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Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yard and new Zella. Good morning, Welcome to News Talks eDV.
I'm Jack Tame with you through to twelve o'clock mid
day today, and the numbers are in. The film has
only been in the theaters for a couple of days
and already MOEA two is on track to be the
second biggest animated opening film of all time, the second
biggest of all time, behind only The Incredibles too. That

(01:09):
is extraordinary, isn't it. Of course, it's the Thanksgiving weekend
in the US, so no doubt that is helping with
the numbers a little bit, but remarkable success for mo
ONEA two in this morning on News Talks HEREB, I
don't want to get you too excited, but we have
the stars of Moana two with us in studio this morning.
This actor, I mean, you probably haven't heard of him.
He probably hasn't come across your radar. He certainly doesn't

(01:30):
have you know, on screen presence or anything like that,
and absolutely glittering CV so far. This guy, what's his name,
Tim Weader Morrison, Yeah, you might have made him, maybe
heard of him once or twice. He's going to be
with us in studio after ten o'clock this morning, so
cannot wait for that. Right now, it's eight minutes past nine.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Jack Team.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Now you don't need me to tell you this, but
Christmas cards are not the thing they once were. It's funny.
I remember as a kid, our entire living room would
be clad with the things. Come mid December. Mom and
Dad would have a string going across every curtain rod,
every wall. They would send and receive thirty forty fifty

(02:11):
Christmas cards every Christmas. But you see it everywhere, don't you,
The death of the handwritten note. Every time I travel overseas,
I try and send my nephews and niece a couple
of little postcards, but finding them recently, just finding postcards
in Washington, d C. That tourist mecca of all places,

(02:33):
was extraordinarily difficult. So the drug stores had, you know,
the standard Washington d C. Souvenir tat, the magnets, the
key rings, the crappy plastic pens with tiny pictures of
the Washington Monument, but no postcards. No postcards. And even
when I went to the uber touristy shop right across
the road from the White House, all they had was

(02:55):
a book of fancy souvenir postcards for about forty New
Zealand dollars. Ah, no thanks. I finally found a few
in a shop with no lights that might well have
been in front for money laundering or some nefarious operation.
A lone pile of dusty, browning postcards, undisturbed until my

(03:16):
custom for who knows how many years? What happened when
these run out? I wondered, I like to send a
few Christmas cards, And keep in mind, I jot on
a notepad most days as part of my job. Right
and yet after I had just written three cards this week,
just three, my hand started hurting. I realized the muscles

(03:40):
in my writing hand are so pathetically weak, so unpracticed,
they couldn't handle more than about five minutes of actual writing,
you know, actual writing with a pen. Writing go one
of the days when you would smash through fourteen or
fifteen a four pages and a three hour exam. It's
a bit embarrassing. Honestly. In the US, the government has

(04:01):
removed cursive handwriting from the core curriculum. They did it
almost fifteen years ago. Now, in an age where you know,
digital tools are all consuming and everyone has a computer
or a laptop, they figured kids would be better off
spending their time learning different skills instead. But of course
there's a pushback. Curiously, the states that have been at

(04:23):
the front line, the absolute forefront of the digital revolution,
you know, the states behind all of the big digital
companies and social media platforms, California and New York have
been legislating to make handwriting a mandatory part of their
children's education. But of course you can only mandate so much.

(04:44):
There can be no mandating of postcards, or of Christmas cards. Postcards,
I reckon are going to be the ones to die
out first. Christmas cards maybe have slightly more tradition attached.
But why do I still persist? It's simple. Maybe I'm
an old soul, but there is still that something personal
in a handwritten note that cannot be replicated in an

(05:06):
email mail or a text or a meme, something real,
something tactile. That being said, if I learned anything from
sitting down with pen in aching hand this week. It's
that receiving one of my handwritten Christmas cards is by
no means a guarantee you'll actually be able.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
To read it.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Jack Team two ninety two is the text time. But
if you're gonna flick me a text, don't forget the
standard text costs apply. This morning. Our jacket Newstalk's HEDB
dot co dot nz is my email address before ten
o'clock this morning. A beautiful seasonal treat to share with you.
We're gonna recipe for a strawberry and vanilla shoe cake.
Strawberries are just coming in if you sold the patch

(05:49):
in time like we did at my place. Oh my goodness,
they are just delicious at this time of year. So
we will share that recipe with you very shortly. Kevin
Milne to kick the show off next twelve past nine,
I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday morning and this is Newstalk's
He'd be.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
No bitter way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Saturday Mornings with Jack and vpur dot co dot z
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Speaker 3 (06:12):
Quarter past nine on news Talk Z'DB. Jack Christmas cards
went out last century for goodness sakes, is Angela, get
with the program, Get with the Times, Angela, I can
assure you I am never with the program nor the Times.
Jack postcards, you can't forget to mention that. When in Washington,
if you found a single postcard, that's one thing, But
try finding a stamp and then somewhere to post it.

(06:33):
It's even harder, says Jid. Yeah, that's true. Although you know,
I did go into New Zealand Post the other day
and it was absolutely humming. I think because they were
reaching the deadline for when you've got to send stuff overseas.
So I went in there was like a line of
five or six people. I was like, Oh my gosh,
it's like I've just gone back thirty years ninety two.
If you want to send this message Jacketwstalk's dB dot

(06:54):
co dot NZ. Kevin Milner's with us this morning. Kevin,
you would still favor a handwritten note, wouldn't you.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Oh, I love the idea. In fact, you brought back
a whole lot of beautiful memory.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Love the idea. It's not the practice necessarily.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
When you're talked about the stringing the cards up in
the setting room, I think we call it, yep, yeah,
and you'd have, yeah, thirty or forty. You'd count them
to see whether it exceeded last year's number of cards.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
Well I did.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
My parents didn't, but I did, and just to see
how popular we were.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Hat So when do you reckon on that note? Then
when do you reckon they peaked? When did we reach
peak Christmas card? Because I think they've probably been on
the slide for most of the century.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, I would say even i'd go back to the sixties.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I think, oh wow, yeah, yeah, And the sixties would
have been a time as well when the Christmas Letter,
the annual Christmas letter was a real thing, Because I
reckon the Christmas Leader died out before postcards. But the
Christmas Leader existed in a time when it was really
expensive to call people and you couldn't just send them
an email. You couldn't just see them a text as
easily as we can today, which meant that often the

(08:09):
Christmas Leader was the only way you kind of kept
up with people's lives when they lived overseas.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
Right, Yeah, you're not referring to the ones that they
that some people would send out to all their friends
and been the same letter, but they just put your
name in the in the yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, and you'd say, oh, it's been a great year
in the Milne household. This year, young ev has passed
her third gymnastics style and.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
Oh they were despicable.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
People would just rave on about their family success, very
little mention of what had gone wrong, about how Johnny
had been arrested and that.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
And I could tell that's all right. He anyway, Kevin,
you've been fascinated this year by the prospect of a
four year long cruise offered to Americans while Donald Trump
is in power.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, yeah, I was reading during the week about this
cruise ship, the Odyssey, that's offering a four year cruise
at forty thousand dollars a year, traveling to one hundred
and forty countries and about five hundred ports. The media
suggestion it might be a great way for Americans to
escape Trump, though the shipping company had actually released it's

(09:27):
plans for this cruise well before the elections. And a
couple of things spring to mind. Jack One, it wouldn't
be a bad way for someone my age to kind
of round off their life. Would it rent out the
house for four years that's paid for most of your fare,
your food's presumably paid for, and off you go to

(09:50):
sniff around this great world before you leave it. I know,
lots of obvious concerns. Is there a hospital on board
with doctors and surgeons? If you take your wife or husband,
that's going to cost two lots of forty thousand dollars
if you leave them behind where they're going to live.
So a potential issue there. Four years on the boat

(10:12):
well better than four years in a bricks and mortar
retirement village. But imagine rounding off your life by wandering
in and out of one hundred and forty countries, including
apparently drifting past Antarctica. What do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Jeck, I reckon, Yeah, I reckon. It's very attractive in theory.
I just wonder if eighteen months and you're going to
be going, you know what, I'm ready just to have
a bit more space in my bedroom and maybe not
be rocking, and if the third aurovirus is sweeping through.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
The Yeah, but think if you're on an old folks
so many.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Ways it's true. It's true if you've.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Moved to a retirement village, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
The second thought I have. If escaping the United States
wile trumps and powers such a selling point, why doesn't
New Zealand come up with a four year had temporary
work visa for Americans to come and work here till
Trump retires. Just could tie us over where. There are
people shortages here in so many areas. I suspect some

(11:18):
high networth families might enjoy two years over here as well.
I suppose one thing to watch out for the visas
that have to be specifically state four years, not till
the next US elections, just in case Trump decides there's
no need for any more elect.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Look, I think if they were to do it, given that,
there would probably be and I say this seriously, having
just come back from the US, would probably be just
as much of a demand if Trump hadn't won the election.
Maybe not quite just as much. But you know, if
I reckon of Cama won the election, there will still
be playing Americans who say I want to get out
for the next four years.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah you're right, Actually, yeah, you're right. It's not a
bad idea. Americans are good people, so they're well trained.
We could get them over here just for four years
and while we sort out our own employment situation.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, So what do you reckon? What would stop you
from doing it? Kevin?

Speaker 5 (12:14):
Anything go and going on the cruise. Yeah, I think
I've missed the kids. Yeah, and the grandchildren.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I reckon. That's a big one. That's a really big one.
And you know, and stuff happens in life, right sometimes
without you know, and all of a sudden you think, oh,
you know, I actually, as great as it is being
off the coast of Bermuda right now, it would be
quite nice to be home and be able to be
of slightly more assistance.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
It is. It is extraordinary. There would imagine traveling to
one hundred and forty countries. Yeah, just at the end
of your life kind of yeah, yeah, just to have
it say goodbye to the world.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, totally. Kevin. Hey, I thank you for that. I
appreciate your time this morning, and thank you for all
of your messages. Turns out Kevin is not alone and
hating on the Christmas letter, Jack Christmas letter and your
Skype sheet you mean, I'm with Kevin. Despicable designed to
make the recipient feel inadequate. Properly, Jack, video didn't kill
the radio star, but you are living proof computers did

(13:13):
kill the Christmas cards and every other handwritten form. Put
a piece of paper and pencil in front of young
folks without a keyboard and spellcheck, and they can't write.
As you said, there is a special feeling attached to
writing handwritten letters. Jack, As I'm sitting here to you
this morning, listening to you this morning, I'm actually writing
out a few Christmas cards. How about that? Ninety two
to ninety two. If you want to send us a
message twenty two past nine on news Talks, he'd be Oh,

(13:35):
before ten o'clock, we're going to tell you about Liam
Neeson's new film. The reason this is so special is
Liam Neeson, at the age of sprightly seventy two, says
this is going to be his last action film. I
mean some people would have thought that, you know, maybe
he'd done his last action film fifteen or twenty years ago,
but no, no, no, that was before Taken and the whole
Taken series. Anyway, he's just film what he says is

(13:57):
his last action film. We'll tell you if it differs
from any of the others. Before ten o'clock, twenty three past.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Nine, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning. With Jack
Team on News talks'b.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Michael says, Jack, your discussion on the Christmas Letter reminds
me of just how fickle and stupid social media is.
You're essentially describing the exact same thing, just in a
different medium. That's a very good point, Michael, because the
Christmas Leader never had the bad stuff, did it? They
always has said, Oh, our life is so amazing, our
family is so perfect. You know, Andrew Savill has passed
his Grade four violin recital for the fifth time. He's

(14:34):
with us this morning. Asked for and how are you sir?

Speaker 6 (14:38):
It was the recorder.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Oh, I'm not sure. Did the families brag about their
children's recorder skills?

Speaker 6 (14:45):
I feel like, well, it is the most basic of
music instrument. Musical instruments.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah, triangle.

Speaker 6 (14:52):
I always used to choose the triangle at the back
of the classroom or the recorder.

Speaker 7 (14:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
It was a defining moment. It was a defining Sorry,
it was a defining moment in my life when as
a five year old I went home and that had
the daily notices in school saying would you like to
sign up for karate? And home and I said, Mom, Dad,
I want to sign up for karate, and they said, Okay,
we're going to have a talk about it tonight and
we'll tell you what we think tomorrow. They came down
the next time and they said, Jet, we've had to
think about karate and we don't want you to do karate.

(15:17):
And I said, oh, and they said, but how about
instead you learn the recorder? Even as a five year
old being like, can you kill a man with a recorder?

Speaker 6 (15:27):
Imagine talk about sliding doors. Imagine what position you'd be
in now if you.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Look exactly, you could have been.

Speaker 6 (15:35):
The Jong Claude van Dam of your generation. There are
three certainties in life at this time of year, right
Number one, when the All Blacks tour up north, someone's
going to moan about the harken. Whether whether it's t
J or not, someone always makes a big deal out
of it. Secondly, I'll leap my I'll leap my body

(15:55):
waving scorched diamonds and trifle over the next three or
four weeks, and sued, there's a handwritten Christmas card from
a bloke called Jack that lands on my desk at
work every year around this time of year. Will there
be one in twenty twenty four?

Speaker 7 (16:11):
Look?

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I feel cautiously optimistic there will. But the concerns, ever,
is that as every year passes, unfortunately my handwriting gets
less and less legible. I mean, I look at it
myself and I'm you're writing, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
It looked like an eighty year older written.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
At last.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
An older a five year old.

Speaker 6 (16:32):
When the first one arrived years ago, I said, oh,
I've got a cigare admiracle Jack, and then I realized it. Anyway,
only I think that is now the only handwritten one
I get.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Do you go, Yeah, it's very, very very some of
the time.

Speaker 6 (16:47):
I know, I know the detail and that's quite generic
blah blah. You know, I think you know, and I
think you call me Adrian one year. But anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
You don't get lost in the details.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
It's a sweet thought.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Six drop Catchers yesterday, Ah, it was. It was very
unlike the Black They are usually controllables, you know.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
Yeah. The last couple of seasons their fielding has been
pretty good. They've gone through patches in the past, but
in India didn't that series they went in the I
don't think they dropped anything. Yeah, might have been one,
maybe one two in the whole series and the Outriet.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Because they did, didn't they Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
Yeah they did. And for players like Tom Latham, who
is a wicket keeper sort of trade and he's got
very very safe hands, I think he dropped a couple.
It was it was most extraordinary. Hagley Oval looks to
me to be a very catchable cricket ground if you like,
with not too many distractions around. But you have to

(17:44):
win matches by taking catches, or you have to take
catches to win matches, and that let England completely off
the hook those drop seas. They were seventy odd for four,
they made it through to one seventy for four and
then closer play three hundred odd for five or six.
I think it is a real lost opportunity for the
black Caps to really put the foot on the throat.

(18:05):
I thought the young bowlers did really well early on.
Nathan smith Is, Debbie Tanton, will overwalk in a couple others.
But the fielding was apart from that screamer from Glenn
Phillips late in the day that the fielding was a
real shame and it's contagious. When a Pettus dropped, you

(18:26):
often stand out on the field and go god, I'm
lucky that wasn't me. I hope the bordersn't come to me,
bang next, next, next delivery. Invariably it can go to
someone and they drop it as well. It's very contagiously.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
The game is evenly poised and there's still three days
to go, so and tests often don't go five days
these in these times. But this looks like it will.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, I mean at the very least, maybe not quite
evenly poised. Maybe sixty forty to England.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
But New England.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, but there's a game sort of already ebbed and
flowed a bit, so there's no reason it can't it
can't be brought back a little bit. Liam Lawson, he's coming.
He's qualified tenth for the sprint race in the Middle East,
which is in the head of which is.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
Always good, which is a key, and head of Sergio
Pirees and the red Ball which is great, which is
important for him, especially after Vegas last week where the
tire choice and the tactics and the track and the
coal conditions just didn't really suit Liamlawson in his car,
which was a shame. So he needs a real big
Grand Prix this weekend and next both in the Middle East. Yes,

(19:30):
qualifying tents for tomorrow morning sprint race, which is a
great effort, and three or four spots ahead of Sonoda
and Peris, which will please the team bosses. And if
he can score some points in the sprint events tomorrow
morning and then possibly score points in the in the
full Grand Prix on Monday morning, that that would be
a huge effort from from Liam Lawson. And I proved

(19:51):
again I think that last week was just a blip.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he has he has so far
looked really. I mean, I think he's done such a
good job so far, he's looked really going.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
To remember, he's he's competing against skys like Alonso, He's
been there for twenty odds years, Lewis Hamilton twenty odd years,
multiple World Championship, Max for Steve and one of the
greatest ever in Formula One. He's competing against guys that
have been there, done that for a long long time.
And this is only his six or seventh event overall.
So I think you've yes, And Formula One they don't

(20:23):
give a lot of drivers a lot of time. It's
very cutting. But I think Lawson has proven so far
that he belongs you, and I think if he does
well this weekend and next, he will be there next
to year.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah yeah, I really hope. So thank you so much, Sam.
We will catch again soon our SUPPORTO. Andrew Savill thank
you very much for your feedback as well. Jack, my
cousin and I seend postcards. You're right. The challenge with
postcards is to find them these days, and of course
I still send Christmas cards. It's a lovely way to
keep in touch or to say thank you to a
special workmatee Ah Sef can put himself in that department,

(20:54):
Jack says, Adele to send a card with the New
Zealand now cost two dollars thirty three dollars thirty four
overseas plus the cost of the cards. It's too expensive.
That's a very good point. John's also flip me not
to say, Jack, I say it thirty Christmas cards this year.
I reckon it'll be my last year because the cost
is so high. Two dollars thirty each means it cost
me sixty nine dollars just to send them, not mentioning

(21:15):
the cost of the carts ninety two ninety two. If
you want to send us a message twenty eight to ten.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Of your first really so shortage a that jongna a
laugh tad your jokes you did leave to coat.

Speaker 8 (21:45):
Lab track.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
That is, of course Rod Stewart. He's been announced for
the Legends slot at Glastonbury next year, so he's the
first on the bill. The performer though, is going to
cost him about three hundred thousand dollars because he's got
a flyer's banned all of the gear in from the
US three hundred and still deserving spot for the Lendin
slot at glasson Breeze. Right now it is twenty four

(22:11):
out ten on news talks. He'd be our film with
you of Francisco Rudkin is here this morning, kioda, good morning. Okay,
We've got two films this morning. One is streaming on
Prime Video at home. One is in cinemas. So let's
start off with the one in cinemas. This is good Rich.
Where are you?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
What I am saying? What I gotta go ninety days?

Speaker 9 (22:39):
You'll mom had to go back home for a little while.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
It's to see your grammar.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
You know, she's getting older, so.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Good deal older and I am. But anyway, there's good Rich,
tell us about it. Francisca.

Speaker 10 (22:55):
I look, I'm going to be honest.

Speaker 9 (22:57):
I love the beginning of this film, and the beginning
of this film is what you just heard on the
trainer there with this with this character played by Michael
Keaton called Ay Goodrich, who is a workaholic at Dela,
gets a call from his wife to tell him I've
gone to rehab and he's.

Speaker 11 (23:10):
Like, what do you mean you don't drink that much and.

Speaker 9 (23:12):
She's like, no, I'm addicted to pills and he's like, what, No,
you're not.

Speaker 8 (23:16):
And then he kind of wakes up.

Speaker 9 (23:18):
In the next one and going he drives up to
see her, she won't see him. He comes home, he's
got these two nine year old twins. He stats sort
of mentioning to other people, I don't know what's happened.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Nomi's gone to.

Speaker 9 (23:29):
Rehab and they're like, oh yeah, and everybody else knows
everyone else.

Speaker 10 (23:32):
It was not a surprising on him.

Speaker 9 (23:34):
And it's such a great setup because it tells you
so much about this character that we're about to go
on this journey with.

Speaker 10 (23:39):
It tells you that he is a worgholic. He is
not present in anyone's lives.

Speaker 9 (23:43):
He has no idea, what is even happening in his
own home or with his wife, and it's just a
It was a really clever way of setting this film up.
I think they do quite a decent job with this
film of what I thought was.

Speaker 11 (23:53):
Going to be quite a formulaic family drama.

Speaker 10 (23:56):
But it surprised me by only giving me half.

Speaker 11 (23:58):
The fairy tale Hollywood ending that I thought that I
was going to get, and not everything works out, you know, perfectly,
And actually that's really satisfying in this film, because of
course life is messy as that nothing sort.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Of works out perfectly.

Speaker 10 (24:16):
Michael Keaton is absolutely fabulous in this film.

Speaker 9 (24:19):
He's sort of at this age where he can pull
off being he's on his second or third marriage second,
I think, and you know, he's got an older daughter,
Grace played by Melaicunas, who he kind.

Speaker 11 (24:29):
Of pulls in to help him out.

Speaker 9 (24:31):
She's got a lot of issues about the fact that
he was a completely absent dad. He's got these two
young twins who are just absolutely fantastic and wonderfree, wonderfully
sort of precocious, and he doesn't really have anything to
do with them, so suddenly he's part of their day
to day lives and he says something to them. He
says to the daughter something about something she says and
how ala it is, and she just looks at him

(24:51):
and says something along the lines of, you know what,
if you don't want me to talk like I'm from La,
don't raise me in LA. It's there's really nice lines
and things in here. But really this is a film
about whether a middle aged man can kind of change
his way, whether he can overcome his self involvement, whether
he can give people sort of time and nurture relationships.

(25:13):
And yeah, I was.

Speaker 10 (25:15):
I was pleasantly surprised. I thought it was going to
be very predictable.

Speaker 9 (25:18):
It is kind of predictable, Jack, But actually I kind
of got drawn into it and enjoyed it.

Speaker 12 (25:23):
Really.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Okay, cool, that sounds great, So that is good Rich.
That one is showing in cinemas at the moment. Next up,
this one is streaming on Prime Videos starting on Tuesday
of this week. This is Absolution.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
I've been having these headaches.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Have you sustained concussions over the course of your life?

Speaker 13 (25:41):
You could say that.

Speaker 7 (25:46):
Just tell me what I need to get better.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
There is no treatment.

Speaker 14 (25:50):
This is your grandfather, Mark says, your in prison for
not walking away.

Speaker 15 (26:00):
That is Liam mason.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Last action.

Speaker 9 (26:07):
Yeah, because he's seventy two now and he's kind of
decided that, you know, really to be able to pull
it off and for it to look authentic, he's probably
an age and stage now where he's going.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
But I feel like, isn't it a strick that he
always like He's always like, uh, you know, I've had
a few bumps and scrapes over the years, and I
can't run as fast as I used to it, but
I can still shoot straight.

Speaker 9 (26:27):
Look at I want to be aged just doesn't beieve
he should do anything he wanted any time, you know.

Speaker 8 (26:31):
And he does have a great.

Speaker 9 (26:32):
Stunt person, but he does do a lot of his
own fight scenes and things like that as well, and
he probably, to be honest with you, there are some
good boxing scenes in this film, and I was a little.

Speaker 16 (26:40):
Bit worried about him, but then I'm worried about anyone.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
In the boxing row.

Speaker 8 (26:44):
Look.

Speaker 9 (26:45):
Both the films that I'm talking about today feat your
middle aged men kind of reflecting on their lives. This one, though,
is a bit more meandering, a little bit more brooding.
If you were going to go and see Liam Nissan
in this film where he plays a very old school gangster.
He looks like he's from the seventies. The film makes
she feels like it could have been made in the

(27:05):
seventies a little bit as well. And then don't go
for the action because this is actually quite a slow, brooding,
reflective film as opposed to that sort.

Speaker 11 (27:16):
Of you know, sexy, quick bang bang.

Speaker 16 (27:18):
Kind of thriller.

Speaker 11 (27:21):
So just just putting that out there for you.

Speaker 10 (27:24):
It's a film.

Speaker 9 (27:27):
That kind of takes a look at broken relationships once again.

Speaker 11 (27:30):
He's got a very dysfunctional relationship with his daughter. He
discovers he's got CT which I didn't think could be
diagnosed until he actually died.

Speaker 9 (27:36):
Anyway, he's got a terrible dementia and he knows too long.
Ye yes, yeah, yeah, when fas get in the way.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
I was so believable. Otherwise anyway, sorry they say that.

Speaker 9 (27:48):
Anyway, Moving on, So he he's trying to sort of
maybe repair damage that's done and try to stop sort
of the cycles of violence that has gone through his
family and leave a legacy to his grandchildren. But the
underworld is a very hard place to leave, and so
he kind of gets a little bit stuck in there.

Speaker 8 (28:05):
I think Liam Lison elevates this material.

Speaker 9 (28:07):
I think they've got the tone and the pacing not
I don't think they've got the tone in the pacing
right for this film and what they were trying to achieve.
But look, I'll always sit and watch a little bit
of Liam Nison. Also stars Ron Pilman and Landa Ross.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Fantastic. Okay, yeah, it does sound like a bit of fun,
and that's that's what it's all about. So that it's
not fun, well you know what I mean though, it's
like escapism, you know, it's not Yeah, it's not funny.
A bit of escape, a bit of escapism anyway. Okay,
so that's absolution. By the way, Friends Escaped producer Libby
went and saw Wicked on Your Advice this week. She

(28:40):
said she enjoyed it, but she found it extremely long, so.

Speaker 10 (28:45):
She knows it's only part one.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
She knows it's only part one. So she said she
did not feel like Wicked the whole story needed to
be a five hour epochs. So she agreed one hundred percent.
Agrees with you. She said they got point. There were
points in the film where she was like, I really
don't think this needs to be a song. I think
it could have just been one line or a facial
expression and that would have covered us. But instead we've
got six minutes in it. Yeah, I would drag.

Speaker 10 (29:07):
Her along to the part two pre when it comes out.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
She'll be fizzing. Hey, thank you, thank you so much.
We will love catching you next week. Francesca Rudkin. There
those films again, good Rich. That's the one showing in cinemas.
The second one, Absolution, is the one with Liam Neeson.
So that is going to be on Prime Video from
Tuesday of this week. And don't worry if you haven't
scribbled them down quickly, or you haven't typed a text
message to yourself or anything like that. We put everything

(29:32):
from our show right up on the news talks he'db website, Newstalks,
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Jack says Carla. I was still receiving about one hundred
cards a year at the turn of the century, and
I used to send handwritten cards with a short family
letter to which I would add stuff at the very bottom.

(29:52):
Sent cards until twenty nineteen, when we started living in
a motor home and traveled for two years. Now I
only respond to those who send one to me. Thank
you Carlor. One hundred cards a year. I mean that
is amazing, amazing to receive that many cards. I don't
know though, I don't as much as I enjoy writing
a handwritten card, and I enjoy the thought. I certainly

(30:15):
don't have the patients or the hand muscles to write
one hundred cards a year. I mean that is an
enormous task, isn't it. Ninety two ninety two? If you
want to send us a message at sixteen to.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
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Speaker 3 (30:35):
Christmas cards are tangible and tactile small gifts, especially if
you buy hyend ones. Yeah, that's nice, is Lyle Lyle,
thank you Jack. I live in Auckland. I've got a
friend to him. We send postcards every other week. She
lives ten kilometers away and we've been doing it for
years and years. That's nice. And my dear friend Margaret
sent me your notes. Sir Jack, Kevin's right about the

(30:56):
Christmas cards and the dreaded long letter. In the days
of thirty or forty cards, it was honestly a bit
of a competition, and they had special cheap rates for
sending Christmas cards Christmas. Nowadays it is a privilege and
a huge pleasure to receive them. Hint, hint, thanks Margaret
thirteen to ten on News Talks, he'd be NICKI wex
our cook is here this morning, Kelder.

Speaker 17 (31:18):
Kyota. It is the highlight of my year when I
go out to my mailbox and finds the Christmas card
from YouTube.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Oh, come on, we all know you're pushing things too, father.

Speaker 17 (31:31):
I think, I think, should I say, it's this predictable
surprise you go?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
There, you go, even.

Speaker 17 (31:37):
Though you've mentioned it today, I know that, but you've
sent me one this year.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
It'll get eventually, Oh my gosh, there it is. Yeah. Yeah,
so it's great, Yeah, you go. Strawberries are in season.
I tell you what I've had so since I had
a little garden. I've got my best strawberry crop that
I've had so far this year. I don't know what
it was this year. I think fantastic. I think it
was not mentioning it to the seven year old that
might have been been and so, and he just for

(32:04):
whatever reason, hasn't poked around that corner of the garden,
so it hasn't come across all of the strawberries. But
they are just coming into season and they're delicious. They
really are.

Speaker 17 (32:15):
This warmer weather is really serving us well. And I
wish someone would tell my tell the birds. I mean,
I just grab them for the birds flanly, they lift
them in my gun, and the years you can put
the netting over and all that, but then you find
a poor bird flapping around in there.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
I can't be bothered.

Speaker 17 (32:28):
So I agree. They're really good. They're really great this season.
They're sweet, they're luscious. They're not watery in any way.
It doesn't seem to me. So I'm loving them. And look,
this is a new recipe. I will admit to seeing
a version of this on Instagram. And when what's that
that looks great? And it's this giant shoe cake and

(32:49):
shoe is c hou x the past So if you
think it clear as in the pastry, so if you
think about it in a clear or a cream puff,
that's what this isn't I just absolutely love this cake.
It's amazing. It comes from the Polish carpacker, which is
a very traditional, a little bit like our pavlova, but
I've sort of mixed it up, made it a bit

(33:10):
easier and a bit more rustic. So I'm going to
run us through the recipe. Shoe bastry frightens people, fear not.
This is what you do in a pot. You're going
to combine seventy five mills of water and seventy five
mills of milk, seventy five grams of butter, and one
tablespoon of sugar and a little pinch of salt. I mean,
I've put a teaspoon of salt in mine, but that's gratuitous,

(33:33):
even I admit that. And you heat that over a
medium heat until it starts simmering. Then take it off
the heat jack and add in flour. One hundred grams
of sifted flour gets dumped in there, and you mix
it around until there's no dry flour left in there,
and then bring it back to the heat and sort
of stir it in the pot and it forms a ball,
which is just the flour cooking out jack, and it'll

(33:56):
come away from the sides of the pot. There will
be some residue at the bottom of the pot. That's fine,
that's normal. Don't expect to have a sort of non
sticking situation. Take it off the heat, and at that
point you can either do this but with a hand
beat a wooden spoon which I used to use these days,
I tip it into my bowl of my mixer and
I do it with a standing mixer because I find

(34:18):
it easier. We're going to add three large eggs to this. Now,
this is the tricky bit. You want to beat those
eggs prior, and you want to add a sort of
about an egg at a time. But on the last egg,
you want to kind of just put a little bit in,
a little bit in a little bit. If you try
and do that with an unbeaten egg, the whole fing
goes in. So that's why you get to beat them first.

(34:38):
Because we're looking for a consistency once you add these
eggs and beat them into the dough, we're looking for this,
you know, just shy of a dropping consistency, I'd say, Jack.
So you want the beaters to kind of, you know,
the dough not to quite fall off those beaters, and
it'll be smooth and it'll be glossy and beautiful. And
then whack. You actually whack your oven before you've done

(35:00):
any of this on two hundred degrees fan. And you
want to line the bottoms of two, say twenty to
twenty three send tometer spring formed tins with baking paper
and grease up the sides a little bit with butter.
We're gonna split the dough. We're gonna do a bit
in each. If you don't have two tins the same size,
just do them one after the other because they've only

(35:21):
got cooking time of twenty twenty five minutes. So you
take that dough that's quite stiff, and you spread it
around the base of that lined tin and scrape it
a little bit up the sides, which is weird.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
I didn't know if it was gonna work. It's weird.

Speaker 17 (35:35):
And then with the back of the spoon, I even
sort of put the back of the spoon into the
dough all over the surface and sort of pull it
up so that there's these kind of little little points,
little hills. And what happens is after when we cook that,
they became these sort of crevices and valleys, which was
just what you want bake it for twenty five minutes.

(35:55):
It should be a deep, even kind of golden color,
and then call it down completely for ten minutes. To
assemble the cake, jack super super simple. Whip some cream.
I'm just using some regular cream with maybe one or
two big tablespoons of icing sugar, a big tablespoon of
vanilla extract. I really want that vanilla to flavor to
come through with our strawberries. Whip that until you've sort

(36:17):
of got soft peaks, and then fold in a very
thick strawbought custard. I use the Mellow Fresh, not an
ad just saying it's thick and creamy.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
It's the best white out there for that.

Speaker 17 (36:29):
And then what you're going to do is to assemble
the cake, because you've got two of these beautiful discs.
You put one on the serving plate, you put the
spring form tin back around it, Pile on your cream
and custard, Pile on some chopped strawberries in there. Probably
used about a cup of strawberries, and you serve some
on the side, and then put another layer of cream
and then gently press down that next shoe layer and

(36:51):
that's in the spring form tin, and then just refrigerate
it for a couple of hours or even overnight. Spring
you know, open the spring of the tin. It's already
on your serving paint dust it with icing sugar, and
it is amazing that sort of shoe pastry. It's got
such an all my most neutral flavor. Yeah against you
beautiful vanilla cream, custard and the strawberries. It's great. You

(37:12):
just chop it into big weaches.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
It's awesome. Oh so good. Good for the Christmas table. Oh,
it looks so good for the Christmas table. Absolutely, you
are not thank you. We will make sure that recipe
is up and available at Newstalks edb dot co dot
Nz so you can make it for a we treat
this weekend and we'll be back at a couple of minutes.
Right now, it's seven to ten on Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 3 (37:42):
Thank you very much. We've had so many texts and
emails this hour, and I'm glad that I'm not the
only one kind of lamenting the slow death of the
handwritten note. I know It's something we've been dealing with
for a wee while now, but it's this time of
year when you really come to appreciate Today. Jack absolutely
love listening to you on a Saturday morning and agree
regarding Christmas cards, you asked for a record. I reckon

(38:02):
our record was more than one hundred and twenty. That
would have been before the year two thousand. That's remarkable.
Thank you, Karen. I appreciate your message one hundred and twenty.
But if you've got a scene one hundred and twenty,
oh my god, no wonder people decided that maybe emails
and texts could be easier anyway. After ten o'clock this morning,

(38:23):
if you are looking for a nice quiet weekend on
the couch at home, good news, we've got our screen
time segment with shows to watch your stream from home.
As well as that, of course, the stars of one
O two are going to be with us in studio.
It is going absolute gangbusters at the box office so far.
Affy my Phraser, David Funny and yes, mister timwhit To

(38:44):
Morrison are going to be with us right after the
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Speaker 4 (39:19):
Sign how and it comfort.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Ah So catchy, isn't it. The sequel to Disney's smash
hit animation Mowana has sailed into cinemas this week. So
in the first film, of course, Mina was chosen by
her way finding ancestors and the mysterious forces of the
ocean to restore the natural order of things. And the
Mourana story is really champion Pacific mythology. Mona two is

(39:58):
making history as the first Indigenous language film to premiere
globally alongside its English counterpart. So they've got a Totereal
Maldi version that has been released this week simultaneously. Both
versions feature huge Pacific a key. We've voiced casts and
we are lucky to have in studio chief Tuy Martangi
and Kelly that's Tim Weader Morris and Afi my Phraser

(40:19):
and David Fani.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Mister provely to be here. And may I say, I've
really enjoyed the way you have embraced Tadeo as well,
and one of those journalists that are in high mainstream
media and just making a normal So congratulations to you,
and you make us feel good, buddy, So all the best,
all the bank you.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
I appreciate that. I'm looking forward to asking you about
the El Maudi version of Moana two. But first of all, Tim,
where does the story pick up for people who loved
Wana the first film.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yes, well, we were still in Motunui, and whereas the
first one.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Was, I was always saying, no one goes beyond the reef.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
But things are normal and we're all fishing and eating
pretty well. And but this time, Morana's growing up a
couple of years, right, a few years years, and she's
matured a little bit. And the big thing is I
kind of kind of put a big responsibility on her
that she's just the chosen one in a way, and

(41:21):
now it's time for her to go beyond the reef
and unite the people of the Pacific, bring us together
as one. And yeah, that's where we find it, and
that's where we go.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
It sounds like quite a personent, quite a personent little storyline.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Look, the narrative is just incredible. She goes off on
a journey, of course, and then some more discoveries, some
more sea monsters, some more spooky, but the drama of course,
wonderful performances from from Ole and and the rock too.
Of course, we have flavors of some more and with

(42:02):
tobacco of course, the Toku Lauan cultures and the language
is very much there within the music very dynamic of course,
and it's just it's great to come back, really, I really.
I have a five year old too, so I thought
about this. Yes, I'd love to be back. One day.
I can take her to the film and see it again.

(42:24):
And I've been a bit slack though we had to
switch theaters last night. She started running around causing heavy
I had to take it into the English one, so
she sits off a little bit. So I've got to
do my own homework at home and start teaching her
a little bit more Maldy because she started to get restless.
But just wonderful and amazing. The talent now, not only

(42:48):
in the Tadeo Maldi, but just the talent this one here,
the new character playing Martgui.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
The voices.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Really really matching the first one, and even going beyond
a bit. I think it might even be a little
bit better. So it's got all the colors and all
the the narrative is great as there's surprises in there.
There's a couple of big surprises in terms of bringing
a couple of those wonderful characters back and again it's

(43:17):
like walking with our ancestors at times, and some of
those spiritual moments really come through too. So so I'm
looking forward to the reaction, especially from AUTOMADICKI that are
you know, going through the core hunger, all going through
the bilingual schools, and you know they can sit proud
and feel good about about there that are being reflected
back on them to make them feel good. You know,

(43:37):
when I was growing up, sometimes it wasn't that most
popular thing to sort of promote our Maldi kind of things.
But our work has changed, Jack, you know, we people
are jumping on our tipting. It become a normal thing.
So it's a wonderful time. And as to me, last night,
the New Zealand premiere with tadel Mali version was really
a celebration of those talents and also for our women.

(44:02):
You know, it was a woman company. Mart de Wir,
the Tweedy wait to take his sister and Chelsea Wins
Stanley Mia. It was the work of these woman, the
hard work that and persistence that got our Maldi version
ready in time to launch last night.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
So very very proud. Yeah, you got to say somebody,
I think. Was it like in the Caller? What's it
like when you get the corner They're like, hey, yeah,
we're making one or two? You got the role?

Speaker 4 (44:30):
I don't get that excited.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
What time's lunch?

Speaker 18 (44:35):
Well I definitely did. It was it was a surreal,
a very surreal feeling. The audition process was back in
twenty twenty two, so it's been a bit of a journey.
Been a bit of a wait to actually watch it
for the first time this week in Australia first actually,
and then of course last night in Tadelle Mardy, which
was beautiful. But I had the audition, saw that Disney

(45:00):
was attached to the co popper, didn't know much about
the character, certainly didn't know her name. I had some
sort of audition script about monsters, and then I waited
for about six seven months, thought no, no worries, gave
it my best, all good, no, Well, you know, it

(45:22):
had been a little while, and so I was I
was doing a kid show Toy Time, and driving to
the studio to do another album for that, and and
an email popped up, pulled, pulled across the road and
it was meet and greet with Disney producers. And I
wrung my husband and I said, what what do you think?

Speaker 3 (45:44):
This is real? Do you know what this is?

Speaker 18 (45:46):
Do you what does it mean? What does that mean?
What was a meet and greet? And so no, it
was amazing. A couple of weeks later, I chose to
take the the Zoom meet and greet and my fuddy
and my home to feel a bit a bit more settled,
and and they did. We just chatted about we chatted

(46:07):
about this country, about what had led me to pursue
storytelling and singing and screen acting, and I got to
talk about Frozen del Mardi, which of course was my
first collaboration with Matiwa Media playing Alsa Pokik. And then
a couple of weeks after that was the call from

(46:29):
from my agent saying they'd like to offer you the role.
And then that was just the I just remember feeling
completely almost like numb, not in my body. I wasn't
quite sure how to process that that you get to
join not only the Disney faro, but but to to

(46:50):
join a movie that I loved just as UFI my
The first Mona moved me and and I cried and
I loved the music. So yeah, it was it was
a pretty surreal. And it's still really surreal, you know,
that that we get to join the unbelievable Poe of
our industry and and to to come on board this

(47:17):
beautiful Poe of you know, right and and of course him,
and it's just been it's just been a dream. What
about you joining this this Disney fan though it.

Speaker 14 (47:28):
Didn't really bother me, you know, like I didn't want
at all. Like originally it was going to be a
TV series and so you know, I've done TV series
animation before, so there I was doing that. And then
and then they up the game and so it was
a movie and I found myself, you know, you know,

(47:50):
a bit weakened the nether region and a bit squirty
down there, and you know, meant I had to work
and do something, and then you know, that's when stuff
got real. Yeah, and it was really funny just knowing

(48:10):
that you were honoring something that had been done before
but you were being charged with taking it further again.
And that's that was the exciting part, is that you,
out of all people, you know, all of us, are
chosen to go forward again and to say yeah, I'll

(48:31):
accept and go forward. You know, it was quite humbling,
do you.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Think yea, it occurs to me that you have dedicated
your creative life to promoting Pacific stories. And when you
think about the impact of Pacific stories in a global sense,
it's hard in recent times to go past the size
and scale of Moana. Can you can you quantify the
impact that Moana has had for Pacific peoples and Pacific

(48:58):
stories in a global context.

Speaker 14 (49:00):
With a global context? Is this is that it's the
way of thinking in the Pacific round here we we
understand the concept of you know, the ancestors come with us.
That's pardon parcel. It's a spirituality and h and yet
you know in the Northern hemisphere, you know, there's a

(49:21):
certain disconnect between land sea and people. They there's the
there's a separation with them and even in their storytelling
there's a separation. And here, well, I love is in
the Pacific, we we always strive to include in the
entirety of the area that we're in and to show

(49:44):
that the entirety and the way that we think there
is actually a valid and and and in a beautiful
way of thinking, like the MARII look look and you
said it before we went on here about the normalizing

(50:04):
this that it's not such a foreign cont scept and
Disney's on board with that because they released them at
the same time. It's like, it's just just as what
it is. And how wonderful is that where just as
so we can breathe, we just are And that's how
stories they just are. They're given and we as a
specific a story tell us and Marty's storytellers. It's it's

(50:28):
something you hold in your hand and you give to
people and you go, yep, you hold that for a
while and we'll go find something else we can play with,
you know. And it's beautiful. And Tim there's been such
a leader and well we've been laughing about him playing
chief too, but the fact is there can be no

(50:49):
you know, he's held so much before and and there
there was no one to help him. There was no
one there with him. And it's nice to be able
to stand next to him and and and hold hold hands,
hold hands with them, say yeah, we're here. The rest
of us were caught up.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
And I think last night too, I just showed the
amount of talent there and even in the Jaden Randall
came number two in the Voice in Australia and like
we did the Australian media, you know, and the culture
of the Pacific seems to transcend right right, not only
in Australia but all around the world. You know, it's

(51:31):
mum and dad really and a kid, you know, and
and the kids at home. So no matter where you
are in the world, Mum and daid okay, kids one
or twos aren't and freeze them up for that hundred minutes.
But they're always in the background listening, you know. They're
taking it in a in.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
A peripheral way, I guess.

Speaker 9 (51:47):
So it's just it.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Was very dynamic last night. And again when you hear
this one sing, she's now like our Polynesian Beyonce. Give
us a little stands up Saturday morning.

Speaker 18 (52:05):
You got to injure the itgerously.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah, when the meet and great with the Didney producers,
I can see.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Even I make the singing cut in the village.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yes, So don't be late to.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
The movie because my song it happens in the first
minute in the movie.

Speaker 14 (52:31):
Get there early and then you can leave.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
It was just great because I was a little bit
in the first one while I must say that maybe
the note was a little high for me, so I
got a little bit upset when the movie came out
and no one told me they'd replaced my voice. But
with the second one they used me, so I'm.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Very very Yes, they put it in the right key
for you. I made the cut.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Yeah, I could hit the note too, so that was good.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
But the little training a little bit, Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Well, congratulations to all of them, and thank you because
there is such a gift not only to Disney fans,
but like especially all of those those good kids around
the country who you know, seeing a movie like this
in real Maudi as well. It's just this has a
profound impact.

Speaker 18 (53:22):
I think the beautiful thing about it is if they
would like to just watch it in our real yeah,
then that's an option for them. And you know, that's
that's what our final at Multiwa Media have been striving for.
It's just for Automatiki to have the option.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
Yeah, this is where We're lucky to having those people
like in those productions that have the capability whereas you know,
be great to see it in someone, be great to
see it in the Hawaiian language, you know, for all
those people. But that's where we're lucky here down in
New Zealand. We have a number of trained people in
those areas that you know, they can make this possible.

Speaker 14 (53:52):
We were trailblazers New Zealand, you know, and all together
we are we are going beyond the reef because what
else is there is you have to go. You have
to have a look. You've got to try your hand
ver enough.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah, thank you, that's a beautiful thank you so much,
good much. Yes, that's so good. Timoid and Morrison Affi,
my Phraser, David Fanner. The three are stars of Moana two,
and of course Moana two and Moana two Real Maudi
are both in cinemas now. It's twenty two past ten
Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame. This is News Talk's EDB.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Jack
Day and Bpurt dot code on inst for high quality
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Speaker 3 (54:39):
So you might have heard that terrible news. There is
currently a hooping cough epidemic in New Zealand. That's what
the public health experts have declared. So before eleven o'clock
this morning, we had to catch up with our doctor,
doctor Brian Betty, get his thoughts on hooping cough and
obviously his advice on how best to avoid it. Obviously
a big concern for anyone who has small children in

(54:59):
particular in their lives, so I went to double check
this week. Fortunately, I had my hooping cough JAB a
couple of years ago when I had my lead gouged
open in a football game. One of the upsides that experience,
one of a few upsides to that experience was I
got a technicis JAB which happened to include by hooping
GOFF vaccination as well. But anyway, doctor Brian Betty's going
to be joining us before eleven o'clock. Right now, it's

(55:20):
twenty five past ten and on your Saturday mornings, that
means it's screen time time. Taraward is here with her
three picks for us this week. Gilda Tara Giuda, good morning. Okay,
let's begin wre the show streaming on TVNZ Plus from
tomorrow tell us about Ludwig.

Speaker 10 (55:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (55:37):
This is a delightful new British crime drama that starts tomorrow.
It stars British comedian David Mitchell who plays a guy
called John Taylor. And John is an introverted genius puzzle setter,
so his job is to create the crosswords and the
puzzles that people do each day in the newspaper. And
he's contacted by his sister in law who is worried

(55:59):
about John's identical twin brother, James. And James is a
detective who has disappeared on a job and John is
persuaded against his better judgment to impersonate his brother to
infiltrate the police system and to work out where his
brother is and what's going on. He gets caught up
in the case and because his natural talent is puzzle
solving and logic, he starts putting all the pieces together

(56:23):
on the case that his brother is working on and
begins to solve it. And I mean, it sounds a
bit far fetched, but it is a lot of fun.
It's the perfect kind of show to watch on a
Sunday night. It's light and cozy and it's a funny
show which you don't get very often with a detective series.
And the humor is because John is such a fish
out of water. He would rather be at home doing

(56:43):
puzzles than being out in the real world with all
its noise and annoying people. You know, he's quite an awkward,
grumpy guy. And if you've seen David Mitchell on any
sort of British comedy panel show, this feels very much
like that he was born for.

Speaker 19 (56:59):
This is great.

Speaker 12 (56:59):
I really enjoyed this one.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Okay, great. I love David Mitchell. He's so witty.

Speaker 6 (57:04):
I just.

Speaker 7 (57:06):
Quick.

Speaker 10 (57:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
I mean it's like a sense of humor that only
a brick could have, you know what I mean. Yeah,
or maybe an Irish person. Yeah, but anyway, So that's Ludwig.
That's on TVNZ Plus from tomorrow on three Now. ReBs.

Speaker 12 (57:20):
Yeah, another detective show. This one is quite different in tone.
This is ReBs. It's a Scottish detective series made by
the BBC, set in Edinburgh and of course based on
the Inspector Rivers books by Ian Rankin, and it's about
a detective named John Reabs who's played by Richard Rankin
from Outlander, and he does a fantastic job here in
bringing this troubled, conflicted detective to life. Reabs is an

(57:45):
anti hero. You know, he's a bit dodgy, he likes
his booze. He's not a great dad. He's the type
of guy who wants to do the right thing but
doesn't always know how to do it. And the case
that he's working on involves a local gangster and it
becomes personal when Rebs's older brother becomes caught up in it.
It's quite a dark and gritty crime drama. You know,

(58:07):
there's some violence in this, there's not much joy. Set
in the towel blocks and the tougher parts of town.
It's about Rebus's life as a dad and an alcoholic
as much as it is about him solving crimes. And
if you've read the books, this is Rebus as a younger,
quite contemporary character. You know, they've made TV shows about
Reabs before, but this is kind of a fresh take

(58:27):
on him. It's well made as well active. It feels
a bit old fashioned and not in a bad way,
but just that. It's a really solid crime drama with
some grit and toughness to it, maybe a bit like
shows like Taggett and Cracker. There's a realness to this
that I think people.

Speaker 14 (58:44):
Will really like.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Fantastic, Okay, there, this sounds really good. Rebus is on
three now and on Disney Plus. Beatles sixty four.

Speaker 10 (58:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (58:52):
This is the latest in a long line of music
documentaries that have taken original footage of the Beatles and
remastered it and repackaged it for viewers today. And this
documentary is produced by Martin Scorsese, and it's about what
happened when the Beatles went to America for the first
time in nineteen sixty four.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
They were there for two weeks.

Speaker 12 (59:12):
Seventy million people watched them perform on The Ed Sullivan Show.
And the doco catches the hysteria, the beetle mania that
happened and the way the Beatles helped to lift America
out of the grief of Kennedy's assassination and kick started
this new era of pop culture. And there's some amazing
behind the scenes archival footage of the band here, of

(59:36):
all the fans, you know, people sneaking into the hotels.
It very much takes you back to that time and place,
and it also interviews people who were there at the
time who look back on what that moment with the Beatles,
meant with them, meant to them, and how the Beatles
influenced their lives, which is really lovely. And watching this
remind me, you know, today when musicians come and perform,

(59:57):
they have these huge stages and screens and all sorts
of bells and whistles. But the Beatles in nineteen sixty
four were just four guys on a stage. That was
it and it was electric.

Speaker 7 (01:00:07):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:00:07):
They changed the world, and so this.

Speaker 12 (01:00:09):
Documentary really catches the sense of that they were in
the eye of this incredible storm. And I think if
you were of this era particularly, you're really enjoyed this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Yeah, okay, that sounds wonderful. I think there'll be a
lot of fans for that one. That's Beadles sixty four.
It's on Disney Plus. Atara. I took your advice and
it was my turn in our household to choose what
we were watching this week, So we watched Say Nothing,
which we actually recommended to us last week. So I
had read the book. Say Nothing is, of course, the
the Disney series that follows a book basically about some

(01:00:41):
personal relationships during the troubles. It's based on a true story,
so we watched it this week. It was so good.
But you know what, it was one of those shows
we would watch it in the evening and then I
go to bed and I would just wake up in
the middle of the night and I'd still be thinking
about it and I knew what happened, you know. So yeah,
I'm going to total all your recommendations from last week.

(01:01:01):
Say nothing on Disney Plus is superb.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
I'm so glad.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Yeah, thank you so much those shows once again. Ludwig
is on TVNZ plus, Rebus is on three Now, Beatles
sixty four is on Disney Plus. Thank you for your messages, Jack,
Tim Wader Morrison is an absolute national treasure. Jack absolutely
loved your conversation with the one or two stars. Tim
is a crack up, isn't he. He's wonderful a such
a character. Twenty nine to eleven on News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
dB, Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
Team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
This is coole A. This is Asia. Asia is a
key we artist who's been making some incredible moves over
the last couple of years. She's just released her debut album,
This is Her Voice. This is Crankly beats. She's been
producing this album for a week while now it's for

(01:02:10):
seven years in the making and this is the title track,
which actually came back in twenty twenty. I came out
in twenty twenty. It's called car Why. Anyway, she took
home the my Aorha Silver Scroll Award for the Waiata
to Ehu and has since tourred with lab. She's headlined
the Newtown Festive all performed Cube Doupa. She's Wellington based
as an established force, so anyway, she's just released her

(01:02:32):
Lai's album or her first album, her debuted car Why.
We're going to have our first real curated taste of
Asia's sound this morning and we'll make sure we cover
a little bit of time so we can play some
of that before midday. Our music reviewer Estelle is going
to be in before twelve o'clock with her thoughts on
that as well before eleven Route climb passes in the
Garden Ah with advice I can definitely use on how

(01:02:54):
to get rid of mealybugs at your place. Right now,
it's twenty five to two.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 15 (01:03:04):
So the government did release the COVID report despite a
number of indications they were not going to sole that
make a job of difference next time round. Former Treasury Secretary,
National Health Board Member in New Zealand Initiative senior fellow
these days, Doctor Murray horns with us if this was it,
in other words, we weren't doing phase two. Is it
comprehensive enough?

Speaker 7 (01:03:19):
I don't think so. My view of it is quite
a generous assessment of what went on, and I think
it misses a couple of really big points. The first
point I would make is that it doesn't really pick
up the fact that the damaged done to the economy
and took people's trust in government and so on and
so on was more serious than it needed to be.

Speaker 15 (01:03:37):
Back Monday, from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
the Range Drover the last news talk z B.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Well, Australia has passed its big law. This is the
social media ban. So effectively, sixteen year olds in Australia
or people under the age of sixteen in Australia will
not be allowed to use social media. They're going to
have various verification processes, but the burden or the onus
to verify social media uses ages, all gets put on

(01:04:08):
the social media companies themselves. Our textbit Pulstine houses here
with the details. Caulder, Paul, This is pretty big.

Speaker 20 (01:04:14):
Yeah, And I truly don't know how they're going to
do this, Jack, in all seriousness, I don't know what
the solution is going to be, especially when the government
has said they cannot use any government ID, so they
can't use a passport, they can't use a birth certificate
due to privacy concerns, And I was actually racking my
brain this morning trying to think of how they could

(01:04:34):
do this, and the only other form of verification I
could think was a credit card. Yeah, and a credit
card is typically issued to people over the age of eighteen,
but that's not sixteen. No, obviously that also creates quite
a barrier, right, Oh, you've got to have a credit card. Well,
then you've got to have a credit score, you've got
to like have maintained good credit, or you've got to
apply or whatever it is. I truly don't understand what

(01:04:56):
they're going.

Speaker 10 (01:04:57):
To do here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Yeah, it's tough. Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:05:00):
Yeah, And look, I've worked in digital products for quite
some time and I'm seriously I'm racking my to think
what they're going to do unless they get together. The
government said they don't want to do any sort of
kind of you know, like sixteen plus ID. So un
least the social media companies get together and create like

(01:05:21):
a consortium and they create their own kind of like
sixteen plus ID. Honestly, I'm trying to think of what
the companies would do. Like if I was working at
somewhere like Meta and was given this problem, I don't
know how I'd solve it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Yeah, it's going to be amazing. I mean, the burden
riders shifted on to the social media companies, so they
get for the find.

Speaker 20 (01:05:41):
But hey, but remember the burden is there already today
because you have to be over thirteen in their terms
and conditions.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
You have to conditions. But they don't get punished, right
so if someone if someone breaks it, they don't get fined.

Speaker 20 (01:05:52):
No, but they do. I mean, they do the only
thing you can do, which is put out, hey, what's
your birthday?

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Like I I mean no, I've had stuff though where
I've had to send photo ID before.

Speaker 8 (01:06:05):
You know, a lot of use.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
I mean, that's what makes it tricky to me. Yeah,
it's been a rock and a hard place.

Speaker 20 (01:06:12):
Yeah, this is a really good example of a law
of it. It sounds great, don't get me wrong. Do
we need to do something about kids and social media, absolutely,
but this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
You're not convinced by this one? Interesting?

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Okay, well look, well the proof of the puddings in
the eating. We'll see how it all goes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Yes, Interestingly, while lots of companies are trying to put
satellites in space to increase internet access spaces, of course,
being top of the list, Meta is building a ten
billion dollar undersea cable that spans the entire globe.

Speaker 7 (01:06:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:06:42):
Well, when your company is ten percent of all land
based internet traffic and twenty two percent of all mobile
internet traffic on the planet, you know that pipes are important,
and that's why they are laying a forty thousand kilometer cable.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Yeah, this is the report.

Speaker 20 (01:06:59):
So they haven't confirmed this yet, but all reports suggest
that this is what they're going to do. It's going
to take them around ten years to complete, and it's
it's a fascinating pattern. It's called the w It goes
from the East coast in the US down to South Africa,
up to India down to Australia. They're going to use
Darwin at the top of Australia there and then over
to the west coast of the US. So it forms

(01:07:22):
that kind of double U shape the world and the
purposely avoiding areas that they're saying geopill have geopolitical tension,
such as the such as the Red Sea and the
South China. See because one of the things that some
of these you know groups are doing to disrupt things
is they're disrupting the undersea cables and of course repairing

(01:07:43):
trying to repair those is a bit of a nightmare.
So yeah, they're trying to take these routes that they
think are going to be the safest. It's interesting though,
right because if you own the pipe, you can control
what you do with the plank, and so it's in
some ways it could be a win for Meta customers
because it's the WhatsApps, the facebooks, the Instagrams of the world,
because they get to prioritize their own traffic. And interestingly,

(01:08:05):
if Meta is going to play and this AI game,
there is a lot of AI innovation technology skills in India,
and they say that this pipe that is obviously you
know has India as part of its w means that
the US will have META will have a nice high
speed pathway to get access through the data centers that

(01:08:25):
they think will be built for AI in India.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Interesting, that's really intriguing. Hey, maybe I'm just trying to
organize that. Oh can you imagine how long that cable
has to be?

Speaker 20 (01:08:36):
Like, I'm trying to think of the cable drum on
the back of the show.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
Huge.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Yeah, I think I think it's only a haunch, but
I suspect they might need to refill the capital drum
one or two times. Hey, thank you so much, Paul.
We'll catch again soon. That's our textbook, Paul Stenhouse. Doctor
Brian Betty is here with details on this hooping coffee epidemic.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Next, a litle bit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Of way to kick off your weekend than with Jack
Saturday Mornings with Jack, Tay and Bepewart on co dot
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Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Doctor Brian Betty is here this morning. Calderbra Ki Jack.

Speaker 16 (01:09:07):
It nice to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Yeah, nice to be speaking with you. You know, it
is really concerning, isn't it? More than two hundred and
sixty cases of hooping cough have been diagnosed in the
last four weeks. The national epidemic has just been declared
in New Zealand, and hooping cough's really serious.

Speaker 16 (01:09:23):
Look, it is really serious. It's this epidemic is a
real concern. Look, last year we didn't have a hooping
cough epidemic, yet three babies died in New Zealand from
hooping cough, so it is a very very serious disease. Now, look,
it's caused by bacteria called tussis, and this bacteria gets
into the lungs and the throat and it damages the

(01:09:46):
lining and the thing you start to as this cough,
which can go on for weeks or months, and we
call that one hundred day cough. Really really easy to catch.
So once it's in the community, it's very very transmissible
through coughing and sneezing, and one person with hooping cough
is quite likely to spread it to twelve o other people.

(01:10:07):
So very very infectious and a real concern, especially for
our babies less than one year of age.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Yeah, what are the signs?

Speaker 16 (01:10:15):
Yeah, look, it depends on your age. So look, the
basic rule of thumb is the younger the child, the
more at risk of becoming very unwell. But what we
see is it starts with a running nose and a
temperature and sneezing, so it's a lot of colder of
flu and that can last for one to two weeks.
But then this cough develops. Now, this cough is incredibly irritating.

(01:10:36):
You can get this bounce of coughing that can go
on for two to three minutes, with this gasping for
air in between coughs, and we call it a hoop
that the kids sort of gasp for air, and it's
very distinctive. Now, this cough can last for minutes and
it often ends in a small vomit at the end
of the cough because the child is so distressed. Now,
the older children get this hoop, but what's really really

(01:10:59):
important to note that in younger infants less than six
months of age, they don't get this typical hoop. They
can get these hoffing spasms. And what you can see
is a child goes a little blue or so I
know this because it can't quite breath. They're not able
to feed, which becomes a real difficult issue, and they
get very very tired or exhausted. So these young babies

(01:11:20):
may actually need to end up the hospital so they
can be fed and get oxygen supper in patients. So look,
I'm very very difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Now.

Speaker 16 (01:11:27):
The thing about hooping cough is takes up three months
to get better, so it goes for a long long time.
And what's why we call it the one hundred day cough.
It's got a particular name. So yeah, look, real concern
that we've got this epidemic in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
And so obviously it's children and partially immunized, iminized babies
and stuff that are most at risk.

Speaker 16 (01:11:51):
Right, yeah, look, look that's exactly right. So if you
haven't had your full immunizations less than the age of one,
and that they happen at six weeks, three months, and
five months, you're underprotected, so that the child is at risk.
But the big, big group we get really concerned about
is less than six weeks of age because those children

(01:12:12):
haven't got to the point of having their first immunization
and they are at one hundred percent risk of hooping
cough and it can be really really very very difficult
for our little Peppe or Timaruki in those situations.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
How do you treat it? Brian.

Speaker 16 (01:12:27):
Yeah, look, really good question. So a couple of things here. Look,
if you suspect it, we do a nasal swab to
try and diagnose it, and if it is diagnosed, we
can use antibiotics. Now, the earlier we use those in
the course of the disease, the better. It's an antibodic
called erythromas and it's a very specific antibiotic. Now, the

(01:12:49):
antibiodic may reduce the severity, but it won't necessarily clear
up the hooping cough. This is really important to understand.
So you can still have the cough, which can go
on for the one hundred days is called, but it
reduces the spread of the infection. That's what's really really
important about the antibiotics. Thing about the cough, and it's
very specific because once you get the cough, there is

(01:13:10):
no treatment. There is nothing we can give you which
will stop the cough. So that goes back to our
little babies that if they are having difficulty breathing or
feeding with the cough, we don't have a treatment, and
so that's why they probably may need to go to
hospital for oxygen treatment or to have what we call
nasy gastric tubes put in to feed them. So, yeah,

(01:13:31):
so the cough is not treatable and that's the real,
real key thing about it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
How do you prevent it? And when should you see
the doctor?

Speaker 16 (01:13:39):
Yeah, look, good questions. So look, I'll we blunt about it.
Immunization is the only protection. So immunizing your children it's
six weeks, three months, and five months for hooping cough
is the only thing that will stop hooping cough causing real,
real problems. Now for those babies less than six weeks,

(01:13:59):
we can't immunize because they're too young. So this is
really this is probably the key message if you are pregnant,
if you're a pregnant mum, then the way you protect
your baby who's less than six weeks of age is
getting an immunization or a hooping cough booster from sixteen
weeks onwards in your pregnancy. That will give the baby
protection and give them some sort of protection against hooping cough.

(01:14:21):
And at the moment, with hooping coughs sort of racing
around the country, that's a really really key important thing
to do. So if you're pregnant, please discuss it with
your midwife, Discuss it with your GP, discuss it with
your nurse about getting a hooping cough back nation at
sixteen weeks. Look partial umanized kids are at worsk. We

(01:14:43):
know that, but look a couple of basic things. If
your child is really coughing a lot, having difficulty breathing,
or looks on well, please see your doctor, but call
an ambulance. If your baby is coughing it goes blue,
or if you notice it stops breathing or anything like that,
make sure you call a hamlet's get to a hospital.
So yeah, look something we need to be very very

(01:15:06):
cognizant of and concerned about at this point.

Speaker 14 (01:15:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Absolutely, Hey Brian, we really appreciate your help as ever.
Brian Beatty there, it's eight two eleven on newstalk.

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Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Route, climb past our men in the garden route and
if your place is anything like mine, which I know
it isn't, you will be overrun with mealie bugs about
ninety percent of the year. I don't know what it is.
I don't know how we attract them, but once they're there,
they're so hard to get rid of.

Speaker 8 (01:15:34):
Because you don't see them when they start. Check that's
the point. They're tiny, and then they grow bigger in
there the eye. So these are my little white little
rottis that look quite gorgeous and beautifully attached to the
white filaments that they let let go everywhere, and so
on so forth. But they are sucking bugs. They suck

(01:15:55):
due out of your plants, and that's how you notice
that your plants are getting very debilitated after a while.
So for those of you that we don't know what
we're talking about or don't know what we're talking about,
it's white, mealy buggy type stuff. It's like a complete
white Okay. These guys have got all this white stuff
all over their body and also their tails and all that.

(01:16:18):
And that stuff is waterproof so that if you use
a water based insecticide, it just runs off there like
water off a Dutch back. So it's as simple as that.
So that's not the great way to go. If you
know that you have them and you can see them,
of course on nine naturalist and you can do whatever.
Mellibugs are quite common, as you said, the best way

(01:16:39):
to do is to use an oil based insecticide like
Conqueror oil, because they can't deal to that because it
suffocates them. They can't do that. But even better than
that is the name oil, which is another oil version.
There you go, and honestly, if you do that not

(01:17:00):
just once, but let's say every week or so, you'll
find you will get on touch on top of them.
And the reason is very simple. You do with every
now and then is because once they've got little eggs
going and little baby's going, they will follow up very quickly.
So you need to have another go a week or
two weeks later, again and again and again.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
So when I do it, because we've got kneem oil
for it as well. I think I've taken your advice
on that before. If you should be drenching the plant,
even in bits that you can't see, like you should
at the underside of the leaves and all that stuff
where it doesn't look like there are any Melli bags,
there will be Melli bagg eggs.

Speaker 8 (01:17:36):
I reckon you're probably one of the best listeners to
this show.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
A funny one of one of though not not necessarily
the best.

Speaker 8 (01:17:45):
That I think you're doing well.

Speaker 7 (01:17:48):
Jack.

Speaker 8 (01:17:49):
You're seeing what you come up with.

Speaker 13 (01:17:50):
I love it.

Speaker 8 (01:17:51):
Yeah, it feels really good.

Speaker 14 (01:17:52):
I figured out you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Finger in the ear and the three today and christ Church?
How's that we're feeling like we're going to have rain
it all today?

Speaker 8 (01:17:59):
I have no idea what the three is and what
christ Church is and what I'm going to take about tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Goodbye, Okay, very good. We'll be watching the black Caps then,
fair enough as they dake on England at Hagley Oval.
Game is set to restart in a couple of minutes time,
day three of the first Test between England and the
black Caps. I'll make sure I keep you up to
speak with how that's going after eleven o'clock this morning,
as well as that, we've got your travel segment for
this week, taking a trip through the y Tucky Valley.

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More.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Ay, good morning if you're just turning on the radio
the Saturday Now, I'm Jack Tame. My pleasure to be
with you through to midday today. Hey, we started the
show this morning by talking about Christmas cards, talking about
postcards talking about the lost art of handwriting and sending
personalized messages, and we've had so many texts and emails

(01:19:23):
all throughout the morning. So Kitty Ama has pointed out
that sending one hundred and twenty cards these days would
be incredibly expensive. Cheapest I can see is one hundred
is a dollar fifty a pop. So at best you'd
be up for one hundred and eighty dollars. That's presumably
if you're only sending letters close and they're very small,
But even a dollar fifty a pop, I think they
might be more expensive than that. Marie took me a

(01:19:43):
note to say, Jack, we used to send more than
one hundred cards every year up until about eight years ago.
Both me and my partner are from big families. We
live all over the world. I would have to start
writing in November and we would always receive as many. Yeah,
it can be a huge mission, but more than one
hundred cards does seem like I don't you know. I
was lamenting the loss of Christmas cards, But if you're
running more than one hundred, I'm not sure, Marie. Maybe

(01:20:05):
it's net positive. At the end of the day, before
before mid day today, we're going to listen to some
new music from Kiwi artist Asia. She has been around
performing in festivals and making some beautiful music over the
last few years, but she's just released her debut album.
The album is called car Wise. We're going to listen
to that as well as that, I'm going to tell
you about Jeremy Clarkson's latest book. It's called Diddley's Squat

(01:20:27):
and our book review has been taking a rid of
that this week. Timed one would think perfectly for the
Christmas season. Right now, it is eight minutes past eleven.
Team Doogle Sutherland is a clinical psychologist from Umbrella Wellbeing
and he's with us this morning to close out November.

Speaker 19 (01:20:43):
Calder Doogle Tuoro Jack, Nice to speak to you. Yes,
November almost sort of goes a little bit slipped under
the radar of recent years, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Yeah, Well are you are you a facial hair grower?
Do you do you endole well in November?

Speaker 19 (01:20:59):
Well, I haven't I have social hair anyway, So do
I choose to shave the other bits off and kick
the vod on the front eyes? That's kind of cheating.
So I didn't do it this year. I didn't outwardly
express my Movember.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
I just I'm I'm sort of I'm challenged on the
November front, and that I can grow an incredibly thick
neck beard, like very very my for whatever reason, Like
it's not really facial here, it's neck here, just loves
to I could grow. Honestly, I shaved last night and
already I've sort of got a thick neck beer growing.
But the actual facial here is sort of a different story.

(01:21:34):
For whatever reason, It's not it's not an even distribution.

Speaker 19 (01:21:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not painting a flattering picture, no.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
As well, this is exactly yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:21:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Anyway, you have had a special read this November that
you wanted to talk about this morning, and it is
a read from somewhere very close to us in the
Newstalks Edb Family, Matt Heath's book Are Life Less Punishing.

Speaker 7 (01:21:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:21:56):
Absolutely, Look, I was asked to sort of have a
look at the book for a podcast, actually podcast with
Francisca Rudgan of all people. Yeah, And to be honest,
I approached it with some trepidation because I was kind
of thinking, oh, this will be another kind of celebrity
type book with you know, fridge magnet quotes about you know,

(01:22:17):
just live life and be yourself wonderful, to be a
live kind of thing, which which there's nothing wrong with
their inspirational but they're probably not deeply helpful in the
mental health point of view. But I was incredibly impressed
and very positively surprised by Matt's book around, you know,
obviously particularly for men. You know, he's written and he's

(01:22:39):
about the same age as me, and you know, late forties,
early fifties, and I think really writes about men's emotional
and mental health in a really relatable way.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
Right, So run us through some of the some of
the points that interested you about the book, and then
maybe we can talk about the kind of takeaways that
you got from it. So what do you think the
kind of distinguished his book?

Speaker 19 (01:23:00):
Well, interestingly, and I interviewed him for for a webinar
that we held this week, and he talked about how
I said, you know, who was the book written for?
And he said, well, he really wrote it for himself.
But to do that, he just got the history of
world philosophy and started reading through it, which is slightly unconvinced.
I mean, he said it was a very big tone

(01:23:21):
and he wasn't sure actually once he started it where
he was going to get through it. I think what
he's done is he's really pulled out some sort of
historical gems that that people throughout history and philosophers throughout
history have used to guide their lives to a better place.
He draws a lot on the Stoics, who I think
we had this sort of perception of Stoics being very

(01:23:43):
unfeeling and very sort of staunch, and actually he unpacks
it really nicely about how that's not who they.

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
Were at all.

Speaker 19 (01:23:49):
They were very much about living in the moments and
accepting what you've got now rather than worrying and living
in the past. So that was really good. I mean,
I think what he does is he covers all The
book covers a whole range of emment and I think
particularly I was glad to see emotions that often trip

(01:24:11):
us up and that men struggle with, you know, anger, shame, guilt, sadness,
those ones that are pretty major players on the emotional landscape,
but that we don't we often don't really know what
to do with them. And I think it's just he
gives some really great self self reflective, really and non
flattering ways too, some self reflection insights around his struggles

(01:24:34):
with those and what he's done about it. So it's
a really nice read.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
I mean, he's kind of honest and really in a
way that you know when someone's running a memoile sometimes
they're perhaps a little bit inclined to polish some of
the sharper edges.

Speaker 19 (01:24:51):
Yeah, I didn't see a lot of polishing at all.
It's brutally honest about some of the mistakes he's made
and some of the losses that he's had through, you know,
a relationship breakup, you know, the death of his mum.
You know, so really major life events and just I
think making it really accessible for people and relatable because
you go, oh yeah, I've been through that too. So yeah,

(01:25:13):
it's really I think it's really powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Okay, So what were the kind of takeaways that you
think might be helpful for other guys to consider this November.

Speaker 19 (01:25:23):
Yeah, Look, he talks a lot about being aware that
sometimes we live in this kind of fantasy life, or
that we're always aiming for the next best thing. You know,
if I do this, then I'll be able to get that,
and Okay, if I get this, I'll be able to
trade up to that or this is the next rung
on the ladder and then I'll be able to climb
up for that or and he talks about giving away

(01:25:45):
that imagined life and accepting where you are, you know,
and he uses the term settling, which is from another
author I think books called four Thousand Weeks. But settling
and accepting what you have right now and paying attention
to what is around you and who is around you

(01:26:05):
right now. And I think that's a really great message.
It's we can often get tied up into the future
or maybe living in the past, but he talks a
lot about just being aware and accepting what's.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Happening right now.

Speaker 19 (01:26:18):
Talks a lot about making choices about emotions that often
we think it's their inevitable or uncontrollable, and whilst they're
impacted by the past and relate to what's happened to
us in the past, we do have an element of
being able to control them and mastering those and is
really helpful. The last thing, the other thing I really

(01:26:39):
like is that he talks about getting himself an imaginary
coach or guide, and he uses Willy Uppy Arthur as
who's not the maginary person obviously, but as it has
his imaginary guide, somebody that's sort of setting challenges for
him through life, but is also there to support him
to take on those challenges. And I think that's a

(01:27:00):
really nice idea about having somebody that you feels in
your corner and cheering you on.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Yeah, that sounds great. So who would you recommend us for?
Who do you think is gon to get the most
out of the story right out.

Speaker 6 (01:27:13):
Of the book?

Speaker 19 (01:27:13):
Yeah, Look, certainly, I think guys over the age of
you know, forty, approaching that middle life, I think you'd
find it really relatable. I'd also recommend it to guys
that are under the age of forty because you might
actually pick up some life hacks that you know that
you can benefit from from his wisdom and experience. Yeah,

(01:27:34):
And thirdly, i'd recommend it to any woman who has
a guy in her life, a partner or a close
friend actually to give give them a sense of what
kind of being a guy is like sometimes what it's
like on the inside. So I guess I'm recommending it
to humans over the age of about sixteen, really, but.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
You know, for different reasons that, Yeah, that would be
very easy to hear that, I'm sure. Yeah, no, it
does sound great, and that's a yeah, really considered reviewer
and in your analysis of what makes this book so unique,
So thank you, Dogle, We really appreciate it. Google Sutherland
there from Umbrella Wellbeing and the book is of course
a life less punishing by our very own Matt Heath,

(01:28:18):
and we'll make sure all of the details for that
are on the news talks He'd be website sixteen past eleven.
We're traveling next.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Traveled with Wendy wo Tours, unique fully inclusive tours around
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Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
And travel Corresponding. Mike Yardley is with us this morning.

Speaker 21 (01:28:33):
Kelder child, Jack kiss, what's just arrived at my place?

Speaker 19 (01:28:37):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Oh, I know it's going to be like a like
a sixty foot high inflatable center or no, okay, let
me see like a like a life size sleigh and
reindeer scene.

Speaker 21 (01:28:54):
That's what I've been after. But no, I've got a
Christmas card. Shall I open it?

Speaker 22 (01:28:58):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Well, yeah, I'd be surprised if it were for me.

Speaker 21 (01:29:03):
Let me read it. Okay, Hey, Mike, chats with me
every Saturday are so tiresome. They absolutely suck. At least
at least the holiday season. We'll give us all a
break from your gallivanting. Merry Christmas.

Speaker 19 (01:29:19):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Look, that sounds accurate in one scense, but another, I'm
fairly confident it's not what I wrote in your card
this year.

Speaker 21 (01:29:28):
Maybe someone's an impost and pretended to send me one
from you. See.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
I feel like you, of anyone on the show, would
would still be sending and receiving more postcards, more Christmas cards?
Do you still? You don't send them?

Speaker 21 (01:29:43):
I only send one to you, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 7 (01:29:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:29:46):
The bulk of my ones are the e greetings and
messages and.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Just not legreeting. You don't nothing, you don't want anything,
as far as I When I come to that now,
I noted that I can't hear a cheering crowd on
the embankment at Hagley Oval behind you. That could be
because the crowd isn't cheer at the moment. England looking
not at all comfortable for the time being three forty
for five.

Speaker 21 (01:30:10):
But yeah, your on the opening day. I loved it
for just such a great setup there and it's just
so chilled. It feels like a big mass picnic.

Speaker 6 (01:30:19):
Yeah, click back, it's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
I mean that's it is just so good to see,
especially because you have the grass embankment that makes it
so difference. You know, when it comes to test cricket,
there is nothing quite like just sitting on the bank
in the sun watching the leather on willow. You know,
it's it's wonderful. Okay, So anyway, the English are still
looking pretty strong there for the time being. They've put
on a few runs this morning. They're very nearly at

(01:30:43):
the black Caps first and things total currently only five down.
Of course, Ben Stokes forty one not out, Harry Brook
one hundred and forty seven not out, gulp out. So
we will watch that today. Anyway, We're taking a summer
road trip through the y Tucky Valley this morning, one
hundred kilometers in length. Where would be a good starting point.

Speaker 21 (01:31:00):
Yeah, well, it is a summer road trip season, and
I think this is a really good option because it's
a less traffic jaunt over summer. So once you get
to the Waitucki River, get over the bridge, turn off
State Highway one onto State Highway eighty three and head
for dun Troon, which is such a distinctively rustic, raffish

(01:31:23):
sort of village. I love Duntroon's great name as well
as an are Scottish name. The thing about Duntroon Jack
is twenty five million years ago, it was under the ocean.
It was pretty much the ocean floor what you see
today around the Duntroon landscape, and obviously seismic forces thrust
that all upwards over time. But the dun Trone area

(01:31:47):
is also home to the Veniced World Center, so this
is a really good place to start to give you
the bare bones backstory on all of that prehistoric geological
wealth that is bestowed on the region today. In the center,
they've got so many fossils, so many fossilized discoveries that
a lot of farmers in the White Techi district basically

(01:32:11):
dug up from the limestone on the land so you
can see like old dolphin skulls, whalebones, penguin bones. So
it's a really good scene set in a bit of
a trophy room more than one at the vanished World Center.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Yeah, nice and done. Truone is the best launchpad into
the geopark.

Speaker 21 (01:32:30):
Oh yes, the Wye Tacky White Stone Geopark, which is
Australasia's first and only UNSCO geopark. So once you've got
to grips with the geological backstory at the center. You
can just hurl yourself at the region and they've got
a really good self drive touring route which they call
the Banished World Trail. So this will take you through

(01:32:52):
all sorts of landforms. It will take you to places
where there are lots of fossil fines, lots of rich
cultural history of the White Tucky. And there are forty
designated sites all across the geopark that you can wander
around as you wish.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Nice. Okay, that sounds fantastic. So what would be some
of the essential sites?

Speaker 21 (01:33:15):
Well, I reckon. My favorite is actually right on the
highway Takurroa, which is the rock art site very close
to Duntruen, and this is where early Maldi traveling through
the valley would shelter in those limestone overhangs and you
can see all of the etchings of animals of early
European contacts. There's even like sailing ships etched into the

(01:33:37):
limestone rock in that cliff face. I just love it.
From their head to elephant rocks. Obviously, people think of
the Nannia film trilogy because this is the region where
a lot of it was shot Elephant rocks, very well named,
wonderfully whimsical, all sorts of limestone rocks that have been
sculpted by nature's forces. It's a very strange elephant shaped

(01:33:57):
out crops. And then also nearby elephant rocks another site, unatteeny.
The really cool thing about unatteeny is you can see
the fossilized bones of a whale exposed in the limestone
and they reckon this whale. It was a baling whale.
It would be similar to a minky whale today, similar

(01:34:19):
sort of whale.

Speaker 15 (01:34:20):
But yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:34:20):
Auneteeny also served as a film site that was as
Land's Camp in the Nannia film trilogy, and the wider
area around Unatteny Jack is known as the Valley of
the Whales by the locals because of the sheer abundance
of fossilized marine life that that limestone throws up. Another
rockstar spectacle earthquakes. I love that name, and it does

(01:34:43):
look like an earthquake hit the area when you arrived.
There are these monstrous slabs of limestone that have splinted
off the hillside and it all happened when the land
slumps thousands of years ago. But yeah, a really confronting site.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
Nice. So the westernmost attraction are the Clay Cliffs at
or Marta.

Speaker 21 (01:35:01):
Yet right, Yes, very well known and if you haven't
been there, you've got to go in just a and
counter the glory of nature at Clay Cliff. So it's
about forty five minutes west of Duntron, deep into the
valley and it's like a little boost of Utah at
the western end of the Wayertucky Valley. Very serrated and
it's got a little slot canyon that you can shimmy

(01:35:23):
through as well. But that cliff face, it is like
a grand collection of gigantic organ pipes, tall fluted exploding
from the eroded cliff face. It is just so dramatic.
So that's a do not miss nice.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
So for a change of scenery, what about the Lakes District.

Speaker 21 (01:35:40):
Yeah, if you're tracking back from Omadama, definitely check out
the Hydro Lakes District, which is literally a powerhouse for
the nation. I love Lake Benmore and it's probably for
a couple of reasons. It's New Zealand's largest artificial lake.
It holds roughly one and a half times the water
of Wellington Harbor, so it is a vision of vivid

(01:36:03):
blue because of all of that glacial rock salt in
the water. And then you've got these fantastic trails around
Lake Benmore. I reckon the best is the ben Moore
Peninsula Track, so it's about a ninety minute loop, so
you can sort of double it with a picnic. You
get greeny views down to the lake and then you've
got mighty Alaki shimmering in the distance.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
Now, for all Richie McCaw fans, of course, that's part
of the country. There's synonymous with Korah. But there are
some local wineries to try to.

Speaker 21 (01:36:34):
Yes, not far from ben Moore. Definitely call into Kuau
for some walloons refreshments, and I would suggest check out
the local wine because the White Taki Valley is now
home to about a dozen very boutiquy wine producers.

Speaker 6 (01:36:47):
A great option is River.

Speaker 21 (01:36:49):
T Cellar Door in Kouau because not only do they
showcase their own wine, but also some fellow producers at
the Cellar door really good Pino, pino, gree and reasling,
so it's Burgundy style wines check that are doing really
well in the White Tachytastic.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Hey, I've got some bad news. You don't want to
believe this. The black Caps have just dropped Harry Brook again.
Oh oh yeah, so it's Glenn Phillips who's now taken
the catch of the year and dropped two relative sitters.
That's I think the seventh drop catch in listening, So
Harry brings on one hundred and forty seven not out.

Speaker 21 (01:37:28):
Oh you could be slipping away, Jack, I feel like
it might be.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
It feels like the Criocket and gods are not shining
upon us at the moment. But never hey, they certainly
shining upon the White Tacky Valley though. That sounds fantastic.
So we're going to put all of your advice for
road tripping through that gorgeous part of the world up
on the news Talks. He'd be website. We'll catch up
with Alit Smith. He's taking us through weekend sport this afternoon.
In a couple of minutes. Right now, it's twenty eight past.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Eleven, Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
team on news talks. Heb News Dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
They'd be with Jack Tame for another half an hour
or so. Then Elliott Smith will be taking the reins
this afternoon for a weekend sport and he is watching
the cricket at Hagley Oval and feeling just about as
grumpy as I am right now.

Speaker 23 (01:38:24):
I'm trying to watch it through gritted teeth and you know,
through eyes and just trying to figure out what's going
with this fielding.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
It's the thing about fielding. It was the one thing
we've always been good at relative to other teams, right
because other teams have had kind of prodigious talents and
all of this, and you know, they've had, you know,
a billion people from which to select the team. We've
only had a tiny fraction of that. But we've always
thought it doesn't matter if we don't necessarily have the talent,
because we'll practice hard. And what does no one like
doing when they're practicing. They don't like practicing fielding. But

(01:38:54):
we thought we'd do that. Well, it's always paid off,
and this is seven seven catches now it's.

Speaker 23 (01:38:59):
Even drop catches five. A loan for Harry Brook who's
one hundred and forty eight now not out.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
I mean it would be embarrassing if he had got
one hundred and forty eight night out having been.

Speaker 23 (01:39:08):
That's right, he's been given an ample opportunity and the
Black Caps just can't seem to hold onto a catch
for love nor money. And you're right, this used to
be a real strength of the team where they didn't
have a lot else going for them necessarily at points,
and the last fifteen twenty years they would get by
on their fielding and it would be a real asset,
real weapon in some ways for them that they would
field harder than every other team in the world and

(01:39:30):
take those opportunities.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
So it's hard to know if it's kind of this
is symptomatic of something greater, or if it's just a
really just a bad luck bad luck.

Speaker 19 (01:39:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 23 (01:39:40):
I mean, there's been a few moments over the last
couple of years that's not as sharp as it used
to be.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
The field Atlana series.

Speaker 23 (01:39:46):
Yeah, but when you lose. We dropped six in a
day and they've just dropped one, as I said this
morning early on, when you're trying to break a partnership
like this and prevent England from building a lead, not good.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Yeah, they are now officially leading, by the way, so
they've taken the second ball, second new ball, but England
currently have a lead of two runs five wits still
in hand at Hagley Oval anyway, I'll keep you auple
to speed with that. Liam Lawson. Yes weekend, pretty good
start to the weekend coming off the back of Las Vegas.
That didn't really go his way and.

Speaker 23 (01:40:15):
Fire for him, did it, But promising signs there for
Cutter and the sprint race and the race proper. And
I guess, all eyes, we still don't have a confirmed
picture of exactly how twenty twenty five looks for them.
Is a few ideas out there around it, around it
how it might look. But I guess every race he does,
every qualifying session, sets him up better for next year
and makes them harder to be booted out of that

(01:40:37):
seat in the car, I suppose. And it's just great
having a Kiwi in the top race and forms one.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
It's so good. I just I've become obsessed with the
logistics of the whole thing, and that's a ridiculous thing
to fuss over. But I was thinking, I mean, first
of all, incredible pressure, right, So you're driving these cars
at three hundred ks an hour basically, and you know,
trying to stay safe, but not only that, you like
you have to race one weekend in Las Vegas and
then the next weekend you're racing and cutter, I mean

(01:41:05):
the time difference alone exactly to be to be dealing
with that, just if you weren't driving a cart three
hundred kilometers an hour, just to be driving a caring.

Speaker 23 (01:41:15):
And I know they're doing it and it covers. But
even still, to go from Vegas to Doha or cut
her and two you couldn't get two more extreme sort
of places and their approaches to the world really, and
then you go out there and try and scorch the track.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
It's great to me.

Speaker 23 (01:41:30):
I know it's been in Europe for the last four
or five weeks and seeing those races in primetime over
there on Sunday afternoons. You know, they capture so we
get a picture of it here obviously, but we get
a sense really of how big F one is on
the world stage when you're in that climbate and watching
them that time zone, knowing you know, this is a
Kiwi on the world stage competing and right up there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
Yeah yeah, and doing so well. Auckland f C playing
this evening in Auckland, yea where it's not flash is
it not great in Auckland?

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
But that's all right?

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
That might that might be an asset for them going
into what could be a pretty tough game, but they're
looking to extend this incredible winning stress.

Speaker 23 (01:42:02):
Remarkable, isn't it? Four games, four wins. Fifth game this
afternoon against Newcastle. Max Matter is going to join us
so one of the New Zealand based players or New
Zealand all white players in the Auckland f C squad
to talk about this remarkable run to start the season.
Big Derby game coming up next week, of course, but
they bank another three points against Newcastle, They're going to
continue being top and just their confidence begins to grow.

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It's crazy how this team has just managed to build,
not only on the field but off the field as well.
They've got a new coffee shop that's opened up on
College Hill as well. They don't know, yeah, they just
opened up of the last week.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
We'll very good. I'll be there this evening of course,
there you go and wearing your blue and black colors.
Been there every game so far. Yeah, yeah done, my
bet st Port, you're doing the chance. I'm not on
the poor and I appreciate the port. But when you
take a seven year old along you said to think, yeah, yeah,
so what I was on the show the baseball four

(01:42:57):
black Caps player and coach is going to join us
to talk about some of the drop seas and also
how the test is play st affter midday. I wonder
how quickly they can turn it round. I mean, surely
it's just like a psychology thing. Maybe you know, you
just have an afternoon of catch and practice and the
h Pencelin the diary somehow something like that. Yes, very good,
looking forward to it, sir. Thank you. Elliot Smith with
us for a weekend sport. Right after the twelve o'clock

(01:43:18):
news on Newstalks, he'd be before midday we got that
new music from Keywi artist Asia, and next up I'm
going to tell you about Jeremy Clarkson's brand new book.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Day and bepewured on cot Z
for high Quality Supplements, News talksb.

Speaker 3 (01:43:37):
Twenty twelve on News Talks. He'd be Katherine Rains, our
book reviewers. Here is she is every Saturday morning with
her picks for the weekend. Hey Catherine, good morning Jack. Okay,
let's start off with the Cat who Cracked a Cold
Case by LT Shearer.

Speaker 22 (01:43:51):
So this is a little bit bizarre maybe, and you do,
of course have to suspend a lot of reality for this.
But it follows Lulu Lewis, who's a retired police detective
and life takes a very unforgettable turn for her when Conrad,
who's a very special talking catch, turns up into her
life and he introduces himself to her, and so, for
fairly obvious reasons, this ability remains a very closely guarded

(01:44:13):
secret and they enjoy their lives together. They live on
a canal boat called the Lark, and it's this very
easy companionship, but Lulu has this very keen investigative eye,
and you follow Conrad the cat's very witty feline quips.
And in their latest escapage, there's several mysteries rolled up
into one, and so a serial killer from Lulu's past
who's murdered again, but this time in Manchester, away from
her home in London, and a theft of some very

(01:44:35):
expensive figurines stolen from a fellow canal boat owner who's
completely heartbroken about this as they had been given to
her by her late husband. And there's this very mysterious
suitor who is pursuing Lulu's widowed friend Jane, and so
Lulu and Conrad helped to solve all of these three
places along with the local police, and she discusses clues
with the cat and he's kind of really almost like

(01:44:57):
her alter ogo ego sorry, as she's solving them. And yeah,
I don't I'm not really a fan of talking books
and animals, but somehow talking animals and but somehow this
really works together, and you get this very well constructed
plot and all this strands come together and the observations
make a really enjoyable story. And it's terms what's called
in the books terms what is called now cozy crime,

(01:45:19):
but it has that engaging plot and Conrad really is
the star of the book. And it's funny and entertaining
with crime thrown in there for good mix.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
Yeah, okay, cool. So that's The Cat who Cracked a
Cold Case by Lt. Shearer. At the very least, it's
the title. It's fun to say, isn't it. Next up,
tell Us about Diddley Squat Home to Roost by Jeremy Clarkson.

Speaker 22 (01:45:41):
So this is a collection of Jeremy Clarkson's columns from
the UK Sunday Times, but actually most new Zealanders would
recognize the stories from his Amazon Prime TV series, and
he focuses a little bit on this, on that whole
suffocation of the rural kind of spirit and planning departments
and national park authorities and environmentalists. But beneath all the

(01:46:02):
kind of funny moments and the banter you have his
and it's clear that he cares deeply about the country side.
And you know, he does point out that if he
wasn't backed by Amazon's millions, he would, like many farmers
in the UK and around the world, be close to
the end of his wits, really, you know, waif of
thin profit margins and endless regulation. And he also talks

(01:46:25):
quite a bit actually about the mental health problem and
farming and actually he doesn't really talk about this in
the book, but he's done very good work and highlighting it.
But actually he also funds a charitable helpline for farmers
in need of support, so he kind of puts his
money where his mouth is. But the book's funny. You know.
He talks about his right hand man, Caleb Cooper, who's
the farm manager, and his girlfriend Lisa, and he has

(01:46:46):
his accountant Charlie, and Gerald, his termed head of security
with his very thick accent, and you know, you get
the uncoperative weather in the realities of the agricultural economy,
and the local planning department, which of course has been
the bane of his life through many seasons, and the
farm shop which is doing a completely rawing trade and
people queue for hours to buy all sorts of things.

(01:47:10):
But back on the farm, it's this kind of season
of disaster almost and you know this year they focus
on chickens and mushrooms and oats, and of course not
everything goes to plan or even close to a plan. Yeah,
but yeah, as I said, what's very evident is how
much he and his partner Lisa care very much about
the farm and its success, but also the success of
the people around them and the farmers around them, and

(01:47:30):
they always want to very much engage with the people
who are close to them and help support them as well.
And yeah, great stories and very funny and told with
that wit and humor that Jeremy Clarkson is well known for.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
So how funny is it.

Speaker 22 (01:47:44):
He talks, because he talks very well with the banter
that he's so good at. So he's funny but informative.
Is probably the best way of you know, he doesn't
get really dry and into the detail, but he kind
of has a message and gets his point across about
red tape and planning and how difficult that makes it,
but told in his kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:48:02):
Style, typical Clark's and esque style.

Speaker 22 (01:48:05):
Yeah, yeah, it kind of almost makes it lighthearted, but
there's a very serious message and along with.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
What is yeah as well, Yeah a very good that's
the show.

Speaker 10 (01:48:13):
As the show puts across, you're a fan of the show,
he does it very well in that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
Yeah it's yeah, yeah, very good. Nice. Okay. That's Diddley
Squat Home to Roost by Jeremy Clarkson and Catherine's first book,
The Ones, but different is The Cat Who Cracked Cold
Case by Lt Shearer. Both of those, of course, and
all of the details up on the news talks, he'd
be website and a couple of minutes, we've got new
music from you can we artist Asia and her debut
album Kawai.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
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Us Saturday Mornings.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
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News talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
Say anything any women, Let's shoot up a fun las.

(01:49:13):
The song is called quiet Storm. It's by key We
artist Asia. She's won all sorts of awards and has
played all sorts of festivals over the last couple of years,
but this is her debut album. The album's called car
Why and the Stell Clifford our Music Review has been
listening more than Kilda.

Speaker 10 (01:49:32):
Doesn't she have a stellar, beautiful voice?

Speaker 19 (01:49:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
Amazing that voice, Yeah, gorgeous.

Speaker 6 (01:49:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:49:39):
Just pure escapism, I think is what this album is.

Speaker 13 (01:49:42):
And it always astounds me that we have so many
artists in this country who have voices like that, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
Talent like that.

Speaker 10 (01:49:49):
They've done backing vocals for this, they've featured with us
artist and then, you know, however, many.

Speaker 13 (01:49:54):
Years or decades into their career, we get their debut
album totally totally, you know, And I think that what
that says to me about this album is it's been
thought through very well. It's not a want to get
an album in the can and deliver you something. It's
like I want to put.

Speaker 10 (01:50:11):
My heart and soul into Yeah, it really is quiet Storm.

Speaker 13 (01:50:15):
I mean, you know, such as life, but I think
this is a real fusion of sounds it's a real
great showcase of.

Speaker 10 (01:50:23):
Blended cultures and influences in life like many of us.

Speaker 13 (01:50:27):
She's tell Marty and she's tell Pakiha and so to
blend that in your subject matter but also in how
you approach music, it's really quite a beautiful thing to
come together.

Speaker 10 (01:50:38):
So I love that she has this bilingual album, but
it's not just the language, you.

Speaker 13 (01:50:43):
Know, it's the experiences and how you view the world
through those different parts of your famo, right, yeah, yeah,
And she does that beautiful spoken word thing that that
song where Quiet Storm is a collaboration with Paornikki mc
ma so it has that kind of groovy soul funk
DJ kind of thing about it, and she has a

(01:51:04):
big spoken word intro, which again I think elaborates on
that escapism when you fall into somebody's voice and then
into that beautiful singing.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
That she does.

Speaker 13 (01:51:14):
I think there's some really cute little bits some tracks
that are like thirty seconds to a minute, and they're
actually snippets of her children tumbad a key, you know,
and they're like they're doing some talking around the kitchen
table or wherever it is that this album is the
last bits of productionist sort of coming together and everyday
home conversations that have become part.

Speaker 10 (01:51:34):
Of the tapestry of the album.

Speaker 13 (01:51:37):
And again that's what it's about, right, It's about lineage
and life and home and every experience that you can have.

Speaker 10 (01:51:46):
So I think that's got a really emotionive bass.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
It's really it's got kind of an ethereal it's going
to kind of ethereal vibe.

Speaker 13 (01:51:53):
From what I've had absolutely, and I think that's a
bit for me that says that it's there to escapism.

Speaker 10 (01:51:58):
You can go with that kind of you. There's like
that hum in the etheral kind of music.

Speaker 13 (01:52:03):
Yep, it's like a surging it's kind of always are
undertone of many of the songs, and so yeah, I
think that's that ether all kind of thing, and her
voice can sit really a top of that. There's that
indigenous sometimes kind of sound to the music, soul, there's
a bit of electro pop, and then soundscapes that come
in behind the music, and then of course you've got

(01:52:24):
all the actual lyrics, which is storytelling and relationships and
all that beautiful stuff that you know. I think our
New Zealand artists are actually really amazing at delivering Oh yeah,
and the process of making this music, you know, like
some of these songs have actually she's actually some of
the songs on the album have been out for a
few years. But then to make them into this cohesive

(01:52:46):
body of work I think is a really beautiful thing.

Speaker 10 (01:52:49):
And I love this here I grabbed this off her Instagram.

Speaker 13 (01:52:51):
She said it was about creating memories, sharing stories, opening
the door to our life with Fano at the center
of it all. And what a time of year to
remind ourselves that is what we are about. And yeah,
just put this on and enjoy it. Maybe it's later
in the day and you've got a nice glass of
wine with you, or maybe it is while you're setting

(01:53:12):
up the Christmas tree or whatever you're getting onto in
the weekend. A little sideline, you know, to have this, Yeah,
just sort of beautifully in the in the background or
maybe in the forefront of your day. I think that's
what this album can do for you. I think it
can be there in the background, or you can embrace
it fullyverge yourself into that bilingual language, do you know.
I also think with these albums, you don't necessarily have

(01:53:34):
to be able to spect it on Marty. There will
be elements of it that you will capture and embrace
for yourself, whether you fully understand all the words, and
maybe it'll make you delve into finding out the meaning
behind some of those words.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
Yes, yeah, absolutely, Okay, sounds great, sounds really good. So
what did you give?

Speaker 10 (01:53:50):
I'm just going to go straight out there with the
queene and say, let's give it a ten.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
Very good, Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:53:57):
I really respect what she has put together on this album.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
Nice Okay. Well, I'm looking forward to having a bit
more of a listen in a couple of minutes. We
will catch you again next week. Sell Hastelle Covid is
a music reviewer ten out of ten for Kawai by Asia.
We'll pick a good track to play you to close
out the show.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
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Speaker 3 (01:54:24):
Things are looking up a little bit for the black Caps.
They've taken a wicket finally. Harry Brook has been dismissed
for one hundred and seventy one in christ Church after
being dropped five times for the black Caps over the
last day or so so England currently three hundred and
eighty one for six. They've got a first things lead

(01:54:45):
over the black Caps. Four wicket's still in hand. That's
us for another Saturday morning together on new talks. But
thank you very much for your company and all of
your communications. So you know I'm actually going to be
away next Saturday morning. That is because I'm going to
an anti natal class. Very exciting. I don't know if
they still do the empathy belly fingers crossed experience now

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I'm really looking forward to it. So Francisca Rudkin is
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Elliott Smith will be here in a few minutes. For now, though,
we are going to leave you with Asia. Her new
album worth ten out of ten is car Why. According

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