Prayer services are taking place around the world in memory of Pope Francis.
The head of the Catholic Church died overnight at the age of 88, following a stroke, coma, and subsequent heart failure after a battle with double pneumonia.
Vatican correspondent Edward Pentin says two weeks of rituals and ceremonies are now underway.
He told Mike Hosking that will begin with nine days of mourning.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Even as you've heard the pipe. Francis died last night
our time. He was eighty eight. Is recent health battles
well documented, but he was out and about over the
Eastern weekend. He met with, among others, the US Vice President.
Of course, in the last couple of days that it
can correspond ed. Would Penton is whether said very good
morning to you?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Can we describe this as a surprise given we have
seen him out and active.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, it was a surprise because obviously we just saw
him yesterday, as you say, he met jd Vance, the
Vice President and the US and delivered well he didn't
delivered albi at AUBI, but he did greet the pilgrims.
So yes, we thought he was he was sort of okay.
But in the end, at the same time, it wasn't
a surprise because we know that he's been failing quite
(00:44):
considerably since well since his operation back in twenty twenty one,
but certainly in the past a couple of months, since
he was hospitalized for several weeks.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
How was the new shared and received in your part
of the world in Rome, well.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
A lot of sadness. Of course, the church now undergoes
a few days of mourning, official mourning, and the death
of a pope is always a sad moment for the faithful,
but they will soon be the funeral. The funeral is
expected to be probably on Saturday, and then the General Congregations,
(01:20):
which is when the cardinals get together to discuss the
priorities of the church, that begins probably on Monday, and
then we'll have probably the beginning of the Conclave the
following week.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
His reputation and legacy, what are they saying, Well, I.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Think it's very much a mixed one. I think the
general consensus is that he tried very hard to open
the church's doors to the people who probably wouldn't otherwise
look at the church, and try to make the church
attractive to those who simply would never give the church
a second glance. I think that was his great mission,
(01:57):
as it were, He was a great He really wanted
to evangeli and bring the Church's message to those people.
On the other hand, he was seen very much also
within the church as a divisive pope. I think he
caused a lot of concerns because he he didn't actually
bring along many of the faithful along with him as
(02:17):
part of this mission, and in fact, he alienated many
of those who on the traditional orthodox side of the
church and didn't really manage to bring them along with him.
So there was a great sort of division there between
between those who were pushing for these reforms that he
was wanting to do and those who were trying to
keep him more grounded in doctrine and the traditions of
(02:40):
the faith.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
From what I can gather, there is no stand out
candidate going forward. Is that a fear assessment or not?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Sorry? No? What again?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
No stand out candidate? In other words, when they go
to vote, there's no hobbies.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
No, that's true, and I think this is going to
be one of the most interesting conclaves in recent history
because there there is no single candidate that the Pope
has chosen many. He chose many candidates from the developing world,
from the global South, who aren't known at all very well,
and usually from sees that aren't usually episcopates, so cardinalationial
(03:18):
sees rather, so he's chosen a wide variety of cardinals
who I think will be which make it very difficult
to predict who could be elected the next pope. On
the other hand, there are certain candidates who are leading
the way. I've been part of a project called the
College of Cardinals report dot com, which you can see
(03:40):
where you can see all the cardinals and all their profiles,
and you can see which ones are leading and which
ones are considered to be probably more bigger contenders than
the others.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
All Right, we'll go there, and I appreciate your insight
very much. Edward Pinton, who's Vedican correspond National Catholic registered.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
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Even as you've heard the pipe. Francis died last night
our time. He was eighty eight. Is recent health battles
well documented, but he was out and about over the
Eastern weekend. He met with, among others, the US Vice President.
Of course, in the last couple of days that it
can correspond ed. Would Penton is whether said very good
morning to you?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Can we describe this as a surprise given we have
seen him out and active.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, it was a surprise because obviously we just saw
him yesterday, as you say, he met jd Vance, the
Vice President and the US and delivered well he didn't
delivered albi at AUBI, but he did greet the pilgrims.
So yes, we thought he was he was sort of okay.
But in the end, at the same time, it wasn't
a surprise because we know that he's been failing quite
(00:44):
considerably since well since his operation back in twenty twenty one,
but certainly in the past a couple of months, since
he was hospitalized for several weeks.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
How was the new shared and received in your part
of the world in Rome, well.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
A lot of sadness. Of course, the church now undergoes
a few days of mourning, official mourning, and the death
of a pope is always a sad moment for the faithful,
but they will soon be the funeral. The funeral is
expected to be probably on Saturday, and then the General Congregations,
(01:20):
which is when the cardinals get together to discuss the
priorities of the church, that begins probably on Monday, and
then we'll have probably the beginning of the Conclave the
following week.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
His reputation and legacy, what are they saying, Well, I.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Think it's very much a mixed one. I think the
general consensus is that he tried very hard to open
the church's doors to the people who probably wouldn't otherwise
look at the church, and try to make the church
attractive to those who simply would never give the church
a second glance. I think that was his great mission,
(01:57):
as it were, He was a great He really wanted
to evangeli and bring the Church's message to those people.
On the other hand, he was seen very much also
within the church as a divisive pope. I think he
caused a lot of concerns because he he didn't actually
bring along many of the faithful along with him as
(02:17):
part of this mission, and in fact, he alienated many
of those who on the traditional orthodox side of the
church and didn't really manage to bring them along with him.
So there was a great sort of division there between
between those who were pushing for these reforms that he
was wanting to do and those who were trying to
keep him more grounded in doctrine and the traditions of
(02:40):
the faith.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
From what I can gather, there is no stand out
candidate going forward. Is that a fear assessment or not?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Sorry? No? What again?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
No stand out candidate? In other words, when they go
to vote, there's no hobbies.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
No, that's true, and I think this is going to
be one of the most interesting conclaves in recent history
because there there is no single candidate that the Pope
has chosen many. He chose many candidates from the developing world,
from the global South, who aren't known at all very well,
and usually from sees that aren't usually episcopates, so cardinalationial
(03:18):
sees rather, so he's chosen a wide variety of cardinals
who I think will be which make it very difficult
to predict who could be elected the next pope. On
the other hand, there are certain candidates who are leading
the way. I've been part of a project called the
College of Cardinals report dot com, which you can see
(03:40):
where you can see all the cardinals and all their profiles,
and you can see which ones are leading and which
ones are considered to be probably more bigger contenders than
the others.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
All Right, we'll go there, and I appreciate your insight
very much. Edward Pinton, who's Vedican correspond National Catholic registered.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news Talks at B from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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