rehearsed for a million kajillion hours before they
do it live, and it's so slick and polished and clever.

(01:48:03):
So I'm interested to see how a solo artist then
brings that kind of energy.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
To what that is.

Speaker 12 (01:48:09):
She's good.

Speaker 28 (01:48:10):
I have thoroughly enjoyed this album. I think that what
has happened through all her training, So she went to
like this K pop school or I shouldn't. I guess
it's not just K pop, it's like entertainment.

Speaker 12 (01:48:22):
But they do like six years.

Speaker 28 (01:48:23):
Well, she did six years worth of training before she
even got into a band, and she says in some
of her interviews they basically every month would have to
learn a song and a dance, like some real choreography,
just really honing their skills to then be a live performance.
So by the time she then does a band thing
and then gets out to her solo stuff, I feel

(01:48:46):
like she's really this is quite a confident album, like
she really knows who she is and what it is
that she wants to be. K Pop's really cool too
because it kind of is genre blending, which I dare
say a lot of artists kind of naturally do too.
She leans quite a lot into and I think it's
quite good for her, into her R and B slash rat.

Speaker 12 (01:49:07):
Skills that she's got.

Speaker 28 (01:49:09):
The rat skills came from the fact that she was
one of the only ones training who knew how to
fluently speak English, and lots of the songs they were
training and learning to copy like that's what they needed.
So it was like this accident till, hey, you should
do more rap because you know what you're saying, which
is interesting because in K pop they obviously are bilingually,

(01:49:31):
they flick into Korean and English. In her solo album here,
there's actually not much of that. She speaks mostly predominantly
English right throughout. But that thing for her that sort
of put her on a path actually has worked really
well because I think she's quite good at it, and
I would I would say in her career she will

(01:49:51):
delve more into that and more. Yeah, So heaps of
elements of K pop is still there. I like the
the genre blending. She's done coleabs with big artists like
Adochi and do a Leaper. There's a song on here
called Zen and she's when you get to that song,
she says, that's the song where she was like, after

(01:50:12):
six months of work and putting songs together, that's the
one that she was like, Okay, this whole album is
actually going to come together.

Speaker 12 (01:50:19):
And I get it.

Speaker 28 (01:50:21):
She's the kind of person, quite perfectionist, where right up
until I think two days before the album actually dropped,
she was still working on it and deciding what was
a final cut.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
Wow, yeah, it's as yeah, that kind of you know,
from the band culture.

Speaker 28 (01:50:39):
Absolutely, and I think maybe that's also something that she'll
learn to like eventually. You just have to sit with
it and be quite truthful. And maybe that's the thing.
She has been quite truthful, and she probably feels a
bit vulnerable about that. So you know, you want to
be there right till that last minute, but eventually it
just has to come out.

Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
Right.

Speaker 28 (01:50:55):
There's some real good, high energy R and B hip
hop sort of style. You can cut some shapes, do
some crumping, and then you can also chill out sort
of near the end of the album, she gets into
some really beautiful, almost ballady sort of style. Is a
song called Twin that finishes off the album, and the
way she says the word twin, it's like this really

(01:51:16):
clever chime and ping over the music.

Speaker 15 (01:51:21):
I just really like the production in.

Speaker 28 (01:51:23):
It, and like that real beautiful, emotional kind of a
letter to somebody, almost like a sorry, yeah and yeah.
So she's quite I feel like her lyrics have been
quite a motive, although there's also some where you're just like,
I don't know what the song's about. Do I need
to know? Doesn't matter. It's got a great.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
Beat, Yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 22 (01:51:41):
I that.

Speaker 28 (01:51:44):
Has actually really surprised me. I think I really enjoyed
the energy. I've really enjoyed how confident she sounds in it.
It's packed with super catchy tracks like just straight out
the Gate You're in there like Jenny, has been a
big single for her off this album. I think Rihanna
Lauren Hill is one of the people she's inspired by.
Sometimes she's been taken the mickey out of because I reckon.

(01:52:06):
She has that like I don't care kind of thing
about how Rihanna's a bit like that. Sometimes she's not invested.
But I think maybe you just have to have a
thing a toughness about yourself. People want to critique everything
you do.

Speaker 7 (01:52:17):
Right.

Speaker 28 (01:52:19):
Yeah, I've really enjoyed it. I think it's it's just
the energy that I kind of needed right now. And
I've been really interested to see where she goes from
being in that band for him to now being a
solo artist. I think she's I mean, she's huge, and
she's already everybody wants a piece of her.

Speaker 15 (01:52:33):
Everybody wants her to sell their product.

Speaker 12 (01:52:35):
That's part of K pop. You know, they're very influential
in regards.

Speaker 28 (01:52:38):
To fashion and anything they touch sort of turns to
gold or merchandising, slash making money off it. So what
did you protects herself and that a little bit?

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
Yeah, so what did you give it?

Speaker 28 (01:52:51):
This is a huge surprise to me, but I'm going
to give it a teen out of ten.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
Yeah, good for you.

Speaker 28 (01:52:57):
Really great listen everything about it, because she has just
really put her heart and soul into.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
This superb Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:53:04):
I kindly enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
Look open minded as you know, famously open minded on
Saturday morning. So okay, we'll get a bit more of
a listen in a couple of minutes.

Speaker 12 (01:53:12):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
Yeah, very good. So the album is Ruby Jenny and
it's Jenny I E with the is the artist. So
j E N N I E is the artist. You'll
probably see her every where. Now we'll have a bit
more of a listener in a couple of minutes. On
News Talks, he'd be but ten out of tennist now
reckons it's worth which is saying something. Indeed, right now
it's nine to twelve, a.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with Jack
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Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
Oh my goodness. The sport just never ends this weekend.
So we've got the Highlanders read about four thirty this afternoon,
Blues Crusaders kicking off just after seven o'clock. Of course,
Liam Lawson and the China Grand Prix, hopefully going to
improve on his qualifying if it's there. Jason Pine is
going to be taking you through the afternoon with weekend Sport.
He will be reviewing that All Whites performance last night

(01:54:05):
seven nil against Fiji, a dominant performance to say the least.
But the match that really met us I suppose is
the match on Monday night at Eden Park. If they
win that they have guaranteed qualification to next year's Football
World Cup, which would be fantastic. Thank you so much
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I'm back with you next Saturday morning from nine until then,
We're gonna leave you with Jenny. Her brand new album

(01:54:47):
is a Ruby. This is with the Ie That's the
name of the song. There you Go, Season Crime.

Speaker 29 (01:54:55):
Hell, let Us, There we Go, Judgment, touch or Tashy Flow, Pasty,
Flashy Waves, Job and Multi Bowls, Togain on Monday, what
your Way by revaluating me on your day Up, Sun set.

Speaker 19 (01:55:08):
Up, Funny Prospect Child, Hit a Slack Turns, out play
about the way coum.

Speaker 29 (01:55:18):
Go shot fire Away to the true Flag, Benify Girl,
pay the way Timmy Kimmy, I was minute go shot
fire Away House to the true flatf girl broke top.

Speaker 19 (01:55:35):
When I party turned like a dysy.

Speaker 3 (01:55:41):
Around me, send it around me, breath, I can lley.

Speaker 19 (01:55:44):
It seems I got to throw hold on him everybody,
So when to do it on the problem.

Speaker 9 (01:55:50):
Gave you someone Tennis, give us bull Brotten.

Speaker 27 (01:55:52):
I'm dressed out me.

Speaker 13 (01:55:53):
In the trending topic.

Speaker 29 (01:55:59):
Saying conspect the angel am.

Speaker 13 (01:56:11):
Go on, come come give me a kiss up.

Speaker 27 (01:56:17):
Bay Away.

Speaker 1 (01:57:00):
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