Full Show Podcast: 04 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In New Zealand's home for trusted news and views.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
The My Hosking Breakfast with a Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life
Your Way, News, togs Head.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Be Welling, You welcome today, Big moves on GPS, doctors
from off shore and getting a script at midnight? Would
a power cable with Australia help our supply? If you
use the Wellington water shambles to be covered, the Prime
Minister will answer yes or no to everything. Catherine Field
and France.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Rod Little in the UK pasking get.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Into its seven past six. I know Chris Hipkins wandered
off to Papa Toto Primary on Friday for a good
bitch session with the principal over the school lunches. I have,
as I have said, tried to stay away from the
school lunch Winithon, but it's hard when so many people
have made such an industry of it, from the schools
to the unions, to the political parties to the media.
It is beyond a shadow of a doubt now a pylon.

(00:45):
It is political. It is not about meals or kids
or welfare. It's about politics and points scoring and pettiness.
Where I sided early on with them was delivery. I
mean school has regimented. Lunchtime is lunchtime, so you got
to deliver on time. And last week, though David Seymour
tells us they got right at least on one of
the days, one hundred percent of the time, so presumably
the problem solved. What we are left with is the

(01:06):
campaign to shame and embarrassed. This is where the media
comes in. Surely they can see what's going on here?
Is it really news? When yet another principle, yet another
unionist tells us about the wastage, how the kids don't
like the food. I mean, honestly, is kids not liking food?
Really all we have left to talk about? How about it?
They don't like it, they don't take it. How could

(01:27):
you one day argue kids with empty stomachs don't learn?
And yet, when given the answer, moans some more about taste?
Is the same meal eleven out of seventeen days when
hunger is the alternative really worth the complaint? More meals
are being offered for less money, surely a win, and
yet oh no, let's expand and expend even more energy,
complaining the counter other reports apparently of kids loving these meals,

(01:49):
so who would know? But over the past weeks. We
have cellophane difficulty, We have a lack of sense of community.
These are actual complaint. Are tens of thousands of dollars
bill to employ people to decid tribute the meals at schools.
They have gone out of their way to try and
convince you free food that we are paying for is
an insult, a cultural crime, a road to ruin. If

(02:09):
they can't grow up, if the media can't show some
level of responsibility, balls in the government's court, surely cancel
the program, call their bluff.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Trump would news of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Well.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Falling out and scrambling has continued over night as Europe
tries to stitch together something that looks cohesive by way
of a plan going forward, but even that looks hard.
The UK Ambassador to the US, Mandelssohn, suggest did Ukraine
stop shooting first, only for the Armed Services Minister to disagree.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
That's not government policy. And you wouldn't expect me to
commentate on every ups and down in the negotiations. But
we are seeking to find that lasting piece. But it's
certainly true that the Ukrainians want peace in their country.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
The Russians are piled in on the White House bust up.

Speaker 6 (02:54):
It's very important that someone makes Zelenski change his position.
Someone must make zelenze one peace. If the Europeans can
do this, honor and praise to them. Zelensky has shown
a complete lack of diplomatic skills.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
At the very least, Zelensky has hit back at the
growing us ages air started by Lindsay grime On said
that I really quit.

Speaker 7 (03:14):
I can give him these citizenship of Ukraine and then
his voice will start to gain weight and I will
hear him on the topic of who must be the president.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
But the European realization that more needs to be done
in defence has been lived this morning by Astonia.

Speaker 8 (03:34):
Estonia is spending now on fence about three point four
percent of a budget, and we're actually aiming up to
five percent.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Other medals in Europe. Now, the cow's driven into a
crowd in Germany.

Speaker 9 (03:48):
Multiple people have been seriously injured. We can't yet tell
you how many and how serious the injuries are. We
can confirm that one person has been arrested. We can't
say at the moment whether multiple people are behind this.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
The men stateside, the mystery of the Hackman death no
closer to being sorted with friends none the wiser. After COVID, he.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
He was more reclusive and not protecting his in the
oven system and everything else.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I really am.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Puzzled by the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
It's kind of a tragic mystery.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
And we all puzzled. Finally, James Harrison's died now. He
was the Australia known as the Man with the Golden Arm.
He donated plasma every two weeks from the age of eighteen.
That plasma contained a rare and precious antibody known as
the anti d and it was that plasma that was
used to save the lives of more than two million babies.
He's considered a national hero, received the Medal of Honor

(04:40):
of Australia. He was eighty eight. He was the world
in ninety. I've got some inflation for you, but good
news on inflation in the Eurozone two point four was
two point five, so she's trending in the right direction.
Cor inflation two point six, so I think they'll take it.
And oh my lord, if I found expansion in China
factory activity it's up to fifty point eight. Billy gets
across the line, but will take it fifty point eight

(05:00):
the Cason SMPG Global Manufacturing Purchasing Managers Index forecast of
fifty point three. So it beat it. So you know,
all signs of life we're happy to take. Twelve past six.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
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Speaker 3 (05:21):
Getting quite a bit of this. Mike had scrapples, called lunches,
its parents' responsibility, and just proving that uncertainty is good
for defense stocks. Aerospace Defense Index rose by eight percent.
This is in Europe, best session in five years. Germany's
Hensult surge twenty nine percent, Rent Group eighteen percent, Dessault
Aviation seventeen percent, Rolls Royce as in the Engine seven
point two percent. It's good for business. Fifteen past six,

(05:46):
Speaking of which, from JM My Wealth Andrew Kellah, good morning,
Good Monny Mite. Yes, welcome to Teriff Week.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, Tiff Week time will tell what actually eventuates here,
but does it sounds right now to the best of
my knowledge, this week, In fact, within the next twenty
four hours, we should see the introduction of significant tariffs
on US imports. Now everybody out there will be howling
at their radios. Of course, this has been threatened before,
hasn't it. I mean, you recall what it was four

(06:13):
weeks ago, now, wasn't it that we saw We saw
the initial threat of twenty five percent tariffs on imports
from Canada and Mexico, and then you saw a fairly
immediate postponement. They have got ten percent tariffs on Chinese
impulse have been imposed. We could see another ten percent there.
I think it's all due to kicking at midnight Monday

(06:34):
in the US. But obviously the big numbers are related
to Mexico and Canada, and it's all associated with a
flow of fence and all that drove across the borders,
an illegal migration. But you know, this does, as I've
highlighted before, this dwarfs the impact of the tariffs in
the first term, because you're talking about one point five
trillion width of impults being affected here. I think Trump

(06:57):
has a press conference at one New York time, which
I think will be seven o'clock, so we may get
an update there. And it's been hinted that potentially these
tariffs could be less than twenty five percent. We're just
gonna have to wait and see they aren't we because
who knows with President Trump.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Indeed, bring it back here. I like the look of
these numbers. When your export money is up and your
inport money is down, that's a good sign, isn't.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
It's absolutely right. So in start contrast to the US,
we've got a bit of good news here on this
is our terms of trade.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Look, it's a little dated.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
This is released yesterday, data for the December twenty fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
But yeah, positive news for the final quarter of last year.
So we remind on what this is.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Terms of trade figures represent the ratio of export prices
to import prices, so as stats New Zealand say, it
can be interpreted as a measure of New Zealand's purchasing
power on the international stage and indicator of the relative
strength of New Zealand economy and in the court of
the export price in x rows three point two percent.
Import prices though rose a very modest zero point one

(08:00):
percent compared to the previous quarter.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
So meat products they're doing very well.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Second largest export commodity by value rose six point eight percent.
There Land was up seven percent, beef and veal up
six point one You see all good price growth in
meat products through most of twenty twenty four dairy.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
We all know what's going on there.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
The prices a rising, our biggest export commodity group prices
rose three point five percent. On the import side, weaker
prices for petroleum and petroleum products they helped keep the
import prices under check.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
So yes, good, right, So where when do they get?
When does the warehouse get out of this quagmire they
seem to have been in for a sustained period of time.
Oh gosh, who knows?

Speaker 4 (08:38):
I mean the question as it occurred to me, it's one.
At what point does the warehouse itself become a bargain?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah? Yesterday we had the release.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Of the preliminary twenty five financially your first half result
and an update on the outlook for the balanced financial year.
Few comments from the company here, Mike, ongoing at retail
trading headwards in New Zealand have slowed the pace of
the turnaround, luggish economic recovery, lower customer demand. That's all
putting pressure on their gross margins.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Because I suspect.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Analysts, we're more focused on the outlook here and here
as the company says, there remains significant uncertainty.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
There's that word again.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Around the twenty five financial years second half performance and
the momentum of New Zealand's economic recovery. They're looking at
a second half year result similar to last year's, which
was a loss of circer fourteen million. On an encouraging note,
they are seeing positive signs that the new product and
pricing strategies are resonating with customers. Share price yesterday wasn't

(09:36):
resonating down eight cents to ninety one cents. I was
over an eight percent four years, so I think that's
an all time low. Look, when you're trying to engineer
a turnaround in a very challenging retail market, it's tough going.
And but what's interesting, though, Mike, is those comments tend
to support what we were talking about last week that
the economic recovery looks like it's going to be more

(09:57):
evident second half.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Of the year in the first half the year, hope.
So I did buy two boxes of ten lots of
highlighters from them the other day, so well done. You've
got to have the highlighters out exactly, so I hope
that helps. What are the numbers?

Speaker 4 (10:10):
So at the moment, the US market's a little bit weaker,
but only only small. Dow Jones is down thirty eight
points forty three thousand, eight hundred and four. The S
and P five hundred is down eleven points five nine
hundred and forty three, so that's about point two percent,
and the NASUK down about point three percent fifty four
points eighteen.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Thousand, seven hundred and ninety two.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Overnight, the forty one hundred gained about three quarters of
percent eight eight seven four. The Nike had a strong
session one point seven percent gain thirty seven thousand, seven
hundred and eighty five. Shangha composite just down four points
three three one six. The Aussies yesterday gained point nine percent,
the ASX two hundred closing at eight two four five.

(10:51):
The n S the next fifty started the week with
a point four one percent loss fifty one points. Twelve thousand,
five hundred and fifty one New Zealand dollar on the
wholesale markets will buy you a point five sixty three
one US point nine oh one seven Ozzie point five
three six three Euro point four four three one pounds
eighty four point five eight. Japanese yend Gold is trading

(11:12):
it to twenty eight hundred and ninety hund dollars and
Breakforuit starting behaving itself at the start of the week,
seventy two dollars and fifty.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Seven cents nic stuff See you tomorrow. Andrew kelliher Jomwealth
dot co dot n z pasking g global headline is
one hundred and twenty percent growth and operating profit. But
there's a little bit of the cyclone recovery. It's a
year of recovery there. They're into tomatoes and citrus and
berries and stone fruit apples are going really well for them.
But overall their report yesterday was good and we'll take
that as well. Six twenty one here reduced Talk zedby.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
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Speaker 3 (11:52):
Speaking of tariffs, as Andrew was just a couple of
moments ago, the Treasury Secretary yesterday, Scot Percent said, don't
worry about them. Tariffs are unlikely to write inflation if
you believe that. Because then Warren Buffett came on. He
doesn't comment on politics very often, but he says tariffs
are actually we've had a lot of experience with them.
They're an act of war to some degree over time,

(12:12):
their attacks on goods, I mean the tooth fairy doesn't
pay them, So how do you believe.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
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big brand ftaments.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Now if you're not up with the Oscar's main takeaway
from me who had a wife wandering in and out
of the room with the sound blaring and eye was
relegated to the office to watch sky News was that
it was a bit unfunny and a bit bland and
Noorrah big winner, Best Picture, Best Actress, Best Director, Original Screenplay,
Best Film editing Conan O'Brien. It was suggested was better
than Jimmy Kimmel, who had done it for the last
four years. Although according to Miss Hawksby, not a patch

(12:45):
on Billy Crystal. No one's a patch on Billy Crystal.
She was a lengthy old affair, as indeed were the
ad breaks over three and a half hour of brutalist
long So if you're complaining about the Brutalist, you would
have complained about this first oscars. By the way, in
nineteen twenty nine, they're only fifteen minutes. They should go
back and learn from history. Top three cringe moments biggest
joke that fell flat, LA Firefighters there on stage to

(13:05):
be acknowledged, told to read some jokes that no one
was allowed to dispute because these guys are heroes.

Speaker 10 (13:09):
Well, our hearts go out to all of those who
have lost their homes.

Speaker 11 (13:14):
And I'm talking about the producers of Joker too.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
The parious songwriters won the Oscar for Best Original. Then
prove why the songwriters not singers while accepting and to
our children moneya we love you and thank.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
You to him me.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
In me, and they call them indulgent. It's hard to believe,
isn't it. Dose you can't least it from Black Pink
and Ray did a musical medley of James Bond stuff.

(13:57):
Doja did Diamonds of the River and some people thought
she got a little little offie on the top notes.

(14:21):
And we haven't even mentioned Adrian Broder, who came across
as possibly the most self important prat of the modern age.
So that was that if you missed it, you missed
very little. Now, the idea that we've got this cable
between New Zealand, it's two things that I'm surprised we
haven't thought on before. One was this announcement from the
government yesterday about getting online and getting a scripted in
the hour of the day or night. Why the hell
haven't we thought of that before? And this other idea,

(14:42):
We've got a cable between New Zealand and Australia to
solve our power supply problems. Have a look at it
in just a couple of moments after the news which
is next her news talks ed.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
But setting me agenda and talking the big issues, the
mic hanting, breakfast with the range rover villa designed to
intrigue and use dogs.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Dead be cop on truth social A couple of moments ago,
Zelenski apparently said that a deal to me in the
war is very very far away. This is the worst.
This is Trump. This is the worst statement that could
have been made by Zelensky in America will not put
up with it much longer. It is what I was saying.
This guy doesn't want to be there to be peaceful
as long as he has America's backing and Europe. In
the meeting they had with Zelenski, he stated flatly that

(15:24):
they cannot do the job without the US. Probably not
a great statement to have made in terms of a
show of strength against Russia. What are they thinking? Estonia're
an outstairby night. Well, what they're thinking is they need
to spend more on defense. Of course the Australians are
noted sending some tanks more tanks, but we'll talk to
the Prime Minister about that. Estonia led the way overnight.
They're currently a three point four percent of GDP, looking

(15:45):
to go to five and starmers in two.

Speaker 8 (15:47):
On Tuesday announced the biggest the stage increase in defense
spending since the Cold War, a recognition of the fact
that once again we live in an era where peace
in Europe depends upon strength and de terrence, but also
a rediscovery of the old post war argument long held

(16:10):
on these benches that economic security is national security.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
We'll get you to Brook now for a thirty this
morning meantime of twenty two minutes away from seven Captain
Field and France, of course in the capital of moments.
As we hit into another winter with a vild tannic
over parents supply, what about a cable that links Australia
If plans of green construction would take four years apparently
and be completed by twenty thirty two, tes Link co
director Richard homewoods with us on this Richard Morning to you.

Speaker 11 (16:36):
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Is it real?

Speaker 11 (16:39):
It's real, Matte?

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Absolutely okay, So you just plug it in here, plug
it in there, and Bob's your uncle.

Speaker 11 (16:44):
That's a lot of more involved that you're getting the idea.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
So what do you need green light wise and who
says go for it?

Speaker 11 (16:52):
So for us, the green light we're announcing today is
that we've been doing R and D for the last
two and a half years with a team of global
as HBDC experts and one of the biggest manufacturers in
the world, primarily to ensure that we can lay the
cable at the required depth and distance and we've kind
of now reached that point that we're confident it can
go ahead. So that's a big green light we're announcing today.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Who would own it?

Speaker 11 (17:17):
Fundamentally, from an ownership perspective, our focus has always been
on making sure the cable can wash its own face.
We're not going out and asking for government funding, but
we are aware of the fact that it will become
a very integral and important part of both electricity markets,
and there may be some desire for government ownership, potentially
on one side or the other. But again we're not

(17:37):
going out and asking for that we're making sure it
just stands on the zone two feet and you would expect.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
The power industry to buy into that and make themselves
available or the cable would become available to them.

Speaker 11 (17:48):
Yeah. So the way from a power industry perspective, we've
obviously engaged substantially with AMO on the Australian side and
Transpower on the New Zealand side, and as well as
the Electricity Authority over here too, and by all accounts,
they simply will see us as a generator and also
a load and so there's nothing in terms of market
integration that's the show stopper. But of course they would

(18:10):
start to need to consider one another in their day
to day operations and really start operating as one transasman market.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
How would any of them individually take what they had
by way of power and stick it in that cable.

Speaker 11 (18:25):
So the way the electricity market works in New Zealand
is all generators sell on to a sort of open
spot market and so regardless whether they have or a
gentilea or if they have other trading arrangements, everything in
New Zealand clears through a central market. So fundamentally, all
we're doing is buying in one market and selling another

(18:46):
or vice versa, depending on which way the electricity is flowing.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Okay, And in that given our current situation in New Zealand,
we don't have any spare capacity, so it wouldn't be
flowing to Australia. Would a lot flow from Australia to
New Zealand? And if that was the way opened, is
that a problem?

Speaker 11 (19:02):
So it's definitely going to be flowing both ways. We've
obviously unsubstantial modeling on this ahead of time. In terms
from a day to day perspective, New Zealand has a
morning peak followed by Australia, followed by New Zealand's evening
peak and followed by Australia. So what we've modeled is
there will be sort of day to day trade between
the two markets between the peaks. But also separately to

(19:24):
that you mentioned earlier about the winter problem, and you're
totally right, New Zealand also has a seasonal peak issue
with winter, particularly cold mornings and evenings. On the other hand,
Australia has the opposite problem. They actually have a hot
summer day peak issue. All their adages happen when they
get those stinking hot foy degree days and that's typically
when we have surplus power. And whilst you wouldn't believe it,

(19:46):
there are periods in time where New Zealand actually gets
very low power prices close to zero, and so those
periods do occur. But on the other hand, Australia has
a massive surplus of daytime renewables and has a big
problem with negative daytime power prices, which is obviously an
opportunity for New Zealand to benefit from.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Wrap a word around this, is this a game changer?
Quite interesting, a moderate improvement.

Speaker 11 (20:11):
What it will be the largest single game changer to
the New Zealand market, and also a very meaningful positive
change on the Australian side, less so the New Zealand
but nonetheless still very significant.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Fantastic. Go well with it and we'll stay in touch.
Richard Homewood, who's with Tazlink eighteen minutes away from seven
task Musk wants out of NATO in the UN. It's
an interesting thing, Musk. On one hand, the media spends
a lot of time going he's not elected, he's not
in cabinet and so therefore indicating that he's of no
real relevance or importance, and then they report everything, he says,

(20:46):
so I'm just not sure where they're at. By the way,
Trump announced a crypto deal, a crypto reserve with a
bunch of currencies that he wants involved. He set up
a while ago, through one of his little squiggly pen
things on the paper in the office, a presidential working
group to move forward on a crypto strategic reserve. Unclear

(21:08):
with the creating a new national strategic stockpile would require
an Act of Congress, so he hasn't quite thought that
one through. But there's five bitcoins in their ethereum XRP, Solana, Kadano.
They're all in there, so we'll see where it goes.

Speaker 10 (21:22):
The thing that always impresses me when he does those
executive orders with the big pen on the big piece
of paper is he has seems to have the ability
to be able to stop halfway through the signature to
make a comment and then carry on.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
I don't think. I don't want to go there. I
don't want to go there because what you just alerted
me to is you're right, you're correct. I thought maybe
he's wearing himself out and it's a big signature and
he's just tired. Have a look at his leg. So
the big thing on the internet this morning is his leg.
He's got something wrong with his leg. He's possibly wearing
a brace on his leg and he's dragging his leg.

(21:55):
And when you see the video it's true. And then
you go the the inference now is he's not well
because he's dragging his leg. So if you've got time today,
I know you don't, but if you do, go have
a look.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Sixteen to two The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast
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Speaker 3 (22:18):
Be fair, once you've seen his leg, you can't unsee it.
It's just so obvious. When you see it, you go
whoo really. Fourteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
International Correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Captainfield and France. Morning to you, Good morning mane. You're
center of the world at the moment. And have we
got a deal? I we got something cohesive. I got
a stone here, overnights and more money. I got keer
overnights and more money. I've got the possibility of some
sort of sea spy. Have we got something really cohesive
and tangible here or not?

Speaker 12 (22:48):
I'm afraid not At the moment, it sends to me
everyone's sort of fumbling around deciding what to do, trying
to get everyone on the same page. The only thing
that I can say that everyone agreed to after that
very important EU NATO meeting in London over the weekend
was that there are real fears the US will side

(23:11):
with Russia over Ukraine and that Europe needs to do
something about it. I mean, UK Prime Minister Kstarma says
that Europe's now at a crossroads. French President macarm saying
it's quarter to midnight and Europe's got to do something.
What they've got to do, Mike, We've said this before.
For eighty years, Europeans have relied on that US security umbrella,

(23:34):
that great American strength that's provided stability in Europe since
the end of the Second World War. So they would
need to provide their own defense. They can't do that overnight.
And to be honest with you, Mike, as well as
them talking about increased defense spending, and they're talking about
figures such as nine hundred billion US dollars and extra

(23:54):
defense spending over the next couple of years, we're also
hearing talks that France, which of course is the only
EU country with nuclear capability, that they could transfer their
nuclear umbrella to the whole of the EU if the
Americans decide to pull out of Europe, to pull out
their nuclear capability from Europe. I mean, that's the sort

(24:16):
of conversations people are having.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
What I got from Trump, and I'm not taking sight
on this, but what I got from Trump that made
sense to me was this thing's going nowhere. This is
three years of a quagmire. So let's get a ceasefire
going here and then see where we go from There.
Is Europe not on board with that?

Speaker 12 (24:33):
Well, absolutely, it's on board. And we've had the Macron,
French president and Stamer both coming up with this idea
of a one month truce in Ukraine. Now what they're
saying that truth would be in the air, at sea
and on energy infrastructure, And what they're saying is if
they can get that on place. The French Foreign Minister says,
that would show whether Vladimir Putin is acting in good faith,

(24:56):
whether he really wants to end the conflict. So the problem, oh, Mike,
is whatever they do, they need to make sure that
rushall abide by it. Ukraine needs it to survive, and
of course the US will be trusted to play its
part in that. Now, bringing all these together now, especially
after what we saw in the Oval Office on Friday,

(25:18):
that great golf that we've got between Zelensky and the
Trump administration and Starmer and Macron, who at this time
last week were playing the statesman going and talking to Trump.
Whether that can happen really looks very unlikely.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Okay, can we? Except that the minerals idea that Trump
has is not in their view Europe's view, are cogent
enough and solid enough to be a guarantee. Is that fear?

Speaker 1 (25:49):
That's it?

Speaker 12 (25:49):
Yeah, that was what the Ukrainians were saying. We've got
to have some sort of guarantee on that.

Speaker 13 (25:54):
Now.

Speaker 14 (25:54):
That security guarantee can.

Speaker 12 (25:55):
Mean your intelligence sharing, long range artillery, air cover, and
that's what they don't have. And the other thing, of course,
that the Ukrainians are saying is that deal over in
minerals does not keep military aid flowing. There's nothing in
there that safeguards Ukrainian sovereignty. It doesn't deter any future aggression.

(26:16):
That's why there's that problem there when it comes to
talking about ensuring Ukraine has not just to seat at
the table.

Speaker 11 (26:24):
But that it does have a future.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Okay, good to talk to you, catherinell ketch up, so
appreciate it very much, Catherine Field. By the way, I
came out of the Telegraph, I think it was in
the Sydney Morning Herald yesterday. King Charles's role in this
because Trump loves Charles, and Charles wants to be an intermediary.
He's always wanted to be a peacemaker, and so he
met with Zelensky yesterday. He might well be the intermediary
that people are looking for. So read that's an interesting,

(26:48):
interesting insight. Nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
The Mike Hosking breakfast with Bailey's real estate news.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Talks did be Mike, You're clearly right, the kids aren't hungry.
I don't know in the New Zealand media still piling
in on the school's lunch, because the only station I
listened to is we'll talk to the Prime Minister about it.
I don't know whether he's thinking he's suggesting that Seymour's
got a problem with this, that this is something that's
bubbling and brewing in Wellington that they need to get
on top of. But there's no question in my mind.
It's a pile on Jack Vitriano if you know the name. Unfortunately,

(27:17):
he's passed away at the age of seventy three. Part
of that will be because he was one of those
angsty artists who had a relationship break up and hit
the pills and the boos and all that sort of stuff.
But his work is brilliant and he's been found dead
in France. Lived the better part of his life in France. Anyway,
go look at his picture today if you've got time.
The singing but he needed many of them. It's brilliant,
brilliant work. But the singing Butler's the most famous one
became the most expensive Scottish painting ever sold when it's

(27:40):
sold for one point five million back in two thousand
and four. But it's a brilliant painting. Five minutes away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
For the ins and the ouse.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
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Speaker 3 (27:53):
Now from Centric some indication that area's numbers are up,
but when you consider how many you are actually in
areas overall, doesn't actually bank that bad a picture. Dealing
with January good news, first month on month. Consumer areas
up a little bit, most likely because we've well we're
going nuts at Christmas, of course, so we have around
four hundred and seventy thousand of us behind on our payments,
first time since COVID years. Though, the consumer areas are

(28:13):
actually down year on year, so they're down five percent.
Mortgage up slightly as well, but once again in line
with seasonal expectations. Twenty two thousand, one hundred mortgageccounts that
have passed you as that a lot, not really, I
mean they could you could say it's an eight year high,
which it is, but it represents one point five percent
of all loan so in other words, you know, ninety
eight point five percent of people are fine. Personal loan

(28:34):
areas are up nine point two percent, relatively stable when
you compare it with this period in previous years. Financial
hardship generally up nineteen percent year on year, but again,
if you look at the numbers, that's only fourteen thousand,
three hundred cases, not really many out of five and
a half million people. Forty six percent of these cases
related to the mortgage, and thirty percent of the credit card.
Highest rate of financial hardship thirty five to forty nine

(28:56):
year olds. Centric says, this is most certainly down all
my certainly down to the mortgages going from three percent
to six point seven percent, to be then coming back
down now of course credit card demand that's up twenty
two point four percent. Never, never, never can really tell
whether it's you're feeling bullish so you want a bit
of credit to go crazy, or whether you're desperate and
you need the credit. Not for carso we're not into

(29:17):
cars at the moment. Car Loans down eight point four percent,
So that gives you a little little snapshot of what's
going on in our wonderful economy at the moment. Now,
speaking of money, a lot of money going to the
GPS if they open their books back up for doctors
and nurses. Bit a tech around being able to get
a scripted at any hour of the day or night.
Why we haven't thought of that sooner. I've got no idea.

(29:37):
So we'll crunch through that in the next half hour
of the program and Christopher Luxen as well as after
seventh thirty being a Tuesday morning, of course, meantime on
the Mic Hosking Breakfast News is next.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
The Breakfast Show.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Kiwi's trust to stay in the know, the Mic Hosking
Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate Finding the buyers, others cards
use togs head.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Bly seven past seven to movement at the g DUPS
with a new incentive payment for primary clinics to hire
graduate nurses and you twenty four to seven digital service
for advice and scripts, as well as one hundred placements
for obaseas training doctors, two hundred and eighty five million
dollars for GPS who open their books. The College for
GP's president, Samantha mertens with us, Samantha, good morning to you,
Good morning, How are you very well? Indeed, this has
got to be good news.

Speaker 15 (30:20):
Yeah, it's the biggest price we've head into general practice
for a very long time. So it's excellent to have
this investment.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Why then am I listening to the news bulletins this
morning full of people moaning.

Speaker 15 (30:33):
I think there's a lot of people will feel like
it's a drop in the bucket because there is so
much that needs to change in so much of movement
where we need that having some feels like we need
so much more. But I think the thing about it
is we do need to start somewhere. No one's going
to say, look, here, have double your money and to

(30:54):
see how you go with it. We need to start incrementally,
and there was an intimation that would be more. So
this is just the parts of it that we know
that we can do. We've got that. We want nurses
just get nieces and support them to do their training
in primary care rather than the hospital. That's got to
be a good thing because otherwise they'll just stand in
the hospital for ever.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Because listen to the Prime Minister at the press conference yesterday,
once again he reiterated what I thought was exceedingly obvious thing.
If you help at the GP level, you're going to
save at the ED end, aren't you.

Speaker 15 (31:25):
Oh totally, you absolutely are right.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
So these doctors, by the way, the overseas trained doctors,
are they that far removed from what they need to
be in New Zealand. If you come from Australia or
Britain or India or whatever, it's whatever training you received overseas,
that weird and wonderful that you have to be retrained here.

Speaker 15 (31:43):
For people who have trained in a jurisdiction that's very
different from ours. So it might be someone who's trained
in a setting in say China, where you don't do
medicine the way we do medicine, and or in Pakistan
or various countries that have not do not have same
system as we do. So then they come and do

(32:04):
their indeed rex exam, which is an exam to say
are you at our medical student level, and then they
have to do two years to get to their general
registration so that they could go off and do vocational
training in any area they want to. That's always been
that two years has always been in a hospital, and

(32:25):
the hospitals struggle to have these people and take up
the volume, and primary or general practice never get to them.
So being able to shift those people to do their
provisional training in the general practice setting where they see
so much stuff, anyverthing that they can. I had a
lady who came from the Philippines and she has done

(32:46):
several of her studints and in the hospital and then
came in to see us and went for her second
year with us, and the first day she goes, I
feel like a real doctor because we do absolutely everything
every day. So it's a great place for people to let,
excellent place for people to learn. We do need the
capacity for those training them to supervise them. And that's

(33:09):
one of the sticking points that we need to work on,
which is how do we make sure people can supervise
their students in a way that makes sure that they
are learning really well.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
So the twenty four to seven digital thing strikes me
as should have been done ten years ago. And I
mean to be able to click, and I mean that's
just more common sense, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (33:25):
Yeah, it is, And I think people want to be
able to get their care straight away and having it
digital on tap when you need it is an excellent thing.
And when you are not able to travel, I mean
I still people still drive to lots of places. They
drive to the hospital, they drive to edging here, and
having an online service is a great way. You cannot

(33:47):
do everything online, but you can do a lot online.
And if I have patients I talk to every week,
I say to them or every day, you know, let's
do this consultation online because we're just filing up on
the results. They've got somethings that are really easy to cover.
But I think you know you're not going to have
are you going to have a pharmacy open at eleven
o'clock at night. Probably not. So there's still be a

(34:09):
little bit.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Have you had a busy day? You go nine point fifteen,
you click and you get your script and you're there
for the next morning, Archie, as opposed to driving and
waiting and checking. I mean, it all makes sense to
meet Samantha. Yeah, yep, nice to talk to you. Appreciate
Samantha Merton and sit almost so much moaning in this country.
Eleven minutes past seven. Anyway, why couldn't Ritty have come
up with that? What was Ritty doing all that time?

(34:32):
You know when you're talking about click and collecting the script,
why wasn't this announced, you know, six months ago? Anyway,
we'll come back to the Prime Minister Rapter seven thirty.
Yet more material that reinforces the idea that Wellington is
a mess. This is the Wellington Water Report. Of course,
there's a scandal all over the place here. Theft was found,
cost of doing things were at times three times higher
than anywhere else. There was little of any oversight as
to whether they were being ripped off. So today we

(34:54):
end up with the obligatory emergency meeting. Of course, the
Upper Heart City Mirror is Wayne Guppy who is with us? Wayne,
morning to you wanting Mike, if I'd ask you six
months ago whether this would be as bad as it is,
would you have said, yeah, I already know about this.

Speaker 16 (35:07):
Well, my counsel has been going on about this for
about three or four years. But it's falling on deaf years.
So we certainly smelled a rat. We thought we were
being over overcharged and you know, the way it was
run wasn't right, but my fellow colleagues protected them and continued.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
To When you say your fellow colleagues, you're talking about
the other councils, that's.

Speaker 16 (35:31):
Right correct exparring Wellington. Wellington initiated an independent review WHI
from twelve to fifteen months ago and it clearly showed
to are real issues. The issues that have raised now
out of these two reports were there when the Melbourne
and independent company from Melbourne to the report. We tried
to get it onto the agenda of the Wellington Water Committee.
They didn't want to discuss it.

Speaker 11 (35:50):
No.

Speaker 16 (35:50):
And again so that the warning signs were there and
Wellington City had had initiated that that that investigation on
their own that was never discussed.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
PM yesterday said it's not a proper CECO needs to
be a proper CEO. It does it and if it was,
would that have fixed it?

Speaker 16 (36:10):
With the governance structure probably would have been different. And
that's what we're hoping that as we work towards the
local water has done well. That's about fixing the issues
that you know, and there are a number of issues
the governments, the ownership, et cetera, et cetera. That's where
the government wants to head and that's what we're working
towards rather quickly, and particularly now with the outcome of
these two reports.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
I looked at the executive board or the executive team
at Wellington Water. They all seem to be in acting
positions as there was sort of a change over going
on at the moment where a few people are being
moved on.

Speaker 16 (36:41):
Well, there's people have left and of course, look me
uncertainly over the last three or four years and the
water in the restrict probably hasn't helped as far as
the the you know, as far as personnel concerned in
the workforce, but certainly from the point of view of
where we sit today, I mean one Eton Water should
be in a holding pattern, needs to be set up.
The new organization.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Good Onnyone. Appreciate it, Wayne Guppy. Another indication of why
this country's buggered. Fourteen minutes past seven Pasking can't make
this stuff up. Mind you were selling everything secondhand. Great
insight this morning from trade me. Circular economy has grown
by half a billion dollars in the past year. We're
selling old tat. I love selling old tat. I love
throwing old tat out. More than four thousand people took

(37:18):
part in the survey. Average key, we are about thirteen
hundred and fifty dollars worth of unwanted tat run around
we go. It's fifty dollars more than last year. Eighty
nine percent of US. Eighty nine percent of US did
something pre loved, bought or sold in the last six month.
Seventy nine percent have sold at least one pre loved
item in the last six months, closed shoes, accessories, books, CDs, DVDs,

(37:39):
and we do it why, creating space and earning extra money.
So it's one of those things that unites a sport
war and selling old tat on trade me. We're all
into it.

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Speaker 3 (37:57):
That'd be our favorite military analyst mcrian back with the
eight o'clock This Morning seventeen past seven. Not surprisingly turns
out a health star system and other things you see
on the side of food that's not up to much either.
New studies found only minor health gains have been main nutrition.
As Nikki hearts with this, Nikki, good morning, morning, Mike.
I could have told you this is very rudimentary, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (38:17):
Yes, yes, we still want the consumer to have faith
in the products that they're buying, right, but my problem
with it is that if there's not good uptake on it,
the food manufacturers look as though they're picking and choosing
which products stars on Well they are, yes, you know,
and it's fun to pack labeling. So and it's be honest,

(38:39):
package food is never going to be as good as
unpackaged food. So we've got to give the consumer some
idea of what their product is that product healthy. But
you know, unless there's greater uptake in this, how's the
consumer spused to know?

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Could you ever get around it? Even if you made
it compulsory? All the stuff we bring in packaged from offshore,
you can't expect them to do it and become a problem.

Speaker 17 (39:01):
Well, yeah, we do import a lot of products, right,
but you know we are getting on top of those
important products as well. I think the thing for me
is that the food manufacturers that have been upfront and
reformulated the products are doing a good job. It's just
is just not enough buying and until there's enough buy

(39:22):
and the consumer is still in the dark about how.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Much consumer buying do we need. In other words, if
you look at a packet, you can in fact see
it's not the star system, it's the ingredients on the back,
and if you know what the ingredients are, it's all
there if you want it.

Speaker 17 (39:36):
Yeah, but I mean a lot of people don't look
at the back of the Packet's not really it's the
fund to the packets that they're looking at. So that's
where that health star is quite useful because it gives
you an idea. But it's packaged food, mic.

Speaker 16 (39:48):
You know, it's not for fruit or a vegetable.

Speaker 17 (39:51):
So just because there's fruit and vegetables, perhaps an amusally
bar doesn't mean that that allows you to opt out
of eating freat and vegetables.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
This is true, Nicki Well said appreciate it. Hearts and
nutritionis with us, by the way, speaking of food, tremendous upset.
So we're having a little bit of fun on Friday
about the receipts from MPs and what they've been spending on.
And we had the Magnum of wine, and we had
some parking, and we had we had Christmas and laundry.
We still haven't got to the bottom of the laundry bill.
But then we had a burger and the burger turned

(40:20):
into a scandal. More of high have time in just
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la SK twenty four. But a pushback coming from some
sectors of the education business. I note towards the reading, writing,

(41:39):
and maths tests. Now, these are the tests we're failing.
Those failing most come from poor backgrounds. I'm not sure
equating monetary status and academic success should be a thing,
but a bunch of principles from quote unquote the poorest
communities have got together to lobby the government to stop
these tests because it will lead to more kids leading
school with no qualifications. So after two rounds of these tests,

(42:01):
more than half failed reading and writing, seventy five percent
failed numeracy. You can't get university the entrance if you
don't get these great Now, there is no doubt that
failure affects attitude, and there is equally no doubt that
for some the sort of the given up scenario must
be tempting if the hurdle is too high. But then
it's also no doubt that allowing kids to leave school

(42:22):
having failed is a failure in and of itself, and
that any country that has any level of success globally
is not a country that goes soft on education. The
principle's answer is the answer that has failed as for years,
the Chris Hipkins COVID answer give them something for nothing.
Alternative to an exam is an extra twenty credits scenario
that's due to expire at the end of twenty twenty seven.

(42:43):
They want that made permanent, and instead of twenty credits,
they want it made into sixty credits. Like Hipkins and COVID,
you remember that extra credits for not actually doing anything,
just just extra credits for life. Being a bit crap. Now,
no one gains when we do this. It's excuse making.
It's an acceptance that we fail and are failing, and
failure is part of what we do. You can either

(43:05):
read or write or you can't. You can either add
up or you can't. And if you can't, having people
pretend you can doesn't actually fix anything. Part of why
this country is where it is is because we're apologists
and areas like this, and instead of being determined to
fix it, we set about looking for ways to excuse it.
Asking not good news from the Vatican or the hospital.

(43:28):
Another hard day, their words, not mine. Conditions still complex.
The Holy Father presented two episodes of acute respiratory failure
caused by a significant accumulation of mucus, and they did
two bronchioscopies, and therefore they were performed, and it was
so a bit ugly. It was a repeat of the

(43:49):
thing they did the other day. So they've done three
of them now, so the prognosis remains reserved, is their
official situation, by the way, Louise Upston. So the receipt
came back for the Philly Cheese Steak double Big AGA's
Combo with coke zero and some extra onion rings. So

(44:12):
we mentioned this on Friday. No big deal. I'm not
judging it, no judging, no judging here.

Speaker 10 (44:17):
In fact, probably the least amount of judgment that we
passed was on that particular. Everybody needs a bit of
a greasy berg every now and again.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
I've never had one, but sounds good. Anyway, our office
rings up. They want an apology. They want an apology
because it wasn't her, it was a staff member. I
could tell you who the staff member was, but I'm
not going to. They just ping the staff member. I mean,
what's worse ordering the Philly cheese steak with some extra
onion rings or pinging a staff member? I mean, come on, anyway,

(44:47):
So they want an apology, what sort of apology would
you like, Louise? I am so so so sorry, Louise.

Speaker 10 (44:52):
Say hang on, she just flicked her card to somebody
else and they use Glenn.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
You're making a meal of this. You're drawing attention to this,
almost as though the office ringing up wasn't going to
draw attention to this. Seems a strange media approach to tape,
but nevertheless, this is the approach they want. They want
the apology and Louise you may have the apology the
staff member had the police chief steak. Anyway, let's talk
to the Prime minister about it.

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Speaker 3 (45:28):
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and Australians back with the South related clock who are
looking to tell one the Chinese but to the Ukraine situation.
Of course, mean time, Chi is the morning Prime Ministers
back in the country and is with us. Very good
morning to you. Good morning, Mike Hawa is very well.

Speaker 16 (45:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
The two hundred and eighty MILLIONI ish you announced yesterday
for the various ideas around health. Where did that come from?
That can't be new money?

Speaker 13 (45:52):
Well, there's actually four announcements there, three of it as
actually as new money. It's up against budget twenty five
and the two hundred and eighty five million dollars open
up to incentivize doctors to open up their books more
to new patients and things as actually is actually from
existing money. The part of the seventeen billion dollars extra
that we've put in over the next three years.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Okay, so the new money you must be right up
against the wire by now because you didn't have much
money to play with in the first place. Well, I mean,
you'd all be revealed in the budget.

Speaker 13 (46:20):
We put all the expenses and all the revenues together,
and we obviously announced it in May. But but what's
exciting here is that we're trying to put patients first.
We're trying to get key ways to be able to
get access to a doctor. You've got, you know, weird
thing as might. You've got one hundred doctors at least
in New Zealand that are actually driving ubers at the
moment that have done all that foundational doctor training overseas
and we've got to accelerate them into GP practices. You've

(46:41):
got four hundred graduate nurses that we're trying to open
up and incentivize doctors to take them into communities and
rural communities.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
And cities as well.

Speaker 13 (46:48):
And then you know, really there's some really cool innovation
as you'd be aware of and healthcare sector around digital
twenty four to seven. And frankly, if you want to
see a doctor at eleven thirty at night with a
sick cat and get your prescription and action on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Morning's cool technology. I mean, this is what I'm thinking yesterday.
Why do those teen years ago, I mean, to get
a script at nine thirty at night shouldn't really be? Well,
what do we do moment? Should it? It shouldn't be.

Speaker 13 (47:10):
But the point is the system needs to have innovation
from within it. There are some incredible operators and entrepreneurs
that are starting up in this space. And you know,
the dealers, you know, I was thinking about the other day.
You know, you get a sinus in fiction, you need
to see a GP. You know, I can't do nine
to five. I think many Kiwis can't to do that
at eleven thirty on a Friday night, get your prescription

(47:30):
wide to your pharmacist, pick it up on Sunday morning,
get going with your treatment.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Fantastic.

Speaker 13 (47:35):
But we should be able to do a lot more
of it, you know, And there's no reason why that's
not the way you disrupt the system and actually get
people with more access. And the benefit is if we
can get people to their GPS, they can see a doctor.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
When they need it.

Speaker 13 (47:46):
We're not clogging up our emergency apartments, which is what's
been happening. So you know, I'm really excited. This is
a great initiative from Simmon. He's put six weeks into
the job. He's getting on top of what's a tough system.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Well that was my next question. How has it took?
It took Simmi in three and a half minutes, and
what was Shane doing all that time?

Speaker 13 (48:03):
Well, in fairness, a lot of this primary Care package
or what's called primary care basically GPS and communities we
had started to put together back in late November December,
so you know, some man's built on that, which is acknowledged.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
I felt your frustration yesterday. You make a very good point.
You put you put seventeen billion billion into this two
thousand extra nurses and per head, you're going backwards. What's
what's the problem.

Speaker 13 (48:28):
It's an insanely complex organization. So you know, there's this
narrative out there that we're cutting healthcare service.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
It's absolute total rubbish.

Speaker 13 (48:36):
We're putting seventeen billion more on top of the twenty
eight billion that already goes in. The Second thing is
if you just take nurses, people say, oh, we're cutting nurses.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
No, we're not.

Speaker 13 (48:43):
We've actually had two thousand nurses in one year. Nurses
pays up seventy percent since twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Gave yesterday. That's true, one hundred and twenty.

Speaker 13 (48:52):
Seven thousand including over time allowance US and that's all.
You't argue with that, can you. That's the point I'm
trying to make is that you know the narrative and
people need to understand.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
And let's be clear.

Speaker 13 (49:02):
You know, we're up against unions and we're up against
people who are trying to say everything we're doing is
rubbish and healthcare and it's just not true when we've
actually increased remuneration for nurses T one hundred and twenty
seven doesn't including their allowances including over time, that is
on a comparable level to what you'd get in New
South Wales and New South Wales is thirty five percent
richer than us. So you know, there is some good
progress made on workforce recruitment and remuneration. There's good progress

(49:25):
on funding. There's plenty of money in the system, but
we're not getting the results and we're not getting what
patients want or need.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
So is leading employee. That's where Brown comes in. And
Brown doesn't doesn't have the faith in Levey or whatever
the case. I mean, is this being fixed or not,
because at the end of the day, we all want
good health, but there's got to be a limit. I
think you're right, it's thirty billion dollars in total. I mean,
how much is I mean, it's it can't be a
bottomless pet no, but there is enough.

Speaker 13 (49:50):
What I'm trying to say with those things I announced
yesterday and my opening remarks was to get people to
understand there is enough money. There is actually groat, you know,
progress on the workforce front that's pretty ressive, and actually
the issue is a system that's actually grossly bureaucratic and
highly inefficient, and so putting Lester Levy in as a
commissioner has been very important. We've obviously got changes of

(50:11):
the CEOs and the Director General Ministry of Health. That's
really important. But we now want this organization focused on patients.
We want everything to be patient first. And so you
can talk about the money, you can talk about remuneration,
you can talk with unions as much as you like,
but at the end of the day, the New Zealanders
need to get access to doctors. They need to be
able to see faster wake times, for first surgeries, for

(50:33):
first specialist appointments, for emergency departments. Those things are the
things that matter. So let's make the organization focus on
customers or patients, which I think is you know, I
know some of the media give me grief when I
use the word customer, but I don't care. I mean,
these are service organizations that needed to live for patients
and for customers and for kiwis. So it's a change
in mentality.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Good school lunches. Do we actually have a problem here
or is this a pile on from the unions, the
teachers and the media to make David Seymour look bad.

Speaker 13 (51:00):
Well, I think the bottom line is some of the
lunches aren't up to scratch. But Seymour is all across
the issue. I've got every confidence.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
When you say they're not up to scratch, what do
you mean.

Speaker 13 (51:09):
Well, I mean you get the I mean everywhere every
day we get a story of a particular lunch.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
There is, yeah, but why do we get a story
every day? But we get a story every day because
someone's a whiner? Don't Well? Well, yeah, is the a
geni on top? But look, here's the deal.

Speaker 13 (51:24):
I mean, if you don't like the lunches, actually just
go make a mum mate sandwich and put an apple
on the bag. And as a parent, I think parents
should take responsible for feeding their own kids. I'd rather
the state didn't have to do so. It should be
a printal responsibility. But the fact is that kids are
actually coming to school with no lunch. I'm not willing
to let them go hungry.

Speaker 14 (51:40):
But this is.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Just going that hungry kids can't loan correct, Okay, fair enough,
And when we do something about it, we still whine
some more that the cellophane couldn't get done and I'm
hiring too many people to distribute them. And the only
simp of the IB ever had is they're late. They
should be on time. I get that. Beyond that, you're
just bitching. You're moaning I want it, don't like it?
So I mean it will doesn't like it? Make a sandwich,
right exactly? So does the government go if you're just

(52:06):
going to complain about this, We'll save the money, thanks
very much. Or is there an actual problem that Seymour
needs to address.

Speaker 13 (52:14):
No, there you know, there are some lunches that are
not up to scratch, and some delivery that's not up
to scratch, and David and I have talked about it,
and he's all over the detail. I have got every
confidence he's going to get it sorted. And so you
know he's right to actually keep chasing those issues down
and making sure we're getting what we've contracted and the
quality of the product as well as obviously the on
time delivery of it.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
So you know that's a reality.

Speaker 13 (52:33):
But I just say to you, Yep, there's always going
to be people that are unhappy with school lunches, and
I get that. And if you really are unhappy with it,
for God's sake, go make a mute sandwich and put
an apple in a bag, just like you and I had.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Peter's met with Hyundai. They may be in for some ships.
If they're in for some ships, do we get out
of paying a penalty for canceling.

Speaker 13 (52:52):
Well, I mean there's a whole bunch of commercial negotiations
and all of that. Winston's got to the end of
March to come up with a better plan than the
one that we had and that we propose at the
end of last year, which is to get rail compatible
fairies in place. So yeah, they'll be ongoing conversations. Let's
set them run through.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Has he got something on the bubble though, because I
mean it is March.

Speaker 13 (53:12):
Well, yeah, but he's got to the end of March
to come up with a better proposal that Trump's it.
And if he does, great, fantastic on board with that
within the envelope that we've talked about. And if not,
we've got a good plan.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Okay, just quickly on the war and your comments. Don't
all that's gone wrong in the last couple of days.
You're on the side of Zelenskin. We're on the side
of Ukraine with a view specifically to.

Speaker 13 (53:33):
What well, I mean, the bottom line is we're a
small country with limited resources a long way away. We
ain't going to end this war, Let's be clear about it.
But the principal point is that you can go off
to lots of meetings sounding off about your values, democratic ideas,
nation states, you know, international rules based system, all that stuff,
and you either stand up for it.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Or you don't.

Speaker 13 (53:54):
And so in our own way, we're actually standing up
with Zelenski.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
I've met him.

Speaker 13 (53:58):
He's a pretty admirable cheer is I mean, how would
we feel if we had a big power rock in
to New Zealand and beat.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Us up and for three years. But how are you
standing behind him on a stalemate? This is a stalemate.
It's a three year stalemate, and I America walks we're done.
We're on the losing side because he's going to get
crushed within wicks. Is that what we're going for?

Speaker 13 (54:18):
No, we want the US and the Ukraine and Europe
working together on that. I'm trying to secure a justin
lasting piece there that that's important for us. There's no
doubt all the players have an intention to do that.
They may have disagreements on how to go about it.
That's normal as a peace process is put together. But
I just say to you, Mike, if we were a
small country, I think we'd want to be at the

(54:38):
negotiating table and not have big powers just to determine
our fate. I think, you know, if we'd been beat
up for three years in that way, we'd want to
be at that table. And I think that's not unreasonable.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
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Speaker 3 (54:58):
Be Mike, grudgingly Luxe died well this morning on health
lunches and even ukraine. Why is it grudgingly? If he
does well, he does well. What does they have to
be grudging? Mike, I've got forty years and systems in
corporate life, including health. My wife has spent a week
in middle more. The issue is in the way of
working too many PCs, not enough staff talking to each other,
silo's division of duties, lack of pride in their workplace,

(55:19):
staff working with bureaucratic systems left hand and right hand
not aligned. Need a step change in the middle management
and leadership. I don't think that comes as a surprise
to any of us. I think the trick is actually
doing it. I didn't get much out of him on
there's something going on with Brown unless alleviate. I don't
know what it is, but I don't know whether that
goes anywhere. One hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars for
a nurse's a lie. Well, it's not a lie. There

(55:41):
are three nurses in my family. I promise you they
don't earn that well. That it depends on what sort
of nurse you are. My wife with thirty five years
experiences one hundred and six thousand dollars. You simply cannot
include overtime in quoting salaries. Of course you can, it's
what you earn at the end of the day. The
numbers quoted out of Australia, which is the example giving
many people go to Australia, include specific payments for doing

(56:04):
certain shifts at certain times, and indeed overtime. That's a
standard unionized job. Quote how much did you earn last year?
You don't then break it down into several different parts.
You go ironed X and that was what you weren't
announces been coming from the White House. So it's working
for Trump. Taiwan semiconductor manufacturing Company TSMC, which is the
world's largest chip manufacturer, is going to announce in the

(56:27):
next day one hundred billion dollar investment in the United
States over the next four years. They going to base
themselves in Arizona. This are going to announced the White
House with President Trump once he gets back from playing
golf in Florida. One hundred billion dollars. So if you
put it out there, if you build it, they will
come nine minutes away from eight.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
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Speaker 3 (56:49):
What happened to that Mari politician who ripped up the
paper in Parliament? I can't find any details. I hope
she was sacked and if she wasn't sacked, you can't
sack in peace, It's not how it works. Fortunately, privileges
committee a very slow process. But interestingly enough, I note
yesterday that the police have issued speaking the Marian Peace
Police have issued a formal warnings DEBI come back from

(57:10):
Marrednah no do we? Parliament's open airs of today will
soon find out. Anyway, issued a formal warning their failure
to file audited financial statements to the Electoral Commission incomplete
twenty twenty three statement was due mid December. They gave
it to them in December. It was due in July.
It was missing signatures and required an audit report, so

(57:33):
sort of didn't fill in the paper properly. The Commission
referred the matter to the police back in October. Followed
up with the party several times. The report was promised.
They kept saying, oh yeah, don't worry, we'll get there.
That old line still hasn't been delivered. Donations listed in
the financial statements were seven hundred and ninety two dollars
and fifty eight cents less than had been reported in

(57:54):
the donations and loans returned the party filed and May
last year, so the numbers don't add up either. The
president of the party is mister J. Tammaherry, who's also
been involved, of course with the Mariah, the investigation into
the Mariah, the photocopying of various bits and pieces of
paper that may or may not have gone somewhere. That's
still an investigation on going. Here's the interesting thing. There

(58:15):
was a time when this sort of thing was taken
seriously and it was embarrassing. And if the police got
I mean just the fact that it's got to the
police is embarrassing enough. But these guys don't seem to
care about any of this. It's just a sort of
a laugh a minute. And so Tamaherry yesterday says all
will be revealed in good time, in a smart ass
way that only Tamaherry can tell you all will be

(58:36):
revealed in good time. Rest assured the naughty natives always
comply with the letter of the law. He's sort of
an angry man. Old John tamahiriy I've decided I'm increasingly
feel sorry for him. He sort of seems to be
permanently angsty and angry. But there was a time when
this would be an embarrassment, but seemingly no longer. Mike,
my partner works for the government, manages a few people.

(58:56):
The problem is he can't tell them what they're doing
wrong or poorly without getting in trouble themselves. They make
formal complaints the moment they criticize is that true? As
that an urban myth? Do I believe you or not?
Things aren't going to improve if we can't tell young
people in the workplace whether they're doing a bad or
an adequate job. Mike grab a second coffee. Country isn't buggered.
But we need to keep challenging those lacking integrity and

(59:18):
hold them accountable. It's the right thing to do. Keep
up the good work. So what do we do with Europe?
Had Catherine Field earlier on this morning. They seem to
be slowly coalescing in some sort of agreement that they
need to step up and do more. We've been led
by Estonia three and a half or three point four
percent of their GDP up to five percent on defense.
Starmer seems to be leading the charge on this. They're

(59:41):
trying to bring America back to the table. What happens
to you? How does all this unfold? Military analyst mcryan
with us after the news which is next.

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Speaker 3 (59:59):
Well, there's seven past our time for some analysis on
the change in geopolitical landscape in our backyard and indeed
on the other side of the world. The chunk of
the Chinese navy has caused consternation here and in Australia,
while the meltdown at the White House over the weekend
has led to panic emergency in Europe over Ukraine. Mcgryan's
thirty five year AfD VET these days, senior fellow and

(01:00:19):
in Military Studies at the Lower Institute in Australia, is
back with us.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Very good morning to you, Good morning mates.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Before we get to the White House and everything that's
happened in the war in Ukraine, can we just deal
quickly with the Chinese the warships which have circumnavigated Australia
as far as I can work out what changes, if anything,
as a result of what happened in these last few days.

Speaker 18 (01:00:41):
Well, it may change nothing, but hopefully it will wake
people up to the threat that the Chinese Navy now
poses to regions far away from the Chinese homeland. I mean,
there's no reason for Chinese task forces to be sailing
in the waters of Australia and New Zealand. There's no
threat to them here. We're not stopping in a national trade.

(01:01:03):
This is a direct message to the governments of Australia
and New zeal And the United States.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
What's the message, Well, the message.

Speaker 18 (01:01:12):
Is we'll go wherever we want, whenever we want. That
we can threaten your trade if you decide to help
Taiwan in any contingency. And it's also a test to
see what the strength of the Australian alliance is with
America at the moment. In the wake of what's been
going on in Europe.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
There seems to be a general reaction globally, and this
is not just the Chinese and as part of the world,
but the war in general, that everybody needs to spend
more on defense. Is that ultimately, do you think where
this is going.

Speaker 18 (01:01:41):
It's absolutely going there and hopefully we'll go there pretty quickly.
For both Australia and New Zealand, we both need to
step up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Our games by how much and what? For Australia do
you get, what do you need and what difference would
it make?

Speaker 18 (01:01:54):
Well, there's a bunch of things Australia needs to do
first and foremost. We need to expand out domestic defense
and we need to build more stuff here. Both Australia
and New Zealand will be at the back of the
line for defense manufacturers if anything ever happens. We need
to build stuff ourselves. We also need larger military forces,
not just navies, but armies and air forces are required,

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one for the deterrent effect they provide, but two to
be able to respond to crises in the region and beyond.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
It required as far as the Chinese is concerned, I'm
sure you're following the situation with New Zealand and rah
It's hunger and Mark Brown went up and signed a
cooperative deal with the Chinese last week. How do you
balance what China wants in the Pacific versus the defense
versus the trade relationship that both our countries have with them.

Speaker 18 (01:02:40):
Well, I mean, we should be able to cooperate with China,
but at the end of the day, it can't be
at the cost of our own sovereignty, in our own prosperity.
And what we're seeing more and more is China is
trying to subvert different governments throughout the region to align
with China or turn away from their relationships with other countries.
That's just not in Australia or New Zealand interest. So

(01:03:02):
where we can cooperate, we do. That's the policy of
Australia New Zealand. But where we differ, we're going to
have to be able to invest in pushing back.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
How much interest would there have been in what the
Chinese did last week in this part of the world
from the.

Speaker 18 (01:03:16):
US AH, there's certainly a lot of interest in the
headquarters of Indo Pacom in Hawaii. I mean, they take
very seriously these kind of events, and I have no
doubt that the Australian New Zealand militaries would have been
sharing a lot of information from the event with them.
But they also have a lot of other bits of
the specific to look at, So this will just be

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one of many things to be watching and from.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
The depend point of view. You've got an election coming
up very shortly. We still don't know exactly when, but
the policy settings completely different depending on who wins.

Speaker 18 (01:03:49):
I think there will be differences. We've already started the
bidding contests on the fence, start with the opposition leader
Peter Dutton announcing out of the weekend we'll buy another
twenty eight thirty five fighters. So I expect that, unlike
two weeks ago, defense may now be a more important
part of the election.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Teamp interesting, All right, hold on mate, we'll come back
in a moment start talking about Ukraine. Mcryan out of
the Lower Institute. More on the moment. Eleven past eight.

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Stalks Eby fourteen minutes past eight, Mcryan's back with the
senior Fellow and Military Studies at the Lowe Institute. Right, Mac,
As far as Ukraine's concerned, and what happened to the
White House over the weekend, Where does this leave Europe
and are they capable of standing alone in defense of
Ukraine without America?

Speaker 18 (01:04:38):
Yeah, I think the over Office ambush was first and
foremost a crisis of confidence in America's alliances. That is
the probably the worst manifestation of what happened, among others.
For Europe, we've just seen the outcomes of the summit
in London held by the British Prime Minister, where they've
all committed to spend more. Well, we've heard that before time.

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Europe really must stand up for going to help Ukraine
and deter further Russian aggression.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
To achieve what three years in, what have we got
other than the stalemate?

Speaker 18 (01:05:11):
Well, first and foremost, so Ukraine doesn't lose. That would
be not only a gross moral tragedy for the people
of Ukraine. We know what Russia will do to them
because we've been watching them torture and murder their way
through the occupied territories. But Russia will then turn its
attention to other countries. Has already said if wants to
attack countries in the Baltics and in Scandinavia because one

(01:05:35):
they're in NATO and two they see them as part
of the Russian sphere of influence.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Yeah, what happens to NATO now? If anything, as a
result of what happened to the White House over.

Speaker 18 (01:05:46):
The weekend, well, I think cool heads will always hope
that NATO remains, but it's going to go through a
very trying period at the moment. Now it's gone through
trying periods in the asked. It's not the first time
there's been a crisis of confidence among members. It might
recall nuclear process in the eighties and these kind of things.

(01:06:08):
So you know, it's a difficult period, but it's in
all our interests for NATO to endure and continue to
increase investment in defense, intelligence and other areas.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
So what do you think came out of this cir
called emergency summit that Starmer was leading. It seems to
be more money, more promises, more equipment with a view
to doing what holding their own or advancing the cause
or maybe heading towards some sort of ceasefire or peace deal.

Speaker 18 (01:06:34):
Well, there's a couple of things there. Firstly, be able
to give Ukraine the tools to ensure that is able
to negotiate a war termination agreement that's favorable to them,
including territory, sovereignty, security, its relationships with the West. I
think that's a very important outcome. The second one is

(01:06:55):
just to step up the production of defense material in
Europe to benefit all of you Europe to provide this
deterrent against Russian aggression. And third, you're already seeing discussions
emerge around a new nuclear umbrella provided not by America
but by Britain and other European nations. That will be
a very expensive undertaking and a politically difficult one and

(01:07:18):
will be interesting to watch how that debate matures.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Is Europe united on this? And it seems Europe can
agree on nothing because they've each got their own individual problems,
But on this are they united?

Speaker 18 (01:07:31):
Well, you didn't have every European country at this summit,
probably for good reason. Countries like Hungary would probably stand
against this. They're very much Russian sympathizers. So you know,
the head of the EU is underlying will obviously put
a plan to the EU Council this week, and it'll

(01:07:51):
be interesting to see which countries actually put up their
hands and say we don't agree.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
What about someone like Germany? Is was he trying to
patch together a government at the moment? Are they still
heavily involved in and pivotal to whatever they decide going forward?

Speaker 11 (01:08:03):
Absolutely?

Speaker 18 (01:08:04):
I mean the new chancellor has come out strongly in
support of Ukraine and strongly in support of an enhanced
European defense capability, and we shouldn't forget that even before him,
Germany was the second largest contributor of aids to Ukraine
after the United States. They really have provided a massive

(01:08:24):
amount of economic and military aid, and I expect that
that will probably have to continue or increase.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
What do you think happens to the mineral deal even
if they patch this up? Is that a way forward
in some way, shape or form or not.

Speaker 11 (01:08:37):
I think it is.

Speaker 18 (01:08:38):
I mean, you know, the details will obviously be negotiated.
I mean, if you read the text, there's no detail
except that will negotiate the detail in a follow on treating.
But what it does do is at least provides a
foundational relationship between the United States and Ukraine and gives
the US an interest in defending Ukraine. Both those things

(01:09:00):
are important, and hopefully they'll be able to work their
way back to that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
From the Trump point of view, that seemed to be
the thinking, didn't it that, Yes, there's no security guarantee,
but if we're on the ground, if we've got interests
in that country, that in and of itself is a
security guarantee of sorts. Is that how you see it.

Speaker 18 (01:09:16):
Well, that's how Trump's now portrayed it in his latest
post on his social media. I think there's a bit
of backcasting there, but there's some truth in it as well,
that if America has an economic interest in Ukraine, it
also has a security interest.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
So also, the Americans have sent somebody to meet Putin,
and from what we can gather, Putin's giving nothing like
there is nothing to give up here. Is that a
problem or is that just bluster.

Speaker 18 (01:09:42):
It's a really big problem because the Americans have given
Putin everything he wanted before they even start negotiating, and
over the weekend cutting cyber operations against Russia is just
a ludicrous kind of strategy. We're being pursued at the
moment by the Americans with behavior towards the Russians. I mean,

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what the Russians have done in the last twenty years
have been against American interests. They are not going to
change their perspective in the world, and the reason they're
aligned with China is they don't like the system the
Americans have set up since the end of the Second
World War, and regardless of what Trump does, They're going
to continue to want to change it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
All right, give it, what do we do here? Where
are we going here? And I bring you in six
months one year? I mean, as we got any further
down the track or not?

Speaker 18 (01:10:30):
Well, I hope so, I hope that talk in Europe
has turned into action, but talk in Australia and New
Zealand has to turn into action. You know, we need
to step up investment in defense, We need to step
up investment in diplomacy, with the number one priority being
deterring any kind of conflict in our region.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
All right, listen mate, It's always good to have you
on the program. Appreciate it very much. Mcryan thirty five
years in the AfD, senior fellow these days military studies
at the Loewy Institute. It's coming up A.

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Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
ATBA twenty four. I should inform you, by the way
that the Prime Minister alluded to it briefly in his
post cabinet press conference yesterday. But our contribution to the
war is minuscule, to say the least, and the last
announcement we made with three million dollars in actual cash terms,
we trained some people, of course in Britain to go
and fight. The Ukrainians come to Britain to be trained

(01:11:26):
by US, and so well, that's continuing. In Australia yesterday
announced that they would be sending more tanks but no
peacekeeping troops, which I thought was relatively interesting. Meantime, the
Republicans still a weekend there. Of course. Tossy Gabbard was
on the television yesterday, Director of National Intelligence. She's still
pushing for Zelensky to one hold elections and BV he's
not going to hold those to quit you to You've

(01:11:47):
got the canceling of elections in Ukraine. You've got political
parties being silenced or even criminalized, or throne in prisons.
You have the freedom of religion, churches being shut down.
You have political opposition being silenced. Do you have total
government control of the meat? We could go down a
whole laundry list of issues that are against the values
of democracy and freedom. What are they actually really fighting
for and are they aligned with the values that they

(01:12:09):
claim to hold an agreement with us? The values that
President Trump and Vice President Vance are standing for, and
those are the values of freedom, of peace and true security.
So that's where that's where the Americans are still at.
Forgotten for now is the Second War, which of course
is in the Middle East, and that was supposed to
go into a sort of a phase two, but that's

(01:12:29):
now been held up the claim by her Maas who
are not wanting to go forward. So Israel as a
result of that, has blocked entry to all humanitarian aid
into Gaza, demanding it Hermas agree to the US plan
for a ceasefire extension. In the first phase of that
truce mediated by Egypt, Qatar and the US, expired over
the weekend, her mass refusing to accept a temporary extension

(01:12:50):
as proposed by the US President. So the humanitarian aid
is not going on. So there's problems all over the place.
And here's the irony of ironies. And this has got
sort of no coverage at all, And what coverage it
did get was by the network that employs the bloke
who's doing it. So what I refer to as a
new book, and it's a new book on Biden, and
it's written by a guy called Alex Thompson and a

(01:13:13):
guy called Jake Tapper. And if you know anything about CNN,
you'll know about Jake Tapper, the guy Thompson works for Axios. Anyway,
they're going to co author this book about what had
led the Democratic Party to defeat, and in doing the
research for this particular book, they're calling it a cover up,
the cover up of the former president's serious decline. This

(01:13:33):
is Biden. We refer to, of course original sin, President
Biden's decline, the cover up, and his disastrous choice to
run again. Now the book is out May twenty. What
you will learn, this is the blurb, the hype. What
you will learn makes President Biden's decision to run for
reelection seem shockingly narcissistic, self delusional, and reckless, a desperate

(01:13:56):
bet that went bust, and part of a larger act
of extended public deception that has few precedents. Now, this
sort of carries on, and I alluded to it. At
the very start of the year, The Wall Street Journal
had this and there was no coverage anywhere of it.
But basically the whole thing was a stitch up. They
knew that Biden was trouble, he was going downhill at
a rate of knots, and they continue to cover it up. Now,

(01:14:17):
the irony of Jake Tapper, of CNN writing this book
is where was Jake Tapper and CNN when all this
was going on for the past four years? Are you
honestly telling me that CNN and networks of their ILK
had no clue whatsoever that the president in front of
them was in serious decline. And at no point did

(01:14:38):
they ever raise this or ring an alarm bell. They
just waited till it was all over, and then suddenly decided, Oh,
I know what we'll do. We'll write a book and
make some money. Go figure.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
The only report you need to start your day the
my casting Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate finding the buyers.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Others can't use togs headb But.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
So the meetings have been held in Europe and there
seems to be some sort of alignment that, broadly speaking,
we need to spend more on defense. Of course, Estonius
lead the way three point four percent of GDP up
to five percent. Stamer's looking at doing something similar.

Speaker 8 (01:15:10):
He was in the House on Tuesday announced the biggest
sustained increase in defense spending since the Cold War, a
recognition of the fact that once again we live in
an era where peace in Europe depends upon strength and deterrence.
But also a rediscovery of the old post war argument

(01:15:33):
long held on these benches that economic security is national security.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Kimmi seemed onside as well.

Speaker 19 (01:15:42):
We recognize that Ukraine is fighting for her survival and
fighting to have the same freedom, democracy and sovereignty which
all of us here enjoy. That is why both the
opposition and the government are fully committed to supporting Ukraine
and President of Zelenski.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
International correspondence with ends in eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
I hit to the UK and Indo Bride. He's got
a thing the very morning.

Speaker 14 (01:16:09):
Yeah, good morning, Michael, to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
And one of the strange things about Zelinsky and all
that's unfolded in the last couple of days is that
it sort of overrides what Starmer I thought did brilliantly
at the White House the day before that. And if
you ever wanted to see a diplomat on the international
stage being brilliant, Stamer was it was that the general
sense of it.

Speaker 14 (01:16:29):
Yeah, and it's just a great shame that Starmer's hard
work has been unraveled so quickly by Vance. That's Europe's
kind of reading of the people over here. Have been
appalled by what we saw Friday night. But look, I
think Starmer has stepped up. He's had his issues domestically,
certainly in UK politics. But Europe is on a precipice
right now. It needs leaders. I mean, Schultz is on

(01:16:50):
his way out in Germany. We don't know what Friedrich
Martz will be like as chancellor. Macron not massively popular
in France right now, and Kiir Starmer step in not.
So what we're seeing really is Europe doing its standas
to come together. We have major issues, we have cracks,
we have divisions, we have strange people leading. Slovakia and
Hungary for example, still part of the European Union. But

(01:17:13):
I think Starmer, even though Britain is not in the EU,
is doing his absolute best to step up.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Do you see a plan here from these emergency meetings
in the last twenty four hours or so? Is this
something cohesive that Europe has to put to America to
get them back to the table.

Speaker 14 (01:17:30):
Yes, so the plan, whether Trump accepts it or not,
But the plan seems to be that Starmer and France
will offer a peacekeeping force. They may be joined by Italy,
they may be joined by Norwegian troops. There's even talk.
I'm actually in Dublin right now, just about to jump
on a plane, but there has been talking in Ireland.
We have peace keeping troops in the Lebanon and we

(01:17:52):
have had for many decades. There's even talk of Ireland
getting involved. It will be very, very difficult to sort out.
But the plan seems to be that if Europe comes
up with money, comes up with a peacekeeping force, that
they will go to Trump and ultimately ask him for
air support as a deterrent. But part of me thinks, Mike,
the sorting of the peace and keeping it could be

(01:18:13):
even more difficult than managing the war, because what if
peacekeeping troops get hurt by Russia? What if Putin does
not respect the ceasefire? And can you imagine a situation
and that God forbid this ever happens. But a group
of peacekeeping troops in a truck get hit by a
Russian missile, Then.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
What happens exactly, in a burst of reverse psychology, is
Trump done? Europe a fiber in the sense it seems
to have co en listened. It seems to have put
a rocket under them and they've got direct together.

Speaker 14 (01:18:42):
Ish I think he has he didn't mean to do it,
but certainly look at the whirlwind of diplomacy we've had
over the weekend, everyone arriving in London, Zelensky then being invited,
and I thought this was crucial to meet Charles the
King at Sandringhen and he wore exactly the same clothes
as he did Friday night in the White House and
he was made an actual king, So you know, there

(01:19:02):
was no disrespect there whatsoever. He's a wartime leader and
he addresses like he does in honor of his troops
who are giving their blood and their lives every single day.
So we're on a precipice right now in Europe, and
ultimately somebody has to stand up to putin because, as
one military expert said to me last week on my show,
he won't stop until he stopped.

Speaker 11 (01:19:20):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Indeed, like last week he gave out some numbers. It
was a record number of people applying for asylom in
Britain and the Dinghies. I know there are various messinations
of this and how it all works, but I mean,
these Dinghies arriving hundreds and hundreds of people. When does
it stop? How does it stop? Does anyone know how
it stops.

Speaker 14 (01:19:36):
Well, look the weather has changed for the better. Now
spring has really sprung. The sea was quite calm yesterday
and the figures I've got six hundred people came across
and Dinghy's from the north of France yesterday and successfully
landed into the Dover area of England. Six hundred people
in one day. Now the Labor government is doing its
utmost saying that you know, we're deporting people and we're

(01:19:59):
making it very, very difficult for people to claim asylum.
Six hundred people in one day the UK. This is
a standout figure for you. Sixteen million en Z dollars
a day is being spent on accommodation for asylum seekers.
Sixteen million a day.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
That's unreal life now. Vittriano, I'm a miss offend. Do
you like his work? I think he's the do was
a genius.

Speaker 14 (01:20:23):
I adore him and I'm very sad to see that
he has passed today in France at the age of
seventy three. Jack Vettriano, I don't profess to know anything
about art. The art establishment hated him and I loved
them because he made me want to go into galleries.
He made me want to learn. He made me want
to appreciate paintings, and the Singing Butler for me is

(01:20:44):
the finest painting to come out of Britain in the
last fifty years. I think he's an absolute genius, or
he was. I can't believe he's gone. And look that
the art establishment absolutely hated him, but he had the
last laugh. He was earning one million enzed a year
in royalties of Prince of one picture, so he made
an absolute mountain of cash. Good on him and he

(01:21:06):
got complete working class blogs like me to want to
go and look at an art gallery. And surely that
is a victory for a painter.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
I reckon, good on you might I appreciate you time
into Brady in for a rod little this morning. By
the way, speaking about it, I'm not sure I agree
with in just saying it's the best painting to come
out of Britain the last fifty years. There's very very
and I've alluded to it before, a very good program
and I think it's on Amazon. In fact, I'm almost
certain it's on Amazon. Done by Andrew Mary. Andrew Mayer
used to be, if not the political editor, certainly a
political reporter with the BBC. He was the guy who

(01:21:36):
had a stroke. He still reports but he's a massive
art fan and he's done a series called the World's
Greatest Paintings, including all the obvious ones like Money and
stuff like that and the Mona Lisa, etcetera. But there's
a couple of British paintings in that series that you
could look at learn The story of the hay Wayne
is a particularly good example. I'm thinking of that. You

(01:21:58):
would argue that maybe there is as good as as that,
But anyway, go have a look if you're into art generally.
By the way, just quickly before we leave Britain, the
death rate has reached a record low, which is encouraging.
It's gone back to pre COVID death certificate. It's registered
in twenty twenty four deaths per head return to pre
pandemic levels, slightly below the previous record of twenty nineteen.

(01:22:19):
That's from the Continuous Mortality Investigation Unit, or the CMI.
It's encouraging health wise. With what sixteen to nine, the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
At b thirteen minutes away from nine, I'm laughing at
stuff this morning. They've taken the Prime Minister's line about
sandwiches on the show, and they've run with it. So
they've got their big lead story. Now about, you know,
get a bit of moment. And and good on them
for saying it too, because there's been too much sort
of dancing around the subject. And I'm sick and tired
of the moaning, and just like, if you don't like it,
don't take it, stop moaning, don't take it, do your

(01:22:55):
own thing. Anyway. Point B. They're running a poll on
the so what he said, if you missed it earlier
on this morning it was this time last hour. He said,
you know, if you don't like it, you know, make
a marmte sandwich and stick an apple in the bag.
And I thought, good on them. Anyway, they're running a pole,
and we're on the right side of this, thank goodness,
because the pole at this particular point in time, the
question being is a marmite sandwich and an apple a
good enough lunch? And the answer is nineteen percent say

(01:23:18):
maybe in the eighties, not anymore, nineteen percent, fifty four
percent the majority yes, it's perfectly fine, So we are
on the right side of this. But twenty seven percent
and This is the problem with New Zealand. Not everyone
can afford a marmite sandwich in an apple. What crap.
If you can't afford a marmite sandwich in an apple,

(01:23:39):
you can't afford anything. Therefore you're being stupid. So fifty
four to twenty seven and nineteen, I.

Speaker 10 (01:23:44):
Mean, I found these results disturbing just because it appears
that people think that marmite is better than veggie mighte.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
That's what it might take you loot that can of worms?
Are you? Did you say that veggiemite is cheaper than marmite?

Speaker 10 (01:23:58):
Yes, so it is true that people can't afford vegimite.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
So they can't afford vegie might because vegie might's more
expensive than marmite. Correct, Okay, so let's say that.

Speaker 10 (01:24:06):
So it's not true.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
What that way. That's so the twenty six percent are wrong.

Speaker 11 (01:24:10):
That they are wrong.

Speaker 10 (01:24:11):
Mamite's cheaper, okay than vegimit. And I'm reading between the
lines here that this is more about may mite versus
vegimi than it is I think.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
That's what it is. Good bunches. David Seymore has been like,
if you want to stay in touch with us, I
don't know why you would. But anyway, School Lunch Collective
dot CO dot m ZAI they keep the stats every day.
For Monday, which was yesterday, they serviced four hundred and
forty seven schools. See, it's not even that that many
schools did, mean how many schools are than in the country.
It's over two thousand schools in the country. I think
remembory four hundred and forty seven schools. They'd delivered one
hundred and twenty one thousand, four hundred and fifty six meals,

(01:24:42):
one hundred and twenty one thousand, four hundred and fifty
six meals, ninety nine point zero two percent would delivered
on time. That to me twenty five hundred, twenty five
hundred schools in the country. So what are you dealing with.
You're dealing with about twenty percent of schools of getting
the lunches for goodness sake, So eighty percent of the
schools are just getting on with life. Well, thank the
good And that goes once again to the sort of

(01:25:02):
the obsession the media has with a minority of people
doing a minority of things. You think that every school
in the country is getting these lunches, and every school
there's some sort of catastrophic disaster unfolding. I mean, twenty
percent of the schools in this country get the lunches anyway.
Ninety nine point zero two percent would delivered on time,
which in my book is good enough. And second of all,
fifty five percent agree officially according to the survey, that

(01:25:26):
a mumte sandwich and an apple is just fine, thank
you very much. Nine away from nine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
The Mate Hosking breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate news dogs,
they'd be No.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
There's a lot of the sort of reaction. Mike, I'm
fifty two. In the eighties, I had Mumu and Chue
sandwiches every day for five years. It wasn't till the
two thousands that are pimped it out with lettuce. There
is a lot of that. Do we all just sound
old in that sense that this business of having the
same ish lunch every day was a thing. It's just
what you did, and that's what you ask for. What
do you want? You couldn't be bothered thinking mum Major sandwiches.

(01:25:58):
You couldn't be bothered thinking what it was, and you
just had what you had. Could we extend it, Mike
to a marmite and chip sandwich should bring the percentage
up to at least ten percent. Mike, if you can't
afford this is what people are going. If you can't
afford a mar Marte Sandmage and Apple for your kids
school lunch, and you can't afford he kits, and I
think there's probably something that can. I congratulate Toyota, who
have rounded out, as far as I can tell, just
about every car manufacturer in the entire world. Last week

(01:26:21):
it was Mercedes with their engines and the V eights,
and also BMW with their Mini saying that the electric
is off and we're investing in car engines, et cetera.
Toyota it was yesterday, remain committed to high performance internal
combustion in cars for the foreseeable. Combustion engines and manual
transmissions will be around for a long long time. God

(01:26:42):
bless them. There actively exploring and this is the other
area that you want to follow if you're moderately interested
in any of this. The whole eb hybrid thing they're
exploring now, and Porsche have been doing this for ages
synthetic fiels, and they think they're going to come up
with some sort of synthetic fuel which is basically good
for the planet, while at the same time can run
an ic engine. So I think that's probably where we're

(01:27:02):
going to end up five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Trending now with the chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
All year round.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Now, our old mate Steve Price, who's on this program
Mondays and Wednesdays. When he's not on this program Mondays
and Windays, pops up on the television periodically does the project.
You see him? I think he's on Friday Night on
Sky tevening, but he's also on the Project on Channel
ten in Australia. They were discussing the story about a
newer s chap called air Tasker. It's an app where
you put out an ad for your services. Other people

(01:27:31):
put up a service that they might want. So they
were talking about a woman who put up a message
on the app and would pay one hundred dollars to
get somebody to bring her some sneakers while out at
the club so she could get out of her high heels.
Do you pay one hundred dollars to not wear high heels?

Speaker 18 (01:27:50):
That's the most ridiculous over privilege, what wanky thing I've
ever heard.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
I think it's just because you're happy to wear high heels.
I actually wore.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Did anyway. I mean that woman's got too much money.

Speaker 7 (01:28:05):
I agree one hundred dollars to do.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
It's not a hack because.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
You've got second an smelly sneakers.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
And then there you go. So that's gone off. Apparently
great to hear our Prime Minister agree. Marmat sandwich and
an apple sufficient for school lunch children. I certainly don't
need a meal. What about the obesity problem. I used
to love a peanut butter sandwich, but apparently there aren't
allowed to have those of you more. Yeah, the peanut
he that's been a thing as well. Of course. It's
just we've got very very sensitive around these things. And
every I can't remember what day it was, but whatever

(01:28:32):
they say, it was a Tuesday. You got your twenty
cents and you could do one day in which they
brought in the lunches and everyone went for a pie.
So everyone went for a pie, and so they got
little pipe pie and a just juice one hundred percent
well down to see we did a coke.

Speaker 10 (01:28:46):
Sometimes I would really push the boat out and go
for a zap.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Zap was cool, you know, that was cool.

Speaker 15 (01:28:51):
And a what was it?

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Was it Swiss yogurt?

Speaker 6 (01:28:54):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:28:54):
What was the was made?

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
No, it wasn't Swiss made. What was the yogurt that
had the strawberries in it? Strawberries and the yogurt, and
it was the household name of yogurt at the time. No,
you're going back. You got to go back a little
further than that. Yeah, I am so old, Sam, So
we're going down memory late.

Speaker 10 (01:29:11):
I remember it was pretty revolutionary when your play came
on the scene. All those all those people in the
ads pretending they could speak French but didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Every we went and we we we just ate the
same thing every day and we were happy. Look what
happened to us? Look at us now? For goodness, sake
back tomorrow morning? Is the West? We happy? Does question?

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
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