Full Show Podcast: 23 November 2024

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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yard in New Zealand. Good morning and welcome to News
Dogs Vy, Jack Tam and the Hot Seat with you
through to midday after a month overseas, and I've got
to say, it is so good to be home, So
good to be home. Such a privilege to be in
the US for the election, such a privilege to be
in Peru of all places, chasing the Prime Minister around us.
He met with Shijening for APEC. But just so good

(01:08):
to be home, So good to be home, and so
good to be with you this Saturday morning. For what
is a stocking show? Would you say that there is
no good cuisine on earth that doesn't make the most
of onions? Because I would. I reckon onions are underrated,
still underrated. And before teen o'clock we're gonna give you
a recipe using onions in a way that you might
not have used them before. We're gonna stuff some onions

(01:30):
before ten o'clock on newstalk ZDB, as well as that
we're going to tell you about the new Wicked film,
plus this incredible new TV show called Say Nothing, which
is based on one of my favorite books of all time,
So very much looking forward to that. Right now, it
is eight minutes past nine, Jack tame Well, the first
thing I noticed was Marve's thirst. In the years that

(01:55):
I've known my wife, I just can't think of a
time when she has voluntarily consumed a glass of water. Coffee, yeah, sure,
ice latte in the morning, PEPs Max in the afternoon,
a bit of black death. But water, Nah, water has
never really been her jam, And yet here she was,

(02:16):
all of a sudden, glugging back glass after glass after
glass of the good stuff. You're pregnant, I said. The
next thing I noticed was her sweet tooth, or actually
her lack of a sweet tooth. Do you want to treat?
I called from the kitchen. And one of my wife's
finest qualities is that she never says no to desert.

(02:39):
And yet no, I just don't feel like it. She said,
You're pregnant. I said. It's amazing how much a line
on a stick can change your life. I think when
I was younger, I didn't properly appreciate that. Sometimes, you know,

(03:01):
sometimes life doesn't go the way you expect it will.
I've got lots of friends for whom getting pregnant and
having kids hasn't been anything like our experience so far.
You know, sometimes it just doesn't happen, and it can
be the most painful and traumatic experience. I just feel
so fortunate in that sense. Tell you what, though, it

(03:22):
is crazy how quickly the algorithms get you. You sign
up for one baby app this week, your baby is
the size of a turnip, and all of your ads
change in an instant to pushchair brands with soft Nordic
names and umlauts. Oh to have invested in the baby

(03:42):
business a few decades back. I've learned a lot about
my wife over the last six months. She's tough, reaching
at the traffic lights one minute, back on with her
day the next. However, many billion years of evolution and
pregnant women are still left with scientifically dubious ACU pressure
bands and ginger tea ugh. The good news is her

(04:05):
sweet Bo's back into sense of human never left. I
found myself thinking about the other parents in my life,
and particularly my own. I'm one of four four are
you kidding? And my folks had no help. I can
already see why people rate raising children as their greatest accomplishment.

(04:29):
So yeah, I'm excited about the prospect of becoming a parent.
And although I can kind of understand it all in
a theoretical sense, I'm not sure the full weight, the
full weight of impending fatherhood has yet sunken in, or
honestly will sink in until our baby is born. Marve's

(04:50):
jew in February. We've got a pram, We've got a cot.
We've tossed around a few ideas for names, and I've
been mesmerized by the images on the ultrasound screen. But
even as I place my hand on my wife's bump
and feel something, feel someone, a bit of me shift
and wriggle and kick, for now, it is all just magic.

(05:14):
And look, I know there are going to be tough
times ahead, exhaustion and exasperation, but I also know the
magic will only intensify a new baby, a new generation,
a new life, and the sense that mine will change forever.
Jack Ta ninety two ninety two is the text number

(05:36):
this morning. Don't forget that if you're standing. Are sending
us a text this morning standard text costs supply. You
can email me as well if you like. Jacket newstalks
edb dot co dot nz befourteen o'clock this morning, we're
going to look at Liam Lawson's prospects in Las Vegas.
Liam Lawson in Las Vegas, say that three times fast.
We'll catch up with our sporto very shortly. Kevin Wyn.
We'll kick us off for our Saturday morning next twelve

(05:58):
minutes past nine. I'm Jack tame, stoked to be back
on Saturday mornings and this is news dog zed.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
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Speaker 2 (06:14):
Carter past nine on you stalks Edb. You're a Jack Tayne.
Thank you very much for your lovely text and emails. Jack, congratulations,
Best of luck to you both and to little Donald
when he arrives his Adrian. Jack, if only you were
having a baby, don't forget you're having a teenager too. Yeah, gulp,
I can just try and put that just just just

(06:35):
completely block that off, like you know, trying to avoid
that realization for another couple of years at the very
least ninety two ninety two. If you want to send
us a message this morning, Kevin Miln is with us
this morning. Up to money you Kevin.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Money, Hey Jack? Is there no end of congratulations that
I have lined up?

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Well?

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, first of all, you're going to be a dad,
and congratulations to you and Marv for that.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
And of course last night you won the Best Corn
of Hairs, Best Presented News kind of Affairs, something like
won twenty years ago this year, and so we're on
our names on the same.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
Cap as it were.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
And also of course Q and a winning best kind
of Fairs program. Yeah, well, believably good. You've had a
fantastic night.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel very very fortunate. Thank you, Kevin.
I mean, yeah, I suppose a cynic would note that
the current affairs ecosystem has prayers, not one of what
it once was, Kevin. But yeah, I've been around long
enough to know that you take these things and feel
very grateful for them when they come through.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
So thank you, and you certainly deserve those awards.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
Thank you, and you deserve to be a dad.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Too.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, yeah, thank you. No, it's very very exciting times,
very exciting times. And Kevin, you've you've had an interesting week.
You have noted an interesting old sign that has been
hanging around in your garage.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, I've got a lad sign hanging up on the
garage and I picked which I picked up at a
garret sale from an Auckland pub in the nineteen eighties.
They were doing renovations and didn't want to sign anymore.
The sign reads, any known gang member or person wearing
gang patches or emblems will not be permitted in this hotel.

(08:22):
It's funny, really, because I bought the sign at the
garage cell as a curiosity. It seemed quite funny that
hotel proprietors might consider their bars safer if gang members
left their jackets and their cars. I thought, woodn't gang
members caused just as much trouble without their jackets on.
Were bar patrons under greater threat from gang members wearing

(08:45):
patches than gang members in plain wooly jerseys, at least
with the patches, Skinny scared fellows like me knew who
not to spill beer over. I suspect that the reason
I now have that sign in the garage is that
in the end, it was of no particular value in
the bar when they renovated it went out. Jack, I'm

(09:09):
all for toughening up on the gangs that have yet
to hear one convincing explanation for why you'd want to
cause agro by forcing gang members to remove their patches.
Just to make my point, if gangs didn't wear patches
and were causing mayhem, I'd see some sense in making

(09:29):
them wear identifications so we all knew who the hell
they were. Ironically, we're going to try to force these
eggs to remove any identification so we don't know who
they are. It won't work, of course, which is just
as well. In short, when I wander over to our
son Biki's directions, I want to know if they're motorcycle

(09:52):
enthusiasts from the Ulysses Club or lads from the Filthy Feu.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah. Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it, Because I
I mean, I think Patch gang members are really intimidating,
you know, I think for a lot of people, they're
really intimidating, and I wonder if that sense of intimidation
is likely to reduce if they're not wearing patches in
public anymore. I suppose that the you know, you make
a really good point.

Speaker 7 (10:18):
Then.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I remember police said this when the game patch band
was first announced, right, that sometimes it's actually quite good
to be able to identify who's in again they're all
wearing a uniform. Then it sort of makes things sometimes
a little bit easier. But the proof of the pudding.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Isn't only for the police, but for those of us
who are having to rub shoulders with them, yeah, and
decide whether we want to go into a bar, or
go into the bar next or or whatever it's, you know,
to sort of stay away from them.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Interesting that you're interesting that you're you know, like your
your sign that you felt was a kind of a
you know, a bit of an antique kind of turning
back the hands of time there a couple of decades,
is you know quite relevant? You could go string it
up today and be useful again.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah yeah, yeah, right, I might sell it back to
the pub again. Yeah yeah, yeah, you order the police.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah yeah, Hey, thank you so much, Kevin. That's a
really interesting perspective, and I'm sure lots of listeners will
have thoughts on that. You can send us a text
if you've got some before ten o'clock this morning, We've
got your movie picks for this weekend. Really looking forward
to that. Right now, it's twenty past nine on news Talks.

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I've got to say, of the whole process so far,
so mother's what twenty seven or twenty eight weeks pregnant?
Of the whole process so far, like, probably the most
special moment was telling my steps on telling our boy,

(13:00):
and like I remember just like watching his face so closely,
and you know, it's funny because kids are really really
perceptive in one sense, but they can also be a
little bit naive. And he's seven years old at the moment,
so I was sort of wondering if he picked up
on anything, if he might have noticed that, you know,
Mama was just a little bit more tired than usual,

(13:21):
or something like that. It turns out he hadn't, of course,
that all had absolutely no idea, And as we told him,
I just watched his face and saw his eyes immediately
light up with delight. It was really really just special,
really special. So thank you very much for your text
this morning. I'm going to get to more your feedback
very shortly right now though our sport Andrew Savill is

(13:42):
with us this morning.

Speaker 7 (13:43):
Helder colder Jack G.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
What are morning for you?

Speaker 7 (13:48):
Congrats on the awards and thank you sir becoming a father.

Speaker 8 (13:52):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (13:53):
I actually saw your wife in the newsroom yesterday and
she was doled up for the awards last night. I
can use that ter him. And I looked at her
and I thought, I reckon, she's pregnant now of course
me and get this wrong and many many many situations,
and you've got to be very careful. I didn't say
anything as I wanted past because I thought that would

(14:14):
be the best.

Speaker 9 (14:14):
Thing to do.

Speaker 7 (14:15):
But I just had an inkling mate. Yeah, so so
well done.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah yeah, Riel is always is, always.

Speaker 7 (14:24):
To the ground. Yeah, it will, It will change you forever.
I hope it's not twins, you poor bugger if it is,
but I'm pretty sure it's not. You'll get it. You'll
get a million pieces of advice on what to do,
but you do it your own way. Yeah, that's what
I found.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Thank you very much. Hey, big week of sport, so
all Italy tomorrow morning ten past nine and Sam Kaine's
final test. Ethan Degroup making his first appearance on the
Northern tour after missing what the last three games at least. Well,
so what do you what are you expecting tomorrow and
how they'll turn things around from last week.

Speaker 7 (15:01):
I'm expecting a win. I'm expecting a big win. They
should put this Italian team away relatively come ply. Overall,
I think it's been a good tour to the North.
I think if we had a said previously that win
two out of the big three, we would have taken that.

(15:21):
To lose the way they did against France when they
really should have won, They should have been up by
fifteen twenty at half time. To lose that game in
that way, which could have happened against England a couple
of weeks earlier. To lose in Paris like that is
galling and I can sort of understand why the All
Blacks have decided to go with pretty much a top

(15:41):
team again, most of those guys in the Paris game
coming back. I would have liked to have seen a
couple of the fringe players getting a go over off
the bench or starting development wise for next year and beyond.
But I can also understand the All Black coaches at
the end of what's been an arduous year, wanting to
nail this game and finish with a record of what

(16:03):
you assume will be ten wins four losses. I think
that's a past mark. I think the loss against Argentina
midyear and Wellington should never have happened. Two tight losses
South Africa. The All Blacks maybe had a won one
of those. I think you'd give them more than a
pass mark. If they'd beaten France last week, you'd give
them a major tack. But I think it's a pass

(16:25):
I think you've got to take in the consideration new
coaches to the Test arena, a lot of new management
of this team. It's taken a while for them to
beat everything in and I think early on there was
a massive realization that wow, this is a massive step
up from Super rugby. This is Test match football. The
spotlights on you every single day, every single minute of

(16:48):
every single game. I think that expectation and that eye
opening position there and earlier in the year, I think
I think pretty sure has calmed down somewhat as the
year has gone on. Let's not forget you they could
have easily lost those two England games here in July,
and that would have and lost to England that twicken them.

(17:09):
That would have been a seven and seven record, which
no one would have put up with. But that's test
match football, game of inchures. And I think overall you
have to give them a past.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I think you give them a pass. But it's funny
like if they had pulled off last week, what a
different conversation we would be having, you know, presumably come
eleven o'clock tomorrow morning, like hoping fingers crossed, knocking onwood
that the ulvacs get the job done. You know, it's
quite funny, like the fine Margins would be saying, well,
you know they maybe it was a little bit of
rust in the kind of system when they were getting

(17:39):
things underway this year. But they seem to have found
their form and where you go. But you know that
that just a couple of points last week, and that I.

Speaker 7 (17:45):
Think we've seen. I think we've seen signs of improvement,
but often we've seen I think two steps forward one
step back.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's they played so.

Speaker 7 (17:54):
Well against Ireland and then and yes, it is very
hard to play three big Test matches in a row,
probably even tougher than a World Cup. Yeah, three big
test matches in a row away from home at the
end of a long, long season. So yeah, it's a
shame that didn't beat the French when they really had
a great opportunity.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Solem Lawson is in Las Vegas this weekend.

Speaker 7 (18:16):
Yeah, practice not a great practice session for the racing
bulls and Liam Lawson and yesterday, but yeah fifteenth However,
a couple of things Las Vegas very unfamiliar tracked to him,
a very tricky track, very fast in a couple of places,
and also very cold at night when the racing is

(18:39):
being held four or five degrees I think it got
down to last night, so the tires on these cars
don't warm up like they're doing warmer climb. So to
not wrap it round the lamp post is a major
tech first of all, to become familiar with the track.
As the second text, So I think we'll see Liam
do better in the practice session this afternoon and then

(19:01):
in qualifying tonight he'd be aiming for. He be aiming
for at least top say top twelve, maybe even top ten,
to keep pushing his case for maybe a top team
drive next year, or at least one of the team
he's in. But all a learning curve. He's done so
well so far and just just I think for him,

(19:22):
just head down, keep on keeping on.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, so I looked it up. Compared to his first
practice session, he improved by I think three seconds, so yeah,
which is huge, Yes, which is which is really really significant.
So hopefully when another practiciation under his bout to start
to get a bit of a you know, sort of
feel for the track in Vegas. Hey, I'm sev. Are
you a gene Kelly fan?

Speaker 7 (19:44):
Gene Kelly, but don't for the old Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, but don't you pretend you don't know. Don't pretend
you don't have the poses on your wall.

Speaker 7 (19:51):
I actually I free to steer with a little bit
beyond my capabilities. But gene Kelly again beyond my capabilities,
but the tap dancing side of it, and just the entertainment.
As a kid growing up, you know, watching up with
the grand parents, I enjoyed a bit of gen Kelly.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Is he Well there's this, there's this new thing coming
for the Arts Festival. They've basically got gen Kelly's old
films right, and they have gone and recreated all of
the orchestral music that goes under his old films. So
they've touched up the old films. The films look beautiful
and the Philharmonic Orchestra and Auckland's going to be playing
along to Gene Kelly. But anyway, the guy who's directing

(20:30):
it is this amazing, this amazing musical director who lives
in Brazil. He's going to be with us after ten
this morning. But I'm looking for that Kelly fans out there.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (20:39):
I forgot just quickly. I don't know if I'll watch
a whole movie, but I do like that old old
school stuff. I'm not saying that's where I loot my moves.
But anyway, did you have you heard of symphony?

Speaker 6 (20:49):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (20:50):
This is the yea, this is this is the New
Zealand devised concert with the with the Philharmonic August are
doing the old school dance music. They Symphony is playing
on the IF one track tomorrow night before the race.
So this has been this concert have been sold to
Formula One. I don't know whether they're going to use

(21:10):
it around the world, but definitely in Vegas. There'll be
a real key week company feel to the pre race
tomorrow night quite amazingly.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, yes, so good. Hey, thank you sir, We will
catch you very soon. Andrew savil Our Sporto there, thank
you for your feedback regarding gangs. Sandras Flick mere notes. Say, Jack,
if you've been on the receiving end of gang criminal activity,
seeing gang members walk around with their patches on forces
their victims to relive the trauma every single time. I mean,
I this is one of the funny things. I had

(21:39):
this really interesting interview with Andrew Costa when he was
kind of finishing up as the police commissioner a few
weeks ago, and he said that one of the biggest
things he had learned during his time as commissioner, and
obviously that was a pretty trying period, was that perceptions
around safety and crime were kind of just as important
as the reality. So even if crime rates were low,

(22:01):
if people feel unsafe or they perceive that crime rates
are high, that's a big problem. And perhaps he hadn't
fully appreciated that before he started in the job. And
I reckon this is one of the things with the
gang Patch band, right, whether or not it actually makes
people safer is one thing but if it makes the
general public feel safer, there is value in that. There's

(22:22):
certainly value in that. But let me know your thoughts.
Ninety two. Ninety two is the text number. And like
I said that, the director of this amazing Eugen Kelly
show that is coming to New Zealand for the Auckland
International Arts Festival, is going to be with us after
ten this morning. Right now, it's twenty five to ten.
You've got your film picks next on news stalks. He'd
be popular. You're gonna be a poppy.

Speaker 10 (22:44):
I'll teach you the proper boys when you talk to boys,
the wet of all so you were shoes to wear,
how to fix your hair, everything that really counts to
be popular. I'll help you be populor we'll hang with
her right carse, you'll be good houseports. You know, the
saying you've lost enough the last time you've got in

(23:08):
lovely lone.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
If you are a Wicked fan, you will recognize that one.
That is Ariana Grande performing Popular from the film Wicked,
and our film viewer Francesca Rudkin is here with us
this morning. Made good morning, Good morning, two fantastic films
to discuss this morning ones and cinema's ones at home.
So let's start off with the one on the big screen.

(23:32):
This is Wicked.

Speaker 10 (23:34):
Fellow ausience, the Wicked Witch of the West is dead.

Speaker 6 (23:44):
Let me tell you the whole story.

Speaker 11 (23:47):
Our past did cross a school?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
You agree?

Speaker 12 (23:53):
I am?

Speaker 1 (23:55):
There is no can.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Okay, this is Wicked, Part one, tell us about it, Friendziskot.

Speaker 11 (24:08):
That is a very That is a very good point
you make their part one. Let there are a few
things you kind of need to know about this film. One,
it is based on the musical, which I have not seen.
The musical, of course, is a smash it on Broadway.
And I know that there are a lot of super
fans out there who cannot wait to see this film.
But you are actually only going to see half of

(24:28):
this musical. So it's in two parts and you're going
to have to wait another year to see part two.
And part one is very long. It's like two and
three quarter hours. I think I'm not entirely sure whether
this musical needs to be a five hour cinematic journey,
but those super fans out there will probably true by that. Yes,
So this is, of course the original story of Glinda

(24:50):
the Good Witch and the Wicked Witch of the West.
Glinda or Glinda as she was called, is played by
Ariander Grande and Alphabar is played by Cynthia and Vero,
and both of them are absolutely fantastic and thank goodness
for them. Green did sitting there for almost three hours.
Arie under Grande. She just does bond blonde beautifully. We

(25:14):
have a lot of laughs with her, not at her character.
She's just a lovely narcissist. She does it brilliant job.
Cynthia's sill of heart and complexity as this teenage girl
who was born Green and the two of them meet
at the university. So this is kind of like Harry
Potter meets men Girls. It's a film, obviously, you know

(25:36):
the story. It's just about acceptance. Something different in his
nature or nurture make us evil? You know what is
it that actually makes this terms alphabet into the Wicked
Witch of the West. But really it's all about having
some in this film. It's shiny, it's slick, it's colorful.

(25:56):
The costumes and the craft that's gone into it is
really incredible. But it really is kind of just all
sweetness in life. I'm hoping Part two gets a little
grittier and gets a little darker. We might kind of
get to the bottom of some of these questions that
you might have if you're a fan of the Wizard
of Ours. So, look, I enjoyed it. Under it's a spectacle.

(26:16):
I think fans are going to love it. Still not
entirely convinced. We need five hours possibly of this.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
Yeah the film Jack You know me, though I.

Speaker 11 (26:27):
Love I don't mind a music on stage, but I'm
not huge fan of the musical. The film adaptations, I
kind of go, yeah, yeah, we could skip the song
and just move the story along. That's how I tend
to feel in a film. But I'm sure this is
don't be hugely popular. But just bear in mind that
time frame, that the length of it and things, because

(26:47):
it's not probably something you drag young kids too.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
No, no, okay, very good. That is wicked. So that's
showing in cinemas at the moment. Very good. Let's tell
listen to Canary Black.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
As your griefs. She's my first My father worked for
the agency.

Speaker 13 (27:03):
She was groomed, so she was at.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
Her husband. You a missed civilian doesn't know who she is?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Is you on the frim issus Gun, Honey, that is
Canary Black, totally different to our first film, and this
one's streaming on Prime Video.

Speaker 11 (27:25):
You know me, I always like to bring you something
slightly ridiculous, and this is a pretty ridiculous thriller which
is screening on Prime. As you mentioned, Kate Pecntell is
a CIA spy whose husband is kidnapped and then she's
blackmailed to provide a secret file or else he dies,
and off we go on this kind of rescue mission
that has numerous spy agencies chasing her, including her own,

(27:46):
and she obviously has to try and get the spile,
which is known as Canary Black, and save her husband.
It's NonStop action. If you want a bit of a
fight fest, a gun fest. This film does keep moving
at a good clip, but it is very formulaic. The
reason I thought i'd give it a go is because
it is directed by Pierre Morrell, who did Taken and
District thirteen and Freelancers. He's pretty good at pulling all

(28:09):
the action together. I did have one small issue, and
that's with Kate Beckinsale, who does a solid job here,
but she's she is basically on the run day and
night for days and still looks impeccable with this very
chic leather jacket and runs around on high heeled boots. Now,
I just guide that I would play game of tennis

(28:31):
and high hills and my younger days. But you could
just see she is struggling to run on them. She
cannot get her tom Cruise run on and then that
makes you question how much of the stunt she's doing.
I think she does it, but you wonder how much
the stunt double did then. So the fact that my
mind is distracted by these things probably tells you something
about the substance of this film. But if you want
a little bit of action, NonStop action without leaving the house,

(28:54):
you won't want to give it a try this weekend.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, very good. Okay, that's Canary Black. You know, you
remind me of a certain person in my household who
every time there's one of those you know, we're watching
one of those CSI programs, you know, how they did
their crime scene Investigators, and she's forever lamenting how none
of the women have their hair tied up. She's like, surely,
if you are a forensic scientist, you are not just

(29:16):
having a full headed here, just flapping about in the
breeze like that.

Speaker 9 (29:21):
Anyway, that's good point.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Look, don't don't let the you know, don't let the
facts of life get in the way of a good story,
I suppose. Thank you so much, Francisca. Those films again,
Canary Black is showing on Amazon Prime or on Prime
Video rather and Wicked, the first film is in cinemas now.
Kind of long, but a lot of fun. Thank you
so much, Francisca.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Saturday Mornings with Jack team keeping the conversation going through
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Speaker 2 (29:49):
We've had a disrupted couple of weeks on Saturday Mornings
on News Talks dB. So a fortnight ago you probably
don't remember this, but the All Blacks were playing, I know,
so rude of them to schedule the game for the
same time as our show. So that meant that we
got bumped for the All Blacks. Can you believe it?
Last week at this time exactly ago, I think I
was in a room with Prime Minister Christopher Luxen and

(30:11):
the Chinese President Hijinping in Lima, in Peru, of all places.
So that was, yeah, one of those kind of amazing
and slightly unusual experiences that I'm very fortunate to have
from time to time in my profession. My impressions of
Lima were that it was a really interesting and exciting city.
I've never been to Peru before. I've been fortunate to

(30:32):
travel through other parts of Latin America quite a bit,
through Columbia and through Argentina, through Bolivia, those sorts of places.
And the thing about Lima is that it's on the
Pacific coast, so immediately there's a little bit of familiarity,
you know, when you when you're looking out over the Pacific,
even if you're on the other side, it sort of
feels a little bit like home. The food in Lima

(30:53):
was incredible. I think we had savicia every single day,
lots of like Lomo saltado, which is this kind of
amazing beef dish they served there, and one of my
favorite things. It sounds so simple, but they have this
sort of rotisserie chicken that they make in Peru that
I don't know. This is something about the chicken that

(31:14):
maybe they just have more fat in the chicken or something.
It's absolutely delicious. So I had a lot of rotisserie
chicken while I was in Peru, and yeah, the cuisine
was an absolute highlight. It's a real privilege to go
there for a few days last week, and I want
to return to Peru now because I haven't been up
into the Andes. I think that's one of the one
of the key things you got to do if you're
traveling there, go up into Cosco, much Repeacha, all that

(31:35):
kind of stuff. So that's going to be on the
bucket list for the time being. Right now, it is
twelve minutes two ten on News talks. eNB Cook. Necki
Wicks is here with us this morning.

Speaker 14 (31:44):
Killed her.

Speaker 15 (31:46):
Oh my mouth is watering listening to all of that.
I've not been there either, but I hear the cuisine
is absolutely outstanding.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah it is. It's because they have a real Japanese
influence as well. They have the sort of que cuisine
there in Peru, which is sort of it's a cross
Pacific cuisine, I suppose, Yeah, it's yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 15 (32:06):
We have those restaurants in Auckland Azubu that yeah, that
cross of yeah, that's right across between Japanese and Peruvian.
And I was like, where did that come from?

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Well, yeah, we had we had kui as well, so
we had which is guinea pig, and it's one of
these things where you go, oh my gosh, if you know.
Even I was like, oh, okay, guinea pig. I remember
very quickly. We went on this tour with this woman
who we're looking at some of the ruins and lima
and there are a few ruins and lima. Anyway, she
was talking to us and she said, she said, in

(32:39):
other countries koui pet, not in Peru. In Peru cooy
food was like, yeah, but it was one of these
things that it honestly didn't feel like it wasn't a
novelty like it was. It felt like a really good, yeah,
really kind of nutritious protein. So so yeah.

Speaker 15 (32:56):
That's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Anyway, Oh great, Well, look there you go.

Speaker 15 (32:59):
Lots of news this morning, and I'm so delighted by
your news. Jack Well, I mean, congratulations on your wards
as well.

Speaker 12 (33:07):
I mean, what a beautiful, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Time for you.

Speaker 15 (33:10):
It must seem like everything's coming together nicely.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Wow, and you well deserved.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (33:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, and I have.

Speaker 15 (33:18):
Recently farewelled my dear mum. Yeah, and that's been a
big thing for our family. But I loved listening to
your news this morning because it made me think about
that beautiful cycle of life. And there's nothing that makes
me happier than thinking about new life coming in as
beautiful other lives come to an end. So I wanted
to share this morning one of our one of mom's

(33:38):
favorite recipes, which was for stuffed onions baked in a
tomato e cream suce. And I heard your intro and
I'm with you on the onions.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
I mean, it's the underrated hero of cooking.

Speaker 15 (33:50):
Yeah, I love it, and this is this this recipe
is a chance for the onions to really shine. And
Mum would make this often, and I suspect now I'll
be doing the arduous task this Christmas because it's such
a gorgeous dish and my vegetarian sisters adore it and
would always say, Mum, can we have the stuff onions.
I want to say to our listeners that the recipe

(34:10):
sounds complicated, but it's really simple, and it really is,
so I'm going to rush through the recipe now, but
obviously they can go online. It's just so delicious. Basically,
you've got these leaves of onion and they are stuffed
with spinach and silver beet, which is rampant in the
gardens and the stores at the moment. Ricotta with some
parmesan cheese in there. And then the whole thing jack

(34:32):
is doused in this tomato and cream sauce that spiked
ever so slightly with cayne, pepper and salt. It's just amazing.
And then it's all baked. So look here you go
to get the leaves of the onion. You cut the
onions with the skin still on from top to bottom,
from root to tip, only halfway through through to the heart.

(34:55):
And then you put them, you know, boil and then
you boil them in some boiling water for twenty to
twenty five minutes. And I remember standing beside Mum when
I got it to show me this recipe, and I
was just like, what, you're not peeling them whatever, you know,
And you boil them for twenty to twenty five minutes
and they open up a little bit and they soften
a little bit, So take them out of the pot,

(35:15):
let them call. And while they're doing that, you can
sort of parboil your spinach or silver beet or whatever
and squeeze all the out of that and make the
rest of that stuffing, so you can mash the ricotta
the eggs. Use two eggs, two seventy five grams of ricotta.
I've used about five hundred bout half a kilo of
washed spinach and silver beet. That's half a kilo raw,

(35:36):
so it's tons, and about fifty to one hundred grams
of parmesan cheese, good pinch of maybe oregano, thyme, marjoram,
something like that, good dose of salt and pepper, and
that's your filling. And by the time you've done that,
your beautiful onions will have softened. What you then do
is take off the skin. You're going to discard that,
and then you can really easily jack it's surprising, separate

(35:58):
the layers of the onions so they come away in
these beautiful big leaves. And remember we only cut them
down one side. So what you're able to do is
you'll get about six or seven leaves or layers from
each onion. And I just love that metaphor of separating
the layers of the heeling back the onion dry and
pat them a bit dry. Right in the center the

(36:19):
hearts of those you can chop those fine men add
those to the stuffing. They won't be much used to
us because they're too small. But then you place a
big spoonful of the stuffing, don't overstuff. Then they'll stitch
you up later into each one of those onion sections
and you sort of roll them up jack and you
paste them seamside down in an oven dish that you've buttered,

(36:40):
and they'll all fit snugly around. And then really simple sauce.
You pure can of tomatoes tin four hundred and fifty
grams of pudiful tomatoes, nice plump tomatoes, two hundred and
fifty miles of cream, bit of cayenne pepper in there,
and some salt. Pour half of that over your onions
and then just start cocking them. Bake them at one
hundred and eighty degrees for about forty five minutes. Spoon

(37:02):
over a bit more sauce as they're cooking. If they
look to be drying out, and they melting and delicious
and divine. Yeah, and you can have them just served
with a little salads.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
They sound beautiful, they really do. They sound incredible, Niki,
thank you. Look what we'll do is we'll put that
recipe of your mom up on the News Talks EP website,
and thank you so much. I know it's been a
really trying a couple of weeks for your family, but
we've been thinking of you and we're so glad to
have you back. So sorry for your loss seven to ten.
You're a Jacktame on News Talks.

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Speaker 2 (37:40):
It'd be Jason to flting me note. So Jack, my
Peruvian wife was just listening to you and loving your
description of the cuisine. We'll tell your Peruvian wife that
I absolutely love Peruvian food. It's just so good. The
po labrasa, the po la brasa, the retisserie chicken was
one of those it's like you had it once and
I was like, oh maybe we should just may should
just have it again? Yes? We just yeah, true, you

(38:02):
know on then next day, are you know what? I
wouldn't mind another little la brassa and the save chair.
I just reckon the thing about raw fish is that
it's one of those rare foods that's both incredibly delicious
and incredibly good for you. There can't be that many
that have the perfect crossover, are they? I don't know anyway.

(38:22):
I'll tell you a bit more about Prue after at
ten o'clock this morning, as well as that our feature
interview this guy, Neil Thompson. He is an amazing conductor.
He's conducted orchestras all around the world. He's heading to
Auckland to lead this amazing new show about Gene Kelly,
so we'll tell you about that as well as that.
Will have your TV show picks for the week in
this week's screen Time section, including a new show Saying Nothing,

(38:43):
which I'm very excited about. News is next, It's almost
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Speaker 2 (39:29):
Chase glon New Zealan, Good morning, Welcome to news Talk's Envy.
Jack came with you through the twelve o'clock Next year,
The Auckland Philarmonia Orchestra is going to perform an incredible
one night only performance of Gene Kelly, A Life in Music.
The show is a mesmerizing trip down memory lane with
a combination of film clips, stories, and live performance, highlighting

(39:49):
the legendary dancer, director, and choreographer Gene Kelly, who celebrated
and popularized dance in mainstream cinema. Leading the orchestra as
musical conductor extraordinary Neil Thompson. Neil has had all sorts
of amazing jobs. He's worked in concert halls and with
orchestras around the world. Well, he actually did a similar
live show Titanic in Auckland and twenty eighteen. And Neil

(40:11):
is currently the principal conductor and Artistic director at Orchestra
Philharmonica Jigoyas, the Philharmonic Orchestra of Goyas in Brazil, and
he joins us from Brazil this morning. Counda good morning,
good morning, It is great to be yes, well, good afternoon. Yes,
it is a bit of a bit of a head
spin when we're going from Brazil to Auckland, but of

(40:33):
course you are very soon going to be coming from
Brazil to Auckland and so tell us first of all,
a little bit about why tell us about gene Kelly
A life in music.

Speaker 14 (40:43):
Well, my connection with this show is very personal because
earlier in my career I did a lot of these
movies live with symphony orchestra. About ten fifteen years ago,
I was booked to do Singing in the reren at
the Album Hall. It was the first time singing in
arena had been done live with symphony orchestra. At about

(41:05):
a month before the show, I got this email from
the title was from missus gene Kelly, and I thought, now,
what's what's this? This is interesting And I had this
very friendly note just saying that she was going to
be introducing the show and it would be nice to
meet me and everything. And so I was expecting this
woman in her eighties, you know, to turn up. And

(41:29):
then there was this very glamorous woman in her late
fifties who I met at the Album Hall and we
became friends. We got on well, I got We got
on well really from from from the off and we
did Singing in the Rain in Dublin. We did it
also another show in London, and Patricia told me that

(41:50):
she'd been thinking about making a show, which really showed
Jeanes the range of his work, you know, and he
was if you only have to listen to him sing,
he was one of the most apely musical people that
you have that one could I even talk like I've
met him. It's interesting. That's that's something I'll talk about,

(42:14):
one of the most instinctive. There's not a sound that
comes out of his mouth or a move that he
makes isn't musical. So she wanted it to be something
that highlighted this, you know, Gene Kenny and music. So
it's basically two and a half hours of clips from
various films and TV programs across the length along the
length of his career. The films have been absolutely scrubbed up,

(42:40):
so you've never you've never seen prints like it now.
I mean, it's it's fantastic. They're so clean, the sound
is so clean, and what is important is that the
music is the original orchestrations that were used in the movies,
which have been reconstructed. This might not seem like such
a big deal, but when you know that when one
chief executive of MGM arrived I think in the seventies,

(43:02):
that could be wrong. He decided that basically the library
where all the mw from all these great musicals whilst
was taking up space. So now it's it's landfill under
a golf course summer in California. So all these scores
and the orchestral parts were destroyed. So my friend and
old student, John Wilson, who's made a really a career

(43:24):
out of doing this, has reconstructed all these scores to
their original glory. And you had to do most of
it just by seeing little sketches on manuscript paper, but
by listening to the recordings, I mean, it's it's an
extraordinary sort of labor of love. So this film is
very special for that because it's really authentic. You know,

(43:45):
the clips look fantastic, and the it's the original orchestrations.
So this show was in gestation for many years. I
think there was a lot of things of getting the
rights to the movies. When anytime you do something with
film music, you spend more time speaking to lawyers than
you do to musicians, and that's just the way it is.

(44:06):
So it took Patricia a long time to get it
into shape. Then we did the premiere of it must
have been before the pandemic in Scotland in Glasgow and Edinburgh,
then the year later in Dublin. Last year we did
three shows in Seattle, and we've just done two shows
in Vancouver last weekend, in fact, last Saturday, last Friday

(44:28):
and Saturday was in Vancouver. So and now we're coming
to New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, that is that is remarkable, Neil. So I'm going
to ask you a bit more about about Jane and
the kind of relationship you feel with Jane. In a moment,
can you just just talk to us about how the
actual mechanics of the show works. So from from the
perspective of someone in the audience, the orchestra is playing
music which is perfectly timed to the projections on screen,

(44:56):
right are.

Speaker 14 (44:57):
They projected the film and the orchestra is playing live
and then it's my problem to make sure it's synchronizing.
And then in between each clip, Patricia talks about the films,
talks about the clips. But I think what is wonderful
is that she she has so many stories about Gene
that people come away to feeling that they know him

(45:19):
a little bit. And I mean, really, now I've done
the show so many times, I feel like I've worked
with them and when I when I talk about him,
I call him Gene, which could sound sort of very pretentious,
but it's completely un self conscious. I feel I know
the man. And this is wonderful, it's very it's it's
very rare to have that sense of, you know, with

(45:39):
a person who's no longer with us, to have that
personal collection. And this is what takes away from it.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
It is amazing that that you can form that connection.
I suppose it's the kind of magic of the arts,
isn't it? And and especially when as you described, the
process involves a certain amount of reverse engineering, right like you,
you are going back and unlike a composer who would
be writing something afresh and writing something from scratch, it's

(46:07):
taken that meticulous attention to detail, to listen to every
quaver and semi quaver, every single instrument, every every pause,
every coder, and work out how the whole kind of
jigsaw fits together. Like, give us a musicians perspective, how
would that compere to a regular composing process.

Speaker 14 (46:29):
Well, I mean, for a for a start, you're you're reconstructing,
So even if you were a composer, you're not putting
your own voice into it. You're reconstructing someone else's it's
a recreative process rather than a creative process. Because if
you're a composer and you're writing a symphony, it's going
to be your voice. But as in the recreation process,

(46:50):
you're trying to find the essence of somebody else's voice.
And that's what's so fascinating. John Tommy, he's reconstructed a
lot of the movies. He reconstructed The Wizard of Oz
and he said he spent like six hours over three
bars listening with his ear up against the speaker, trying
to work which instrument was playing.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Which note, surely, surely AI for this now, Neil, come on,
there must be some must technical solution.

Speaker 14 (47:17):
Is AI compositions that I mean, maybe in the future
they'll be good, But that's terrible.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah. So so for you flying in your like you
say you've been, you've been around the world recently, how
does it work with the Philharmonic. You just have to
hope that they've been doing their homework and you fly
into Auckland and basically you sit down, you turn on
the screens and you find.

Speaker 14 (47:36):
Out I mean basically, I mean, if I remember from
the last time you have you have a rehearsal with
the walkstra clearly to go through everything. Then you'll have
a rehearsal on the day of the concert when you
run everything with the film. But I mean, and I
know this books, I remember the sooks. They're very good,
they're very quick, very nice. So I'm not I'm not
worried about it at all. My only worry is myself

(47:57):
because to synchronize with the film, even though I've done
it seven or eight times, it's if you're half a
second out or you know, it doesn't sing so and
people notice. In a way, if you do your job perfectly,
nobody notices you're there. But if you're not together with
the film, oh yeah, there's a conductor. There's a conductor there,

(48:19):
you know.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
So that's a very good point. Sorry to interrupt you.
It's a very good point because if you were if
you were conducting an orchestra regularly, no one notices if
you are going slightly faster or slower than you should be.
And if you are conducting an orchestra for say a ballet,
well we can always play in the bellerinas, right, But
this it's all on you. It's all on Niels. If

(48:42):
you're Everyone knows.

Speaker 14 (48:43):
That Neils Off I think you said. He always goes
into rehearsal. He says, so what do you want today?
Too fast or too slow? So that's the.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Works very good. Hey, hey, Neil, tell us a little
bit about your story. How did you end up in
brazila all places?

Speaker 14 (48:59):
It's the other part of my career is I was
a professor of the Rock College of Music for fourteen years,
and teaching is something that I absolutely love and I
still do mostly master classes. And I did in two
thousand and five of two thousand and six a workshop
at the Row College of Music and that it was
a summer school, and there was a guy from Guyana

(49:23):
was one of the students, and he said to me, oh,
we was keeping touch and must come and conduct. We
have a little we have an orchestra there and you know,
And I didn't hear anything for like six or seven, yeah,
six years, and then out of the blue, I got
an email, would you like to come and conduct this
new uct We've just started a new professional orchestra. And
they gave me two concerts and it went very well.

(49:45):
It was a good connection between the orchestra and me
and the chief executive and the orchestra said, how would
you like to be our new principal conductor? I said, okay, yeah,
I would like that very much. So it was it
was one of those chants meetings that that led to this.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, how do you find it? How's the life? You know,
having having held other positions around the World War, what
what's the life like living in central Brazil.

Speaker 14 (50:13):
Yeah, it's very hot and it's very dry, that's for sure,
which makes problems for the instruments of the musicians, so
they suffer a little bit with that. What is wonderful
about goy Ass go Ass is the sort of Texas
of Brazil. It's a big cattle state and Guyanea, I
guess you could call the Nashville of of of Brazil.

(50:34):
It's the home of brazili And it's something called certain Asia,
which is Brazilian country and western and it's huge here.
I mean, these these people are there were you know,
are absolutely huge. There millions and millions and millions of followers.
So go Ass was only really known for certain Asia.
So when I came, everything was possible because everything was new.

(50:56):
There was no in some power. You've got a history
of classical music and you can know, oh, you can't
play this compost. You have to play this, you have
to do this, and that the audience is very slightly
older and middle class, very middle class. And my job
in Brazil, all my concerts are free. So it's the democratization,
democratization of classical music. And this is wonderful to see

(51:18):
our public go from students to old people. The demographic
is very wide. And when I came people said to me,
you can't do concerts longer than sixty minutes. You can't
play this compost of people will be bored. You've got
to play popular stuff. I said, no, I'm gonna I'm
gonna do this, show your public some respect, and we
did in July a Bruckner Symphony seventy five minutes. This

(51:39):
would have been unthinkable that ten years ago that the
public would have sat through. I mean, when I came on,
I took my bow and I thought when I turned
around at the end, there's going to be like three
people left in the theater, and it was still full,
you know, And that for me, that was really a
sense of classical music is not dying. You know. In
Europe we're very pessimistic about this, Oh, classical music's dying?

(52:01):
Is that not in Brazil?

Speaker 5 (52:02):
It's not.

Speaker 14 (52:03):
You know, every city has a little orchestect can be
a social it could be an amateur orchestra. It can
be an orchestra in the church. But there's an audience
there for pastor music. You've just got to find a
way to build it and to communicate it. So from
that point of view, I can play pieces that they
could never plan some power Oreo because the audiences are
more conservatives, are more traditional, so everything is possible here.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Well, look, Neil, we are so excited to have you
come to New Zealand. It does sound like an amazing show.
So look, have a wonderful little break over the Christmas
period and yeah, we look forward to seeing you very.

Speaker 14 (52:41):
Soon in March. Great, that is very much.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
That is Neil Thompson. We're going to have all the
details for Gene Kelly a Life and Music up on
the news talks He'd website. So, like I said, it's
playing for one, not only March fifteenth, twenty twenty five.
Even saying twenty twenty five still feels weird. It's going
to be the Auckland Town Hall and tickets for all
shows at the Auckland Arts Vessel are available at www.

(53:04):
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I think you work that out. Twenty one past ten
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Talks EDB. You're with Jack Tayman. It is screen timetime
on your Saturday morning. Very excited about this one. We've
got three fantastic news shows. Chris Schultz is here with
his recommendations in studio, and these are three shows that
I reckon. I'm gonna love Chris, so I'm stoked about that.
Let's begin with June Prophecy, which is streaming on neon.

Speaker 13 (53:42):
Do you want the bad news?

Speaker 14 (53:44):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Okay, well maybe two out of three, two out of three.
I'll take two out of three.

Speaker 17 (53:48):
Yeah, I'm like you massive June fan. Right Like when
we came out of that horrible five month lockdown, the
first thing I did was go to a cinema and
see June one, and it blew my mind. Yeah, the
best sci fi movie we've seen earlier this year, they
repeated the track with Joan two, Bigger, Better, Noisier. So

(54:08):
studio executives have obviously said, let's make a TV show,
Let's make more of this, Let's give the fans more.
Because these have been such a hit in the movie theaters.
This has been troubled this show. Producers have dropped out
an eevil and you dropped out. Yeah, showrunners changed. This
is a prequel, right, So it's set ten thousand years

(54:30):
before June, and this is a problem when you're trying
to fill in backstory where the movies kind of hint
at this stuff and it's just kind of there, right,
And then if you're going back and trying to fill
in those blanks, it's not really a story.

Speaker 13 (54:44):
It's kind of fan service.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Right.

Speaker 17 (54:46):
So the first episode of this is just a brutal
historical explanation of things that happened. The first twenty minutes
is just voiceover really of like someone opening a June
encyclopedia and reading to you what happened. It's honestly some
of the hardest TV I've ever had to sit through.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, Okay, which is a shame, right, because June is
so cool. Yeah, of course, like.

Speaker 13 (55:12):
The and the toy, like the armor.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
And they and everything is this is amazing. Okay, but
maybe if you're a Dune fan, just avoid this one
and just pretend it never happened. Maybe that could ever
the approach to June prophecy. Probably yeah, okay, well, I'm
cautiously optimistic. The second pick is going to be a
bit more promising. Say Nothing is an amazing book by
Patrick rad and Keith. I think we've talked about it
on the show before. It's honestly one of my favorite

(55:37):
nonfiction reads ever, and it's just been adapted for a
new show on Disney Plus.

Speaker 17 (55:41):
Well, Patrick rad and Keith does something kind of miraculous.
He takes these huge topics and he turns them into
page turners. He dies into these stories like the opioid
crisis in America for years, and he talks to everyone,
but then he turns them not into historical times, but
into like almost that you're reading a movie.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Yeah, yeah, it's like, yeah, he turns it almost like
it's it's they call it like literally nonfiction, literally nonfiction.

Speaker 6 (56:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah, And so say Nothing is the story of the
troubles it's a personal story from the troubles.

Speaker 17 (56:13):
Right, Yeah, So turning that story into a book is
hard enough. To then turn it that book into a
TV show is even more difficult. But they've done it
like this has about unlike June that has about twenty
seconds of history.

Speaker 13 (56:25):
At the start, they just plunk you in Northern Ireland.

Speaker 17 (56:27):
They say, here's where you're at, here's what's going on,
and then they just rip into this story and it
just fizzes, This crackles with energy and life and it
just draws you in immediately. It's about two sisters at
the center of this conflict who kind of grew up
with you know, bank robberies and assassinations and bombings going
on and just wanted to be part of it and

(56:48):
had this real impact on what happened.

Speaker 13 (56:51):
So it flips all over the place.

Speaker 17 (56:54):
They tell a story from the vantage point of one
of the sisters who's much older and being interviewed, suspecting
that this story would never get told. Yeah, so that's
in there, and then they flash back and show you
what actually happens.

Speaker 13 (57:07):
Right, you know what makes us better? What the Irish accent?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Oh yeah, of course, it's so good.

Speaker 17 (57:12):
It just makes any TV show saying its eighteen percent
and I know that's really basic. But it's the same
with Bad Sisters. That's why I love that show.

Speaker 13 (57:20):
It just it just.

Speaker 17 (57:21):
Makes it saying I almost need they're really thick in
the show. I almost had the subtitles on, but it's
really good.

Speaker 13 (57:26):
This is going to be like top five for me.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Wow, Okay, great, So that's say nothing because the way,
just for people who don't maybe know the background of
the book and obviously the TV show, the way it
worked was I think it was Boston University. I could
have the university wrong there. But after the troubles, they
had researchers go over because of course New England and
the US has a close connection, you know, the Irish
in New England, they're going to readly close connection with Ireland,

(57:50):
and so they had archivists go over to Northern Ireland
and interview people who were intimately involved in the troubles
conflict on the proviso that those interviews would never be
publicly released. So they just said, we just want this
for the historical record. It's not going to be released
for decade until well after your death, you know, to
your Family's not going to affected all that kind of thing.
But then I think there have been some legal challenges

(58:12):
around those actual archives. So once the kind of US
authorities found out that there were potentially potentially people who
had been involved with murders during the troubles who had
given up interviews about that, then all of a sudden
they were like, hang on, we want to listen to
those recordings as well. From journalistically, it was very complex,
and somewhere along.

Speaker 17 (58:31):
The way Patrick rad and Keefs got his hand made
this book and that's how we ended up with the
amazing TV show.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Okay, this sounds sounds really good, so say nothing is
on Disney Plus. Also on Disney Plus very much looking
forward to this Endurance.

Speaker 13 (58:44):
Knew it.

Speaker 17 (58:44):
I picked this one for you. Yeah, this is incredible.
This is about the nineteen fourteen ship, the Endurance inn
A Shackleton left Europe looking for the South Pole. He
wanted to be famous for finding the South Pole. You've
got a crew of twenty four people. I don't think
it's any spoiler to say the boat got stuck in
ice and eventually sank, and they went on this endurance,

(59:05):
this incredible attempt at survival. It went for years, So
this documentary is about that. The incredible thing is they
had a camera on the boat. They've got footage of
the boat sinking. It's all colorized and restored. Them living
on the ice. It's fascinating. But there's that, and then

(59:27):
parallel to that is the story of them looking for
the shipwreck. It's one of the last shipwrecks, yeah, to
be found. So on twenty twenty one, team of explorers
during COVID went down there a great place to be
probably during that time, on a boat in the middle
of nowhere. They kind of go through the same thing.
They get stuck in ice. They've got a submersible, they're

(59:48):
scanning the ocean floor. They're running up against these deadlines, weather,
all that kind of stuff. And again I think we
all remember the headlines from that time. They don't have
a documentary if they don't find this thing. So the
reveal in this movie is just extraordinary. The footage is readable,
but juxtaposed with the footage of these survivors at the

(01:00:11):
same time just kind of it brings these two stories
together to this kind of climax.

Speaker 13 (01:00:15):
It's I don't know, it's it's a.

Speaker 17 (01:00:16):
Nerdy film, you know, it's a bit of a nerdy film,
but but I feel.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Like, I mean, everyone's everyone who knows the story as
a Shackleton man, right, I mean, I just it's such
a ridiculously, such a ridiculous and epic story of survival,
the links, the leadership.

Speaker 17 (01:00:33):
Yeah, just like rowing these boats across icy landscapes with
no food and like finding these deserted islands and then
setting off again because no one was there. Like it's yeah,
it's a it's a crazy story. And the fact there's
footage of so much of it and they kept.

Speaker 13 (01:00:48):
It during all that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Yeah, mind line, is there much on Frank Worsley, you know,
who's the Kiwi guy who was one of one of
Shackleton's central guys there they paid a fair but a
role with the photographs and stuff as well.

Speaker 13 (01:01:00):
I think he gets a mention.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, right, maybe he was. He was one of the
he's from one of the guys on that on that, yeah,
on the epic journey. So yeah, very good. That sounds
amazing too. So that's on Disney Plus. That's Endurance Say
Nothing is also on Disney Plus and Dune Prophecy, I
mean Competer the other two. I'm gonna be honest, Chris,

(01:01:23):
A bit of a no brainer this week, but that's
on Neon. So maybe for the absolute most enthusiastic King
June fans, thank you so much, very good to see
your physical Kay Shults right now. It is twenty eight
minutes to eleven. You Rejectaime on news Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on news Talks, it'd.

Speaker 12 (01:01:45):
Be I've been taking I love wind.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
You will go crazy and you'll think on my and ambitious.

Speaker 18 (01:01:51):
Baby, it's nothing you'll take me places that.

Speaker 10 (01:01:55):
There on my reputation, Nebulema decisions.

Speaker 12 (01:01:59):
Baby, there's nothing.

Speaker 9 (01:02:03):
What a gem?

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
What a gem? This is short, there's nothing holding me back.
I got it. Yeah, I won't do that again. The
songs just had a cool two billion streams on Spotify alone,
two thousand million streams. Yeah. At the age of fifteen,
Shawn mendes is six second covers of songs on the
now defunct video platform Vine absolutely took off. He got signed.

(01:02:27):
He was basically on the road non stop for the
next six or seven years, and then about five years
ago he had a couple of grammyknoms. I sold out
eighty d eight world tour ahead of him. He was
the face of Calvin Klein and at the very pinnacle,
the very apex, the toemuter of his career, Sean pulled
the plug. Yeah, he said he just needed a break.

(01:02:48):
He'd reached a bit of a mental health breaking point.
He canceled the tour. He was only twenty two years old,
and he just said at that time he couldn't handle it.
He just couldn't handle it, which is honestly fair enough. Anyway,
it's been about four years since we heard any new
music from Shawn Mendes, and now he has returned. He's
got a brand new album and where he used to
sing about love Sewan has turned into a more sort

(01:03:12):
of introspective space. So the album's called Sean, and we're
going to play you some before midday today as well
as that. After eleven o'clock there is a new Jack
Reach Your book out. It's one of these ones where
Lee and his brother Andrew Child have both got together
to Pennett. So we're going to tell you about In
Too Deep, which is the new Jack Reacher novel before
eleven o'clock. We're in the garden right now. It is

(01:03:33):
twenty three minutes to eleven. This is news dogs.

Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
They'd be putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The
mic asking breakfast, I've.

Speaker 18 (01:03:41):
Got a question mark around the new proposed medical school
in Wycatto. It's National Party policy, of course, but Act
to wonder about the maths and whether it all adds up.
The ACT leader David Seymore's with us.

Speaker 19 (01:03:49):
It's absolutely an argument around how you get more doctors,
for example, when it makes sense to expand the two
very good medical schools we've got before we eat the
fixed costs on creating.

Speaker 8 (01:03:59):
A new one.

Speaker 18 (01:03:59):
This is a fight, Tom, Have you been recruited by
a tiger in Auckland because they don't like the fight
and broken?

Speaker 19 (01:04:03):
You know, I look at the later University of Auckland's
for he to earlier in my degree with a forty
second in.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
The world when I was there.

Speaker 19 (01:04:09):
Now we're one hundred and fifty because of the unending
crap I insisted on teaching instead of actual science and
academia that I was prejudiced it'd be against author.

Speaker 18 (01:04:18):
Back Monday from six am, The Mike asking Breakfast with
the rain drove of the last news talk.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
ZB twenty one to eleven, non news talks, ZEDB. There's
this thing with modern communication that really irritates me. It's
when people send me voice memos. It's just so annoying.
You can do it via text these days, or we
can do it on WhatsApp. So instead of typing out
a message, you just hold the microphone and then end
up talking inevitably for about three minutes longer than you
absolutely needed to to send a message to someone. I
don't for whatever is it really really grinds my gears.

(01:04:45):
And of course I made the mistake of telling my
friends this, and so they send me nothing but voice memos. Anyway,
WhatsApp is coming out with a new service whereby it'll
transcribe those incredibly annoying voice notes and our Textburt Paul
Stine houses here with all the details. Oh my goodness, Paul,
I'm so excited. Aren't they just the worst?

Speaker 9 (01:05:05):
Read your message? Don't want to hear your podcast, you
just want to read it. Yeah, but this is great.
This is kind of like one of these good things
about AI. Right, So it's coming to Android, it's coming
to iOS in the coming weeks, according to WhatsApp.

Speaker 14 (01:05:18):
I like it.

Speaker 9 (01:05:19):
Because it is actually faster to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Talk, but it's quick to read. Yes, oh ah, so
obvious and I've never thought about that.

Speaker 9 (01:05:28):
Yeah, but that's why people like it, right, That's why
people send them because it's great for them. Pain in
that if you want to be the recipient. So yes,
this is actually the best of both worlds. Now, it's
not going to be done by the cloud though, which
is probably a good thing for those privacy conscious folks.
It's going to be done on the device, so WhatsApp
doesn't actually know the contents of what that person is saying.

(01:05:50):
But yeah, coming in the next couple of weeks, keep
an eye out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Very good. Hey, bitcoin is just going to the moon
at the moment, as they say, or to the moon
the stars. Yeah, one hundred grand so one book coins
very quickly approaching one hundred thousand years dollars.

Speaker 13 (01:06:04):
Yeah, wild.

Speaker 9 (01:06:04):
I just took a look today all and back a
little bit. But it did get shy of about one
hundred and fifty dollars of hitting the one hundred thousand
dollar mark this time in twenty twenty two, but coin
was fifteen thousand.

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
Dollars, so huge rise.

Speaker 9 (01:06:18):
We've seen it again, one hundred and thirty percent so
far this year, just so forty percent, not just forty percent,
forty percent just since the presidential election, which is crazy.
And that's why they think that it will continue to
go because Donald Trump is considered to be crypto friendly,
you see, and so the bulls have got their money

(01:06:39):
on this going sky high.

Speaker 12 (01:06:41):
So keeping an.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Eye, okay, And Amazon is investing four billion dollars in
chat GPT's rival.

Speaker 9 (01:06:47):
Why, Yeah, I have a feeling you might be thinking,
haven't we already talked about this at some point this year?
Because yea, we have. This is the second, yes, their
second four billion dollar investment that Amazon's made in Anthropics,
So they've just thrown a casual eight billion dollars at
the company this year. Insane interesting though, Jack. They've made

(01:07:08):
it a condition of the deal that Anthropic must use AWS,
their cloud computing service, as their primary cloud provider, and
they've also said that they will use Amazon's AI chips
to develop some of their most advanced models. So it's
a little bit of a we're going to give you cash,
which it sounds like they need, but there are some

(01:07:28):
conditions attached, which I guess it's smart.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Yeah, And speaking of chat gpt. GPT is rumored to
have a web browser in the works.

Speaker 9 (01:07:37):
Yeah, this is some reporting coming from a website called
The Information, and I find it fascinating because when we
think of Google, we think of search, and we also
think of Chrome, and the two are so synonymous that
the doj over here wants to potentially get the courts
to break up Google and force it to sell its
Chrome web browser. So it's really fascinating that chat gpt

(01:08:01):
is now trying to position itself not just as the
new search engine by talking AI, but now wanting to
actually think of themselves as a web.

Speaker 13 (01:08:10):
Browser as well.

Speaker 9 (01:08:11):
So they are coming hot on the heels of Google's
massive monopoly they have over on the market. But it's
interesting here that they say that it may also include
some partnerships and integrations with e commerce websites and apps,
which I found interesting because obviously they haven't found a
great way to monetize chet GPT yet.

Speaker 13 (01:08:33):
Maybe these will be.

Speaker 9 (01:08:35):
Sort of like super premium sponsored results. So you jump
on there and you're like trying to search he chet gpt,
what's the best vacuum cleaner? And maybe it'll pop off
to Walmart or Amazon or the spy or whoever it is,
and maybe there's some sort of tie in there. It
only had a small mention of it, but I'm kind
of fascinated to see how that plays out too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Yeah, and it feels like this is the kind of
technology that could potentially disrupt some of those long term
big digital players, right, so for some for a company
like Google, which you know is still an absolute giant
in the digital space, this is the sort of tech
that could all of a sudden change the game very quickly. Yeah,
and look, this.

Speaker 9 (01:09:12):
CEEO knows that too. He's even made some comments about
the fact that these startups are going to eat their lunch.

Speaker 7 (01:09:18):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:09:18):
Google is kind of like, notoriously the fun office. Right,
you go, you play the ping pong, you do some work,
you have lunch. And he's kind of saying that that's actually, now,
what was a pro of Google has almost become a
con because he's like, the startups are hungry.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Yeah, they don't stop.

Speaker 8 (01:09:35):
That, she said.

Speaker 9 (01:09:36):
He's actually said that that's a concern for their company.

Speaker 14 (01:09:39):
Back to the office people.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Yeah, thanks change, Hey, thanks Paul, appreciate it. That's our textbook.
Paul Steinhouse, thanks for your feedback. As well. Jack. Just
so you know, Lego are about to release the endurance
as in the ship. It looks absolutely fantastic, says Shane.
Didn't know that. I didn't know that, Shane. Oh so
presumably it's the endurance before the endurance went down. But yeah,
look there's a Lego for everything these days, isn't there?

(01:10:03):
But that does sound like a bit of me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Quarter to eleven, a little bit of to kick off
your weekend, then with Jack, Saturday Mornings with Jack Day
and beepewurt dot co dot Nz for high quality supplements
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Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Thirteen two eleven non used talk z'b. Bob Campbell, our
Master of Wine, has chosen his best buye for this weekend.
It's a two twenty twenty four rose from Nelson for
eighteen ninety nine yield of Bob. Why did you choose this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Cure, Jack?

Speaker 14 (01:10:28):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
Well, I thought it looked very Christmas y. It's got
this lovely pink, white and gold label. I'm not usually
influenced by labels, but I was in this case, and
it sort of seemed to capture the essence of Christmas.
And it tastes as good as it looks. That's important,
of course, and I think the wine is a real
crowd pleaser. Who could possibly not like this wine? It's

(01:10:51):
the sort of thing you should have a bottle of
and in the fridge for unexpected guests, because anybody will
enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Nice also good vintage, right.

Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
It was indeed it was the best best for quite
a while, and so a chance to get up close
and personal with the twenty twenty four nice.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
So what does it taste like?

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
Pale? It's a pale, pink colored rose with sort of
restrained gaber pomegranate, wildflowers and raspberry flavors. It's sort of
quite a pristine wine with appealing sort of purity and
a seamless texture. It's got a hint of sweetness balanced
by gentle fruity acidity to give a pleasantly dry finish.

(01:11:38):
So it's not sweet by any means.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Yeah, and you reckon it's a pretty good wine at
a great price, so can you pick it up?

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
Well, it's I found it at the Good Wine Company
in Orckland for fifteen ninety nine, which is a very
sharp price. First Glass Wines and Spirits and Auckland or
sixteen ninety nine. That's a good price too in black
market dot co dot m Z.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Nice. What would you mention with, Bob.

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
Match? It's going to go perfectly with the snapper that
I plan to catch in the long.

Speaker 8 (01:12:11):
Year, don't we all?

Speaker 20 (01:12:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Okay, good, yeah, fresh seafood be really good about a
snapper and giving it to Rose. Drink it up or
keep it for a bit? Do you think?

Speaker 21 (01:12:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
Drink drink it up? No, no panic, but it's not
going to get any better. Just relax and enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Very nice. Okay, thanks Bob. So that is a TOHU
twenty twenty four Rose from Nelson for eighteen ninety nine.
Speaking of Christmas given, oh my goodness for a month
and two days away. After eleven o'clock this morning, we
could catch up with our sustainability expert. She is always
trying to be really thoughtful when it comes to gift giving,

(01:12:54):
and she's got some great tips for us this year.
She's not being a total grint. She wants to make
it really clear she does have tips on giving Christmas gifts,
and not all of them are stuff that you've made yourself.
It's not all just you know, Christmas cards made with
dry macaroni and that kind that kind of thing. No,
she's actually got some stuff that you could buy and
give that she thinks is really thoughtful, plus some alternative

(01:13:14):
options if you don't necessarily want to give stuff, but
you want to give the loved ones in your life
an experience. So she's going to be with us after
eleven with those tips. Right now it is ten to eleven.
We're in the garden next with.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Steal Shop Don't Beless, their biggest spring sale ever.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Rude climb past our men in the garden. He's with
us this morning.

Speaker 12 (01:13:33):
Hey road, Hello Jack, Just a message from Julie. Do
you realize we are the best babysitters in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Oh please, We're going to take all volunteers we can get.
We're you going to take all volunteers we can get.
You to be very careful making those kind of commitments
early on. I think we need to at the very
least get a bit of a steer on the sleeping
patterns and that kind of thing.

Speaker 12 (01:13:54):
Yeah, I know, I love babies though, it's absolutely true.
But there you are. Hey, great, great.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
News, Thank you, No, thank you?

Speaker 12 (01:14:02):
Yeah, talk about it later.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Yeah, well we'll we're talking about some other babies this morning.
Some native bees that you've been noticing around your neck
of the woods.

Speaker 12 (01:14:10):
Yeah, I've been looking for data bees here in the
Carswell Quarry. But that's not I found a few. That's
not the point. But I must tell you that there
was something else that I did find there. And they
were significantly little conically shaped holes right with the diameter
of about thirty millimeters or something like that, situated in
dry bits of soil. And I looked at it and

(01:14:31):
I thought, I've seen that. Well, I know what this is.
And the sow started looking it up, and there we are.
I remember what it is.

Speaker 14 (01:14:38):
They are what they call.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Ant lions and lions.

Speaker 12 (01:14:43):
Yeah, ant lines. Isn't it a lovely name? Ant lines.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
It's just like an ant like and then a lion
like the King of the jungle.

Speaker 12 (01:14:50):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Wow.

Speaker 12 (01:14:51):
So these are these are actually neuroptera or if you like,
you know, neuropteran group of insects that basically have their
young in pits that they make their own pits, which
are quite steep and deep, and in the bottom in
the face of that particular pit lives the baby off
that particular end lion and it sits there basically doing

(01:15:14):
nothing until an end or something else walks nearby or
slips into the pit which is a trap. And then
and then what happens is amazing. The moment the end
lying feels the sand coming down in the pit, it
starts throwing sand back up at this stupid end that

(01:15:36):
fell into its pit as if it tries to escape,
and so it throwscends up by making these end lions,
it to sort to make those ants lose their balance
and they fall down and it's becoming prey.

Speaker 6 (01:15:49):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
So basically the ant falls in a hole, it tries
to climb out, and this thing just throws dirt at it.
So falling down an amazing.

Speaker 12 (01:15:59):
It is the wonderful and most wonderfullest way.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Well, yeah, no it's not.

Speaker 12 (01:16:05):
But there's other things they eats. Well, they eat caterpillars.
They eat also little beetles and so on. But that's amazing.
Now I put a photo on the website and you
can see what that endline baby looks like with two
enormous jaws with serrations. And boy they are quick, these guys,
they are fabulous.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:16:25):
So they do this during the day, but mostly at night.
But during the day is what I do because if
I find a little hole like that, I throw little
bits of scent down into the bottom of the end
Line's trap, and the end Line comes out, looks at
me and starts throwing sind at me. And I thought,
it's just a nice thing you can do with your
new child one day.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Oh that's amazing. Yeah, okay, yeah, thank you so much. That. Yeah,
there's beautiful.

Speaker 14 (01:16:49):
What.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
We're going to make sure they put those photos up
on the on the website as well. Do you know,
I'm not sure that. I don't think I've ever heard
of an endline until today.

Speaker 12 (01:16:57):
No, but I think it's so wonderful for that creature,
because it's a clever little bum that actually throws sense.

Speaker 13 (01:17:04):
Yeah, it's pray, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Yeah, it's very good. Hey, thank you sir. All right,
we'll make sure those photos are online, and thank you
very much for the generous sofare. I don't think you
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All of those photos will be on the news talksb website.
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latest from Lee and Andrew Child. Yes there is a
new Jack Reacher book just in time for Christmas. News
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Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Gooday, Hi, how's it going? Good morning Kilton, New Zealand's
Jack tame here. So I got to be back in
the studio. It's the first time we've been doing Saturday
Mornings live from our regular studio looking at producer Libby
in the flesh for more than a month, because what
it was the start of October that we headed over
to the US to cover the US election. Then we're
in Peru and all around the place. If you want

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Peru and the US. Now before the day on News
Talks B, we've got new music few from Sure Mendes.
He's had just a really interesting few years. He was like,
honestly one of the biggest pop stars in the world,
had this huge global tour planned something like eighty different
dates plan all around the world. So you know, he
was incredibly in demand, and he just decided that actually

(01:19:27):
it was all a bit too much. For mental health reasons,
he decided to pullp in on the tour. He decided
to step back from music for a little bit, step
back from the limelight for a little bit. But anyway,
Sure Mendes is back after a bit of a hiatus.
He's got a new album called Heart of Gold, and
before twelve o'clock, I'm going to make sure we have
a bit of time so we can listen to the
album as well as that very much looking forward to

(01:19:47):
this one. Suspects that may have been published just in
time for Christmas, the latest from Lee and Andrew Child
their latest Jack Reach a book in Too Deep. I'll
give you all the details on that shortly. Right now,
it is nine minutes past eleven and time to getch
up with us. Sustainability commentator Kate Hall aka Ethically Kate
Gilder whatever, Well, Christmas is upon us once again, and

(01:20:08):
one thing that I know you and I are absolutely
aligned on is that one of the great mistakes in
life is that people end up spending way too much
money on gifts that no one actually wants. It's just
one of those ridiculous things. And I am just so
with you and that we should be giving thoughtful gifts,
but maybe giving experiences rather than stuff that cost the world.

(01:20:30):
And if you are going to give a gift, you
really don't want to be spending the world, but you
want to be thinking quite carefully about it.

Speaker 22 (01:20:36):
Absolutely, I think Christmas can be a really stressful time
for people because it's a financial burden, and you know,
there's all this responsibility about the right gifts, and then
the gifts ultimately end up not being used, but we
can use it as a really great time to actually
get creatives and yeah, to give back and show our

(01:20:58):
friends and family that we love them in ways that
actually don't cost the earth and don't cost you know,
so much for our wallets.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Yes, yes, I don't know how we should break this down,
but let's start off by just thinking about some alternatives
to like material gifts, and then we can talk about
the material gift side of things if you want to
go down that path, because you've got a great blog
with suggestions there. But if you don't want to end
up spending hundreds of dollars on something or on you know,

(01:21:25):
on an item as such, what are some alternatives to that?

Speaker 11 (01:21:28):
So we've got a classic, you know kind of gift
up to things like a massage or an experience, you know,
bungee jumping. That's not my cup of tea, but you know,
doing something outdoors, really thinking about the person and what
they'd like to do. I can guarantee you know they're
going to remember that experience more than you know, just
the random knick knack you've picked up last minute from them.

(01:21:52):
All so thinking about experiences and you know what actually
people like to do, also thinking about how can I
how can I give back this Christmas? So like one
year with my fino, we didn't give physical gifts. We
gave money to certain charities, but keeping in mind the

(01:22:12):
person we were giving it too. So for example, my
brother is a great musician, and I gave I think
how budget was about fifty dollars to a music therapy organization.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Cool.

Speaker 7 (01:22:24):
So yeah, you know, so it's not just you know.

Speaker 22 (01:22:27):
Kind of giving back kind of randomly to any your organization,
but it's there's that personalized element too. Yeah, so yeah,
you know, giving.

Speaker 11 (01:22:35):
Back Like he felt great, we all felt great.

Speaker 22 (01:22:37):
And we sat around and exchanged those gifts and had
a really yeah cool kind of time just talking about
those different organizations as a family, and there was no
kind of need for wrapping paper, yeah, bundles in the corner.
There's yeah, no rubbish involved in that. So those experiences
and giving back I think.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Some of the inks at once, even speaking as a
as a gift receiver, I mean, I'm just I'm like
the world most difficult person to buy for. But that's
the point, I guess I don't. I don't necessarily want
to be bought for in that in that in that honestly,
having an experience is as valuable to me as anything
like give me a memory, you know, that's that's the
that's the thing that you cherish and years.

Speaker 22 (01:23:20):
To come exactly. And there's you know, like different love
languages we talk about, right, so physical gifts is just
one of them, you know, the experiences and spending time
as another. But one thing I also really like we
did once with my family is kind of acts of
service instead. So we like my sister were a little
voucher for setting up kind of a lovely romantic dinner

(01:23:44):
with me and my husband Tim, Tim and I gave
mom and dad a vouchers for two hours of cleaning
their house, you know, different things. That's like, actually, we're
going to be helpful and we're going to do something
that doesn't you know, need to cost a lot, but
it's it's also showing that actually, in the new year,
we want to spend time with you and you know,

(01:24:05):
like keep up the relationship. It's kind of a nice
thing to also say, you know, because with an experience,
you can be involved in that experience with the person too,
So it's quite Yeah, it's a much more thoughtful gesture
than just a random T shirt you've to them all.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Yeah, I like that. Okay. That being said, sometimes you
do want to give a gift. Sometimes you want to
give a physical thing to someone, and you have very
very carefully considered a whole range of different gifts and
you put together a list. I think it's like one
hundred different products, right. But the thing that you've done
very really well is you've gone through some of those
classic gift categories. So you've got like really ethically sourced

(01:24:43):
socks for example, chocolate, wine, all of that good stuff.
So why don't you just pick a couple of favorite
items on there and maybe give us the copeppa behind
your list?

Speaker 22 (01:24:54):
Yeah, so I decided lost years. I kind of sometimes
feel like a bit of a Christmas gritch, you know.
I do say, just give an experience, just do something different,
like I've explained, which is great, But I think every year,
even though I try to give those guests as well,
I always have to buy something. You know, there's a

(01:25:14):
neighbor or an antsy or someone who you know you
may not know well enough to give a proper experience
thatcher or something like that. So I chose all the
classic gift Christmas guests for a reason. I actually asked
my community online, you know what are the most classic gifts,
so you know, soaps and like I said, wine, chocolate, socks.

(01:25:37):
This is about twenty one categories on there. And I
spent several months. I started this way back in July
August looking at brands who have different credentials like they're
made in New Zealand, or they're ethically made, they have
much better packaging, better more sustainable postage.

Speaker 14 (01:25:57):
To you.

Speaker 22 (01:25:58):
They a lot of small businesses, so small kind of
family run businesses, which is you know, it's Christmas for
them for ours to be able to support them. And
when you bring something I find, you know, even if
it is a soap, which can be a really low
cost point, if it's a soap that is made you
know by oh Goodness in Wellington, it comes with the

(01:26:22):
extra story is like this is made you know by
you know, one person who has a great little book
shop down there, and it's a small cost point, but
it comes with that story and it can actually feel
like you know, you're not You're not just buying something
small you're it's actually quite big impact. So yeah, there
are over one hundred different brands and options, lots of

(01:26:45):
discount codes too, because again I think especially this Christmas,
everyone's really feeling it financially, so it needs to be
sustainable financially for you too. So I hope that means that, yeah,
people feel a little less os awhemed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Yeah, I think they're well. Thank you. Kate. That is
Kate Hall. She is our sustainability commentator and you can
find her on all of the social media places forms
by searching ethically Kate. In a couple of minutes on
news talks, he'd be our travel correspondence in this week
he's got the Disneyland dos and don't sixteen past eleven.

Speaker 23 (01:27:18):
Travel with Windy wo tours, unique fully inclusive tours around
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
That is the sweeping epic Disney theme which Mike Hawdly,
our travel correspondent, absolutely insisted he must be introduced with
this morning and fair enough. Mike, I reckon, I reckon,
you know, it's it's the kind of the level of
grandeur that we would expect for someone like your good self.

Speaker 8 (01:28:04):
Indeed, Jack, by the way, I can congratulations on all
of your momentous news and achievements, so you will soon
have another child to lug off to Disneyland.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Yes, I see that. I don't mention anything. I reckon
that seven year old. I reckon he would be Look,
I'm sure he would be very excited by the prospect
of Disneyland. But yes, I've never been. I've never been.
So I'm looking forward to your do's and don't your
tips this morning, because they do say that Disneyland is
one of those places that even if you're not a

(01:28:33):
huge Disney fan, it can be a lot of fun. Yeah,
so I think so, yeah, yeah, Okay, So look, twenty
twenty five is a big anniversary year Fity Magic Kingdom
in Anaheim, right.

Speaker 8 (01:28:43):
Yes, indeed, Jack the original Mouthhouse turned seventy. Guess how
many visitors have trawled through Disneyland since nineteen fifty five.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Okay, let's think about this, seventy years. Let's say what
would be an appropriate number of visitors a day.

Speaker 8 (01:29:00):
I reckon they can house about one hundred and fifty
thousand a day.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Okay, So I reckon if they can house one hundred
and fifty thousand a day, let's say say that it's
one hundred thousand a day, So let's say one hundred
thousand a day. Okay, So you know, are we I mean,
are we are we getting into the Are we getting
into the hunt? I mean we must be in the
hundreds of millions, if not billions.

Speaker 8 (01:29:27):
Yeah, eight hundred million.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
There's hundreds of millions, if not billions.

Speaker 6 (01:29:34):
Well done.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
I mean there's a ridiculous number of visitors.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
Isn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:29:40):
Yeah, it's just yeah. You can fully expect plenty more
to add to that que next year for the big seventy,
And they've got a lot of milestone festivities and store.
They haven't really saw the details, but what I have
managed to find out is there's going to be a
really big focus on nostalgia, a lot of sort of

(01:30:00):
retro theming, a lot of returning parades from over the decades.
And there's also going to be this new stage show
which apparently is going to be very cutting edge with
all of the technology, which is basically going to prize
open the vaults on Walt Disney's Magical Life. So yeah,
a lot of new stuff in store next year.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Where should you start in the park?

Speaker 8 (01:30:23):
Oh my god, Jack, once the gate's open, it's just
incredible to watch all of these billowing queues form at
every single ride. You know, it's just the mass march
of humanity. So if you are a kid at heart,
what I would suggest is forget about the rides. The
starters go straight to Tomtown for a personal photo inside

(01:30:46):
Mickey's house with the mouse himself. I just reckon, that's
one of those little golden moments. Yeah, and then you
can rinse and repeat that right next.

Speaker 7 (01:30:54):
Door with Mini.

Speaker 8 (01:30:55):
So if you do that early, you will only have
to wait about five minutes to get those immortal shots.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
That's good. Opposed to doing it at two o'clock in
the afternoon and you'll be in trouble.

Speaker 8 (01:31:05):
That's it. At two o'clock in the afternoon, you could
be waiting two or three hours. So I know, it's
just insane, So guarantee Mickey first up. And also, by
the way, in Toontown, they've just opened a new ride
called Mckenmonnie's Runaway Railway and it's absolutely superb, So tick
that off early as well, before the queues build.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
What would you rate as the do not miss experiences?

Speaker 8 (01:31:31):
Well, I reckon the original rights are still the best,
So think it's a small World, Mister Toad's Wild Ride,
Peter Pan's Flight, obviously, the Mad Tea Party, Spinning Cups,
the Matter Horn, Bobcats. Something more recent time Star Wars
Galaxies Edge. I think that ride on the Millennium Falcon

(01:31:51):
is truly riveting. And then also you've got that epic
battle scene experience Rise of the Resistance and then in
the adjoining park California Adventure Radiator Springs Races. I just
adore that experience very much from Cars the movie. Yeah,
and also Guardians of the Galaxy that should also top

(01:32:12):
your bingo cart nice.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
How can you expedite time spent queuing?

Speaker 8 (01:32:18):
Yeah, well, the Disney theme parks, they have chopped and
changed the way they've operated priority lanes in recent years.
But to keep things simple, I would strongly suggest you
spend a bit more for lightning lane access. So these
are lightning lane passes that are available on the most
in demand attractions, And the way it works is you
book a time to write via the Disneyland app very

(01:32:42):
short during time and yeah, you can basically just jump
the ques. The multi pass is available for a lot
of the rides, but you can also buy single lightning
lane passes for the likes of Radiator Springs Races or
Rise of the Resistance, and honestly, that will just save
you so many hours that you would waste in queues.

Speaker 6 (01:33:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
That being said, it's a smart idea not to try
and do eve thing in one day.

Speaker 8 (01:33:08):
Yeah, this was the saddest insight I had a few
weeks ago at Disneyland jack By about four o'clock, five
o'clock in the afternoon. I was just alarmed at how
many families I saw in a state of total implosion.
And it was like they were frantically trying to make
every single minute count and the sugar high from all
of those Turo's and the Mickey Waffles had well and

(01:33:30):
truly worn off on the kids. They were in like
a state of meltdown. And it was just the most frazzled,
tantrum prone scene that I thought was just a big
spoiler on what Disneyland should be about. So don't try
and pack it into one day. Definitely by a multi
day pass and just take it at a more leisurely

(01:33:51):
paced I know it's going to cost you more, but
it's worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Yeah, But I mean, if you're already spending the money
to get there, you sort of Actually maybe the premium
gives you that found you it's worth it a ultimately,
would you recommend staying on site at a Disney hotel.

Speaker 8 (01:34:05):
Yeah, these to the better. I reckon to once again
eliminate a bit more stress. I mean, there is quite
a bit of faith involved getting to and from the park,
particularly if you're staying further away. So I stayed at
one of those onsite Disney hotels, the Grand Californian, and
the other really good perk about that is you actually
get a head start on the crowds, so you get

(01:34:26):
access to the parks thirty minutes early. So yeah, it
just gives you that jump on humanity, which is particularly appealing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Yes, yeah, when would be the best time for key
we used to visit.

Speaker 8 (01:34:40):
Well, A good thing for us is that if you're
planning a post Christmas holiday, say like January right through
to March, they are actually the quietest months at Disneyland. January, February, March.
Also mid September to mid November is a quieter period,
so September school holidays is quite good for that. Definitely
avoid July and August like the plague that is jam

(01:35:03):
packed and the other thing, try and pop your visit
for weekdays, particularly Tuesdays and Wednesdays for some reason, are
the quietest days of the week year round. So yeah,
weekends very very busy. Try and avoid the weekend nice.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
And should we add to the list, And I would
not dare suggest you'd be speaking from personal experience here, Mike,
don't lose your cell phone at Disneyland.

Speaker 8 (01:35:28):
Oh my goodness, my misadventure with my cell phone which
happened to a ride on the Millennium Falcon and my
phone was inadvertently dislodged from my say pocket. The whole
experience opened my eyes to what is the most amazing
lost and found machine that hums across Disneyland. So I

(01:35:49):
employ hundreds of cast members to locate and repatriate loss
items like It's like an army of ompulum and they
have a very high success rate. So in my case,
it took six hours for the ompulmpers to wave to
weave their magic. But I up my phone back and
my phone was one of twenty thousands that are misplaced

(01:36:12):
every year at the Zea Land, along with one hundred
and forty thousand hats, wallets, and sunglasses.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Twenty thousand cell phones plus away stuff, So that's a
that's crazy. That'd be fascinating. There's a little film on
that just following the team behind it found. I mean,
that is amazing. Yeah, I wonder how the twenty thousand
are reunited.

Speaker 8 (01:36:35):
Apparently it's ninety two percent.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
It cell phone. That's amazing. Cell phones are easier to
be feared to reunite than some other things. But still that.

Speaker 5 (01:36:44):
Is the only year sort of. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:36:47):
The impression I was left with when I found out
this was they would suggest that people who go to
Disneyland and good people, you know, they're honest people.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Yes, although cell phone isn't Maybe I'm just being naive here,
but maybe not as valuable as it once was, right
because in order to unlock it you need to let
facial or a pen or whatever. So maybe I don't know. Yeah,
I'll be interested to see how much cash that's lost
in wallets is really but still yeah, maybe that's a well,

(01:37:17):
the happiest place in the world. You don't want to
be thieving at the happiest place in the world, do you. Yeah,
not a good lock. Hey. I had a twelve hour
stop over in La on the way back earlier this week.
So it was one of those terrible things where it
was like you land at six am and you leave
at seven pm or whatever, you know. So oh, and
of course we had to take all of our luggage

(01:37:38):
out and all of that. So I ended up getting
a You can actually go and get a locker. So
this is useful for anyone who's in la and maybe
has a day and maybe even want suspended at Disneyland.
You can't keep your baggage at the airport, but nearby
they have locker services and so you can go into
locker for the day. So we ended up going and
putting our equipment in a locker, and then we went
out to Santa Monica and had breakfast and went for

(01:37:59):
a bit of a stroll and you know, went up
to the Griffith Observatory and that kind of thing. So,
you know, with twelve hours, it was much better to
spend it out and about in La or Anaheim that
it is to spend it in lax But yeah, yeah,
thank you so much for your tips. We'll put all
of those on the news talks Heb website so you
can keep Mike's do's and don'ts for Disneyland at the
forefront of your mind if you're planning a trip there. Johnny,

(01:38:21):
slick me a note, you say, Jack. Fun factoid. My
mother's cousins Jerry and Marsha McDougall were the first two
kids through the gate at Disneyland in nineteen fifty five.
It's amazing, Johnny. Thank you only ninety two. If you
want to send us a message just like Johnny did.
It's just gone eleven thirty on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 6 (01:38:41):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks edby.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
That is Friends Ferdinand. Their latest track it's called Night
and Day or Night or Day. They've got a new
album coming out in a couple of months. It's just
gone third or twenty seven minutes to twelve on News Talks.
He'd be and after midday today, Jason Pine is behind
the mic for a weekend sports. Good morning, sir Jack.

Speaker 20 (01:39:33):
Hello, Can I be the latest to congratulate you on
yet another television award and your impending fatherhood? Well done, mate, very.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Much, Thanks Penny. Big game for the Orbecks tomorrow morning
not quite as big as last weekend. I think we're
all expecting a pretty comfortable victory. But what are you
looking out for tomorrow morning, anything in particular peaking your
interests for the Orbecks Italy Just after nine am.

Speaker 20 (01:39:53):
Well, the team selection did for starters. The fact that,
and this may well be, as I heard Sam mentioned earlier,
be a response to what happened last week, the lost
to France, albeit by one point. They want to finish
the season as strongly as possible, so Razors put out
a pretty strong team. So yeah, looking forward to seeing
how how they finished the year. You know, we'll do

(01:40:14):
Razors report card on Weekend Sport tomorrow. People can have
their say whether it's a you know, a mark out
of ten or you know the old fashioned B minus
or C plus or whatever it is. But look, I
just would like to see them finish the season strongly,
you know, scurse score, some tries, give us, some give
us something.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
To to enjoy. Yeah, but of entertainment, it's going to
be very very cold there by the sounds of things.

Speaker 20 (01:40:35):
Elliot Smith's been looking for extra jackets and beanies and
scarves all week. It's gonna be minus minus something at
kickoff tomorrow. But yeah, not looking forward to to see
how they finished the Yes, apparently it's absolutely freezing and
churin ah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
I mean I knew that Italy gets cold. I mean
obviously you can go skiing in itly, but I didn't
think it was going to be like as an Arctic
Arctic check dear. Okay, well, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure
they'll I'm sure they handle things. But yeah, that's to
be interesting. So Alex that's of course, is going to
have the call for us tomorrow morning on news salks
he'd be ten past nine kick off. The allbacks versus

(01:41:12):
at least are looking forward to that phoenix An action
this weekend. So the Wellington women play Adelaide tonight, the
men in Melbourne tomorrow, right.

Speaker 20 (01:41:21):
Yeah, I know the women played last night. I had
a win, yes, and the men are pain tonight the men, yep,
And it's part of you night round. All the games
are in Sydney, so all the teams from both men's
and women's legs are in Sydney at least. I forget
Auckland FC as well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Jack.

Speaker 20 (01:41:34):
You know three from three, Yeah, looking to go four
from four. First time they've had to go to Australia
to play. They had a couple of games at Mount
Smart in the Derby and Wellington, so first chance for
them to play on the other side of the Tasman.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Look, they're in.

Speaker 20 (01:41:47):
Good form as other Phoenix a good win last time out,
so yeah, looking forward to watching both of our men's
teams play over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Here what's on the show this afternoon? Glenn Maxwell's on
the show.

Speaker 20 (01:41:56):
Can't wait to chat to him the Aussie all round
of the Big Show, Bigho. Do you remember Jack in
the twenty fifteen credit. I knew you were probably there.
When we are bowld about for one fifty, we're cruising
and there were all of a sudden we're not cruising
and Glenn Maxwell gives it the choke gesture to the crowd.

(01:42:16):
I want to ask him about that. And of course
that incredible two hundred and one not out he got
at the World Cup last year on One.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
League just the most. I still think that was among
the most ridiculous innings I've ever seen. I mean, I
know it was a T twenty right, but still just
the fact that he could barely walk and he pulled that.

Speaker 13 (01:42:35):
Off was just remarkable. Remarkable.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Yeah, absolutely ludicrous. Is on the show after two.

Speaker 20 (01:42:40):
Also Mark Robinson, the CEO of New Zealand Rugby, his
final regular chat with us. We've got some basketball as well,
some big numbers, wasn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:42:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Sorry, it was.

Speaker 20 (01:42:52):
A white ball white ball guy. They were sort of
blend into one, don't they. Basketball numbers and secondary school
are gangbusters. Dylan Boucher is the CEO of Basketball New Zealand.
He's going to join us to talk about you know
that and the challenges that presents with getting caught for
all of the kids who want to play basketball. So yeah,
I've bit of a mixed bag on the show this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Jace, looking forward to it, Thank you, sir. Jason Pye
will be with us right after midday weekend sport kicking
off right after the twelve o'clock news. Before then, we've
got new music from Sean Mendes. It's been a long
time coming, but it's pretty good, so looking forward to that.
Next up, a new book from Lee Child, The latest
Jack Reacher. All the details in a couple of minutes.

Speaker 6 (01:43:29):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
Saturday Mornings with Jack, Tay and bepewured on code on
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Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Tweeter twelve one news Talks. He'd be Katherine Rains has
picked two cracking books for this weekend. Hey Katherine, Oh,
hang on again, Hey Catherine Jack Sorry, I've got a
press a button sometimes and it's very complicated, okay. So
first book this morning, from Here to the Great Unknown,
by Lisa Marie Presley and Riley Cole.

Speaker 21 (01:44:00):
So, Luca Marie had been working on this memo for years,
luminating history on audio tapes. Course died before she finished it,
but she'd asked Riley, her daughter, to help her write
the book. And so after her mother's death, she completed
this memoir by and she fills in the gaps and
comments on her mother's thoughts, and so she gives us
this really good story of Elvis as a father told

(01:44:24):
by Lisa Marie, and accounted Lisa Marie's life in her
own words, and what she was like as a mother
and a grandmother as told by Riley. So it's laid
out that as I said, Lisa Marie tells her story
and then Riley adds her.

Speaker 22 (01:44:35):
Perspective to it.

Speaker 21 (01:44:36):
And she was the eldest child of Lisa Marie, and
so she was witnessed her to a lot and her
viewpoints really add a lot to the story. And so
it starts with Lisa Marie's early years and bracetand with Alvis,
and she recounts how much she adored living with her
father and the moments when she made him laugh, and
then after his death feeling really displaced and ending up

(01:44:57):
in Los Angeles and living with her mum, Priscilla, and
her real rebellion during those years. Moving from school to
school is a really recurring theme, and she struggles with addiction,
and he gets stories about Michael Jackson and Nicholas Cage
and a really heartbreaking part of the story is when
she talks about the suicide of Riley's brother Benjamin, and
you know, she had been drinking herself to death worrying

(01:45:19):
about his son, and he'd felt responsible for his spiraling
and drug addicted mother and the whole story that Riley
tells through this and she brings it. She has an
excellent job of bringing her mum to life and all
his flaws and you know, and what she was like
as a mum, and this family centered about love, and
you know, it talks all about all of these things

(01:45:39):
and her first husband, who she met as a teenager.
And I really feel like it's this quite raw and
unstorted account of Lisa Marie's life and it's a really
tragic and heartbreaking tale.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
Yeah okay, yeah it does sound. It sounds really sad,
but yeah, fascinating on the list. So that's from Here
to the Great Online by Lisa Marie Presley and Riley Cole.
Next up, I know a lot of people be very
excited about this. They probably already pre ordered it in
time for Christmas. In Too Deep by Lee Child and
Andrew Child.

Speaker 21 (01:46:07):
So believe it or not, this is actually the twenty
ninth book in the Jack Reacher series. And yeah, the
action from the start. So Jack Reacher wakes up alone
and handcuffed in the dark in a place he doesn't know,
and he has a serious arm injury, and he has
no clue how he got there, and his memory is

(01:46:27):
incredibly foggy, but he just knows that the surroundings the
hostile and the last thing he remembers is hitching a
ride with someone and they will run off the road.
Otherwise nothing, And we're in the action right from the
start as he's fighting to survive and he has short
term memory loss, which really doesn't help him work out
what's going on in the story and the characters around him,

(01:46:48):
and who's a villain and who's not, and you know,
who's telling the truth and who might not be. And
so it's classic check creature, you know, los some observations
and confrontations and great tactics and piecing to get it.
The mystery of why he's been taken on what he's
got himself into, and so those layers of confusion and
mistrust around and so, without sporting any more of the plot,
there's a great cast of supporting characters and some excellent villains,

(01:47:11):
and packed with action and suspense as you would expect
from a Jack Richer novel.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
Wonderful, Okay, It's In Too Deep by Lee Child and
Andrew Child, Caspin's first book From Here to the Great
Unknown by Lesson Marie Preesley, both of those, of course
up on the News talks 'b website. It's called it
a twelve. Sewan Mendy is next on Newstalks Z'B.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to
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Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
Is Sewn Mendes Heart of Gold. He's got a new album,
Sean by Sean Mende is a style cliff at our
Music Review has been listening killed I'll kill that waiting.

Speaker 24 (01:48:04):
Yeah, absolutely, And I am actually really digging this version
of Seawan.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Mendes introspective Sean as opposed to pop being a Sean.

Speaker 24 (01:48:11):
Yeah, because actually, do you know there's times in this
album and it's like that full like they're plugged in
acoustic guitar, full strum, and he kind of reminds me
of artists like Passenger Mike Rosenberg and they've got that
sort of indie There's a bit of rock to it
as well, and I guess when he's playing it live
is a chance to go a little more for along
with that, And I yeah, I'm kind of digging this

(01:48:33):
for his voice. I think that this is maybe a
route he should stay with for a bit. Yeah, right, okay, Yeah,
which is quite a big call too when you've been
this big pop megastar ra yeah, and then if had
to step back from that. But I think that the
vulnerability and the real personal journey and story he's writing in.

Speaker 11 (01:48:50):
These lyrics sit better with.

Speaker 24 (01:48:53):
This style of of music anyway, the indie roots kind
of style. I don't think you would get away with
some of the depth of the lyrics that he's going
into if you were, yeah, if you're gonna, if you're
gonna do this big pop dance stuff that he probably
has done before, some real catchy rhythms. It's one of
those albums you can get to know pretty quickly because

(01:49:16):
of those big rhythms the melodies. There's some beautiful harmonies
that come in quiet stuff, and then it's got that
classic band you know, when there's just good drums, guitar, bass,
and you're like, yeah, this is what makes some real
good music. But then some other random stuff like every
now and then there'll be like a steel guitar, violin.

(01:49:36):
He also Sean plays the harmonium, which is like the
keys with the bellows. I think that's the best way
to describe it now. He actually says that's the instrument
that he credits for returning his love of singing and
also writing music. Really yeah, so if anyone doesn't know,
he had that crash and burn like a couple of
years back.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Yeah, it's pretty big and public. I mean he was
really open about it, absolutely what he would say about it. Yeah, yeah,
he just.

Speaker 24 (01:50:00):
Got to that point, like it was about six or
seven shows into a world tour where he's like, I
actually can't do it. I can't out there and do this.
So the justice that it needs to be done, and
he made that must have being a huge hard choice
to make that, but to step away and it's been
a good couple of years, so he reckons that for
a bit. An entire year. He didn't write music, he
didn't really sing anything. He just was so done with

(01:50:22):
it so pretty big that you can get back on
that bus, find an instrument that you're kind of playing
with and being a bit eclectic with. And I think
what that's given the whole sound of the album. It
makes me think they're in a studio in a round,
you know, on some like dimly lit the floors have
got all crazy carpets all over it, and everyone's just

(01:50:42):
in a circle, jamming at each other. It kind of
has that quality and sound about it, which I think
is what indie music kind of brings to you as well.
And it sounds fun and at times that real live
recording like they've gone actually lets us go with that take.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
There's a few whoops.

Speaker 24 (01:50:57):
And handclaps and at moss crashing in the background, But
I like that. I think it gives like a sort
of human human feature to the album. With some times, Yeah,
that lucid jam session is opposed to let's just smooth
this all out and lose it in production. I don't
mind that, especially again with that personal storytelling venture that

(01:51:18):
he's gone down and it almost apologetic and some of
his songs. The only one I think he could have
left off was his cover of Hallelujah, the same reaction
I had. Seriously, I did the same thing. I did
it too.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Doesn't need another Hellelujah.

Speaker 24 (01:51:37):
It actually doesn't.

Speaker 14 (01:51:38):
Yeah, and you know.

Speaker 24 (01:51:41):
The Hallelujahs in the other songs, so he didn't need
to go there. I yeah, I'm with you on that one.
That's so funny that you feel the same as me.
As soon as I got to it at the end,
I was like, oh, no, no, thank you. Like I
didn't really even give that a full listen.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
I just yeah, I just think Jeff Butley nailed it,
you know, and like, and it's a great song. It's
a beauty song, just and I look, I'm you know,
I've got a guitar at home and my wife. Sometimes,
you know, there's a bit of dictates when the mood dictates, you.

Speaker 24 (01:52:18):
Know, but when you release your album, Jack, please do
not put a It was a weird choice for me.
After all, the other songs are definitely his and he's
owned them with the melodies and the musicianship, and then
that to wrap it up is kind of strange for me. Yeah,
it was like, and that's not karaoke, Like his voice

(01:52:39):
is different, but it sort of makes you go I
just wasn't necessary. So that was a little bit of
a shame. Other than that, though, I think he's navigating
some big feelings on a really cool album and there's
some real good clap along sing along kind of numbers
on here without having to go pop tastic, which is
really nice for him.

Speaker 6 (01:52:58):
Yeah, I'm called voice.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
It's an out of ten for meen sean set of ten. Yeah,
I think we're just gonna have to script that definitely,
Alle no, no, I'm definitely gonna skip it, thank you
very much. We're gonna have a bit all the list
and we'll pick out one of those good tracks in
a couple of minutes and catch you again next week.
Stale Clifford, our music reviewer. There eight to twelve on
Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Jack Day and vpewre dot code ont z for high
quality supplements Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
So good to be back with you for another Saturday morning.
Thank you very much for all of your lovely messages
throughout the morning. Yep, my family and I are all
really delighted to be adding to our family. And yeah,
I guess watch the space wait for the adventure to
really kick off in earnest early next year. For everything
from our show, Newstalks HEEDB dot code ont in zed
Ford slash Jack is the best place to go. You

(01:53:51):
can find us on Facebook by searching Jack Tame. This afternoon,
Jason Pine is going to get things underway on News
talks 'B with Weekend Sport right after the twelve o'clock news.
Until then, my thanks to produces Shannon and Libby for
doing all the tough stuff today. And we're gonna leave
you with Sean Mendes. His latest album is called Sean
and this song well this could actually be a response
to his Hallelujah cover because this song is called why

(01:54:15):
Why Why see you next week?

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
But I went on shows myself instead. Whoa Bye, He's Mama.

Speaker 6 (01:54:27):
I don't know, don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:54:43):
That step Tuck stays with nothing else.

Speaker 22 (01:54:48):
Oh the that is you are mine?

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
But here I am singing song again.

Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
Wow, he's Mama. I don't know, don't know, I don't know.

(01:55:17):
Bundunay don't know this, but be father. She needed the core.

Speaker 12 (01:55:44):
I'm still a kid.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
Sometimes I still cry out for mama. Wow, I don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:56:04):
Something no, don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
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