Full Show Podcast: 07 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Ed B while you welcome today the vote, how it unfolded,
what it means where we go locally? We got the
Finance Minister on the job numbers they came out yesterday
as well. Jeremy Kenna is in Italy and Rod Lidtle
is in the UK.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Just a little bit of history, Red Lasky.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Right, let's get into it. Seven past six. I tell
you what the best thing about the result is you
can't argue with it, right, Yeah, you can hate it,
but you can't argue with it. To win, not just
the college but the popular vote gives the result a
legitimacy that is rock solid. As I said yesterday, it's
hard to know what the bigger deal is, a Trump
victory or a Harris defeat. I mean how they will
ask themselves, is it possible with all their money, all

(00:46):
their incumbency, all the endorsements, can they lose to that?
The answer, of course is obvious. That's not the point.
The point is whether they will ever be able to
bring themselves to see it. The lack of planning post
Biden was astonishing. You wonder whether an Obama who wanted
a contested race as opposed to a coronation was right
or would it have made no difference Biden had done
the irreparable damage. Demography does not lead to democracy was

(01:09):
a Kelly and Conway line I liked yesterday. In other words,
treating blacks or women or Latinos as a singular group
and expecting them to act like sheep as a path
to nowhere. Why don't they get that there is a
lesson there for this country to an our debate a
un mara as a message. It's almost like America didn't
realize what they had in Trump last time, or maybe
COVID in the economy was all they really cared about,

(01:29):
and the carnage that they're living through is so great.
They just want better times. If there was a consistent
line I heard over and over and over, it was
I was richer under Trump. I mean, that's uniquely American
when you think about it, you would never hear those
words in New Zealand. I was richer under Key, I
was richer under Luxeen. How do you explain young people?
I mean, Harris underperformed everywhere New York, for God's sake,

(01:54):
they hate them, apparently indicte them, and then vote for
them and increase numbers. Speaking of it's what happens to
us legal wise? And how mad does that all get?
How about the Iowa poll from the Seltzer group that
we fell over. Yes, it was an outlier, clearly, and
a blow to their reputation and Polsters, I would have
thought everywhere, although within the margins they roughly seemed right
these poles, I mean, although the remaining states will probably

(02:16):
go the way we think they are close as predicted.
As I also said yesterday, you've got to admire the
force of nature. He is. He is a lesson in
being unrelenting. For all the madness, dishonesty and illegality, he
overcame it, not once but twice. They will study it
for years and try and make sense of it. Or
maybe they already have made sense of it. And it's

(02:37):
uniquely American, and it's us that thinks it's odd either way, clean, clear, unambiguous,
show stopping, possibly gobsmacking, and the prospect of four years
of who knows what you would like to think? Given
the campaign was slicker this time, much slicker. The presidency
will be slicker this time as well. Little bit of
legacy in the back of their minds. Let's see buckle.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Up news of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
He had to write into the early owls, but he
got there. On the night, it's so clear that we've
achieved the most incredible political They look, what happened? Is
this crazy?

Speaker 4 (03:13):
But it's a political victory that our country has never
seen before.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Nothing like this.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Up the coast in Washington a little bit earlier on
the night, it was twenty sixteen, o liber again, as
the candidate rolled out in the surrogate.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
We will continue overnight to fight to make sure that every.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
Vote is counted, that every voice has spoken.

Speaker 7 (03:36):
So you won't hear.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
From the vice president tonight.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
In the so called blue Wall. All thy finals in
some places on't And yet they decided they like rid again.

Speaker 8 (03:44):
The union guys, and I'm talking about hard coal truckers,
coal miners, steel workers, at least half, at least half
who have voted Democrat their entire lives, voted for Trump
this time.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
DIM's already rolling out the predictable as why they lost.

Speaker 9 (04:00):
You know, it was a hard charge for an African
American woman to win this election, especially when she had
an unpopular person going in before her.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
The markets through the roof will check the numbers with
Andrew shortly, but Elon got on board and Elon is winning.

Speaker 10 (04:16):
One of the things it suggests is that if you
have enough money to be able to give to a
campaign or an American political leader, that that gets you access.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well it does on the street. You got your winners.
You'd like you to lose this.

Speaker 11 (04:33):
We don't mean another former years a higher pleas guys
prices lying.

Speaker 12 (04:39):
Yeah, I don't want an autocrat.

Speaker 13 (04:42):
I don't want someone who is convicted of a felon.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Finally, truth social it was a huge bit if you
had the gonads. You brought into it with the idea
that if Trump won, you had a payday. If it didn't, well,
it was worthless. Well when it got to Sebity last
night was up thirty five. Percy gave it to my
value of just over fifteen billion. His slice of that
grew by one point seven billion to a total of
about nine billion. A good day at the office, good

(05:08):
day at the bank. Here's the world in ninety seconds. Yeah,
bitcoin seventy five thousand. That's going to be interesting to
watch because he's all pro bitcoin. Dow is off to
the races. Musk is worth twelve billion more this morning
than he was yesterday, and so it goes. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
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Speaker 2 (05:29):
We're gonna hear from Harris at ten o'clock this morning,
New Zealand time, where she will officially concede. She's reached
out to Trump. Trump's not taking a call. Soul is tanking.
If you're into sola, forget it. Trump didn't like that
oil's down because he's going to drill, baby, drill. Europe
are wetting their pants with nervousness. God knows what they're
feeling like in the Ukraine. So a lot to play for.
Fifteen past six from Jami Wealth Andrew Keller. Her good morning, Yeah,

(05:55):
very good morning, man. Big are those numbers on the dow?

Speaker 14 (05:58):
Oh my gosh. Well we wanted certainty, didn't we?

Speaker 3 (06:01):
And yeah, to a pretty large degree we got that,
I mean, clear victory, popular vote going to Trump. The
Senate going from I don't think the House is completely
sort of clear yet, is it but let's call it
a very clear and definitive reaction in financial market.

Speaker 14 (06:15):
So the Trump trades are very much in place. So
what have we got. Well, here'sn't in a nutshell. This
is the water call of summary.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
US share markets are higher, US interest rates are higher,
the US dollar is stronger, and global share markets are
kind of mixed.

Speaker 14 (06:30):
I'm looking at Europe. There's no green numbers there.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
They're all in the red.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
So the Europeans a bit down on it, and the
Asian markets are quite mixed.

Speaker 14 (06:39):
But Hong Kong, China, they're they're down.

Speaker 15 (06:41):
Now.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
This Dow Jones it's up one thousand, three hundred and
fifty points. That's a three point one nine percent game,
So that's pretty massive. It's going to be one of
the larger point moves we've ever seen. And yeah, it's
clearly very positive. The Nasdaq up two point four percent,
the S and P five hundred up two percent. It's
sort of illustrative to look a little deeper. Things like

(07:01):
the banks, the industrial small cap firms all lifting promises
of deregulation, tax cuts, as you've just said, though some
industries aren't going to get the sort of I suppose
the regulatory support that they have had previously. Electric vehicle companies,
clean energy. Yeah, they're not going so well. There's an
EnEx might called the Russell two thousand. It's a small
company index. It's up four and a half percent because

(07:22):
it's seen as being very positive for those small businesses.
I look at some companies, Goldman Sachs, the Banks, Goldman Sacks.

Speaker 14 (07:28):
The share price is up twelve and a half percent.
I mean that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
JP Morgan up ten percent, Caterpillar up eight percent, and
of course you've just mentioned Trump's alo and cheerleader Elon
Muski's happy because Saysla's share price is up thirteen percent
in Trump media. If you want to look at something crazy,
go and look at Trump media. Now, I look at
other act classes Mike US treasured yeals, they've spiked higher.
Trump's being seen as pro growth, potentially inflationary. So the
US ten year yield, it's left almost twenty basis points.

(07:53):
So I remind you back in September that was at
three point six. It's now at four point four to five.
So seismic shift there, FED and interustrate decision coming up
before the end of the week.

Speaker 14 (08:02):
Still looking like a twenty five basis point cut.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
But I think what you've got now is heightened uncertainty
about the trajectory of interest rate cuts. Strong UIs dollar,
that means slightly we can New Zealand dollar. It fell
to the low fifty nine, so I'm now setting at
fifty nine to forty three. We need a few days
to see how these currencies settle because very heavy trading,
have lots of volatility.

Speaker 14 (08:22):
Bitcoin surged. How will it affect our markets this morning?

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, the local share market's going to have to decide
over time, what is these stronger force the tailwind from
the surgeon offshore markets, from US markets, or potential headwinds
for the New Zeald economy. It's going to put short
term pressure or upput pressure on our interest rates. So
those longer term rates they already started moving yesterday. Will
have to revisit the markets again tomorrow morning, mart just

(08:47):
to see, let the volatility subside and understand, you know
where the long term trends are going.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
To go from here. Fascinating though, Nichola willis with us
up to seven o'clock. That job number better than expected,
so signs.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Of life though. It's interesting. Yeah, this is the unemployment
rate four point six percent. Four point eight was what
was expected on the face of a bit of a
positive surprise. You've got to look at the detail, though,
and the arbien s Head was suspecting five percent. So
four point six percent unemployment seems like a great outcome.
Look through the numbers, though the labor market is still
softening employment the flip side of unemployment, employment actually fell,

(09:19):
which seems incongruous, doesn't it. What's happening here? The key
to one locking that puzzle is the participation rate, Mike.
The participation rate fell from seventy one point seven percent
seventy one point two. What that means less work, you know,
less people participating in the workforce, and you've got this
is what's called the discouraged worker effect, where people just
give up wages.

Speaker 14 (09:40):
Wages.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
A bit of a mixed bag there, but was lower
than the Arbenz fourcus year and year of three point
three percent. The one thing I want to highlight, Mike,
in these numbers. I was just looking through the numbers yesterday.
The youth unemployment rate fifteen to nineteen year olds twenty
point three percent, twenty to two twenty four year olds
eight point three percent. And I look at that and

(10:02):
I worry because you know, we've seen this, we've seen
the evidence recently. Once people go on to benefits, there's
always a potentially they stay there.

Speaker 14 (10:09):
A long time.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
So what you don't want is these years getting you know,
stuck in that in that space.

Speaker 14 (10:13):
What does it mean for the rbn Z. I think this.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Probably this probably backs of fifty basis point move, not
a seventy five basis point move.

Speaker 14 (10:21):
But what a nightmare, What a day.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
What is incredible? It really was incredible. There's something magical
about America. What are the numbers?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
The dal Jones, as I said, is up one thousand,
three hundred and twenty one points three point one three percent.
The S and P five hundred up two point nine percent.
Five nine three is the mark there. The Nastak eighteen thousand,
eight hundred and seventy nine that is up two point
three nine percent. The four to one hundred lost six
eight one sixty six, the Nick eight they loved it
up a thousand points three nine four eight oh. The

(10:49):
Shanghai composite was barely moved, but down small. I do
know that hangs seeing the Hong Kong market down over
two percent the Aussies. Yesterday they gained point eight three
eight one nine nine. On the ns NEX fifty we
were down nine points twelve, six hundred and forty nine.
Fascinating to see what happens today there Kiwi dollar point
five nine four four against the US, so it's lower

(11:11):
point nine oh four to three against the Aussie point
five to five to three nine Europe point four six
one two pounds ninety one point eight five Japanese yen
gold has fallen quite a bit two thousand, six hundred
and sixty six dollars. It's down seventy five points and
Brent crewd seventy five dollars and sixteen cents. Again, we
need some time to see without all price settles.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
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Speaker 2 (12:04):
It'd be Monie Mike, Trump's winners. A continuation of what's
happened around the world. People are tired of hand ringing left,
Yes and no. There is a movement. John Key said
it on Ryan Show earlier. On this Morning, he spot
on there is a movement in the world. It's not everywhere.
Didn't happen in Australia, didn't happen in the UK? Time
plays a big point to be sick of the incumbent.
That the one I subscribe to each and every time
is is the country going in the right direction? And

(12:26):
when the majority of people say no, you change government.
Happened here, happened in America, Mike, wasn't yesterday a great
day and a great listen to all the lobbies. Do
you think our media will take heat? Answer? No, Mike.
This was a Democratic Party loss more than a Trump
when they got it all wrong. I'm on the fence
on that. John. I hear what you're saying, because it
was an astonishing loss. But I don't think you can

(12:47):
underestimate what historically, speaking in time will tell us what
Trump has managed to do.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
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Speaker 2 (12:58):
Well, you can't talk about the boat without talking about
the media. America divided. Of course, the media divided. This
time Fox are on the right side of it. So they,
in the spirit of being excellent winners, put together a
package to outline just what about of out of touch
loses the CNN, Like the CNN and others are really
like in.

Speaker 16 (13:15):
My humble view, lights out, I think it's going to
be a blowout.

Speaker 12 (13:19):
Actually, I don't think it's going to be a close race.

Speaker 9 (13:21):
I think there are going to be those Republicans.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
That just vote for Harris to be tied on election day.
As always, the polls will be tied and then he'll lose.

Speaker 17 (13:29):
You call us trash.

Speaker 16 (13:30):
Oh oh oh, Jamie Vance, you just stepped up in
a way that I've never seen it. And I worked
for Sarah Palin, and.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
I would say, take Harris over two hundred and seventy
electoral vote. Let these foods in these crypto markets do something.
Let them drive the betting line into a favorable place.
And then take advantage of I think she's going to win.

Speaker 14 (13:50):
It's a month you wrote Trump is toast.

Speaker 7 (13:53):
You stand behind that today.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
Oh even more so, I feel the same way that
I felt a few weeks ago that Trump is toasted.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Kelly and Conway waden.

Speaker 12 (14:02):
Yeah, I personally like to thank the women of the
view tonight.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (14:06):
Question, we're having her on Oprah, we see you, and
so on and so forth. People have thought they were
doing her fever because they made something they meet her
something she's not.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
And this quote from the Newsroom television show going viral.

Speaker 15 (14:19):
You know why people don't like liberals because they lose if.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Liberals America and they lose a goddamn always.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Hey, Kelly and Conway was a highlight. I got to say,
if you wanted insight, she gave brilliant insight yesterday on Fox,
and I still cannot get past if you watch CNN,
I cannot get past the brilliance of John King. No
one stands in front of a television set and dissects
America from the state to the county, to the neighborhood

(14:46):
to the street like John King. Encyclopedic, the skill to
be able to walk and talk to walk and chew
gum and explain stuff. The way he does is next level.
It is so so impressive. Thomas Coglin is in the
middle of Washington, as will as after the news, which
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Speaker 1 (15:02):
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Speaker 2 (15:15):
Vote, but from a UK perspective, Kimmi Bednock, who's the
new Tory leader of course opposition leader officially now head
of first PMQ's and she wasn't holding back.

Speaker 9 (15:25):
The Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary met him in September.
Did the Foreign Sectary take that opportunity to apologize for
making derogatory and scatological references including and I quote Trump
is not only a woman hating, neo Nazi sympathizing sociopath,
he is also a profound threat to the international order.
And if he did not apologize, well the Prime Minister

(15:45):
do so now on his behalf.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
He's good rods up to like thirty Joe mckinnae. With
all the EU reaction out of Bally for you in
a couple of months, twenty three minutes away from seven.
So good news. It's a result on the day votes
building countered, course, but Trump wins not just the electoral college,
but as I said, the real cementing factor is the
popular vote as well. For Harris fans into repeat of sixteen, headquarters,
spokesman wanders out in the early hours of the morning,

(16:11):
tells the candidate won't be showing up and we'll see
you tomorrow. The Herald's deputy political leedits at Thomas Coglin
with there's Thomas morning, Good morning, mate, and've been there
and felt your pain in twenty sixteen. You just wait
and wait and wait. And they know they've lost, but
they just don't want to front. We'll see her later
on this morning. What was the vibe like and when
did it hit them that they were on the losing side.

Speaker 19 (16:30):
Honestly, it hit them pretty early on. So people started
to assemble in the early afternoon. There was a gospel
require and a dance troupe to keep the crowd entertained.
The results started to trickle and as soon as the
polls closed, it was about seven o'clock DC time, and
at that point, you know, Trump had a tiny lead

(16:50):
in some of those early results, and every ten twenty
thirty minutes they updated those results, and that lead just.

Speaker 7 (16:57):
Got bigger and bigger and bigger.

Speaker 19 (16:59):
So honestly, a couple of hours after the results.

Speaker 7 (17:01):
Came through, the writing was on the wall.

Speaker 19 (17:03):
And from from there on, and you know, from sort
of nine o'clock until until the spokesperson came out just
before one am, it was pretty quiet and and and
did really there was There was not a sound. Thousands
of people gathered on this lawn and and all you
hear was the music trying to check them up and
the results coming through.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
On seeing it in twenty sixteen, they couldn't believe it
because it was different. Clinton was going to win. In
their mind, there was no doubt. Do you think they
had the wherewith all those people who gathered together their
thoughts together to a point where they think they just
misread it, got it completely wrong, and they're going to
need to profoundly change the way they see the world
or not.

Speaker 20 (17:41):
I think I.

Speaker 19 (17:42):
Think you're right.

Speaker 7 (17:42):
I actually do.

Speaker 19 (17:43):
I think they had they do realize that they need.

Speaker 7 (17:45):
To profoundly change.

Speaker 19 (17:46):
I don't think what is what is What has you know,
caused that reckoning is just the result of losing the presidency.
I think it's the fact that they lost them. They
looked like they're going to lose the popular vote, that
lost the Senate. They might they might, you know, continue
to be behind at the House and not have the House.
So it's a clean sweep for Republicans. Basically almost every
county has swung Republican. Harris was performed worse than buy them.

(18:10):
I think what has changed, you know, this election versus
twenty sixteen, is that twin sixteen, you know, Clinton won
the popular vote, things were a wee bit different. You
could make an argument about what the Democrats were selling
some people, like twenty twenty four, it's very clear that
what the Democrats had on offer, you know, was just
profoundly inadequate for what people want. But there's no case
that you can make that this is anything other than

(18:31):
the quite a serious depeak for them. So I think
they will be a massive recon Were.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
You surprised yesterday, Thomas, I mean, you've been around bits
of America in your time. There was there something brewing
that we saw unfold or were a little taken Aback.

Speaker 19 (18:46):
I saw some of some of the polls said that
there was a you know, it was a toss up,
and if Trump won, there was a good chance that
he would win by you know, effectively a clean sweep
of the swing States. So I wasn't so surprised by
that because that was that was one of the scenarios
that people said was quite a lucky one. One thing
I had noticed is people here, really there's an almost

(19:07):
universal belief that for all of Trump's faults, you know,
and a lot of people would pulse say it, a
lot of people don't like Donald Trump, for all Trump's faults, life.

Speaker 7 (19:15):
Was better four years ago.

Speaker 19 (19:16):
And everyone would say that to Democrats, Republicans, people who
are on the fence. And you know, for me, as
a New Zealander, hearing that, that sounds a lot to
me like what New Zealanders were telling us last year.
So you know, it was that was the thing that
really swung out. I think you just ask people like
and Trump Trump said this. He would open every rally,
do you feel better off than you did four years ago?

(19:38):
Everyone would say no, you know, and so it's a
real that the writing was on the wall there. People
would say look, I get it. You know, he's not
a very nice guy, but I'm not. I'm not going
to dispute that. But my life was bit of four
years ago, so you know, I'm going to take the
box good stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Trouble Well might appreciate it. Thomas Cogglan, New Zealand Herald,
Deputy political editor. It is the classic line. Is the
country going on the right path in the right direct
if the answers note, you change the government nineteen minutes
away from seven game. So he got the Senate, they
will most likely hold the House, so it is the trifecta.
The question is can they do business?

Speaker 17 (20:12):
Mitch McConnell, Well, I think this shifting to a Republican
Senate majority helps her control the guardrails to keep people
who want to change the rules in order to achieve
something they think is worthwhile is not successful, and so

(20:38):
I think the filibuster is very secure.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
He's come to life, hasn't he. We're sick of old people.
For goodness.

Speaker 15 (20:47):
He was just absolutely physical.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Not generally, but I mean, god, there must be a
lesson about age and energy. I mean, so whatever you
want about Trump is full of energy. But I mean,
by the time you deal with McConnell, and but the
time you deal with Biden, I mean goodness. Eighteen minutes
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
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Speaker 2 (21:08):
Michael, like Trump and is teriff policy is going to
hurt New Zealand, no question about. That's going to make
life harder for a free trading nation. The days of
free traders have said for the last couple of days. Unfortunately,
the last couple of years. Unfortunately, the days of free trade,
true free trade are I think coming to a close.
The world is increasingly isolationist.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
If life was better four years ago, then why did
America boot Trump out? Then? The answer to that is,
you don't know what you've got till it's gone. Six
forty five.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business McKenna.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Morning, good money man. I would imagine the Trump news
is reasonably good for Salvini, for Maloney, for your for
your right leaners, and that particular part of the world
of yours.

Speaker 20 (21:49):
Well.

Speaker 16 (21:50):
Trump's victory will be on the top of the agenda
tomorrow when European leaders meet in Budapest. We've seen plenty
of hearty congratulations, as you might have seen from the
Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney, French President Emmanuel Macron and
some of the other leaders. But there's really a great
deal of fear and nervousness now here about what this
means for transatlantic relations, the future of Ukraine, NATO defense,

(22:15):
and a looming tariff trade war, the factors that most
concerned these leaders.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, exactly, they got a lot on their hands, the
war and of Trump's good to his word, the money
taps off. What does NATO do about that?

Speaker 16 (22:28):
Yeah, well, even before we knew about the Trump victory,
Mark Ruta, the Secretary General of NATO, and Italian Prime
Minister Georgia Maloney met in Rome this week. They looked
pretty chummy, but they looked I think behind the scenes
they're quite nervous the future of this NATO alliance because
Trump was so aggressive about not wanting to get involved

(22:51):
when he was president last time.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
You remember that style. I don't know if you're watching,
I just I was gobsmack. So Trump walks them to
meet Stottenburg as it was then, and the camp are
still rolling and he goes, You've got to get your
people to pay the bill. America's paid the bill for
too long, and you guys don't pay your bill. And
this is all going out live to the world, and
I'm thinking this. These guys hate this. You look at
a guy like Macron, who say whatever you want about him.
It's genteel, it's polite, it's sophisticated. Trump's none of those things.

(23:17):
They must be whetting their pants.

Speaker 16 (23:20):
Yeah, I think they're very, very nervous. He's so unpredictable.
I remember the first G seven meeting that he attended
in Taramina. He didn't even take part in the final statement,
the joint statement. So he runs his own race. And
it's a very aggressive stance that he's taken on both
defense and potentially tariffs. So I think there's a lot

(23:42):
of nervousness.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Here, I reckon. And that's before you get to Germany,
which we talked about on Tuesday, and there busy falling apart,
and they're right. I mean, it's just fascinating to watch now. Meantime,
Salvini and this business of your immigration scheme, where are
you at with that? You're still moving from to Wellbeania
aren't you.

Speaker 16 (23:57):
Well, would you believe there are currently eight mis nagrants
on an huge Italian navy ship making their way to Albania.
Now that just sounds ridiculous to me. But this scheme
is going ahead. We've had certain reactions from Italian judges
trying to oppose efforts to send various asylum seekers back

(24:18):
to their home countries. But this is a bit of
a war inside Italy between the government and the legal system.
And at the moment, the government is pursuing its offshore
migrant scheme in Albania, so we're going to see more
migrants move there, but age doesn't sound like very many
on a major navy ship.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
No, indeed not. Now by way of background, note what's
happened with the Zea dispute, so luftant soa Ita which
came out Aboutatalia and Latalia falls o because they were useless.
You're selling a chunk of Latan, so that whole thing's
falling apart. What's gone wrong, Well, this was.

Speaker 16 (24:55):
A merger deal that's been talked about for quite some
time between Ita Airwa. As you said in Lufthansa, it's
been put on hold by the Italian Finance Ministry because
the German airline was looking for a discount and Luftanza
was set to acquire a forty one percent stake in ITA,
a three hundred and twenty five million euro capital increase,

(25:19):
bringing the total investment up to eight hundred million euros.
But this seems to have stalled and nobody's happy about
it all.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
It's good to have you on the program. Joe catchap
next week. Joe McKenna out of Italy for US this morning,
mic Co. Assume they'll start to groom dvance for the
next election, not make the same mistake as the Democrats.
The advance came across reasonably well. The catwoman thing went
a bit feral for them. But apart from that, he
seems a very articulate young man, youngish man, looks older
than he actually is. I worked out that if they
do this right, does Trump set the table for eight

(25:50):
years of the republican's post this particular term. So, in
other words, twenty four through twenty eight he does well
enough that you feel good about America that twenty eight
through thirty two, thirty two through thirty six is Republican,
which would make twenty years of the twenty years between
sixteen and thirty six, only four for the Democrats? Is

(26:10):
that possible? Ten away from seven?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
The make hosty records with the range rover Villa.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Mike, where's the expect polsters this morning or the media
that we're pushing Harris for months? We'll forget the media
for a moment. The polsters aren't wrong. You've got to
be You've got to be fair about this. That that
outlier poll in Iowa were spectacularly wrong, and the Seltzer's
probably going to not be heard of for a while.
But if you look at the states that are still undeclared,
your Arizona's, you're Michigan's, et cetera. The polls and you've

(26:40):
got to remember, and everybody forgets the Poles come with
a plus or minus of three percent. It's a six
percent variance. So these are close. Michigan's close, Arizona's close.
It's actually a close race. So you can't bag the
polsters for being wrong. The posters weren't wrong. A poll
is a snapshot in time with a variation in tolerance.

(27:02):
It's as simple as that, Mike, did you hear Morris Williamson?
So yesterday afternoon. He couldn't understand why National didn't want
to support getting the Treaty Principles clarified. As he said,
it's hard sorting issues at government level when there's very
little clarity with the treaty. I didn't hear it, but
he makes a solid point. And here's one because this
is the other big talking point today. This is Seymour's
Treaty Principles Bill and what it's going to contain. It's

(27:24):
dead on the water, of course, but we'll talk more
about that later. Here's my thinking on how this is
going to unfold for the next couple of years. I
think National, because they've made a mistake on this and
they've misread the room. National's polling is going to broadly
over the next couple of years drift, not badly, but
a bit, and it will drift to Act in New
Zealand first, as we slowly but surely understand that you
can have three parties in government that agree on most things,

(27:46):
don't agree on everything, but can still coal less relatively successfully,
and that will allow your acts in New Zealand first
to carve out their own niche in certain areas. And
this is Acts niche and I think they'll run with
us in twenty six, of course, which is where this
is going. But I think National is going to pay
the price on them five away from seven.

Speaker 20 (28:04):
Well, the ins and the.

Speaker 12 (28:05):
Outs, it's the bizz with business favor.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Take your business productivity to.

Speaker 20 (28:10):
The next list.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, what about Elon A So Trump's got a job
from Apparently that'll be interesting to see whether he actually
wants that job or whether it ever comes to pass.
But by association, he's already on fire. This morning, Tesla
shares as andrew set are up twelve point seven percent.
It's about twenty five billion dollars. Financial firm web Bush
Securities also thinks Tesla will add another two hundred billion
to their value, which would see another forty two billion
for Elon SpaceX. They're going to do well because last

(28:34):
month under the Biden administration, they got contracts worth one
point one seven billion, and that's expected to increase, especially
if the space station remains as an EPT along with
Boeing as an EPT as they currently are. George Washington University.
The analyst there say that government officials are looking at
Elon's AI company, which is XAI that currently has evaluation
of sixty seven billion, so government work will be shedded

(28:55):
their way. No word whether they want to work with
Neural Link that's the company with thirteen billion that puts
chips inside your brain, or indeed the company that drills
holes in the ground for quick trips to Las Vegas,
or whether indeed Trump will trade the beast and for
a cyber truck. So that's all still to unfold in
the program far as the states of interest to concern
mains uncalled. At this point, Harris will win it. Michigan,

(29:19):
Trump will get that. I reckon Trump's going to end
up with Arizona's the other one. I think he'll probably
pull that one in as well as Nevada. Trump's going
to end up with about three eight ish thereabouts in
terms of the electoral college number, which is freakily similar
to twenty sixteen. It's not a landslide. That's wrong. It
was too big to rig because there is no security.

(29:41):
There is no drama. There is, I mean there's angst,
but it's clear and it's clean. So I don't know
it is what it is. I guess at the end
of the day, we got a new president and we
can't argue. Let's get some more in elvisis up of
the News, which is next here, Rebus Talk, SEC.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
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Speaker 2 (30:12):
Head be seven past seven. It's the trifective of the GOP.
They wouldn't the White House take control of the Senate,
most likely hold the House. I think we can almost
confirm that President elect says it will be a golden
age for America. The Republican Party's former communications director Doug
hayesback with this morning.

Speaker 15 (30:26):
Good morning, good to be with you.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
What's your sense of what his number will eventually be.
I've got him in the low threes, three eight, sort
of twenty sixteen over again, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (30:34):
I mean, if I'm honest, I've stopped looking once it
got to two seventy. What I've seen has been a
dramatic shift, though not just in the states that we
all focused on, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, you know, et cetera.
It's also been a shift in a lot of the
blue states, you know, states that were on nobody's radar screen,
which tells you a whole lot about how the country

(30:56):
has changed and is changing. So New Jersey nobody was
talking about Donald Trump lost it by four points as
opposed to sixteen points last time, Connecticut eight points this
time as opposed to twenty last time, Maryland twenty two
as opposed to thirty three. We're seeing a huge shift
to the right throughout the country. And you know, New

(31:18):
York State is a good example. Trump lost the state
by twelve points, he lost it by twenty three last time,
and Kamala Harris is on track for the worst performance
in New York City since nineteen ninety two. So it's
not just about electoral votes. It's a shift within the country.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
New York got me as well. They height them, they
indicte them. But whoop snow, he don't we'll vote for him.
How does that work?

Speaker 15 (31:43):
Well, look, he still lost the state, but clearly, especially
if you look at New York City, those outer bureaus
that tend to be more heavily Hispanic where Trump has
absolutely overperformed, they voted for him, I have no doubt.
And Jewish voters certainly voted for Trump at a high level.
He clearly lost Manhattan. I don't think there's any doubt
about that. But it tells us that there's real shifts

(32:06):
happening within the country throughout the country. And it's not
just here outside of Pennsylvania or outside of Philadelphia or
suburban Charlotte. It's almost everywhere in the country.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
His campaign this time was much more disciplined and professional.
I thought, is his presidency the same.

Speaker 15 (32:25):
Well, we have to see who he hires. He started
with a very professional team in his early days at
the White House, with Ryan's previous and Sean Spicer being
two of the most prominent examples, and they didn't last
very long. And you know, you're going to have a
surge of people trying to go into this administration, but
they also need to go in with their eyes wide

(32:45):
open of what happened to the previous team. If you
were a press secretary or a chief of staff or
other prominent roles, your life expectancy was similar to a
spinal tap drummer. You might spontaneously combust at some point,
and certainly people going in are going to be mindful
of that this time.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
How do do the Democrat let me put it this way,
do the Democrats have the wherewithal to understand how badly
they've misread this and to fix it and be competitive
in twenty eight or not.

Speaker 15 (33:15):
Well, the wherewithal to understand it absolutely, the willingness to
do something about it may be a very different question.

Speaker 20 (33:21):
And part of that is.

Speaker 15 (33:23):
One of the reasons that Kamala Harris lost wasn't because
of anything she said in the last couple of weeks.
It's because she lost in twenty nineteen when she took
very far left positions to try and flank to the
left to win the primary, which she obviously didn't do.
Those came back to Bider and when we see what
looks at as happened with Hispanic voters, certainly Rule voters,

(33:46):
they're moving more to the right, which means they're rejecting
the more far left policies that are coming from the Democrats,
and they're willing to say, listen, I don't like Donald Trump,
per se, I don't like some of the crazy things
he says. He goes off the rails sometimes, But what
Democrats are doing in policy and fundamentally opposed to and
that's part of the decision they made.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Where do you reckon the Trump victory sits in the
annals of history, a term, a loss a term. How
does that work?

Speaker 15 (34:13):
Well, it's only happened once before, with Grover Cleveland. I
look at this election in terms of nineteen eighty. When
Ronald Reagan won one in nineteen eighty, it was a
generational shift and really propelled our politics for a long time.
The movement that we saw on the ground tells us
with rule voters, especially with Hispanic voters, Trump is probably

(34:37):
going to do better with Hispanic voters than any Republican ever.
And given everything that we've heard about immigration over the
past year, the people who think they know everything would
tell you that's impossible. But the reality is Hispanic voters
also care about a secure border, right, just like they
care about jobs in the economy and so forth. They
don't want to be called Latin X. They just want

(34:58):
a job that provides for their family, secure border and
low crime and all of those things. Trump was able
to speak to those voters, and that's something that you know,
Democrats are going to have to reckon with for a
long time. They could have a very good twenty twenty
six that sort of happens. There's a rebound. Republicans certainly
did in twenty ten after Barack Obama's win in two

(35:19):
thousand and eight. But there's something generally, generationally that's happening
on the ground, and that's what Democrats need to not
only reckon with and realize, but work to fix.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Well, it's good to have you on the program, Doug
Doug Hay Form of Communications Directed for the Republican Party
twelve and that's passed seven Paskett. It is called Michigan.
Another fifteen into the pop two ninety two. They've got
trumpet at the moment, Mike, it's terrible the Harris went
to bed and didn't speak to his supporters. I don't
blame her in the sense Hillary didn't. She was in
tears back at the Pennsila around the corner from the
Jebbet Center. But nevertheless they couldn't say anything. You don't

(35:50):
appear until you either conceit or you win, and if
you're up like watching. It's why Trump had to hold
on so long. He needed the numbers before he could appear.
He couldn't appear and go, look it feels good. I'll
come back to you when it's official. Same way she
couldn't say, doesn't look very good, so I'll come back
when we lose, so I don't blame and Mike, thank
you for your excellent, clear and neutral reporting on the
US election. That's how really good journalism should be, and

(36:12):
easy to listen to. Very kind to say, I'm doing
nothing else. Anyway. We were never going to get a
free trade agreement with America. Mic, There's no way, Iowa farmers,
we're going to let that happen. Do not read Trump
and his isolationism. It will place too much weight on it.
We never got a free trade deal with Biden. We
never got a free trade deal with Clinton or Bush,
nor were we ever going to Republican and Democrat Americans

(36:36):
are not free traders, never have been, never will be.
Thirteen past the.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
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News Talks at.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
B Doug Moraine is a former La Times editor. There's
a story in that and given what the endorsement argument
broke in the last couple of weeks anyway, but he
wrote a book called Carmela's Way in American Life. He's
with us after seven thirty back home though for a
minute sixteen seven couple of things won the job's numbers.
Unemployment up to four point eight, not as bad as
they thought. Also, we got the Reserve Bank Stability report.
This week's the Finance Minister Nicola willis with us. Very

(37:09):
good morning to you.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Do you fear Trump and tariffs?

Speaker 11 (37:14):
Look new?

Speaker 4 (37:15):
The olympe's a great relationship with the United States, and
we're looking forward to building a good relationship with the
new Trump administration. Of course, for a trading nation, we
continue to want to grow our trade with the United
States of America and.

Speaker 21 (37:28):
We will look to do so.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I was saying before the break, they've never been free traders.
We've never had a proper free trade deal with them
under Clinton, Democrats or Republicans. And yet if you look
at the numbers we're selling in there, and we're selling well,
are you hopeful that can continue?

Speaker 4 (37:43):
So we'll look out it sports into the States through
sixteen percent in the past year. Do Americans like our wine,
they like our red meat, they like coming here as tourists,
they like our services, and I think that will continue
to be the case. We also like American products, So
trade is ultimately about the exchange of value. That makes
sense on both sides. I think it will continue to

(38:04):
make sense for both of our nations to trade with
each other.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Right, jobs yesterday four point eight not as bad as
they thought. There is more to come. But I just
wonder if whatever is to come is not going to
be as bad as some might have thought.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Well, you're right, Treasury was full cast on that inflation
would be at five point two percent by now, or
the bank set it would be five, and it came
in at four point eight. The problems though, with getting
too optimistic at this point is that inflation is always
comes down and then the economy starts recovering, and then
employment is a lagging factor. So even while the economy

(38:40):
is recovering, unemployment can stick around a bit. So we
can expect it to keep rising a little bit over
the next little while. But yeah, maybe it doesn't go
as high as some of the more pessimistic forecasts we're saying.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
I see a grind for the rest of the year
and maybe into next year. But those who say it
will peak at six I think. And if you read
the RB thing today this week, which I'm sure you did,
there talk around mortgage stress and that kind of thing.
I just think they're too pessimistic, aren't they.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Well, look as I always say there's mixed things happening
across the economy. What we know is that with interest
rates coming down, that has had some immediate impacts. You've
got such a large group of New Zealanders now with
a mortgage that they're refixing within six months, so you're
going to see an immediate effect coming into the economy
of lower interest rates. That is confidence. You're seeing it

(39:30):
coming through in the business confidence numbers, Mike.

Speaker 21 (39:32):
People are still.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Saying, look a bit worried about how the economy is
right now, but feeling very optimistic about next year. In fact,
those numbers that are about ten year high year ahead optimism.
So those are all positive things. We can see those
green shoots coming through. But I am not going to
say that everything is going to be wonderful yet, because
there's always downside risks as well.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
No fair enough, Hey, when are you coming on the
program to tell us all about the future of key
we Bank.

Speaker 21 (40:00):
Look.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
I hope to do that later this year. I haven't
taken proposals to cabinet yet, although I do intend to
do that next month, and I'm optimistic that we can
come up with something that will allow Kiwibank to have
more capital that will allow it to grow, that will
bring more competition into retail banking.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Good stuff. Nice to talk to you, Nicola Willis, Finance Minister.
The other big thing that's happening in Parliament full of
banks today is the David Seymore Treaty Principles Bill More
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older debates and bits of legislation given it's going to
die death in Philly short order, or is it, And
that in part is what's driving the almost hysterical opposition
to it. Also hysterical because of course it's David Cymore
and the lefties and lovees hate him. The bill essentially
wants to have a country where we're all treated Equally,

(42:05):
you don't get to the front of the queue because
you Mara. You don't get locked out of education because
you Mara. You don't have special treatment based on race.
We should, of course have not needed the bill or
the debate. We should be one country, same rules, same deal.
But sadly that is not the case in an attempt
to right past wrongs. Let's be clear, there is no
doubt there have been some egregious wrongs towards Murray, but

(42:25):
in trying to put those right, we have overcorrected, over
interpreted a document that's opened a huge amount of interpretation
anyway and ended up a very divided society. The exercise,
in whatever format took, was always going to cause angst,
but this has been next level. I suspect because of
the other race related matters the government's looking to correct.
At the same time, the courts and their interventionism haven't helped,

(42:47):
and the white Tangi tribunalists done little more than stir
so we are where we are. Seymore argued he was
hoping for the power of persuasion to change National's mind
on support. So many of us would be so keen
on the bill that National would have to adjust their stance.
That won't happen, which means the bill will be supported
to first reading and die there. We'll die for now

(43:09):
is the long play, the idea that act to have
a policy they can build on in twenty six, grow
the vote and enact another day. In other words, this
is just the start. Hasky. My unemployment. Had the participation
rate remained unchanged, it went backwards a little bit. The
unemployment rate would have been five point three percent in
the market would have been gunning for seventy five basis
points at the next RB meeting. But it didn't, and

(43:31):
so they won't. And so I think you've got fifty
before Christmas. They'll come back in feb. Would it be
twenty five or fifty in feb big gap between meetings.
Let's see, Mike, have you read the scene an article
Trump's return to power raisst serious questions about the media's credibility. Yes,
I have. There is no shortage of that sort of
reading to be done around the place. And it's and
you know, if you're a regular. My views on the media,

(43:52):
the modern day media, and my great despair, worry and
concern for them, and another example of which unfolded yesterday.
You can do one of a couple of things. My
problem with the media is quite simple. Either they can't
read the room, and for some that's the case. Or
they can read the room but they don't know how
to change. Or they can read the room, but they
don't want to change because they don't care. And you

(44:13):
look at the Democrats, it'll be interesting insight into whether
they're capable of changing. They know they were wrong. I mean,
as I said at the end of the programme yesterday,
to think you can go to the people in America
and vote on abortion as an issue is ridiculous. Most
of the states in play abortion is not an issue.
It's never been an issue women's rights. I mean, what
the hell is does that even mean? You look at
the Labour Party in this country. Are they capable of

(44:36):
majorly changing I see no evidence of it so far.
Are they capable of seeing where this country is at
the moment and the popularity of the government of the
changes that are being made, or are they just whiners
who will go to the next election whining and offering
tax increases and therefore another defeat. I look at the
Coalition in Australia, who got spanked under Morrison, but under Dutton,

(44:57):
who was allegedly unelectable. He looked around. I saw a
couple of issues, one of them which is nuclear, ran
on nuclear. Next thing you know, Elbanez has helped them
because he's incompetent. But next thing you know, based on
a couple of good, proactive issues, Dutton's electable, Dutton's in
the race, Dutton's leading in the polse. So it's how
you react as you get knocked down, it's how you
get back up again. But as regards the media, it's

(45:19):
whether they want to get back up again, and if
they do, decide they do, whether they've got the wherewithal
who actually do it? Actually, speaking of the media, a
member of the aforementioned for you in a couple of moments.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,
like my costing, breakfast with the range rover, the la
designed to intrigue and use.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Concept be designed back on the program after eight o'clock
are worth three yesterday for you. Meantime, are twenty three
minutes away from a tremendous amount of soul searching. Now
for the Democrats, of course, a one term president, a
defeat to a bloke. They told you should never ever
be anywhere near power ever again, and yet America could
not agree. Less, it seems former Allay Times or an
author of Camels Way in American Life, Dan Marine's with us. Then,

(46:03):
very good morning to you, Well, good morning to you.
Were you surprised?

Speaker 20 (46:10):
Yeah, I thought, well, I certainly thought it would be
closer than it is. And I actually thought Harris was
going to win, you know, well I.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Know, but yeah, well based on what.

Speaker 20 (46:24):
Well I thought she had momentum. So so here are
a couple things that I thought, really, we're gonna tip it.
She raised over a billion dollars to his less than
four hundred million dollars. Now, money doesn't always determine the outcome,
but it sure helps. And she had this incredible get

(46:46):
out the vote effort in the swing states, and he
was relying on on something that was much less organized
than what the Democrats did. So and those were the
two factors that I thought met that she was more
likely than not to win. And also there was that

(47:07):
poll out of Iowa over the weekend that showed her winning,
and I thought that that was that would be quite telling.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, anyways, it was right, again, what do I know?

Speaker 20 (47:16):
I thought Hillary Clinton was going to win in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
That was different. It's funny that because it was one
of the sort of seminal moments of my life. I
happened to be in Manhattan at the jab At Center
in sixteen, and it was different to the extent. People
didn't just think Clinton was going to win. She was
going to win. She was going to be the first
woman president, and they just could not get their head
around it that she didn't whereas I suspect this time, yeah,

(47:42):
you wanted her to win. Yeah she could win, but
it wasn't the same thing. Is that fair?

Speaker 20 (47:48):
Yeah? Well, I was an editorial page editor at a
regional paper in Sacramento, b and wrote the editorial welcoming
Hillary Clinton as the next president, and before that ran,
of course, he won Trump one and I had to
rewrite it and welcome Trump as an ex president. So yeah,
people were absolutely convinced this was close. You know, this

(48:13):
was close, and I mean certainly until last week I
thought it was a toss up, and then but over
the weekend it came to conclude that, well, she was
more likely not to win. But you know, again, what
do I know these are you know, we are such
a divided country. We're not the only one. You know,
there is this populous move in many countries around the nation.

(48:38):
It's kind of surprising that it's here, but here we are.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, what's your view, by the way, and I'm glad
you're on the program given what's happening with the Washington
Post in the LA Times. What's your view with endorsement?
Is that now done as a thing at election time?

Speaker 20 (48:53):
No, it's not. But I also think that that how
one endorses in a presidential campaign really doesn't matter. People
have so much information they know who they're going to
vote for for president. But on down the ballot, you know,
we vote for judges here, we vote for school board members. Here,
we vote for you know, all kinds of offices, and

(49:16):
in those instances, a newspaper, a news organization endorsement really
does matter, but less so for president. I don't exactly
understand the thinking of Patrick Sounscheng, the owner of the
Los Angeles Times, or Jeff Bezos, the owner of the

(49:38):
Washington Post. What their motivation was. They say it was journalistic.
I wonder whether there was some business reason these news
organizations are not their main business interests, as you know exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
But I ill said there's a credibility issue with the
media anyway, and endorsement doesn't help. You would disagree with that.

Speaker 20 (50:02):
Well, it's not as if The Washington Post is going
to be viewed as a pro Trump news organization. It's
it's it's highly critical. It's columnists or by and large,
very critical of Trump. So you know, it's viewed as
a liberal news organization. You know, it's news. It's news
is the news, but it also has the reputation of

(50:25):
being liberal.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 20 (50:26):
Maybe there may be something to that, but I don't
think that was the real reason.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Having written Kamala's why in American life? Will they pin
it on Kamala? Will they pin it on Biden? Will
they pin it on both of them? Or can they
pin it on the democratic view of the world in general?

Speaker 20 (50:45):
Well, you know, we're gonna we're going to be picking
over this for for months, if not years. What what
what happened in this election?

Speaker 11 (50:54):
Uh?

Speaker 20 (50:56):
You know, I think Kamala Harris ran as good a
race as she possibly could have run in a three
month period of time. You know, Joe Biden stuck it
out until until he couldn't stick it out any longer
and then pulled out. You know, who knows. Maybe if
he had pulled out early, if he had announced two
years ago that he wasn't going to run for reelection,

(51:18):
there would have been an open primary and on the
Democratic side, and they would have found it out. Nobody
knows yet, there are you know, Trump ran on the
economy and and things do cost more today than they
did four years ago. Now there are a bunch of

(51:39):
reasons for that, but his argument was that he will
be better for the economy, and and you know, people
vote their pocketbook. That's certainly the case. They clearly were
not thinking about Ukraine when they went into the voting
booth by and large that you know, that's going to
be a huge, big.

Speaker 7 (51:59):
Result.

Speaker 20 (52:00):
I think file out from this election.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
One of a number I suspect, Dan, listen, I appreciate
talking to you. Nice to meet with you. Dan Moraine,
who was the former La Times editor and author of
Carmela's Way an American Life, seventeen minutes away from a
Bosking Mike on the question of the media, I'm interested
in your opinion as to whether we have an unbiased
quality investigative journalist or two in this country. I don't
see much evidence. I'll come back to that, Mike. Could

(52:23):
you explain how the keys to the White House work again?

Speaker 5 (52:28):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, mister Lickman Allen, who'd never got it wrong apart
from once, and who became famous. He became particularly famous
for sixteen. And I didn't think sixteen was that hard
to call, but people in America didn't he call it.
And the day he became a hero, he up until
the last minute was reaffirming, affirming and reaffirming. Karma. Karmela,

(52:50):
karmla a karmal A. Carmela was going to win. And so,
like the Seltzer team in Iowa, mister Lickman's probably not
going to have his phone ring quite as often as
it used to.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
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Speaker 2 (53:07):
Be we got the word that Harris has got through
to Trump to congratulate him and talked about the importance
of a peaceful transfer of power and being a president
for all Americans. Usual lines, et cetera, et cetera. She's
still yet to front. She's due at ten o'clock four
o'clock Eastern time in America to officially concede. Be interesting
to see what she's got to say, Mike Zelenski, got
prepared for a get prepared for a peace settlement. I'll

(53:29):
be fascinated to see how that unfolds. Because he talks.
He talks big on a lot of stuff. Trump he
can drill. Drilling's easy. He'll drill from oil and so
he'll be good to his word. But he's going to
fix the war, and so it's going to be interesting
to see how he's going to do that. Mike, you're
going to eat your hat. Trump win California. No, No,

(53:51):
I'm not going to eat my hat because Trump didn't
win California. For all the information that's out there in
the world, it still astonishes me that even when the
facts are right in front of you, you somehow think
the facts can't be Trump has not won California. Republicans
don't win California. They called California with fifty four percent

(54:12):
of the vote in because Carmalo and California hands down,
this guy is that Just not to be confused. We
talked earlier on about New York. Don't think that he
won New York either. What a lot of a lot
of what happened yesterday was him overperforming in some of
the votes young people, Latino's black. He didn't win the vote,

(54:33):
he didn't get all of the black vote, he didn't
get anywhere near the black vote. He just did better
than he used to do. She did worse than Biden.
So the Democrats still win New York. They're still Democrats
still win California. The Democrats still win the vast majority
of the black vote. It's just they underperformed and he overperformed. Mike.
This guy's textbook didition of definition of why Carmela lost.

(54:54):
I got that sense. I watched you. I got to
give props to say Jake Tapper on CNN yesterday. Now
you'll know where Jake Tapper comes from if you watch CNN.
But he held it together well and he presented creditably.
Van Jones, on the other hand, he's one of those
guys just can't hide it. And that guy we just
talked to Moraine, nice guy, sounded like a nice guy.
He doesn't get it, he doesn't understand it. He can't

(55:16):
work out. I said, why do you think she lost?
And why did you think she was going to win
because they had the ground game. They didn't have the
ground game.

Speaker 15 (55:24):
And the other interesting thing. The first thing he said
was they spent more money.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah, as though that does it. Money helps, but money
doesn't buy an election. But they had a ground game.
No they didn't. Because you saw the result and Iowa
came out. Yes, it did, and we got excited about Iowa.
But guess what. Iowa was wrong. So some people will
not see, can't see. That's what I was trying to
say about the media. Some people don't know how to

(55:48):
see and go right. I was wrong? Why was I wrong?
Therefore do I want to see, look, or act any
different than what led me into this particular place in
the first place. And that takes us back to the
answers the New Zealand media question. Broadly speaking, the answers
now in a way from mite.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
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Speaker 2 (56:09):
You know I FRO might devide this week In Australia,
I've a recruitment firm's view on what they're seeing from
Jeans Zaida's. The claim was we're seeing them telling recruiters
they won't get out of bed to listen. One hundred
grand a year. Robert Walter's Brisbane senior director, Jane Lownie
is with us on this giant morning to you.

Speaker 21 (56:24):
Good morning, Mike, how are you very well?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
You reckon? It's true.

Speaker 21 (56:28):
I think it's a little bit harsh, to be honest.
I personally haven't heard the quote of not getting out
of bed for one hundred thousand. I think that was
Naomi Campbell back in the day for a hundred for
a million. But yeah, look, certainly there's sentiments that are
you know, in the workforce right now around their expectations.
We recently surveyed five thousand employees across Australia and New Zealand.

(56:52):
But the thing I would point to is the sentiment.
Whether you slice it by nationality, age, or kind of
in industry background, the sentiments are broadly the same. So
I think the whole workforce is looking for things that
are you know, pretty aligned salary, career progression, work life balance.
So I do agree things like work life balance and

(57:13):
the opportunities to work from home are high on people's
priority list at all ages or all generations. So I
do think gen Z get a bit of a hard
time at the moment.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Is it up to the recruiter to get the person,
or the person to get the recruiter.

Speaker 7 (57:27):
Look.

Speaker 21 (57:27):
I think you can do both. I think you know,
obviously there's a fair bit of migration happening from New
Zealand to Australia right now, and I always encourage people
who are coming to a new country to be proactive
in their job search. You'll pick from my accent. I'm
not a local either, so we made the move across
the world. You know, ten years ago, international moves have
been very normal. They just seem a little bit more

(57:48):
heightened at the moment because there's that kind of what
I'm calling the post COVID hangover, of pent up desire
to go overseas. But I don't think it's trending, you know,
any more aggressively than it had done. You know, twenty eighteen,
nineteen twenty, you go on, you're oe, you do a
couple of years, you come back. You know, that's a
pretty normal transition in terms of the recruiters find. We
certainly head on search and seek out talent for our clients,

(58:11):
but equally, you know, we're a global brand, so we
find a lot of people come to us looking for
us to represent them. Into the market.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Fantastic good and so I appreciate you so very much.
Joane Larnie, who's up early for us in Queensland this
morning out of Robert Walters in Brisbane. You'll note the
lilta the Irish accent. I'm led to believe tomorrow is
the day in Ireland that they'll be calling an election.
A head I where is it? There it is, I've
got it in a poll out of Ireland Finna Gael,
fin a fayl. Gail's still ahead twenty six, fin of

(58:42):
fail twenty shin feine eighteen. The Greens who are involved
in the government at the moment, they're on four, so
they're expected tomorrow to call a vote and will be
interesting too. A lot of democracy going on in the
world at the moment. Four minutes away from Mate asking Mike,
we have a holiday in the States in January with
our three teens. We didn't look at dates when we
booked and we're in Washington two days before the inauguration.

(59:03):
Is that a good idea? It's not only a good idea,
it's a brilliant idea. And if your kids didn't know
you didn't look at the dates, say oh, we looked
at the dates. It was very important for you to
be there for the inauguration, because never let history pass
you by, especially if it's around the corner. And having
been to Washington, it's one of the great It surprised me.

(59:23):
Of all the places I've been in the world, Washington
surprised me more than anything. I wasn't looking forward to
going to Washington. I couldn't care less about Washington. Washington
blew my mind. Washington is phenomenal as a place to
visit in terms of history of political importance. And if
you can be on the mail on inauguration Day, even
if you're at the back, wrapped up because it'll be cold,

(59:45):
even at the very back, and your witnessing and part
of history, do not miss it for anything.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
It is seven past eight, so let's wrap her Wat's
told of the in America these past twenty four hours.
The counting rolls on, of course, and we're still here
from Kamela Herris. She's coming in just under two hours time.
Apparently the Republicans have done enough to grab the White
House and control the Senate. It was a clean result
in Philly, obvious as our afternoon rolled into evening. There's
also history at play, of course, given a former president
running for office having been booted out doesn't happen every day.

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Nick Bryant is back with us, NICKT morning to you.

Speaker 6 (01:00:32):
Hey, Mike, it's art like we've seen that movie before
when we were together in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Well, I'm glad you raised that because last night when
I was watching in the Washington Square and the guy
wandered out in the early hours of the morning and
said she won't be appearing tonight. Bang. I was straight
back at the jabb At Center in sixteen. It was
like two point zero, wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:50):
It really was.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
I remember that night. Everybody was told to go home.
John Potesta, who was a campaign chief, came out and
said the candidate will be speaking tomorrow, and you know,
at that point it's all over.

Speaker 8 (01:01:03):
I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
Hillary Clinton, of course, had that massive glass ceiling above
her stage that she was figuratively supposed to smash. Kamala
Harris hadn't gone for that kind of symbolism, but still
devastating for her. She's just actually called up Donald Trump
to concede. Apparently she's stressed the importance of the transfer
of power and also that he should try and govern

(01:01:25):
for all of Americans. But I think one of the
key stats in this election is he hasn't only won
the electoral College vote, it looks very much like he's
going to win the nationwide popular vote as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Exactly. Glad to have you on as always, but specifically
your experience in what they call the rust belt, those
states that maybe a part of America that we in
New Zealand, having gone to Los Angeles and New York,
don't get when you get into those places. That's where
Trump again won. What is it about that world that
we don't see, get or understand that they look at

(01:01:58):
him and go, You're the savior.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
That was always the seed bed of Trump is and
Mike I was camped out there in twenty sixteen, and
those empty factories and those derelic steel mills became echo
chambers for make America great again. You know, Bill Clinton,
Mike had spoken about building of Bristol of the twenty
first century, how the manufacturing economy would be replaced by
a kind of information economy. But if you were living

(01:02:22):
in the Rost Belt, that bridsto of the twenty first
century felt more like a bypass. You felt like an
economic castaway in a system that it was becoming ever
more globalized, ever more digital, ever more confusing. And I
think you know that the economics of the Rust Belt
obviously still still play into it. You know, you're throwing

(01:02:45):
inflation as well. I mean, everybody's spat in the old
Clintonian cliche about it's the economy stupid. Well, I think
it's the felt economy stupid, because a lot of the
economic indices are pretty good for America right now, but
not in those communities. And also so you know, it's
the inflation stupid. I mean, if you are living with
higher gas prices and higher grocery prices and you're paying

(01:03:05):
more for the mortgage, you know you're not too happy
and you're going to take out your rage. And once again,
I think you know, Donald Trump's become a bit of
a protest candidate for these people who feel that they're
not being listened to, they're not being heard, and one
way that they do get heard is to vote for
Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Exactly. Is that why the Democrats lost because on the economy,
on immigration, they hadn't done anything, and they had a
record of not doing enough, and therefore they couldn't defeend it.
So they started talking about abortion and that was the
end of it for them.

Speaker 20 (01:03:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
Look, I think some of their focus grip told them that,
you know, putting democracy on the ballot would work for
them again in twenty twenty four as it had done
in the midterms in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 7 (01:03:46):
I think that was a key thing.

Speaker 6 (01:03:47):
I think they saw what happened not just on januaryes
are sick, but what happened on twenty twenty one, but
what happened on June the twenty four, twenty twenty two.
That was when the Supreme Court overturned Row versus Way.
They thought that was going to be a big vote
winning as it was in twenty and twenty two. And
I think you know, in the midterm elections, they did

(01:04:08):
better than expecting, and you know what that made them
do is stick with Biden. I think, you know, when
you look back at the history of this, I think
the fact that Biden did better than expected and Democrats
did better than expected in twenty twenty two made them think,
you know, maybe Joe can win us another four years.
And of course at that stage he was very old.

(01:04:30):
You know, we were to learn later quite had dottery
and old he'd got. And if they'd have done badly
in twenty twenty two, I think there would have been
a grand swell in the Democratic Party. We need to
find a new candidate, We need to find a better
candidate than Joe Biden. There would have been a primary system.
Kamala Harris would have had to compete with other Democrats
who might have had a better claim and might have
been better candidates.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
And yeah, well that's what I wanted to ask. Was
Obama actually right because he was one of the few
who said just hold on here, let's think about it,
maybe have a vote. Was Harris a mistake? Could they
have found somebody that would have made a difference, ordered
Biden bury them?

Speaker 6 (01:05:07):
Yeah, here's my take on that, Mike. I mean, Obama
wasn't the only one. Nancy Pelosi as well, she wanted
some kind of speedy, little kind of mini primary. When
Joe Biden finally decided to release that white knuckle grip
on the torch, you know, he really wanted to run again.
Didn't he, and this was part of the problem. He
loved being president. He thought he could win the Rust Belt.

Speaker 14 (01:05:26):
He thought, he.

Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
Said, a better chance than Kamala Harris, which is one
of the reasons why he stayed on for so long.
But yeah, I mean, it's going to be one of
the big what ifs. The problem Mike with trying to
find another candidate was you risk splitting the Democratic Party,
and you risked annoying the most loyal constituency of all,
which is African American women. There were senior Black Democrats

(01:05:50):
like Jim Clive and a very influential congressman in South Carolina.
As you know, he's part of the reason why Biden's
the president.

Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:05:58):
They were saying, if it's not Joe, it's gotta be Karmela.
There were other people saying that too. Is they'd have
had that kind of process and ended up with a
candidate I don't know, like Gretchen Whitner, who's shown that
she can win the Ross Belt state of Michigan not
just once but twice, or something like Gavin Newson, the
California governor. Maybe they would have stood a better chance.
But in finding that better candidate, they risked splitting the

(01:06:22):
Democratic Party into.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Exactly Hold on, mate, We'll come back and talk about
the future of Trump at the moment. Nick Bryant thirteen Past.

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Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Talks sixteen past, Like Nick Bryan's, whether's Nick your sense?
My view of the Trump campaign this time around was
it was more professional, more slick, better organized. Was that
your view? And does that get reflected in a second
term or not?

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
Look, there's all these great stories about the divisions within
the Trump campaign between a campaign who really just wanted
to focus on the economy literally asked that Reagan question,
are you better off four years ago than you? Are
you better off now than you were four years ago?
The answer of which is obviously no. And the campaign
high command then going a bit crazy when Trump did

(01:07:11):
the weave as he calls it, when he starts talking
about hadim a lecta and all the crazy stuff. But yeah,
they I think at the top they had you know,
two real pros running things, no question about it. I
mean the Democrats thought they had his financial advances, that
the Democrats thought they had this organizational advantage and they
have a very good grand game. They good at getting
votes out. But yeah, I mean, you know Trump's I

(01:07:34):
mean that the whole we've kind of worked for him,
didn't it. I mean, talking about the economy, talking about immigration,
all the other kind of stuff and the crazy stuff,
and the we've wasn't sufficiently off putting to voters to
put them off.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yeah, So he's going to drill for Royal so he
can do that, and that's easy. And the if you
look at the markets this morning, they've responded favorably. Ken
he fixed the war, Kenny salt Putin? Can he solve
the Middle East? Does he get to do any of
that or not?

Speaker 8 (01:08:01):
Wow?

Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
It's just to go into this world. It's just also
mind blowing, isn't it in many ways? You know, let's
boil that down. What can he do straight away? Well,
one thing we think he'll do is obviously impose far
more tariffs, and that would intensify the trade war with China.
I mean, you know, it's interesting the markets have reacted

(01:08:22):
in this way. Perhaps they're just happy about the certainty
of the moment. Perhaps they're reflecting the kind of impact
on sort of energy companies who are going to be
able to drill now with that kind of environmental regulations
that have visits in the past. But there is a
sense if there is a trade war, it won't only
kind of inflate prices in America, which could increase interest rates.
That could lead to as if global downturn. I mean

(01:08:44):
I live in Australia. There's been some modeling here that
suggests it's going to dip GDP by one point two
percent if there is a deepening of the trade or
so that that'll be a concern. Yeah, environmentally, you know,
he'll pull out of Paris again, as he did. I
was with him the last time he pulled out of Paris.
You know, it's so hot that down Brosegarden bke that
our phone stopped working. You know when you get that
temperature thing on your phone, if anything symbolize what was

(01:09:05):
at stake, the discrepancy between what was coming out of
the President's math.

Speaker 20 (01:09:09):
It was my phone not working. My computer would work.

Speaker 6 (01:09:12):
I've never had that before.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
My laptop would not wreck because it was so hot.

Speaker 6 (01:09:15):
But he'll pull out of He'll pull out of Paris. Obviously,
that has massive ravigations around the world. When you know
the world's you know, most powerful country and its second
biggest pollutera pulls out of a global climate change agreement
like that, Yeah, we're we're back in trump Land again.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Yeah, exactly does he and I'm sort of pontificating here,
does he sit the table for the Republicans in twenty
eight or in other words, the Republicans and JD Vans,
whether it's him or not, can can go and propel
themselves into four slash eight years or is he so
unique that it ins in twenty eight?

Speaker 20 (01:09:51):
Loo?

Speaker 6 (01:09:51):
I think Trump isn't it's Trump? I mean, you know
that's been proven over and over again. You know when
when Trumpyan candidates stand up often, you know, they just
do particularly well because they haven't got this magnetism that
he's got. They haven't got the sort of chrisma that
he's got, they haven't got this sort of personal cult
following that he's got. I do think trump Ism needs Trump.
The other thing I'd say, looking forward back is what

(01:10:12):
we've seen here is something quite new in American politics
in recent times, which is, you know, you've had one
term of Trump followed by one term of Biden followed
by another Trump. You know, you don't generally get consecutive
one term presidencies. You generally get you know, the pattern
more recently has been, you know, Clinton not two terms,

(01:10:34):
Bush got two terms, Obama got two terms. Now you've
had one Trump one Biden one Trump.

Speaker 7 (01:10:40):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
So what I'm saying is there's a big mood of
anti incumbency. And this is a global thing, right, This
isn't just in America. There's rage out there. It's inflation driven,
it's economy driven, and a lot of governments aren't sticking
around for long. You know. You look at Britain, it's
got a new government, and the new government is already hated.
It's only been there about five months. You know, the

(01:11:03):
politics at the moment of the world are very febra.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Where do you, Rickham, as you and I will gather
in thirty years time when we're seriously old and mean
and we'll look back, we'll look back on what Trump was,
what he is, and what he was about. Where where
do you reckon he sits? How remarkable is he?

Speaker 7 (01:11:22):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
Look, my argument in the book The Forever War is
that Trump is as much a product of American history
as Abraham Lincoln, as John F. Kennedy as Ronald Reagan,
as Joe Biden, a Barack Obama. It's just the history
that we tend to forget, overlook and sometimes conceal. And
it's a history, Mike that often contradicts the grand narrative

(01:11:44):
that a lot of people like to buy into that
America is this story of progress, that America's history of advancement.
You know, you get Barack Obama the first African American president,
so you're going to get the first female president, Hillary Clinton.
Now that didn't happen in twoenty and sixteen, as both
of us know, and there was this feeling, well, if
America is going to progress, it's going to have a
black female president. You know, history doesn't work like that.

(01:12:05):
American history doesn't work like that. Trump taps into a
kind of natives't that's always been there. There's always been
a strong men have always done well. The week tend
to get discarded, which is why Joe Biden didn't stand
any chance of getting re election. You know, Conspiratorialism has
always been part of the American story. You know, it's
the it's the American story that people kind of like

(01:12:27):
to turn away from. They want to avert their gaze
from but it's a history that makes sense of Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Amazing all right, mate, Always a pleasure catch up soon.
Appreciate it very much. Nick Bryant, who's with us some
out of Australia this morning. It's twenty two part.

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questions for mister Trump, The ag of New York, Letitia

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James has a word.

Speaker 18 (01:13:53):
No matter what the next administration throws at us, we're ready.
We're ready to respond to their attacks. So despite what
has happened on the national stage, we will continue to
stand tall in the face of injustice, revenge or retribution.

(01:14:15):
This is not the time to be fearful New York,
but faithful insteadfasts knowing that I, as the Attorney General,
along with my entire team, we are guardians of the
law and we are prepared, my friends, to fight.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Back on medication. How lose that, We're prepared to fight back.
So that's Lutucia James Lee AG. We'll have some more
on that, and then we'll go to Britain with Ron
Little up the news which is.

Speaker 12 (01:14:48):
Next they views, bold opinions, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
al Vida, retirement communities, Life Your Way, and news.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Talk part of the ongoing commentry as the day unfolds,
the day after unfolds. Larry Kudlow, who worked, of course,
with Trump for a period of time these days, makes
us living on Fox. He's got a view.

Speaker 13 (01:15:10):
Trump has assembled, bolstered and expanded this populist coalition of
working folks and middle Americans, Blacks, whites, men, women, union, Latinos, blacks,
young people. You go down the list of the numbers.

(01:15:31):
You have seen the numbers, how much he improved from
twenty twenty people. They didn't understand it. People wanted the
country changed direction.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Then we come to the UK, where a couple of
them might have some answers next time they meet up
with mister Trump. One of them, of courses, mister Keio Starma, Can.

Speaker 22 (01:15:50):
I begin by congratulating present Elect Trump on his historic
election victory as the closest of allies, the UK and
US for continue to work together to protect our shad
values of freedom and democracy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Hm, he might do you remember, mister Trump might be saying,
what about all the volunteers? Ka what happened there anyway,
other side of the house bedknock new touring leader ahead
of first PMQ's and she wasn't holding back.

Speaker 9 (01:16:16):
The Prime Minister and the Foreign Sectary met him in September.
Did the Foreign Secretary take that opportunity to apologize for
making derogatory and scatological references including and I quote Trump
is not only a woman hating, neo Nazi sympathizing sociopath,
he is also a profound threat to the international order.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
And if he did not apologize, well.

Speaker 9 (01:16:36):
The Prime Minister do so now on his behalf.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
International correspondence with insie eye insurance peace of mind.

Speaker 7 (01:16:44):
For New Zealand business, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Been the k a UK run Little morning to you mate,
good morning, doing it very well. Indeed, so how does
KIA explain a lot of labor volunteers? And assuming sopheling.

Speaker 7 (01:16:55):
Up the president, it couldn't be a worse day for
Keir Stana and he's had a few bad days recently.
I mean, that's actually the least of what the walking
calamity that is David Lammy has said about Donald Trump.
There's quotes collated by one of the newspapers here, The

(01:17:18):
Telegraph I think it is of more than twenty from
bench labor people dissing Trump, including it Milliband saying, you know,
he's a serial groper and a racist and a these
dods saying, you know, is the worst possible thing for
the future of the world. And they've all said this

(01:17:40):
completely lacking the nouse that you know, this might at
some point come back to bite them, that it might
be possible that Donald Trump might win, and so they
are in a real stuck. What they're trying to do.
What Ka is trying to do is trying to beef up.
Suggests that he has been very carefully mending any damage

(01:18:06):
that has been done with the Trump A team over
the last few months, including sending the idiot Lammy over
to Washington to meet meet with the Trump team and
have dinner with them. And I think Lammy had dinner
with Vance, But I wouldn't you read what they've said
about Trump, and there's no question about it. They despise

(01:18:29):
and blothe him. And when Trump came to visit, came
on a state visit back when we had a conservative government,
the Labor Party tried to stop him coming. And so
you should be allowed in the leader of the free world,
so they have to face reality a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
I think we're a little bit exercise, given we're a
free trading nation over the talk around tariffs and what
he's going to do and what means for us, What
about things like trade for the UK and whether or
not this is going to be material for you.

Speaker 7 (01:18:58):
Yeah, well it should be. It should be. And previously
under the previous Trump presidency, there were hopes that we
would get very very good deals, indeed possibly with you know,
a complex so it might be with individual states such
as Texas or California. But I think there is now

(01:19:20):
such bad will between between Trump and the labor government
that it's hard to see us being at the front
of the key for any deals that might come about.
That being said, it is generally the case that the
UK is better off with a republican administration. The Republicans

(01:19:40):
tend to look on the UK in a slightly more
cungby like than do the Democrats, where there's always a
problem about imperialism and a problem about Ireland as well.
So maybe it we'll settle down in time, but at
the moment it is an absolute nightmare for kirs Darmer.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
What I always like about the Queen where she was
able to hide her to stain given all circumstances. And
I just wonder if Charles, when he inevitably ends up
standing next to Trump, I can do the same thing,
because you can only wonder how much his eyes were
rolling last night.

Speaker 7 (01:20:16):
Yes, Charles isn't the greatest of concealing his views, and
he does get very snippy from time to time. That
being said, I think he is going to be utilized
a lot because it's kind of the acceptable site of
the British establishment if you're Trump. Trump enjoyed his hobnobbing

(01:20:36):
with the Queen very much, indeed, and talked about it
a lot. So I think the Royal family is going
to be very very important. Rather the Royal Family than
David Lammy, I think will be the way they look
at it. Meanwhile, you know, over here, Mike, I've spent
the entire day gufoy at the at the reactions of
the of the of the left liberals over here who

(01:20:59):
have just throw their toys out of the pram. Television personalities.
I think Emily Mate this was taken off television because
she swore she was so angry that was in a
program last night and Carol Vorderman, who some of your
listeners may well remember, saying predicting millions of women are

(01:21:20):
coming up to vote for vote for Harris, she will
definitely win. That was about twenty four hours ago. It's
been a remarkable day of loathing and hatred from the left.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Yes it is. And the question we've been asking ourselves
this morning is whether those people sort of learned from it,
or get it, or whatever the case might be. I
liked we preached it in PMQ's her first PMQ, So
you don't want to underestimate, you know, at the moment
in time.

Speaker 7 (01:21:47):
I like the cut of her gym Oh, she's good
and she will shake up starmer of PMQ. She's a
far far better performer than he is, and very very sharp,
and she said the right thing. You know, you should apologize, which,
of course he was loads to do and just continued
in toning, as she pointed out, by reading from his notes,

(01:22:08):
which is all he does. You know, he doesn't address
anything directly as to your main point. They still don't
get it, you know, they do not get why country
after country in Europe has voted for someone in the
kind of trumpish mold and now America has done it
as well. They do not understand, you know that the
Liberals have now lost all touched with the ordinary working voter,

(01:22:32):
a working man who votes, and that those votes are
lost to them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Now, yeah, hey, listen. We had Boris on the other
day on the program and we're talking about a variety
of things, and he's a huge fan of Trump obviously,
but I asked him speak speaking of individuals and characters
and stuff like that. Do you think it's true, I
asked him, and he said yes, if he'd still been
there and they hadn't pained he if he didn't wasn't

(01:22:56):
going to win, it would have been close. Any may
well have won. Do you think that's sure or not.

Speaker 7 (01:23:02):
I think it's quite possible. That has to be matched
up against the usual twelve year cycle of British elections,
which is just that no matter who's in charge, people
are sick of the government. You know, they're sick of
the Tory government. So that would still have played. I
think he would have done better than Rishi seen that.

(01:23:23):
So I don't think you'd have seen a majority anything
like the one we saw.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Yeah, exactly. Always please you might go, well, have a
good week in We'll see your Tuesday, ronin Little eight forty.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Five, the like asking Breakfast Fall Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talks, they'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Morning, Mike. Can you explain why Fox called it so
much earlier than the other networks. I don't think they did.
I watched several networks, and times they were early, at
times they were later than others. Seen In called some
states earlier than Fox. Fox called some states earlier than
other CNBC. I watched Very Good Place in the Sidney
Morning Here all this morning, drifting down the door they
review the American television cover. Drifting down the dial, you

(01:24:01):
pass the second grades, the MSNBC's righteous home of the left,
the Business channel CNBC, even further down the fringe dwellers,
News Max, Script News, Blaze TV, and the pro Trump
all Flags Blazing one American news network of everyone who
was not CNN or Fox News, news nations seem to
have the strongest traction, largely thanks to the presence of
Square George former CNN anchor Chris Cuomo. In many ways,

(01:24:23):
election nights are to rolling TV news coverage what telethons
are to live TV events. The offspring of a school
reunion zoom call and a hostage video filled with awkwardness,
occasional ice breaking chatter, and a tendency to look from
side to side, wondering whether to interrupt the stilted conversation
or wait quietly before sneaking out. It's quite nicely put,
isn't it, Mike? Why the hell's everyone so upset wanting

(01:24:45):
to march over the treaty bill when it's only been
made public today. It pisses me off, Well, don't be
pissed off about it, ross and life's too short for that.
The reason they're upset is because they will be upset,
doesn't matter what the bill says. I mean, there's a
lot of that defense going, well, you haven't seen what's
in the bill. What's in the bill today will not
quell those who do not want to be happy about it.

(01:25:05):
It's a general theme that this government are beating up
on Maori, which isn't true, of course, but that's the theme.
And so whatever the bill says today is will make
literally no difference. And so they've decided they're angry. They've
decided it's not fair. They've decided they want to march
and fight it, and yell and scream and angst, and
that will be the way of it for the next

(01:25:26):
six months, remembering, of course it will be read next week,
debated next week, sent off to the committee, the Select Committee,
and from there it will come back and at which
point it will die because national are adamant that they
are not supporting it any further.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
It is ten to nine the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the Range Rover Villa News.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Talks v In answer to your question specifically on how
they call it and why they call it. When they
call it, what they do is as the boat gets
close in ninety something percent of the voters, and they
look at what's left out uncounted, and they look at
the gap between the winner and the loser currently, and
they look at the trend so far, and if they
can't add up the number of votes left in the

(01:26:09):
way it's trended so far to the point where that
gap can close to make it a winner or loss
or a tire or whatever. In other words, when they
become confident that there's not enough vote left to change anything,
that's essentially when they call it, and that's based on
how fast they crunch the numbers and how fast they
get access to the data in the first place. By
the way, they've been overnight the Best Chef Awards in

(01:26:31):
Dubai and so they've been all sorts of interesting people
all over the world that have won all sorts of
interesting awards. But the best Dining Experience I know what
a great deal of interest has gone to Vaughan Marby
who runs Ammersfield in Central Otago, which if you've never
been to you must because it's one of the must
dos in that particular part of the world. But to
go up against the luminaries of the culinary world, the

(01:26:55):
Best Dining Experience awards goes to Ammersfield. So we are
leading the way globally, which is very nice. Indeed, congratulations
to all the team. And if you've never been gone
six minutes away from.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Day, So the pointment of people is going to be fascinating.
There is a feeling of saints, mainly driven by Trump
of course, that JFK is going to get the health job.
I mean RFK, my apologies. RFK is going to get
the health job, and so how that's going to unfold
is going to be interesting. Because of course RFK is
against the vaccines, but he's done an interview this morning
with MSNBC says vaccines are going to study, but he

(01:27:32):
is going to clean house.

Speaker 11 (01:27:33):
In some categories of worker their entire departments, like the
nutrition departments at FDA that are that have to go
that are are not doing their job. They're not protecting
our kids. Why do we have fruit loops in this country?
There are eighteen or nineteen ingredients and you go to
Canada and it's got two or three.

Speaker 14 (01:27:54):
Would you eliminate any of the agencies.

Speaker 11 (01:28:00):
The agency it is as long as it requires congradual approval,
I wouldn't be doing her. I can get the corruption
out of the agencies. That's what I've been doing for
forty years. I've sued all those agencies. I have a
PhD in corporate corruption and that's what I do. And
once they're not corrupt on some Americans are getting good
science and are allowed to make their own choices, They're

(01:28:20):
going to get a lot of healthier.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Going to be fascinating to see how it all unfolds.
If there's one person I would like to see, I mean,
there were some people in there. I look at Kellyanne Conway.
She wasn't bad. I cannot remember the woman's name in
Elwick's for Fox, younger blonde woman. She's a host these days.
She was his spokesperson for a period of time and
replaced Garamucci. Come on, she was there for the longest

(01:28:43):
time anyway? Is Nicki Haley? Nicki Haley stood out to
me to be And I know they said some stuff
in the campaign, and I know she ran against them
and all of that, but when she was ambassador to
the United Nations, she immediately struck you as one of
the more intelligent, cogent cohesi sort of operators and that
particular side of the party. And so if she gets

(01:29:04):
a good job, that's no bad thing. So we'll see.

Speaker 19 (01:29:06):
Kaylee mcinennie is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Macin anie exactly.

Speaker 15 (01:29:09):
Yeah, stupid name.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
So whether hard to say whether they would. I mean,
they're they're they're Wisconsin Fox. They won't be back, will
they will? Sean Spice to be back? Where's old Shawn
these days? Do you think he's ringing Sean this morning
saying Sean, he's ringing.

Speaker 15 (01:29:21):
The cad is going to be back, isn't he?

Speaker 20 (01:29:22):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Reckon Caudlo's going.

Speaker 19 (01:29:23):
But that's what I say.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
He is going to be back Fox, go back to
the Trumps.

Speaker 15 (01:29:28):
I think he's open to people working both jobs at once.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Isn't he? And which point? What do you give Sean Hannity?
No one stuck by Trump more than Sean Hannity, What
do you give Sean Hannity now that vice President's gone? Anyway?
Back tomorrow morning from six Happy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
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