Full Show Podcast: 25 January 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
More in a caw to New Zealand. Good morning, Welcome
to our first show together of January, our first show
together for twenty twenty five. Naw, I'm here to Toho.
That means happy New Year. I hope wherever you are
this morning, you have had a wonderful summer. I cannot
tell you how excited I am to be back together

(01:04):
for another year. I've had a wonderful summer myself, been
all over the country, plenty of time relaxing, plenty of
time socializing, a little bit of time on the couch
with COVID. But never mind that. It has been a
wonderful start to the year. But like I say, I
am delighted to be back with you for what is
a pretty big show. It has to be seire. I
don't know what it is about the summer, but I
reckon the stone fruit. This year has maybe been as

(01:27):
good as I can remember it in New Zealand. I
don't know what it is. The cherries have been on point,
the apricots, the nectarines, all of them fantastic. And the
plums are heavy right now, well at least at our place,
the crop is heavy, and we have a delicious recent
peap be four ten o'clock. If you've got plums at
your place and Italian plum ricotta tart to share with you.

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It's one of those desserts for people who say that
they don't really have a sweet tooth, but they actually
kind of do, so you know, they're like, yeah, I
can kind of take a leave dessert. Trust me, the
Italian plumb ricott of tart is going to be for you.
As well as that, we're going to talk about Cameron
Diaz's first film in ten years, Why has she been
away from the silver screen. We'll tell you all about
that new movie very shortly. Right now though. It's eight

(02:09):
minutes past nine, Jack Team, And as I turned on
my phone for the first time in three days, it
lit up with text messages from my wife. There was
a photo a tiny baby trussed up in a cotton
wrap like a fresh, fleshy burrito, with a little woolen hat.
For good measure congratulations. Her message said, you're a dad.

(02:34):
I knew she was joking. I'm not denying there was
an element of risk in deciding to go tramping through
the back country of the Kahudangi National Park while my
wife was at home thirty two weeks pregnant. I knew
there was a bit of risk in that decision. But
I also knew that if she had had the baby

(02:57):
while I was dragging myself up a distant ridge top,
her first words to me when I emerged from the
bush would not have been congrat aragulations. It's funny. I
reckon solitude in the bush. You know, the uncontactableness I reckon.

(03:19):
I reckon It's a big part of the attraction of
tramping for me. I love the physical challenge of tramping.
I love the birds, the peewacka waka flitting about when
you're under the canopy, the care ah rack rack squawking
over the valleys. I love how I love how you know,
kind of humbling it is, how how insignificant you feel

(03:42):
when you stand on top of a mountain ridge and
you're kind of confronted by your your relative puniness. But
maybe above all, I just I love that feeling when
you can see nor hear no sign of human beings,
no sign of civilization anywhere. Realistically, that solitude is probably

(04:06):
about to take a massive hit. When I was in
the Kahudangi, it struck me that it is only a
matter of time, a couple of months, a couple of
years at most, before satellite, internet and communications technology mean
we will all have internet and cell phone reception all
the time. It won't matter if you're in downtown Auckland

(04:28):
or halfway down the traverse from mule Tide Peak to
the Undertoki Fork's Hut. If you want comms, you will
have comms that endless stream of notifications z buzzing in
your pocket. I'm not going to deny that. You know,
there are some obvious upsides to being contactable all the time,

(04:49):
especially in my family, where there's a history, thankfully not mine,
of people going missing in the bush. You know, in
emergency situations, it's just going to be so valuable to
know that you can always get a call out. And
for trampers who want whether forecast updates or you know,
people and rural parts of the country with connectivity holes,

(05:09):
it's going to be a game changer, no doubt. But
with all that is gained with increased connectivity, I just
regon that that humbling sense of solitude is lost. It's
going to be that much harder to escape the world,
even for a couple of days. You know what I mean?

(05:31):
And you know I just hope that in years to come,
when our child is actually born and is maybe old
enough to go tramping, a voluntary code of conduct of
sorts will have become the norm for trampers when they
head into the New Zealand Bush. Yes, fill out the
intentions book. Yes, tell someone where you're going. But for

(05:52):
goodness sake, unless it's an emergency, please put your phone
on aeroplane mode. Jack Team ninety two. Ninety two is
the text number if you want to send us a
message this morning. Don't forget that standard text costs apply.
You can email me as well. If you like Jacket
News talks, he'db dot co dot enz. We have a
Stonking feature interview for you after ten o'clock this morning.

(06:13):
David Gray is going to be with us. He's just
released his latest album, Dear Life. He's one of those
like incredibly introspective and thoughtful songwriters and He's interesting because
he always talks about writing lyrics or prioritizing lyrics over melodies.
Usually with songwriters, they think about melodies before they think
about lyrics. And it's not necessarily that he doesn't think

(06:35):
about melodies. It's that he just puts so much time, effort,
energy and thought into the words in his songs. So
he's going to be with us after ten this morning
as he begins his world tour. Really looking forward to that.
Kevin Milns here next. Right now, it's thirteen minutes past nine.
I'm Jack Tam. I'm delighted to be back with you
for another year on news Talks, he'd be, And right

(06:56):
now it's time for a break.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
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Speaker 1 (07:01):
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Speaker 2 (07:08):
Simple, says Nick. Leave your phone at home, take a raincoat,
knee purb and a flair Flair Nick, where are you going?
Jack says ed bugger having reception in the back country.
I just want to be able to make phone calls
on State Highway one on the South Island. I think
that is pretty reasonable. I think that's pretty reasonable, Phil
says Jack. If you don't want connectivity simple to your

(07:29):
mobile phone off for a bit, it's not necessarily me
that I'm worried about. For the thing is that you
need everyone to agree to it, right. You don't want
to come across other trampers who who are getting notifications
as well. You all want to kind of sign up
to a voluntary code of conduct or something. But thank
you for that. Ninety two. Ninety two is our number
if you want to send me a message. This morning,
Kevin Milne is with uske out of Kevin. Happy New Year.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Happy New Year to you, Jack. I'm just thinking about
you solituding on the boards. Yeah, assuming the one thing
you didn't tell us was that you chop it out
for the anti nagal jet clubs.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
I you'll be pleased to know I did make the
anti natal classes before the before the tramp. It was
carefully considered and I and I made sure, I mean,
as much as one can. I asked my wife to
sort of assess her own state before we headed into
the bush, so I was cautiously optimistic that she wouldn't
slip into labor in a couple of days. That I
had disappeared, but nonetheless I was relieved to get out

(08:25):
and get back to her. Wouldn't have been a good look,
and I can it was the only reason I knew
she was joking. I knew that her first words to
me if I'd missed the birth of our child would
not be congratulations. Anyway, You've had a good summer, Kevin, Yes.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
It was a very busy time. I had a very
very busy Christmas and New Year, and when that was
all over, I really felt like getting to the bushman itself. Yeah. Yeah,
it's funny, isn't it that you have what we call
the Christmas holidays, but they are actually sometimes busier and

(09:01):
even more stressful than the work week.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
You always need a holiday after holiod, there's no doubt
about it. Yeah, especially around Christmas. Like you say, you
can be exhausted. This is why I reckon. One of
the compulsory things for the summer holidays are afternoon naps.
I'm a big fan of afternoon naps in the summer holidays.
For me, it's almost the biggest luxury of the holidays.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Anyway, Hey, you want to put an end to something
that mcs do at fancy social functions.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
Kevin.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, yeah, this may seem a small thing, but I
think it's something we should get rid of. Why is
it often and glamorous circumstances, you know, surroundings ahead of
sumptuous dinners and stunning entertainment. Why is it that mcs
kick off the show with the dullest line in public

(09:52):
speaking personally, ladies and gentlemen, a few household matters, at
which point the audience, who all consider they've been at
least half a brain, are told how to find the
laboratories and where to go if there's an earthquake. It's
a total atmosphere wrecker. Household matters may, of course, not

(10:12):
be the MC's idea. Event organizers often insist m says
kick off the show in this tedious way. You'd sear
it was a legal requirement, but it isn't. If I'm
asked as an MC to go through the household matters routine,
I put up a fight. Here's why. On the way in,
guests will likely have noticed doors with a sign that

(10:35):
says toilet. Toilet signs are there to tell you that
on the other side of the door are toilets. If
you have a dodgy tummy or a dicky postay, you'll
make a mental note where they are. Even if you
don't spot the toilet signs on the way in. You've
already spent decades on this planet. You know how to

(10:56):
sniff out a bathroom, and if your instincts let you
down on that occasion, you can simply ask someone where
are the toilets? No need for housekeeping announcements. When the
MT comes out, the audience has wound up for the
big occasion. They can't wait for the first joke or

(11:16):
permission to eat or the first performance. The last thing
they're after are directions to the laboratories. So my plead
to event organizes. If you have housekeeping matters to share,
stick a sign up somewhere, but do yourselves a favor.
Don't kill the atmosphere by starting the whole show or

(11:37):
indeed funeral explaining where the dunnies are. We're not stupid.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'm with you. I'm one hundred percent with you on this. Kevin,
as someone who gets asked to do these things from
time to time as well, I think we can draw
a distinction, though, can we, so we can say you
don't need to talk about the bogs because everyone can
work that out, and if they can't work it out,
hopefully they'll last someone. But when it comes to the
emergency information, that's probably reasonable, right, obviously depending on the circumstance,

(12:05):
but I use think is probably reasonable.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
I think given that if there's an earthquake, what we're
all sold is to drop and hold on to something.
I think anything beyond that's unnecessary. Telling us where we
all should at that point where we should all gather. Yeah,
it's going to be forgotten if there is a lad.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
My one is when it's when there's something unusual as well.
So for example, I don't know if you've ever hosted
anything at Parliament in the Parliament precinct. I've hosted a
couple of things there over the years, and it's one
of these places where they actually have a protocol for
emergencies where you've got to talk to the Parliament Security
first because they need to be able to guide the
emergency services through with all of the security and that

(12:47):
kind of thing. So it is a bit unusual, you say.
So usually you say, if there is an emergency, don't
call one one one. Actually talk to Parliament Security first
and they'll call one one one. Yeah, but you're you're
generally right. There's not a lot of space sometimes in
this world for just like a bit of common sense.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
No, there isn't. I'll give you one exception somehow another
before it all start, the audience needs to switch off
their phones, and so I do accept, But I don't
think to tell people that you don't have to create
a household matter segment. Yeah, to get that point across.
I think a really good MC can do it with

(13:25):
them about the first fifteen seconds that they've been on stage. Yeah,
they can pull out their phone, turn it off in
front of everybody and say please do the sun do
the same, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah. No, I'm with you. I'm with you, Kevin. I
think I think a great.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Miss everybody here, ladies and gentlemen. A few households, I think.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
And you never say housekeeping. No one ever uses that
word housekeeping or household matters unless you unless you're in
that environment.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
That's right, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, thank Kevin, Well said, thank you. Great to have
you back for twenty twenty five. So thank you very much, Kevin,
and yeah, look forward to catching up again. So now
kirsty'slipping a note say Jack regarding cell phone reception. I
took my phone into the able Tasma National Park and
needed to check him with work. At one stage I
was standing on a chair and a breakfast bench with
my arm up trying to get reception. I was greeted
by two trampers who were walking through the area and

(14:15):
they said, ah, you must be from Auckland. Forty five
minutes later, though, I was able to text for help
as one of them had broken their leg. I had
to get their rescue helicopter in on the way. There
you go, thanks, Kirsty. I think this is the thing.
I think we all agree that connectivity in times of
emergency is absolutely vital Kirsty. But wouldn't have been nice
if you were able to also avoid work? I don't

(14:38):
know anyway. Ninety two is the text number if you
want to get in touch. We're going to catch up
with Andrew savil Our Sporto in a couple of minutes
get his thoughts on the Aussie Open finalists, plus Chris
Wood signing a new contract sticking with the English Premier
League for another couple of years as the All Whites
looked to qualify for a Football World cup.

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Speaker 4 (16:21):
Hi Jack, Welcome back.

Speaker 6 (16:22):
Happy New Year.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yes, Happy New Year. It's it's been a well, it's
been a pretty good summer of sports so far. But
I'll tell you what. There are a couple of a
couple of individual Kiwi performances or sporting stories that are
kind of we're unfolding at the moment, Liam Lawson and
Chris Wood that have really taken my attention. Chris Wood
this week confirming he has signed with Nottingham Forest through

(16:46):
to twenty twenty seven. I tell you what you know.
I know there's always debate over the individual Hallberg's and
it's going to be it's going to be a hotly
you know, a hotly contested one for the individual top
Halberg this year. But what he has achieved in the
English Premier League and what he has achieved this season
is extraordinary.

Speaker 7 (17:06):
It is.

Speaker 8 (17:08):
Not only because he's doing it in the best league
in the world and the richest league in the world,
one of them, but he's doing it after being seen
many as being a Premier League journeyman for so many years.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (17:22):
I saw a graphic the other day that had I
think it was the worst January transfer window eleven, the
worst January transferred team of the last five or ten years.
And what was in there when he transferred to Newcastle
a few years ago. So for a lot of people
he was seen right up until recently as just a
Premier League battler that was in an out of teams,

(17:44):
loan to different teams he transferred. But now to be
a superstar in the Premier League, scoring goals pretty much
every game every week, playing in a team that has
been fancied by no one and currently I think the
third on the table. Yeah, it is quite it is
quite remarkable, and surely he would go close to winning

(18:09):
an award like the Hall wergs. Yes, it's it's a
team game. But what would has done given the rest
of his career and his history I think is staggerant.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Well, the thing about football is that everyone wants to
be wants to be a professional striker. There are how
many two billion people who played football around the world. Like,
it's not this isn't some off Broadway sport. It is
just a crazy. So there was a this great this
piece by Michael Burgess in The Herald the other day
that they had this great line in it because I've
been following Chris Wood for a while and you know

(18:40):
it just total admiration for his achievements. But there was
this line that even surprised me. He said, no Brazilian
has scored more Premier League goals than Chris Wood. Neither
has a German, neither has an Italian. Only one Spanish
player has scored more goals in the English Premier League
than Chris Wood from Hamilton. That is amazing, amazing, It
really is amazing.

Speaker 8 (19:01):
And I think overall on history he's scored more. He
has scored more goals than David Beckham and players yeah
right in the Premier League.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 8 (19:11):
And the fact that he signed a new deal. This
may well be his last deal if it's not good
on him. I think he's on about four or five
mill at least a season, So you're looking at about
one hundred grand kiwi at least a week, if not
one fifty, which you know, if you look at the
professional sporting money aspect, that's that's outstanding money. Look at

(19:35):
Steven Adams in the NBA and that for a key
we to make it into the NBA for so many years.
The margins or percentages of that happening are infantisimal from
New Zealander. As you say, football number one sport in
the world. Teams don't lack options around the world or
in their clubs when it comes to picking and paying players.

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Would to make it as a striker in the Premier
League and be amongst the top halfsand or top few
strikers this season alone and for some other seasons as well,
the percentage charts of that happening is even more infantisimal.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
So it is it is remarkable.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Across the ditch the finalist suit of the Australian Open
a set women's final tonight of course men's final tomorrow.
No Novak though.

Speaker 8 (20:19):
No, it was quite sad to see him bow out yesterday.
He hasn't helped himself in Australia obviously, Novak Djokovic from
COVID business and other bits and pieces, and he was
booed off. I don't think he deserved that, no, but
he he has a bit of a love hate relationship
with the offers. It was a classy act for Zverev
the German to get on the microphone afterwards and tell

(20:41):
people to shut up. Respect Novak Djokovic given what he's
done for the game and given what he's achieved for
the game, and he does often play through injury, so
I thought that was a nice touch. So Yannick Sinner
against Alexander's Varie not the most exciting final you're probably
going to see in your life. And with a I
would imagine it's going to be a grind, could be
a five setter, could be long long. Sinner's had problems

(21:04):
with the heat, so area will be fresher, so we'll
see how that goes. And looking forward to the women's tonight,
Saberlenka odds on hot favorite. But Madison Keys this this
battling American in her late twenties. Now, she's never won
a Grand Slam. She's always been around the top ten,
top twenty for the last decord a decade or so.
She was out here a few weeks ago. Jack and

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she made an interesting point that the first decade of
her career, she was always up. She'd make it so
far in spam tournaments, but then she'd get crushed by
the Williams Sisters or Shari Potover or was Niyaki or closer.
She doesn't have to face those sorts of players anymore.
So this is her one prime chance, could be her
one and only charts of winning a Grand Slam tournament

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on the on the men's side. As quickly as very
he was a leading junior, he came into the senior
ranks as the next big thing, and he still hasn't
won a Grand Slam tournament. I think he's won around
one hundred million dollars of earnings. He's still five in
the history of tennis, but still has one that a

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Grand Sweam. So you can imagine tomorrow night he'll be
will and truly motivate.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, that's amazing. Eh, Yeah, Hey, thank you, looking forward
to that, Sir Andrew savil Our Sporto there before ten o'clock,
we've got that Italian plum rocoffer tart recipe, which I'm
very much looking forward to. I just is the stone
for better this year. I don't know, we'd probably say
that every year, but oh my gosh, it's just been
it's been absolutely ridiculous at our place, how much fruit

(22:32):
we've got through over the last month or so. And
the plums are perfect, especially if you want to dessert
this kind of classy but not too sweet. This is
the recipe for you, so we'll sear that very shortly.
Next up, your movie picks for this week, including Cameron
Diaz's return to the silver screen. She hasn't been in
a movie in ten years, but now she is back.
So is it any good.

Speaker 9 (23:08):
News?

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Storks end Meet you with Jack Taying this Saturday, and
Morning spells with me A note morning Jack, Glad you
enjoyed your tramp over summer. It is a hard activity
to beat up in a tramper and hunter all my life,
as you mentioned, the birds and just enjoying the quiet
of an environment with no traffic, no people, no civilization. Ah,
it's so special. I've been an outdoors person from the
age of fourteen. I'm seventy five. Just hung up my

(23:29):
hunting boots, but I'll still get out there for a
walk and You'll never be disappointed doing the same. Thanks Phil. Yeah,
I just it is. There's something there's something I dare
I say, almost spiritual or something about just being out
in an environment and not singing or hearing people. It's
not that I don't like being in cities. It's not

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that I don't like socializing and being connected from time
to time, but just once in a while, it reminds
one of one's own insignificance in the cosmos, doesn't it anyway?
Thanks for ninety two ninety two. If you want to
send us a message. Francesca Rudkin is here with our
film picks for this week. Killed are good morning, Hey,
thank you very much for holding the Ford over over

(24:12):
the last couple of weeks and doing all the tough stuff.
It's some nice year always. I hope you've had a
bit of a bit of a summer in between.

Speaker 10 (24:19):
Nice to have you back. I have been loving summer.
But I'm going to take off tomorrow afternoon for a week,
which would be very.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Good, very good. Okay, We've got a couple of well,
rather different films for us this morning. Cameron DS is
back for her first film, her comeback film with first
in a decade, alongside Jamie Fox. Let's have a listen
to back in action.

Speaker 11 (24:37):
What is going on? Like Jason Boy?

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, but we remember stuff, can you?

Speaker 10 (24:49):
You guys were lying about something but another though you
recall I mean, that's not why We're cool.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Okay, that's Cameron d Is So she's back.

Speaker 10 (25:04):
Yeah, it's been a liven year break. That's her first
sort of throw back into acting. This was also the
film as well that Jamie Fox who Coaster, had his
stroke on, so it was a bit of a difficult production,
but they got through it in the end. Look, a
lot of people might have gone back to work. It
might the year might be a little bit daunting. You
might be thinking, oh my gosh, here we go again,

(25:26):
back into routine, and you just need some really mindless
fun escapism at the end of the week. And this
film very much ticks that box.

Speaker 12 (25:37):
It's on Netflix.

Speaker 10 (25:39):
We watched it at a busy week and my partner
laughed a little bit too much. I thought, Jack, oh, okay,
I was like to do it's really not that funny,
but just kind of clearly need something really yeah fun
and Celey to watch and I was just like, it
was quite funny watching him. It is wonderfully unbelievable. The
story about these two spies. They fall in love.

Speaker 12 (25:59):
This is you know, Cameron and Jamie.

Speaker 10 (26:02):
She gets pregnant, they decided to leave the business and
they go dark and they end up in there, and
they've got these two kids and that don't really like them.
They're teenagers, and they are suddenly dragged back into the
old business and they just happen to take the kids
with them, So all of a sudden, the kids think
they're quite cool because they discover that their parents are spies.

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Not for all the terrible, fake looking stunts and action,
this is actually a bit of a family comedy. The
funniest lines and things are between Jamie Fox and Kimer
and Dia is when they're pretending to be normal parents
when clearly they're not. It's quite a good gag and
it does present some very funny lines, and the two
of them are awesome together, Like the chemistry between them
is really really good. It's very very easy to watch

(26:43):
this film. But yeah, no, just good night entertainment from
Seth Gordon. He's the director of films like Horrible Bosses
and they watch film and things like that.

Speaker 12 (26:53):
So yeah, light and easy and breezy jack.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
It sounds good, sounds like a bit of fun, which
is perfectly reasonable at this time of year. So that's
back in action. That's on Netflix, and next film is
showing in cinemas at the moment. So let's have a
listen to We Live in Time. I'm so sorry each.

Speaker 9 (27:14):
Other yet no.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
I run you over.

Speaker 13 (27:21):
Dry Sorry.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Okay, that's Florence Few and Andrew Garfield starring together.

Speaker 12 (27:28):
Yeah, so this is We Live in Time. This is
on at the cinemas, and this is quite different. This
is a beautiful, a very.

Speaker 10 (27:33):
Emotional, heartbreaking, warm film. It's a romantic drama. Florence Pew
and Andrew Garfield. Once again, probably the chemistry between them
is what makes this film work. It's just lovely watching
these two fall in love. You kind of heard how
they met just in the trailer there. But they're very relatable,
likable characters, but also quite unique like they have you know,

(27:59):
it's not like you're just being presented with sort of
a cookie cut or of a character. But the film
is about more than just love. Is about becoming a parent.
Is it about dealing with what life throws at you.
It is about living with a terminal illness, It is
about grief. And the film is told in a nonlinear structure,
so we're constantly moving back and forward in time, so

(28:19):
where throughout the film learning more about these characters and
who they are.

Speaker 12 (28:25):
As the story progresses.

Speaker 10 (28:27):
Which I think was quite a good idea because if
you sort of strip it back, the story is quite generic.
It's quite a predictable tedu because that just makes it
a little bit more interesting.

Speaker 12 (28:36):
But at the end of the day, it's all about
the performances.

Speaker 10 (28:38):
They are excellent, and through them, I believe we get
very genuine observations of what it is like to be
diagnosed with cancer, the thoughts, the decisions, the conversations that
you have to have with your loved ones around you.
And I suppose, in a way, just a little bit
of a warning there if this is something that you
have been through, it maybe a little bit triggering, take

(28:59):
some tissues. There is no way that you cannot fall
in love with these two and go on this rollercoaster
ride with them.

Speaker 12 (29:07):
It short produces a few tears.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, okay, so that's we live in time showing in
cinemas at the moment. Hey, were you into Severance a
TV show?

Speaker 12 (29:17):
Do you know?

Speaker 14 (29:17):
I haven't done.

Speaker 12 (29:18):
That's one I have not done. But I've heard a
lot of people talk about the second season.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Now I might give it a whirl.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, see, I haven't done it either. I've been debating
it because it has had a lot of hype, a
lot of bars. It sounds a little bit different as well,
which kind of attracts me. But we're going to talk
about that after ten o'clock this morning in our screen
time segments. So I wondered if you if you've gone there,
because it does sound like an interesting concept at the
very least. But thank you so much, Francisca. You enjoy
your week off, you're well earned week off, and we
will catch you again very soon. Francisca's films once again,

(29:46):
Back in Action is showing on Netflix. That's the one
with Cameron Diaz and Jamie Fox. We live in Time
as the Tearjerker in that showing at the movies at
the moment. And like I say, after ten o'clock this morning,
we've got three shows to recommend to you in our
screen time segments. So if you're just feeling like vegging
out at home, maybe you're in Tasman where those heavy
rain warnings are coming through. Three shows for you, including Severance.

(30:07):
Right now at sixteen to ten, you were Jactaime on
News talks Edby.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
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Speaker 2 (30:20):
So I reckon the peaches have been par which is
to say they're delicious, but I reckon about parik when
they're delicious most year. Same with the nectarines. I reckon
the cherries this year, there's something about the cherries. I
don't know what it was about the cherries this year.
The cherries have been above par. They've been extraordinary this year.
We're getting through about a kilogram every three days at
our place, which has not been cheap. But never mind.

(30:41):
There is just something about the stone fruit at this
time of year. And I know that our cook, Nikki
Wicks will have some thoughts on this. That makes this
time of year and your fruit intake over summer that
much higher than usual.

Speaker 15 (30:52):
More dinner, morenner Jack, And you are so right about
all of that. And the cherries have been and you've
just made me realize you could use cherries in this
recipe instead of the plant. I do either, because I
agree that cherries have all I mean. I'm going to
do a wild exaggeration here the size of plugs.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I was so embarrassed because the other day do you
follow Tom Sainsbury on Instagram? Yeah, so I do too,
And I swear that my wife and I had been
doing this thing, being like, I'm just going to have
one more cheery. I'm just gonna have one more cheery,
We're saying at home, and then you have a whole
bowl more in and then you do it again, you
go and replenish the bowl and you have another and anyway,
we've been doing this and then she handed me her

(31:33):
phone and it was Tom Sainsby on Instagram putting on
a character and one one of his characters, and the
character was saying, I'm just gonna have one more cheery.
I'm just gonna have one more, just one more, and
I was like, oh god, I often.

Speaker 15 (31:46):
Think Tom Sainsbury actually is filming me at home. Yes, yeah, yes,
I know. I'm like, oh no, that is me.

Speaker 9 (31:53):
Hey.

Speaker 15 (31:54):
It's funny because in New Zealand we focus on cherries
around Christmas and that's all very well, but I'm going
to say the ones that we get really after Christmas,
particularly in January, I totally agree tho they're later and
they tend to come from Central Otago. So Hawk's Bay
nothing against Hawks Bay of course, but all of their

(32:14):
stone fruits starts fruiting before Central Otago. Well maybe it's
just that those ones later in the season seem extra especially,
but I bought two kilos yesterday for fourteen dollars and
they are just beautiful. And so if you want to
stone them for this recipe, if you haven't got plums,
all you do I get a chopstick that I'm you know,

(32:35):
one of those takeout chopsticks, and you put that and
you just push the pip out with that.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Ah, that's smart, and you just get.

Speaker 15 (32:41):
Not the purpose stone, so you'll just push them out
and it's fine. I better get onto this rest of
Italian plum or cherry ricottitart. It's amazing. You make a
mixture which is going to be our base in our topping,
and here's how you do it. And a food process.
You just blitz up one and a half cups of flour.
You'd probably use gluten free flour. If you're gonna use
gluten free, go one and a quarter cups one hundred grams,

(33:04):
which is at a cup of ground almonds, two big
heaped tablespoons of raw sugar, and then one teaspoon of
baking powder and blitz all that up together just so
that it's mixed, and then add in the butter seventy
five grams of butter and process until you've got some
fine crumbs, and then at the end just blitz in
an egg. So you kind of have these coarse crumbs, Jack,

(33:26):
and that is gonna. They should hold together when you
pinch them together. And so what do you want to
do is you want to take just a little bit
more than half of that mixture and you want to
press it into a ceramic pie dish. I used one
that was about I think it was about twenty three
twenty four centimeters across. Oven bangs on at one hundred
and eighty degrees. So you press that into the bottom

(33:48):
and the sides of it, and that is our lovely base,
and then you can just chill that while you're doing
the filling. The filling is four hundred grams of ricotta,
two tablespoons of sugar, and seventy five mills of sweet
dessert wine if you've got it. You could probably use
orange juice or something like that. I'm Italian recipee, so
they've used beautiful dessert wine, zest of a lemon, and

(34:11):
you want to kind of mix all of that together.
I like it so that you've still got some quite
big clumps of ricotta in there. Pour that mixture into
the chilled crust, and then on top, puts slice about
six to eight plums and all your cherries. I mean
you might need to use maybe a cup of pitted cherries.
Sounds about right to me. Put that all over there.

(34:32):
I used yellow plums. Black doris would be amazing. I'm
sitting on a beautiful bucket of black doris that someone's
dropped me off, So those are good too. Cool with
the rest of the crumb mixture, and then just bake
it off for about forty to forty five minutes, Jack
call it. Serve it room temperature, A chill, big doll
of a beautiful whipped cream. It's amazing. It's very delicate,

(34:53):
it's not too sweet, and it's just absolutely beautiful. I mean,
Italians do such gorgeous cakes and tarts and things that
I think you'll love this. And yeah, the cherries, I'm
actually gonna try it with the cherries. I've forgotten about that.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, So just just going through the rear, I mean
you've got only what four tablespoons of sugar and that
and the whole thing. Obviously you've got the fruit as well,
so that that has its own sweetness. But there's actually
yeah it's not too sweet. You've got the or you've
got the dessert mine as well. Yeah, it's a little.

Speaker 15 (35:22):
Lying on the you're relying on the fruit to give
it the sweetness. And you know, we've kind of followed
that American if you like a model in the UK
model too of sweet sweet cakes. Yeah, you know, like
you you've got to remember that almonds have a sweetness
to them. If you have a raw almond, it's quite sweet.
So yeah, you don't. You don't need a whole bunch
of sugar in your baking. So there you go.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
You especially. Yeah, and when you're offsetting the yeah, the
ricarda and the armis, so you have that kind of
fat content as well. Yeah, really good, it's really good.

Speaker 15 (35:57):
I also want to encourage our beautiful listeners though as well.
I just made a huge batch of I Love Tomato
or I Love Casundi.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Which is an yeah, like a relish.

Speaker 15 (36:06):
I did it yesterday. Yeah, I did it two days
ago with plums.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Oh nice, Doris.

Speaker 15 (36:12):
I just put the same amount of black Doris plums
as I would have tomatoes, and it's beautiful, slightly more liquidy,
but not really. It's this deep dark purple and it's
really yummy.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (36:22):
So if people want to just search up my micro
sundi recipe, and yes it does have four tablespoons of
chili in it. You can pare that back if you want,
but there's a ton of sugar in the to offset it,
so you don't need to see you. It's kind of
to rest me idea.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, I'm into it, and I'm glad that you're finding
I mean, you always need a way to preserve the
plums a little bit because there is such an abundance
stone for it at this time of you.

Speaker 15 (36:42):
I just love them.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, yeah, fantastic. Thanks Ockey, have a great weekend, and
we will talk to you again this time next week.
Nicky worked to our cook there, and of course we'll
make sure that her recipe is available online. Newstorg zb
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Speaker 2 (37:10):
Your messages this hour. It is so good to be
back and so good to be hearing for you. Carol
has flipped your note to say Jack and Georgia opening
piece on tramping. As you say, the Kahudangi National Park
has to be one of the most beautiful, unspoiled parts
of this beautiful country. I just hope that when people
are able to use their cell phones in the bush,
they don't do that really annoying thing where people play

(37:32):
music in public. I'm so sick of hearing speakers at
the beach or on short walks. Yeah, totally totally agree
with you on that. I feel, Carol, like people who
like tramping are drawn to it for the same kind
of reasons, like for solitude and that kind of thing.
So I reckon they're probably less likely to be using
the Yui boom whilst going on a three day backcountry trek.

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well after ten o'clock. Really looking forward to this. We're
going to catch up with UK singer songwriter David Gray.
He has enjoyed amazing success over the last couple of decades.

(38:16):
It's poor more than two decades since his breakthrough album
was first released. We will talk about that, talk about
his songwriting process, why lyrics are so important to him.
He's really a kind of modern day poet, so yeah,
it'd be great to have a catch up with him
as well as that. We've got your screen time picks
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(38:38):
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Speaker 2 (39:18):
You're you know It is remarkable. So twenty five years ago,
David Gray was renowned for just how famous he wasn't

(39:42):
He had a bit of a cult following at the time.
He had listeners who were hooked on his sincerity on
his plane spokenness, but he hadn't quite broken into the
mainstream with his music, and then came his career defining,
career making album, White Ladder. It was recorded at his
home and it went on to become one of the
best selling albums of this century so far. David's l

(40:06):
using's success has led to the release of his thirteenth album,
Deer Life. If you were listening this time last week
on News Talks, he'd be you'd know that Estella Music
reviewer gave it a glowing review and David has just
launched it. Now he's headed out on the road and
he joins us this morning. David Gray Kelder, Good morning
and welcome to the show.

Speaker 17 (40:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
You're just about to begin your tours, so you're in
Boston at the moment, gearing up for a wee while
on the road.

Speaker 17 (40:34):
Yeah, it's going to be down the rapid style touring
for the next few months. I think we've got fifty
shows between now and the beginning of May, so it's
going to be for a bunch of old farts like us.
It's going to be a bit of a challenge, but
we're up, We're ready.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Fifty shows is no small total or achievement. How do
you approach a kind of workload.

Speaker 17 (40:56):
Like that, Yeah, first of all, by just trying to
condition myself, so by playing a lot and practicing a
lot ahead of the actual rehearsals so that I'm in
good condition vocally, because it's going to be very demanding
when you step on the stage. It's very different than
when you rehearse. When I rehearse, I give it everything,

(41:19):
but when I go on the stage, I give it
everything plus a bit more. So it takes a lot
out of your voice. The voice is the most vulnerable
part of the whole equation. So that's the part that
I wish I could put it in a flight case
and ship it from show to show, but it doesn't
work that way. I'm going to talk to all these
lunatics that I hang around with the whole time, so

(41:39):
it's constantly being used. So yes, it puts a lot
of stress on the voice, which is just a beam
of energy. And obviously this is an exhaustion cycle. We're
just going to be traveling every night and getting up
in a different place, sound checking, gig travel, so and
there'll be lots of adrenaline thrown in and a few
glasses of Champagne, I dare say, and god knows what else,

(42:01):
So it'll be all the bells and whistles. It's going
to be amazing. I think it's the most sort of
compact and intense period of touring I've done for quite
a while. So yeah, and that's just the way it's
worked this time. But we're all crazy for it with
the tickets have gone so well, that's what really sort

(42:22):
of sets up your anticipation.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Well, I can speak on behalf of our audience and
confirm that people are just delighted to have you back
and delighted with your life. So can you talk to
us a little bit about the process behind this album,
because five years right from go to WO, if you
include the mastering, this was quite a process, and over
a particularly tumultuous time in the world.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (42:47):
I think I did put out Scaling during Lockdown in
twenty one, so it's a few years since that record,
But obviously I had all the obligations of the touring
that was frozen by the COVID pandemic that I had
to then pick up after two and twenty three had

(43:07):
quite a few touring commitments, so it's slowed the making
of this record down, which had begun just before COVID.
But I think perhaps the songwriting process was enriched by
what happened in so much as I mean, I'm getting older,
so mortality is a kind of theme anyway. It always

(43:28):
is with me really ever since my dad died. I
think I saw something. I was up close and watched
him die, and that changes your perspective on things, just
like watching one of your children being born. It's a
privilege to be there. And obviously when you see the
sort of parentheses that hold our fragile little lives, you

(43:50):
reassess everything. And I think you know, in our Western culture,
death is not an acknowledged part of things, and in fact,
everyone's straining every sinew and pumping every lip with something
to make them look younger, so they're all trying to
sort of shrug off the aging process. But COVID slowed
us down. It took the constellation of constant activity, and

(44:14):
it took the horizon away. We were just in a
moment that was very elongated. And also we're just studying
death graphs all the time, so it was a sort
of again, it was a terrible time in so many ways,
with so many people, but it was a huge blessing
in other ways if you were lucky enough not to
lose anyone or have to go through the torment of

(44:37):
knowing someone was suffering and you couldn't be there. But
this all I ambiently fed in, I think to probably
my natural inclinations. My life has been a bit turbulent
for a while, with various big relationships and changes that
have gone kind of by the by, as it were,

(45:00):
and so perhaps there was more grist to the mill
as well. But I don't know why. Certain albums come
out with a greater sense of themselves, a greater sense
of purpose. I'm always making things. It's often quite interior
or slightly oblique, but these songs are very, very direct,
and the what I say about them is they were

(45:21):
born standing up. They're sort of they were ready to go,
and they're very melodic, and they're straight to camera that
they're not cutting any strange angles away, they're not hiding themselves.
They're very and that's not to say that they don't
play games. Within that that that fixed gaze. There's a
lot of humor, there's a lot of delicacy, I think

(45:43):
in but it was just such a pleasure to write.
I mean, first and foremost, I'm a lyric writer. That's
my obsession, and like Frank Sinatra said, for me, the
music props up the lyrics. So you know, if there's
been a trend in my writing since I started, it's
probably been to simplify. But with this record, the lying,
the rhyming schemes just became more elaborate, the language was

(46:07):
more ornate, and just the beautiful magic of words, the
substance of words. It's a music in itself, and it
lent such a joyous energy to the process of making
That doesn't belie what the emotion is underneath some of
the songs, but the pleasure of the rhyming scheme helps

(46:30):
to sort of create the Trojan Horse effect where it
almost like hypnotizes you as the per performer and as
the listener, and first of all, your dark, your ears,
and your mind are moving with the rhythm and the words,
and then the meaning comes along afterwards. So it's sort
of that sort of my take on the whole thing.

(46:52):
It has a kind of electronic y kind of aspect
to this album, which was going to be there from
the beginning. So when we started in twenty nineteen, I
bought these little drum machines and I was jamming in
sort of real time the drum machines while my producer
was sort of messing with the sounds, and I said,
this is the way I want to go. I want
it to be like a sort of hybrid form, a

(47:14):
bit like White Ladder in that it's me sort of
being very free lyrically and expressive with my guitar over
the top of something that's very rooted and stuck in
this thing, but with these crazy distorted sounds. So songs
like Acceptance and more than anything, these were the first
ones that came out. But yeah, the song burst, the

(47:35):
star burst of songwriting that happened at the very end
of COVID was when most of the songs were written.
And as I say, that process seemed to have been
enriched by a period of not doing it. I let
the field go fallow, and it took a bit of
courage to stop because my gut reaction to the lockdown
was I'm going to go down into my studio and

(47:56):
make an album on my own. Lots of creatives. I
made this stupid era really of thinking I just sort
of service as formal, but it ultimately the pressure of
the weirdness of the situation told upon me, and I thought,
why am I down here getting stressed about what I'm doing,
like trying to press record and run in and put

(48:17):
my guitar on and play upstairs? My family is sitting there,
I've been saying for the last twenty years, I was
going to spend some time with them.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, it seems like this is.

Speaker 17 (48:26):
An opportunity to address the elephant in the room. I
love you, guys. I kind of came back. It was
like a row. It wasn't quite rocky, but I came
up the stairs with a tower on my neck and
said that, okay, guys, I'm back, and they just all
completely ignored me and carried on watching TV.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
You listen to news talks. I'm and joined the great
pleasure of speaking with David Gray about his latest album
via Life. You see and You've seen before that you
see yourself as a lyricist first, Is there a literal
part of the process. Do you write lyrics before you
write music?

Speaker 17 (49:01):
No, And I think when I started, I sort of
wrote songs when the mood took me, and it was
always a chord sequence which I would respond to melodically
and then try and fit a lyric to the melody.
And that's sort of what my process was as I've
gone on, and you know, the sort of the threat
of writer's block, which is really when you disentangle it,

(49:26):
a fear of failure. I used all kinds of means
to get around my self doubt, and one of them
was to work backwards into music from lyrics, which I've
done occasionally in my career, but only very rarely. So
it's become a real asset because what it does is
it disables temporarily disables my sense of taste, melodic taste.

(49:50):
And I don't really know whether what I'm doing is
of any interest whatsoever. All I know is I'm doing
it like a child in a sandpit. I'm sort of
making things. So now I kind of any which way
really to create a song, and I don't have my
go to is still to do what I've always done.
The other thing that's changed is that I don't have
the luxury of just making music when I feel like it.

(50:11):
I have to turn up and do it as a job,
and that means you have some crap days, lots of
okay days, and then the odd day when all the
turning up pays off and a song comes out the
sky and you know the odd thing, it feels like
it's been in a gestation phase. Real song. When it happens,

(50:34):
when it really happens, I mean when what people call inspiration,
but when that what is temples subjectivity a total the
barrier that's normally there between making and not making disappears
and suddenly it's all just graspable. For a moment, it
all goes that, the fences come down. You can grab
anything from anywhere. It's like well, you know, looting. It's

(50:57):
like sort of creative looting. You know, there's no police.
You can grab anything in the department store, so like
images of stuff and dredge up from anywhere. And suddenly
it's just so as you have this incredible subjectivity and
this unbridled sort of space that you're suddenly in. You
know it's happening because at the same time, a sort

(51:17):
of drone goes up in your mind and you have
this sort of overview of what you're doing. You make
very good editorial decisions. So anyway, this is what people
call inspiration. But it doesn't just happen all the time.
You have to make it happen if you like. And
it's still a very religious experience. And I'm a sort

(51:40):
of a staunch non believer, and yet I pledge my
life to something as intangible as music, so I must
have a faith of some kind. So that's what happens.
So those are the ways that's changed. Songwriting has changed
for me. Essentially, it's the same process, and I'm still

(52:00):
barking up the same tree. Essentially. My lyrics are always
picking away at the same thing.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
You mentioned you're a staunch non believer. I wondered how
being confronted with unavoidable mortality through this process had maybe
had affected the way you kind of think about things
like that. It maybe had affected any sense of spirituality
you may have thought didn't exist.

Speaker 17 (52:29):
I think you can be spiritual. I guess I would.
I would say that we're born with a religious instinct.
I don't think of religion as something that we created
or that was given to us by Jesus or some
other prophet that came from somewhere God. Apparently I see
that we were born with a sense of awe and

(52:51):
a sense of mystery, and how could we not be
because we're born into this improbable situation. So what poetry
touches on the garment of this mystery. It's very real
and very live in all of us, maybe less in
some than others. I'm thinking of you prominent prominent world
politicians and businessmen as I say that, but I refuse

(53:12):
to mention them by name. So yeah, it's it's something
that's there. So I have a very strong leaning towards
I guess what faith is, which is that life is
a sort of well spring of energy to me on
a sort of an atomic level. Maybe I've just been
lucky and life's been kind to me. It certainly has,

(53:33):
you know. It's it's just so it renews me the world,
the natural world in particular, but the world of music too.
That this making with my friends, this communal relationship that
we have in being the flesh of the music and
then sharing that. I mean, this is alls sounding like

(53:54):
a religious language, but that's what takes takes place. It's
a it's a it's a hard thing to put your
finger on. So I don't need organized religion. I see
that as being some thing that's associated with the creation
of communities, larger communities, the urban. Suddenly it was very
important to have a set of morals and to start

(54:17):
simplifying God, because otherwise it was just a mess. And
I think it's really like urban planning. That's what I
sort of see religion as a sort of a spiritual level.
So you know, I've got all those instincts, I just
can't find a way into the organized stuff. I'm a pagan.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Well, like you say that, the distinction between spirituality and
religiosity is also an important one, and perhaps leaning into
the intangible there has helped you create the work you create,
which you know is as a great beautiful to us.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
All.

Speaker 17 (54:50):
Yeah, this is this is very heavy conversation Saturday morning.
So first I'm going to apologize to your listeners. The
radio isn't like this all the time.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
They know, they know how shallow I am. Don't worry, Hey,
I know we've got to we have to do our
best to protect your voice. So one final question, and
not wanting to add to your to your already impressive
touring Chgule, but I know that there are no antipathy
and dates yet, could we expect preps a trip down

(55:22):
Under some time soon.

Speaker 17 (55:25):
And there'd be anticipation in the antipodes.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
You see.

Speaker 17 (55:29):
I can't help it. The alliteration was there. We're looking
at it all, so we're trying to work it out.
I got to balance my life like a little bit.
I'm not very good at saying no, so if the
world is saying yes, I'm not very good at saying no.
But my wife's got other ideas, so I'm not going
to blame her. But we're looking at that later in

(55:52):
the year. It's not a definite thing yet and it's
not completely taken shape, so it may happen. I thought
that's the best I can say. Well, if it doesn't happen,
it won't be too long before it does. I can
guarantee you that.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
Well.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
That is so good to hear. David. Thank you, Thank
you so much for your time. It is such a
pleasure to speak with you. David's album Dear Life is
out now, available in good music stores of course, and
on your usual streaming services, and we will have all
the details at Newstalks dB dot co dot nz. Right now,
it is twenty four minutes past ten on News Talks
EDB this Saturday morning. We have a chocolate box show

(56:29):
for you, So before eleven o'clock we're going to be
in the garden. Rude has been pontificating over nico Palms
around the country and the slight differences you see in
Nico's around alter or Next up, though, if you're looking
for something good to watch at home this weekend, you're
looking forward to a few hours on the couch and
fancy a bit a binge watching three shows to recommend

(56:50):
in our screen time segment twenty five past ten on
newstalk ZEDB, start.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Your weekend off in style. Saturday mornings with Jack dam
and bpewre dot co dot z for high quality Supplements
US Talks.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
EDB Jack David Gray sounds like his lyrics are showing
him how to write, as if they're written way before
he even thought of them. He's one artist I would
listen to out in the silence of nature. Love him,
says Lee. Thanks Lee, ninety two to ninety two if
you want to send us a message this morning twenty
eight past ten, which means it's screen time time with
Tara Award our screen time experts. She's got three shows

(57:25):
for us this weekend. Hey, Tara, A new season of
Severance is out. This is the second season. It's on
Apple TV Plus. So tell us about Severance.

Speaker 18 (57:36):
Yeah, I know a lot of people have been looking
forward to this series. It's been three years since the
first season dropped, and Seference is one of those shows
that everyone who watches it and sticks with it because
it is a little unusual says that it's one of
the best shows they have ever seen. This is a
psychological thriller and it's in that sort of same dystopian,
uneasy vein as Black Mirror, and it's about a man

(57:59):
named Mark who's played by Adam Scott, and his workplace
colleagues who have all voluntarily undergone a meta call procedure
that separates their work selves from their home selves. So
when Mark is at work, he loses all his memories
about his life at home and vice versa. So he
has these two personalities and it's playing with that idea

(58:20):
of having that perfect work life balance. But when a
new employee starts at this mega corporation who is quite rebellious,
Mark starts to question things and his two separate lives
start to crossover in ways that they shouldn't.

Speaker 19 (58:36):
I mean, as it sounds.

Speaker 18 (58:37):
It is a very unusual show, but it's surprising and
it's clever, and it's one of those shows that you
won't always know where you are with it, but it's
done so beautifully and intelligently that it just pulls you in.
It really leans into that mundaneeness of office life. And
it's got this amazing cast Adam Scott, Patricia Arquette, Christopher Walken.

(58:58):
It's directed by Ben Stiller. Everything about it is quality,
and it's a show that has a little bit of
everything in it, comedy, mystery, dystopia. There's probably nothing else
like it on television at the moment in terms of
originality and creativity.

Speaker 19 (59:14):
So if you want to.

Speaker 18 (59:15):
Watch something that's a little bit thought provoking and it's
going to get, you know, the brain ticking over, I'd really.

Speaker 17 (59:20):
Recommend this one.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Fantastic Okay, that's Severance, that's on Apple TV Plus on Netflix.
The Night Agent.

Speaker 18 (59:28):
Yeah, this is a second season of this great American
political thriller.

Speaker 19 (59:33):
And there's a key we link to the show.

Speaker 18 (59:35):
This stars Luciani the Buchanan, who has been in shows
like The Broken Wood Mysteries and Filthy Rich, but who
has now reached international stardom with a starring role in
one of Netflix's biggest shows.

Speaker 19 (59:47):
So this is a conspiracy thriller.

Speaker 18 (59:49):
It's about a low level FBI agent who works at
night in the basement of the White House and it's
his job to answer a phone that never rings until
one night he gets a call. It's from a woman
who's played by Luciani Buchanan who needs his help and
he gets pulled into this conspiracy that takes.

Speaker 9 (01:00:07):
Him right back to the White House.

Speaker 18 (01:00:10):
And if you like The Born Ultimatum, if you like Reacher,
if you like a fast paced thriller that's easy to watch,
I think you'll love this. It feels a bit like
a spy thriller from the nineties, and I don't mean
that in a bad way.

Speaker 19 (01:00:23):
But it's it kind of sticks to a tried and
true recipe. You've got villains and your heroes. There's action
and espionage and suspense.

Speaker 18 (01:00:31):
It does the basics really really well, and you know,
at times it gets a bit selling, a bit ridiculous,
but you don't mind those moments because it is such
a fun watch. And you know, like any good Netflix show,
very vengeable, some black cliffhangers to pull you into that episode.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Mind okay.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
So that's The Night Agent back for a second season
on Netflix and on Neon. Tell Us about Karen Pirii.

Speaker 19 (01:00:54):
Yeah, this is one for crime drama fans.

Speaker 18 (01:00:57):
This is a new Scottish murder mystery on Neon. It's
set in beautiful Saint Andrew's and it's based on a
book by criter Velmit Dear, And it's about a young
female detect called Karen Perry, who is investigating a cold
case from the nineteen nineties involving a murdered bar mate.

Speaker 19 (01:01:14):
The case originally went.

Speaker 18 (01:01:15):
Unsolved, but there's a new podcast that has read nighted
public interest and Karen is told to find the answers
and shut things down. She finds the three men who
were the original suspects, but what she also discovers is
a whole lot of flaws and mistakes in the original inquiry.
And the show juts back and forward between nineteen ninety

(01:01:36):
five and the current time, so.

Speaker 19 (01:01:38):
The two investigations into the same.

Speaker 18 (01:01:40):
Case play out beside each other, which I really liked
and what I also really liked about this For once
at a crime drama, the main detective isn't one of
those sort of really troubled, terrible people, who is bringing
a lot of emotional baggage to the job. She's just
a very smart woman and again a bit like The
Night Agent. It's not trying to be anything else other
than a solid, very watchable TV drama.

Speaker 19 (01:02:03):
It feels very current. It's got this beautiful setting.

Speaker 18 (01:02:06):
Lauren Lyle who was an Outlander, she plays Karen and
she's great in this. She won a Scottish Faster for
this role. So you know, if you love a crime
drama or a mystery, or if you're a fan of
a really good British drama, I think this is a
great weekend watch superb.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Okay, that's Karen Perry. That's on Neon, The Night Agents
on Netflix, and Severance is on Apple tv Plus. But
don't worry if you're not scribbling that down or typing
it into your phone. We're going to have all of
those shows up on the News Talks 'DB website so
you can find out more about them. Then, thank you
so much, Tara, Catching again soon right now, it is
twenty seven to eleven non Newstalks, ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team
on News Talks edb.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Jag Me. I cannot believe this song's more than twenty
years old now, ah, this is Franz Ferdinand. This song,
of course is take Me Out, released in two thousand
and four. Well, this month the Scottish band has released
their sixth studio album. It's the first with their new drummer,

(01:03:24):
Audrey Tait, after the previous drummer Paul Thompson left the
band in twenty twenty one. And our music review Estelle
Clip it's going to be reviewing that after eleven o'clock
this morning, so we will make sure we save a
little bit of time and you can have a listen
to Franz Ferdinand's new music coming up very shortly before
eleven o'clock. We are in the garden. We've got your
wine pick for this new week and next week and

(01:03:46):
next up. Our texpert is here with big news from
Open Ai, the company behind chat GPT has an incredible
new tool, so I'll tell you what it can do next.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking.

Speaker 20 (01:04:02):
Breakfast mining, the Prime Minister mentioned that in his address
Shane Jones as the results.

Speaker 16 (01:04:06):
As Minister, we have an inordinately large dock of state.
Much of that dock estate is suitable for acquiring and mining,
and we need to get over ourselves because if we
want the surplus income, we should identify which areas are
really precious to the birth right of Kiwis and which
areas can be used for economic purposes.

Speaker 20 (01:04:24):
So you're talking about opening up stewardship land, which is
nine percent of our land area, to mining as well
as dockland.

Speaker 16 (01:04:30):
Dockland is already used in some cases, stewardship land can
be made available not only for mining but for other
economic purposes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Ryan Bridge on the my casking Breakfast's Back Monday from
six am with the range Rover Villa on news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Ed B twenty two eleven on news talks EDB. Open
Ai has just released a new tool. This is the company,
of course behind chat GPT and this tool can go
one step further. Our textbit Paul Steenhouse is here with
the details. God of Paul. What can it do?

Speaker 13 (01:04:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
Yeah, I feel that we're getting one step closer to Rosy,
the robot from the Jetsons.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Although I guess this.

Speaker 11 (01:05:07):
Thing can't move around. Maybe that's the next step it'll take.

Speaker 7 (01:05:10):
Because this is Rosy the robot effectively for your computer
and your digital version of that assistant. But yeah, it's
called Operator Jack. And basically it's going to be able
to start doing things for you on the Internet. So
let's imagine you want to book a flight. You can
simply type in and this is the cool part. You

(01:05:30):
just use natural language. You say, I want to book
a flight to Hawaii, and I want to do three nights,
and I don't want it to be rainy season, and
I want to do this, this, and this activity.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
It will then just.

Speaker 7 (01:05:41):
Go away and start browsing the Internet just like you
or I would, And it uses screenshots. They call it
computer vision, but really it's screenshots of the web page.
It analyzes those, figures out what fields it needs to
fill in, figures out what buttons it needs to click
with its virtual mouse, and what to type with its
virtual keyboard, and actually just starts doing things for you.

(01:06:03):
So what's really interesting about this, though, is we have
kind of like assistance and things, and they can do
things for us, but typically they all need to be
pre programmed, right because they need to use what we
call in the digital world APIs effectively structured data messages
that different services send each other and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
We will be able to be able to do things.

Speaker 7 (01:06:24):
This is interesting though, because it actually just like a human.
It basically looks at the screen, figures it out. It
doesn't need any pre programming, and it can just start
doing things. So if a new restaurant popped up, it
could theoretically go to its website and make a booking
for you without ever having seen that website before.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
And so it's a big step forward.

Speaker 7 (01:06:42):
Because we're actually going to start getting towards some assistance
that are smart and might actually be able to do
some things for us.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Yeah, so I mean how the price tag? Oh yeah,
go on?

Speaker 7 (01:06:54):
Okay, So it's part of the chat GPT's pro plan,
which is just two hundred dollars two hundred US dollars
a month. They do say that they're going to start
rolling it out to the other plans. Do you know
Sam Oltman, CEO of chair of open Ai, he said
that he chose that price and he thought they'd make
money off that price.

Speaker 9 (01:07:13):
It turns out they're not making any money off that price.

Speaker 7 (01:07:16):
Because people are using it so heavily. This chet GPT
pro feature, that's it's making a loss. Oh really the
next one's probably going to be Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
So it's not that they've priced people out of the market,
it's just that it's actually being used so much and
it's using so much computing power that they're Yeah. So
my question though, is like, honestly, how usable is this?
Like how much stuff do you really need to be
done by?

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
How many times are you booking a flight to Hawaii
and needing that kind of research done? You know what
I mean. It's kind of like with with voice assistance
and Siri and stuff, it's like, well, how often do
you really need a time a set? How often do
you really need to know the temperature? You know?

Speaker 7 (01:07:55):
Well, this one's different because it can do basically anything.
Right now, it still is in its research beta phase,
so they're going to say there will be hiccups, but
we're well on our way to it being able to
craft a Facebook post for you y or browsing Facebook
and telling you what might be interesting, or you know,
you could probably even send it if you were gaming
your bank details and tell it to pay pay your

(01:08:18):
bills and do things like. That's where it's headed, right,
Like you could actually say pay my contact energy bill
and it could go away and start to figure out how.

Speaker 10 (01:08:25):
To do that.

Speaker 7 (01:08:26):
So we're not there yet, but that's what they wanted
to be able to do.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah, Oh it sounds amazing. Okay, thank you so much. Paul,
sounds amazing if expensive. Paul Stenhouse our texpert there before
eleven o'clock the secret of Nico Palms and the little
differences in Nico palms around the country. We're in the
garden with Rude. Next up, we've got your best buy
for this week from our master of Wine right now
at sixteen to eleven, a.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Little bit of way to kick off your weekend. Then
with Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Saturday Mornings with Jack, Tay and Bepewart on code dot
NZ for high quality supplements used Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Said b fourteen to eleven on u S Talk s
d b our Master of Wine, Bob Campbell has chosen
a Balvoni prosecco from Marlborough for thirty four fifty nine
as his best buy for us this week, and he's
with us this morning, Count of Bob Cura. Jack, So,
why did you choose the Why did you choose the Balvoni?

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
Well, prosecco is a really interesting grape variety. It's an
Italian sparkling wine produced in nine provinces in the northeast
of Italy. It's made from the prosecco grape, which was
renamed Glea g l Era in two thousand and nine

(01:09:38):
by the Italians really to stop the rest of the
world from using the sensationally successful brand Prosecco. Glera's also
grown in other countries, including New Zealand and Australia. New
Zealand producers of which I only know of one at
the moment, which is the Balvoni Prosecco, certainly the only

(01:10:00):
one in Marlborough. They agreed to stop using the term
prosecco in four years time and then it'll become glarer.
So I thought, why not have There's an opportune time
to have a prosecco party, and you can serve Italian

(01:10:21):
at any Italian prosecco with an Australian prosecco. I recommend
Brown Brothers and of course the Balvoni Prosecco from God's own.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a really sort of summary wine, isn't it. Proscco?
What does it taste like?

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
Well, really attractive, sort of creamy sparkling wine. With an appealing,
mellow sort of freshness and restrained moose. That's the bubble.
It doesn't It's not as bubbly as Champagne, but I
think it's all the better for it. It's less it's
less serious. It has an initial sort of I got

(01:11:00):
us like a marmite type yeastiness, but that faded quickly
and a nice mouth cleansing sceense station in its place.
It could easily be mistaken for an Italian prosecco. I'm
I'm convinced of that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
And it's to a thirty four dollars. It's not cheap,
but you reckon, it's really good and very much worth
the price. So we can you pick it up?

Speaker 5 (01:11:19):
Bob Well, You'll have to go direct to the Belvoni
for that. They are a wine maker, grape grower and Marlborough.
And just check out the Balvoni website which I just
haven't committed to memory.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
I think it's Belvony dot in z b a l
v o n ie dot in Zi, but we'll make
sure we put that on the news talks. He'd be
website as well so people can find it there. Yeah,
what would you mention with, Bob Well?

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
It's a versatile when I think it would go with
most seafood, but it doesn't need the complication of food.
I think you can just just really enjoy it for
its own pleasures.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah, and like you say, maybe as part of a
prosecco party perhaps, Hey, thank you so much, Bob. So
he's chosen a Balvoni procco from Marlborough as his best
buy for this week. Like I say, all of the
details on the news talks, he'd be website eleven to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Well gardening with summer at Steel Shaft where it's fall
about the accessories.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
You know. I started the show this morning by talking
about the little bit of time I had tramping through
the Khudangi National Park over summer, a part of the
country I absolutely love. If you're not familiar with it,
it's the kind of northwest corner of the South Island,
so the top left corner of the South Island. It
stretches from Golden Bay, where my family lives these days,
down onto the west coast around Kadamere on the west coast.

(01:12:40):
That's where the heavy track goes to. So if you're
driving up the west coast of the South Island, that's
about as far as you can go before you got
to go back back down and back in land a
little bit. Anyway, turns out I'm not the only one
who is drawn to the kind of landscapes and the
kind of flora and fauna you see in that part
of the world because Rude climb Power San Man in
the Garden has also been on the South Island's west

(01:13:00):
coast and he's been taken by some of the flora there.
Kelter Rude exactly, Jack.

Speaker 9 (01:13:06):
It's so good to do that, Isn't it such a
great place.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
It is wonderful that part of the country. And one
of the things I love about the Cahoudangi National Park
of the Nico Groves where that whether bush meets the
ocean or meets the coast and you get those incredible
groves of Nico trees.

Speaker 9 (01:13:22):
Yeah, that's right. Well, the Nico, as you know, it's
one of our palm species that occurs. That species only
lives in zions. It's endemic, if you like, and we've
got two of them. But the one you probably will
have seen is that one that is kind of tightly
that the leaves are going tightly up into the sky.
Sort of like a V shape.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (01:13:42):
Yeah, that's that's ro Roppolo steel is sappy. That's the
name of Nico Farm, you know, that's what it is about.
And this is an interesting little plant because I've kind
of missed it since I left Auckland. Yeah, and there
it was, like you said, in there thousands on the
hills and it and it just totally grabbed me again.

(01:14:02):
So I look at that, and then I talked. I
went to the Chatham Islands and places like that. I
saw a nicu pound that had leaves that were bending
down more if you like the tropical look, you know, yeah, right, yeah, right,
And it's the same blinking species. Ah okay, And I

(01:14:24):
don't believe botan is now. I think they're lying because
they haven't really done their I think it's a different species,
you know what I mean, right anyway, yeah, yeah, anyway,
So these things, these decos, they of course they flower
in now spring and summer. And I saw those flowers
come out and I think they will probably be on

(01:14:44):
the website, I bet you. And they are absolutely gorgeous
in color. It's just amazing. Yeah, and here comes to
thee and now we're getting the seeds from last year
out as well. And guess what blinking carried everywhere, taking
these ripe seeds out and putting them all out. And
that's their geek of course. Yeah, then it's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Exactly they spread them around, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:15:10):
And that's I should do that too, So I am
doing that now. But anyway, the idea is to to
actually if you if you want to, you can actually
grow them here on the porthills. We know because I've
been doing it now for a little while, but not
with as much very veref if you like, as I
do right now. And then I thought, why don't I

(01:15:31):
get that other species that lives in the Kermedek Islands
in Raoul Island, And it's got a Bowery name. It's
a different name, so that's a different species, And gosh,
I could find it in in garden shops and in
places that actually sell those things. Yeah, and then and
then I realized you can actually grow those at home
if you've got a nik on nearby. There are wonderful

(01:15:53):
ideas on the website for everybody on how to get
those seeds to germinate very gently and how to grow
those plants. Oh wow, I thought, wouldn't that be nice
in my guiden And then I thought, how long as
they're going to take?

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Because they take forever. A Nico take forever to grow, right.

Speaker 9 (01:16:12):
It takes forty years for a Nico bound to start
a trunk.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
But this is why it's so important to plan them. Now,
what's what's the old edge? When was the best time
to plant a tree yesterday?

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
When?

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
When when is the next best time? Right now?

Speaker 21 (01:16:28):
Whatever?

Speaker 15 (01:16:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:16:29):
Yeah, yeah, but this is the point you all say, ah,
that takes too long. So I bought a bigger plans
from one of the things of a Jakes and it's
still is like three of these little rings that you
see around the back of is in one year. So
it takes absolutely incredibly long. But you got right, two
or three rings a year do the mets. It's slow,

(01:16:52):
but honestly you're leaving a legacy that is so New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Yeah, I totally agree. I think that's what it is
about the Nico. You really feel like you're part of
the South Pacific when you see it grow Nico. Yeah,
I think great to have you mexit, have a new year,
and you look forward to chatting again very soon after
eleven o'clock on news Talks EDB, We're going to take
you to Tasman Bay with our travel correspondent and some

(01:17:17):
really really useful practical advice from our sustainability expert for
the kids as they prepare to go back to school.
You know, it can be a time of year where
there's all sorts of pressure to buy all sorts of
things when the kids are preparing for school. You don't
have to. That's the good news. It's almost eleven o'clock though.
Use us next. I'm Jack Tame and Saturday Morning, and
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Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
I think it's because of my surname that I even
that I envy Evan Smoke. When you've got a surname
like Tame, Evan Smoke just has an allure that I
can only dream of, maybe if I was Jack Wilde
instead of Jack Tayne. I don't know Evan Smoke anyway.

(01:18:38):
Even Smoke is the protagonist of Greg Hurwitz's amazing Orphan
X books. I don't know if you've read in Orphan
xbooks before, but there's a whole series of them and
he's a bit of a kind of lone wolf Opperetta
out to seek vengeance for an unjust world. And we're
going to tell you about the latest offering from Evan Smoke,

(01:19:00):
Orphan X and Greg Hewitz before Midday to Day. As
well as that, we've got new music from fans Ferdinand,
so I'm going to make we save a little bit
of time. They've just released a brand new album. This
album is a little bit different compared to a couple
of their previous offerings, so we'll play a couple of
different songs from that very shortly. Right now, it is
eight minutes past eleven and our sustainability commentator Kate Hall

(01:19:22):
is back for the new year. Calder Kate, Hey Jack,
how's yeah very good? Thank you? Yeah, really good. A
little bit of outdoor time, but of socializing, a little
bit of time on couch, on the couch with covid
as well, but such as life. Yeah, I know the.

Speaker 14 (01:19:36):
On the couch. I was on the couch too, but
with Billy pregnancy's sickness of benge watching one family, so
I feel you Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Well, as long as you can binge watch something you know,
you can make the most of that time. Yeah yeah,
yeah yeah, So you're probably a bit like us then
haven't had the wildest summer that you might have had otherwise. Anyway, hey,
this morning, you have for us some really practical tips
on getting ready to go back to school in a
sustainable way, because it's one of those times that there's

(01:20:06):
all sorts of demands for various bits and pieces that
you know, for the kids, and you want to be
as sustainable as possible. So maybe you should start us
off with some of the things you can do at
home to be a bit more sustainable getting ready for
school totally.

Speaker 14 (01:20:19):
So one thing I love about Sentinel back to school
tips is they're also financially sustainable because, like just between
uniforms and all the new things they get, given us
a big list about stuff that they need to buy
and bring to school, it can be really overwhelming. So
my first tip is to start at home, literally by

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shopping in your own home for things you already have.
So until you've done an actual stock take of you know,
things you've got left over from other kids, or ask
your friends have have school leavers. Until you've done a
proper stock take of what actually already exists in your home,
don't go out to the shops or buy anything. So yeah,

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look around. I do things like I actually even have
some school exercise books that I use just writing and
drawing and writing down notes. That are my old books
from school. Because it's still paper, it's still useful. You
can just take out the paper.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
You still you're old, I mean, I know you're young,
but you have your school school books.

Speaker 14 (01:21:22):
Yeah, yeah, I have a few.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Yeah, well that's really it's pretty good at Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:21:27):
Yeah, there are three of us kids, and so yeah, no,
there's they're really good at saving. I mean it's paper, right,
even if the book's half feed, you can still yeah,
use it up. So yeah, shop around what you do have,
ask other people. Just be really conscious about using what
already exists. And if you do need to buy things,

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I mean, obviously there's always pencils, books or different things
that the school does require, shop at second hand stores.
So there's so much stationary at second hand stores. I
think often it's something we don't think about buying sick
and hands. There's even specific stationary kind of stores we
can find great high quality, brand new stuff. All Heart

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Stores is well in christ Church, Auckland, Kokoe, Wellington and
that's all kind of office supplies that have been redirected
from corporates. You don't need it or use it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Hey, I've never heard of this. What's it called? Yeah,
All Heart Store, All Heart Store yep.

Speaker 14 (01:22:26):
You can even get you know, office chairs, yeah, like
desks anything. It's really you know, every time you go
in there's all different stuff, but even your paper pens
things like that, just because often officers have access and
then sers sending it to landfill, they're send it to Yeah,
I've never.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Heard of this. What a good idea, what a good
points of stuff?

Speaker 14 (01:22:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's a good one. Obviously.
If you're thinking about reducing your plastic this year, you
can do that a two different ways. Plastic adhesive covers,
I know that, you know, they can be something you
feel like you have to get, but I can pay
you lived often without them, and you can do some

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cool DIY like fabric covers things like that. Again working
within the constraints of the school, right because I do
know there's regulations and there's kind of muftas that every
different school you know, talks about so yeah, sometimes we
can't do it all, but we can try to do
what we can, and that's kind of the school stationary stuff.
But there's also lunch boxes and food. I think there's

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another big area we can focus on. Places like ben
To Ninja have stainless steel, really really good, high quality
lunchboxes that will see your kids through.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Yeah, so that's like a box, like a Japanese into box.

Speaker 14 (01:23:47):
Right, yes, yeah, yeah, that's where the kind of name
and the kind of main products come from. But they
have all sorts of stuff like, yeah, everything you kind
of need for that to school lunches and investing in
that so literally your child can use that same box
at university one day potentially. That is a really really

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good idea. And just thinking about what can I do
this year that you can just help improve the well
being of my child but also can reduce petrol things
like Okay, maybe on Tuesday mornings, we're going to book
to school. Or I have a new friend down the
road and their kid goes to the same school, so

(01:24:28):
I might be a bit brave and just ask them
if we could couple and share that responsibility. So think
about these things now, I know school's going back very
very soon, but planning those things so you can set
yourself up for a good year.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Yeah, it's like getting the routine sorted early. Like it's
a kind of cliche obviously you're seting new habits in
the new year, but it is a really good opportunity
because because the school day and getting the kids to
and from school and getting them feed and getting them
with all their various stationary stuff, because that relies on routine,
it's actually just a great opportunity to try and see

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a couple of new good habits around.

Speaker 14 (01:25:05):
Sustainable exactly, especially while you have potentially, hopefully if you've
had a relaxing summer, a little bit more kind of
energy to do that. You know, it's it's summerw you know,
has a bit more time and space to wrap your
head around change because I know, I mean, just getting
kids after school is a big thing. So I know
it's a big ass to think about sustainability and the

(01:25:27):
environment when it comes to that, but guarantee you're going
to save money and yeah, doing things like taking a
scooter taking a bike, you could will probably turn up
for school a whole lot happier as well. So all
these things kind of entertwined with a whole lot of
other benefits that I promise aren't just environmental.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Yeah, hey, can I can I ask you feeling a
little less queasy now?

Speaker 14 (01:25:47):
Okay, yes, a lot less queezy?

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
If you have any crazy, crazy cravings or anything.

Speaker 14 (01:25:55):
I am am obsessed with ice.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Okay, yeah, that's good. I mean there's there are differently
crazy or isn't like strawberry milkshakes and olives or something?

Speaker 14 (01:26:10):
No ice was everything is good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Ice is very good. If you're feeling abit nauseous as well,
this is very very good.

Speaker 14 (01:26:17):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's kind of where it came from.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
I'm peace to hear you feeling a bit better, and
thank you so much for those tips. We'll make sure
that we put the more at Newstalks, dB, dot co,
dot m Z, forward slash jack on our show's page,
and we will catch you soon.

Speaker 14 (01:26:29):
Thanks very good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
That is Kate Hall. You can find her on the
social media platforms, of course, by searching ethically. Kate and
a couple of minutes, our travel correspondent is here with
one of the most popular holiday destinations for kiwis at
this time of year, he's taking us all to free
roaming Tasman Bay at the top of the South sixteen
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Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
For now, Our travel correspondent Mike Yardley is with us
all this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:26:57):
Hey Mike, good morning, Jack. Very nice to talk and
I thought we would kick off with a power of
New Zealand you are intimately familiar with, and half of
the country's holidaying there at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Yes, that's true. Half the country is holidaying there at
the moment. I was fortunate enough to be holidaying there
with my family as well, which is always a pleasure.
We're talking about free roaming Tasman Bay, which is the
top of the South Island. So for anyone who's not
familiar with the geography here, if you divide the top
of the South into three parts, you've got Golden Bay
on the west side, You've got Tasman Bay in the middle,

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and then you've got the Marlboro Sounds on the right
hand side. That's the best way, or of the easterly side,
the way I think about it, Dame. So let's begin
in Moteweka, which is a sort of powerhouse of produce these.

Speaker 6 (01:27:42):
Days, as sure as Jack as a cat. That was funny.
I was feeling very nostalgic when I was there last week.
I remember when I was a child, the landscape was
just tobacco, that was the staple crop. And of course
today that landscape it's kind of like a library of
the Yates Garden Guide. You've got hots, you've got apple trees, vineyards,

(01:28:03):
the full spectrum of stone fruit that you obviously have
been eating your well generally, you've got berry's galore. You
can just eat yourself forever in the Motaweka area. And
then there's the ocean delights. I have never come across
this before, and I'm intrigued to know if you are
aware of this. In Motaweka, if you go down to

(01:28:26):
the port which is dominated by Telly's, because it's the
homebase of Telly's, the Tellie's Factory Shop, y oh my goodness.
They this justifies a holiday to Mataweka in its own right,
because if you go to the Telly's Factory Shop, you

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get the freshest blue cod from that job and you
cock it up in your motel. And I have to
say it would be the best tasting bluecot I have
devowed in a long time. And it's so much stupor
than what you would normally get it for.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Yeah, of course, Oh how amazing. That's a great that's
a great tip. Like you say, I mean, it's sort
of an embarrassment of riches when it comes to that. Yeah,
you know, like all of the different kind of farm
gate stalls and stuff just selling fresh berries and fresh produce. Yeah,
and there's.

Speaker 6 (01:29:19):
Still so many, there's so many honesty boxes store opercing.
That's part of New Zealand, which I just love. There
is an innocence to the place.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Yeah, No, you're totally right. Hey is Noel Edmonds river Haven?

Speaker 6 (01:29:29):
With a visit it's really interesting. That's quite a quirky enterprise,
gorgeous setting in the motterwork of valley village of Natti Malty.
But as I'm sure people are aware, the former UK
TV star has caught him quite a bit of controversy.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
In recent years.

Speaker 6 (01:29:44):
He seemed to get very much in cahoots with the
anti vax crowd during COVID and he bought the property
about five years ago, so it was previously known as
Dunbar Estates. Today his farm turns out river Haven Peno Greek,
really good wine. But there's the cafe, there's a restaurant
and the pub, all adjacent to the vineyard which you

(01:30:06):
can stroll through. He's got a massive classic car collection
which is on public display. He loves his old jags.
But I reckon the big charmer is the pub the
bugger in. It's like it's been teleported from a sleepy
English village and the word is ITV has done a
deal with NOL to do a reality TV show this

(01:30:26):
year from river Haven re Twarkton Farm. It's going to
be an old farm. No word jack on whether mister
Blobby gets a.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Looking Hey, how busy is?

Speaker 6 (01:30:43):
Oh my goodness. I was there last week. By midday
you could hardly see the sand on the main beach.
It was just this vast slab of flesh, a heaving
swarm of semi naked humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
And I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:30:57):
She consider that to be a relaxing holiday, called me
old patant. I mean, particularly if you're holidaying with kids,
you know, with all that traffic. Mean, I would just
be stressed out if I had young kids in Tie.
So if you can schedule some beach time for February.
It's the place to be because Kriteriator is the central
brilliance is all the more pleasurable after that peak summer

(01:31:21):
crush has cleared out. Yeah, it's tabled arc of golden sands.
Waking up to that and the first crack of daybreak
across Tesdam Bay. That is one of life's great pleasures.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Yeah, it is. It is like the landscapes there, the
Vesta is ogeous, like it just it feels like something.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Yeah, it's like it's like you're in the Caribbean or
something in a way, you know. Yeah, it's just it's
been honest. You know that it is the only place
in New Zealand. You know that, I like come diving
and snorkeling and you know, nothing in the water. It's
the only place in New Zealand where I have ever
seen a seahorse in the wild. Yeah, in Ky of

(01:31:58):
all places. Yeah, so there you go. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
It's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Like you say, though, you probably want a time you
run or if you're going to go over the Christmas
or news period, you want to book very very early. Indeed,
what about daunting to Marpua?

Speaker 6 (01:32:11):
I love Marpo and Obviously, over the years a lot
of people have seen that name is synonymous with the
birthday Suits brigade, but it's actually quite interesting that in
terms of the clothing optional set up, it only operates
at the local holiday park and it only operates between
February and March, so don't let nudity put you although

(01:32:33):
its beach wale season, let's face it. The other thing
which I thought was really cool is Marpua and Maldi
means abundance or prolific, which is so fitting when you
go down to Marpoo Wharf, which is just such a
leisure in pleasure zone and it's a really easy hopscotch
from the wharf across the Rabbit Island with that theory

(01:32:54):
that runs between the two.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Yeah, any standouts at the wharf for you?

Speaker 6 (01:32:58):
Oh, it's just buzzing Marpoo Wharf and it just seems
to grow from year to year in terms of its offerings.
Many great hospital spots. I love Golden Beer. It is
such a fabulous brew pub and man I was checking
up their roster of live gigs. Over the next four
or five weeks they had so many live gigs at

(01:33:20):
Golden Beer. I still love Hamish's ice Creams, which is
right across from Golden Beer. The real fruit concoctions are
just so good, just you know, tapping into all of
that locally grown beery bizo and the cues. I reckon
if you lined up Ferg Burger cues to Hamish's ice

(01:33:41):
Cream Queuess just might get the nod at this time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Of the year.

Speaker 6 (01:33:45):
Just the sear side. And if you're looking for a
bit of art, Jack, I would definitely suggest people check
out col Store Gallery. It's one of the Wharfs originals
and it's just a legendary destination for in the no art.
It's just amazing paintings, jewelry, sculptures. Yeah, col Star is
super cool.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Where is the Great Taste Trail take you to?

Speaker 6 (01:34:09):
It can take you so many places, the places you
will ride to. So it's two hundred kilometers long. It
is a whopper of a trail. It trially is one
of New Zealand's great rides. So over two thirds of
it is off road, but it can take you up
to Ka Territory, through the Motorweka Valley. It goes all
the way now to Nelson Richmond. But I want to

(01:34:30):
love about it it's sort of tastily arranged into bite
sized chunks. So I've done the Richmond to Marpooa section. Right,
that's a really easy twenty k ride, flat as a pancake,
pretty much around the water's edge. It does go through
rabbit islands as well, and then you just jump on
the fury across to Martha. The valley rides are really good, LIKESU.
If you want to add in a few vineyards like

(01:34:53):
Nudoff or Motory Hills Vineyard, take the rural routes and
it's just adding a bit of solitude to your ride
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Nice. And it even goes right outside the front door
of my and brother in law's place, so you might
see my nephews and niece's running around as well through
bright Water. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Don't be afraid to bang
on the door and demand some refreshments. Hey, thank you, Mike. Yeah,
like you say, it is a gorgeous part of the country,
one I absolutely love, and I know many of our

(01:35:23):
listeners do too. We'll put all of Mike's tips for
making your way through Tasman Bay up on the news
talks he'd be website, alongside everything from our show before midday.
That new music from Franz Ferdinand, a new album, new
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Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
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It's shot on Pahart that she went in shot. So yeah,
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right now. It's just gone eleven thirty on your Saturday morning.
You were Jack Tay and Jason Pine is behind the
mic this afternoon with Weekends Sport. Keld to Piney Calder Jack,
welcome back, thank you very much, sir. Yeah, it's I've
had a lovely little break. I hope you've had a
good summer. I know you're a busy man, though you
don't get quite as quite as luxurious a break as
I do at this time of year. I think that's right.
I think we know there's a certain pecking order to

(01:37:09):
There's nothing to do with the pecking order. It's just
that you know they can afford to live without some
of us for extended periods. Apparently, say yeah, hey, you
must be delighting in this new Chris Ward deal signing.
I mean I felt confident he was going to be
signing for another couple of years. I think Nottingham Forest
has been negotiating with him for a few months now,

(01:37:29):
but signing through to twenty twenty seven after what has
been so far the standout season of his professional football career.

Speaker 22 (01:37:38):
Absolutely, And the thing that's, you know, most interesting about
this is that this has happened over time. It's been
a slow burn for Chris Ward. You know, he's been
gone from New Zealand since he was seventeen. This deal
takes him through to just before his thirty seventh birthday,
so two decades plying his trade often in the lower
leagues in England. Yeah, he got into the Premier League

(01:37:59):
through Burnley and started to become a player, had an
unhappy time at Newcastle, But Nottingham Forest he's just turned
up there and has just gone through this renaissance and
look has lifted Nottingham Forest up to what top.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
Three in the table. They couldn't possibly have dreamed of that?

Speaker 22 (01:38:15):
Yeah, yeah, but but good on a reward this season
and then two more. I was sort of spitballing this
a bit yesterday, Jack, As I say, he'll be just
before his thirty seventh birthday when that contract runs out.
You wonder, don't you whether he might finish it where
it started back here in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Yeah, I mean that would be wonderful to see. It
was interesting. So apparently in his contract negotiations right there,
I think he had some interest from MLS Major League
Soccer and he's he's newly married, I think, isn't he?
You know he would so obviously there will be some
kind of family commitments. But my goodness, imagine if he
were to come back and play a couple of seasons

(01:38:53):
in the A League. It would just be so special,
wouldn't it. And you know, I feel like the football
you know, the football environment the left. You know when
he was seventeen in New Zealand has changed a lot
in the in the twenty years that he's been away,
and no small part because of his achievements.

Speaker 22 (01:39:10):
No, that's actually a really good point. He has been
a real trailblazer and a you know, a guy, a
role model, I guess you want to use the right phrase.
But and people might say, well, why would he come back, Well,
he always comes back for all white. It doesn't matter
if it's an intercontinental playoff or a game against Papua
New Guinea. You know he comes back for all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
I was at that. I was at the game they
played at Eden Park against the Australians last year or
the year it must have been two years ago now,
and you know he'd flown back that week and I
think he was injured in the first twenty minutes or so,
and so he came off obviously has to be pretty careful.
And I remember he just stood right in front of
me on the sideline signing autographs for about an hour,

(01:39:51):
like just for the whole game. He stood there, didn't
go off a halftime, just stayed there signing autograph for
all the kids like just and there's no you know,
there's no one contractually requiring him to do. It's just
a yeah, yeah, it's it's I think it's remarkable what
he's achieved. It's funny. I think back to you. I
think about back to the Football World Cup in South
Africa and you know, he there was what twenty ten,

(01:40:15):
and I remember he came on as a substitute in
one of those games and he must have only been
a teenager at the time, and he looked at goods then.
And to think of you think of how far he's
gone in the year since, you know, and to think
that he might have a crack at one more Football
World Cup of four things go well over the next
couple of months. I just yeah, it's a great story. Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:40:34):
And you often here said, you know, do we appreciate
him enough? I think we do. I think we're learning to.
It seems like every time you turn on turn on
a news bullet and on a Monday these days.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Yes, Chris Ward's scoring another goal. You know, I'll happily
talk about him. I'll happily talk about him for the
rest of today. My dad I was I was debating
it with my dad at a home a couple of
weeks ago, and you know, Dad said, oh, yeah, you know,
he's had a great season. My dad loves all. He's
had a great season, you know, but you know, it
doesn't take enough on his left foot. And two days
later he played in his Liverpool top of the table

(01:41:06):
and scored the only goal with his left foot one
first tarts and I was like, how Dad, is there
a well, yeah, yeah, he needs to do it more
wrong exactly. Be good to see a few more of those,
you know. It's just yeah, yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:41:19):
Anyway, Hey, I was on the show this afternoon. Well
I'm coming to you from christ Church today. O Phoenix
has got a game here a bit later on, and
christ Church Stadium is taking shape. I'm not sure the
last time you were down here, but tekaha it's fantastic.
Oh it's like a spaceship has landed in the middle
of christ Church. So I kind of want to track
some progress on that. The update i'm hearing and we'll

(01:41:39):
get the official one this afternoon is that it's still
on track for an April opening next year, April twenty
twenty six, So I want to chat a bit about that.
But one of one of christ Church's favorite sons, Richie
more Unga will not be home by then, by the sounds,
but not until the middle of next year, so I
want to unpack that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Hamis Kurtz on the show this afternoon.

Speaker 22 (01:41:59):
First time he's jumped, certainly in high jump anyway, since
he won his Olympic gold medal back in August.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Have a chatter.

Speaker 22 (01:42:06):
We'll preve you the Phoenix this afternoon, and oh Ossi
Tennis open as well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Go onto Jack. Yeah, Women's final tonight, Men's tomorrow, superb
looking forward to it. Thank you, sir. Good to hear boys.
Jason Pine with us this afternoon from the three Auto
Tucky christ Church with Weekends Sport. He'll be with us
right after the midday news before twelve o'clock. That new
album from fans Ferdinand Right now, it's twenty three minutes
to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
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Katherine Rain's our book reviewer, has her picks for us
this weekend, including the latest by Greg Hurwitz. Orphan X
is back tell us about Nemesis Catherine.

Speaker 23 (01:42:50):
So this is actually book ten in the series, and
Evans Smoke is the main protagonist and he's known for
the rest of the world is Orphan X and they
nowhere when and he's from a he's broken out of
our government black ops programmers, where his background is. And
he has this certain set up of rules and values
that he lives by, and the top of that list
for him is loyalty and that sort of strong code

(01:43:12):
of right and wrong helps him he believes remain sort
of human as opposed to being a heartless killing machine.
But his best friend Tommy seems to have broken this code,
and he provided weapons to an assassin who targets some
innocent victims, and that's a line Evan does not cross,
and so they end up confronting each other and they
sort of retreat back, realizing that the next time they
ever meet, they're going to be enemies. And at the meantime,

(01:43:35):
Evan's trying to negotiate his home life and his relationship
with Joey, and Joey's trying to figure out who she
is as a young girl who was raised to be
a killer, but she's now instead going to college and
trying to struggling to fit in and social media and
all that sort of stuff. And then also Tommy, the
other guy, has his own problems. He has an old
army barbie Miami buddy who died in his arms, and

(01:43:59):
he said that he had helped his son if he
ever called, and that son calls him the favor and
he ends up in this rural town and this corrupt
cops and and anger and tension, and he's trying to
keep his promise. And then even often X ends up
there as well, and that's where the plot and the
tension ramps up and becomes fast and furious, and you

(01:44:19):
keep them turning the pages to see where these characters
end up next. So yeah, kind of typical Greek. Heurwitz
really keeps you on the edge of you seat.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
Yeah, very good. Okay, that's Nemesis by Greg Heurwitz. You've
also read The Crash by FRIEDA. McFadden.

Speaker 23 (01:44:33):
So in the story, eight months ago, Teagan had gone
out with some friends and she meets this handsome stranger
and then a few weeks later she discovers she's pregnant,
and she contacts him and she learns of two things
from there that actually, this guy Simon is an incredibly
wealthy marriage man who really wants nothing to do with her,
and the other thing is that he's willing to pay

(01:44:55):
this enormous sum of money to keep her quiet in
exchange for her signing a non disclosure agreement. But when
they meet for signing the agreement, she kind of some
memories of that night end up triggering for her, and
she decides to just refuse the money, and she's going
to head to her brother's house, which is a couple
of hours away, but she ends up in a blizzard
and a snowstorm and ends up crashing in the middle

(01:45:16):
of rural Maine and no seale service, and she's broken
her ankle and there's no way to reach her brother,
and this man Hank stops and rescues her and takes
her back to his house along with his wife, Polly,
and she goes because she's kind of out of options,
but she's kind of not really sure where she is,
and she suspects that nothing's really quite right, and that's
kind of where the plot starts, and there's lots of

(01:45:39):
twists and turns, and it's impossible to figure out who
can be trusted and who has ulterior motives, and a
big reminder that people are not always what they've seem
in The book's a little bit dark and a little
bit twisted, and a little bit of a layer of
creepiness in there as well, but certainly a great plot
with lots of twists and turns.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Very good. Okay, that's by Freda McFadden. That one's called
The Crash, and Catherine's first book is the latest or
for next, the tenth one by Greg Hurwitz, it's called Nemesis,
Nemesis and The Crash. Both of those will be on
our website seventeen to twelve. On news talks, here'd be
new music from fans Ferdinand next.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
News Talks, it'd.

Speaker 13 (01:46:22):
Be loves You.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Well, look, we're all open minded on this program, aren't we.
So that sounds a little bit different. I'm going to
be the first to say it. This is hooked. It's
a new song from Franz Ferdinand. They've got an album
called The Human Fear, so at least they're sort of
sticking with a theme there. The Stale Clifford our music
reviewer has been listening to it and she's with us, now,

(01:47:06):
how are you doing.

Speaker 24 (01:47:08):
I'm glad that we've started right with that song because
it's probably the only song on the album that doesn't
jump out as Frandsford man.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely different. It's different.

Speaker 24 (01:47:18):
So I don't know if you've ever heard, but the
genre that they're in right that early two thousands snawtys
kind of bands that are the UK post post punk grunge.

Speaker 11 (01:47:27):
They're actually now dubbed Indie Sleeves.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
That fits, yeah, yeah, it does.

Speaker 11 (01:47:33):
Fit in the sleeves.

Speaker 24 (01:47:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all those guys, yeah, they're
all the Arctic Sleeves kind of grew, but they weren't
called that then. They're just known as that now because
it's kind of like they're the grungy you went to
the pubs and you had a sneaky snog in.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
The bathroom, yeah right, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 24 (01:47:51):
Apparently apparently yeah yeah yeah, And I'm like, yeah, that
song just like is totally there. But then there's that
like electronic rock thing where you're like, it sounds like
we're in a video game. And then he's got that
really kind of almost scary, weird voice lower tone. So
it just like really snaps out from the rest of
the album because as you'll hear when you play some

(01:48:13):
more of the music, it really does sound like Frans
Ferdinand's from the early two thousand, but not that song.
But I think that's kind of good, Like there's sort
of some stuff they're trying out and that electro rock
dance thing. For some reason, lead singer Alex's voice, you know,
it still sort of captures you in that weird, creepy
kind of way in that song because of that lower
tone that he's doing.

Speaker 11 (01:48:33):
So so that's there.

Speaker 24 (01:48:35):
There's that song, and then we'll jump into all the
Franz Ferdinand normal kind of you know how they have
those real catchy guitar riffs usually that start most of
their song. Yeah, yeah, heaps of that funny kind of album.
Because I was I was well into their debut self
titled album, Yeah take Me Out, Yeah, all those all

(01:48:57):
those songs.

Speaker 11 (01:48:57):
I was really into that.

Speaker 24 (01:48:58):
So this album, like you start it and the first
song didn't kind of hit for me to start with
us a little bit like, Oh, I don't know why,
because it still has that guitar kind of thing, and
I think I just happened to listen to something that's
quite theatrical for a while, because there's still that about
their music too. Every song has that grandiose theatrical like
you're strutting yourself down the street, really something about life.

Speaker 11 (01:49:19):
So there's still that.

Speaker 24 (01:49:20):
There's probably a little bit more of that because it
is obviously about all the fairs that we have in
human existence, and there's a little bit more perhaps vulnerability,
bit more rawness in some of the lyrics and some
of the vocals from Alex, but I think it's still
a lot of what you expect from these guys with
those builds that they do. They sort of capture you
with some sort of like cheeky riff first and then

(01:49:43):
you're like, oh no, that's kind of got under my skin,
and then you're sort of, you know, going into more
of the music. Build it up, which is the tune
you're going to play next. It has this kind of
snazzy jazz. I think maybe there's a double.

Speaker 11 (01:49:54):
Bass in the background, but then you still mix.

Speaker 24 (01:49:56):
That in with what you know is the big guitar
stuff from the Franz Ferdinand. There's a couple of tunes
too where actually the piano takes the lead, and those
are really good.

Speaker 11 (01:50:04):
I think it's a good show.

Speaker 24 (01:50:06):
Off that they can be quite musically diverse if they
want to be, but still with that constant forward I
always feel like when I listen to Frans Ferdinand that
I'm just going to be stomping through the day.

Speaker 11 (01:50:17):
You know, that forward momentum kind of place that they
have about them, So that's still all existent there.

Speaker 24 (01:50:22):
I also think it's really funny that this is an
album about all the different fears of human existence, and
then there's a track called cats. Are we all just
really terrified of cats? Maybe? But if you yals a
little deeper into the lyrics, which is what this album,
you kind of get hit sonically first by all the
music and production, and then a couple of listens and
you get more of the lyrics stuff. And Cats isn't

(01:50:45):
just about being scared of cats and the assassiness, but
also more that trying to.

Speaker 11 (01:50:51):
Trying to keep your inner animal instincts right. Oh my god,
it leads straight into it's all starting to make sense
now today hates the catchy beats.

Speaker 24 (01:51:04):
There's rhythms that will just you know, like, I think
there's a lot that's instantly recognizable because Alex uses more
of that's what you're you normally hear with Franz Ferdinand
and most of the album, so there's more of that
kind of stuff. And I do wonder if it is
an album that if you were a fan in the past,
this is probably one you're gonna really like.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
Yeah right, yeah, I don't know if you.

Speaker 24 (01:51:23):
Have to be a fan, but I think for it
to get under your skin, if you'd instantly be like,
oh yeah, I know those guys, you probably have to
have had some experience with with what it's about. Yeah,
it's safe, nothing too out there, except for that dark
hook song.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
That was pretty out there. Was there was more out
there than I anticipated.

Speaker 11 (01:51:40):
It's the most challenging, so I'm kind of glad that
we've led in with Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
It's good. Yeah you can.

Speaker 24 (01:51:44):
Go into sort of like some of this stuff is
quite pretty, but it's also just that indie, catchy guitar
band stuff, you know, So you'll definitely get to hear
more of that and I think that's the stuff that
will feel more familiar for those who have been fans.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
It's good. Look, we don't want to stifle creativity, do we.

Speaker 24 (01:52:01):
Even again, they haven't gone too far, if you know
what I mean. It's like they try a little bit there,
but you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Everything else is a bit more familiar.

Speaker 9 (01:52:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's good.

Speaker 11 (01:52:09):
That's a good place.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
That's exactly. It's a nice kind of medium, isn't it. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
something for the fans, something a bit new as well. Okay,
what did you give the human fear?

Speaker 24 (01:52:18):
Okay, I'm going to give it a seven out of ten?

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
Nice?

Speaker 24 (01:52:20):
Okay, sit with you for a bitch, get through some
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Yes, maybe not a first first time listen one as
well alone. It takes a little bit of time just
to kind of grow.

Speaker 9 (01:52:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:52:28):
Maybe that's okay too.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
Yeah, very good. All right, we'll have more of a listen.
We'll listen to the one with the jazzy bit you reckon.
That's the jazzy bit one. We'll pick that out and
play next to your cold Very good. Thanks to Steale
catching next week a Stale Cliff at our music reviewer.
There's seven out of ten for the Human Fear from
Frans Ferdinand. We'll have a bit more of a listen
in a couple of minutes. Right now, it is eight
to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
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for doing the tough stuff today. Jason Pine's gonna take
you through the afternoon with weekend sport. For now, though,
we will leave you with Franz Ferdinand. Their new album
is The Human Fear. This is build it up, strength to.

Speaker 7 (01:53:44):
Strength.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
I'm not gonna run.

Speaker 17 (01:53:57):
Shame.

Speaker 13 (01:54:10):
How can we talk.

Speaker 20 (01:54:13):
About our defensus and we don't talk, don't.

Speaker 13 (01:54:18):
Talk at all.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
Listen to the end.

Speaker 13 (01:54:22):
Come off the hunger of my silences. Off to the sound.

Speaker 8 (01:54:28):
I'll be chest the strange.

Speaker 13 (01:54:32):
Do hold a gun in the strange.

Speaker 7 (01:54:35):
I'm not gonna run.

Speaker 13 (01:54:37):
Build it up, build it up. You gotta you gotta
get set up. You wanna take some, fix it up.
You gotta fix something. You gotta open up, you gotta share,
build it up up and say you gotta get so
take so pull it on down a bunting. You gotta
open up.

Speaker 17 (01:54:58):
You got it.

Speaker 9 (01:54:58):
And build it up up.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
I'm gonna build it up.

Speaker 13 (01:55:07):
Build it up.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
You come on, pull it up, feeling up with me.

Speaker 4 (01:55:31):
You gotta give some take so fix it up and
brick some.

Speaker 13 (01:55:37):
You gotta open up, you gotta share, build it up.
Nothing is better. Come on, bring some shake so pull
it out down. But no, you gotta open enough. You
gotta can build it up and nothing that. You gotta
get some take some, mix it up. You gotta bring

(01:55:58):
some you gotta hope enough, you gotta share, build it up,
and nothing is said.

Speaker 5 (01:56:04):
Breck, some.

Speaker 13 (01:56:09):
Gott it open up. You gotta build it up.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
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