Full Show Podcast: 05 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New Zealand's voice of reason is Mike the Mic asking
breakfast with the range Rover.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
The la designed to intrigue and use Tog's head be.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Well, you're welcome today we're inter key to work out
what they do next. Now the States have hit pause.
New reports suggest gangs run prisons and we might need
to split the populations gangs and non gangs. Winston Pleter's
on the Fairies and the Chinese and the Pacific. Mark
and Jenny talk Marmite sandwiches. Richard Arnold ahead of the
Trump speech tonight, Steve Price on Cyclone watching Queensland, Pasky,
Welcome to the day, seven past six. What we got yesterday,

(00:31):
by the way from the Prime Minister was I think
the sort of approach large numbers of large numbers of
us actually want to see more of. Having spent the
previous week being endlessly lampooned for his performance on the show,
refusing to deal with the word sack and yes, as
regards Andrew Bailey, what came out yesterday was an asseritive
effort to actually stand some ground and bat away some nonsense.
The maker Marmite sandwich line was picked up and run

(00:53):
with all day by the media. Of course, stuff even
got together a pole the results when I last look
well and truly had the PM on the right side
of the public's thing. Guess what, there is nothing wrong
with the sandwich and dubtailed in with the sandwich example
as the inference. We are sick of the moaning worryingly
and this is a bit of a trait. Up until
his appearance yesterday, he had been answering the Seamour lunch

(01:14):
questions with the acceptance from the question line that there
might actually be a problem with the lunch. As he
was telling a Seamour was all over it. He would
solve it. You see, you only solve something if there's
something to solve. Now, my argument has been once we
got the delivery time sorted, which granted needed sorting, the
rest of the airtime was merely an orchestrated pylon by
those determined to score cheap points at the expense of

(01:35):
hungry kids. As unfashionable as it may be, lunch in
my school life has never actually been a problem. Lunch
was never hot and really fresh and I doubt overly nutritious.
It was grab and run. We were into sport. Lunch
got in the way. Many times we didn't eat it
because it took too long or it was yuck. We
dumped it so we wouldn't get into trouble at home.
And you know what happened if we forgot to dump it,

(01:57):
It was tomorrow's serving. You didn't make that mistake too often.
If you didn't like what mum made, you made it yourself,
which of course you didn't. Once in a blue moon
you had a pie or a Boston bun. These days,
that's a headline from some union lovey worried about calories. Yes,
the world has changed, but not that dramatically. A sandwich
in an apple is still a thing. It's still real,

(02:18):
it's still relevant. The Prime Minister reminded us of that,
and in doing so positioned himself nicely with the vast
majority of us who are sick and tired of the
professional moaning class, propped up by a compliant clickbait driven media.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Who news of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
So Americas had paused, So what do we have the
end or a tactic to sign the mineral's deal. JDS
piling on the pressure, the.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
President is trying to send a very explicit message the
Ukrainians have got to come to the table and start
negotiating with President Trump.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Russians can't believe they're luck.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Of course, details are yet to be learned, but if
it's true, it's a decision that could push the key
regime towards a peace process. This obvious that the US
has been the chief supply in this war so far.
If the US suspends these supplies, it will make the
best contribution to peace.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
Now.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
The weapons thing, though, might not be Ukraine's worst issue.

Speaker 7 (03:09):
If the pause expanded to include intelligence sharing and the
provision of Starlink communications. If that happened, then the impact
would be immediate, felt within hours and days rather than weeks.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
In the other war. Israel has stopped the humanitarian ators
we told you on the programme yesterday into Gaza because
Hamas won't talk Phase two so into the UI when he.

Speaker 8 (03:32):
Led the elections, including settlement, expansion and sets of annexation.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Must stop. The texts and mounting.

Speaker 9 (03:39):
Violence must end. Israel as the occupying power, must comply
with all its obligations and an international.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Law from the terrifile. The markets tanking as we speak,
because for some reason there was second guessing Trump China's
having none of that retaliations on its way, and Mexico
they've joined that line.

Speaker 10 (03:58):
We have therefore decided to respond with tariff and non
tariff measures, which I should announce publicly next Sunday. It
is in no way our purpose to initiate an economics
or commercial confrontation.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
When she says next Sunday, she means this Sunday. Of course,
Canada's just piled in as well, to give you details
on that in the moment. Then in Britain, the Chancellor
she's been visiting businesses talking about jobs. A lot of
them asked to why there are so many people on
jobs seeker doing nothing.

Speaker 11 (04:22):
It is a stain on our country that we are
allowing a million people, at what should be the best
time of their life to get skills, to make friendships,
to build their confidence, that instead they're sitting at home
doing often nothing.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Does she notice that she's actually running the country, She's
in charge of it. Finally reviving the wooly mammoth update.
Those are the Della's company, Colossal Biosciences. They've genetically engineered
a mouse that can grow. It's here three times longer
than normal and has several wooly mammoth like traits. They
fuse DNA between a mouse in an Asian elephant in

(04:59):
the hope to find out animals like the mammoth adaptic
cold climates. Don't get too excited. Don't worry. I wasn't it.
We are, they say, still a way away from actually
bringing a mammoth back. He's the world in ninety seconds
year Mexico this Sunday. The dows down six or seven
hundred will get you to that in a moment. China's
going fifteen percent as of March ten. Zelenski, in the

(05:22):
last hour has caved. He regrets the White House row.
He's ready to work under Donald Trump's strong leadership. So
tactic worked. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
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Speaker 2 (05:41):
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Speaker 3 (05:44):
Mike Richard Prebble's resignation. Very interesting spot on probably my
story of the day. We'll come to that later on
Vanderlinsmen flat out overnight. She's looking to raise massively boost
to spen spending. She's talking about a trillion and a
half more dollars, including h fifty billion euro loans that
member states can access to invest in what she's calling
pan European Capability domain. So they're they're in panic mode

(06:07):
as well. Fifteen past six, we'll get to the down
on the moment. I meantime, Andrew calla hurt good morning,
very good morning, Mike day am I wealth. It's sort
of under his neighbors on the deiry this morning. I
can find a couple of good things and a couple
of things that have gone down. So it's sort of
flat over all, wasn't it.

Speaker 8 (06:23):
Yeah, So you quick catch upon the Global Dairy Trade
auction overnight the price index Global Dairy Trade Price, and
it's fallen zero point five percent, so small replacement that
follows the zero point six percent fall of the last auction.
But to give you some context that you go to
twenty one January, four February. Before that, you had a
one point four percent game three point seven percent game lot.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
We're seeing a.

Speaker 8 (06:45):
Steadying Yeah, the product level skill milk powder lifted point
six percent but is still going strong another two point
seven percent, big jump in Motzarella seven point nine percent
gain their important commody, Mike Hole milk powder it's fallen
two point two percent has fallen. A couple of auctions
in a row, but not a trend yet. Over the
next few hours will see some of the detail and bidding.
You know, where did the Chinese sit? Chinese bids sitting

(07:07):
that I would say, steady, she goes. I think you've
got to You've actually got to talk about context here, Mike.
This is not an easy last twenty four hours to
have an auction, and you've got a global risk off storm,
so that will take pretty much everything. You come out
with a zero point six percent or zero point five
percent fall. I think that's probably not about outcoming right.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Canada's in Mexicos in China's having none of it. It's
all on, Oh.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Gosh, where do you start?

Speaker 8 (07:30):
So the tariffs are here, the battle lines are drawn.
We talked yesterday morning after we spoke uish share markets
slump and overnight China, Canada, Mexico, they're all heading back
in various ways of mean before we sort of go on.

Speaker 12 (07:41):
Mi.

Speaker 8 (07:41):
I just in a commentary yesterday, I've described US policy
and administration strategy moment feeling. I used the word dynamic
and fluid.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
You could use chaotic.

Speaker 8 (07:52):
That would describe it sometimes, but I just want to
say policy discovery sort of by tweet over social media
with little detail, I think really runs the risk of
sowing confusion, uncertainty, and I believe that in the fullness
of time, there's a real risk that this sort of
modus operandi will be counterproductive for the Trump administration because

(08:13):
you think about a fireman and Wyoming, a primary school
teacher in Fresno, and a steel worker in Detroit. This
is unsettling, and things like inflation, expectations, consumer sentiment, they're
going to get turned that they're going to change, and
they're going to be quite difficult to turn around. So yeah,
but anyway, share markets slump.

Speaker 13 (08:30):
Yesterday.

Speaker 8 (08:31):
We did see a rally in future trading during our
time zone that was a little hopeful. The weakness has
now continued, one and a half percent fall Underdale Jones.
What are we talking? One point three percent down, the
S and P five hundred, the Nasdaq down about point
eight percent, and Nasdaq's been a big lose this year.
We're seeing in Nvidia Taza they're looking particularly weak. I
want to make the comment here, Mike. The market had

(08:52):
assumed that the share market would be seen by sort
of President Trump as one barometer of his success. So
this is con except of a Trump put you know,
at what point does he go, Oh, the share market's
gone too far. What we found out in the last
twenty four hours is that hasn't kicked in yet, so.

Speaker 6 (09:09):
It's a little bit lower.

Speaker 8 (09:10):
Where Trump is winning is in the interest rate market,
because US long term inistrates have fallen. That benchmark US
long term rate, the tenure Treasury rate that back in
January was at four point eight percent four point one
three percent overnight significant, rarely the problem, Mike. It's falling
because markets are worried about US growth. So we've got
a slew of economists and analysts, you know, working out

(09:32):
the potentially inflation impact of tariff's. It'll push inflation up
at the same time depressed growth. The severity of all that, though,
depends very much on the duration. So it is a
bit of a dangerous game, a high stakes game. Have
we talked about the impact on New Zealand. We haven't
talked about that, have we? It is exactly That's the thing.
We've got no idea at this point. I don't think

(09:55):
there's a lot of point in speculating because if you
go to chaos theory, Mic April seconds it's just too
far away. You can't seek and guess Trump with any
degree of certainty over that time period.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Now you can't give me the numbers.

Speaker 8 (10:07):
Sure well, the dal Jones is down, as I said,
around one and a half percent, six hundred and thirty
six points. That's a pretty bad day for twenty twenty
five forty two thousand, five hundred and forty six. The
S and P five hundred down seventy four points five
seven seven five one hundred quarter. The Na's it's actually
recovering it, but it was down more earlier on. It's
down point eight percent at the moment one hundred and

(10:28):
forty points eighteen thousand, two hundred and eleven overnight was
pretty weak.

Speaker 6 (10:34):
In Europe.

Speaker 8 (10:34):
The foots one hundred down one point three five eight
seven five one.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
The NIKA lost four hundred.

Speaker 8 (10:39):
And fifty four points one point two thirty seven thousand,
three hundred and thirty one, but the Shangha composite it
gained seven points three three two four. The Aussies yesterday,
the ASEX two hundred eight one nine eight down forty
eight points point five eight percent. The insects fifty lost
point sixty four of a percent. That's eighty points twelve thousand,
four hundred and sixteen n KeyWe holding steady at the moment,

(11:02):
point five to sixty one nine on the wholesale markets
against the US, against the Aussie point nine oh four
five point five three three four Euro point four four
one five pounds eighty three point six four Japanese end
gold obviously safe haven trades gone back up twenty nine
hundred and thirteen dollars and Brent crude mic seventy dollars
and fifty three cents. Hello, if you convert that to

(11:26):
New Zealand dollars, it's sort of sort of sitting just
above one hundred and twenty New Zealand dollars. These are
real support levels, so we're starting to see oil respond
to potentially weaker growth as well. Important levels though around
here it goes there could fall quite a bit further.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Good stuff. That's why we got you here, Andrew Kellahojmiwealth
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get the high quality information port a tower on. They
should have told you this yesterday, but I had other
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forty seven. They're saying all the right things. Volumes are
up and contain a volumes and cruise ships and all
that stuff. So well done them. PAMU, which once upon

(12:01):
a time is called land Corp. That's the state owned farm.
They're doing well too. Normally they lose money. This time
they're making money. So we'll take all of that and more.
Six twenty one. Here a news talk.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
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Speaker 3 (12:23):
Get the fun of detail with Steve after eight thirty.
But we're watching Elfred today. It barrels towards the southern
part of Queensland and the northern part of New South Wales.
I've got a niece in that part of the wild University.
They were sandbagging yesterday and they all got told to
go down to the supermarket and you know what they
found there? Nothing. So there is some consternation that Elbow
was going to call the electionless Sunday, but the optics
don't look good. Of Queensland and northern New South Wales

(12:46):
are underwater when he does it, so they're a bit
angsty about that at the moment. Meantime, here's Trudeau, no it's.

Speaker 14 (12:50):
Not in my habit to agree with the Wall Street Journal.
But Donald, they point out that even though you're a
very smart guy, this is a very dumb thing to do.
We two friends fighting is exactly what our opponents around
the world want to see.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
You made are not unreasonable, just one of them.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
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Speaker 3 (13:22):
You can do them all. Just take your time, not
all at once. Don't get carried away. We got a woman,
we got a cop, and we got his body. Camp.
So this is eighteen year old Ellalina Fabianski. She was
very mad at a boyfriend over in a liege one
thousand dollars dit. So she decided to wig and spray
painter's car. Unfortunately she's not very bright. She spray painted

(13:43):
the neighbors car. That's when they called the cops.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Start start, shut your car off. Not just mright to
be shugging down some four locos and we've been driving
a car.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
This one's not involved.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
But she has yellows free paint from head to tee
have a seat, have a seat, and she threw all
of her dope over here. You really need to try
harder to try to be sneaky because you are god awful.
You got a spree paint of the wrong damn car. Yeah,
it's that neighbor's car.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
I love that guy. He's my favorite cop. Tariffs. What's
going to get more expensive? And Andrews one hundred percent right,
and I'll give you a pole numbers. People in America
are worried about this.

Speaker 12 (14:35):
Now.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Trump did say, you know, they might be a little
bit of touch and go here, but cars they're going
to go up by about three thousand dollars. Be a
whiskey and tequila, you know. Were all that comes from
prices going up. Our houses price will go up, maple syrup.
They can probably live without fuel. Prices are going to
go up in the price of avocados. And Americans love guack,
so you know when you hit them in the back pocket,

(14:56):
then all the food bowl. You know you've got trouble.
So it's going to be fascinated to all of us.
Richard Arnold, though shortly for.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
You, the Mike hast games been faithful, then gaging and
vitally the Mic Hosking breakfast with Bailey's real Estate finding
the buyers. Others can't use Tom's d v.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I think he is quite a bit going on for
Elbert at the moment. He is due, as I was saying,
to call the election this coming Sunday, travel at the
Governor General's house, but the optics look dreadful given what's
happened otherwise in southern Queensland, northern New South Wales. So
that's and it was going to be this Sunday to
call a vote for April twelve, So he's running out
of time. The other thing that people are getting a
little bit angsty about around the tariffs this morning is
he should have been on a plane and he should

(15:36):
have been in Donald Trump's face trying to talk about
some sort of exemptions to tariffs. I don't think he's
going to get exemptions. I don't think he was ever
going to get exemptions. But nevertheless, a full on trade
war is underway. China going fifteen percent, Mexico has hit back.
Canada's hit back.

Speaker 14 (15:49):
As you've heard, Canadians are reasonable and we are polite,
but we will not back down from a fate in
our country and the well being of everyone in.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
It is at stake at the moment.

Speaker 14 (16:05):
The US tariffs came into effect in the early hours
of this morning, and so did the Canadian response.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
There's a long line of Donald and Steve Price later
on in the program with Hadnald a couple of moments,
of course, twenty two minutes away from seven back here.
Another report into the idea of congestion charging. This one
was commission by the Auckland Mayor. Comes up with a
figure of two point six billion by way of waste
and lost productivity everyone on Auckland apparently why it's about
seventeen hours a year in traffic. Senior lecturer in Architecture

(16:32):
and town Planning at the University of Auckland Timothy Welch's, Well,
there's Timothy, morning.

Speaker 15 (16:35):
To you morning.

Speaker 9 (16:37):
Thanks for having you.

Speaker 16 (16:37):
Can.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
I argue all you want, but I always find these
numbers spurius two point six billion. How do you drum
up these numbers with any level of accuracy.

Speaker 15 (16:45):
Well, we can just look at the amount of time
people spend in traffic. We can compare that to the
amount they make per hour, and that's a pretty good
starting point. And we can also figure out things like
how many full time jobs are lost because of the city
and in congestion, which is around twelve hundred full time
job the amount of extra fuel you pay one hundred
and twenty million dollars per year, So.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
It actualies numbers and you come up with them and
you accept them. Is two point six billion bad and
seventeen hours? I mean compared with international cities with this
congestion as well, well.

Speaker 9 (17:15):
It certainly not great.

Speaker 15 (17:17):
I mean that's a lot of lost money and revenue,
a lot of lost time. So I mean, if you're
looking at it's about sixty six hours per person per year.
So if you think what you could do with that
amount of time, it's certainly bad, and it's not good
compared to most cities across the world.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Can you then extrapo light if you accept those numbers
and say I'll charge you two dollars fifty to drive
down that street and pick time, what does that do?
And how do you know?

Speaker 15 (17:42):
Well, we can easily model kind of the demand for
the travel, and that's what we do already when we
think about building new roads or expanding lanes, we model
how many people will take that route, and then we
can kind of extrapolate the revenue from there, and those
numbers come out pretty big as well. And we've seen
this happen in places like New York and London, where
congestion falls rapidly but revenue increases significantly.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
When you sign New York, New York has only just started.
Do we already know what's happened in New York?

Speaker 15 (18:10):
Yeah, it's great. In just two months since they started,
we've already seen massive reductions in congestion. CBD has has
more space for buses to go quickly, for people to walk,
revenue is up, so all sorts of benefits.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
When you send the CBD. What do you mean the
CBD in New York? New York's messive.

Speaker 9 (18:31):
Yeah, well that's right.

Speaker 15 (18:32):
But when we're talking about the most dense center of Manhattan,
So you're.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Telling me I can go down sixth Avenue now more
freely than I could previously.

Speaker 15 (18:41):
Yes, if you could believe it. People are plotting. It's
been a long time coming, a lot of political pushback.
Once it was implemented, traffic really started to decrease from
day one.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Okay, would you also argue London's because I've been there
and I don't see it as a success, and they
keep putting the price up, and that's what worries me.
Once you start charging a dollar, then it's a dollar
fifty thenut's two dollars and the only people who hire
the people with money.

Speaker 17 (19:04):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 15 (19:05):
The trick with that is that we don't know what
it would have looked like without the congestion charge. So
London would just be a total quagmire if we looked
at traffic without that congestion charge. Of course it's expanded
and increased with inflation, as things do. But it's been
a huge success there as well. We saw within the
first year in lone did a thirty percent increase in
public transport use in a thirty percent decrease in traffic

(19:27):
congestion just from a year wine and this has been
going since two thousand and eight.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
All right, good insight, Timothy, appreciate you, tim Timothy Welch
is not new, of course, these reports they come down.
It doesn't depends Little Whine actually does something about it
in Auckland. If you don't live in Oakland, do you
and be grateful that you don't have to deal with
a sort of nonsense. Nineteen minutes away from seven, another
thing with elbow. Yesterday, for some reason I asked the
Prime Minister. You remember last week I said, boots on
the ground we entered the peacekeepers. He clearly hadn't thought

(19:52):
about it, which sort of stuns me. That if you're
running a country and you're involved in a war, which
we are, even though it's piecemeal, at some point someone's
going to ask you about you know, there's a peace deal,
there's a resolution. What does New Zealand militarily do quite
well peacekeeping? So surely you join a couple of dots
and go. Jeez, if I was ever asked about peacekeeping,
I should have an answer. So he didn't really have

(20:13):
an archer. He said he would have a look at it.
Elbow was even worse. Elbow said, nah, now, we won't
be doing that. And he said that on Monday. Then
yesterday he goes, actually, I think we might. So he
hasn't got a clue either. Eighteen to two The.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
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Speaker 3 (20:33):
Morning Mike, dealing with it now, Mate, Southern Motorway heading
into the city is stuffed at the moment six thirty
in the morning. He might be right, I guessed a
moment ago from January came in Jen five in New
York traffic in Manhattan Central Business District felt seven and
a half percent last week. That's from January, they say now,
and the latest is from February. They say now it's
eight percent. Two hundred and seventy three thousand fewer cars

(20:56):
entered the Boroughs Central Business District Traffic down Street feel
safe for buses moving faster. That's Jano Liba, who's the
Metropolitan Transport Authority had. Overall traffic times were thirty to
forty percent faster on inbound river crossings into Manhattan. They
were the most congested traffic routes in America. Six to
forty five.

Speaker 18 (21:15):
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for New Zealand business from.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
The other coach, Richardamad, morning to you. Hey, Michael, Well,
it's all on. It's war tariffs every front.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (21:28):
Most politicos would say that Trump won the last election
because of people's concerns about the economy here, starting with
a price of eggs due to birdflup. Now, as the
Trump terriffs have just taken effect against America's three biggest
trading partners by far, with that twenty five percent on
most goods from Canada and Mexico, and twenty percent on China.
Retailers here awarding that prices on a huge number of

(21:49):
consumer goods are going to increase starting in a couple
of days. Folks has famed investor Warren Buffett is saying
the tooth furry ain't going to pay them no, which
takes on consumers. This begins with vegetables. Two thirds of
importer vegetables come into this country from Mexico during the
winter months. Hear those prices will go up first. Leading
stores Mike, Target, Walmart, Best Buy, Home Depot all warning

(22:12):
of price spikes ahead. Wall Street stocks are falling. They've
already seen the sharpest declines this year. The S and
P began the session with a one point eight percent drop,
same as yesterday. The DAR was down by more than
seven hundred points yesterday, but over six hundred last time
I looked. The Trump tariffs also will hit car prices
in a big way. They're set to increase by at

(22:33):
least three hundred dollars New Zealand per car. Fuel prices
also will go up. Small appliances prices will rise. Toy
industry says they could be devastated by olives. Their rupert Murdock.
Wall Street Journal is headlining its op ed now quote
Trump takes the dumbest tariff plunge. It warns that the
journal had quote courted mister Trump's aire by calling the

(22:56):
Mexico and candidate levies the dumbest in history. But they
say we may have understated the point, adding Trump is
whacking friends, not adversaries.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
End quote.

Speaker 19 (23:05):
However, we are seeing that trump Ism is not about
alliances right, It's about deals at the moment. Canada, also,
as you've noted, is calling the Trump tariffs very dumb,
but says Canada won't back down from a fight. Says
there Pm Trudeau further on this, we.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Don't want this.

Speaker 14 (23:21):
We want to work with you as a friend and ally,
and we don't want to see you hurt either. But
your government has chosen to do this to you.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
Well.

Speaker 19 (23:35):
Canada is responding with an initial list of retaliatory tariffs,
with more set to take effect over the next twenty
one days. Mexico also will retaliate. The White House says
this it's all about immigration concerns and worries about the
smuggling of fentanyl. Both Mexico and Canada have made moves
in recent times to titan laws on these fronts. But
when it comes to fentanyl in Canada, about one percent

(23:55):
that drug makes its way illegally through the US Canadian border,
So yeah about Canadian fedanl Right, then.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
We come to speeches at nine o'clock East Coast time
to Congress. Of course, Zelensky's back down. So does that
mean he can say something about the minerals thing tonight?
Do you reckon?

Speaker 19 (24:12):
Who knows what he said tonight? It will certainly be
an unusual addressed to the Joint Session in the Congress.
But yeah, Trump has announced in the background of all
it's a pause in the US military aid to Ukraine
in the wake of that fiasco the other day. How
long would a pause be? Would it be a day
or three, few months?

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Who knows?

Speaker 6 (24:30):
Forever?

Speaker 19 (24:31):
This is the Trump team contributes to lashing out on
Ukraine's Zelensky with more comments from Vice President Vance Today, Zelensky,
as you say, seems to be shifting ground on this.
He says he and his team are ready to work
now under President Trump's strong leadership, to get a piece
that last. Well, there's some diplos big for you, folks.

(24:53):
They really love each other right. VP Van says the
US still is open to doing a deal with Ukraine
on rare earth minerals, and Vance says he still thinks
that is on the table.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Well, I certainly do, and I think the President is
still committed to the mineral deal.

Speaker 8 (25:08):
I think we've heard some positive things, but not yet
of course, the signature from our friends in Ukraine.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
But look, the mineral deal is a really.

Speaker 13 (25:15):
Important part of the President's policy.

Speaker 8 (25:16):
Number one, the American people have got to get some payback.

Speaker 19 (25:20):
Yeah, payback is his JD who is facing flak from
the Brits by describing the UK as quote, some random
country that hasn't caught a war.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
In thirty years.

Speaker 19 (25:31):
He's got away with Woods Vance, hasn't he? Democrat Schildon
white House Senator white House saying of the Pussia game
that we're seeing, what.

Speaker 20 (25:37):
It looks like is extortion by Trump of Ukraine for Russia.
All of the pressure in the so called negotiation is
on the Ukrainian side. And I see the Vice President
of the President asked acting very directly as agents of
Putin and Russia in the so called negotiations. Imagine if

(26:00):
Franklin Delan Roosevelt had told Winston Churchill.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
We're cutting off lendlease.

Speaker 20 (26:04):
You have to negotiate with Hitler and be prepared to
give up some of your territory and put no pressure
on Hitler.

Speaker 19 (26:10):
So that's the Democrats view. Are there assurances that put
in really your seeking piece? Is there any pressure on
Moscow in any of this? Meantime, the Kremlins say they
think you was policy now very much in line with Russia.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Stet Yeah, exactly, all right, speak at three pm this afternoon,
New Zealand Time. Rich, appreciate it very much. Please explain
this is Trump on truth social a couple of moments.
Please explain to Governor Trudeau that when he puts on
a retelliatory tariff on the UF, our reciprocal tariff will
immediately increase by a like amount. So this is going,
you know, fifteen thirty forty five, and so it goes
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two paragraph summed up nicely. Read it very very good
piece of reading. If you can't get access to it,
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spot of trouble because he only got appointed to the
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So more than that. Fore, shortly meantime, numbers in from
the thirty seventh edition of the lou Auton America's Cup
and Bakhelona. Turns out it was a hit despite the
pushback locally here and we all went, oh, well, he's
gone overseas. It's not fair. It was a wise business decision.
Here are the numbers. Provided one point nine four billion
of economic value to Barcelona. There were two hundred and
forty four soup yolts that arrived to have a look

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that injected sixty five million into the local economy. Twelve thousand,
eight hundred and seventy two jobs were created during the tournament.
That equated to almost four hundred million dollars worth of
tax revenue. Local business has lapped it up. Ninety percent
of the America's Cup providers being local businesses, all say
massive increase in profit over the fifty nine days of
the comp plus the build up. Considering our teams they
were there for months of course, pumping money into the economy.

(28:43):
One point eight million visitors were counted. That included four
hundred and sixty thousand unique visitors to Barcelona, total television
audience nine hundred and fifty four million who watched over
eleven thousand hours of global coverage, and all of that
meant that the brands involved with the America's Cup made
two point five five billion New Zealand dollars over the

(29:03):
course of the event, which is a sixty four percent
increase on last year numbers. As they say, do not
lie so rapidly developing things going on this morning, Zelenski
seems to have caved. As you heard from Richard a
moment ago, he wants to work with a strong leadership
of Trump, the minerals deal as a goer. I'm assuming
Trump's going to raise this in the Congress speech this afternoon.

(29:25):
As I say, at three o'clock New Zealand time will
get you to the middle of Kiev and find out
what's going on in that particular part of the world
in the moment whether or not this is heading towards
some sort of ceasefire or peace deal. Winston Peter's back
in the country. First chance to have a yarn since
he's had a word with the Chinese. He also stopped
in Korea, had a word with Hyundai, who every now
and again make a ferry or two. We've got a

(29:45):
three hundred million dollar break fee. Whether or not that
gets changed, whether they build new fairies, will have a
look at that. So Winston Peter's on the program after
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Speaker 3 (30:05):
Dogs head be seven past seven and so with America
hitting paus on the military aid for the war. The
question now is at the end of American involvement or
a technic to get the mineral deal signed off? Key
based Foreign Policy and Security Animals Jimmy Rushton with This Morning,
Good Morning. Hes Zelyinsky caved when he sees, you know,
the bold leadership of Donald Trump and were ready to
go on minerals. Is this it was this a tectic
in its wood.

Speaker 13 (30:27):
I think it is a tactic.

Speaker 21 (30:28):
I wouldn't say that he's caved because the Ukrainians were
always prepared to sign this minerals deal. They would have
signed it, you know, in the White House a few
days ago. But obviously there was that unfortunate confrontation largely
initiated by J. D. Vance and Donald Trump, and then
Zelensky was asked to leave. But you know, now he's

(30:51):
kind of expressing regret for what happened, and I think,
to be honest, that's genuine. Everyone in the Ukraine government
regrets what's happened, and he's prepared to sign this deal
and attempt to rebuild a relationship with the White House.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Is there a realization that without America, Ukraine's finished?

Speaker 21 (31:08):
I know, and to be honest, that's not actually true.
If you know, America is incredibly important. But right now
Ukraine provides around about forty to fifty percent of its
you know, war material production, and then you have the
Europeans and the Americans that provide around about twenty five
percent each. So without America it would be tough. But

(31:29):
there are you know, there are things that Ukrainians can do.
There's obviously things that Europeans can do, and also obviously
New Zealand and Australia, Japan, Ukraine's other allies outside of
Europe to kind of to fill that gap that that
America will leave. It will be a big gap, but
you know it is possible for those countries to replace
what America provides.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
What vendor Lyne was talking about urbannight, the one in
our money one and a half trillion dollars in loans
and in other words, Europe's stepping up? Is that real
or is that just panic and panicked talk?

Speaker 21 (32:00):
So look, I think there is panic here. There's panic everywhere,
especially in London at the moment, which is trying to
you know, Kistama won a lot of plaudits for handling Trump,
but then you know he's he really now has to
cash in those that relationship that he managed to build
because at the moment, it does seem like America is

(32:21):
on the verge of ending the Transatlantic Alliance, which has
served European and global security generally pretty well for the
last you know, since the Second World War, and there
is panic.

Speaker 13 (32:31):
I think you're asking a lot of proposals.

Speaker 21 (32:34):
Generally, what happens is some of these proposals move forward,
some of them don't for various reasons, but I think
there is there is a serious understanding that Europe will
have to spend money, have.

Speaker 13 (32:44):
To step up, you know, have to take their security seriously.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Now this is why I can't understand Jiman. I can't
work out what Trump's trying to do. Is Trump trying
to do just a business deal, He's not interested in war.
Let's get to the table, let's get a ceasefire and
let's get this done. Or is Trump doing Russia's bidding
and you sign the minerals deal, so America gets a
whole bunch of stuff, Russia gets some land, and he's
out of there.

Speaker 21 (33:07):
It's really difficult to kind of ascribe strategic thinking to
Donald Trump. He seems to be very very reactionary. He's
very transactional. I think, you know, he made these big
promises that he could end this war and they it
would be really, really easy.

Speaker 13 (33:19):
And I suspect that he's found that actually.

Speaker 21 (33:23):
You know, the Russian song could give an inch, and
he believes that he can more effectively threaten Ukraine to
agree to unfavorable terms, then he can threaten the Russians
to agree to unfavorable terms. And I think that's what's happening.
The problem is that the Americans really have overestimated their
power and they don't really understand the situation on the front,

(33:43):
which is not catastrophic for Ukraine really at all. The
Russians are looking pretty ragged currently, and you know, he
seems to be overplaying his hand.

Speaker 13 (33:53):
You know, he likes these poker references. He said, Zelensky
has no no.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Cars and play.

Speaker 13 (33:56):
Well, actually they do.

Speaker 21 (33:58):
And you know, if he wants to end this war,
Ukraine has to agree to that as well.

Speaker 13 (34:03):
Not just Russia.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
What's it like in Kiev at the moment.

Speaker 21 (34:08):
It's to be honest, it's not that bad. We've been
having quite heavy air raids for the last month or so,
a lot of these shahis, which are these Iranian supplied
Kamikazi drones. But in the last couple of days it's
been relatively quiet.

Speaker 13 (34:23):
You know, we've got power.

Speaker 21 (34:25):
The Ukrainian air defenses and the Ukrainian electricity guys have
been absolutely amazing. We haven't really had any power cuts
this winter compared to the last couple of years where
we had days without power at times. So you know,
again the situation on the home front here is relatively stable.
I was on the front lines about two and a
half weeks ago speaking to some guys in thurd Saut Brigade,

(34:45):
which is one of the Ukrainian military's premiere units, and
their morale is very, very high. They're inflicting severe casualties
on the Russians, and you know that they're even making
advances in some places along the frontiers. We went to Rexts,
for example, and they're inflicting staggering lost is on the Russians.

Speaker 13 (35:00):
So the idea that this is all kind of a one.

Speaker 21 (35:03):
Sided war in that Russia is just pushing forward and
you know, the Ukrainians have not got a chance, it's
just not true.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
To be honest, all right, Jimmy will stay in touch
to appreciate. Jimmy Rushian, who's in Key for US this morning,
twelve minutes past seven, ask I can't you report that's
looked into the influence of gangs and what sort of
influence they're having in prisons. It's the old line. There
is no rehabit simply a place of recruitment. One suggestion
that's interesting split the system gangs and non gangs. Any way.
Independent Research Solutions director in author of the report, Jared
Gilbert back with us. Morning.

Speaker 22 (35:30):
Good morning to you, Mike.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I noticed in this report you talk about rehab. Is
rehab really the goal? I mean, realistically the goal in prison?
Has it ever really been that? Well, well, I mean.

Speaker 22 (35:39):
The first prisons when the first modern prisons in the
early eighteen hundred, so that's sort of what the promise was.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
You know.

Speaker 22 (35:45):
Consequently, they've I've got a two or three functions, really punishment,
holding people to account, and making sure, you know, dangerous
people are managed. But rehabilitation is certainly one important goal.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Sure, right, so gangs and.

Speaker 22 (36:02):
We spend a lot of money trying to achieve it.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
As we do. If gangs run the place, is that
a lack of oversight from corrections?

Speaker 22 (36:08):
You've got to be careful saying gangs run the place,
because corrections still hold the keys, right, But in that
informal world of the prism they have, you know, they
do have too much power, and this is a detriment
to the running of the prison. I don't think you
can see it any other way.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Is that known by corrections.

Speaker 22 (36:25):
It's certainly known by correction staff because I interviewed them
and actually look a meeting with the chief executive later
day to talk through the implications of the report. But clearly,
if one of your goals is rehabilitation and for corrections,
it certainly is, then this level of control and power
is problematic because, of course, if you're creating a place
of fear not that doesn't just mean that the gangs

(36:49):
at the top tier of this sort of informal hierarchy.
It means that it pushes people toward joining a gang
for security. So while you're causing the problems, you're also
benefiting from them, which is kind of which is far
from idea.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
One of the most telling figures thirty five percent or
involuntary segregation. Does that mean a person like me, I
robbed the bank. I'm not a gang member. I don't
want to be a gang member, but I'm getting beaten
up on and so I go just stick me in
a cell and I'll stay there for my lag. Is
that how it works?

Speaker 22 (37:19):
That that is how it works. If you can take
care of yourself, the gangs will give you a bit
of status, you'll be some of Tier two. But if
you can't, then you've become incredibly vulnerable to They take
a chicken mic, they'll take your lozenges. You know, your
makateen Longe. They'll take whatever they can from you. They
may force you to do things as well, and so
you're with the option is to go to voluntary segregation.

(37:41):
So what we've seen as the culture in the prisons
has changed, this massive increase over years of voluntary segregation.
So we're kind in some way ways we're sort of
unconsciously established establishing two prisons.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
And could you do that? Well, I mean that's the
interesting thing. Could you do that? Could you split the
gangs off into a prison gang non prison gangs? Possible
or hopeless?

Speaker 22 (38:02):
No, it may well be that we have to go
to wings. But if we are going to separate wings,
but if we are going to do that, we should
be doing it consciously and with a plan, rather than
just sort of allowing it happen. I was going to say, naturally,
I don't as much from prisons as.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Natural exactly, all right, Jared, appreciate it. Jared Gilbert, Minister
of Corrections Mark Mitchell with us after eight o'clock this morning.
Of course, it was called a struggle session, a piece
that went off in the Australian media yesterday by Peter
Hartcher who's the Political and International editor for the Sydney
Morning Herald. What happened in the White House between Zelenski
and Trump was a setup. It is called a struggle session,

(38:37):
an orchestrated ritual humiliation of a political enemy conducted in public,
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B Winston Peter. Shortly eighteen pasted seven. Good news for
motorsport fans of a planned announced this morning for a
race circuit new race circle called thunder Ridge Motorsport Park
is going to be open between Tower On and Rodero
Estate Highway six three point two k's of track, twenty
six meters of elevation, eight corners. Director Tony Roberts with us, Tony.

Speaker 12 (39:10):
Good morning, Good morning, Mike, how are you very well?

Speaker 6 (39:13):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (39:13):
At what stage is it at?

Speaker 12 (39:16):
At the stage is that at the moment, Mikes, We've
got everything in place, track designed. We're just waiting now
to put a lease in place with the council. It'll
be a thirty five year least with two rights of
renewals or one hundred and five years so.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
This is a done deal, it's not. Maybe it will happen.

Speaker 12 (39:36):
It will happen.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yes, what's driving it? Because doesn't taw PO motorsport parks
sort of cover your region roughly?

Speaker 12 (39:44):
It does roughly, but the old heritage of the Bay
Park Circuit and the Bay of Blending is very much
into motorsport. And there's two and a half million people
within two and a half hours of Tower now nominal
road of R et cetera.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
What's the timeline on.

Speaker 12 (40:04):
It, Well, as soon as we get to the build
season and we get the leaves in place and we
have we have a plan to do to lease garages
on site which will be for one hundred and five years,
and then where we're all set to go. We were

(40:27):
very much a community facility. We're aiming at people that
you know, the driver training and the new guys, the
young people, getting them off the streets and onto the circuit.
Dry To training will be a huge thing for us
to do. We'll go to the schools, that kind of
thing to try to get people into more safety, which

(40:49):
is the.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Whole thing really good exactly, Well, I wish you all
the very best with that. We're going to follow it
with a great deal of interest in good luck Tony Roberts.
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am thrilled for the White Island company that had their
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(42:26):
it deserved. White Island and its judicial process is worried
me from the get go. If you're a regular, you
will know this Work and Safety appeared to panic in
their response to the disaster. It make me no mistake.
I mean, what happened at the island was a disaster
and a tragedy, but it was a natural disaster and tragedy.
And what level of legal recompense was required was questioned
of all I thought from the start. But the approach
that Work and Safety took appeared to be a panic

(42:48):
driven scattergun affair, whereby All and Sundry faced a barrage
of charges in the hope that some of the judicial
mud would stick. The brothers who owned the island faced
a couple of charges. One was dropped, but they were
found guilty on the other appeal. They have had it
quite rightly turned over. The company simply gave licenses to
conduct tours. They didn't per se manage anything, and therefore
could not be held accountable for what others did. I

(43:11):
still believe a lot of the other charges were overreach
as well, given the nature of the volcano. I mean,
adventure tourism by its very nature carries risk. A live volcano,
by its nature, carries risk. At some point the people
who buy into that, as in the visitors, must take
some level of responsibility. No one, from what I could
see or read, acted recklessly. They weren't crazy. There was
no Dare devil behavior involved. That was an unforeseen disaster,

(43:34):
as the judge pointed out, given the island company simply
handed out licenses, what was there to manage? He also
pointed out, quite rightly, as far as I can see,
that they were dealing with basically bare ground. Not a
lot to manage there either. Many of those charged pled guilty.
You might remember early on I am convinced not because
they believed they were guilty, but because it was easy,
whether on legal advice or not, too simply cave in

(43:55):
and pay the money. This quashing is proof it didn't
need to be that way. All the charges that were dropped,
and there were lots of them as proof it didn't
need to be that way. So how much damage, stress, money, energy,
and failed businesses do we have from an agency that
looks increasingly likely set about things in a very haphazard,
if not dangerous way, and yet are in no way

(44:16):
being held to any level of account asking Rubio's doing
his defense of what Trump is doing with the war.
It's a brilliant grand strategy. By courting Moscow, Trump is
trying to break the Russian no limits relationship with China
the same way Nixon. If you read history, Nixon went
to Beijing in seventy two to forge US ties with

(44:37):
China to bring it into alignment against Russia. Trump's doing
a reverse Nixon, apparently, Mike, I'm reading the main reason
Trump has slapped tariffs on Canada and Mexico is because
they failed to stop drugs coming across the border?

Speaker 6 (44:49):
Is that true?

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Only partially? It wasn't till it wasn't. They exported the
Mexicans a whole lot of cartel leaders the other day
over to America. They boosted troops on the border. Candida
did the same, and that was allegedly to appease the tariffs,
and it meant nothing at the end of the day.
Elbows and for a surprise to the promise that maybe
there are exemptions, that's not going to happen the same
way it's not going to happen with the UK. Basically,

(45:12):
he makes it up as he goes along, and it's
all on and all bets are off as far as
I can work out. Winston Peters, Foreign Minister. More importantly
for this morning's discussion, Ferries Minister is with us.

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Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Puny Anderson and the lf Way twenty
three minutes away from it. We used on our Beleague
of Ferry Service official documents were released yesterday that the
canceled deal from December of twenty three should have been renegotiated,
perhaps more urgently. What we ended up with was, of course,
a new minister and a promise that we're going to
have some fine detail on these new ships by the
end of this month. The Minister in chargeable of this is,

(45:58):
of course Winston Peters, who is this very good morning
to you.

Speaker 17 (46:02):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
If I get time, I wouldn't mind touching on Rara,
Tonga and China and those talks of yours. But as
far as March is concerned, by the end of March,
just to make this nice and clean and clear and quick,
by the end of March, you'll be able to tell
us basically who's doing it, what it costs, and what
we're buying. Is that fear or not.

Speaker 17 (46:19):
Well, Jenny's thinking there three targets. We're going to be
able to announce who's in the game, a lot they're
printending for and what the costs will be.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Okay, and is that a timeline to get us the
new ships by the twenty nine target when the other
ones fall apart? That it's definitely yes, Okay, is Hyundai.
If they're in the mix and we can cut a
deal with them, does that negate some of the break
fee as part of the deal.

Speaker 17 (46:43):
Well, that's an interesting way you put that question. But
when you're in the negotiations like that, that is the
deal that they're negotiating. With the exit deal with Kimi Railer,
I'm starting off something new now. The first part of
the exit deal will have to be settled.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
But are you.

Speaker 17 (46:57):
Asking me, is there a consideration for that exit deal
in terms of the new deal. I've been promised that yes,
So it's how should I said? It's appalling what I've
had to deal with because we've got people shouting out
three hundred million when it's way way less than that.
These other aspects shirt was chunt to do with the fairies,
but all to with a shocking decision. We started off

(47:18):
in May of twenty twenty, when I was a minister
then ordering two ferries for four hundred and one billion.
That's way less than half a billion. I come back
to find that the hinting towards over four billion.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Now heaven since we had to stop it. Having read
the paperwork between Kiwi Rayle and Grant Robinson as it
was at the time. How the government that I didn't
get on top of that was, I can't explain it.
You will have read the letters on assuming KII raile
just keep coming back and going we want more and
we won't ask for more. Oh sorry, well we need more,
but we won't ask for more. And so it went on.

(47:53):
How's that happen?

Speaker 17 (47:55):
Well, it happens when you got people whouldn't run school. Touchhop.
That's that bundles but annoying in the extreme.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Were you cognizant at the time. I don't want to
re litigate history, but when Robertson was running the place,
were you cognizant this was going on with This was
post twenty twenty and you weren't part of it.

Speaker 17 (48:12):
It was post twenty twenty. I mean I left. It
was four hundred and one billion, so half one one million,
yeah for two fairies one million listen that way, listen,
and half a billion I've come back to find over
by treasuries forecast four billion.

Speaker 22 (48:27):
Okay.

Speaker 17 (48:27):
It was just a lolly scramble with no discipline from
the Minister, Finance of five, minister or anyone. And he
said people sit in the house and tell he's dad.
They could run a country. Look, it's as grace of
what's happening here, but this is just a repetitive example
of what they did over and over again.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Do you sit here talking to us this morning, bullish
that a deal will be reached and a good one
that we can all be moderately speaking pleased with.

Speaker 17 (48:55):
Well, the answer that is, we're going worldwide. We've gone
as far as thin than other parts of the world
for content, for tenders. We've got some entity that was
is the world's biggest shipbuilding company. Everybody told me was
out back in I've seen them, Cey Park, he's a
very very and his team. It was an excellent conversation.
They understand that, you know, sometimes the mistakes are made.

(49:18):
But I did have to remind them, you know, in
nineteen fifty when they were in dearer trouble, we sent
our soldiers there. When the Asian financial christs happened in
ninety seven, we were in the one of nine countries
underwrote their currency. We've got a reason to be working
with them, and they are. They're in the right to
share of mind. I think we can be confident we'll
get the sort of out.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Good as regards to China, and they're allowed to do
what they did because no laws were broken. Did they
explain to you in a way that you can explain
to us what led to that and why suddenly they
decided to do life fires without really letting anybody know.

Speaker 17 (49:52):
Well, no, he didn't explain to me. But I made
it very clear that you know, when you've got a
relationship of which we claim to be proud, a lack
of notice, either from the government or the military is unacceptable.
That's that's not our so called friends should behave. I
can say that while we accepted that, and I also
said to the peace don't tell me that you're trying
to sort out whether the trajectory of the military work

(50:14):
is different in the Southern hemistry of the Northern hemisphere.
Was that what they were they were doing it for?
Was was there another lesson you're trying to tell us?
So we had a very frank discussion.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Was the lesson more aimed at Australia than us or not?

Speaker 17 (50:29):
Ah? Well, you know, when you're dealing with something you
don't know the ambience and the objective of hates that
I think I can interpret it. All I know is
this is not But even with the law of the
sea and their right to do that through the Tasman,
this sort of thing where aircraft have to be redirected

(50:52):
is not amongst insuccessible. That's the point I made to you.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Talked to mister Brown poster his trip to China the realities. No,
do you want to should?

Speaker 12 (51:06):
Well?

Speaker 17 (51:07):
I tell you I've set out very very clearly in
correspondence what we abound constitutionally by the two thousand and
one agreement of doctor Mowate or the cook Arts and
Helen tug back then. What we're trying to know. It's difficult,
but we've just said out of me, just waiting for an.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Answer, Okay. Helen Clark actually over the weekend said five
eyes as passed as used by dating. We shouldn't be
part of it anymore. And it's got mission creep. Is
that fear or not?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Well?

Speaker 17 (51:35):
She started off saying that, and the end of the
interview she went backwards on that.

Speaker 12 (51:39):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 17 (51:39):
I think cassel I said, I don't know why, said
many people who have fast politicians feel compelled to talk
about circumstances not engaged in at the moment. I wouldn't.
I can tell you now. But she ran back on
that when it was said to hang on it. Are
you telling us that critical information we need to get
for security, for drugs and all sorts of things you

(51:59):
don't want or not about, And she pulled back on that.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Okay, what do you make of what's going on in
the world at the moment? I mean, we're stuck in
the middle of something here between the Chinese and the
US and Orcust and I mean, what do you what
do you when when you hear Donald Trump and watch
him in the White House and he doesn't know what
Orcas is and Miles is handed over eight hundred million
dollars in the terriff trail, I mean, God, what a mess.

Speaker 17 (52:21):
Well, I think that asking it would be wise for me,
in the interest of my country to keep my mouse
up and wait until the dust settles.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Okay, what about that horse? Have you ridden it?

Speaker 17 (52:32):
It was freezing and I thought about four off the
darn thing. It'll be like a don't put him on
a concrete Okay, but one of these days I might
get Jones.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Is a good looking horse.

Speaker 17 (52:42):
It's this fine specim that they have got their different
type of horse that is they're this horse they're bred for,
you know, races of twenty five kilometers. It's quite unique
in that context. Wow, it's a fine specimen of that
sort of horse. And it was a very well that's
quite overtaking by the tell try what what are.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
The moss around that? In the in the sense you've
got to clear it obviously, But I mean do they
look after it and feed it and all that.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Sort of stuff.

Speaker 17 (53:05):
I'm not going to declare it. I'm not going to
go on in the pathway as a stupid official den
where there's no benefit to me at all. But it's
the pleasure. And one time I bought a horse and
a charity to help a charitable cause. And then they
asked me, you've got the said a minute, you've got
a file, you've got an interest, And I said, you
got nescess. See, I've got a dip. That's what I've
got to look after forever.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
But the horse stays in Mongolia, doesn't it.

Speaker 17 (53:26):
Yeah, well, well that's where it will be saying, because
that's the idea that they look after the rest of
its life and keep it in my put my president
mind and both. If you a chance, I'll sit when again,
I don't know to see how it goes.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Okay, good on. You appreciate it very much, Winston Peters,
I enjoy a wide ranger. You know what can I say?
It's a forty five seven forty five.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
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Speaker 3 (53:52):
It be Mike, I never used to that much. We
get a lot of the super time he's I never
used to have much time for Peter's. However, he impresses
me more and more these days. Are like his frankness,
his reasonable amount of clarity compared to others, and his
unwillingness to ramble.

Speaker 6 (54:07):
Mike.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
God to love Winston pretty straight shooter, Thank you, Mark Old.
When he seems more amiable than I, I reckon. I
put it down to the fact he's like mate or
I'm like him. We're just having a good time. He's
having the time of his life. I'm absolutely convinced of
But will Winston keepers opinions to himself if he ever
retired from politics, You know what, I think he probably will.
And a lot of you have noticed this, asking mister Hosking,

(54:28):
that's asking no. Yes, we've reached a little you know
we've come. It's a it's a it's a moment. Richard
Prebble this morning must read over the summer. I've been
reading the Tribunal's recent reports and doing my research. He
got appointed at the way Tangye Tribunal back in November
by Tama Potarky. You remember all the lovies went, oh

(54:50):
what what a stitch up? The treaty is clear. It
is a preambul in three articles. We also have the
instructions to Governor Hobson. The Crown offered its protection, guaranteed
property rights and extended the rights of British citizenship. In return,
MARII ceded sovereignty, agreed to the Crown having a right
of preemption, and accepted the duties of citizenship. The way

(55:10):
Tanging Tribunal has declared it is not bound by previous
tribunal rulings that sovereignty was ceded or by decisions of
the court. The Tribunal now says there are two treaties.
Having a tribunal that does not follow court rulings or
its own previous findings is politically destabilizing and unsustainable. Do
you reckon Parliament by empowering the Tribunal to make recommendations
based on the principles that the treaty has allowed the

(55:31):
Tribunal to create. Treaty principles. The Tribunal's rulings only have
legal effect when the Crown adopts and the Labour Government
and now National have failed to respond to the Tribunal's
radical ruling. The Minister of Justice should have upheld earlier
tribunal decisions that sovereignty we was seated. I've said this
to the Prime Minister any number of times. In the
absence of political leadership, the civil services adopted the tribunals

(55:51):
invented treaty principles. I will not participate in turning the
treaty into a socialist manifesto. Ignoring the issue is not
the answer. It is time for the Prime Minister to
lead and uphold that there is one treaty, one country
and one citizenship. So I don't know what Tima Potarker
was going to do. I don't know what he wanted

(56:12):
to do, and I don't think he was expecting that,
But good on. Richard Prebble Hero of the Week nine
to eight.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
The Mike Hosking Breakfast were the Bailey's real estate news talks,
there'd be.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
BIDO six away from it. This will come as no
surprise at all. For a third year in a row,
Service Now's annual customer experience shows wait times on phones
are getting worse. Last year it was estimated we spent
about twenty four million hours on hold, which is nine
point seven hours per person. Service Now is country manager
Kate Tulpers. We there's Kate. Good morning to you.

Speaker 17 (56:39):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Do you split these things? Do you split in between
local and international companies?

Speaker 23 (56:45):
Look, we don't. We definitely survey by industry. We look
at the different market segments and who's performing in different spaces.

Speaker 17 (56:51):
That no, we don't look a.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Global and no good because that was my next question.
What are there where are there areas that are specifically
and obviously bad or not?

Speaker 23 (57:00):
Definitely the people who get the most improved and the
opportunities for improvement awards. Look, the best space in twenty
twenty four has definitely been the transport space, so bas
rail ride share type places providing the best kind of
customer service. Most improved goes to household and utilities you know,
so like our electricity companies, etc. But room for improvement
financial services so banking and insurance in government, which is

(57:22):
upset you government.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Of no surprise, government aren't performing. They hired all those
public services and none of them could answer the phone.
Who would have thought?

Speaker 6 (57:29):
So?

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Having said that, I've come to the conclusion, as a
pun to myself, that they don't care, that they can't
be bothered putting the resource in. They don't want to
spend the money, and at the end of the day,
no one's actually going to do anything about it. Would
that be fair or not?

Speaker 12 (57:43):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (57:43):
Look, I don't think anybody sits out to design something
that is completely annoying and doesn't work. But what I
do think is we're seeing in the research is that
where customers are choosing to engage with a digital method,
if it's been provided to them so like a chatbot
or an aipowered agent or an online Apple or something,
they'd definitely seeing a faster response time. And so my
mum used to say to me, put down the phone.
That is definitely the fastest way to engage.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Now that's interesting because my chatbot experience and generally if
it becomes complicated, they drop offline. So in other words,
they say how do I help? And I ask a
question they come back with an answer, and then when
they can't help me, they just disappear.

Speaker 17 (58:15):
Do you notice that I've certainly had.

Speaker 23 (58:18):
That experience myself. I get pretty frustrated because we're at
service now, know when we see the tech and we
know that it's possible to not have that kind of experience.
So absolutely, those are the old chatbots. Those are the
you know, the ones from ten years ago. But AI
powered agents are different, you know, like the work that
we see. For example, our customer, Southern Cross Insurance, they've
deployed an AI powered agent to resolve requests. They've got

(58:38):
a twenty four to x seven service desk running now
and they've delivered a ninety nine percent satisfaction. That is
customer for life territory. That's the difference between putting new
shoes on an old horse and redesigning for a rocket.
You know, old chatbot yep.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Do you do offshore on shore in terms of you know, yes,
local company but they're in the Philippines or not.

Speaker 23 (58:57):
Look, we support a broad range of companies, you know,
doing all the things you know offshore, local New Zealand businesses,
New Zealand government. You know, it's a broad range of
customers that we support. But the key thing that we
see across all of them is that those who are
prepared to engage in investing in technology are providing a
significantly better customer experience, and those are the ones that
you want to take a look at.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Fantastic Kate, appreciate It, Kate Top Service. Now in New
Zealand Country Manager Mark and Ginny, there's a whole bunch
of stuff to deal with. They'll deal with the Preble
situation corrections obviously with that report that we talked about
earlier on given that's Mark's particular department, Do we want
to go down the sandwich route or not? Are we
thorough releasing O then wants to go down the sandwich route.

Speaker 20 (59:36):
I just want to want some people to say, ed
you might and not.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Marm I No, only we're going to do that. This
isn't school mate, this is adult time. I don't know
if you've noticed. This is an adult show.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
You know you came this is you had another country
music person you neverthood of.

Speaker 12 (01:00:16):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Clayton Blue Sky Sundays. Up there he was in pursuit
of his dreams. He was headed towards his native Fort Smith, Arkansas,
having left Nashville, a place that raised him and formed
his early love of music, and was calling him back.
Now you have been cool back in cool back, you

(01:00:38):
get called back? Is that a real thing? Do you
think you get called back?

Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
I always I often feel Hamilton pulling me about today.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
It's the same thing from well we got nine, nine
to nine. Once he got to Arkansas and Fort Smith,
he wrote nine songs, thirty five minutes and forty eight
seconds worth of music from J. D. Clayton Blue Sky Sundays.
It is eight minutes past day's time for politics Wednesday,
and Ginny Anderson's will was along with Mark Mitchell, good

(01:01:07):
morning to you both, morning, Mike Moting, Jenny, good morning.
A couple of this is this is this is minutia.
I know, Jenny, but and it's my fascination with it.
But you weren't in your seat yesterday. Jan Tonetti was
in your seat? What happened there?

Speaker 24 (01:01:22):
I moved along a few I was sitting I think
one seat along.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yes, she were. How does that work?

Speaker 24 (01:01:29):
Well, often when you get a question, you get moved
into the center.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Okay, so your seat the singular seat. I always thought
it was because no one liked you. Was that unfair?

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:01:38):
I thought it was because I was short and got
teased a bit and maybe smelt funny. But no, it's
not any of those things with.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
You because I thought about it. Mark, the day you
remember when Andrew Bailey was answering those embarrassing questions when
he had called somebody a loser at the winery and
I was looking at poor old Nicola Grigg and Nicola
and Nichola was sitting next to Andrew, and I thought,
I'm sure she doesn't want to be sitting next to
Andrew right now because she knows the camera's on her.
And what a nightmare. How does it work on your
side of the house because you move around a bit
as well.

Speaker 6 (01:02:04):
Mark, Yeah, it's when people are away.

Speaker 25 (01:02:06):
So basically, when people away, they just the whips will
just move you around to fill the slots, and that's
why you sort of see people moving around and be
the same and with the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Although lux and Peters et cetera get the same seats
every time.

Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
Yes they do, yes, and no one, no one sits
in their seats.

Speaker 24 (01:02:22):
So yeah, that's that's an interesting But when I was
a young and in my first new MP, when you
can sit anywhere usually, but you never ever sit in
the leader's seat.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Well of course not the leaders, but so it's leader's deputy.
I know that Nicholas sits in the same So how
far down the lane does it go before?

Speaker 6 (01:02:39):
Right?

Speaker 25 (01:02:39):
I see what you mean. Yeah, so they'll just yeah,
that's a really good point. No, they'll just sort they'll
kind of move you around up until the leader's seat
and then.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
You won't you know that it stops there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
So does somebody tell you? You say, Mark, you're on
six thirty thirty six B.

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
Today it's it's the chief whip.

Speaker 25 (01:02:54):
The Whips Office will send out each day where you're
sitting and it relates to who's away and you're filling
the GA.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Honestly, hand on heart, jinny, I mean, you sit by
yourself a lot, but hand on heart. There's got to
be people who game bugger. I don't want to be
next to them. I mean even in your own core,
because you've got to be thinking out of that idiot.

Speaker 24 (01:03:15):
Seat's quite a good seat, right, It has a number
of advantages. It was Calvin seat was Putty Cuta's seat
because you're right in the fray, you're right looking at acts,
you've got mighty party and you're right, so you can seat.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
It's a seat hide one and if.

Speaker 24 (01:03:28):
You're a little bit late, you can slip in and
out without and you want not to think because you
don't have to squeeze and past other people.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
That is your seat, now, Ginny, you speak of it
as though it's your own.

Speaker 24 (01:03:38):
I'm quite familiar with that seat now. And while I
do look like I'm on my own, it's about forty
centimeters still between me and Willow geen point.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Weever, that's the difference between economy and business class, isn't it?
And we all know where we'd rather be.

Speaker 24 (01:03:49):
That's my life pretty much, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Right, Marke, real quick, we had Jared Gilbert on he
did this report with corrections. He reckons, I mean not
this is new, but gangs are running the gangs running
the bridge is they had an abdication of responsibility from
corrections or not.

Speaker 25 (01:04:03):
No, look, corrections do an outstanding job. He really hasn't
told us anything we didn't already know. Is that our
prisons are a microcosm of society. And basically, the gangs
in our communities use intimidation, violence, you know, the disproportionate
drivers of a lot of the crime that we have
to deal with. That's why you see myself and the
commissioner going so hard on the gangs. But you know,
but the correction system is no different. But I have

(01:04:26):
to say that our corrections officers are world class. Though
there are thousands and thousands of positive interactions that happen
every day. We've got two hundred gang members that are
currently applied to have their facial tattoos removed. And actually,
from many of the visits that I do around our
prison system, what they try to do is peer older
gang members that have seen the era of their ways

(01:04:46):
and want to leave the gang and reform, or have
left the gang.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
They try to sort of buddy them up.

Speaker 25 (01:04:51):
With the younger ones so that there's actually a positive
influence happening in there as well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Okay, but having said that, if I under skinny white
guy and I just want to do. I lag because
I did something wrong, I'm going to get beaten up.
And when I say to the corrections, I got beaaten
up knowing kids did.

Speaker 6 (01:05:05):
They Yeah, well don't don't.

Speaker 25 (01:05:07):
Don't go out and commit robberies and violent crime and
go into your correction system because.

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
There's a lot of game. Well there's a lot of game.

Speaker 25 (01:05:15):
I don't think you will what there's a lot of
gang members in there, and it's a tough environment and
you know it, shout out to.

Speaker 6 (01:05:21):
Our Christians offices. They work in a very tough environment.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
You concur with that.

Speaker 24 (01:05:25):
Generally, well, well some of that. I've been to Reematucka
a few times and they've had a really good program
where they keep all the young the younger gang members
separate from that middle cohort because it's the middle cohort
who then co co opt them into permanent game membership.
So I think the more that our present system is
able to separate out that the middle so yes, twenty

(01:05:47):
five years up to forty, and they're the ones that
are going to put pressure on the younger ones to
sign up in these I've seen programs in place where
they've done like a couple Hoker performance, and they've the
outlines of the gang tattoos on their back, but they've
not been completed. So they've been started, but they're not
fully in yet. And that's the opportunity really to provide

(01:06:09):
facial tattoo removal, to provide options to get out, and
to separate them from that older cohort who will try
and push them in.

Speaker 25 (01:06:16):
The best people place to decide how to run the prisons.
They do an outstanding job. Are our corrections not politicians,
and they deal with this every single day and they're
very good at it. I want everyone to understand that
our corrections control our prisons, not the gangs, but the
gang's try to bring influence into the prison around the
other prisons, and we're very we are in sensive to that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Breaf break More in a Moment, Mark Mitchell, Jinny Anderson,
thirteen Past.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
News sixteen past eight Jinny Anderson, Mark Mitchell, Well, it's
just quickly, Jenny, this Wellington water and it's just I
don't know, I mean, does Wellington ever work their way
out of this quagmire of misery and disc function.

Speaker 24 (01:07:01):
Yeah, it's a concern. I did see something Chris Bush.
It was saying it's a social club or something, and
he was sort of saying it was well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Everyone's sort of chipped in and there was no accountability
and it's.

Speaker 24 (01:07:10):
Just the triple I think there's a figure.

Speaker 9 (01:07:12):
I saw.

Speaker 24 (01:07:12):
They're paying triple what everyone else that what they should
have been paid. But part of the problem is that
they don't have the money to be able to fix
that infrastructure. We did have a plan in place for
all of that order infrastructure with entities set up. The
government came in and scrapped that and see local government
sought that out and so this is the messing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
To be fair though, Jinny, this goes back several years
when you were in government. I'm not blaming you. I
mean they should be running their own thing, but I
mean this isn't current. Just because you know, water done
well or whatever it's called, I mean, it's it's idiots
or idiots. It doesn't matter what the infrastructure or the
structure is.

Speaker 24 (01:07:46):
That we needed a plan that enabled local government to
be able to borrow the amount of money to fix
that infrastructure, and we still don't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Have that well, it could it have helped that they
didn't charge triple to the contractors or the contractors were
charging triple.

Speaker 24 (01:07:58):
I completely agree with you. But the problem is that
year after year, you've had councils in the valley, for example,
building a hotel, putting money towards a hotel and an
event's you know, center, when they should have been investing
in democracy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
No one turns up to boat and so the next
thing that guy Guppy is But do you realize how
long how long has O Guppy been the mayor telling
me years? Maybe that's unbelieved, one hundreds. I looked him up.
I thought he main last time. I'm unopposed. So it's
either brilliant or.

Speaker 6 (01:08:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:08:29):
You know, he's a good hat guy and he gets
on with everybody, both both sides of the house, and
he does his job. He's a nice guy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Okay, A lot of people asking about the man who Mark?
What was going on there? When you bring your top?

Speaker 6 (01:08:39):
I love I love the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
It was Mark.

Speaker 24 (01:08:41):
I just clarify because I've heard a rumor that actually
that that that you were chasing a kid that stolen
the Snickers bar and he jumped.

Speaker 25 (01:08:51):
Well, can get and I'm sure that's a rumor started
by you.

Speaker 6 (01:08:58):
But that the money the.

Speaker 25 (01:09:00):
Muddy will Chaps was was awesome, mate, No, it was,
it was. It was very spur of the moment. I
didn't have any tolls or anything. I was lucky that
Sarah zipped down from home brought me a change of suit,
so I did.

Speaker 6 (01:09:09):
Have another evow. Yeah, I went old styles. I did
the A bomb, I thought I did. Okay, the A bomb?

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Okay, did you now I claim? Now this is a
at risk? Had been called frivolous. How is it Chris
Bishop has hundreds of dollars worth of dry cleaning receipts
put forward in the expenses account, and did you then
put your suit in with that to claim your dry
cleaning as a resulted as a result of.

Speaker 25 (01:09:36):
Good thinking? But no, I didn't, No, heaven, I've got
no idea. But you know, if you're on the road
a lot, you know, I mean it's Chris about that.

Speaker 6 (01:09:48):
Ye, yes, we're all on the road a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Well you you claim sixty bucks for some mini bar.
Now what's going on there?

Speaker 25 (01:09:54):
So we don't know what that charges. I'm reassure you
that I don't eat. I don't eat six hundred peckets
of peanut I must have. I must admit that I
feel like a beer at the end of the day sometimes,
but we don't drink. How cool we're out in about either.
It's probably a meal that's been charged back to my room.

Speaker 24 (01:10:13):
I think, I know, I know there's been a lot
of talk about Louise in the Double Cheeseburger. I think
I think that I looked at Mark and we look
and there was the Lula Lounge and Fox Trot Parlor.
Those esteemed establishments are is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
It the Lulu Lounge or the Lula Lounge?

Speaker 24 (01:10:33):
Lula, it's the Lula Lounge.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
What do you know about the Lula Lounge?

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
Mate?

Speaker 24 (01:10:36):
I mean the Fox Trot Parlor? Like, what are these establishments?

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Question?

Speaker 25 (01:10:40):
Jenny, I'm getting very uncomfortable because I feel like Jenny
Andersen's stalking me. I feel like I've got a stalker,
and Jenny Anderson, you filed it, mate.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
I mean, I don't know what's going on here with
these expenses. But good I got excited by Nicola Gregg
buying a magnum of peanut, but I assume that's a gift.

Speaker 24 (01:11:00):
Are you calling me a store game?

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Looking at what do you do with receipt when you're
in opposition? Do you what's your official receipts thing.

Speaker 24 (01:11:08):
When you're in opposition. I just because we're pretty much
so I just pay for it yourself, unless it's you know,
a big amount, So I just pay my own stuff.
We're getting allowance in our salary for those sorts of.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
And you're get an allowance and you can do anything
with it you want.

Speaker 24 (01:11:23):
No, no, no, it's the things like the extra and
all MPs get it. And it's for when you go
to a fair or when you have to spomp, you know,
like do a like for example, rotari and membership that
might be included. So it's expenses you need to pay
as an MP that that you do in your activities
in the community.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Okay, right, I'm going to get to the bottom of it, Mark,
because you sound suspicious all of a sudden.

Speaker 6 (01:11:48):
Yeah, yeah, I'm very interested to.

Speaker 25 (01:11:52):
I can assure you that it will be work related.
What I'm relieved, what I'm relieved about is that we're
bringing anti stalking laws in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Exactly, Yeah, exactly, you'll be able to get away with us.
All right, Nice to see you guys, mate, Mitchelle Ginny
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Fox Trot Parlor Cafe and ponsomb I should have known that, actually,

(01:13:18):
not that I spend a lot of time pons I
should have known that, Thank you for that. It wasn't
the Lula Parlor because the lounge Lula loud. So Jenny
said it was Lula Lounge, not the Lula Lounge, because
Lula Lounge is. We're in Canada and Toronto. Well that
it'll be said. That'll be tarffed up the wazoo by now. Anyway,
you get solsal lessons at the Lula Lula Lounge. It's
actually the Lula Inn, which is just a regular what

(01:13:40):
pub but no one and this is where it gets
deeply suspicious, known for their bottomless lunches. Hmmm, so we
can't explain the sixty dollars on the mini bar. He
doesn't know anything about the Lula in with the bottomless lunch.
Was it so bottomless you can't remember? These are the questions.

Speaker 7 (01:14:00):
Yeah, so then did you go back to the mini
barn afterwards?

Speaker 9 (01:14:03):
I remember it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Mike could be going after expenses like burgers. Then get
to the bottom of Devah Packers thirty nine kov spending
in the quarter. Well, I'm surprised you found that it's
thirty nine thousand dollars in the quarter because the marry
parties are telling you yesterday or the day before. I'm
very good at filing the paperwork. She must have filed
some paperwork there and come up with some numbers, so
good of her to do it. But a lot of
that will be in the cost of protest banners and

(01:14:24):
air fair as I would imagine. I'm guessing, but you
know how it goes. Cyclone, Alfred, there's sandbagging. My niece
was sandbagging yesterday and they're sort of freaking out because
they've gone and bought all the white bread and the
pasta and the four x and you can't get anything
of the supermarket now. So we'll talk about the weather
with Steve after the news, which is next here on
the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
He might come about to evacuate Noosa Head. I assume
it's pause head to Brisbane as opposed to Noosa Heads,
pause to go to Brisbane, hoping to fly to Auckland.
Still happening Thursday, so tomorrow, very overcast, wind rising but
still warm, eerie calmness. That is Maria who is from Hamilton,
wishes she probably was from Hamilton, but is currently heading

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towards Brisbane, twenty three minutes away from nine.

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Speaker 9 (01:15:30):
Yeah, Noosa Heads, it is and this thing it looks
a lot worse than what you and I talked about
on Monday. Cyclone Alfred. Hopefully people have got their fingers
crossed that it could still head away out to see,
but it doesn't look likely. All predictions my car that
it will hit sometime late Thursday night into early Friday morning. Now,
one of the reasons why the actual time when it

(01:15:52):
might cross the coast, which appears to be just north
of Brisbane, is that the Bureau and experts are predicting
that it's going to coincide with one of the year's
highest ocean tides. Now, that would set up anticipated storm surges,
which is really a big problem. You've got waves off
shore of up to seven meters one hundred and fifty

(01:16:14):
kilometer in our winds and we're talking about the second
most populated area of Australia. I mean, if you've been there,
you know what we're most oft we're talking about. It's
everything from the Sunshine Coast down to the Northern Rivers
of New South Wales. Now, the Northern Rivers area is
that area back in twenty twenty two that got so
badly hit by floods that they've still not recovered. So

(01:16:36):
if they're going to be smashed again, it's going to
be complete disaster. Modeling shows twenty thousand homes at risk
of being innundated in Brisbane, six thousand on the Gold Coast,
and there's no doubt that that impact would be massive
on the community. What does that do while it cancels
three major sporting events that were supposed to take place Thursday,

(01:16:57):
Friday Saturday, that's two AFL games in our game, they've
all just been canceled. And the reason is that the
players of the teams that are based in that region
obviously don't want to get up and fly to Sydney
or Melbourne play matches. They're going to stay there and
look after their families. The competitions themselves made the announcements
yesterday and this is it could be a hell of

(01:17:20):
a disaster, which sets up something very interesting. You and
I've spoken over and over and over again about the election.
I predicted on Monday that it would be probably called
either on Sunday afternoon or Monday morning for April twelve. Well,
the Prime Minister's office is in a flurry this morning.
One of the reasons being, and this might seem trite,

(01:17:42):
but it's a fact when you're calling an election. Peter
Dutton owns a farm and lives on it just outside Brisbane.
And so if you were the PM, would you feel
comfortable getting in the white car heading to the Governor
General's at the house and calling election. Well, Peter Dutton's
trying to save his house from being blown over. So
it's fascinating the impact of that night.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
And so he starts though, and I get it, so
he was going to go this Sunday, March nine court
for April twelve, but he starts to run short on time.
If he can't call it this weekend, then he's getting
squeezed because you need thirty something days, don't you squeezed?

Speaker 9 (01:18:17):
And the timetable then starts to really work against him
because if he doesn't call it by Monday next week,
he is then forced into a May election, which means
he has to have a budget. He can't just say
I can't get him wait and we're going to go
in May. I'm not going to have a budget. The
budget date's already locked in. He doesn't want to have
a budget. He doesn't want to do that. I mean,

(01:18:38):
Australia has a real knack if you're old like me,
an interested in political history, of having elections that's are
surrounded by natural disasters. In nineteen eighty three, Bob Hawk
called an elector, went to an election as the new
leader of the Labor Buddy and we had the ash
Wednesday Bush by it. I mean, it's just the time

(01:18:59):
of year, I guess, but this is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
A real issue.

Speaker 9 (01:19:02):
I mean, we should be more concerned about that people
are going to get smashed by this store.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Well, that's the weird thing. I mean, you say this
time of year, I mean one that part of the
world does not get smashed by cyclone. It's been a
very long time and two and even when March is late.

Speaker 9 (01:19:17):
Yeah, that's right. Nineteen ninety was the last time I
had a cyclone. It was sort I mean, they keep
calling it a tropical cyclone. I don't know why there's
none now needed tropics. I mean, this thing is way
way way south and the people in its past a
lot of sandbaging going on yesterday. I just don't think
the Prime Minister could be seen to be doing that

(01:19:38):
in the middle of what might be a natural disaster.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
No way in the world. Speaking of the campaign itself, though,
this coalition thing that this work from home. I didn't
realize this, but the public service unions cut a deal
so that the government workers while all the rest of
the private sector is trying to get everyone back to
work and save the downtown areas and stuff, the unions
cut a deal whereby government workers can work from home
and now doesn't trying to and it's turned, I note,

(01:20:01):
into a battle of the sexes where women get treated
worse apparently.

Speaker 9 (01:20:05):
Yeah, it's a big problem. I mean you think, I mean,
it seems that the coalition trying to channel Donald Trump
and Elon must say, Okay, if you don't go back
to work by lunch on next Friday, you're going to
lose your job. It's not that simple in this country.
For a start, there is a bargainer and bargaining agreement,
as you point out, which is in forced until twenty

(01:20:26):
twenty seven, so that the Public Service Union, very powerful union,
the CPSU, say well, we're going to oppose any return
to work, and we will actually use the Fair Work
Commission and the legislation that we can use to say no,
we're not coming back to the office. You can't do
that to us. I mean, the deal that you talk
about is quite simple. I mean people who particularly if

(01:20:48):
they're a single parent or a woman, they are allowed
to work from home under the union deal that they
cover the federal government. It's quite clear it would be
a popular thing electorally, but it's very.

Speaker 22 (01:21:00):
What to do?

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
How is it? Just let me ask you us quickly,
while I got you Albanesi. I don't actually think it
was Albanesi, but certainly is government was asked Pat Conroy
the defense industry in US. He was asked about tun
this is this war in Ukraine and whether we put
boots on the ground and peacekeepers and stuff like that.
So on Monday the government goes, no, we're not doing that.
We'll give you a couple of tanks, but we're not
doing peacekeepers. Yesterday Alba goes, yeah, we can do peacekeepers.

(01:21:23):
Do they not think about this stuff?

Speaker 12 (01:21:26):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:21:27):
And this is part of the problem Australians have with
the current government. Man Anthony Albanesi has been a very
weak leader. Let's not be around the bush and he
seems to say whatever he thinks is going to play
well in the electorates that he needs desperately to win,
particularly in Western Sydney. But what he has said there
is we will consider any request for Australian peacekeeping troops.

(01:21:50):
And then he went on to talk about how we
have a history of peacekeeping troops from Australia in places
like Boganville who went to the Pacific Islands, done it
in our region, but was not done it overseas in Europe,
which is a very long way away from where we are.
Peter Dutton immediately came out and said I wouldn't be
in favor of that. So that's set up yet another

(01:22:11):
difference between the two parties. And the lead into an election.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Yeah all right mate, go well, we'll catch up next
week to look for to your company stew price out
of Australia. Just before we leave. By the way, this
Whale thing which I've been endlessly fascinated with, this is
the South Australian government backed by the Federal government. Whale
as the steel works. It just duvetails what's happened in
the middle of the North Island and a couple of
mills because of the price spike and power last year
went bust. People lost their jobs. Whale a small place

(01:22:34):
in South Australia employees directly one thousand people indirectly two
and a half thousand in a town of twenty two
thousand people. It was owned by a British billionaire called Gupta.
It was a complete nutter mess. The reason I mentioned
it today is all the numbers came out. The steel
works was losing one and a half million dollars a
day before being put into voluntary administration. O's credit is

(01:22:56):
one point three four billion, including five hundred and seventy
million who entered his own by this Gupta guy. The
employee entitlements are one hundred and ninety million, the South
Australian government forty million secured creditors to eighty one million
unsecured credits eight hundred and thirty seven million. So the
unions are saying six hundred and nineteen to their members
that wrote that eighty six million, four hundred and twenty
three salaried employees out of pocket to the tune of

(01:23:17):
sixty three million. So the local government along with the
federal government, threw and two and a half billion to
try and save the place. But the numbers are shocking,
so I know, And the point being, if it's losing
one and a half million dollars a day, it's all
very well to save it for now, but what are
you going to do with it? And how you're going
to turn it round? And can you turn it round?
And if you can't turn it round, to what end

(01:23:37):
is the taxpayer on the hook? For forty six.

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At b Mike Trump's speech to the Joint Session should
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to be interested. It's three o'clock New Zealand time this afternoon.
Nine o'clock East Coast time. What I'm looking to see
is whether the Democrats can contain themselves and whether it
just becomes just gargantuan. You know what sort of show?

(01:24:06):
Is it just me? Or was that Wanganui story yesterday
about pack and Save the weirdest story you'd heard in
a very long time? Were you aware about the tax
rules that came into place in twenty twenty three? So
this woman goes to pack and save in Wanganui and
she spends more than a thousand dollars on groceries, which
once upon a time would have been a story, but
I'm not sure it is now. I know what we
spend on groceries a week, and we don't do it

(01:24:28):
all at once. We're not those you know, once a week,
once every fortnight shops and go do some gargantuine trolley shop.
We do it sort of virtually daily, and we wouldn't
spend one thousand dollars. But I mean, you know what
I'm saying, because the cost of groceries and all that
sort of cost of living stuff, then buying a thousand
dollars worth of stuff, if you're doing a big shop
is I wouldn't have thought any more, completely unheard of. Anyway,

(01:24:49):
she turns up, does the thousand dollars, and they tell
her she can't leave the shop that. What they don't
explain is that under this tax legislation you are required,
as a business, apparently to collect certain details for purchases
over a grand to ensure compliance.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
With tax rules.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Now does that apply when you go buy a television
or a fridge or stuff? I mean, because I haven't
bought anything like that for ages. Last thing I bought
was a snow cannon. Now that was about eighty five dollars.
No one asked any questions at all. They might have laughed,
but apart from there, let me go out. The door
was about eighty five bucks. But so I haven't spent
one thousand dollars. And you know, so, is that like
if you buy a fridge or a television, or a car,

(01:25:25):
or a suit or something like that, somebody somewhere is going, well,
maye some of your details? So I get the idea. Initially,
the suggestion was that it may be she had a
stolen card of some description. So you nick a card,
you go in buy up large. Before they realized that
somebody stolen card, I don't know what that is. But anyway,
they didn't handle it very well and they apologized and

(01:25:47):
that was the end of That's just next time you're
out spending one thousand dollars on groceries, don't be surprised
if they put you in a little room in the
corner and ask a few questions. Nine away from nine the.

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Mike ha spent twelve hundred on boos for the Christmas party.
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So if you didn't recognize the voice, it's Meghan, of course.
One of the reviews and it's dropped on Netflix sabernight.
One of the reviews in Britain says, you can see
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The trailer's crap, and I mean the trailer is like
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there isn't it also dovetails. She's got this new company, Azeba,
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