Full Show Podcast: 24 August 2024

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Card and you SAILO. Good morning, Welcome to Saturday Mornings
with Jack Tame on News Talk z EDB. Or Tamahua
quael Island, as it's known, right in the heart of
Littleton Harbor, would have to be the closest thing to
a magical place that I ever explored as a kid.
It really has this wondrous history. So the island was

(01:05):
once upon a time a leper colony. It was the
quarantine station for both Scott and Shackleton's teams. It's where
the huskies and the ponies were quarantined before they headed
down to Antarctica. And Quayle Island or Tarmaha is the
setting for an amazing New New Zealand film. The film's

(01:25):
called We Were Dangerous. It's about a school for incorrigible
and delinquent girls in the nineteen fifties, and the stars
of that film are going to be with us after
ten o'clock this morning, Edina James and Natalie Morris cannot
wait to discuss their experience of Quail Island and compare
it to mine. Before ten. If you are looking to
warm up, maybe you have been out on the water

(01:46):
this morning. Aleik parmesan and prejuto tart. You can't really
go wrong with those three ingredients, right leak's tik parmesan,
tik procuto. Yes please, we'll share that with you very shortly.
Right now, it's eight minutes past nine, Jack Tame, I'll
tell you what, thirteen year old Jack Tame would never
have believed that Scott Robertson and Leon mcdond were not

(02:07):
getting along. The year was two thousand, Having survived y
two k, started high school and become a teenager in
the space of a few short months. The highlight of
my year was yet to come May twentieth, when the
Canterbury Crusaders defeated the Act Brumbies by a single point

(02:28):
at Bruce Stadium in canber to become Super Rugby champions
for the third year in a row, the first team
to achieve the feat. It is actually honestly amazing to
go back and look at the team from that night
the starting fifteen for the Crusaders. We didn't know it then,
but several of the winning Crusaders would end up becoming
successful coaches after their playing careers had finished. So winning

(02:52):
finalists included Todd Blackadder, Darryl Gibson and Mark Hammett, all
of whom have enjoyed pretty high profile rugby coaching careers.
The Crusaders second five eighth was a guy called Mark
Robinson who years to come would be appointed the CEO
of New Zealand Rugby. And of course we didn't know
it then, but in a couple of decades he would

(03:14):
hire his blindside flanker teammate as the All Blacks coach
and his fullback as assistant. But if you could have
told thirteen year old me that two of the guys
on that team of all teams would end up having
a very public split after just a month at the
helm of the All Blacks, I would never have believed you,

(03:35):
I have to say, though, as shocked as I was
to learn that McDonald and Razor hadn't worked out, from
what we know so far New Zealand Rugby, the All
Blacks and both Scott Robertson and Leon McDonald deserve our
praise and thanks. I thought that statement from New Zealand
Rugby and Scott Robertson's subsequent statements were honestly amazing. Look,

(03:57):
I mean, we're never going to know the full story,
right of course, but they didn't sugarcoat anything. No one
made up a rubbish excuse the old more time with
the family. It wasn't nasty, it wasn't spiteful, it was
I mean, it was honest. They just didn't see eye
to eye. They have differing views after a series of

(04:19):
robust conversations. That might be a bit of a euphemism,
or at least an understatement. It simply wasn't in the
best interests of the team to have McDonald and Robertson
working together, resentment building as they pulled in different directions.
And look, it's just so easy to imagine an alternative,
don't you think to just imagine it for a moment,
another world where they didn't recognize or didn't acknowledge that

(04:43):
things weren't working or tried to hide it. You know
that they didn't accept that things weren't clicking, and whatever
tension existed fested and grew into something much more damaging.
You just know that rumors would start the odd you know,
the odd news report would intimate something wasn't quite right.
Greg Or Paul would get a bit of a sniff.

(05:04):
There would be cliques, there would be faction, players might
have split loyalties, and ultimately the whole thing would hurt
the team. Again, we don't know everything, but given the
frankness of the explanation, it's the best we have, right
and man, there is just so much to be said
for calling it early. They didn't battle on for a
couple of seasons, they didn't try and fake anything for

(05:26):
the rugby loving public. They called it. Leon McDonald clearly
has I mean, I think Leon McDonald clearly has a
lot of money, and as a coach he has had
real success. I'm sure he will get a great coaching
job somewhere different. Obviously, thirteen year old me would be
gutted to see two of his sporting heroes split. But

(05:48):
twenty years or twenty four years since they won that
third title, their collective handling of this situation I think
has been mature and strangely refreshing. Jack Team ninety two.
Ninety two is the text number if you are going
to flick near text this morning. Don't forget the standard

(06:09):
text costs supply. Have you got more to say? You
can lay it out, maybe a little essay Jacketnewstalks dB
dot co dot nz is my email Address'll get our
Sportos thoughts on that situation very shortly. Next up, though,
Kevin Mirlon will kick us off for our Saturday together.
It's thirteen minutes past nine and I'm Jack Tame. This
is news Dog ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
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Speaker 3 (06:36):
Hi Jerry, says Alan on the email. Hi, Jack, says
Ellen on the email this morning. I agree with you.
There is nothing worse when you see a high profile
sacking or similar and they say, oh, they just want
to go and spend more time with the family. I mean,
there is nothing in principle spending more time with the family.
I can imagine that there are going to be times
in my life where I want to spend more time
with the family, including right now of course, but certainly

(07:00):
if that excuse was rolled out on this occasion, I
think we'd all be rolling our eyes, right. Don't you
just think it is refreshing to just have, at the
very least what appears to be honesty Right from New
Zealander rugby Jack, you always talk lots of nonsense. Huh
two if you want to add to that jacket, Newstalk
said the dot co dot Nz Kevin Milne is with

(07:23):
us this morning. Ah to martiear Kevin, you, well, you've
had a bit of an interesting week. You have been
thinking or reminiscing about the blue supermoon. Is it brings
romance into your life? Kevin, this week's blue supermoon has
brought some romance into your life?

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah? Did you see the supermoon during the week?

Speaker 3 (07:43):
I'm embarrassed to say I didn't until my steps on
came up to me and said, I know that other
people have bad sleeps on the supermoon, but I slept
so well.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Okay. It was sort of drifted by actually right through
the week.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
And I was reading yesterday about the link between blue
moons and romance. How blue moons ignite our sentiments. I
don't usually believe that since but how's this? I was
trying to get to sleep on Monday, night. I had
no idea the blue supermoon was on its way, and
out of the blue as it were, I had this
startlingly sharp recall of the first time I kissed my wife,

(08:22):
oh nearly fifty years ago, not just the detail of events,
but the detonation of emotions who went with it, I recalled.
We were on our first date, which started at Julie's
Wine Bar in London's notting Hill, where Mark Phillips had
just had his stag night prior to marrying Princess Anne.

(08:45):
We went on to London's newly opened hard Rock Cafe
for dinner, then onto the flash casino I'd wangled my
way into, called the night Spridge Sporting Club. Linda had
never been to a casino, so we spent hours on
the roulette table making our fortunes. We ended up in
the French restaurant part of the Caste, snacking late at

(09:08):
night on snails something else I was gambling on and
never having done before. I got Linda home very late,
accompanied to a door. Then that critical unnerving moment, the kiss.
My fear was that as I tilted forward, Chi'll tilt
back and say, for God's sake, Kevin we've been workmates

(09:30):
for a year and a half. What the hell's come
over you? But not As I leaned forward, so did
she and we kissed albit briefly, Jack on the lips.
Our relationship had shifted to a whole new level. I
drove home ecstatic, alongside the Thames, past the Houses of Parliament,

(09:52):
and I looked up at Big Ben. It shone like
a supermoon and it was three point fifteen a m all.
This came back to me on Monday night, and I'm
wondering if I have the Blue super the Moon to thank.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, that's that's a lovely story, Kevin. I'm sure, of
course that you still get the same physiological reaction that
the fireworks going off, the butterflies in your stomach every
time you kiss your better half these days.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah, yeah, when our lips all that still because it
only happens every few years.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
So I mean, because when I think of the Blue moone,
you know, I think of I think of the Frank Sinatra.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Song, right, absolutely, yeah, we're a whole lot.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
There are quite a lot.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I had a look at that an anthology. Are there
of blue Moon related songs?

Speaker 6 (10:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, that's the one that goes ding.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, no, I don't know that one. No, okay, no,
I have to go and search it out. Yeah, yeah,
very good. Oh well, thank you for sharing that lovely
story with us. That has been Yeah, just killing things off.
We like to evident jig a little bit of romance
on our Saturday morning. So very much appreciated. Kevin, You
take care. We'll catch your so Jack, that is Kevin

(11:08):
mel Thank you for your feedback.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
We're never going to know the real story until we
hear from Leo McDonald. We shouldn't be naive. We shouldn't
just accept the headlines and praise Raiser for the way
he handled the situation. Coaches and teams always have conflict.
These two know each other well enough to sit down
and sort out their differences. It's childish to say they
had strategic differences. To resolve this, someone needs to put
their ego aside and listen. There is more to this

(11:30):
than we're hearing. Interesting. I think you're right with that
first point. I think you know, until we have heard
from Leo McDonald, we probably can't have absolute confidence in everything.
I think my point is that that instead of sugarcoating it,
Raiser came out and was just like, yeah, we've just
got differences of opinion. And I also think put it

(11:53):
this way, I don't think anything about the New Zealand
Rugby statement or Scott Robinson's comments where mone a diminishing
for Leon McDonald. I don't think Leon McDonald came out
looking at all bad from it, right, Like, if anything,
these two, I mean, these two have both had for
careers as coaches. Scott Robinson's the head coach of the
All Black, so he probably gets to make the final call. Yeah,

(12:13):
I just I don't think no point did he slag
off Liam McDonald or anything like that. I think I
think the way they presented stuff this week gave me
a sense that despite their differences, there was still respect
between the two. But yes, I think you quite run
that first point. Until we hear from Liam McDonald, we
won't know with absolute certainty what has gone down, and

(12:34):
even when we hear from them, we may not as well.
Ninety two ninety two is our text number. Twenty two
minutes past nine. We'll get us Sporto's thoughts on that
split next.

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(13:55):
check Team. Twenty five past nine on News Talks B
before ten o'clock, we are at the movies. We're going
to take a look at the Union. This is the
new film streaming online starring Mark Wohlberg and Halle Berry. Yeah,
it looks interesting enough, immediately came up on a Netflix algorithm,
But is it any good? We'll be speaking with our
film reviewer shortly. Right now, though, time to catch up

(14:17):
with our sporto and a very interesting few days in
the All Blacks camp save do you think I'm being naive?
I reckon that it was refreshing to see a statement
from New Zealand and Rugby saying Yep, we didn't get along,
so I've called it. I thought Scott Robinson's comments were
refreshing as well, But do you reckon there's more than
meets the eye? And maybe I'm being a bit naive?

Speaker 7 (14:36):
Well possibly, Jack, Look, I'd agree that we weren't fed
the normal BS line of wanting to spend more time
with the family or personal reasons.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Or what have you used.

Speaker 7 (14:45):
So that's a start, and looks Scott Robertson Robertson fronted
on Thursday, So again that's a start.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
But I don't think until we hear from Leon.

Speaker 7 (14:54):
McDonald and I heard from or anyone else has really
publicly anyway, we haven't got the full side of the story.
Maybe we never will, but it's clear there was from why,
I've heard a number of key coaching differences or differences
of opinion. My understanding is that the straw that broke

(15:15):
the camel's back has been the handling of Mark t Lea,
the winger, and how one coach wants him to play
and how the other coach wanted them to play. Leon
McDonald obviously had a lot to do with Mark Talia
and the Blues. I'm confident that my information is correct
when I say that Leon McDonald wanted him to play

(15:38):
a certain way. Maybe Scott Robertson and others wanted him
to play a different way, but that was one issue
of many from what I'm hearing. The other interesting point,
Jack is that these third coach together the un the
twenties with a fair amount of success, and then in
twenty seventeen, Leon McDonald left Tasman to be an assistant

(16:00):
coach at the Crusaders under Scott Robertson. So they had
worked in pro rugby before. That only lasted one season,
and then Leo McDonald went back to Kasman as the
head coach and then on to the Blues. My understanding
is that one season in twenty seventeen, they won the competition,
I think from memory the Crusaders, but things weren't that

(16:25):
great as they finished that season, That's what I'm hearing.
So I'd imagine both would have thought years and years later,
maybe we've changed a little bit. Yes, we can work together.
I'm sure the lure of the All Blacks was a
major major draw card for Leo McDonald, right to be
part of an all black setup, and maybe they thought

(16:49):
they could work more together in a test environment. But
obviously when the pressure goes on in that all black environment,
which is huge Jack, as we know, people change, opinions, change,
the stress, and the pressure changes, and clearly they they

(17:09):
couldn't work together.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
You have a lost to Argentina all of a sudden.
You know, that's amazing how how quickly things change in sports.
So there is a suggestion from Greg.

Speaker 7 (17:18):
He says, I would also if I can, if I
can mention the Crusaders again. Here you are Leo McDonald,
a Crusader, a former Crusader's assistant, but then spreads his wings,
goes to the Blues, does well with the Blues, comes
under the guidance as well or the assistance of Joe Schmidt,
a very very good rugby coach, needs to know those
Blues guys well comes back into the All Blacks, and

(17:40):
the All Blacks coaching team is a Crusaders centric coaching
the team, and maybe I think some of his ways
from outside haven't washed with what the others are trying
to do.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
If you get my drift, that's what I'm hearing.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, greg'slick is a text. So I'm going to I'm
gonna share his thoughts on that in a couple of
minutes because he's got some interesting perspectives as well. So
do you reckon that Leo McDonald will be snapped up?
Do you think he might?

Speaker 7 (18:05):
I think stam eyeing him up before. And let's not
forget this goes back twenty twenty two when Ian Foster
was pretty much gone, Scott Robertson was next to the line.
He was pretty much ready to go. He had his
coaching team around him, which back then included Leon McDonald.
So these have wanted to or look to have wanted

(18:26):
to work together for some time. But I don't think
Leo McDonald will struggle to find a job, probably going
to be overseas. There hasn't been caught that he could
link up with the Wallabies under Joe Schmidt fairly quickly.
I would imagine there's some sort of restraint of trade
clause in his contract. He was contracted the INSIDR for
four years. I would imagine from what I'm hearing it

(18:47):
was more of a push than a decision to go.
So I would imagine as well that Leo McDonald will
get a fear of payout from insid right, and maybe
he won't be allowed to work in Test match for
a week while, but I would he will be snapped up.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, it's amazing just going through the
team that the Crusader's team, the starting fifteen amazing. So
you have Todd Blackhead of Darrell Gibson, Mark Hammett, Leon
McDonald and Scott Robertson, all who all of whom have
really successful coaching careers, and the second five eight was
Mark Robinson, the CEO of New Zealand Rugby. Anyway, it's

(19:24):
a bit of a trip.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
I mean you've got Justin Marshall and had I think
Ruben Thor.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I mean there's players they were amazing, but it's amazing,
you know, just to think who's gone on to the
coaching and administrative careers as well as the broadcasting.

Speaker 7 (19:35):
Ones, all under all under. And I've spoken to these
guys about that, all under Robbie and to a degree
as well Wayne Smith, who they say they've lounded over
the years.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
So the Warriors thirty four eighteen, they went down last
night and yees didn't it? I mean, yes, frustrations. I
mean that high shot on Roger twy vasiship should have
been called. Certainly wouldn't have made a material difference to
the outcome, I don't think.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
So.

Speaker 7 (20:01):
It's a shame that the full house, big crowd, huge
atmosphere here. They were never going to make the playoffs
obviously before last night, but great chance to send sewn
Sean Johnson off with style.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
And that's what happens.

Speaker 7 (20:16):
Frustrating as heck, they've beaten teams this year they shouldn't have,
as we mentioned previous weeks, Jack, they've lost the teams
they should never have lost to. Just the NRL is
a bloody hard competition and when you have injuries and
when you have some calls that don't go your way,
you missed the odd shot at goal, golden point extra
times and go your way, things can really start to unravel.

(20:39):
I'm not suggesting unraveling at the Warriors, but they have
been certainly looks like frustrations. The Andrew Webster is.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
A good coach. He's a good coach. They all regroup.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
James Fisher Harris as a major purchase for them for
next year. The Kiwis captains. So yeah, they'll they'll, they'll
be back, but just frustrating again, sums up. I suppose
Sewan Johnson's career to a T and the Warriors the
last fifteen to twenty years.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, it does. Hey, before we go. As a kid,
given you grew up in the three, did you ever
venture out to Quayle Island. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (21:13):
Spend a fair amount of time at Governor's Bay in
Diamond Harbor Island.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
That's the one that had the old prisoner of war
camp from back in the day. But you didn't go
out to Quael Island.

Speaker 7 (21:23):
I know what you mean, but no, I don't think
i've ever been there.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah, a little river pub.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Oh, okay, you've been there. Yeah, No, that's not that's
not quite right.

Speaker 7 (21:32):
Yeah, you know, in the beer garden with a packet
of chips, and the fanta.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yes, no, that's not Dad goes into in inverted commons,
fill up the flagon. Yeah no, that's that's not quite
what I what I was picturing. But that's all right.

Speaker 8 (21:45):
No.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
I wondered if you've been out there, because I think
it's a bit it's a funny thing if you if
you're ever standing on top of the porthills in christ
you can look down and you can see Quail Island
right there in the middle of Littleton Harbor. No one
lives there, right and it's quite a sparse island. There
are very few trees, but it's got an amazing history
and I was always obsessed with it as a kid.
One of the things I loved is they used to

(22:06):
scus all ships off the back of it, so on
the Governor's Bay side of the island they used to
go on sink ships. And when I was a kid,
for whatever reason, my primary school had went and picked
up a little artifact from one of the old shipwrecks,
and that artifact was a pin from a ship called
the Darra. Was the prize for our school cross country.

(22:27):
So maybe that's why why I've always had a bit
of an affinity for Quao Island. The reason I'm mentioning it,
mentioning the island, of course, is because it is the
setting is the filming location for this amazing New New
Zealand film called We Were Dangerous. The story is about
a group of girls in the nineteen fifties in New
Zealand who get sent to a place called Temotu, the

(22:47):
island School for Incorrigible and Delinquent Girls. And isn't that
title alone, Isn't that just delicious as a premise. Anyway,
We're going to be speaking with the stars of that
film after ten o'clock this morning, so really looking forward
to that. Two films that are already in cinemas and
screaming at home for you after the break Our film
reviewer here with her thoughts. It's twenty five to ten.

(23:07):
Nobody's con Latey Gaga and Bruno Mars starting your Saturday morning.

(23:30):
Thanks for your feedback, Jack. Don't you think the dropping
of Finlay Christie Enrico Yowani had something to do with
the Leo McDonald Scott Robertson breakdown? Suspiciously yours? Yeah, that
could be one of the factors too, couldn't it. Yeah,
I'm starting to feel like maybe I've just been sucked
IM starting to feel like maybe I've just been a
bit naive this morning and thinking, oh, you know, it's

(23:50):
just good to see even on front footing this and
not coming up with the lame excuse and just saying, yeah,
we weren't getting along, we weren't clicking, we were clashing
a bit. Or did they say that there had been
some robust conversations over the last week a few weeks,
and so we decided to pop in. Anyway, maybe maybe
I have been sucked in, like you say, I think
we need to hear from Lion mctold at some point
if you want to flick us a note. Ninety two
ninety two is the text number. It's twenty two to ten,

(24:12):
which means it's time to catch up with our film reviewer,
Francesca Rudkin Kyoda, good morning, Okay, two films to talk
to you this morning. The first one is streaming on
Netflix and immediately popped up on my algorithm. This is
the Union I Am.

Speaker 6 (24:27):
Mikey bros Said, how often is it that you run
into high schools? We don't.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
After twenty five long years two, I didn't have an
Ontario voter to bring in your hair.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I'm trying to whisk me away with you something.

Speaker 9 (24:48):
Welcome to London, Mikey bros.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
What the hell? Where did Jersey go?

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Right?

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Okay, We've got a down to earth construction worker, Mark
Wahlberg thrust into the world of superspies and secret agents.
This feels very likely, Francesca.

Speaker 10 (25:04):
Yes, so we seem to be having a bit of
a space of quite big name driven films being released
on screening streaming services. Of course, last week I spoke
about The Instigator, that tried to do something a little
bit different as was a sort of a Boston centric
anti heist film. This week, I'm going to talk about
The Union, which is a little bit more straightforward. It

(25:27):
is a spy action comedy stars Halle Berryer and Matt Wolberg,
and I was actually really surprised they had very good chemistry.
They worked really well together in this film, which I
think is a good thing because the film itself and
the plot and everything is a little bit light. It's
not really, it's actually.

Speaker 11 (25:44):
More of a reunion.

Speaker 10 (25:46):
The two of them used to be high school sweethearts.
Mike is just kind of still living in the same
neighborhood as you say, construction worker, and Roxanne has gone
on to become a super spy and she recruits him
on a high stakes, intelligent mission. And we're very much
relying on that kind of fish out of warm water

(26:08):
humor to kind of, you know, kick us off here.
So good chemistry, lots of fun, pretty predictable. It kind
of hits all those kind of beats you would expect
in a bit of an action comedy story. Isn't quite
eagy enough to make it stand out. But if you
want some really light escapism this weekend, then it will
probably hit the mark for you. It has gone number

(26:31):
one on Netflix and numerous different countries around the place,
so very popular.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
I think emphasis on really light is that fair?

Speaker 12 (26:40):
Oh yeah, totally.

Speaker 10 (26:41):
And you and I we talk about this quite often.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, I know we need these films.

Speaker 10 (26:47):
Sometimes they're done really well.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
This one is done, okay, Even that line from Mirke Warlburg.
It's not every day you run into your high school
sweetheart twenty five years later you're here, here we go.
It's not every day your high school sweel looks like
Alie Berry as well. Mark Anyway, that is the Union
streaving on Netflix for something completely different, tell us about

(27:11):
The Three Musketeers Milady.

Speaker 10 (27:14):
So I spoke about these films when the French Film
Festival is playing much earlier in the year, and they've
both come back to play at cinemas, so there's there
are obviously adaptations of The Three Musketeers the novel. It's
been put into two films, so you might have gone
to see The Three Musketeers d'Artagnan. Well, Milady is the
second one, and that is just about to be released.

(27:37):
And these are actually really well done swash buckling adventure films.
They've got amazing costumes, plenty of actions, some really good
fighting scenes, but there's also a touch of romance and
a touch of humor. It's almost old fashioned sort of
storytelling done.

Speaker 13 (27:56):
Really really well.

Speaker 10 (27:58):
And I didn't realize when I saw the first one
that it is a part two, and so when it ended,
I was like, oh what, there's another one. But then
actually I was really excited because Malady, which is about
to come out this week, is also it's just more
of the same in this particular one. Either Green plays
Malady de Winter and she's involved in a very complex

(28:18):
pot to bring France into a war and they're trying
to topple the King, and our Musketeers are once again involved,
and off we go on a wonderful adventure. We're seeing
on the big screen because, as I say, they've put
a lot of a lot of effort into the production
design and the costumes and everything of these films, so
we're seeing on the big screen.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Okay, thanks Franchesca those films again. The Union is on Netflix.
It probably comes up as soon as you open Netflix,
given it's number one in New Zealand at the moment,
and The Three Musketeers Milady is showing in cinemas at
the moment. Thank you so much for your messages. Jack,
nice fan boying of Razor and New Zealand Rugby this morning.
It all sounds great until you realize that we haven't
heard anything from Leo McDonald yet. So yes, what you

(28:59):
think is great openness is really just New Zealand Rugby's
spin as per usual. Get the full story from Leo
McDonald and then we will know. Yeah, it would be Yeah,
it'd be great if we do hear from Leam McDonald
at some point. I'm sure we will. Jack, Good morning, Mike, hair.
Isn't it nice to hear some refreshing honesty from rugby circles?
Wouldn't it be great to hear a bit more from
the Warriors instead of all the moaning about the referees. Yeah,

(29:23):
I mean it was. If you haven't seen, it's a
Roger w vasis Jek clearly took a hit in the
head shoulder to the head last night and the Warrior's
significant loss to the Bulldogs, and I think certainly it
was deserving of a greater punishment than was meted out
by the referees, and the video referee could have done
a whole lot more. That being said, I'm not convinced

(29:44):
it would have changed the outcome of the game.

Speaker 11 (29:47):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I remember quae Island fondly at first. My first school
camp was there as a primary school student at Rudolph
Steiner School in the nineteen eighties. They had a wonderful
Timesince May. Yeah, it is. It's a funny place. So
there are only a couple of buildings on Quaele Island.
It's kind of like reminds it it's Solme's Island or
something like that. You know, it's it's out in the
middle of the harbor, and yet there are very few

(30:11):
trees and there are only a couple of very simple facilities.
They have a faery service that goes out to Quail Island.
But actually as a kid, it was a teenager me
and a mate at low tide, this is probably not
very advisable. We bought one of those blow up boats
in the warehouse, you know, those like really crappy blow

(30:32):
up boats, and we paddled it out to Quaile Island.
Took us ages, it's absolutely ages, but we paddled out
to Quail Island, had a bit of a swim, and
they made our way back to the mainland. So yeah,
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's had a
few adventures. Then we'll be talking about Quaile Island after
ten o'clock this morning.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
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Speaker 3 (30:58):
We had a few days for the dust to settle,
now a little week in a bit for the dust
to settle since other Reserve Bank announce that was going
to begin cutting the ocr so I've to ten o'clock
this morning, we're going to catch up with our personal
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how long to fix for with your mortgage if it's
coming up sometime soon, how quickly rates are likely to

(31:19):
come down. It's interesting looking at the ways the banks
are competing at the moment, because they are competing as
they as they cut their interest rates, but they're only
competing over the finest margins at the moment, you know, like, oh,
cutting just a couple of little basis points off here,
and they're just shaving a wayfer thin margin off mortgage rates.
So we're going to talk with her after ten get
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(31:41):
will know what to do. Twelve to ten on News Talks.
He'd be our cook, NICKI Wix is in the house, Kyoder.

Speaker 12 (31:48):
Yes, Morena, I am in the house with the most
amazing tart this morning.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Well, you know, I love a task just I love
a tant sorry, Niki, and I love I love. I
love the three key ingredients if you can, I mean leak.
As I've said many times, the most underrated of winter vegetables,
parmesan and proscutto. So you got a little bit of
umami in there, and then you've got you've got precu,
absolutely beautiful, kind of salty cut through. It sounds amazing

(32:16):
saltin as.

Speaker 12 (32:17):
I know, And I guess I wanted to segue kind
of from your ocr chat because when you look at those,
two of those ingredients are really expensive, parmesan and proscucto.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (32:26):
I mean, if you're trying to pay your mortgage off,
sometimes you have to kind of you know, some of
these luxuries go by the way, but leaks are super
cheap at the moment. When I created this recipee last
week for you, I they were at two dollars each.
They're now down to one dollar. You get a lot
of run for your money out of leaks. I stupidly,
till very late in life, used to use not the

(32:47):
whole leak, but up till when it starts to get
really green, and now I just use the whole lot.
The rest of it gets saute, gets put in soups,
et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, you know it's great.
And what I also say is one of my notes
as part of this recipe is presuto, Yeah, really expensive
but you don't use a lot of it. You know,
it's written same with parmesan. They're very pungent, very strong.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
It follows that it follows the Jacktan rule of churito,
and that a little cha goes a very long way,
you know it.

Speaker 12 (33:17):
Y, it's so true. I mean, you could probably use
use china for this, and you could probably use bacon.
But you know, even if you do, just here we go, yeah,
still call it this exactly a definitely cut bacon.

Speaker 13 (33:32):
All right, here we go.

Speaker 12 (33:33):
Look, this makes quite a sizeable large tart. Or I
happen to make four sort of tarts that were about
about seven inches about twelve centimeters a cross. I've got
these little fluted tins that the bottoms come out of,
which is great. So what I do is I line
each one of those with some savorish crust pastry and
trim the edges. This is a nice neat little.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Oh, there's a nice little neat little Watson. Nickey. We've
lost Nikki there. We'll see if we can if we
can reconnect her quick. Smart Dean has some thoughts this
morning on the whole Scott Robinson Leo McDonald's situation.

Speaker 11 (34:07):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
This is the kind of leadership that won Scott Robertson
the All back coaching gig in the first place. It
is decisive, decisive action. At the end of the day,
if something isn't working, it's simple, right, we will try
something different. If that doesn't work, then we'll keep on
trying different things until we are good to go and
we'll be able to do that. Thank you very much, Dean.
If you want to email me like Dean did, Jacket
Newstalks headb dot co dot indeed is the best place

(34:30):
to go. Nicky Wicks is back. And I don't know
what it was, Nikki, all the talk about delicious.

Speaker 6 (34:35):
Still and going come and going.

Speaker 12 (34:36):
I know, yeah, we busted the internet or something. Hey,
well here you go. So we've lined our pastry cases.
Now we need to cook cook off our leaks. And
so what I do is you're after the lovely rounds
sort of quite a neat round of leak, so chop
some of those. I've used about three or four leaks.
They were probably a bit thinner than maybe the big

(34:57):
fatty ones. But you want them in about two centimeter
a lot thick rounds. Pop those in a pan with
some butter and some oil. I do use a fair
bit of butter here, thirty rams of butter and a
good tablespoon of olive oil, and just set those cooking.
You cover them if you like, and they probably take
about twenty or thirty minutes jack, So you could put
those on even before the pastry goes in. When they're

(35:18):
sort of halfway through cooked, you at about maybe ten
fifteen minutes. You could turn those over, but you don't
want them to unravel, if possible, and then you're going
to cool those and a big bowl. What we're going
to do is we're going to whisk in four eggs
one hundred and fifty grams of sour cream or cream
fresh at about two hundred mills of cream. So these
are rich, beautiful tarts. Half a teaspoon of whole grain mustard.

(35:41):
I don't think you'll need too much salt and pepper
in there, but a little bit of each you'll be
will be good. Sprinkle some grated parmesan and whisk all
that together. Sprinkle some grated parmesan in the bottom of
each of the pastry cases that have been chilled. Pop
the cooled leak rounds on there. You're fit about four
in each tin or obviously all in a big tin,
and then transfer those to your oven tray that you've

(36:04):
been heating and the other and then pour the egg
mixture into those cases whilst they're on the ovene and
then slide it back in the oven, ever so gently,
putting a bit of prosciutto and extra cheese on top.
Cook them for about thirty to thirty five minutes. Jack
that prosuto will go nice and crispy on top. Your
pastry around the edges should look beautiful and golden because

(36:27):
we preheated a tray in there on one eighty degrees celsius.
The bottoms should be beautiful and firm and golden as well.
Leave to call for about five to ten minutes and
pop them out of there and.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Eat very good. I know how to do that, but
I don't need any instructions on that one. But for
all of the rest of the detail from your recipe,
you can go to news Talks eDV dot codet NZ.
Thank you so much, Nikki, We will catch you again
next week.

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Yeah.

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Speaker 3 (37:06):
Few wins in the America's Cup preliminary regatta in Barthelna,
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(37:29):
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but it'll be a good to see them stretched a
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(37:52):
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I very much appreciate your support and company. On Saturday
mornings after ten o'clock. We're going to be taking a
look at your screen time picks for this week. Three
amazing shows, including one that I have totally binged. It's
one for the nerds, I will be perfectly honest. It
hasn't won over missus Tame just yet. Every time she

(38:13):
comes to the room and I'm watching it, she goes,
can't we watch something we both want to watch? But
I'm gonna recommend it to you after ten o'clock anyway.
As well as that, of course, Edana James and Natalie Morris.
They are the Kiwi stars of this awesome new Kiwi
film We Were Dangerous. It is a story of Tematu,
a school for encoorrigible and delinquent girls, a school set

(38:36):
on a cold, cold island in the early nineteen fifties.
It's an amazing story. Can't wait to chat to them
and Studio News is next, though it's almost ten o'clock.
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(39:22):
This is news Talk z B. I'm here through to
midday today. We Were Dangerous. There's a brand new Kiwi
film about girlhood, about rebellion and violence with friendship at
its core. Although the story is fictional, it comes said
at a time that makes you feel like it could
have been plucked right from the New Zealand history books.
The film won the Special Jury Prize at south By

(39:44):
Southwest this year and made its premiere at the Auckland
launch of the New Zealand International Film Festival. Have a listen.
This island has a long history of accommodating dubious characters.

Speaker 14 (39:57):
We've got all sorts, waste, strays, sex, delinquents.

Speaker 9 (40:01):
That's a new one.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
Hi, I'm Nillie.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
That's Daisy.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
In a weak hub.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
It's best not to think of the girls as wives
and mothers. It may well be beyond them.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
And with us this morning. Our stars of We Were Dangerous,
Edina James and Natalie Morris, who played Nlly and Lou,
two of the misfit trio in the story, keld accord
to it. Good morning, congratulations on We Were Dangerous. It
feels like it feels like it is earning a lot
of very good hype, but what does it mean just

(40:40):
for our audience? Editor, can you explain what it means
to get the grand jury at the south By Southwest.

Speaker 15 (40:45):
I know it's huge. I wish we could have been there.

Speaker 16 (40:48):
I mean, I know Josephine was there representing your director
A director Sorry.

Speaker 15 (40:51):
Yeah, just inst it for you.

Speaker 16 (40:52):
Our brilliant director was there representing us. It was huge,
and I don't think anyone expected it. I don't know.
Like we filmed it two years ago, it took so
long to figure it out in the edit and then
finally get it out to the world that I think
getting that recognition, I don't know, it struck me.

Speaker 15 (41:09):
And also not having seen the film at.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
That point, you hadn't seen it.

Speaker 15 (41:12):
I hadn't ment No, I have now at that point,
I hadn't.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
So the film's winning prizes before you before you'd seen it.
What's that? What's that like when you you think, oh, well,
it's probably makes me feel slightly more confident about it.

Speaker 15 (41:25):
Yeah, I definitely did.

Speaker 16 (41:26):
But also there were like maybe four countries that I
had seen it before I got the chance to.

Speaker 15 (41:31):
It's funny reading reviews and being like, oh okay, okay, cool, right, right, Yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Oh I remember, is there often disconnect when you're when
you're working on a project like that, and like between
what it feels like you're making in the moment and
then when you see the final product and you're like,
oh my gosh, actually it's this is turned out to
be slightly different in a good way or a bad
way than what I was expecting.

Speaker 16 (41:56):
I think. So yeah, I think I think it just
I think me and my selfish brain. I get to
see it and I'm like, oh my god, look up
everyone else's incredible work and art that is put into
it at that point because you're.

Speaker 15 (42:07):
So focused on your own performance that's when you're making it. Yeah,
you really get to appreciate everyone else. But I do
think that you can't. You can't lie. Like the energy
of what you watch is an energy that was on set,
So watching it, you do feel like, oh, that's what
it felt like, That's what the energy was between us,
That's what the Yeah, the energy the whole set was.
So that's really lovely.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oh, I don't want to give all of the story
away to our audience, but it would be useful to
give them, give you everyn a bit of a bit
of context here, So can you just tell us what
Tim Mourtu, the School for Encorrigible and Delinquent Girls actually is.

Speaker 16 (42:41):
It is a school, a government sit up school where
they sent a bunch of delinquent young women away to
this island to reform. And the idea is that it
prepares us for marriage. That's you know, it said in
nineteen fifties. And this is the idea behind the school,
fictional school. Yes, and that's where we all meet each other, myself, Nelly,

(43:05):
Lou and Daisy our trio, and we have like this
gorgeous little gang, but like this rebellious, wonderful gang that
we create.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
I'm glad you use the word rebellious because I feel
like that is that is the word. And I imagine
and this is just based on like the movies, right,
you know, you know when you get the script for
the first time and it kind of has like a
sentence or two describing each character as you go down there.
I would have thought words like delinquent and rebellious from
an actor's perspective would just be the most exciting things

(43:38):
to see, are they not?

Speaker 17 (43:40):
For sure?

Speaker 15 (43:40):
Yeah, Well, it's funny. My character description was like very
well off, well mannered, very pretty kind of perfect.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
You're the posh one out of the Yeah.

Speaker 15 (43:53):
So I think that it was fun to discover that
underneath all of that is just rebellion.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, to kind of unpack that a little bit. It's
funny because in a sense, it is a heavy kind
of subject, right, Like, you know, we we've been talking
a lot about institutions and you know where we put
our young people in New Zealand over the last couple
of years. And despite that theme, the feel it feels

(44:21):
like there's a real like lightness or like a real
like sense of love throughout the film that I don't know,
manages to kind of strike a really important balance. Is
that something you guys were quite conscious of.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (44:34):
Absolutely, And I think you know, you put like most
of the cars being Maori young women, and you put
them in the sitting. Of course, all of those conversations
are differently there. But I think our main focus going
into it were the relationships between the three the three
of us and finding the joy, finding the connection, the humor,

(44:56):
the I don't know, like all of that goodness that
can come out of those relationships and less so focusing
on that, on that setting. So it was something that
we were definitely conscious of, and of course the career
it's a conscious of as well.

Speaker 15 (45:07):
Yeah, Jose was great. She was like, I'm holding this,
I'm holding the story. You guys can just exist in
your fun friendship Forbell.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
You know, I've got the I'm going to take all
of those other themes and yeah, everything else. You guys
just focus on each other. Yeah, but they seem to work.

Speaker 11 (45:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Isn't it funny how standards have changed. I mean, I
know that it's a I know that it is a
fictional school as such, but the concept is not entirely
is not necessarily fictional. Like what did you think, nat, like,
like reflecting on the standards that were expected of young women,
even you know, only seventy.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Years or so ago.

Speaker 15 (45:43):
Now, it's funny. My mom actually showed me a list
of things that my grandma gave her when she married
my dad, Like my dad's mom gave her. And it
was like, always have dinner on the table when he
gets home, tie your hair up, you know, to look
kind of nice so that he has like a little
treat when he gets home. All these things and this
is what. My parents were married in the early nineties,

(46:07):
so not that long ago.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
So sorry telling anyone in trouble here. This was when
your parents got married.

Speaker 15 (46:16):
Yes, my dad's mom. So her mother in law gave
her a list of, you know, things.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
That her mother helped being of probably of a generation
that kind of grew up in the fifties.

Speaker 15 (46:28):
Totally and lovely woman, lovely grandmother, lovely mother in law.
It was just what she thought would help the marriage.
It was just what was expected of her and what
she thought would Yeah. So not that far away from
what these girls are learning at the school.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Yeah, that's that's amazing. Again, that's relatively that's relatively recent history.
Did you reflect on that too.

Speaker 8 (46:49):
Did you?

Speaker 15 (46:49):
I mean I didn't have any like they never lost.
My mom did not get a lost, But yeah, I
didn't know that. That's a good story.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
What's it like working with drama did Dreama.

Speaker 16 (47:01):
It's just incredible, as my I was fortunate, this is
my second time working with drama that she's she's just incredible.
She's so playful and I don't know the way that
she holds herself a professionalism. She's prepared, she's so prepared.

Speaker 15 (47:17):
I feel like she's one of those actors that she's
been working for so long and it is such a
professional but every job feels like it's her first. She
comes in with a total beginner's mindset and like the
devotion that you have when it is your first job,
you know, how seriously you take it and how much
joy you have doing it.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Yeah, that's interesting. So does that mean that she kind
of prepere like not over prepears, but prepears with the
enthusiasm that perhaps you wouldn't expect of someone of her experience.

Speaker 16 (47:44):
Yeah, totally. She just strives for her craft in every
moment and everything that she does. And working with her
and the younger ensemble group as well, Yeah, teenagers cast
out of high schools in christ Church. She was just
brilliant with them, like so playful and engaging, but then
in a second can just switch and like shock them
and get these really amazing performances of them.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
So that's just brilliant. How conscious of you guys were
were you guys about it about it being a film
about women's standards with really strong women's central characters?

Speaker 15 (48:22):
Hmmm, I don't know, it's.

Speaker 16 (48:27):
I feel like it's a joy in our industry to
be able to work with so many women on camera,
like on screen and behind right behind the camera.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Because this is the production generally had heaps of women.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (48:37):
Yeah, our producers Polly and Morgan, and.

Speaker 15 (48:42):
It's just phenomenal.

Speaker 16 (48:43):
So I think being able to be in a film
like this and tell stories like this with such a
strong female force behind it as well, it's just it
was really encouraging for us and just less hurdles to
jump over when telling these kind of stories.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Yeah, yeah, I hope you don't mind nerding out for
a minute. So I grew up in Christitch on the porthills,
and so I used to always go to the top
of the hill and then look down at or Tamafu
Island aka qui Al Island. We're going to ask for
your impressions of Quie Island right there in the middle
of Little t Harbor. How did you find it?

Speaker 15 (49:18):
It was amazing because they also when we arrived, they
built the sets on the island, so that was and it.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Was it was.

Speaker 15 (49:26):
It was very barren. The heart was already there, yeah,
big heart was already there, but they built out Yeah. Yeah,
it was very serene, very it was a long walk
from the very.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Cold it looked cold.

Speaker 15 (49:41):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah it was windy and yeah cold.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
I think Barren is the right way. Like I'm I
don't know that beautiful is the word that I would
describe Qui a island, you know. And it's not a criticism,
I'm not.

Speaker 16 (49:53):
There's a shot in the film this drone shot, well
helicopter anyway, and it's beautiful.

Speaker 15 (49:58):
The island looks beautiful, but when you're on it.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
It's quite sparse, it is.

Speaker 15 (50:02):
Yeah, yeah, I'm very misty. Do you remember when we
were walking and you couldn't the days.

Speaker 16 (50:07):
Tictually very rough used to be.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Do you know about its history? We guys made it
aware of its history at all? Are you not so much? Okay, well,
I don't know if this is at all interesting. I
don't know if because you were filming there for about
three days or sorry it used to be a leper colony.

Speaker 15 (50:21):
Did you say, yeah, we did, sorry about it.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (50:25):
I thought that maybe that was only Matthew Island and
Wellington Sims Island, but okay.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Yeah, yeah, apparently we needed multiple leper colonies back in
the day. But the problem was at low tide, you
can actually like just walk across to the mainland, so
it was a leper colony. It was also the last
place that like Shackleton and scott and how Antarctic history is.
But they they stopped there just before going to Antarctica.
That's where all their dogs and their ponies came from.

(50:51):
But did you see the shipwrecks? Noh, Okay, you're gonna
have to go back. There are shipwrecks. Yeah, there are
shipwrecks around one side of the island because they used
to purposefully sink ships off the why off that well
just went like a ship was at the end of
its life. I'll go and sink it in the in
the water, the air, but you can only see it
at like super low tired and the mudflets that they're
kind of the bones of the you know, the old

(51:11):
the old planks of the ship sticking out. Yeah. Anyway,
next next time, yeah, yeah, yeah, congratulations, thank you. It
feels like a really amazing time, like a story for
this moment, you know, and I'm just you know, really
hoping that you know, you guys can ride the wave

(51:32):
of success ya as it continue.

Speaker 16 (51:35):
Hope about audiences connect with it and enjoy it and
have a laugh as well, Yeah, that's that'd be ideal.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Yeah, well we really appreciate you coming in.

Speaker 9 (51:43):
Yeah, thank you for having us.

Speaker 15 (51:44):
Yeah, thanks for having us.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
That is edit to James and Natalie Morris. They are
the stars of We Were Dangerous, that new Kiwi film.
We've got all the details for the film up on
the News Talk c B website. It's just coming up
to twenty past ten on your Saturday morning. Before leaven
o'clock this morning, we're going to catch up with our
personal finance guru, ask her what the cats to the
OC are actually going to mean for those people who

(52:06):
are refixing their mortgage sometimes soon Next up, if you
are looking for a nice weekend veging out at home,
just dissolving into the couch, good news, we've got our
screen time picks three shows to watch your stream this weekend.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Jack
Team and bpuret dot cot ont inzet for high quality
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Speaker 3 (52:30):
It is twenty three minutes past ten on News Talks EDB,
Jack Tame in the hot Seat and it is screen
Timetime on Saturday Morning. Tara Reward our screen time expert
is here. Good morning, Good morning, Right, three shows as
always to work through this morning. Let's start off with
the show streaming on Apple tv plus, tell Us About Pachenko.

Speaker 13 (52:50):
Yeah, this is a new season of what is probably
one of Apple tv Plus's best TV shows. And if
you love a sweeping historical epics series, this is what
I would really recommend. It's based on a best selling
book and it's a historical family saga about four generations
of one Korean family who believe they are living under
a curse, and over successful generations, they try to break

(53:14):
that curse, to end the suffering they're experiencing and to
make life better for their children. And when I call
this a sweeping historical epic, that's because it takes place
over three different countries, over four different generations and spans
eighty years. And there's three different languages spoken in this
as well, So it starts in Korea in nineteen fifteen,

(53:34):
there's a storyline in New York in the late eighties,
and another in Japan and World War Two, so.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
It covers a lot.

Speaker 13 (53:41):
The scale in this is huge, but it pulls all
those different stories together in a really compelling, beautiful way
that always makes sense, even though the timelines jump around
a lot. This is a show that will take you
to another time and place. It's a drama that you'll
just want to savor and sort of sink into and
just really really enjoy. The costumes are incredible, the photography

(54:02):
is beautiful. It's just, you know, like just such a big, broad,
sweeping series. It's just so impressive.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Ah sounds great, Okay, cool. That is Pacenko. It's on
Apple TV Plus on Neon. Industry.

Speaker 13 (54:15):
Yeah, change of pace and tone completely. This is Industry,
which is a show I've talked about before. This is
an HBO drama about five young financial graduates who are
all competing for a job in an investment bank in
the city of London. And it takes place just after
the global financial crisis in two thousand and eight, and
these graduates are coming into a really ruthless, unforgiving, high

(54:37):
pressure environment and they are expected to do whatever it
takes to win that position. It's a really intense, fast
paced drama and sort of a mix of shows like
Succession and Billions and Suits. There's lots of characters here
who don't always behave well or make the right decisions.
There's lots of mind games and power games, and you

(54:57):
know they work hard and play hard as well, and
you know it's a stress little environment that brings out
the worst in people, but that always makes for really
compelling television. This is a series that gets better as
it goes along. It's HBO, so you know that it
is going to be a quality drama. There's two seasons
already on Neon and the third season has just dropped
this week.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Yeah cool, Okay, that's industry. It's on Neon and Marlow
Murder Club is on TVNZ plus.

Speaker 18 (55:25):
This is a new.

Speaker 13 (55:26):
British murder mystery series. It's just started and if you're
looking for something light and comfortable and easy to watch
this weekend, this would be my recommendation. This is about
a retired archaeologist whose neighbor is murdered and when the
police refuse to do anything about solving the crime, she
decides to take matters into her own hands and with

(55:47):
a couple of new friends, decides to turn amateur sleuth
and start investigating the murder herself. And it's everything you
would expect from a light, picturesque English murder mystery. The
scenery is beautiful, you've got some quirky characters in here
as well, and you know that everything is going to
be tied up in.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
A nice bar at the end.

Speaker 13 (56:05):
It's not the kind of show that's going to set
the world on fire. It's more of a conflict cozy watch.
But that's exactly the appeal of it. If you like
shows like My Life Is Murder or The Broken Wood Mysteries,
this is a similar.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Oh cool, Okay, that sounds really good. So those shows
once again. Marlow Murder Club is on TVNZ plus, Industry
is on Neon, and Pachinko is on Apple TV plus.
I've got another recommendation just to add to your list, Tara,
and this is I've got to be perving ours. This
is one for the uber nerds out there. Okay.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
I have just.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Finished turning Point the Bomb and the Cold War? Have
you heard of that? Does that come across your war?

Speaker 13 (56:42):
I have not heard of that one.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
So it's on Netflix. It's a ten part documentary series. Okay,
So that align that line right there has probably lost
three coups of the people listening right now. But it
is a ten part documentary series looking at nuclear proliferation,
the Cold War, the end of the USSR and the
rise of the Russia Ukraine conflict. It's really interesting. I
swear it's so interesting, and they have amazing interviewees, just

(57:07):
incredible world leaders, incredible journalists. Is honestly super compelling, even
if you're kind of familiar with most of the history.
Now all these little things I've never heard of, all
these little like tidbits, little little moments from history that
I'd never heard about, and they just had amazing pictures
of them. Like, for example, just to give you an example,

(57:28):
after the USSRFL right after the Soviet Union broke up
and became independent states, lots of the newly independent states
found themselves with nuclear weapons but no nuclear expertise. So,
for example, Kazakhstan found itself with all these new nuclear
weapons but no idea what to do with them. And
so the Americans had to go through this big effort
to try and to try and lock down the nuclear weapons,

(57:48):
and the Russians had to go and try and lock
down the nuclear weapons. And then I'd never heard the story,
which is interesting because I love reading about this kind
of thing. But there was this little factory in the
middle of nowhere in Kazakhstan, the middle of nowhere, total
backwaters of Kazakhstan, who quietly got in touch with the
US embassy to say that that they had something they

(58:08):
wanted to give to the Americans, six hundred kg's of
highly enriched uranium which was enough to make twenty nuclear bombs,
and like that had just been like sitting in a
garage stuff like that. Right, It's just super interesting and
they've got amazing pictures and that kind of thing. So anyway,
that is my pick for the nerds out there, the
super news. I don't know, maybe if you've got COVID
or something like that, you forced to sit on the

(58:29):
couts for the next week. Turning point, the bomb in
the Cold War is my pick.

Speaker 9 (58:34):
Incredible.

Speaker 13 (58:35):
Yeah, But I love that with so much content these days, Jack,
that there was something out there for everyone. I love
that you found that niche piece of television that you
just love.

Speaker 10 (58:43):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I love that you can justify my taste. Thank you
very much. Tara Ward, our screen time expert. Those shows
will all be up on the News talks He'd website
if you want to watch them at home. It's just
coming up ten thirty.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Getting your weekends started, It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team
on news talks 'b inside.

Speaker 11 (59:07):
He said, who knows your got a Forney points of
you says.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
You've got away with murder? Maybe on sign maybe two
something cars in the morning where I can't see those
failing eyes.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I can't find a good word for you, does it?

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Commacea? Who talks be you with Jack Tame this Saturday morning?
Did you know that to enrich uranium you have to
put it in a centrifuge that spins at about fifteen
thousand revs a second. That's crazy, A you can tell
having watched the show, I've gone down a real rabbit hole,
you know, just differentiating may you my isotopes? May you

(59:54):
two three fives from may you two three sevens. I
have also, of course been watching the Democratic National Convention
in Chicago this week. You have to you have to say,
regardless of which party you're following, they are just incredible events,
like just as one off shows. They just one of
the most extraordinary things to watch. The Republicans were amazing

(01:00:14):
to watch as well. Highlights for me out of the
Democratic Convention, I thought it was really interesting seeing the
former assistant to Milania Trump come out. So she'd been
with the Trumps the whole way through the Donald Trump's
presidency until January sixth, and she put up on the
big screen behind her the text that she sent to
Milania on January sixth, saying, hey, do you want to

(01:00:36):
send out a tweet or something just saying people are
welcome to protest, but violence has no place in American
democracy or something like that. Millennia just said no. Most
emotional moment Tim Waltz, the vice presidential candidate, when he
was making his speech his son, that was amazing, you know,
really emotional, standing up, tears streaming down his face, saying

(01:00:58):
that's my dad, that's my dad. And best speech, Oh,
it's got to be Michelle Obama. I reckon A. I
think part of the reason is that you don't actually
see Michelle Obama speak in public that often. I mean,
Barack Obama is the great orator of world leaders, but
for those who haven't actually been leaders, you know, I reckon,
I reckon. Michelle Obama is next level as well. Ninety

(01:01:21):
two ninety two if you want to fick his message
this morning Jacket News Talks, headb dot co, dot nz.
Right now it is twenty five minutes to eleven, digging into.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
The issues that affect you the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Is it a razor ed thing. I'm the head coach,
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Is that how it worked generally?

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Well, I'd love to be a part of that.

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I can't see how you can say he will be
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Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Twenty three to eleven on News Talks EDB. Maybe virtual
reality isn't quite as appetizing as the tech companies want
it to be. Meta has announced this week it's going
to be calling it quits on making a really fancy
virtual reality or mixed reality headset. This would be Meta
or Facebook's answer to the Apple Vision Pro, which is

(01:02:20):
the product that Apple sells a text fort. Paul Steinhouse
is here with the details. Gilder Paul, Good morning, Jack.

Speaker 18 (01:02:26):
Yeah, I watched the Democratic National Convention too, and the
thing that I took away from it was how much
fun people were having together in celebrating. And then I
see this headline. It's like, yeah, well that makes sense,
doesn't it, because you know we had that time in
COVID we were by ourselves and it wasn't a fun.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
It's a very good I'd never thought about that. That's
a very astute piece of analysis. So you reckon that.
Actually instead of having virtual reality, No, I shouldn't sound
so surprised, but instead of having instead of having a
virtual world, actually maybe people want to hang out in
the flesh, you know, like we always have.

Speaker 18 (01:03:02):
You know, like experience things together and have you know,
tens of thousands of balloons fall on you and turn
an arena into what looked like a ballpit. No, I
mean like it is people like getting together. And look,
this technology is also really hard because it not only
needs to feel great for the user and feel because
some of the problems at the moment is it feels

(01:03:23):
quite heavy, it can feel quite hot, and it uses
quite expensive technology and so you also need the content
to go with it. It's like a chicken in the
egg scenario, right, Like people don't want to do virtual
reality until there's something fun to do in virtual reality,
but they don't want to make it until people have
head set. So Meta was trying, and they've been trying
since November to do this headset that was going to

(01:03:44):
try to compete with Apples three and a half thousand
US dollar vision Pro. They were going to try to
keep it undred thousand dollars. Apparently it was becoming harder
and harder, so they've just called it quits. But there's
another interesting piece there that Apple's vision Pro has also
raally struggled to get interest from buyers and also developers,

(01:04:04):
and some of the estimates actually said that Apple probably
won't sell more than half a million of them this year,
which I know, when if you take the word Apple away,
you'd be like half a million dollars is actually pretty decent.
But this is Apple, right, This is something that Tim
Cook was kind of like this is the next frontier
of computing and really has kind of put his name
to it. And so the fact that it hasn't been

(01:04:26):
very successful in Apple's eyes is also maybe probably signaling
some alarm.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Okay, so can I just ask a really simple question here?
Just yeah, sure, I'm not the only one. What do
people actually do with these Apple Vision pro headsets? They
can you do game with them?

Speaker 18 (01:04:41):
Yeah, there's a lot of gaming, right, so you can
really put yourself into that world if you're seen on
TikTok and reels and things. There's some funny videos of
people trying to run in virtual reality and end up
running into walls and things like that. But they're also
trying to really promote it meta, especially in the workplace,
so to really take the idea of instead of just

(01:05:01):
video conferencing to kind of like Avatar conference if you will,
and be able to instead of having a twenty seven
inch screen at your desk, you can put your headset
on and have a one hundred inch screen and make
your spreadsheets really big.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
But I think people want to be together.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, it's interesting, Like you say,
this might be a bit of a sign of the times.
It's funny in the AI race, as various companies compete
to have the right component tree that can make really
supercharged AI systems, there have been some potentially unlikely winners,
and Video is probably top of the list, right, and
that's the company that was predominantly a gaming company, but

(01:05:42):
was making these chips that can be used for AI
and is now worth gazillions of dollars. But there is
another surprising winner.

Speaker 9 (01:05:50):
Yes, mits of this hy electric.

Speaker 18 (01:05:53):
Can you believe the people who usually make heat pumps
and their conditioning, Yeah, they also make the optical components
used in the data centers to enable the really high
speed connections between the servers that's required for AYE, and
they these optical components jack are in mega demand. So
they are about to ramp up their production capacity to

(01:06:15):
basically fifty percent.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
More than what it was last year.

Speaker 18 (01:06:19):
And they think that even when they do that, it
still won't be enough and they're probably going to have.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
To double that new figure.

Speaker 18 (01:06:26):
Wow, I'm not great at math, but that's kind of
like three hundred percent or so, right, Like that's a
yeig number. And they still don't even know if that's
going to be able to do it because they're such
a unique provider in this space and if you want
to do a data center, you.

Speaker 9 (01:06:38):
Kind of need them.

Speaker 18 (01:06:39):
And look, the heat pump and econdigity business is probably
not doing too bad either, because think of all the
different things that need to go into.

Speaker 9 (01:06:47):
A data center.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Yeah, security, heat and cooling.

Speaker 18 (01:06:51):
You know, the people staffing it, of course, but there
must be so many players in this who are just
seeing their businesses take off thanks to this AI tech.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Yeah, that's amazing. Hey thanks Paul. That is Paul Stineaus
he is our texpert on Saturday Mornings and a couple
of minutes on Newstalks said, what are the cuts to
the OCR What is the cut to the OICR singular cut?
For now? What's it going to mean for people who
are thinking about refixing their mortgage? Sometimes soon? A personal
finance expert with her tips Right now, it's eighteen to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Day and beep
you it dot co dot nz for high quality supplements
used talk zenby you know have If.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
You are having a bit of a stressful time in life,
the first thing to suffer is your sleep. It's just inevitable, right,
It feels inevitable if you're having a tough time of things,
You're tossing and turning, you're wide awake at night. Well
after eleven o'clock this morning, we're going to be speaking
with clinical psychologist Google Sutherland, who has some really practical
tips on how to manage stress when you don't want
it to interrupt your sleep cycles. He's got some really

(01:07:53):
useful practical tips. So he's going to share that with
us right now, though it is time to talk money,
and Lisa Dudson is with us this morning.

Speaker 14 (01:08:00):
Killed her Good morning Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Oh well, it was the sigh of relief heard around
the country, wasn't it. The ocr having its first cut
just twenty five basis points for the time being, after
a period of extended pain for many mortgage holders. But
how do you think the average person with a mortgage
is actually going to be reacting to this? When are
we really going to see some significant change?

Speaker 11 (01:08:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:08:24):
Well, I mean, look, it's good news, there's no doubt
about that, right, But there's there's a big lag and
that's the challenge, right because you know, interstrates went up
quite significantly two years or so ago, but the pain
has been felt.

Speaker 11 (01:08:35):
More this year than last year.

Speaker 14 (01:08:38):
So you know what we find now obviously his illustrates
are starting to come down. There's lots of little cuts.
I think you know this five point nine to nine
percent eighteen months, which is you know, that's pretty attractive.
We'll probably see. You know, I'm not economists, but most
people I seem to talk to you think we'll be
well into the low f lives by you know, the
end of next year. That's crystal ball gazing all with it.

(01:08:58):
But so, you know, so that's all good, right, But
the challenge is is in New Zealands, most people have
their interstrates fixed, so they're locked in for a period
of time, so they won't get the benefit of that
until their mortgages come off those fixed rates, which could
be six, twelve, eighteen months, two years away.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Yeah, this is the and so this is why when
I mean it works in both directions. Right when the
ocr was being increased, it took a bit of time
for the full impact of those increases to actually hit homeowners.
Now the same thing happens in reverse.

Speaker 14 (01:09:30):
That's right, And I think I think the note of
caution too is that you do have to be mindful
about breaking your sixteen LUNs, right, because that's what a
lot of people do. They go great with I've got
a seven in my and my rates at the second
ash I can get down to five point nine to nine.
Let's go and break the rate and refix it the
low rate. However, that's not easy because what happens is

(01:09:51):
the bank's penalize you for breaking those rates. So if
you have got that, if that's in your headspace and
you're thinking about that, please please go and see your
mortgages either and just work through the implications of that,
because for most people you're just going to have to
write it out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Yeah, that's right, and it's not too complex to do
the sums right like sometimes there can be a little
bit of a difference, but for the most part, I mean,
the banks are very much, you know, very familiar with
this concept, so you know that they will you know
there will be penalties and implications if you do decide
to break. How do you think also, how do you
think then that people who are going to be fixing
sometimes soon should be should be thinking about the trajectory

(01:10:30):
for interest rates in the OCR over the next wee
While I don't.

Speaker 14 (01:10:34):
Think they need dispute that it is going to be
heading south, right, So I guess that if you've got
a sixtreme rate coming up for you'll fairly soon again
talk to your mortgage advisor and get some advice, But
you probably want to be looking at six months and
just rolling those six months until those freaks come down.
Although having said that, though, you know, five point ninety

(01:10:55):
nine is probably not too bad for eighteen months, because
if you it's that averaging out that you need to,
you know, consider So for instance, if you've got you know,
locking something into eighteen months, what is the amount of
intersues you're paying versus three six months rollovers?

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Yeah, Do you reckon that the banks are going to
be really competitive over this?

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
I mean, you know, but I mean, I just it's
funny because you know, like people get excited, right, so
this feels like there's you know, like mortgage holders are
kind of excited about the about the direction of interest
rates over the next week while and I just wonder
if if they are likely to be more competitive as

(01:11:40):
rates are increasing or as rates are going down. It'll
be interesting to see.

Speaker 14 (01:11:45):
You know, they're quite proactive with the pups because I think,
you know, there is a bit of data out there
that they are making lots cuts, but they're albit their
tiny cap both and you know, and when they get
the cuts, they get a bit of eartime and a
bit of media coverage, right, so that's quite good for
their branding. But banks make good margins, and you know,
they make better margins than what they do in Australia
in general, and you know they're going to be whole

(01:12:06):
onto those margins and they need to hold onto those
margins because they have a responsibility of these shareholders as well.
Yeah right, so you know, you know it's hard to
answer that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Yeah, I didn't know if they'd be more more likely
to be competitive on the way up and more likely
to be competitive on the way down. Something tells me
that at the end of the day, just like because
we know the banks win.

Speaker 14 (01:12:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well that thrives. You just have to
look at these shaar prices and they dive it into
the shareholders and the last you know, we've run and
they've always been a great stock to invest in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, like you say, though, some
reason for optimism for mortgage holders. Thank you so much, Lisa, Lisa, welcome, Lisa.
Doesn't there right now? It is eleven to eleven on
newstalks'd we're in the garden.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Next on gardening with still Shop free accessories this winter
at still Shop and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Who else but our man Rude climb pass is in
the garden this morning. Good morning, Hi Jack.

Speaker 9 (01:12:56):
How's everything going at your blade?

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Yeah? Very good. Thanks we are. Look, things have are
slowly improving. Like I said to you, we've you know,
we've accepted that a couple of items around the Tame
family garden that were not watered as they should have
been last summer, those have been replaced. We've replanted. Everything's
looking okay for the time being. I'm looking forward to
spring a bit more blossom around our place. But the
first of the blossom is coming through. I've even seen

(01:13:19):
if you're dafodils around the place, so I can't own
too much.

Speaker 20 (01:13:22):
Yeah, it's it's interesting here on the porthills. That told
we have quite a few plums already flowering. Really really,
oh Gosha, apricots in full flower. It's it's quite a
bit early. I just had a check to my neighbor,
the one that we're going to be talking about it.

Speaker 9 (01:13:37):
Yeah, same thing. Everything is a bit early. Here's crazy.
Even their climatis is very I.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Mean apricots and flower now, yes, mate, yes, I mean
this isn't this is not actually a very good sign.

Speaker 9 (01:13:51):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
I think I don't know if you've heard rude. And
I'm sure I'm gonna get a lot of texts about this.
But the climate is changing, yes it is, Oh yeah, yeah,
well yeah, but hang on.

Speaker 20 (01:14:02):
These plants can the depth themselves even rather fast some time.
So if there is an earlier flowering, now we might
have some earlier fruit.

Speaker 9 (01:14:11):
And that's fine. It's not a big deal. It just
means we pay less a food town, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Well, if we can enjoy from that benefit, then yes,
I'm all about it, so long as there are no.

Speaker 9 (01:14:21):
Downside, that's right. Anyway.

Speaker 20 (01:14:24):
So last a couple of about a month ago, we
had some seriously cold midwinter nonsense going on here, and
I thought cheapest, I know, because I'm growing this lovely
missletoe and that I planted on a Kofi bush here
in the garden.

Speaker 9 (01:14:39):
And you know missletoes, don't you getting under the mistletoe?

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
And oh yeah, yeah, of course.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:14:43):
Well, we've got a few native quite a few native species,
and I planted one on a kofi bush with a
sticky seed.

Speaker 9 (01:14:50):
And that's how the that's how that works with mistletoe.

Speaker 20 (01:14:53):
They have a fruit if you like, and the birds
like to eat the fruit and then they eat the fruit,
but the seed is so sticky they have to wipe
their bill on the branch of the tree where they
found the seed.

Speaker 9 (01:15:04):
And this is how you get a new plant.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
It sticks to the plant, isn't it clear? Yeah, that
is amazing.

Speaker 20 (01:15:11):
So that's it exactly by design. So but anyway, so
I just made sure that I wasn't sure my missilete
was fine. It was okay, there were a few holes
in it was not good. But then I went to
the cross the road and there's aforementioned mentioned neighbor, Scott.
It's his birthday today anyway, so I had to tell
him that I had a look to see how his

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missiletee was doing. Because his missile toe is in is
basically on a Koprosmo view escence, which is the mingy mingi.
That mode he named for it beautiful shrub by the way, God,
I love reessence. And his missilete was almost completely chewed
to bits. It was extrayed in the middle of the winter.

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So I thought, let's have a look, and I went
and never looked down there down into the mini mingi plant,
and there was an adult Katie did and Katie did
is that green grasshoppery like thing with the long wings,
long antennage and that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (01:16:10):
And yeah, them flies or jumps away.

Speaker 20 (01:16:11):
That it has been literally surviving that winter's winters area
in that mini me and eating the missilete. It was
unbelievable because I'd a I've never seen a katie did
in the winter time. They usually go silbat lady autumn
and that's about it. And the second things I never

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knew they would have a go at that flashy leafy
leaf of the missilete.

Speaker 9 (01:16:37):
It was extraordinary, amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Yeah, you've seen a photo through as well. Just for
anyone who is one hundred percent of what the catyd as,
will make sure that photo is up on the on
the website. It looked like, to be honest, it had
been feeding in a pretty good paddock, perfect it.

Speaker 20 (01:16:55):
Yeah, but that shows you that sometimes these vandals, these katis,
they find their way to survive the winter and find
a very good, green, green missile.

Speaker 9 (01:17:06):
Yeah, and I think it's lovely. So they've went straight
onto ot choice.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Very good. Hey, thank you so much. Yeah, that's appeared,
Like I say, we will make sure Rud's pictures are
up on the news Talks he'd be website as well.
Everything from our show goes up there. So the recipe
we shared earlier earlier on this morning, that's up there.
You can get all of our screen time, our movie picks,
book reviews, all of that great stuff goes on the
news talks HEB website, News Talks HEB dot co dot

(01:17:33):
nz Ford slash Jack Thang you rude. We will catch
you again next Saturday morning after eleven o'clock. Today we
are well, we're shifting our focus a little bit. The
last couple of weeks on Newstalks he'd be in our
travel segment. We have been in the heart of the
Mediterranean summer. Now we're going to the next best thing.
We are exploring the cultural jewels of Graymouth. Honestly, I'm

(01:17:56):
not actually I'm not taking the mickey. The South Islands
West Coast, I think is the most underrated part of
this beautiful country. News is next on Newstalk Z'B.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
If you are just turning on the radio this morning,
it is great to be with you, Jack Tame on
News Talks dB through to midday Today before twelve o'clock,
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They are this Irish kind of post punk band. They're
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the band actually joined together through a mutual love of poetry,
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We'll play you some of the new and before midday.
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famous works. Right now, it is eight minutes past eleven, Jack,
and time to get up with our clinical psychologist. Google
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Speaker 11 (01:19:30):
Jack, it was interesting you were talking about Shakespeare. I
was out out with a group of friends on Susday
night at the pub and people started quoting Shakespeare at
one another. It was quite a surreal experience from.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
That's very sophisticated. Google, that's very no doubt you were
there just reeling off a few soliloquies yourself a few
hours about discontents, my gloriou summer by the son.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
You're doing.

Speaker 11 (01:19:53):
I know a couple of my friends who got PhDs
in English literature, and that was like, oh my god,
this is quite this. Then we got the swapping brisket recipes,
a very interesting, very interesting evening that we're very pleasurable.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Indeed, Yeah, you've got you've got multiple friends with PhDs
and English literature.

Speaker 11 (01:20:12):
Yeah, yeah, one used to lecture in the States, and
another has got a one of those high achievers who's
got a law degree and a pH d in English.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Slap, it wasn't a bill English, doesn't I don't think
he is a PhD. Isn't a billing study English literature?
Could be wrong on me?

Speaker 11 (01:20:27):
Yeah, I think it's a wonderful thing to be perfectly
honest and or look at those people in some sort
of envy and going gosh, I wish I had that
knowledge of literature and books that you did.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
But there, oh, very good. Hey, I was saying before
eleven o'clock this morning. If you are going through a
stressful period, one of, if and I'm speaking from personal
experience here, one of, if not the very first things
to suffer is sleep. Right That that almost is like
the perfect barometer of stress, I reckon, because if you
are stressed, and you're anything like me, you cannot get

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a good night's sleep.

Speaker 11 (01:21:01):
Yeah, yeah, I absolutely agree, and I've had the same
I've had a stressful period of last few weeks and
my sleep has been disrupted. One of my colleagues talks
about how sleep is the canary and the cold for
when things aren't going particularly well, and you're absolutely right,
it's one of the first signs you know that period

(01:21:22):
either well, it seems to fall into sort of three categories.
Either you can't get to sleep when you go to bed,
or you wake up in the middle of the night,
or you wake up much earlier than you want to.
You know, you do to get up at six or
something and you're awake at four point thirty and can't
get back to sleep. So and very often it's a
symptom of stress. So it's annoying, but it's also a
good thing for people to pay attention to and go,

(01:21:44):
oh yeah, something might be going.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
On for me. So yeah, I mean usually you can
connect the dots right. Again, speaking for a personal experience,
if I'm stressed, I lie in bed. Usually I can
get to sleep, usually not always, but then I wake
up and I just can't. And then I'm done. I
cannot get back to sleep. I'm sitting there tossing and turning,
stealing over whatever it is that I'm stressing. So what

(01:22:07):
are some really practical tips on trying to manage that anxiety.

Speaker 11 (01:22:12):
Yeah, I'm the same. I sort of wake up. I've
been waking up at sort of three or three thirty
and trying to get back to sleep. Look, I think
particularly when that happens for somebody when they wake up
in the middle of the night like that, if you
haven't got back to sleep after about fifteen minutes, then
you're not really falling anybody. You're probably not going back

(01:22:35):
to sleep. You're in a state of state of alertness,
so your brain's quite alert, and that's really not a
type your brain's not really able to go to sleep. So,
particularly for those people that wake up in the middle
of the night, a really good thing, a very useful thing,
if you can do it, is actually to get out
of bed. So get out of bed, keep warm, and

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then go and do something two choices. You can don't
do something really boring, like I remember somebody saying, oh,
I go and do the eyening, and I was thinking, well,
that could have some dangerous consequences if you leave the
iron on.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Yeah, so do that.

Speaker 11 (01:23:12):
Or if you've got something rushing around and round in
your head like I often do, then get a pen
and a piece of paper and just just write. Don't
worry about punctuational grammar or spelling anything like that. Just
write and write and write and write and write, and
basically trying. You're trying to write out what is in
your brain. And eventually, after twenty minutes or so, you'll
probably you'll probably get a bit You're writing will slow down,

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and you'll be a bit tired and your brain will
be a bit exhausted. And then when you're feeling tired,
go back to sleep, or try to go back to
sleep again.

Speaker 16 (01:23:41):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
That's a good tip and really important to distinguish it there,
you say, with a pen and pad, a pen and
piece of paper, as opposed to getting the laptop open
and having that the digital device open. Right, because then
you're getting stimulated, then you're going on to trade me,
then you're doing all sorts of other things.

Speaker 11 (01:23:58):
Yeah, that's right. You're really trying to the method behind
the madness, as you're trying to essentially kind of exhaust
your brain and externalize what is in your heads, because
some of the reason that you that your brain is
keeping you awake is it's saying to you, have this
thing that you're worried about is really important. Don't forget it.

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Don't forget it, don't try and work it out. Try
and work it out. And if you've written it down
on a piece of paper, you can you can sort
of reassure your brain and say, it's all right, brain,
I've got that, we've written it down. I'll come back
to this in the morning, and you can sort of
mentally tell your brain that that's the case and just
give it a little bit of peace. But you don't,
don't don't go into your laptop. You'll get distracted or

(01:24:38):
it will make you think more about work, which is
possibly the thing that's stressing you out in the first place.

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Yeah, cool, that makes sense. Try to resist the urge
to sleep in.

Speaker 11 (01:24:48):
Yeah, putting aside weekends, because you know, I think we
all like to have a bit of a sleep in
the weekends. But sleep is really looking to sleep will
do anything it can to get into a routine, and
it doesn't necessarily distinguish what's a good routine or a
bad routine. So you need to have some control over that.
So if your regular wake up times, whatever it is,

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six thirty in the morning, even if you've had a
terrible night's sleep, try and stick to getting up at
six thirty in the morning or whatever your time is,
rather than sleeping in to try and catch up, because
there's sort of a knock on effect if you then
sleep in for another hour, then when you come to
go to bed at night, you won't be tired for
another hour and your whole cycle starts to get out

(01:25:32):
of whack. And it's really I know, this is really tough,
because you know you've just perhaps got to sleep and
you're rousing yourself. But do try and keep into that
routine if it's all possible. It's way better for you
in the longer term.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Exactly the same thing applies for napping the afternoon. Right
You don't want to go too crazy even if you've
missed out on sleep the night before.

Speaker 11 (01:25:53):
Yeah, exactly the same thing. It's routine. I'm lucky enough.
In the last probably three or four years, I've somehow
mastered the art of having a twenty minute nap in
the not at work work quill. Yeah, but during the weekend,
and honestly, it's it's amazing. It's just sort of immediate refresh.

(01:26:14):
But if you it has to be about twenty minutes
or less. If it's longer, you'll get into your big
sleep side yea, and rarely start to disrupt things so
that you can nap for twenty twenty minutes or let's
sit an alarm, but don't do it for any longer
than that, even if your dog tie, and try and
keep your tiredness and your sleep for the for the

(01:26:34):
for the nighttime.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Yeah. So I have the problem with because I love
a nap. Oh yeah, thats me, like the heaven knows no, please,
are like an afternoon nap. But my problem is that
I either can't get to sleep, or if I do,
I get into that long you know, like I sleep
for a solid hour and then I wake up and
you know, there's something about waking up from an afternoon nap.
That is just so much ruder than waking up in

(01:26:57):
the morning. You always look, you always wake up. You
got to dry mouth, and you look terrible. It takes
about an hour just to get back into you know,
back into the rhythm of your day's I don't know
what it is. Yeah, and it's that terrible groggy feeling
and you ggy.

Speaker 11 (01:27:12):
You've probably interrupted that sleep cycle, so you've possibly come
out of sleep when you're in a deep sleep rather
than in your light like the stages of sleep. And
that's and so yeah, look, even if you just lie
and have a rest and set your alarm for twenty
minutes or twenty five minutes or so, that's probably okay.
Even if you don't sleep, but do try to resist

(01:27:33):
the urge to sleep on and on even though you
want to and oh gosh, I really need it. Just
try and bank up your sleep for nighttime because that's
when you really.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Want to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Yeah, you'll appreciate it later on. Thank you so much,
Doogle great practical tips As always Googles. I learned from
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Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Man, We're just about to connect with our travel correspondent
Mike Yardly before we do, though, just see, you know,
I double checked it. I just double checked it. I
googled it in the ad Brakes. Yes, Bill English did
study English literature. He did an honors degree at Victoria University.
So there you go, myke Godly as well us this morning.
Good morning sent, Good morning Jack's.

Speaker 11 (01:28:14):
But speaking of politics, is it true that Carmela is
finally going to face the press and she's booked in
for Q and A tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
Ah, as great as my production team is on Q
and A, as keen as they are in pursuing big
names for the show. Sadly, I have to report that
Carmela will not be appearing tomorrow. Although it's about times
she did an interview. There's no excuse now, right, she's
done the Now the Convention, she is officially the nominee.

(01:28:42):
I think I can Yeah, they can justify holding it
until now, but she's going to have to come under
a bit more scrutiny, I reckon. So eventually, what did
you make of the Convention of what you saw of
it night?

Speaker 11 (01:28:52):
Yeah, full tilt? Wasn't it absolute raise?

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
Mataires.

Speaker 11 (01:28:56):
I'm always intrigued how the Democrats seem to be so
tethered to the celebrity elite of the states. They seem
to go hand in hand, don't they.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
They do, Although Beyonce did in front. There was their
whole rumor that Beyonce was going to be closing it out,
but she wasn't there.

Speaker 11 (01:29:13):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Although well, yeah, one of my strange highlights, and this
might be lost on all, but the keenest of American
hip hop fans, was when they were introducing the different
delegates from different states. You know, they have this thing
called the role call, and so they call up people
from yeah, Minnesota, and here's Nebraska and blah blah blah.

(01:29:34):
And when they called out Georgia, the state of Georgia,
they had Lil John, who is who's a Southern rapper,
and he just he came out and started rapping as
their answer to the roll call, which I thought was
was unique. I couldn't couldn't picture that happening at a
national or labor party conference here in New Zealand. A

(01:29:54):
little bit different to say the least. Anyway, Hey, we're
focusing on Graymouth this morning. I was saying before the
west coast of South Island. I just think it is
one of the most beautiful, underrated parts of New Zea.
And the latest attraction in town and Graymouth worth the
trip alone is the Ponamu Pathway.

Speaker 11 (01:30:12):
Marfetta absolutely extraordinary, Jack, Yes, we're at workshop. They teamed
up with poteeny Nitahu to create four Ponamu Pathway experience centers,
so they're strung along the west coast. The Graymouth Center
MARFAA opened about nine months ago and you've got the
stirring storytelling and all of that technological wizardry. The center

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on the old Revington's Hotel site in Greymouth, which is
such a great location because previously that was the historic
site of Marfetta par Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Yeah, it's it looks amazing from what I've seen, just gorgeous.
So talk us through some of the features. There's that
giant sculpture of two Hoodoo.

Speaker 11 (01:30:54):
Yes, so if you've been to the Gallipoli exhibition to
Papa and marveled over those enormous sculptures, you will be
equally awestruck by the center's starring attraction in Graymouth. This
giant sculpture of tou Hudu, and I have to say, Jack,
my heart skipped a beach as I gazed up close
in the awe of just the hyperreality of this warrior chief.

(01:31:20):
And I mean he was actually seven feet tall in
real life apparently what this Wow? Yeah, great basketballer, but
this super sized sculpture spans about four meters, so we
are talking gigantic, and he was a giant. He was
the warrior chief who led Nitahu's conquest of the West

(01:31:41):
coast in the Ponamu trade. And you kind of expect
him to spring into life as you're standing beneath him.
He's been magnificently adorned with all of these waven accessories
and the world's largest known ponamu hatiki that the pendant
around his neck weighs eight kilogram.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Oh my gosh, that's incredible. How did Nita who navigate
across the else to the ponama on the west coast.

Speaker 11 (01:32:08):
I just was blown away by the history that the
center showcases. So I wasn't aware of this, but Nati
White Ungy first settled on the West coast from Taranaki
in the fifteen hundreds. Nita, who of course were over
on the other side of the mountains out east. They
were very eager to get their hands on the Uponamu trade,
so they first destroyed Nati White onions part at Mafeta

(01:32:32):
before conquering the wide a west coast. But the amazing
thing jack all began with this young Wahini, a young
woman from the Nati White Ungee called Roreca, and she
found a route across the Southern Alps from the Arrahura
Valley just south of Arthur's Pass at the head of
the head of the Wilberforce River. So this was around

(01:32:53):
seventeen fifty And as you learn at the center and Graymouth,
when she crossed over what we know today is Browning's Pass,
she came across a Nightahu hunting party who are up
in the hills from out east. She showed them the
way across the mountains from the east and his history.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
Yeah, that's amazing, okay. And the thing about Ponamu is
that it isn't just that beautiful deep green color.

Speaker 11 (01:33:20):
That's right. As much as that is a beautiful color,
it with Captain Kok who called it Greenstone. I went
just out of Greymouth by Shantytown to Garth Wilson studio
now Garth is one of the coasts best known ponamu covers.
He started gathering stone from the rivers when he was
a really small boy with his father And when you

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go to a studio you will see these a variety
of hues. So, for example, Tutu Weka ponamu has this
distinct blood red coloring that's found in the Ardahura River
and also from the Ardahura Cocapoo ponamu which takes on
the similar gray spotted patterning of a speckled trout, absolutely extrawd. So, yeah,

(01:34:08):
gufts pieces are magnificent, but you just get a great
insight into the variety of ponamu Hughes at his studio.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Yeah, so just north of Greymouth tell us about breakers.

Speaker 11 (01:34:19):
Well, if you've ever been on the Great Coast Road
and you've stopped at that Strongman Mine Memorial at that
lookout point which is one of the great sprawling coastal
vistas from the highway, if you've been there, you may
have noticed there's this property sort of just tucked away,
set back from the beach on a terrace, wrapped in

(01:34:40):
native bosh, basking in the solitude. Well, you can stay here,
So it's called Breakers Boutique Accommodation. It actually began life
as Dr Dallas's house and Doctor Dallas was the mayor,
and the story goes that this was actually harborboard lands
Jack and you shouldn't have actually built on it, but hey,
when you're the mayor, so it's now a fabulous spot

(01:35:03):
to stay and directly behind yourcommodation. This absolutely blew my mind.
There are kiwi in the boss right next to the highway.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing, like meters away.

Speaker 11 (01:35:17):
A yeah, yeah totally.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
And what about nine Mile Beach? What makes it so special?

Speaker 11 (01:35:22):
Yes, well, if you wander down from Breakers, I've got
a private track down to the beach and a lot
of surfers out on the West coast they love nine
mile Beach because it's got a beefy left break. But
the beach has so many curiosities. So at low tide
there's rock pools to devil and brimming with muscles and staffish.
There's a waterfall that actually cascades down to the beach

(01:35:42):
from that Strongman mind memorial lookout. We've got a penguin
colony and you never know, you luck Ponamu. Fragments often
wash up on this beach and I just brought up
from the ocean swell further south and from breakers. Best
of all, the ocean panorama. You will just binge on that,
particularly when a fireball sunset tortures the Tasman Sea, and

(01:36:03):
it really is a remarkable spot.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
It's a beautiful part of the world. Thank you so much, Mike.
All of Mike's advice and tips on tripping around Graymouth
on the West Coast that will be available at news Talks,
said b dot co dot md it. It is just
coming up to eleven thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on news Talks at
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Speaker 21 (01:36:32):
Man will the same where John.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
New socks be you with Jack Tame after midday today,
Jason Pie is back behind the mic with Weekends Sport.
He's with us now you to Piney. Hello Jack, So
I've I've been forced to reckon with Maricans this morning.
I started the show. I started the show right and
I said how refreshing I found the New Zealand Rugby
communicates this week, and that instead of coming out and

(01:37:12):
saying uh RANGI or Leo McDonald wants to spend more
time with the family or is the even for personal reasons.
They just came out and said, yeah, he and Rasa
aren't getting along. They see the game differently, they're not clicking,
and they want to call it told the truth. Yeah,
And I was like, well, look, we obviously don't know
the full story, but from what we know, that seems

(01:37:32):
refreshingly honest and I like it. And the way they
came out there wasn't any malice, There wasn't any nastiness.
They just came out and said it the way Raisers
spokes said, Yeah, just we just look at the game
totally differently. Now, again, we haven't heard all of the
details yet, and some of our listeners this morning have
been quick to point out that perhaps we need to
wait until we hear from Leam McDonald before we make
up our mind as to exactly what has happened and

(01:37:54):
what's gone down. But what is your take on it?
All very similar to yours?

Speaker 22 (01:37:58):
Actually, while it was a surprise, I think some of
the hyperbole around it was a bit over the top.
You know, all black coaching team in disarray, you know, chaos,
all this sort of stuff that was a surprise, Yes,
of course it was, But like you, I was most
impressed by the swiftness and the honesty around it all.
And you're right, we don't yet know what really went

(01:38:21):
on there, but look, it's like a it's like a relationship, Jack.
We've all been in relationships that weren't working well, I
guess most of us have. And rather than sort of
box on, Yes, you've got to work at these things,
but if you know in your heart of hearts that
it ain't gonna work, the best thing to.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
Do is to is to shake hands and move on.
And I just feel like they've done it now, I think.
Which it's not like you know, it's not they've been
going for months on anything, like they're four weeks deep.
Maybe there are some people say they should have given
a bit long, But if it's not working now, then
so much better to call it now than to battle
on for two years. And you know, have like kind
of cliques forming within the wider unit, and you know, loyalties,

(01:39:01):
splits and all that kind of thing.

Speaker 11 (01:39:02):
You know, you got.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Oh, here's another little story in the Herald that says
that the murmurs that things aren't working.

Speaker 22 (01:39:07):
I just feel like calling it early. This so much
to be said for that. Yeah, I totally agree with
that as well. You better better two months and then
two months out from the Rugby World Cup. The one
thing I do find interesting is how many voices there
are in that all Blacks coaching group. There are a
lot of there are a lot of assistant coaches, and
they have various briefs. But there'll be players who kind
of have to report up to a number of different people.

(01:39:31):
And if there isn't consistency across what the head coach
is trying to achieve and any of those assistant coaches,
then we do have a problem. Yeah, so fair, that's fair. Yeah, yeah,
good point. So I'm intrigued about a couple of things.
Whether it will have any on field impact, and my
gut feelers that it won't and rarely on McDonald ends
up next that will be very interesting to chart.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
He'll be in demand. I mean, I rate I'll always
have but you know, you could you could see him
popping up in the UK, popping up in Europe somewhere,
are popping up in Australia maybe, So I'm sure he
won't be without work for too long, although it'll be interesting.
You know, there may be some sort of restraint of
trade clause or something we don't We don't know the
details on that obviously, so it might not be tomorrow
that he starts coaching for someone else. Crusaders. Yeah, yeah, true, true, yeah,

(01:40:18):
well not for next season, right, we know at the
very least, but perhaps thereafter. Hey, so we know the
Warriors last night, last home game for the season, pretty disappointing. Look,
I agree, I think there should have been a sin
beinning for that head on Roger two. Vasischik. Absolutely, I've
said already, I don't know that it would have materially

(01:40:40):
changed the outcome of the game, although the scores are
pretty close. I think when Artie has got hit, right,
what was your take on last night? I totally agree
on that. I mean, how on earth they've missed that.
It's just beyond me.

Speaker 22 (01:40:51):
He's basically taking a shoulder to the head from Bulldogs
skipper Stephen Crichton. You know, there's no gray area at all.
They shouldn't it should be a some, should be some,
but be there. As you say, that didn't win or
lose them the game. You think about Sean Johnson and
I thought, look, wonderful send off last night for him,
you know, in isolation from the game and the result itself,
and from the season as well. I think when I
remember Sean Johnson, I'll I'll remember the Sewan Johnson of

(01:41:13):
twenty twenty three more than I will the Shawn Johnson
of twenty twenty four. It's been a challenging year for him,
but I think, you know, you should remember, you know,
the greats of the game at their peak, and he's
had a couple of peaks. Look, when he first arrived,
he was absolutely magnificent. I'd forgotten. I've been watching a
few highlights in the last couple of days from twenty
eleven when he first turned up and he was sensational,

(01:41:35):
bean oh, incredible. And last year I think was almost
as you know, almost as peak of peaks when he
all but won the Dallym took the Warriors to one
game from the Grand Final and was just absolutely terrific.
I'll remember that Shawn Johnson, and I'm quite keen to
kind of pay tribute to him this afternoon, rather than
pick over the bones of what has been a disappointing

(01:41:56):
season that can wait for a couple of weeks. I
think this afternoon, let's let's celebrate one of the greats
of our game.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Yeah, let's do that this afternoon. What else is on
the show's other well'll.

Speaker 22 (01:42:05):
Cover off both of you. All Blacks Jeff Wilkson after
midday on the on the All Black Saga. Michael luck
one of Shawn Johnson's first teammates of the Warriors in
twenty eleven, also going to join us and the Paralympics
only a week away now, can't wait for this. And
Anna Grimaldi is one of our flag bearers.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
She's going to join us.

Speaker 22 (01:42:20):
She's looking for a third straight gold medal in the
T forty seven long jump, So I actually feeling about
that and about about carrying the flag at the opening ceremony.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
So we've got Anna grimaldy on just after two today US. Okay, great,
thanks money, have a go show jasnas Dan. He'll be
with us for weekend sport. He'll with us right after
the midday news on News Talks EDB. Before then, we're
going to listen to a new album by Fontaine's DC.
They're this Irish pop punk band, pretty catchy tunes as
well as that. Your book picks for the week twenty
four to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack, Tay and beepwured on code
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Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
eNB twenty one to twelve on News Talks EDB. If
you missed it, our feature interview last week Saturday Morning
last week was us author Jody Picoe, who is an
amazing successful writer, like the absolutely top of the pops
when it comes to the New York Times bestseller list,
all of that great stuff. I love that interview. If
you haven't listened to it, it is up on the

(01:43:17):
news Talk CB website right now. Put it on our
Facebook page as well so you can go and listen there.
She was just just super open, super interesting and engaged.
And now our book reviewer Catherine Rains has gone and
read Jodi Picoe's latest work, by any other Name, Calder Catherine,
Good morning, Chack, so tell us about it.

Speaker 8 (01:43:35):
So this starts with a dual timeline narrative, So it's
set both in fifteen eighty one and in twenty twenty,
and it's told from two different writers' perspectives, and they've
got a lot in common. And even though they've lived
five centuries apart, so in twenty twenty is successful. Not well,

(01:43:56):
she's actually an unsuccessful playwright. And she finds out a
woman who name's Melinda, and she finds out just how
tough being a playwright is when her college play is
critiqued to atte smotherings by our reviewer. And so we're
a decade on and she still doesn't know where she
wants to be in life, but she found this inspiration
to write a new script based on her sixteenth century ancestor,

(01:44:18):
a woman called Amelia Bassano, and she was England's first
published poet. And then by chance, she decides to submit
her play and her roommate Andre encourages to do so,
and after they have a little bit too much to drink,
they submit her play under a male name of mel
and she turns out to win this contest, and then
her path recrosses with the critic that she had a

(01:44:39):
guy called Jasper who just broke her enthusiasm for writing,
and a judgmental producer and Andre, her flatmate, happens to
be a gay black man, but he's created because they
think it's him under this perfect play about a white
woman's story and Mail can't find a convenient moment to
come clean about what she's done and how she submitted

(01:45:00):
her play, and she finds that it's slipping away. And
the other storyline is based on the real life of
Amelia Versano and she's Italian, she's musically talented, but she's
forced to become the mistress of Lord Chamberlain, who oversees
theater production in England, and she has lots of text
with Amelia to get her opinions and leads her to
write her own play to be performed. But to achieve

(01:45:21):
this she needed to compromise, and she makes an agreement
with a young actor, a guy, quite well known guy
called William Shakespeare, to act as the playwright of her work,
and she thinks that this is a small price to
pay to see her playreach audiences. So Jodie managed is
to combine the historical and the contemporary with this dull
tail timeline, and she really explores William Shakespeare's legacy a lot,

(01:45:43):
so how it was possible for him to write over
thirty plays while he's a full type actor and producer,
and did he actually buy work from others and could
he have been part of a group, and it's really
opens your mind to lots of different possibilities, and she
writes a lot at the end of the book about
how things like this could be possible, and it really
makes you think and when you look at his life

(01:46:04):
and particularly if you've studied it. Aside from that, the
story is just a really good story and these timelines
and about you know, finding your place in.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
Life, which is the Jodi Pico thing, right, Yeah, absolutely
is cool. That sounds great. So by any other name
by Jodi Picoe. You've also read Tiger Tiger by James Patterson.

Speaker 8 (01:46:23):
So this isn't an inside look at Tiger Woods written
by a lot of people who know him well, because
James Patterson isn't an insider. He's never attended any Tiger
Woods press conferences and he's never spoken to him one
to one, although to be fair, very few people actually
had that are reviewers or biographers. But what he is
is he's a great storyteller and he's written over four

(01:46:45):
hundred books themselves, and he loves playing golf and he
has since his high school days. And so what he's
done is he's flowed Tiger Story right from when he
appears in a local news program in Los Angeles in
September nine, seventy eight, at the age of two, when
he's featured on national television pushing a golf demonstration. And
you know, he was nicknamed Tiger very early on, and

(01:47:08):
he watched sport and all of that sort of stuff,
and golf and apparently he hit his first golf ball
when he was ten months old, and you know, that's
his It's unbelievable, isn't it. And that was, as we
all know, his destiny, and he set national records and championships.
And he follows that chronological journey through Woods' life and
the role of his parents, particularly his father and also

(01:47:29):
his mother, and you know, his tournament life and the
things that he faced about his racial bias and restrictions
and regulations at venues where he couldn't compete or does compete,
but they didn't were terribly happy about it, you know.
And then he talks about his personal life and his
marriage and the collapse of that, and his private life

(01:47:49):
and the affairs and their drug abuse and all his
injuries and all that sort of stuff. And I think
if you're a massive golfing fan, you probably know all
of this and you know, it's stuff that we probably
all know that's been talked about in the media. But
what he does is he follows it in a really
well tailed storyline makes it easier for I think that
arm cheer golfs enthusiasts to follow along. And you know

(01:48:10):
about his comebacks and his contributions and where he is
now and leaving Nike and doing his own clothing label.
And it talks about his son, Charlie's team and the
state high school championships, and you know his vice chairman
now as he is of PGA Tour Enterprises. And you
know there's lots of parts of that story retold and
the and has great comeback and following, you know, going along,

(01:48:32):
and it's just, yeah, it's a really nice way of
looking at Tiger Woods.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
The story.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
It sounds like a compelling and comprehensive read.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
So that's Tiger Tiger by James Patterson. The first book,
of course, is By Any Other Name by Jody Picot.
New music for you in a.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
Couple of minutes, giving you the inside scoop on all
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Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
Seems so had not to be free.

Speaker 6 (01:49:03):
When you were right beside me in the modern world.

Speaker 23 (01:49:14):
In the modern world, don't feel anything world, I don't
feel bad.

Speaker 3 (01:49:28):
This is in the modern world. It's by Fontaine's DC.
We've got a new album out called Romance. Stale Clifford
is our music reviews. She's been listening, killed up.

Speaker 14 (01:49:38):
Gut on warning.

Speaker 24 (01:49:39):
I didn't realize the DC stood for Dublin City. Oh
I did catch up on that, even though they're Irish boys.
You think i'd have clicked way, But nah, because there's
an American band called Fontane's as well, So don't confuse them.

Speaker 3 (01:49:53):
You're very good, ye yeah, yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:49:55):
So these guys were for their first few albums pigeonholed
in the post punk or punk post post punklets. That
day kind of genre was where they sat, and they
used to do a lot more of that real punk grunge,
a lot of the yelling and real.

Speaker 12 (01:50:12):
Heavy noise and lots of that sort of stuff.

Speaker 24 (01:50:14):
This album is where I feel like they've suddenly found
themselves and taken a real creative look at this and
how to do things a little bit differently, which is
why like that song there in the modern world. To me,
that's very guitar almost old nineties rock or when you
hear it, like maybe a little.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Bit U two esque, Okay, yeah yeah, Peatch.

Speaker 24 (01:50:36):
Shop Boys, which has then taken them back to the eighties.
But I think that's the guitar leeds kind of and
sound of Graham's voice as the lead vocals. They decided
to do something different with this album where they they
looked at every song with a visual aspect, like what
is happening while this song is happening, what's the weather
like who's being chased or followed, or what's the drama

(01:50:59):
around what the song is right before really honing in
on the instruments. And I think what's that's done is
it's made a lot of the music sound quite cinematic.

Speaker 12 (01:51:09):
Like they all have those big, sweeping.

Speaker 24 (01:51:12):
Kind of sounds in them, and a lot more layering
of the different instruments and music. And I also think
I just like the led singer Green's voice better in
this album too.

Speaker 13 (01:51:23):
You know, there's only so.

Speaker 24 (01:51:24):
Much punk sort of grunge stuff you want to take
in the vocals, where this one seems more considered. He's
trying out some different sort of shapes in his vocals
and it just makes for some really interesting listening. He
also I saw an interview where he said, when people
start to pick up on what your creativity story is,
it's time to shake it off and start something fresh.

(01:51:46):
And I was like, that's kind of cool, lay like
he doesn't want to be too obvious on what it
is they're going to do, but also maybe that's a
great motivator to play a bit more, try a bit more,
see what else you can do. There's some really big
tunes on this Starburster. He's been a big single for
them again, real dramatic opener, tweakly he's over these really

(01:52:07):
heavy bass and drums like stuff that you almost don't
think go together, but somehow they've fused it and it's
just it's really good. And it's written about experiencing a
panic attack at since Pink Crest Station in London, right
you know that's that's a station where they transfer about
thirty three million people.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
A year, so I.

Speaker 10 (01:52:27):
Think a lot of people will relate to that.

Speaker 24 (01:52:30):
Again, one of these albums that there's quite a lot
of pace to it, and I think that's the visual
approach they've taken to things, but I kind of like it.
It drives you in this forward sort of thing. And
also looking at Romance that there's darkness with the light
and there's set.

Speaker 14 (01:52:47):
And he likes that, like that's how he writes.

Speaker 24 (01:52:49):
He'll write a pretty song, but there'll be some dark
sort of lyrics and behind it, and so too for
the love. And then one of the lines in the
song Romance, which I think you're going to play a
bit of, is maybe romance is a place, not just
a feeling.

Speaker 12 (01:53:04):
Maybe it's a place that you take yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
Yeah, ok, thank you for you.

Speaker 5 (01:53:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:53:09):
The more I listen, I think, the more I pick
out what I really enjoy. To me, there's some real
standouts and it is starburst modern world in Romance, those
are my favorite singles. Again, I've been listening to it
for like twelve hours NonStop, so maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:53:24):
That'll take out. We will listen to Romance in a
couple of minutes. And given that's the name of the album.
So what did you What did you give it?

Speaker 24 (01:53:30):
Well, if a good listen, I think I'm going to
give it an eight out of ten.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
Oh okay, great, Yeah, I'm really enjoying it. Yeah, yeah,
it grows on you. Nice okay Romance by Fontaine's DC
for Dublin City, of course, not District of Columbia or
anything else I hate out of ten on the Estelle
cliff at Scale, thank you. We will next week. That's
a stale cliff at our music reviewer. Yet we will
have a bit of a listen to romance in a
couple of minutes. It's eight minutes to twelve on News
talks 'EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
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'b not for the first Saturday morning in my life.
This morning has absolutely raced by, so thank you very
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Tae Piney's going to take you through the afternoon Jason

(01:54:23):
Pine that is with Weekend Sport. Thanks to my producer
Libby for doing all of the difficult stuff and keeping
us on air throughout the morning. We're going to leave
you this morning with new music from Fontaine's DC. The
new album is called Romance and this is the song
by the same name. I will see you next Saturday morning.

Speaker 6 (01:55:06):
Pa saims the pan God knows I love scribs on
my House, I will.

Speaker 23 (01:55:19):
Be besides Still God Bad, Deep in the Night art
and five that maybe Michael's nurses died.

Speaker 6 (01:55:46):
I prayed for your.

Speaker 17 (01:55:48):
Kindess hide on space. And maybe robis sis a place? Yes,
Maybe robots.

Speaker 6 (01:56:03):
Sis a place?

Speaker 4 (01:56:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:56:08):
Maybe Ramba says the place fuh.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
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