Full Show Podcast: 3 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast
from News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Start your weekend off in style.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudkin in for Jack Tame and
BE Pure Quality Supplements for Essential Energy News Talks at B.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Welcome to Saturday Morning here on News Talks EDB. I'm
Franchesca Rudkins, filling in this week for Jack Tame. Jack
will be back with you next Saturday. I don't know
about you, but I am exhausted this. I have roaded,
I have done a couple of triathlons, I've been swimming,
of sprinted, I've been horse riding, playing golf. This week,

(01:08):
of course, I have been doing none of this. I
have just been sitting at home on the couch riding
the emotional roller coaster that is a sporting event like
the Olympics, and I am just loving the amazing performances
that we've seen from our kiwis and other athletes from
around the world. I hope you have been enjoying it too.
Andrew Saville will be with us shortly with his thoughts

(01:29):
on the week. Also on the show today, Olli and
Louis from Australian indie pop sensations Lie Cordial joined me
to talk about their third album ahead of their tour
here in October. We have some tickets to their gig
to give away later in the show. They're playing in
four different centers. You can go to any of those,
you can pick whichever one you want, So we'll be
giving those tickets away a little later in the show.

(01:52):
And I love a pie probably tell by taking a
look at me. The Pie Awards were this week. Nicky
Wicks is going to inspire us with a beautiful recipe
to make a blue cheese What has she got? It's
this beef beer and blue cheese pie. How good does

(02:12):
that sound? So that's coming up on the show as well.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
News Talk, said Bee.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
A headline in the news this week had me rolling
my eyes. Sometimes the arts make it hard for themselves.
The headline I'm referring to was about the New Zealand
Film Commission spending over sixteen thousand dollars on two farewell
and two welcome parties for their outgoing and incoming chief executives. Obviously,
no one stopped to think how this particular headline might

(02:38):
come across if they had the New Zealand Film Commission
might have read the room differently. It is not a
good look to have an autonomous crown entity whose job
is to distribute public money to the film industry creating
headlines about throwing parties and the scheme of things. This
isn't that much money, and if we weren't in the
middle of a cost of living crisis and with a

(02:59):
government facing long term fiscal deficits, this may never have
made the headlines. I'm pretty sure I've been to similar
farewell in the private sector, which have cost a lot more.
I should notice well that these celebrations took place in
twenty twenty three, before the October election, which delivered a
new government hell bent on making savings across the public sector,

(03:19):
as they should. But you could argue that we were
already in a cost of living crisis before the election.
A recession was expected, labor had started tightening the belt
and clamping down on costs, and we knew the policies
of the potential new coalition partners. They should have anticipated
how this would look. And of course, this follows news

(03:39):
that the New Zealand Film Commission paid a former boss
while over half a million dollars in leave in severance
payments just after nine months in the role when he
left in twenty twenty two. So none of this helps
the New Zealand Film Commission garner support from the public
and the New Zealand screen industry. It's worth the bomb.
It contributes three point five billion to the economy each year.

(04:00):
It's an incredible industry filled with some of the hardest working,
most innovative people I have ever worked with, and it's class.
But when it comes to the arts and culture and
public perception, you'll never be able to compete for funding
against the need for a better education and health system,
more police and safer roads. These headlines also great as
many organizations have done incredible work over the last nine

(04:22):
months to ensure stability in this struggling industry. SPARTA have
been lobbying tirelessly to make sure New Zealand on Air
was exempt from having to make the across the board
seven point five percent cut being asked of ministry funding.
New Zealand's longest running soap, Shortman Street, will air US
three episodes a week in twenty twenty five, a compromise
to keep the long running drama alive. The CEO of

(04:44):
TV and Z proved she got the memo about creating
headlines after Jodie O'Donnell accept an invitation for the IOC
to attend the Paras Olympics. She thought about it decided
it didn't pass the sniff test, so she is taking
leave and personally paying for the trip, even though she
will attend some meetings. A sensible decision, especially considering this week.
TVNZ also announced it needs to find another thirty million

(05:06):
in revenue or cuts. I am a huge supporter of
the arts, but silly headlines make it hard to encourage
others to support them too. Art and culture is pivotal
to creating vibrant cities, communities, to fostering a sense of belonging, pride,
identity and connection, and can be a good source of revenue.
So please stop making it so.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Hard to sell news talk, said Bee.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
So can you hear your thoughts? Was it a story
worth reporting on? And should have the film commissioned? Do
you think anticipated? The response? Can to hear from you
anytime throughout the morning. You can text on ninety two
ninety two up next. Kevin Milne is also finding the
Olympics a little exhausting. It is twelve past nine.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Francesco Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudkin in for Jacktaim and
be Pure Quality Supplements for Essential Energy News Talk.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Said, be good to have you with us.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
It's fifteen part US nine. Kicking us off this morning
is Kevin Melon.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Good morning, Kevin, Good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yes, she made some good points this morning. It actually
made her a bit sad because back when I was
working on TV and said there was the sort of
money that was spent on parties was phenomenal, often not
by TV and Zaid, but by TV and Zaid's advertising
company or various other characters. Their lawyers used to spend

(06:36):
huge amounts on fairgo, you know, just parties because they
made an awful lot out of Fairgo over the and yeah,
so we're in a couple of times. I'm kind of
pleased I'm not there anymore.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
We certainly Yeah. No, no free lunch is Kevin.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Hey, like you would like to see a change to
the Olympic motto.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, Francesca, the Olympic motto is citious altius fortius communitor faster, higher, stronger.
May I suggest another Latin word, de fesesius. It means tired, weary, jaded,
and exhausted. And that's how I'm feeling autter just a
week of Olympics. It's the least sleep I've had in

(07:20):
the years, and I'm sure I'm not on my own.
What gets you is being lured into watching Olympic events,
usually the heat well into the early hours of the morning,
and this creates a sort of buy in where you
feel the need to get up at the crack of
dawn to watch the finals, burning the Olympic torch at

(07:41):
both ends. I'm one of those sports fans who has
to watch events live.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Are you like that, Francis, Yes, My kids are obsessed
about that, Keivin. They will not pre record anything and
watch it later. They're like, there's no point, You've got
to watch it while it's happening. That's the whole point
of it. That's the excitement.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
It sounds like, you know, I'm not enjoying the Olympics,
but I'm just loving them. Really, They've been so much fun.
What about the rowing? You know what an incredible country
New Zealand is in terms of it's rowing now possibly
the best in the world. What about the try that triathlon?
What a what an extraordinary athletics event that turned into

(08:22):
What about the astonishing sport that wind sirtings evolved into
flying around at forty five k's an hour on foils.
It's all leaving near zombie during the day. It started
actually the first night of Olympic competition, I got sucked
into watching about in three hours of dress Arge, of

(08:43):
all things. I know nothing about dress Arge, but the
kiwis who went too bad. So I hung in for hours,
went to bed at four am, got up at six
point thirty to watch the Sevens. One thing I've discovered
just because you don't get any sleep at night doesn't
mean you'll be able to sleep during the day. So

(09:04):
I didn't sleep Sunday, and I was going to a
Jimmy Barns concert on Sunday night, and it's concerned I
might be the first person ever to fall asleep during
a Jimmy Barns concert. That Now, his show was brilliant.
He deserved the gold medal as well for Antiscia.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
You should just be grateful, Kevin, that you're not one
of our amazing team who were working from six pm
at night to about nine am in the morning. They
are doing an incredible job.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
They are absolutely Yeah. Yeah, the coverage is just remarkable, really,
isn't it. And you can go all over. I think
if anything, the coverage is too much. I can't keep
up a little. But yeah, loving it good.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Here's a question. Here's a question for you, Kevin. When
I'm watching these games and I've been a bit like you,
I'm just loving. I'm just thinking, what's two weeks of
being tired. I'll cat jump on some steek later when
I watch it. I think, now, if I was at
the Olympics, obviously I'm not going to be competing, probably
missed that boat. But if I was the assisting or helping,
what job would But I've decided that I would probably
be most suited to lying down at the rowing and

(10:12):
holding the boats. Yeah, although I wouldn't be able to
hold a Kiwi boat because it would be very hard,
not just to give them a little push, just a
bit of a nutch as they take off.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
My daughter keeps looking at that and saying to me,
why the heavens and twenty twenty four do we have
not had something that does that? Well, I know, but
you know that, which do you think you could actually
lie on your back and the sun and do that?
They've sort of got their head down under the water.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Very sensible hat ground shoulders.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
No, they've got very sensible hats. One, particularly the new
ho thought, now that's something I could do. I could
lie there quite so for a little while.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
That really, apart from being the person that fires the
that fires the pistol and the hundred meters final.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Oh well, look we're halfway there, Kevin, So best of
luck for the next week. Do try and get a
little bit of lovely to catch up with you this morning. Ken,
to hear from you as well about how you're feeling
about the Olympics. I'm a bit like Kevin. I'm quite
caught up in it and I'm finding it exhausting and
getting quite tense. And I loved watching Zoe run last night,
and it wasn't till the race was over both my

(11:22):
partner and I looked at you. Don't worry. We were
pretty nervous about that. Gosh, imagine being the parent of
an Olympian. So Ken to hear from you anytime this morning.
You can text on ninety two ninety two. It is
twenty one past nine.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Thank you for your text. Been texts to say that
he's loving the Olympics, but he's finding these Olympics aren't
as good as the last few. There's not as much
free to air available, which is a little bit of
a shame. I understand how you feel about that. Ben.
Another text here, I feel like I ride every jump
watching the equestrians. It's exhausting. Also loved the Turkish shooter

(12:05):
who got silver, took up the sport late in life
and doesn't use fancy glasses or gear ys. Those kind
of stories that kind of warm your heart. Ah, and
that's what the Olympics is all about, hearing those stories.
Thank you so much for your text. Of course, overnight,
the men's forty nine has added a silver medal to
New Zealand's tally. We now have six medals, two gold,
three silver and one bronze. And joining me now to

(12:25):
talk about his highlights of the week is Andrew Savil.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Good morning, Franjessica. How are you well?

Speaker 3 (12:30):
As I said, quite exhausted. I've been very busy. I've
been very busy doing a lot of sport from my
couch this week. Andrew.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah, and as Kevin mentioned, you don't really want to
wake up and watch a replay or record anything. You've
got to watch it live, right, especially when keywis are
going for medals like they did in the rowing the
other night and last night with the lightweight skulls. I
found myself drifting off on and off during the night.
Woke up, watch some golfer I've never heard of, drifted

(12:58):
off again, wake up watch some Kazakhstani and trampolining. Drifted
off again.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
So I found my self watching handball the other day
Andrew have it on. Check to myself and go Francesca.
You could probably do something else with your time right now.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
It's just it's hard. It's hard to turn away though,
isn't it. You just don't know what's going to happen.
You're watching a lot of sports you never watch, and
on that front, the highlight for me, apart from the
Kiwi medals and great to see the forty nine ers
winning silver late last night and carrying on that tradition
that Burling and Chuck and others across New Zealand's yachting

(13:35):
history of one tons of medals and Simone Biles has
just been one of the standouts clearly of these games.
The way she unfolded in Tokyo was obviously global, made
global headlines and everyone had a comment about.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
It, didn't they.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
But in these games she's bounced back literally and some
of the feats she pulls off, some of the moves
she pulls off. I don't think we'll ever see the
likes of again. Quite extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
No change the sport, hasn't she And that's what makes
you a goat.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Yep. The other highlight for me has been Snoop Dog.
Have you have you been keeping an eye on him
at the Games? No, it's quite remarkable. Really, here's this
aged rapper and he's become one of the superstars of
the Games. He's been learning to swim with Michael Phelps,

(14:30):
he's been with the US fencing team. He's been seen
round at all these different venues. He carried the torch
for a wee while and path through the streets of
Paris before the opening ceremony. It's been it's been quite
quite bizarre. NBC, which are the major American broadcasters who
pretty much run the television side of the games, not
only for America but globally. They've hired him and they're

(14:52):
using him all over the show, and he's very funny,
very very funny.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Have you been impressed with the coverage.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
You so have?

Speaker 6 (15:01):
Yep?

Speaker 7 (15:01):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
The TV technology just seems to get better every three years,
doesn't it. The insights were gaining visually. The one thing
that and I think Jack mentioned this last Saturday Francesca,
the one thing that television a lot of the time
doesn't do is you don't get a true indication of
the speed of the athletes. I'm talking the one hundred

(15:27):
meters the other track running the triathlon. I'll never forget
covering the two thousand and four Athens Triathlon when Hamish
Carter won gold and the speed of the cycling blew
me away. Then the run, they're basically you can't really
tell on TV, but they're basically sprinting for that whole
run with nothing left in the tank. And as we

(15:48):
saw what Aiden Wilde, he hit the wall with a
couple of hundred to go. But the pace at which
a lot of these athletes go is quite remarkable. The
one hundred If you go to an Olympic Games of
world champion at the one hundred meters and you sit
side on they are absolutely as we know fast, but
they are absolutely blazing two hundred meters as well around

(16:11):
the bend. Even four hundred meters eight hundred meters runners,
they look like they're sprinting the whole time. It's it's
something to behold. If you ever get the chance to
go and watch those athletes at the top level, that's
that's what's extraordinary for me.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
If you really want to get a feel of how
fast they're going. There are a lot of public tracks around,
so you just pop down to your local track.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Just go to a local meet.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
That's right, No, no, no, don't don't do that.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
You go down yourself.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
You go down to the track, get your watch set
in the time, and off you go, and that will
give you a really good idea of just how.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
Incredible you start at the start line of one hundred
meters right, and then intense sit you start, and then
in ten seconds time you stop and you see how
fay you've got exact and then you realize, hold on
a minute, these athletes have run the whole distance in
that time exactly.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
But look, talking about athletics, how fantastic was it to
see the first day of athletics where it really was
just heats and qualifying a sold out crowd. The atmosphere
just must have been fantastic for.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Crowd have been the other The other big positive that
the rugby sevens. I didn't think they'd get that many
people there, but the French obviously a lot of people
have descended upon Paris and France of the Games, and
there's spear tickets in some events, rugby seven's being one
of them until late in the peace. So I thought
the crowd there was fantastic. The crowds of the track

(17:33):
last night when Zoe Hobbs ran a superb amazing facility
that started to France despite it being what twenty twenty
five years old. They've laid a track around the outside
and it looks it looks fantastic. So's a question the
track and field, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Soorry, quick question for you, Andrew, quick question for you.
One of the commentators was saying last night that they reckon.
They've been down on the track and had a little
run around and they said they reckon. It will be
a fast track, now, how can it be one hundred meters?
Is one hundred meters right? So was that basically the
design of the stadium and how the roof is assigned
or something like that. Why is it a fast track?
What makes it fast?

Speaker 5 (18:08):
I think more that's obviously a brand new track, and
an athletics track does contain a fair amount of bounce
in it, okay, and has rubber rised to a degree.
So I think the fact that it's new, and I
think I heard Zoe Hobbs mentioned the other day it
is going to be a fast track that feels good.
She's been training on it. It's brand new, so there
is a little bit of give, an extra give in it.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yep, Grand thank you for answering that for me. I
appreciate that. Andrew saviill and joy the rest of your day.
Good to catch up with you. And of course tonight
tomorrow morning, we've got Emma Twig in the women's single
skulls final tonight at eight fifteen Tom Macintosh and the
men's single skulls final at eight point thirty. Zoe Hobbs
is in the one hundred meter semifinal. At five point

(18:50):
fifty am tomorrow morning. She is the first New Zealand
woman to feature in a one hundred meter Olympic sprint
in nearly fifty years, so it's definitely worth flicking on
gold Sport early tomorrow morning in bed and enjoying that
race and Eric Afair. There's going to be an eight
hundred meter freestyle final at seven five am tomorrow morning
as well. There's still a huge amount to come at

(19:13):
the Olympics, right Chris Schultz is up next with our
movie picks for the week. You're with News Talks that be.
So it has been confirmed by Britney herself that a

(19:35):
film adaptation of Britney Spears's memoir The Woman and Me
is in the works. It is, of course far too
early to think about who may play Britney, but of
course lots of people are speculating on who could portray
Spears and the key players in her life. Sabrina Carpenter,
Sidney Sweeney or Julia Garner are a few of the
names that have been thrown around. I don't think that

(19:56):
Justin Timberlake is going to turn up and play himself, however,
So there we go, Britney Spears fans. The movie is
coming right, it is time to talk film now, and
Chris Schultz joins me. Good morning, Chris, Good.

Speaker 8 (20:09):
Morning, Franciska. Are you in the mode for a bit
of horror.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I like the fact that we've got a horror horror
film thing today. You're going to start off with a
film called Long Legs. Let's take a listen.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Is it scary being a lady FBI agent?

Speaker 9 (20:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:27):
The letter was left with the body is one word.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Oh okay, it's just not gonna been caught up in that, Chris.
It's a reminder about how important the soundtrack is in
a horror right.

Speaker 8 (20:51):
Yeah, it's me Tell's toe. It's taken me back last
weekend when I was in the cinema alone watching this movie.
This is Long Legs. This is the big horror hit
of the year. There always seems to be one of these, right,
Like last year we had talked to me that one
about the hand that was conjuring spirits from the other side.

(21:13):
This is this year's big hat. This has been an
absolute blockbuster. Everyone's talking about it. It's made more money
than anyone ever thought it would, and it's very much
indebted to those kind of nineties horror films we grew
up on, like seven. I want to say seven is
the big influence here. David Fincher's Brad Pitt, Gwyneth Paltrow
heading a box film. It's this is an young FBI agent,

(21:35):
a female FBI agent on the hunt of a serial
killer in Portland in the nineties, and it's it's grimy,
it's grizzly. There's cameras going in the bedrooms that you
really kind of don't want them to go in. There's
weird symbols, there's puppets, it's all that kind of stuff.
But I think the thing that is really driving this
over the edge is Nicholas Cage. And let's talk about

(21:58):
Nicholas Cage for a minute, because we've seen this guy
play heroes and villains and butchers and drunks. And the
last thing I saw him and he was turning up
in people's dreams. He's played himself in movies like what
three times now he's more meta than meta itself. Here
he's playing something I've never seen him play though, this

(22:20):
complete odd ball weirdo. He's not really in the movie March,
but when he is, it is absolutely chilling. And so
I think it's his performance that sort of has everyone
talking about this film. That's why people are going to
the cinema to see that. Because he's not in the trailer,
you don't get to see anything of him beforehand. It's

(22:40):
just that kind of word of mouse suspense, like what
is he doing here? You've got to kind of see
it for yourself to believe it.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, it cost ten million to make. They spent about
ten million on a digital marketing campaign, and it's already
pulled fifty eight million in the US alone at cinemas.
So this is definitely going to be the hit of
the season. Hey, but tell me a little bit about
I saw the TV Glow. We'll have a listened to
the trailer first.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Remember a TV show we used to watch together, then
think of eat.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, sometimes the Pinko peek feels more real in real life.

Speaker 10 (23:17):
Manage It was a TV show?

Speaker 11 (23:23):
Are you sure that's all it was?

Speaker 12 (23:27):
So?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
I Saw the TV Glow is screening in the New
Zealand International Film Festival, which of the course runs from
has started in some parts of the country, running through
until the fourth of September. Tell me about it.

Speaker 8 (23:38):
Yeah, this is part of the Film Festival which starts
this week. There's so much good stuff in the film festival.
Just pick five films at random and you'll have a
great time. This is the film, though, that I've chosen
because I've just had my eye on it for a while.
And again, this is another nineties indecert movie. It's clearly
a trend filmmakers a turning to the nineties for inspiration.

(24:02):
This is about a couple of kids who fall in
love with a TV show. They bond over it, they
obsess about it. It's called The Pink Opaque, and it
very much reminded me of when I used to trade
X files videotapes with my mates because I missed an episode.
It's that kind of obsession, and that's the kind of
show they're watching, this kind of weird mystery show, which

(24:25):
is in the movie. They do have scenes from the
show that they've created a TV show within the movie,
and then things just kind of spiral from there. I
don't want to give too much away, but this reminded
me of the great Jake Gillenahll movie Donnie Darko, that
weird kind of feeling where it's just unnerving. There's this

(24:46):
is kind of creeping sense of as things aren't right here,
and it's not necessarily about what happens. It's just that
kind of overwhelming sensation that this movie gives you. The
other thing I would say about this, and the reason
I had my eye on it, is the soundtrack is incredible.
It's all original music and some of the artists perform

(25:06):
in the Phoebe Bridges, Carolyn Polcheck, that kind of indie
rock stuff. But our nineties is this new metal singer
Limb Biscuit front man Fred Durst has a role in
this movie. So that's what we're talking about. That's how
indebted to the nineties this movie is. Can I to say,
if we're going to do this ninety thing this hard,

(25:27):
can we just bring back the big day out once
and for all and get it done.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
I couldn't agree with you more. Chris Hey, thank you
so much for the recommendation. So Long Legs is playing
in cinemas. I saw the TV glow as at the
New Zealand International Film Festival, and the New Zealand International
Film Festival has already returned. It started on the thirty
first of July. It's featuring over one hundred films from
over twenty four countries. We've got tickets up for grabs

(25:50):
to Never Look Away. It is Lucy Lawless's directorial debut
with her documentary exploring the life of Kiwi video journalist
Margaret Moth. I spoke to Lucy Lawless about this documentary
last week on the Sunday session. You can go back
and have listened to that interview. Margaret Moth was an
extraordinary way and Lucy Lawla says, had a wonderful job
of bringing her life to the big screen. Definitely worth catching,

(26:12):
so to be into win register now at news Talk
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Speaker 12 (26:17):
In Z.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Saturday mornings with Francesca rudgin in for Jack daim keeping
the conversation going through the weekend with Vpewer Folcy Settlements
for Essential Energy News Talks at b.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Thank you very much to whoever texts me to remind
me about the two guys in the shot put final
in the warning too. Yes, Jack O'Gill and Tom Walsh
are competing around five thirty five am as well. In
that final, another person takes to say the most mind
boggling speed to me is the walkers. They do sub
four minute kilometers. I couldn't run one kilometer at that

(26:57):
if I tried exactly what my lovely producer Libby said
the morning. This morning, she'd been watching the walking and
she was both amused and amazed at the same time.
Someone asked the question, who is that Roman commentator with
possibly a South London accent, who is just entertainment in
himself calls Emma twig Twiggy. Actually he's got nicknames for

(27:17):
lots of people. I don't know if somebody has caught
who they are, do flick us a text and let
us know. But you're right, they tour adding to the entertainment, right.
Our resident chef, Nicky Wicks, joins us.

Speaker 13 (27:30):
Now, good morning, Yes, good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 14 (27:34):
Very cold morning.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Oh is it a bit chilly out there?

Speaker 9 (27:37):
Is it?

Speaker 12 (27:37):
But chilli?

Speaker 13 (27:38):
But chilli?

Speaker 14 (27:38):
Yes, that's okay, Well exactly, And of.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Course it's been the Pie Awards this week, so I'm thrilled.

Speaker 13 (27:48):
I love pies, Oh, pies are the best. And I
love that New Zealand has Pie Awards. I mean, I
know the Olympics are going on, but I was a
little more tuned into who was going to win the
gold and the silver and the Supreme Pie Awards.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I think I think a lot of New Zealanders have
shown just as much interested where they can get a
good pie from.

Speaker 13 (28:10):
I'm really going to encourage listeners to do one of
two things. Or maybe boats and let's go on to
the Pie Awards website and find out where there is
a good pie in your neighborhoods, because you will find
that out, I'm sure. Or and or make this pie.
I've got a beef, beer and blue cheese pie for
us this morning.

Speaker 11 (28:29):
How does that sound?

Speaker 3 (28:30):
It sounds delicious.

Speaker 11 (28:32):
I know it's so good.

Speaker 13 (28:34):
And look it's super easy. I've cheated a little bit.
I wouldn't be able to enter this one in the
Pie Awards because I make a beautiful filling and then
I pop that in a pie dish, and then to
save any sort of soggy pastry drama, I just put
one layer of pastry on the top. So technically not
really a pie. It's more of a pot pie. But

(28:55):
I'll tell you what, you will not regret your decision
to make this.

Speaker 14 (28:59):
Here's what I do.

Speaker 13 (29:00):
I take about this serves about four or maybe six,
but I'd say four five hundred grand of beef chunks.
Now I use a chuck or.

Speaker 14 (29:08):
A blade steak, which does.

Speaker 13 (29:10):
Require some cooking down. If you want to make a
sort of make it shorten the time a little bit
the cook time, what you can do is you could
use rump steak for this would be really great as well, Francesca.
I cut that up into nice little bites of large
bite sized pieces. Sprinkle some flour. I use about two
tablespoons of flour, and it's going to sticken up our
gravy and our pie. Sort of toss the beef in that,

(29:31):
and then in a saucepin, heat a little bit of
oil and then take a large onion, oh sorry, a
little bit of oil and then brown that meat off.
And I do that in batches so that it doesn't stew.
If you don't have enough air circulating around the meat,
then it will just kind of stew, which is not
what we want. So do it and a couple of batches,
and then just sort of set that aside. Use that

(29:52):
same saucepin, saute one large onion that you've diceed. I
use two carrots because I love a bit of carrot
and a beef pie. And I also use three cloves
of garlic crushed, so saute all of that you can
scrape off all the yummy bits that get stuck on
the box them. Pour over three hundred and thirty meals,
which is basically a can of beer. I'd set an

(30:12):
ale or a lager, but something that's not too sweet.
I'd go for a darker ale, but probably not a
stout might be a little bit too strong, and so
pour that beer over it and just let that bubble
up a little bit. Add the meat back, and then
I take two tablespoons of tomato pure. Just a little
word on that. I don't love tomato pure because it's
often a little bit concentrated for me, But in this dish,

(30:34):
I don't want too much liquid in their Francesca, so
I don't want to add sort of just plain tomatoes.

Speaker 12 (30:39):
If you like.

Speaker 13 (30:40):
So tomato pure works of your treat. One bay leaf
if you've got it, and then a decent amount of
salt and lots of cracked pepper. Lower the heat and
simmer it for an hour or more with the cover on,
with the lid on, and that's really until the meat
is well tenderized. Again. You could cut that cooking time
down if you wanted to use a rump steak, but
a good chuck.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
And a blade.

Speaker 13 (31:01):
They have lots of flavor, but they to take a
bit of cooking. Then you need to cooll that off.
So you can do this the day before as well.
Heat the oven to two hundred degrees. Selsiers because pastry
loves are really hot. Oven grease are kind of a
pie dish or a ceramic dish, either one. This makes
about a twenty three centimet a round dish, so around
about that. If it's square, you make the adjustment. Laid

(31:24):
all of your beautiful cold filling into your pie dish,
and really pile it up, Francesca, because it will as
it cooks in that gravy you know, I suppose warms
up and goes a bit more liquidy, it will sort
of sink down, So make sure that you pile it up.
Doesn't matter if it's a little mini mountain of your filling.
Sprinkle over some blue cheese. I've used one hundred grams

(31:44):
of blue cheese here. Get a nice strong one. Roll
out some pastry you can use ready rolled if you like,
I use flaky pastry for this. You could get away
with a short pastry that it'd be fine. Just make
a lid out of that obviously big enough that's going
to stretch and cover over that that filling. Give it
a bit of an egg wash around the sides, which
is with a little whistair drape that drape the lid

(32:05):
over the filling, press it down to seal it really
well in the rim of whatever dish you're using, and
then use a really sharp knife and make a few
steam holes in the pastry. That means you get a
beautiful crisp pastry topping on that. Brush it with the
beaten egg. With that beaten egg, lower your oven temperature
now to one hundred and eighty bangness in the oven
about forty minutes until the pastry is really good and

(32:26):
golden brown. Most common mistake with pies, I think is
that people don't quite or any sort of pastry cooking.
As people undercook the pastry, they think all that's golden.
Make sure it's sort of golden brown, and serve big
spoonfuls of this pie, maybe with some mashed buds or peas,
or even a fresh leafy salad, because salads aren't just

(32:47):
for summer, and sometimes the heaviness of a pie can
be really nice to have something fresh with it. So
how does that sound.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Let's talk about the blue cheese and the beagg because
blue cheese can be a little bit polarizing. Does it
overwhelming the taste of the pie.

Speaker 11 (33:01):
Or it.

Speaker 12 (33:04):
Really doesn't.

Speaker 13 (33:04):
It just provides a beautiful tank, So great question. Look,
if you really aren't a fan of blue cheese, you
could use a good cheddar would work well, just sort
of maybe great, the equivalent of that over it. It
just gives a It gives a beef a beautiful little tang.
If you didn't want to use beer, you could use
the equivalent amount of stock if you like, so just
a veg stock or something like that. And don't worry

(33:27):
that when you're making the beef mixture, when it's hot,
it will look quite liquidy, but it'll sticken a little
bit with that flower. But then once it's cooled down,
it should be quite sort of solid so that it'll
sit in your pie nicely. And then of course once
it gets reheated, that gravy starts to loosen and you'll
have a beautiful result.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Is beer like wine? Do you when you cook it?
Do you burn off alcohol?

Speaker 15 (33:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (33:51):
You do?

Speaker 13 (33:51):
So even if you're a non drinker, as I am,
it won't matter, because that will have all evaporators. I've
made a similar pie using using a bit of a
combination of red wine. Red wine as lovely in a
pie as well as stock. But again, you know, well
we're out of dry July now. At least for those
people that were doing that, I think you should carry
on and do good August or something as well.

Speaker 17 (34:15):
Well.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
You know a lot of people do, don't they. A
lot of people get ryan. Yeah, I feel pretty good.

Speaker 13 (34:21):
I know something that's a bit of money takes a
bit of money. I haven't had any any mornings where
I feel a little shabby carry a lot.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
I all that.

Speaker 13 (34:35):
Though I'm a non drinker, I have plenty of alcohol
in the house because I do love to cock with it.
I think it gives it that extraordinary sort of slight
so tang forment, that mysterious flavor so wine and beer
and that sort of thing is pretty lovely. But no,
by all means you could replace that with stock.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Thank you so much, love you to talk to you,
Nikki Wixon. Of course you'll be able to find that
recipe on our website Newstalk ZDB dot co dot nz
Ford slash Jack. You're with Saturday Mornings. It is eight
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Speaker 1 (35:05):
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Speaker 3 (35:18):
I'm Francisca Rudkin filling in for Jack Tame just for
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(35:39):
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It's watching the trampoline this this morning. Man, that was
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(36:01):
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(36:26):
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(36:48):
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Speaker 1 (38:55):
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Speaker 3 (39:03):
B Good morning and welcome to Saturday Mornings. I'm Frank

(39:23):
Chesca Rudkins filling in for Jack Tame for the morning.
Can be back next Saturday now. Lime Cordial, who you're
listening to now, are Australian's ultimate purveyors of breezy indie rock.
Brothers Ollie and Louis have amassed more than half a
billion streams on Spotify since the band's inception in two
thousand and nine. As well as backing multiple ARIA Awards

(39:45):
and performing around the world. They have even cemented themselves
as standouts, even more so with their brand new album
Enough of the Sweet Talk and the Lime Cordial Boys
are Worth Me Now. Good morning, Good to have you
with us.

Speaker 19 (39:57):
Good morning, good to be here.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Congratulations third album were who?

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (40:04):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 20 (40:05):
Like I remember doing our first album and we didn't
feel like we were going to be taken seriously as
a band until we had an album out.

Speaker 19 (40:13):
So now we're at number three. Yeah, it's pretty insane.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Tell me a little bit. This is a bit of
a concept album in a way. Tell me a little
bit about sort of what's behind this album, because you
try to tell it, you're telling the story of a
relationship sort of in a chronological order.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (40:29):
I mean we're still trying to work out whether it
is a concept album or not. I'm still getting familiar
with that term, but it's been thrown around a bit,
and I guess if there's a concept behind an album
as a whole, then you call it a concept album,
right that?

Speaker 19 (40:44):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (40:44):
I'm probably showing my age by calling it a concept album.

Speaker 19 (40:48):
I'd say let's go with concept album.

Speaker 20 (40:50):
It sounds it sounds good, it sounds artie, it sounds professional.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Do you know what I do? You know what I
love about that, though, is that you know I've got
two teenage kids who don't understand anything beyond shuffling an
album and shuffling songs and things, you know. And I
grew up in an area, and I mean, and we
still have vinyl these days, but you know, CDs and
vinyl and things. You put an album on and you
listen to it from the beginning to the end, and

(41:14):
it kind of took you on a journey and that
was sort of the part of the joy of listening
to an album.

Speaker 20 (41:19):
Right, yeah, And I mean, I think we had maybe
the biggest year of vinyl sales last year ever, so
vinyls are kind of popping off more than ever, and
people it's a good sign because people love to have
a little bit more than just a file on their
computer or be streaming and they want to, yeah, just
be a bit more involved and be able to look

(41:41):
through this artwork, which is really cool to know that
that's coming back more than ever.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
It was nice to have a big physical piece of
art in your.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Hand as well.

Speaker 20 (41:50):
Absolutely, and listening to an album from front to back.
I think you know, the move from like napster and downloading,
you know, a song by song when you're on dial
up internet and you can only really download one song
at a time. You know, now that we're on streaming services.
It feels like people are kind of going, oh, have

(42:13):
you heard this album? I'll put on the whole album.
So there's that does feel pretty great. You know, people
are enjoying getting into a whole thing.

Speaker 19 (42:21):
But yeah, we've got we've.

Speaker 20 (42:23):
Got a big, big Spotify liked songs list that we
just shuffle through. So there's definitely guilty. We're guilty of
the shuffle, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
I think we all are. Does the love or the
heartbreak belong to one of you or both of you?

Speaker 6 (42:42):
I think that's the funny thing about doing it together.
It's sort of you know, you have to you have
to separate. You're living the same you know, heartbreaks and
love affairs and you know all of that, and then
you have to come together and talk about it and
try and sort of put that all on paper, and you.

Speaker 19 (43:01):
Know, therapy sessions. Therapy sessions we've been calling.

Speaker 20 (43:04):
Yeah, we've sort of realized that these songs running sessions
of sometimes the only time.

Speaker 19 (43:09):
We chat about deep issues.

Speaker 20 (43:11):
You know, being Australian men, we just like don't go
deep all the time or prefer not to talk about something.
But if it's for the greatness of a song that's
more important to us. So we ended up we end
up talking about these things that we don't always talk about.
But you know, I've been in a relationship for ten
years now, so more of the heartbreak is probably on

(43:34):
Louis's end with this one, unfortunately for him, not unfortunately
for me. I'm only a great time.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Sorry. I don't want to speak on behalf of all
the men of New Zealand, but I'm sure that they
feel very much the same way you do. Was there
any hesidency going into the third album? I mean, the
first two have just been received so well.

Speaker 20 (43:56):
Yeah, you know, we're really proud of how our last
albums have gone. And yeah, third album definitely way more pressure,
I think, you know, and our fan base is bigger,
so you're sort of dropping an album to a bigger
fan base. There's definitely, you know, it's definitely what slowed
it down at times for sure. And yeah, when we

(44:20):
first started, we wanted to kind of rush through it.
We were like, you know, let's finish this album before
the end of the year, and it was already September,
so we thought we thought we could do it, and
I don't think it really got finished for another.

Speaker 19 (44:33):
Like year and a half or something. We had a
lot of breaks.

Speaker 20 (44:36):
I think it was important for us to have to
get to a point and then just sort of sit
with it and have a break and not listen to it.

Speaker 19 (44:44):
Yeah, not listen to it for a.

Speaker 20 (44:45):
While, or you know, just listen to it from the
phone speaker instead of in a studio and then pump
it in the car with a few friends. So just
to kind of yeah, I guess, sit with it, get
used to it, get different opinions and different perspectives.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
What I love about the songs Louis is there's there's
so much and the all there's all these layers and
instruments and samples and sounds, and you're not and you
don't quite know what's going to come nicked. When you
write the songs, do you do you see them as
a whole? Do you hear all those those sounds or
does that work come when you get into the studio.

Speaker 20 (45:22):
Well, when we're writing, we tend to write and sort
of produce the song at the same time, So there
are a lot of parts from the from the get
go we're not or we're not really. Yeah, we don't
often just write at a piano or on an acoustic guitar,
although we're sort of trying to do that more because
I think then you really get the essence of just

(45:43):
the song without getting distracted by like a cool synth
part or a horn line or something like that. So
we yeah, but often, you know, often we might start
with a guitar riff and that's the first thing that
comes in, you know, or a cowbell or something you know,
early on.

Speaker 19 (46:02):
So yeah, but I mean.

Speaker 20 (46:04):
We love as as tormenting as being in the studio
can be sometimes, you know, listening over and over music
and having your doubts. I think we loved making sounds
and weird sounds. We love being in the studio, and
you know, at some point we're pretty keen to build

(46:24):
our own studio some point soon, just because we have
so many weird and whack.

Speaker 19 (46:29):
Instruments that we can bring into a studio.

Speaker 20 (46:32):
We did most of this at our farm on the
mid north coast of New South Wales, and you just
take take over the living room, you know, and you
can put all of your keyboards together in one corner,
and then there's the piano in another corner of the room,
and all different guitars that you've got and then weird

(46:53):
percussion and yeah, so we've got it's kind of this
We've managed to fill the room with likes mess and
beautiful instruments and sounds, and you know, even went out
into the field and recorded.

Speaker 19 (47:06):
Aw so you can hear that at the end of it.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
I did hear that?

Speaker 4 (47:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (47:10):
Yeah, so so then so then of course, now you
need to take all these wacky instruments and these sounds
and you need to turn it into a live show.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
And of course, you know, you guys have been performing
forever and you're about to hit out on a really
big tour of Australia and you're coming here to New
Zealand and things. Is that fun? Is that fun? Kind
of taking this album and going okay, now, how do
we how do we play this live? How do we
do this?

Speaker 19 (47:32):
We just mind it?

Speaker 20 (47:35):
Yeah, got the lip thinking, yeah, yeah, get one of
those little radio marks comes down. Yeah, no, where it's scary,
it's definitely. You know, when you first write the song,
you know how to play it so well, and you're
playing it all the time, and then like we haven't
actually played these songs since we recorded them, and that

(47:57):
was a little while ago. Now, so we've sort of
forgotten how to do it, so now you have to.
It becomes a point where you sort of have to
relearn your songs, which sounds sounds crazy to people that
aren't musicians, but I think most bands and artists they're
in the same boat with that, Like I don't know
how to play that song. I need to relearn how

(48:17):
to do it, So learn your own song. Yeah, so
that's what we're working on right now, getting into the
studio and sorry, getting into the rehearsal room and then yeah,
going out and playing these songs for the first time.
So it's scary, but it's also like we need to
know how audiences react in venues, so you know, to

(48:39):
really know how the song's going, what's.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
The live scene like in Australia. We've got a lot
of big, big artists touring here in New Zealand who
seem to be doing quite well. But you talk to
a lot of local artists and they say, people, you know,
we've had a bit of a cost of living crisis
and a bit of a struggle after COVID and it's
sort of struggling a little bit. How is it in Australia.

Speaker 19 (48:59):
It's the same thing.

Speaker 20 (49:00):
Sydney live music scene has changed a lot since we
first started. A lot of venues closed down because we
had a curfew that came in meant that nothing could
go on past whatever it was, like eleven or twelve
o'clock at night.

Speaker 19 (49:16):
A lot of venues couldn't survive.

Speaker 20 (49:17):
And then there was COVID and then there's just a
bunch of old conservatives that are making noise complaints and
closing down venues. So yeah, the Sydney's had a bit
of a hard time. Melbourne has always been the hub
for Australian music and it seems to be that way still.

(49:37):
I don't know how we managed to not move to Melbourne,
but I think if you're in the country, or maybe
if you're in New Zealand and you wanted to go
to a big city, Melbourne's probably the one to move
to arts and culture. But even people get, you know,
feel like Australian Australia is too small and they feel
like they need to move to la or over to

(49:59):
Europe or something because there's more avenues.

Speaker 19 (50:02):
Really that's the thing, more avenues and of reaching people
in different countries.

Speaker 20 (50:09):
But at the same time, I feel like you need
to kind of make your own avenues so you can
hustle and get your get your music out there in
so many different ways. Definitely online, but for us it
was live gigs have been kind of the main thing
for getting out there.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
I know that you guys are really conscious too about
this job that you have, which sees you touring the
world and things, but you're very focused sort of on
the environment and sustainability. How have those values impacted how
you do your job?

Speaker 19 (50:48):
Well, we feel like.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Aside from just making beer, yeah, yeah, carbon neutral beer.

Speaker 19 (50:54):
Carber neutral beer.

Speaker 20 (50:55):
You know, well, I guess the story behind the beer
is that we were making a consumable product and we
felt bad about you know, we don't necessarily want to
put more trash out into the world, so you know,
making that carbon neutral and cans instead of glasses. Like
the different different reasons behind how we've done things with
the beer making the same as with our merchandise. Merchandise

(51:18):
we like it to be you know, not polyester and
organic cotton or hemp bamboo if we can, because.

Speaker 19 (51:27):
Yeah, you know, like fast fashion is a big problem.

Speaker 20 (51:30):
And then I think the main thing for us that
we feel bad about is air you know, airplanes just
flying all over the world, and they obviously you can't
do an electric plane or a green hydrogen plane over
to England right now, but there's still alternatives to kind
of offset. And then if you're looking into offsetting, you've

(51:53):
got to make sure that it's credible and you're not
just ticking the box on quantus and that seems like
you're doing the good thing.

Speaker 19 (52:01):
You got to look into it.

Speaker 20 (52:02):
A little bit more so with sort of like every
part of the business, and it's a high carbon producing
business that we've got. We want to keep touring and
we want to keep making music, but we are trying
to look at each little area and see where we
can do better essentially. So yeah, that's our project at

(52:26):
the moment.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Because it's been a delight to talk to you. Thank
you so much for your time, and thank you for
the album. Loving it. You know how music reviewers often
use that term. They often say something sort of isnfictious
indie pop music. And I always read that and go,
oh yeah, yeah. And I got halfway through the album
and I was like, oh my gosh, this is it.

(52:48):
This is infectious indie pop music. I'm going to listen
to this. I know already I'm going to listen to
this again and again and again. It put me in
such a great mood. There's something about hand claps. You know,
you're singing about getting cold treatment and it's hand claps,
and I'm in the cag and I love it and
I'm thinking having a lot loving it. Hey, thanks so much, guys.

Speaker 19 (53:09):
Thanks for having us. Thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (53:11):
Chao.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Lime Cordiell is heading over to New Zealand and October
this year for shows Dunedin, christ Church, Wellington and Auckland.
We have got one double pass to give away to
your nearest show. All you have to do is text
Lime that's Lime with your name and which show you'd
like to attend to ninety two ninety two and we

(53:33):
will be picking a winner before the end of the show.
So it doesn't matter whether you're in need in christ Church, Wellington, Auckland,
WHI show you want to go to, we will make
that happen. So we have got one double past to
give away right here we Actress Rebecca Gibney has a
new show. She stars in Ossie drama Prosper which is
screening on TV and Z Plus alongside one of my
favorite Ossie actors. Tara Award, is with us next with

(53:55):
her TV picks for the week.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Wow, start your weekend off in style.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudkin in for Jack Tame and
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Speaker 18 (54:08):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Lovely to be with you. It is twenty four past ten.
If you're keen for those Lime Cordial tickets, remember all
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got for us when it comes to her TV picks
for the week. Always love your picks. Tara, good morning,

(54:31):
Oh good morning. So Prosper. We're going to start with
you know what. I started watching this and I have
to be honest, I immediately compared it to the New
Zealand series Testify.

Speaker 17 (54:41):
Yes, it's very similar to Testify, and the Prosper sort
of came out in Australia at the start of the
year very close to Testify, So I think that's why
it's taken perhaps a few months for it to come
over here to New Zealand. But this is a new
Australian thriller. It's just come to TVNZ plus and it's
about a family who run an evangelical megachurch in Sydney
and what happens to that family when their ambition and

(55:04):
their faith collide, and it's led by a very enigmatic,
quite manipulative father figure. They have this perfect image in
the church, but the reality is that everyone in the
family has a lot of secrets. They're living very sinful
lives and as the church grows in power, the family
begin to implode. And as you say, lots of similarities
to Testify, which is also on TVNZ Plus and also

(55:26):
about a family running a mega church and the secrets
that we're hiding beneath the surface. This goes a little
harder on the corruption and the betrayal side of things.
It's a little bit meteor in terms of the plot,
I think. And the cast is just amazing. I mean,
you've got Richard Roxborough, who was one of my favorite
shows Rake I would watch him in anything, and New
Zealand actress Rebecca Gimney as well, who's a bit of

(55:47):
a Lady Macbeth figure. So it's about religion, it's about family,
it's about power and corruption and ambition and how that
can go all wrong. And a really solid watchable Australian drama.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Yeah no, I love Richard Rocksburg as well. If you
haven't watched Rake, folks, try and find it somewhere. He is.
He's the most lovable rogue you're ever going to meetute. Now,
something quite different is Women in Blue and this is
on Apple TV.

Speaker 17 (56:11):
Yes, this is very different. This is a new crime drama.
It's loosely based on a true story and it's about
the first women who became police officers in Mexico City
during the nineteen seventies and they're hunt for a serial killer.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
And these women kind.

Speaker 17 (56:25):
Of defied the conservative norms of the time. Instead of
staying at home and raising their children, they wanted to
be the first women to train as police officers. But
what they didn't know was that this new female force
was just a pr stunt from the Mexican police to
distract people from the fact that they hadn't.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
For the serial killer yet.

Speaker 17 (56:45):
And when the women eventually realized this, they decide to
find the serial killer of their own. And I came
to this thinking that it was inspired by a true story.
My understanding is they've been very loose with the facts here,
and so the tone of this I found a little
bit uneven. You know, sometimes it's a comedy, sometimes it's sophy,
sometimes it's action. I think it's probably best to come

(57:05):
to this with no expectations. Just think of it as
a as a fictional drama. I mean, it's Apple TV.
It's a beautiful show to watch, and these shows are
always beautifully made. But I think it's the gripping, sort
of intriguing murder mystery plot line. It's got ten episodes
to kind of unfold and untangle itself, is what will
keep you coming.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
You totally hit the nail on the head for me
because I watched the first episode and I kind of
like this, but it's kind of it's quite a unique
style in tone. But you've hit the name on Hea
when you said it's a little bit of this one minute,
it's a soap, then it's this. Then that's absolutely right.
I think it's one of those series you might need
to give more than one ep too.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Enough.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
That's exactly right. Okay, all right, then, now the Red
King tell me about this. This is on three now, Yeah,
this is a New British crime drama. It starts on
three Now from tomorrow and in a lot of ways
this is your standard police procedural that you know the
British do there so well, but it also has a
bit of an edge to it that takes it into
kind of a psychological thriller, almost horror.

Speaker 17 (58:04):
Territory at times. But it's about a police sergeant called
Grace who's been in a bit of trouble and is
sent on a punishment post to a remote island.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Off the coast of Wales.

Speaker 17 (58:14):
So she's a city cop coming to a small community
where there's a lot of pagan traditions and history of
a cult. There's a missing child that nobody seems too
concerned about finding and a lot of hostility from the
local so Grace is really up against it and trying
to solve this murder. And watching this it sort of
felt like a cross between Shetland and the Wickerman. It's

(58:38):
also about the isolation and the atmosphere and those folklore traditions.
It's a delicious slow burn and even though it has
every cliche that you would expect in a police drama,
it doesn't matter. It pulls this off so beautifully and convincingly.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
I like this a lot.

Speaker 17 (58:54):
If you're a fan of a slow, dark police drama
with a bit of a psychological edge, this is for you,
and it drops on three Now tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
It's got a big tick from me. One of the
joys of doing this show and filling in for Jack
Tara is that when I get your list of shows
you're going to talk about, I feel obliged. You know,
It's part of my job, I'm being professional, is to
sit down and watch these shows. And I love crime
dramas and police dramas, and so yesterday I was scanning three.
I was trying desperately trying to find it. Go this

(59:22):
is a bit of me, and I couldn't find anywhere.
So that makes me feel good. So that's tomorrow. If
you need a break from the Olympics, you could sit
down and watch it. You know, it's really interesting horror
because you've got two great shows here from free to
air services that offer, you know, screening services, on demand services.
I just think TV and Z plus and three Now
are really growing in what they are offering us or

(59:44):
am I just imagining that?

Speaker 7 (59:46):
No?

Speaker 17 (59:46):
Absolutely, I think TVNZ plus particularly is one of the
stronger streaming services is and they've been adding recently a
lot of really great movies to their form as well,
lots of great New Zealand content too. And three Now
over the last few months have been adding a lot
of great a lot more British dramas, a lot sort
of intriguing murder mysteries and things. So they're both really great,

(01:00:09):
great options. You don't need to pay a lot of
money to to have really good options with streaming services.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Well, and that's the thing they need to because they
need to compete with those. But no, I'm really enjoying
what they have to offer. Tara a pleasure as always.
Thank you so much. We will put Tara's picks up
on our website Newstalk ZB dot co dot nz Ford
slash Jack, those three shows who was talking about prosper
TV and Z plus Women in Blue is on Apple
TV and The Red King is kicking off tomorrow on

(01:00:37):
three Now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
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This is Glass Animals. They've found runaway success with this
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this one. The song currently has three billion streams on
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Billboard Hot one hundred. So the British band's trademark fusion
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Their new album has been hotly anticipated and our music
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really is. She has had a listen to the album.
She's going to tell us how it shapes up before twelve.
This is their fourth album. It'd be really interesting to
see how it lives up to the past couple of albums. Now,
you've probably also heard about the controversy around the purpose
built Olympic pool in Paris. There's been some disappointment that

(01:02:27):
more world records haven't been broken. And it comes down
to concerns about the depth of the pool. This pool
is shallower, It's about three feet shallower than Tokyo, and
that has an impact on how the water settles. But
tech may also be playing a part and making this
a slow pool. So Paul Steinhaus is going to talk

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us through this next here on Saturday mornings. It is
twenty three to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 21 (01:02:57):
Breakfast hard to believe that the Transpower Piland story, isn't
it two workers, no training under the bolts to tower falls,
ober Power goes out. They didn't get proper supervision either.
So now we presumably talk about compensation or do we northern'
MP grant the collums.

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Whether us give you time?

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You hear it.

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You just wonder how this possibly happened exactly.

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But the report says the compensation part of the question
was not in their purview. Who owns and runs with this?

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Now, people like myself and sit down on Transpound say,
actually you owe the people of Norton's on.

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Anger out there.

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You've heard it from the business community, and actually the
wider community, which has been my pitch yet a decent
check from Transpower which we can use the benefit all
of Northland because everybody was affected.

Speaker 21 (01:03:33):
Back Monday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
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Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
You're with Saturday mornings. I'm Francisco with you until midday
and it's time to talk tech now and I'm joined
by Paul Stenhouse.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
How are you, Paul, Hey, good morning, doing well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Have you been loving the Olympics? Watching the Olympics?

Speaker 22 (01:03:51):
Oh yeah, so I'm in New York and let me
just say, basically, no other country on Earth exists when
you're watching the coverage of the Olympics in the United States,
it's all Team USA, all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
It's just fel free to jump on iHeart listen to
our sports gold boys and they'll be able to filly
in with what's happening with the New Zealand Tea occasionally
if you need an update. But there's been a bit
of controversy around the swimming and whether the French created
a slow pool because it's about three feet it's not
as deep as the Tokyo Pool, which was about three

(01:04:26):
feet deeper. Than what we have in Paris, and that's
been causing a bit of problems with water and movement.
But tech has also been playing a part in this.

Speaker 22 (01:04:34):
Yeah, because as the TV coverage gets better, they want
more what cameras, and there are more cameras underwater than
probably ever before, and they move like robots. And they're
saying that not only as part of the problem obviously
that the pool is shallower. You know, the minimum jets
now is two point five meters that they want a

(01:04:54):
pull to be. The recommendation is over three. This one's
only just over two meters deep, two point one five
meters in fact. But these cameras are moving around and
adding to the choppiness of the water, and the water
is becoming so choppy that the water doesn't settle between
races as you would typically expect it to, So then
you get chop upon chop and it's sort of a

(01:05:14):
compounding problem.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
And so the underwater camera is how much movement are
they adding to the to the mix aside from the swimmers,
because they're making obviously they're probably responsible for the majority
of the movement, aren't they.

Speaker 22 (01:05:27):
Yes, yes, I think it's just another finger being pointed right,
as just like another factor. But can we talk about
the fact that this swimming pool is a huge feet
of engineering, like that's teken upon itself, right, It's basically
freestanding inside a stadium and for the first time we
have ends and teens and tens of thousands of people,

(01:05:48):
significantly more people in watching the swimming than ever before,
and some of the swimmers have said that they have
loved it. The crowd's vigor, it's noisier, they can even
hear the crowd underwater. It's fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
I think they've got a solar panel farm on the roof. Actally, yeah,
I think think so, I think. I think it's all
being you know, they're using the soul energy to run
it and things and so look, apart from the fact
that it was just built slightly different depth than everybody
would have liked, it's also here and really started building
it in twenty seventeen. Well, you do have to get

(01:06:22):
you do have to get organized if you're going to
hold the Olympics, don't you. But it does remind me
a little bit of I don't know if anyone ever
saw it, but there was a satirical comedy that came
out just before the two thousand Olympics, called The Games,
and it starred New Zealand to John Clark, and it
was absolutely hilarious. It was kind of like behind the
scenes of a city getting ready for the Olympics and
doing just this building all these things. And they built
one hundred meter track, but it wasn't quite a hundred meters,

(01:06:44):
as you can imagine. That was hilarious. Anyway, let's move
on to Apple Intelligence. Developers are getting their first look
at this.

Speaker 22 (01:06:51):
Yeah, so Apple, I don't know if you can hear
the thunder out here, but there's a rather wild storm
rolling through New York City, man, But yeah, craziness. It's
been very hot and humand and this is what happens
at the end of the day. But the reviews are
coming in and they're only okay. Basically, Apple puts out
the developer releases ahead of the big launchers, and not
all of the promised features have actually been delivered yet.

(01:07:11):
One reviewer just basically called it a slightly smartest sery,
which isn't a great sign yet. But there is apparently
still more to come, and there's sort of AI sprinkled
throughout the Apple apps in the mail app. For example,
there's a new section at the top of the inbox.
The AI goes in and looks at what might be
important and brings that up to the top for you.
There's a summarization button, so you can push that and

(01:07:34):
it will give you all of your emails summarized.

Speaker 15 (01:07:37):
And there's also some features.

Speaker 22 (01:07:39):
If you highlight text, you can then go to writing
tools and have the AI do things like proofreading or
making suggestions or summaries, pretty standard AI fear these days.
In photos, this is actually pretty neat. You can actually
just type things that you want to find, like you
could say, for example, show me Francesca in a blue
hat at the Eiffel Tower, and it will actually go

(01:08:00):
in and find all of those things. With the reviewers
are saying pretty good accuracy, which.

Speaker 15 (01:08:06):
Is quite nice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
So when can we expect this in use?

Speaker 22 (01:08:10):
Wow, that's the hard part, right. So these features they
believe will be in for the release of the new
operating system which comes out with the new phone. But
the fancy of features, there's reports that it may not
actually make the deadline to be included with the new phone,
so you'd have to buy a new phone and then
you'd have to go and do your update to get
the latest stuff. There is some very cool tech that

(01:08:33):
Apple can actually wirelessly update the operating system while the
phone is still in the box, completely unopened. Kind of cool.
So they may go through that process. Otherwise you may
have to do the update.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Thank you so much, Paul. Good to catch up with you.
I'll let you go and watch that thunderstorm roll past
out the window. Coming up next to. Ed McKnight is
with us and he's got some good news for our homeowners.
If you've got a mortgage. It is a fifteen to
eleven no better way.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
To kick off your weekend than with Francesco Saturday Morning
with Francesca Rudgin in for jactaim and Be pure quality
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Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Be and it is time to talk money. And joining
me now is Ed McKnight from Opie's Partners. And there
might be some good news on the horionas on the
horizon for homeowner's Ed.

Speaker 11 (01:09:24):
There is and it's all to do with the income
side of your mortgage application and the impact of it
is that first home buyers, investors and anybody looking to
take out a lot at a loan might find it
slightly easier. And it's not even just on the horizon,
it's already happened. So, for example, we've just had National's

(01:09:44):
tax cuts come in, and that gives some people twenty
dollars a week extra in their pocket. Well, if both
you and your partner get that twenty dollars a week,
and you're a first home buyer, that could help your
mortgage application. But to the tune of about twenty two
thousand dollars. So if you're a bit tight on income,
that's what's stopping the bank from giving you a mortgage.

(01:10:06):
Might help you out a little bit there. For investors
slightly more, that same twenty dollars a week each for
a couple, that could give you an extra thirty two
thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
So is there any other criteria around getting a mortgage
changing at the moment?

Speaker 11 (01:10:20):
Well, I'm glad you brought that up, because, of course,
there are two sides to a mortgage application. You've got
to have enough deposit and you've got to have enough income,
and the tax can't certainly help the income side. On
the deposit side, though the Reserve Bank has changed some
of the rules. I think it was later earlier this month,
maybe the month before that just went that first time buyers,
a few more of them will be able to get

(01:10:42):
lower deposits. So that means that it's a bit more
likely that they'll be able to get a mortgage with
a ten percent deposit. One other change that I want
to highlight that literally happens this week is that when
you put in your mortgage application, the bank's not going
to see if you can afford it based on the
interest rate you're actually going to pay, which might be

(01:11:02):
call it six and a half percent. Up until recently,
they've been testing your mortgage application at nine percent. Well
that's all changed this week. It's come down by a
little bit. And the impact is that for a first
home buyer, if you could borrow five hundred k before,
you're now going to be able to afford an extra
eleven k. And for an investor, it's about in an
extra eighteen grand.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
So ed, why were they calculating that on such a
high rate to begin with, Well, the.

Speaker 11 (01:11:29):
Banks want to make sure that even if interest rates
go up, that you can still afford that mortgage. And
that's really important. We've seen why that's so important recently.
You know, back when interest rates were two point two
two point three percent, the banks we're using about a
six percent what we call a test rate, and that's
just to make sure that as interest rates go up
and they have recently, that you'd still be able to

(01:11:53):
make those mortgage payments and that you wouldn't have to
go to mortgage g sales. So it's very important that
the banks do this. But now that they're seeing those
interest rates come down, they're starting to say, hey, we
can use a lower test rate.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Have the goldfarenough with these changes? Do you think?

Speaker 11 (01:12:09):
Well, I'm looking forward to seeing some more changes. I
think we'd all like to see those test rates even lower.
But the banks need to be cautious, and it's important
that they are. There are some other changes coming on
the horizon, the triple CSA. That's the law that do
you remember back on a couple of years ago, we
had all of these articles about if you spent too

(01:12:30):
much on coffee, or you spent too much on Uber each.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
I've got too many streaming services?

Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
Ed, oh, do you know what?

Speaker 11 (01:12:37):
I was applied for bockets the other day FORCESCA and
the walk broker comes back to me and says, can
you please explain the nature of these expenses, and one
of them was Netflix, and I said, I'm not sure
what you want me to explain straight, but we are
sex of changes already come and west Pax loosen some
of the criteria specifically for investors. That means an investor

(01:13:00):
might be able to borrow extra eighty thousand dollars. I'm
looking forward to seeing some changes once the law is
actually will the updated laws actually passed, that's going to
be really good for the first time buyers.

Speaker 23 (01:13:11):
Ed.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Thanks so much for your thoughts this morning. Appreciate it.
Thanks right now, blossom is out on trees at our
house and the tooy are back, and I'm going to
be honest, sitting at my desk looking out on a
gray wintry day, it is so lovely to see the
toy in the tree. They are welcome sight. They put
a smile on your face. Rude Climb Past is with
me next with some other ideas for getting a winter

(01:13:33):
pick me up from the garden. That's next here on
Saturday mornings your news Talks. He'd be nine to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Gardening with still shop free accessories this winter at steal Shop.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Rude Climb Past good morning.

Speaker 16 (01:13:47):
Hey, good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Where have you been all this time?

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Sitting at home? One in the Olympacks. And I'm sure
normally I confuse everybody when I come in and fill
in projet because they all walk in and they see me,
and they go, is it Sunday?

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
No, no, no, it's not Sunday. It's still Saturday. I promise.
I am so delighted with your topic today because, as
I was just saying before the break, I've been sitting
we've just had gray, miserable days and all kind of
just around, very wintery. And this week we've got you know,
we're very our gardens, very confused. We've got a lot
of blossom out, and the toy aband and oh just
big gorgeous toy and the bird song and it just

(01:14:25):
just put a smile on your face, just lists you,
doesn't it.

Speaker 16 (01:14:28):
You've got it, And that's exactly what it's about. I've
actually noticed how when we had this, all this great
stuff going on, there was very little things to lift
you up. So so it was actually interesting because I came,
I drove home from the city. I think I can't remember,
and I thought, you know, what am I going to do?
And I thought, and there was odor rings to one
of the places where I go buy plants now, and

(01:14:51):
so I just screamed into the into the site there
pack my car and just had a look what was
actually interesting at the moment, and I was amazed, amazed,
which so many good things. Well, I found maples, ye, maples,
and there's so I've got all the stuff. Let me
just put them all on the on the wet side
and so you can ever look at it. There was,

(01:15:12):
for instance, a maple with bright red stems in the
winter time, absolutely wonderful as sen khaki cold thing. And
then when I came home later I saw another maple
called grizsium, which is the paperback maple that has this
amazing if you like, back that flutters off in the
sunlight and it's back lit in this coppery orange color,

(01:15:35):
just beautiful. It's called arsa grisium, which is crazily crazy
word in Latin because grizsium means gray, and that's probably
to do with the fact that the leaves are gray.
But that's not the story.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Is that bark peeling now?

Speaker 16 (01:15:47):
Yes, it's peeling now, and it and it makes the
if you see it you'll see it. You'll see the
photo on the website if you see it sticking out
in random sort of manners, if you like it looks
absolutely alive. That's one of my favorite trees, by the way, Grisium.
And I'm not talking about natives. These are all all
Japanese or North American trees. And but I just thought

(01:16:10):
that is sometimes where your heart springs, and you know,
a step and says, this is it great stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
What about if you're a little bit.

Speaker 16 (01:16:17):
Of color Erica Erica, that is Erica, which is I
know that from the Netherlands as heather or heath or
in Natalan's we call it de hay. And this is
absolutely beautiful because it's flowers right now in mid to
late winter, and it's the place, of course where all
the pollinators that are still around can get their nectar.

(01:16:38):
This is important. I look at this too, as you
can imagine. So so that's that's a cool one to
heaven in your garden. Go never look at Erica.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Then I found, of.

Speaker 16 (01:16:47):
Course Daphne's and hellebores and osmantors and those things are
always there there. Everybody's got them, everybody knows them. But
don't underrate them. They are beautiful. It's just a good
thing to look for right now. And then I went
to some of the native things that you know, I
always have to go back to native libercia, beregrants, or

(01:17:09):
okia which is the genies ghost and frosted chocolate. These
are absolutely colorful, almost hedgy plants, especially the karakia, and
that means that your hedges can be bright reddish orange
at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
I liked that idea.

Speaker 7 (01:17:25):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
And you also made the suggestion of hoito you a
little peppery, a little bit of a peppery taste.

Speaker 16 (01:17:32):
Not only that you can use it, you know, of
course as a culinary thing, but horopito is also one
of those unexpected beautiful things that goes into red yellows,
greens and all. And the best place to see in
and I'm not going to tell Auckland, is that the
best place to see mister Catlin's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Thank you, Thank you, Rhodes. You'll be very shortly your Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Mornings Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudgin in for Jactaim, keeping
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Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
News Talk said B.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Good morning. This is Saturday Mornings. I'm Francesca Rudkins filling
in for Jack. He'll be back next week. He's taking
a holiday this week. It is seven past eleven this
hour on Saturday Mornings. Mike Yardy is going to take
us to Malta. We get Estelle's thoughts on the latest
Glass Animals album, and Catherine talks us through New Zealand
author J. P. Pomare's latest novel.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
News Talk said, B, joining me now though.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
It's Kate Hall, also also known as ethically Kate on
all her socials. Good morning, Kate, good morning, Hi, good
thank you. You've got a really interest in topic today
because we can't live without technology, can we? Well, we could,
we have in the past, and some community and some
communities Kate still choose to live without technology, but most

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of us can see the convenience it brings to our lives.
But it does have an impact, doesn't it.

Speaker 14 (01:19:24):
Yeah, totally. I think, you know, I call myself ethically
case and a lot of people say, well, you know
about your phone that you're using to share all this
sustainable living stuff, and there's a whole lot of complexity
around supply chains of our technology, not just our phones
that we're talking about, our computers and all the appliances

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and our kitchen, like, everything comes with some sort of impact,
and I think you're right, we're very, very dependent on it.
So I think rather than just saying, you know, throw
your phones away and live without technology, it's important to
think about, Okay, what can I do better to engage
in technology in a more sustainable way?

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
What do we do about the cell phone?

Speaker 14 (01:20:08):
So I think first and foremost it's important to look
after your technology really well. I think there's there's a
lot of talk. Obviously we can think about the supply
chain of a cell phone, right the minerals that are involved,
often mind unethically. You know, that's finite resources that are

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being used to make a phone. So if we do
have a phone in our lives, you know a lot
of a lot of people already have an original phone.
And I'm not saying, you know, throw that out and
buy a sustainably made one, but to look after it carefully,
you know, to have a good case for it, to
clean it to you know, when you're charging it, there's

(01:20:50):
an optimum charging range of keeping it between kind of
like fifty to seventy percent and not just leaving it
on charge. That's really good for the longevity of a battery.
So yeah, looking after it, but then also thinking at
the end of its life, not just throwing it in
the bin. That is huge concern. It's actually even illegal
in Australia to dispose of tech and landfill, so to

(01:21:13):
actually take it to an eway drop off fight or
you know, take it to somewhere where they could actually
use the parts and refurbish it or fix it. Even
I know that sometimes fixing technology can cost more than
a new device, which is a great shame, and we're
hoping that changes with different to right to repair bills

(01:21:34):
and things like that. But to actually not just dispose
of it or move it on just because there is
a new phone to actually.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
We all love shiny new things, really love it. And
if the tech companies know how to do one thing,
they know how to market to us, they know how
to go you know, water, that's a fine phone, the phone.
Your phone's working, it's perfectly fine. But look at this
and look at what it can do. And then actually
we get it and most of us never actually even
discover the upgrades that it often.

Speaker 14 (01:22:04):
No, absolutely, I mean I personally. The first new phone
I purchased was in twenty nineteen, so up until then
I had refurbished phones. And the reason I purchased a
new phone was because it's the main tool I used
for my job. And I thought, you know what, I
always refurbished phones weren't doing what I needed it too,

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because I use a lot of these different functions, right,
So I thought, I'm going to get a new phone.
It's going to last, I'm going to look after it.
So that's a different way to you know, look at
things too, is what do you actually need it for?
And can you get a simpler, cheaper, you know, model
that that you don't have to keep upgrading and just

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ask yourself, am I buying this because I need it?
Or am I buying this because you know, my friend
got their latest one and I just want to keep up.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
It's really interesting though, you mentioned refurbished tech, and we're
seeing this more and more now that you know, you know,
and a lot of the time people don't want to
have to buy a new phone. Something will happened to
a phone, you know, they drop it in a poll
of the toilet or something happens, and you know, it's
irreparable when they go, Okay, I need a new find
I'm hearing. But you know, now it's so much easier
to go off and find a phone which may have

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had a small fault someone's you know, decided to sell
it to a refurbish it. They fix it up, and
it could be perfectly good to go.

Speaker 14 (01:23:24):
Definitely we have there's just so many more options now.
I remember trying to find a refurbished phone. Yeah, many
many years ago. It was quite difficult and with less
options come you know, that's kind of hard to find
exactly what you want. But now we just if you
think about the amount of different models and makes of
each brand of phone, there's just unlimited, you know, there's

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just unlimitless. So so I think, yeah, I think buying
new phones and this whole kind of the marketing I
think is probably the least sustainable part of technology. So
being really, really careful about purchasing, and it's so dangerous

(01:24:06):
going back to the end of life of a phone
to put a phone into a landfill site. Actually, we've
had lots of recent fires and tracks rubbish tracks sort
of collecting our rubbish from the curb side because people
are just throwing their phones in there, and the batteries
can heat up and be exposed to all sorts of
chemicals and yeah, literally set on fire and cost a

(01:24:31):
lot of money to repair those tracks to get them
back on the road. So it's complex, the making of
a phone and also the end of life. We just
need to do so much better as a society.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
It's interesting. I learned something this week, Kate, which may
or may not be of interest to people out there,
But I had to get rid of some polystyrene that
had come in and a new clothes dry and I
got online found out that might ten will take that
and dispose of it for you. But then I get
to mint Atend to put my polystyrene in the big
containers there. They'll take yourself plastics, they'll take your cardboard,

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they take batteries, they take light bulbs, they're taking they're
helping recycle these, you know, these items the way they
should be, which is absolutely fantastic. And it's pretty easy
to find a mighty tenth as opposed to, as you say,
trying to hide it in the and the rummish to
head off to them. I thought that make it so.

Speaker 14 (01:25:28):
Easy, brilliant.

Speaker 5 (01:25:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:25:29):
And it's so easy when it's all in one place, too,
isn't it. Because all of those you know, waste streams
that can be recycled or reused that you mentioned, if
you had to go, you know, to a different place
to drop off all those things, that's quite unaccessible for
you know, a busy time, poor person, probably.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Because I rang them and they probably regretted it. But
I just loaded the car. I can cover off a
lot of things. So we need to we need to
dispose of old tech properly. I also, because I got
the new dryer, the old dry which was about fifteen
twenty years old, had to be recycled, and I want
to make sure that went to somewhere Kate that was
going to recycle it, properly, use the metal, use whatever
it could. So I found a a waist person. I

(01:26:07):
took it down there, and it's actually just hugely relieved.
They were taking off my handcake. But they pay you
for your metal. And then they said to me, we don't,
we don't really pay a lot for dryers, and I said,
that's absolutely fine. I just want to recycled properly, and
just thank you for taking it off my hands. I've
got two dollars thirty from the dry okay, And I

(01:26:29):
was like, you really need a little charity, but been
or something on the top of you, what are you
going to down? I don't. I don't think I've been
rolling around the bottom of my handbag. But but you know,
once again, it's not that hard to find places to
recycle your e waste or your anything that's got some

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sort of technology in it.

Speaker 14 (01:26:52):
Absolutely, we've got like Echo and Auckland there's a great
place to take all your cables, computers, tech sustainability trusters
and Wellington Ecocentral and christ Church like those are kind
of the main hubs. But honestly, years ago these companies
didn't exist, so they're very small and didn't have the
infrastructure to take everything. So yeah, I mean now we

(01:27:13):
kind of there's no excuses really to actually dispose of
things properly and keep all of those metals and precious
minerals and resources in our resource pool so that we
don't have to keep pillaging the earth of finite stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Kate, really nice to talk to you this morning. Thank
you so much for joining us. You can follow Kate
on socials as ethically, Kate, it is a sixteen past
eleven now Gladiator two, Murder on the Orient Express, Napoleon,
Jurassic World, Dominion, and Assassin's Creed. What do all these
films have in common? Well, they were all shot in Malta.

(01:27:49):
They have been shooting films in Malta since the nineteen twenties.
And Mike Yardley takes us their next and travel.

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Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Good morning, Mike Yardley.

Speaker 12 (01:28:07):
How are you very good? Thank you Francesca, and how
are you? I? Saide from being sleep deprived, do.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
You know what, I don't even think it's the lack
of sleep. I think it's the emotion. I think it's
I think it's the tension. I think sometimes I'm sitting
there and my body is kind of tensing up and
I'm half running the race with them. I think it's
That's what's exhausting about watching the Olympics. I mean, Hayden
Wild bless that man, but he just almost destroyed me.
And that I mean I had to leave the room.

(01:28:35):
Everyone was going, what is she doing? Why can't she?
I couldn't sit there. I was in and out and
I was going to I was all over the place.
So I think it's actually it's not so much the
lack of sleep used to lack a sleep. I think
it's more just just the emotions that goes quite right.

Speaker 12 (01:28:51):
Yeah, some people yesterday and they were feeling the same.
They just all felt emotionally spin after.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
Yeah, I literally looked at him and I said, I
feel like I've just run. I feel like I've just
done both those trathons. But you know, so sometimes you
watch a sport and when they finish, there's smiles and
you can see that people actually loved every minute of it.
They had fun, they gave it there all. But there's
something about the end of the triathlon watching those athletes
come over the line, you go, I'm not quite too

(01:29:21):
sure how much fun.

Speaker 12 (01:29:22):
They having exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Yeah, it's tough, it is incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Anyway, What kind of exercise would you do if you
were in Malta.

Speaker 12 (01:29:33):
Well, there's a lot of history and a lot of scenery,
and a lot of movie locations, as you refer to Franchister,
A bit of walk, a lot of walking. Absolutely. The
thing about Malta is that you know, unlike Esily or
Spain or Greece or Croatia. It doesn't really flash on
the tourist radar for Kiwi's, which I find quite weird

(01:29:54):
because I think it's seriously underrated. It's a really good
value Mediterranean destination and the climate is incredible. I just
think it's the sort of place that will s mashed
your expectations and it's very easy to get to, very
short direct flights from Dubai Doha, Rome. So yeah, a

(01:30:16):
fabulous destination to check out if you've never been.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
Where is it located exactly?

Speaker 12 (01:30:22):
It is so fast out in the Mediterranean that it's
actually parallel with Lebanon to Nisia and Algeria, so it's
below Sicily. It's one of the most sutherly European nations,
and obviously because it's position, it's been a strategic prize
for conquerors over the centuries. And you can still feel

(01:30:43):
that melting pot influence, you know, sort of North African,
Arab and European influences. They're all ever present. And I
just recently went to Malta for the first time with
Inside Vacations and they do a really good introductory guided
to experience. It's sort of like Malta's greatest hits or

(01:31:04):
sort of bundled together of flexible downtime built into the
tour so you can do your own thing. And there
is something really special about, you know, that sort of
serender for this discovery time. So yeah, I just found
it absolutely and frawling.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
So if you were a first time would you base
yourself and sleeamer.

Speaker 12 (01:31:24):
Yes. Salima is this very glossy strip stretching along the
seafront across from the letter, which we'll talk about next week.
But in Salima, it's just that seafront that is spectacular.
It's a buzz with fishing boats and fairies, and they've
got this massive two kilometers along promenade swooping along the seafront,

(01:31:45):
and it's just a buzz with life. Lots of loved
up young things canoodling, their fitness fanatics like Manchesca founding
the pavements. There's elf risco cafes and beach clubs and
street vendors. It just feels like this colorful carnival of
life on that literary promenade, and it's very much the
new face of Malta.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
But I'm sure that, like a lot of places, it's
when you get into the back streets, you really see
or feel the character of a place.

Speaker 12 (01:32:12):
It's amazing. Yeah, you just have to go a couple
of streets back from that seafront and you feel like
you've transported yourself back a hundred years, if not longer.
It feels lost in time. It's where the magic happens
in Slimmer, and you've got all of this incredible old architecture,
those gorgeous old Maltese balcony off the sides of buildings

(01:32:35):
are decovallets, art navaux vlets, and lots of pint sized grocery,
pastry and confectionery shops, which sort of give the area
like an old school village wide. So it's like the
old face of Malta intersected with a new face. Great
fun to explore.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
You're selling this well. Now the center of the island
is Medina. What is so special about this place?

Speaker 12 (01:33:00):
This is remarkable. This town. It's a fortified helltop medieval town,
lots of narrow streets, largely car three, and very few inhabitants.
In fact, many of the residents are nuns, and you
will see them disappearing behind grand, old wooden doors as
you stile around the lanes. Much of the town was
built by the Knights of Saint John and the architecture,

(01:33:22):
once again, it's just astonishing Norman architecture, Barock architecture. The
whole place feels mystical. And if it looks familiar, chances
are you've been watching Game of Thrones, because the main
city gate into Medina was cast as the entrance to
King's landing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
Yeah, yeah, Why doesn't that surprise me? Because I mean,
if you look at pictures of it, you see, I
can absolutely see it would turn up in that TV show, Hey,
what's happening with the Queensvilla and Malta.

Speaker 12 (01:33:54):
Yes, if you're a fan of the crown, you may
recall that the late Queen considered her early adult years
living in Malta has been some of the happiest of
your life. And that was when Philip was stationed there
as a naval officers, so they spent a couple of
year is there before she actually ascended to the throne.
But you can see the residence Squadamanja, which is a
three hundred year old limestone billet. It's just about ten

(01:34:16):
to fifteen minutes from Slima and it was recently purchased
by the Maltese government, so they' own the process of
restoring it, and apparently it's going to be turned into
a museum in honor of the Queen, so that will
be quite an attraction. But just if you're going there
for now, you can just rock up to the front entrance.
I've got this amazing elegant portico which reaches out onto

(01:34:39):
the footpath, so that is an essential photostop. The other thing,
by the way, speaking of the big screen and the
TV screen, Gladiator two.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Have you heard about.

Speaker 12 (01:34:48):
Gladiator two, Francesca. Yes, yeah, so they recently finished shooting
that in Malta. Of course, the original Gladiator has done
as well, and I think it's due out in November,
directed by Ridley Scott, so that will be a massive
Christmas hit, I reckon.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
And it will be. If Land is heading to Malta.

Speaker 12 (01:35:07):
Best time of the year, I would say shoulder season,
so September through November is good, and then sort of
March to May. Once you hit June, that gets too hot,
too crowded.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
Thank you so much, Mike. Enjoy the rest of your Saturday,
have a little aaugh noon, nap and then you'll be
able to get through some more Olympics tonight. Thank you
very much, and of course if you'd like more tips
on something the sites in Malta. Mike's article is on
the website newstalkszb dot co dot Nz, slash lifestyle, slash
travel right New Zealand's Olympic medal counts. It's at six.

(01:35:42):
Jason Pine is going to reflect on the week and
is the season over for the Warriors. We're going to
talk to Piny next twenty seven past eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks Edbodumn, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Yeah, I could get a good strata onto this. This
is Beyonce. Yeah yeah. This is a song that brought
Team USA and at the opening Olympic opening ceremony. She
also did a personal video introducing It was sort of
an introduction from Beyonce alongside a whole lot of top
American athletes as well. It's got a good beat to it. Piney,

(01:36:35):
I feel pretty good.

Speaker 15 (01:36:36):
Don't mind it's starting my stuff to this. I don't
mind it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Okay, So what have you loved? What have you been
disappointed about the end of Week one?

Speaker 24 (01:36:43):
What love I love watching Zoe Hobbs this morning. I
loved seeing Kiwi sprinter at the Olympic Games. How good
was that? And not just at the Olympic Games, but
into the semi finals. I thought Zoe Hobbes looked amazing
this morning, just sprinting down that track representing US. I
thought that was amazing. Did you see some own biles?
Have you watched her the gym?

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (01:37:03):
My god, I know she is astonishing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Yeah, incredible, I know. I mean I say to people,
do a catwheel?

Speaker 15 (01:37:11):
I go, what I go?

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Just try and do a cartwheel and then imagine what
she can do. It's mind blowing.

Speaker 24 (01:37:17):
I tell you what else is really good as the
coverage of the Games. I mean some of the television
production is just absolutely out of this world. You know,
the advances and TV technology are such that now you know,
the super slow mos and even I was watching the
canoe slalom the other day and just the droplets of
water you can just about see the individual droplets going
to the faces of these canoe slalom people. It's just

(01:37:39):
a small thing. But yeah, and I've loved it all.
What have you been sort of taking in?

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Oh, I've done everything I've been very busy this week.
As I've been saying all warning, I feel like I've
been doing, you know, doing half these activities, which because
I haven't, but you just get caught up in the
emotion of it all and it's all quite exhausting. I've done.
I've done a lot of things. How could you not
watch the even if you didn't like horses, how could
you not watch all the equestrian and ANSI I mean,
the location is just stunning. I beside myself watching the triathlon.

(01:38:08):
I loved that, you know, the swimming has been great,
so exciting last night to see a sold outcrowd just
for qualifying at the for the athletics for a track
and field. So that's going to be just amazing for
all our New Zealand athletics to be in that stadium
competing and having that experience.

Speaker 24 (01:38:26):
It feels like the Parisians and the French people on
the whole of really embraced it. I think most of
them are just like in a month off yeah and
just you know, we just we'll just get along to everything.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
I heard Michael Burgers say that, you know, he's been
talking to a lot of veterans sort of Olympic reporters
and they're saying they haven't seen an atmosphere like this
at of games for a long time. And of course
it's very easy to compare it to Tokyo, where it
was dead silent, there was no one there. Hey, look
something else I want to throw at you. Is as
much as we're loving the Olympics, the Warriors did not
have a good night against the Eels last night. Is

(01:38:54):
that for them? Is that they're season over?

Speaker 24 (01:38:55):
Well, it feels like it probably is. They've got four
games left, right, they get to buy at the end,
so that's two points. But they've we're now starting to
talk about maths and say, right, mathematically, it's still a
SOM's just start having those conversations. Then you know, you
know that it's anywhere but certain. They've got to win
four games, only one at home, all of those four
games against teams currently in the top eight and fighting

(01:39:18):
for their top eight lives. It just feels the inconsistency.
If this team won't allow them to win.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
We're also waiting for others to lose, Like as the
sort of does that how a mass that it gets complicated.

Speaker 24 (01:39:27):
Because you look at it, you say Okay, well they
could beat them if they beat them and we and
we go on and beat them, but there's a lot
of some butts.

Speaker 15 (01:39:33):
It's really out of their hands.

Speaker 24 (01:39:35):
Now, Yes, they could win all four games and go through,
but that even that might not be enough.

Speaker 15 (01:39:41):
So it just it just it's so isn't it so disappointing?

Speaker 11 (01:39:45):
Though?

Speaker 24 (01:39:46):
Remember you're not talking in April and thinking this is
going to be amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Inconsistency would be the word that I would use. Yeah,
this season unfortunately, because as you say, there have been
moments we have just been blown away and it's been fantastic.
And then last night we were flicking, you know, through
through all the channels and we'd go back to the
game and I think it was thirty four at one point,
and we just just you know, and it was like,
let's just not do this to ourselves. Let's watch let's

(01:40:11):
watch Zoey Hobbs run one hundred peu.

Speaker 15 (01:40:14):
Yeah, much more, much more and thrawing.

Speaker 24 (01:40:15):
But just I feel really fear for Warriors fans because
last year gave them a taste of what could be
and it just hasn't been this season.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
Okay, So what's coming up on weekend?

Speaker 24 (01:40:24):
Sports got a couple of middle star Isaac and MacCarty
who won in the skiff overnight, are going to talk
to Lucy Spores as well gold medalist and the rowing
and also Dylan Schmidt who didn't win a medal he
fell in his trampoline routine. How guarding all of that
build up, all of that work for a fall.

Speaker 15 (01:40:39):
In the final final?

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:40:41):
Yeah, And I kind of want to, you know, find
out what people are what people are watching really and
and you know, I'm an expert on fencing. Now I'm
sure people are an expert on all sorts of things.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
I'm hugely delusional about what I think I know about sport.

Speaker 24 (01:40:54):
Do you find yourself to go on the couch, you know,
with your bag of chips and look at him like
that was pathetic?

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
This is what I mean about. You've got to have
a reality check. Get up and do a cart We'll
get up and see if you can actually jump. You
go outside and run one hundred meters and just put
things in perspective. No, no, oh, I love it. Jason
Pine will be back at midday with the Weekend Sport
taking through to three. It is twenty four to twelve
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Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
Thank you very much for your feedback this morning. And
before we were talking to ethically Kate about how to
dispose of cell phones and teck and things, and somebody
flipped me a text saying, look, because she made a
comment of the fires that have been taking place in
rubbish trucks and things like that, someone texts to say
that the rubbish trucks fires are also caused by vapes.

(01:41:48):
A lot of people throw their vapes into the rubbish
and you'll, apparently because I don't vape, not up to
speed with this. It is important to know that you
cannot dispose of your vape by showing it and with
your general curb rubbish. Once again, there's a whole lot
of places where you can you can you return, recycle,
dispose of them and things, but they too cannot go

(01:42:11):
in your curbside brothers.

Speaker 15 (01:42:12):
Thank you for.

Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
Your text on that. Catherine Rains joins me now to
talk books. Good morning morning, How are you. I'm really good?
Thank you. I love the title of this first book
we're going to talk about because it sounds like a
great piece of fiction, but of course it's nonfiction. It
actually happened How the World Ran out of Everything by
Peter S. Goodman.

Speaker 23 (01:42:35):
So he's talking in this about the global supply chain,
and the premise of the book is that we live
in this time of almost instantaneous purchasing, where you can
get anything at the click of a screen and delivered
to our doorstep, and we don't really give it a
second thought. And so he looks at the inner workings
of the supply chain and the factors that lead to
its vulnerability. And so he takes us at a deep

(01:42:58):
inside that and the humans behind it, and the factories
in Asia, and he talks to an armand grower in
North California, and some railway workers in texts, and a
truck driver that he actually accompanies across hundreds of miles
of the Great Pains, and he has this very powerful argument,
I think, for reforming the supply chain to become resilient.

(01:43:18):
And he nobody, none of us, really paid particularly much
attention to labor and shareholders in the supply chain until
March twenty twenty, when the world's shut down. And this
book specifically really looks at America and for the first
time facing bear shelves and modern history, and you know
this seemingly endless cycle of shortages. You know, first it

(01:43:39):
was toilet paper, and then it was flour, and people
were trying to build their new at home lives, and
you just got faced with non stock and bear shelves,
and some of those shortages, he argues, could have been
prevented if there was good inventory levels in America, and
some of them were just lies, and it was you know,
if things are in short supply, the price goes up,
and so the supply chain break almost looks like it's

(01:44:01):
come and gone, but the impact on the sly chain
in the economy with things like inflation. And what he
does is he follows the story of this single forty
foot shipping container and it's a journey across the world
in twenty twenty one, and he talks to the people
involved and what happens and the fact that it takes
almost a year and this whole disruption and the factory
in China, and it's fascinating because you don't really give

(01:44:23):
much thought to this and the unseen labor that brings
things to your door. No, I have a we're asking
a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
Yeah, I have a strange fascination with shipping. I mean,
it's just it's such an incredibly old industry and I
just love the logistics of how we move things around
the world and how that seems to work. So does
it go into sort of the shipping and what happened
on that side of things as well?

Speaker 23 (01:44:45):
Yes, he does, because as you're following that out of COVID,
the and then the and you know other things, and
he calls it the great supply chain disruption, and yes,
and those bottlenecks at every step in the way, So
not just the factories, but the ships and fascin getting
stuck at ports and all sorts of things. As he
follows those stories and different workers and different people, it's
really interesting. J. P.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Pomaro becoming one of our most prolific authors.

Speaker 23 (01:45:10):
I think so because seventeen years later is his seventh
foot and this one centers the narrative around a true
chi crime podcast called Legacy, and it's happened that a
murder happened of a very English family called the Primrose Family.
Seventeen years ago in the very quiet little town of
Cambridge in New Zealand, and the family chef was arrested

(01:45:31):
a few hours later and has been in prison ever since.
And this podcaster, a woman called Sloan Abbott, is looking
into the story, believing that Bill Caramero, the chef that
was arrested, was not given a fair trial, and as
she's prompted to take on this case, she focuses on
the accusation and trial is a potential miscarriage of justice.
But when she starts investigating, she finds that everybody involved

(01:45:55):
in the story in the case believes that Bell committed
the crime, including a psychologist, a guy called JERREUW.

Speaker 25 (01:46:01):
Phillips TK, who was very.

Speaker 23 (01:46:02):
Close to Bill until he became completely convinced that Bill did.
And Abbott discovers this new piece of evidence and the
case begins to reopen and TK is drawn back in,
and you get Bill's accounts of the events that lead
up to the killing, starting with his return from Australia
and being hired as a live and cook for the Primroses,
and you flip back and forth and time in different
perspectives in the suspects, and there's lots of red hearings

(01:46:25):
in this and it's.

Speaker 25 (01:46:27):
A book that's rich with.

Speaker 23 (01:46:28):
Our own culture and history, and there's themes of colonization
and racism and the ways of which Bill and the
other married characters were treated by the Primroses. And the
book starts off really slowly, but you get this absolutely
roller coaster of story and lots of suspense, and you're
completely hooked as the events of seventeen years ago are revealed.

(01:46:49):
And I thought that I kept picking who was who
was the person, and every time I was like not, then.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
I love a book that Kensie Guessing. Seventh book is J. P.
Pomire's style of changing at all.

Speaker 23 (01:47:05):
A little, but I think that he so good at
sort of howking you into a story that has changes
over time. Yeah, he's still deep in sort of the
thriller kind of crime side of things, and I think
I think the style of writing is changing. I think
it's becoming more engrossing and better. I think, of anything,
he's just becoming a better author. And the stories are great,
and lots of them have been optioned for movies or

(01:47:28):
TV series, and you know that they lend themselves, and
this one in particular lends itself very well to that
style of story.

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
Thanks so much, Catherine. Those books that Catherine spoke about
were How the World Ran Out of Everything by Peter S.
Goodman and seventeen years later by JP Pomarte. It is
a fifteen to twelve news talks at.

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
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Speaker 10 (01:47:59):
We're taking into Daddy Doo. He's a lazard tool at
the many the bit of t get a few bargains.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
There are three for two by a better mood, lay
a pon of the engine.

Speaker 10 (01:48:14):
Let me two gets a beatitude, get some nuanced to
give me solitude.

Speaker 9 (01:48:20):
And a good excuse.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
This is wonderful. Nothing from Glass Animals that is off
their brand new album I love you so iffing much.
And I'm sure Estelle, you're wondering what I was going
to say there good morning.

Speaker 26 (01:48:34):
I thought you might do the blping or there's some
places you can review and just say the word as
it is.

Speaker 25 (01:48:40):
But you know, yep, well well done. Well, this is
negotiating that one.

Speaker 27 (01:48:44):
No, this is me one.

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
Just looks at the producers. This is how would you
like me to say this? Look me and she says,
we don't like this, thank you very much. I shall
behave yep.

Speaker 25 (01:48:52):
One layer of not being told off exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
So this is the yes, sorry, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
Sorry do you?

Speaker 25 (01:48:59):
I was going to say you had much of a
history with Glass Animals.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
I'm a bit like a lot of people. Probably it
was that twen twenty hit heat Waves and I went, oh, okay,
that's them, and I think the last album dream Streamland. Yes,
I'm just familiar to you. I'm familiar with them.

Speaker 25 (01:49:15):
Yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 26 (01:49:17):
And that's probably where I picked up on them as well.
And heat Waves was everywhere. It got them nominated for
so many awards. It got them on the Billboard like
two hundred charts album and they stayed there for weeks,
which was big, Like it's the biggest UK single of
a UK band for like thirty years or something, so
pretty huge.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
What's the pressure, right?

Speaker 25 (01:49:36):
I think it does?

Speaker 26 (01:49:37):
And what it did is it catapulted them into fame
that they hadn't had before, Like there've been a great
UK band. Lots of people knew them from their back
catalog and they were probably a little bit more alt
indie and a bit more playful, and that one kind
of crossed the line of that sort of more pop
kind of sound, but it was a bit different, you know,
and it got TikTok. Everyone was using it behind their

(01:49:57):
videos on TikTok, so it got this real social media following.
And I think what happened for them then is they
weren't able to celebrate the success because we were all
in lockdown, you know.

Speaker 25 (01:50:07):
They didn't even get to go to the Grammys and.

Speaker 26 (01:50:08):
Go, yeah, look at us, which is weird, right, Everyone's
into you and then you don't even get to go
and be in front of them, like it's so strange.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
This is the first time, Estelle, that someone's mentioned something
like to do like that with COVID, and it's felt
like a long time ago. That's a good thing, I know.
I'm moving on.

Speaker 25 (01:50:23):
Yeah absolutely, yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 26 (01:50:25):
And I think then, for a band who did get
catapulted to much bigger stardom during that time, what's the
aftermath of that. And it's actually interesting to me reading
the reviews of this album here yes, their fourth album,
some fans have just not been into it, and I
think that's because they're original fans back in the very
very Like their debut album, ZEBA, it's quite an interesting listen.

(01:50:48):
So maybe what this album is for some of us
is a good idea to go back into some of
their back catalog and then find the ones that suit
for us, if you know what I mean. Probably more
pop centric this album than some of their tunes have
been before. An interesting band because there's actually four of them,
but you only ever really hear from or know about.

Speaker 25 (01:51:09):
Lead singer Dave Bailey.

Speaker 26 (01:51:11):
Yeah, and he does most of the production himself as well,
so it feels like the solo man project, but there
are actually four members in a band. I think this
time he's tried to scope the music based on his
own vulnerability and his own stories, where in the past
they've probably been a little loosely tied to someone they

(01:51:31):
know or a little bit ambiguous into their meaning. And
again I think fans actually quite liked that. Maybe that's
the difference here where he's trying to show more of
his human scope of emotions.

Speaker 25 (01:51:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 26 (01:51:44):
He uses a lot of his falsetto voice in the
album too, which I don't know about you, but sometimes
for me that starts getting a little bit too much,
just a little.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
I did think production wise, it sounds really slick.

Speaker 26 (01:51:55):
Oh absolutely, And I think he is really clever at there,
and he's clever at bringing in like this sort of
urban bassy but then there's this synth pop eighties like.
It's kind of a real mosh up of lots of
different genres. But somehow these guys have made it work
for them. And I think because it just sounds a
bit obscure in the pop scene, like, it gives it
that little edge and I think that in pastimes they've

(01:52:18):
probably been a bit edgier than perhaps this album is.
But yeah, the bit that sort of annoys me about
it is just him staying in the full setto range.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
I get this feeling is stell that you'll go. You're
saying to me, you know, these guys have created some
huge hits. They're very talented. I'm not really sure where
this album is going to fit into the legacy, but
you know, it's up to the individual total.

Speaker 16 (01:52:43):
Look.

Speaker 26 (01:52:43):
I think Show Pony and Creatures in Heaven, which you
are going to play some of soon. They've got that
real catchy dream pop thing about them which will make
that easy radio play like imagine it. I'll get picked up,
real catchy, easy to follow, and sometimes don't we just
need that mindless.

Speaker 25 (01:52:58):
We don't want to your do So what did you
give to be a show pony? And enjoy the music?
It's a seven out of ten.

Speaker 26 (01:53:04):
I don't think it's the best, but there are some
enjoyable tunes on it, so soak him up.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
Fantastic. Thank you so much, Estelle, and we'll play a
little bit more Glass Animals when we come back after
the break. It is eight to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Francesca Rudkin and for Jack dam and b pere Quality
Supplements for essential energy news talks at b Look.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
I've loved popping in and filling in on Saturday mornings.
Thank you very much for having me. Thank you very
much to Libby for producing the show. I'm going to
be back tomorrow for the Sunday session from nine and
Frodo himself joins me. The fabulous Elijah Wood to talk
about his new Kiwi film Bookworm, and also David Chuck
Henwood joins me to talk about his years is one

(01:53:49):
of our most decorated police officers, and the introduction of
criminal profiling into New Zealand. So do feel free to
join me tomorrow morning on the Sunday session. To end
the show, we have got some more music from Glass Animals.
This is Creatures in Heaven. Have a great Saturday afternoon.
Take care, I think canal. It's just hound much I missing.

Speaker 9 (01:54:11):
Sometimes for a moment we were charge.

Speaker 10 (01:54:15):
We are just creatures and help freezing the moon and
safe inside. Bury me here in your laundry, pilot trees
in the morning, These in the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
He's in the moment, freezing the moment.

Speaker 27 (01:54:30):
Trees in the more Over, like that, go some motion,
cut it up back, because it's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
Really a moment. Here for a moment.

Speaker 9 (01:54:39):
Here is the moment. Here for a moment. Turt my head.

Speaker 28 (01:54:43):
Does it haunt you too? Taments in the dark in
your old bedroom. You tell me, like my mother, maybe
just spoil you help me so close that I broken
to look it is my head? Does it haunt you too?

Speaker 9 (01:54:57):
Never really said I loved you too? Lucky lucky you
kus some foot tunes for such small words, but they
hit so huge. I don't think cap.

Speaker 27 (01:55:08):
It's just sound.

Speaker 18 (01:55:11):
Sometimes we were yell so wild we were to screechers.

Speaker 9 (01:55:18):
I don't think Capri.

Speaker 18 (01:55:21):
It's just sound this sometimes for a born witch, we
went out screechers.

Speaker 15 (01:55:30):
I don't see the pawn in.

Speaker 27 (01:55:31):
A subtle room man's tent, ton hot ache, sitting on
your back, scared of the crack where the light comes through, Molly,
when he when I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
Here with you, and he kiss into your head like
a cosmic zoom. Cold on the toe, like a long
space soup, so long, cowboy who was so cool, cash
in hand with the memory you. I don't think Capri.

Speaker 9 (01:55:57):
It's just sound this.

Speaker 18 (01:55:59):
Sometimes we were yell. It's so hard we were you screechers, a.

Speaker 9 (01:56:07):
Thing or real.

Speaker 18 (01:56:09):
It's just how much I missed you sometimes from all
When we were JOT, we were just creatures.

Speaker 27 (01:56:17):
And help creatures and helven. Back then we were JOT creatures. Hello,
we were just creatures and heaven.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
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