Full Show Podcast: 05 February 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In New Zealand's home for trusted news and views. The
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Way News, togs Head been oning you.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome today, it's dart to day and insight into retail
and whether we're spending again, Insight into jobs and how
many we lost. We've got the social housing reset. Janet
Dixon are the real estate agent who refused to do
that compulsory Mari. Course she's lost in courts. Issues with
US politics. Wednesday, Mark and Jenny do the biz afterwage
Steep Price does the odds? Richinarnold does the states. Pasky

(00:30):
Welcome to the day, seven past six job numbers of
course today, And it's not the five percent or the
fire point one percent. I'm worried about. What I'm worried
about is the attitude. The sad reality is, as far
as the numbers go, we've got a way to go,
apparently maybe five point five before the carnagens. But if
you want glass half full, it hasn't been as bad
as many had predicted. Some said six percent. It's kind
of like the mortgage cliff they said was going to happen.

(00:52):
It didn't. Now the attitude is our real problem. We
shouldn't have, for example, a traffic light system because we
shouldn't need one. The new rule this week forcing the
jobs to prove they have actively applied for something shouldn't
be a thing either. What should be a thing is
fear and loathing. If you lose your job, you fear
the consequences. Your life plan has interrupted. Things aren't going
your way. Your path to success is at a speedbump.

(01:13):
You need to hustle and get on with it. What
must not be forgotten is a lot of people lose
their jobs. I mean, we've all lost our jobs for
one reason or another over the years. What differentiate most
of us is you don't end up on job Seeker
or the doll as we once called it. You're out
hitting the phones, printing the CBS, getting your face and
experience in front of others. We shouldn't have the Hospital
Association yet again calling on the government to change visa

(01:34):
settings for unskilled jobs when we have over one hundred
thousand people without work. But in that, of course, is
the rub I got sympathy for people who run the
cafes and can't get help. Why can't they because tragically
in too many cases, you wouldn't want the help. The
help is useless because they don't want to work. For
those who can't find work in their chosen field, the
factor government has to make you attend reskilling courses says

(01:58):
a lot about you. Why wouldn't you want to reskill?
Why wouldn't you want to make yourself more attractive? The
participation rate is always the number to watch today, bet
you anything you want. It's down. It's people giving up.
So we have a vicious cycle, a dead end economy
where some tragically who were working aren't, some who aren't
working and don't want to, and people looking for help
with work who can't find anyone so they want visa

(02:19):
settings adjusted. So it does not paint a healthy, prosperous,
getting ahead sort of picture, does it.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
News of the world.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
In ninety seconds to the shooting ourvernight in Sweden, I.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Was talking to our guy and he had like a
friend that was working inside the school that had sent
him a text messages that there were automatic rifle fire
and he was slaying down on the shoring Sidy school.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Initially there was reporting that police might be victims.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
There are no police officers among the injured.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Because that was something that local media had been reporting.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
At the time.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
They had confirmed ten dead then in Britain, what might
be the story of the day of not the year.
So far and expert panel has looked into the Lucy
let the baby murder cases.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
We did not find any murders. In all cases, death
or injury were due to natural causes by just bad
medical care. The medical evidence doesn't support murder in any
of these babies.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
One of the politicians behind that pushed to have the
case reviewed, as David Davis.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
None of it showed clear proof of anything. None of
it showed actually that a murder had occurred, let alone
that she was witnessed carrying out any improper act.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I'll come back to that in the moment. Then Trump
World Part one. The Chinese have announced potential terrorists, but
want Trump to pull back.

Speaker 7 (03:38):
We need to work together to fight against the common
enemies of the world, like terrorism, like the climate change
targeting chainer is not the right way for.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
But two, the RFK confirmation. The Dems were trying until
the end.

Speaker 8 (03:56):
Do senators want their legacy to include disregarding basic health
science and instead elevate conspiracy theorists didn't matter.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Kennedy got the vote to the nomination moves forward. That's
news of the world. In ninety seconds, there will now
be a full floor vote. That's how that works. China,
Just to just make this clear, they're going after the Americans,
maybe fifteen percent on colon liquified natural gas products, ten
percent on crude oil, agricultural machinery, and large engine cars.

(04:28):
Feb Ten is when it kicks, and that date's important.
They think they can talk their way back from the precipice,
So we watch and wait with interest. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
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Speaker 2 (04:45):
AB speaking of tariff's very bad week for Mexico. I mean, yes,
they got Trump to step back, but they've got to
flood the border with ten thousand more troops. But then
yesterday Ecuador, in a kind of oh, we're doing tariffs,
are we cool, apply to twenty seven percent terriff on
Mexican goods. The president Nemboa he wants a free trade deal.

(05:06):
Until he gets a free trade deal, it's twenty seven percent.
Fifteen past six from day and my wife Andrew kellerher,
good morning, very good morning, Mike, I've never seen a
number like it. Arming. This is dairy lactose. I mean,
I know it's a it's a niche product, but in
lactose it's seventeen point seven percent. I know.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
What an option. I can't I can't profess to be
an expert in lactose pricing, but I look at the
three point seven percent rise in the index and I think,
and every product really doing reasonably well. And look, dairy's
fallen off the radar a little bit in the last
couple of weeks, hasn't it, given the broader discussion about
trade and impact of tariffs. But this is a timely reminder,
Mike that an important pillar of New Zealand's economic structure

(05:48):
is going very well. The dairy industry enjoying a strong
run of prices that's continued overnight. So four point seven
percent lifting skill milk powder, four point one percent lifting
whole milk powder, whole power to particularly been on a
very strong trend. Little retlacement December, but generally that tran
has been strong for the middle last year. Look, currency
is helping exporters as well. At the moment, we don't

(06:09):
notice the degree which that impacts here because Fonterra do
have a hedging policy in place. But this is a
bright light in the economic landscape.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Isn't it. But you're speaking of bright lights. Rod Duke's
with us after six thirty. But it was flat. But
it's still pretty good given everything, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
I think so? So you know, we've got labor market
numbers today make a key piece of data. Before February
review of monthly policy said, Look, we saw a bit
of a lull, haven't we In New year? We had
a bit of reality checking those confidence surveys released in January,
So you had a big lifting confidence latter part of
twenty four. But now we're we were really looking forward

(06:46):
to the full impact of lower interest rates overtween twenty five.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's moderated a bit.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Now.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yesterday the listed retail of Briscoes Group released their result
for quarterly sales to January twenty six. Now, these suggest
that that confidence lull could also be reflected in retail sales.
Now I'm comfortable using Briscoes as a bit of a
barometer for the retail sector. Look, it's not perfect, but
I think you can argue that it's one of our

(07:12):
most resilient and arguable experienced in successful retailers. So they
reported sales growth for the fourth quarter just under one percent,
not huge, but it is growth. Full year group sales
were pretty much flat on last year, two hundred and
forty five million wordth of sales. Rod Jukes suggest noted
that it was an extremely difficult year for retail, so

(07:32):
you have to say that achieving a flat result was
actually a good outcome. And I will speculate, Mike, I
will speculate that there will be plenty of other retailers
who would be very pleased to report.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
A similar result.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
So online channel that continues to grow now close to
twenty percent of overall sales. Expect net profit after texts
to be in line with recent guidance, So no surprises,
and they expect and Roger will speak to this, I suspect,
but they'll expect. The difficult retail environment to turn you
into the twenty twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Calendar year building where are we at?

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, it was having a construction consents with December fell
five point six percent compared to November. November rose sort
of cancel the other out and take the take a
broader view. Twelve months to end of December nine point
eight percent lower than twelve months to end of deck
twenty three, So you got about thirty three thousand, six
hundred new homes consent across the country. One region did
lift a target. Don't know what's happening there. Few regions

(08:28):
fell by more than twenty percent. Nelson, Wellington Waycoto Auckland
consents fell ten percent. Non residential cent's a bit more resilient,
but again the twelve month number shows are fall there.
There's no evidence here of an upward trend, but I
think we can say that the trend has plateaued. If
you look at the twelve month rolling consent totals pretty

(08:49):
stable now for the whole second half of twenty twenty four,
sitting around thirty three and a half thousand, obviously significantly
below the peak that we saw sort of twenty twenty two,
running it over fifty thousand consents. We've dropped back to
twenty eighteen levels, but importantly it's not getting worse. Further
cuts to the OCO will be supportive of the housing market.

(09:12):
You'd look for recovery I think in the second half
of this year. Then, of course you get a lag
between consents rising and actual building. But it's not getting
any worse mic and we'll take that.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
We will. Indeed, what are the numbers, yep, dal.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Jones are all recovery? Who what's this tariffs thing?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Who cares?

Speaker 4 (09:27):
The dal Jones forty four thousand, four hundred and seventy five,
it's up only point one percent, but it's up s
and p five hundred, up points six eight percent over
six thousand, six thousand and thirty five. And then Nazdak
nineteen thousand, five hundred and seventy seven, it's up one
hundred and eighty six points, just under one percent. Google
numbers this morning little later as well. Forts one hundred

(09:47):
overnight down thirteen points eighty five seven oh the nick
A up three quarters of percent thirty eight thousand, seven
hundred and ninety eight, the AA six two hundred, down
five points eight three seven three. We gained three quarters
of percent yesterday ninety five bases points twelve, nine hundred
and five.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Kimi dollar has recovered US.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Dollar lower point five six four eight against the US
point nine oh three to zero Ossie point five four
three nine Euro point four to five two three pounds
eighty seven point twenty five Japanese yen gold still strong,
twenty eight hundred and forty one dollars. Small lift in
Brent crewed seventy six dollars and twenty two cents.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, I'll see Friday you do in the four day.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Four day there You've got to talk out of products.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Productivity problem right there, and you think about.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
That mitigating circumstances.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I will course, there are Andrew Kellaherjmiwealth dot Co, dot
in zscar Ferrari. You can't sell enough of them. Our
net revenues increased by roughly five percent to more than
seven billion, that's euros. And what's growing demand apart from
the selling more cars, of course, is the growing demand
for personalization. So not only do you want to buy
a Ferrari, you want to buy a flash Ferrari with

(10:58):
extra bits and pieces. So they're going gangbusters. So good
luck to them. May have something to do with Lewis,
who knows. Six twenty one here of news Talk, said.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
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Speaker 2 (11:17):
You know, Mike, you's so right back in my day,
fifty six years old, it was not something to brag
about being unemployed. To people these days, it sounds cruel,
but it's that very pressure that pushed us not to
be unemployed. Back then. You didn't self righteously save the
systems loaded against me a claim disadvantage for whatever reason.
It was just life and getting through it well, said Mitch,
warning Mike sixty five this year is still working six
days a week, well don't you. And then just to

(11:37):
remind you how well the councils around the country are
spending our money. They have gone. There's a group of
them Auckland, Hamilton Tower on the Hut City Pari RUA, Wellington,
christ Church, Dunedin City Council as well as Wyk hat Original.
They've gone and done a quality of life survey. Seventy
seven percent of us apparently feeling positive about our quality
of life, which is down from eighty three and down
from eighty seven eighty three and twenty twenty two eighty

(11:59):
seven and twenty so we're getting more miserable, but overall
was still happy. Twenty five percent feel our quality of
life had improved in the previous twelve months. The most
popular reasons for that is health and financial well being.
We're less concerned about climate change, No kidding, Those worries
have been replaced by cost of living housing concerns double
no kidding. Auckland and Pori ruer lowest satisfaction, so you're

(12:22):
miserable if you're an Auckland and porriy rue this morning, boohoo.
D need Knights most satisfied, so that they're fantastic. So
counsels spent money on that. You believe that crap?

Speaker 1 (12:31):
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healthy all year round.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
The Super Bowl adds for Estella Artois have done a
David and Dave put together by Matt Damon Ben Affleck's
Creative Studio, features David Beckham meeting his long lost brother
Dave Beckham, who was played by Matt Damon.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Mum, dud, we have something to tell you.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
You have a twin brother. Men have been told you
about Cosorry.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
So what's his name? You called him? O?

Speaker 9 (13:00):
There's two David into one has to be with a David.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Where is he left them in America?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Are you Beckham? Dave Beckham?

Speaker 10 (13:11):
No way?

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Hey, what did you say?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Your name was?

Speaker 1 (13:13):
David? Try one of these that is the best Buffalo
wing in the county.

Speaker 11 (13:16):
You eat Buffalo's just check them invented in Buffalo in
the city, so it's.

Speaker 12 (13:21):
Not Buffalo all right, man, you drink Stella.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I have taste, David. Something I have to tell you.
My brother is a famous akro player.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, so how famous are you?

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Damon famous?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Maybe Ben Afflet famous. That's a show, Lord, Shastella Artoire's
new four Moments worth More campaign. Whatever anyway, super Bowl news.
The price of tickets. If you still want to go,
you've got till this coming Monday to get to New Orleans.
Price of tickets as plummet. It's down below four thousand
dollars on the secondary market at the moment. That's a

(13:53):
thirty percent decline over the past week and more than
fifty percent cheaper than last year. People are sick of
the chiefs, isn't it. It's a funny insight into the
human psyche. They're sick of the chiefs being so successful.
Chiefs there again again, I don't want to get a
New Orleans. Also, New Orleans ain't Vegas. Last year was Vegas,
so you went for the whole week, went nuts. Not
the same sort of thing in New Orleans. New Orleans

(14:13):
not been the same thing since Katrina, so it's not. Also,
the stadium's bigger. The New Orleans Stadium holds seventy four
thousand people and the Allegiant Stadium and Vegas only holds
sixty five. So between the Chiefs, between the Orleans, between
more seats, you can get a cheaper seat of the
Super Bowl if you're interested news. In a couple of moments, Yeah,
the retail scene in New Zealand, no one does it

(14:34):
better really than Briscoes. And they were flat, so the
times they are tight. Rod Duke on that for you
in a couple of moments. Then later on we'll talk
to Janet Dixon about the real estate business.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Setting the agenda and talking the big issues. The mic
Hosking breakfast with the range rover villa designed to intrigue
and use togs dead.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Be at some point it's going to start worrying them
if it hasn't already. Another tool that mills out yesterday.
This is for they poll for the Labor Party. They
do it for corporates. It gets leaked into the media anyway.
The point this time run, this's the second pole. One
was just before Christmas Labour's gone to thirty four, National
thirty three, so Labour beats National. That's New Greens on twelve,
don't believe it Act on nine, New Zealand First on

(15:16):
five and a bit Maory Party on four and a
bit so. The point being, this time round the left
block get to govern the country. Last time National had
a bit of trouble, but they were still holding on
to government. This time they're not so two poles in counting.
Something to think about. We'll raise it with the Gang
after eight o'clock Politics Wednesday, twenty two to seven terrif
update Whichard Arnold's all over it and Trump's Sovereign Wealth Fund.

(15:39):
I was surprised America didn't have one of them. Maybe
they do and he just wants to make another one.
But anyway, the sovereign wealth fund idea, it doesn't seem
like a bad idea, and it could end up owning TikTok,
Sir Richard on that shortly meantime, back here a new
insight into the retail side of our economy. Briscoes, one
of the nation's shinier success stories, produces their Q four results.
Of course, broadly their flap which given circumstances, as Andrew

(16:01):
was suggesting earlier on the program, might actually be a
good news story. The group managing director is, of course
Rod Duke, whu is with this Rod morning to you.

Speaker 11 (16:08):
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Does flat make you happy or not?

Speaker 10 (16:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (16:12):
I think that's pretty pretty good in the lot of
what's happening out there at the moment.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
The number I like was the post COVID one you
talked about, and that was there's been a big, solid
bounce back, so that I mean a lot of industries
haven't come back since COVID you have. What do you
put that down to?

Speaker 11 (16:26):
I think just the just the operating platform of Go Delay,
which were of market that proposes the customers, you know,
a real good product for a good price, still continues
to resonate in the in the suburbs.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
And the Black Friday Boxing Day thing was in this rib.
Is that a big deal? Is that like a game changer,
make or breakday or not?

Speaker 13 (16:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (16:48):
Look, it probably is. Black Friday for us is the
biggest single day in our in our training year, and
the three or four days around the biggest days, continuous
days that we've sort of superseded Boxing Day in.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
These days Okay, home where one point seven or one
point two seven and sports at zero point four four?
Is that material or are they basically the same sort
of thing.

Speaker 11 (17:15):
It's the same. It's the same sort of thing. Look,
if we if we chose the best little harder with rebel,
then the number would have been a little greater. And
quite frankly, if we press a little harder wouldn't have
been ninety nine point four, it would have been one
one point six mean in terms of sales results.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Okay, economists say the second half of this year will
be the better half of the year. Do you see
that or not?

Speaker 11 (17:39):
Yeah, I'm budgeting that way as well. We think the
national government has surrounded a time to start to explore
some interesting things they might have up their slave and
it's just about really to go. And I think you're
thinking it, Reelected, they've probably got to go. Pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
I'm glad you said that, because a lot of people
are saying that. I just don't know if they're getting
the message. And when I talk to luxon each week,
he's full of vim and vigor and intent, but there
aren't the runs on the board. Is that fair?

Speaker 14 (18:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (18:12):
I think so. And I think they will be marked
seriously if in fact by say end of March, well
we don't see some serious initiatives.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, so they need to get on with it, and
they probably should have been the first place. What about
your hours and staff and all of that. Talk to
me about that because over the holidays and wandering around
with a lot of people closed in hospital and still
a lot of people moaning about they can't get can
you get staff and do you retain them?

Speaker 11 (18:38):
This time of year typically we've got a lot of
mums and uni students filling in casual work for it,
given we've got stop takes vent of here and big
sales events. Yeah, we found it difficolt to get to
get staff pre Christmas, that is to we managed to

(19:01):
fill up.

Speaker 10 (19:01):
But it is, it is.

Speaker 11 (19:03):
It is a tough market in terms of getting the.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Right people, even though yeah, so the right people is
the key. I take it is that just a thing?
Is that just the way things are? Or is something wrong?

Speaker 10 (19:13):
Now?

Speaker 11 (19:13):
It's been like that, I guess for a couple of years.
We went through a period, if we recall a very
very low unemployment and so that was that was even
more difficult. You you get heads, but perhaps not the
right ones, but now it just continues to be difficult,
and I think even came forward it's to be quite difficult.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
It's good to talk to you. Rod appreciated very much.
Rod Duke Briscoe's group managing director, eighteen minutes away from.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Seven passing everyone.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I'm getting a lot in private, you know, business leaders
in this country, and I'm assuming they're telling Luxon, you
gotta get on with it. This the whole thing, and
I go. I go back to that Hayfield update with
Nikola Willis before Christmas where she literally looks sick. I've
never seen her look sick. She looked sick. It seemed
to me at that particular point in time, with the
numbers in front of her, she suddenly realized that what

(20:03):
they had done up to this point was kind of
going on next to nothing, and it wasn't working. The
economy isn't working, and they need a rocket and they
need to kick up the JACKXI. And if they're going
to turn the polls and get reelected and not have
us all sit there and go, yeah, they look good,
but it didn't turn out to be much, did it.
If they need to avoid that, they got to do

(20:24):
something pretty substantive this year eighteen two.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
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Speaker 2 (20:32):
Talks AB Mike disgraceful behavior by the AB halfback coach
and management. A joke for sitting back. That's a great
story this morning. If you don't know what we're talking about,
or come back to it in a second, Mike, can
you tell me what it's supposed to be as most
of it seems to pinned on the RB and the
interest rates fair call. Well, let me give you one example.
I mean, the fairies were a good example I gave
to Luxeon yesterday. But another example was the visas Chinese

(20:54):
Chinese tourists and visas. Luxon didn't have a clue what
was going on with that yesterday, so we went to
Erakistan office yesterday. Her answer I regard as being alarming
and we'll come back to that shortly.

Speaker 15 (21:05):
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Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business, Richard.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Anold Morning doing. Okay, so China's involved, but we got
fiebten so maybe maybe not right.

Speaker 16 (21:18):
Yeah, China firing back after the Trump teriffs took effect
basaling retaliating with a series of measures. The Trump ten
percent tariff on all Chinese products took effect just after
midnight here. Then China responded, and this will be significant
depending on how long this trade war goes on. China
is putting a tariff tax on things like cold natural
gas and farm products from the US. But also China

(21:41):
is restricting the export of some critical materials. This includes
many that are used in high tech industries. That's going
to be an issue, isn't it. The United States depends
a lot on China for some critical minerals like gallium, germanium, graphite,
many others. Barreently limits on these could cause significant harm
to the US economy. So drugs, talking about prescription drugs,

(22:02):
medical drug prices here, the Trump tariffs are likely to
drive those prices way up. About half of the generic
drugs that people take in this country, including cancer drugs, antibiotics,
blood thinners, whole long list, are made entirely outside the
US of A because manufacturing is cheaper. Generic drugs account
for about ninety percent of all prescriptions filled here. So

(22:25):
if this goes on, people a lot of people are
going to notice. For instance, in Wisconsin today There is
a story of one family who has a filed a
lawsuit because their son, Cole Schmidneck, has died of an
asthma attack because he could no longer afford a life
saving in haaler. This twenty two year old, this fellow, Cole,
was living with severe asthma for his life and routinely

(22:47):
used and inhaler that cost him about one hundred and
seventeen dollars in New Zealand a month, but the cost
of that inhaler recently was sent right up to a
price of nine hundred and fifty five dollars a month.
This was a life sign saving medication. He couldn't afford
the thing. Just a few days ago he had a
severe asthma attack, his family saying he was struggling for
days and days to breathe. Then he fell unconscious because

(23:09):
he was using only an emergency in halo, which is
what he could afford, and he died a few days ago.
So in the trade war, who has the upper hand
in today's global market? The Wall Street Journal calls this
trade war quote the dumbest ever. That was an editorial
that they produced this week, and that newspaper's boss, Rupert
Murdoch just visited President Trump in the Oval Office. They
were sitting together. Trump then was asked this by a reporter,

(23:34):
the dunest trading work, dumbest trade war ever. Meantime, there
is a thirty day pause, as you know, on taris
for Mexico and Canada, where a couple of at a
couple of international hockey matches in Canada, the US national
anthem was booed by many Canadians, Canadians politest people on

(24:02):
the Plato or at least they used to be right.
Trump is claiming success with Mesico sending some troops to
the border and canadagreeing to some new border controls as well.
But that new Canadian border deal we're saying weeks ago,
i e. Before Trump even took office.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
And then we come to the Sovereign Wealth Fund idea,
which I'm not against actually, but will it's separately end
up buying TikTok.

Speaker 16 (24:23):
Well, it depends what you use it for, right, And
the Trump team is floating that, yeah, the government could
buy TikTok. We know that independent groups have been offering
to buy the Chinese own social media site. That story
has been playing out for months and months, but to
have TikTok as a government owned entity, state run media. Well,
that's something new in the Land of the Free, isn't it.
They're canvassing the sort of giving TikTok a seat in

(24:44):
the White House Briefing Room as well. The new Sovereign
Wealth Fund could be used for this purpose. As what
they're saying. This follows the eviction, as you've been speaking
about in recent days, of a number of major media
outlets from key seats in the White House Briefing Room,
which is a tiny space, and at the Pentagon. So
this is part of an ongoing assault on major media.
The Trump team also has begun a review of sponsorships

(25:05):
used by public Broadcasting here and National Public Radio again
government run and community sponsored radio network, because I don't
like the coverage. So that is after the White House
barred the New York Times, NBC, in PR, and Politico
from those Pentagon seats. There is also a spike in
deformation cases, numbers of them were seeing. Some major outlets

(25:26):
like American ABC are paying multimillion dollars settlements instead of
fighting these things forever in court at who knows what cost.
The publisher of The New York Times has written an
op ed in the rival Washington Post. He says Trump
seems to be attempting to do in this country what
Victor Auburn did in Hungary. Instead of jailing journalists, says
The New York Times Boss, they use licensing and contracts

(25:48):
while suing traditional media so that after a time only
government friendly media remains. The independent media in Hungary virtually
was dismantled. Some are raising concerns about the fate of
America's freeze.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
So Friday m't appreciate it. CBS is the one to
follow as well. A sixty minutes interview with Carmel Harris
that the arguments they're looking to settle it, and there's
a tremendous amount of fury within CBS. By the way,
RFK they're going to have a floor vote. Will keep
you posted on that. The Senate has confirmed Chris Wright
as the Energy Secretary. He's a fracker CEO of Liberty Energy,
and a really cool video if you haven't seen it,

(26:22):
of him in what appears to be a hotel room
up against a hotel window in his underwear gy rating.
So that's a little something to maybe keep you entertained
on White Agi day nine to seven.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
The Mite Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate news Dogs,
dead bees.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
So tourism eighty seven percent risk of the world's ninety
nine percent. Many countries are over one hundred percent post COVID,
wh're not eighty seven percent. It's a disaster. So one
of the problems. One of the ideas floated is that
what we do is reciprocate the deal with China. China,
do you need a visa to go to China? Know
you don't, so why don't we reciprocate? Well, Prime Minister
didn't have a clue, so we went off to Erica
Stamford Immigration Minister's office yesterday and they told us these

(26:59):
bleas obvious that they're not a visa away of a country.
Sixty countries are. They're not, But you can, if you
want to fill out the paperwork and spend hundreds of dollars,
come here on a multiple visit visa. But our point
being if you didn't have a visa, it wouldn't be
a problem. The moment you say, look, you need a
lot of pieces of paper and hundreds of dollars, you
don't worry about it. So make it easy it's been
in place since twenty fourteen and it is a benefit,

(27:21):
not a restriction. What a pile of bollocks. Get them
into the country five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
For the ins and the outs. It's the fizz with
business paper take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
JL have had a look at cafe culture to only
in Auckland. I'm sorry, but when do we buy our coffee?
They've used data from Google and the answer is Thursday,
most popular day for the cafe between eleven and midday.
They put that down to people going up from mid
morning client meeting. What a pile of rubbish. How do
they possibly work that out? They're guessing anyway, it's eleven

(27:56):
o'clock Thursday, Wednesday and Friday just a little bit behind Thursday.
Monday and Tuesday a bit quieter. They think that's probably
because no one goes to the office on Monday and Tuesday,
because everyone's working from home outside of Thursday at eleven,
busiest period between seven and nine for ob is reason
four fifty to seven dollars is the price you paid
four fifty to seven dollars anywhere between four fifty and
seven dollars? What are you getting for seven dollars And

(28:18):
next question, why are you spending seven dollars on a
commercial cup of coffee? Now, I'm not anti hospial, and
I don't want to run businesses down, but I mean,
for goodness sake, at seven dollars, you have two coffees
a day, fourteen dollars a day times five or maybe
only times three because you only work three days a
week or a week light? Do you only worked three
days because you're taking the Thursday and the Friday and
the Saturday and the Sunday. Anyway, the release of the

(28:40):
data is they hope businesses can use it as a
model for success to help drive down retail vacancies and
the CBD. What would help drive down retail vacancies and
the CBD if people got off their ass and actually
went to the office stop working from home. We need
and executive order on that. Every time Luxem walks into
the studio, I start talking about executive orders and he

(29:00):
shakes his head at me. I'm infuriating him at the moment,
because of course we don't have executive orders for fairly
obvious reasons. Chris Bishop was out yesterday reorganizing social housing.
They got half a billion dollars worth of houses worth
more than two million dollars. It's nuts, so at last
they're finally doing something about it.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
The Breakfast show Kiwi's Trust to Stay in the Know,
The Mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate finding the
buyers others can't use togs.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
eNB Wanting seven past seven, the Social Housing resets on.
They're selling the ones worth a lot in rebuilding new
ones for less, so they're selling nine hundred ish fifteen
hundred get built. The Housing Minister Chris Bishop is with us.
Very good morning to you.

Speaker 17 (29:39):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
The debt issue they carry, how quickly does that get sorted?

Speaker 17 (29:44):
The debt will be about one point eight billion dollars
lower in three to four years time than it is
than it was four past to b which is good.
They will still carry debt and you'd expect that because
there's a large entity with a large number of assets.

Speaker 11 (29:58):
So that's fine.

Speaker 17 (29:59):
But of course we have fundle of that debt as
tax payers. That comes off our you know, the Crown's box,
the government's box, so it is important that we get
that debt under control. We've got a balanced plan here
where we're continuing to build more houses, but as you say,
sell five otheru ones, sell ones in the wrong location,
ones where they're just simply uneconomic to upgrade. It does

(30:19):
make sense just to sell the house or sell the
land that the house is on. So it's a balance
plan where we've got a plan to invest and keep
the housing stock the same, but have much more focus
on cost control. So KO was building at about twelve
percent above what the market was building at, for example,
and so that's unsustainable. And I think everyone listening on

(30:40):
many people listening will have stories about KO coming to
town with the big checkbooks from the last government, plenty
of easy money, plenty of cheap debt. KO comes to
town and the price goes up for building materials and
for land, and you know, there's a whole lot of
quite crazy decision frankly, and so we put in under control.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
That make some match stuff that you you're talking about.
You know, there's a big que of people twenty thousand,
most of them want one beds. Why put a one
beady person in a three bedroom and remy, we're are
worth two and a half million dollars. Is that lack
of rigor or is it simply, you can't forecast what
people are going to need twenty years down the track.

Speaker 17 (31:16):
It's a lack of rigor and it's the system not
responding quickly enough or effectively enough. So we're changing the system.
And one of the things well Bed working on really
hard this year is moving to a much more deliberate
purchasing role for the Crown when it comes to what
people need, and we're going to be really looking at
individual customers and individual clients and what they need. So

(31:36):
as you say, fifty percent of people on the register,
they just need a one bedroom unit. They don't need
a three or four bedroom unit. They just need a
one bedroom unit. And actually we can build that really cheaply,
and some of the stuff we're doing on the granny flats,
for example, make it easier to build one and two
bedroom granny flats on properties will make a real difference there.
So they just need a one bedroom unit. But it's
fifty percent of the register, twelve percent of what KO owns.

(31:57):
They've known about that for twenty years, frankly longer, and
it's just successive governments, particularly the last government, have not
been really clear about what they're trying to build Basically
the story of the last government was they gave them
billions and billions and billions of dollars of debt and
operating funding and just said, build as many houses as
you can, and we don't really care where they where

(32:17):
you book them, and we don't really care what they cost.
We just want houses. As a result, the organization had
to scale up really quickly. They did build quite a
lot of houses in the last two three years, but
those houses have come at huge expense. You'll have seen
those one point five million dollar apartments in Auckland, for example.
I mean, KAO should not be building massively expensive, ornate
apartments with Juliette balconies and all sorts of bells and

(32:40):
whistles and things like that.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Where we should Where were the board that you've got
rid of? Will they quit? Were they under riding instructions
or were they incompetent?

Speaker 17 (32:50):
Well, I mean all I can say is we changed
the board and that was one of the first recommendations
of the independent review we did in the first quarter
of last year to refresh the board. I don't want
to get too much into the details of it, but
I suffice to say we've been we were unhappy with
the organization and opposition. We were unhappy when we came
to government. The review born that out and we've made

(33:12):
the changes.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Well, good luck with it, Chris Bishop, Housing Minister. I
think he answered it without answering it didn't need to.
Eleven minutes past seven pass goods started today. Consensus seems
to be will have lost about thirty thousand of them
in the past year, which will give us an unemployment
rate of about five point one ish as economist Henry
Russell with US Henry morning.

Speaker 13 (33:29):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
What's your number.

Speaker 13 (33:32):
We're at five point one two, so that would be
from four point eight percent in the previous quarter, and
it looks like everyone's landed around the same figure today.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
With a peak of what and when.

Speaker 13 (33:43):
So our current forecast is for the unemployment rate to
peak at five and a half percent in the middle
of this year. But recent data has actually been slightly
more encouraging and that we have seen a return and months.
We feel jobs data over the past two months and
part of the reason the young employem isn't lifting isn't
likely to list so high as that we are also

(34:03):
seeing a strongest response from the supply side. Less people
are exiting the workforce, most likely because jobs are harder
to come by and potentially chasing better opportunities offshore. So
the hopes that we do rights to appeak slightly below
that sometime in the first half.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
It's like the mortgage clippers are saying earlier on in
the program, it's sort of the doom days never really came,
which I suppose is the glass half full scenario. Do
you see something positive in the latter part of next year?
Is that the whole scenario of what we're hearing from
economists at the moment.

Speaker 12 (34:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (34:36):
Absolutely. I think it is important to note that these
data today are very much a reflection of where the
economy has been rather than necessarily where it's going. So
the labor market does tend to lag the broader economic cycle.
And what we've seen over recent months is that the
recovery is underway in the economy. Business confidence has risen sharp,
the consumer confidence is recovering, card spendings now trending. Hi,

(35:00):
there's a lot of positives, but you know, these things
do take time. It won't be accident, but the second
half this year it is certainly likely to be brighter.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Big ship slow turn Henry go well, appreciate it. Henry
Russell ains at Economist twelve minutes past seven, pask here's
the key to the scandal. I raised it at the time.
I said, there is no way in the world TJ
was doing that with everybody's knowledge, No way in the world.
I won't name names, but I know some people and
I can tell you right now that they were looking
at that and these are people in the All Blacks.
They were looking at that game. What the hell happened there?

(35:30):
So finally the story is out in the Herald this morning.
Here's the key to it. Piranara, because it was his
final game, wanted a solo show, so he was going
to not just leave the Harker, but he was going
to give you a little bit of something beforehand. Wouldn't
tell anybody what that was going to be. Red Flag
number one, wouldn't tell anybody what it was going to be.
Message of unity, he said a few hours. I quote

(35:53):
the story a few of course. At this point, it's
a lot of angst in the All Blacks. And you
can see why New Zealand rugby is in the state
it's in because there was angst all over the place.
A few hours before kickoff, the coaching and management group,
as well as a few players, became aware that Perinara
was no longer willing to lead the Harker without being
able to offer a message of unity. So, in other words,
he was blackmailing them red flag number two. At that point,

(36:17):
you say, TJ, tell us what it is. You're on
the bench. Simple as that, the specifics of what exactly
would be said were never discussed. Red flag number How
many red flags?

Speaker 14 (36:30):
You want?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
New Zealand Rugby Union and you want it? Of course
they were ringing us last night. They could not come
on this program fast enough to explain them. Oh hold
on what, Oh no, sorry, no one's available to defend
themselves as per usual with the New Zealand rugby Union.
And you wonder where rugby's in the state, It's in
TJ goes, hey, I want to do something special and

(36:52):
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past seven.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
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Speaker 2 (37:09):
B Janet Dixon, Maori Course real estate. You know the story.
She's with us after a seven thirty seventeen past seven.
We've got the fruit bowl of New Zealand ripe and
ready for the picking harvest time in the bay. What
are we talking about? Apples? Of course, and when I
say the Bay Hawks Bay Groves reporting the earliest crop
they've seen in decades, it's important because nearly two thirds
of our apples come from the Bay Hawk's Bay Fruit
Groves Association President Brighton this but with us Brighton, very

(37:31):
good morning to you.

Speaker 14 (37:32):
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I'm very well, thank you. You had a perfect storm
and no pun intended there. Obviously it's all come together
we otherwise I take it. Listen.

Speaker 12 (37:40):
It's looking incredibly good this year. We had a fantastic
winter which set up good winter chilling units and set
up the bud an extremely early spring. In a fine spring,
we didn't get a lot of rain, so everything's set
for a fantastic.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Harvest volume v quality.

Speaker 12 (37:57):
If you got both, we've got both a huge volume
out there. The quality is good, that the apples are
sizing up, the colors fantastic. Of course, we need cooler
knights to bring up the color and we've had a
lot of cool nights and at the moment, we're kind
of sitting in the mid twenties through the day and
dropping down to ten.

Speaker 11 (38:15):
Or eleven at nights.

Speaker 12 (38:16):
So it's just it's a perfect breed for a.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Great absolutely perfect labor.

Speaker 10 (38:21):
You got it.

Speaker 12 (38:23):
Baby's good. No, we have a support of government. Labour
doesn't seem to be too much of a problem anymore.
We have backpackers back in town. We have rscs. Here
are valued workers from the Pacific who are just fantastic.
We couldn't do what we could do without them. And
of course we've got kiwis around about as well.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
What about the size of the industry posts the storms?
Is it smaller than what it was?

Speaker 14 (38:46):
It's a little bit smaller.

Speaker 12 (38:48):
You'd be surprised that, you sa. We had about eighty
growers about four thousand hicctares affected from the floods, and
out of four thousand hctores, we had six hundred and
ten that were completely wiped out that some will never
be planted again. Some well, but pre twenty twenty three
floods we're only only in a deficit of about one
hundred and one hundred and ten hectares. I think good,

(39:12):
that's not plat.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Do you know anything about what? Godcha, do you know
anything about grapes? Not really, it's just so maybe I
just followed the grapes and they'll be picking very shortly.
Would would though? It should be good for the grapes
as well, shouldn't it.

Speaker 14 (39:27):
I think it'll be good for the grapes.

Speaker 12 (39:29):
It's definitely good for the for our vegetables, the onion harvest,
the good to squash out there is just doing fantastic.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Love it, go well with it, enjoy it, brighton this
but hawks by fruit Gross Association tell you what I'm
excited about it. In my place, I've got apples, a
lot of apples. He's right about. I mean, I'm the
north of him, obviously, but the apples are good.

Speaker 10 (39:44):
Now.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Our apples are crap though they're old fashioned apples. No
one wants our apples unless you're going to do something
like stew them. So we don't pears. We've got a
lot of pears. But the figs fig season, which I
reckon might before. I'm thinking maybe a month to go
absolutely Gangbusters had them netted up the other day. Ready
to rock and roll twenty past seven.

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the Trade Union. Yes, CTU Policy Director Craig Rennie is
worried about the same thing I'm worried about, and I
think he's right to be worried. What he's worried about
is the possibility that we will become a net exporter

(41:14):
of population. Oh, the irony as an exporting nation, as
we've just been talking about with the apples of one
of the growth industries. As it turns out to people,
we're exporting people. If you follow the migration story these
past couple of years, couple of large and some would
argue alarming things have happened. One a huge number of
people have arrived. Two a huge number of people have left.
Things are sort of starting to settle. The arrival numbers

(41:34):
are tailing off, but the departure numbers, although not breaking
the records they were, are still large. The key part
of that numeric equation is we're at a tipping point.
It is more than possible that if the arrival numbers
drop just a little bit more but the departure numbers don't,
we will have more people leaving than arriving. We will
be a net exporter of people. The really scary thing

(41:55):
about that is more than about maths who it's the people,
you know. One in one out isn't an and of
itself a good thing. Of the out is a brain surgeon,
and the inn is an uber driver. The overall picture,
a shrinking population is a disaster because for every person
who thought too many arrived and they had no houses
and that whole debate, having a shrinking population is as bad,

(42:19):
if not worse reputationally. It's catastrophic the country no one
wants to live and think about it not normally a
portrait of a robust, successful, prosperous nation, is it. What
it says is those looking to move here don't fancy it.
They pick somewhere else. Meantime, those already here look to
leave for brighten or appealing pastures. We are the ugly
girl in the corner of the school dance. It's a reminder,

(42:41):
as if we needed it, that this country has a
series of problems the size and severity that we have
not faced in many a long decade. Asking why can
you believe West Bake Girls High is having a work
from home day? Yes I can do. You know why
I know about that because we're doing it at ten
to eight this morning. Stand by for that. That's yet
more malaise in this country. So tomorrow off back to

(43:02):
work Friday. Why would you be bother? Let's have a
let's have a work from home day. They're claiming it's
to prepare for emergencies. You must always be prepared for
an emergency. I mean, come on, Mike, Bay of Islands
picking chardonay the past two weeks, good on you? Or
the landing, well that's beautiful. Look up the landing and
see if you want to go there and stay for

(43:22):
a while. Mike, if your company said you must take
a week long course in Toroyo, lose your job, what
would you do? It's very good questions. The vactually mandate
all over again, that's different to the rule. So it's
the threat of you losing your job. Most people would acquiesce,
you know, but grudgingly and go okay, I'll do it.
I don't like it. I mean, let's be frank and
I will talk to Janet about this very shortly. Most

(43:45):
of us have to do things we don't want to
do in some way, shape or form in our jobs.
That's just life. But the bigger picture is the principle.
Does a group in this case, the real estate people
have the right to impose upon you in this case,
what I would have thought of self employed people the
ability to follow orders the court said as of yesterday. Yes,

(44:06):
so where does that go now? So we'll talk a
bit about that as well. Can I also just quickly
congratulate Tory far Now. I was there a moment ago
agreeing with a union. I'm also now for the first
time congratulating Tory fun Now. Yes said, I know it's
something something's gone wrong with me. I need tomorrow off.
She said she should have done a term as a
counselor before running for the city's top job. So she

(44:29):
is useless of that. There is no question. The Wellington
Council are useless of that, there is no question. But
at least now she has the wherewithal to be honest
and open about that, and for that, good on her.

Speaker 14 (44:40):
It's more that she's agreed with you, really, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
You can put it that way, Glenn, But I'm taking
the higher ground.

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Speaker 2 (44:59):
Mike Mike School and the wire rapper basically told everyone,
if you want to take Friday off, make it a
long weekend, go for it. If the kids come to school,
it'll be a sports day. I know of two other
schools doing the same thing. So David Seymour's kind of
let's all get back to school and try and rectify
our educational crisis doesn't seem to have worked that well.
Also this time yesterday, by the way, roughly we were

(45:19):
talking to the Prime Minister render I raised UNRA. Nobody
seems to care in this country. But this woman who
was talking to Keir Starmer over the weekend, a freed
hostage British Israeli told them she had been kept as
a hostage in an UNRA headquarters. And this is an
aid agency run by the United Nations that we pay for,

(45:40):
we pay a million dollars to, And I thought, well,
hold on here. We reviewed them last year because we
thought they were sus then, and are we worried about
it now? And of course I suspect from the comments
coming from Winston Peter's office that they didn't know anything
about this. As discussed is what they told us yesterday,
as discussed. Currently, one million parandom is allocated to UNRU
with a single payment made by June each year. In fact,
taken to a count information on the ground of matters

(46:01):
of integrity of aid organizations funded. A recommendation will be
made which will be shared with the Minister. Obviously, the
recent information following the release of the hostages by Hamas
will be taken into account. Will keep you posted on
when a decision on funding is mode. Doesn't seem that
they were over the exercise about it says such a
weird thing, isn't it that? The other thing I might

(46:21):
mention briefly is there seems to be a level of hysteria.
This is not me defending what Trump is doing, but
there seems to be a level of hysteria around USAID
and it closing down. And that seems to be the
beginning of the middle and the end of the reportage.
USAID is not being closed down. USAID is being folded

(46:41):
into the State Department, the argument being Marco Rubiez in
charge of the State Department. The argument being is that
USAID had completely and utterly out of control and the
stuff that they're supposed to be spending money on they're not,
and they want it tidied up, and so meantime, while
all that's going on, everyone's going.

Speaker 10 (46:55):
Oh my god, at the end of the world.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
It won't be the end of the world. It's never
the end of the world. It'll just be slightly different.
Twenty one minutes away from eight now didn't end well
for Janet Dixon. So she's the real estate agent who
refused to do the seed as it's called, which is
the Maria te Tidity treaty. Course all real estate agents
must do as of twenty twenty three when they made
it compulsory. This was fought in the courts, and yesterday

(47:18):
the judge all the real estate agent's authority were within
their rights to make it compulsory. So what now Janet
Dixon's will this good morning?

Speaker 18 (47:24):
Hey morning mate.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
I saw I saw this coming, not because you're not right,
but because courts don't necessarily deal with common sense, they
deal with the sort of the rule of law. Are
you Are you disappointed?

Speaker 18 (47:36):
Correct?

Speaker 10 (47:37):
No? No?

Speaker 18 (47:37):
No, I mean personally I had no hopes because I
just didn't believe that anyone would have the courage to
front up. Yeah, two bigger, too, bigger, two bigger kickback
to come exactly because of the issues.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Has it been worth the fight in your view?

Speaker 18 (47:52):
Oh gosh, yes, because we are fired up for step two.
Just to clarify the as a real estate salesperson I've
been forced to do. Try to Mari Tikkanga and the
Treaty of White tonguey enforced compulsory education. I said, no,
they will take my license. The thing is, the result
says that the court believes that it is okay actually

(48:17):
to force the entire country, in all work to do
the same thing, to go through this kind of brainwashing
with no relation whatsoever to your work. And I have
been brought up amongst Maori I've taught in too, Mari school,
et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
I don't need it, no, And for practical purposes, it
doesn't make any difference in selling a house, or having
an open home, or going to tender any of that.
Does it or does it?

Speaker 18 (48:47):
It has no reflection on our work none where to
do with contract law and disclosure and in buying and
selling properties.

Speaker 10 (48:57):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
What I find interesting is that I thought real estate agent,
so this was the association that had, according to the court,
the right to impose this particular law and make it compulsory.
I thought you guys were self employed.

Speaker 18 (49:11):
Yes, but we still are under a augh the Justice Department,
the Real Estate Authority is a crown entity, so yeah,
we've got obligations under there, and Dave, at this point,
they've got the power to do it. And you know
what the in the Act it says it doesn't so
they can't. No, nobody ever dreamed that anyone would do this.

(49:34):
And our next thing is to change the lawmak that's
what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Well, changing the law. What about change? What about the
body itself? Is the body itself of an ideological stand
that if you've got different people within that body, they
would take a different decision to the one they've taken
or not.

Speaker 18 (49:51):
I believe so. Yes, I think it's this particular crowd,
the CEO leading yep. I believe so, and they've been
on it for a couple of years before it started.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah. What about the counter argument? And that is that
in life sometimes you've got to suck up some stuff
and it is what it is.

Speaker 18 (50:09):
Mike, this was way over the line. I will not
sit down and learn how to worship the Maori gods.
I'm a full one hundred percent current to Christian. Sorry,
that does not work for me. Nobody can make me
do that. And you know, if for nothing else that
was it no way.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
So what are you going to do now because your
license will be suspended. I'm taking it.

Speaker 10 (50:33):
Yep.

Speaker 18 (50:33):
I've got twenty days to for you know, to recount.
But we've now been joined by the Free Speech Union.
So we've got Hops, we've got Frank's Ogilvy amazing busy
writing the law and Hops and Fredge during the funding
and others, and now we've got the Free Speech Union.

(50:54):
We're tooling up, not stepping back.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Nice to talk to Janet Jennet Dixon real estate agents
and it's away from Ape Scar. Speaking of which of
the Treaty Principles related issue, I read a submission. It's
the first full submission I've read so far of the
Treaty Principle's hearings, which are ongoing. It's written by David Harvey.
It was on the news room website. He runs Internet Law,

(51:18):
Internet dot Law dot NZ. He's a retired district court judge.
It's a proceeed version, but not that proceed It was short,
it was succinct. I don't think you can argue with it,
and this is what he've said. He starts by going,
I'm a retired District Court judge. Edmund Burke, reference to
a British politician of the seventeen hundreds, thought that society

(51:40):
is an enterprise that promotes the interests of all parties,
and that partnership depends on respecting those interests. Burke believed
that the ends of this partnership cannot be achieved in
a single generation, so it is a partnership between multiple generations.
Government is a liberal democracy, or in a liberal democracy,
involves the government on the one hand and the governed
on the other. Government is a liberal democracy governs with

(52:00):
the consent of the government. The consent of the governed
legitimizes government expressed by regular plebiscites. The consent of the
governed may be withdrawn by the plebiscite, in which case
a new government governs with the consent of the governed.
These arrangements are in the nature of a partnership, as
articulated by Burke, between the government and the government. An
element of that partnership is that the government will govern

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in the best interests of everyone that includes groups of
the governed and naturally includes Maray. The description of the
bill as simplistic is based on a misunderstanding of its
purpose and substantive content. The bill, by implication, incorporates all
the existing principles that are being developed and articulated. Rather
than suppliant or replace the treaty or supplant, it should

(52:41):
say supplant or replace the treaty. It enhances its meaning
as a guiding document for the proper governance of New Zealand.
I submit that the bill should be reported back to
the House with a recommendation that it precedes. It can't
get any simpler than that, can you. Seven forty five.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
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Speaker 2 (53:05):
There's a direct link between your earlier story about net
loss of people in New Zealand and Janet Dixon interview.
Probably right, I said earlier at the start of the program.
I think this is certainly the story of the day
of not the story of the week of not story
of the year. This let be case in Britain, Lucy
let Be Nurse global headlines when she got stuck in
jail for fifteen life sentences, and yet today, up until

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we had to drum up a bit of interest in
our newsroom in this story, because it wasn't around the
place until we alluded.

Speaker 10 (53:30):
Them to it.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
There's a group of experts from a variety of countries.
These are medical experts. They backed by a veteran MP
guy called Sir David Davis, who we featured earlier on
in the program. The chair of this particular panel is
a retired medical called medic called Dr Shu Lee. Panel
of experts from Canada, the US, Japan, Germany, Sweden and
the UK. They looked at all seventeen cases. Lucy let
Be was found guilty of seven murders and attempted on

(53:55):
another seven, so there's a fourteen strong panel. They've looked
at each In every one of the cases, they can
argue medically there was no murder. She did not murder
any babies. They've got significant new evidence. She's serving fifteen
whole life sentences seven babies, attempted to murder seven others,
so they've got them down to natural causes. Alleged others

(54:18):
were due to substandard care. So they're now looking to
go to the Criminal Cases Review Commission. And you've got
to ask yourself and Davis said this himself. He said,
this might well be one of the greatest injustices in
the modern justice system. In our opinion, the medical opinion,

(54:38):
the medical evidence does not support murder in any of
these base It's not like they can't explain three. They
can explain every single one of them. Now, if they're right,
explain to me how the British justice system was able
to hear both signed to the equation and come up
with a conclusion they did, and if they are right,

(55:01):
the medics and they can prove that they are right.
And she gets let out, how worried about the British
judicial process?

Speaker 10 (55:09):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Ten minutes away from it?

Speaker 1 (55:11):
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head bes but away from it.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
So in a sign of the times, I guess Westlake
High which is in Auckland, is having an online learning
day this Friday. Why because tomorrow's the day off, of course,
and staff and students will be working remotely. The school
says it's important to prepare for any future emergencies. So
the Principal's Association President voughn Coyo's with us on this
born morning to you good morning.

Speaker 10 (55:35):
Have a new year.

Speaker 19 (55:35):
We haven't had a chet this year, No, we.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Have, so we're having a new year to you too.
Do you reckon it's really about emergencies, or it's really
about having Thursday off and you can't be bothered with
a Friday.

Speaker 19 (55:44):
It's probably not can't be bothered, but it is relatively
complicated whenever there is a public holiday that falls on
a Tuesday, and the Thursday complicated in their families that
are able want to take advantage of a longer weekend
and parents might take an annual leave day to make
it four days, and that has a little bit of
conflict with or it creates a little bit of tension

(56:05):
with us wanting to engage in classes and keep our
tendencyles up, which is also something that's getting a lot
of focus nationally.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
I was going to say, has did David Seymour when
he said we've got to get back and teacher only
days and all that stuff he said last year? Was
he wasting his time? Essentially?

Speaker 19 (56:22):
Well, it wasn't wasting his time because we all want
kids back in school, but there are some pragmatics that
you've got to deal with. So firstly, when he said
that last year he probably hadn't checked with Minister Stanford,
who had just given schools to two teacher only days
for twenty twenty five to deal with curriculum change, and
then when guidelines came out at the end of last year,
there's also discretion for schools to do another two across

(56:42):
the year if they make the numbers up in terms
of days open, So schools are able to do up
to four teacher only days through the year as approved
by the Minister of Education.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Right do do schools in general send out some sort
of note saying please be reminded that all though Thursday's
a holiday, Friday isn't, so how about we all turn up.

Speaker 19 (57:06):
Not necessarily with each other on mass like that, but
certainly within their community. So it's not uncommon for schools
that are all within a particular area to go, hey,
what are you doing because I don't want my kids
out on Friday if your kids are in because my
kids Illinois, yours and all that sort of things. So
it certainly is some local conversation within a.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
District because we sort of go to the school that
we really should be going to the parents. Apart from anything,
every parent who's taken the kid out of school on
Friday knows full well that what they're doing they shouldn't
be doing. I mean, that's the truth of it, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
That is the rub.

Speaker 19 (57:37):
And on days, on days like Friday or Monday, when
the public holidays on a Tuesday, historically we've seen abysmal attendance.
We've seen it drop down to I think one principle
was saying less than fifty percent of the last few
times that's happened. And so that's not kids exercising discretion.
That's parents are saying, let's have a longer weekend.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Exactly. All right, Bone, must to catch up with you.
We'll talk again in twenty five on COYO, who's the
secondary School of Principles Association four minutes away from eight
asking the destruction of Wellington seemed to me to be
complete yesterday with the news that the official valuations are
out for the year and buy in larger average houses
down twenty five percent. It's been a long time. I
couldn't remember a time when a city or a town

(58:20):
has been so systemically or systematically destroyed by shearing competence
of the leadership of that particular city. You know, the
price of your house is a reflection of demand, and
the reason the demand is where it is is fairly obvious.
It starts at Tory far now goes down through the council.
I know somebody like label would blame the government for

(58:42):
all the job losses in the public service last year,
but I personally would blame labor for inflating the public
service to a ridiculous degree. The pipes that burst, the
crap that flows through the streets, the golden mile that
isn't remotely golden, the buses that don't work, the buses
that do work but go up the wrong street, and
so it goes and then suddenly banked. The house is
worth twenty five percent less.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
The news and the news makers the mic asking breakfast
with the range rover villa designed to intrigue and use togs.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
There'd be some reporter, Jess. We spect that the next
executive order coming from the new United States President, excuse me,
as he's going to sign to close the Education Department.
So this is similar to the USA thing. He'll have
found some things in there that he doesn't like, and
he'll fold it into somewhere else. So they're they're fascinating times.

Speaker 8 (59:31):
This is literally one aside beside, I don't think I
can't make it that far.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
I'm sleeping at the dove today.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Your congratulations, lindmall Craft. It's incredible. This is Bonnie Prince Billy,
who's actually Will Oldham. I don't know why you just
don't call yourself Will old and why why would you go?
I don't like Will Oldham. I might call myself Bonnie
Prince Billy anyway. His album is called The Purple Bird
because he's country. Yes, he's the sole writer of several songs,

(01:00:02):
but they don't illuminate your so clear this is a
kind of country that you don't like, Is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
She said?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
And don't get at home soon?

Speaker 10 (01:00:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I'm just wondering if it's more hymn and if somebody
else sing, if will he sing this, would I like
it better? But no, it probably wouldn't. Also upsetting me
is that there's got twelve tracks but no times associated
with him. So I can't tell you how long The
Class well, I can say it's too long, but apart
from that, not much more specific aim in its past
eight Politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell's with us along with Ginny

(01:00:39):
Anderson morning, you guys, did you get the Yeah, you're
the biggest house owner in all of Parliament market if
you had a house in Wellington.

Speaker 10 (01:00:49):
I hear. But it's on the market at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
What's it on the market for a fire sale? What's
going on there? Have you seen the heaven? You've seen
the valuations that came out yesterday.

Speaker 10 (01:00:57):
Not great, not great at all. No, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
No.

Speaker 20 (01:01:00):
At the moment, I'm sitting at the Treaty Grounds outside
the froy Walker Cafe. I'm here for a breakfast meeting
that started with the Northern EE leaders and we're just
debating about whether I moved because otherwise that we're going
to hear the show the side of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Oh so I thought you were going to say you're
here for a meeting at eight o'clock, but no one
showed up yet.

Speaker 20 (01:01:21):
No, no, no, it's a full meeting. But yeah, I'm
just worried about No, I'm not in any here eyeball.
So it means that I'm not disturbing the breakfast too much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Okay, good stuff, Ginny. As regards Wellington and twenty five percent,
I mean that's for a lot of people you know,
significantly material, not just material, but significantly material, and a
lot of people have their savings and houses. Of course,
what's gone wrong with Wellington? Do you think for that
to happen?

Speaker 9 (01:01:46):
Well that central sort of city feeling is that it's
just had the guards kicked out of it, so that
it wasn't just the public service, but it was all
of the local economy went down when those jobs got cut,
and it's dragged everything down further and that's had a
real impact on confidence in the local economy and must be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Longer than that, because this is from twenty twenty. I
can't remember twenty twenty one to twenty two. Someone on there.

Speaker 9 (01:02:10):
There is a little that the public service cuts make
a big difference. And these people in the Hut Valley
and out in all, how do you all those people
have either jobs associated with the public service or they're
selling a service or doing a doing a thing that
relies on those incomes. So it has a twelvefold impact
in Wellington when you see big, big kicks like that.

(01:02:31):
But the kicker is for those people who bought at
the peak of the market when they paid quite a
bit for a home and now it's worth quite a
bit less in that, so they've got a big mortgage
rate and the asset is now worth less than what
they pay.

Speaker 20 (01:02:44):
But Jinny, do you understand that what you guys did,
and I think it's cruel. You were on a massive
hiring spree. You bloated the government. As a country, we
can't afford. It is awful when you have to make cuts.
Those are tough decisions, but the fact of the matter
is you put us on a fast track to a
third world country and there had to be changes. So
I just I just find it amazing that you're still

(01:03:05):
let You're saying that you wouldn't have made any cuts.

Speaker 9 (01:03:07):
Well, I'll respond to that. I worked as a public
student the last time National was in government and they
did the same thing. They cut everybody back. And what
happens about now in the mark from now on is
that when the government has big projects that they need
to deliver and all those people with institutional knowledge had
even been fired or left.

Speaker 10 (01:03:27):
Finished.

Speaker 9 (01:03:27):
Pa, let me finish. We have something called consultants who
come in at approximately three to five hundred dollars an hour,
and that's what will go up now under your government
is the cost of consultants as you try to get
projects finished, and there's no public servants.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Before just before I leave before until this descend let's
not have a descendity Tory fun Now. Speaking of Wellington Ginny,
she said, I thought it was interesting you should serve
a term as a counselor before you're a leader. Is
that in general? Is that good advice? In your experience?
Do you reckon well?

Speaker 9 (01:04:00):
I think it's important to know how local government works.
I don't think EF Brian would have the ability to
serve as a counselor, but I think understanding how your
local government works is incredibly important to being a good representative.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
It'll be wide well. I mean your path through the
public service, for example, before you went into parliament. That
must have stood you in reasonable stead, mustn't it, as
opposed to just coming in cold and going I wonder
how this works.

Speaker 9 (01:04:21):
I think understanding the mechanics of government is incredibly important,
and that's what a lot of people are missing. They
come straight in and expect to make big decisions without
actually knowing what the spillover effects are, and we're definitely
seeing that with THEO.

Speaker 20 (01:04:36):
I think the best thing that you can bring to
public service is life experience, and I think that Jenny's
was in P and HQ, that's cooled.

Speaker 10 (01:04:42):
Mine was on the front line.

Speaker 20 (01:04:43):
I think you actually have to be in touch with
what people need and what they require from government to
be able to.

Speaker 9 (01:04:49):
Deliver with it was a bit more than just PN HQ. Mark.
I've been around for a wee bit longer than that,
so I've also been a negotiator for the Office of
Treaty Settlements. I've also worked for jud Collins and helped
your advise.

Speaker 10 (01:04:58):
On the caps Edith calling to her, I advise you
keep claiming.

Speaker 9 (01:05:05):
That I was in her office. I didn't say office.

Speaker 10 (01:05:09):
Judith hates it when Jenny says that loves it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Mark, did you did you have you got one of
those cvs Jinny that says I worked for Judith Collins.
If I looked at your c V.

Speaker 9 (01:05:18):
I got nickname. I got the crush in that name.

Speaker 10 (01:05:21):
She she goes trumping and she worked for Judith.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
So hold on here, Jimmy, so you're the original crusher.
You're claiming you're the original crusher as well.

Speaker 10 (01:05:28):
I did so.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
You were crushing Jenny before she was crushing Collins, and
you worked in your office despite the fact, she says
she didn't.

Speaker 9 (01:05:35):
They were like, we want to crush cards and we
don't know how to do it, and we're like, my goodness.

Speaker 10 (01:05:39):
Jenny, Jenny, Jenny's a crush of dreams and jews of cars.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Brief break more on the moment thirteen past eight The.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Be sixteen past eight Politics Wednesday, Jinny Anderson, Mark Mitchell Withers, Ginny,
you won't like the but I've done some research during
the ad break, But you bloated the public service. And
when Jacinda came to power, remember you Cinder, your consultant
bill was five hundred and fifty million. By the time
she left it was one point twenty seven billion, So
you bloated the public service. Plus you hired the consultant,

(01:06:14):
so you can't possibly defend that.

Speaker 10 (01:06:16):
Yeah, well, you've.

Speaker 9 (01:06:17):
Also had a global pandemic happening in that period. Mic.
The consultants, they well, when you had to try and
roll out of vaccine and get everyone up running, you sept.
The bill did go up, but I will say that
I got cut way back under national to the point
where it's be a bone, so a bit of that building.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Back any money. We haven't got any money, Markey. You
Mark in cabinet about the tax cuts, tell us all
about those.

Speaker 20 (01:06:42):
No, there's been no discussions. Well, we don't discuss what
happens in can it. But that's obviously Nicholas going to
be looking at all options because the reality is you
all added the last initial government. Under the last initial government,
we were constantly lorded from being a rock star economy. Well,
and that's we're taking us and we're taking ourselves back.
We've got a messive hang over things to you guys,

(01:07:04):
but we're moving in the right.

Speaker 9 (01:07:05):
Direction, driving it deeper into the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
To me, absolutely not, do you think Mark. We had
Rod Duke on from Briscoes earlier on this morning and
he reflected, interestingly, a lot of what's being said to
me privately from leading business people, as much as they
may back you or not as much as they may
wish you well in doing what you're trying to do
the economy. You're not doing enough, you're not going hard enough,
and you better get on with it fast or is

(01:07:28):
you're going to get punished. And I can cite yesterday's
pole that sort of seems to confirm there.

Speaker 20 (01:07:32):
Look, and that's why this year the Prominence has been
very clear that it's the top priority for us in
terms of unleashing economic growth so that all New Zealanders
can get ahead again, you know. And there's a big
plan and that's been rolled out. Were fast treking projects
for economic significance. We're pursuing trade and investment, We're getting
rid of red tape, We're making sure people have the
skills they need to succeed.

Speaker 10 (01:07:52):
So there's going to be a that is a massive
focus for us this year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
The pole, ginny, funnily enough, has you, guys. There's been
two poles by the same people, the people who poll
for you, but you're in government now.

Speaker 9 (01:08:03):
The first one wasn't us. I don't think the first
one was curier curios.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Correct. So both poles have you. They didn't have you
in government. This one does, but they have you in
government with the Mary Party. Don't the Marry Party freak
you out? At some point You've got to get freaked
out about them, don't you.

Speaker 9 (01:08:20):
Well, they don't freak me out as much as the
police presence here because David Seymour's here. So I think
David Seymore is a greater risk to national security right
now than a ridiculous state.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Why can't why can't you go to a treaty ground
in this country or any ground for that matter, and
just just deal with David Seymour as a human being
who might have a different opinion from you. Why do
you have to go?

Speaker 20 (01:08:43):
I think that's a good point and the approach it's
been taken up for you too, by the way, and
I have to do a massive shout out to the Trust.

Speaker 9 (01:08:49):
Well, apart from Minister hasn't fronted up Mark, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Not fronting up either. We're all having a day off to.

Speaker 10 (01:08:59):
Today. The price is going to be with them today
should get real.

Speaker 9 (01:09:06):
But today isn't why Tony Day. Today is the political
por forty. There's absolutely no reason why I couldn't have
gone today and then gone to why Tony Ku and tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (01:09:15):
The reality is, might I agree with You've got the
Merry Party coming.

Speaker 20 (01:09:18):
Out and saying that they're going to put an all
powerful commissioner over the top of a democratically elected prime
minister and it's going to be labor who's that they're
going to be partners.

Speaker 10 (01:09:27):
Who's going to have to explain it.

Speaker 9 (01:09:31):
I think you are stid of drumming that up away,
bat Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
I think that a regular commissioner who does nothing apart
from put out press releases, or is it a commissioner
with power? And if it is with power, you got trouble, Jenny,
because you wouldn't want that, would you.

Speaker 9 (01:09:43):
Well, there's no detail because they even't announced that, and
they're their own party and they're entitled to have their views,
but there's absolutely no detail as to how that would
work right now.

Speaker 20 (01:09:51):
So they'll be your partner in government. So you're going
to have to figure that one out, Jenny.

Speaker 9 (01:09:54):
Will have to wait and see if that happens. As
you say, when we ask you about stupid things that
David Seymour wants to.

Speaker 10 (01:10:01):
Are you yes? I am.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Have you had it fun so far? Was it a
nice one? I mean, it's a beautiful place to be
apart from anything else, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:10:09):
It is starting place.

Speaker 9 (01:10:11):
Yeah, we've had some lovely visits. We went out to
and visit in the last couple of days and we
met with all the kids who are doing the Waker
Arma and it's been really lovely, good experience.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Cool. What about you make yes?

Speaker 13 (01:10:25):
Same.

Speaker 20 (01:10:25):
I mean, yesterday we did a tour around the north
so big shout out for calvity caves where the glow
whimsor honestly, if you get a chance to go and
visit the do it. It is an outstanding experience. You've
got Nafta Springs, big investment in there. That's the outstanding.
Of course, the footprints of Coupe Over and the hok
So I visited those three locations yesterday.

Speaker 10 (01:10:45):
I met with the locals, you know, and there's so
much to do up here. I mean, Northland is just
such a true Is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
It possible mark that given this meeting you're holding at
the moment in you and not actually part of it,
that you don't need to be at the meeting.

Speaker 10 (01:11:00):
Of a bit of a bit of a bit to
go join the meeting. So see what I bring to it.
Take you.

Speaker 9 (01:11:05):
We saw a housing too, We saw Nazi Jenny's done
their own housing so under us whole big social housing
and that's just nearly finishing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Will they all poll worth two and a half million dollars?

Speaker 9 (01:11:15):
No, there was a big mixture of one twos threes.
But there's a big housing shortage up here and they
need more and it's a shame that they're not building
more under this cuvery.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Have a good day to I appreciate it very much.
Thee Next week, Jenny Anderson, Mark metroll A twenty two.

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Speaker 10 (01:12:24):
You do it?

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You d ui kitchens that do it for you at
you doo it dot co dot nz aasking like I'm
thirty two, never into politics, but politics Wednesday is one
of my favorite parts of the week. I hate Jinny,
but I love her at the same time. And Mark
just laughs half the time but has a lot of
common sense. Keep those two on for as long as

(01:12:47):
you can, Mike, why didn't you ask Jinny about the
food and schools in her Postnard? That Carolyn, that was
Jantinetti and the hamburger wasn't Jinny? It with Jantinet who
posted the hamburger, and the hamburger turned out to be from, unfortunately,
the Labour administry, so she had to delete that tweet
fairly fast. I watched a press conference yesterday. It was
with a woman called Joe Halen. If you've listened all week,

(01:13:07):
you'll know that I've been on. She was the woman
who hired the ministerial driver in car and took her
friends to the Hunter of Alley for some wines and
then the Plorod driver worked about thirteen hours. Turns out
that there might have been a second trip, and indeed
there was. Turns out might have been that the driver
came and had to pick up her kids to take
them to school sport on Saturday. And all the while
I asked this week, how is it possible this woman

(01:13:27):
hasn't been sacked? And still she wasn't sacked, and in
that is a kind of a story. Yesterday she did, though,
fall in her sword by resigning, so she might well
have either come to her own conclusion or maybe she
was forced to resign, but nevertheless she's gone. But the
story itself go some way to explaining just how fantastically
stupid and out of touch some folks are. So we'll

(01:13:51):
have more on that with Steve Price, who will be
with us right after the News, which is next here
at news Talk.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Said the only report you need to start your day
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Others can't use togsadv bit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Of motivating us. Louis Sharp, who's a young man who
we've had on the program before it what is he now?
For fourteen fifty seventeen now I think when we first
had him on he was fourteen. Anyways, been over and
Britain racing. He's a champion of the future. But there's
this big Race of Champions which is coming up in
Sydney in early March, and this is a major where

(01:14:33):
some of the all sorts of forms of motor racing.
They will race in the same cars against each other,
but they come from different forms of motor racing. This
year Sebastian Vettles there, Vultery Botas, Sebastian Low, Mic Schumacher,
Travis Pastrana, Hayden Padden as we had on the program
just before Christmas. He's representing New Zealand and also representing
New Zealand will be Louis Sharp. Their significance of Louis

(01:14:54):
Sharp is he will be the youngest driver ever to
compete at the Race of Champions. The previous youngers was
somebody called Lando Norris, twenty ten minutes away from mine.

Speaker 15 (01:15:04):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business and then.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Australia A good friend Steel, that's very good morning to you,
good adad. So I watched yesterday Joe Halen and I
do reiterate. I found it astonishing that when we talked
about it Monday, she wasn't gone by about three minutes
after that time. And yet she survived several more days
until even more travel came out and she finally fell
on his sword. What's the problem with Men's Is he

(01:15:31):
spineless or something?

Speaker 14 (01:15:33):
Well, he's had a good run, and it really does,
I must say, disappoint me because I rate him. In
the South Australian Premier Valanowska says, moderate labor leaders the
type that we used to have like Bob Ork for example,
and Chris Mins through COVID was sensible. He was very
sensible and has been during this rise of anti Semitism

(01:15:54):
in New South Wales. And yet there he goes trying
to protect someone who should have put her hand up
and said, look there's.

Speaker 10 (01:16:03):
More to this.

Speaker 14 (01:16:04):
I mean, what's the first thing you do to a
staff member you know has done something wrong? You say,
is this all the information? I know everything? And if
the answer to that is yes, And then it turns
out that oh, I know she'd been off with a
picnic in the Blue Mountains as well as the boozy
Hunting Valley drive. And then she's caught taking her kid

(01:16:24):
from the beach house to Sydney to play soccer school
sport on a Saturday. I mean how she thought she
was going to avoid that. But the big big question
here and the problem for the state labor government, but
also labor generally. They always talk about being the party
of the worker, and yet these drivers were treated appallingly

(01:16:45):
by this Transport minister who claims, oh, well, it's not
easy being a mother and a politician. Well, lots of
people have hard jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
And that's where she went to. I mean she went
wrong from the start, this mother politician thing. She didn't
seem to have a problem at the vineyard. It only
became complicated when it involved a kid's sport. I mean,
you know you can't have it both ways, can you.

Speaker 14 (01:17:10):
No, you can't. And no one's going to regret her
being out of the ministry. And I can't understand why
the other ministry was also at the boozy lunch has
still got.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Her job one exactly. So business they're thrilled with the
government over this renewal plan.

Speaker 14 (01:17:25):
No, I mean, I think the chickens are coming under
roost to here. I mean Australia has labor as an
eighty two percent renewable target by twenty thirty. Now, when
that was first announced a couple of years back, you thought, oh,
twenty thirty is a long way away. It's now twenty
twenty five and we're trying to get to have all

(01:17:49):
eighty two percent of our energy delivered by wind and solar,
with some gas as well for peaking, and people just
realize we're not going to get there. So you've got
people like Infrastructure in South Wales boss saying this is impossible,

(01:18:09):
We're not going to make it. And so what does
Chris Bow and the Energy Minister do. He comes and says, oh, well,
it's not surprising the coal lobby wants to sell more
coal and the gas lobby wants to sell more gas.
Was not just them, it's the entire hospitality industry has
also come out and said you can't do this to us.
You're just going to shut businesses down. And so we're

(01:18:30):
headed to an election and there is a real energy
debate that's going to go on. Obviously you've got the
nuclear option from the opposition, but eighty two percent by
twenty thirty, no one believes that's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
No, exactly. Well, we have the same problem here and
we're luckier than you in the sense of a lot
of our stuff's renewable with rain and hydro and stuff
like that. I was watching the parliament, Theustrainian Parliament yesterday
and the build up to it, the lunch thing that
the Coalition have come up with. You know, you go
up for your business lunch a but deductible and have
a sandwich and all that sort of stuff. I get
the policy because we've had it here and start, but

(01:19:03):
is that a excuse the punt of free lunch for
labor to go? You know, we can't afford it and
this is just the rich end of town cashing in.

Speaker 14 (01:19:11):
Well that's the argument they're trying to make, but it's
a false argument. I mean, this is for small businesses.
Turnover is I think, off the top of my head
top amount is ten million dollars. So they're small businesses.

Speaker 11 (01:19:25):
And this is the.

Speaker 14 (01:19:25):
Opposition pointing policy straight at the middle suburban Melbourne and
Sydney and saying look, we're going to help out the
hospitality industry and they're all for this obviously, and we're
also allowing small businesses to have a tax deduction. Now,
there was wild figures thrown around yesterday about what this
would cost the budget. I mean, I think the opposition

(01:19:48):
is saying something like two hundred million a year, But
the governments come out with some treasury costing saying to
be one point six billion and ten billion over whatever.
But it allows the government to make that argument about
the beg end of the town's going to be able
to go out and booze up at lunch, which is
what came up in question time, and yet workers are

(01:20:09):
not getting pay rises. Well it's not the beginning of town.
As the opposition pointed out. If you run Quantas or
you run any other multinational company, you can have a boardroom, luncheon,
self catered in house and all of those figure accounting firms.
I'm sure you've been doing. I haven't been to some
of these events. You're on the forty fifth floor looking

(01:20:31):
at Sydney Harbor eating fagra and that can be claimed
as a business expense. And yet a little bloke who
runs a panel shop out in western Sydney wants to
take two of his tire providers out for a stake
at the local pub cart. I mean, there isn't inequity there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Exactly, Sam Kerr. We played the audio on the show yesterday.
Stupid and white. I mean, she shouldn't go around kicking
taxi windows and she shouldn't be pisted in public and
all that stuff. But you also shouldn't be in court,
should she, because I mean the courts have got better things.

Speaker 14 (01:21:03):
To do, probably, But look, Australia's divided on this. I
mean you're either a massive supporter of Sam Kerr and said,
oh well, she got drunk as you just pointed out,
and shouldn't be doing what she's doing. I mean, let's
point out that she vomited in the taxi then started
kicking the You know, in those London cabs they have
that perspex protection around the drive. Her and inmates started

(01:21:25):
kicking that and then they thought they'd been kidnapped, which
is ridiculous. She kicked out the back window of the
whole cab and the cab driver was taking them to
the police station because he rang the coppers and they
said come here and we'll sort it out. So he
wasn't kidnapping anybody. It's an ugly look and to throw
in the word white as she did, you are stupid

(01:21:47):
and white. It just goes to this whole argument that
we've been going through for years now about tossing around
racial terms at will. Now, if you reversed this and
it was a white, well known soccer player calling the
police officer stupid and black, what do you think you'd happen?

Speaker 10 (01:22:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
The other thing about that, though, is they weren't exactly
forthcoming with the detail given this happened a while back,
and sort of it was kind of kept under wraps,
and it looks a bit embarrassing now, doesn't it.

Speaker 14 (01:22:21):
Yeah, and it's been revealed in court today. In this
court case, by the way, it still going on, so
we should use the word allegedly and throw it in
there some way. It's been revealed that Samka actually went
back to the police station at a pre arranged interview
time of ten thirty the next night and sat down
quite calmly. Nothing recorded on video, but the audio was

(01:22:42):
recorded where she was very apologetic and said, look, I
shouldn't have done it. I was intoxicated. I don't remember
calling him white. I mean, your original point is probably
one hundred percent correct that Why the hell has this
ended up in court? Well, it's ended up in court
because of two things. They're using the word white and
the fact that she plays for Chelsea and is probably

(01:23:02):
the best known female soccer star in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Exactly. You have a good weekend, mate. We'll see you
next week. Steve Price, out of Australia already fourteen two.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
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Speaker 14 (01:23:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
In Politics Wednesday, I was frustrated by Bonnie Prince Billy,
the album that we played a part of. I told
you how many tracks there were, but there was no
timings on those tracks there. I couldn't tell you how
long the album was. And I've become famous all over
the world for this because I'm the only one who
does it, and it seems remarkable to think that that
is true. So I had glean listened to the whole
album just off here, and I ran to stop and

(01:23:40):
ran to stop. Watter finished and forty three minutes and
thirty five seconds. Isn't forty three minutes and thirty five seconds.
Oldest woman in the World's died overnight, which is interesting
because she's not the official oldest woman in the world.
I'll come to that in the moment. Her name is
Lynn was Lynn Shemu. She passed away peacefully and asleep
jen one. So the news has only just come out
of China. She was born June eighteen, nineteen oh two.

(01:24:04):
She would have been one hundred and twenty two years
old one hundred and ninety seven days. Theodore Roosevelt was
a president when she was alive, she would have been ten.
With the Titanic sunk. She was a mother of seven,
and apart from losing her eyesight due to old age,
she entered it both legs and to fall. Apart from that,
she suffered no other illness her entire life. Was able

(01:24:24):
to take care of herself her whole life, sharp sense
of hearing, good appetite. She would have outlived Jean Kelmut,
who was recognized as the oldest person in the world
by thirty three days. She would often tell her children
there is no obstacle in life that cannot be overcome.
Words to live by secret to her longevity, because that

(01:24:47):
this is the part, This is the part, Sarah, when
I get to when I get to that age, and
they go and Mike, and I'm on one News and
they go on Mike, and you go turmeric coffee. I'll
go pess off. Stop asking me that question, always grumpy.
Exactly the secret to her say bourbon, Say bourbon. Well

(01:25:11):
you're not far wrong being able to eat, sleep, and drink. Yeah, baby,
there you go. So the Gerontology Research Group oldest person
alive today is considered to be a Brazilian nun called Lucas. No,
it's Ena Lucas at one hundred and sixteen. Then there's
the Gan. Anyway, if her records are right and they've

(01:25:33):
got a card, she would have been the oldest woman
at one hundred and twenty two years old. It's a
good on here. Nine minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Dead be Mike. I believe there were a number of
red flags regarding TJ over the year or so before,
as he increasingly became outspoken on the issues he was
polarized about. Not surprised it happened, and I believe the
impact on the all Blacks will be much greater than
many appreciate. Meantime, TJ skips the country and makes millions
for himself, leaving it all behind. That was the Maybo TJ.
Couldn't care couldn't care less. He's gone, he's done. But

(01:26:04):
yet again, you know, there are certain organizations that just
don't seem to be able to operate in the modern
world in a way that we find acceptable. And it's
made worse, of course by the fact that it's the
national sport. They're sort of the Wellington City Council of sport,
aren't they. At the end of the day, they're just
it's inept, they're bumbling. It doesn't seem to work very well.

(01:26:25):
They never available to defend themselves or explain themselves, and
they somehow live in this castle where they think they're
back in nineteen eighty three and we're all enamored with
them and rugby's all that counts, and it's the only
sport in town and they're untouchable, and it's just bollocks.
Five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Trending now quits warehouse, the real house of fragrances.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Superhero movie time. So Ever since Pedro Pascal was hinted
to be the lead, fans and I include myself here,
have been waiting to see what the new Fantastic Four
movie would look like. So the comics are considered to
be right at the top of stan Lee's work, and
yet it's never been adapted very well into a movie.
Don't you think, Sam writes this crack.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
I was just gonna say, you're always You're always happing
on about.

Speaker 8 (01:27:16):
This to me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Don't I beg on about Stanley and the fantastic Just
you wave the comics in front of me. He look
at this. This is a masterpiece anyway, fantastic four first
steps are minus five.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Before we went up the first time, you couldn't turn invisible.
Ben wasn't a rock, the best pilot in the world
right here, Yeah, that's looking him in and Johnny never
caught fire. Ben has always been a rock.

Speaker 16 (01:27:52):
Johnny is Johnny.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
I am right here. The life throws at us.

Speaker 11 (01:28:03):
Listened together.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
As a family, apart from the fact that made literally
no sense. Pedro Pascal is mister Fantastic. Vanessa Kirby is
Sue Storm? Was that Vanessa speaking yes, your beautiful voice?
Joseph Quinn who was gladiated too, of course, as Johnny
Storm and Bingram of the Bear Fame, he is the thing,

(01:28:28):
the thing. It's expected this movie will set up the
new villain for phase five of Marvel. You want to
go across the road for coffee and talk some more
about that, Lint.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Yes, gather up your comic your little comic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Books, and it's about July twenty five. Important programming note,
we will be here Friday, No excuses, Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
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