Full Show Podcast: 11 June 2024

On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Tuesday 11th of June, we looked at the Chinese Premier’s upcoming visit to our shores and discussed this and more with the Prime Minister.   

Mike looked at the MPs who are taking the accommodation supplement in Wellington, and whether this passes the pub test or not. 

Infamous comedian Chelsea Handler talked cancel culture, her new residency in Vegas, and skiing naked. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're trusted home for news, for entertainments, opinion and fighting.
Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vida, Live the Age You
Feel News Talks edb.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Blling and Welcome Today. Our relationship with China Front and
center of the Chinese Premier touches down the pms in
the studio on that, but also talk about protests and inquiries.
School attendance numbers look good until they don't and in
that of some of the trouble around too many statistics.
Chelsea Handler, Zimbra catch Up after eight, Catherine Field in
the middle of the EU vote fall out, and Rod
Little pops.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
In from the UK Pasky.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome to the day, seven past six. What is most instructive,
if not unique, about these EU elections is that the
European Union is a collective of course countries and their mood.
They swing with the times, but the EU vote captured
twenty seven countries all at once. It's a massive snapshot,
and the snapshot of this round as big, big change
is coming as the continent moves very distinctly to the right.

(00:53):
A lot of the media call it the far right,
but that's the bit that makes it interesting. A lot
of it's driven by illegal immigration, of course, something it
as a small isolated country at the bottom of the world,
we don't really have, but it's close. Australia is grappling
with him and has done, and at fairly large political cost,
over many many years. If you go back in Australia,
they ride by boat, and John Howard many elections ago,
resurrected his entire career as well as his government's fortunes

(01:16):
by stopping the boats. And Europe some are ride by boat,
but a lot simply walking. Angler Merkel invited them in
several summers ago. You may remember one million of them.
It was the beginning of the end of her time
in charge. A legal immigration strikes fear in Britain. For
ashisnak knew how to actually stop the boats. He would
have because it's nail and as government's coffin in about
three weeks time. There are other factors, of course, like

(01:37):
the economy, but fear can be easily used to stoke
more fear, and so it has been replicated over and
over across the continent. But surely at some point when
the so called far right win and win well, they
become mainstream. Li Penn and France biggest vote thirty percent,
that's mainstream. Are you still far right or are you
simply popular? Maloney in Italy feared with no shortage of

(01:59):
far right headline and attached to a name, And yet
now dare we suggest popular terms like far right are
used with they disdain, and yet you dismiss increasingly large
groups of people in a democracy. The left are rarely
referred to as the far left or extreme left, Yet
the rules don't apply the other way.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
How much of that sort of dismissal do you think
played into the rise of the popularity of those who
now run the place.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
And they head to election central. The Belgian PM quit
so they need a new one. Of those are the
French thereafter the polls.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
I think he's really cynical and he's playing a dangerous
game because I think he's risking to play out of
security and the stability of French democracy.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I think he spot on Catherine with more on that shortly.
In Britain, they're well down the track of their campaign
and the promises are getting silly as money is tossed
about the place. The Lib Dems have billions for the NHS.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
I can give you many examples of libert Democrat fessors
where other parties didn't have those policies, but we change
them in the next parliament.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Rishie, he's been at the pub, not drinking his troubles away,
but trying to sound like he's got a plan.

Speaker 7 (03:11):
I believe I've got the right plan for the country.
We're the only party willing to take bold action.

Speaker 8 (03:15):
That's how we deliver It's the Key future and I'm
going to keep taking that message to as many people
as possible between now and polling day.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
So the Key has got a plan too, with money.
This is a better plan, but of course we want
to complete on the government's plan, but actually do it
in a way that's planned and deliverable.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
There's it's a good idea, but not deliverable.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
So many plans other metaters and Britain. We are a
couple of twelve year old murderers.

Speaker 9 (03:37):
When you look at the facts of this case and
see some of the decisions made by the suspects after
the offense, it does bring home to you the level
of immaturity that we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
And the Prince popped out to heavy word with the
footballs before they hit after the Euros.

Speaker 8 (03:52):
I think the biggest thing I've known from coming and
seeing you guys over the years and every interesting I've
been into is the togetherness. And I get that you
know what characters are stilled in all of you over
the years. I really feel your unit.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Finally, it is the third time round for Sam book
at the Sicilia and their cheap home. So back in
twenty nineteen they made headlines when they sold homes for
a euro with a stipulation you had to renovate within
three years. He did the same thing in twenty twenty one,
but they doubled the price. You had to pay two
euros for a house. And now round three. Guess what
that's right, it'll start at three euros. Since all this began,

(04:24):
by the way, they've come from far and wide, all
over the world, a village of six thousand people and
they've seen an influx of more than forty two million
dollars into the local economy. So that is news of
the world in small villages in ninety seconds. Yeah, just quickly.
On the European results, it still washes through the greens
of the biggest losers or one of the biggest losers,
and there's great deal banks around climate change. They're calling
it the green lash. People are sick and tired of

(04:47):
the policies designed to tackle the climate crisis. Not that
broadly speaking of the climate crisis isn't the thing, but
it's the obsession that we've heard, the endless banging of
the drum and the headlines about it, and people are over.
So they're left landing Green's European Free Alliance. They will
end up with about fifty two seats. They did have
seventy one, and in that I would have thought is
a message twelve past.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Six costing breakfast.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
And then we come to Germany. We're all of Schultz's
and serious years trouble because the AfD once again referred
to as far right, and probably correctly so in this case,
but nevertheless, the AfD huge gains became the second strongest
party in Germany at fifteen point nine percent, ahead of
Schultz's own party of SPD. So if Macron sees a
loss as a reason to trigger a snappole, if Belgium

(05:32):
sees a loss as a reason to see the prime
minister to quit, where does that leave Schultz in Germany?
Fifteen past six from JMI Wealth Andrew Kelleher, Good morning,
Very good morning, Mine, right crunch some numbers we're spending
or not not really.

Speaker 10 (05:48):
Well, we are, but we're not keeping track with the
price increases.

Speaker 11 (05:51):
So one of the data points we're keeping an eye
this week locally is the electronic car transaction data. Now
it's been very soft on an outright basis then in fact,
for inflation and population increase, the numbers are well, they're
actually awful, particularly if you're a retailer. That's due out
later this week, but ahead of that, A and Z
yesterday released their merchant and cards spending numbers. So this

(06:13):
is looking at transactions on A and Z issued cards only.
But they are the biggest bank in New Zealand. So
it's a good read of what's going on. You get
very good granularity, Mike, very good detail. So they've seen
a two point three percent annual growth in spending. Critically,
though we all know that inflation has been increasing faster
than that, so inflation adjusted, their spending numbers are declining.

Speaker 10 (06:34):
Also.

Speaker 11 (06:34):
Now, the categories that have been soft that we've seen
sort of we've seen weakness and continue to be weak.
So that's durables, discretionary spending, clothing retailers in those sections
I still think are in for a challenging time ahead.
Tourism spending is now a drag on spending growth. There's
one bright spot on that. It's called miscellaneous services. Now

(06:56):
I'm not completely sure what's in that category, but do
tells the strength is driven by finance services and we
know that you've got buy now, pay later in there,
so that's being driven by people borrowing to spend. Durables
has declined pretty sharply, so think home appliances, furniture, consumer electronics.

(07:17):
That's all related to the housing market, so very much
a reflection of weaker residential property sector and just recently
this tourism and business goods and services.

Speaker 10 (07:26):
They've fallen into negative territory.

Speaker 11 (07:28):
You can see that weakness might You can see it
starting back in February, and I think anecdotally when we
were talking to different businesses, that's when they started saying
that everything was just starting.

Speaker 10 (07:38):
To slow down.

Speaker 11 (07:40):
Going back to sort of that housing related spending, some
categories here have really created my coming. Architect Engineering and
surveying down twenty one percent year on year.

Speaker 10 (07:52):
That's a big number.

Speaker 11 (07:53):
Roofing contract is down twenty percent, so significant pain in
those sectors. Restaurant and bar spending down six percent year
on year. I'm picking that you're going to see quite
you know, so you're going to see some cafes and
restaurants sort of struggle to make it through this winter,
through the winter the next three months. Marine services down
ten percent, and I'm looking for positives in here making

(08:14):
All I can think of was that twenty twenty five,
as we get through into twenty five should be better.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
It'll be better next year.

Speaker 10 (08:20):
It'll be better next year.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
I told on now the Fed this week, very big week.
We're going to be seeing the dot plots, aren't we.

Speaker 11 (08:26):
We are, so not much in the way of local
data this week. I just said, we've got that Carddard.
You've got some migration numbers, selected price indexes later this week,
so things like food price index, but very important stuff
having in other jurisdictions. The big year, as you say,
is the Federal Open Market Committee will report this hot
off the press on Thursday morning.

Speaker 10 (08:44):
This is the decision on the level of the Fed.

Speaker 11 (08:46):
Funds rate US equivalent of the official cash rate so
far this year we've seen a significant recalibration of expectations
around how quickly the Fed will reduce that rate and
me in the beginning of the people were talking about
six cuts to the FED funds. Right now we're debating
whether or not we'll get one or two. Yeah, we
get an update on the famous dot plots. This is
where the fo MC or the members actually dot you know,

(09:09):
put dots on the on the plot where they see
the FED funds right at the end of the year.
The attention is highlighted, of course by recent rate cuts
from Bank of Canada ECB. So the floodgates opening, I
think that probably will be. That's probably a little bit exciting.
Excitable also, Mike, in the last few weeks, US economic
dart has given us some support the soft landing scenario,

(09:32):
and there's an inflation number as well. This week's CPI
Thursday morning too, so SEAPI and FED market moving events
I'm not expecting to see I think radically out of
the FED steady she goes there. I think Bank of
Japan up to the plate later this week as well.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Right, let's have some numbers.

Speaker 10 (09:50):
The US markets are.

Speaker 11 (09:51):
In positive territory, so the Dow Jones up around fifty
points at the moment, and forty eight s and P
five hundred is up ten points five three to five eight.
Then Nasdaq up thirteen points seventeen thousand, one hundred and
forty eight. Now the forty one hundred was down point
two and I just commented that most European markets were
weaker overnight, so that French election uses rattled European markets

(10:15):
a little bit. The nick was up point nine three
percent thirty nine thousand and eighty three. Shangha comps it
up two three oh five to one. The OSSI's Yes
Day gained just under half percent point four to nine
percent seven eight six.

Speaker 10 (10:28):
So oh they were shot. Actually that's Friday's numbers, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (10:31):
The INSE next fifty eleven thousand, seven hundred and eighty seven,
down sixty nine point five eight percent. One Kiwi dollar
on the wholesale markets were by two point six one
two to US point ninet two six six Ossie point
five six eight nine Euro zero point four eight oh
seven pounds ninety six point one one. Japanese yen gold
trading at two thousand, three hundred eleven dollars, And unfortunately

(10:52):
I have to report the Brent crew has gone back
up eighty one dollars and fifty four cents.

Speaker 10 (10:56):
Sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Catch up to my I appreciateor Andrew Kelleher, Jomiwealth dot
zsky Copetino, California. As we speak the Annual Worldwide Developers
Conferences on we're at Apple and dub is what they
call it. We're expecting artificial intelligence features updates on the iPhone,
the Mac, the iPad, the Apple TV, the Apple Watch,
all of that sort of stuff. They're under a bit
of pressure Apple to dibby up on the AI and
see what they're doing. Tim Cook says big plans his words,

(11:19):
not mine.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
Have some details later in the show.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
We're going to have some details later on the show.
Are they big plans? Well, not really.

Speaker 7 (11:26):
I don't want to give anything.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Well, I know, could be big plans. Six twenty one
here at News toorps B.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
The Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
While I'm on the broad theme of democracy and I
use the word Philly usually because I'm about to enter
into the world of Iran. The Guardian Council has approved
a whole bunch of people are the parliament Speaker and
five others to run for this June twenty eight presidential election.
You'll remember the president got killed in the helicopter crash
a couple of weeks ago. I see, I'm going to
Jaz is not part of that group. They don't like him,

(12:02):
so he's been banned and that's how they work in Iran.
So it's a short and two week campaign, so record
low turnout, and there is growing tension internally apparently about
their rapidly advancing nuclear programs. They are a little bit
anngsty about that. In the Israel, Lahamas Warm isn't helping
things either. So the campaign are no women, by the way,
I don't even know that I need to say that,
do I? No women are allowed, don't have women. Campaign

(12:25):
will include live televised debates. Candidates will advertise on billboards.
You don't think of I ran and billboards necessarily, do you.
They'll offer stump speeches if they want to. So far,
none of them have offered anything specific. They've all promised
better economics, don't they always see? It's the same all
over the world. The most prominent candidates a guy called

(12:46):
Kula Buff Muhammad, former teh ran Meyer, close ties to
the Revolutionary Guard. What a surprise. So if he's got
close ties with the Revolutionary Guard and he's popular, it's
basically the end of that, isn't it. Six twenty five.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Trending now with chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy all year.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Round, the Davis so Schentel faragews he would lead the
Reform Party again. More candidates have been coming forward to
be a part of that particular erection. Unfortunately George Woodwood
He's gone viral this morning for the wrong reasons. George
is trying to win the seat of Lee and Etherton
and legal immigration has been a reason for the running.
George seems to be though, getting a little bit mixed
up between how people get into the country. See if

(13:27):
you can spot it, what was it that made.

Speaker 12 (13:29):
You decide that you wanted to get it was the
state of the country. I think mainly migration is what
drives me to get to get involved. I think I
had a moment last year is coming through an airport
and I was the ar Ivors, you know, the British border,
and I was like, wow, you know there's a lot
of people coming in here and mean to re examined this,
you know what the airport?

Speaker 13 (13:48):
Yeah, yeah, A lot of those tourists, the precious people
coming back from abroad, some.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Of them, some of them, yeah, some of them absolutely,
some not.

Speaker 10 (13:56):
So you can tell.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
You can tell people sneaking in through the airport the airport.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Now wow, with their luggage and their passports. Anyway, part
of what this is about is Farage says Rishi has
no connection with the country. This is after D Day,
this dog whistle politics, accusing Rishi of not understanding our culture,
and so people have started to go off a little
bit about all of that. Tell you what, Germany has

(14:25):
updated the wartime plan as a result of what's going
on in that part of the world at the moments.
I'll work you through some of that in just a
couple of moments. Rod, by the way, will be with
us on the campaign trail after eight point thirty this morning.
Meantime news is next. You're a news talk, said B.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
The newsmakers and the personalities, the big names, talk to
Mike my Costing, breakfast with Jaguar, the art of performance news.

Speaker 7 (14:54):
Talk, said B.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Get it while it's going. Read a very interesting report yesterday.
The gold industry is struggling to actually sustained production. They
can't find it and where they can find it increasingly
expensive to dig out of the grounds. From the World
Gold Council. Mine production up only half of percent last year,
had a record first quarter this year up four percent,
but it's plataued since twenty sixteen twenty eighteen, no growth

(15:17):
since then. Twenty twenty two growth was one point three
percent year on year, So they can't do it. Large
scale mining, very capital intensive, needs a lot of exploration,
a lot of development, and takes an average of ten
to twenty I didn't know this part. Takes an average
of ten to twenty years before a mine is ready
for production. So Shane Jones is into gold apart from

(15:37):
the oil and gas and anything else. So when it's
supply demand and the supply isn't there but the demand is,
you know what happens to the price twenty three to seven?
Right Macron, he's got a headachere of nightmare or probably
a bit about snap elections on. We'll go to Catherine
in France for you very shortly. You meantime back home,
pretty budget, no shortage of noise about tax cuts, of course,

(16:00):
how we couldn't afford them all. We'll ask a sole
trader you might find a different answer. We've got a
survey show seventy seven percent support for lowering the second
bracket tax rate from seventeen point five to fifteen point
five percent, seventy four percent support for a two percent
tax credit for self employed people, and a fifty seven
percent support level for lowering income tax rates by profession
Now there's an idea, Henry CEO James Fuller willis, good morning,

(16:21):
Good morning. Questions I found very interesting and will work
through them in a couple of minutes. What were you
looking to find out in the way you're asking these questions.

Speaker 14 (16:29):
So when we do this this survey quarterly, we as
sole traders around their businesses, how they're feeling, intimate, eutonomic
from a personal standpoint, and so prior to the budget,
we went out to sole traders to say, what are
the things that you would like to see from the
government when it comes to supporting the sole trader sector.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Okay, and were you surprised by the results?

Speaker 14 (16:50):
Well, not particularly. I mean, soul traders make up about
four hundred thousand businesses in New Zealand and so it's
no surprise that they would want to see themselves be
recognized by the government some fiscal policies that they believe
could really help inject some life into what is quite
a stagnant economy.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
And the reason I asked the question is because, of course,
if you followed the media, every man and his dog
has his hand out at the moment, and we can't
afford tax cuts, and we need even more money for
the government to spend on even more things. And yet
suddenly you find four hundred thousand New Zealand doers who
think completely differently.

Speaker 14 (17:21):
Well, it's interesting. I don't think soul traders are looking
for a handout here. They're really just coming up with
fresh ideas to not only stimulate the economy but also
to keep pace with other OECD countries. So we know
from recently the government is looking to other countries for
policy ideas, whether that's Estonia, and these are interesting ideas
that so soult traders are supporting that do make sure
we can keep pace with the likes of France or

(17:43):
the Netherlands, who have specifically recognized the benefit that sole
traders bring to their economy.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Does it get complicated? Seventy four percent support for a
two percent tax credit. Once you go down you can
have a bit here and a bit there. Does it
get administratively complex?

Speaker 14 (17:57):
Well, I think what's interesting is we've seen the government
last few weeks make what I would say would be
sort of sledgehammer changes to the tax system, Whereas I
think what we're talking about here is more of taking
a scalpel in certain areas. So if you look at
the sort of fifty seven percent that support lowering income
tax rates by profession to encourage more people to become
self employed, you have this brain drain in sectors like nursing,

(18:19):
in the trades where people are going across the Tasman
So actually do it. Looking to do what they do
in France, which is to incentivize people to stay in
those trades or to go into those trades, is a
great way of simulating those specific parts of the economy.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'm glad you raise that because that's a lot of
support fifty seven percent. But when you go by a profession,
I mean there's Jesus, I mean what am I am?
I a broadcaster, am iya nurse, amy, a builder? And
I mean I could be anything I want, couldn't I?
And that's where your problem rises.

Speaker 14 (18:47):
Well it doesn't, it doesn't, I mean, id already stot
of what people do, and you look at the whole
acc system is already set up to charge based on
people's exact profession. So we already have this data within government. Surely,
just a case of actually enacting those calculation changes at
a government lew.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
And you would argue they got the weirdwithal to do
that if they really wanted to. So it's just a
mindset that needs changing.

Speaker 14 (19:11):
Yeah, I think it's about recognizing soul traders and the
benefit that they bring to the economy. I think there's
been a big, sort of a glutted understanding of some
successive governments about whose sul traders are and what value
they bring. And what we're seeing from this survey is
that forty four percent of sultrade is believe they'll actually
be worse off due to the government's cup decisions. And
then in are still fourteen percent aren't actually confident that

(19:31):
the government can deliver on these election promises.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Very good, indeed, James, appreciate your time. James Fuller, who
is the Henry spelt h Nry these days? The CEO.
It is nineteen away from seven fosking good and bad
news on the avocados for you. Bad news is the
crop is not brilliant, but the good news is it's
a bit of quality. Therefore it's going to be exported,
which is good ultimately for us, but not good for
you when you're looking for it locally. So twenty twenty

(19:56):
three lot of fruit was not good enough to export,
so it all came locally. New season, it looks reasonably
good just starting of course, seven million trays. Similar to
last year. It will be split between domestic and exports.
Our quality looking really good and that's why more of
it's going overseas. Over the last decade Australia they've taken
around eighty five percent of our exports, but the last
three years that's dropped below fifty because the Australian's growing

(20:17):
a lot of their own. But we are back apparently
into Canada North America. So if the returns are good,
ultimately good for the country, but you might have to
pay a little bit more. Down at the Grengrosser eighteen
to two.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
The Mike Costing breakfast quick question for you.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
We'll talk more about it after seven o'clock. So we've
got the national MP for o Taki, North Wellington of course,
Tim costly some people getting exercised about this. He's another
one of these MP's expenses people. Right, So he claims
thirty six and a half thousand grand a year housing allowance,
but he lives in his own apartment despite living just
fifty eight k's from Parliament. Now it is fifty eight
k's from Parliament. Too close to Parliament, therefore you don't

(20:54):
need your own house. Therefore you don't need your expenses.
And that's before we get to Kim macinnaulting at the
other side of the Labor Party. He's claiming he's from Masterton.
He's claiming expenses for his place, which isn't his place.
The place he stays happens to be his wife's place.
So he's getting the allowance for staying at his wife's
place in Wellington. So this this is starting to exercise

(21:15):
the hand ringers again. So more shortly six forty.

Speaker 15 (21:17):
Five International correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance, Peace of
Mind for New Zealand Business Right General of the World at.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
The mind of teams in France, Captain feel very good
morning to you, Good morning mine. So the day after
do we have a hangover? As Macron going oh, my lord,
what did I do? Or are we full steam ahead here?

Speaker 16 (21:35):
I'm not sure what the President of the Republic is thinking,
but I think the rest of France is thinking, what
a gamble?

Speaker 17 (21:43):
What has he done? Yes, we spoke what just about
this time yesterday Mike, and no one could understand why.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
He was doing it.

Speaker 16 (21:52):
We're getting a clearer picture of why he decided to
do it. He felt as though he had been pushed
in for corner.

Speaker 17 (21:57):
He doesn't like this.

Speaker 16 (21:59):
He apparently been thinking about having an election, the parliamentary
elections in the autumn sort of September October period.

Speaker 17 (22:07):
But decided at the end of the day. The country
is quite well off at the moment.

Speaker 16 (22:12):
Everyone's feeling a bit up and try and catch the
opposition on the hop and get everyone out to vote.
You know, everyone's still wandering around thinking, well, is this
going to solve any of the problems. And we've just
had first projections in on how the parliament would work out,
and yes, okay.

Speaker 17 (22:31):
This is the first poll.

Speaker 16 (22:32):
But it's looking as though, yes, Mahine, the Pen's party
will get a majority of seats, but will fall short
of having a majority in parliament.

Speaker 17 (22:40):
So we could be going through all this, Mike, and
then end up with a coalition minority government.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
See what happens in this particular part of the world
has done throughout history is if you call a snap election,
you've got to have a really good reason for it,
or else generally at the polls you'll be punished. Is
that the Simon front, Well, the good reason that he
had was this whole.

Speaker 16 (23:03):
Ever since he came to power for the second time
in twenty twenty two, we've had deadlock in the parliament.
The parliamentary elections were a couple of weeks later. He
hasn't had a majority in parliament, so he hasn't been
able to get any of his big legislation through. Every
time it's had to be trading this against this policy
against that. We've had things like the budget has had

(23:24):
to be pushed through by decree. Earlier this year, we
had the immigration Bill put through, and he put so
much of it through that in the end it went
to the Constitutional Council and they threw out a lot
of the clauses that Mahining la Pen's party put in there, so.

Speaker 17 (23:38):
It couldn't go on.

Speaker 16 (23:39):
He'd been facing a lot of censure motions in Parliament.

Speaker 17 (23:44):
There was a question mark.

Speaker 16 (23:45):
Remember we spoke about this last week when that downgrade
four the economy came in. He was going to have
trouble getting his budget through come November.

Speaker 17 (23:56):
So it was a bad time. None of the none
of them. If you like, the.

Speaker 16 (24:01):
Lights were flashing green, that's going to be okay. It
was all saying warning, warning ahead, okay.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
What's the vibe generally, Catherine? The Greens got hit badly.
I know there's angst around the climate change policies of
the European Union. The Belgian Prime Minister's quit because of it.
Ol Of Schultz is under tremendous pression now because his
party got a trouncing as well. What's the vibe.

Speaker 16 (24:23):
The vibe is thank goodness at least that this Center
for the European Parliament has held.

Speaker 17 (24:29):
That was a big relief.

Speaker 16 (24:31):
Yes, here in France it looks bad because the far
right did so well. But the vibers okay, they've kept
parliament to the European Parliament. The Greens aren't as strong
as they were. There is a question about the budget.
How's this going to work? But I think again we
come back to France, that major country right in Europe.

(24:51):
It is central to the European Union in turmoil at
the moment politically, and whatever happens in France will directly
effect whatever is going to happen the EU.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Ain't that the truth? Nice to catch up with you.
We'll see next Tuesday. Cats from field in France for
us this morning already ten to seven.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
My cost Gil breakfairs with Bailey's real Estate News Talks EP.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Just why I ask the question? So this, first of all,
this is Tim Costley nationally mp O TAKEI thirty six
and a half grand for an allowance on his own place.
Prime Minister got into trouble mainly with the media. I
don't think anyone else really cared. He owns an apartment
in Wellington. He was claiming it because he's entitled to claim.
All of this is within the law. It's within the rules.
It's the rules set up. And we've been if you

(25:31):
go back to Bill English, the Bill English scenario, if
your memory goes back along and we've been here many
many times before, and we seem to I just don't
get why we're trying to make the same story over
and over again. So they write to stuff in their
angsty left leaning way o tacky. MP Tim Costley owns
a one point four million dollar riverside home and why

(25:54):
can I who cares two rental properties in Palmerston and
a Wellington flat, and so he's claiming for the Wellington flat.
Here's an argument is this. It works out about the
same if he stayed in the hotel. So what is
it we're whining about. Are we whining about the fact
that he's claiming the money or we're whining about the
fact that doesn't go to a hotel because the same

(26:16):
amount of money is being spent. The safest, most sustainable
way for me to function as an MP is to
stay at Wellington where the house is sitting. Seems perfectly
sensible to me. As a junior MP, I'm required to
stay on the precinct until at least ten o'clock at night,
often there later after midnight urgency. I'm required to be
back at the Parliamentary Precinct for really meetings starting between
seven thirty and eight thirty in the morning. So going
all the way back up the Capital case and all

(26:37):
the way back down is a waste of his time,
a waste of his energy. So he stays in the
place in town he's allowed to. Those are what the
rules say. Meantime, Kieren macnaughty, who's in wire rapper. I'm
assuming they're not inferring that he needs to drive all
the way back to the wire rapper and then all
the way back again. He stays at a place that
happens to be his wife. His wife bought the place
before they got married. He's not on the wall because
he doesn't you know, he's not on it. He just

(26:57):
happens to be his wife. So he's staying at a
place which he's entitled to do. So my question is,
what is it you want? Do you want these people
to work for nothing? Do you want these people to
trapes home every night, come back every morning, have no allowances,
no money, no nothing, and preferably turn up on the
public area of the Parliament so we can whip them

(27:18):
as well?

Speaker 10 (27:19):
Is that what you want?

Speaker 16 (27:20):
It?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Shall we throw apples and free it?

Speaker 17 (27:22):
Well?

Speaker 7 (27:22):
Why do they have a whip?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Goodness sake? Five minutes away from said.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
All the ins are the outs. It's the fizz on
the Mike Husking breakfast on news Talk.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Said, but from global consumer insights company called Protocol Theory,
they've done some work with a company here called easy Crypto,
and what they found is that forty five percent of
us either own, have owned, or are considering owning future
investments in crypto. So there's most of it, of course
considering owning, because no way in the world forty five
percent of is either own or have owned. It's also

(27:54):
found the rise in crypto in some small part due
to the bank profits. Thirty three percent say crypto's appeal
is that banks and companies profit less, and they think
governments and banks are the top two things standing between
them and financial freedom. Really could I suggest hard work
might be in there as well. It's not really the gun.
If you work a bit harder, you might be closer

(28:15):
to financial freedom. They also said they were looking at
crypto as an alternative to the quarter acre dreams. Sixteen
percent said they could invest a small amount of real
estate over time, compared to sixty percent who believe they
could do the same with crypto. Twenty six percent said
crypto gives greater equality for everyone, compared to twenty three
percent who think the same with property investments. There are
barriers to it. Seventy two percent so they haven't invested

(28:38):
because it's all a bit confusing, No kidding, it's because
it's a ponzi scheme. Sixty seven percent say the information
is difficult to understand. No kidding, it's because it's a
ponzi scheme. It's also seen as a bit of a
get rich quick scheme. No is who told you that
crypto get rich?

Speaker 10 (28:54):
No?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Forty percent say they will get high returns quickly. And
because you're often message me after Andrew Caller has bit
the the bitcoin price this morning is one fourteen, one
hundred and fourteen thousand, could potentially get a boost. Rumors
China's going to look at unbanning bitcoin and other virtual
currencies as well. So that's your update on the old bitcoin.

(29:16):
What do you reckon the number of people who actually
own right here, right now this morning as a percentage
of the New Zealand population who actually owned bitcoin? Irick,
it's five.

Speaker 7 (29:23):
Percent according to social media. There's you, of course, I reckon.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
This figure or social media. I'm big on bitcoin. I
move market spleen, I'm a market movement in the bitcoin now.
I reckon it's between five and ten percent. Anyway, news
for you in a couple of moments, then Christopher Luxen
this morning on the Chinese visit. He's in the studio
after seven thirty.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
The Breakfast Show You Can Trust The Mic Hosking Breakfast
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Speaker 2 (29:50):
B seven past seven. The New Zealand China relationship front
and center this week as the Premier Lee Chiang hits
the country and has sweeped through the region. New Zealand
China Council head Alista Croziers with on all of this,
elus the morning, Good morning mate, so very much. He's
going through Australia as well, so very much. They're re
engaged in this particular part of the world.

Speaker 16 (30:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (30:09):
I think it's a really positive sign. The premier has
been in office for just over a year now, hasn't
been down here before as premier, but our Prime Minister
obviously formed Prime Minister Hipkins went to China last year,
so yeah, as part of that regular tempo of high
level exchanges.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I read out of Australia that he's taking a big
business delegation there. I'm assuming he's bringing one here. Is
there much business still to do and continue to grow
or is it so big, we're kind of reached peak China.

Speaker 18 (30:37):
Well, there's absolutely room for growth. China is still predicting
that its middle class is going to double in the
next fifteen years from four hundred million to eight hundred million.
So I think we need to look a little bit
beyond the speed wobbles coming out of COVID and focus
on the absolute size of the market. Even if if
annual GDP growth slows, the loot increase to Chinese economy

(31:02):
is going to be huge.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
I'm also reading about the CPTPP and they want it,
and the Chinese want in and we can probably help
them do that. Is any of that realistical or not?

Speaker 18 (31:09):
Do you think, oh, look, I mean New Zealand's approach
is that we welcome any country that can meet the
very high standards of the CPTPP. I think we'd be
naive to think it was not also about regional politics,
and so the other members of the agreement have to
want China as well. But you know that it's going

(31:31):
to be an extended discussion, but I think it's one
worth having because we need China in these key key
economic blocks.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
And how long is the meeting going between him and
Luxel and before the word orcust comes up, do you reckon?

Speaker 18 (31:43):
It may not come up at all.

Speaker 19 (31:45):
It may be a little bit more diplomatic than that,
but certainly you know it's clear from the visits we've
already had this year by the Foreign Minister and the
head of the Communist Party International Department.

Speaker 18 (31:57):
That's going to be an exchange and both sides have
read through their talking points twice this year to each other,
and so there'll be another open, honest exchange of views.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Good on, yellister Alistair Crazy, who's the executive director of
the New Zealand China Council, imagine making a living talking
through talking points nine minutes past seven pask getting Crystal
Luxen in the studio after seven thirty with more on that.
Of course, we've got new stats on our school attendance
and May it was eighty two to eighty four percent
for most days, down from a high of eighty nine
percent at the start of the term in April. Meantime,
a briefing paper to David Seymour, who's the Associate Education Minister,

(32:33):
says only fifteen percent of students are meeting the government's benchmark,
So what are we make of all of this. Darfield
High School Principal Andy England is with us on this Andy,
very good morning to you, Cure and Mike. We stand
a very good chance of being run over by too
many stats, don't we. I mean, what do we read
into this? Is it eighty nine? Is at eighty four?
Is too is at fifteen? What's going on?

Speaker 20 (32:52):
Well, look, there are so many stats out there is
on the level. I'll just give you some from Darfield
High School. We were from last term. We were ninety
one one percent Tuesday to Thursday, eighty nine percent on
a Monday, and eighty seven percent on a Friday.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
See, and then that is the cold hard reality of life.
If people can't be bothered turning up on a Friday
at work, why would you expect your kids to turn
up on a Friday at school?

Speaker 21 (33:15):
Well?

Speaker 20 (33:15):
You, yeah, I think there's a little bit more to
it than that. Actually, we're trying to dig into it.
So just in a survey, and here's another stat forty
seven percent of correspondents said that education is important. But
I am also I also value life skills with a family,
of course you do. So we've got a few people,
I think probably say the kids out for a long
weekend hunt or a ski something else on a Friday,

(33:38):
although to be sad, they weren't skiing in turn one
were they? It's interesting that trades academies that also operate
on a Friday have nearly one hundred percent attendance. Oh,
I think we have to dig behind the stats.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, exactly. Do you think any of it's achievable in
the sense that I wonder if they're a bit bogged
down with statistics and in reality, if you once you
take out illness genuine illness, do you know, for examp
ample with the illness is genuine or not? Who you
just accept the kids not there for a couple of
days and they said they're ill.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
It is the letter.

Speaker 20 (34:06):
Yeah, we can't really test anymore. It's only a way
for a long period of time. You might ask, But
the reality is we have so many it's like it's
a rotating doors, so many people coming and going, and
I think thickness. Yeah, we can't ask people for evidence exactly.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
So how much preciative you place on them around a
Friday or a Monday.

Speaker 20 (34:25):
Well, the way the trades academy is, it's very clear
you have to be there to pass the court. So
I think that's a great example where some of those
black and white rules can really help. There's one hundred
percent expectation of attendance on a Monday as well. The
sickness thing is interesting, isn't it, Because are you sick
on a Monday? Or why would we have more people
sick on a Monday than a Tuesday, for example. So
that's why I say, I think we've got to understand

(34:46):
it more. I think the clarity of the rules will help.
It's a base level. But I also think that we've
sort of got a look at our model of education
because ever since COVID parents have been a lot more
picky consumers than in every outpect of life. All are
still a sort of factory model that we've always had.
So I'm hearing more parents saying, well, we want to
homeschool one day two days a week, and at the

(35:07):
moment the models are not really there for that sort
of learning, but in some ways it.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Can be quite helpful.

Speaker 20 (35:11):
It's not as easy for teachers, but it's actually not
a bad model for those families who are motivated and
do it their way.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Very good insight, Andy, well done, appreciated very much. Andy England,
who's the Darfield High School principal, and at the cut
of his jib. And that's before you get to the
year thirteen business. And you know, when you get to
year thirteen, you get a lot of kids who are
sort of by July August, they've got their credits and
they sort of don't need to be there anymore, and
that will affect the overall stats. Thirteen minutes past seven, Husky,
What an interesting little reader I had yesterday afternoon about

(35:38):
the Ehamota. Remember Ehemota Ehomotel was the end of the world.
It was occupation time, it was protest time. It was
just Cinda adern I distinctly remember it. She remember she
went down there to talk to the people who are.

Speaker 17 (35:52):
Oh, hello there, how are you.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Have you met my friend Willie will he's got the money. Well,
he's got thirty million dollars for you. Would you like
us to give you thirty million dollars? And they did,
of course, and they bought the land and you were fantastic.
So what's happened to that in the ensuing years? And
the answers I'm reading yesterday? Just let me go to
the Oh nothing, that's right, so all of that noise,

(36:18):
all of that protest, all of the housing that were
so desperately desperately needed, all of the scandal that was unfolding,
the millions of dollars are nothing. So they've set up
a special group and the special group has been what's
made up of two Crown representatives, a representative from the
king e Tonguer, three representing the Ahika groups. And when

(36:41):
asked about what had been discussed, nothing to update. You
would normally laugh if it wasn't so pathetic. Fourteen past
seven the my hosting breakfast and Chelsea Handler after eight
Rod Little on the campaign trail and Britain after eight
thirty This morning seventeen past seven are let's look at
the rise of the community patrol. So we've got one

(37:02):
hundred and seventy of them across the country these days
police say they rely heavily on them when dealing with
the rise and crime. Ipsom, which is an Auckland suburb,
has a well established one and founder and leader Rod
gab is with this road. Very good morning, good waning Mike.
How long you've been going and how successful are you?

Speaker 4 (37:17):
We started off in May twenty two and we started
patrolling in December twenty two, so we'll be going patrolling
for the last six months.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
And when you say patrolling, what literally do you do?

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Literally we do. We are with a minimum of two
of us on a shift on a patrol and we
head out anywhere between two to four hours and order
to get two to three hours and we literally patrol
the suburbs and the streets, both businesses and residences around Ipsom, Renuar, Newmarket,
Parnell up to oural Oak and West East Mount Eden.

(37:48):
So we've got a large patch.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Well I was going to say you're on wheels, not
I thought I'd take it.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
We've got a combination, so mainly wheels, but there's a
number of areas that we do by foot as well, Mike.
So taking around the business association areas, we tend to
get on our feet and do that. And likewise in
some of the parks out in the suburbs, we'll walk
around the parks of an evening with a torch and
just make sure it's under control.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
And what if it's not as well, what do you
do then?

Speaker 4 (38:14):
What we do then is we get straight on. If
it's serious enough, we will get straight into the police
we'll call one one one or in a recent case,
I action called them to the new Market stations says, hey, guys,
you need to get up here on the Broadway. We've
got an instid of unfolding that we need support and
we had we had four patrol cars and they're in
a matter of minutes, about ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Are you in danger?

Speaker 15 (38:33):
No?

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Not at this junction. No, because we are not. We're
not trained and we're not engaged with criminal activity. If
we said unfolding, we stay in our wagon and we
get onto the police.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Right, and so you don't you go wait or something
like that.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
We don't, We don't, we don't. We don't really will.
We prefer to observe and then report it and get
it sort of that way, because as I say, we don't,
we're not trained to arrest or to confront people.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
And do you have a recruitment issues and people? I mean,
two to three hours is a lot, and that's the
first question I would ask, you know, am I going
to get beaten up? Et cetera? And you need to
convince me that I'm not.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
It's very very safe. We have we do training. We
have an on learning training model model, We were well
trained by the trainers in the organization, And as I say,
we've never been thus fund the six months that we've
been patrolling. We've been in the uncompromising position of danger.
So we've got a mixture of ages, guys and girls,

(39:31):
different cultures and you know it's going well, it's working well.
We just need to reverse the numbers from sixteen to
sixty one.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, exactly. Would you argue that crime is measurably down
or different because you're there along with the police.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
Well, I certainly read an article last night by Constable
Don Allen out of the Only Hanger station who said
that crime is down ten percent month on month in
only Hunger and EPSOM, and I wouldn't say that it's
totally due to us, but i'd say we'd be a
factor in that.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Fantastic Rod go, Well, that's good community stuff.

Speaker 16 (40:02):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Rod Gab who's part of the EPSOM Community Patrol, talk
to Mike Mitchell about this maybe tomorrow and when he's
with us after eight o'clock on Politics Wednesday, seven twenty on,
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As seven twenty four, once again we asked the question,
among many questions around the matter, who is paying for
the Waitangi Tribunal and how much of it is what
you would loosely call value for money. There's a new

(41:27):
urgent hearing this week. It is to do with the
new government's promise to have non Mari government departments use
English for their name. I think the NZTA, the Ministry
of Education. Now, the argument brought forward by a tarong
a Ewe is this does harm the policy, this does
harm to terreo small irony. So far, for many people
it seems to contact this particular program. It doesn't seem

(41:47):
that the instruction has been sent out by the government
at all. The waters were somewhat muddied, I thought when
it was suggested that ol Ranger Tamariki might keep their
name as well as kayeg Aura, given they were the
names most of us knew the department by. How they
come up with that I don't know, although I assume
they meant that given those two departments in particular have
spent a lot of time in the news. The commonality
of the reference might well have stuck. Which of you

(42:08):
think about it was sort of the idea in the
first place, really, wasn't it. Having the vast majority of
us exposed to another language, especially an official language, may
help the language live, breathe, and expand. But what also
happened is Mari terms, names and phrases got tossed about
with mad abandoned and muddy the water's a comprehension. The
media have broadly speaking in a fit of wokeism and
embarrassed themselves, and in part for the damage they're already

(42:30):
damaged reputations by embracing the activity with an alacrity that's
been humiliating. Tokenism is not language, but tokenism is what
you get. A news bulletin's a peppering of Mari with
the English that leads to nothing more than a trendy
nod to a fad. But it's a national crisis, apparently
so much so that taxpayer money must once again be
dispersed to lawyers and full time agitators to once again

(42:53):
front the tribunal, who will write their usual report, which
will be treated in the usual way, which is what's
the marry word for bin asking like how much have
the ram raids dropped. Well, this is a very good
story that's not being widely covered. This morning, ram raids
are down eighty percent eight zero percent down eighty percent.
Couldn't cover ram raids enough when they were out of control.

(43:14):
Suddenly when they're not out of control, we don't want
to cover them at all. You will hear it on
our news. But asking yourself around the rest of the
country day, how many people are talking about the dropping
ram raids? I think, says the text to community Patrols help,
may well be the case, Mike. Did the statistics take
into account that Auckland High schools had a teacher only
day on Friday before King's birth? Then, now, funny you
should say that because I'm one of those critics as well.

(43:36):
How come all those teacher only days are just before
the long weekend, especially given all the holiday schools have. Anyway,
I didn't realize, But it's a Ministry of Education thing.
They're the ones who schedule the long weekend days or
the teacher only days. It's not the school, so the
school can do nothing about it. That's the Ministry of Education.
Go well, you'll have a long weekend, doesn't make it right.

(43:56):
I'm just saying that it's a ministry, not the school.

Speaker 21 (43:58):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
School should be funded on actual attendance, not their total role.
That's not a bad idea. It would certainly provide an
impetus to get the kids into school morning. My daughter
got attention for ten minutes late to school while her
attended tociber ninety five percent. The very next day she
had no teacher for a first two periods. The double
standard is a blatant slap in the face, Stephen. Is
it because the teacher wasn't there where? If your daughter

(44:19):
was late, the teacher had been late, you might have
a point. But the teacher wasn't there, And why wasn't
the teacher there? Was the teacher not there because they
were sick or because they couldn't be bothered turning up.
But having said that, going you know, having lived through
it for the last decade, at least, the number of
relief I'll tell you what the the job to have
if you're into it, is relief teacher. If you're a
relief teacher, I can assure you you could work one

(44:41):
hundred and twenty hours a week every week for your
entire life. Because the demand for relief teachers is astonishing.
Prime Minister Christopher Luxen, he's got a Chinese guest coming
in before he takes off to Japan. This and the
Mari Party investigation will be covered off shortly.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
THESLD opinions, the my Asking Breakfast with our Veda Live
the Age You Feel News talks Enby.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Three minutes away, promote Chelsea Handlers with us after eight
o'clock this morning, meantime time for the Prime Minister's Tuesday
Morning Good to see you to the Maori investigation, Mary
Parting investigation, the Public Service Commission, who runs it? And
when are we getting those details?

Speaker 21 (45:31):
Yeah, so that'll be confirmed this week. The terms of reference,
who's the reviewer and actually the timing around that. Just
taking a step back. What we're trying to do is
make sure there's trust and confidence in the public institutions.
I want to make sure that we've actually got an
all of government sort of response to did the agencies
do the right thing managing conflicts, making sure they manage
the data appropriately. And there's a bunch of independent agency

(45:51):
reviews going on, but I don't think it's appropriate that
agencies do their own sort of review of themselves. So
that's why I want to the.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Ones that have started by the police, are they wasting
their time or.

Speaker 21 (46:01):
That's important that have a very narrow scope about what
they did or didn't do, but that all needs to
be fed into and interrogated by the public service cons
So are.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
You're looking at government departments and what they did or
didn't do or are you looking at the Mallori party
and what they did or did.

Speaker 21 (46:14):
So the police and the Privacy Commissioner they have compelling
powers and they'll be able to look at the third
party actors in this case, the Party Maori, the Trust.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
The Right, all that stuff yesterday. It's got nothing to
do with the Malory party.

Speaker 21 (46:27):
Correct, It's got to really look at the government agency
response and its interaction with those agents with those parties,
particularly did they fire the right process on data management,
conflicts of unterst those sorts of things.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Although you're never going to find anything out because if
I go along to the Mariah and I'm filling in
a sensus and they say, hey, there's your number, and
I'm going to take that over there and then we'll
ring you later on and send you a few texts
and you can vote for the Malory Party, Your investigation
doesn't get anywhere near.

Speaker 7 (46:52):
That does now.

Speaker 21 (46:52):
But what I'd say is the police investigation will and
the Privacy Commissioner investigation will because they have compelling powers,
coercive powers to be to look at all of that stuff,
which they've already got investigations up and running and doing it.
What I'm making sure is that actually New Zealanders know
that there is trust and confidence in their institutions and
in the agencies in particular. I don't want them essentially
marking their own homework. I want to make sure that

(47:15):
actually they've acted appropriately managing potential conflicts interest because the
allegations are pretty serious. So they end up in a
place where data roams from one organization through to another
organization because someone's wearing multiple hats that stuff. I want
to know, how has that been managed?

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Is that part the serious part? Or is it the
serious part the Mailory Party who allegedly took information they
weren't entitled to and used it in a way that's
against the law.

Speaker 21 (47:37):
Yeah, Well, that's that's why these allegations are incredibly serious,
and that's why they need to be properly investigated, and
the police and the Privacy Commissioner have those powers to
do that part of it. And then I want to
make sure, rather than having a series of individual agencies
investigations which are important, but actually that there's a whole
of government response, that we understand what government. You know,
I want to be reassured that government actually recorrected well

(47:59):
to it.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
The Privacy Commissioner have the power to subpoena people.

Speaker 21 (48:02):
Because yeses I understand it. They and the police do because.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
That's the only way you're going to get to bottom of.

Speaker 21 (48:06):
Its compelling powers. And that's why they've got those powers
and don't. I can't run an investigation that runs over
the top of all of that. And that's why when
I looked at all the options set that I had
in front of me, I decided that that was the
best way to go. And you know, they'll get an
independent reviewer and they'll be able to get the terms
of reference and actually engage with all those agencies and
make sure that we've got that they've done everything right.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Because you seem to me to have rules, and you
have laws. So the rules, for example, is should a
Maria whose candidate is the CEO then turn out to
be a polling booth. Yep, Well those that's your inquiry,
isn't it.

Speaker 21 (48:42):
Well, that's a responsibility of the Electoral Commission, which will
actually be you know, my inquiry will look at all
the government agencies and Crown indies if we have to
as well, and their response.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
But then you go to the government that sets the
precedent by handing out lollies and warriors tickets to fill
in forms, and that's part of it as well, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (49:00):
Yeah, Well, that's the point I'm trying to get to
is like, well, you know, have have the government agencies
behaved appropriately?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
And well what's appropriate? Who decided?

Speaker 21 (49:09):
Well, that's what I want the independent reviewer to look at.
So for example, there are real rules around you know,
when you pass you know, third party information off or
data off into different organizations, whether you're outsourcing that to
other community organizations to do a bunch of work or not.
I want to make sure that's all really tight, and
I want to make sure conflicts are managed. Now that's
the other piece in this as well, is to make
sure that conflicts of interest are properly, properly managed. You

(49:31):
can't have you know, data flowing through a series of
organizations while someone's wearing multiple hats.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
I mean, but it was there for everyone to see.
I mean, the CEO is the candidate who runs the marah,
which is the polling booth, which is the scene for
the census, which is the center for the COVID vaccine,
and the warriors tickets are being handed out and we
might be swapping numbers and texting people. That's why the cluster.

Speaker 21 (49:52):
Yeah, well, that's why I'm saying the allegations are very serious.
New Zealand prides itself on having really robust, quality public institutions.
That's why I want sunlight put on it because actually,
if if they're true, they're really serious. Yes they are,
and if they're not true, they're equally The parties deserve
clarity on that too.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Without prejudging what the police might come up with. As
regards David McLeod as the leader of the party, is
your understanding he's administratively negligent, it's not criminal.

Speaker 21 (50:16):
Yeah, look he's he's really made a big mistake. He's
owned up to that. He's fully cooperating with the police.
He's grateful it. Actually it has moved through to the
police quickly.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
What should the police be I mean, I know rules
have been broken, because we all seem to admit the
rules were broken. I mean, if they've got better things
to do with their time, what are they going to do?

Speaker 21 (50:32):
I mean, we've got an electoral system, We've got an
electoral commission, and you know, the resubmission of his return
as you know, I got put back to electoral commission,
and then they determine whether it's a breach or not
that requires police or serious fraud investigation. I think those
things are kind of important. You know, we don't want
to have our public institutions, our democratic processes sort of
undermined in any form of way. So let's follow the process.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Okay, Chinese premier, he walks into the room and you go, hello, Premier,
how are you? How long before there's a few translations?
But how long before the word orcast comes up? Look,
it'll be pretty.

Speaker 21 (51:04):
The Chinese relationship is a long standing one. It's pretty complex.
There's two parts to it. We cooperate where we can
on common interest and that's trade and all that good stuff,
but equally a lot let's be honest, we have different
political systems, we have different political cultures, histories and as
a result, we have differences of opinion. That's no different
from any other relationship we have Frankly as well. But
we'll be talking about the issues that are important to us,

(51:25):
and I'm sure he'll raise things with us.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
He's only hearing in Australia because they're worried about the Americans.
That's basically what it's about, isn't it. Well, there's a
bit of trade on the side, but.

Speaker 21 (51:32):
Yeah, Actually in this case, his focus is he's very
much responsible for the economic agenda in China, and he's
concerned because China's obviously hitting head winds. They've got a
declining population, they've got to slow down on their growth.
I've got high levels of youth unemployment. So his interest
is really about productivity and economic productivity. So there is
the trade piece of it will actually be a very
important part because from a New Zealand perspective, there is

(51:54):
still lots of opportunity there. There's also lots of opportunities
Southeast Asia, Northeast Asia and India as well.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
We'll talk about Japana just a couple of moments that
they allegedly want into the CPTPP. Are we in a
position to help them? If they ask, have they asked?

Speaker 21 (52:07):
They might likely ask, but our position is really clear.
We don't actually side with any particular aspirant that wants
to enter the CPTPP or deeper is the other one,
the digital grouping as well. We have a process which
is they've got to demonstrate that they've actually managed other
trade obligations. Well, actually, well that's what they're This is
what we call the Auckland principless criteria. They've got to

(52:28):
go through and there's a process that they need to
go through.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Well, as one of the people who would agree or
not agree to letting them in, they wouldn't pass mustard,
would they.

Speaker 21 (52:37):
Well, again, that's something that we don't pass judgment on
individual cases. We do genuinely run it through the group
and there has to be consensus within the group, so.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Everyone has to agree.

Speaker 21 (52:46):
Correct, You've got to make sure you've held up high standards. Well,
it's a high sounds in your trading obligation.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Would you tell them that to be asked?

Speaker 21 (52:54):
Well, that's what we'll be laying out those criteria for sure.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Because they haven't have they I mean, they're not free traders,
they're not trade is there? Well, that's that's an assessment
the CPTPP.

Speaker 16 (53:04):
You.

Speaker 21 (53:04):
I'll be outlining the criteria when I get asked about that.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
You know, the Europeans and the Americans seem to have
a few issues with the way they do trade and
that would trip them up.

Speaker 21 (53:12):
Surely, Well, it's them and many other aspirants that have
actually got to meet that test. And so it's pretty clear.
We've laid out three things that they've got to do.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Okay, Direction one one O, which has come out since
we've last talked. Is it worth making a phone call
to anyone in Australia to express your upset at this
or is it done well?

Speaker 21 (53:28):
I think it's actually I mean, the first thing I'd
say is like Australia is completely within its freedom to
set its own rules and laws as it sees fit.
We have a major issue when people get deported here
they have no connections to the country. I've spoken to
Prome Minister Alban Easy, Foreign Minister Peters has spoken to
the Immigration minister involved. We've raised our concerns very very strongly,
and he has reassured me that there will continue to

(53:48):
be a common sense approach will apply. The devil will
be in the detail and that's what we now need
to monitor as it moves from words on a page
to actually implementation of process. We want to see how
that all shakes. I'll continue to raise that with him,
and he's well aware of our concerns. He reassured me
that a common sense approach would continue to apply. And
let's see, and that's what I wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Is Japan just an extension of what you did the
other day.

Speaker 21 (54:13):
Well, Japan's quite important because one it's the fourth largest
economy in the world. It's our fourth biggest trading partner, actually,
third biggest source of international students, fifth biggest source of tourists.
And we need to do two things there. One is
to go back and say, hey, listen on our core
businesses and horticulture and agriculture and tourism and education, we're
back open for business because we actually need to turn
the volume up in those markets and that's why I'm

(54:33):
taking thirty one business delegation there. And the second thing
is we have lots of things of interest to them
around renewable energy, geo thermal actually space that they are
very interested as well. So Sir Peter Beck's coming to
Rocket Lab with us on that as well. And then
the other bid is the political pieces that you promise
to Ksheta is a key player in the region and
now I mean from a security sense as well as
obviously from an economic sense. So it's important that again

(54:57):
I want the intensity of our relationships lifted big time.
That's why when I've got a recess break, I'm shooting
off very quickly, as I did last week to Pacific,
this week to China and having China visitors and then
into Japan.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Go well, you're on the seven five seven again, Yeah,
we will got us there.

Speaker 10 (55:11):
Mic.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Last time one's further. It's a longer truck, yea.

Speaker 21 (55:15):
But I just tuned down on the takeoffs and the
landings and we go to Port Moresby for the refuel
and in order to Tokyo. So I've got every confidence.
I've got more building confidence every time I get on
that plane.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
All right, go well, nice to seek a prime Minister.
Christaph lacksan thirteen to wait the costume breakfast where it
is ten minutes away from Mike. Despite the fact to
give lux in a relatively tough time, you must acknowledge
he at least answers the questions and of course Australia
can do what we like or what they like. Yeah, no,
you're one hundred percent correct. There's no way around it.
Common sense Mike from New Zealand is to a dentifying

(55:47):
the five zero ones that are still in prison. You
can understand many of them aren't now they boot them
out for reasons less than prison sentences and rescind their
New Zealand citizenship. John, you can't rescind the person's citizenship
because you've become a stateless person. And we've signed up
to United Nations declarations that say that you're not allowed
to make a person stateless. The Began case in Britain
is a very good example of that. Speaking of the UN,

(56:10):
they've just voted the Security Council for a ceasefire. So
that's the end of the war. Congratulations to the United Nations.
I'm surprised they didn't think, oh hold on, they did
think about that earlier. And as far as the jury
is concerned in the Hunter Biden case, didn't take long
in the Trump case. One suspects it's not going to
take very long in the Hunter Biden case because there
doesn't appear to be a tremendous amount of conflicting information.

(56:31):
He's on drugs, he had a gun, the form wasn't
correctly filled out, and that, as far as I can
work out.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Is.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Against the law. And I think they'll probably come to
that conclusion and we'll just see how long it takes them.
Having said that, excuse me, I don't subscribe to the
argument this is in any way shape or form is
going to play into the campaign. The dealings and trials
and tribulations of your children are not a vote swinger.
As far as I can work out, if you're going
to vote for jo Biden, you're going to vote for

(57:00):
Joe Biden. You're not suddenly not going to vote for
Joe Biden because his son hunters a bit of a reprobate?
Or am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (57:05):
In that eight to eight mistle breakfast, Where's r News
talk said.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Farms away from it? Mike Granton to view with the
EPSOM patroller. I'm a patroller in Howick and Pakerenger also
in Auckland. Thanks for promoting patrolling only four hours a month.
It's not bad, is it? And we make a difference. Well,
I'm very pleased to hear it. Mike, where'd you get
that info on the teacher only day set by the MOE.
I'm not sure about that. Well, I am because a
lot of people at a recent one we all went, well,
what the hell, how come everyone's into a long weekend?

(57:33):
And the principle put out a note saying it is
not us, it is the Ministry of Education, and the
principle I know would not make that stuff up.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Given all the challenges our schools and teachers are facing,
I'd like to shout up my son's rugby coach is
also the deputy principal of the college. His professionalism and
focus on teamwork and improving skills as an example to
everyone's a very good point you make. There's far too
much negativity in the media in general, and I cited
the RAM raids stats out this morning. Go on, look
around the media today, Go and look at look. Go
find me how much coverage is given to the eighty

(58:02):
percent drop in the RAM rates. Couldn't get on, couldn't
get into it enough when it was bad, But you
look at it today and said, tell me where the
good news is, Mike. I agree with you. Relief teaching
jobs are available everywhere across a wide range of schools. However,
this is the part I didn't know. However, your wages
are kepped at step seven, so a teacher with ten
years plus experience who should be on step ten receives
a lot less pader than they would normally.

Speaker 21 (58:22):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Is that a union based thing? In my experience, the
more unionized you are in employment, the more problematic and
complicated it becomes. And if that is true, and good
people aren't doing relief work because they're not being paid properly,
then surely the answer is reasonably obvious, isn't it. Mike.
These investigations are so late and so weak. It's almost

(58:45):
like no one wants to find the Mari Party did
something wrong where we don't know they did because they
deny it. Of course, I think we got a good
clarification to the Prime Minister. It was relayed certainly by
some people yesterday that what the Prime Minister was announcing
was an all encompassing sort of inquiry. It isn't. It's
just plea into government departments, which is not the really
angsty edgy. But we need to get to the bottom
of is it. That's where the police come in.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
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Speaker 3 (59:17):
Head be.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
It texted referring me to the ram Raids and the Herald,
and I'm looking at the Herald in thea justin section.
Ram Raids down eighty percent compared with the same time
last year, published seven four. Who's listening in Hey, it
is seven minutes past seven. Chelsea Handler's on our way back.
Chelsea likely big news for her. Of course, They've been
the Netflix shows over the years. The latest stand up

(59:45):
as a thing called Little Big Bitch Tour and Chelsea
Handler is with us from New York. Good morning, Oh,
good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (59:51):
So nice to speak with you again.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
And not at all and heading back our way looking
forward to it. I'm assuming.

Speaker 13 (59:57):
Yes, you're assuming correct. I wouldn't return if I didn't
love it so much.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
No, that's true the tour itself. Funnily enough, I talked
to Jerry Seinfeld the other day, and what I didn't
realize about his tour is it was already on the road,
so I was trying to get a vibe about what
sort of show he had and whether it was going
to work, and whether he knew it. Your show's already
on the road, so you'll have some feedback so far
as to what you're bringing here.

Speaker 13 (01:00:19):
Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, I have a set that
I do, so.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Yeah, how's it going.

Speaker 13 (01:00:29):
How's it going? It's going pretty well. If I'm coming
to New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (01:00:33):
I've been on tour for a while because I don't
have to fill my Netflix special for this tour until
the end of the year, and I was like, oh, well,
let me take this on the road because it's I've
got this whole year, and you know, I love to
visit these places and come back and see people and
meet people up close and personal. It's just a different,
you know, different level of travel fun. So yeah, I'm

(01:00:54):
looking forward to coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Does it go down differently depending on where you are?

Speaker 13 (01:01:00):
No, I mean a little bit, but not really.

Speaker 22 (01:01:02):
I mean, we're all human beings and if you I mean,
if you're coming to see me, you probably know me,
so you know what to expect.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:01:10):
It's not like I'm introducing myself to people all the time.
So it's kind of like I have a reputation.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
What's your yes, you do, what's your vibe? In terms
of how easy, good fun it is to be a
comedian in a place like America at the moment, which
appears from the side of the world to be an
angsty old arrangement.

Speaker 13 (01:01:29):
Yeah, America's pretty rough these days.

Speaker 22 (01:01:31):
It's pretty hard pill to swallow being in this country
thinking of all the you know, it's pretty ugly. So
I choose to smoke a lot of cannabis and travel
as much as I can out of the country. Tomorrow
I leave for Spain for one month. I'm coming to
New Zealand, I'm going to Australia. I'm doing a lot
of anything to get out of this country. So we'll

(01:01:51):
see what happens in November. But yeah, it's looking pretty grim.
I think this might it might be a wrap on America.
Like I think the experiment is probably close to ending,
you know, this democratic experiment.

Speaker 13 (01:02:04):
It feels like that. I mean, I can tell you
it feels like that.

Speaker 22 (01:02:06):
I have a house in Spain and Canada because I
think that's going to happen and I'm going to have
to become like a Canadian news anchor at some point.

Speaker 13 (01:02:13):
In my career.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Would you choose Canada or Spine?

Speaker 22 (01:02:17):
Great question, I mean my Spanish keeps getting better every year.
I'm going tomorrow for a month, so it's going to
get even better. If I could speak fluent Spanish, I
think I would be like, you know what the thing is,
I love to ski. I love to ski naked, and
you've probably seen that. And skiing is a real part
of who I am. So I love to be in Canada.

Speaker 13 (01:02:36):
But Spain and the Spanish people like.

Speaker 22 (01:02:38):
There's never going to be a war in Spain, Like
they don't fight with anyone, and everyone takes, you know,
naps in the middle of the daytime, they eat at
ten o'clock at night.

Speaker 13 (01:02:48):
I just that's a vibe I can get down with.

Speaker 7 (01:02:50):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
But you count ski niked and spine, can you?

Speaker 22 (01:02:53):
Oh no, I'd have to bring my own snow, and
with global warming, that's getting more and more difficult to do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Does it be able to lose it's through skiing naked.

Speaker 22 (01:03:02):
No, it's invigorating for a female from a woman to
have your Yeah, it feels awesome.

Speaker 13 (01:03:07):
I feel like a badass when I do that. And
it's not that cold either. I think the adrenaline kind
of keeps you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Warm, right, and so even when your face plant will
fall over and stuff like that.

Speaker 13 (01:03:15):
It's you know, base plan fall over. Have you seen
me ski?

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
I'm not fine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
And every now and again you hit an icy patch
or whatever and you go for the snowplow and the
skis cross. You know how it goes. It doesn't matter
how good you are.

Speaker 13 (01:03:28):
No one that could a snow plowing. So that's your
first mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
All right, listen, hold on there, We'll get just a moment.
Chelsea Handler out of New York eleven past eight.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
The mic Hosking Breakfast sent me fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Past eight, Chelsea Handler on her way back to the
country with her new to A Little Big Bitch. I'll
give you the dates in just a couple of moments. Now, listen.
As far as I was watching looking at you on
social media the other day, right, and you had some
protests at one of your show, this whole Israel anti Palestine,
pro Palestine thing going on. Is it an angsty old
time at the moment to be a comedian.

Speaker 13 (01:04:00):
I mean, it doesn't have an It won't never have
an impact on me not performing.

Speaker 22 (01:04:03):
It happened one at one show and they were removed
and it was disruptive, but the show went on. And
I would always carry on because I'm a professional and
you know that that's all you can do.

Speaker 13 (01:04:15):
And I understand people are upset. I'm upset too, everyone's upset.
It's not a happy time about any of this.

Speaker 22 (01:04:21):
So it just doesn't feel like, uh, you know, it's
just not an issue that you can even discuss.

Speaker 16 (01:04:27):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
How does unhappiness though dovetail into being comedic? Does it help?

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Does it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Hinda, I'm not unhappy.

Speaker 13 (01:04:36):
I'm pretty happy.

Speaker 22 (01:04:37):
So you have to ask, like more male comedians seem
more unhappy to me? I would ask them because I
feel like female comedians aren't as nearly as lugubrious as
male comedians. Good female comedians are like they're they're I mean,
they can be depressed, but male comedians can be.

Speaker 13 (01:04:52):
Very very depressed. And then and then that's like a
dark energy. I want to like pass high vibes around,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 22 (01:04:59):
I want peop want to come to my show, leave
and having forgotten whatever the.

Speaker 13 (01:05:03):
Was annoying them that day in their life.

Speaker 14 (01:05:06):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:05:07):
I want to spread joy, laughter and sunshine, Like that's
my vibe right now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Yeah, yeah, And that's and that's good. But a lot
of comedians say that same thing, but people can't get
past that, you know, they it's like that Lon this look,
it's it's just Ricky Devis. It's just humor. It's just
a joke. Don't take it seriously. But the fact he's
got to say that and you say it, it means
that you, you know, people aren't like that, they can't
get on board with your vibe.

Speaker 22 (01:05:32):
Well, I mean, I feel like enough people are on
board with my vibe. I don't have to I'm not
I'm not worried about the people who disagree with me.
But I'm not against having people set parameters about what
you're about to say, what you're allowed to say, or
what's going.

Speaker 13 (01:05:47):
To be frowned upon.

Speaker 22 (01:05:48):
Like I know men are, and primarily a lot of
men are, but I'm not like, if you want to say,
I can't make fun of, you know, different cultures because
that's insensitive.

Speaker 13 (01:05:57):
Okay, that's fair to judge what's.

Speaker 22 (01:06:01):
Sensitive to another person and based on their culture, Like
I don't have an issue with that. And also, it's
a good challenge as a comedian or as any artist
to have to work within boundaries and challenge yourself to
not think of the lowest common denominator, but perhaps focus,
refocus that energy back on yourself and make a joke
about yourself first, you know, start within, Like with everything,

(01:06:22):
start within.

Speaker 13 (01:06:23):
It's the same in comedy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
It very well said. It's a very good point too.
You mentioned Netflix in Mima Ago. I saw you funnily
enough on Netflix, the Kevin Hot the mock Twain thing,
and you were in Bold And then his Netflix strikes me.
And it's not just him, Streaming generally strikes me as
having been fantastically good for the comedic community.

Speaker 13 (01:06:41):
Oh yeah, well, Ted Surrandos loves comedians. He loves comics.

Speaker 22 (01:06:45):
I mean, we just have the Netflix as a joke
festival in la and I did a show for it.
Everyone did a show for it.

Speaker 13 (01:06:51):
They have like so many comedians, they buy out all
these venues.

Speaker 22 (01:06:55):
It was so over the top, but they created like
a total festival vibe the end of the week, like
you had been to like eighty different events. I mean
it felt exhausting, but you know, also really like kind
of electric. You're like, oh, this is a comedy festival,
like created one in the last five years basically, and
it allows.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
You to get to an audience you might not have
been able to, and because it's streaming, you can say
a bunch of stuff. Because I saw Dave Chappelle's piece
the other day. Have you seen that his latest Netflix ling.

Speaker 13 (01:07:24):
No, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
It's very good. I'm not a Dave Chappelle fan on
They A Walls, but but I think I am now
because it was very cleverly constructed. I thought it was
very very funny. Anyway, the point being that in terms
of streaming, you can say whatever you like and get
your message out there and people get to understand who
you are and what you're about. And that's no bad thing,
is it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:42):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:07:43):
No, it's great.

Speaker 22 (01:07:43):
I mean Netflix gives all comedians anyone on that platform
the platform.

Speaker 13 (01:07:48):
It's the biggest platform.

Speaker 22 (01:07:49):
There is, so it's really like they've competed, like they've
created like almost a non compete zone. You know, that's
where you want to be because that's why also where
the audience is going to watch.

Speaker 13 (01:07:58):
They're specials.

Speaker 22 (01:07:59):
I did a special Max, my first special back to
stand up like five years ago, and then I did
a special on Netflix, and now I'm.

Speaker 13 (01:08:05):
Doing my second special on Netflix. Because you can see
the difference, Well, the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Talk show thing that you've been involved in.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Is that fun?

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Is that worth doing?

Speaker 13 (01:08:14):
I don't do one now, so I know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I mean you have as a thing as a stand
up versus a talk shows, a book of whatever, it's
a grind.

Speaker 13 (01:08:21):
It can be a grind. I mean, it's very exciting
and it's very new. So every day you're talking about
new things. That's exciting for me. That was a great
time in my life.

Speaker 22 (01:08:31):
But like for now, like I like, like I don't
like to be having to be in the same place
every day. I like to be around the world, and like,
you know, I do my podcast from my Orca. I
can do my podcast in London. I could do my
podcast wherever. I write my books. I just you know,
finished my seventh book. I write my books wherever I
am in the world, and I can do stand up

(01:08:53):
anywhere in the world. It's like, I kind of feel
like I found the best thing to live my life
to the fullest.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:08:59):
I get to ski three months out of the year.
I'm crushing it. Like you know, on a spiritual level,
I'm like, is this faradic? I really hope this is
my last life because I'm like, I'm so spoiled. I
don't want to come back.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Oh that's fantastic. I'm so glad you're enjoying that. The
hard lemonade, the two things I didn't know about you
is the hard lemonade story real.

Speaker 22 (01:09:22):
I started a hard lemonade stand when I was eight
years old because I knew that was going to yield
much better profits.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
That's brilliant.

Speaker 22 (01:09:28):
And I served gin whiskey and tequiola to not only
the adults, but anyone over ten, because obviously I wasn't
completely irresponsible.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
And the first class story, the first class ticket story,
that's true too.

Speaker 13 (01:09:40):
Yeah, that's a true story.

Speaker 22 (01:09:41):
I bought my own first class ticket when I was
thirteen years old, after I saved up money from my
hardly hard lemonade stand and babysitting empire that I also
started where I spent where I spent one summer as
a ten year old posing as a fifteen year old
babysitting for a fourteen year old boy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
That's too cool.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
I love.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
That is The Vigas Residency arted yet or not?

Speaker 13 (01:10:01):
No Vegas Residency. I just announced we are starting.

Speaker 22 (01:10:05):
I did one show a month at the Cosmopolitan at
the inside the Chelsea Theater, so again.

Speaker 13 (01:10:11):
I'm inside myself. I do it once a month and
it starts September first on Labor Day weekend. So that's
pretty fun.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Explain to me the residency thing. So the once a
month thing strikes me as good because there are some
people in residency that do it like seven days a week,
and you do a matine on a Saturday, and I
think you've got to be kidding me. Yeah, I mean,
how boring could this be? So the residency people want
to come and see you as opposed to get drunk
and they're just playing roulette and wander into the room
and you happen to be there, and therefore they don't

(01:10:40):
appreciate what you're delivering.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Is that?

Speaker 13 (01:10:43):
What's the question?

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Well, the question is are they drunk and playing roulette
and wandering in to see you or are they actually
come out to see you because you're a Chelsea handler
and you're a show worth watching.

Speaker 22 (01:10:53):
You have to buy the tickets, you know what I mean,
and you wandering so you have to have some intention
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Good on, you will listen when are you coming here?
You might be able to get some skiing done here
in the middle of the year because winter's just arriving.
The snow's about to fall in the next month or so,
and there are some serious slopes in this part of
the world.

Speaker 13 (01:11:12):
July fo it I believe July fourth? Shall I fifth?
I think somewhere that sounds right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
It could be good. And you you have a squ
skid Queenstown, Wonica.

Speaker 13 (01:11:22):
No, I've never skied there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Yep, you haven't lived. You might be crushing it, but
you haven't lived until you've skied queens Down or Wanaka.

Speaker 13 (01:11:31):
Then I'll have to get that done.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Fantastic, lovely to see you look forward to catching up
when you're in the country and go, well, okay, you
go well too. All right, there we go, Chelsea Handler.
I'll give you the official dates in just a couple
of months, say twenty two.

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wanted to go Mike at the allegations against the party
Mari turn out to be true? Is there any comeback
on the elected member or does she just become a
Clayton's MP. Well, it's a multifaceted answer to the question.
It depends on what anybody finds, whether or not the
rules have been broken or the law's been broken. If
the police find law's been broken, then potential charges are laid.

(01:13:12):
Potential charges are laid, not necessarily against the MP themselves.
It could well be against a party member who may
or may not be an MP. It then depends if
it's against the MP, what the whether you get a
guilty or not guilty, of course, and what the sentence is.
And there are rules around whether or not you can
be an MP on certain sentences and length of time
in jail, et cetera. Not that I think that it's

(01:13:33):
going to get anywhere near this, but nevertheless, that's what
happens on rules. I suspect, Unfortunately, nothing really happens that
we are a bit of a well we didn't realize this,
or this didn't work very well, or there's a bit
of systemic failure over here, and I'll promise to tidy
up and it will never happen again until it happens
again next time. So you've got a number of strands there.
You've got the rules versus the laws. The police are

(01:13:53):
in charge of the laws, and the various government departments,
including the Privacy Commissioner, they're in charge of the rules,
so a lot of to go under that particular bridge.
Stand by for Rod Liddle.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
He might. Do you think these Chinese meetings coming up
for Luckxnce time to shine? He's a little clunky with
the political games that go on, but he's a businessman.
I'm a first year fifty to fifty sheer milker, so
if he could get some Chinese deals done, I'd be
more than happy. Thank you, Dan, and good luck with
all of that. And China's on the way back, not
in the big way yet, but they're on the way back.
The latest economic numbers I see look to show some

(01:14:40):
sort of growth this year. Just back from California, might
we're my nine year old grandson and has mate had
a prime slushy stand on the street. They sold them
for four bucks, and oriols and rice crackers bars for
a buck each. They ended up with about four hundred
dollars after cost, got one hundred and forty five each.
Not bad for four hours work. I'd take that work
twenty two minutes away from.

Speaker 15 (01:15:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Business campaign time in the UK, Rob Little morning mate.

Speaker 23 (01:15:08):
Good morning to you mate.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Since we last talk. And I'll get your explanation on
this because no one else can seemingly explain it. Rishi's
in one country for a reasonably important event until he
decides to scarper off early. And what brain explosion can
lead to something that disastrous.

Speaker 23 (01:15:26):
I think he's for it. I think he's not a politician.
I think he was caught between wondering whether he should
do the right thing or whether he should do what
he was being advised by his team, and he ended
up coming home and for a period, Mike, I've got
to say, over Saturday morning into Sunday afternoon, it looked

(01:15:49):
very much as if you might be standing down. It
was a terrible, terrible misjudgment. It's still a terrible misjudgment.
It still hangs over him and it's very difficult to
see how it can recover from it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
No exactly the campaign itself, I'm seeing a lot of
money being tossed about the place, or at least promise
to be tossed about. Do people pay a great deal
attention to that at the moment and add the numbers
up to see whether they're real or they just it's
a bearrage of promises.

Speaker 23 (01:16:17):
What do you think, mate? I don't think they take
very much notice of it at all. The latest stuff
we've got that the touring manifesto will include tax cuts,
but they've been saying that for so long and then
I'll time they tried tax cuts under this trust it
crashed the economy labor Meanwhile, is the Libdems rather are
saying they're going to pour eight billion pounds into the

(01:16:38):
advocating mouth of the NHS. I don't think that will
cut much eyes either. So no, I don't think the
promises of spending really cut through to the electorate at all.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
What about Farage and has comments about Rishi This goes
back to d Day, But he doesn't understand our culture
is this dog whistle? And if it is, is it
working a.

Speaker 23 (01:17:02):
Little bit of dog whistle? We could give him the
benefit of the doubt and suggest that he was genuinely
referring to class. But I have never previously heard Nigel,
who I know very well, attack people on account of
their class. I've never heard that. I have heard him

(01:17:22):
attack people on the basis of their excuse me, of
their race. So I think that's what was happening there.
That being said, I think it will have fallen on
the years of a generally receptive public. You know, whether
they get a nuance of it or not, it's another matter.

(01:17:44):
But clearly Richie somehow has a cloth here when it
comes to what you ought to do in a certain situation.
And Ferras was probably right to call it out the
way he called it out, I thought a little bit crass.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Yeah, Richie was in a parb and he was busy
yet again saying now I'm a leader and I've got
a plan and we're going to do all that sort
of thing. Have we ruled out a resignation slash coup?
Has it got so? Because I've seen some of the
polls since we last talked, and even if you even
if you give them just a shred of credence, I mean,
it looks horrific for the Tories. Have we ruled that

(01:18:19):
for the exactly? Have we ruled out a coup or
a rolling or a resignation or something?

Speaker 23 (01:18:24):
I don't think we should entirely rule out a coup.
I think we should kind of ninety seven percent ruled
it out. It's terribly late in the day, and I
don't know. I think I think the public knows that
they've had too many Conservative Party leaders who they haven't
elected themselves, you know, So I think that's in there

(01:18:47):
as well. I think Suela Bravaman talking up Nigel Farage.
I think that there are people tilting of this that
Richie should go now. But I don't think it's free. Well,
we've got three and a half, three and a half
weeks ago before the poll. It's just not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
No, do you believe many of the polls, I mean
one of them hit them down somewhere between forty and
sixty something seats. I mean, just just a ridiculous swin.

Speaker 23 (01:19:15):
Well, the problem is we have a first pass of
post system, which is why sadly, Mike I am probably
not going to be the next Foreign secretary. We have
a first pass of post system which does throw up
terribly weird results of times. So you remember back in
were you probably may not remember, back in nineteen eighty

(01:19:36):
three and eighty seven, you know, the Social Democratic Party,
Liberal Democratic Party Alliance got some of about twenty seven
percent of the vote, only one percent below Labor, but
only got about eight for eight seats, whereas a Labor
party got two hundred. You know, we have a very
bizarre electoral system which really doesn't work. I think it's

(01:20:00):
not impossible that the Tories could face a wipeout the
way that going, the way this campaign is being run,
and the advent of Nigel Ferras which has changed everything,
really does suggest that they are under the kosh in
a really big way, a way which I have never envisaged.
When the poll was called get you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Up on Thursday, I appreciate it rod a little out
of Britain for you. This morning they produced a map
also the police the big crime thing if you're going
to Europe for summer. Read another piece and seeing what
I think was seeing in yesterday. It said, with hotel
prices and the weather and the falling dollar, the dollar
they referred to as the American good luck in Europe
this summer. Anyway, the police in London have published a

(01:20:43):
map or where you're most likely to get your phone
nicked and we know all about it at our house, son,
who's in that part of the world. The other day
was coming out of the place and guy comes past
and a bite gone, And there's fifty two thousand. So
far this year, fifty two thousand phones have been nicked
in the capital city of Westminster is where you don't
want to be, and of course that's where you will

(01:21:04):
be if you're a tourist, because that's you know, the
houses of Parliament and all the flash neighborhoods and all
the shops and stuff like that. Eight hundred and sixty
three reported incidents alone in the city of Westminster, up
forty seven percent on last year. Camden not good, Second
southwn Hackney, Newham, Lambeth, Islington not good, not good, not good,

(01:21:25):
not good, not good. So if you've got a phone
and you're going on holiday to London, be careful. Sixteen
two the Mike hosting breakfast where it is thirteen away
from nine Mike, Can you please look into what happened
to Scott Watson. He is going through court again this week,
but after twenty six years in prison for a crime
he didn't do with no evidence. I'm not sure there's

(01:21:48):
a long line of people who would necessarily agree with
all of that. Now, what happened with Darlene Tanner? Mike,
how long can this take? There's a good question, how
long can this take? How long's an inquiry? There's your question.
We've rung, we'll ring again because Sam. Sam's got a
quiet day to day, so he'll ring again and they'll

(01:22:09):
tell us.

Speaker 7 (01:22:09):
Some I mean, this is not the UK post Office
we're talking about here, is it. No, it's not one
we'd hope.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
No it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
So we're just racking up the hours. What was it
was a forty eight thousand? Am I making that number
of forty three thousand? What it would be forty eight?

Speaker 7 (01:22:23):
Don't exaggerate?

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Well that's three weeks ago, so be forty eight now.
I'm just doing it by the hour. sEH oh, Rachel'll
be charging by the hour. Be up to forty eight
by now. And there's got to be something there, doesn't it?
You cannot? I mean if she comes up with going hello, everybody,
I've been investigating thoroughly, there's nothing to see. Everyone's going
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
What I have?

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Come on? Now, here's the sad business of yesterday. You
might have seen that the White Island people, the White
Island two people. They were ordered to pay five million
dollars in reparations out of the White Island disaster. They've
gone under, liquidators have been appointed. A company had few assets.
Reparations would be paid by insurance, so that's the good thing.

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The company was not in a position to pay a fine.
The fine was five hundred and seventy ten thousand dollars.
And so goes the story of so many of these
companies involved in this. And each time I read one
of these stories, I think to myself, what was achieved here? Ultimately,
in the sense that you had a dreadful, dreadful situation
beyond anybody's comprehension. And I refuse still to believe that
anybody goes to an island, takes a tour to an island,

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is involving themselves in a natural setting in any way,
shape or form without being cognizant of the inherent danger.
In other words, they're not idiots. And so you got
a lot of people who were sprayed with charges, and
some of them pled guilty very early on, and I
would love to meet up with them in just a
quiet moment, asked them whether they really pled guilty because

(01:23:46):
they thought they were guilty, or whether they pled guilty
because the lawyer said, probably better to say guilty and
get on with life. There are a number of charges
that were dropped. Why were they dropped because presumably the
people who laid them didn't think they would stand up,
which then brings back to the question should people in
government departments and agencies and those sort of people simply
spray charges all over the place? Any of the people

(01:24:07):
who got charged and went to court and were found guilty.
Now accepting that this wasn't a crime in the traditional
sense that somebody sets out to commit a crime, what
has been achieved by a number of companies going under
These weren't wealthy companies who had nothing better to do
with their time, and they were just milking to at
slept right and center and laughing all the way to

(01:24:27):
the bank. So, in the case of White Island Tours,
in amNY money. So they had insurance, and that was good,
and all companies should have insurance just in case. So
insurance pays out. But they didn't have any money for
the fine. What was the point of a fine? What
would they have learned from a fine? If they had
the five hundred thousand dollars, what would they have learned
would they have learned not to be cognizant of a volcano? Again?
I mean, see what and the whole industry, as far

(01:24:48):
as I can tell, that we've made so much money
on over the years in our reputation, this adventure tourism.
What's happened to that as a result of this? And
are we happy with all of this? In other words,
in totality, when you look at when you wash it
all up at the end of the day, have we
achieved anything productive or proactive? In other words? Has can
you say we learned these lessons? And as a result

(01:25:11):
of this, all of these companies went under, All these
people lost their jobs and we are better off for
having gone through that particular process. And I'm not sure
we can say that. Nine minutes away from nine.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Call the Mike hosting Breakfast with these Dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
My Earlier on, we were talking about the MPs who
were claiming perfectly legally their allowances for living in homes
they happen to owner and Kerry mcinnaughty's case, the home
of his wife that's just recently married. And it's these
stories just go round and around. The new cycle just
goes round and around. There's nothing even new. I read
also yesterday that demand for practical driver licensed in tests
of skyrocketed and the headliners. It's impossible. You can't get

(01:25:50):
a place. I mean, how many times? How many years
have we gone through that particular story. Eh, my advice,
we went through it very recently. Get on the waiting list,
because what happens is wring them up and go I'm ready,
I'm ready, tell me now, tell me now. They refresh
every hour, who's not turned up, who doesn't turn up?
Et cetera. And if you go on the hour and
just go hi, I'm here right now, let's go where

(01:26:10):
are we going?

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
All go rural?

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
And we got in the next day? Are you gonna
blame me for?

Speaker 6 (01:26:17):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
Was I?

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
What's that?

Speaker 8 (01:26:18):
Was that? Like?

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Hacking the system?

Speaker 7 (01:26:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Dumb idea five away from night.

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Right, what did Apple come up with? A capputino captina,
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tv os, a lot of os. All the os is
all the time. Cook he was standing on the Cappatino
headquarters on the roof next to the solar panels, because
he's a cool guy and he was really excited.

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Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
So intelligence not AI, So he's not using the word AI.
No mention of AI, even though you can now talk
to apparently Suri without actually talking to Siri.

Speaker 25 (01:27:24):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Keynote ran for more than and now before Tim returned
to use the term AI for the first time, except
today it stands for Apple Intelligence, not artificial intelligence. You've
got all that wrong, so we'll need to correct that.
Apple intelligence. So if you've got anything Apple updates are
on the way. They might have something to do with AI,

(01:28:02):
then they might not big shows returning to Apple TV.
Severances back, shrinkings, back, Silo's back. What happened in the
morning shows that Apple or is a Disney No.

Speaker 7 (01:28:13):
That's also Apple. I think that's coming back as well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
When you put that down, Stam, Well, there's a lot
of shows. Well what about the morning show?

Speaker 7 (01:28:21):
I can't list all the shows? Okay, Martha, I probably
could have. Now that we've had this argument.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Exactly, stock sink. They see Apple for what they are,
losers and lines at stores.

Speaker 7 (01:28:32):
Only the third biggest company.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
In the world.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Exactly used to be second, but they're only third. Now
they're bronze.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
That is us.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Back tomorrow morning for the mic Asking Breakfast. It starts
at six Happy Days.

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