Full Show Podcast: 03 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Breakfast Show You Can Trust, the mic Hosking Breakfast
with the range Rover, the la designed to intrigue and
use togs Head bart.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Today, the pm ont soul of zero job expectations and
paying for people to hunt for oil. How bads the
bird flew More lawyers required as the Supreme Court over
rules the Appeal Court on customary title I having Cleary
talks success and winning after right Captain Field and France
and Rod Liddle is in.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Morning seven past six. Fluoride funny old thing. I like
it personally, not too much, just enough to help out
in the water. Not everyone, of course, she has that view,
but science is on the right side of things, I
think generally. Before he left his job, Ashley Bloomfield, you
remember him, he issued an edict to a number of
councils to fluoridate the local water. He had the power
to compel them to do this. Most have. Some have
had a little bit of ankst around at Tarron and

(00:50):
recently wasn't thrilled. But the problem was if you didn't
or don't, you can be fined a couple of hundred
thousand dollars, and then ten thousand dollars a day for
each day after that if you don't follow the rules.
Fung Array on Friday voted not to Their argument was
several folds. By the way it was type vote seven
to six. Public gallery was full. I can bet who
it was full of. Anyway. The mayor says fluoride won't

(01:12):
help the local area's dental hygiene, which is of course
complete nonsense and probably why we have people specializing in
the health area as opposed to counselors who generally specialize
in nothing. They also argued the area doesn't want it.
A decent question to ask is does that matter? I mean,
are there areas and issues where the local authorities don't
get us safe, kind of like we don't get to
set our own speed limits, or whether we pay our taxes,

(01:35):
or do you argue at local level democracy is everything?
Mind you, even if you dig it did argue that
they didn't poll everyone, so who knows what the locals
and totality think. Interesting thing for me is is this
an issue you really want to die on a hill over?
If you're a council in the northern part of this country,
are you honestly telling me this is as pressing as
it gets. Forget the dilapidated state of the place, the

(01:57):
fact that it gets cut off from the country too often,
the grinding poverty, the health issues. How long do you
want the list? No, no, no, we will defy Wellington
and get fined over flu right. See, too many councils
nationally of late are not giving local representation a good name,
and this loss aren't helping.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Now he is the first.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
He won't be the last. But a Biden wanted to
trash his rep once and for all. He's done it.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
Probably the worst president in US history, but.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
Also the most corrupt.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's why he's continuing to go ahead and push forward
with his two tiered justice system.

Speaker 6 (02:31):
We lied to us repeatedly saying here he wouldn't pardon Hunter.

Speaker 7 (02:34):
I figured he would.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
It makes the Trump pick for a g Pam Bondi
of Florida looking consequential.

Speaker 8 (02:39):
People that need to worry about Pam Bindy are the
ones who want to use laws the law for the
political purpose. Those in the Department of Justice who really
want to make the Department of Justice an extension of politics.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Syria looks on and I Fidge generally thought of sides
in real trouble. This time around, the Iranians and Russians,
of course, are preoccupied. Turks aren't from anchors Persenta, so
this vacuum will be either filled by.

Speaker 9 (03:03):
The other Iranian militias probably come in from Iraq, the Kurts,
the Syrian democratic forces backed by the United States.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Now, if you're watching the NFL yesterday as I was,
Buffalo took on San Francisco, why do I mention that?
Will you will have noticed the field was white.

Speaker 10 (03:19):
We've had nearby Casadega. Now four and a half feet
of snow. It's still coming down. Another band has moved
in and this is your workout this morning, guys trying
to walk through this we could still see another foot
or two of snow, and boy, this snow is perfect
for snow angels.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
And then this time yesterday, Greg I like to blame
middle aged women. Wallace was on social media digging really
hard this morning.

Speaker 11 (03:43):
You know what, I want to apologize for any offense
that I caused with my post yesterday and any upset
I may, of course to a lot of people. I
wasn't in a good headspace when I posted it.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Now, for some reason somebody thought this might actually be
a matter for the government.

Speaker 12 (04:01):
I'm not going to make anyone do anything.

Speaker 13 (04:04):
The show might get really record ratings tonight when people
are waiting to see if there's any clues as to
all this.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Finally, an AI news. We've got a crop development company
there in North Carolina claiming to have USDAI to make
a one hundred percent edible bit of broccoli. They're cross
breeding basically, were to help barb AI uses an algorithm
to identify the traits that lead to some parts of
the broccoli to wither or drop bits that are susceptible
to drought and pests. Now, with the AI assistance that
has led, they claim to a growing process that is

(04:33):
seventy percent faster and produces twenty percent less waste. So
those news of the world and Marty past Price is
booming off and running. Actually, I've got a new forecast
for a New Zealand housing market in the moment. But
for now, are Britain three point seven last month alone
close to a record high rods with us later, of course,
twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
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Speaker 2 (05:00):
This morning is in France. Barnier, who's the Prime Minister
of these days, has used special powers to push through
a social security budget that means he doesn't need the
vote of the MPs. He's worried that he did get
the vote of the MPs, he wouldn't get the budget through,
so that then triggers a vote of no confidence and
so the government might be on the brink of collapse.
Catherine's with a shortly fifteen past six now deven times Management.

(05:24):
Greg Smith, morning to you morning, Mike. Building numbers, we're
not doing as well as we might want to be.

Speaker 14 (05:30):
No, that's completely right. So look at October twe hundred
and fifty new homes consented in New Zealands. It was
down almost seven percent on the same month a year ago.
Multi unit home so townhouses, apartments, flats, retirement units and
the like, they were down eighteen percent. Steve, the lane
houses they help mitigate the averibal declines are up almost
nine percent. Of actually got a miniat trend here if

(05:50):
you look at it since July. But yeah, overall, when
you look at sort of the number of new homes
consent in October September down five point two percent annual
basis down sixteen percent compared with the year of October
twenty twenty three. So yeah, standalone is holding up better,
but multi unit homes down twenty five percent on an
annual basis. You look at it over the last two years, Mike,

(06:13):
and the total value of new residential construction is down
five billion dollars. So look at the bottom time will
tell us suppose and given recent rate cuts. Just looking
across the townsman, it was a slightly different story there.
A number of dwellings approved there were up four point
two percent, second highest in two years, but it was
actually the reverse was actually driven by an increasing apartment developments,

(06:35):
particular in New South Wales and Victoria they are actually
up twenty five percent.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
We'll see that.

Speaker 14 (06:40):
Sustainable private sect the houses and Aussie they fell by
five point two percent in October, but they recently had
the two year high see ef fector that and their
building value rose three point two percent or eight point
three billion. So it seems pretty clear that Ossie construction
is holding up better than ours.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Okay, then we come to retail sales. Speaking of Australians,
they're good too.

Speaker 14 (07:00):
Yeah, the game pretty well. So they had their third
straight month of games stay advancedero point six percent. Did
retail sales in the prime month that exceeded forecasts and
your bases up three point four percent. Looks like it's
been driven by discounting. These numbers don't include Black Friday,
of course, but so yeah, that's enticing sort of the
shoppers in cafes, restaurants and takeaway food services, they are up.

(07:21):
Food retailing bounce back. A bit of a varied story
by State Victoria, Queensland, South Australia that they saw good
gains but New South Wales and Western Australia a week.
So the Reserve Bank wants to see household spinning moderates,
so this won't help in that regard. They actually meet
next week. And Michelle Bollocks, you've said inflation is too
high anyway, and I suppose we get to the point

(07:43):
anyway where the ABA is saying it looks like it
needs two more sets of quarterly inflation data before cats rates.
So the next live meeting probably isn't until May next year.
Many markets are still pricing in the forty percent chance
of a cart and feb and yet more data will
be of interest. We shod another print study showing that
corporate profits and Aussie were down almost five percent of
septem with water weighed by the mining sector. So there'll be

(08:04):
a lot of interest in the Aussie GDP data out tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
There, okay, And then we come to China. They're back there,
back baby.

Speaker 14 (08:11):
Yeah, We've got lots of positive science here. So this
is the latest private sector report on the manufacturing sector
that confirmed what the official reports said recently as well.
So manufacturing sector activity growing its fastest rate in five months.
In November, the pm I had fifty one point five
that was above esten It's fifty point five second straight
month of expansion, helped by the steepest increase in the

(08:34):
growth of foreign orders since February last year, output price
inflation thirty month higher, so you could news might chose
the stimulus packages are potentially working. You also look at
the exports side. They're actually heading for a record trade
surplus of a trillion dollars this year. So at least
Trump's threatening to say to have something to say about
that employment that still remained in contraction. So it's taking

(08:54):
a time for stemulus to trickle down to the labor market.
Just looking elsewhere, it was less convinced in pictures in
the US of the PMI there and improved in November,
still in contraction in the tree's new orders point they
all show gains. Prices in the next dropped. Some inflation
pressures are easing, but not so good in the UK.
Manufacturing output and nine month low. Concerns around the budget

(09:16):
effactor in Europe pretty bad as well. Deteriorated there in
terms of manufacturing activity, fastest paced since August twenty twenty.
So market's now pricing and an increased chance of a
jumbo fifty basis point rate cut by THECB next week.
I need some numbers, Yeah, sure, Hey, we've got some
record numbers as well for you might. We've got some
P five hundred up point two percent success and forty six.

(09:39):
We've also got a record for Nasdaq that's up one
percent nineteen four to one to three. So textop's doing well.
Downdown quarter percent forty four eight hundred, forty one hundred
up point three percent in the UK, stocks fifty up
point nine percent in Europe. Nicket it was up point
eight percent a sx two hundred. Speaking of records, they
hit one as well, point one four percent higher eight
four four seven ins x fifty. We were app I

(10:00):
was at about point four percent, thirteen one one four
Gold up four bucks two thousand and six and thirty
nine announce oil down eighteen cents sixty seven spot eighty two.
Currency markets kere wee week against the US were fifty
eight point seven there against the Australian dollar, we're ninety
point ninety eight, up slightly and we're down a percent
against stealing. So even of a mixed bag there on

(10:22):
the currency front.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
See you tomorrow, Devin Funds Management, Greg Smith Withers tasking
business and movies. I've got more numbers on MO one
and two for you this time out of Australia. One
point seven six million at the box office in Australia,
highest grossing Walt Disney Animation Studios opening day of all time,
enjoy the biggest animated opening day post Pandemic, and the
second highest opening day of twenty four only behind Dead

(10:43):
Paul and Wuverine Wolverine. So it's a it's hit wherever.
We still don't have new zeven numbers of course, six twenty.
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Speaker 1 (10:49):
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Speaker 2 (11:01):
Let me give you what should be the wrap up
for the Irish vote. This time yesterday I was explaining
how shin Feann were winning. They're not any more. They're
coming third. Not that it matters because no one was
going to play ball with them anyway. So it's ended
up looks like Fianna fail at twenty one point nine,
Fienna Gale at twenty point eight, Shinfean now third on nineteen.
The point being that Gale and Fayle are going to

(11:22):
get together now. Part of the problem isn't it was
the same last time, same bit different fail and Gaale
though they've got eighty eight as in seats parliaments one
hundred and seventy four, so they're short. So they need
to go and dabble with a couple of players. Problem
with one of the players they were dabbling with last
time with a Green Party, but the Green Party retained
just one of their twelve seats, so the Green Party
took a bath, So they're going to have to find

(11:44):
one or two of the minor players to do business.
But it looks like basically it's business as usual. They
said it was going to be business as usual. They
also said it was going to be fairly tight. Things
are going very well in Ireland at the moment because
of course they've had these massive, massive tax returns, particularly
the app of late which was billions and billions of
euros coming into the economy that they weren't necessarily expecting.

(12:06):
They do have a housing crisis. Doesn't everyone have a
house in crisis. Don't matter where you look around the world.
Everyone's got a housing crisis anyway. But apart from that,
thing's going very well. So it's business as usual in Ireland.
I think that's the final time I'll be able to
talk about that this year, six twenty four.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
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Speaker 2 (12:25):
We've got a bit of a risk from Sony this
morning to sprink their latest movie. What is their latest movie.
Their latest movie is Craven. It's a villain set in
a Spider Man universe. It's got a budget of just
the two hundred and twenty million dollars, so a cheap
old thing. They've released the first eight minutes on YouTube
for free. Now, why have they done this? Because the
other bits of the recent Spider Man franchise, which is

(12:47):
Morribus and Madame Webb or Madame web they were hopeless,
They were flops. So the Craven director JC Chander, he
wanted to ask people to quote unquote wash away the
bad taste of the other two movies and give us
Blockbuster a chance. So most Now here's the downside of
what they're doing here. Most of the eight minutes is
infecting Russian with subtitles. But the star of the show

(13:10):
has done a primo to announce the three eight minutes.

Speaker 15 (13:12):
Are you ready for the most unapologetic brutal movie of
the year, Well, Craven is kind of knock you.

Speaker 16 (13:18):
Nope, none of that got to be safe for everyone.

Speaker 15 (13:20):
All right, Well, what about if I just told him
about the time when I was that guy right and
then is coming out.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Or that guy on over the ahead out? Oh and
he's split to me.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Nope, can't say any of that.

Speaker 15 (13:34):
But then I mean, Craven the Hunter is coming to theaters.
Don't miss it? Well that created are.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Do we ever give to We have no idea why
it's released in Russian with subtitles, do we so we.

Speaker 17 (13:46):
Never got the beginning of it is in Russia.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
That's why there's the beginning of a lot of movies,
most most James Bond movies.

Speaker 17 (13:53):
Yeah, but everybody's everybody's speaking Russian. That's why subtitles.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Aaron Taylor Johnson, he's the bloke that they think is
going to be the next James Bond. When are we
over that? When's that going to actually be an announced?
How many people have we talked about being potentially the
next James Bond's they've been going for two or three years?

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Us you as it?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Ah, No it is, I can't say Russell Crowe, isn't it?
So if you want the other one hundred and nineteen minutes,
so she's a lengthy old mother, you got to wait
until Thursday week, which is not too far awake. December
twelve is when it comes out. Now, did you pick
up the IF one news yesterday? It wasn't on the track.

(14:32):
A calamitous old mess that turned out to be the
real news that came out of IF one yesterday was
what Christian Horner said, and he has been as clear
as clear. So if you've missed that I'll have more
for you in just a couple of months. Got to
deal with the bird flu though, and what they're going
to do and how big a problem this is given
the exports are off for now that after the news

(14:52):
which is.

Speaker 12 (14:52):
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Speaker 2 (15:05):
Togsd head been is very big news out of the
F one yesterday as they head to their final race
meeting in the Middle East this coming weekend, at which
they will officially meet on December night, apparently according to
Helmet Marco and workout Sergeio Perez Once and for all
was Christine Horner in the post race interview said, I'm
going to let Checko come to his own conclusions. Nobody's
forcing him one way or another. Now that of course

(15:25):
is not true. It's not a nice situation for him
to obviously be in. So what they're doing is laying
the groundwork for Checko too. Presumably after the next race
or maybe even during the last weekend. There was some
consternation around the way Ricardo was treated, and he sort
of was going and everyone knew he was going, but
he couldn't say he was going, and so they maybe
want to rectify that and give Perez the opportunity during

(15:48):
the final weekend to be able to go. This is it,
I'm out, bye bye. But in saying I'm going to
let check Operez come to his own conclusion isn't factually correct.
They've told check Operez what his conclusion will be in
the will let him announce it, which then of course
opens the door to Liam Lawson. He appears to be
the favorite to take the spot at Red Bull. If
it's not him, it's Sonoda. Of course Sonoda's got a

(16:09):
test post the season, but the problems with Sonoda continues
rely as regards the relationship with Honda and so on
and so forth. So it looks right fingers crossed that
for the season of twenty twenty five you will have
in the Red Bull team Max Bistappen alongside Liam Lawson.
Twenty two to seven. French government's a mess, probably about

(16:31):
to collapse, is certainly a no confidence vote coming. So
Catherine in France for is very shortly back here a
version of the bird flu. So what are we going
to do? We've got on the Tago bird farm here
about forty thousand birds in the same shit they're being culled.
MPI have put all the paltry experts on hold. Of course,
the NPI Director General Ray Smith is with us. Ray morning,
was this day, in one way, shape or form, always coming.

Speaker 18 (16:55):
Well, this is not a big bird flu worry we
had actually, even though we've been promoting this question you
to week, this is not one that's spread by migratory
birds around the world, which hasn't arrived in New Zealand yet.
But this is a development of a virtually strain that
is quite common in poultry farms around the world. It's
a serious strain and it's largely confined to the poultry industry.

(17:15):
And so look, it's a bit of update on the
farm in Otago. It's a farm that's got around one
hundred and sixty thousand birds across four big barns. Another
barn when positive for this highly pathogenic virus just last night.
That's not unexpected. We can have something of this on
a farm and so we'll be actually coming a stage

(17:37):
two farms about eighty thousand birds and we'll get that
underweight tomorrow. It's quite a bit of planning, as you'll
appreciate to How do you tell them container I CO two,
which is the standard method used internationally in use here
in Zealand.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Okay, would you expect it to leak properties?

Speaker 18 (17:56):
Well, we're mapping to half a dozen properties that have
links to this particular property. Remember, biosecurity viruses and diseases
moved through the movement of people and products or live animals,
and so we're just checking those to make sure that
it hasn't got there. And it'll take a couple of
weeks before we really are confident about the outer limits

(18:17):
of with the viruses, we expect it to be relatively contained,
but this has got about a fourteen day incubation period,
so it'll take a little while before we set him.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
You speak with a level of confidence. Is that fair?

Speaker 18 (18:28):
Well, we've been through this a few times, Mike, I
mean in my time here. You know, we've removed infectious
brustal disease, chicken virus, we re reremoved salmonella from eggs,
of course, with microplasant abo, this eve evil, Queensland fruit fly,
a number of tomato and potato diseases. Look, I think
we'll get on top of this we've got the farm
manager there, John Mackay, who runs Mainland cultry. Look, he's

(18:49):
an excellent operator. He went to the UK with my
team just a couple of months ago to look at
how we manage highly pathogenic avian intuendsa. I've got a
lot of confidence with the John before. I think we'll
get this done right.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Preciate it very much. Race Smith, who's the MPI Director General,
nineteen minutes away from seven Pasklenferen's housing earlier in the UK.
Here a nice piece of work from Mike Jones, who's
the chief economist at the b and said you can
look them up. I mean the detail he's given as extraordinary.
Holding on as the headline the New Zealand housing market stirs,
but that sort of stuff is readily available if you're

(19:20):
interested in this. He's calling seven percent for next year.
That is quite the turnaround and will take it. Catherine
Shortly nineteen two.

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Speaker 2 (21:07):
We go carelin morning, good morning mate. In a moment
of high drama, you come in at exactly the right moment.
Barnier is doing what he's calling people's bluff or or not.

Speaker 13 (21:18):
Well rolling the diece, I would say, and it's a
pretty loaded dice. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Of course.

Speaker 13 (21:24):
The French Prime Minister, who has been in office for
two and a half months, put forward the Social Security
budget Bill into Parliament today after spending the whole weekend
going to and fro with Marine Leapenn, the leader of
the largest block in the Parliament, at the far right
National rally. They had, honestly, Mike, they'd spent the weekend,
kind of like kids, you know, just one last thing,

(21:45):
just when I thing one last time. She almost got
everything she wanted and then in the end the Prime
Minister said no, there could be no more giving way,
no more presence from this budget. The French economy is
really a bad way. This part of the budget had
to go through. He knew he wasn't going to get
it through Parliament, so pushed it through without a vote,

(22:07):
which you know is taking the constitution to the limit
he can do. But if you do that in France,
the constitution then allows parliament to have a no confidence vote.
And the far left and the far right, which make
up the bulk of Parliament, they have now put forward
that no confidence and that motion will be heard on Wednesday.

(22:30):
It's a hostile parliament, Mike. They want to see his back.
As he left the chamber, they were calling out, oh.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Does he win it or not? And if he doesn't,
literally what happens.

Speaker 13 (22:46):
Well, if he wins it, he just moves on to
the next fight, which will be later that day. This
is only part of the budget. He still needs to
get the rest of the budget through. He still needs
to save what's that bad one hundred and seven billion
New Zealand dollars off next year's budget. So he would
just if he wins his fun he just goes on
to the next battle the next day. Well, so you

(23:09):
know what happens if he loses, Well, the government falls.
We then have a caretaker government and then the president's
manual Macron tries to find a new government. What will happen, though,
let's say best case scenario would be financial and political uncertainty.
The bond markets are already walking away from French debt.
The cost of French debt is just so high at

(23:33):
the moment, so it would just be a real problem,
not just for France financially, but also for the Eurozone,
because don't forget, France is one of twenty countries that
shares the Euro And as they say, Mike, you know,
when the bond market walks, then you really got a problem.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
And this was the thing we were talking this time
seven days ago, Catherine. We were suggesting the word Greece
was going to be in play, and then all of
a sudden, You're borrowing costs are at Greekly you look
like Greece. Is France embarrassed by this?

Speaker 13 (24:03):
I don't think you know, Joe blogs in the streets
is embarrassed. But certainly for some bizarre reason last week,
my end of last week standed in poor debt rating
on France didn't go down, it didn't get a negative ratings.
So clearly there are some people around there who think
that this is the Eurozone's second largest economy. It can

(24:23):
come right difficult to see you just some of these
figures we're looking at, Mike, manufacturing sector had the roughest
November since twenty twenty. Your weak demand, weak international demand,
it's all all the lights are flashing red. But for
some reason, the Parliament is hostile and they say that

(24:44):
essentially at the end of the day, Mike, what they
were saying is tax the rich, leave the less well
off alone. Because what they're arguing about, Mike, with things
like what you have to pay for prescriptions, what people
had to pay for the doctor. And the far left
the far right just turned around and said tax the rich. Well,
Macron's party says, no, don't tax the rich. Don't put

(25:05):
taxes up exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Hey, listen, let's in on a bright note. I was
watching a little bit of Macron's tour the other day
of Notre Dame. This thing this weekend, and gosh, it
looks beautiful, doesn't it?

Speaker 13 (25:14):
Isn't it stunning? And didn't they keep it a secret?
Making journals are usually dreadful gossips, So some of those
who'd been in there and done the photos earlier said
nothing about what we were going to see when he
went in there. It was gobsmacking. And we were also
told it was having going to be a few chapels
that were open, but that's going to be the whole
of the inside. It is going to be wonderful, apart

(25:36):
from the weather. It's going to rain. So questions of
being asked as did Macron know that when he went
in there it was going to be gorgeous skies? They
got the pictures, but this weekend's going to be really dreadful.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
I reckon talk to you, so Catherine Field in France,
and we haven't seen the pictures. He did a tour
and it really is just an astonishingly beautiful place and
a bunch of ceremonies coming up this weekend. Five years
on five years is how long it took them to
rebuild the whole place, ten minutes away from.

Speaker 12 (26:03):
Seven costing breakfast with the range rover Villa.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
The poet in the Sydney Morning Herald yesterday by a
person called Hassan Hassan on what's happening in Syria at
the moment. The general consensus and I've been reading a
little bit about it, obviously one agrees Moscow's preoccupied. They
basically saved them last time. Iran stepped in but didn't
quite perform to be well, turn out to be as
effective as they thought they might say. Moscow came and
basically saved as sad. This time both are preoccupied and

(26:31):
it's and he's a shadow of that. Whole regime is
a shadow of its former self. Hence the rebels have
moved at the appropriate time. It's quite clever if you
think about it, taking nothing away from the seriousness of
what's actually going on in the country. But it looks
increasingly like a sad is done for. Is Biden the
worst president of the modern age? Given what he did?

Speaker 14 (26:52):
Now?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
To be fair, Trump pardoned a whole lot of people.
They all do. And the idea originally was there might
be a few people there who don't deserve to be
in jail, and you, as a president going out can
pardon them, and that's a nice thing to do. Of course,
it all turned to self interest and they just pardon
their mates. Paul Man of Fort Roger Stone, Charlie Kushner,
Steve Bannon, all those crooks got pardoned by Trump. So

(27:13):
for all the people who are going, oh, Biden's the
worst ever, Trump's pretty bad. Obama, Chelsea Manning need I
say more. Bush only cleared a couple of hundred people.
A Scooter Libby, remember Lewis Scooter Libby, former assistant convicted
of perjury Clinton four hundred and fifty nine people. One
was his half brother. Half brother had a bit of
trouble in the cocaine, so he got a nice pardon.

(27:34):
Most famous one, of course, is Nixon by Ford. So
for all the people, I mean, Biden's just hopeless. But
it's not like he's the first five minutes away from
seven Bill and the ouse.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's the biz with business timor take your business productivity to.

Speaker 12 (27:51):
The next level.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Centrix credit data for you. What I've I got mortgage
area is not too bad. Really, number of people are
in trouble has risen twenty one thousand and three one hundred.
Is that a lot isn't a lot. Ten percent increased
year on year, but itquates to just one point four
to two percent of people with a mortgage. So in
other words, ninety eight point you know what, don't have
a problem at all. New mortgage lending is up seven

(28:12):
point seven percent. That's because of interest rates coming down,
lending restrictions easy, so that's encouraging. Consumer areas up a
little bit. Four hundred and sixty one thousand people around
the place are behind on payments. That's twelve point four No,
it's not twelve point one percent of the active credit
population goes up this time of year anyway, good news.
If you're over due by more than ninety days, that's

(28:34):
dropped by fifteen percent, so that's a good sign. No
real change in credit card delinquencies, so that seems to
have plateaued. Worst number is those in what they call
financial hardship. That's more than thirteen thousand, which is up
twenty percent year on year. But I mean, financial hardship
is such a kind of you know, your hardship's not
my hardship, and people gave you paying more than thirty
percent not on your mortgage. You can't make ends meet

(28:55):
blah blah blah. So it's a made up number. In
the year to June, over three hundred million dollars has
been taken out a key we save and for hardship reasons.
Let's competed with one hundred and seventy three million in
the year before. So it's gone from one seventy three
to three hundred. Not encouraging because of course we need
to save for retirement and that's the problem with general
retirement saving the plans to tither. It's not really for retirement,
it's for retirement, or if it's not for retirement, it's

(29:16):
for a house. And if it's not for a retirement
or a house, it's for a difficult times. So it's
really just I don't know, like a bank account in
many respects. Now, what have we got to deal with
the next half hour? The Supreme Court yesterday God blessed them,
saw the Appeal Court for what it was when it
came to customary title. So is an appeal on And

(29:36):
if you're asking what the hell's all this about, I
shall explain shortly after the news which is.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Next demanding the answers from the decision makers.

Speaker 12 (29:45):
The Mike asking.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
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Speaker 2 (29:50):
News, togs V I think seven past seven tours, the
Jobless Numbers rise new approach to deal with the benefits
and beneficiaries. The idea is to have individual job plans
to help get people back to work. Now, Muriel Willem
is with Career Gun Service New Focus and as whether
as Muriel morning, Good morning Mike. The sort of advice
you offer is what they wouldn't ordinarily have anyway.

Speaker 9 (30:12):
Sorry, sorry, I couldn't hear you.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
What sort of advice would you offer that they wouldn't
have normally?

Speaker 9 (30:17):
Anyway, that they wouldn't normally have.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
When a person comes to you who doesn't have a job,
what sort of advice are you able to offer them
that they.

Speaker 9 (30:27):
Don't have as a professional? Okay, so it's trends professionals,
it's counseling. The first pass is the counseling and then
we move into the career focused approach. So within the counseling,
you've got, you know, we able to address all the
mental health issues, the other work based issues that people

(30:49):
may have had, maybe with bullying, with being made with dundant.
We still people really suffering from that post COVID effects
with not being able to get back on the horse,
and those are the skills that we have as strength
professionals to be able to address with our clients.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
You deal with the hardcore into the market. In other words,
a lot of people lose their jobs, they just simply
go out and get another one. These are people who
for whatever reason can't.

Speaker 9 (31:22):
Yeah, there is definitely a lot of that. Definitely there's
some barriers there. If people go to a curious practitioner,
that's because they need some extra support in saying that
those who may not feel that way are still finding
it really challenging because there's just not many jobs out there.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
No, that's although it's important to point out at the
moment that no one gets pinged or sanctioned for not
having a job. The sanction is for people who are
not looking for a job how much of its skills base.
They just don't have skills.

Speaker 9 (31:52):
I think that those they get pained generally. I mean,
clearly speaking, I would say that the majority of the
people that we work with they want a job. So
you've got people who've been unemployed for a long time
they don't have For example, they might have been left
behind in terms of the computer skills, and that's an

(32:13):
area where MSD potentially will be able to support them.
But then we've got issues with people who don't have transport,
they don't have a reliable con they need to receive
their license and all those issues are they become clite
major because we don't have the systems to allow for
all that to happen and people to go relatively quickly

(32:33):
back into employment.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Well that's the difficulty. I suppose that then comes to
life skills, doesn't it And how much you want to
fix for yourself as opposed to relying on other people
to do it. Murial, appreciate your insight, Muriel William with
the Career Guarden Service and FUNC array. By the way,
the Prime Minister were on this later on in the program.
It's ten minutes past seven. Big twist in the twenty
year legal saga. This is over the Mariy customary rights
to the foreshore and sea beds. Supreme Courts widen they're

(32:55):
all the majority of the Court of Appeal erd in
their decision. Makes how as a barrister at Thornton Chambers
and is with us very good morning. Is this tricky
if I'm the Ultimate Court of the land, given being
the government, do I need to appeal anything? Given I
can do what I want.

Speaker 16 (33:11):
So this is the final top court making this decision,
so that the government can't appeal this decision and the
government has one here and a unanimous decision at the
Supreme Court where the Supreme Court's found that the Court
appeal got it slightly wrong.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Right, But having said that, what does it tell us
about what the appeal got what the appeal court got wrong?

Speaker 16 (33:33):
Yes, So what all this was about is customary marine title,
basically customary rights for Maori. And basically what the Supreme
Court said is two things are important, control and continuity.
So the group trying to get these customer rights needs
to have controlled the area and there also needs to

(33:54):
have been continuous use of the area. And the Supreme
Court basically said, when you're looking at continuous use and control,
they're going to allow a wider range of interruptions. So
they've said things like a permanent port infrastructure, for example,
might be seen as interrupting that continuity over time. I

(34:15):
know that sounds a bit legalistic, but basically it means
that it's slightly harder for Mary to get a customer
member entirely after this decision.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Was it overt overreach from the Appeal Court in the
first place?

Speaker 16 (34:30):
Not in my view, Mike. They were trying to make
sense of quite a complicated law. So what the courts
try to do is try to understand the intention of
Parliament and not just across one law, but across the
whole law. And so I think they did have quite
a difficult task. But I think the Supreme Court has
written quite a considered judgment here. It's unanimous, so it's

(34:53):
written by all of the judges, which is quite unusual.
And they've also said some some other interesting things about
how the law should apply.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
In what the government are trying to do. Now take
it back to twenty eleven. Does that clear it up
as well as provide the intent the current government wants
or not?

Speaker 16 (35:10):
Yeah, and my view just does clear up quite a
lot of things. The Court has also clarified what that
control requirement means. They've clarified the kind of the bit
what the lawyers call the burden of proof. So I
do think government really needs to go back to the
drawing board a little bit. They had prepared responding to
the Court of Appeal judgment. Now the position's changed, so

(35:33):
I think we've got a bit of a reset and
I think the Prime Minister did say yesterday he was
getting careful advice and I think that's probably the right option.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Max. Appreciate you time very much, Barrister at Thornton Chambers,
it is thirteen minutes past seven, asking all right, the
government should still clarify the law so courts get a
clear message that Parliament makes the rules, Bob, that's what
they're trying to do. This is the whole pape. You
haven't followed the story. Twenty eleven, they had a law,
it was fine, and then Sa MARII went nah, hung on,
we don't like that, so we go to the court.

(36:03):
So they went to the court. Eventually got to the
Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal went, you know, oh,
we agree with you. So that then up ends at
which point the government has to do something. So they appealed.
They go to the Supreme Court and fortunately the Supreme
Court has agreed with them, so that presumably is the
end of that. But this is the difficulty with making
law and having governments that don't believe that they're the
ultimate court in the land and listening too much to

(36:25):
activist courts. Mike, there was a wonderful decision from the
Supreme Court yesterday, probably the most significant of the last
seven years. Hopefully they're now reading the room. I agree
with your fourteen past the.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
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Speaker 2 (36:41):
Talks at be more with the Prime Ministers shortly on
that Supreme Court too. By the way, sixteen past seven
are we find the nurses are back on strike again
today About thirty six thousand nurses, midwife's healthcare assistants are out.
This time. They're arguing patient safety, apparently. Health New Zealand
Deputy Chief Executive for the Northern Region Mark Shepherd with us,
good morning.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Good morning mine, So thanks for having it.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Not at all, So another day, another strike. Seems like
a beleagued, unhappy sort of place, is it.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
I wouldn't say that. It is the beginning of a
bargaining process with the New Zealand Nurse Association and we're
a little disappointed the strike has happened so soon, but
we're fully prepared in our hospitals to meet the challenges.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
How far through the process are you?

Speaker 4 (37:24):
It's only relatively early bargaining how we started over a
month ago. We do have some date set in early
New years to continue the discussions, and I think that's
an important part of understanding issues for nurses and being
able to move forward together.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
They're arguing patient safety. Is it about patient safety or
is it about money?

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Well as as it's a balance of both, and you'd
have to ask us them their view on patient safety.
We believe we've got a safe organization. We've continued to
work with the unions. There's more nurses on the floor
in this Zealent hospitals than ever before, have thirty five
thousand nurses just in the last twelve months, an additional

(38:07):
three eight hundred nurses on the floor out there caring
for patients in our community. So we believe we've done
a lot to respond to patient safety discussion.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
That's the forgotten part of the story. I think people
are confused, aren't they, Because I mean, all the headlines
are about the people who can't get work in the
hiring freeze and all that sort of stuff. The simple
fact of the matter is there's a mismatch going on.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are job openings
in certain areas of the health sector, not in others.
You have put more people, as you say, on the floor,
and therefore you are growing the workforce.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Is all of that correct, That is absolutely correct, and
that's ongoing. Only in the last few days the Commissioner
announced an additional fifty senior medical stuff and also additional
timbergion dollar targeted fund for specific nursing roles for specific areas.
Are those sorts of you're.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Going, okay, so on going on strike between eleven and seven.
I mean, there's no answer to this. But when you
go on straight between eleven and seven, what does that achieve?
I mean, what change is here?

Speaker 4 (39:10):
I suppose really new data union what they think they're
below they achieve. I mean, I suppose it's making a
statement and during attention to the issue that there is
some strength of an united sort of front with the
nurses around wanting a fair pain. That's my assumptions. At

(39:37):
the end of the day, what's really important is anybody
staying in hospital during the strike will receive the care
and support they need. You have well developed plants right
across the system to ensure that healthcare delivery continues. We
have paired back some of our non urgent care. Things

(39:57):
are plain care like might be an appointment or non
urgent surgery, and we will look to reschedule those surgeries
or treatment as soon as possible. Anything that is time
critical will continue, and all other emergency departments and services
remain open injunction.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
All right, Mike, appreciate it. Mike Sheppard, out of Health,
New Zealand. Mike, My daughter is halfway through a nursing
degree and now she's worried you can't get a job
because of all the foreign nurses coming in. You're incorrect.
Let me come back to that. Seven twenty Asking.

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me the old five a day fruit and veg thing
wasn't actually right. It was more like tena day. That's
why you might remember. They changed it to eight to day,
and then they took it back to five a day, which,
as far as I know, is where it is today.
Five a day was essentially a marketing line so that
people could see it as realistic because ten to day
wasn't doable, or so they thought so based on that,
This is why I'm raising this. What about at least

(42:02):
a million dollars in your bank account to retire? Does
that freak you out? That number of million dollars? It's
the result of numbers crunched by an investment advisor. As
we once again debate the realities of superannuationcy soupers five
hundred and nineteen a week or two lots of four
hundred for a couple if you want more, The claim
is you would be wanting about seventy to one hundred
percent of your pre retirement income. Right, So that's easily

(42:24):
for most people going to require they've worked out in
excess of a million dollars. Is that then the equivalent
of say, ten fruit and veg day for you? In
theory that's what you actually need, but in reality you
can't cope with it. So to get even close, a
person starting out on fifty thousand dollars a year in
their work life would be on track to save three
hundred and forty thousand dollars by a retirement in a
growth fund. And that assumes, by the way, you don't

(42:46):
take money out for a house. If you want half
a million, you'll need to save six percent of every
dollar you earn your entire working life. Your salary, of course,
might go up a lot, or it might not. You're
still on those numbers. Don't have a million bucks? What
if your house? What's your If your house is worth
a million by sixty five? If so, do you afflick
that by half a million dollar unit in rural New

(43:06):
Zealand take your savings? Is that the life you imagined?
And what if you didn't put that six percent aside
because you're, oh, I don't know young. You care free
and Greece and a motorbike and some partying is calling
saving of courses for another day, until of course you
panic in midlife and you wonder how the hell you're
going to do it. And that is why essentially we
have a retirement cost issue in this country, because we

(43:27):
aren't inherently sabers. And at least part of the reason
for that is the mentality that drives the idea in
young people that they could never afford a house. It's
beyond them. You can't afford a house, you can't save
a million dollars. You're not eating ten fruit and veg
a day, and around and around it goes asking. Right,
my daughter halfway through a nursing degree, worried you won't
get a job because of immigrants we need. What people

(43:49):
don't seem to be understanding is and this is partially
the union's fault, because the unions are going we are
thousands of nurses, thousands of doctors short, which probably we are.
But even if you accept those numbers, we're not filling them.
Why because we don't have the money. You can't just
create jobs for the sake of creating jobs with money
you don't have. Equally, in there is the reality that

(44:13):
there are lots of jobs available in the health service,
mental health being a classic example. They're desperately short of
people in the mental health area. But do most people
want to work in the mental health area. No, they
want to work at a GP's office or an ED
or in just a regular hospital wart And so you know,
those jobs go unfilled. Then you hear the stories, as

(44:34):
we've heard this week, that the graduates graduate and they
apply for their jobs and they don't get the jobs,
and they go, oh my god, I didn't get a job. Well,
they could have got a job if they applied in
the right area, or in the right city, or in
the right town. So it's a bit more complicated than
they make out, unfortunately, and that's why we bring immigrants in,

(44:55):
not because we've got nothing better to do with our time,
but because we can't find the local to fill the
jobs in the first place. Anyway, you'd know all this
if you were running the country and Christopher Luction is,
and he is with us in a couple of months.

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twenty three minutes away from a Tuesday morning payments the
Crystopher Luction is with us. Good morning, Good morning, Mike.
How are you very well? And do thank you? The
Supreme Court decision yesterday overruling the Appeal Court. What do
you do? Just carry on with the law as you're
looking to reamend?

Speaker 19 (45:41):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously it was a very
correick decision given we had appealed the decision of the
Court of Appeal as well, and the Supreme Court came
back very very quickly. Frankly, decision came out like yesterday.
It actually takes a bit of time to go through
those rulings to really understand exactly the nature of it,
and then Goldsmith or Godsmith will take some time just

(46:02):
to digest that and then obviously have more to say
about it in due course.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
But in saying something about it in due course, does
that change the way you're looking to put the twenty
eleven back the way it was or not?

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (46:15):
Well, I mean for your listeners essentially, you know, we
had a rule, you had a law pass in Parliament
twenty eleven. The Court of Appeal interpreted that law in
a way that lowered the threshold, which we felt didn't
get the balance right between the legitim Minstress of all
key weis and also Malori customer title. And that's why
we were actually legislating over the top to bring it
back in line with what Parliament intended that law to be.

Speaker 7 (46:35):
And that was the process we're going down.

Speaker 19 (46:37):
Obviously, we've had the Supreme Court overturn the Court of Appeal,
which is a positive thing, but we just need to
digest exactly and go through the detail of that ruling
to understand exactly what their decision has been.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Well, the decision, apart does anything else, is unanimous. Does
that mean the Appeal Court is activist and needs to
be told their activists? So we're not way God knows
how many millions of dollars going back and forward and
run around circles.

Speaker 19 (47:04):
Well, as you know, under committee, I won't be commenting
on anything around the judiciary, but what I'd say is yes,
I mean, it was good to see the Supreme Court
come back very quickly given the appeal. It was a
very fast decision. I think it was within ten days
of the appeal being put in. And it is a
unanimous decision. But as you know, when you get these rulings,
and we only got it yesterday afternoon or something, it's

(47:26):
a lot to it and I just need Paul to
actually take some time to digest it and work out
what that means for US legislation.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Reported to this morning the Defense Force the operating deficit
is looking at three hundred and fifty million in the
wrong way next year. Is that true? And more importantly,
where's your Defense review at? Yeah?

Speaker 19 (47:43):
Look, I haven't been briefed on their budget spending. I
expect all agencies to work within budgets, obviously, and we
know we need to spend more on defense. The challenge here,
Mike is, you know we need to spend more on
defense ultimately, but I want to put good money into
a good strategy. And we're in a place where we've
actually we have new heads of Army, Navy, Air Force,

(48:03):
new chief, new deputy chief, new Secretary of Defense, new
minister obviously, and I've asked all seven of those leaders
to say, right as a new team, I want to
see a good strategy that actually we can invest in
over the long term, that actually builds capability for New Zealand.
And we're very clear about where we're going to invest
and where we're not going to invest. And once we've
got a good strategy, we can obviously tip more money
into it over time. And we certainly that is out

(48:25):
we put more money in at the budget as you
saw in budget twenty four. We're very open to spending
more on defense. But it's a good case of if
you're going to put good money into you need to
be a good money into a good strategy. And that's
my task of the Defense.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Force, and so where is it that? Because it's all
it was Duet's ob due, isn't it?

Speaker 19 (48:42):
No, No, no, we said that early next year would
be fine, but actually they'll be making good progress that
we're working our way through those conversations, and in fact,
we've had a number of very good sessions on it recently.
So they've got a good plan emerging. And you know
what I'm interested in is the choices of where we're
going to make those investments to build, you know, expertise
and capability that New Zealand can bring an add to

(49:02):
it its alliance.

Speaker 7 (49:03):
Relationships as well. So part of the expert things like
the sorry.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Sorry I was going to say, would some of the
expertise be the ability to know what auto pilot is?

Speaker 19 (49:14):
Well, look incredibly frustrating for everybody involves, and frustrating for
us as well as you would understand. But I thought
the Navy, in fairness, the new Admiral and the Chief
of Navy actually did a very good job of fronting
and that court else.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I mean, I watched, I watched, I mean, I thought
you were unduly kind. Yesterday. I watched that briefing on
Friday with his extended point at where do you even
buy an extendable pointer from? For God's sake, tailor, he's
got a photo of two thrusters and he's pointing at
the thrusters telling me that when auto pilots on the
thrusters don't work, really, come.

Speaker 7 (49:49):
On, Well, I just say to you, Mike, he is
a good man, and he surely is.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
I mean, he's a brand new.

Speaker 7 (49:55):
Chief of Navy.

Speaker 19 (49:56):
He stepped into this issue right from day one, owned it,
fronted it. We've put a very number two up there
in Samoa who's been working incredibly well cleaning up what
is an unfortunate accident be caused by human error. Incredibly
frustrating for everybody to get it. But it's the question
of now what do you do about it? And please say, well,

(50:16):
they'll work their way through that, as he said in
the first quarter of next year. I just think the
Court of Inquiry process has been run.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Very very well.

Speaker 19 (50:24):
It's a very rigorous, very robust process, and it's been
very transparent and very straight up.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Are we going to look at in any serious way,
shape or form backing oil and gas to go find
oil and gas? As per the letter written to change Jones.

Speaker 7 (50:39):
Yeah, look, I saw that yesterday.

Speaker 19 (50:41):
I understand Shane's received advice on that or getting advice
on that.

Speaker 7 (50:46):
We haven't made any decisions about that.

Speaker 19 (50:49):
We have obviously made a decision we want to reverse
the ban on oil and gas, and that's important because
we're importing a hell of a lot of Indonesian coal
rather than you're trying to drive domestic gas, which would
be a hell of a lot better for greenhouse guests
and also for.

Speaker 7 (51:00):
Our energy security. But with particularly, I.

Speaker 19 (51:03):
Know Shane's taken advice or receiving advice on it, but
we certainly haven't had a conversation about that or any discussion.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Are you open to it as a concept? Does I
raise it with you this morning? It seems I assume
they're trying it on because I mean, you know, if
we're just going to foot the bill for every person
to come into the country and do whatever they want
to do, we're going to go broke, and we already
are broke.

Speaker 19 (51:23):
Yeah, I think our real focus will be making sure
that we're doing the regulatory things that give certainty and
clarity about the regime going forward. You know, essentially, when
you go kill oil and gas and the way the
previous government did. That just sends a chilling effect right
through the investment community.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
Say, cheapest, you know, the.

Speaker 19 (51:38):
Rules can change at any point in time, and why
would I invest for something that you know I might
need a fifteen or twenty year payback before I get
the return. So you know, what we've got to do
is just you know, again, get the adults in the room,
get it gripped up, and be really clear to those
investors as to what the regime is going to be
and how it will be going forward. So and I
even heard, you know, I think Hepkin saying the other
day that you know, it's something that he wouldn't rush

(51:59):
to overturn miss implemented anyway, and so you know that
that's I mean, it's it's crazy that they did overturn it,
you know, because that was like end oil and gas
and no plan, Okay what comes next? And essentially that
just led to massive importation of coal and restop domestic
gas production, which is just you know, did not think
three second, third order consequences of a bumper slogan And
that's a decision.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
So you do you know what's happened at Solar zero.

Speaker 19 (52:25):
Look very little there I mean, I mean woman And
the reason is essentially this New Zealand Green Investment Fund,
which actually has put significant capital committed to Solar zero,
operates at.

Speaker 7 (52:37):
An arm's length from government. I mean.

Speaker 19 (52:39):
The key thing is this is a massive shop for
folk when you think about it, I mean there's one hundred.

Speaker 7 (52:43):
And sixty employees there.

Speaker 19 (52:45):
This was a significant solar energy come I think they
had forty percent market share from memory and it's you know,
it's being unable to be continue trading and therefore liquidators
have been appointed. So massive shock for people impacted by it.
But also the New Zealand Green Investment Fund, which was
sure the previous government set up as an arms length thing,
has obviously committed capital to it. Our ministers are meeting

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with them again later this week to gain confidence that
all the steps are being taken that can be taken.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
But as part of what worries me though, is part
of the problem in our fascination with renewables. Is it
entirely possible that we're just not up for SOLA at
this scale and we're wasting our time and one hundred
and fifteen million dollars of taxpayers money, or is solar
zero just a bad business.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (53:32):
I don't really know Mike on that because I think,
you know, you actually need to sort of what happens
now when your point liquidators is a you know, they
go off and look at their legal and the insolvency
advisors come back with a report to say what's a
company specific You know, it could be massive issues with
the business model that's caused the problem. This was a
sort of a subscription model as I understood it, versus

(53:52):
and up you know, people don't spend money on the upfront.

Speaker 7 (53:55):
Capital cost per se.

Speaker 19 (53:56):
So there's a whole bunch of things in there that
I just don't know where that balance sits between Is
it a structural problem or is it actually fundamentally we
need to get.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Bottom and fifteen of our dollars direct speaking of money,
significant amount of capital committed exactly, speaking of money, the
French are here at CRL. Do you know what the
problem is and is it serious?

Speaker 7 (54:15):
Not that I haven't been briefed on that at all.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Don't you want to be it's the biggest infrastructural project
in the country.

Speaker 19 (54:21):
Well, yeah, well I would like to know about It's
the first I've heard about it, but it just hasn't
come to my desk.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
This Oh my god, who's running your office? For goodness sake,
there's a massive hole in blood underneath Auckland. Businesses have
gone bust for years. On the end. The thing is two,
if not three times over budget. It's years behind it.
The French are lying into the country because they're Bugget
what's going on? I asked the Prime Minister and you
don't know.

Speaker 19 (54:43):
Nor you framed the question in a way that said that, yeah,
there's something I know about CRL and what's going.

Speaker 7 (54:49):
On with this?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Well, what's gone wrong? Why are the French here?

Speaker 19 (54:52):
Well, I don't know why the French are here, but
you'll have to have CRL that point of view. But talking,
we need to get this project. This project's been going
on forever, Dannwell needs to come to a close and
get finished and it gets sorted and we need to
move on. But between the CURL. But also we've done
some good work on that central interceptor in Auckland too.
We're through water Care by restructuring water Care and getting

(55:12):
it separate from the council so that Wayne Brown didn't
have to take his rates up twenty six percent as well.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Why and I asked you this at the time, why
didn't you sack Sarah Fitt when you had the opportunity
at far Mek.

Speaker 19 (55:25):
Well, I mean those are decisions for the Farmac board. Yeah,
but you put in your chair in yep, poor about it.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
And then we got patch trouble as of yesterday. We
had culture problems previously, and I said, why don't she's
clearing and they are clearly not the right people for
the job and they're still causing more troubles.

Speaker 19 (55:41):
Well, the bit that I control is actually the board
and the governance of Farmac, and that's an appointment that
the government makes and we've done that through appointing.

Speaker 7 (55:48):
A new chair. That'll be a decision for the chair
and the board.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Okay, good to talk to you. You're back on Friday,
aren't you.

Speaker 19 (55:55):
I'm looking forward to my friend. I'm coming into your
studio to see you on Friday on your last show.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Appreciate it. Crystal Lacks, Prime Ministe thirteen to wait.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
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Speaker 2 (56:08):
It'd be oh my god, that won't help the PM's ratings.
Mike Mikey Sherman of TV won the political editor needs
to go to specsabers. It's a great story. It's a
shocking story. I'll tell you. I'll give it to you
probably after eight thirty now because I'm out of time.
A couple of good bits the Munaway Maunaewa Maria investigation.

(56:29):
This is the Maori Party, Tashkemp etc. That report It
is now because a lot of you contact me on
a regular basis about it. It was due September sixteen. We
hear now this came out in the public in the
Select Committee yesterday, Sir Brian Roach, who's the head of
the Public Service Public Service Commissioner. The inquiry is quote
nearing completion, subject to a final review released in the

(56:52):
next few weeks. I e as close to Christmas as
we possibly can, given the delayed nature of it. I
think they've got something, so we'll we'll watch and see. Mike,
can you please ask luxon why he would arrest a
democratic leader in Netanyahu who's defending his country from terror
attacks and is desperate to get over one hundred civilians
hostages returned. I've never been so embarrassed of our position

(57:15):
as a new Zealander. Thank you, Dave. Good question. I'll
come back with the answer in a moment. This was
raised at the postcap press conference yesterday and he was
very clear was Luxon if Nettner Who arrived in the country,
he would be arrested. So more shortly eight to eight.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
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Speaker 2 (57:33):
Thought it was interesting postcap press conference yesterday. Somebody said
ICC of Nettanna who comes, will he be arrested? And
Luxeon was unequivocally he said yes, he would be Britain
in third. The other day when the ICC issued an
arrest warrant that should netna Who go to Britain, then
it could be complicated, at which point a couple of
American senators went ballistic and said, if you ever arrest Netnya,

(57:54):
who will ruin your economy. So Luxon opens himself up
to some approbrium from the US. But we are as
signatory to the ICC, the International Criminal Court, and they
have issued an arrest warrant, and therefore we are obliged
should net Yah I mean the saving grace here is,
of course Netnya, who's never been to New zeal And.
He never will, so it's not really going to be

(58:15):
a problem now. So we come to TV one's news
last night. Funny funny is a fart. Susie's unemployed. Susie's
a truck driver, former truck driver. She says she's looking
for work for the last nime months. They can't find
a job. So TV one, God bless them punching truck
driver in Hawks Bay, and it comes up on screen. Sorry,
we couldn't find anything. So hence their reports saying there

(58:36):
are no truck driver jobs and Hawks Bay difficulty is
that they spelt driver are the unusual way driv ber driver,
So not surprisingly, perhaps there are no driver jobs in
hawks Bay. But if you spell it the I don't know,
the old fashioned way, which would be driv er no

(58:57):
b see the bee's not even sign linton driver. I
don't know if you know about that, but anyway, if
you spell it drive, oh my god. The sixty two jobs,
So Susie, claiming not to have a job and can't
find a job, is presumably not looking at the sixty
two that are available in Hawk's favor.

Speaker 17 (59:15):
I mean if if for those sixty two people are
wanting fack drivers that can spell, and then she still
might be out of that.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
More small problem. Ivan Cleary how to be a winner,
and boy is he a winner? And what did the
Warriors lose when they said bye bye Ivan all those
years ago. Ivan Cleary is.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
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Speaker 2 (59:44):
Toks heead b does that about Jingling Passtate. Ivan Cleary
reveling in the sort of success very few people ever experienced.
Former Warrior, former coach of the Warriors, of course, no
coach of the Penwrith Panthers is the most successful sports
coach in Australia. Four Grand Final appearances, four wins for
in a row. His new book is about leadership and
achieving success. Not everything counts, but everything matters. I've been

(01:00:07):
clearious weathers morning.

Speaker 6 (01:00:09):
Thank you, Mike. Very nice to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
So on this early December morning. Where are you guys
at with your off season?

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
Yeah, so we're back at work preparing for the twenty
twenty five season. A lot of our players that were
in the Grand Final squad haven't come back to work out.
It's mainly just the younger guys, but they all start
sort of feeding in over the next few weeks and
just after Christmas, our whole squad will be back together.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
And after you know the success you've had, After you
know these four successful, extraordinary seasons, how do you plan
season number five? Is it the same as four, three,
two and one?

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
It's not exactly the same, but as a I guess
a core way of doing things or a template, I
suppose you could say of what we've found to be
successful that we try to sticktive. We're trying to evolve
all the time as well. Each years. You know, the
squads are slightly different, circumstances a little different. But I

(01:01:08):
guess that's the hardest thing is trying to find the
balance between evolving and also saying true to you know,
to you know, what do you believe in and what
it works is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
For and winning leading to winning old saying but do
you believe that?

Speaker 6 (01:01:21):
Absolutely? Yeah? I mean, I guess as the danger of
living in the past that you know, because you don't
want to do that, but you can certainly learn from it,
and I think the belief that you get from it
is probably the most important thing because that can't be fake.
You know, you other think you can do it or
you can't in many respects. So it's been like compound

(01:01:42):
interest in many ways, you know, the system that we
have all the more you do it, the more the
players feel, the better customer they are to it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
So I think, so, yeah, are you enjoying it the
way you thought you would?

Speaker 6 (01:01:54):
Yes, I absolutely love it. I mean to those I know.
I was a head coach for fourteen seasons until and
also played for eleven, so that's twenty five years have
been in the RL before I experienced winning a premiership,
so there's a long time coming and I'm enjoying every

(01:02:16):
minute of it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
What do you reckon the magic is? I mean, have
you actually got a recipe for it or not?

Speaker 6 (01:02:22):
There's no magic. But I think alignment is a key word.
So that usually comes from you know, everyone's being on
the same page. You've heard it before, rowing in the
same direction. So the culture of the organ organization I
think is really important and that everyone I understand it

(01:02:42):
and be find it's fairly easy to you know, I
guess to live up to. So that's probably been the
main thing. Just this alignment, everyone moving in the same direction.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
And what are the learnings I mean, I refer to
your time maybe at the Warriors. I mean, are you
as good a coach now a better coach now you
experienced the good days and the bad days? I mean,
how does it all work out? And what role does
luck play in that?

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
Well, it's definitely got to play this part, for sure,
but yeah, you also got to make your own life.
Of course, there's a lot of things to go into it.
Sometimes it's just the right group with the right the
right coach, just the right fit. There's so many things
to go in. But it definitely like plays as part,
I believe. But you know, I also think you've got

(01:03:27):
to put position yourself, sorry, to be in the right
position to actually perceive the luck when it gets handed out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
And do you look back on your time at the
Warriors in terms of you know, what could have been
a review moved on and that was so long ago,
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
And I always remember my memories of my time at
the Warriors. And you know, they gave gave me my
initial shot at burn a head case when I was
pretty young, and I took a chance on then I'll
forever be in betted to them. For that, I think
I am a better case than I was back then.
You mentioned the works experience to just you know, as
I was saying, as you can't buy it. I really

(01:04:05):
enjoyed it. I learned a lot, you know. I certainly
did some things then that I know would do differently now.
But it's sort of helped me on my journey. I
just think there's still so much potential in that club
and looking forward to, yeah, seeing them prosper, which I'm
you know, I'm really confident that they will.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
So I'm glad to hear that because I mean I've
been following them now for twenty six to twenty seven years,
whatever it is. I'm actually still waiting for them to prosper.
I mean, obviously we had a good couple of years,
but on paper, here's the thing. On paper, and last
year is probably as good as an example as any
On paper. They look like they can do well, they
seem to have a great coach, and yet it doesn't happen. Why.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
Yeah, I can't give you an exact answer. I certainly
agree with you. I'm the coach. I think Andrew's that
fortunate enough to work with for a few years and
tremendous person and a great coach. The squad is healthy.
I think the ear four was probably setting them up

(01:05:12):
a little, probably before they may have been ready. Such
a great season in twenty three well, probably went as
far off as everyone may think. Last year, I don't think.
And there's not much in it in the NL I
honestly such a tight type competition. The rigors of travel,
although it's never going to go away, is far and

(01:05:32):
above what anyone else has to do in the NRL,
so that's always going to be potentially an issue. But yeah,
I think I'll be surprised if they don't have a
much better season this year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Well, I hope you're right. Listen hold on for a
couple of moments, Ivan Cleary, the book is not everything counts,
but everything matters more Shortly thirteen past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Talks It'd be and coming up sixteen past eight, Ivan
clearis guess Nelison, what about recruiting and how you handle
Let's talk about that for a moment. So again reference
to the Warrior has got a feeder system, So is
that the way to work. You know, you get your
young kids, bring them through that system or do you
just go out with the checkbook and you know, buy
your talent.

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
Well, it depends on what your mandate is at the club.

Speaker 8 (01:06:18):
You're that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
We're quite similar here at the Panthers to to the
Warriors where we are development clubs. So it's much it's
much easier for us to develop our own here as
opposed to going and you know, buying everyone from elsewhere,
which other clubs like the Roosters, because they just don't
have the the nursery and they just don't have the

(01:06:42):
you know, the numbers. I guess that's what they have
to do. So we we look to develop our own
so a year on year, we're just trying to improve
our partway system as best we can, and so we
get players you know that I'm already and are already
when they come into our system as we can. So
that's that's that's something that's worked quite well for us

(01:07:03):
to Worries and they are doing something similar, and it's
the club's always are successful like here when you know
we're getting that right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
And what's your experience towards dealing with young people? You
know guys that look at like a team like the
Panthers and think, well, I can be famous, I can
be the best in the business, bringing them through in
a way that they're you know, decent human beings, great athletes.
They want to perform well for a site as opposed
to losing their head and exploding.

Speaker 6 (01:07:28):
Yeah, it gets a little bit like parenting. I think
it is in many ways. Actually, you know, there's a
lot of hard work to be done in any part
of life. You know, we all know this to want
to get to where you want to get to it
be successful because just you know, it's important to have goals.
But it's just really a daily exercises. But every little

(01:07:49):
thing you do matters, you know, on and off the field,
so you know, we try to definitely keep them grounded.
But yeah, it got through a lot of detail, whether
it's on and off the field, and just be super
consistent with it. And then before we know it, some
of those goals that you've written down are starting to
get ticked off.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
And what about you know, the level of performance you
guys operate at nowadays and whether that affects the game,
whether it lifts the game generally, because one of the
problems around league, of course, is every now and again,
on a mad Monday, a team or a series of
players go crazy, and that hurts the reputation of the
whole sport.

Speaker 6 (01:08:28):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I think I think the game
as a whole has grown up a little bit, and
players in that sense. I think everyone's atle bit more
aware of the dangers out there, sickly with the society
of technology and phones and CCT vision for everywhere. I think, yeah,
I think responsibilities are much higher. I think the voys

(01:08:51):
sort of understand that a lot more these days. So
I don't know if we're helping, but you know, we
certainly pride ourselves on not just performing on the field,
finding offered as well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
The depression you talk about in the book. One was
that difficult for you to do? And two? Did it
surprise a lot of people that a person with your
level of success suffered those sort of difficulties.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
I think it did.

Speaker 6 (01:09:13):
I certainly got a lot of feedback from it. I
think that's part of the reason I did it is that,
you know, I've certainly found that, you know, sticking the
last few years, I've just been sort of privatable finding
out a lot of things about people that it's just
it's out there a lot, but no one us men
don't really like talking about it.

Speaker 16 (01:09:34):
So I thought it was a good.

Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
Opportunity to, you know, someone who's had some success sort
of you know, it's not it's not all beer and skittles.
And I think the more we talk about it and
sort of almost normalize it or certainly destigmatize it, I
think is important because it's a silent it's a bit
of a silent thing. You generally don't see it, and
us as guys are pretty good at disguising it. So

(01:09:58):
that's that's really what Well, you know, while I brought
it up and wanted to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
About it, Now, what about the longevity of coaches once
you reach as you have a certain level of success,
do you think and I said, I don't know, Bill Belichick,
Alex Ferguson, do you reckon you should be able to
stay on as long as you like?

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
Yeah, that's a really good question, and I don't really
know the answer. You know, I've been here two times,
but the second time back, I'm going into my seventh season.
So at the moment, I'm just I'm just really focused
on you know, one season, one campaign, you know, one

(01:10:35):
pre season at a time, and I guess time will tell.
I'm not looking too far into the future. The club
has spoken to me about that, but I'm not at
the moment. I'm I'm just happy with I've got three
years to go on my current contract, So that's that's
plenty as far as I you know where I am
now in my life, and you're really enjoying it and
just want to stay stay on a you know, I

(01:10:56):
guess present if you like, and just keep trying to
get this team on me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
How well, how do you start that, by the way,
because you say this year obviously I don't know, it's
playoffs preferably top four, and we'll go from there. Or
do you not look that far ahead now?

Speaker 6 (01:11:11):
I always try to start with the end in mind.
I think that's that's been an important sort of change
to shift in the way we look at things. So,
you know, we we we want to finish with the trophy,
that's what we want. And then once we've sort of
settled on that, then we you know, we basically don't
talk about it again sort of how we work. But

(01:11:32):
I think it's important to really be really clear on
where you want to get to. And I think you know,
we know that we're capable, which is as I said earlier,
that's an important belief to have, to know that you
are one capable of doing doing it, and then it's
really just working and making sure we you know, we
get as close as our capabilities as we can.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Good stuff. Well, listen, I wish you all the very
very best for the coming season. Look forward to meeting you.
I say that lightly. Of course the Warriors, Ivan Cleary
are not everything counts, but everything matters. Ivan Cleary out
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Looking forward to reading this book, I can thoroughly recommend
this book, and it's true to It's a life lesson,
is that not everything counts, but everything matters. Speaking of interviews,
Boris Johnson is in and I know this because Kerry's
got the makeup artist and this morning Kerry has got
the makeup artist to straighten the hair, iron the face,
do all the good bits that makes her look sense,
not that she doesn't look sensational in o natural art.

(01:13:39):
And I tell her this most mornings in an almost
borderline kind of way. But it's between you know, a
couple of oldies and I go, you're looking a bit
of all right this morning, carry I say, and everyone goes, ooo,
is there a no child thing? But no, We've been
around long enough not to make it an HR thing.

Speaker 17 (01:13:56):
It's about Greg Wallace, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
It's got to touch with Greg Wallace about it. But
Kerry's not complaining. Kerry seems to like it. I think
Kerry is encouraging me. Actually, I think I might go
to HR anyway, where was I? So she's got a
here done.

Speaker 17 (01:14:09):
She's trying to improve on perfection, I think, is what
you're trying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
To say to what I was trying to say, Well done,
Glen Um And Boris is coming in Asen Johnson. Boris
Johnson from ten o'clock this morning exclusively here on news
Talk said the news for you in a couple of moments.
Then we'll go to the UK and.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
He'd be a little bit of this this morning, Mike.
Great to see the Supreme Court find the button to
turn off its auto pilot yesterday. There are, of course
casualties in the forty KC's who signed the TP bill
letter left stranded on the foreshore as they watched the
Treaty gravy train chug off into the distance. Nicely put,
but just to reiterate that what we're dealing with is
the foreshore sea bed is completely different to the Treaty

(01:15:05):
Principal's Bill. They're two completely different things. If you ask
somebody like the Mari Party. It's all part of the
overall approach that the government's taken to Maray in general.
But the twenty eleven law, which is what the government
are looking to re enact in the way they originally
envisaged it but have been sidetracked by this court action
culminating in the Supreme Court decision yesterday, is different to

(01:15:28):
the Treaty Principle's Bill. The Treaty Principles Bill is what
the cases were writing about twenty three to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Nine international correspondence with ends in eye insurance, Peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
In the mighty UK, Rod Little, good morning for you.
Very well. Indeed, so Key Starmagad that speech the other
day about the number of people, and it was to
do with immigration. There's net immigration, there's revised numbers and
new numbers, and you've got the legals and the illegals,
and then you've got these boat crossings. This is all
just a big, gargantuan mess, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
It is a mess. And he is benefiting already from
what the Conservative last Conservative government has done by making
it far more onerous for overseas students to get places
here and bring their entire families with them. That's cut
the number of people in coming by about twenty percent,

(01:16:24):
which is not insubstantial. What he's also been talking about,
what is in effectual Home Secretary as If Cooper has
been talking about, is tackling the gangs. By tackling the gangs,
they will reduce the number of people coming here in
small boats from Calais. While we've seen how far that's gone.

(01:16:47):
They've been in power for four and a half months
and the number has gone up by twenty thousand of
those who are coming here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Right the link correct me if I'm wrong, But he
didn't deal with the was it Iran or Iraq?

Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
Iran Iraq? Rather, I what is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
It that they are supposed to be doing with gangs
and illegal boat people.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
Well, if the people are stupid enough to say, well,
I just came from Iraq, actually right, terribly sorry to body,
they go back to Iraq, and similarly with a number
of other countries. I mean, they're trying to strike these deals,
but it doesn't work because they all know that they
that Firstly, they will say a country which is beyond

(01:17:33):
that readment. But secondly they will say, well, much as
I would love to go back to Iraq, sadly, i
am a Christian or I am a Sumi Muslim, or
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, And therefore they cannot
be sent back to phace persecution in their own country.
And the only way really out of that is to
sort out the European Court for Human Rights and it's

(01:17:55):
jurisdiction over who we can send back. And I don't
think bilateral treaties do very much, certainly not with the
lacks of I think Bibia has been involved as well.
You know, we're reaching out to all these countries and
I don't think it adds up to a him of beans.
In fairness, you know, this is not primarily Labour's fault

(01:18:18):
that this has been going on for ten years under
the Tories, but it has increased and I don't see
anything from vat Cooper which suggests to me that it
will improve in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
It's just interesting to answer the question because Australia is
looking at doing something similar and I would have thought
they'd looked at Rwanda, looked at a Rack, look at
Italy and Albania, and you know the thing ends up
in endless amounts of court. Greg Wallace, yeah is do
you know him as he is? Everyone going ah, yeah,
that's old Greg. He was going to get sprung eventually
or what are we reading.

Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
In Yeah, well he supports the same football team as me,
so I have some kind of residual sympathy for him.
But I listened to the news today on the BBC.
In the top story, Greg Wallace apologized for a video
he'd made yesterday. The second story on the news was
the increasing likelihood of World War III. I mean, I'm

(01:19:11):
this is the BBC, you know, I'm kind of lost.
Greg Wallace is a massive name over here if you
watch programs like Master Chef. He is a grosser, working
class guy, a big fat ball bloke, a grosser term
TV presenter who now does a lot of these cookery programs.

(01:19:32):
And he has clearly said a few things which are
a bit below the soul to as he in advisory
put it, middle class women of a certain age, and
that called him into even more trouble. That was meant
to be his way out of the crisis. It made
it even worse. He no longer has a feature in television,

(01:19:53):
and he's one of our biggest stars, you know. He
he's one of those rough diamonds who came up and
everybody loves is now saying goodbye to because I suspect
it is rather hard for a very working class, not
necessarily brightest man in the world to get on in
the BBC.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
You know, yeah, exactly, Hey, a couple of quick things
while I've got you, just quite the Transport Minister lawries
she quit. Is that a massive blow for Starma or not.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
It's a blow for starma, but not huge lose hay
like about a conviction for a mobile phone fraud from
about ten years ago, which she insists was kind of
a technicality. But I'm not so sure about that, ticking
around a little bit in it. Ok it's not a

(01:20:43):
good look. So no, not great, but not life ending.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Okay. The right to die vote and I know it's
got a long way to go yet. Yeah, but how
contentious is the issue generally? Is it as contentious as
it has been in any other country around the world.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
I'm not sure it is, I would argue. Sadly, I
find myself on the losing side of this one. Clearly,
the public opinion in this country is kind of sixty forty,
maybe even sixty five thirty five in favor of allowing
people to top themselves whenever they get the opportunity. It

(01:21:23):
was supposedly a very very good debate in the House
of Commons, and a lot of people spoke with great
emotion and so on and so on and so on,
and express themselves very well. But God has been removed
from the equation, you know. It was even removed by
the Archbison of Canterbury, justin Welby before he resigned that

(01:21:44):
Justin will be opposed since the dying, but didn't even
mention the religious side of it. And so we are
a secular country now and I think this will go
through pretty much unhindered.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Always good. I appreciate Rod Liddle and Britain three thirty
to two seventy five, so a majority of fifty five.
But as I say, there's the lords and back and forth,
and there's plenty to go. Then we come to just
before we leave Britain, the funniest story. It's the Cambridge
South Cambridgeshire District Council and they thought that doing the

(01:22:18):
four day week might be a good thing, like the
whole council does a four day week. The opposition council
is palpable anger from residents about the trial and raised
concerned staff may be taking on second jobs, no kidding,
So they they've decided they could probably go back to
five days a week, eight to forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
At b by the Way from nine, Mike, I'm increasingly
disappointed with Christoph Lucksen's performance as Prime Minister. When I
hear them laughing about the subject of the CRL. It
makes me frustrated that he can treat the plan of
the business as so lightly. Does he not realize that
people have lost their livelihood? It's not a bad point
here he was this morning, CRL. Do you know what
the problem is and is it serious?

Speaker 7 (01:23:04):
Not that I haven't been briefed on that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Don't you want to be it's the biggest infrastructural project
in the country. Well, yeah, well I would like to
know that at first. I've heard about it, but it
hasn't come to my desk. Oh my god, who's running
your office? For goodness sake, there's a massive hole in
blood underneath Auckland. Businesses have gone bust for years. On
the end, the thing is two, if not three times
over budget. It's years behind date. The French are lying
into the country because they're Bugget what's going on? I

(01:23:30):
asked the Prime Minister, And you don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:23:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
I want to give him the benefit of the doubt
and suggest that he was laughing out of embarrassment and
also madly craning his neck around the room looking for
somebody in the office who he might want to shoot
for not.

Speaker 17 (01:23:46):
Informing loosening his tie as he was getting hotter and hotter?

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Is that what you mean? It does? It does seem
it sort of almost triggers me back to Chris Hipkins
vibes yesterday which I.

Speaker 6 (01:23:56):
Didn't read much of the news over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Which triggered me back to Chris Dickins vice when he
was actually running the country, which triggered me back to
Jaindra dun Vibes, who didn't read anything either. So you
always want for better, but and I know you can't
be across everything, but I would argue and that it's
not like the CRL story with the French arriving in
a bunch of emergency meetings, isn't news, hasn't been news,

(01:24:22):
and indeed it was news to the point where Simeon Brown,
who does know about it, I know he knows about
it because he said he didn't want to comment on it.
And is it Simeon's job to go to the Prime
minister and go prime minister here's a couple of things
you might be want to or is it somebody in
Luckson's office to go prime minister? You know that guy
Hosking asks a whole series of random questions that nobody

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else in the media asks. Here's our list for this morning.
Could be any of or all of the above, or
none of the above, but just to get you fully
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Mosking Mike Christopher Luxen's in grave danger of losing what

(01:26:10):
should have been the unlosable. Getting two or more terms
should have been pretty much a formality. You're peaking way
too soon. We're sitting here in December of year one.
We will make up our minds by June July in
twenty twenty six. So let's just tie ho, as Shane
Jones would say, for a minute. I know our old

(01:26:32):
mate hasn't been on the program for a while, but
we must get him back for he goes Michael Rowland,
who's the host of the ABC television Breakfast show announced
his I don't think it's his retirement. I think he's
quitting and he may well end up doing something else.
But he's been on the television breakfast show at the
ABC for about fifteen years, but under fifteen years, and
he says, after fifteen years of three am starts, and

(01:26:53):
that's his problem. He's getting up too late. You got
to get you gotta get up. You got to get
up at a proper time when you're doing a breakfast
sho you're not getting up at three o'clock. You're running late.
See all those clowns downstairs in the music stations, that's
their problem. That's Michael's problems. He wasn't tired enough. You
need to be haggard. You need to be really buggered.
You need to be so bloody exhausted. You can't wait
for Christmas.

Speaker 17 (01:27:14):
But you're not quite sure what's coming out of your
mouth said any given second, like sometimes you progress doesn't
mean just words, sometimes sometimes fluids, sometimes sometimes weird solid
things that you don't go.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Does he prep for any of this? Is no nothing?
Five minutes away from.

Speaker 12 (01:27:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Right Best, the twenty four Enemy and Pitchfork. Are they
both online music magazines? Everything's online these days? So best
song of twenty twenty four enemy is named shappel Ryan,
who I'm told is a pain in the ars? Is
that true? Yep? So pain in the ass. Good luck, babe.
That's the best. There's the best song of all the

(01:28:01):
songs that were. Maybe it was none vigodiness unbelievable, wasn't it.
But Pitchfork named this one. This one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Hey hey, hey, hey, run for your lad Hey hey, hey,
hey Ruby, let me say.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
He's dissing Drake, not like us. Hey hey, hey, don't
for your la Hey hey hey, rain for your life.
There was a time, and it wasn't that far ago
that if I had done that and said, you think
there's a song on this that, don't be stupid, Michael.
You're too tired, you're getting up too early in the morning.
But no Rolling Stone of name the number one album
of the year. Listen to this.

Speaker 14 (01:28:41):
Okay, here's the plan I want to pray to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
We didn't preached this after eight o'clock any morning, did we?
Or did we?

Speaker 5 (01:28:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:28:53):
I think we did?

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Okay, we didn't. You see, we're in all early adapters on.

Speaker 17 (01:28:57):
This prem Yeah, we didn't do Kendrick. No, I don't
think we did Jeff Arone, and I'm pretty sure we did.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
We did this. Actually we did it because I said,
was that Charlie x XIX. It's too in the XS.

Speaker 17 (01:29:08):
You sound really cool when.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
You said that I did my little boomerack. Anyway, you
know that that's made up. I'm really hips at the moment,
and so I know all the stuff I just pretend.
I don't you know how that goes. Anyway, That's the
album of the year, and this is the show of
the year. And the good news is there's another one
as of tomorrow morning at six Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
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