September 8, 2024 • 11 mins
Andrew Saville and Guy Heveldt joined Mike Hosking to discuss the fanfare over Tasman Makos getting their mitts on the Ranfurly Shield, the AFL preliminary finals, the NFL getting back underway and the weekend’s Rugby Championship including the All Blacks’ 18-12 loss to the Springboks and Argentina thrashing Australia 67-27.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Guy Belt as with us along with Andrews havevill. Good
morning to you morning, didn't ast you last week? How's
your new job going?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
That's great? Thank you. Had a very big weekend doing
well co hosting I suppose the Saturday coverage and then
we had our first edition of our new show weigh
In on track Side on Sunday morning, and then yesterday
I m Seed co em ced the Horse of the
Year Awards down in Hamilton. So it's been a big
(00:28):
couple of days but it's been outstanding.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Who he still allowed to gamble?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Good question?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Good? Quite can Yeah? I'm allowed? Yeah? Yeah? Who won
the award? Imperators did probably no surprise to people who
follow racing. She was outstanding last season and went to
Australia and beat their best sprinters and was rated the
highest rated mayor in the world at one point. She
is a phenomenal horse and so she scooped a lot
(00:54):
of the awards. But it was a great night. Peter
and Dawn Williams, who have been long servants to New
Zealand racing, the Contribution to Racing award, which I think
was a whole lot a highlight for many.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The we noticed Tarah's voices changed a bit. Mike, he's
studying to look like this and he's doing a racing
commentator and they're coming around the bend and.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
He's a different he's a different person. Speaking of celebrations,
I said, you cannot beat the reaction that you saw
with the Randfury Shield. I mean when they one night,
that's just like everything, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, no matter what people say about it, and how
many people turn up to watch these shield games, I
think it was a good crowd in Napier two unbeaten teams.
Tasman never won it before. I think they started in
six when Nelson and Mulbry combined. But yeah, just to
see the delight on the players faces, it was a
fantastic kick to win the game. So there's still a
(01:46):
romanticism about the about the Ranfordy Shield. It means a
heck of a lot to provincial teams and players, and
we saw that on on Saturday night, and then when
they brought it back to Nelson yesterday, there was a
lot of fan fear and a lot of locals out
to support them. So I thought it was fantastic, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
It's funny it's funny make I couldn't give a toss
about provincial rugby in these days. I really struggle with it.
I find it quite boring. I struggle with the product.
But I saw that pop up on my social media.
I think it was didn't see the game live, and
it kind of stir these emotions, like just seeing a
team get so wild about a trophy that's been around
for so long. There is still something in some mystique
(02:24):
about the ram Fairley Shield that just draws you in,
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
There wasn't, and there was an intensity in that game,
just different to a usual provincial game. And that's what shield.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Does exactly right, which which pales into insignificance despite its
excitement to what I saw my highlight of the weekend
that I discovered purely by accident, and okay, you hit
the buzzer if you know the answer. It is a
game played in front of a full crowd. It's the
culmination of almost the culmination of the season. It was
(02:56):
a preliminary final. It's the biggest bought in that particular country,
and it was probably the greatest game of that particular
sport you will ever see. What did I watch was
its ruled well done, very well done. It was Swan's v. Giants,
and the Giants led the entire game, and not by
(03:19):
a bit, by a lot, and so it was over
until it wasn't. And then the Swan started coming back
and it was like it was like a fifteen to
twenty minute comeback, and they kept coming back and kept
coming back and kept coming back until they scored the
goal that equaled the game with only about a minute left.
And then they scored the goal that won the game.
And it's like it's it's it's won for the ages.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, and we'll see that in the NRL in the
coming weeks too. What about that opening game of the NFL,
the toe nail in it? It was brilliant, the great
the Kansas game, yep.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That was that was that was a TD until you
saw his toe where it wasn't. It was the difference
between it was a game one versus we just lost.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
If ever you wanted a game to open your regular
season and attract even more attention, that was the game.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Couldn't agree more. And in fact, that the game on
Saturday our time, the Eagles Packers, that was equally good too.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So they're underway for another season. And let me tell
you tell you do you know what else I watched
over the weekend which you cannot see on New Zealand television,
which is a crime. Was the snooker in Saudi Arabia. Now, why,
when there's so many channels to watch sport, you wouldn't
have a tournament that big that you can't watch.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Was a world series.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It was the Saudi Arabian master's biggest prize money ever.
The Saudis have bought the sport basically, and you go
there and win a million bucks and stuff like that.
But all the players were there. Every player in the
world was there, Every single player, the best players in
the world was there, were there, and you just cannot
see it on New Zealand television at all.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Isn'tis haven't purchased exactly?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
That's I see. I was thinking, I was thinking about that,
and I was thinking, does it do you? Does anyone? Honestly?
I mean, it's the it's the it's the politically correct
thing to go or it's not very acceptable, But honestly,
does anyone care if if they've got the money and
they not.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
These days and it's not as if China's above borders
and they and they get a few sports events as well.
I think it's only a matter of time. And I
don't know how long this will be, maybe another thirty
years or so, until Saudi Arabia is hosting every Olympics
they can afford it. They'll have, you know, all these
amazing venues all.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
The Middle East. It won't be Saudi Arabia, it'll be
the Middle East in general. But I mean, right now,
I think I think the start of it was the
World Cup, wasn't it. And once you pay for that
and you can play it in the heat, that's in
human and no one seems to care and you're just
build an indoor stadium or seven. You sort it, don't you?
As simple as that? Right o? Sab your take on
the All Blacks.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I thought it was an outstanding game, again like Joe Burg,
but very very similar. There are some glimmers of hope
in this All Black team, but there's also some ongoing
concern clearly that they're not scoring in the last quarter
of games. There's a there's a mental breakdown, there's a
there's a I think the breakdown between some of the players,
(06:02):
the use of the bench is curious. I thought they
brought some players on too early in Johannesburg and then
Capet and I thought they brought a couple on too late.
So that's a real balancing act which I think the
new coaches aren't getting right. There seems to be patches
of the game where they're indecisive. The high ball, they
weren't very good under. They didn't claim reclaim high kicks.
(06:24):
There's there's a few, fair few issues in there, Mike.
Will they sort it out against the Wallabies? I'd say so.
If they can't beat the Wallabies twice, then there has
to be even more serious questions asked. But there there
are some. It's it's concerning because the same thing seems
to be happening over and over again.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I agree with that last point. I mean, look for me,
I go back to it again. Discipline, and yes, they
didn't concede as many penalties in terms of the discrepancy
between the two sites. So their discipline against South Africa
in that regard was probably they've given away fo penalties
and exactly and two yellow cards. You cannot hope to
beat South Africa in South Africa with fourteen men on
(07:04):
the Park for twenty minutes of the game. It's just
not going to happen. And they were dumb yellow cards
as well. Just so silly what I would say though,
and I tend to agree with sav there are some
big questions around not being able to finish games, but
they've got bloody close to beating what is clearly the
best team in the world two games in a row
now in South Africa. They haven't won them. I get that,
but it's not as if, I mean, you don't have
(07:26):
to go and change everything that you're doing. They're not
that bad. They're still a pretty good team, and I
think once they can figure out a few issues here
and there, I think they'll be a very frequent thing.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
The new coaches, Mike is still betting in. I think
the new management is still betting in. Things appear to
be a little more calm, but that just takes time.
I think it's been still a massive wake up call
going from Super rugby into test match football for a
lot of these coaches and management. Look. I looked at
that game and I came away from that game thing
(08:00):
if the All Blacks would lose three or four of
those key players, I think this team's stuffed. I don't
know if the players are coming through in great numbers.
I have a concern for that long term future of
the All Black team. Let's face it, if the All
Blacks keep on losing, it loses the luster of that
(08:20):
Jersey team.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Hold on before you get too despondent. I mean they've
lost to South Africa, who are the best side in
the world. I mean if they beat England, they beat
fig they tripped up against arg.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I'm looking at I'm looking at that team on the
field that I'm looking long term and taking a few
of those names out, thinking what does what future look like?
And yes, the South Africans they're an extraordinary team. They're
on a massive high. They've got huge depth, very well
coached and every word that comes out of Sea Calisi's
mouth is inspirational, isn't it. You go over the top
for that captain. And then someone in rugby said recently
(08:53):
to me that it looks as though clearly the South
Africans are playing for fifty five million and are hugely
passionate about that. The All Blacks appear to be playing
to win.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I think your depth point that you were just talking about,
I think we're seeing at the moment in terms of
they've got fifteen players there that they can put on
the park at any time, but then they have to
put some of them on the bench, and whoever they
put on the bench in whatever capacity, whatever combination, they
don't seemingly have enough players. This is what I'm trying
to say. They don't simminly have enough players to sustain
at twenty three right now to be right at the
(09:26):
top level. I think that's the concern. And then the
other when as.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
You look at the South Africans, they've probably got three,
they've got two or three starting fifteen, which which you
look back to twenty eleven, twenty fifteen, maybe twenty nineteen
with the All Blacks, that's what the All Blacks had
as well.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And then that's the other concern for me. They're going
to have to keep trying to find the perfect combination,
so that's going to mean more changes every week, and
you can't get much consistency for these players if they're
not playing with the same combinations every week. So that's
where the concern for me comes. How on earth they
balance finding the right combination but not making too many
changes week to week.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Dallas Open this afternoon. I'll be watching that. Dak Prescott's
been paid sixty million bucks a year.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
What's he? What's he? It's an extraordinary salary for guy.
What had he done?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's very good question, and that's one of the great
debates in the Generally, a quarterback's worth fifty million ish
a year and he's worth sixty and they haven't won anything.
And I don't know. I don't know how you explain it.
I don't know how to explained Jerry Jones either. But
therefore he's the man with the money. So he does
what he.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Wants every Monday for you now through until December January.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well, to be fair, it's Friday, Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
But left that for cars blends into the NFL blend.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It's just it's just it's just I'm living the dream.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
You're off to Oasis, Well we go.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Why do you need to bring up domestic matters? Why
do you need to just get that little knife out
and prick me in on Monday morning? Having look, I
don't know, I'm not going to Oasis. The question is
whether we go to Britain as some sort of helicopter arrangement.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
But what you're doing is someone will sell a ticket.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You got to go, and where's where's the concert?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Manchester?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
That's the end I'd be sending. I'd be sending both
pearents to Manchester. You've ever been Tomnchies, Yeah, my god.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I stayed at a hotel outside across the road from
the stadium, Manchester United Stadium, and at the back of
the hotel was a canal and I lost counter of
the number of condoms bodies just like back into Manchester. Really,
you don't want to go. They're nice to see you, guys.
Andrew Sevil Guy head Belt.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
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Guy Belt as with us along with Andrews havevill. Good
morning to you morning, didn't ast you last week? How's
your new job going?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
That's great? Thank you. Had a very big weekend doing
well co hosting I suppose the Saturday coverage and then
we had our first edition of our new show weigh
In on track Side on Sunday morning, and then yesterday
I m Seed co em ced the Horse of the
Year Awards down in Hamilton. So it's been a big
(00:28):
couple of days but it's been outstanding.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Who he still allowed to gamble?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Good question?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Good? Quite can Yeah? I'm allowed? Yeah? Yeah? Who won
the award? Imperators did probably no surprise to people who
follow racing. She was outstanding last season and went to
Australia and beat their best sprinters and was rated the
highest rated mayor in the world at one point. She
is a phenomenal horse and so she scooped a lot
(00:54):
of the awards. But it was a great night. Peter
and Dawn Williams, who have been long servants to New
Zealand racing, the Contribution to Racing award, which I think
was a whole lot a highlight for many.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The we noticed Tarah's voices changed a bit. Mike, he's
studying to look like this and he's doing a racing
commentator and they're coming around the bend and.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
He's a different he's a different person. Speaking of celebrations,
I said, you cannot beat the reaction that you saw
with the Randfury Shield. I mean when they one night,
that's just like everything, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, no matter what people say about it, and how
many people turn up to watch these shield games, I
think it was a good crowd in Napier two unbeaten teams.
Tasman never won it before. I think they started in
six when Nelson and Mulbry combined. But yeah, just to
see the delight on the players faces, it was a
fantastic kick to win the game. So there's still a
(01:46):
romanticism about the about the Ranfordy Shield. It means a
heck of a lot to provincial teams and players, and
we saw that on on Saturday night, and then when
they brought it back to Nelson yesterday, there was a
lot of fan fear and a lot of locals out
to support them. So I thought it was fantastic, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
It's funny it's funny make I couldn't give a toss
about provincial rugby in these days. I really struggle with it.
I find it quite boring. I struggle with the product.
But I saw that pop up on my social media.
I think it was didn't see the game live, and
it kind of stir these emotions, like just seeing a
team get so wild about a trophy that's been around
for so long. There is still something in some mystique
(02:24):
about the ram Fairley Shield that just draws you in,
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
There wasn't, and there was an intensity in that game,
just different to a usual provincial game. And that's what shield.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Does exactly right, which which pales into insignificance despite its
excitement to what I saw my highlight of the weekend
that I discovered purely by accident, and okay, you hit
the buzzer if you know the answer. It is a
game played in front of a full crowd. It's the
culmination of almost the culmination of the season. It was
(02:56):
a preliminary final. It's the biggest bought in that particular country,
and it was probably the greatest game of that particular
sport you will ever see. What did I watch was
its ruled well done, very well done. It was Swan's v. Giants,
and the Giants led the entire game, and not by
(03:19):
a bit, by a lot, and so it was over
until it wasn't. And then the Swan started coming back
and it was like it was like a fifteen to
twenty minute comeback, and they kept coming back and kept
coming back and kept coming back until they scored the
goal that equaled the game with only about a minute left.
And then they scored the goal that won the game.
And it's like it's it's it's won for the ages.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, and we'll see that in the NRL in the
coming weeks too. What about that opening game of the NFL,
the toe nail in it? It was brilliant, the great
the Kansas game, yep.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That was that was that was a TD until you
saw his toe where it wasn't. It was the difference
between it was a game one versus we just lost.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
If ever you wanted a game to open your regular
season and attract even more attention, that was the game.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Couldn't agree more. And in fact, that the game on
Saturday our time, the Eagles Packers, that was equally good too.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So they're underway for another season. And let me tell
you tell you do you know what else I watched
over the weekend which you cannot see on New Zealand television,
which is a crime. Was the snooker in Saudi Arabia. Now, why,
when there's so many channels to watch sport, you wouldn't
have a tournament that big that you can't watch.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Was a world series.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It was the Saudi Arabian master's biggest prize money ever.
The Saudis have bought the sport basically, and you go
there and win a million bucks and stuff like that.
But all the players were there. Every player in the
world was there, Every single player, the best players in
the world was there, were there, and you just cannot
see it on New Zealand television at all.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Isn'tis haven't purchased exactly?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
That's I see. I was thinking, I was thinking about that,
and I was thinking, does it do you? Does anyone? Honestly?
I mean, it's the it's the it's the politically correct
thing to go or it's not very acceptable, But honestly,
does anyone care if if they've got the money and
they not.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
These days and it's not as if China's above borders
and they and they get a few sports events as well.
I think it's only a matter of time. And I
don't know how long this will be, maybe another thirty
years or so, until Saudi Arabia is hosting every Olympics
they can afford it. They'll have, you know, all these
amazing venues all.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
The Middle East. It won't be Saudi Arabia, it'll be
the Middle East in general. But I mean, right now,
I think I think the start of it was the
World Cup, wasn't it. And once you pay for that
and you can play it in the heat, that's in
human and no one seems to care and you're just
build an indoor stadium or seven. You sort it, don't you?
As simple as that? Right o? Sab your take on
the All Blacks.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I thought it was an outstanding game, again like Joe Burg,
but very very similar. There are some glimmers of hope
in this All Black team, but there's also some ongoing
concern clearly that they're not scoring in the last quarter
of games. There's a there's a mental breakdown, there's a
there's a I think the breakdown between some of the players,
(06:02):
the use of the bench is curious. I thought they
brought some players on too early in Johannesburg and then
Capet and I thought they brought a couple on too late.
So that's a real balancing act which I think the
new coaches aren't getting right. There seems to be patches
of the game where they're indecisive. The high ball, they
weren't very good under. They didn't claim reclaim high kicks.
(06:24):
There's there's a few, fair few issues in there, Mike.
Will they sort it out against the Wallabies? I'd say so.
If they can't beat the Wallabies twice, then there has
to be even more serious questions asked. But there there
are some. It's it's concerning because the same thing seems
to be happening over and over again.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I agree with that last point. I mean, look for me,
I go back to it again. Discipline, and yes, they
didn't concede as many penalties in terms of the discrepancy
between the two sites. So their discipline against South Africa
in that regard was probably they've given away fo penalties
and exactly and two yellow cards. You cannot hope to
beat South Africa in South Africa with fourteen men on
(07:04):
the Park for twenty minutes of the game. It's just
not going to happen. And they were dumb yellow cards
as well. Just so silly what I would say though,
and I tend to agree with sav there are some
big questions around not being able to finish games, but
they've got bloody close to beating what is clearly the
best team in the world two games in a row
now in South Africa. They haven't won them. I get that,
but it's not as if, I mean, you don't have
(07:26):
to go and change everything that you're doing. They're not
that bad. They're still a pretty good team, and I
think once they can figure out a few issues here
and there, I think they'll be a very frequent thing.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
The new coaches, Mike is still betting in. I think
the new management is still betting in. Things appear to
be a little more calm, but that just takes time.
I think it's been still a massive wake up call
going from Super rugby into test match football for a
lot of these coaches and management. Look. I looked at
that game and I came away from that game thing
(08:00):
if the All Blacks would lose three or four of
those key players, I think this team's stuffed. I don't
know if the players are coming through in great numbers.
I have a concern for that long term future of
the All Black team. Let's face it, if the All
Blacks keep on losing, it loses the luster of that
(08:20):
Jersey team.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Hold on before you get too despondent. I mean they've
lost to South Africa, who are the best side in
the world. I mean if they beat England, they beat
fig they tripped up against arg.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I'm looking at I'm looking at that team on the
field that I'm looking long term and taking a few
of those names out, thinking what does what future look like?
And yes, the South Africans they're an extraordinary team. They're
on a massive high. They've got huge depth, very well
coached and every word that comes out of Sea Calisi's
mouth is inspirational, isn't it. You go over the top
for that captain. And then someone in rugby said recently
(08:53):
to me that it looks as though clearly the South
Africans are playing for fifty five million and are hugely
passionate about that. The All Blacks appear to be playing
to win.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I think your depth point that you were just talking about,
I think we're seeing at the moment in terms of
they've got fifteen players there that they can put on
the park at any time, but then they have to
put some of them on the bench, and whoever they
put on the bench in whatever capacity, whatever combination, they
don't seemingly have enough players. This is what I'm trying
to say. They don't simminly have enough players to sustain
at twenty three right now to be right at the
(09:26):
top level. I think that's the concern. And then the
other when as.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
You look at the South Africans, they've probably got three,
they've got two or three starting fifteen, which which you
look back to twenty eleven, twenty fifteen, maybe twenty nineteen
with the All Blacks, that's what the All Blacks had
as well.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And then that's the other concern for me. They're going
to have to keep trying to find the perfect combination,
so that's going to mean more changes every week, and
you can't get much consistency for these players if they're
not playing with the same combinations every week. So that's
where the concern for me comes. How on earth they
balance finding the right combination but not making too many
changes week to week.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Dallas Open this afternoon. I'll be watching that. Dak Prescott's
been paid sixty million bucks a year.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
What's he? What's he? It's an extraordinary salary for guy.
What had he done?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's very good question, and that's one of the great
debates in the Generally, a quarterback's worth fifty million ish
a year and he's worth sixty and they haven't won anything.
And I don't know. I don't know how you explain it.
I don't know how to explained Jerry Jones either. But
therefore he's the man with the money. So he does
what he.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Wants every Monday for you now through until December January.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well, to be fair, it's Friday, Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
But left that for cars blends into the NFL blend.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It's just it's just it's just I'm living the dream.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
You're off to Oasis, Well we go.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Why do you need to bring up domestic matters? Why
do you need to just get that little knife out
and prick me in on Monday morning? Having look, I
don't know, I'm not going to Oasis. The question is
whether we go to Britain as some sort of helicopter arrangement.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
But what you're doing is someone will sell a ticket.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You got to go, and where's where's the concert?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Manchester?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
That's the end I'd be sending. I'd be sending both
pearents to Manchester. You've ever been Tomnchies, Yeah, my god.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I stayed at a hotel outside across the road from
the stadium, Manchester United Stadium, and at the back of
the hotel was a canal and I lost counter of
the number of condoms bodies just like back into Manchester. Really,
you don't want to go. They're nice to see you, guys.
Andrew Sevil Guy head Belt.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
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news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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