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August 2, 2024 14 mins

Lime Cordiale are Australia’s ultimate purveyors of breezy indie rock.  

Brothers Oli and Louis have amassed more than half a billion streams on Spotify since the band’s inception in 2009 - as well as bagging multiple ARIA awards and performing around the world.  

They have cemented themselves as standouts, even more so with their brand-new album Enough of the Sweet Talk.   

The brothers joined Francesca Rudkin for a chat about what went into this latest album and their upcoming tour across New Zealand and Australia. 

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast
from News Talks at Me.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Good morning and welcome to Saturday Mornings. I'm Franchesco Budkins
filling in for Jack. Tame for the Morning. Can be
back next Saturday now. Lime Cordial, who you're listening to now,
are Australia's ultimate purveyors of breezy indie rock. Brothers Olie
and Louis have amassed more than half a billion streams
on Spotify since the band's inception in two thousand and nine.

(00:52):
As well as backing multiple ARIA Awards and performing around
the world, they have even cemented themselves as standouts, even
more so with their brand new album Enough of the
Sweet Talk and the Lime Cordial Boys are worth me now.
Good morning, good to have you with.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Us, Good morning, good to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Congratulations third album wall Who.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah, it's crazy, Like I remember doing our first album
and we didn't feel like we were going to be taken
seriously as a band until we had an album out.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
So now we're at number three. Yeah, it's pretty insane.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Tell me a little bit. This is a bit of
a concept album in a way. Tell me a little
bit about sort of what's behind this album because you're
trying to tell it. You're telling a story of a
relationship sort of in a chronological order. Is that right? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:39):
I mean we're still trying to work out whether it
is a concept album or not. I'm still getting familiar
with that term, but it's been thrown around a bit.
And I guess if there's a concept behind an album
as a whole, then you call it a concept album.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Right, what do you.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Think I'm probably showing my age by calling it a
concept album.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I'd say let's go with concept album. It sounds it
sounds good, sounds ardie, it sounds professional.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Do you know what I do? You know what I
love about that, though, is that, you know, I've got
two teenage kids who don't understand anything beyond shuffling an
album and shuffling songs and things, you know, And it
is I grew up in an area and I mean
we still have vinyl these days, but you know, CDs
and vinyl and things. You put an album on and
you listen to it from the beginning to the end,

(02:24):
and it kind of took you on a journey, and
that was sort of the part of the joy of
listening to an album, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
And I mean I think we had maybe the biggest
year of vinyl sales last year ever, So vinyls are
kind of popping off more than ever and people it's
a good sign because people love to have a little
bit more than just a file on their computer or
be streaming it. They want to, yeah, just be a
bit more involved and be able to look through this artwork,

(02:52):
which is really cool to know that that's coming back
more than ever.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
It is nice to have a big physical piece.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Of art in your hand as well.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Absolutely, and listening to an album from front to back.
I think you know, the move from like Napster and downloading,
you know, a song by song when you're on dial
up internet and you can only really download.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
One song at a time.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
You know, now that we're on streaming services, it feels
like people are kind of going, oh, have you heard
this album? I'll put on the whole album. So there's
that does feel pretty great. You know, people are enjoying
getting into a whole thing. But yeah, we've got we've
got a big, big Spotify liked songs list that we

(03:39):
just shuffle through. So there's definitely guilty. We're guilty of
the shuffle, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I think we all are Does the love or the
heartbreak belong to one of you or both of you?

Speaker 5 (03:52):
I think that's the funny thing about doing it together.
It's sort of you know, you have to you have
to separate. You're living the same you know, heartbreaks and
love affairs and you know all of that, and then
you have to come together and talk about it and
try and sort of put that all on paper, and you.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Know, therapy sessions. Therapy sessions we've been calling.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, we've sort of realized that these songwriting sessions are
sometimes the only time we chat about deep issues. You know,
being Australian men, we just like don't go deep all
the time or prefer not to talk about something. But
if it's for the greatness of a song, that's more
important to us. So we end up we end up

(04:35):
talking about these things that we don't always talk about.
But you know, I've been in a relationship for ten
years now, so more of the heartbreak is probably on
Louis's end with this one, unfortunately for him, not unfortunately
for me. I'm only a great time.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Sorry, I don't want to speak on behalf of all
the men of New Zealand, but I'm sure that they
feel very much the same way you do. Was there
any hesidancy going into the third album? I mean, the
first two have just been received so well.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah, you know, we we're really proud of how how
our last albums have gone. And yeah, third album definitely
way more pressure, I think, you know, and our fan
base is bigger, so you're sort of dropping an album
to a bigger fan base. There's definitely you know, it's
definitely what slowed it down at times for sure. And yeah,

(05:30):
when we first started, we wanted to kind of rush
through it. We were like, you know, let's finish this
album before the end of the year, and it was
already September, so we thought we thought we could do it.
And I don't think it really got finished for another
like year and a half or something. We had a
lot of breaks. I think it was important for us
to have to get to a point and then just

(05:50):
sort of sit with it and have a break and
not listen to it. Yeah, not listen to it for
a while, or you know, just listen to it from
the phone speaker instead of in a studio and then
pump it in the car with a few friends, so
just to kind of yeah, I guess, sit with it,
get used to it, get different opinions and different perspectives.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
What I love about the songs, Louis is that there's
there's so much and the all there's all these layers
and instruments and samples and sounds, and you're not and
you don't quite know what's going to come nixed When
you write the songs, do you do you see them
as a whole? Do you hear all those those sounds
or does that work come when you get into the studio.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Well, when we're writing, we tend to write and sort
of produce the song at the same time, so there
are a lot of parts from the from the get
go we're not or we're not really. Yeah, we don't
often just write at a piano or on an acoustic guitar,
although we're sort of trying to do that more because
I think then you really get the essence of just

(06:53):
the song without getting distracted by like a cool synth
part or a hole on line or something like that.
So we yeah, but often, you know, often we might
start with a guitar riff and that's the first thing
that comes and you know, or a cowbell or something
you know, early on.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
So yeah, but I.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Mean we love as tormenting as being in the studio
can be sometimes, you know, listening over and over music
and having your doubts. I think we loved making sounds
and weird sounds. We love being in the studio, and
you know, at some point we're pretty keen to build

(07:34):
our own studio some point soon, just because we have
so many weird and whack instruments that we can bring
into a studio. We did most of this at our
farm on the mid north coast of New South Wales,
and we just take take over the living room, you know,
and you can put all of your keyboards together in

(07:54):
one corner, and then there's the piano in another corner
of the room, and all different guitars that you've got,
and then weird percussion and yeah, so we've got it's
kind of this. We've managed to fill the room with
like mess, mess and beautiful instruments and sounds, and you know,
even went out into the field and recorded a cow

(08:17):
so you can hear that at the end of it.
I did hear that, yeah, yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
So then so then of course now you need to
take all these waking instruments and these sounds, and you
need to turn it into a live show. And of course,
you know, you guys have been performing forever and you're
about to hit out on a really big tour of
Australia and you're coming here to New Zealand and things.
Is that fun? Is that fun? Kind of taking this
album and going okay, now, how do we how do
we play this live? How do we do this?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
We just mind it?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, got the lips thinking.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, one of those little radio marks comes down, yeah, yeah, no,
we're It's scary.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
It's definitely. You know, when you first write the song,
you know how to play it so.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Well, and you're playing it all the time, and then like,
we haven't actually played these songs since we were recorded them,
and that was a little while ago now, so we've
sort of forgotten how to do it, so now you
have to. It becomes a point where you sort of
have to relearn your songs, which sounds sounds crazy to
people that aren't musicians, but I think most bands and

(09:22):
artists they're in the same boat with that, Like I
don't know how to play that song.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
I need to relearn how to do it, so learn
your own song.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah, so that's what we're working on right now, getting
into the studio and sorry, getting into the rehearsal room
and then yeah, going out and playing these songs for
the first time. So it's scary, but it's also like
we need to know how audiences react in venues, so
you know, to really know how the song's going.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
What's the live scene like in Australia. We've got a
lot of big, big artists touring here in New Zealand
who seemed to be doing quite well, but you talk
to a lot of local artists and they say, people,
you know, we've had a bit of a cost of
living crisis and a bit of a struggle after COVID
and it sort of strugg a little bit.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
How was it in Australia, it's the same thing.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Sydney live music scene has changed a lot since we
first started. A lot of venues closed down because we
had a curfew that came in meant that nothing could
go on past whatever it was like eleven or twelve
o'clock at night.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
A lot of venues couldn't survive. And then there was.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
COVID and then there's just a bunch of old conservatives
that are making noise complaints and closing down venues. So yeah,
the Sydney has had a bit of a hard time.
Melbourne has always been the hub for Australian music and
it seems to be that way still.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
I don't know how we managed to not.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Move to Melbourne, but I think if you're in the country,
or maybe if you're in New Zealand and you wanted
to go to a big city, Melbourne's probably the one
to move to arts and culture. But even people get
you know, feel like Australian Australias to all and they
feel like they need to move to la or or
over to Europe or something because there's more avenues. Really,

(11:12):
that's the thing, more avenues and ways of reaching.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
People in different countries.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
But at the same time, I feel like you need
to kind of make your own avenues so you can
hustle and get your get your music out there in
so many different ways. Definitely online, but for us it
was live gigs have been kind of the main thing
for getting out there.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I know that you guys are really conscious too about
this job that you have which sees you touring the
world and things, but you're very focused sort of on
the environment and sustainability. How have those values impacted how
you do your job? Well, we feel like aside from
just making beer, yeah, yeah, carbon neutral beer, carber neutral beer.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
You know, well, I guess the story behind the beer
is that we were making a consumable product and we
felt bad about you know, we don't necessarily want to
put more trash out into the world, so you know,
making that carbon neutral and cans instead of glasses, like
the different different reasons behind how we've done things with
the beer making the same as with our merchandise.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Merchandise we like it to be.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
You know, not polyester and organic cotton or hemp bamboo
if we can, because yeah, you know, like fast fashion
is a big problem.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
And then I think the main thing for us.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
That we feel bad about is air you know, airplanes
just flying all over the world and they obviously you
can't do an electric plane or a green hydrogen plane
over to England right now, but there's still alternatives to
kind of offset. And then if you're looking into offsetting,

(13:03):
you've got to make sure that it's credible and you're
not just ticking the box on quantus and that seems
like you're doing the good thing.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
You got to look into it a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
So.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
It's sort of like every part of the business, and
it's a high carbon producing business that we've got. We
want to keep touring and we want to keep making music,
but we are trying to, yeah, look at each little
area and see where we can do better.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Essentially.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
So, yeah, that's our project at the moment.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Because it's been a delight to talk to you. Thank
you so much for your time, and thank you for
the album. Loving it. You know how music reviewers often
use that term. They often say something sort of isn't
fictious indie pop music? And I always read that and go,
oh yeah, yeah. And I got halfway through the album
and I was like, oh my gosh, this is it.

(13:58):
This is infictious indie pop music. I'm going to listen
to this. I know already. I'm going to listen to
this again and again and again. It put me in
such a great mood. There's something about handclaps. You know,
you're singing about getting cold treatment and his hand claps
and I'm in the cag and I love it, and
I'm thinking, yeah, clapping a lot, loving it Hey, thanks
so much guys.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Thanks for having us. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Lime Cordiell is heading over to New Zealand and October
this year for shows Dunedin, christ Church, Wellington and Auckland.
We have got one double pass to give away to
your nearest show. All you have to do is text
Lime that's Lime with your name and which show you'd
like to attend to ninety two ninety two and we

(14:42):
will be picking a winner before the end of the show.
So it doesn't matter whether you're in need in christ Church, Wellington, Auckland,
WI show you want to go to, we will make
that happen. So we have got one double passed to
give away.

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