Full Show Podcast: 08 April 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Be well, you're welcome.

Speaker 4 (00:10):
It's like Christmas for defenses billions get roll out for
planes and drones and lipiality. We'll talk with the former
Defense Minister and the current one, the IIDA cracking down
on unpaid tax and the coming up roses. Actually, Bruce
Hornsby turns up after ape for a chat about being exceptional,
Catherine Fields and France. Rod Liddle brings us up to
speed from the United Kingdom. Ask you here to seven

(00:33):
post six. Welcome to the day. Touch the old intellectual snobbery,
I thought yesterday rearing its head with news that the
Defense Force dropped education criteria last year. So, as a
person who had no time for school and could not
wait to get out into the world, I was and
still am, very grateful for the idea that you choose
the person, not the piece of paper when it comes
to work. When I started school, certain ue well what

(00:55):
you needed to get into the media, or at least
have a crack at it. These days you need a
degree and I can assure you the quality of those
graduates has not changed one iota as a result of
several years of study. The military is an awfully difficult
place to recruit for, especially in a country like ours.
I mean, just what is it you're offering. We don't
do a lot. We don't have a lot of equipment.
We don't fight wars, We peacekeep and weed patrol. So

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in a world where work life balance and work from
home and four day weeks a commonplace, average pay WAYOUU
and a lot of early rises aren't exactly calling cards,
are they. So you simply now need three years of school.
You don't even need level one NCEEA to join. So
here's the thing. Some people aren't into school. And I
know this because I was one of them. Not all

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life choices, work choices, or skills are gained by passing
year eleven maths. The military is as much about attitude
and aptitude. It's a structured environment. It is designed for
specific types of people. In places like America, they recruit
people who may well struggle to get regular work. That's
the way it is. It's a simple truth. They offer
dental and medical in a country where you may not
be able to afford it. They offer a career and

(01:57):
travel and opportunity, careers and trade. You may not have
even thought of here. What are they offering? Auto technician, plumber, diver.
These are jobs on offer in the military with no skills.
Could you do that in civilian life? No, you couldn't.
Being good with an engine doesn't mean you're good in
a classroom. These are doors of opportunity. If the military,
through necessity, can make this work. Who are these outside

(02:20):
snobs who still believe that exams and results are the
sole key to employment?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
What news of the world in ninety second.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Of Collins on that later, as the markets continue to
be guarged internationally abernite by the way, the British are
still working on what well the what next bit? The
Chancellor has deals in mind.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
We approach that we are taking is call headed, It
is pragmatic, and it is guided by the national interest,
seeking to strike deals with our trading partners around the world,
including with the United States.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Sakia was a Jaguar landrover who have paused, of course,
shipments to the States.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
Nobody wins from a trade war, you know that. But
it's also a moment for urgency because we've got to
rise together as a nation.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Meantime, in Washington, Trump's would meet Nitnaho again, but also
host of the World Series Champions of the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Speaker 7 (03:16):
The team was crowned the World Series champion against a
great team. The Yankees are a great team and always
a great franchise. And I guess, I don't know, like
twenty eight or something. They want a lot, probably maybe
more than any team in history overall.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah, that other team, but you guys anyway, whatever, speaking
of Nitnya, who the Middle East is busy won. With
British MP's being turned around and sent home.

Speaker 8 (03:38):
This is unacceptable that I would like to see the
British government say that these deportations should be revoked and
that these MPs should be allowed to go in future
because they've been given an entry band for five years.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
And then to an attack on an AID convoy.

Speaker 9 (03:54):
Why did you destroy the ambulasers after killing them? Why
did you today to dig deep and hide the ambulances?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Why did you hide the buddies?

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Well they're not unreasonable questions, so these relatives providing an
explanation of sorts.

Speaker 10 (04:11):
ADF soldiers opened fire from a distance at vehicles that
were moving suspiciously in their direction. Among the dead were
six Hamas terrorists. What were Humas terrorists doing in ambulances?

Speaker 4 (04:25):
And there's not a bad question either, And that's news
of the world in ninety that's gone and threatened fifty
percent on China. So we're doing the thirty four percent.
I see your thirty four. Here's another thirty four. Then
he's going fifty on top because he doesn't like the
way China responded. So he's busy asking for patients this
morning and not to be weak or stupid. So if
you were thinking this morning of being weak or stupid,

(04:48):
stop it. Eleven past six.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
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Speaker 4 (05:00):
We're speak of the Dodgers and the Yankees and also
nitnya who's here, And we'll keep you in posted, keep
you posted on what's happening at the White House. But
speaking of the White House, I don't know whether it's
deliberate or he's just deranged. But while he was there,
he was sort of he went off about the Oval Office.

Speaker 11 (05:13):
It's funny. People come from all over, the biggest people,
the richest people, the most powerful people. And they come
and they go into the Oval Office and they just stare.

Speaker 7 (05:24):
Oh, well, they all have beautiful offices. They have offices
that are the best in the world in many cases,
but they love the Oval Office.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
They traveled from Los Angeles. Great, Yeah, Bruce Hornsby after
right by the way, Jay am I Wealth, Andrew kellerh.

Speaker 12 (05:42):
Good morning, very good morning, Mike.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
So where do you want to start?

Speaker 12 (05:50):
Well, okay, we yes, where do we start?

Speaker 13 (05:53):
So think back March twenty twenty, so peak COVID uncertain
of the GFC. Look, in the last twenty we've seen
volatility and share markets the likes of which we haven't
seen since those heady days of market gyrations that are
now very much etched into financial market history. So right
now we are adding another chapter to that weighty tome.

(06:17):
So yeah, if we take a wander through the last
twenty four hours. We came into work yesterday with a
rather frightening honor of being the first market to trade
after the weekend.

Speaker 12 (06:25):
The weekend that we'd seen the news that China.

Speaker 13 (06:27):
Would place reciprocal tariffs against the reciprocal tariffs.

Speaker 12 (06:32):
President Trump, well, he.

Speaker 13 (06:34):
Had been golfing, channeling his inner Emperor Nero, who supposedly
fiddled while roame burned. Anyway, the New Zealand and Australian
market sort of played catch up and in the end
the New Zealand the Internet's fifty fell three point six
eight percent. That's a chunky move for the local index
backtor level seen in January last year. Fairly indiscriminates selling
for the record. Companies like main Freight edging down just

(06:56):
under seven percent on feares of lower levels of global trade,
got Fletcher Building, sky City, Fonterra. They all fell or
had more than six percent falls. Australia they topped our
three point six eight percent, they fell four point two percent.

Speaker 12 (07:10):
Resources hit quite hard there.

Speaker 13 (07:12):
But the truly remarkable price section, yes they Mike, was
evident in the Asian markets, obviously reacting to potential for
full blown trade war between China and the US.

Speaker 12 (07:22):
And just remarkable numbers here, Mike. I've been doing this
for forty years and these were eye opening yesterday.

Speaker 13 (07:27):
The Hangsen and Hang Sing index that's Hong Kong lots
of China exposure. That that fell thirteen point two percent
in the trading session. The Nike in Japan, the NIK
two two five fell seven point eight percent, Shanghai Composite
China Index seven point three shen Zen. That's another exchange
here that was down over ten percent. So Liberation Day

(07:48):
became obliteration day for those exchanges. US markets, MIKE are
just equally remarkable. The US futures trade now time zone
looked pretty ugly, sort of falls three to five percent,
but they then rallied back overnight in an equally remarkable.

Speaker 12 (08:03):
Display of volatility.

Speaker 13 (08:05):
From the session lows to the highs. The S and
P has logged a range of over eight percent.

Speaker 12 (08:13):
That is just crazy.

Speaker 13 (08:14):
Well, last time we saw that, well, we saw that
back in March twenty twenty. The banking sector mark that's
getting hit particularly hard over fears of slowing US economy
just quickly stepping through the other market's interest rates. They've
been falling despite fears of inflation because slow in growth.
Trump's inflation worries are treasury. US treasury markets they've done

(08:34):
a thirty point their tenure. Treasury's done a thirty point
basis point move. Overnight, they've gone back up.

Speaker 12 (08:39):
That's crazy. Currency's key.

Speaker 13 (08:41):
We it's fallen to flirt with fifty five cents sitting
there at the moment. If it goes through fifty five cents, mIRC,
there's not a lot of support until I don't know,
fifty cents. The oil price sixty four dollars overnight, that
saw it down to sixty two. I guess that's good
news from an inflation point of view. But Mike, there
is so much going on it's just chan to keep.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Up, isn't that true? I saw the Australian dollar at
fifty nine. I saw oil below sixty for a while there,
So what I mean, we know it's striving it. But
this is weird, isn't it? Because you can explain the GFC,
and you can explain COVID, but how do you explain him.

Speaker 13 (09:17):
Look, I'll just make a few comments, Mike, every celler
for this nature sort of feels different.

Speaker 12 (09:22):
I've seen a few.

Speaker 13 (09:23):
Look over the last hundred years, we've seen bear markets
in the s and P five hundred I think sort
of about fifteen times.

Speaker 12 (09:29):
So they happen.

Speaker 13 (09:31):
These things do happen. They're part of the financial market experience.
But if I look to say, March twenty twenty, another
difficult time peak COVID uncertainty. Look, it did become evident
then that there was going to be a reason the
coordinated global response fiscal monetary policy could be applied. This
sort of own goal of a sell off doesn't have
an easily identifiable circuit breaker, and compounding the issue, Mike,

(09:54):
I mean, I hate to say it, but the US government,
the US administration now has a credibility issue because those
tariff calculations were nonsensical. So I ask you the question,
how does a rational considered administration respond? And I think
that's the conversation going on around the world.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Now.

Speaker 13 (10:12):
Look, my simple view, Mike is I don't think you
as important. Tariffs can be negotiated away. I think President
Trump has committed, but I think they can be lowered
and the effects can be mitigated. So we'll talk about
this through the week. Right now, Investors, unfortunately, they just
need to be patient.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Right, brace yourself. Here they come numbers, There we go.

Speaker 12 (10:31):
This is the crazy thing that Dow Jones is up.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Is up?

Speaker 13 (10:35):
No, it's down sixty one points at the moment, so
it's barely moved. Actually, the S and P five hundred
is up half a percent and the Nasdaq is up
over one percent. But this is very much a point
in time. Anything could happen between now and when they close.
The forty one hundred down three hundred and fifty three points.
That's four point four percent the nick as I said,
down two thousand, six hundred and forty four points seven

(10:56):
point eight percent. Shangha composite down seven point three percent,
three or nine six The Aussi's yesterday closed at seven
three four to three, four point two percent four n
sex fifty three point six eight percent fall eleven thousand,
seven hundred and seventy five yar point five five four
nine point nine, two four seven against the ossie point
five oh seven against the Euro, point four to three,

(11:17):
four to seven against the pound, eighty two point one
against Japanese yen gold two thousand, nine hundred and seventy
two dollars and break cridge actually tipped back up sixty
five dollars and six cents. But yeah, crazy times, Mike, unreal.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Mate, appreciate time. Andrew kelleher joemiwealth dot co dot in zac,
I cannot he use offering the US to drop tariffs
on industrial goods, very good pudding, andy and Catherine's all
over that will go to her shortly back home. I
note the blueberry groves are celebrating. Is there anyone who
grew anything over summer that hasn't had a bump of season?
So one hundreds of tons, We're up at about four
thousand tons at Nationally, Northland's up sixty percent. Ninety percent

(11:54):
of the stuff goes to Australia, which surprised me. Why
don't we sell more locally neat more blue but min Jo,
I haven't had problems getting blueberries over some anyway. It's
another crop blueberries that is going gangbusters. More acreage, more growers,
more results, more sales for the country. Six twenty one
who refused talk said.

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Speaker 4 (12:22):
Be very pleased to see you liking the defense. Judith
Collins with us later couldn't agree more, Mike. In reality,
most university degrees do nothing to advance an individual's basability
or attitude. The key is to have a role in life.
Of the military fills that role. I'm all for it, Mike.
I joined the Navy in nineteen seventy nine no qualifications.
It gave me a chance to get my life on track.
I left with a new found confidence. Isn't that good?

Speaker 2 (12:43):
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Speaker 3 (12:49):
All year round.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
The much hyped White Lotus finale dropped yesterday afternoon. If
you haven't seen it, brace for detail. Rick and Chelsea
boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom. They
die in a shootout and they so go back to
the beginning of the series of the Lord of Bang
Bang Bang. What was that? It was the shootout, not
before Rick kills the owner of the resort, Jim, because

(13:10):
he thinks he's killed as dad. But twist turns out
Jim was his dad all along. She's yelling, the wife
is yelling, he is your father.

Speaker 12 (13:17):
He is your father.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
The internet you can tell I watched it. The internet
has shocked. But for some reason, Katie told me that
is exactly what would happen. She said it was obvious
he was his father anyway. Walter Goggins, he was on
CBS couple of hours ago, talked about all the theories.

Speaker 14 (13:34):
All of us, you know, kind of being out in
the world, had to listen to had the good fortune
of listen to people tell us their version of his
story out on the street, and I had my fair share,
and I just listened to them the way that I
listened to Sam rockwellhow at episode five, without judgment and

(13:54):
just nodding his reaction to the Jimers' dad revealtending that
that is where we were headed. That's the Mount Everest
that we were climbing. I knew that it was going
to be a very patient, slow walk to get to
that point. And I sympathize so greatly with Rick's pain

(14:15):
because his entire life story was defined by this event
and the genius of Mike White. In that revelation, Rick
only has a couple of seconds to register it before
he is being fired at UH.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
He says, not a single person picked the ending, which,
as I've just suggested to you, isn't true. My wife did.
She saort of along The overarching theme of it, the
Mike White theme is money ruins you. I won't tell
you any more of the dear, but there's a couple
of scenarios where people end up with money or fortune
or good opportunity and it sort of ruins them as people.
I think that's the overarching thing. The other thing I

(14:52):
read yesterday They talked about Sam Rockwell, who was very
very good, but apparently U Harrelson Woody Harrelson was going
to play that part. Perhaps me doctor White Lotus. I
gave it six seven out of ten something like that.
Bruce Hornsby. After eight O'CLOCKY.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
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Speaker 4 (15:23):
Is why this thing is such a mess. When Andrew
was on fifteen twenty minutes ago, the market was flat.
It's now down two hundred and thirty, two hundred and forty.
It was down three hundred and something a couple of
seconds ago. The reason I mentioned this is in Europe,
I can't work out what's going on. So the EU
were looking for retelliatory tariffs. Fair enough, that's later on
this week. Paris wants to hit the services sector. But
then the EU is offering some sort of removal on

(15:44):
industrial tariffs. So where are they at. Then you come
to Navarro this morning, Vietnam, as we discussed yesterday on
the program, because that's where Nike and Carwall are. They
got hit with massive tariffs. Vietnam goes right zero, it
is Navarro goes zero. That's not enough. It's the tariff
cheating that matters. What the hell does that mean for
goodness sake? Twenty three to seven. Now, my idea is

(16:09):
having a very successful time of it. They're cracking down
on people who own money and finding quite a lot
of it. In the six months to December, thirty six
hundred audits were open. That's a fifty percent increase on
the year prior. As a result, they've collected an extra
six one hundred million dollars to Lloyd tax partner. Robin
Walker's back with us, Robin Morning, Good morning. I was
surprised that the numbers yesterday and won the audits and
be the amount of money they found wire you, I mean,

(16:31):
is this something? Why haven't they been doing this all along?

Speaker 15 (16:35):
Well, that's a very good question. So there was a
period when a lenner of new was introducing its new
computer system, which was basically immediately followed by COVID, where
their attention was diverted elsewhere. And so this is really
a return to the days of old where we've got
investigators out there, you know, shaking people down trying to

(16:55):
find all about unpaid tax Is.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
This avoidance or evasion? I mean, are these people going
I didn't realize, I'm sorry, versus are yeah, you got me.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
Oh.

Speaker 15 (17:05):
It can be a whole mix of things. So a
lot of compliance can be innocent. So it's just a
misunderstanding about how the tax rules. Taxpayers and iod can
have different.

Speaker 16 (17:15):
Views on things.

Speaker 15 (17:17):
Some of it will be deliberate, and that's where you'll
see Inland Revenue targeting particular sectors and focusing on areas
to try to find those non compliant taxpayers.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Do they take the money if it means the business
goes to the wall? We you see businesses liquid.

Speaker 15 (17:34):
Certainly Inland Revenues increased reported that they've increased the number
of liquidations that they've undertaken.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
And the other.

Speaker 15 (17:41):
Interesting thing which they've noted in their press release is
that they are looking at what assets does the taxpayer
have available to them and if they've got money that
or assets that they could be selling or refinancing to
pay their tax bill. They're saying sell those assets because
you owe the taxpayers.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Al me as an expert, they can legally do that
if entity A owes money, but I've got entity B
and C. They can force me to do something with
B and C to settle A.

Speaker 15 (18:13):
Well, they can force they can do things to taxpayer
A to encourage them to find the money to resolve that.
So they can have a more heavy handed approach to
collecting debt, or they can be more lenient and enter
into installment arrangements and make life a that easier for people.

(18:33):
So there's a range, and generally the more cooperative a
taxpayer is, the nicer I ad will be in return.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Okay, is this low hanging fruit, the six hundred million
and they're going to be working hard from here? Is
this just riches galore?

Speaker 15 (18:47):
I think because we've had this period of not seeing
a lot of audits, there's sort of a lot of
fruit to be picked at the moment, but there's you know,
you'll reach the point of diminishing returns at the moment.
There's plenty of you know, cushions to look behind to
find things, but you know at some point that won't

(19:08):
necessarily be the case. I mean, I've done a little
back of the envelope calculation, which may or may not
be accurate.

Speaker 17 (19:15):
That's six hundred million, I think.

Speaker 15 (19:17):
Looks to be about eleven dollars for every dollar that's invested,
so very good return on their investment. Historically, in Land,
revenue clicks around about eight dollars for every dollar that
they spend on investigation activity. So you know it's well
worth the efforts. So long as you know, like I said,

(19:38):
you get to the point of diminishing returns.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Great stuff, Robin, Appreciate your insight, Robin Walker, who's with
the Deloitte Deloittes tax partner. I note there were seven
hundred and seventy unannounced visits to vape and boo shops,
which doesn't surprise me. I'd go looking personally at the
bubble tea. You've seen how many bubble tea places there
are around that can't be legit nineteen minutes away from seven,
season White Lotus was average. Yeah, I tend to agree.
I'd them are three seasons. I'd rate two the best one,

(20:02):
the second best, in season three the third best. Very
good question, Mike, If Terra free trade is so beneficial,
why aren't all countries implementing terror free trade? Simple question,
but a good one. More shortly eighteen to two The.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
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Speaker 4 (20:22):
Mike, they should look at nail bars. They're everywhere. That's
not a bad point, although I would argue there's more
demand for nail bars. And I've lived with women believing
and there's demand for nail bars. I've never lived with
a woman who likes bubble tea, but I've lived with one.

Speaker 18 (20:34):
I've got two women in my house. You like bubble tea?

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Yeah, of course you do. He's every time, isn't it
every time? It's like Mike, agree with re White Lotus,
how many women you got in your house?

Speaker 18 (20:50):
It's hard to keep check?

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Agree with White Lotus seven out of ten at best,
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for disadvantage. Murray in pacifica best vintage Ebba in the
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(21:12):
New Zealand Business from Field morning to you.

Speaker 17 (21:14):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
So to talk me through this because I'm already confused,
as I think is most of the world. So you guys,
EU go reteliatory later on this week. Yet at the
same time you're offering the removal of industrial tariffs, and
Paris wants to whack the services is Paris out of
line with the EU. Is the EU retelliatory or wanting
to negotiate? What's going on?

Speaker 19 (21:36):
Well, good morning, Mike. Lots of questions in there. Let's
unpack a few of them. First of all, the EU
is still trying to work out what is going on.
I are these tariffs here to stay? Are this current
American administration is trying to re engineer the global trading system?
Or is it just a negotiating technic? So for the meantime,

(21:57):
they're all talking tough, but still trying to find out
if there's any room whatsoever for negotiations any way forward
without some sort of huge, you know, robust countermeasures. Now,
in the last couple of hours, we have discovered that
the European Union a sort of vonderlion and the Trade
Commissioner put forward back in February mid February and offered

(22:22):
to the American administration to have zero tariffs, reciprocal zero tariffs.
They haven't heard back from that the EU has said
that still remains on the table. They would prefer that
to be the way forward, but nevertheless, they are going
to be looking at some sort of retaliation. They're going
to be looking again at goods and services just to

(22:45):
see what they can have up their sleeve. If this
twenty percent tariff which has been announced comment to fact
against European Union, whether that stays in place. So that's
where we are what countermeasures ready to go, but hoping
that the differences will narrow. Now when it comes to services, Mike,

(23:08):
this is where everyone sort of gets to forgets a
bit about what's going on. We hear all the time
that the EU has a good surplus for around three
hundred and ten billion New Zealand dollars with US, but
in fact, when it comes to services, there's a deficit
of about two hundred and twenty New Zealand billion New
Zealand dollars. So what France, Germany and Austria is saying

(23:32):
is let's keep this while on our house sleeves. Let's
hit back at big tech. Now that means heading back
at the giants such as Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Google. These
are all big players when it comes to Europe so
you can start finding them, for example, violating digital competition rules,

(23:52):
all sorts of things like that and making it more difficult.
For example, we've spoken about this before X what used
to be known is Twitter, of course is already in
breach of content moderation rules and there's set to have
a fine of about six percent of the of its
global turnovers. So the France particularly and Germany is looking

(24:13):
at that as a way of saying, listen, you know,
when it comes to services, we've got a little bit
of our sleeves.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Yeah. Is everybody in lockstep in the EU as much
as the EU can be in lockstep? Or has everyone
got their own plan?

Speaker 19 (24:28):
Everyone's in lockstit when it says let's just wait and
see how this is going to shake down. I mean,
there's that old quote never interrupt your enemy when he
is making a mistake, because they all realize that this
is a big mistake being made, or they think this
is a big mistake being made by Donald Trump.

Speaker 12 (24:46):
So let's just let it.

Speaker 19 (24:47):
All continue working its way down there. When it comes
to other matters, say, for example, on attacking services, here
was sing a bit of divergence particular when it comes
to Ireland because Island has been huge, Yeah, huge in Ireland.
They've really made so much of their economy based on
things like Apple, Microsoft to Amazon. They're saying, whoa, wait

(25:11):
until we're way further down the line before you start
talking about this. But of course, French President Emmanuel mac
cron just immediately after these tariffs were announced, Mike, he
got around the table at the Elitesa Palace a lot
of the French industry leaders and said, hey, if you've
got any investment going into the US and you can
stop it, stop it now.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah. Interesting, just give us a quickly on Marine La
penn forgetting. Of course, she's a convicted in Beezler, she
still seems to be moderately politically popular. Where does this go?

Speaker 19 (25:40):
Okay? Well, she put it forward to the courts for
an appeal, putting a lot of pressure on the judges. Interestingly,
the three judges that handed down that decision against her
last week, that guilty verdicts, they are now under police
protection because there are concerns that she's whipping up her
supporters and just making it very difficult for when it

(26:01):
comes to the safety of these judges. As putting judges
in an impossible position. She had a sparsely attended valley
here in Paris on Sunday. Essentially, she's saying it's a
witch hunt and that you're going around saying people are
more important than the judges and it's up to the
people to decide.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Okay, Doky, I'm glad we got you on board. Catherine,
appreciate it very much. The attendance, they were expecting hundreds
of thousands. They got thousands, but not the sort of
numbers they were expecting, So it'll be interesting to see
where that goes. Right ten minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
The mic asking breakfast with the range rover Villa News.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Talks dead be Mike Terrif free trade is so beneficial,
why aren't all countries implementing terra free trade? Very good question.
We certainly don't have one with Europe.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
No, we do not.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
We have a very good one with the UK, very
good one with the UAE, very good one with China.
The reason we don't have free trade all over the
world is simply politics. The French farmer cannot raise a
cow or a sheep, or make milk or cheese in
a way that's remotely efficient, and so they go to
the government, and they go, unless you protect us, unless
you give us a false economy, you hand out some
free money to us, we will not vote for you.

(27:03):
And that's called lobbying. And the lobbying industry is massive,
and that's how it works. So even if you're good
at something, it doesn't mean you can land your product
terrif free. And that, unfortunately, is everything that's wrong with trade.
Six Away from seven.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
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Speaker 4 (27:23):
Right from our what to do or not to do
on Holiday file, We've got a company called Radical Storage
whove analyze this morning over ninety five thousand visitor reviews
of more than two hundred the world's most visited attractions,
and they'd come up with their top ten most disappointing
tourist hotspots. So we'll go ten through one. National Air
and Space Museum in Washington is number ten. Very disappointing,
it's outdated, it's overcrowded, it's overrated. Nine Top Copy Palace

(27:48):
in a Standbull, high entry fee, palace, beautiful, just a
little spinny. The Gardland Park in Italy, that's number eight.
It's a massive theme park alongside a water park and
an aquery and three hotels. So as with any of
the theme parks, you've got long queues and high prices.
There the negatives. So you don't like a queue and
you don't like the prices. That makes it the eighth

(28:08):
most disappointing wonder of the world. Seven the Guinness Storehouse
in Ireland. I mean that even sounds disappointing, doesn't it.
It's just it's a storehouse and it's got Guinness in it.
I mean, go to a pub if you like your Guinness.
A bit boring, they say, especially if you're interested in beer,
or if you're not interested in beer, it's really boring.
Horseshoe Casino in Vegas is the sixth most disappointing. Why

(28:31):
because it's the only three star hotel in Vegas. So
she's down at hill, so why would you bother five?
And I agree with this wholeheartedly. The Trivia Fountain in Rome.
It's overcrowded, overrated, and way smaller than you think. As
I wandered around the corner and I saw it, I thought,
oh my god, what are all these people doing there?
There were so many people who didn't even see the fountain.
It's so small. Four the time out market in Lisbon, Portugal.

(28:52):
It's overpriced, it's overcrowded. It's also not suited to vegetarians.
But I mean, you can say that about a lot
of the world, really, can't you. I mean, this tremendous
amount of world is suited to vegetarians. Sion Park in Tenna,
tena Reefee and Tenner Reefee known as the world's best
water park. Apparently it's not. They lied to the Shedsinye
Baths and paul In Buddha Pest. It's the world's largest

(29:16):
medicinal bath in Europe. So now the problem with that,
there's nothing wrong with the medicinal bath. It's just so
big that hundreds of thousands of other people want to
be in it with you, and that's disgusting. And the
most disappointing attraction in the world is Alton Towers in
the UK. That is right biggest theme park. Forty nine
percent of reviews a negative, compared with an average of

(29:37):
only eleven percent for the other attractions. People hate the
cost and they say the customer service is crap. It's
absolutely crap, right, Our former Defense minister Ron Mark. I'm
assuming he is pleased by what was announced yesterday. There
is the question around the billions and billions of dollars
I thought last time, I look, we didn't have any money.
But we'll deal with Judith Collins on that. But Ron Mark,

(29:59):
former Defenseman. After the News, which.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
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Speaker 4 (30:14):
Just keeping an eye on the White House, NITNYA, who's there.
They've just canceled the press conference, which is never a
good sign. They look like they'll speak from the yellow chairs,
which is limited questions, So I don't know whether anything's
gone wrong there, but will keep you posted obviously. Now
back home, What a day for the military. It's all
onto the tune of billions over the next handful of
years as the government looks to return us to some

(30:35):
sort of operative credibility twelve billion over four years by
twenty twenty eight, spending at a credible two percent about GDP.
Former Defence Minister Ron Mike with us Ron Morning, Good morning, Mike,
how are you very well? Thank you you like it.

Speaker 20 (30:49):
I'm toasting the Coalition government. I have to say that.
And I've got to say, Mike, I can I can
see the fingerprints for the coalition partners.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
All over this.

Speaker 20 (30:57):
It says wonderful news. And I have no doubt Beautith
Collins has been very grateful for support of Winston Peters.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
So you're saying Peter's an active nudge National in this way.

Speaker 20 (31:07):
Well, I think it's very clear if you go right
back to where they were when they started. And you know,
I've always expressed disappointment that the past Nationals had to
have of writing wonderful plans. But you know, as we
used to say in the Diving World, plan to dive
and dive the plans. The plan's not worth anything if
you don't an act and the naval look with money.
And this time you know they have all all three

(31:29):
of them have come out a guns blazing so to speak,
and put the money and they're put up This.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Plays well where their allies.

Speaker 20 (31:37):
Oh look, this will play well with our strategic partners globally.
I mean I'm thinking right now us seeing in FPDA
and the Endo Pacific, I'm thinking of security comfort. There
will be the South Pacific cleense Minister. It will get
five eyes also and NATO can't forget NATO. But it's
also going to enhance the Prime Minister and the Minister

(31:59):
Foreign Affairs ability to to caure our economic cuty. You
can't have prosperity without security, and right now we're living
in any possibly the most insecure times that we've seen
since the Second World War.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Do you worry about the big picture of labor and
the Greens get back in they're a bit anti military
or is this bulletproof not?

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Do you?

Speaker 21 (32:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (32:20):
I do, Mike, and I think the thing I learned,
if you want to make your capability plan bulletproof, you
get the contracts done and just as fast as you
possibly can, and then it makes it very hard for
them to turn things around. I think it's going to
put labor in a bit of a buying because they
made a lot of fuss about the fact that you're
under their watch. They did all this investment. Well, you know,
they had their firmly shoved up their back, let's be

(32:42):
clear about that. But it's something different when you look
at their track report between twenty twenty when they had
ultimate power themselves in twenty twenty three, they squashed pretty
much everything that I had lined up for the next
Trianium and that set us backwards. So what this announcement
does is it reached addresses that failure of that three years,

(33:02):
that accelerates forward within twelve billion as was it nine
billion going over the next four years, No, twelve billion
over the next four years and nine billion dollars of
new money. The real consc is going to come and
what the Prime Minister identified and then stand up after
the after cabinet that you can't have platforms and capability

(33:23):
if you don't have confident, capable and experienced personnel as well,
and that's going to be the big challenge.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yes, we'll appreciate the insight ron ron mark form of
Defense Minister, speaking of which ten minutes past seven passing
my great news about the defense budget. However, not a
cent to go towards a pay increase, so nothing will change.
Personnel still ahead will be heading off shore hopefully wrong
because it was addressed yesterday. The money for salaries comes
in the budget. This is separate again, but there are

(33:49):
question marks around where the money comes and it will
all be revealed in the budget. But due to the
collins with us in about half an hour's time. Right
o the matters. Speaking of money, thousands of victims of
crime missing out on court ordered reparation. We've got ten
and a half thousand payments over you right now, with
the further twenty three thousand, seven hundred outstanding. It's one
hundred and five million dollars that people are missing out on.
The Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith with us on this Good morning,

(34:12):
Good morning, Mike. Hardly a surprise given the people you're
dealing with. They're not fulsome in their ability or need
or desire to pay, are they? No?

Speaker 12 (34:21):
But it is a hopeless situation.

Speaker 22 (34:23):
It's been like this for a very long time and
everybody's aware it. You know, something happens, you get this
a reparation and that's two dollars a week, or it
doesn't happen, and so there aren't the real consequences for crime.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Unfortunate.

Speaker 22 (34:35):
It's this one of the many issues in the justice
sector that we're working our way through. And I've certainly
given instructions that we've got to come up with a
better solution.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Are they what's that coming up with a better solution?

Speaker 22 (34:49):
Well, they haven't come up with it. Yet I'll just
you know, just remind you that last year we were
focusing on sentencing and the gang stuff, make good progress there.
We're now dealing with stalking and name suppression rules and
retail crime. The next cab off the rank will be that,
you know, is an equally appalling situation in terms of
people waiting three years to get cases. So the slow

(35:10):
processes of the court and this one is the next
problem that we've got to deal with. And that the
challenge I've put to them is this, simply, we've got
you know, we can send people to jail, or we
can give them a fine, but we actually need something
more effective in the middle for people who don't actually
pay the fine. We don't necessarily want to put them
in prison. And you know, so it's a kind of
the community service type thing. I'd be interested in your

(35:32):
listeners if they could come up with.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
I think we've got to.

Speaker 22 (35:34):
Come up with something that's irritating and difficult and annoying,
which forces people to actually get on with it and.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Pay the fines. I already most of these people will
beyond benefits, take it out of their benefits.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Well.

Speaker 22 (35:45):
Yet that that already happens in certain circumstances that happens.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
Well, yeah, exactly, why don't you solve the problem. If
you've got the mechanism, just take it out until they
pay their bill.

Speaker 22 (35:55):
Yes, but there's also you know, I mean that there's
child support payments, there's traffic fines, all sorts of things
coming out, and that's the limit.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
And so I think the problem.

Speaker 22 (36:06):
Yes, I mean, there's scope for doing that more than
their scope for having more consequences at the border and
all those sorts of things. We're into that, but I
still think we need to come up with a better
solution that provides something that's irritating and painful, that annoys people,
that forces him to getting out and paying the fines.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
And that's what I'm looking for. How about a small
segment on my show once a week where I name
and shame them. Well, that'd be a good idea.

Speaker 22 (36:29):
I'm into that, Mike.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
There we go. See this is the home of my ideas. Paul,
anytime you welcome Paul Goldsmith, who is the Justice Minister.
Thirteen minutes past seven, A couple of rolls Daily Mail
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Third pole now locally where the government retains power last

(36:53):
night on the one US thirty six up two for
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steady New Zealand first upper little bit added all together
in terms of seats. Are the government to back by
a couple fourteen?

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Be Mike Pipe Radio New Zealand into their house twenty
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(37:34):
from the listeners, well from everybody. Good news for hospital
and Central O Tiger. If you've missed this one, probably
the whole country got Good Food and Wine's Global Taste
Maker Awards. They've named Queenstown's Amersfield as the third best
in the world, a beacon I quote, a beacon for
wine enthusiasts world wye who seek an unparalleled dining experience
is how the judge put it. Msfield, executive chef for

(37:55):
Vaughan maybe's with us born Very good morning to you,
Mording Mike, how very well? Indeed? Do you realize at
the time you're being judged and these are people there
for any sort of aventors that all sort of blind tasting.

Speaker 16 (38:09):
Do you realize when you're being judged?

Speaker 4 (38:11):
You mean, yeah, do they come there and go where
the judge is from the magazine or the awards committee,
you know, or do they do it secretly?

Speaker 16 (38:18):
But sometimes you pick up judges some of the awards
that were involved in You're clueless, you know, and you
just kind of play the game of trying to give
everyone the same experience and put consistency.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Out there, you know, fantastic Would you have rated yourself
as highly as this? I mean, third best in the
world is really quite something, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (38:42):
I Mean it's pretty huge. I Mean what I can
say is that we have, you know, a super passionate
team there that is always striving to improve and just
get better and give our guests an amazing experience. We
try to show them the beauty and the bounty of

(39:03):
New Zealand and our difference through our food and our wine.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Does it, and I know you're biased, does the food
speak for itself or does the whole environment add to it?
By the time you get into that beautiful restaurant, in
the beautiful surroundings, it all adds up to a piece
of magic.

Speaker 16 (39:18):
I mean, it's the whole thing, you know. It's the
it's the place, you know, It's the longevity of the
restaurant with the amazing team. It's the food, It's the
beautiful organic wine from our vineyard. It's all combined into
one story of New Zealand that's unique and people are

(39:43):
loving it.

Speaker 7 (39:44):
You know.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
And you're on the shoulder season now, is it still
busy in your area?

Speaker 16 (39:49):
It always tapes off a little bit, and I mean,
to be honest, that's kind of good for our team
just to get like a tiny little bit where we're
not getting bombarded every day after day, you know. And
that's the kind of little luxury of living in a
beautiful town like Queen's Town.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Good on your quick word on the vintage, was it good?
This season. Your grapes will be in as everyone fizzing.

Speaker 16 (40:13):
Hey, listen, my team in the restaurant from the front
in the kitchen. We're out there picking grapes, helping the
team over at the vineyard and the peace arrange. And
you know, it's looking like an amazing year. We even
had the owner, John Darby out there looking around yesterday

(40:34):
and it looks like from what he see that it's
going to be an amazing year.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Good on, You're born will go well with it and
Warner's congratulations are putting New Zealand on the map and
helping the tourism industry born. Maybe who's the Ammersfield executive chef?
A little development for you in the old climate change
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Bit of angst over the release of the government's thinking
around reaching net zero by twenty fifty are the famous
net zero Let me tell you well, let me reassure
you that by twenty five the whole twenty fifty thing
is going to be a distant memory, like Peter Dutton
and working from home. It's a great idea until it's

(42:05):
a mistake. The whole rhetoric around net zero is heading
in completely the wrong direction. There are now far too
many countries who are either worn down by the cold
hard truth that it isn't doable without a level of
economic carnage that they're simply not prepared to endure. You
think Cami bad Knock in Britain, who has to be
admired for her straight up and down honesty. Or you
look at countries like in Deer and China who talk

(42:26):
a half decent game but make little or any real progress.
All places like America, of course, who these days are
openly hostile to the whole idea as a global plan.
Widely endorsed and enacted. It's over, but until we reach
the inevitable conclusion are the government here is still officially
aims for net zero while at the same time doing
as little as humanly possible to get there, which is
a welcome relief from the previous government, who have of

(42:48):
course bent over backwards costs of fortune and basically just
hobbled business in the process. New details suggests that private
enterprise is going to plant huge numbers of trees on
public land. Now the upset around this is coming from
the outdoors brigade, who worry vast chunks of the conservation
estate will be locked up and we will be locked out. Obviously,
they won't be planting on Milford Track or on Mount Cook. That,

(43:11):
along with our national parks and so on, is the
conservation estate that we know and we love. What many
may not know is vast swathes of this country is
Crown property, and you've never been there and you're never
going to. It's not pristine landscape, hiking trails and bird song.
It's rugged, uncharted and barren. Put all the trees there
you want, and if someone somewhere thinks that's going to
save the world, will have done our part. The Outdoors

(43:33):
Brigade mistake is that anything outdoors is one ours to
frolic through at will. And two accessible parts of the
landscape that are indistinguishable from rolling meadows. Neither are true.
Cosking right, we're on the yellow chairs. Here's nitt Nyahu.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
We are going to eliminate the tariffs and rapidly. I added.
At the opportunity to speak.

Speaker 23 (43:55):
To the Secretary Letnik yesterday, we talked about how to
affect this quickly, and I hope to bring the solution
very quickly. We're not talking about intentions, We're not talking
about you know, just words.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
We're talking about results.

Speaker 7 (44:11):
So Trump, any many countries that are coming to negotiate
deals with us, and they're going to be fair deals,
and in certain cases they're going to be be paying
substantial tariffs.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
They'll be fair deals.

Speaker 7 (44:26):
So you know, I spoke this morning with the Prime
Minister of Japan and we had a very good conversation.
They're coming, and I said, one thing, you're going to
have to open up your country because we sold no cars,
like zero cars in Japan, and they sold millions of
cars into our country. They don't really take our agriculture,
a little bit of it just to keep us slightly happy,

(44:48):
but they don't take what they of us to be taking.
So we have a great relationship with Japan. We're going
to keep it that way.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
But none of those Mike's any sense. Of course, the
reason they don't have American cars is because of can
cars run six feet of v gates and the cost
of petrols too high, and the emissions are hopeless and
there are rules against all of that. So none of
this has got solved. So Israel's already dropped their tariffs,
dropped them instantly, They dropped them before as soon as
the announcement was made. So what's America got to say,

(45:16):
Are they now making a deal? Vietnam dropped their tariffs
to zero as America making a deal.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
No, they're not.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
So where do we go from here? So none of
it actually makes any sense, and so we're no better
off anyway, back to the defense business. The Defense Minister
Judith Collins, shortly.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
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Speaker 4 (45:44):
Dead b don't you what the down's worth? Watching? Are
not in any good way? But it was flat and
then it was down five hundred, then it was down
two hundred. Now it was down three to fifty, then
it was down eight hundred, then it was flat against
just all over the place. They're on the yellow chairs
nitnya who and Trump jumps now into China.

Speaker 7 (45:59):
Essentially closed country. In fact, it is a closed country.
And what they do is they charge tariffs so that
if you if you sell cars, or if you sell anything,
nobody's going to buy it because the brace is out
of control. But that's true with a lot of other
countries also. So we're going to get fair deals and
good deals with every country, and if we don't, we're

(46:19):
going to have nothing to do with them. They're not
going to be allowed to participate in the United States.

Speaker 12 (46:24):
You see what's todd.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
China is not a closed country. It's our biggest trading partner,
and it's worth twenty billion dollars a year and it's
called free trade. So I don't know where the Americans
are following this with any level of detail, but it's
a mess. Twenty two minutes away from back to our
defense boost twelve billion over four years baseline, not a ceiling,
which was the encouraging part. I guess it will be
at least two percent of GDP eventually nine billion of

(46:47):
its brand new money. To the Defense Minister Judith Collins
as well, it's very good morning to you.

Speaker 24 (46:52):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
It felt a bit grown up yesterday. Does it feel
that way to you that we might be back in
the world and playing our role.

Speaker 17 (47:01):
Well, yes, it's a good way of putting it.

Speaker 20 (47:03):
Growing up.

Speaker 17 (47:04):
Understanding the will is not the way we'd like it
to be. We have to deal with what we've got
and what we expect might be. Might it might look
like in a few years time.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
The forces had to be stoked.

Speaker 24 (47:17):
Sorry, the forces had.

Speaker 17 (47:21):
I am told. I'm told that they are particularly stoked
yesterday afternoon, and I'm sure they'll be stoked today too.
But it's like they've had thirty five years, except for
that small period when Ron Mark was the minister and
he actually got them some some really good kit, but
they've had thirty five years of being gutted.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Frankly, and speaking of speaking Ron Mark, we had him
on the program earlier. He was suggesting it to ACT
in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
First.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
That has nudged you towards these sort of announcements, true
or not.

Speaker 17 (47:51):
No, In fact, i'd say that it was something I've
been working on, as I'm sure you know, for about
the last year or so. But also I am very
very grateful for the support that I've had from both
ACT and you said it first, as well as my
caucus and cabinet colleagues. Understanding that this is big money.
We know it has to happen, but it's a coalition deal.

(48:15):
I'm very happy with the way that they have backed
me up on it.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Having watched the press conference yesterday, I know you're not
going to talk about the money, but just to just
to clear it up for people, because there is some
concern around wages and the fact that there are three
ships tied up because we've got no people. The wages
is a budget announcement which will be made in the
budget that is separate to the billions for ships and
planes and drones.

Speaker 24 (48:39):
That's Friday.

Speaker 17 (48:42):
Aware that last year we've got a big increase, particularly
for our let's say, not the brass, the people, the
ones who are less experienced, we got them a big increase.
And at the moment, the starting so are we going
into the military is about sixty five thousand something like

(49:03):
that plus said military as sorry as to say, plus
accommodation and free medical and all that from their first
start as trainees. But are in there they paus up
towards accommodation. But they do, however, still get free medical
in dital treatment as well as it. So that's not

(49:24):
a bad start at Savalary for someone out of school
or out of university.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
I would agree on the qualifications thing, which wasn't part
of yesterday's announcement but was quietly dropped last year. Apparently
you just basically need to have gone to high school
for three years and you don't even need level one anymore.
Are you taking a risk in terms of talent or
are these just people who didn't get along at school
and the military might just be the magic for them.

Speaker 17 (49:48):
Well, I think it's the letter, and there's aren't mark
to be well that he said, it's probably a home.
I shouldn't really ensuring that I'm going to anyway, he said, Oh,
under the way, it was a few years ago. He said,
even I wouldn't be able to get in there as
and he wouldn't be able to get in there. The
fact is that we need people who will turn up,

(50:08):
who will take orders, will are clever enough to understand
what things mean, but also have an absolute passion willingness
to learn and be part of defense force. So where
are not someone's brilliant academically? That's not necessarily the first
part of court, although that is also helpful.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Yeah, I know, once again, budget you won't explain it,
but you have the billions, and this is billions we
don't have, and I'm a conservative and I worry about
spending money we don't have. Will we be reassured come
budget day that it at least makes sense?

Speaker 17 (50:41):
Yes, I'm very very confident in work at Nichol Willis's Bonance.
Minister's done on this and I would say too too,
is that in New Zealand Defense has eight hundred suppliers
from New Zealand.

Speaker 21 (50:56):
Even now.

Speaker 17 (50:58):
The work that's going to be going into defeats industry here,
particularly arounds of a high tech kit which some museum
and businesses are already supplying. The off court.

Speaker 24 (51:11):
Military.

Speaker 17 (51:12):
We are going to be growing the economy and actually
in a high teach way, not in we're not going
to be building tanks, but we are going to be
building drones.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Good exciting times. Appreciate it very much. Defense Minister Judith
Collins with us this morning, eighteen minutes away from eight
Hostking Trump's now moved on to the EU.

Speaker 25 (51:28):
We have a deficit with the European Union of three
hundred and fifty billion dollars and it's going to disappear fast.
And one of the reasons, and one of the ways
that that can disappear easily and quickly, is they're going
to have to buy our energy from us because.

Speaker 21 (51:43):
They need it.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
They're going to have to buy it from us.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
They can buy it, We can knock off three hundred
and fifty billion dollars in one week. They have to
buy and commit to buy a like amount of energy,
and we have that. You know, we have more energy
than any country in the world.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
I don't know if you know that.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
I see. This is the part I get. Just to
try and reiterate and explain this one more time, that's
the part I get. That's if you're not a free trader,
which New Zealand is and he isn't, then that's the
part you can line up alongside Trump. So if you've
got a deficit with the place, let's say it's the EU,
and the deficit is several hundred billion dollars, how do
you counteract that they buy more of your stuff? Or

(52:22):
you tariff them. They already tariff America. So in that sense,
I get what Trump's trying to do. If they've got
a twenty percent tariff, he'll match them at a twenty
percent tariff. That part makes some sort of sense. The
part that doesn't make sense, and they still haven't got
to because Netna, who's still in the room is Netna
who's dropped the tariffs. There are no tariffs, there is
no deficit, there's no nothing so how come the tariffs

(52:42):
haven't been dropped? In the American point of view, how
is it that Vietnam can drop the tariffs and there
is no reciprocal arrangement with the Americans. And none of
that part makes sense. And that's why the world and
the markets are up into it at the moment because
no one can make sense of it. Not only can't
they make sense of it, what they can't calculate, and
this is a economist's top to bottom. They can't work
out how they came up with the different numbers for

(53:04):
all the different countries, whether or not there is a
deficit or not. Australia doesn't have a deficit. Australia has
a surplus. America gains by dealing with Australia. Yet Australia
got whacked with the tariff. Why New Zealand is even
Stevens it's a balanced portfolio. We got whacked with the tariff.
Why and until they can explain that, which they can't
and they won't because it's inexplicable, we're gonna have the trouble.

(53:28):
We've got seven forty five.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Good The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by news Talks, it be.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Twelve a way from it. I mentioned on the program
last week a clever Core, which was Fletcher Challenger's prefab facility,
and sadly it closed, and I ran it around the
idea that this is theory versus reality. In theory, if
we ran a poll and said, hey, if somebody came
up with an idea to make housing really cheap and affordable,
do you reckon that's a good idea, and in the
poll everyone to go, oh yeah, fantastic to get amongst that.

(53:58):
And of course in reality where snobs and we don't
want prefab housing, so it never went anywhere. So it's
very good piece in the Herald, and Gibson's written about
why Fletchers have spoken for the first time about why
Clevercor didn't work, and it's in many respects it's a
very sad story. It's going to close by June thirty.
Insufficient volumes, lack of commercial viability, the market downturn, industry reluctance,

(54:23):
and they've gone through a whole list of what went
wrong and they were doing it really well. So what
was sad about it is one they came up with
an idea, so theory Yep, it sounds good to me.
They actually started doing it and it worked. We got
to the stage where we could assemble not just one
home every two days, but three homes a day using

(54:46):
the principle of Kaizin Kisin's the famous Toyota thing, which is,
you know, continual improvement, three homes a day, bang bang
bang bang every day and at a cheaper rate. Why
didn't it get apped up? Why didn't it work? Why
wasn't it successful? Quote? A lot of people don't value time, safety,
your quality unless they're sold this. Customers simply don't know

(55:09):
what's possible. So is that on Fletchers for not selling
it in a way that people understood. Unlike the typical
builders merchant market, you don't get rebates or loyalty reward
programs or other incentives to use offsite manufacturing. Now, that's interesting,
So that may be a foible of the housing market.
In other words, you know, if you're just building a
house for the house's sake, jib's not giving you a
little bit of extra you know, trip to Fiji for

(55:31):
buying all the jib board stuff like that. So there
are some obviously some lessons learned, But read it in
the Herald Why Fletchers fifteen million dollar clevercre prefab house
building facility failed because the blok around at Steve Evans
is very sad and you make some very salient points
I would have thought on the housing market in general,
but it seemed to me one a clever idea, too
workable and was working, and yet they're closing the doors.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Ten away from it the Matehosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real
Estate eight News Talk.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
They'd be still down about four hundred and something for
the morning thirty seven eight hundred issues. She'll be interesting
to see because we were catching up on the blood
bath at the weekend and there's still it's not as
big a blood bath this morning. But do we carry
on with the blood bath or does it get adjusted?
And given what happened in Asia yesterday, was that so
severe even they've got to find a bottom. So another

(56:21):
interesting day ahead anyway. The World of Wearable Arts is
back executive creative director Brian Burke, returning for US fourth show.
Now Brian Burke is whether it's Brian, very good morning.

Speaker 24 (56:29):
To you, very good morning to you. Thank you for
having me, not at all.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
I note you're on Cyndi Lauper's world tour at the moment.
She got a very good write up as reading in
the Australian Press yesterday. She seems to still at the
age of seventy, whatever she is, she still still seems
to be as good as she ever was.

Speaker 24 (56:45):
She's absolutely she absolutely loves that. The audiences are loving it, knows. Yeah,
it's a very very successful farewell to her for her,
which we're very proud, whether it.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Be fashion or Cyndi Lauper or any stage show. What
I mean, the mind you must have seen as dramatic
in the ability of tick lighting, staging, the wow factor,
so it's not just a person in their guitar anymore.

Speaker 20 (57:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (57:11):
Well, when I sort of came into the world of
creative directing about twenty years ago, is when technology really
merged with everything, which meant there were so many more
possibilities to create worlds and transform music into visuals, you know.
So that's really sort of been my thing since I
started years ago in two thousand and two in Las Vegas.

(57:32):
So visuals with music and I just seem to connect
to as artists and companies that really want to elevate
creative and I think technology is a great way to
do that because it really brings people closer to an
experience that they can have, which is what people want
now we know they want an experience, not to just

(57:53):
sit and watch a show.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
As you go.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Now that's what I like to bring me.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
Sure, as you go into the fourth round of Wearable
Arts you're feeling the pressure. Do you have to come
up with something bigger, bitter and brighter every year?

Speaker 16 (58:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (58:07):
I don't feel the pressure though. It's such a pleasure
to It's great to have a wonderful creative forum where
every year it's fresh, every year it's different, but yet
we always hold on to the DNA because the designs
come from all over the world and they're different. So
we really work and seed off of that creativity to
bring something new and fresh to the audience and surprising

(58:30):
every year here in New Zealand. So it's really a
pleasure to be able to be that creative and bring
that to an audience.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Fantastic looking forward to it as always go well with
the fourth later on this year of course will the
Wearable Arts. It's a big ticket item and well which
said goes like that. Brian Burke, who's the creative director,
of course, four minutes away from eight. Well, having been
on the yellow chairs now for what seems like about
three and a half years, he's got a new plane
on his coffee table this morning, by the way, a
big model plane on his coffee table. That not reference

(58:58):
to that. But he has finally got to the business
of Israeli tariffs.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Well, we're talking about a whole du traade.

Speaker 7 (59:05):
Maybe not, maybe not. Don't forget. We help Israel alive.
You know, we give Isel four billion dollars a year.

Speaker 26 (59:11):
That's a lot like congratulations, by the way, answer, But
we give Israel billions of dollars a year, billions, it's
one of the highest of But we take good care
of our friends, and we don't take care of our enemies.

Speaker 7 (59:27):
We're not taking care of our enemies anymore, but we
do take care.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Of our friends. So what I mean, it's crap. He's
just talking complete crap. He's got to going next to him,
who's cut the tariffs to zero, and they've seen, what
are you going to do?

Speaker 27 (59:41):
Well, we see, maybe we see We're give them billions,
and so many billions. I've never seen so many billions. Oh,
the billions came out and voted for Trump. Every billion
came out and voted for Trump, and.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
So there's no answer.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
What do you do with that goodness? Saying Bruce Hornsby,
what a trick that's going to be after the news,
which is next.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
What's that you say? It is?

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Seven past day. Bruce Hornsby has a style on the
piano you can recognize anywhere, anytime. The way it is
was the start, of course, but surely Scenes from the
south Side is as good as any album anywhere ever.
He's collaborated with everyone hung out for years with a
grateful dead co written with the best and still to
us it's a crime we've never really had him on
the program before, but we can fix that now. Bruce
Hornsby is with us. Good morning and to you.

Speaker 24 (01:00:44):
I love.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Just just for reference, we've been talking about my name
off here, I have you, I don't even know where
to start up, and trying to talk to you for
for forty something years. I'm a massive fan see see
scenes from that let me tell you the story. So
scenes CDs came into my life in the eighties. Right,
first CD I of A bought was Griceland Paul Simon

(01:01:06):
ye second album, Scenes from the south Side, still as
good as it gets. Did you not when Scenes from
the south Side came out? Did you know you had something? Mega?

Speaker 21 (01:01:18):
I wouldn't say I knew that. I never know anything.
I'm too close to it. It's hard to keep perspective
on something that people ask me what it's like to
make a record. I say, and take your all time
favorite song that you love more than any song, and
imagine somebody straps you into a chair and forces you
to listen to that song a thousand times. Several things

(01:01:40):
would happen. One, you'd never want to hear it again.
You'd be totally burnt with it. Two, you would be
becoming numb to it. And in the face of that
massive repetition that is making records, Uh, you have to
retain some sort of objectivity about it. And that's incredibly

(01:02:03):
difficult because of what I just said. So people go, wow,
I hope I never make a record again after that description. So, yeah, no,
I did not know. That's my long winded answer to say, no,
I didn't know. My second record, Sceat from the South
Side was was my attempt to cement the idea that

(01:02:24):
this is my sound for what it's worth a lend
drum machine and a piano, and so that's what I
did deliver them.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
So, having followed you, what you seem to do more
these days is experiment your musically experimentally you're do you
know this why music that you're doing in the collaborations?
How has commercial or how did commercial success sit with
you juxtaposed with your desire just to do what you
want to do musically.

Speaker 21 (01:02:53):
Well, I was always pretty bad at it. That was
a pretty bad quote unquote pop star. I used to
just say, as the Brits would say, maybe you use
this phrase too. We used to just take the piss
out of it and not take it too seriously, maybe
to our detriment. People would go, why are you guys

(01:03:17):
doing this in your videos? Why are you just having
your friends dancing around? I said, well, because it's just
an excuse to get my friends on MTV. I we
don't care about the rest of it. So again I
was not a great personality in that way. I didn't
care about it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
But the success.

Speaker 21 (01:03:37):
Look, I was going to do what I was going
to do, whether it's successful or not. I mean, I've
just always been a musician first, and I was a
bit of a creatively restless soul, and it's just gradually moved.
You mentioned recently, and certainly recently, my records have been
more adventurous, much to the chagrin of a lot of
my longtime fans, who would prefer I do. Like a

(01:03:59):
whole lot of other people who came out in the
eighties or the seventies, who make the same record stylistically
every time. Now that's basically what their longtime fans want.
That's a total prison creatively for me, So I could
never do it. I'm just interested in evolving and pushing.
So when I lose, hopefully, when I lose a certain

(01:04:23):
old time fan that he just hates it, hopefully I
garner some newer and most likely younger fan who goes, Wow,
this is not this is not who who we thought
this guy was, and we like this new guy better.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Do you have that ongoing issue with your audience? Because
I was watching a thing you did last year in
the BBC. You know where you record with an Augustra
and you've done this for years each it's the same song.
It's the hit song, but the intro will be different,
the way you sing it it'll be different. Is that
this is what you do and that's that, and the
audience can love it or height it. That's life.

Speaker 21 (01:05:03):
Well, I feel like that's that's very that's a fairly
conservative move, relatively on my part. The way I play,
the way it is what you're referring to, I'm sure
related to other things I do, so I don't know
what to say about that if if someone thinks that

(01:05:23):
my version of the way it is that I played
with the BBC Radio Orchestra last year live across the UK,
along with two other songs mine Yes, Yeah. One of
them was a big hit in America. Song I wrote
with Don Henley was a hit for him, The End
of the Innocence. The other one is also notable in
a different way, but in more of an indie underground way.

(01:05:47):
Several years ago I was reached out by the great
Justin Burnon of the great indie band Boney Vere, who
comes over there and plays at least Australia. They probably
come to New Zealand as well. They do very well there.
They played this in the Opera House, et cetera, et cetera,
and I started working with him.

Speaker 28 (01:06:05):
It was just like when I was coming up, I've
got reached out. I was reached out to by a
lot of my heroes. I ended up working with a
lot of my heroes. And that was sort of painting
yourself into the mural that you'd been looking at as
a young man, and all of a sudden, you're in it,
and that was I get you. I was thinking about that,
but then it reversed for me in a beautiful way.

(01:06:26):
Younger musicians, spearheaded by this one guy who was a
big deal in the indie world.

Speaker 21 (01:06:33):
I started working with all these younger musicians that for
whom I had been an inspiration to them when they
were coming up. So again it flipped around, and so
I played a song I wrote, I wrote with justin Vernon,
and we did a duet, a duet on this song
called cast Up, and that was the third song.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
Yeah, it was indeed. I'd recommend anyone got to say it.
Just just look it up as really available to the
BBC Radio Orchestra from last year Alive in Front, just
broadcast right around the country. More from Bruce Hornsby just
a couple of moments in the team Past the Mic.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
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Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Zippy News Talk Zippy sixteen Past Day Bruce Hornsby, Well, this,
by the way, Bruce, you know, I obviously you're at
the University of Miami this week. You're performing your alumni
so you're going to be doing and this goes to
favorite songs the way it is, right, So that's the
song that people want. We had Billy Joel on the
program last year and I talked to him about piano Man,
and he doesn't like piano man. He doesn't like performing it.

(01:07:30):
What's your relationship with a song like that that you
must have played like a million times?

Speaker 21 (01:07:35):
Well, as you you you refer to this before because
you heard my version. Now we I have three or
four or five different ways of playing the songs, and
so that that's my way to guard against burnout, guard
against what mister Joel there was talking about. But anyone

(01:07:57):
can relate to that. It's it's so obviously it's such
an all story, the old oh well, you've got to
do the hit thing. But for many years. I was
pretty mean about it in the teens of this century,
maybe even the oughts, when I would not play any
of those songs. Now you have to understand my career

(01:08:20):
is again using the word disparate. It stylistically been all
over the map. And one of my main sort of
top five resume items in the world is that I
played with The Grateful Dead for eighteen twenty months. And
so I was always an improviser. I'm improvising on the

(01:08:41):
way it is on the radio. That doesn't happen. It
was a wonderful accident that happened. So but that's who
I am.

Speaker 16 (01:08:49):
So I am not.

Speaker 21 (01:08:54):
I'm not a great vehicle for your stroll down memory lane.
But I'm not bad. I've gotten nicer. I've got kinder
about it in my diligage.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
I love it when you go back to the University
of Miami in a week or so, the Frost School
of Music is that is there something that let.

Speaker 21 (01:09:11):
Me let me say one thing about that before you
ask the question. Sorry to buddy, uh, you just said,
and you're playing the weddest that was my choice. I
just I said, hey, I'll just do that with this
beautiful string orchestra arrangement that I played with the BBC
with the orchestra there, so that that wasn't them saying

(01:09:34):
requiring or that, because if they required that, I would
have just said, hey, well no, sorry, I'm not doing it.
I don't care that much about any of this. But
I did it just just to make it easy good
for everybody. So that's that's the reason, sorry.

Speaker 18 (01:09:51):
Go ahead, not at all?

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
Is that you giving back this the the alumni returns.
I mean, what a thrill it must be for them
to know when you went there and be your back
giving to this this this Frost School of Music.

Speaker 21 (01:10:02):
Well, I don't know how much of a thrill that
is for anybody there, but they asked that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Okay.

Speaker 21 (01:10:08):
The reason I the reason I said yes, it's because
I've been saying no to them for several years. I
started a program. I endowed a program at my old school,
Sun Tan you is what we used to call it
in Florida, Florida there and this is this is a
program called the Creative American Music Program CAN the CAM program,

(01:10:31):
and it's a songwriter's program where where you're taught to
if you're taught the basic traditions of old time American
music that had been formed, the rock and R and B,
soul world, uh, pop whatever, anything coming out of America
or most anything has been influenced or come from that

(01:10:54):
deep well of old time gut bucket, nasty old American
folk and blues and bluegrass, country, Cajun, on and on.
So so I started this program, funded it down there
and uh and so that's that's that's really My.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
Giving back is fantastic.

Speaker 21 (01:11:16):
That's a very deep contribution. I feel I'm not trying
to pad myself from the back, but that compared to
just doing a gig for their centennial celebration, that's fine,
it's fine. But no, what I did about fifteen years
ago is my my giving back moment to you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
N It's brilliant. What you haven't done, Bruce Hornsby is
too in New Zealand. I don't know that we can
ever fix that, but I'll tell you, I'll tell you
what a joy to meet and talk with you, and
if you ever come here, you more than welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Well, I'd love to do it.

Speaker 29 (01:11:50):
My son.

Speaker 21 (01:11:50):
I have a Sunday play. Who's who just retired from
playing pro basketball is a very good player at the
great LSU Louisiana State University. In college, he spent five
years in Europe and he had a couple of opportunities,
potential opportunities to come there. One was to play for
a team into that area, never New Zealand. But the

(01:12:11):
Tasmanian jump Jack asked, we're recruiting him. His main thing
was Melbourne United made him an offer about a year ago,
year and a half ago. It was a slow offers,
about half what he was making in Europe, so he
didn't take it. But a few days after turning it down,
he thought the better of him. Said men, I've always

(01:12:33):
wanted to come to play in Australia. And I said, yeah,
I've always wanted to play. I would if you go,
I will definitely book a tour. But he he what
he So he called him back and said, hey, sorry,
I reconsider. They said they've already moved. Oh no, that
would have been my moment to come.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Fantastic. Listen real throw Bruce terrific to with you, meet
you and maybe we can do it again sometime.

Speaker 21 (01:13:03):
Sounds good? Okay, make facts and.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
Nicole, that was worth forty years worth of Wait, I
reckon and what's what's with Melbourne University in the crappy
ov Come on, it needs to be delved into another day.
Bruce Hornsburg.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
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seems like one of those at peace kind of guys.
Lovely bloke. What a trick to hear one of the
most accomplished musicians of our time. Mike made my day,

(01:14:37):
week and year to who hear Bruce talk about himself?
Thank you Doug working for OURCA and eighty six. Mic
I put a demo cassette of this guy Hornsby in
my car stereo and just went well. He is one
of the best. Speaking of which Rod little out of
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and the marks? More shortly, it used talk.

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Talk said, so what do we do by way retaliation?
Talked to Catherine earlier on with the EU and the France,
French looking to hit the services sector and the EU
coming with some sort of retaileratory measure later on in
the week. Meantime, Starmer still bangs on about free trade.

Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
We will keep calm and fight for the best deal
with the US, and we've been discussing that intensely over
the last few days. But we are also going to
work with our key partners to reduce barriers to trade
across the globe, to acceleate trade deals with the rest

(01:15:42):
of the world, and champion the course of free and
open trade right across the globe. I just like car building,
that's always been our heritage and we're not going to
turn our backs.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
On it now.

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Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
You came Rod liveles Well US morning might go on
in to you mate. So I was watching Keir Starmer
and do the Chancellor standing at the lane lander of
a Jaguar factory earlier on today. What what are we waiting?
What are we waiting for? Is he going to do something?
Is he part of Europe? Has he got a plan?
Has he got numbers? What where are we at? It's
a cring plan.

Speaker 29 (01:16:21):
Mike is going to do nothing and it's it may
be the best thing to do, because that has been
the policy all the way through since Donald Trump was elected,
which is when Donald Trump does something, do nothing and
it's worked, and it worked, and it's got us you know,

(01:16:44):
these ten percent only ten percent terrast rather than whatever
one hundred and nine percent whatever Chines has got. At
the moment, it's kind of worked. They're playing it very kelly.
They're offering support to the various British industries which might
have been hurt by this, such as the car manufacturers.

(01:17:07):
We still make about nine cars per year, so.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
And it is working.

Speaker 29 (01:17:16):
By refusing to react to the way that the markets
have reacted the way that many foreign politicians have reacted,
it keeps us kind of on site with the USA
and not too distraight from Europe, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
Okay, so if you accept that, that's fair enough, we've
done the same thing, of course, but we've done the
same thing because we're a small island nation at the
bottom of the world. With firming in people, we can't
do anything else. But when stars standing there, hey Jaguar Landrover,
and he goes, I've got your back, what does that mean?

Speaker 29 (01:17:45):
Well, you would assume that it means, if you're Jack
your androver, that he will bail them out of their problems.
It's a long time since the Labor government, or indeed
any government bailed out industry for its failures to adapt
to change in markets. That has been a kind of
given for the last forty years. But perhaps you will,

(01:18:09):
perhaps he will on this, and that's that's all. We
don't know, you know. And various members of the Labor
government have been interviewed on on the BBC on various
other channels and asked what actually you're going to do
and they said, wow, it would be ill advised of

(01:18:29):
us to tell you exactly. I don't think they're going
to do anything right.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
Okay for the moment, okay, but if they're suddenly in
the business of saving jobs, are they saving the jobs?
British Steel as well, which I read over the weekend,
is about to tip out twenty seven hundred people and
can they afford to do that at a time of
local body elections and all of that sort of thing.

Speaker 29 (01:18:48):
I think British Steel is in a different situation and
the Labor Party has a certain reputation for selling out
British Steel. It did so in two thousand and eight
and nine when the works up in Redica and Middlesbrough
were up for grabs and there was no support from
the government at all. I think for I think the

(01:19:10):
difference will be for specialist marquee brands that there will
be some sort of support. But at the same time
there is also the optimism that we might make a
bit of hay while the sunshines, given that we have
fewer restrictions on us lower tariff than any other country

(01:19:31):
in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
Okay, Dan Norris probably wasn't the best headline the Labor
Party got ahead over the weekend.

Speaker 29 (01:19:38):
Pretty dreadful. This is a guy who is a mayor
of the West of England and also a Labor p
He evicted the famous Jacob Riis mog from northeast Somerset
and he's now been arrested. And the charge is a
pretty grotesque Its rape, child abduction and misconduct in a

(01:19:59):
public office. And these aren't historic. The rape charge relates
to the twenty twenties. The Labor Party was very quick,
the government was very quick in kicking him out and
saying he's no longer part of us. But it's another
it's another one of those things, which just adds to

(01:20:20):
the annoyance and disgust with the government because for all
of Keir Starmer's really good work, and it has been
good work on the world stage and in Europe and
in America, it doesn't really translate into popular vote. No, no,
it's a real problem.

Speaker 12 (01:20:40):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
Having said that, I noticed bed Knock yesterday arrived of
the weekend, said that don't expect too much in these
local body elections. I referenced the moment ago. Would Labor
be expecting some sort of pushback from the national program
or are they going to do okay?

Speaker 29 (01:20:54):
I think they're going to do quite badly, but not
as badly as the Tories. The people who will gain
from this will be Reform. You don't have a great
track record in local council elections, very few local council members.
I think they will end up with quite a few,
and that will concentrate the minds of both Labor and

(01:21:14):
indeed the Tories about who they have to be fighting
next time around.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
Quick word on the weather, rod, I'm seeing an increasing
number of it's going to be as warm as s Gunthorpe,
as warm as Tinerife, as warm as Greece. As you know,
pickuplaf is that warm and dry. Its beautiful.

Speaker 29 (01:21:31):
It's warm and dry and it's been beautiful, and it
also means it's been the driest March since nineteen sixty one.
So the farmers are up in arms. This is the
unheard of headline United Kingdom no rain shock, and there
has been no rain and it is a problem for
the farmers at the moment though Easter weekend coming up.

(01:21:53):
Everyone is very very happy about it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
As you should be go well, we'll catch up Thursday.
Rod Little out of the UK at sixteen to night.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
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Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
At be good questions from you as always. Mike Trump
won't drop tariffs against Vietnam because many products are Chinese
they seen to Vietnam label them in Vietnamese. I'm not
sure that's one hundred percent true. A lot of stuff
gets washed through and I alluded this to this yesterday
with Northern Ireland. So they'll wash a lot of stuff
through Northern Ireland depending on whether you're from the EU
or whether you're from the UK. Given the EU's got

(01:22:28):
twenty percent and the UK's got ten percent more likely
what happens in Vietnam is a lot of countries repair
a lot of companies rather repatriated themselves to Vietnam to
avoid the tariffs. So it's not an anti Chinese thing.
These companies were trying to do the right thing, get
to the cheap labor markets plus also not have the
tariffs to hinder their production. Then that's before you get

(01:22:51):
to the Vietnamese situation of companies like Nike, which have
gone to those countries for labor reasons and no other reasons,
and they have stuck with this thing as well well.
Next question, can someone explain with the ceasefire negotiations for
Ukraine have gone quiet? Exactly? And this is sort of
what the Trump team try and do. The chaka or
blitzkrieg just bombbarred you with so much information you forget

(01:23:14):
about the main prize. And so he was going to
fix the war on day one, which of course blatantly
hasn't happened and isn't And the last time we heard
from him on the subject was indeed last week, a
week ago, whereby he was quote very angry and quote
piessed off with Putin and nothing's happened. Literally, nothing's happened,

(01:23:34):
and so that's how these things are unfold by the way,
and what I hadn't realized. The other thing he's claiming
victory on at the moment, which doesn't appear to be
quite as successful as he would claim. What a shock
is the Hootie attack. So he came out of nowhere
a couple of weekends ago and said, a bomb, a bomb,
the Hooties will sort that one out, the Red Sea,
all that sort of stuff, which was good because I've

(01:23:56):
asked on this program. I mean, this has been going
on for a couple of years now, and I've asked
several times, where is the world's military. How is it
you can take one of the great shipping lanes of
the world, have it hijacked by terrorists and not seemingly
want to do anything about it. So he starts bombing
them a couple of weekends ago. I find out yesterday

(01:24:17):
that so far in the last three weeks, they've spent
a billion dollars on doing this, you know, bombs, missiles,
all that sort of stuff. The billion dollars, and as
far as I can work out, for no real gain whatsoever,
the Pentagon will likely need to request supplemental funding from
Congress to carry on with this. The offensive has already
been criticized on both sides of the aisle JD Vance.

(01:24:39):
In fact, jd Vance said he thought the operation was
a mistake. That was in the signal chat published by
the Atlantic last week. So whoops, the Pentagon's not publicly
disclosed what impact that these strikes are actually having. This
is going on on a daily basis.

Speaker 30 (01:24:53):
By the way, today he was sort of talking about
it and mentioned that it was keeping them awake at night. Yeah,
these wouldn't be able to get a good night's sleep
because they've got bombs landing on them.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
What they haven't done, though, is that they have acknowledged
that they've still been able to quote fortify their bunkers
and maintain weapons stockpiles underground. So a billion in counting
more money they don't have from Congress. Yes, they're awake
at night. Yes, according to jd it's a mistake, but
unfortunately not being successful so far.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Night Away from nine, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the
Range Rover of the LA News talks dead b So the.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
Yellow cheers in, the Yellow Cheers in with any you
know closure, what with.

Speaker 18 (01:25:41):
Style falling out over Well, I've dropped my tariffs.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
Okay, well I'll drop ours as well. Or did he
mention Putin or peace or the war or anything?

Speaker 18 (01:25:52):
He thinks that the war in Gaza will be over
very soon.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
We're still running that line. What about eggs? Do you
talk about eggs?

Speaker 18 (01:26:00):
That was earlier on when he was hosting the baseball players.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
Okay, when I.

Speaker 11 (01:26:04):
Came to office, they said the eggs are very gone
through the roof eggs.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Said, what the hell are they talking about?

Speaker 11 (01:26:10):
I was there for four days and they were blaming
me for eggs, and they had They've gone up like
six times.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Or something with some record number. You couldn't get him.

Speaker 11 (01:26:18):
And I just saw the other day they're down seventy
three percent.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
Right, that's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
Are they clapping?

Speaker 18 (01:26:26):
Because they'll take anything At this point, I reckon.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
He says. I was watching him play golf yesterday and
it was a horrible looking day in Florida, windy as hell. Anyway,
he hit this ball. He's got the weirdest swing, but
he hit this ball and you had no idea what
the ball when? And everyone claps and goes great shatzer
great shotser. He just like, how many people we got
sat great shotser. There's eight of them today, great shotser.
They're talking now in Australia about by the way, just

(01:26:49):
before I leave Trump, He's just, he's just. That was
the other question I was going to ask, when do
we stop calling it X which used to be called Twitter.
They changed their name in twenty twenty three. The middle
of twenty twenty three, we're coming up to the two
year anniversary of X. Surely we need to stop saying
X which used to be called Twitter, because we've moved

(01:27:10):
past that. Anyway, He's on truth Social which is not
X or indeed Twitter. The United States has a chance
to do something that should have been done decades ago.
Don't be weak, don't be stupid, don't be Pannikin. It's
a new party. These are his words. A new party
based on weak and stupid people. Pannikin, be strong, courageous
and patient, and greatness will result. I could have been

(01:27:33):
reading a RhoD Dull book, then, couldn't I dang you
reckon the gruffaloes, the ruffaloes, all the other weirds stuff.
It's five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Trending now will chemist? Whereuse the home of big brand
ftamens and the full.

Speaker 4 (01:27:46):
Moon came out and the Pannikins arrived. U where are we? Mission?
Impossible to talking about this yesterday? And who would note?
I mean they must have heard me, because overnight the
first official trailer, not teaser trailer, the final rickoning.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
What exactly is your plan?

Speaker 31 (01:28:06):
All your secrets compromised, Everything you are, everything you've done,
has come to this.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
You gave him an aircraft carrier. This is you're calling
your destiny. I have an obgrant, Lisa.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
I need you to trust me one last time. Everyone
wandering around whispering, well, did.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
They give you an aircraft carrier?

Speaker 21 (01:28:50):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
You tell it's incredible.

Speaker 19 (01:28:52):
Trust me.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
They got through all the missions he's done over the years,
and there's a lot of missions, and they show a
lot of the stunts and a lot of stunts as well.
The big stunt in this particular movies hanging upside down
on a prop plane wing, holding on with one hand.
And the thing about him, if you didn't know this,
he does all with stuff himself because he's cool. Even
though he didn't know this.

Speaker 18 (01:29:12):
Who doesn't know that?

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
Well exactly? I think that's like that's the most he does.

Speaker 30 (01:29:17):
He might be surprised to learn that he also runs
very fast. He runs point in the trailer as well.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
The twenty third of May is when it'll be out
in theaters. That was the last time I went to
the movies, because it was July of twenty three when
the last movie went out, and the missus and I
held hands, bought nace crew and went to the local
theater and watched that movie. And I'll probably repeat the
performance to be there right. That is us back tomorrow
morning from six as always, tepping

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
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