Full Show Podcast: 29 March 2025

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Good morning, Welcome to news Talks V. Jack Tame with
you through to midday today, and we're going to start
this morning with a little bit of trivia. Okay, who
was the voice for adult Simba in The Lion King.
I'll give you a wee hint. It just happens to
be the lead singer of a very very famous band,
the lead singer of a very famous band, and also

(01:08):
the son of a very famous composer. Okay, any ideas
get this? The lead singer of Toto, Joe Williams is
also the voice of adult Simba in the movie The
Lion King. I don't know if there's still are two
connections with Africa there I suppose, But how crazy is that?
His name is Joe Williams. He is making his way

(01:28):
to New Zealand and yes, Joe is going to be
with us right after ten o'clock this morning as our
feature interview on Newstalks EDB before ten o'clock on News
Talks EDB, we'll tell you about the latest film from
Jason Statham. Plus we've got a delicious little recipe for
this time of year if you like making salmon at home,
But sometimes when you bake the salmon it can be
kind of a bit too oily, a bit too rich.
A perfect alternative for you that's coming out very shortly.

(01:51):
Right now, it's eight minutes past nine. The time was
three point thirty four am on a Wednesday morning, and
I lay there, wide awake, oppress the screen on my phone,
you know, like you do, just to kind of check
the time, any messages, I wondered. I flipped my pillow,
I shifted my weight, and I tried to sleep. The

(02:13):
obvious cause of my insomnia was the five week old
grunting and squirming in his sleepsack a few feet away
from me. But it wasn't the humidity or the police
helicopter making one of its swoops over the neighborhood. And
this insomnia wasn't caused by a baby. It was caused
by adolescence. My wife and I had watched the final episode,

(02:38):
episode four a few hours earlier. The episode finished, like
most of them, in devastating fashion, and I just lay there,
just turning over the story in my mind. If you
haven't yet caught the Adolescence buzz, the show I think
has had more hype in the couple of weeks since
it came to Netflix than almost any other show in

(03:00):
recent times. It's broken all sorts of records. After just
eleven days, it broke the record for the highest number
of Netflix streams in a two week period, tens of
millions of views worldwide, with millions more every day. And
in a sense, it's a pretty simple concept, right. Adolescence
is a four episode series set in the UK about

(03:22):
a knife crime. A young woman has been stabbed to death.
Every episode has an incredibly ambitious production quality in that
it's done in all one shot, so the whole thing
forty five minutes or an hour long in the case
for a couple of episodes, one take, and in the
words of the creator, Stephen Graham, it's less of a

(03:45):
who done it than a WY done it. As someone
who's worked in TV for nine on twenty years now,
I feel like I've got a pretty good sense of
just how hard it is to make a one shot show.
Technically speaking, it is just ridiculously complicated. I just don't
think most people appreciate how hard it is to light

(04:07):
a single scene, let alone scene after scene after scene,
going from indoors to outdoors, to classrooms to hallways to
drone shots one hundred meters off the ground in some cases.
Sound recording is such a pain. And what if an
actor screws up a line twenty minutes in? Will you
start again? That's what I read a piece which explained

(04:31):
that many of the crew and adolescents who were working
on the production team had to dress as extras during
the show's production so that if they were caught in
the back of shot, it would hopefully make sense. It's funny.
When I told a friend about the show, I said, oh, yeah,
it's all done in one shot. He said, well, what's
the point. Sounds like a bit of a gimmick. Personally speaking, though,
I just found that filming it in one shot never

(04:54):
gave me the chance to subconsciously look away or to
catch my breath. There was no chance to check my phone.
The story didn't pause because the people didn't pause. The
scene didn't end until the episode ended, And what scenes ah,
the speed of episode one. I just love how it

(05:15):
had all of the kind of banal but nonetheless fascinating
procedural stuff, the process, the chaos of episode two at
the school it was. It was like a stunning vision
of a totally dysfunctional space, a totally dysfunctional school, the
teachers yelling to try and control the kids, the teachers

(05:35):
who didn't care. Episode three, My god, what a what
a brave call, what a bold call? Just two people
in what was basically an empty room. There was nothing
of kind of visual interest, just two actors in conversation,
the volatility, the brinksmanship, the unraveling. And then episode four,

(06:00):
all that was lost, the desperation, the performances, and adolescence,
especially Stephen Graham, I just thought, we're astonishing. I immediately
became that person annoyingly texting all of his friends and
family and group chats and asking who'd seen it. And

(06:21):
it's funny, because you know, we think of movies as
being art, you know, film cinema. It's kind of high art, right,
and well it can be. I just think we probably
don't think of TV as being art in quite the
same way, or at least as often as we do
with films, But how do you define good art? Surely

(06:44):
it's a creative work that makes people feel, that affects them,
that sticks with them, that has them tossing and turning
in bed at three point thirty two am on a
Wednesday morning, replaying scenes in their head. It has been
a long long time since a TV show affected me

(07:05):
like essence as a story. It was devastating as a
TV drama, it was close to perfect. Jack Team ninety two.
Ninety two is our text number this morning. If you
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the email address. We'll get our sporto thoughts on this

(07:28):
Liam Lawson situation in a couple of minutes. What a fiasco?
So we're talking about high drama. My god, Kevin Man
will kick us off next though. Right now, it's fourteen
minutes past nine, It's Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame. This
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Speaker 5 (07:45):
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Speaker 4 (07:54):
News Talks EDB seventeen minutes past nine on newstalk EDB,
Aaron has flipped me a note to say, Jack, I
totally agree with you. I binged all four episodes of
Adolescents in one night and couldn't stop talking about it
for days thereafter. Thanks Aaron. Yet it's funny I see
in the UK now they're actually talking about even Kirstaff

(08:15):
and the Prime Minister has lent supported us. They're talking
about screening it in all schools is a kind of
educational thing because you know, it's about knife crime, it's
about a stabbing incident, and obviously they have a big
problem with that kind of thing in the UK at
the moment. But yeah, Aaron was affected, like I am,
Jack really looking forward to watching lesson. Of course, it
was recommended in our screen time segment just a couple

(08:36):
of weeks ago on news talk z'd be so we'll
catch up with our screen time expert Tara after ten
and see what the next adolescence is going to be.
Right now, they're time to catch up with Kevin Milne.
He's with us this morning more than Kevin. Jack, have
you seen our lessons yet.

Speaker 6 (08:49):
No, I haven't. Actually, I'm sort of I'm one of
those people who always who thinks they're up with the
play and then somebody else says they're watching. They're right
on past that, because like I'm working my way through
ted Lass.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Right, okay, but yeah, you're not to play. Sorry, if
you're working even I was two years late to teed Less.
So if you're working through ted Less, so now then
I'm afraid that we can probably safely say you're not
up with a play.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
I realized that.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
No, I will, now you've said it, I will have
a little squiz.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
It's stunning, adolessons. It is just it is. Yeah, I'm
not I'm not hamming it up one iota, and I
cannot remember being as moved by a TV show, certainly
in recent years. So if you have a chance, it's
only four episodes and they're only about forty five minutes
for an hour each, so very much. It's on Netflix.

Speaker 6 (09:41):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (09:42):
It's on Netflix. Yeah, but you need to I'll tell
you this. Here's my recommendation. If you're going to watch it,
make sure you save half an hour afterwards. Don't do
it as the very last thing you do before you
go to sleep, because you honestly you if you can
go and read a book or something afterwards, just to
take your mind off it for a bit. Not not
because it's you know, a horror or anything like that,

(10:03):
really really gory or graphic, just because it's really affecting
and you were sitting there like I was just kind
of stewing, you know. Anyway, speaking of a lessons, your
daughter is looking at buying a new car.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
Yeah, I've been looking for a little hatchback for Tommy.
Of course, in the back of my mind of those
dramatic ads on TV about the safety ratings on cars.
My brother was killed in a car crash when he
was exactly the same age as Tommy. So I didn't
want to buy an unsafe car. My wife said, only
buying the car up to you, but it must have

(10:38):
a good safety rating. I was looking at hatchbacks around
the ten thousand dollar mark, and the dealer I know
put me onto a twenty eleven Suzuki Swift Import for
eight grand I remembered for a small car that Suzuki
Swifts had a pretty good reputation for safety. I was
about to buy it. But when I put the cars

(10:58):
regio into the government's safety ratings right Cars, the car
got just three stars out of five for general safety,
which is considered marginal, and just one star out of
five for driver safety driver safety meaning very poor. This
surprised me. I went online and found the Automobile Association's

(11:21):
review of the twenty eleven Suzuki Swift when it was
published when the car came into the country. It said fun,
safe and affordable. The two thousand and eleven Suzuki Swift
notably exceeded the thresholds for a coveted five star Euro
end cap safety rating. So how come, I asked myself.

(11:44):
According to the same ratings, it's so unsafe now, But
I thought, for my daughter's sake, I'd take no risks
from buy a newer car. For eleven thousand, I found
a great little two thousand and fifty Suzuki Swift, New Zealand,
new new tires, seven airbags, Bluetooth, et cetera. Again, I

(12:04):
checked at safety ratings. It was the same as the
two thousand and eleven car. Marginal for general safety, very
poor for driver safety. And I'm thinking, what's going on?
Eleven grands a lot of money for a kids first car.
It's what a lot of parents spend on their own cars.

(12:26):
I'm told by the dealers that has more safety innovations
come out in brand new cars, the safety ratings for
older models drop and drop. It's not like those older
cars are getting any less safe. It's about how they
measure against brand new cars on the market with innovations
like bicycle detectors that we're getting this year. If this

(12:50):
is so, I reckon that the safety ratings are a
bit misleading. Ten year old cars that have been looked
after are, in my opinion, not unsafe. They're just less
safe than new cars. People shouldn't be put off by them.
There's a world of difference between in the ten year
old car I've now found from a daughter and the

(13:10):
ridiculous cardboard car featured in the safety ratings.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
AD.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah, it's a really really interesting point and something I've
experienced recently too, because we upgraded from the single car
we have, which is a Toyota Corolla Hatchback, and we
bought a new, well, a newer, still secondhand Toyota Corolla Hatchback.
But yes, very very glamorous. But here's the thing we

(13:37):
had a five star end cap rating. But I realized
and the good thing was that the newer car did
have more earbags and that kind of thing. But I
realized that that some of the reason it had the
newer or had had the full safety rating was because
it has things like lane departure warning, so it beeps
it yes, it's going to lane departure. It has like
an automatic break function if you're getting close to things,

(13:58):
and it has lots of things that beep at you.
But of course, after driving it for a month, we
actually found that some of those things that were beeping
at us actually probably made us less safe, because you know,
like if you're just going around a car in the
middle of the road that's turning or something, and all
of a sudden the car kind of lurches and screens
at you when you're not expecting it, it can be
quite unsettling. So I ended up actually turning off some

(14:21):
of those safety I measures go into the system and
turn it off in order to make us safer. And
it was like, ah, I think we might be prioritizing
the wrong thing here, you know, Yeah, I just.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Think I just think, yeah, I just think there's a
better way of explaining what those safety ratings are. It
doesn't mean to say in my opinion, and I don't
I'm no expert obviously. Yeah, in my opinion, it doesn't
mean to say you're not safe. It means that newer
cars have better, have greater safety. Yeah, but of course
you can't afford those cars, so you have to buy

(14:53):
the older car, particularly if you're buying the family members.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 (14:58):
I mean you can't afford to buy new cars with
the whole family. You can't afford to buy them for yourself.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
And yeah, I mean the other the other thing I
think about too, is that you know, is the safety
of other people. So so you know, of course there's
you you as the driver want to be safe and
you want your passengers to be safe. But you know,
I look at some of the monstrously large vehicles around
the place and I'm like, man, this is not making
pedestrians any safer. No, yeah, yeah, no, anyway, that's right. Hey,

(15:25):
thank you for that, Kevin. That's really interesting. And yeah,
I hope that Tommy appreciates your your expertise on on
that front. Thank you for your feedback as well. Jack
really enjoyed Kevin's comments this morning. He's totally right regarding
the safety ratings. It's a funny old thing. Ninety two
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(15:46):
the email address. It's twenty five past nine.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on News Talks.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Edb doo do do lu dud do lu du do
do lu doo. Okay, excuse me, you know that theme? Okay,
that is, of course the theme to Star Wars and

(16:19):
Bird which is the theme to Jurassic Park. Obviously, those
written by the same guy. He also wrote the theme
to Jaws, the theme to Shindler's List, the theme to
e t. He wrote the songs for the first two
home alone films Pretty amazing. Gh. He wrote songs in

(16:40):
the Harry Potter films. He's a remarkable composer. His name
is John Williams. But the reason I'm mentioning John Williams
is he also had an incredibly musical son. His son
is called Joe Williams, and Joe Williams just happens to
be the lead singer of Toto. What a crazy kind
of connection, eh. Anyway, I mean how many how many

(17:01):
streams has has Africa had these days? Like the several gazillion.
I would have thought we're going to catch up with
Joe Williams his effects are ndw after ten o'clock this
morning to talk about his kind of life and career
with Toto and some of his film work because he
ended up, of course working on The Lion King. So
just one of those kind of crazy Hollywood connections anyway,

(17:23):
so really looking forward to that. Make sure you stick
around after ten o'clock this morning so you can hear
Joe Williams ahead of Toto's New Zealand shows. It's just
coming out to nine point thirty now in our Sporto.
Andrew savill is with us this morning.

Speaker 7 (17:34):
Cow to Savlter, Jack G, you're a mind of information.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
I had no idea about the.

Speaker 6 (17:40):
John.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
I mean, everybody knows that John Williams music score. Yeah,
you know, it's generations have grown up listening to his
movie score. Is what an amazing, an amazing connection. And
then his son produces or helps produce a song like
Africa and Rosanna and toe the line.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
It's amazing, ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, just all those kind of connections. Yeah,
so I guess Joe Williams is singing Hakuna Matata, you know,
as simps as the adult. Yes, anyway, crazy, can.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
I speak speaking of Star Wars, Yeah, there's a few
Darth Vader, a few Darth Vader type characters coming out
of Red Bull.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Right, Okay, So, first of all, what a fiesco. I
just can't it seems it seems so brutal, and it's embarrassing.

Speaker 7 (18:25):
It's embarrassing for Red Bull. I agree, and I'm not
saying I'm not saying Liam Lawson has embarrassed them. I'm
saying the decisions they have made this primarily the one
to drop Liam Lawson down to racing balls after two
racism is embarrassing. The rest of the teams on Pit
Lane and Pit Lane will be laughing, yeah, and they
will be the knives will be out. They will be

(18:47):
ready to tear chunks of Red Bull in Japan at
the end of next week. I've tried to unpack this
during the week. Jack and I had the good fortune
of sitting down with Kenny Smith yesterday, a great a
legend of New Zealand motorsport, and he just put a
lot of things in Layman's terms for me about the
Red Bull car being very twitch at the front, and
I said, what do you mean by that and he said, well,

(19:08):
it's a chassis thing. And I said, well, can't they
fix that? He said, it's not a quick fix because
you wouldn't need to rebuild Liam Lawson a whole new
car if they wanted to move away from the type
of car that it's set up for Max for staffing.
So that's that's the key issue there is that it
is incredibly hard to drive. But Liam Lawson, given his talent,
if he had time in that car, I'm sure he

(19:30):
would turn things around.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah, it's funny. I was looking for an explanation of
that as well, because everyone says, oh, the Red Bull
car so hard to drive. Yeah, it's great for Max,
but everyone else finds it so difficult. And clearly he's
had all these different teammates over the last few years,
who have you know, struggled to replicate his performances at
the very least. I saw an interview with Alex Albon,
who was his teammates after a while, and he said,

(19:52):
to put in Lavin's sums. He said, you know, if
you turn the sensitivity on a computer mouse, if you
turn that up to absolute max, and then you bump
the mouse and the cursor on your screen goes all
haywire across the screen. He said. It's kind of like that.
He said, it basically just gets more and more and
more and more and more and more sensitive as the
season continues, because they continue to tweak the car, continue

(20:15):
to tweak the car as max for staff and liked it.
But he said for the stapp and it's great for
everyone else. It's like using a hyper sensitive mouse basically.

Speaker 7 (20:22):
So then the key question is why why not set
up two different cars for two They're.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Allowed to do that in Formula one is part of
the Yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:32):
Yeah, I presume, yeah, they build a car, but look
at McLaren and look at Ferrari again, two different drivers,
two very different drivers in each of those teams and mersades,
and they seem to click, and they seem they seem
to work very well. Look, I think it proves that
Sergio Perez and maybe not as bad a driver as
everybody thought he was. Pierre Gasley not about a driver,

(20:54):
Alex albon So, So back to back to Red Bulls decisions. Look,
they should have given Lee more time in an RB car.
They can test him in an old car or give
them practice laps in an old card, it's not the
new one that that that probably would have helped maybe
longer in the Racing Balls team, which he is now
going to get. I think the key for Laws and

(21:15):
now is to prove to everyone that he still belongs.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
In F one, which he does.

Speaker 7 (21:21):
And it wouldn't it be amazing in Suzuka and Japan
next week if he qualified higher than the than both
Red Balls, if not Yuki Sonoda, which is probably going
to happen.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I really hope he can use
this to fuel him, you know, I really hope he can.
He can use this as motivation to come out. He's
always he's.

Speaker 7 (21:43):
Always struck me as a as a tough kid, doesn't
take a sec level on the track, you know, And
so this would have this would have hurt of it,
I'm sure, But again he strikes me as the type
of kid who'll in the next a few days get
over that turn it around if he hasn't already, and
then just be so motivated to prove a lot of

(22:04):
people wrong.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Yeah, I really really I hope you're right. I hope
he's able to do that very quickly. Canes thump the
tars Landers went down to the Brumbies last night. So
one for the Assies, one for these Yellen teams.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
Yeah, unfortunately for the Highland as I've lost another close one.
That's damaging as this season carries. I think there's three
or four losses in a row now, very very tight
games all of them. But gee, where was the Hurricanes jack?
They looked to have broken the shackles. That was an
amazing performance last night against the war Atars. I think
the second best Ossie team. They came to Wellington with
one loss and then bang the Hurricanes struck fifty points

(22:38):
in them that The Hurricanes have always been known as
a flear type team with a lot of attack, always
very good Lusies, you know, back in the when the
competition first started. Jerry Collins, Rodney Solo. We're seeing that again.
We saw that again last night from the Hurricane. So
I think after a struggle at the start of the season,
I think we're seeing some good signs out of the Canes.
Have you seen adolescence yet, No, I haven't, but I've

(23:02):
heard a lot of people speaking about it. At work,
and I heard your intro about the one shot yeah episode,
if that makes sense. That's a remarkable thing to do.
That's a very very tricky thing. I've seen music video
shot with one shot, but not forty five to fifty
minutes of a TV show episode. The interesting thing is

(23:23):
I found out this morning just is that Brad Pitt
and his production.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
One of the executive producers.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, a bit of a hand in it.

Speaker 7 (23:31):
And because he's a huge fan of Stephen Graham, they
work together and snatch.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yes all those years yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and how funny.
Ah yeah, key.

Speaker 7 (23:40):
Stephen Graham looked like he was about seventeen and now
he's now, he's gone on and become a such a
fantastic gainst.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
So good, Yeah, he's so good. All right, Hey, thank
you sir. We better keep moving. We'll catch against in
our Sporto Andrew Saville before ten o'clock. We've got a
grilled salmon and rice recipe for you. Delicious, not too oily,
a nice easy way to make salmon at home. Next up,
your film picks for this week.

Speaker 8 (24:08):
It's Big.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Bag.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
It's Lady six. She's performing at Symphony and the Auckland Domain.
Last night. Oh my gosh, I was just driving past
the domain before. It looks amazing. It's gonna be a
huge event. These symphony events just seem to get bigger
and bigger and bigger and more popular. Feels like half
the country is going to be going to synphony. So
if you don't know synthony, it's basically a blend of
you have an orchestra playing dance music and it's outdoors.

(24:40):
Everyone gets together. It's really it's yeah. It kind of
brings in people from all different kind of generations and
music tastes and everyone just has a really good spirited
dance in the domain. So it's gonna be pretty epic
at Auckland Domain when that kicks off tonight. Right now,
it is twenty one minutes to ten on News Stork'd
be time to catch up with our film review of
Francesca Rudkin for her picks this weekend. More than good morning.

(25:05):
Let's start off with a film that is showing in
cinemas at the moment, tell Us about the Seed of
the Sacred fig right.

Speaker 9 (25:12):
So this is just under three hours long. It was
nominated for Best International Feature Film at the Oscars. It
won their can't Special Dury Prize last year. It's from
Iranian filmmaker Mohammad Russeloff. And in completing this film, which
was shot entirely in secret and Iran, he was sentenced

(25:34):
to eight years jail and a flogging. He managed to
leave the country and we think now resides in Germany.
And if you go and watch this film, it's absolutely
no surprise really that has happened to him. So it's
a story about an investigating judge in the Revolutionary court

(25:55):
in Tehran. It's a very stressful job. He's just had
a promotion which is very excited about. It means that
the family gets to move to a bigger apartment, but
it also puts an awful lot of pressure on his
home life, on his wife and his two daughters, one
who is at high school and one who is just
starting college, because all eyes are on them and they

(26:17):
need to make sure that they behave perfectly and are
not seen to step out of line in anyway. And
this is difficult because at this particular time there is
an awful lot of protests going on, and of course
a lot of women, in particular at demanding more human rights,
have been able to live their lives the way they
want to, and during this time, the judge's gun disappears

(26:40):
and he's left to suspect that his wife or his
daughter's have something to do with it, causing this terrible
tension in the house. It's the sort of psychological portrayal
of living under a theocracy in Iran and the paranoia,
the violence, and the tension that kind of comes with it.
It's a story of oppression and resilience and hope, and

(27:05):
I think a very brave film considering the very serious
consequences which had been imposed upon the director. I believe
other members too, who were involved in the making of
this film have also had to leave the country as well.
Look if you want, it's a very taught film. The
pressure really builds, it kind of unfolds slowly, but you
really do feel the fear of these people and what
it must be like to live in a press of

(27:26):
society like this. Yeah, yeah, no, quite.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Remarkable, sounds incredible. Yeah, okay, so that's the seed of
the Sacred fig at showing in cinemas at the moment.
Next up, something completely different. Let's have a listen to
a working man from my wife's past, and I love
the Royal Marines.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
A lot of people would keep it up on me.
You give me a job, you're pleasing with me, You
color Jenny, you're my family.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Excuse me, here's not your business. That is, of course,
Jason Stathem and what I would describe as a not
particularly convincing American accent.

Speaker 9 (28:13):
Oh my gosh, okay, this is a working man.

Speaker 10 (28:16):
Look.

Speaker 9 (28:17):
I actually was looking forward to this because last year
Jason Staffham and David Eir, the director on this film,
they teamed up together to create a film called The Beekeeper.

Speaker 8 (28:26):
People might remember it.

Speaker 9 (28:27):
He played this character Adam Clay, who single handedly sort
of set out to destroy a scammering that had taken
advantage of a lovely old woman that Adam knew. And
it was great fun and it was a really good
action thriller. So I was like, yay, okay, tour back
together again. This is awesome. Let's see what they produced
this time. Well, criikey okay. It's produced and written by

(28:51):
Syvester Stallone, and it's got his sort of name all
over it. In the field of it. The music, the
soundtrack is ridiculously epic and over the top. It's really
earnest and a very far fetched story. And we know
that Jason Stephan one of the great things is he
is a brilliant action guy, but he also can throw

(29:12):
the humor into things as well. There is nothing subtle
about this film. It's all laid out for you through
sort of pretty simple dialogue. The wardrobe, oh my goodness,
the cliched way that people addressed. I mean I started
laughing when I don't think I.

Speaker 10 (29:28):
Was supposed to be laughing.

Speaker 9 (29:30):
But look, there is always room for an over the
top take itself too seriously, escapism, piece of action thriller.
It's just unfortunately, you know, the director and the actor
did such a good job last year. My hopes were raised,
and you know, I mean this is the Wheelhouse. This
is what Jason Stress does so well, and I think

(29:52):
that him and David Air could have done a really
good job of this. But it's just yeah, anyway, there
we go.

Speaker 10 (29:58):
I'll leave it a bit.

Speaker 11 (29:59):
I mean, yeah, if that eccing does anything to go by,
I mean, we all love Jason State them being like,
oh yeah, you know, I'm just in every man who
happens to be also at killing people.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
But like, I just don't know why you trust me.

Speaker 9 (30:15):
Yes, the least you have to worry about what the
way they've dressed everybody to make them so clearly obvious,
like you're the bad guy.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Oh, you're the you know yeah.

Speaker 9 (30:25):
And then the sort of the gangsters all dressed in
these ridiculously over the top sort of tracks outfits, which
makes me so stand out, like you know that they wouldn't.
Oh I can't. I just don't, you know.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Sometimes they say they say that there's some study it
says that your your brain in watching TV or movies
sometimes your brain can be less active than when it's sleeping.
It sounds like one of those films. It sounds like
one of those films if you're all just sit in
front of it and the film happens.

Speaker 9 (30:49):
To you for anything else and going in very good.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Okay, that's thank you. That is a working man that's
showing in cinemas now. Francisca brings us a variety. That's
why we love talking with her on Saturday mornings. The
Seed of the Sacred Fig is the nearly three hour
film in farest See, the first one that she shared
with us. We'll put both of those films and all
the details for them up on the news talks, he'd
be website, We're talking food with that cook.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Next Saturday Mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going
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Speaker 4 (31:22):
They'd be thirteen minutes to ten on news Talks. He'd
be our cook. Nicki Wicks is here, she's seen adolescents.
What did you think, Nikki?

Speaker 12 (31:29):
Oh yes, oh well I found myself incredibly disturbed. Yeah,
it was great. I was I was absolutely gripped by it,
by the acting in it, et cetera. It was extraordinary
and it was it was so true, Like, yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
It was you know, that's you know what if they
not that they need it, but if they if they
need that, if they you know, they've got their like
posters up anywhere and they have it and they have
the reviews. You know, it's just like our five stars,
the Guardian five stars, in New York Times five stars
and Wall Street General. They can just put Nicki Wicks,
I think that.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
No.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
I think.

Speaker 12 (32:09):
Your terrible situation unfold and you had sympathies for all
all around, and you're kind of like, when did young
men or when do young men. Yeah, I don't know,
feel so rejected. And so when do any young people
feel as though the idea of being liked is the
most important thing in the world.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Really, you know, it's just not.

Speaker 12 (32:34):
We all learn that as adults that you start to
realize it's not about other people liking you, it's about
who you love.

Speaker 13 (32:41):
And oh it's tricky.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
It's tricky.

Speaker 14 (32:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Well anyway, okay, anyway, this morning, you've got a grilled
rice and grilled salmon. And rice used to be for us,
which is great because I mean, I love salmon, but
I know, like my wife finds it a bit if
we bake it, she finds it a bit too overwhelming,
a bit too salmony, and a bit too rich, you know.
And this is maybe a bit of an alternative, it

(33:07):
really is.

Speaker 12 (33:07):
Look, I'm not a big fan of baking salmon, add all.
I either smoke it or I grill it. Okay, so
either which way, but I find baked salmon I really
enjoy it. I mean, and I'm a r A R
L y. I just it is too rich for me.
Whereas if you grill it, and you just need to
really grill it on one side because it'll go all
the way through. It tends to just leak some of

(33:30):
that oil out. I know the works good for you
and all that sort of thing, but I'm not keen.
So I've got this grilled salmon respect. I also love
it as a dinner for one or two, because salmon's
quite expensive too. Trying to feed a family for six
on it, I'm sure we'll be pricey. So I think
you'd about one hundred to one hundred and fifty grams
yourself because it is rich. I buy those lovely salmon
filets that have got the skin on. If they're too thick,

(33:52):
ole slice them down the middle to save two.

Speaker 15 (33:55):
Get you get your oven on.

Speaker 12 (33:56):
Grill really high. I put the salmon just on a
foil lined tray because that oil will come out of it.
And I like to mix a little mix of soy sauce.
I don't know, two tablespoons a teaspoon of freshly grated
ginger and about half a teaspoon of sugar jack, and
you mix all of that together and then just brush
that over the salmon, and you've put the salmon skin

(34:18):
side down on your on your on your on your
sheet of foil. I also a little, a little tip
is also I often try and buy the tail piece.
Tail piece has a I think less fat in it
and also less less bones are left of bone and
which is often cheaper to by bonin. Grill it until
it's really you know, sort of quite caramelized. It'll you know,

(34:42):
you're only gonna grill it on the one side, so
it'll be you know, you can really leave it under
there for a while, and then remove the skin. You're
going to serve the flesh of it, and then grill
the skin until it's really crispy, because that's delicious to
have it. You don't want to waste the grit that.
You don't want to waste that. And then I just
serve this with some beautiful brown rice. I love the
earthiness of brown rice. I mean, this is a very

(35:02):
sort of common breakfast item in Japan as sort of
rice and salmon, and it's really long lasting. It will
keep you satisfied all day, especially if you use brown rice.
And I just use brown rice. I put maybe some
lovely little pickled vegetables or maybe some salad greens in
this little bowl with my rice salmon on top. Sprinkle
over some sesame seed, squeeze of lemon juice and then

(35:24):
serve it with that crisp skin on the side, and
it's just a lovely little It's just beautiful. It's just simple,
it's easy, it's good for you.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
It's clean food.

Speaker 12 (35:35):
Not that I consider any food necessarily dirty, but yeah,
it's good. You'll feel great afterward. It makes a good
sort of breakfast or lunch or dinner. Yeah, so perfect, Yeah, yummy.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yeah, I think you're right. I always find it weird
when people don't like eating salmon skin, you know, yeah,
because it's I know, when it's crispy, especially I mean
you know, you know, if you bake it, and it
can be kind of a bit like maybe that's understandable.

Speaker 12 (36:03):
People don't like that.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
No, I don't think people like fleating play things. But
but when it's Krisby, I'm was like, what are you doing?
How are you missing out on this? This is incredible?

Speaker 15 (36:12):
I know, it's so young.

Speaker 9 (36:13):
It's like the best little chip.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Can I do a little teas.

Speaker 16 (36:18):
For next week?

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Please?

Speaker 12 (36:20):
Just because I like praps, some other listeners have got
quint quinces. It is Quinn season, and if you know
about quin season, you'll be drowning in them. And so
next week I want to give us some ideas on
how to make beautiful quince paste. They'll store well. So
if you're listening and you've got a bucket of quinc there,
they still think well, so they'll store for a week.

(36:40):
And next week I'll give us a lovely couple of
ideas for sort of baked, beautiful slow quints. Love them,
and also give my recipe for a quick quince paste.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Very good, Okay, I look forward to there. Thank you,
look forward to it. So you next Saturday, thank you,
we are cook there. We'll make sure her recipe and
instructions for grilling salmon with some brown rice rup on
the Newstalk's head be website newstalks headb dot co dot
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Speaker 1 (37:07):
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Speaker 4 (37:17):
Harry says Jack. I turned adolescents off, just really disturbing. Yeah,
I don't blame you, Harry. I told my parents about
it and Mum was like, yep, I'm gonna watch it.
But I just I need to pick the right time.
I said, yep, that's very wise. Like I said, it's
not gory. I think it's just a like an R
thirteen or PG thirteen or whatever. So it's not gory.
It is just affecting Jack. The film nineteen seventeen is

(37:40):
done in one shot. I experienced motion sickness during the
opening scenes of running through the trenches. It's incredible. Yeap,
that is amazing. Nineteen seventeen does give the effect of
one shot. But trust me, I went down a rabbit
hole with all of this. So when they were making
nineteen seventeen the film, they actually recorded it in several
different shots, and they used like digital editing techniques to
stitch those together, which are very complicated with adolescents. They

(38:04):
literally just filmed it in one shot, so they hit
record and then they filmed the whole thing. My goodness,
you wouldn't want to be the camera person who accidentally
forgot to hit record, would you. Jack A rented a car.
The amount of so called safety tech is ridiculous. It
was actually a distraction with all of the alerts. The
worst feature was the steering trying to force against where
I wanted to go. This is what I'm talking about.

(38:24):
That's the lane departure. I'm sure can be helpful, but
it can also be a little distracting and disconcerting when
all of a sudden the car heads in a direction
you weren't expecting. Anyway, I'll get to more of your
feedback after ten o'clock ninety two. Ninety two is the
text number if you want to send us a message,
and of course our feature interview right after the ten
o'clock news, Joe Williams from Toto is going to be
with us. Cannot wait for that, but it's just coming

(38:47):
up to ten o'clock news. Is next a Saturday Morning,
I'm Jack Tame.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
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Speaker 17 (39:07):
Be ah, what a jam?

Speaker 4 (39:39):
What a jam? My goodness. Toto did it right. They
did it. They found just the right blend of groove
and malady to hit that kind of glorious sweet spot.
They didn't crack under pressure. They never swayed away from
their high gloss sound. As the world turned to heavier
rock and roll, and next month, Toto are coming to
New Zealand touring our shores, and ahead of their tour,

(40:02):
Joe Williams from Toto is with us this morning, Keldo,
Good morning, Off into the show.

Speaker 18 (40:07):
Good morning. How's everybody doing.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yeah, everyone is doing incredibly well, all the better for
having you with us this morning, So thank you very
much for your time.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
How do you how do.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
You distinguish the success that Toto still enjoys all these
years since you first formed? Why is Toto still so popular?
Do you think?

Speaker 5 (40:31):
Well?

Speaker 19 (40:31):
I think it's a great deal of it has to
do with these the songs, the big hit songs, I
mean Africa alone, just as a as a song has
given us life, you know, beyond perhaps may have been
you know, who knows, But you know, I think that
some of these songs are timeless and as people go

(40:53):
back searching through you know, music from the eighties, seventies
and eighties and nineties, they latch onto things that still
hold up, you know. I think that's part of it. Yeah,
the other the other part, I think it's just it's
just that the band has never really stopped touring over
all of these years, and so you know, who knows.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
You say that Africa has given you life? What do
you mean by that?

Speaker 20 (41:19):
Yeah, well, if you just you know, younger and younger
people are finding it and and I suppose a few
of the different artists who have re recorded it or
used pieces of it or something, or it's shown up
in a particular TV series or a movie something like that,

(41:43):
And and then it still holds.

Speaker 19 (41:46):
Up after all the all of these years, and so
as people find it, it breathes new life into the
into the band.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
It's It's amazing, isn't it That That kind of says
something about human beings as well, that a song like
that can be so infectious and catchy, you know, decades ago,
and yet someone introduced to it today will still have
the same reaction. We'll still find it really infixious and catchy.
It'll become an ear wom It'll be stuck in the
heat for days. There's something kind of a bad condition.

(42:14):
And I suppose it speaks to the speaks to the
magic of that song.

Speaker 18 (42:19):
It does.

Speaker 19 (42:20):
I mean, you know, in my view, the production of
it and the sounds that were used back at that
at that time, primarily the Bob Bob you know that
was done on a keyboard that that really you can
only get that sound from that particular piece of hardware,

(42:41):
and then if you just think about the production of
the whole song after that, it still holds up.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Today.

Speaker 18 (42:47):
A lot of.

Speaker 19 (42:48):
Music doesn't, you know, play or seems corny or odd
or maybe the sonically it doesn't sound as good that
kind of thing. Africa still really holds up. It's a
kind of a very smooth feel feeling and uh and
talk about earworms. I think that that that the chorus
of that song, and also just some of the sounds

(43:09):
on there are are infectious.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Yeah, do you remember the writing and recording process for Africa.

Speaker 18 (43:17):
I don't, but you know, some of the other guys,
I'm sure do.

Speaker 19 (43:23):
What I what I do know about that song, which
is I think is kind of an interesting story, is
that the rest of the guys in the band at
that time.

Speaker 18 (43:29):
Did not want it on the record.

Speaker 19 (43:32):
It was brought in late in the game, and they
they went ahead and produced it up and finished finished it.
But when it finally was finished, a lot of the
guys thought it didn't fit with the rest of the album,
and so maybe they'll just put it at the very
very end. In those days, when you had vinyl, you
would go to side to and put it as the

(43:53):
last cut.

Speaker 18 (43:56):
And so that's what they did with it, not thinking
or you know, realizing.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
That it.

Speaker 18 (44:02):
Would be as big as it became.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Yeah, it's funny, isn't it, Like you just he is
the imagine if it hadn't been included, your life probably
would have been profoundly different.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
It came very.

Speaker 18 (44:16):
Close to not being included. That's that's the odd thing.

Speaker 19 (44:19):
Yeah, So you know, and that's sometimes the way with
like big hit films or big hit TV series that
you can often hear producers and writers and creators saying,
you know, you had no idea it was going to
be this big that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
You're listening to Jack Tame. I'm speaking with Joe Williams
from Toto ahead of their three New Zealand shows. So, Joe,
you have all sorts of different musical and artistic pursuits.
I know you've recorded heaps as a solo artist, and
you know you spend a lot of time writing scores
for film and TV as well. So how do you,

(44:56):
you know, kind of balance those different pursuits and interests.
Are there certain things that you get more joy from
at different times.

Speaker 19 (45:04):
Well, certain, that's it's been a while since I've done
any real work composing for television and or film. Just
I've been busy back on the road for sixteen fifteen,
almost sixteen years, and so I've been fortunate to have
these chunks in my life where I'd be doing one

(45:26):
thing or another. You know, I left, I left the
group in eighty nine and had went through a little period.

Speaker 18 (45:34):
Of reinvention and uh, you met my wife and.

Speaker 19 (45:38):
Ended up having my kids, and and and learned how
to do a different thing, you know, acquired a skill
to do it, and and moved into composing for TV
and film and then uh, and then always recording you know, pop.

Speaker 18 (45:53):
Music or rock music or whatever whatever you want to
call us, in between and showing up for the odd
concert here and there with Toto.

Speaker 19 (46:02):
But then, you know, after fifteen years or so, I
started to feel a little bit bit of a burnout
with the with the composing for for producers and directors,
it's a it's an exhausting process, and you're dealing with
a lot of different personalities, and you know, it's it
takes it takes a strong person to do that and

(46:25):
handle that. My hats are always off to my father
because he's always done such a great job with that.
But then I was lucky when that, you know, when
that came to a sort of a slow.

Speaker 18 (46:37):
End, back came the touring full time. Yeah, different different chunks.

Speaker 19 (46:45):
And now you know, my kids are grown, I have
grandchildren and and uh and and our tours are going
better than they than they ever have really in terms
of in terms of attendance and the kinds of venues
that we're playing.

Speaker 18 (46:59):
So it's very exciting.

Speaker 19 (47:01):
And uh, you know, we still have a good hunger
to keep out there on the road. Everybody's healthy and
and ready to go. And and we've got a great
show that we're doing now that that we're going to
be doing this whole year.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Yeah, tell us about the show and what what can
audiences in New Zealand E speak?

Speaker 18 (47:18):
Well, we have a great set.

Speaker 15 (47:20):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
You know.

Speaker 19 (47:20):
One of the lovely things about the band is that
there's a very very deep, deep barrel of wonderful songs
to choose from.

Speaker 18 (47:29):
Of course you're gonna hear all of the.

Speaker 19 (47:31):
Big ones, you know, that's that's a that's a given.
And I think they're placed just right in terms of
you know, audience excitement and and everything. But uh uh
but and and then there's a slew of songs that
were in the top ten or perhaps even in different
territories of the world number one songs. Yeah that maybe

(47:53):
people people have I don't know, I don't know forgotten
about is the is the right way to put it?

Speaker 18 (47:59):
But you're you're sure, Oh yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
I forgot.

Speaker 19 (48:02):
I didn't know that was that those guys, Right, I
forgot that tune was from the those guys.

Speaker 18 (48:06):
We have a lot of those.

Speaker 19 (48:08):
And then a couple of deep cuts that maybe the
really uh die hard fans are going to recognize, but
are great songs in and of themselves, and I think
exciting to listen to, and that you know, the tour
is is a it's a stage of really great musicians.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
You know.

Speaker 18 (48:27):
One one of the things about this band.

Speaker 19 (48:29):
Is that it's always had, with all of its different changes,
fantastic musicians, just a very very top and in uh
in musicianship and and uh, you know, cohesiveness within within
the group. So you'll have that, You'll hear great singing.
You're gonna, you're gonna, there's you're gonna, there's people are
gonna be surprised. We have a couple of old members

(48:52):
coming back and a couple of new members who were
very exciting for us and breathing some new life and
a great program. We just did a month in Europe
and it was fantastic. So we'll, uh, we're gonna bring
it to you.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
And Christopher Cross is going to be here as well,
which is which is just so exciting for you know,
for New Zealand fans. I know, hey, before we let you,
before we let you go, Joe, there was one other
thing I wanted to ask you about that the speaking
of like amazing, enduring kind of cultural performances. You played

(49:27):
Simba in The Lion King. You were the voice of
Simba and The Lion King. Did did you have any
idea at that time that that that that film was
going to have the kind of impact that it's had.

Speaker 18 (49:39):
Well, I certainly hoped it would, you know. I remember
the session very very clearly.

Speaker 19 (49:44):
I wasn't in the studio for very long, and uh,
my part was was going.

Speaker 18 (49:50):
To be pretty small.

Speaker 19 (49:53):
Thankfully, my wife was with me and she was in
the booth and actually old friends with one of the
producers of the music in that film.

Speaker 18 (50:03):
Obviously.

Speaker 19 (50:04):
It was at hot Zimmer's place and and uh, and
the directors of the film were there, and a couple
of the producers, and they they they were.

Speaker 18 (50:12):
Scratching their heads about how to do you know, the
song with Kuna Matata.

Speaker 19 (50:16):
Where where the where the lion the lion king goes
from being a little kid into being an adolescent.

Speaker 18 (50:22):
And then and then on from there. And they weren't
sure how they were going to pull it off.

Speaker 19 (50:27):
And uh, they had a couple of lines in that song,
and my wife said, don't you just leave them out
there in the booth and ask them to just, you know,
ad lib something. And so that's what happened, and they
liked what I did, So I ended up I ended
up in that film in a in a kind of
memorable way, very very lucky break, and uh, something I'm

(50:52):
very very happy happened.

Speaker 18 (50:54):
And still that's another one that kind of holds up.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
It certainly does it, certainly does. I think you've got
a neck of being involved somehow, Jock. Look, thank you
so much for your time. We really appreciate it. And
I know I'm so many Kiwi fans are just delighted
that you're going to be playing here soon, so travel
safely and we look forward to seeing you on our shores.

Speaker 18 (51:14):
Great my pleasure. We'll see you THEREK That.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Is Joe Williams from Toto. So Toto, We're coming to Auckland,
Wellington and christ Church next month. Get in quick, especially
if you want to get to that christ Church show,
because tickets are selling really quickly and all of the
details for getting tickets to Toto and Christopher Cross are
going to be up on our website Newstalks headb dot
co dot in seed. I mean.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
It does.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Joe has just said like a connection with just has
a connection with so many amazing kind of catchy songs.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
Eh.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Do you know what?

Speaker 4 (51:43):
Though, controversially I actually reckon hold the line as a
better song than Africa?

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Is it a controversial take? Anyway? Let me know your thoughts.
Ninety two ninety two is our text number jacket Newstalks
hedb dot co dot nz. It's my email address. In
a couple of minutes we'll get our screen time picks
for this weekend on News Talks. He'd be It's nineteen
past ten.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Jack
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Speaker 5 (52:09):
Talk z EDB.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Twenty two past ten on News Talks. EDB was Taraward,
our screen Time Experts recommendation that first turned me on
too Adolescents, And Tara's back with us this morning is
she is every Saturday with her picks for this week.
Thank you so much, Tara. It was an amazing show.
It really really was, and it has just Yeah, I
just cannot stop thinking about it.

Speaker 10 (52:31):
Oh, I'm the same. I watched it two weeks ago
and I'm still thinking about it every day and now
I'm reading everything i can about how they made it
and how they pulled off that single shot and how
they did that amazing drone shot and episode two. It's
just kind of got into my head and thinking about
it in so many different ways, and I think that's
the same for lots of other people who have watched it.

Speaker 21 (52:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
It's funny, how because you know, in a way, it's
kind of a it's a relatively simple concept, but it's
just kind of a simple concept, exquisitely done, perfectly done,
you know.

Speaker 10 (53:00):
Yeah, it's so rare to have a TV show like
Adolescents where every single part of it works. There's no
a weak point in it. You know, the writing is perfect,
the acting is phenomenal, the story feels very realistic and relatable,
and it just all comes together in an incredible way.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
Well, my thanks to you, because that turned out to
be a superb recommendation. And it's not just me who
says it. It's something like eighty five million people who
now streamed it on Netflix. It's absolutely destroyed the records
or all of the previous streaming records, which I guess.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Is no great.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
That's amazing.

Speaker 10 (53:31):
Yeah, And there wasn't a lot of hype to it.
It just kind of dropped, And I think maybe that's
why we're all caught up on it too, because there
were no expectations. We just have watched it all together
and we're all talking about it together, which doesn't happen
quite as much as it used to a television show.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Yeah, I think you just, you know, people sort of
let the show do the talking, and it's spread by
word of mouth and by recommendations on screen time on
Saturday mornings, on newsbooks. He'd be So we've got three
shows for this weekend. No pressure living up to that pack.
Let's start off with a new show streaming on Neon
starring Timothy Spall. Tell us about the Sixth Commandment.

Speaker 10 (54:08):
If you want another chilling drama to watch this week's recommendation.
This is a BBC drama. It won a BAFTA last
year for Best Limited Drama and it stars Timothy Spall,
who won both a Bafter and an International Emmy for
this role. And it's another one of those quality British
productions that just sort of takes every box. The writing
is by Sarah Phelps, The acting is beautifully done, and

(54:29):
the story is really compelling. It's based on a true
story and it's about a retired school teacher who's played
by Timothy Spaull and his elderly neighbor who are both
quite lonely, vulnerable people. They become friends with a young
man named Ben and both fall in love with him,
and Ben, of course is not her. He seems. He
befriends them and makes himself indispensable in their lives. He

(54:53):
persuades both of them to update their wills and leave
everything to him, and then he tries to murder them.
And it's a true story, very shocking, and the show
doesn't shy away from that, but it's very British in
the way that nothing here is over the top or sensationalise.
It all just unfolds in a very understated way that

(55:14):
makes it quite uncomfortable to watch at times. But the
tragedy of the story is quiet and uneasy and quite haunting.
And I think that's the power of it, that this
doesn't need any over the top embellishing. Timothy Spall is
so good in this. I mean, he's always good, but
he's incredible in this. He pulls you on right from
his start as this very lonely man of faith. And
you know, if you want something intense but very carefully

(55:37):
and thoughtfully made that you can just sort of slowly
work your way through four episodes, this is a great watch.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Great That's the sixth Commandment on Apple TV. Plus the Studio.

Speaker 10 (55:48):
There's something very different. This is a new satire that
stars Seth Rogan and a long list of famous Hollywood
guest stars. It's a comedy that's poking fun at the
movie industry and Seth Rogan plays the head of a
movie studio and he wants to make these meaningful art
house films, but he is employed purely to make the huge,

(56:08):
pointless billion dollar blockbusters, and so for his first film
in the job, he tries to do both, to make
a very beautiful, worthy film about the drink kool Aid,
but also makes a lot of money. And so everything
is a juggle. There's egos to manage, there's deals to
be done, there's lies to be told, and Seth Rogan's
character is continually moving and shouting and trying to convince

(56:31):
everyone that he knows what he's doing. And so there's
a lot of clever industry in jokes in the show,
and it's very self aware and I think if you
watch a lot of movies, or if you're interested in
the in the workings of Hollywood and America, then you'll
get a lot more out of this. But the big
pull to the show is the cameos. Everyone from Catherine
O'Hara to Martin Scorsesey to Charlie's theirn zach Efron pops

(56:54):
up on this. It's like, you know, spot the Celebrity. So,
you know, a really clever show, very fast and punchy back,
quite silly and over the top as well, and just
quite resh refreshing to see something that doesn't take itself
to seriously, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
That sounds nice, But my gosh, that's a hell of
a line up, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (57:12):
I know, every episode full of it.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Yeah. Yeah, So that's the studio that's on Apple TV
Plus and on three now the last Anniversary.

Speaker 10 (57:21):
Yeah. This is a new Australian drama based on the
book by Leanne Moriarty, who of course wrote Big Little
Lies and Nine Perfect Strangers. And this is the latest
novel to be adapted for at TV. And it's about
a family who live on a remote island in Australia
near Sydney, and when the matriarch of the family dies,
she leaves her house to a stranger, effectively much to

(57:43):
the dismay of the rest of the family. And the
stranger's arrival on the island and what that represents kick
starts all of these long hidden, deep buried family secrets
coming to the surface. So it's a family saga, it's
a romance, it's about motherhood and relationships. There were lots
of characters introduced in the first episode, so I'm hoping
that it will settle down and find its own comfortable

(58:05):
paces a go on, because it's a really easy to watch,
quite moody and atmospheric thriller, A little bit so be
but in a good way, but a great way, mistery thriller.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Very good. Okay, cool, that sounds great. Thank you so much.
Tara will put all of those recommendations on the news
talks there B website. The show is once again. The
Sixth Commandment is on Neon. That's the one with Timothy Spall.
The studio is on Apple TV Plus, and the Last
Anniversary is on three. Now, Jack, what was the Netflix
show you were talking about? Jack, what's the wonderful show
you've just been recommending? I started, I started the program

(58:37):
this morning by talking about Adolescents, which is this incredible
show on Netflix. Four episodes. Tara recommended it to us
a couple of weeks ago, and so I went and
watched it, and it's one of those shows that just
stays with you. It stays with you for so long afterwards,
you find yourself kind of turning over all of the
events and scenes in your head in the middle of
the night and yeah, I'm not the only one that's

(58:59):
broken all sorts of streaming records. And not because it's
a real whiz bang production, not because it has you know,
big fiery car, you know car chase scenes or anything
like that, just because it's amazing storytelling, really affecting storytelling.
So if you haven't seen it yet, Adolescence on Netflix,
I will warn you it's kind of disturbing. It is upsetting.

(59:21):
It it's devastating. Really not not gruesome or you know,
gaulish or you know, kind of horror or anything like that,
but just really affecting. That's the word I keep coming
back to. So Adolescence on Netflix, I will recommend for
the last time this morning. I promise it's just gone
ten thirty before eleven o'clock on Newstalks. He'd be we're
in the garden, given the weather is cooling, daylight saving

(59:42):
next weekend. Our man in the garden, Rooge climb Pass
has all the things you need to do if you
want to grow your tomatoes next season from seed. So
if you want to save seeing me tomatoes from your
garden the season you've had a great crop, they're starting
to they're starting to die off. Now if you've got
any left, I'm pretty impressed, to be perfectly honest, But
he's got the things you need to do in order
to grow tomatoes from seeds next season. The things you

(01:00:05):
need to do in preparing this now right now, ten.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
Getting your weekend started.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks.

Speaker 21 (01:00:19):
B Will we will We Boil?

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
It's the banjo's The sound is unmistakable. Mumford and Sons,
of course, are the British folk rockers that sent the
template for a sort of beard positive, emotional but spirited
man pop that paved the way for more recent acts
like The Lumineas Hosier and Noah Khan. I'm into it.

(01:01:07):
I don't mind a bit of Manvid and Sons. It
sort of feels like the sort of thing you have
to be embarrassed about these days, but I've never embarrassed
about the music.

Speaker 22 (01:01:13):
I like.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Their last album, though, was Ages Ago. That was Delta,
as in that was the name of the album, not
the not the COVID nineteen strain. But it was before
COVID nineteen. It was way back in twenty eighteen, and
things have changed a whole lot for Mumford and Sons
in the time since. So their banjo player has left
the band following outcry after he praised an alt right agitator.

(01:01:39):
Can you imagine it Mumford and Sons with no banjo player.
My goodness. Anyway, they've now slimmed down to a three
piece for album number five. They're using it as a
bit of a new beginning, a bit of a fresh start.
The album is called rush Meir and it's named after
a pond on Wimbledon Common, which is close to where
they formed back in two thousand and seven. So anyway,
we're gonna have a bit of a listen to the

(01:01:59):
new sound of Munford and Sons before midday today, our
music reviewer will be in to give us her thoughts
on Rushma as well. Regarding Toto, though Jack I introduced
my son Sam to the song Africa, belting it out
in the car when he was about seven years old.
He's now twenty one and shouting it to me this morning,
shouting me to Toto later this month. Cannot wait, says Simon.

(01:02:20):
That's specially. I remember my dad loved Stinging the Police,
and I remember, you know, we kind of grew up
with that sound and grew up with lots of blues
and stuff, and I remember going to you know, like
as a young adult, as an eighteen year old or
twenty year old or whatever. The police came and played
in New Zealand and we went as a whole family
and it was just there was something so special about
as kids having been brought up with mama Dad's music

(01:02:42):
and then going to that artist. So yeah, maybe you'll
get to experience the same thing, Simon Jack. I think
adolescence is a great drama. It's confronting rather than disturbing.
As a mother of four teenagers, I can totally relate
to the surprises life can throw it you, says Nolene.
Thanks for that, Nolean ninety two ninety two. If you
want to send us a message, our texpert is in

(01:03:03):
in a couple of minutes. Right now, it's twenty five
to eleven. You're with Jack tame as News doalg zedb.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Digging into the issues that affect you the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 23 (01:03:13):
Very good news from the government on the crackdown on
consultancy spending though, so they're looking to save eight hundred
million dollars over a couple of years being that done
at Finance Minister Nikola Willis what was eight hundred million
dollars being spent?

Speaker 24 (01:03:24):
I think we had developed a culture in the public
service where if you wanted to get someone to give
you some graphs and some numbers, tended to a consultant,
get then to do a powerpoints heet of slides for
the minister. And it had become so endemic. The money
being spend had just sawed out quite dramatically to more
than a billion dollars. And the minute that we came

(01:03:46):
in and said, are not happening anymore, those numbers drove
down quickly. But ultimately public servants are capable.

Speaker 14 (01:03:52):
They can do their stuff themselves.

Speaker 23 (01:03:54):
Back Monday from six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain drove of the last news Talk ZEDB twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Two minutes two eleven non News Talk ZEDB. DNA is
up for sale. That really popular company for DNA testing
twenty three and meters has filed for bankruptcy, which means
the DNA results of fifteen million customers are potentially out
for sale. Our textbit Paulstinehouse has the details. Paul, should
we be worried?

Speaker 15 (01:04:21):
Is it just first of all, isn't it just like
a dystopian line to say? It's kind of like something
out of the Black Mirror episodes on Netflix?

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:04:29):
You know, yeah, what are we going to do? It's
actually DNA is for sale, and it's crazy that that
is the major asset of that company, right, Yeah, that
is the thing that they have and they sell. And
here's where it gets crazier, Jack, Not only have they
you know, sequenced the DNA, you could actually opt and

(01:04:49):
I guess you still can opt to actually have them
store your saliva sample, your physical saliva sample.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Yeah, so people are now and.

Speaker 15 (01:04:59):
On the advice of very you know, big figures, New
York's Attorney General basically said to customers, it might be
time to take action to safeguard your data. And people
are doing that. They're going to the website, they are
trying to delete their data and trying to get them
to remove their samples from I don't know the vault

(01:05:20):
or the cold storage or whatever they're stored in, but
the website's been going down. And there's a really interesting
point that one of the lawmakers in California who put
in some of the US's most strict privacy laws, right,
he's made a very interesting point.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
He's that great.

Speaker 15 (01:05:36):
I love that we have the privacy.

Speaker 22 (01:05:38):
Laws, but they are now being tested because if you've
got a company that's filed for bankruptcy. Yeah, what happens
if the numbers of employees are cut? Who is there
to actually help process the electronic delete request? But who's
going to be there actually physically this In this case,

(01:05:58):
there's physical person data that you need to destroy it
as well. And if you think about all these people
going to this website to delete their data, can a
company actually handle tens of thousands of requests.

Speaker 25 (01:06:12):
In a couple of days, a couple.

Speaker 15 (01:06:13):
Of weeks like whatever it might look like.

Speaker 22 (01:06:16):
Because I don't know if you know this, there are
some really old systems around there.

Speaker 15 (01:06:19):
If you ever unsubscribed from an email and you think,
why am I still getting emails? Or it says it's
going to take seven to ten business days, sometimes it's
because that involves an actual person getting maybe an email
themselves that says, go and delete Jack Tame from this database,
this database, this database.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Wow.

Speaker 15 (01:06:37):
So I'm not saying that is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
How twenty three and meters is, but like you can imagine.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Yeah, what I really can like it could be chaos definitely, Yeah,
it's it is a bit kind of stopian. Ah, And
you can just imagine for insurance companies or anyone else
how vague that information might be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, Hey,
the AI note taker otter, which I've used a little
bit that it gets used by companies and meetings and

(01:07:05):
that kind of thing, you know, to listen to the
conversations and write up notes, but now has opinions it does.

Speaker 15 (01:07:12):
I mean, it is very handy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
It takes notes.

Speaker 15 (01:07:13):
I don't know about you, but people are not very
good at taking notes.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I always.

Speaker 15 (01:07:17):
Forget that you're supposed to do something, but the AI
helps with that. But it's been listening, and yes, it's
been deciding, and it's been analyzing data and oddo. AI
is now slowly rolling out some new tools that some
of these are kind of creepy. So you can actually
summon the AI kind of during the meeting because it's there,
you see it in the participants list, so you can

(01:07:37):
kind of ask it like Siri to do things now
like send an email or look up meeting information and
things that it has in its database. Wouldn't it be
great if you were like, hey, on AI, did Jack
actually do that thing he said he was going to
do in the last meeting?

Speaker 17 (01:07:50):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
Oops?

Speaker 15 (01:07:53):
But it also this is the one that got me.
It also can do live sales coaching. So you're on
the call and you know, there's you Jack the salesperson.
You know you're doing your best pitch. The ALI is
chirping in giving you messages and things saying actually, Jack,
you shouldn't be talking so much. Actually Jack, remember he

(01:08:14):
is the line you should be saying. Yeah, And it
also gives you information on how to handle complaints.

Speaker 9 (01:08:19):
Isn't that funny?

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Yeah, it's so ridiculous.

Speaker 15 (01:08:22):
I mean it's great, but it's ridiculous and scary and
terrifying and cool all exactly the same.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Yeah, Yeah, that's like AOD way to summ it that.
Thank you, Paul. That's our textbo Paul Stenhouse before eleven
o'clock tips on how to grow tomatoes from seed and
what you need to do to save the seeds from
your crop this summer before the weather finally turns. Seventeen
to eleven, A little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
Of way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Then with Jack, Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and beep
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Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
Quarter to eleven on News talks 'b after eleven o'clock,
our travel correspondent has a very tough gig at the moment.
He's currently plotting his way across Europe, but he's doing
it overland and he's doing it on trains, which I
think just has to be the best way to travel
through that part.

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
Of the world.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
Anyway. He's picked out a selection of Europe's best railway restaurants,
so restaurants that are in railway stations in Europe. He's
going to share those with us after eleven this morning,
so I'm really looking forward to that. Right now, though,
it is fourteen to eleven on news Doorg seed B,
which means it's wine o'clock and time to catch up
with Master Somalier. Cameron Douglas is with us this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Cal to Cameron, Kyoda, good morning.

Speaker 26 (01:09:30):
Nice to be here.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
Yeah, nice to be chatting with you. You've chosen a Pegasus
Bay Chardonnay from twenty twenty two for us this week,
So tell us about the wine. What does it taste like?

Speaker 27 (01:09:39):
Well, Shardonay is one of those great New Zealand fines,
and with Pegasus Bay we've got a much fuller bodied expression,
something that a lot of Shardeney fans like, and it's
packed with structure, nice fine tannins, and full bodied flavors

(01:10:00):
of pineapple and vanilla. There's just enough toasty yolk and
it's well aged, great flavors on the pell, great texture,
something that ticks the boxes for everybody who like sharden.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
May and Pegasus Bay have a real reputation for the
sort of stuff a oh gosh.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 27 (01:10:17):
They're located in North Camp to bring in the Waipra.

Speaker 14 (01:10:20):
Valley area and their.

Speaker 27 (01:10:22):
Grapes grow largely on this glass and even soils with
a little bit of limestone going through. And what that
means for the wine is great purity of fruit, great
acid line, and fruit that's ripe enough to really find
a nice happy place with oak.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Oh yees, So how oaky is it?

Speaker 27 (01:10:41):
Well, they use puncheons to ferment the wine and age
the wine, so it's not about full on, full throttle
oak power. It's actually more about the subtlety and the
complexity that oak brings to sharden May.

Speaker 8 (01:10:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
Right, nice. So the twenty twenty two vintage sells for
about forty five dollars a bottle. What would you pair
it with? Do you think Cameron.

Speaker 27 (01:11:04):
Well, it's up there in terms of so I know
that much. But in terms of pairing, you need an
equally rich and full bodied food. So salmon with skin on,
pans sea it or baked and topped with a soy glaze, touches,
all of you know, all the excitement.

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
Boxes as well.

Speaker 27 (01:11:24):
You serve it with a little bit of lentil, something earthy,
something green, or baked jacket potato, that kind of thing
with sour cream.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Oh yeah, that so good. Yeah, and it's you know,
it's okay, we're getting into the kind of autumnal weather
a little bit now. The daytime temperatures are still hot,
but you reckon this time of year. That's the kind
of right sort of dish because Chardona is a nice
sort of you know, in between season option A.

Speaker 8 (01:11:53):
It certainly is.

Speaker 27 (01:11:54):
You know, I'm looking out the window now and it's
a blue sky, but I know by about five o'clock
this afternoon it's going to get a little coolest. So
a wine like this gives you that transition, as you
put it, in between that autumn winter period where we
want something a little richer and fuller and a little
bit more alcohol in there. That just you know, warm

(01:12:14):
warms the tummy a little bit more. And with food
like that salmon, which is so easy to prepare. It's
a sip of that wine while you're preparing the salmon
and just alongside when you're eating it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Yeah, that sounds so good. You know what I am.
I'm not a massive drink or anything, but I'll tell
you what. I've transitioned to that stage of life where
Chardonay is my pet, which is a good It's a
great stage of life. It's a great stage of life.
But you know, I've moved on from the from the
sweeter options of my youth. And yes, that that pegas
of space sounds superb. So thank you very much, Cameron.

(01:12:49):
That once again is a Piggas of space Chardonnay from
twenty twenty two. We have the details on the news
talks he'd be website. Rude Climb past our Man in
the Garden is with us in a couple of minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Right now.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
It's ten to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Eleven gardening with Still shaft free autumn upgrades on Still's
best sellers.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
Rou Climb passes in the garden for us this morning,
Good morning, sir.

Speaker 8 (01:13:11):
Good morning, And I was in the garden and then
I'm not now I'm inside anyway, I am in the
garden because my grandson Edaway is looking after my miss
Nets were catching birds at the mountain. Oh yeah, that's
a lovely story.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
Oh that's good. Yeah, presumably that's yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
You know, my wife had a very dramatic scene the
other day. She had to she was in a shop
and there was a kingfisher that got stuck in the shop,
and yeah, I know, crazy, and then she ended up,
what are they? And then and then she so they

(01:13:48):
no one knew what to do, and then someone it
was in the corner, and someone threw a towel over it,
and she marves sort of fancies herself in emergency situations,
and so she rushed over, rushed over. No one knew
what to do. Whilce the towel was on it, she
picked it up, scooped it up and took it outside
and the and the towel and then released it. But
she's said it was the most like she said, it

(01:14:08):
was the softest ever felt. Yes, you said, it was amazing,
just like touching its you know, touching its coat. So anyway,
so good, Yeah, it was all good. Flew away even
lived happily ever after. Me and Mather had a story
to dine out on for about three days, you know,
Hollo heroes, wee apes. Anyway, this morning, you've got tips

(01:14:29):
on using tomato seeds to grow. Because most of us,
I'm a bit lazy with my tomatoes. I just get
a little you know, I go to the go to
the plant shop and just get a couple of different varietals.
But this could be an option for next summer.

Speaker 8 (01:14:42):
It is, but it's also a way of actually getting
your own stuff going from your own collections. Yeah, you like,
because and now it's a good time to do that
because the tomatos are still ripening, I suppose, but it
won't be long before it gets too too cold and
all that sort of stuff. And I thought i'd write
a little bit about that. And the first thing is,
you know, if you've got a tomato growing that's an

(01:15:03):
F one hybrid, then be where that you can't have
that you cannot if you like, use those seeds because
what you're going to get is completely different from what
you had. F one is one of those little first
filial generation as they call it in that work. These
things will come back basically to their old parents, and

(01:15:25):
sometimes even a different species. It's extraordinary. But if you've
got air loom varieties, the so called open pollinated varieties,
they will come true to type when you use the seeds.
Things like I've used tigarella all my life back grim Thessalonica.
But now Neil Robertson from Piano gave me this wonderful

(01:15:48):
thing and he said you'd love it. It's called Gardener's Delight,
and it is larger than a normal tomato, you know,
one of those little tomatoes if you like. And it
is sweet, and it is absolutely juicy and beautiful. So
on behalf of Neil.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:16:07):
I've actually got those things, and I've written exactly in
the system that will be online how to do that.
You basically get the fully ripe tomatoes, scrape, scrape off
the you cut them in half, scrape off the seeds
and put them on, if you like, under in a car,
under underwater, so most of the sticky stuff goes out.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:16:29):
You do that a few times if you like, And
once you've done that a few times, you'll find that
the seeds are not so sticky anymore. You put them
in some kitchen paper if you like, and you dry
them very gently, not in the sun.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Oh okay, not in the sun.

Speaker 8 (01:16:47):
Not too hot, not in the sun, but nice and dry.

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
That's it.

Speaker 8 (01:16:50):
And two days later, basically they will have desiccated. They
will be totally dry then. And what I do then
is I separate them and put them in little envelopes
paper envelopes, and then I send them around to people
that might like them. So you should have yours in
the letter by now. Yeah, And and Levy asked for

(01:17:13):
some as well, So it's gonna happen there, very good.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
I have to chig. So just that, really, why didn't
you put them in the sun? So you want them
to dry, but you don't want them to dry too quickly.

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
That's right.

Speaker 8 (01:17:24):
It goes really slowly because normally those you know, the
way these things basically fall off a plant is that
they split open and they are basically in the shade
under a plant, and that's how they go on for
next year. But in this case, you're going to sort
it out yourself. Not in the sun. Please leave them
nice and warm and dry and you'll be fine. And

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so have a little tip you can do if you,
for instance, in an area with a lot of relative humidity.
You can use some silica gel in the envelope to
absorb moisture and to keep those things dry, and they'll
be actually, by the way, they'll be good for the
next two three four years.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Saying okay, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
Oh, no, pre sure, and you would love them. I would.
You're right, Thank you so much for route climb passing
in the garden for us. We'll make sure those tips
and varietals are up. On the news talks, he'd be
website after the eleven o'clock news Europe's great railway restaurants
plus a new album from Monford and suns news is next.
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Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
He'd be Saturday mornings with Jack tam keeping the conversation
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Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
B good morning.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
If you're just turning on the radio this morning. Jactane
with you through to twelve o'clock is put every Saturday
morning on news Talks. He'd be before the day telling
me about Hallan Kober new book. And he churns them out, Ah,
absolutely churns them out. In one of these amazing authors,
like incredibly successful authors who still somehow has the capacity
to turn out a new book every year. So I'm

(01:19:17):
going to tell you about Nobody's Full which is his
latest read before midday, as well as that we've got
brand new music from Mumford and Sons. I love Mumford
and Sons, and I always think of them as being
like the banjo band, like the kind of pinnacle of
banjo rock musicians. But the thing is that they don't
have a banjo player anymore. They had a bit of

(01:19:37):
a tiff with their banjo player, so they've just released
their brand new album, which is their first in seventh
years and is their first without their banjo player. So
we're going to make sure we have a little bit
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before midday. Right now, it is eight minutes past eleven.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
Jack Team and co.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
Of course, psychologist Google Sutherland is all with us this morning. Calder, Google,
George jet I happy with you again. We started the
show this morning by talking about the program Adolescence, which
has yes, it didn't just rely on my Rave review
has had gazillions of Rave reviews and tens of millions
of views since it went live on Netflix a couple
of weeks ago.

Speaker 14 (01:20:16):
You've seen it, yes, absolutely, Binge watched it in tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Ah, how good. Okay, So as a clinical psychologist, without
giving two much of the plot away, how did that
impact the way that you watched the show?

Speaker 14 (01:20:33):
Do you know what? It hit me more a little
bit Like you were talking about at the start of
the show, that actually hit me more on a personal level,
particularly that final episode, thinking about my role as a
dad and as a father and what I have you know,
and how I've parented my son. Yeah, and I've just
found it really I think there was particularly I found

(01:20:55):
that last episode, I guess from a psychological perspective too,
really fascinating. All the little subtle things that the father
does and says in the way he acts that just
you can just see how that's just sown some seeds
in his son, and not deliberately, not in a but
but just some of the ways that he interacts and

(01:21:16):
how what he's modeled for his son, and about how
he struggled to he you know, talked about it. I
just tried to be better than my dad. Yeah, And
so it was I was really affected by it the
whole next day, and I just it's amazing on so
many levels, as you know, as you've talked about with
the one track shot and and but just on a

(01:21:38):
psychological and what it says about how to be a guy,
and how to raise kids and how to raise sons.
It's just amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
Yeah, did you did you know the episode two when
they have the or it's a three rather when it's
just the child clinical psychologist and and and the main
and the boy in a room. I mean, like, I'm
not expecting you've been in those situations, but was that accurate?
Do you think was that kind of.

Speaker 14 (01:22:01):
A I've been, and I haven't been. I haven't done
a court report, but I've certainly been. I've certainly met
with young people who are in that sort of environment,
and yeah, look, there were aspects of it that are true.

(01:22:21):
But also I think, you know, my experience with young
people is often that they are quite really able to
talk and reflect and you know, but I think there
was something just you know, there was just glimmers of
something in that young thirteen year old that were slightly
disturbing and slightly worrying. But I think it's a relatively
realistic portrayal of yeah goes on. It's certainly much more

(01:22:42):
realistic than somebody lying on a couch and talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah yeah. Anyway, well I'm glad,
I'm glad you found it affecting as well. I've been
ranting on around about it this morning, which is what
good art does. You know, it's you know, it is
what it is. Anyway, we're talking about presenteeism this morning. Now,
people will be familiar with absentism in terms absenteeism is

(01:23:08):
a problem. Is presenteism an issue as well?

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:23:13):
Well, look this is on the back of We're just Umbrella.
We've just released some research and we we've talked to
over eight and a half thousand people. Present teaism is
that is, when you turn up for work, so you're
physically present, but you're carrying with you some sort of
mental health or physical health condition that leads you to

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work at less than your normal one hundred percent productivity.
So it's it's, it's and it's it's a hidden cost.
We actually we estimated, and this is a broad estimate,
we estimated it's costing over forty billion dollars per year
in lost productivity because it's hidden, you know, because somebody
can be sitting at their deskcore in their workplace where

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into that wherever that is, and they're physically there, so
it appears that so it can get overlooked, but actually
they're not really producing at their full capacity. So it's
it's a it's a hidden cost, and lots of people
aren't really aware of it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
Yeah, that's so twenty five percent of eight and a
half thousand people surveyed, so they had kind of experienced it.
So talk to us about the impact on a workplace, like,
in what ways does someone experiencing presentees talk us through
the different ways it affects a business.

Speaker 14 (01:24:26):
Yeah, look, and I think we can all relate to
it as on some level, we've all had a day
when you're just just not quite firing on all cylinders right,
and you get those things like low energy, you're distracted,
it's harder to focus, you might find it more difficult
to finish things or to make quick decisions. And for

(01:24:47):
most of us, you know that that might be present
on the odd day. But yeah, we had twenty five
percent of the people we surveyed said that they regularly
experienced this up to about the time equivalent is about
six days per month, So imagine you know, that's six
days per month where you are not real really there.

(01:25:08):
And I think too, there's a potential, particularly if you're
working with machinery heavy machinery or transport, that you can
make lapses in judgment or make small mistakes that could
have quite a major cost or major you know, major
effect on your health for other people's heels. So it's
not like people are deliberately doing this, but they're just
their mind is on something else there, They're they're worried

(01:25:29):
about something that that there, you know, there's been an
argument at home, and their minds on that instead, or
they're they're you know, they're their mood is low and
they can't really bring themselves to fully to work as
they usually would.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Yeah, right, okay, And I mean the cost can be significant.
So two thousand dollars a month per employee, which is
if you if you're extrapolated out across the whole of
New Zealand, that's like billions and billions of dollars, like
teens of billions of dollars. So what can we kind
of do about it?

Speaker 14 (01:25:59):
Look, I think I think to be honest, we're just
this is an emerging area for many organizations. There's lots
of international research that that has established us as a
presence in the workplace, but for New Zealand it's still
sort of we're just starting the conversation. And I'd say
to workplaces, look, it's really important that you actually get
an accurate assessment of how you're going in this area,

(01:26:21):
because you know, as you've said that, we've made an
estimate and extrapolated that out across the population, but that
will vary across different workplaces and work sites. So I'd
say to organizations, get a handle on it. You know
how much of an issue is it at your place,
and then look at the way that your workplace is.
How are people comfortable coming to work and saying, hey, look,

(01:26:43):
I'm not fully I'm not fully here today, I'm I'm
not at one hundred and either be encouraged to take
a day off of sick leave if that's possible, or
to be able to have some sort of flexibility in
their work where their manager or colleagues or co workers
can say, hey, look we'll take that extra bit off

(01:27:03):
you today, you know, and recognize that it could be
us tomorrow that needs that kind of support. So it's
how can we flexibly deal with us and not just
pretend it doesn't exist.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Yeah, right, no, that makes a lot of sense. Hey,
thank you, Dougal. I really appreciate that. All Southern from
Umbrella welbing there with us this morning. Right now it
is quarter past eleven on News Talks. Edb our travel
correspondent is taking us all through Europe next.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
Travel with Windy wutours Where the World is yours book now.

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
Mike Hardley is our travel correspondent. He's here with us
this morning. Keldo, Good morning from Europe.

Speaker 26 (01:27:38):
Jack, I hit us up. Been watching the coverage of
this Me and My earthquake. I was actually in man
Delay ten years ago, virtually to the day, and gee,
given how flimsy their construction standards are, I just hate
to think how big this death toll.

Speaker 6 (01:27:54):
Is going to be.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
Yeah, it's hideous, isn't it. Some of the images that
have come out of there this morning are just lawful.
And of course, given the political situation and that part
of the world at the moment, I can't imagine the
response is going to be. You know, it's going to
be any easier that it might have been. That that
must be awful seeing that so ten years ago. Gosh,
things have changed a lot in that part of the world,

(01:28:16):
and not not just as a result of this earthquake.
Yeah yeah, well, look, we all hope obviously that that
you know, it's not as bad as has seemed, you know,
at first glance. But it's one of those things, isn't it.
In the first few hours they are always trying to
work out, you know, try and get you know, try
and get a good sense of just how bad it is.
But certainly from what we've seen so found and all

(01:28:37):
the stuff coming into the newsroom at the moment, it
looks looks pretty tough. So yeahah, yeah, heyah. Anyway, we
are focusing this morning on things where well, you know,
a slightly more stable part of the world, and every
sense I suppose you are traveling through Europe at the
moment and enjoying some of Europe's great railway station restaurants

(01:28:58):
and traveling by train is the way to go in Europe? Right?
Are the railway stations busy at this time of year.

Speaker 26 (01:29:05):
It's interesting. I'm no fan of the summer crush in
the big European destination, so I deliberately decided to get
a jump on that. And first of all, on the
weather front, it's obviously cooler than summer, but a lot
calmer on the streets. Not so many bonds to have
to wrestle with the trains and the railway stations, yep,

(01:29:27):
the perky, plenty of people about but not heaving, and
you certainly won't have any trouble scoring seat reservations on
the most popular routes at this time of year. So
I am absolutely a huge fan of exploring Europe in
those shoulder season periods, whether it be March, April, October, November. Yeah,

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definitely the way to go.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
Yeah, no, I totally agree, totally agree with that. So
let's talk about some of the track side restaurants then.
Do they sort of tend to be, you know, like
hidden treasures?

Speaker 26 (01:29:59):
Yeah, totally. And many of Europe's grand and venerable railway
stations house some quite remarkable restaurant experiences. And I was
thinking to myself yesterday, why would you want to settle
for an underwhelming grab and ghost sandwich to take on
the train when you've got these brilliant track side brassris

(01:30:20):
and best rows at your disposal. And the thing about them, Jack,
is a lot of them embody the romance of rail travel.
Others the more like little quirky add ons to your journey.
But there are some real jewels to uncover.

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
Okay, let's start in London, then where's good.

Speaker 26 (01:30:38):
Well, many Kiwis will be familiar with Sintancras station, which
is the London hub for Eurostar trains. Curiously, the guy
that designed Satankras, George Gilbert Scott, was the original designer
for christ Church Cathedral. Quirki We connection there, but anyway,
at tin Tankras Booking Office eighteen sixty nine is where

(01:30:59):
to go. And as the name suggests, it was originally
the vast ticket office of the station. Four years ago
the space was redesigned as a Victorian style winter garden,
so it's got these soaring palm trees, plant themed chandeliers.
It's all very whimsical, escapist and exotic and as you'd expect.

(01:31:21):
On the menu, lots of British classics, but also nods
to all sorts of far flung destinations. But I reckon
the Scottish charcuterie board is the perfect choice.

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
Below what about Paris, Paris mistakes and beating.

Speaker 26 (01:31:36):
Yeah, best of the best La Trandleur restaurant at Garde Leon.
This is like an explosion of belly pop grandeur with
decor inspired by the Mediterranean coasts glamour spots. So I
think guilt, watercolor paintings, chandeliers, leather banquettes. The top cellar bea.
By the way, Jack is a leg of lamb hand

(01:31:59):
carved at your table. If you want to mimic mister Bean,
think of the Bean movie. This is where he had
quite a bit of trouble trying to swallow those king prawns.

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
Ah right.

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
So, like you say, though, that kind of old school
glamor ray. So where else would you recommend for the
kind of old school dining vibes.

Speaker 26 (01:32:20):
Yeah, well, if you find yourself at Brussels medi the
main station in Brussels, the Brasserie is a cracker. It's
actually a Michelin Stud restaurant, once again transporting you back
to rails golden age, with antique train lngins in the restaurant,
Victorian timetables and even railway workers' hats adorning the wars.

(01:32:41):
But given it to Michelin Stud joint obviously you may
be mindful of cost. I would go for something relatively
when extensive. The shrimp croquets are really good. And if
you're in Amsterdam, the Grand Cafe restaurant at Central Station,
very similar nineteenth century, was a first class waiting hall.

(01:33:05):
The original locke has been preserved, but the funny thing
Jack is true to the weird Dutch sense of humor.
Also in the Grand Cafe restaurant is a rather talkative
cockertoo called Elvis, who has perched permanently at.

Speaker 5 (01:33:18):
The bar ah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
How talkative because you know, like congatoos are not known
for being quiet.

Speaker 26 (01:33:28):
That's yeah, he's he's on rotate.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
If he's talkative, then that's fine. If he's going, I
think I'd tire of that pretty quickly.

Speaker 5 (01:33:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
What about what about like, you know, the railway restaurants
that are kind of star performers on social media?

Speaker 26 (01:33:43):
Yes, Ed Milan Central Station, the owner of Antico Venio
has become a bit of a TikTok hero, so he
rolls out these videos of him constructing his double decker
Italian subs. I've actually had one of the sandwiches that's
called Father Losa, and it's this enormous construction stacked with

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salami and pecorino cheese and artichokes spread and spicy eggplants.
They're just ridiculously sized, so that's definitely worth to stop.
And in Athan's Jack, I love this, there's this Greek
actress who has made it her life's work to fully
restore vintage carriages. So she set them all up at

(01:34:26):
Ethan's Roof railway station and she's called it the Wagon Restaurant.
And this is buzzing with the instacrawt because one of
the carriages there is actually the original dining car from
the Orient Express. You can actually lunt within that car,
isn't that Cole?

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
Oh that's amazing. Yeah, that is incredible And Mike you reckon,
you have experienced the most beautiful McDonald's in the world.

Speaker 26 (01:34:53):
I have this week, Jack, I'm here to cover all
classes of cuisine. So for for a five star Golden
Arts experience. Macas has just reopened at Budapest New Ghati station.
So it's in this little building adjoining the station, one
hundred and fifty year old building. It's been given a

(01:35:14):
tip to toe restoration. It's like this neo classical jewel
box with antique lambs and painted stucco ceilings, all fresh.
The only thing is those touch screen ordering kiosks look
a bit out of place. It's all the grandeur, but
I'm loving it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Yeah, yeah, I reckon. We could do a whole segment
on quirky McDonald's. I only have one to contribute, but
you know that I don't I'm not. I don't eat McDonald's,
but I do visit them when they're in quirky places.
And I can proudly say that I have been to
the only McDonald's on the island of Cuba. Wow, which
is which is?

Speaker 5 (01:35:53):
Of course?

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
It is of course in the Guantanamo Bay Military base,
with the within the base. It's the only only one
in Cuba. So there we go. We can I reckon,
I seriously reckon. One day we can. We can add
them all up and you and I could do a
little segment together. That'd be a bit of fun day.
But we'll keep things classy if now, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we'll keep things classy. If now, make sure all of
your tips for visiting Europe's top railway restaurants are up

(01:36:17):
on the news talks He'd website. Travel safely, sir, and
we will catch you soon.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
Thank you very much, Jack, getting your weekends started. It's
Saturday Morning with Jack team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
News talks 'B with Jack Tame this Saturday Morning.

Speaker 21 (01:36:58):
Jack.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
I'm sure it's been a great show, but honestly, I
stopped listening about an hour ago. Usually I would never
read out this text, of course, but there's a reason
for the stop listening. Stop listening an hour ago after
your interview with Joe Williams from Toto, so that I
could play a few of Toto's songs on the piano.
I've spent the last hour on a keyboard with the
help of a YouTube tutorial, trying to get my fingers

(01:37:19):
around some of the hairy Africa chords. I really should
know how to play in a recognizable fashion, one of
my favorite tunes from the eighties, Infectious. Indeed, thank you
for that said, and we're going to forgive you this
time and this time only. But thank you, and don't worry.
Of course, you can catch up with everything from our
show by going to the website NEWSBOOKSZB dot co, dot

(01:37:40):
mded Ford slash Jack, where you will find everything from
the show. I very much enjoyed that interview with Joe Williams.
What an amazing life and what an amazing family, Joe
Williams and his dad John Williams, the amazing composer of
the guy who wrote the Star Wars song, the guy
who wrote the theme to Jurassic Park, et all of
those Spielberg classics. What an amazing kind of musical family. Yay,

(01:38:02):
So yeah, thank you for that. And I was thinking too,
for all of my going on and on on about
adolescents this morning, we should really be celebrating another amazing drama.
Of course, news this week that after the Party, that
amazing show that screened on TV and Z plus this year,
and TVNZ won starring Robin Malcolm has been nominated for
a Bafter. So yeah, a couple of fantastic shows that

(01:38:26):
we can celebrate this week. Right now, it is twenty
eight minutes to twelve after twelve o'clock on News Talks,
he'd be Jason Pine will be in the hot seat
for weekend Sport, and what a weekend of sport it is? Piney,
we should start with Liam Lawson. My goodness, did you
see this coming this time last week? Knowing that things
were looking pretty tricky. He hanging into the last Grand Prix.
Did you think it was possible Liam Lawson would be dropped? No,

(01:38:49):
I didn't.

Speaker 25 (01:38:49):
I really did not see it coming Jack. After two
races on unfamiliar tracks, one of them in the pouring
rain in Melbourne, I really thought red Bull would have
more patience than this. But for them to pull the
trigger so early in the piece ahead of a Japanese
Grand Prix, which is a track that Liam Lawson actually

(01:39:10):
knows and knows pretty well, I think is a bit
short sighted from red Ball. I think they've failed in
their duty of care. That's one thing they've really, I
don't want to say thrown him under the bus. He
still got a seat, one of only twenty. But I
just think it's been extremely badly managed by red Ball.
Max for Stappan is on record as saying he doesn't
agree with the decision. And you can't tell me, Jack

(01:39:32):
that Yuki Sonoda is going to be able to drive
a car which has been set up for a Stappin
any better than Liam.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
Has been able to. Yeah, this is what I understand.
It just says to me, like whoever's driving that second car,
It just seems to be like facing an impossible challenge.
I'm just just for the sake of playing Devil's advocate,
because as you know, that's my other job. Sometimes I
have to put forward difficult arguments. Yes, and I'm just
saying this. I'm not saying I believe this. I'm just

(01:39:58):
just to play Devil's advocate.

Speaker 5 (01:39:59):
Here.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
Is there an argument that Liam Lawson one of the
reasons he got that Red Bull seat was because he
impressed Red Ball with how aggressive he was last year,
and that in being aggressive he might have actually got
offside with a lot of the drivers and a lot
of people in Each one world.

Speaker 5 (01:40:16):
Is that fair?

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
It's it's not a bad yeah, so stick with it
if if you agree with that in principle like that,
maybe he has got offside a little bit by kind
of you know, not being brash necessarily, but being confident
and aggressive as you have to be as a driver.
I just I'm just recall him pulling the fingers at
another driver, and I wonder if for some people in

(01:40:39):
Formula one world, there's going to be a bit of
a you know, live by the sword, die by this
sword kind of attitude here. They're going to say, you
know what, you came out all confident in brash. You
haven't lived up to it in your first couple of races.
You you know, talked a big game and now you're
kind of seeing the other side of that.

Speaker 25 (01:40:55):
Is that or that that narrative is definitely around, There's
no question about that that those outside of the rebel operation,
I'm sure are luxuriating in this and are probably enjoying it.
But I don't think that's the reason he's had the
seat taken on.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
I don't think so. I don't think so either for
a moment, But I do wonder if he's maybe not
getting the sympathy then he might have otherwise right right
being in this position, because it does seem absurd. I mean,
I mean, surely they've made the switch because it's Yuki's
gone Prix but Yuk's homegrownd pre But yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:41:23):
Because I've I've seen that argument put forward about how
much more commercial value Yuki Sonoda brings the Liam Lawson. Well,
if that was the case, they would have given them
the seat to start the year, not two races in. Look,
it's it's cutthroat, it is. But I've said a couple
of times on air over the last twenty four hours
or so Jack. You know that instant gratification mindset, not

(01:41:44):
just a Formula one but of a lot of elite
sport is just really really short sighted. You know, two
races out of a twenty four race season.

Speaker 4 (01:41:54):
It's nuts.

Speaker 5 (01:41:55):
Surely.

Speaker 25 (01:41:55):
I mean at the start of the season, if you
and I chatted about this in which okay, when in
fact we might have, when do you think they'll make
an accurate assessment? I think we both said at least
give them half a dozen. Yeah, at least I mean two.
It just seems so premature to me. But yeah, here
we are, Yeah, here we are. Okay, what's on the
show this afternoon, sir? Well, the Liam lost the stuff
I want to cover off tomorrow in quite some death

(01:42:17):
because after mid day today we've got Andrew Webster live
in studio will So Warrior's coach, for an extended chat
about the season, about his coaching philosophy, how he deals
with different types of players. Also what happened in Vegas.
I want to find out about that. So yeah, so, yeah,
well I'll give it a crack anyway. So Andrew Webster
leading us off after after twelve today A bit later on, well,

(01:42:38):
we'll do some Super Rugby and other bits and pieces. Yeah,
but for for weekend sport fans who want to chat
a bit of Liam Lawson, that opportunity will be after
mid day tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:42:46):
Who's your pick for Crusaders more Ona Pacifica this evening.

Speaker 25 (01:42:49):
I would love to see more Wana Pacifica win the show.
I don't think more Onana Pacifica will win the game
of rugby. I watched the Crusaders dismantle the Blues at
Eden Park a week ago and I was I'm oppressed
with them, man, I just it feels like last year
was just an outlier.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
And turn around it is crazy.

Speaker 25 (01:43:07):
And then you look at the players they have and
you think, well, actually, I'm not surprised. Will Jordan playing
like he you know, like he always has. I think
David Havili is a massive part of that team and
running the cutter in a in a you know, in
a relatively inexperienced backline, and then up front you've got
all sorts of all blacks here and there. So look,
I expect them to win and win. Well did you
catch the Hurricanes winning and.

Speaker 4 (01:43:26):
Winning well last night? Look it was a fello out
of that. It was only it was it was only
the task. You know, if it had been the Brumbies,
I would have been impressed.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
But no, no, no, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
It wasn't a bad performance last night. I tell you what, though,
Maybe Red Bull could learn something from the Crusaders right
and stickability and actually giving people a little bit more
of a chance and maybe not just running them off immediately,
because like you say, that turnaround is something.

Speaker 25 (01:43:48):
I'm going to write that down and own that opinion
as part of the lead and tomorrow Jay Tame here
is Jay pines that opinion and to reiterate that the
other one wasn't mine. I was merely playing people's advocate. Hey,
thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:44:03):
Looking forward to this afternoon, Sir Jason Pine behind the
mic for Weekie Sport right after the twelve o'clock news
before midday. We've got that new album from Mumford and
Sons that we're going to share with you. Next up,
we've got your book picks for this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,
Power by News Talks B.

Speaker 4 (01:44:24):
Twenty to twelve on news Talks Ed. Be time to
catch up with our book reviewer Katherine Rains, who has
two reads for us this weekend. Hey Catherine, morning Jack.
Let's begin with a new book from Rachel Paris. The
book is called See How They Fall.

Speaker 16 (01:44:39):
So this is written in a style that's a bit
like a Who Done It mystery, and it's set in Sydney,
and the story is told by two women who take
alternating chapters and points of view. And the first is
Sky who's a mum, and the second is Min who's
a police officer. And we meet Sky first off, and
she's married to Duncan Turner and together they have this
lovely six year old daughter called Tilly. And Duncan's father

(01:45:01):
is the very rich and famous Sir Campbell Turner, who's
this owner of this luxury goods empire, and he's just
died and his three sons, Jamie, Duncan and Hugo are
set to inherit the family business. And so to sort
things out and process what's gone on, the family decide
to gather for this weekend retreat so effectively they can
discuss the next steps of what's going to happen. But

(01:45:21):
added into the mix is Duncan's adult son, Cody, who
no one and the family has met. Duncan himself has
just learned that about him from a previous relationship. And
so as the family gets together, all the tensions and
tempers and all sorts of things begin to flare. And
then the next morning everything changes, and there's some tragic
events that happened Sky's daughter till He's been poisoned and

(01:45:43):
now in a coma, and Jamie's wife Nina, who was
also poisoned, has died, and everybody in the house, of course,
is now a suspect. And this is where my the
detective comes in, because she immediately knows that there's more
to the case that meets the eye, and Sky of
course is determined to find out who poisoned her little girl.
And then there's lots of secrets that will be uncovered
and people try to keep their secrets haden. And this

(01:46:05):
domestics sort of takes place over a week, and there's
lots of red hearings and a surprising ending, but great
twists and turns and some very interesting characters.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
Yeah cool, that sounds great, Catherine, Let's see how they fall.
It's by Rachel Paris. You've also read Nobody's Full the
latest from Harlan Coben, so nobody's.

Speaker 16 (01:46:22):
Full brings back an old character called Sammy Queses, who
was in for me once and that saw him being
stood down from the NYPD and his ex fiance now
had been murdered. And now he's teaching a chromeology car
class and his face from his past turns up in
his class. But he knows that this person is impossible

(01:46:45):
to meet because this woman called Anna is dead and
he had found her body covered in blood twenty two
years ago in Spain, and that was the point where
his whole life changed, because back there he's fled this
hotel room race to the police station to give a statement,
and then when the question that the officer's questioned his involvement,
he caught the first plane back to the States, and

(01:47:06):
this incident derailed his entire life, and he dropped out
of medical school. He drank himself into a blavion, and
he actually changed kreas to become a cop to redeem
himself almost And while he's in this classroom, he's thinking,
how can that be her? The last time he woke
up covered in her blood and a knife in his hand,
and when he acknowledges her, she runs, and so he's

(01:47:27):
trying to track down this woman who might be Anna
and discovers that she's connected to this very powerful family
and things start to come out of this decade's old mystery.
And then meanwhile, his ex fiance's convicted killer is released
from prison unexpectedly, claiming that he's innocent and wanting to
team up with Sammy to find the real murder.

Speaker 8 (01:47:47):
So, without giving.

Speaker 16 (01:47:48):
Away any spoilers, there's lots of mystery and action in
this book, and the very web of tangled lies and
mis directions and events, and it keeps you guessing and hooked.
And it's fascinating the way that everything starts to tie
together towards the end.

Speaker 4 (01:48:01):
Yeah, Harlen Common is so good.

Speaker 24 (01:48:02):
Eh.

Speaker 16 (01:48:02):
So he's so good at leaving these red hair and
these trails and you start to you kind of start
to go down this path and it's not really bad.
And how he ties his character it very clever.

Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
Either, very random bit of trivia for him. Do you
know he's friends with Chris Childhood, friends with Chris Christie.
You remember the governor of New Jersey ran for prison
a couple of times.

Speaker 5 (01:48:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
Anyway, Yeah, they are the friends from Charlhood. They grow
up together, so anyway, Small World, Thank you so much, Catherine.
So That's Nobody's Fall by Harlan Coben and See How
They Fall by Rachel Paris. Both of those books will
be up on the news Talk He'd be website if
you would like to read along at home, just to
keep you up to date with the cricket, the black
Caps Pakistan in Napier Huldy today black Caps are betting

(01:48:44):
thirty three for one. Will Young got out for one.
Nick Kelly is currently on fifteen not out. Henry Nichols
also at the crease on three. I think about seven
right overs have gone. If there's anything dramatic in the
next fifteen minutes or so, I'll make sure we'll let
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
Right now.

Speaker 28 (01:48:58):
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Speaker 5 (01:49:09):
It'd be when I.

Speaker 29 (01:49:10):
Look into yours, I feel further every time, but I
see the roots that take put a siver down my spine.
I came here asking nothing, but I'm leaving with a list.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
I was born.

Speaker 5 (01:49:27):
To believe the truth is.

Speaker 4 (01:49:31):
This is Mumford and Sons. That song is called Truth.
They've got a new album. It's their first in Yonks.
The album is called Rushmir, not Rushmore. It's called rash
Mer and our music review at stale Cliff it's been listening.
Hey Stelle, Hello.

Speaker 30 (01:49:47):
Anytime I try and write there and sewing my phone
or a message, it does change it to Rushmore one.

Speaker 5 (01:49:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:49:52):
So it's kind of one of those ones where you're
like what it also yeah, yeah, also, so that is
named it's after the place where they met. And yeah,
it's like a pond, Rushmere pond and so on their album.
Other is like the scenery and a pond, not rush
not Rushmia. Just some random photo of a pond in America.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
Okay, why why because they're sons, that's why, Stelle.

Speaker 13 (01:50:19):
Why didn't you take a photo of the proper play.
So yeah, I'm so weirded.

Speaker 4 (01:50:23):
Out by the You know, if you're horrified by that,
I've got some bad news for you.

Speaker 13 (01:50:27):
You're not loving this album.

Speaker 4 (01:50:30):
No, no, no, I was gonna say, there is no
month and they're not his sons.

Speaker 13 (01:50:35):
No, there's no sons.

Speaker 30 (01:50:36):
There's yeah, yeah, Marcus, there's Marcus and I guess maybe
he just looks at his friends as they're his sons,
his disciples.

Speaker 13 (01:50:45):
I don't know, we could go deep on that. That's
that song there.

Speaker 30 (01:50:50):
I actually do quite like it's a little bit of
a you know, a bit of a move different to
them than that. It's got that more rock, doesn't It
doesn't have a bando, so definitely more of a rock guitar.
There's quite a cool riff through it, which I think
is quite catchy, but probably not as obvious. And Sons
his voice is still quite the standout, like it's quite
distinctive I think.

Speaker 13 (01:51:11):
Over their music.

Speaker 30 (01:51:12):
So yeah, they're banjoist, little word banjoist, benjois player.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
Yep.

Speaker 30 (01:51:20):
He left a few years ago, which I guess was
the start of the end. So now they're down to
being a trio. There was like that seven year gap
Marcus Mumford did a solo album, but actually they've kind
of come back and I think probably a good place
to revisit where they began and what that actually means.
There is still, thank goodness, there is still some banjo
and folk, fast paced kind of stuff that I think

(01:51:42):
it would be weird if Mumford and Sons didn't give.

Speaker 13 (01:51:44):
Us some of that.

Speaker 30 (01:51:46):
I expect it, so you've got to have some of
it on there, and there definitely is some of that,
but it's probably just in a different kind of way.
I did see an interview with Marcus Mumford that hole
you have to be a little more. You actually have
to say what you're thinking, as opposed to hiding away,
because you can't be a minority factor when you're there's

(01:52:06):
three of you, Like you know, you can take two,
and two can take sides when you're coming up with
ideas or whatever, but there's three of you, there's no
real side to take because you're kind of like a
lone wolf. So he sees it's been quite a different
way in process to right. Everyone's had to share their
feelings perhaps a little bit more, which is probably quite good.
It's quite as sort of some dark, sort of I

(01:52:27):
guess topics at the start, with some form of hopeful
resolution towards the end. So there's an album where I
think they've done some storytelling from beginning to end, but
I don't think that necessarily means you have to listen
to the album like that. Marcus has been hanging out
with people like Joni Mitchell, Shuka Khan Forrell Williams and
people not like just casually call throwing out their names,

(01:52:51):
and Chris Martin and Coldplay, So he's probably been a
little bit influenced by by that. I guess influenced by
the fact that he spends more time in the States
in Nashville than he does anywhere else. So there's kind
of some of that sort of folk indie stuff that's
coming through a little bit more in their music, and
maybe that's sort of the some of the dark cloud
that's over that as well. They still do some really

(01:53:12):
nice There's a beautiful song actually called Where It Belongs,
and it's this calmer, acoustic, real rich harmonies track, you
know those beautiful and folks songs when those uses just
blend and it kind of gives you other tingles. That's
actually a really great song to showcase that and that
hope for kindness and that people need to shake off

(01:53:33):
their anger, because you know, there's there's a bit of
that day where it feels like.

Speaker 13 (01:53:36):
Everyone's just quite angry about things very much.

Speaker 30 (01:53:38):
So yeah, so that's that speaks to the tone of
where we're at, and I think that they do capture
that quite well. And I kind of like their call
to arms, strum along, full on as fast as you
can kind of song. I actually quite like that sort
of propulsion of energy moving forward.

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
It's kind of not very cold or something, but I
quite like their banjo stuff absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:54:03):
I just sort of distinctive to them, isn't it It is?

Speaker 4 (01:54:06):
And I'm not so totally sure about mumf and Sons
sands banjo.

Speaker 9 (01:54:11):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:54:12):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 30 (01:54:15):
If you've had a dedicated artist who that's the line
that they deliver in an album, it is going to
change that sound. And there's definitely more of that rock
guitar electric stuff than they've done where they used to
be that real acoustic kind of sound.

Speaker 13 (01:54:29):
Like I say, there is a bit of banjo, but
you know you.

Speaker 4 (01:54:31):
Don't have that that's so yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:54:35):
Yeah, but I agree with you. I think that was
their charm in the first place.

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
Yea.

Speaker 13 (01:54:39):
And and that's the thing.

Speaker 30 (01:54:41):
There's an energy about it that makes you kind of,
you know, tap your foot and you can't help but
be part of that.

Speaker 13 (01:54:45):
So there's still some of that in here, so you
won't miss it completely.

Speaker 4 (01:54:48):
But it is a different there's a different sound yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:54:51):
Yeah, it's very considered.

Speaker 30 (01:54:52):
It's coming out of some dark spaces. I think that's
probably probably okay too. There'll be something that's stick in
your head.

Speaker 13 (01:54:57):
More than others, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:54:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, Rush that you've got to
play soon. Yeah, that's the one. I think that that
sounds like a bit of a bang, right, come here
not more? Yeah, Rush Mayor, what'd you give it?

Speaker 13 (01:55:12):
I'm giving it a seven out of ten? Cool, it's
still a solid listen.

Speaker 4 (01:55:15):
Yeah, nice, okay, cool? Seven out of ten for Months
and Sons and Rush Mayor the latest album. Thank you
very much to Stell. We will see next week and
play that song for you in a couple of minutes
to see you know the black Caps have lost another.
Wicke at the Now thirty five for two, Henry Nichols,
Mark Chapman at the Crease seven to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
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Libby for doing all of the difficult stuff. I'm going

(01:56:04):
to be back with your next Saturday Morning from nine aim.
Until then, we're gonna leave you with Momfa and sons.
The new album is rush Me. This is the title track,
Don't Like.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
To Your sol.

Speaker 29 (01:56:18):
There's man Names and Marge Kennery. There's Beauty in the Bain,
Don't Lie to Yourself.

Speaker 31 (01:56:32):
Light me Up, bom Wasted in the Dark, rush Me
a restless heart. This something we might miss an.

Speaker 16 (01:56:52):
Sun, Don't let us down

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
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