Full Show Podcast: 28 September 2024

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(01:06):
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that and of course we will be counting down to

(01:27):
the All Blacks versus the Wallabies and what is a
massive weekend for Wellington. We've got world of wearable Arts
and the Bleeders low this evening, So it's going to
be huge in the Capitol right now. Eight past nine,
Jack Team. So my take on working from home versus
working in the office is you can't really say that
any one model is perfect for everyone in every business

(01:51):
or workplace and every sector or industry. You know what
I mean, There's no one size fits all. There are
workplaces where working from home might be better than working
from the office, and there are workplaces where the traditional
model holds true, and there are also workplaces that will
find themselves somewhere in between. I work six days a week,

(02:12):
right and typically I do five in the office and
one at home. And the thing about newsrooms is that
newsrooms are noisy and distracting and slightly chaotic, open plan environments. Honestly,
that's why I love them. But in my job, I
have a lot to read, and I have a lot
of detail that I really need to understand and process,

(02:34):
and so once a week it is just so good
to escape the office and too bearing myself in detail
at home without the risk of being distracted every two minutes.
And look, maybe maybe I'm giving the whole productivity argument
too much credit here. If the primary reason to get
public servants to go back into the office in person

(02:57):
is actually just to prop up Wellington businesses, then yeah,
that's a pretty lousy reason. But I actually think the
reaction to the government's directive this week was honestly a
bit overblown. They didn't say that all public servants have
to work from the office every single day. They just

(03:18):
said that working from home was not an automatic entitlement
and that arrangements would have to be agreed between employers
and employees. So working from home arrangements should only be
agreed when they don't impact agency objectives and productivity. Am
I missing something? I mean, that seems pretty reasonable to me.

(03:40):
I don't see anything about mandating. My read, at least
is that it still allows for flexibility so long as
the flexibility doesn't compromise the quality of an employee or
an agency's work. And actually, this government is making a
bit of a habit of issuing directives that don't cost
it any money but will probably be met with a

(04:03):
similar reaction from a big slab of the public. I mean,
a prime example would be the new cell phone ban
in schools.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I have always supported it. I just think it's I
just think it's total consense. I think we'll look back
at it in years to come and be like, oh,
my gosh, can you believe that once upon a time
we let kids have phones in schools? And now even
the opposition education spokesperson supports it too. And perhaps another
example does teacher only days. Unions and schools might rightly

(04:33):
be frustrated at any implication that they are wasting time
or doing something that isn't worthwhile goodness knows, they have
incredibly difficult and undervalued jobs. And look, many schools time
their teacher only days for long weekends, and obviously schools
have to be open for a specific number of days
every year. And personally, I think it's a bit rich

(04:55):
to suggest that teacher only days have a major impact
on truancy. But I for one was honestly surprised to
learn that under the current rules, teacher only days are
actually only supposed to be held outside of term time.
Is there really a compelling reason that shouldn't be the case. Look,

(05:18):
it'll be a blow to morale for teachers and for
many schools, but that directive was all about parents, and
I can tell you now a vast majority of parents
are not going to be marching in the streets to
demand a return of midterm teacher only days. Jack Jet
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(06:02):
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forward to that. Right now, it's twelve minutes past nine.
Kevin Merlmo will kick us off next. I'm Jack Tame.
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Speaker 2 (06:21):
EDB, Dogs EDB. Thank you very much for your text, Jack,
I personally think people who should continue to who can
work from home should continue to work from home. After all,
it's not their job to prop up eateries. I don't
want to spend two and a half hours a day
in traffic, nor do I want to pay twelve dollars
a day to park, says Fiona. Yeah, fair call, Fiona.
I'm with you on that. It isn't your job to
prop up those cafes and things, although they are doing

(06:44):
it tough at the moment. But my reading of the
rules is that under the directives you can still work
from home. You just have to come to an agreement
with your employer. Where may you say, you know what,
Actually I'm going to be able to do the same
amounter of work, if not more to a high quality
from home. Maybe you can look at a flexible option.
Thank you for that. I'll get to more of your
feedback in a couple of minutes. Kevin Milne is with

(07:04):
us this morning. Calder Kevin, you thoughts on this? Liam Lawson, Oh, amazing,
like actually actually incredible. I mean, the thing is about
formula one. I'm no expert, but I've got more and
more into it. Over the last couple of years thanks
to Drive to Survive, that that amazing series on Netflix.

(07:25):
And it's pretty clear that most of the people, not
all of them, but most of the people who make
it into Formula one make it with big money behind them.
So either they come from a family with really incredible resources,
or they happen to have relationships with sponsors that are
pumping gazillions of dollars into Formula one. I don't think
anyone is suggesting that Liam Lawson, you know, comes comes
with the self a spoon in his mouth, so he's

(07:46):
made it there out of shared determination and talent. And
I just think that is incredible.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
I really do, absolutely brilliant. Yeah, and I'm not a
race I'm not a I'm not a motorhead or no.
I just I just really admire that guy for his
for his stickability totally and also obviously is incredible skill.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah. No, it's quite remarkable. Kevin, You too have been
pondering where you stand on the work from home debate.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah, it's funny, actually, isn't it that we both ended
up with the same topic really today and you've covered
some of it. But yeah, there have been plenty of
headlines this week about working from home, or WFH as
it's called. Why the abbreviations, Jack, how much quicker is
it to say WF eight than working from home? It's

(08:37):
time so precious for you millennials.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, I think it's not quicker to say it, but
it is quicker to text it.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, that's right. I knew you were going
to say that. I'd written all this out, and I
thought i'd have a crack at you about that. I
suddenly thought, texting, Yeah, I know, you're quite right. But anyway,
there's an old fashioned side of me that says the
whole working from home things got out of hand necessary
during COVID, but when COVID ended, we needed to return

(09:08):
to our workplaces to again work as a team under
normal supervision with no distractions. Doesn't that have a lovely
boomer retiree ring about it?

Speaker 6 (09:18):
Jack?

Speaker 5 (09:19):
From someone who doesn't have to go into the office anyway. Yeah.
On the other hand, a significant percentage of the workforce
have discovered their lives improved by working a more fulfilling family,
life cheaper, with workoutput not appearing to suffer. So why
return to the old status quo? I'm a bit split

(09:40):
on the issue, really, But there's one thing I'm clear
about and has been mentioned already today. With all the
talk about the CBD business failures, the seem to suggestion
this week the government might wanted some employees back into
their offices because, among other things, the Central Business District
needed them. There maybe valid reasons to tell employees to

(10:01):
return their officers, but surely not just because other businesses
depend on them central city cafes and bars, or fewer
people now using the buses and trains. Next we'll be
hearing that public servants have to go back to wearing
suits to work to support the dwindling number of local tailers.
If it turns out COVID showed us a better way

(10:24):
to work involving a significant level of working from home,
then it's a leak forward and we need to run
with it. And sorry that affected businesses and services simply
have to adjust, just like open plan working and hot
desking required employees to adjust.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that, Kevin. I agree.
I wonder if there's just somewhere in the middle of
all this a bit of a happy medium whereby like
public sector workers who do work in central Wellington and
who are commuting from you know, sometimes quite significant distances,
you know, Masterson or something like that. I wonder if
there's a happy medium whereby people are in the office

(11:03):
for a few days a week. So they're in the
office for three days a week, right, and that means
that they are also potentially contributing to some of those
CBD eateries. But they're getting the benefits from being in
the office and all of the easy communication that comes
from being in an open plan environment, but then also
getting the benefit from being able to focus on their
work at home. And I just wonder if there's a

(11:24):
nice little kind of if we can thread the needle
and yeah, yeah, I mean you know, because the way
I actually looking at the detail of those directives, I
was like, I don't I don't think that this actually
changes anything. I don't think there will be you know,
employers or agencies that are automatically saying that you are
entitled to work from home. Maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong

(11:46):
on that be interesting to know.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
I think the government was really telling people you cannot
tell the guys that run your company or manage your
business that you are going to be staying at home yeah,
it has to be negotiated. Yeah, and I think that's
totally clear. And if they want you to come into
the office, I'm sorry. That's the way it happens. You
go into the office, you do what you're told.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah, I like, no, it sounds even older than I
really am.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
I think it's pretty really I think it's pretty reasonable
and it's pretty common sense. Yeah. Yeah. The only the
last thing I will add is that it's really clear
to me that like that people work best in different conditions. So,
for example, my my wonderful wife, she is a total
night owl, right, so she kind of like starts to
get into gear for her working day at about four pm,

(12:40):
and so that's when she's really starting to get most productive.
And of course then it's like, all right, the day's done,
I'm going to hit home, you know, whereas I am
super productive at quarter past seven in the morning. And
so we're just kind of total opposite ends of the day.
And so I will often do an hour or two's
work from home and achieve more like before I go
into the office, and achieve more in that time than
I will in four hours in the office.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
And you know, it's just it's just yeah, it's it's
it's funny. I just and I think sometimes, you know,
it probably requires a little bit of flexibility on behalf
of both employers and employees. But anyway, I know a
lot of people will have thoughts on that. Kevin, you're
not making your way to Wellington tonight for the all boat.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
I certainly am oh good man, Oh yeah, we're I mean,
I'm after.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
The rugby good What are you thinking? Because last week,
you know, I came at the start of the show
very foolishly made predictions, which is never never a good
idea when it comes to rugby, and it looked like, actually,
my my warnings were gonna be heated, if you like,
by the first ten or fifteen minutes of that game
when we put what twenty five points on them. But

(13:39):
things turn out it was a pretty exciting match last week,
so it's hard to really gauge this.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
Well, yeah, I'm not confident about any of my predictions
after last night and watching Counties Thrash Thrash Wellington. Yea,
it were sitting in about tenth and the ladder beating
the table leaders easily. Honestly, they would have beaten the
All Blacks last night. Counties were Magne Nevers.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, yeah, it was pretty remarkable. I what fifty one
twelve I think for the joys God remarkable? Really, Hey,
thank you so much, Kevin, have a wonderful time this evening,
and thank you for your feedback as well.

Speaker 7 (14:14):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
To assume that businesses or agencies weren't already discussing specifics
for working from home as total crap. It was never
an entitlement. Was it? Surely that the employer would know
if working from home or in the office is the
most profitable. I suppose the question is that, well, some
people would say, is that if it's a private business, yes,
the employer absolutely would know whether it's most profitable. But

(14:36):
that in the public service the drive for productivity might
not be quite the same as it is in a
private business. That would be the argument there, wouldn't it.
Ninety two ninety two? If you want to send us
a message twenty four past.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Nine, getting your weekends started, It's Saturday morning with Jack
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Speaker 2 (14:57):
Heaps and heaps and heaps of messages coming through regarding
working from home.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I work in a private sector for an enterprise sized company,
We aim to work through days in the office, with
Wednesday being a priority, so that we socially engage at
least once a week. My job probably involves seventy percent
of my time on teams, meetings with customers working from home.
If the government say they want more foot traffic to
save the cafes, maybe they should have thought twice before
ending subsidized public transport and sacing thousands from the public sector. Yeah,

(15:24):
if that is the priority, then I think yeah, yeah,
well said ninety ninety two. If you want to send
us a message, our sporto is Andrew Sevill counting down
to the second low, a second leader's low in Wellington
this evening, Save and I reckon we solved the world's
problems last night. You and I bumped into each other
in the office and we reckon that at the moment,
Scott Robertson is maybe suffering from a bit of a

(15:46):
bit of a whack a mole kind of philosophy.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 8 (15:51):
I was.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
My was first of all surprised to see you at work, Jack,
given you work from home most.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Days one day out of six save one day out
of six.

Speaker 9 (16:00):
You know, no, no, I just yeah, I think Look,
if you look at the team selections through the whole
season his first year in the job, there's been a
lot of sort of twoing and throwing. Guy doesn't play
well one week, he's gone and he's back the next.
The bench has changed quite often. This team has a
very familiar look to it. I would have started Damien

(16:23):
McKenzie again. I think he just needs more time as
a ten in test match football. You're going to pin
your stripes to him. You play him every game at ten. Okay,
against Japan on the way north in a month or so.
You'd give someone else a bit of a crack, i'd imagine.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
But it's not like the Bleeders lies on the line
tonight either.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
That's right, that's right. If they'd lost in Sydney and
McKenzie had a shocking game. Look, he threw a couple
of bad passes. I don't think he had a shocking back. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you'd probably play Barrett at ten if the Bleedisloe was
on the line. But I'll be intrigued to see how
Boden Barrett goes at ten, hasn't played it for a while.
He should slot in pretty muchlessly with TJ at half back.

(17:10):
I just want to see Jack a full performance from
the All Blacks from the first to last whistle. I
want to see them attack. I want to see them
defend stoutly. There were a few defensive mix ups in Sydney.
Conditions might dictate that we don't see that sort of
attacking football we saw in Sydney last week. The conditions
were perfect and I was last week mid afternoon kick off,

(17:33):
which was fantastic. So so yeah, I just I think
we've got to a stage now when where the new
coaches and new management should be bettered in then it
should be a lot more calm, a lot more relaxed.
I just don't think they are yet anyway.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, No, I tend to agree.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
I tend to agree by twenty if they get on
a roll twenty to thirty. Look, Joe Schmidt has just
doesn't have the cattle. I think we discussed this last week.
But he's a very very good coach.

Speaker 9 (18:03):
Mike Cron is a very good coach.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
I thought the Blacks would destroy them in the scrum
last week. They didn't. That goes that you can put
that down to Mike Cron and Joe Schmidt. Yeah, they
were twenty one nil down after fourteen fifteen. But yeah,
I think the way they took on the All Blacks
up the middle of that second half week of Joe Schmidt.
So looking forward to another good game?

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, yes, I am I Liam Lawson. What an extraordinary performance.
And we've been waiting, We've been waiting, and we've sort
of been teased in tantalized over the last couple of years.
But finally he signs.

Speaker 9 (18:37):
And Britaman frustrating for him, his supporters, his family because
everybody sort of knew what was going on, but no
one was allowed to confirm it. I think they were
trying to maneuver Ricardo out of the team in a
nice way, if there's ever a nice way to be
dumped out of if one that's the dog eat dog

(18:57):
world of that totally forma one circus though, which Lawson
is now entering. I mean, he's been in a while now,
so he knows what to expect. But a great chance
races to perform. He needs to beat his teammate Yuki
Sonoda in qualifying and racing. That's number one. Needs to
impress Red Bull and Jack. I wouldn't be surprised if
he does well in the next six events, and Serjo Piriz,

(19:22):
who's one of the Red Bull drivers, if he doesn't
do well, we could still possibly see Liam Lawson in
that top team with Max for staff and next year.
I think that's a possibility.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
But well done to Liam Lawson for making it onto
the grid. He had a few races last year. This
is a little bit more semi permanent. What you've got
to realize, Jack, It was only twenty seats a year
in Formula One, and for a New Zealander to persist
and get there and look like a long term if
one driver I think is quite remarkable. You know, it's
hard enough for a key we to get into say

(19:57):
the Premier League and football, or the NBA and basketball.
This is even more.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
The thing is a meritocracy, that's the thing, right It
makes f one. So I mean, so it's not just
a case of being a good driver. It's not even
a case of being the best driver. You have to
be an exceptional driver and you have to navigate that
heady world of politics and money that makes up international motorsport.
And to have done that with a kind of grace

(20:23):
that Liam Lawson has has done it, I just I
think it's a really extraordinary.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
There's only a minute team minute percentage of racing car
drivers that make it one, right, Yeah, I mean history.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
You know Lard Stroll, who's had several seasons and f
one is there because his dad happens to own his team.

Speaker 9 (20:43):
And his dad happened to used to own Tommy Hilfiger
and Rolf.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yes, yeah, he's got a little.

Speaker 9 (20:49):
Bit of coin. But for a young ki who's done
it on the smell of an oily rag. He has
corporate sponsors here in in z he has some private
backers who have been with him all the way, who
could see this kid was talented, who could see this
kid had extreme drive. They are about to be rewarded
in the sense that Liam Lawson is on that if

(21:09):
one starting word, which is quite so firm now the
other myth just quickly. I think people assume because he's.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
Now and if one he's a multi millionaire, he's going
to earn mega millions. No he isn't. That only comes
when you're indispensable to a team, which hopefully Liam Lawson
becomes sooner rather than later. I would imagine he's only
just on six figures, but he still has to pay
a lot of costs. He has to pay his own insurance,
he has to pay his own license fee.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Surely he's on more than sex figures.

Speaker 9 (21:37):
Now, No, no, he's not. He has to pay his
living expenses and apartments, day to day expenses. That's why
he's that's why he still needs private backers, because it's
it's still it's It is quite remarkable that if one
Liam Lawson is earning less than a base salary and
super rugby for a rugby player, quite extraordinary.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
I just for that.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Surely that's surely, now that he's actually made it, he'll
warn more. I thought, Oh my gosh, that's crazy. Just
thought the thought of them all be helicoptered around everywhere
in private jetting and in that kind of thing. And
then Liam Lawson, you know, bedding down for another night
in a three star hotel.

Speaker 9 (22:19):
Something in the wave down the road makes sact look
read ball flying Eyore and put him up.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah yeah, But when.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
He's not racing, he has to he has to cover
his own costs.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Oh wow.

Speaker 9 (22:31):
Stage then the irony is that he could probably make
more money driving a supercar Durance around the world. But
to be an if one to be an if one
driver and to be in that atmosphere and to have
the chance to earn Megan Million's bouns what it's all about.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Well said, Hey, thanks for your time, Seves Andrew savil
Our sport Oder. I was going to ask him about
the cricket but you know what, what can you say
for anyone who's been following the black Caps, it's been
a tough watch so far. They're currently in the second
Test against Sri Lanka in Gaul which has got to
be one of the world's best cricket venues down in
the in the south of Sri Lanka former Portuguese colony.

(23:07):
You know how they play in the old fort, the
historic fort there. Incredible anyway, Sri Lanka first etting six
hundred and two for five declared New Zealand closed day
two yesterday twenty two for two. So yeah, you're probably
only gonna be watching that game to appreciate the venue
and the historical sites rather than the black Caps chances.

Speaker 10 (23:29):
Monday, Jen Africa.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
Day. Let's alone like that.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
This is KEII artist Reiki Ruaway that songs called love
No Other cool lame. Hey, thanks for your feedback regarding
working in the office to prop up business as Jack,
have you ever heard of taking your own lunch to
the office? Yes, actually quite, I don't know, do I
prefer to?

Speaker 8 (24:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
I reckon, I reckon. It's probably a photo finish. Depends
on the leftovers. Really, No, I'm into that. So that's
a perfectly legitimate point ninety two. If you want to
send us some a message in your thoughts on working
from home and whether or not public servants should be
directed to work from the office, plenty of feedback to
get through very shortly. Right now, though, it's time to
catch up with our film reviewer, Francesca Rudkin is here, Kelder,

(24:29):
Good morning, Okay, two films to talk to. I'm gonna
have already lamented the title of our second film, so
we'll get to that in a couple of minutes. It's
been grinding my gears, but let's start off with a
new movie showing and cinemas at the moment. This is Megalopolis.

Speaker 8 (24:43):
Imagine today's society as a branch of civilization. I'm about
to reach your head end. Is this way we're living?
The only one that's available to us.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
BA that's Meg Loveless.

Speaker 11 (25:07):
Yes, this is the sci fi drama written in directed
and produced by Francis Ward Coppola that he has. The
eighty five year old director has been working on this
project for decades. It is a self funded passion project.
He's around one hundred and twenty million dollars in to
make this film and it played it can. It was
picked up by Lionsgate to have it released in cinemas,

(25:30):
which is really good because it must be seen in
a cinema. This film is audacious, it is just polarizing.
It's absolutely nutty, but it needs to be seen on
the big screen. It's set in futuristic America that resembles
ancient Rome and and River plays an architect called Caesar.

(25:51):
He's a visionary and it's his job to determine how
to rebuild the metropolis of New Rome after a disaster,
and it's kind of a battle for the soul of
the city, and he's backling against the mayor and the
rich and the powerful. It's like an ancient myth or
fable put into a modern city. Jack I saw this
film on Wednesday. I still do not have my head

(26:12):
around it. I do not know whether this film is
a masterpiece for an absolute disaster. It is equally frustrating
as it is at times stunning and beautiful. There are
scenes in this film that I'm there, I'm in it,

(26:33):
I'm in this world, and then there are other scenes
where I'm just going, oh my goodness, this is two
hours and eighteen minutes of my life. I'm never going
to get back. The film obviously looks at sort of
power and corruption and art and creativity and the impact
of progress and of standing still, but it just struggles
to get into a throw. He is throwing so much

(26:55):
at us, and it's not terribly subtle at times, and
the film sort of starts off, I got all this
just looks amazing, this is me great, and then the
next thing, you know, Adam Driver's character is doing Shakespeare's
soliloquy like no no, no, no no, I don't need Shakespeare
as well, and and so there's all these sort of subplots,
and you know, it's it's really you have to see

(27:17):
it to believe it. But I would highly recommend that
you watch the trailer first. It is it is our house.
It is bonkers. It's for a discerning film goer. You know,
if you're thinking, oh good, I love, you know the goal,
but I just want to watch this. There's so much
about it which is amazing, but then there's so much
about it which is really frustrating and just.

Speaker 10 (27:39):
Just just bonkers.

Speaker 11 (27:40):
As you can tell im, I'm really really just sitting
on the sidelines with us great cast, and I'm pretty
sure that everybody, no one will care what You're either
going to love it or hate it. And I don't
think if you're involved in this film, you wouldn't matter
it doesn't You wouldn't care what the reviews are, because
you would go I was involved in something quite unique
and audacious and I got to work with Francis Ford,

(28:01):
and that's all it means.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, unique is good is good. Different is good. It's
sounds like a big moone mash. It sounds like just
a big like like you know, like someone's just throwing
a whole lot of paint at the canvas.

Speaker 11 (28:14):
Absolutely, and I can't even go into all these little
examples of just how unsubtled as at times and how
much he throws are you And Yeah, so a part
of me loved it, part of me hated it. Yeah,
And I think it's probably going to take in another
viewing God for bit and a little bit of time
before I find which side of you nice?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Okay, that sounds that sounds interesting at the very least
and different. So that is Megalopolis that's showing in cinemas. Now,
now to the film whose title has been irritating me
for days now, starring bad Brad Pitt and George Clooney.
Have I listened to Wolf's.

Speaker 10 (28:51):
I was told and if I ever needed help to
call you?

Speaker 12 (28:54):
What you can do?

Speaker 4 (28:54):
What I do? We clearly have a situation here.

Speaker 13 (29:04):
The only course of action is for you York together.

Speaker 12 (29:06):
To clean up the glass.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
No, that's wolves. Can you just start off by explaining
the title?

Speaker 14 (29:16):
Well, they just didn't want to call it a house.

Speaker 11 (29:18):
Are you going to explain the sub You're going to
explain the premise is that you've got these two lone wolves.
So you've got these two loan characters who are cleaners.
They called into fixed problems, but they you know, usually
involving dead bodies and things or killing people, but they
always work alone, and they're very protective of their trade craft, right,

(29:39):
and they're very protective of what they do. So we
have a wolf which is called into a situation and
another wolf arrives and the two of them are played
by George Cleaning and bread Pitt, and the two of
them are forced to work together, but they're not really together.
It's not really a plural.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Nonetheless, if you're putting.

Speaker 11 (29:55):
Yes, I know, I mean it's it's I totally understan
where you're coming from, because we don't use w O
L F S as the plural.

Speaker 10 (30:03):
We use the B.

Speaker 11 (30:04):
So it is very confusing. But I'd move on from that, Yeah, Jack,
I just let that go.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
You know, sometimes I just think I'm I'm you know,
I remember how I used to roll my eyes when
playing scrabble with my father, and I've just become that person,
you know, I've just become the nitpecker on grammar and
all of these things, and I just you can say,
move on. It's easy to say move on, but I
just know that for some reason, it's like I've got
it between my.

Speaker 11 (30:26):
Teeth apostrophies as well, well.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I placed apostrophes.

Speaker 15 (30:30):
Yeah, yes, exactly.

Speaker 11 (30:32):
Anyway, this is this is an undermanding fun film, Okay.
So that's why I'm just saying it's not worth really
spending humuch time worrying about that it's you've got a
couple of charismatical leads here. I'm gonna be on this
is playing on Apple Plus TV. I'm going to be
honest with you. The first tween minutes about like the
two of them and joined up and done a coffee
ad together. It's it's George Cloney and bread. As you

(30:54):
expect that sort of dead pan, kind of funny banter
that the two of them do together. The film is
set over one night. It is actually beautifully shot. The
cinematop figure is absolutely fantastic. But it took to the
forty night. This is an actual comedy. It took to
the forty ninth minute when there was a fantastic stunt
scene of the car chase, which actually had me laughing

(31:14):
out loud. And that's when I kind of lightened up
a little bit on this film and when Okay, look
you're expecting too much. This is just supposed to be
on the light side. Look, the two of them obviously
worked together really well. There's lots of as I said,
banter between the two of them. They take the mickey
out of each other. The funny part is that they're actually,

(31:36):
you know, they think that they're the best of what
they do and that they're individuals and they must work individually,
but actually they're the same person. They dress the same,
they both had the same back issue, they both work
with the same people. They need glasses to read, So
there's lots of sort of gags there along those lines
as well.

Speaker 10 (31:53):
Yeah, I think the pace ebbs.

Speaker 11 (31:55):
And flows, the twists take a while to kick in,
and I think they needed more of them. Sometimes it
felt like the film was just resting on the chemistry
between the two of them, you know. But there are
a few moments where you think they actually put some
effort into the acting, but the rest of it all
comes pretty lightly, pretty easily. Sorry, not fun, light breathing entertainment.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Very good. Yeah, okay, cool, that's Wolfs That's on Apple
TV plus Megalopolis and Cinemas Now. Thanks Frantiska.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
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Speaker 2 (32:31):
Well to Tina Cook. Nicky Wicks is here, killeder Yeah,
good morning Jack. It is a bit of a weird
time of year when it comes to fresh fruit able
so We're very much in between seasons for fresh fruit.

Speaker 16 (32:43):
We really are, because the funny thing is is springtime.
You know, you think, oh, everything's going to be flourishing,
but actually the blossoms are still out.

Speaker 10 (32:51):
The fruit is just sitting now.

Speaker 16 (32:53):
For some of our fruits, berries, stone fruit, we're a
long way away from that, I'm afraid.

Speaker 10 (32:57):
To tell you.

Speaker 16 (32:58):
And although there are loads of apples and peas in
the supermarket and I do continue to buy some of them,
they really have been in cool store since last seas,
so they're not great either. My rhubarb that should be
thriving is sometimes demental, so I can't rely on it.
But the good trusty old banana, Ah, it's always.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
There, isn't it. It is always there? Yeah, I can,
And I can tell you where in a household with
this even year old boy that gets through about three
bananas a day by himself, we are very much relyingt
tom bananas at this time of year.

Speaker 10 (33:32):
I love it. People love them.

Speaker 16 (33:33):
I mean, of course they're an import, although we now
grow them in Northland, which is great, but you're.

Speaker 10 (33:38):
Right they are.

Speaker 16 (33:38):
They're just always there and kids love them, and so
I think for that reason we sort of can underestimate them.
But this week I have got for us this beautiful banana,
walnut and sultana loafing.

Speaker 10 (33:51):
So I make it in a loaft and but I
don't want.

Speaker 16 (33:53):
To call it a banana bread because it seems a
little bit more caky than that bit more moist, a
little bit more fluffy, and studying it with the sultanas,
they go old chewy.

Speaker 10 (34:03):
The walnuts kind of melt a little.

Speaker 16 (34:05):
Bit soft in a little they're really buttery and beautiful,
and the banana is just it's great and look dead easy.
Here we go other on one eighty degrees and that's
that's on a fan bake, and I tend to take
it down sort of ten degrees when I actually put
the loaf in there, and then this makes me large
loaf tin, so you know, so there's small and large

(34:26):
loaf to bakers will know what I mean there. So
I do this in a standing beta, which which means
I don't have to sort of be hands on the
whole time.

Speaker 10 (34:32):
It can just beat away.

Speaker 16 (34:33):
And I beat out one hundred and twenty five grams
of soft and butter with half a cup of sugar.
Any sugar I reckon is fine. I just use whatever
I've got. I want that to be light and fluffy
at this time of the year, cool morning.

Speaker 10 (34:46):
Still. I'll put in a teaspoon or.

Speaker 16 (34:49):
Two of boiling hot water with that too, jack and
it just helps to soften that.

Speaker 10 (34:53):
Butter a little bit.

Speaker 16 (34:54):
I don't own a MICROABC, so I can't get it
all really soft, so i'll do that doesn't impact on
the on the end result.

Speaker 10 (35:01):
And then you want to add two eggs.

Speaker 16 (35:02):
But I beat well in between each one, so I'll
add one. I'll beat for about two twenty seconds, and
then I'll add the next one. It does sort to
make a difference there. I put a drizzle of golden syrup.
Goodness knows why I do. I just feel like it
gives it a little something. You could use maple syrup
as well, but don't use a good quality one. Just
use a cheap one in there.

Speaker 10 (35:21):
And then I don't mash the banana.

Speaker 16 (35:22):
I just peel two bananas and I break them off
in pieces and I put those in the in the beta.
And that's two large bananas I use. Mine worn't particularly right,
but they're ripe enough. About half a couple seventy grams
of walnut pieces and the same half a cup of
sultanas in there, give that all a bit of a mix,

(35:43):
and then sift or just dump in self raising flour,
two cups of that and half a teaspoon of cinnamon,
plus a quarter of a teaspoon of baking soda to
give us that extra little lift in there. You just
want to stir that or just beat that very slowly.
You want to make sure there's no pockets of flour
in there, but you also want to make sure that
there's that you don't overmix it, otherwise you'll get a

(36:05):
tough low.

Speaker 10 (36:06):
I also then use two nice.

Speaker 16 (36:08):
Big dollups of plain Greek yogurt, because I love that
in a cake as well.

Speaker 10 (36:13):
And then if.

Speaker 16 (36:13):
It's we're aiming for dropping consistency for our batter jack,
but if it's not quite there, and sometimes it can
be a bit stiff, eggs might be too small, butter
might have been not quite soft enough, et cetera.

Speaker 10 (36:25):
Add a little splash of.

Speaker 16 (36:26):
Milk and stew that and just so that you've got
that lovely dropping consistency, scrape it into your tin, bake
it for about forty five minutes. But you know, insert
a skewer or a knife and it should come out
nice and clean. Loaf cakes take ages to cook. I've
never quite figured out why, but they seem to take
longer than a regular cake.

Speaker 10 (36:43):
That's for sure. I should know this, but I have
no idea.

Speaker 16 (36:47):
So forty five minutes, if it's still coming out with
a little bit of the batter on your skew it,
cook it for a bit longer.

Speaker 10 (36:53):
That'll be fine. And look, you can have it warm,
you can have it cold. I butter mine.

Speaker 16 (36:59):
I also take grete slices and I mix up some
sour cream with some brown sugar and I doll up
that on top. Is a great idea, honestly, it's it's
just it's just wickedly good.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, it sounds fantastic like and and can you I
know we're not calling it a bread, but can you
eat it in banana bread type settings ie for breakfast toasted? Maybe?

Speaker 10 (37:18):
Yeah? Absolutely?

Speaker 16 (37:20):
And yeah, once you know, if it hangs around for
a bit, or if you freeze it and you want
to toast it up, that's fine, just to have that
sort of warmth in it, because then of course you
get that d aroma as well. So yeah, absolutely, we
don't want to call it a banana bread. I think
the Aussies call it banana bread, but it's it's never
really yeast, and.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
So I'm not sure what's going on about, right, but
there you go. Used how about so many things? No,
this absolutely sounds like a winner. Thank you so much.
We'll make sure the recipe is up and available online.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
As well, giving you the inside scoop on all you
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Speaker 2 (38:02):
It'd be Oh my godness, that hour has absolutely flown
by this wellie. Thank you very much for all of
your texts and emails. I had a good one on
the email, and I swear I don't just read our
emails that agree with me, but this one says Jack,
you were one hundred percent on point with your opening
comments this morning. I totally agree. Nothing about the directives
seemed to change things too much, and it's totally reasonable.

(38:25):
Surely it's reasonable to expect people to work from the
office from time to time if that means they're more productive. Yeah,
I think that it really comes down to is it
a productivity question or are you just doing it to
prop up businesses. But thank you for that. I'll get
tomorrow your feedback after ten o'clock this morning as well
as that. Well, have your screen time picks for this week.
Great new TV shows including this new show National Treasures

(38:48):
to recommend to you're looking forward to that plus Finn
Andrews from The Veils right with us after the ten
o'clock news.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
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Speaker 2 (39:16):
Is the secret key.

Speaker 12 (39:19):
Still in your hearts?

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh so good, Ah Morden in New Zealand, you were
Jack Tame. This is News talks'd b. I'm here through
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(39:58):
The English slash ki we rock band The Veils were
announced this week in the first lineup of acts to
headline next year's won Mad Festival. The enigmatic indie band
have a reputation for intense live performances and the Vales
front man Finn Andrews is with us this morning. Counter Finn,
thank you for being with us.

Speaker 12 (40:18):
Colder Jack, nice to speak with you.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, nice to be speaking with you. So Woe Mad
and the Veils are teaming up for a bit of
a collab right with some classical musicians Amalia Hall, Ashley
Brown and Sony Kim of Ensied Trio. So what's the
what's the plan there? How does that work?

Speaker 6 (40:33):
Yeah, it's a good question. We've played together a couple
of times before in sort of smaller contexts, but they're
just the most amazing musicians I've ever played with, I think,
and they can kind of do anything you ask of them.
So it's been a lot of fun coming up with
new ways to sort of expand on the Veils. And yeah,

(40:56):
it's and this is this is the first time I've
done it with the full Veils band though as well.
I've kind of done it playing solo with them, but
this is the full band with them as well, So
it's going to be a pretty.

Speaker 12 (41:08):
Raucous affair.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yes, okay, is it going to be raucous? That was
going to be my next question, because when you hear
you know, classical musicians getting involved, you think, oh, it's
probably less likely to be raucous, but that's not necessarily
the case.

Speaker 6 (41:20):
I think it gives you the option to, yeah, get
really big and scary, but also get really small and intimate,
which is kind of what the Veils have done on
these records throughout the years. We kind of like to
lean into the extremes. So yeah, it kind of it

(41:42):
just intensifies that even more. I think it's going to
be really full on and really yeah and really quiet
intimate as well.

Speaker 12 (41:51):
That's that's the plan anyway.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Because and I'm going to get to Esfidels in a
couple of minutes, which I think you have been recording
it around here lately, and I think for Esfidels you
also brought in some strings and some classical elements, right,
So I'm getting the sense that in the last couple
of years, between your solo work and the stuff with
the Veils, you have really kind of leaned into classical

(42:14):
influences and classical contributions. Is that is that a fair assessment.

Speaker 6 (42:19):
I suppose We've We've always used a lot of strings
in our records. I've always loved that part of it.
This kind of you know, you work on these things
for years and then on the last day in the
studio you get to bring in these incredible players and
this whole other texture gets brought in, and I feel
like that's always been a part I've really enjoyed. Actually,

(42:39):
and one of the great discoveries of moving back to
New Zealand a few years ago was Victoria Kelly, who
wrote all the arrangements for this record and the two previous,
and that's kind of how I got linked up with
the end A trio. So yeah, it's something I've always enjoyed.
But I guess meeting Victoria, who's been a real kind

(43:00):
of collaborator on these last few records, it's kind of
maybe gotten more more and more dream.

Speaker 12 (43:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
How has it been from a creative perspective coming home?

Speaker 12 (43:12):
It's been great.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
New Zealand's always been such a huge part of my life.
I think I often ran away back here when I
was living in London for.

Speaker 12 (43:20):
That twenty years.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Do you call the time oh very much?

Speaker 12 (43:24):
So now? Yeah, yeah, I was.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
I was sort of I don't know, I don't know
if I ever felt truly at home in London, but
I've kind of always bounced between the two places, so
they both have a place in my life. But I've
had a child now as well, and we're very much
sort of settled here, so it feels it feels very homely.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, populations, and from a creative perspective as well, it's
a nourishing place to be.

Speaker 12 (43:51):
Oh it is.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
I mean I've always felt very fortunate to have this
place in my life, and I think it's always been.
There's a lot of sort of landscapes in our songs
and or at least I can I feel like I
can see a lot of landscapes in them, and they've
always been New Zealand once. That seems to just, yeah,
be carrying on as well.

Speaker 17 (44:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Right, it's twenty years since the Veils debut record, or
it's likely more n twenty twenty one years. No one's counting, don't.

Speaker 12 (44:16):
Worry, Oh dear me.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
But I saw that you said you felt a bit,
you felt kind of a bit of an existential kind
of feeling when reflecting on the Runaway found and the
time that's passed since. Is that something you've been afflicted
by or struck by?

Speaker 6 (44:34):
Yeah, I mean I'm prone to those sorts of a
little I don't know existential dread from time to time
as it is, but someone uploaded.

Speaker 12 (44:41):
A picture of all of our.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
Records like in a row. I've never really seen them
all together before. I think that was the beginning of, Yes,
this sort of.

Speaker 12 (44:52):
These feelings.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
I mean, yeah, tell me about that. It seems like
a pretty simple thing to have not first of all,
to have not seen for that seems like quite a
simple trigger.

Speaker 12 (45:02):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 6 (45:03):
It's weird, right you kind of. I mean, it's been
the beautiful part of having a long hit or you know,
twenty years, I guess there's a long time and having
your life sort of marked with these records, Like each
record just reminds me of this very specific point in
my life and the first record I made when I was,

(45:23):
you know, sixteen or whatever. It's kind of all of
these songs from my adolescents that are just sort of
still there and you can just sort of dip back
into them, and it's a very odd feeling. It's not
something you think about when you're starting. I suppose that
your life will be marked in this way. But it's
a beautiful part of it. Yeah, but occasionally it does
get a bit overwhelming. Youse of Oh god, I've been

(45:46):
doing this quite a long time.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Now, because you guys took a break for a couple
of years and you were doing a bit of your
solo work and then you join them back up together
and recording music performing live. How important do you think
that little spell, a little bit of time a part
has been in, you know, in the kind of process
for you guys continuing develop to develop from here.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
Yeah, it was important, I think. Yeah, through all the
COVID times, you know, everyone kind of took this time
out from what they did. I yeah, I think you're
always trying to find the worth in what you do,
and it's a hard thing sometimes to maintain that you
kind of Yeah, I think I've found that again. And

(46:32):
all these various people, as they say that I've been
collaborating with that's really revitalized it. And such amazing musicians
over here. Yeah, I think, Yeah, you have to keep
finding the thing that makes you fall in love with
it again and keep keep wanting to do it. So far,
I've always you know, you're always kind of monkey swinging

(46:54):
from one thing to the next.

Speaker 17 (46:55):
Year.

Speaker 6 (46:55):
So far, so far, there's always been a vine in
front of me which I'm grateful for.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
That's a very good analogy. What was it like when
you guys, you know, after the kind of COVID times
got back together and started performing live again. Did you
feel did it kind of feel like you'd reset a bit,
or did it feel like you you know, was there
a rush that perhaps might not have been there otherwise.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
Yeah, I think it was. I mean, just since I
was sixteen, I'm just towed and towed and towed all
around the world constantly, and so that little break it
was nice to come back to it fresh, and that
tour we did in Europe last year was one of
the best times of my life. I think, sort of
coming back into that world again. And I guess you
you know, you forget anyone kind of cares about what

(47:41):
you do after a while as well when you're out
of it, and it was nice just to remember that
this is important to a few people, and that's, you know,
kind of the most motivating force in the whole thing.
So yeah, that felt amazing to be back over there
and all these venues. You know, I really have spent
all of my adult life in these venues, so I

(48:02):
feel and all the people you know that you meet
in these places over the years, I'd really missed.

Speaker 12 (48:07):
All of them. So yeah, it was really revitalizing.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Oh fantastic. So tell us what you can abouts Fidel's
because you've been recording that a round here, right.

Speaker 12 (48:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
We recorded it last year and it's coming out early
next year. It was recorded in four days, so it
was that, by far the fastest thing we've ever done.
The last record took I think four years, so this
was very much a reaction to that, I think, a
kind of antidote to how intense that was. This was
just songs that I'd been working on for a long time,

(48:38):
but we just sort of went in live, played them
with the band and with strings and yeah, so it
has a quality in a directness I hope because of
that that there wasn't any time to faff around with anything.
It's very live feeling, and yeah, I'm really proud of it,
and I'm really pleased. We've got a label now and
everything's lined up for early next year.

Speaker 12 (49:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Oh fantastic. So you're going to be touring Europe from
the very start of next year, from January or so,
and then Womade is in March. Have you been to
Wymad before.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
Yeah, I went in twenty nineteen when I was doing
this sort of solo project.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
All right, Yeah, what was your impression of it? I
always think MOMD is like a it's kind of hard
to describe in a scene, so it is.

Speaker 6 (49:21):
I mean, genuinely, it was one of the most beautiful
festival experiences I've ever had. It was right after Yeah,
oh man, it was such a strange time. It was
a really beautiful weekend and I I'm really happy.

Speaker 12 (49:37):
To get to do it with the band.

Speaker 6 (49:38):
I was sort of doing it and with the solo
thing it was a sort of quieter affair.

Speaker 12 (49:42):
But yeah, as I say.

Speaker 6 (49:44):
I think this will just be the perfect place for
what we're going to do with this show.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, And am I right in thinking you are? As
well as touring with the band, you'd also do some
new solo music pit.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:55):
I mean, I've always got a few irons in the fire,
but right now it's all it's all about the veils again,
and I'm really enjoying being back in that in that world.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Well, we're delighted that you're going to performing at WOMAD.
That is such exciting news. All the very best for
the months in between for the release of Affidels for
your tour through Europe and we look forward to seeing
you performing in March.

Speaker 12 (50:16):
Cheers, Jack, thanks very much, really.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Appreciate your time. That is Fin Andrews, the frontman of
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(50:42):
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Right now, it is nineteen minutes past ten. You with
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Speaker 2 (51:09):
News Talk said, be okay, I know what you're thinking.
Finnandrews from the Veils not only writes amazing music, performs
incredible music. He has such nice diction, doesn't he such
a nice diction? I tell you what, Fin Andrews would
not be saying wolves for the plural of wolves of
a wolf. He would not be saying wolves too right. Anyway,
if you want to get to touch this one in
ninety two, ninety two is our text number jacket, Newstalk

(51:31):
saidb dot co dot nz. Right now, it's twenty two
past ten, which means it's screen Timetime with Tara Awards.
She's our screen time expert with us this time every
week with her recommendations for shows to watch or stream
at home. Got to Tara, good morning. So when I
was a kid, I was a huge OC fan, which
I know is a bit weird. That's kind of like
my secret, you know, my embarrassing show crush kind of thing, right,

(51:55):
you know. And anyway, I remember when the OC was
around that Adam Brody was the one that all the
girls had a crush on. He was a heart throb,
and he sort of disappeared for the last five or
ten years. But now he is back alongside Kristin Bell
in Netflix's Nobody Wants This So tell us about it?

Speaker 14 (52:14):
Yeah, this is a new romantic comedy series. It's just
hit Netflix and as you say, stars Adam Brody and
Kristin Bell as well, who was another star of a
nineteen nineties TV show of Veronica mars So. Kristin Bell
plays a podcaster in this who's a relationship expert. She's
a pretty cynical character. And Adam Brody plays a rabbi
who's just broken up with his girlfriend, much to the

(52:36):
disappointment of his family, and they meet at a dinner
party and it's a case of opposites a tract. The
connection is instant, but obviously, as you would expect with
any good rob coom, there are obstacles in the way
of their love affair, and here it's about culture and
faith and family, and there's a great supporting cast here
as well, of family and friends who all have their
own opinions about this relationship. I like this a lot

(53:00):
because it's a rom com. You know where you are
with this. There's a certain number of boxes that you
want a rom com to tick, and this does all
of that.

Speaker 18 (53:08):
But it also feels.

Speaker 14 (53:08):
Very smart and snappy and funny and fresh. There's great
chemistry between the two leads as well. And it's just
one of those shows that's really easy to watch. It's
not perfect, but it's the kind of show that's easy
to slip into and enjoy and you can just happily
binge your way through all ten episodes.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Cool, Okay, that sounds good. There's nobody wants this. It's
on Netflix, on TV and Z Plus a new season
of From.

Speaker 14 (53:32):
Yees switching tack entirely here. This is From which is
an American horror thriller, and the third season has just
landed on TV and Z Plus. Now, horror is not
a genre of TV that I naturally gravitate towards. It's
a bit too stressful for me. But everyone I know
who watches this kind of TV and who has watched
From has really raved about this show. It's made by

(53:53):
some of the team behind the TV show Lost. Set
in an isolated village where strange things happen at night,
so the villagers aren't safe if they aren't inside their
house at night, and nobody can ever leave the village.
The road just keeps bringing them back to where they
came from. And this is the puzzle of the show.
What is the secret in this town? Who are these
strange people who turn up at night and why can't

(54:15):
anyone ever leave? So it's a mix of horror and
mystery and psychological thriller and you know, but like Lost,
this is a show where lots of weird things will happen,
things won't make sense. There's you know, lots of subplots
that are all connected somehow, but you just kind of
got to roll with it rather than trying to make
sense of it all. You might never get the answers
that you're looking for here. So I think if you're

(54:37):
a fan of something like The Walking Dead, or if
you wish Lost had had a bit more gore and
guts in it, this will be right up your own.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
So that is a great analogy. Do you remember, like,
did you watch Lost live? Sorry this is a slight digression,
but do you watch Lost live when it was on
back in the day.

Speaker 14 (54:53):
I don't think I did, but I know a lot
of people were really unhappy with how it finished because
they didn't get all the answers that they.

Speaker 18 (54:59):
Were looking for.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
I feel like I invested five good years of my
life in that program and I and I mean really deeply.
I've watched it every week and this is back before streaming,
So you're watching the TV live, you know, seven thirty
on Tuesday night or whatever. You'd sit down and watch
the TV. I used to watch them and go, oh
my gosh, I can't believe this. I can't believe this development.
And I always be like, how are they going to
explain this? How are they going to explain this? And

(55:21):
then at the end it was like, oh no, They're
just not going to explain it. Yeah, still wasted, profoundly
unsatisfying anyway. So that's from That's on TV. So if
you love being unsatisfied by scurity shows, then you're gonna
love from It's on TV and Z Plus. I'm joking,
I'm being facetious, a show that I know will be
deeply satisfying though, starring New Zealand's own Beyonce and Jay,

(55:44):
Scotty and Stacy Morrison on TV and Z plus tell
Us about National Treasures.

Speaker 14 (55:49):
Yeah, this is a really really lovely local TV documentary
series that started on Tuesdays on TV ands one a
couple of weeks ago. But it's also on TVNZ Plus
if you want to catch up. And as you say,
it's hosted by Scotty and Stacey Morrison, both National Treasures themselves,
I think, who are joined by a team of experts
and it's a show that showcases different historical items and

(56:10):
tunga from New Zealand history, and each of them tells
a story that shows us who we are in lots
of really fascinating ways. And this season there's everything from
an iron lung to Ruby Tey's World cup metal to
the puppet thingy. You know, it's a really a mix
of objects. And what I think this show does really
beautiful beautifully is showcase how an ordinary, everyday item can

(56:33):
be so special and important and how it has this
unique history behind it that reflects who we were at
a certain point in time. And it's the human stories
with these objects that really bring them, these treasures to life.

Speaker 7 (56:45):
Again.

Speaker 14 (56:46):
It's emotional, it's uplifting. I just think it's a show
that everyone in New Zealand should watch.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Oh fantastic Okay, So that is National Treasures on TVNZ
plus Atara Before you go, it would be remiss of
us not to mention very sad news from the UK
overnight after an incredible life the death of Oscar winning
British actor Maggie Smith of Downtown Abbey. Of course it's
a bit of sad news.

Speaker 14 (57:09):
Ah, absolutely, and what an icon.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
I mean.

Speaker 14 (57:12):
I loved her in Downton Abbey, my kids loved her,
and Harry Potter. She's kind of you know, means so
much to so many different generations. And just you know,
we're talking about national treasures. She's a British national treasure,
I think, And yeah, just left such a beautiful legacy
on TV for us all too. Yeah, it's a treasure.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
I totally agree. In fact, I've got a quote here
from King Charles. He put out a little statement before
he said this quite quote. My wife and I were
deeply sad and to learn of the death of Dave
Maggie Smith. As the curtain comes down on a national treasure,
we join all those around the world and remembering with
the fondest admiration and affection her many great performances, who
warmth and wit shone through both on and off the stage.

(57:51):
So that's nice. Yeah, yeah, Hey, thanks, Tarah, really good
to chat. Tara Ward is our screen time expert. Her
picks for us this week Nobody Wants This That's on Netflix,
from is on TV and Z Plus and National Treasures
that's the one with Stacey and Scotti that is also
on TV Plus. It's just coming up to ten thirty.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks by
Folly here.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
A Budger.

Speaker 15 (58:29):
Would you.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Just tal I feel like we're just turning back the
hands of time this morning on Newstalks EB don't turn
it down, baby, this is snow Patrol and chasing cars.
Do you remember when this was on the last episode
of Gray's Anatomy. That was a mad emotional time that
was heavy. There was some deep stuff. Anyway, Snow Patroller back.

(58:58):
They've got a brand new album and get this, it's
put them back at number one for the first time
in eighteen years. A lot has happened in the six
years since the last Snow Patrol album. The band became
a trio. Front man Gary Lightbody received an OBE for
Services to music. Guitaris Nathan Conley released a solo album,

(59:18):
and band all rounder Johnny McDade has written pop mega
hits for the likes of Ed Sheeran, Keith Urban, Sewan Mendez,
Calie Clarkson and Alisha Keys. Anyway, they've got a new album.
It's called The Forest is the Path. It's their eighth
studio album, And after eleven o'clock we're gonna have a
bit of a listen before midday, we will make sure

(59:40):
I'll do my very best to be a bit more
organized with my timing so that we've got time to
play a couple of songs from that Snow Patrol album,
because I know a lot of people will be really
excited about that as well as that after eleven o'clock
this morning, Leanne Moriarty has a brand new book. Yes,
she of Big Little Lies, Nine Perfect Strangers, Apple's Never
Fall Fame. She's got a brand new book. Our book

(01:00:01):
reviewer has just read it, so she's going to give
us her thoughts on that, plus all the details. Right now,
it is twenty seven minutes to eleven.

Speaker 9 (01:00:09):
All the big.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Names are wrong, the mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 19 (01:00:13):
The confirmation that Liam Lawson has made it to F
one in his own seat, his own drive.

Speaker 12 (01:00:18):
Liam Lawson is with us.

Speaker 19 (01:00:19):
I assume you have some idea of how thrilled we
all are for you. All we can do is wish
you the very very best and think it's just magnificent news.

Speaker 20 (01:00:26):
Thank you, and everybody listening, and so everybody who's stuck
with me for all the years leading up to this,
thank you, because obviously it's a huge journey, and for me,
this is what I've dreamed of doing since I was
a kid. So obviously now we have another amounts to
climb going into the season and hopefully driving next year
as well. Hopefully this is the start of fall on
for me. But I just want to say thank you
to everybody because I appreciate it a lot.

Speaker 19 (01:00:45):
Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Jaguary News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Twenty four to ten on News Talk ZEDB, we've been
lamenting the film Wolfs and its choice of wolf's as
opposed to wolves this morning, well, the very least I
have and the incorrect use of s there for the
plural and not the or of f s and not
the lv es wolves. Anyway, feel like if you are
okay with wolves, then you're probably the kind of person

(01:01:12):
who's okay with saying daylight savings as well as opposed
to daylight saving. Daylight saving tomorrow, of course, springtime is
upon us, and so before eleven o'clock, Rouge Climb passed
our man in the garden is going to be here
with his spring planting tips right now, though, it's time
to catch up with our texpert, Paul Stenhouse is here.
Kill to Paul. Good morning, Jat. Okay, every time they

(01:01:34):
have tried to introduce some techno glasses, some wearable that
you put on your face in the digital age, it
always seems to fail. So explain to me why you reckon.
Maybe our next smartphone is going to be on our face.

Speaker 7 (01:01:48):
Yes, so Meta actually has made kind of these face glasses,
if you will, kind of cool, right, Okay, may have
some glasses. Okay, here, So I have a friend of mine,
he's got the Meta ray Van sunglasses and he really
likes them because they have an inbuilt speaker, and so
you can be wearing your sunglasses and listening to your

(01:02:10):
music and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
They're right there.

Speaker 7 (01:02:12):
Now, does he use the camera that's built in?

Speaker 10 (01:02:14):
Does he use the ai?

Speaker 7 (01:02:15):
Okay, no, he uses it to listen to music. But
it's a very good gateway, right because Bitter does believe that, yes,
the future of our phone as it is now will
we will wear it and we won't be looking at
a screen, but the screen will just be embodied into
our every day, and we'll be seeing holograms of information,

(01:02:37):
maybe even avatars of our friends and colleagues, and of
course Jack right there at our beacon core will be
voice access to some AI two.

Speaker 15 (01:02:46):
And I will say that I know that.

Speaker 7 (01:02:49):
We've talked about this for a long time, and I
will say the tech this time actually looks pretty good.
First of all, I think the glasses actually look reasonably attractive.
We're in a Google glass. They didn't look attraction that
these ones, though reasonably lightweight. They have a projection screen
that's a high enough quality you can actually do things

(01:03:09):
like a video call on it, right, And they've got
some pretty cool tech around it as well, including a
wristband that you put on kind of looks like a
fitbit without a screen or something like that, and it
interprets your hand signals so you can do actions and gestures.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:03:24):
These new glasses that Meta has teased us and said
these are going to be the future, the costing Meta
ten thousand dollars each to produce, So.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
We're not the okay, okay, but they do believe that
we are on the path.

Speaker 7 (01:03:39):
And I guess if you want to toaste the future,
I guess the rayband sunglasses are the way to go
for right now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So what we're going to do is
we'll put a photo up online so that people can
have a bit of a look. They do have a
slight kind of Poindextery quality. The frames obviously, the fiddle
of that technology inside them, the frames kind that gay.
They come pretty chunky, a little Clark kink. Yes, they are.
That's a that's a really good way. That's a really
good way to put it. So what sort of time

(01:04:06):
frame would we be talking if this was to be
if these were to be produced for the masses, when
do you reckon you know, it might be in a
slightly more attainable price range.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Yes, I think we're a.

Speaker 7 (01:04:17):
Good couple of years away from this, right Yeah. Yeah,
ten thousand dollars down to like one thousand dollars I
think is going to take a little bit of time. Yeah,
But Mark Sucondburg made a really funny point. Actually, he
thought that the technology to do the kind of projection
and the holograms and all that stuff would be before
the AI, and it's actually turned out to be the

(01:04:37):
other way around.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
The AI has managed to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Beat interesting the other piece. Yeah, Okay, oh that's really interesting. Now,
will a wildfire take out your dream home in the US.
Now you can go to the kind of the American
equivalent of one Roof and find out.

Speaker 12 (01:04:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:04:54):
So Zillo is the website over here that people go to,
and Zillo has been a real leader.

Speaker 10 (01:04:59):
They have they're going to be called.

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
A zestamate, which is where they you know, work out
based on market conditions and demand and other homes and
all that good stuff home is worth. But now they're
trying to figure out what could happen to your home,
both in terms of climate disasters and your insurance cost
over time. So it's going to look at your risk
score for things like wildfires and flooding.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Wow, high winds and poorer quality.

Speaker 7 (01:05:25):
So fun stat This hasn't rolled out quite yet. They're
on the process of rolling it out. It should be
rolled out before the end of the year. But of
all of the new listings that they added in August,
sixteen percent we're at a major risk of a wildfire
and thirteen percent we're a major risk of flooding. So
I think the insurance is going to get a little
more expensive over time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
This yeah, yeah, that's remarkable. Okay, cool, Hey, thank you
so much, Paul. We appreciate your time as always, catch us.
That's our Textburt Paul Steamhouse. We have had heaps and
heaps and heaps of feedback this morning, gazillions of texts
and emails regarding working from home standards, but also regarding
Liam Lawson this week.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
And I know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
A lot has been said about what he has achieved,
but it is really just such a remarkable achievement that
I think it's worth luxuriating in that and pausing to
reflect on it a bit more. We'll do that after
eleven o'clock this morning. But Karen's fickless. The note to
say Jack, Liam Lawson is an outstanding individual, a young
man with resilience and bucket loads. What a tough environment,
and you've got to remember that he's still not making

(01:06:27):
gazillions of dollars. He needs to succeed and will be
under pressure from day one. He'll certainly be under massive pressure.
There's something that strikes me sometimes about motorsport races as well,
and I wonder if it's just the nature of the
sport and what you need to do to succeed. In
New Zealand, most of them. I'm sure it's not all
of them, but most of them are just so nice

(01:06:49):
in person. I wonder if that's because from the day
they sat down in front of a steering wheel they
have always relied on the support of others that've relied
on sponsors and that kind of thing to get anywhere
near competitive environment. That you know that that they are
really aware of the importance of gratitude. I don't know,

(01:07:11):
there's some there's something there, There's there's a there's a
quality there that I think a lot of in my
experience at the very lest a lot of a lot
of motors bought races seem to have and certainly Liam
Lawson has that kind of He's humble, but also yeah,
you know, very very personable individual. Anyway, we're going to
reflect on that incredible achievement a little bit more after
eleven o'clock. Right now, it is eighteen to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
NB order to eleven on News Talks ZB. It's this
time on Saturdays that we catch up with doctor Brian
Betty to talk health in this morning, we are looking
at abdominal hernias. Golder, Brian, Good.

Speaker 21 (01:07:53):
To have you with us, Oh cure Jack Wells be here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Yeah, let's start off with the basics. So what exactly
is an abdominal hernia.

Speaker 21 (01:08:01):
Yeah, Look, it's where the abdominal cavity, which is where
the stomach or the tummy sits. It's an internal part
of the body which pushes through a weak part of
your abdominal muscle wall. So usually in a bit of
the intestine just pokes through where the muscle wall at
the front of your stomach becomes a bit weak. Now,
this creates a lump that you can often feel. Now,

(01:08:24):
they're really really common, very common in men. We think
up to twenty to twenty five percent a menu at
some point in their lives may have one. And they
can occur at any age, from sort of baby to
our adults around elderly. Now, there's several different kinds. There's
ones that are at the lower part of the abdomen.
They poke into the groin, so the intestine pokes into
the groin and we call that an anguine or hernia,

(01:08:47):
and sometimes that actually pokes into the scrotum and it
can cause a lump. They can poke into the top
of the leg. We call that ephemeral or the front
of the abdomen or the stomach and around the umbilical
umbilical or the belly button in particular, and we call
that a ventral hernia. So you will find a little
lump that starts to poke out there. So they really

(01:09:09):
really common occur around the abdomen and they cause these
little lumps of people start to notice.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Yeah, they sound really uncomfortable. Unfortunately, not of experience one
that I know plenty of people who have over the years.
What causes them?

Speaker 21 (01:09:22):
Right, Yeah, look, so lots of different things. So, look,
if you're carrying a bit of extra weight and you're overweight,
that tends to put extra pressure on the muscles around
the abdomen, and that can weaken them and cause a
her neit to call call a curb. You know, if
you cough or sneeze a lot again, that puts pressure
on the abdomen and can cause a weakness to develop. Constipation,

(01:09:44):
interestingly enough, can cause it. So if you're straining to
pass bowel motions, that can cause the stomach wall weakness
and actually pregnancy is the other one. So look, if
you're pregnanty carrying baby, that puts a lot of pressure
on the abdomen. Now, the other big, big one is
actually work, So lifting the wrong way. So you suddenly
lift something, you suddenly tear the muscle wall and the

(01:10:07):
hernia develops. And that's a really really common way of
these occurring. And in those cases it's actually covered by
a CCD AT treatments. So yeah, lifting, lifting heavy things
in the wrong way can be a real real problem
with hernia's developing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
I don't expect you to know this. This is a
random question, but I was watching some weightlifting the other day.
You know how the weightlifters put on those belts when
they're about to lift a really heavy weight. Is it
for hernias?

Speaker 21 (01:10:33):
Yeah, so that's one of the reasons I do it.
So I give you extra protection around the walls and
things so that you know you're not really you're not pressure.
Yeah yeah, otherwise pressure builds up and can pop out,
and that's a real problem for weightlifters.

Speaker 12 (01:10:47):
Yeah, okay, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Sorry little digression there. What do we look out for?
And I mean, are they serious?

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
Look?

Speaker 21 (01:10:55):
Look known most of them aren't serious and the commonest
thing I say, we see this commonly in general practice
as GPS, and people will often come in and say, look,
I've just noticed this little lump in my stomach, and
I'll point to where it is. Or the other thing
they complain of is, look, I've just noticed this uncomfortable
feeling or the slight pain, especially when I bend over

(01:11:15):
or sort of lift things. And again people can point
to where exactly it is. And so generally we have
a look for them. And they're very small, and if
you can feel the lump, they often pop out and
you can push them back in so they can come out.
They call reducible. They come out and in, but you
can feel where they actually are. Now, over time they
can become bigger and they can cause more discomfort and

(01:11:38):
they can cause more pain, and in those situations we
need to get them treated. And the one serious thing,
which is quite uncommon, which can occur, the intestine pops
out and you suddenly can't push it back in and
it becomes what we call irreducible. Now, in those situations,
the vowel can twist of it suddenly become very painful,

(01:12:00):
can develop a temperature and very tender to touch, and
in those situations you do need to see a doctor
straight away to get urgent treatment. So that's the one
complication that we do watch out for.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
And what do you do about.

Speaker 21 (01:12:14):
Yeah, So, look, if someone comes in to see me
at the surgery, Look, we take a history and examination,
We examine the patient, look for the hernia. Occasionally we'll
order an ultrasound which shows up the hernia. It's like
a little test we do to see that it's there.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
Now.

Speaker 21 (01:12:30):
Look, if it's very small and not causing any problems,
we just watch and wait. There's no point in doing
anything if it's not causing problems. However, if over time
it becomes bigger, causes a bit more discomfort, bit more pain,
we refer you to a general surgeon to get an operation. Now,
the operations are redd these days, are often done through keyholes,
little laparoscopes, and they put in a number of stitches

(01:12:52):
to seal the muscle wall, or they put in what
we call a mesh to go over the hernia and
stop it happening. So look, very easy to picture general surgery.
Day surgery, you're in and out, the problems fixed. I
suppose the other thing is if they are there. We
often advise people things like, look, don't become constanped increases
your risk. Try to keep the weight off because that

(01:13:14):
increases the risk. And actually be really really careful with
lifting heavy weights like your weightlifter h real cliping Ben
with your knees, not with your back.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Okay, hey, thank you very much, Brian, appreciate that as always,
doctor Brian bending Jack. Weightlifters also use the belt so
they can embrace their abdominal muscles against something like pushing out.
You can tell that I don't do a lot of weightlifting.
I guess you've never bumped into me on the street.
That it's not gonna come as a huge surprise. Right
now is nine minutes to eleven. Rude climb past is
planting spring planting for us next.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
With still sharp don't miss their biggest spring sail ever.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
It is slowly getting warmer. Well we're officially in spring.
Daylight saving is tomorrow. That means that the chances of
frost are rapidly diminishing in our man in the gardener's
Rude climb past here with the springtime planting tip scald
to serve.

Speaker 15 (01:14:05):
Hey, good morning, and and yeah I can imagine those
biceps of yours.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
It's just I yeah, I sometimes just catch it, you know,
sadly catch an image of myself in a mirror and
I'm just like, wow, that's so unimpressive.

Speaker 15 (01:14:22):
Yeah is that all?

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:14:25):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I go the other way for me,
it's like God, is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
There is Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:14:32):
Hey, I've just thought i'd chuck a few plants together
that high on my list that I'm going to be
looking at for printing for planting now, and also a
couple of bugs that we need real care at the moment.
So let's start off with noodle kaka, which is the
kakabak from if you like tough, sort of gismonde area,

(01:14:53):
if you like, yeah, fabulous plant, actually absolutely brilliant. It's
the plant that James Cook saw when he went towards
towards then part of the of the of the of
the globe, and he saw it flowering all over the mountains.
It's gorgeous red and it attracts nectivorous birds. Honestly it

(01:15:15):
is if you want birds in the garden too, this
is the one to use, I suppose, because you get
all these creatures coming to you and they say, oh,
thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:15:21):
Nutu kaka brilliant to.

Speaker 15 (01:15:23):
Eat, always good. So that's number one. Second one is
because I used to be a trustee of Project Crimson.

Speaker 12 (01:15:30):
Do you remember that lot, Well.

Speaker 15 (01:15:33):
They were the people that actually saved Potagawa from up
north and and Putagawa, of course, belongs to the genus Metrosideros,
which means iron hearted tree. The wood is so hard
that they used to make all sorts of ships and
ship parts from it. It's that hart. But anyway, there's
a little metro cedros called Carminia which is a really

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beautiful red shrub if you like. And it has small
versions of potakaua flowers as den as poutakawa but flowering
right now. And there's some strange thing about that Comenia Jack,
and that is that when you use seeds, you will
get climbers. See you get a climbing rata if you like.

(01:16:18):
And if you take cuttings you get shrubs. They are
a bit lower of course.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:16:25):
Another cool one, and this is not a native, is
Verea tuba or rhododendron tuba, which is a creature from
the Papua New Guinea and it's one of the most
smelly rhododendrons, you can have. It's gorgeous. Just leave it
at that. Let's go to the bugs. Lemon tree borer
is on the wing. Now I've talked about this before,

(01:16:47):
I do it so every time at this time of
the year, no more pruning citrus trees because when you
make a cut in a citrus treet, those little borers
or big bora beetles, they will lay eggs on the
cut and they can get in, and that means that
these larvae will literally make huge tunnels in the lemon tree.
So this is your your way. Don't do it now,

(01:17:09):
do it again later on after it's all done in autumn.
So that's important. And finally it's time now because the
apples are flowering for coddling moth control med x three
m A d E X three is the only material
that really works well. And it is actually a virus

(01:17:30):
that kills the caterpillars of those of those moths. So
it's completely organic.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
So it's important.

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Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Hey, thanks very good, get you enjoy your weekend Road
Climb Past in the garden. It's almost eleven o'clock. News
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d B. Thank you for being with us this Saturday morning.
We've got a big hour, big hour coming up for you,
so I'm going to carve out time. I've promised to
carve out times and we can have a bit of
a listen to Slow Patrol's latest album. It's the first
time they've been top of the Pops, top of the
charts in eighteen years. The album's called The Forest Is
the Path. Sounds catch enough from the bits I've heard,
but it would be really nice to listen to a

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couple of songs. So that's on me and I'll do
my best as well as that. The latest from Leanne Moriarty.
She's just published the latest book and our book reviewer
Kathin Rains has been reading that she's going to give
us her thoughts on Leanne Moriarti's latest very shortly right
now though it is eight minutes past eleven, Jack Tay
in time to catch up with our sustainability commentator Kate

(01:19:09):
Hall aka Ethically Kate more Dinna Lena, how's it going
very well? Thank you very well. Hey. This morning, we're
taking a closer look at the benefits of living more sustainably,
not just on the Earth, but on your mental health.
So because the thing is that, yeah, being a bit
more sustainable, you reckon, isn't just good for the planet Earth,
it's good for our heads as well. So let's run

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through some of the key benefits as you see them.
Why would you say that living more sustainably is better
for your mental health?

Speaker 17 (01:19:40):
So I can only obviously speak from my own personal experience,
and it's very topical being Mental Health Awareness Week. It
always reminds me. Yeah, it always reminds me when I think,
you know, what are the things are the good for
my mental health? You know what when do I feel best?
And they're always sustainable living habits. And I think osten
we took about sustainable living is you know it takes

(01:20:02):
something away, or it's a strain in your mental health,
or you know, it can be a real kind of
downer when you chat about it. But but having lived
you know, my lived reality is that that's a few
kind of the main things, and hopefully other people probably
have a long list too. But slowing down, I think
for me that whole awareness piece around, Okay, like where

(01:20:24):
is my food from? Like why am I going to
buy this?

Speaker 7 (01:20:27):
What?

Speaker 18 (01:20:28):
You know?

Speaker 17 (01:20:28):
What am I doing? Am I doing this just because
everyone else does this? Or am I doing this because
it is good for the planet?

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
It is good for me.

Speaker 17 (01:20:36):
I've definitely felt that that, Yeah, there's benefits of slowing
down and reconnecting and asking about your why is so
much better. You're not just in this kind of rat
race of I'm going to do this because it's busy.
I've got to you know, I've got to do this
because my friend brought that at the moor.

Speaker 15 (01:20:54):
And I got to go.

Speaker 17 (01:20:54):
You know, like, yeah, you slow down and you're kind
of Yeah. For me, I just find this big kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
That's mindful, you know, there's mind yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:21:05):
And I think you know, when we think about sustainable
living too, you can't kind of really connect to with, okay,
what's better for the planet without spending time outside. Right,
So for a lot of people. You know, I spend
a lot more time outside having living more sustainably because
you know, I'll ride my bike. The other day, I
was like, oh, it's a little bit cloudy and I've

(01:21:27):
got to get quite a few things, so maybe I'll
take the car. And I was kind of rationalizing taking
the car to a place where, you know, it's probably
only seven cometers away. So I ended up taking my bike,
and honestly, I came back feeling so much better mentally,
like in my in my spirits, just from having been
outside and the fresh air. Like mean people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Preaching to the converter on that one, I just I reckon,
Like I reckon, there is so much to be said
for just feeling the elements on your face. Yeah, Like
so riding or or walking to work, even if it's
not a very good day, it's so good. It kind
of especially if you've got to go to work and
it's kind of part of your commute, it just helps you.

(01:22:12):
It really helps you kind of reset and refresh at
the end of the day. You know, I could say
I think it's.

Speaker 17 (01:22:16):
Greatly it's so so good. I think also, you know,
if you think about kind of the key sustainable living
elements is it's less living life alone. You find yourself
more in spaces of shared community and with people. You know,
if you think about like the Auckland Library of Tools,
you know, people are there to get a tool, to

(01:22:37):
borrow it so they don't have to you know, buy it,
or they could even borrow it, so they are testing
it out first, and they're going there to engage with
those people there rather than just kind of an individual
moment at a shop. I even think about like repair
cafes and the connections I see there. People bring kai,
they share it. You know, they come away with a
fixed item, but they also come away with that sense

(01:22:59):
of community and kind of resilience, which I think unless
you're having a really bad day and you don't want
to talk to anyone, which you know, I'm not saying
I always want to talk to people too, but you
generally come away.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
With creativization benefit as well. You feel you feel part
of a community that I reckon that's a few one
we can we can not set one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
Up, yeap.

Speaker 17 (01:23:21):
That's good. And I think probably the kind of final
key one is when you're living more sustainably like it
can feel you know, you're doing all these little actions, right,
and they're not necessarily changing the world, but you're you're
by doing those actions, you're showing yourself. No, I actually
can make a difference. I actually can do something, and

(01:23:42):
I'm actually choosing to do something, no matter how big
of a difference it's going to make. And I think
in a world where you know, there's all this negative
news and everything feels heavy and it can just, yeah,
feel quite defeated, understanding that you can make a difference
in combating eco anxiety by doing all these little sustainable things.

(01:24:02):
It's just so so helpful from mental health rather than
that parallelized kind of well, I can't do anything, so
I'm just gonna not.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
You know, that despair. Yeah, do you think that's a
generational thing? Like, do you think that younger people in particular,
you know, are more inclined to feel a kind of
a bit of a state of despair about the climate
and about you know, other kind of geopolitical things and
war and that kind of stuff, or you know, do
you think that, you know, people of different generations can

(01:24:33):
get that same benefit.

Speaker 17 (01:24:36):
I think I think all generations can get the same benefits.
But I do think you know, even from interviews and
research out there, there is younger generations are feeling a
lot more because you know, they are kind of new
to this planet and looking at the trajectory of what
their kind of adult lives will look like. And I
think there's a lot more kind of education and awareness

(01:24:57):
now in our schools and media around is that we
you know, we need to be acting and we need
to be doing better. So that's kind of of yeah,
potentially a bit more weighted from the younger generations. But
you know, I see and you know, even my parents
who do some great kind of sustainable living elements of

(01:25:18):
their life, and I think, you know, for them, that
helps them feel better mentally about knowing okay, you know,
for future generations and you know, for families you know
and beyond, they'll, yeah, they feel they'll feel better like
they're doing something rather than kind of letting your mental
health just kind of slide into the pit of despair,
which I have exactly being practive and you know I

(01:25:41):
have my days, right, We all have our days where
you can just feel but yeah, heavy, But honestly, what
gets me out of it is knowing, you know, I
can actually do something and even if you know, we
find out that none of us this does matter. At
least it's making my mental health feel better, and at
least it is making the you know, even my own
small world a better place.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Yeah, very good, Hey, thank you so much, Kate. You
can find Kate Hall on all of the social media platforms.
She has a raging Instagram account, not as an angry,
just as an active and good and so you can
find it by searching ethically Kate. And of course everything
from our show, all the good stuff, all of our recommendations,
film picks and music reviews, TV shows to watch and stream,

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Speaker 5 (01:26:52):
Last week I knew you were going to bring this up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
I just knew it. Do you know, when I was
watching the game of me in the first fifteen minutes,
I was like, man, you know, once again, I've just
absolutely blown mister Yardley out of the water. Here, We're
going to put sixty points on these guys. And then
of course they just clought it back. And by the
end of the game, I was like, oh, ow proved

(01:27:15):
to be very very close.

Speaker 9 (01:27:16):
Indeed, yeah, yeah, I think I said five so I
wanted to exactly bull's eye.

Speaker 13 (01:27:21):
So yeah, but still close enough.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
I mean I think, yeah, it's certainly a lot closer
than I was predicting last week. So so what does
that mean for tonight? Does that mean you're you're gonna
don't tell me, You're going to rest on your laurels
and just let that be that.

Speaker 13 (01:27:35):
Well, despite the curse of the cake tain, I reckon
we will win by twenty five points tonight.

Speaker 12 (01:27:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:27:42):
I think finally we'll put it together.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Yeah, I feel confident you could be right on that one.
I reckon, okay, twenty five points tonight. Anyway, we're focusing
on Singapore this morning, and you are just back from Singapore.
Tell me did you catch the f one?

Speaker 13 (01:27:55):
You could not miss it? I didn't go here for
the IF one. But man lying said he was roaring
last weekend.

Speaker 9 (01:28:01):
Yeah, apparently, Jack.

Speaker 13 (01:28:02):
There were two hundred and fifty thousand internationals in Singapore
for the Grand Prix. Isn't it amazing? That's like what
for Taylor Swift concerts.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Two and twenty thousand?

Speaker 13 (01:28:14):
I know, so massive economic shot in the arm for Singapore.
Heaps of kiwheets. I just heard kiwi xcents wherever I went,
and I caught some of the f one just from
the higher floors of the hotel. Such a head blasting spectacle.
I love the fact that it's at night. That's so
cool for Singapore. But to be honest, I went to

(01:28:36):
Singapore to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Oh well, look, there's nothing wrong with that. I think
that's as good a reason as any that anyone might
make their way to Singapore and their food scene is incredible.
It's all about the hawker centers, right, So how did
they come about?

Speaker 13 (01:28:49):
Well, it's really interesting. It was all about food hygiene.
So if you went back to say to the seventies,
and you went to Singapore, all of those food stores
were on the street and then they were kicked off
the curb side. Through the seventies and early eighties directed
indoors which gave birth to this legend hawker stare culture.
The one exception, Jack would be a place called l'ao

(01:29:12):
Pa set in downtown Singapore. So come night fall that
street does still transform into Starte Street, you know, all
your meat stewers and peanut sauce. But across Singapore there
are one hundred and ten hawker centers. There are the
famous ones like Newton and Maxwell from crazy rich Asians,

(01:29:34):
and they all maintain a rigorous cleaning culture, something I
hadn't previously been aware of. Every three months, each center
closes down and they're all on a different schedule, but
they all have to close down for a forty eight
hour deep clean. So yeah, hygienus key in Singapore.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Yeah, well that's a good thing. It's a really good
thing that the hawker stores have kind of. I mean,
they've entered into legend, haven't they in terms of the
quality of the food They've won the affections of the
Michelin Guide fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Yes.

Speaker 13 (01:30:02):
So Michelin Stars generally are not a warded to food
stores because they seem to think it's unfair on the
priceier restaurant seen if they start handing out stars to
street stores. So what the Michelin inspectors do is because
they regard the hawker cuisine as being so good, they

(01:30:23):
award standout vendors a Michelin Guide Recommendation or a Michelin
Beibe Gourmon Award, which is a special category to recognize
high quality, low priced food. So as you make your
way in Graze from the hawker centers around Singapore, there
are stacks of Michelin decorated food stores to check out,

(01:30:46):
you know, five dollars Michelin recognized meals.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Yeah, oh they're so good. That's a good way to
kind of deal with that little quandary. Can you can
imagine that the thousand dollars ahead restaurants and be getting
a little bit a little bit annoyed Singaporean skewer Stanza
getting in the same Under the Bible of affection, what
signature dishes would you say were your runaway favor?

Speaker 13 (01:31:07):
Oh, it's kind of like trying to pick your favorite child.
But you can never go wrong in Singapore with their
chili crab or their Laxa. I have a huge soft
spot to Singapore's unofficial national dish, which is Hanaese chicken rice.
So it's sliced tender chicken served with fragrant rice, ginger paste,
and a spicy chili sauce. And if you go to

(01:31:29):
Maxwell Food Center that Tien Tien hawks saw or there
has one over Michelin for the Heinees chicken rice. So
they probably displayed their big michelan poaster and they serve
it with a slide of vegetables and the oyster sauce.
It is so good. The other rock star Jack I
have to mention is Charkway towel. Now this is a

(01:31:50):
flat rice noodle dish. Oh my god, it's so good,
isn't it. It's well of good ease. You've got shrimps
in your eggs and sausage and pork laid and bean
sprouts and times and it's all fried and dipped in
soy sauce. I reckon it's the lard. Which it's so delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
It's probably not the first time that that sentence has
been spoken.

Speaker 5 (01:32:14):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
It is just amazing. Yeah, absolutely, anytime I said it
on the menu, I'm like, oh yeah, yeah. Did you
find any new finds on your most recent trip?

Speaker 13 (01:32:26):
Well, I have now tried Stingray for the first time
in my life thoughts, So I thought it might have
been a controversial pod choice, but apparently it's sustainably sourced
in Singapore, and they have this street food dish called
sam Bell Stingray. So the sam Bell is a sauce
made from chili Pepper's shrimp fish sauce, vinegar and ginger,

(01:32:51):
so they just flather that on top of the very soft, delicate,
delicate Stingray meat. It is such an exquisite dish and
it's best served in banana leaves after it's all been barbecued.
Really good.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Yeah, okay, yeah, that's how I mean symbals amazing a it. Yeah,
since I can honestly say I haven't tried to sting
round my life. What about street snacks like curry puffs
and that kind of thing.

Speaker 13 (01:33:17):
Oh, my goodness, Kristy curry puffs they are fantastic. Another
great snack Fujo oyster cakes shaped like a ufo. It's
a rice based batter and it in cases moist minced meat,
chopped oysters, crungy peanuts, and coriander, and they fry them

(01:33:37):
in small batches so that they are super fresh and
you get both that chewy and crispy texture. Is your
monk on them?

Speaker 5 (01:33:44):
That's so good.

Speaker 13 (01:33:45):
I also have just become acquainted Jack with roaty tissue.
So this is like your roaty flat bread, and then
they stretch it to this paper thin thickner. They place
it on a pan and fry it with condensed milk.
So if you head to any coffee shop in Mistle, India,
in Singapore, yeah, whistle up a sweet roaty tissue and

(01:34:10):
they set them on a plate like a giant conical hat.
They are a statement snack.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Ah, that sounds so good. Any other tips for us, Mike,
You'll be surprised.

Speaker 13 (01:34:20):
I'm going to mention McDonald's.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Oh yes i am.

Speaker 13 (01:34:23):
But if you are familiar with Hawaii's doll Whip pineapple lovers, rejoice.
I've got to give a shout out to McDonald Singapore,
who pump out pineapple soft serve for a dollar.

Speaker 5 (01:34:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:34:36):
It's nearly as good as doll whip, and it's a
trusty rejuvenator when that sultry Singapore heat starts to get the.

Speaker 15 (01:34:44):
Better of you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Yeah, oh great option. Okay, that's so good. It's so fun.
Do you know I have not been to Singapore in
thirty years. I haven't set for that side teeing of
important thirty years. But I went here when I was
six years old on my grandparents were living there at
the time, and I can still like it was a

(01:35:05):
it was a really formational experience in terms of or
foundational experience in terms of in terms of food, because
I can still remember the color of the luxes that
my mum was having every day. I can still ride
with the star fruit and you know that the the sugar,
the freshly crushed sugar cane drinks and those kinds of things.

(01:35:26):
You know, it's just one of those ultimate foody kind
of destinations. I think, a we have this combination of
cultures and flavors that just is remarkable.

Speaker 13 (01:35:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's it. I think it's the Malay, the Indian,
the Chinese influence or just colliding.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:35:44):
I just love the fact that Singapore, without sending to
cliche here, it is such a fantastic cosmopolitan experience. They
truly get along with each.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
Other and I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Yeah, it's a wonderful place. Hey, thank you so much, Mike.
We'll make sure that all of Mike's tips for Feasting
your way through Singapore are up and available on the
New Talks the website, and a couple of minutes we're
going to catch up with Jason Pine get his thoughts
on the bleeders Low in Wellington this evening. It's a
big weekend for Wellington. Of course we're to wear of
bl arts on as well. Plus that incredible news with

(01:36:19):
Liam Lawson signing an F one contract becoming a driver
for Red Bull Racing, so we'll catch up with him
in a couple of minutes, and of course before midday
new music for you from Snow Patrol, so we'll get
to that very shortly. Right now, it's twenty eight minutes
past eleven.

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With Jack Tayming this Saturday morning on News Storks ed V.
Jason Pine is counting down the hours to kick off
and the second Letters Low Wellington this evening. Of course,
the All Blacks and the Wallabies and last week's game
was a hell of a watch Piney, but plenty to
improve on for the All Blacks tonight.

Speaker 22 (01:37:30):
Yes, indeed some soaked Wellington I can report, Jack, I'm
already winning around when when is it not? Indeed I
can pick out a couple of days even in the
book in the week past, but we'll let that slide.
Already at the ground, bringing the show to you from
sky Stadium between midday and three. Look, I'm as I
have been for most of this year, very curious to

(01:37:50):
see how the All Blacks go tonight. I think last
week we all thought they were gonna finally put together
that you know, sixty to eighty minute performance when they
were what twenty one mill up or whatever it was
after after fifteen minutes. But you know, again the curse
of the last twenty minutes struck and Australia got a
bit too close for comfort, potentially could have even won
the game. So yeah, looking for a lot more from

(01:38:11):
the All Blacks tonight. A special occasion for a couple
of guys. Sam Kaine plays Test one hundred TJ Pettanada,
likely his final test on home soil, and Caine as
well actually but TJ on his home grounds and a
lot of interesting storylines with a change at first five,
and I guess the relative lack of changes, especially in

(01:38:33):
the filmpact from last week.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
Yeah, so what do you make of what do you
make of the call to start with Bone at ten?

Speaker 15 (01:38:38):
I think.

Speaker 10 (01:38:41):
I like it.

Speaker 22 (01:38:42):
I like Bone and Bart at first five. You know,
I like Damian McKenzie as well, But I just don't
know that he's grabbed that opportunity. And he's been given
the opportunity seven straight tests starts there Jack. You know,
he's certainly been given the keys to the car for
the first seven matches of the year, and I guess
hasn't done quite enough maybe to really secure that spot.

(01:39:02):
And I think it's now it remains a live discussion,
you know, play tonight, and you know, regardless of how
he goes, I think there's still a decision to be
made on those big test matches at the end of
the year England, Island, France and consecutive weeks. Who runs
the cutter the ND? You know, what happens next year?
Is Richie Mooonga coming back? You know, I think Damian
McKenzie probably thought when when Richie left and when Bowden

(01:39:25):
left that he would have a pretty clear run at
the first five jersey. I mean, no one's got the
jersey by right, and like I say, he has been
given the opportunity to lock down the spot and I'm
just not sure that he's done it. So he'll come
off the bench tonight, and maybe maybe that's his role
to play moving forward. You know, his enigmatic sort of
you know, irreverence and ability to to you know, find

(01:39:47):
space where there doesn't seem to be any might be
the strength that he brings to an impact role rather
than a first five.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
So I suppose it just it feels like there is
a bit of lake I quite a lot of chopping
and changing a and the ten debate is one that
we have been having for a while. I know that
Maunger going away has kind of changed the little bit,
but yeah, it does felt to me like a bit
of a strange game to mix it up at ten. Yeah,
you know, yeah, it's yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 22 (01:40:14):
I guess the only other way they could have gone
has gone with the same thing. You know, there's no
other real first five. I mean, they could have gone
left field and brought Harry Plummer in for a test day.
But actually think that would have been quite an interesting
decision as well. But look, I Scott Robertson during the week,
when he was asked about it, said, well, you know,
we had to give vote in a game at some stage.
We had to give him a go at ten at
some stage, and they've clearly chosen tonight. Is that ninety

(01:40:36):
hasn't played in the ten jersey? Yeah, since I'm back
in a twenty twenty two jack.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
So yeah, to see how he goes. So, Liam Lawson,
how are you feeling?

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
How good's this?

Speaker 23 (01:40:44):
So?

Speaker 21 (01:40:44):
So good?

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:40:45):
I mean just we've been waiting and waiting and it
seems to have been coming and it hasn't been coming,
and there have been sort of half suggestions that he's
locked in to have it finally confirmed. I think this
is terrific news. I feel a little bit. I feel
a bit for Daniel Ricardo. I must say, you know,
not Liam Lawson's fault. He's just a young up and
coming driver waiting for a chance. But I'm not sure
it's been dealt with particularly well. And hear hearing Liam

(01:41:07):
himself tell Mike Hoskin yesterday morning that he's known for
a couple of weeks which predates the Singapore Grand Prix,
where Daniel Ricardo said at that time he didn't know,
and that was a week after Apparently Liam Lawson k
youw so just tell the truth. If you're Christian, wanna
just tell the truth. Just say to Daniel Recardo, hey,
you know what, We're going to make a change. But
look for Liam outstanding and gee a Keiwi in Formula

(01:41:30):
one doesn't have him very often, Jack will be. We'll
be keeping our eyes on him for the rest of
this year. Feels us though. If he does well for
the rest of this year, then the seat says for
twenty twenty five as well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Yeah, I think so turned all right? What's on the serow?

Speaker 14 (01:41:41):
All right?

Speaker 22 (01:41:41):
Well, Carlos Spencer, he knows what it's like to be
an enigmatic First five?

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
What's he made of d mac Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:41:46):
After one?

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
If he's ever thrown an errand.

Speaker 22 (01:41:47):
Pass from time to I think he knows he has.
After one o'clock, one of the greats, John Eels on
the show. You know he kicked He kicked a winning
penalty in the very first Test match here at Sky
Stadium to beat the All Blacks in two thousand and
it's also AFL Grand Final Day today. Let's not forget
at the mcg so after two Eddie McGuire is going
to have a chat to us.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Oh nice sticking for to that well, thank you Piney.
Forward to this afternoon. Jason Pine behind the mic, live
from Wellington this afternoon, counting down to the All Blacks
and Wallaby's second Leader's low test this evening. Of course
the call live on News Talks. He'db just after seven tonight.
Right now it is twenty four minutes to twelve. We've
got your book picks for the weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
Next. No better way to kick off your weekend than
with Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
Saturday Mornings with Jack TA and bepure dot co dot
Nz for high quality supplements, News Talks, NB.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
News Talks EDB. It is twenty one minutes to twelve.
Time to capture with our book reviewer Katherine rains Gelder. Morning, Jack,
you got two fantastic reads for us this morning, two
great books to recommend. Let's start off with the latest
from Richard Osmond tell us about We Solve Murders.

Speaker 18 (01:42:49):
So this is a new detective series from him.

Speaker 23 (01:42:52):
So he's the author of the Thursday Murder Club, which
is gaining real traction as a great series. And in
this series though you had met Steve Weader. He's a
retired cop, does a bit of local investigation. He's very
good at pub quizzz. He's a bit of a puzzle expert.

Speaker 18 (01:43:06):
A good point.

Speaker 23 (01:43:07):
He's still grieving the fact that his wife, Debby, died
a couple of years ago, and he has this great
bond with his daughter in law, a woman called Amy.

Speaker 18 (01:43:15):
And Amy's quite an unusual character.

Speaker 23 (01:43:16):
She works in private security and she's a very experienced
bodyguard and she protects highly important people. And she's very
calm and very calculating, and she's very good at keeping
her emotions at bay. And she's currently working on a
private island off the coast of South Carolina and she's
guarding an author author, a woman called Rosie. And then
a dead body washes up with a bag of money

(01:43:38):
it's found on the yacht and Amy starts to get
involved in this, and she calls her father in law, Steve,
for help, and they end up on this trip around
the world.

Speaker 18 (01:43:46):
Rosie's trying to help out as well.

Speaker 23 (01:43:47):
They're trying to solve some murders, so they're in South
Carolina and England, Saint Lachera and Ireland and Subai, and
all sorts of things are going on. There's social media influences,
there's money laundering. Amy looks like she's about to be
framed for murder and there's a target on her back.
But it is a really delightful read. The characters a
lovable even the kind of obnoxious ones. That's not overly complicated,

(01:44:10):
and there're one or two twists, but it's just one
of those very well written cozy murder type books, and
Richard Osmond does it superbly well.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Nice. Okay, Next up a book I know will have
had a lot of hype and we'll have many of
our listeners extremely excited the latest from Leanne Moriarty. She
have big little lies fame, tell us about here one moment.

Speaker 18 (01:44:32):
So in this she looks at.

Speaker 23 (01:44:34):
Free will and destiny and grief and that struggle to
maintain certainly and controlled in a very uncertain world.

Speaker 18 (01:44:41):
And it's a very unusual mystery.

Speaker 23 (01:44:43):
It's got the mystical, the dramatic, and lots of philosophical
elements in it. And it starts with this woman who
you don't really know her age, and she doesn't stand
out from the crowd, and all of a sudden there's
this delayed flight from Sydney to Hobart and she stands
up and she counts to three and she begins to
predict the dying age and cause of death for each passenger,

(01:45:06):
which is completely unnerving for the passengers. And she tells
this beautiful Indian flight attendant allegre that she will die
at the age of twenty eight from south harm And
she tells another woman that her child will learn live
to one hundred, and another lady that her little boy
will die from the age of seven. And this middle

(01:45:27):
aged couple, Sue and Max, are shocked because Max is
going to live into his nineties, and Sue is told
that she'll die from pink creatic cancer, despite being a.

Speaker 18 (01:45:35):
Nurse who looks after herself.

Speaker 23 (01:45:38):
And so then you try to work out who this
very unusual woman is, and she's called Cherry, and she
people are wondering what if she accurately predicted the exact
dates and causes of people's death, And then three people
die as she predicted, and the remaining passengers on the
plane become increasingly nervous. You know, should Leo kind of
quit his job and should Allegracy psychological help? And should

(01:46:01):
Paula teach her son to swim because she'd predicted that
he was going to die drowning. And you also get
Sherry's story, and she's quirky in this connection with her
dad and her psychic mother, and she's very eccentric in
this situation that led her to them calling her the
death Lady as she makes these predictions. And it's a
very thought provoking novel and different choices and parts that

(01:46:23):
our lives take and those interactions about the things that
we can control and the things that we can't. But yeah,
it's quite a shock when she rolls onto the pane
and she starts talking about their lives.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Yeah, oh superb Okay, that sounds great. So that's from
Leanne Moriarty. It's called Here One Moment. And that first
book is by Richard Osman. It's called We Solve Murders.
Thank you, Catherine, Thank you Jack. We've got new music
for you from Snow Patrol coming up in a couple
of minutes. The Forest is the New Path has gone
straight to number one. The first time that Snow Patrol

(01:46:54):
has been there in eighteen years, So we will play
you a couple of the choice songs next.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
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Speaker 24 (01:47:09):
Up nothing, the fame, fame fa fa.

Speaker 6 (01:47:17):
To love, keeps you belive.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
To fight, keeps you up.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
Fair things on the Marie, you are weakwarth Man, you are.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
This is snow Patrol. That song is called hold Me
in the Fire that just released an album called The
Forest is the Path and a Stelle Clifford Our Music
Review has been listening more in a.

Speaker 25 (01:47:53):
More in the two thousands are having a real resurgeon
the early two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
Do you know this show is? I'm glad that you've
picked up on that theme because we were talking before
about a show from Adam Brody, which I mean like
turning back the hands of time. I don't know if
you're an OC fan back in the day, but yeah,
snow Patrol just feels like we're all watching season one
of grays and Anime once again.

Speaker 25 (01:48:16):
I mean they if so everyone's going to write a
yearning love song and get some emotions out then I
think snow Patrol.

Speaker 11 (01:48:23):
You know.

Speaker 25 (01:48:23):
The great thing about this album is they haven't deterred
from that, And I think that's great because that's what
I kind of have always liked them for. And yeah,
I mean, no one can ever really get that Denny
do Ketch scene out of their minds for the rest
of their lives.

Speaker 18 (01:48:37):
Seen that on gras Anime.

Speaker 25 (01:48:39):
That song will Just Chasing Cars is synonymous with that scene,
and I imagine for them they're like, will this at
the end? No, because it was an incredibly powerful emotional moment.
They've stayed in that kind of zone too, do you
know what I mean? Like, so I'll get a little
bit deep on your heir. Gary Lightbody the leads singer
and predominantly writes all the lyrics to the music. He said,

(01:49:03):
the idea of this album comes from looking back on
love from the distance of time. So like when you're
in the moments, you're like right there in the moment,
and then you know, ten years down the track, after
a brow you can kind of remember those moments and
the hurt is only there once you let your mind remember.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
Right, Yeah, Okay, you know.

Speaker 25 (01:49:21):
So like the rosy glow about a relationship where you're like, oh,
actually there was also tragedy and amongst all that beauty,
so kind of looking, he said, he was sort of
reflective on his perhaps mistakes, maybe hurt that he caused,
but from a distance of time where you sort of
have to allow yourself to go back somewhere to be
honest with yourself about whether or not you hurt somebody, right,

(01:49:42):
And again there's more yearning for love, which he's been
real honest, he hasn't been in a long term relationship
for like a decade or whatever, so I guess from
his perspective he has a lot of reflection to kind
of go back on. They actually ended up working with
the same producer who's worked with Adell Gorillas and Lily
Allen Fraser T Smith. So they got to this point

(01:50:04):
in the album where they'd written these songs. One of
the band mates had challenged, like body to just write
the lyrics right there on the spot and don't change anything,
like just trust your instincts.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Yeah, and like yeah, cool.

Speaker 25 (01:50:14):
So they had these really awesome writing sessions and making songs,
but then it just couldn't they could get it somewhere else. Yeah, yeah,
you know, like I don't know how to get it
from somewhere else, so they get the help of that
producer and then I think, you know, a solid album
has come out of that, staying true to.

Speaker 18 (01:50:30):
What it is that they're really good on.

Speaker 25 (01:50:32):
There's a few more F bombs throughout this album to
really emphasize that frustration, which thanks to produce A Libby,
you've managed to find some nice radio edits. But you
know the thing when you listen to an album and
you kind of just get taken away with someone's emotions
and I perhaps anger towards some of the stuff, so
you kind of almost don't hear it. So yeah, fortunately

(01:50:52):
I did before I made you play all those F
Bom songs.

Speaker 14 (01:50:55):
Yeah, really real.

Speaker 25 (01:50:56):
I like the different approach to writing. I think it's
made the lyrics really vulnerable and still with this really cool.
Like some of the songs had that real marching band
kind of drums which just catapults and energy. There's lots
of songs I'm like, oh, played live, this is gonna
be one of those everyone's all the bodies are swaying,
everyone's singing along, and they've stayed with that whole thing

(01:51:20):
they do where they write kind of a soft intro
and it builds into this massive chorus where you know
the lights will go crazy at the big stage show
and you can feel their energy behind it. So I
think they've always done these sort of quite a motive
Demi de Quitt kind of dying songs. But but there's
a beauty behind them in the musicality, I think because

(01:51:41):
they are cliping musicians and they're good at what they do.
So yeah, lots of ebbs and flows, and I think
that if you are a Snow Patrol fan, you're gonna
love pretty much every song, and there's something sort of
different musically in each of the songs. If you're new
to Snow Patrol probably not. Chasing Cars has been like
a massive radio play for years, so yeah, you'll get more,
you'll you'll be familiar with it. And I like that

(01:52:02):
if you're if you're a band that's been around for
a long time, I want you to still have the
body of what you gave.

Speaker 18 (01:52:09):
Me when you're do you know what I mean? First
out and you're huge.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
I mean, it's interesting. It's interesting to me that they're
I mean, it's being huge, Like I was a bit
surprised they went to number one, not not not having
listened to the album at all, like just kind of regardless.
It sort of felt that, you know, like it was
a maybe it is the kind of nostalgia thing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 25 (01:52:25):
I think it's a bit of the I think there's
also a bigger fanship than you realize. Sometimes you need
that easy pop rock like there's nothing to it's not
gonna shake you to the core, and there's nothing to
conflict about it. But when you get into the songs,
they just stick, like they've got this real ability for
their melodies to it's easy to join in with what's

(01:52:45):
going on.

Speaker 18 (01:52:45):
And I think sometimes we just want music to be
that easy.

Speaker 21 (01:52:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:52:48):
Yeah, nice to listen to, except a few if bombs.
So just you know, if the kids smash it out
while you listen to it in the car, that is
what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Very good. Okay, hey, thank you? What'd you give it?

Speaker 18 (01:52:57):
Pleasure? It's a seven out of ten.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
Seven out of ten album, solid album, all right, very good. Well,
we're looking forward to having a bit more of a
listening to a couple of minutes. Thank you so much.
Just delle sir Stelle. Clifford She's our music review of
seven out of ten for the Forest is the Path
that's the new album from Snow Patrols. Or'll play you
another one of the songs from the new album in
a couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
It has just been a very speedy morning. Indeed from
my perspective, thank you very much for being with us
on Newstalk's head B. What do you need to know?
We need to know that Jason Pine is standing by
her to take you through weekend sport from Wellington counting
down to the All Blacks Wallabes second bledders Low for
twenty twenty four this evening. Of course, Newstalks HEADB is
going to have live coverage of that the call live

(01:53:45):
commentary live from seven o'clock this evening for everything from
our show Newstalks hedb dot code on inzed Ford, Slash
Jack is the best place to go. We try and
bang everything from the show up there just as quickly
as possible. Thanks to my wonderful producer Libby for doing
the tough stuff. I'm going to be with you this
week on Newstalks. He'd be filling in for Heather on Drive.
So I'll be with you from four o'clock Monday afternoon,

(01:54:07):
back with your next Saturday morning from nine as well.
Until then, though, we're gonna leave you with The forest
is the Path. It's the new album from Snow Patrol.
This song is called the Beginning See.

Speaker 26 (01:54:18):
You Next Way five Flight.

Speaker 12 (01:54:21):
There is only one I wasn't yet.

Speaker 24 (01:54:26):
If I've made a less of their everything here but
being scared of what you give me, I am sorry, quit,
I just don't know how to love. Let me leave.

Speaker 26 (01:54:52):
The part of me behind the ald wld to green
and then this light. I can see you as you
are in your friend else, in your rights.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
There is only me this like.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
I don't want to get off now.

Speaker 24 (01:55:20):
There is nothing for me in these past lives. There
is only one I wasn't as if I made a
mess of there everything here being scared of what you
give me. I am sorry, real cozy, I just don't

(01:55:46):
know how to alarm. There is only in me in
this life. I don't want to get off now. There
is nothing for me in these past lives. There is

(01:56:07):
only what I wasn't yet, and if I made a message,

(01:56:33):
there everything dear.

Speaker 4 (01:56:36):
But being scared of what you give me.

Speaker 24 (01:56:42):
I am sorry on a Quizically, I just don't know
how to laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
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