Full Show Podcast: 31 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
I woke up with a rumbling feeling in my chest.
I thought this morning. I didn't think we were on
a flight path, but that's what it felt like. It
felt like a seven three seven was dipping low below
our house making its way into land. That was not
the case, though, No, no, no, it was thunder and
this really weird kind of sustained thunder across the Auckland

(01:09):
region this morning, so not just like a quick but
like a so he could really feel it in your bones. Yes,
spring is about to spring, except as not, of course.
I know a lot of people get really excited at
the start of September. They say spring is here. Spring
is not here. Spring is not here until the twenty
third of September. But I'm going to pitch you something

(01:29):
this morning. I'm going to pitch you that we we
invent a bit of creative rounding when it comes to
the seasons, because there is certainly plenty of blossom around
the place at the moment, and the tropical weather in
the northern parts of the country, the thunderstorms and the
lights certainly give us that springtime feeling. So here's my pitch.
When it comes to spring, we round ford. So at

(01:52):
the start of spring, instead of pretending it's the twenty third,
which it obviously is, we say, yeah, spring starts at
the start of September. But when it comes to winter,
we take the later date. Do you get what I'm saying.
So we take the earlier date for spring, and then
when it starts to get colder, we can aside whether
it's automore winter. I'm flexible on that. But when it
comes to the call of months, we take the later date.
I think that's a simple solution, isn't it. So tomorrow

(02:14):
isn't technically spring, We're going to call it spring. That's fine.
Tomorrow is, however, Father's Day, and before ten o'clock on
New STIXIDB, we have this really incredible, delicious sounding recipe
so that you can treat your dad tomorrow morning if
you haven't headed to the stores and bought them anything,
or you just want to give them a bit of
a more personal treat as well. As that our feature
interview this morning. Cannot wait for this longtime friend of

(02:37):
the show, legendary New Zealand athlete Sophie Pasco is going
to be with us in studio, so that is really exciting.
Right now, it's nine minutes past nine.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Jack Team.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
So I've got this photo right from the night of
the US election in twenty sixteen. The US election eight
years ago. It was a graffiti stencil taken right outside
where Hillary Clinton hoped she would be having a celebration
party in a few hours time. It was right on
the Hudson River in New York City. Hillary Clinton was

(03:08):
the favorite to win the election. Of course that wasn't
the case. But there was a bit of paint on
the sidewalk where all the delegates and supporters and media
were walking in to see the celebration party that wasn't
to be, with Clinton's silhouette and a simple phrase underneath
right the stencil said, I'm with her. I'm not going

(03:31):
to apologize, but two months ago, I am all in
on the US election. I'm all into it. Every morning
I wake up and I read every single story. I
inject all of those developments straight into my veins. But
I was reminded of that Hillary Clinton stencil I'm with
her as I watched Kamala Harris's first and only TV

(03:51):
interview so far as the Democrats nominee. So the interview
was on CNN, and honestly, it was fine, right, There's
nothing too exciting, nothing too scandalous. I don't think it
will have moved the dial for that election in any
major way. But perhaps yep was the most telling bit
from a strategic sense. At the very least was Karmala
Harris's response when she was asked about Donald Trump questioning

(04:16):
her black identity. Harris paused and said, just a few words,
same old tired playbook, next question, please.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
That was it.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
She was served up a prime opportunity to talk at
length about her identity, and a different candidate might have
talked about America's history of racial oppression. She might have
recalled other occasions when people sought to undermine her through
the prism of race. She might have talked about misogyny

(04:48):
and the barriers she's had to overcome as an ambitious woman.
But not none of that, zilch nothing, not a word
on identity, Next question, please, I just reckon as a candidate,
Krmala Harris has heaps of flaws, right, plenty of flaws.
For now, she's just getting by on vibes other than specifics,
and honestly, from the Democrats' perspective, I don't think that matters.

(05:12):
It doesn't matter one bit. She's certainly proving popular than Biden.
And Donald Trump is such a polarizing figure. People love
him or hate him. No one's kind of in the middle,
you know what I mean. No One just feels kind
of ambivalent about Donald Trump. No one's six out of
ten on Donald Trump. It just means that any election
in which he is a candidate is not really going
to be an election that focuses on policy. It just

(05:34):
focuses on Trump, right, And I think that in Kamala
Harris's vibe zy campaign, one thing she is just doing
extremely well is not talking about identity. If she wins,
she would be the first woman president, she would be
the first black woman president, she'd be the first South Asian.
All of these things are historic and arguably significant, but

(05:57):
they're also self evident, and I just I think it's
really notable that she and her supporters and other high
profile Democrats aren't talking about them. And you look at
that interview, you look at that question, you look at
that opportunity to talk about identity, and I thought it
was incredible how she immediately shut it down. And I
just contrast that with Hillary Clinton eight years ago, when

(06:21):
so much of the campaign centered on the possibility of
her becoming America's first woman president. Krmala Harris has chosen
a different message. Instead of I'm with her, she's chosen
I'm not him.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Jack Team ninety two.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Ninety two is the text number. You can email me
as well if you like Jacket Newstalks, heb dot Co,
Dottings and we are of course going to be broadcasting
from the US election and the run up to November,
which is just it's going to be an experience, to
say the very least. Before ten o'clock this morning, our
film revealed with her thoughts on that amazing New New
Zealand film, We Were Dangerous. Next up, Kevin Merlin will

(07:01):
get us underway. It's fourteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame.
It's Saturday morning and this is news talk.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Zi's no better way to kick off your weekend than
with Jack. Saturday Mornings with jacktam and Beepure dot co
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Speaker 2 (07:18):
Be Thank you for your feedback. Deans flip me a
note to say Jack, good thinking. I have been season
rounding for some decades now. So spring and summer start
on the first of September and the first of December,
Autumn on the autumnal equinox, and winter the solstice. Maximize
what you like, Minimize what you don't like. I like that, Dean,
although you know I don't want to slag off the
colder months too much. I just one of the thing

(07:41):
I like to. I like to experience all seasons, you know.
I think it makes you value you know, who would
want to live in Los Angeles, you know, certainly not me,
I like to. I think you value the warmer weather
when you have a bit of cold weather and a
bit of rain in your life sometimes as well. Ninety
two ninety two. If you want to flick us a text,
otherwise you can email me like Dean did. Jack at
Newstalks dB dot co dot Nz. Kevin Milne, is it

(08:02):
with us this morning?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Keilder Kevin Jo Jack.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
I love the rain. I love it and it's good
isn't it. You know, when rain comes down, it's going
to be doing, by and large, a hell of a
lot of good.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
It's going to help our gardens, it's going to provide
water for drinking, all these sorts of things. What I
don't like is wind.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Oh yeah, cool, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
I mean I know it disperses seeds and that sort
of stuff. What the hell does it do?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, I mean in the ground
or something. It probably dries things out a little bit
as well, doesn't it. I'm sure it dries things out.
I mean yeah, I don't know. I don't know me.
You guys have just got to You've got a fancy
new dryer system. It's good for the washing sometimes, Kevin, Yeah,
I don't mind a bit of wind that like. I

(08:54):
like to feel a kind of extremes from sometimes. You know,
it's a big, really gusty wind. Doesn't doesn't bother me
too much. But yeah, I'm with you. I'm a fan
of the rain as well, and I'm a fan of
rounding the seasons to suit us. But Kevin, you even
think of something else is where you have been impressed
by a swimming star, although not for swimming.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
Yeah, we've seen some heroics from our two top sports
people recently Lydia Go and LEEDSA Garrington. But there's a
third that I'm astounded by. And who is she? Dame
Sophie Pasco And I'm not talking about her swimming but
her television presenting along with Scottish Stevenson. She's fronting the
TV coverage of the Paris Olympics. A lot of you

(09:33):
will know that. And how good is she? I'm assuming
she's done little to no live presenting before, but she's
just sat down in the studio and nailed it. Scotty
would be a great guy to work alongside, of course,
encouraging and positive, but you'd swear she had been selected
from a bunch of presenters who had been doing the

(09:54):
job all their lives. What do you a have you
seen the jack?

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Is she doing an exceptional job. I think for someone
who's a step down. I mean she's done a few
interviews over the years, to say the least, but to
step in and actually presenting is a different story. I
think she's amazing.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
Yes she is. And I'm going to say I've got
a bit of a sprite this morning, but I found
that you were actually interviewing. I think I better just
check what I'm going to be saying about here. But no,
it can only be positive and it's fantastic. Really. In fact,
I wondered whether I shouldn't talk about something else entirely

(10:30):
because it sounds what I'm about to say. It sounds
like I'm just promoting the latter part of your show,
audient or the next.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Don't be afraid of that.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Well, the thing about going out to the country live
as she's doing is keeping your nerves and check, and
very few presenters can nail that straight away. I mean,
Sophie Pasco has not even done an apprenticeship as a
non live presenter. She's been a swimmer. My first experience
presenting live to the nation was reading the lunchtime news.

(11:03):
It frightens the hell out of you, especially if you
think of how many people are watching. I'm so nervous
that the head of presentation called the head of news
and demanded I'd be taken off air. Luckily, the head
of news pleaded that I had the potential and to
give me another chance. But really it wasn't until I
did fairgo live for a few years that I've got

(11:26):
in control of the nerves. So I'd be interesting to
see how people like Lydia Coe or Lisa Carrington performed
as TV presenters. Would their ability to control their nerves
get them through Probably?

Speaker 6 (11:40):
All this isn't good.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
For us professional presenters, Jack, who spent years creating a
mistique about the business that it's a real skill. Now
we can't have sports sales wandering into the studio and
saying it's easy.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I wonder if we could turn things around, Kevin. So,
if the qualities that make you, you know, handle pressure
as an elite athlete, if they are also the qualities
that mean you can transition to life as a TV
presenter smoothly, can we go in the opposite direction?

Speaker 5 (12:11):
I thought about that. Yeah, yes, no chance at all.
I go for golf probably, but as a both for swimming, yeah,
I'd be hopeless at both. But it is incredible and
good on Dame Sophie Bascow. And I'm delighted that you're
talking to her. And yeah, she's to be encouraged for sure.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, yeah, no, she's just a total legend. And I
will ask her actually about you know, I'll ask her
about how she feels being in a TV studio presenting.
I mean, she seems like a real natural, but I
wonder if she's been feeling it all nervous going out
to all those hundreds of thousands of people over the
last few nights in the first few days of the Paralympic.
She's going to be with us after ten o'clock this morning.

(12:55):
Really really looking forward to catching up with her. She's
going to be in studio, So stick around for that.
Right now, it's twenty two minutes past nine. We'll catch
up with our sport. I'll get his thoughts on the
Paralympics next.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team
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Speaker 2 (13:14):
Jack Good on Krmala Harris for not asking answering questions
about identity, Well there was, yeah, Well she was asked
really about Donald Trump's comments, and it was an opportunity
to talk about identity in that interview, but she chose
not to, which I just thought was clearly a deliberate strategy,
and I think a smart strategy at least from the
from the Democrats' perspective. Jack totally agree with you. As

(13:36):
much as people like to pretend that policies matter at
the end. I think the US election is just a
more extreme version of ours personalities that matter vibes Rain
on the day, Yeah, thanks for that Onely two ninety
two is our text number, Jacket News Talks HEDB dot
co dot nz if you want to get in touch
our sporto Andrew Saville is here this morning in Anna
Taylor winning New Zealand's first medal of the Paralympic Games.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
Yeah, great to see Jack. Good morning. Silver in the
on the cycrom Velodrome the C four three thousand meters
individual pursuit, which used to be quite the event in
the Olympics, but it was canned a couple of Olympics ago,
but it is still in the Paralympics, which was great

(14:22):
to see. She shaved or whacked six seconds off her
personal best in the qualification round, so that's an amazing
ride in itself. And then the Australian was dominant in
the final but still silver. Fanna Taylor, who I think
had quite a few or a few medical issues in
Toko for three years ago, four years ago, so for

(14:44):
her to come back and be on the podium is
an amazing, amazing effort. So a very good start to
the Paralympics. Have enjoyed it immensely so far. I mean,
you watch it in the evening, you get home from
work and you're maybe a little bit worn out and
looking for something to inspire you. Well, inspirational it is.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
It is inspirational. It's just it's good to like I've
I've again. I know, I know we said this with
the with the well, we said this with the Olympics
a few weeks ago. Yeah, this is a real pleasure
in watching sports on a really significant stage like that
that you don't usually engage with. Last night, that's been
a good hour watching the badminton. I was watching the
Wheelchier basketball the other day. Basketball. What a sport far

(15:31):
out of as brutal it is really, Yeah, it's it's
a physical sport. So yeah, it's it's been wonderful. So
all bakes tomorrow morning, three o'clock in South Africa before.

Speaker 7 (15:40):
Just before you up at it. I know Kevin Kevin
was talking about Dane Sophie. I think she's done a
great job as well so far. I think big pat
on the back for our crew in that I've really
enjoyed the explainers explaining the different divisions explaining the different
the different sports category, different visions, the different categories. Yeah,

(16:01):
I think it's been really good because a lot of
people just don't understand. Yeah, so that's it's been a
great way to get into it as well.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Especially when you when you, I mean you look at
the numbers of the last few nights and the ratings
and things that clearly a lot of people are engaging
with it, right and and if the if the purpose
is to you know, is to try and bring in
as many people under the tent as possible into the
tent as possible, it's yeah, I totally agree with you.

Speaker 7 (16:24):
Remove a bit of ignorance. Yes, all blacks, Yes, three
o'clock tomorrow morning. Wow, you're gonna ask me who's gonna win.
I'm gonna say, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
I'm going to be Oh, do I want to do this?
I think South Africa go on.

Speaker 7 (16:40):
Well, I haven't looked at the tav odds, but I'd
imagine in South Africa the spring Blocks are favorites. They've
lost a few players to injury, so I don't I
don't think that necessarily makes them vulnerable, but there's a
few chinks in the arm of the year I'm sure,
but playing at Alice Yes two years ago, when the

(17:03):
All Blacks are under all sorts of pressure coaching and
Foster's was basically on the line in that game, and
they went out there and won by ten twelve points.
It was an amazing effort. You'll Blacks are going to
have to put in a similar effort tonight. One of
the coaches said to me during the week Jack that
when you play South Africa, you have to be desperate

(17:25):
before you need to get desperate. So from the first whistle,
this All Black team will have to get stuck in
bully the bully if you like. It's going to be
an immense physical battle, as it always is against South Africa,
but more so in Johannesburg. You know, the springbox, spiritual
home at altitude, the other factor. So I think we're

(17:47):
going to see, hopefully a classic. I don't I'd like
to think neither team will run away with it, But yeah,
I think you'd have to say the South African's favorites,
but this All Black team, if they can play like
better than that first half against Argentina a couple of

(18:08):
weeks ago, even Park, they've certainly got a big, big chance.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, yeah, they do. So I've just looked up the
tab do you want to hazard against? They've got the favorite, I.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
Would imagine the All Blacks are still favorite with our TA.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
B no.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
South Africa paying a dollar forty seven New Zealand two sixty.

Speaker 7 (18:27):
Oh okay, well that's quite long odds.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's quite long odds.

Speaker 7 (18:31):
I wondered if that probably that's probably the longest odds
the All Blacks have been at for some time.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, I was, I thought I was misreading it there
for a moment. Argentina Australia, Argentina paying a dollar thirty.
There you go, and.

Speaker 7 (18:47):
The ASSI is well over too, I'd.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Imagine three thirty.

Speaker 7 (18:50):
So the Osies are on their fourth captain already this year,
and I looked through their team assisted I think they've
got three players that have played fifty tests some more
and that's it. Joe Schmidt certainly has his work cut
out for him. But yes, looking forward to the earlier
hours of tomorrow morning and hopefully another page in the

(19:11):
storied history of All Wax spring Box the hours part
will be written.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Jack, Yes, and look, I just want to be totally clear,
just because my head says that the South Africas are
probably the favorites tomorrow morning. It doesn't mean my heart
doesn't want the All Backs to win. Thank you very much,
sev Our Sport and Andrew Savill. There we'll get to
more of your feedback in a couple of minutes, plus
your movie picks for the week, including this fantastic new
Kiwi film We Were Dangerous. We'll give you all the
details on that in a couple of minutes. It's an

(19:58):
all time classic, is it not. That's Lady Hawk in
my delirium. So Lady Hawk's going to be making a
return for the performance of songs from her debut album
was announced yesterday. She's going to make up part of
the lineup of the Other's Way Other's Way. Yeah, the
Other's Way Festival. It's Auckland's favorite street party, that's how

(20:18):
they describe it. And so Lady Hawk's going to be
performing alongside Lady six Princess Chelsea Savage's happening in November,
the end of November. So yeah, that should be that
should be good fun. No I love It song twenty
five to ten on News Talks. It'd be time to
catch up with our film reviewer Francesca Rudkin, who is
with us this morning, more dinner.

Speaker 8 (20:36):
Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Really looking forward to getting your thoughts on our first
film this morning. This is the new key we release
have listened to. We Were Dangerous Asylum has a long
history of accommodating dubious characters.

Speaker 8 (20:52):
We've got all sorts, waves, strays, sex, delinquent.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
That's a new one.

Speaker 9 (20:57):
Hi, I'm Nelly, that's Daisy.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
We have three girls in the Leaky Hut.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Okay. We of course had the stars of We Were
Dame on our show this time last week. Francesca, you've
had an opportunity to see the film, so tell us
about it.

Speaker 10 (21:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (21:12):
So this is the debut feature film from Josephine Stewart
to few, and I really enjoyed this film. I think
she has told this story so beautifully. Everything is considered
in this film, Jack, from the actors who played the parts,
to the location, the cinematography, to the costume. Everything kind

(21:35):
of works together so beautifully. And I just love that
about this film and about Josephine as a storyteller. You
can just tell so much kind of care and thought
has gone into how to present this story set in
nineteen fifty four. It's about a group of teenage girls,
young girls who were sent to an island where they
attend to multi school for encourageable and delinquent girls. And

(21:59):
as you heard, they're waists and strays, and now they've
got few sex delinquents there as well.

Speaker 11 (22:04):
It is very.

Speaker 8 (22:04):
Much a coming of age. It's a social commentary on
colonization and patriarchy and godliness and abuse and care, which
I think is just very timely obviously, But what I
really enjoy is there these are pretty heavy, serious topics
to discuss, but they also dealt with a lightness. There
is humor here, There is hope here. There are characters

(22:29):
who maybe are sort of set up to be the
villains in this film, but the door is just a
jar a little bit that we see that they have
some heart and maybe realize that the way they're doing
things isn't the right way to do things. Wonderful young cast,
they're really fantastic. This film has been getting sort of

(22:49):
critical acclaim and winning awards overseas. It won that's the
Special Dury Prize when it was.

Speaker 11 (22:54):
Screened in Stuff by Southwest earlier in the.

Speaker 8 (22:58):
Year, and I think that that is going to continue on.
I think this will become a festival favorite around the world.
But I also think that New Zealander is you're going
to love them. Yeah, it's really wonderful.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Oh so good, and a couple of things. First of all,
like didn't include anything it didn't need to, and our
tweet something right, so nice and nice and like snappy,
good storytelling. But also I think that point about the
way in which it manages to deal with very heavy
themes but not in a way that's kind of preachy

(23:27):
or feels heavy. I don't know how to articulate that
anymore succinctly, but there are these really heavy, timely important
themes about abuse and stakecare, all of this kind of stuff,
but it's kind of done with. There's a real lightness
to it.

Speaker 8 (23:41):
And look, you'll know, Jack, I never talk about endings
of films. I'm very very many will talk about an
ending of a film. But this film you walk out
just with the smile on your face and a little
skip in your step and thinking it's not so bad
being rebellious, you know what I mean. Like it you
leave uplifted and kind of you know, as opposed to
just go, oh my gosh, you know, yeah, it's just

(24:04):
horrible and terrible, you know. So I think that it's
something that Josephine's just balanced really really nicely. Is the
heaviness with the lightness, just getting that balance right, and
that's really hard to do.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I well, see, okay, so that's we were dangerous. It
is in cinemas. Now, let's haven't listened to another film
showing at the theater at the moment. This is Midas Man.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Hello, my name is Brian Epstein. Hello, my name is
John Lennon.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
My name is Paul.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
George Pete. First I saw it on a stage. I
shall never forget it.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
I want to represent you be a manager, but you've
got to experience mister Brian.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Okay, that's Midas Man, a story that feels relatively familiar.

Speaker 8 (24:53):
Yes, so this is the story of the first Beatle,
Brian Epstein, who was their manager.

Speaker 12 (24:58):
And he is Brian.

Speaker 8 (25:00):
Is this lovely, sort of closeted, gay Jewish young man
who runs the family record stores. And in nineteen sixty one,
get this, he goes to a lunchtime gig. I want
to bring back lunchtime gigs. I think that would be
so much fun to see this unknown band called the Beatles.
They're playing in Liverpool, and he just looks around and
he goes, these guys have something and off we go.

(25:22):
And he approaches them and asks if you know he
could be their manager, and they tease him quite a
lot with about his poshways, but yeah, off they go
on this journey. So it is it is a relationship
that kind of saw this band become one of the
biggest bands in the world. And you sort of see
Brian he just had these incredible instincts. He just understood

(25:43):
the potential of the Beatles. He got great deals, he
knew what was needed to kind of break them internationally,
and so that's what we kind of get that look
behind the scenes of It doesn't show away from his
struggle with addiction in gambling and his sexuality. Obviously, the
huge success that the Beatles have that comes with a
huge amount of stress and a huge amount of struggles,

(26:05):
so you kind of see all that taking place. It's
very much about him as opposed to the Beatles and
how they sort of dealt with fame. It's very actually,
Jack very little Beatles music in this film, which may
have been an issue about getting the rights for it.
Look in this in general, I think this story is
told well. It is a great story, a fascinating story

(26:27):
to tell.

Speaker 11 (26:28):
They've tried to.

Speaker 8 (26:29):
Kind of lighten it up and tell it in an
interesting way, and occasionally the fourth wall was broken down
and Brian talks directly to us, and it tries to
have sort of once again a lightness to it. But
I'm not sure they quite nailed the balance.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I felt like this.

Speaker 8 (26:41):
Film we actually did need to go into a little
bit more depth as to what was happening. Yeah, a
fun look at a period in time that a lot
of people.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Will remember and enjoy. I mean far back from me
to judge something from twelve seconds of trailer that we're
only listen to, but no, but give it a go. Well,
it just it sounded like it sounded like the actual
the band members, but Paul McCartney and John then or
maybe a little hammed up.

Speaker 13 (27:10):
Yah.

Speaker 8 (27:11):
Yeah, possibly, And I'm not sure we really sort of
got I think we learn more about Brian than we
did necessarily about his relationship with them. It's sort of
like almost behind the scenes of how they became.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
World famous, right, Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, Well,
lunchtime gigs previously a thing? Was that a well.

Speaker 8 (27:29):
Apparently, I don't know. I never I'd never heard of
lunchtime gigs, but it's quite fun. How good half of
us kind of step away from our desk to have
our lunch these days.

Speaker 14 (27:37):
But that's how good we go.

Speaker 8 (27:38):
I'm just popping out for half an how to see
some young band, and how invigorated would you go back
to work?

Speaker 2 (27:42):
I think it would be great if.

Speaker 13 (27:45):
Your world d're in.

Speaker 8 (27:46):
Yeah, I think it's probably pretty obvious reasons why there's
a lot of bands that are like younger to play
behalf in.

Speaker 15 (27:52):
Our lunch time.

Speaker 8 (27:53):
Yeah, and we wouldn't have the time really to do it,
but it is quite fun. Yeah, they went down into
the sort of dark, dark venue.

Speaker 11 (28:00):
Yeah band at lunchtime.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
And we used to do it at schools, you know,
like our school school bands would do it nice ill
fated school band. You had a couple of big lunchtime
gigs over the years. We're still talking about those today. No,
but yeah, I think it's a good idea. I'm into it,
very good. Okay, that's minus man, Thank you, Franciscap. That's
showing in cinemas now, so as We Were Dangerous, Jack

(28:22):
says Laura. I saw that film We Were Dangerous last
week and team I really enjoyed it. It is a
great New Zealand film. So Laura adds to Francesca's recommendation,
there go along and see We Were Dangerous. Right now,
it is seventeen minutes to ten. If you are looking
for something good to cook for your dad tomorrow morning,
a bit of a treat for Father's Day, boy, do
we have the recipe for you next.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
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Speaker 2 (28:52):
Sophie Pasco has been competing in every Paralympics for the
last like sixteen years. It is crazy. This is her
first Paralympics in a long time that she isn't competing.
She is behind the mic in front of the camera instead.
But she has had quite an interesting couple of years.
So she's recently become a mum and that has had

(29:13):
some amazing experiences but also some challenges. I'm going to
talk to her about that after ten o'clock. She's going
to be with us in studio and cannot wait for
that conversation right now, though it's called at a ten
Father's Day tomorrow, of course, and if you're leaving things
kind of late, but you want to give your dad
a bit of a treat on Father's Day morning, NICKI
wacks our cook has the recipe for you?

Speaker 9 (29:33):
Kielder, Yes, Maurena, I certainly do. And it's not too
late to think about it.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Do you know what I was going through this? Because yeah,
you hear mint on toast, right, and you think, oh yeah,
but then you think fancy mint on toast with chili,
onions and egg, and then I go through that, I
go through the ingredients which I'm not going to give
away just yet, and I think, oh, man, that looks
like a bit of me on a say that looks
like a big bit of me.

Speaker 11 (29:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (29:56):
And I don't know about you, but if I'm at
a cafe and there is Minson toast on their breakfast
slash brunch menu, I'm straight there.

Speaker 11 (30:03):
I don't even look at anything else by a dormance.

Speaker 9 (30:06):
It's a buttery piece of toast. It's left over from
my youth.

Speaker 11 (30:10):
I just I just adore it.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, yeah, good, nothing with it, okay?

Speaker 9 (30:13):
So look and look, it's really great if you were
to make this today, because it does age well. I
always think things like this kind of tastes better on
the second day in some ways. And you don't really
want to be whipping this up tomorrow morning for brunch, So.

Speaker 11 (30:26):
Make it today.

Speaker 9 (30:27):
All the ingredients, though they're they sort of sound anxiety,
you should be able to find them everywhere.

Speaker 11 (30:32):
So look, I start off by heating out.

Speaker 9 (30:34):
I do this in a big saucepan, a big pot,
and you want to brown the mintsoff and you want
to do a little bit of quality olive oil if
you care, or some other oil it doesn't really matter,
but probably not butter because it'll burn.

Speaker 11 (30:46):
You want to brown. That means to get a little
bit of flavor in it.

Speaker 9 (30:48):
Jack just you don't you don't have to go all out,
but you just want a little bit of it so
that you kind of get some color, so that you
don't have one of those gray mints episodes, because that's
not going to say Happy Father's Day. And I break
it up with a fork as it cooks. But first
of all, let it kind of cook and stick to
the bottom of your pot, and that'll brown it up
a little bit. Then I add some graded carrot. I've

(31:09):
used two graded carrots, one to pad out your mints,
because you've bought good quality mints, but also it gives
it color and it gives it a little sweetness, which
is really nice. I chuck a bay leaf in there.
Bay leaves are a really wonderful kind of what I
refer to as a grounding flavor, So they really kind
of ground a dish, and everything else can kind of
dance around it, which is great. I've gone a cord

(31:30):
a coup of red wine because my dad loves his
red wine. But you could use sort of a tablespoon
or two of balsamic vinegar. You could also use worster sauce,
or you could use maybe a tablespoon off soy sauce
will get you there too, So just something like that
is kind of nice game color flavor.

Speaker 11 (31:47):
All of that.

Speaker 9 (31:47):
Cook it for three to four minutes. Then add in
your tomatoes. I've used a good tin of tinned chopped tomatoes.
Whatever you like really there. I do tend to buy
the muoty ones. Yes, they're about fifty cents more for
a can, but they're so delicious and they're all broken
up really nicely, and then you just want to sim
of that for about twenty thirty minutes. I do a

(32:08):
little combo of lid on lid off kind of thing.
I start off with the lid on and then I
reduce it a little bit with the lid off, Taste
it for a bit of seasoning, and I add a
bit of salt and pepper in there. Obviously, while the
mince is cooking, chop some onions, nice thin slices going
from tip to root, not across the onion.

Speaker 11 (32:26):
Because if you do it tip to root, it'll cook faster.

Speaker 9 (32:29):
And you want to fry those in some butter or
oil or a combo, get some really good color on them.
Jack you want them to you know that, you don't
want them just kind of softened. You want them to
actually have some color on them.

Speaker 11 (32:40):
And then add in a bit of a chopped chili
or even some chili flags and set those aside.

Speaker 9 (32:45):
And then you're going to use that pan to also
fry your eggs, so the eggs will also have that kind.

Speaker 11 (32:49):
Of oniony flavor to them.

Speaker 9 (32:51):
Plate that you have a nice little bit a bit
of toast, little dollup of mince on there. You put
fried egg on there, your chili onion mix, you say,
I love you so much, dad, And there you go.
You can sprinkle it with a bit of chive, a
bit of pass there if you really want to get
flash on it.

Speaker 11 (33:07):
But it's good cheek telling it.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
It looks cheeky good. So what do you think are
you thinking? Is this a chibata? We've got a sourt though?
What are you thinking?

Speaker 11 (33:14):
You said, shapato.

Speaker 9 (33:15):
I think it depends on the age of your dad's teeth. Yeah, right,
So my mom and dad, bless them both. I've still
got them in their eighties and they find a lot
of that sourdough carry on, just a little bit too tough.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Okay, it can.

Speaker 9 (33:34):
That crust, that crust once it's toasted. Jabbata is a
nice soft one, which is great.

Speaker 11 (33:38):
But look, anything will do.

Speaker 9 (33:40):
To be honest, I'd look, if you've got a thick
toast slice of tip top white bread, it's still going
to be fantastic.

Speaker 11 (33:48):
So yeah, don't you be worrying about that.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I've said, Oh you've said, what toast chamata? Oh well,
well we're going to say goodbye anyway, Thank you very much,
Nikki We'll make sure that Nikki's recipe for that super
fancy Father's Day mince on toast with chili, onions and
egg is available on the new talks'd be website. Thank
you so much for all of your texts. I've done
a terrible job, just a god awful job of getting

(34:12):
of getting to your messages this hour.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I enjoyed your opening comments this morning. I'm a Donald
Trump fan and I think you're one hundred percent right.
But I think you're one hundred percent right. The Democrats
are right not to talk about Kamala Harris's race or
talk about her being a woman. Got to say, though,
I reckon policy is going to matter. I think we're
going to have to disagree on that one. Gary, Yeah,

(34:37):
I'm I think the thing about Donald Trump is everyone
knows him. Everyone's got an opinion on him, right, You
either love him or you hate him. And I just
think that no one is kind of in the middle
of the road when it comes to Donald Trump. And
he's such a polarizing figure that you know that the
elections unlikely to be about like details and the vision forward,

(34:59):
and you know, specific policies and who's going to do
exactly what I think it's going to be about people.
Jack totally disagree with you. Karmela was hopeless in that
interview with CNN. She was showing up, and I'm looking
forward to her being shown up once again once the
debates kick off. It will be interesting if there are debates.
I think the tenth of September US time, so eleventh
is supposed to be the first debate, but still not

(35:21):
totally clear that that will be going ahead at the moment.
Apparently Harris's team are trying to change the rules, So
I with Joe Biden. Remember they agreed in that calamitous
debate for Joe Biden, they agreed to mute the microphones
when it wasn't their turn. Well, Karmala Harris, they want
to keep the microphones live so that if Donald Trump
is saying stuff when it's not his turn, that people

(35:42):
can hear. But Trump's team is saying, oh, you can't
change the rules from last time, And I'm kind of
with the Trump team on this one. I feel like
I don't feel like Carmal has Karmala Harris as much
for a lead to stand on in that sense. So anyway,
thanks for you, for you back ninety two. Ninety two
is our text number. Jacket News Talks. He'd be dot
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Speaker 1 (35:59):
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Speaker 2 (36:08):
That'd be Jack, Jack, Jack, What are you talking about
the first of September not being the start of spring?
Of course it's the start of spring. It's not. I've
double checked it. It's the twenty third of September that
is technically the start of spring. This is why I'm
advocating for the Jack Tame theory of seasonal rounding. So
we're going to call we'll call it the start of spring,
just for argument's sake tomorrow, and then you know, when

(36:29):
it gets a little bit cooler, it gets a little
bit grimmar, we head into waterm we head into winter.
Then we'll round in the opposite direction. I don't think
we're losing anything, aren't we?

Speaker 13 (36:35):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
As far as I'm concerned, the daffodils. As far as
I'm concerned, spring has started. The daffodils are out in
christ Church, not just for Dafidil Day. Yes, that's how
you know that spring has arrived. Thank you for your feedback.
After ten o'clock this morning, our feature interview. Really looking
forward to this one. Get this. She is a by
my account, nineteen time Paralympic medalist. I think that's right. Nineteen.

(36:57):
Let me see. She's got eleven gold medals, seven silver
medals and a bronze. YEP, that's pretty impressive. Pasco is
going to be with us, Dame Sophie Pasco. It's not
just a Paralympic legend. She is also a mum, a
new mum, and she is a TV presenter as of
the last week or so, so she's gonna be with

(37:18):
us in studio celebrating the start of the Paralympic Games
and talking about her new life. Really looking forward to
seeing her as well as that. If you're looking for
something good to watch or stream this weekend, maybe if
it's damp in your neck of the woods you don't
really want to leave the couch, We're going to tell
you about this new show starring Sam Neil. It's called
The Twelve. It's like a jury drama, quite a gritty

(37:41):
jury drama. Apparently it's really interesting. So I'll give you
all the details of where you can watch that, but
it's just coming up to ten o'clock on your Saturday morning.
I'm Jack Tame News is next on News Dog zby.

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Speaker 2 (39:14):
Good morning you were Jack Taime on newstalks 'd B.
The Paralympics are officially underway in Paris, and for the
first time in sixteen years, Team New Zealand is missing
a very familiar face, our most decorated Paralympion ever, Sophie
Pasco So. Sophie's a four time Paralympian and eleven time
gold medalist, seven time silver medalist and one time bronze

(39:35):
Ain't no thing. She's also just become a mum. So
this year, Sophie's staying home from the Games and taking
part in a slightly different way presenting TV and z's
coverage of the competition. And she's with us this morning.
Held a good morning, good morning, so good to see
you in person.

Speaker 13 (39:50):
Yeah, it's been a long time, Jacks, It has.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Been a long time. So I was thinking I think
we first crossed paths when you were maybe fifteen years old. Correct, gulp,
So another lifetime, which means that the last time there
was a Paralympic Games being contested in which you weren't
in the pool, you were eleven.

Speaker 7 (40:13):
I was.

Speaker 16 (40:14):
I just missed out actually as well?

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Are you serious?

Speaker 12 (40:16):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (40:18):
I was like zero point zero something from qualifying eleven.
But it was I mean, it wasn't as if I
was trying to qualify for those particularly well for Athens
at the time. It was just at nationals and there
was obviously qualifying times on the sheet. Yeah, and I
just missed out, but it wasn't obviously on my rade a.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think it held you back in
the end, to be perfectly honest, So I'm sure everyone
was asking you this, but what is it like? How
does it change your perspective on the Games to not
be competing for the first time since before you were
a teenager?

Speaker 13 (40:52):
Look, to be honest, it has been a little bit
up and down, yeah, being the first time in sixteen
years every time I've been getting ready for a Paralympics. Obviously,
the Olympics is a couple of weeks prior to us
and I've always been a staging camp, and that's kind
of been almost I like to call the Olympics the
warm up event for our event, of course, but it

(41:13):
would get you really hyped up.

Speaker 6 (41:15):
You know.

Speaker 13 (41:15):
It was so exciting watching our new ZLM Kiwi athletes
perform on the world stage. And I'd always be overseas,
but here I am. I'm at home, and I'm looking
after a baby, and I'm just not preparing to go
to a Paralympic Games, and so I mustn't it. It
was really hard actually watching the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
That's interesting.

Speaker 13 (41:35):
I felt, I did feel the fomo, and I also
felt like it wasn't really on. And I think that's
because it's the first time that I wasn't actually in
a structured routine of hey, I'm going to the Paralympics
in a few weeks time.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, so you felt that the Paralympics went on?

Speaker 13 (41:52):
Yeah, yeah, no, bos because it just it was kind
of this mentality of like, well, hang on, it's why
am I not? Why am I not overseas, you know,
with the rest of the Paralympic team ready and yeah,
but then there was the emotions of actually watching the
Olympics as well of oh, this isn't going to be

(42:14):
me in a few weeks time. So there was a
little bit of sadness, but there was so much excitement
because we had an incredible team and we.

Speaker 8 (42:20):
Did so well.

Speaker 13 (42:23):
So I loved that side of it. And I made
sure that I was able to actually watch a lot
of our team because I was breastfeeding as well, so
I actually were up in the early hours of the
morning and I was actually able to watch. But then
now that we've actually come to the Paralympics, I was
really nervous. I'm eached to my husband. I was like,
I'm actually really nervous about going into presenting and having

(42:44):
that real fomo feeling of not actually being over the
games of the team. But first day yesterday on show
and I just felt so content.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Oh that's great.

Speaker 13 (42:58):
It's like I'm right where I need to be with
my family with my baby and right here presenting and
helping out the per team, but still feeling like I'm
part of the team, but and just in such a
different capacity.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
So yeah, yeah, I mean you're still engaged, You're still
part of it, just in a different context, right, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (43:17):
So I think all of that aside now I'm just like, actually,
you know what, I don't need to be there. I
watched some events last night, in particular the swimming, and
there was none of that fear of missing out and
that I should be there, and yeah, it was perfect.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Can you enjoy it? That's what I wondered, because I
can totally appreciate the fomo, But I just wonder if
actually not having the pressure of your own performances and
the pressure of expectation and all of the concerns that
must go into competing is also a relief of sorts.

Speaker 13 (43:51):
Yes, yes, there, I mean there's obviously not that pressure
on you, right, I mean it's you carry the pressure
of everybody else to yes, but the biggest pressure is
your own. But now obviously that's just channeled into my
own pressure that I'm putting on myself in a studio,
which I do feel is a little bit daunting in
itself because it's obviously out of my comfort zone. You know,
I'm not one to speak behind a camera every single day.

(44:14):
It comes, you know, in waves with obviously being an athlete.
But yeah, it's it is a little bit of relief.
Like I said, I just watched some events last night,
and I'm just so excited for our team. I still
feel the nervousness. So I think that's great.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
On behalf of the team.

Speaker 13 (44:31):
On behalf of the team, and you know, I feel
what you know, the likes of Nicole was going through
and Voytek last night. You get those feelings and I
don't think they'll ever go because you just know what
it's like to be standing either behind your block or
within the field or player about to compete. And I
love that feeling, Like that is the one feeling I

(44:52):
do miss because you know, it's like that adrenaline rush.
But I'm getting that when it's about to go, like
we're about to go live on TV now. Yeah, So
in a way, I'm kind of getting the best of
both worlds. It's just so different.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, for what is with I think you're great on camera, Oh,
I think, But no, I can see how it's like
it's an intimidating environment, right, And there's a difference between
like doing interviews if you're competing as an athlete and
then being in a TV studio kind of being in
command and having moving cameras and all of the distractions
and everything that comes with being in that environment. It's

(45:27):
it's an alien environment.

Speaker 13 (45:29):
It is unusual, and there's you know, so many moving
aspects and moving parts to making it come to life.
And I just I have so much more appreciation now
for presenters.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Oh yes, that's what I was thinking for No, I
really do.

Speaker 13 (45:45):
And you know, there's so much preparation that goes in
to making you know, the likes of this coverage happening,
and the fact that we're even getting this sort of coverage.
You know, it's amazing that TV and Z are actually
producing live TV coverage for our Paralympians. You know, we
deserve that and these athletes deserve it, and it's only
going to get better. And I just hope that I can,
you know, put my mark on the team that you

(46:08):
know deserve that recognition.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
So do you reflect on like on that note, do
you reflect on the place of the Paralympics in New
Zealand compared to your first games however many years ago?

Speaker 13 (46:19):
Totally? I was talking to someone about this the other day. Actually,
it's just it's incredible how far Paralympics has already come.
And I look back on my history in particular, you know,
I started so young, and you know, slowly becoming history myself.
But you know those first in particular, those first two
campaigns and Beijing and London, and London was really the

(46:42):
catalyst of you know, becoming an inclusive sport alongside their
able body peers. You know, London really made sure that
the Paralympics was going to be on the same level
as the Olympics. However, you know, there wasn't the media
and the technology like there is today and the social
media aspect of it and the sponsors getting behind para athletes.

(47:05):
It's constantly growing. So I have seen that change and
it's almost like I do feel like those first couple
of Paralympics for myself, I have almost been you know,
they didn't get the recognition they deserve, so it's almost
like they have just been put aside. And now you
see that for these athletes like Tokyo and now Paris,

(47:29):
the social media is there. We never had that in
London and in Beijing. Social media wasn't a thing.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Even little things. And this sounds so obvious, but like
being able to watch a particular event on demand, correct,
like not just being kind of a slave to whatever
is happening in the moment. It makes it sound so bad,
but you know what I mean. But like you can
you can go and say, actually, this is He's an
event that I might not have seen otherwise it was
in an inconvenient time or whatever, and I can go

(47:57):
and watch it. How great, so good?

Speaker 13 (47:59):
And TVNZ plus have five channels to be able to
do that. And you know, now, yeah, it's obviously the
time zone doesn't really work in our favor here, but
the fact that you can wake up in the morning
and go, Okay, I am.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Going to go watch you can make whatever sport.

Speaker 13 (48:14):
Of play, yeah, that you want to. So it's so great.
It's so great.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Mom life, Mom life. What has surprised you about.

Speaker 13 (48:24):
Mom life that the amount of chat you have with
people prior to going into being a mum. You never
really know until you're in it, right, You can be told,
given all the advice, you can be told all these
different things, and until you're really in it, that's yeah,

(48:46):
that's when you know. I'm a mum and I have
so many different moving parts as well. Now, I thought
swimming was easy, did you?

Speaker 14 (48:56):
Sorry?

Speaker 13 (48:57):
So got I just said swimming. I thought swimming was hard.
Swimming is so easy. Yeah, mom life is the hardest
job in the world. Yeah, harder stuff in the world.
And I respect any parent out there and especially single parents.
It is it's challenging. It comes with its challenges. I mean,
you've got a young person who is just or a

(49:17):
young baby who is so dependent on you, and you
want to give them everything you possibly can, so you
take you know that baby is taking two loads of
energy out and then you're also obviously a person as well.
So I think the identity side of it has been
really challenging too. But I have really found mum life

(49:38):
so rewarding and just like I said, I'm in the
I'm the I'm in the best place right now.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
It's so good to hear.

Speaker 13 (49:44):
I just love being a mum.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
The identity thing is interesting, and I saw you making
what I thought was just a really insightful comment about
how being a mom had kind of saying being a mom,
being a mum had like changed your relationship with your
own body and the way you think about your leg
for example, and like we always think about like how

(50:06):
readable women's bodies are. But that has come with its
own challenges as well, totally.

Speaker 13 (50:11):
And I didn't know that until I got pregnant and
started to notice, you know, obviously the weight change, and
then the next thing, you know, all that weight shifts
within your body and your gate starts to change. And
then next thing, you know, I can't fit a leak,
so here we are having to get a new league mate.
And then it comes with the back problems because already

(50:31):
you know, being asymmetrical, it's just not you know, it
doesn't really work that well, you know, carrying a baby,
having a prosthetic leg, and then you know everything that
comes with being pregnant, and then the heat on top
of that. So there's the constant swelling that I had
within the prosthetic. It was constantly there reminding me that

(50:52):
I do have one leak. And then postpartum, you know,
started losing weight, so then still not fitting the league properly,
but then getting up in the how many times in
the night to feed baby, and you know, I don't
sleep with a leg on, and it's you know, having
to make sure my leg is on and it's on
properly because it's for the safety of my child. It's

(51:16):
all those things I'm actually having to think about first
before my baby. And you know everyone says the you know,
your first thought is your baby. But when you carry
a disability, you actually have to think about your disability first.
It's for the safety of your child. It's just it's
been a real mind shift because I've grown up with

(51:36):
one league for you know, twenty eight years, and it's
never been classes a disability in my eyes, because it's
been automatic, routine, you know, auto pilot. However, since being pregnant,
it's now just the first thing in my in my mind,
you know, I live with pain most days now, like
I'm uncomfortable, but that's because your body is changing so much.

(52:01):
I'm still you know, going through hormones and when you're breastfeeding,
like all of this. It's just it's a constant change.
Your body just is adapting to everything. But you're also
adapting to a prosthetic leg that was made you know
how many months ago or yeah, and you can't obviously
get a new league every single day.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
So, I mean it's the classic like adding someone else
into the equation. Right, If it's just up to Sophie Pasco,
you just focus on yourself and swimming, then that's one thing.
But actually the moment you add another human being into
the equation.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Yeah, well, absolutely.

Speaker 13 (52:34):
And then you know I mentioned about, you know, the
look of having an athlete body prior to having a
baby as well, and you know, now I look in
the mirror and I don't have that athlete body. I'm
trying to obviously get that back, and it's you know,
it's not as fast as it was. You know, i'd
have a break, say a month break, you know, between
a pandacle event and the next season starting, and you

(52:58):
know it would come back just like that. Yeah, things
don't come back just like that anymore.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Well, for what it's worth, I think you're positively radiating
and you look incredible on TV. You guys are doing
such a good job. Are you back in the pool
at all? What's the That's what I thought. I was like,
how are you squeezing that into your life right now?

Speaker 13 (53:17):
Look, I mean, obviously it's on hold while I'm up here,
and I will be honest around that, But I did
mention that the other day that I just want to
enjoy the journey of getting back into it, and I
have been really enjoying it. Britt and I have actually
been swimming together in the pool, so he's been my
motivation actually to go to the pool and get back
in and I've been really loving it. It's been I

(53:42):
guess it's my time I bring baby with me.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
It's such a good point.

Speaker 13 (53:47):
And he just sits in his pram and watches and
all he's looked after by the staff on the side
of the pool, Britt's wife, and it's great, you know,
like it's we've got such a family. I mean, that's
the beauty of ecuagym. It's a family there and family
culture and also your team that you've created over the
past seventeen years. You know, when I go to the

(54:08):
gym as well, he comes with me and he's just
picked up by anybody and just loves it and watches mom,
you know, do her gym session. So those times when
I'm there, it's about me, and it's I get to
just fully immerse in me and think about, actually, what
am I getting out of this session for me personally

(54:29):
and physically? And yeah, I mean you only get a
few hours and a day for yourself, and now it's
I mean sometimes it's onny an hour or if I'm
lucky exactly, and so I really like appreciate that. Yeah,
And so I walk away feeling so good. I'm like,
oh my god, I love that. Yeah I could do this.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, think of this.

Speaker 13 (54:52):
Yeah it's precious, but yeah, there's like I could do
this maybe, you know, the next games. And I think
that's the beauty of being able to watch the likes
of the Olympics and paralym perks and seeing moms come back,
you know, after having children, and we're seeing it more
and more women who have paved the way for you know,
future moms to be able to come back and go, Actually,

(55:13):
you can do this.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Yeah, I mean you don't have to decide that now,
right exactly.

Speaker 13 (55:17):
And that's what I mean. I just want to enjoy
the journey of getting my body back to where it was,
loving my body again, because I'm not in that place
of loving it right now. And that's because I've been
so used to what you know, my body has looked
like for the past twenty odd years. And yeah, it
takes time, and I think, you know, most women who
have had a baby, we'll understand that.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah, thank you so much for your time when you
were so busy at the moment, but also just like
for just being so open. You're amazing. Oh really, we
really love having you in here, so thank you and
enjoy the games.

Speaker 14 (55:52):
Thanks Jack.

Speaker 13 (55:53):
Yes, and obviously every night from the seven thirty, you know,
free to hear TV and Z one and TV and
Z plus.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
That's so good. The powers that be DV and Z
are going to be very pleased with both of us.
But honestly, that was really quite profound and amazing, So
thank you very much, Sophie. We really appreciate it. That
is Sophie Pasco, Dame Sophie Pasco, Paralympic Legend, TV presenting
Legend as well. It's twenty four minutes past ten. You're

(56:23):
Jack Tame, It's Saturday morning and this is News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
To start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with
Jack Tame and bpuret dot code on insad for high
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Speaker 2 (56:37):
You know I've said this before. I just feel so
privileged to have this job. Sometimes there are just days
in this job and I'm like, man, you gotta likes
the Wold cliche, right, You've got to pinch yourself just
to be in a position where you can have a
conversation like that with someone as accomplished and incredible as
Dame Sophie Pasco. Yeah, that was really amazing, love that interview.

(56:58):
Thank you for your messages. Heabs and heaps and heaps
of texts and emails coming through. Ge Jack says, Muz,
she is an absolute net on the radio. She's coming
across brilliantly. Jack, one incredible, well rounded woman. Mum, sportswoman
now TV presenter.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Please tell Dame Sophie how much we too are enjoying
her presenting. She is a total natural. I hope she
gets a permanent job for this sort of thing if
she wants one, says Penny ninety two. Ninety two. If
you want to flick as a message jacket Newstalks, he'db
dot co dot nz is the email addresses coming up
to ten thirty, which means it's screen time time. Tara
Award is here with the screen time picks first week

(57:34):
shows that you might want to watch your stream in
between all of the Paralympics coverage. Hey Tara, good morning. Okay,
three great shows to work through this morning. Let's begin
with the show streaming on Netflix. Tell us about Chaos.

Speaker 16 (57:45):
Yeah, this is Netflix's new big prestige drama that dropped
this week and This is a dark comedy and it's
a modern take on Greek mythology. So it's set in
a contemporary world where the Greek gods are real and
Zeus is played by Jeff Goldbloom, who is so good
in this. He plays the all powerful, quite awful Supreme
God and the show was about the downfall of the

(58:07):
gods and a mysterious prophecy that Zeus is worried will
will lead him to losing his powers and he becomes
increasingly paranoid as the show goes on. He is so
good in this, but he's surrounded by an amazing cast.

Speaker 11 (58:20):
Cliff Curtis is in this as well.

Speaker 16 (58:22):
He plays Poseidon. There's also Billy Piper, Janet Mactier, Susie
Eddie is a Debbie Maser. It just goes on and on.
The cast is fantastic, and the show itself is really
clever and quirky. It's taking those well known characters and
stories and breathing new life into them on the screen.
It's a big energy here. The humor is very tongue
in cheek. It will probably help if you know a

(58:44):
little bit about Greek mythology. There's lots of in jokes.
But even if you don't, I think the big energy
of this and Jeff Goldbloom's performance in particular will keep
you watching. It's intriguing and something completely different.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yeah it does sound different. Okay, sounds good. All right,
there's chaos. It's on Netflix, on tv and Z plus.
Sherwood is back.

Speaker 16 (59:03):
Yeah, I'm very happy to have a new season of
Sherwood back on tv Z. This is the award winning
BBC drama. The first season came out in twenty twenty
two and it's a series that mixes historical events in
the UK with a fictional murder mystery. So the first
season was about a murder in an x mining community
where a lot of resentment and tensions still lingered from

(59:25):
the minor strikes of the nineteen eighties. So it's a
show that feels very real. It's anchored in those real
experiences of working class people in Britain. And so even
though it's a crime drama, it's also a social drama
and a political drama as well. Season two starts on
TVNZ one tomorrow night, and it's about another murder in
the Nottingham community. A lot of the same characters return

(59:47):
for the second season as well as some new families.
And again the cast is really impressive, David Morrissey, Leslie Manveld.
The acting is just you know quality. This is up
there with Poor Church and Happy Valley. If you're a
fan of really rich, layered, thoughtful British dramas, this is
a must watch.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
I love this one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Oh nice, Okay, that's sure. It's on TVN'Z plus and
also on TVNZ The Twelves.

Speaker 16 (01:00:09):
Yeah, this is the Australian drama The twelve. A new
season of this has just landed on TVNZ Plus as well.
And the first thing I'll say about this is that
it stars Sam Neil and if Sam Neil is going
to be in something that's always assigned to me, that
it's going to be good. And this is a courtroom
drama with a twist. It's about a murder trial, but
it focuses on the lives of the twelve members of
the jury and it explores how each of these jury

(01:00:32):
members bring their own secrets and baggage to the case
and how all those little details help them influence them
and coming to a verdict. And the case in question
is a murder in small town Australia in a community
where everyone knows the people allegedly involved in the crime,
which makes it challenging for the jury. And Sam Neill
is playing one of the lawyers defending.

Speaker 12 (01:00:53):
The co aques.

Speaker 16 (01:00:54):
So there's lots of layers to this, which is why
I liked it. It has that small town Australian feel
to it mixed in with the tension of a courtroom drama,
and the audience is like a member of the jury.
We don't know if the accused are guilty or not,
so we're going to work it out as we go
along as well. This is great too. Three great shows
this week, Jack, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Oh very good. I love it. Thank you so much, Tara.
So those shows once again. The twelve is the one
with Sam Neil that is on TV and Sad Plus
so too is Sherwood Season two of Sherwood, that British drama,
and on Netflix the one starring Jeff Goldblum. Chaos is
streaming now right now. It is twenty eight minutes to
eleven on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Would you believe It's twenty years since the release of
John Legend's debut album, Get Lifted. I Love Gift Lifted.
There was a superb album. Anyway, He's been chronicled. He's
often chronicled rather defining moments of his life through his work,
just like this song. It was dedicated to Chrissy Teagan,
released a month before their wedding back in twenty thirteen.

(01:02:40):
He's certainly smooth voice. He's an egot winner, ain't no thing.
He got a start in the late nineties playing R
and B, but two decades later he's now got a
Christmas album under his belt. He's got four kids under
the age of nine, which means, of course it's time
for a children's album.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
John Legends just released a children's album. Our music reviewer
has had a bit of a listen. We're going to
play you some of that album after eleven o'clock this
morning so we can see what we think. Thank you
for your feedback. John's look me your message to say,
Jack wholeheartedly agree with you and Kevin Melon on the
show today, and that Sophie Pasco is doing an amazing
job on the TV. She's really natural but quite professional
as well, says John. Wow. Sophie says another John. I

(01:03:21):
always knew she was a weapon, but she's just gone
to a whole new level for me. Go Sophie, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
You for that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Really enjoyed that interview. If didn't hear our interview with
Sophie Pasco, you can go to newsborgs heb dot co
dot nz slash Jack and you'll be able to listen
to it there twenty four to eleven non news dogs 'db.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Digging into the issues that affect you the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 19 (01:03:42):
Confidence can always continue to fall, but I do maintain
my argument that I think I started last week. I
think things are tuning in this country and people are
keen to feel better about life and having rucks and
everyone pays rucks. Would that make it simpler?

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
It's more about making it farer here everybody.

Speaker 19 (01:03:57):
They picked an interviewer that really is on a hiding
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Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
One to eleven on Newstalk ZEDB. Oprah of all people
is going to educate America about AI, about artificial intelligence.
Our text Bert Paul Steinhouse is doing the same thing
for us and as well as now, hey Paul, why
is Oprah getting involved?

Speaker 18 (01:04:23):
Well, she's been doing a lot of these TV stills
over here. She did one recently about ozepic and the
weight loss drugs to sort of educate America about those.
And so Oprah's news special is called AI and the
Future of Us and she has some heavy hitters on
the Show's going to have Bill Gates, who was the
foundercy of Microsoft, and Sam Oltman, who is the CEO

(01:04:47):
of Open Ai, which is the company that created chat GPT.
So she's going to basically explain in everyday terms sort
of how AI works, because I think there's a little
bit of a myth sometimes about how it works and
maybe how magical it is and how you know, human
like it actually is. Right, and then they're also going

(01:05:08):
to talk about the possibilities. So in the good I guess,
the pros, but also the risks that are ahead, as in,
you know, what changes could we see in society, what
changes could we see in the workforce. I'm really looking
forward to it because, well, I think it's going to
be I mean, look, I hope I know most of
the answers to this stuff having followed it very closely,

(01:05:29):
and you know, I have my own thoughts on it,
but I'm really interested to see how it's positioned and
then also how what response.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Is like to it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:05:37):
Yeah, And does it start a conversation where people are
saying to their government, the US government, that they want
some changes or they want something different. It could be
a real it could start a little flame.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Yeah, it could be a bit of a game changer. A.
It's going to be fascinating, Yeah, especial especially with those
kind of interviews. It'll be very interesting. And speaking of AI,
the AI wars are kind of heating up. A.

Speaker 18 (01:05:59):
Yes, it's to kind of like pick your player at
the moment for the big established companies because they they're
doing the AI stuff, but they can certainly see that
there are startups around who are doing quite well.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
Right startups Nimble.

Speaker 18 (01:06:13):
A work in long hours to try to make this
a reality. And Amazon actually has a new Alexa coming
out that is supposed to be an enhanced Alexa. But
according to Royce's reporting this week, Jack, the initial versions
of Amazon's own AI tool said that the assistant was
struggling with words and struggling to respond to the user prompts.

(01:06:35):
So they have now partnered with a startup called Anthropic
to be their new AI partner.

Speaker 11 (01:06:40):
But how are they going to make money out of this?

Speaker 18 (01:06:42):
Always the question, and it's there is some reporting that
they could look to put this enhanced assistant behind a paywalf,
so you could have to pay like five or ten
dollars a month to talk to your Alexa to get
the enhanced service. But I talk about the AI wars
heating up right. Amazon actually already has a minority stake
in that company called Anthropic Open Ai, the maker of

(01:07:03):
chat gpt. They are looking for investment round two at
a cool one hundred billion US scholars It didn't exist
a few years ago. Yeah, and they Apple was interested
in them. Apple interestingly is also planning to integrate chat
gpt into its Suri service, and in Vidia is also
interested and in video is the big supplier of chips Ai,

(01:07:25):
So we really are kind of like we're getting some
little circles going on in this is if you can
start to do the mental map right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Yeah, it's a fascinating time. Thank you, Paul. That is
our texpert, Paul Stenhouse. Yeah, really intriguing. It'll be it'll
be fascinating to see what that what impact Oprah's special
on AI actually has, because I mean, you know, Oprah's
power might have waned a little bit compared to the
absolute healthy in days of her TV show. That being said,
she's still an incredibly influential character in the US. Hey,

(01:07:54):
we said at the start of the show that we've
decided to generously round the season, so that for the
sake of argument, we're going to begin spring tomorrow here
on News Talks, he'd b and after eleven o'clock, our
sustainability expert is going to give us some tips on
sustainable spring cleaning. So spring cleaning that doesn't involve the
very nastiest of chemicals. And I know there are some
people out there who say, oh, you need the nastiest

(01:08:16):
of chemicals to get rid of all the germs and
bugs from around your place, but she says no, no, actually,
there are some simpler things that you can do that
are just as hygienic. So she's going to share those
with us very shortly. Seventeen to eleven. You were jactating
this is news. Doorgs z'edbe no bitter way to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
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Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Edb quarter to eleven non newstalks 'b Bob Campbell is
our master of wine and for his best buy this week,
he's chosen and or to twenty twenty four seven blanc
from Marlborough for sixteen dollars To Bob, why did you
choose this?

Speaker 15 (01:08:53):
Well, so many on blancs might go to wine patically
in the warmer weather, not that we're getting that today,
but it's just is and it's as key we is
as possible to get. This is we're just starting to
see the first of the really excellent twenty twenty four

(01:09:16):
vintage wines called malb particularly from Marlborough, and it's it's
it's looking good. It's the I think that that Sovian
lovers can really really look forward to some treats from this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Yeah, very nice. So what does the A two twenty
twenty four Savignon Blanc taste like?

Speaker 15 (01:09:41):
Well, my notes said say that the early release wine
confirms the general belief that the twenty twenty four was
a cracker of a vintage, right, and it's a criss
refreshing wine with sort of lime zest and passion fruit flavors,
a classic sort of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Marlborough savin Yeah nice, and you reckon at sixteen dollars
it's pretty good value?

Speaker 15 (01:10:06):
Yes I do. It's it's, as I say, a classic
Marlborough sauvignant and at a terrific price.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Yeah, so can you buy it?

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:10:16):
I founded at Glengarry Wines and Auckland. That's the retail
place of fifteen ninety nine, and the Good Wine Company,
also in Auckland, was sixteen ninety nine. Check the supermarkets out,
but when you check the vintage, because they quite often,
maybe they may be running out of twenty twenty twenty

(01:10:41):
three and the twenty twenty four could be slightly better.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
So yeah, okay, what would you match you with?

Speaker 15 (01:10:52):
Great with seafood. I like it with Penn Fried Scott.
I think it's a scollop season starting shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Yeah, it does. Well, I'll just have to check this.
So it starts tomorrow, so perfect timing, really, Bob, maybe
you could go out a little bit of hunter gathering
tomorrow morning and then and then the auto to wash
it down and will it keep? Do you think.

Speaker 15 (01:11:12):
Fish is best? Yes, but it's good for a couple
of years, prehaps more. But but you know as soon
as as soon as I think is the answer there?

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Very nice? Okay, thank you. So Bob's wine once again
is an is an all to twenty twenty four Somnon
Blanc from Marlborough for sixteen.

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Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
I know a man who's going to have an opinion
on the Jack Tame theory of seasonal rounding. Kild a
good morning, Rude climb.

Speaker 20 (01:11:42):
Path seasonal round Hang on, I'm a full disclosure.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
I didn't listen. I've been I've been not feeling too
well and I've been working. But go on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Okay, So here's the theory. The theory is that is
that we acknowledge that spring starts on the twenty third
of September, not on the first of September, but that
for the sake of seasonal rounding, we round Ford for spring.
So we start spring a little bit early on the
first of September, while steep Down acknowledging that technically doesn't
start till the twenty three but we celebrate the first
of September as though it is the beginning of spring.

(01:12:13):
And then at the other end of the seasons, when
we're heading into the cooler months, we push things back
a little bit so we stick with the original dates.
So so, if you like, we round things forward at
the front end, and then we return to the alternative
to the to the actual dates when it gets to
the cooler months.

Speaker 20 (01:12:30):
Do you really think that people that work on television
can do this science.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Just off the top of their head? Why else do
you think we do the first of September?

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yeah, this is true. This is true. I mean, yes,
people who are on TV, in my experience most of
us anyway, can't do much else, thankfully. But yeah, I
mean that they're being said, I'm seeing more and more
blossom around the country, and you know it's I know
that Auckland's had the kind of electrical storms A couple
of times over the last few days, which means they've

(01:13:02):
got to be some cool some some warmer era in
the in the atmosphere as well, so you know there
is reason to feel like spring is starting to spring.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
I love the way you take the mickey out of me. Fabulous.
I think it's.

Speaker 20 (01:13:17):
Brilliant because that's exactly what I think has happened the
last two weeks ago. I thought we talked about earlier
spring and all that sort of stuff, and it was
all to do with my clematis, my Clematis paniculata, which
is one of our seven species of native New Zealand
clematists in au Tierroa. And and I've got I've given

(01:13:38):
a picture to Levey.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
She'll chuck it on the website.

Speaker 20 (01:13:41):
The picture I took after we last week, after we
spoke about this on the twenty fifth of August, shows
you a couple of flowers and a whole lot of
buds going. And I was really excited, like exactly as
you say, the excitement of its becoming spring.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Yeah, and it's early.

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:14:01):
Now, okay, so let's let's first talk about clematists. That's fine.
It's a plant that I personally love dearly. It is beautiful.
It's such a good native climber. It's it's it's a
it's called a one par one anger, which is flower
of the skies, which I think is a lovely Mato
Maori observation word for this thing that grows upwards and

(01:14:25):
gets the flowers right on top of what it climbs on.
And in my situation, it's climbing on an old birch
tree that's dead, by the way, and causing trouble because
it'll die and the old thing will collapse.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
But that's another story.

Speaker 20 (01:14:39):
So that's that is it the flower of the sky
For those people that want to see these white bunucular flowers,
those climatis they go in what they say is moist soil,
cool moist soils. But they have to then climb to
the top of their their climbing rack if you like,
where they make their buds and their flowers in warm,

(01:15:02):
sunny conditions, so cool roots, sunny, sunny head.

Speaker 15 (01:15:06):
If you like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Yeah, right, So what's gonna happen is you've got what
the moment you've got on this this old dead birch, right,
so it's going to collapse at some point. Where would
you use what would you know in an ideal situation,
would you have it climbing on a living tree?

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
Yes, you do.

Speaker 20 (01:15:23):
But the problem with the living tree is that it
wouldn't be as spectacular as it is on a dead
tree that has no leaves.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
Right, because if you have no leaves, you got more sun.
Therefore you get your if you hit more flowers, yeah
you got it. But here comes to thing. So i've
worked last Oh hah, another one.

Speaker 20 (01:15:38):
Last week, I had the Advanced Tree Services at my
place literally cutting down heaps of my gum trees eucalyptus, right,
that would when it's dead. When the tree is dead,
for instance, a dead eucalyptus will stay for probably a
decade or two as still strong enough to hold things
like this, whereas a birch would.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
Go within five years. See that's the difference.

Speaker 20 (01:16:00):
So I would use Acacia eucalyptus, what all that sort
of stuff, especially dead ones of those as you or
climbing wreck for poniculata for that particular clematist. So that's
what it is now. So then I went into the
garden a couple of days ago before I sent all
this stuff off the libby, and I took a photo
of basically the plant as it is now. So what

(01:16:22):
people can see now is today what my clematist looks like.
And here comes to think, if I go through all
my photos on my computer of Clematis puny culata, the
same one, it is always flowering from today onwards.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Really it is.

Speaker 20 (01:16:42):
It's August, yeah, exactly, and so it's just our excitement
of card.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
It looks good that you think.

Speaker 20 (01:16:50):
Oh, bringers here, and that is what the poor people
on the television suffer from.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
This is why you need the jettime theory of seasonal
adjustment or seasonal rounding.

Speaker 20 (01:17:02):
That's why I said you are the best one to
take the mickey out of me, because I was totally wrong.
It's a regular s clockwork.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Yeah, very good. Hey, thank you so much. And we
will make sure to put those photos up on the
on the website. They have beautiful flowers, so we'll make
sure we put them up. People can see them at home.
After eleven o'clock on Newstalks, EDB how to do a
sustainable spring clean without all the bad chemicals. Our sustainability
expert has her top tips as well as that our

(01:17:30):
travel correspondent. It's going to take us all on a
virtual trip to Hawaii's Volcanoes National Park. What a name
May and as well as that before m dang and
to make sure we carve out a little bit of time.
John Legend has a new album and unlike his other
most recent albums, this one isn't full of love songs.
This isn't full of Christmas songs. It's full of kids songs.

(01:17:52):
Father of for John Legend has just released a new
album for children. So we'll play you some of that.
News is next though it's almost eleven. I'm Jack Tame
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Good A good morning, Hello New zeal And. Jack came
with you through to twelve o'clock on News Talks. He'db
if you're just turning on the radio this morning. I
cannot remember a time that the All Backs have been
at such long odds to win a game of rugby union. Yeah,
quoite remarkable exo. Looking at the difference at the moment
the tab odds between the all backs and the spring Box,

(01:18:56):
the spring Box comfortable Favorites. We're going to talk to
our man from Weekends Sport, Jason Pine before midday today
get his thoughts on that, and of course News Talks
is going to have live coverage of the game from
Johannesburg at three o'clock in the morning, So set your alarms. Yeah,
we'll take a close look at that game very shortly.
Right now though it's eight minutes past eleven. Jack Team

(01:19:20):
and now sustainability commentator Kate Hall is leaning in to
spring kind of starting tomorrow with some tips this morning
on sustainable spring cleaning. Calder Kade, Good morning. Yeah, it's
funny a see, I cleaning is one of those things
where I think a lot of us who want to
be a bit more sustainable and you know, be a

(01:19:41):
bit more thoughtful in the way we're using products and things.
Sometimes we are less willing to make sacrifices or compromises
on this front because we feel like, you know, being
sustainable and cleaning means that maybe you're not cleaning stuff
super well. Is that a vibe that you get from
people that you know it's not terribly hygienic to not

(01:20:03):
use really powerful chemicals and that kind of thing.

Speaker 12 (01:20:05):
Totally. It is a vibe I get from people, but
it is absolutely a myth that I like to often
bust because it's totally not It's totally not true. You know,
we can efficiently clean our spaces with really simple products
that are much better for our bodies, you know, in

(01:20:25):
contact with all the different services, and better for the environment.
And like this is coming from me as a person
who's like, I'm one of those nerds. I like to
kind of compare myself to Monika from Friends, you know,
the TV show who you know, she enjoys cleaning up
after a party more than the actual party itself. So
I love cleaning, and I you know, I hold quite

(01:20:48):
high hygiene standards in my life. Yeah, and so you know,
like yeah, so for me, I kind of that's something
I won't compromise on because I think, you know, sustainability
is also about hygiene and having you know, sustainable kind
of cleaning practices. It wouldn't work if we weren't actually
cleaning this stuff, you know, if we were using environmentally

(01:21:09):
friendly products but actually having you know, a dirty home
that made a small circle or something.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
To convince me because I'll be honest, I'm kind of
anal with that sort of thing as well, like convince
me right, my for whatever reason, there is just this
little like nugget in my brain that won't disappear that
says to me, I need to have like something incredibly
powerful and toxic in order to kill all of the

(01:21:35):
germs at my home. And if I'm going to be
spraying and wiping stuff, I want to have like a
product that's going to burn through that you know, that
that benchtop or that surface.

Speaker 12 (01:21:45):
Yeah, well, I mean, firstly for your house, there's something
if you're using something and spraying it, you know, even
the act of spraying it and sometimes you know kind
of air it's kind of everywhere. If that product is
gonna you know, burn the services, burn the germs and
you're inhaling it, that's that is I mean for me,
that's like one of initial kind of draw cards that

(01:22:08):
drew me to some more sustainable cleaning products is I'm
my body is going to be safer. So if you're
covering your house and you're trying to like kill these
germs in a really you know, toxic kind of way, which,
to be honest, if you were to actually question, you know,
why do I think I need these toxic things? You
probably actually, if you were to go down that rabbit hole,

(01:22:29):
it would all go back to marketing. You've been you've
been sold this particular product that you know kills germs,
and you read the ingredients or so you can't read
the ingredients because you know, it's a whole bunch of listen,
list of all these all these items that yeah, can
be casinogenic, you know, like literally a so toxic for

(01:22:50):
our bodies. So the simple like we've been cleaning with
simple ingredients like vinegar, baking, sowha, using the sunshine, you know,
like lemon juice to clean up our stainless steel. We've
been doing this for years and years and years and years, decades,
hundreds of years, you know, and it still works. It

(01:23:12):
often actually works even better because you're using something simple.
It's often just one or two ingredients you can trace
back to like much better where they're sourced, yeah, what
things are made from, and it gets the job done.
Like literally, I have done different kind of comparisons and tests,
especially because I've been house sitting, I've had more accessibility

(01:23:33):
to kind of the mainstream cleaning products that I haven't
put it just for for a few years, and and
you can actually see that the sustainable ones that is
just much much better. My honestly, my favorite product is
it's a cleaning pace, So you're kind of equivalent of
the sustainable giff. I think everyone kind of has, you know,

(01:23:57):
just as a classic tough.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
On grind on those things.

Speaker 12 (01:24:04):
But I have not bought just in my adult life,
so you know, probably never in my life. And instead
I use a mixture of castile soap, baking soda, and
sometimes a little bit of like essential oil just to
make it smell of it mint tea. And it's brilliant,

(01:24:24):
like actually brilliant and actually work. So I think everyone
at this at the you know, right now, they're like, oh,
the weather's warming up, I'm going to do a spring clean.
So it's important to think about what you're using and
go into that spring clean thinking, Okay, how can I
do this the most sustanable way, not just the cleaning
products I'm using, but also you know, not just throwing

(01:24:47):
things out actually really mind talk to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Us about that. But so instead of using like single
used cloth, what do you use?

Speaker 12 (01:24:56):
So I use costs that I just wash and wash
and wash over again, especially when spring cleaning and you're
doing kind of really getting in the growths. You know,
you can use old t shirts, you can cut up
mainly a lot of most of my cloths just cotton
and can go on the compost if they can disintegrate.
A lot of my cloths actually hands knit by my

(01:25:18):
late grandmother or my mother in law, so basically really
brilliant that they last a long time, but again can
go in the composts once they have done their dash.
And yeah, one of the key things against we've talked about.
You know you're wanting to clean stuff, but you're also
often wanting to tidy stuff and get rid of things.
And you know there may be a whole bunch of

(01:25:39):
winter clothes that you thought you would wear and you're going, oh, well,
I should you know, probably donate those. Being really mindful
about not dumping a whole lot of broken, dirty stuff
at second hand shops. You know, they spend millions of
dollars a year on landfill fees because people just we

(01:26:01):
do not have a ideal of shop etiquette in New Zealand.
It's actually quite her.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Effect anyone in their winter clothes now.

Speaker 12 (01:26:09):
Yes, and people get their mentor clothes now and they
don't have huge storage face to all this stuff, and
so it is really a big burden for them because
they're likely not going to sell that and it's just
gonna potentially just get dirty, become potentially unwearable wherever they're
going to try to store it, or they may not

(01:26:30):
even be able to hold onto it and have a
space to saw it, so it might just go to land.
So really thinking carefully about that, not just you know,
in the in the dark of night dropping things outside
sick and handshots, which I see often. It's really yeah,
it's really sad. People think they're doing good thing and
they like to feel good about, you know, donating the

(01:26:53):
staff to someone else. That really most of it will
end up in rubbish if you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
And one of your top don carefully, one of your
top tips or if you go through your spring clean
is to then if you're getting rid of heaps of
stuff and you're clearing out a bit of space, is
not to then fill that space with new stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:27:10):
Yes, oh my goodness, I mean ideally we wouldn't, you know, ideally,
but actually our spring clean would just be cleaning you know,
it wouldn't actually involve the kind of big, deep, Okay,
let's put out the cupboards, let's get rid of all
this stuff. It wouldn't involve that because we would have
been more thoughtful about what's coming in. We want need
to throw out a whole bunch of stuff every year,

(01:27:31):
which I see most families do, and so that needs
for so it is totally about thinking, Okay, now I've
done this, so maybe this was the year and now
I've done this. Actually that was a huge job that
took a lot of time and energy and mental capacity.
How can I make sure that my spring clean next

(01:27:51):
year is actually just me wiping down so fear.

Speaker 5 (01:27:54):
You know?

Speaker 12 (01:27:54):
How can I make sure that I'm not feeling like
I have to fill the rubbish bags again of stuff
that actually haven't you know, brought me joy or how
to purpose in my life? And that enrolls a lot
of time control, a lot of awareness that marketing you
know is clever, and pull them all of our wants
and desires. That's yeah, if we were all just a

(01:28:16):
bit more mindful, we wouldn't be filling up shops for
a whole of broken, dirty, you know, unwanted stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:28:22):
That actually have a.

Speaker 12 (01:28:23):
Better sickn hand economy, and yeah, the environment would be
much happier for it, so would.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Be Yeah, very good, well said, thank you so much.
Kate really appreciate it. That is Kate all our sustainability commentator.
You can find her on all of the social media
platforms as well. You've got great social media by searching
ethically Kate. It is seventeen past eleven. Our travel correspondent
is taking us to Hawaii's Volcanoes National Park.

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He's our travel corresponding. Good morning sir, Good morning Jack.

Speaker 6 (01:28:57):
Prediction Time Bodies by Free.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Okay, I'm glad that you know what I said at
the very start of the show this that I thought
the Springwalk is going to win. I reckon they're going
to win by eleven. But when I said that, I
did that kind of that audible intake of breath, and
I was like, is today a day where I want
to get a thousand texts telling me why I'm wrong
about this, that I don't know anything? And I was like,

(01:29:22):
do I really want to pick that fight? And then
I was very surprised to go on the TAB website
and look at the odds because I am not the
only one picking South Africa. So South Africa is paying
a dollar forty seven at the moment New Zealand the
All Blacks paying two sixty according to the JVV, which
is I reckon, the longest odds that the All Blacks
have had in some time. But yes, you know, we

(01:29:42):
know how difficult it is there. If they can get up.
It doesn't mean I don't want the All Blacks to win.
If they can get up, it would be such a
great victory for them. So he's hunting.

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
I suppose I reckon we might win next week, but
I think Elie Park too tough.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Elis Puk and Joe Berg. Yeah, and given how the
South Africans have been playing over the last couple of weeks, yeah,
it's going to be It's going to be a tricky run,
but hey, you never know, and it will certainly be. Yeah,
be a pretty epic efic test. Newstaloksibia. Of course, life
coverage from three o'clock tomorrow morning. Now we are focusing
on Hawaii's Volcanos National Park, which I reckon is in
terms of the names of national parks has to be

(01:30:18):
right up there. So just how big is Volcanoes National Park?

Speaker 6 (01:30:22):
She is a whopper. If you are planning a jaunt
to the Big Island, you will really want to set
aside some decent time to explore Hawaii's hot seats because,
to put it in context, it's as big as the
entire island of Oahu. So we're talking serious terrain, and
it's the only US national park that can tout tropical

(01:30:45):
rainforest and an active volcano, so a lot of really
novel features to it. One of my guides, the Ejects, said,
the park boasts six of the Earth's thirteen climate zones.
So in terms of scenery and terrain and just sheer variety, Yeah,
I was truly surprised just how varied the place is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Yeah, right, so there are and there are two big
volcanoes there, right.

Speaker 6 (01:31:13):
Yes, so you've got Mana Loa and the more active
Keeler Wayer. What really blew my hair back is that
even though Mana Lola reaches the same altitude as Mount Cock,
she's actually nine thousand meters from tip to toe because
half of her is underneath the ocean, So that actually
makes Mana Lola one thousand meters taller than Mount Everest,

(01:31:36):
which is quite unporting. Oh year, yeah, because there's not
actually much of Everest underneath the ground. But yeah, above
sea level ever obviously is the tallest. But when it
comes to keeth Awayer, this very feisty, effusive neighbor to
Mana Lola, her last major eruption was six years ago,

(01:31:59):
destroyed seven hundred homes. Bang, thanks for coming. But she's
also the land builder, and you will notice this. There
are just one hundred to akers that she created six
years ago, particularly along the coastline where all of that
molten lava meets the sea and it just extends out
the coastline. She did erupt for eight hours in June,
but it was just a very short lived afear. But

(01:32:21):
even when she's not erupting, she is constantly steaming.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Yeah, can you self driver.

Speaker 6 (01:32:27):
Yeah, it's definitely the best way to do it. So
from Helo Airport, it's just a forty five minute drive
into the National Park. So grab a rental from Helo Airport,
head to the aptly named village of Volcano. And I'm
always amused to Jack and I think we've talked about
this before. In American national parks, they are so tailor

(01:32:49):
made to be supremely lazy.

Speaker 5 (01:32:51):
You've got these beautiful.

Speaker 6 (01:32:53):
Paves loop roads that take you around all the attractions,
so yeah, you can enjoy a very lazy panoramic drive.
But for the view of views, you've got to head
to Hallow mau Matouh Crater. And this is like a
crater within a crater. It's where many Native Hawaiians believe
this is where the goddess of fire Pele currently resides.

(01:33:17):
So she smokes by the day and if you strike
it lucky come nightfall, you can see the flickering molten
hallfire glow of that crater's lava lake after dark, which
is absolutely mesmeriz Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Oh that sounds very special. Cool. So what were some
of your favorite attractions?

Speaker 6 (01:33:36):
Yeah, well, another place to head is Steam Vents. That's
another classic viewpoint, and in the cool of dawn, she
is pumping these huge plumes of steam. It's like the
factory inside the National park. And from Steam Vents you
can take a very short walk to Steaming Bluff, very
sort of self expanatory, and this viewpoint it kind of

(01:33:59):
resembles an inferno with steam pouring over the cliffs just relentlessly.
Definitely do a walk called Devastation Trail. Great name kind
of says it all once again. So this was a
rainforest that was incinerated by Keler Wayer about sixty years ago.
So you've got a very scarred landscape, sort of like

(01:34:20):
an ashen gray desert. But just as nature gives with
one hand and takes with the other, this brutal landscape
is being recolonized in front of your eyes. You can
see trees and ferns defiantly rising up from that black dirt.
Place your hands on the ground and you can feel
the hot pot directly beneath you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Oh man, that's yeah, that sounds it. That sounds quite
unique and yeah, quite specially. So there are petroglyphs right
the rock paintings. Yes, are they rock carvings?

Speaker 6 (01:34:53):
Is that the difference they are rest that's correct.

Speaker 5 (01:34:55):
Yep, they've been chiseled.

Speaker 6 (01:34:57):
So there was a place called pooh Ulua petroglyphs and
they've done a brilliant boardwalk loop trail. So obviously the
boardwalkers elevated a bar these vast lava flows so they
don't damage these chiseled drawings, thousands of them. Apparently at
last count there's twenty three thousands of them chiseled into

(01:35:18):
the rocks. They've been done over centuries by native Hawaiians.
Lots of animal and human figures, really fascinating. Another curiosity,
first in lava tube and this is enrobed in rainforests
so beautifully lush. Keep an eye out for the scarlet honeycreeper,
which is a spectacular bird. But the big Kahoona is

(01:35:40):
this gigantic lava tube and it's all been artificially litz jack,
so it feels so ethereal. But these lava tubes have
formed when the outer crust of a lava river hardens,
but the liquid lava beneath that crust continues to gush,
and then after all of that flow has drained out,

(01:36:01):
you are left with this big, hard tunnel like shell.
You can walk through the whole thing today. It is
so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
Oh yeah, oh that's great. Okay. So it would Volcano
House do you Reckon be the best place to stay?

Speaker 6 (01:36:15):
Yes? I would absolutely stress do the national park, not
as a day trip, but for at least an overnight stay.
Definitely check out Volcano house. It's the only larging within
the park. It is actually Hawaii's oldest hotel. It was
first established back in the eighteen forties. So it's got
a very woodsy, sort of super sized bungalow feel, lots

(01:36:37):
of history. So many amazing people have stayed there, you know,
everyone from Mark Twain's JFK. Familiar Earhart, you name it.
But you are literally sleeping on the edge of the crater.
Rim and I would have to say when it comes
to a room with a view, looking out your window
and seeing that molten lava lake, oh yeah, that takes

(01:36:57):
some beating.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
That sounds amazing. So is the volcano. This is the
Volcanoes National Park, volcan a village with volcano house, correct,
So it shouldn't be too hard to get confused there.

Speaker 7 (01:37:13):
They make life easy for you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Yeah they do.

Speaker 13 (01:37:15):
They do.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
That sounds amazing. Hey, thank you so much. Eager to
get up, Mike, I think so.

Speaker 6 (01:37:19):
Jack a tour of Ducy three in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, good work, fear call too. Thank you
so much. Mike Hardley there will make sure all of
his tips for traveling around Hawaii. Volcano Hawaii's Volcanoes National
Park are up and available on the News Talks the website.
It is just coming up to eleven thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
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or Born, just released his first single to his get
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as well from John Legend. He's an Egot winner, so
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Speaker 6 (01:38:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
I can do this? Come on, I can do this.
He's won an Emmy, he's won a Grammy, he's won
an Oscar, and he's won a Tony Award. We got
there produce Olivia. Of course, she's all over it. She
loves she loves John. He's a massive fan from way back,
so she was determined that we would. She was determined
that we would listen to his new album. It's a

(01:39:00):
bit different though. So he's done a couple of you know,
feeling not soppy, but you know, he's done kind of
his life ballads over the last few years. He recently
released a Christmas album and now he's got a kids album,
Father of Four, So he's written some kids songs, will
play you a couple before midday and get our music
reviewers thoughts on that, and then of course after midday
behind the mic for weekends sport, counting down to the

(01:39:22):
All Blacks tonight at Alice Park in joe Burg, Jason Pine,
will we with us? Kelda Party? Kyoda Jack? How are
you feeling about it? I was stunned when I logged
into the tab website this morning and checked out the odds.
So one forty seven for a spring Bok victory, two
sixty for an All Black victory. Oh, I think it's
been a week while since the All Blacks were facing

(01:39:43):
those kind of odds.

Speaker 21 (01:39:44):
I can't remember it too sixty anywhere in the professional era. Actually,
I stand to be corrected obviously, but I can't remember
them being beings as underdoggy an underdog as they will
be at Ellis Park tomorrow. But having said that, I'm
outside of Rugby World Cups check, I can't remember looking
forward to a test match list night. Yeah, yeah, I

(01:40:04):
just I'm so so trusted to see what happens. I
mean with Australia, it's totally a test.

Speaker 15 (01:40:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:40:12):
And this is how you, this is how you test
where you are. You know, the Wallabies have fallen off
a bit of a cliff in the last couple of decades.
They have one of Bladslow Cup for a long time.
So if you want to find out how good the
All Blacks are, you play South Africa in South Africa,
then you'll find out how good we are.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
Look.

Speaker 21 (01:40:26):
I think it's no secret that the All Blacks under
Rasor have been a bit up and down in the
first five test matches. They've had the disruption obviously Leon
McDonald leaving the coaching group. They go into a very
very difficult place in terms of the atmosphere they'll encounter,
the altitude the world champions, who have if anything, got
better this year than they were when they lifted the
William Warebellas Trophy. So you know, it all just points

(01:40:49):
to a terrific as you say, test for this All
Black site.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Yeah, yeah, So any predictions whatsoever? Do you feel? Do
you feel at all like you can make an informed
call as to how things might go down? No? No,
I really don't. I feel you know, and I don't
want to. He's sitting here tomorrow with people thinking I
didn't believe. I mean, I feel like those odds are
may be slightly long for the All Backs. But I

(01:41:15):
think if anyone is looking at this completely bias free,
they would have to say the spring Box are the favorites.
I would have thought, given their performances of the last
couple of weeks, right, and contrasting those with these, you know,
the slightly inconsistent performances of the All Blacks. Yeah, that
being said, is so hard to make a call.

Speaker 21 (01:41:32):
It is, And I think if you're looking for dispassionate analysis,
you go to the bookies, because that's what they're doing.
They're you know, they're they're obviously looking at it through
cool headed logic and saying, well, this is how we're
framing up the market. I you know, I think it's
All Blacks fans. We expect the All Blacks to win
every match.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
Yeah, we just do.

Speaker 21 (01:41:48):
Regardless what's come before or what lies in the future.
We just expect every time they go out that they're
going to win the Test match. I've said to a
couple of people, do you think they would accept the
All Blacks this is a one all series result. It's
part of the part of the Rugby Championship obviously, but
a win and a loss and these two test matches
over the next two weekends and most people say no, no,
they wouldn't even privately that'd say no, we are the

(01:42:10):
All Blacks. We go out to win every single Test match.
And I think the fans are on that band wagon
for the most part as well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
You Yeah, I think so too. Anna Taylor, first New
Zealand medal at the Paris Paralympics, so the metal fantastic.

Speaker 21 (01:42:20):
A yeah, first of a few, I hope. I've just
looked ahead to the head of the to the next
couple of days and there are more medals in the offering.
Really looking forward to watching two poor newfi in the
backstroke to the heater is tonight, the final, I think
at halftime in the rugby tomorrow, so that's worked out
quite well. Around four o'clock, she swims hopefully in the
final to look to defend her her gold medal there.

(01:42:41):
But yeah, it's just I mean, yeah, I just love
I just love the Paralympics. Honestly, I just just marvel
at the at the human spirit on display.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Just terrific. Totally. What's on the show this afternoon?

Speaker 21 (01:42:52):
Sean Fitzpatrick leads us off, looking forward to chatting to
fits the after midday and then Brighton paulser a Springbok
winger of great ability, pace, speed, incisiveness as well. Yeah,
so they're our sort of our main guest. I'm looking
forward to a want of chat with the with the
weekend sport audience, just to gauge the levels of optimism, nervousness, pessimism,
all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Jack very good, looking forward to it, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
Thanks Mite.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Jason Pine behind the mic for a weekend sport He
will be with us right after the midday news. Before
midday we've got that new music view from John Legend
his new children's album and next up your book picks
for this weekend twenty three to twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

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NB News Dogs v twenty one to twelve for message
on the text Jack, Where do I find that an
amazing interview with Sophie Pasco? I want to share it
with my mates easy news Talk ZB dot co dot
Nz Forward slash Jack. That should be up there very shortly,
so if you didn't hear our feature interview with Sophie
Pasco this morning. It was just one of those really
amazing I don't know, kind of yeah. She was just
so open, you know, it's just, you know what, It's

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just it is so nice to speak to, you know,
athletes who have lots of other things in their lives
as well, and you know, who are able to speak
with the kind of eloquence that she did this morning.
So really enjoyed that interview, and that's the place to
go if you would like to hear it. Twenty to twelve.
That means it's time to catch up with Katherin Rain's
our book reviewer. She's got two reads for us this weekend.
Go to Catherine morning Jack. Okay, let's begin with The

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Briar Club by Kate Quinn.

Speaker 10 (01:44:21):
So this is set in the nineteen fifties in America,
where who is They are deep in the paranora of
McCarthyism and deep suspicion, and there's this landlady, missus Nelson,
and she's suspicious of everything, and there's the Korean War
going on in the background, and gangs and crops and
corruption and prejudice and judgment to name a few kind
of strong themes going through this book. And the story

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actually begins in nineteen fifty four at a woman's boarding
house called the briar Wood House on Thanksgiving Day and
a brutal murder occurs, and one of the Borders might
be the culprit, but the identity of the actual victim
no one knows who it is, although they know it
took place in the room of a boarder named Grace March.
And then you jump back four years to nineteen fifty
and you follow thirteen year old Pete Nelson, who shoulders

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only more respon it's abilities than he should at a
young age, to help his mother out as a handyman
at the boarding house, and he takes care of his
sister who has a learning disorder, and so through his
perspective you get to meet all of the Borders. So
Grace March herself, who's this very mysterious widow and she
doesn't talk about her past, but she's really good friends
and manages to create friends with the other Borders. And
there's a young mother, Fliss, whose doctor husband works in

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San Diego, and Nora who's twenty ten weeks for the
National Archives, and many other characters that are kind of
engrossed in this story, and each of them different backgrounds
and dealing with their own demons and secrets and regrets.
And they gather in graces at it Groom for dinners
every Thursday night, and this brings a sense of friendship,
even though the landlady, missus Nielsen, is not particularly pleasant.

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And each chapter alternates between the residents backgrounds and their
current lives, and chapters also told from the perspective of
the house, which adds the sort of supernatural element to it,
and they, you know, and you can tell some stories
and secrets and so that element of the supernatural and
caught up in these lives. And it starts slowly, but
it builds in its intensity in suspense and really interesting

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the way where it ends.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Up, right, Yeah, cool, Okay. So that's The Brier Club
by Kate Quinn. You've also read Girl Falling by Hailey Shrivner.

Speaker 10 (01:46:17):
So this is a psychological thriller, and it's told in
alternating chapters, and the distinguish as either before or after,
and it's about the aftermath of Finn's girlfriend, Mugdo, who
falls to her death while hiking with Finn and Finn's
best friend, Daphne, and you go back in time and
Finn and Daphne are childhood friends and they share this
united by shared grief, and they find their paths diverging

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as they enter their twenties and Finn's falling in love
with Magdo's a newcomer to the group, and her presence
threatens Daphne's control over her best friend, and she feels
her grip on Finn's slipping out, and she begins to
act in these very destructive ways, and their relationship spirals
towards this tragic end where Magdo loses her life, and
the mystery and it lies and whether it's accident, suicide,

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or something much more sinister. Yeah, and Finn's overwhelmed by
Daphne's influence and her great lengths to maintain control. So
what you get is this murder, mystery, thriller, grief, toxic
female best friends and relationships and narratives about her We
tell we are and you have this a lot of
the stories told by Finn, and she's really unreliable in

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the way she tells her story, so it keeps you
guessing right to the end. And those secrets and those
who keep them and how they shape friendships and yeah,
it keeps you on the edge of your seat, and
the interrelationships between the three of them, and how the
story unfolds from the very tragic events at the start.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Right, Okay, cool, that sounds really good, Thank you, Catherine.
So those books Girl Falling by Haley Scrivener and The
Brier Club by Kate Quinn, both of them will be
up on our website at sixteen to twelve. New music
from John Legend just John Eddn't like you've not heard
him before.

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Friends, best friends. You and me weaponds forever.

Speaker 17 (01:48:16):
Friendship makes everything bad. You and me, we stick together,
side by side, forever and ever home my hand. We'll
dance each other through the rain. Without you, my life
just wouldn't be the same. You, my Raine, both in

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the sun sky blue.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
I'm gree for far a friend like you. I mean,
it's a bit cheesy, isn't it. I'm gonna appreciate it.
I'm probably not the target audience. But that's all right.
An amazing voice, incredible musician, No one's doubting that. But yeah,
this is a bit of a different turn for John Legions.

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That's steplomatic, isn't it. He's just released a new album
called My Favorite Dream. That song is called Friendship. As
you may have guessed, this is a song for children,
and Estelle Clifford's been listening to it.

Speaker 22 (01:49:14):
Hey, Estell, I've embraced the cheesy lullaby tones of John Legend.

Speaker 14 (01:49:20):
It has gone there.

Speaker 22 (01:49:21):
I kind of had a laugh about this because there
was probably a time in my life where this would
have been really good, and I reckon it's the whole.

Speaker 14 (01:49:28):
Baby toddler sort of age group for kids.

Speaker 22 (01:49:30):
Yeah, and then my child from about three went full
rock and nineties grunge punk, so I haven't really listened
to subtle music with her for quite some time. But
there is a time and place where parents, grandparents, caregivers, no,
you need some music that isn't over stimulating for your kids. Yeah,
and so why not embrace John Legend. That guy's got

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four children of his own. So if that's what you're
surrounded by at home, the chaos, the madness, then then
go there right, like write some music for children. The
weird thing is this actually started where he did like
this playful little cover of a song. Has It's like
that one of their Fisher and PI call toys play
and I don't know the song my stuff, Like, obviously

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we did not get gifted this fisher and pipe. I
generally don't like too many toys. That it was batteries,
you know, they make a lot of noise. Yeah, yeah,
But anyway, he did a little cover of the song
because his kids really like it, and TikTok went wild.

Speaker 14 (01:50:26):
Everyone's like, you should do a kid's album, and he's like,
you know what, I will good.

Speaker 22 (01:50:30):
So then the album's kind of a mix of some covers,
like he even covers Bob Marley in here, and I'm
kind of like, well, that's cool, but also I'm okay
with my kid listening to the original Bob Marley version.

Speaker 14 (01:50:43):
But I guess he's going with that whole sunny vibe.

Speaker 22 (01:50:46):
He's singing about all the emotions al Tamabeki go through
in one single day, and there's highs and lows very quickly,
and I love that he's going there with a very
positive spin that there's lots of orchestral stuff in Qoie.

Speaker 14 (01:51:00):
It's sort of like opening up the magic music box.

Speaker 15 (01:51:03):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:51:04):
You can imagine you open and the light comes out,
or you're skipping down Sesame Street, like I wouldn't be
surprised if he has a feature.

Speaker 14 (01:51:11):
On Sesame Street. It's some fad.

Speaker 22 (01:51:14):
So what that song there that you played Friendship? It's
actually one of the bonus tracks, so it's very late
in the run for me. I would have liked the
songs he put his bonus tracks to be higher up
in the track listing, right, because the covers are beautiful
and everything, but they've got a little bit more pace
and beat and probably a little bit more playfulness to them.
But I think he chose to go lullaby, and so

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he chose all the songs. It kind of fit yea
and to that, you know, and that's everything you would
imagine John Legend. It's his beautiful voice, it's crooney and swooney,
and and it is exactly the lullab beautiful piano. The
orchestral arrangements are gorgeous, like you know, like on a
morning when you're feeling a bit sensitive and maybe your
child is too it would be quite a nice album.

Speaker 20 (01:51:59):
I can.

Speaker 22 (01:51:59):
I can understand all the emotions he's going through when
he's putting an album together like this, all the end
of the day.

Speaker 14 (01:52:04):
Wind down and chuck it on again.

Speaker 22 (01:52:08):
In our household, we've kind of sometimes gone for quite
upbeat children's albums because we need to shake off our
sillies and get some energy out.

Speaker 14 (01:52:16):
But but I like that he's gone somewhere beautiful for
preschoolers to go.

Speaker 22 (01:52:20):
It's safe, you can put it on and not worry
about what sweet are going to come out of someone's mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
You know, Yeah, that's certainly certainly mummy, Yeah, yeah it's
And look I probably still go this over like a
baby shark or something, you.

Speaker 22 (01:52:34):
Know, absolutely, because the melodies that you're going to get
stuck in your head are quite beautiful songs, and people
will think you're just singing some beautiful John legend totally yeah,
not driving them.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Crazy, friend, And I'll hold your hair, yeah right, like.

Speaker 22 (01:52:48):
As an opposed to psycholoic, I mean, I won't even
start because people you say baby shop and they already
can hear that. So a little less repetitious and something
a little bit different. He's actually now teamed up, I
think with Fisher and Pykel to do something right, Like
I mean, yeah, test the test audience. He's got his household,

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he's finding another way to Yeah, like you say, put
some money in those musical money boxes.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
I'm sure there, I'm at the moment, Yeah, cynical, I should.

Speaker 15 (01:53:20):
I was.

Speaker 22 (01:53:20):
I was literally a little bit like that when I
was listening to it, being like, oh my gosh, it's
you know, it's cheesy, but but some kids things just
are sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:53:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:53:29):
Yeah, yeah, I think I probably would still play a
Nick Moore's Children album that was going to be my
next question, Yeah, because it's a bit different than storytelling
and characters, and I don't always want to sit with
the lullabies.

Speaker 14 (01:53:42):
I think kids need a bit more through an album.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Do you want just a complete off pieced option as well? Yeah,
if you're on Spotify or streaming service, search trap songs
for kids really Yeah, Yeah, there's a whole there's a
whole genre of for any of ourisons who aren't familiar
with trap music, it's kind of a form of like
really kind of grimy R and B hip hop rap

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kind of music. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's from like
from the South, like from from Georgia in the US.
You know anyway, you know that there are no like this,
like trap songs called I Love my Mum and stuff
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
That's so cool.

Speaker 22 (01:54:23):
Yeah yeah, and that's that's kind of probably more our
realm checking out some of the more yeah, fun but
kind of music that you as an adult can stand
to listen to as well.

Speaker 14 (01:54:33):
This is always the hard balance.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.

Speaker 22 (01:54:36):
But if you if you need some quiet moments and
you and you want to have a little bit of
round the piano with with John, then you know.

Speaker 7 (01:54:42):
What do you do?

Speaker 14 (01:54:43):
It's it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Generous seven out of things.

Speaker 14 (01:54:50):
Christmas time when he's got toys coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:54:53):
Yeah, and it's Christmas album, no doubt get re released
for an extra song or two. Hey, thank you very
much a stelle all right, seven out of teen for
my favorite dream by John Legend, like like we say
the right time and place the ride. This could be
a great option. We'll have a bit more of a
listen to it. In a couple of minutes, we'll pick
up one of the good songs. Seven to twelve on Newstalks.

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For everything from our show, you can go to Newstalks

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heb dot co dot nz. You can find us on
Facebook as well. Thank you very much for your company
all throughout the morning. Thanks to my wonderful producer Libby
for doing all the tough stuff and for getting her
favorite muso, John Legend back on the show Fair Call
She Reckons. This album's a dead set ten out of ten,
so there you go. The album is my favorite dream.

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This song is called l O v E. Seeing its
way like sweater?

Speaker 3 (01:56:08):
Aren't you glad to know that You've got love? Love
make shud be brighter? Love Love lose like a fire?
Love Love aren't you inspired?

Speaker 4 (01:56:22):
The Little Life way every day is.

Speaker 3 (01:56:26):
Love yo, love love, love, love, love.

Speaker 17 (01:56:36):
Light, Little life when every day is hell oh he loved.
It's easy to spell, and if you know it for yourself,
you can give it out as well.

Speaker 4 (01:56:52):
Everybody long, love.

Speaker 3 (01:56:57):
Ye love, love, love.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
Love, love.

Speaker 1 (01:57:04):
Blood.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
Little life everyday is love.

Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
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