Full Show Podcast: 11 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,
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Your Way, News, togs Head Been.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
You welcome today to Windstone Jobs. Is this really a
power price thing or more to do with the price
of logs? The Australian government enters the world of fantasy
as they look to ban kids from social media. Could
be a rescue package coming from the Golden Mile and
the Capitol US Debate day. Of course, Mark and Jinny
lined up after eight in Politics Wednesday, Richard, Arnold, Ker
and Gilbert are in from offshore as.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Well, Posky.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
So we launch into the middle of the week. Yes,
the debate this afternoon, in a race that has been
tipped on its head in the most extraordinary way. Not
a lot of interest in debates, they told us prior
to the Trump v. Biden one. The fact that there
will be only one Trump v Biden this time round
shows how wrong that was. And then he went and
got shot. To be fair, it's an outside bet that
anything tangible, far less tumultuous happens today. The Harris interview,

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which they also made a meal of, turned out to
be a kind of nothing in the sense that the
yard stick appears to be these days you need to survive.
If you walk off stage unscathed, it's been a success. Apparently,
Harris in the interview said nothing, but the fact she
wasn't a stuttering, bumbling full seemed to be a pass mark.
And if you watch the first debate, the Biden melt
down aside, it would have been as boring as drying paint.
I mean, no audience, Mike's not on. A very staid, scripted,

(01:16):
controlled period of back and forth does not bring a
rumor a contest to life. In fact, that's one of
the ironies, n't thought, because that's what a debate actually
should be about. A debate is different to say, an interview,
because it's back and forward and varies in pace and
jumps about a bit. That's its potential magic, the test
of the combatants in the heat of battle. There's barely
a battle the way the rules are structured. Much then

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relies on the moderators. The American style appears to be
low key, non confrontational with minimal follow up, but it
will draw a crowd. Because this race seems to have settled.
Trump had his convention, which was Good got shot, looked
to have won it before it even started. Enter Harris
had a convention equally as Good got the poles and
the money moving, but seems now to have peaked with

(01:59):
the pole showing it's Nick and Nick. So we're kind
of back to where we started. As electric or dull
as it may be today, what counts the consequences and
like it or not, one is going to run America
and that affects every single one of us.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Wo news of the world.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
In ninety seconds and the rubbers hit the road. For the
UK government, the controversial winter heating cuts have been voted through.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
We must fix the foundations of our economy as the.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
First step to rebuilding Britain and making the changes our
country desperately.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
Government back, though certainly flies against everything I believe in
as a labor NP about tackling inequality and poverty within
our society. I was not elected to impoverish my constituents
and put them in this hardship.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Tories certainly didn't.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
This is an absurd policy which their own plans are
actually actively working.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
Again.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Speaking of the Tory is another vote overnight as they
whittle the leadership contenders.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Down Melstride is eliminated from the contest, and the following
four candidates go forward to the Conservative Party conference, namely
Kemy bad Knock, James Cleverly, Robert Jenerck and Tom Chugenhart.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Jeneric wanted again, I'll give you the numbers if you
want later on. Then to the inquiry into the death
of Steve Diamond. He was the guest on the Jeremy
Kyle Show show has been ruled out as a cause.

Speaker 7 (03:19):
He was in tears and spoken to in the most
brutal way by Jeremy carl The only good thing that
came of my father's death is a Jeremy Carle's show
is canceled.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Kyle themselves says he's now been cleared. Then stateside As
they warm up to this afternoons before mentioned. The Republicans
are providing material by hearing testimony from victims of crime
committed by illegal migrants.

Speaker 8 (03:40):
Our girls deserve protection, Our girls deserve to live their
life without fear.

Speaker 9 (03:44):
They were released into the United States. It was not
even a four three weeks later that they would take
my daughter, Jocelyn Nungary's life.

Speaker 10 (03:52):
He crossed the border three times, was sent back.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
It'll be a feature today. Finally, Nessa, they're on to
the next frontier. They got the Europe with it's past
all the milestones. Does it work They think it does.
It will launch next month to explore signs of habitability
and one of Jupiter's moons you wropeer was the moon
completely covered and ice. The clipper will work out where
they can send the next mission where the ice crust
is thinners if there's an motion that's going to gush

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out to preserve life, all that exciting stuff that is
news of the world in ninety seconds. Do you think
the jobs here are bad? It is a grim September
coming in the UK. Numbers on that for you shortly
watch this one that's going to unfold with the great
ilementrist Volkswagen in Germany. Germany's got all sorts of problems
in and of itself, of course, but Volkswagen and Germany
overnight that's been brewing for a while. There's a massive
scrap unfolding with the unions. They've got a whole lot

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of protections at Volkswagen and they've had them for years.
An employment protection agreement started at nineteen ninety four. Basically
it's job for life stuff. They've ripped that up overnight.
There's a wage agreement for employees with specialist or leadership
positions gone. There's scrapping agreements for temporary workers. The deal
was that if you completed your apprenticeship you had to
get a job. Gone. Job security of employees remains place

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until the end of June next year, but then it's
all on. They've got huge, huge troubles. And Volkswagen, of course,
it's very similar to the center of the North Island.
Volkswagen in a place called Wolfsburg is one of the
biggest employees by so far. It doesn't matter. The town
and the region relies on these sort of companies and
they're in trouble. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
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Speaker 2 (05:26):
Then we come to jobs in Britain. They calling it
a groom September to come six thousand jobs to be
cut and steel and oil refining twenty eight hundred at
Port Tulbot and Wales. Three thousand expected to be exit
British Steel Scunthorpe. A further four hundred to be cut
at Scotland's Grangemouth Oil refinery, so it's grim all over
the place. Fifteen past six, I'm j my wealth, Andre Dellahert, good,

(05:47):
good morning, very good morning. Mine the market like the sixteen.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
A muted response. Muted response.

Speaker 11 (05:54):
I thought we'd better follow up on Apple after the
big revealed yesterday, glow time.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
This is not a detailed technical review.

Speaker 11 (06:02):
I'm sure that Glenn will have posted that summer in
the ends at me ecosystem over the last twenty four hours. So, yes,
iPhone sixteens launched yesterday, but apparently I have a.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Fifteen who knew who knew? But anyway, the big selling
you wanted, did she? Yeah? Well no, I got the
younger people at work to show me how I find
it out y.

Speaker 11 (06:21):
So look, look, the big selling point is that these
sixteens will incorporate AI features. I think in New Zealand
will have to wait for that until the end of
the year.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
There's a whole lot of.

Speaker 11 (06:29):
New camera functionality. Wearables you watch you watch can now
do new stuff. It can let you know if you
have sleep happar and I tongue in cheek wondered whether
Fisher and Pipe or Healthcare and res Med will be
cheering that as everybody now goes and self diagnoses themselves,
and they rush in there to buy sleep apnea products.
The air pods, they get an upgrade. They've even got
a hearing aid function. So the things that wreck you're

(06:51):
hearing when you're younger will help you out when you
get older.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
From a business point.

Speaker 11 (06:55):
Of view, though, Apple is attempting here to address weaker
sales for the iPhone and hoping that this Apple Intelligence
is one feature that will appeal to consumers. As I said, overnight,
fairly muted share pace reaction. Last I looked, it was
down zero point two percent, so not really a game
changer personally. Might I'm a little bit skeptical whether the
AI functionality is a game changer, but then I'm probably

(07:17):
not the target market jury for me is that Sorry,
the jury is still out over whether it's going to
revive the Apple iPhone sales. I see last night Huawei
launched a trifold smartphone. So look, time will tell as
to you know, you can fold it up and put
it in your pockets, sort on it record. Look time
will tell, won't it as to as to whether or

(07:38):
not it does revive the iPhone?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Say where I'm waiting I'm waiting for the quad foult.
Now Australia. This is interesting, isn't it. Things are starting
to turn a bit Yeah.

Speaker 11 (07:46):
So look, i'd made the comment, you know, there's still
this sort of idea that you know, you go to
Australia to get work, you know, you get if you
get laid off.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Here in New Zealand, we're under pressure.

Speaker 11 (07:55):
But looking at the data released across the TASM yesterday,
Australia seems to be traveling the sort of monitary policy
economic response sort of cycle that we saw here, but
at a different speed.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
We're a bit out of sinc.

Speaker 11 (08:06):
They're now showing signs of you know that concerns are mounting.
The household sector, business sector sentiment there is starting to.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
Sort of converge, and not in a positive sense.

Speaker 11 (08:17):
Westpac yesterday released the Westpac Consumer Confidence Index fell zero
point five percent. The last release was plus two point
eight percent. The indexes are eighty four point six. The
one hundred percent level represents the dividing line between optimists
and pessimists, so below one hundred means that pessimists are
in the ascendency and apparently this is reflect concerns.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
About the labor market.

Speaker 11 (08:39):
On the same day, NAB released business Confidence Index. It
also printed low minus four from one, so it's declining.
Business conditions fell from three to six. Both of these
are now below average, so the strong private sector.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Labor demand may be waning.

Speaker 11 (08:56):
So, you know, we got very negative a few months ago.
Now we're getting a little bit excited about the prospect
of falling interest rates. Remember, the RBA governor has said
that interst rate falls are still away off there, so
we're sort of moving at different speeds.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Marke, Okay, this afternoon debate time. If we get policy,
does the market take that on board?

Speaker 11 (09:13):
Well, if the real issue there, Mike, is if we
get policy. I don't think financial markets are focused on
this because I don't think there'll be enough detail. You know,
we'll be munching on our lunch when the market sort
of when the debate airs, the US.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Markets will be closed.

Speaker 11 (09:29):
US markets tend to take presidential elections in their strata.
I just said, I just don't think you're going to
get the detail in the debate that you need. You
get the sound bites, you get the confrontation, you get
the you know, you get a sort of immuted one
on one you know, from a market point of view,
the things that we're really interested in tax policy, spending,
what they're doing, spending, what they're doing on tariffs. But
and you know the Democrats, Harris, they're talking about raising

(09:51):
the corporate tax rate, they're talking about taxing the uber wealthy.
Trump is talking about lowering the corporate tax rate. I
just don't think it's going to be a market movement.
And always remember what they say they're going to do
and then what they are able to do through depending
on how the lower and upper House, what the composition
that is, you know, as a moot point, So probably
one four to watch as opposed to move the market. Okay, numbers, well,

(10:16):
the Dow jones are the mountments down one hundred and
fifty five points, that's point thirty nine percent forty thousand,
six hundred and seventy one. But the S and P
five hundred and the Nasdaq are both up. The S
and P five hundred up twelve points five four eighty
two and the NASDAK up one hundred and twelve points
sixteen thousand, nine hundred and ninety six, So mixed there.
The fots one hundred fell just over three quarters of percent.

(10:37):
Overnight eight two o five. The nick was down point
one six percent thirty six thousand, one hundred and fifty nine.
Shangho Composit gained point two eight percent two seven four four.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
The Australasian markets were pretty quiet yesterday.

Speaker 11 (10:50):
The A six two hundred gained twenty four points eight
oh one one and we gained eleven points then sex
fifty twelve thousand, six hundred and thirty two key against
the US point six it's one five to one point
nine two four to three against the Aussie point five
five ato euro point four to seven oh six pounds
eighty seven point five seven.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Jeffy's Yeah, gold is trading at two thousand.

Speaker 11 (11:10):
Five hundred and thirteen dollars, and we are going to
have to talk about oil tomorrow night. Oil price sixty
nine dollars, love it and nine cents.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
So we might talk about what's going on there tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Rabbit all over my body, let's bathe in it. Fantastic, right, mate,
Andrew Kellermywealth dot co dot NZ. Yes, I like turners,
not only because of Tina, but anyway, they've gone and
bought half of my auto shop. My auto shop was
a good idea and it was invented a couple of
years ago by a guy called Richard and his mate Andy.

(11:41):
And anyway, Turners have had a look at it and
it's it's a sort of an automated thing. Anyway, it's
it's it's an expansion of what Turners offer. And Turner's
is a good company. I like in them to Brisco's
main freight has you know, good New Zealand stories doing well.
So they've gone and bought half my auto shop and
that's going to enhance their under their service and their product,
and good luck to them. Six twenty one, Here at
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Speaker 1 (12:00):
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Speaker 2 (12:11):
Talks at B Chickens coming home to Rust, Mic forcing
EV manufacturers by government and Western countries while CO two
explodes are still a trace gas. Having said that, it's
interesting you should say that because look up the headline.
Car giants forced to confront hard truths over EV transition.
This is part of the ongoing European problem They've got
at the moment that it's potentially one of the biggest

(12:32):
mistakes of the modern era that all these major manufacturers
have leaped head and put into something that they're now
going to have to extract themselves from quickly. The numbers
on the UK vote generic. This guy Generic won again
two rounds one and both thirty three votes. Bad knocks
second on twenty eight. They're getting testy. The rest are

(12:54):
going to fall by the wayside. They keep voting till
they get to two. Once they get to two goes
to the party, the party membership rather then you got
to Adrian Newey. Another piece of reading from the BBC,
it's well worth looking up thirty million a year. That's pound,
so he's earning sixty million bucks. Ynf one designer is
one of the sports highest earning Britain's Adrian Newey is

(13:14):
a genius and he's been announced officially overnight by Aston
Martin as their latest recruiter. He is a downforce expert,
He builds cars that nobody else can and he may
well be the difference for Aston Martin. So he's been
hired and on a long term deal. There is also
a stakeholder in the company. Worth watching the video and
reading the story because he's a fascinating bloke.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
Six twenty six trending now Quill Jemiswalluse, the home of
big brand Fightamens.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Now Milani's bank. She's been absent, of course, on the
campaign trail so far. Show brief appearance at the Republican
Convention a couple of weeks ago. But we've got two clips,
all of a sudden on X both short, sharp and fuzzy.
When I say fuzzy, plenty of low light and mood.
She has questions around the shooting.

Speaker 12 (13:55):
The attempt to end my husband's life was a horrible
distress experience. Now the silence around it feels heavy. I
can't help but wonder why didn't law enforcement officials arouse
the shooter before the speech. There is definitely more to

(14:16):
this story, and we need to uncover the truth.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Oh, low level conspiracy questions? Very good. If you've got
a I don't know, oh, a book. Does she have
a book? She's got a book coming out? Who saw
that coming? Summation of the polls Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania,
North Carolina, Michigan, and Washington. They're all well, with a
possible exception of Wisconsin, where Harris's ahead by three. They're
all well within the margin of era. As we enter

(14:43):
the debate today. So this is a tight race not
only nationally but in these so called swing states as well.
So more on this later on in the program. Meantime
news for you in a couple of moments, and then
is help coming for the Golden Mile in the Capitol.
That's after the news which is next here at news
Talk said.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
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Speaker 2 (15:10):
In a couple of moments. Then we'll get to Winstone
in the center of the North Island and the industrial
base of this country if you like. Meantime speaking, which
ironically twenty three minutes away from seven might be a
little bit of help, maybe some light for beleagued businesses
in the capital are The may is considering support for
those affected by the Golden Mile construction. Between the cost
of living, the job cuts, employees working from home, all
of that downtown is in real trouble, as I'm sure

(15:32):
you're well aware, Guardian of the Golden Miles, Spokespurst and
Barry Wilson's Beck Weather's Berry morning to you, Good morning.
It's hold the bait that's going on in Wellington at
the moment. You know whether it's dying or not. What's
your view?

Speaker 13 (15:42):
Generally, the player is not dying and we're not in
the rigging waters, but we are in some deep trouble
pretty more so than your goodhood. No, we've got a
lot of damn stuff going on, a lot of too
much disruption, too much mad planning and training Aroundricknessy and
to many raid cones.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Is there any sense of what the council could do
apart from not do the Golden mile by way of
help for.

Speaker 13 (16:06):
Businesses, it's basically im possible to do. It's just a
fantasy of the mayor and various are the people that
a child is. No, they cannot afford this. I mean
when the interventions in Bond Street and my tory a
few years ago, or they closed off Bond Street that
you might require some majestic how business went down fifty percent? Well,
how do you commentate fifty percent? Unless they give you know,

(16:29):
a commensation, a numbers, you've lost. It won't work. Little
attitudes and small help and small gifts means.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Nothing that's correct. This is a council that's crippled by debt.
They had their credit rating lowered this week by SMP.
How is it they have money, they can spend money,
they don't have saving businesses that are going under because
of the actions that they won't accept. Are the actions
that are driving the businesses under in the first place?

Speaker 13 (16:58):
Good points you make them. It's a business planners and
ose on on faith embarking that.

Speaker 14 (17:03):
I mean the left we.

Speaker 13 (17:04):
Call them the gray the gray green Left, just business bangers.
They have no idea, no background business, no idea about money,
how to earn it, save it, guard it, they spend it.
There's absolutely reckless pirates.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Really, is there any possibility that the rejing of the
Golden Mile won't happen? Or are they helping?

Speaker 15 (17:25):
Well?

Speaker 13 (17:25):
I know they help then, but I think we've got
it pretty much cut out of the pass. I mean,
they've changed so many things that it's really meant that
they're defying Minister's pair words. I mean they're taking away
two critical bustops they say they can't replace and put
back lets is done, because that would be a positive,
just finding to do the positives. But the biggest thing
we found out this is the news of today. Read

(17:47):
what the news recently and Paris orders. A very leaning
journalists found us out. We have a Walker Kitari board
a minute or a brief from Brett Giddon and Robin
Elston to the board which says that the gold of
mahas business support. That was absolute falsehood. And so we're
saying now that the border of walkerck Day to the
end or to borrow of the one three nine million

(18:09):
was based on a falsehood by officers. And that's when
with Deedwockick to Day, all these people are walking in
locks tip at the council officers who were all bent
on the Salooney Golden Mile. They care a revitalization, it's
a ruination.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Mike good Only Wilson Barry appreciate it very much. Barry
Wilson guarding into the Golden Mile. The state at home
Gate aren't helping as well. I wonder whether there's some
sort of role for the government, and that Shane Jones,
by the way, who's sort of tied up his associate
Energy Minister and regional minister. He'll be with us after
seven on the Windstone thing. But Wellington in terms of
people being at home has been an ongoing problem of course.
Nineteen away from seven scar the results of the misery

(18:45):
Index and tell you why Karmala Harris is going to
win the race. They've successfully the misery index predicted presidential
elections for four decades. The gauge adds the unemployment rate
and the pace of annualized inflation together for an insight
into the intensity of it is displeasure with the economy.
So the index currently sitting at seven point zero two,

(19:05):
which is below the level needed to boot the incumbent
out of office. The level needs to be seven point
three to five to three on average. The number accounts
for the modest decline in the job. This right that
we got a couple of days ago to four point
two percent. So if you're below seven point three five three,
which at seven point zero two, they are the incumbent wins.

(19:25):
But of course we've not had the incumbent the way
it is at the moment of shean incumbent or just
to surrogate incumbent. Nineteen away from seven.

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(20:27):
Mike was he talking about Taronga? Nope, I totally agree
with Barry, Mike, unbelievable what our mayor's done and the
council was somebody voted. I mean, I'm assuming that are
people listening to this this morning that voted for all
of this and they're thoroughly enjoying the experience. I was
told last night, Mike, the town Hall needs more money
for Phase two. It's ridiculous. Too many cones, it's depressing,
too many raised crossings. The mayor and the Green councilors

(20:48):
have got no clue. They're slowly strangling and destroying our city.

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Speaker 2 (20:59):
So Tird Richard morning, I'm ready a you.

Speaker 16 (21:03):
I don't know, but already or not, this might be
the critical moment in the seemingly endless presidential campaign. Here
is the two contenders come on the Harrison Donald Trump
face off in a few hours. Here the big debate.
They have never been in the same room before. Now
they will be standing what only meters apart in a
tiny space in Philadelphia for their first and likely only debate.

Speaker 13 (21:24):
Encountered.

Speaker 16 (21:25):
The polls much as they were at the start of
the week when we spoke. Trump is up by a
couple of points in Arizona and Florida. Harrison Trump attired
in Georgia, Nevada, and North Carolina. Harris is up by
three points in Michigan. Also in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. So
those last three are what is sometimes called the blue wall.
If Democrats can win these states and always, all these poles,
of course, are within the margin of error. So this

(21:47):
debate in a few hours is critical. It is ninety minutes.
There will be no audience. Mike's are on only when
the candidate questioned is speaking, Otherwise they muted. Only the
moderators can ask questions. There will be no opening statements.
Trump won the COURSS, so he gets to speak last.
So Trump says he has not been preparing for the debate,
But yes, he has been.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Doing debate prep.

Speaker 16 (22:07):
Just I don't call it that, folks. One interesting dynamic
is how Trump deals with a woman. He debated Hillary
couldn't course twenty sixteen. Here is a brief moment from that.

Speaker 17 (22:15):
She doesn't of the.

Speaker 12 (22:16):
Look, she doesn't have the stamina.

Speaker 17 (22:19):
I said, she doesn't have the stamina, and I don't.

Speaker 18 (22:22):
Believe she does have the stamina.

Speaker 12 (22:24):
Believe me, she has tremendous hate in her heart.

Speaker 16 (22:27):
Poor little females right, don't have the stamina, and boyd
they don't have the low, says Trump. Well, how will
that play at a time of growing gender gap? Here
here is Harris's take on Trump right now.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
There's no floor for him.

Speaker 19 (22:39):
In terms of how low he will go, and we should.

Speaker 20 (22:43):
Be prepared for that.

Speaker 19 (22:44):
We should be prepared for the fact that he is
not burdened.

Speaker 20 (22:47):
By telling the truth.

Speaker 16 (22:48):
Republicans arranged a Capitol Hill memorial today for the thirty
US troops who were killed in that suicide bombing that
hit the trouble departure from Afghanistan three years ago.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
So is the politics and the.

Speaker 16 (22:58):
Timing of this event three years on to the day.
Harris is bringing two former Trump officials as debate guests
for the Spin Room later tonight. One is Anthony Scaramucci,
who served for ten days coundam as Trump's communications chief,
about as long as an expired ham sandwich, says a
Trump aid.

Speaker 14 (23:16):
Now.

Speaker 16 (23:16):
Other former Trump officials, Pence Bolton, Mike Millie, Mark esper So,
former VP National Security Advisor, Pit of the Joint Chiefs,
and Defense Secrety appear in Democratic campaign commercials now. Meantime.
Trump said this bit of complete nonsense at.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
His last rally.

Speaker 17 (23:33):
Tamala support states being able to take minor children and
perform sex change operation, take them away from their parents,
perform sex change operation, and send them back home. Can
you imagine you're a parent and your son leaves the
house and you say, Jimmy, I love you so much,

(23:54):
go have a good day in school, and your son
comes back with a.

Speaker 16 (23:59):
Brutal rubbish of course, but then the internet never.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Lies, right, Ah, for God's sake. Then we get to Nevada,
where the Murdoch story is going to be fascinating, and
see how this plays out.

Speaker 16 (24:10):
Well, it's succession the sequel, isn't it. We thought the
saga of azillionaire's kids fighting furiously to control the media
empire when he's dead is done with the end of
the HBO mini series Sink again, folks in Nevada. Today,
a court case begins where ninety three year old Rupert
Murdock is still kicking trying to overturn a long standing
family trust which was put in place when Rupert split

(24:32):
from his second wife Anna. The idea what these children
would have equal shares in the Murdock empire. Latterly, though,
Murdoch has favored his right leaning son of Lachlan and
stepped aside to give him sway a Fox News, Wall
Street Journal, New York Post and so on. Now three
other Murdoch offspring James, Elizabeth and Prudence are suing to

(24:52):
prevent a move to quash the original family trust. Rupert,
arguing that only Lachlan can maintain his empire's commercial value,
trying to keep the legal proceedings under ramps, but outlets
including The New York Times, Washington Post, AP Reuter's are
demanding access to the hearings over the thirty two billion
dollar in New Zealand Murdock empire. Meantime, horror of horrors

(25:12):
for Rupert and his fifth wife, for Elaina Zakova or
whatever her name is. But his son James has just
endorsed Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Oh no, all right, mate, we'll see it Friday. Appreciate
it very much, Richard, unlouded states RFK. I thought this
was sorted, but it wasn't. I told you that he
was stuck on the ballot in various swing states after
withdrawing in supporting Trump. So I thought he was stuck
because they couldn't do anything about it apart from go
to court. They went to court and they won, and
so then he was off the ballot. But then the

(25:43):
people in Michigan decided they needed to go to court again,
so they went to the Supreme Court and the Supreme
Court rule five to two overturning the appeals court decision
that had removed him, and the Secretary of State got
involved in this, so anyway, he's back on. So we'll
keep you posted ten away from seven.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
The my Hostle Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate US Talk.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Says he, Well, Mike, how brainless is the US system? Well?
Pretty brainless? Obviously, refuse JFK to be taken off the ballot.
Happily allow Biden off the nomination. It's a technicality, but
I take your point, Mike. The whole we're in as
a country and the eyewatering debt we have as a
standard to switch to TV on Sunday to hear Hipkin's
vision and plan for regaining government is to borrow more

(26:25):
for infrastructure and tax people more. Is he really that stupid?
You probably answered your own question, Mike, Parliament Thorndon that
part of Wellington's actually fairly vibrant and busy. Well, I'm
not surprised. It's where the government is up around Willis Street,
but beyond their manors, Wakefield Courtney Place, absolute hellhole of construction.
And closed shops, vagrants and homeless. It's heartbreaking. The sooner

(26:46):
that Parner goes, well, you voted for her. We have
an adult in charge, the better, Thank you, Rhonda. And
speaking of adults in charge, it is almost inconceivable that
Elderinezi is as inept as he is in Australia. But
he announced today that he's drawing up legislation. So he's
going to ban kids from going on social media, as
though that's a thing you can do, and so it

(27:07):
will be exactly the same. They haven'tdrawn up the legislation.
He thinks about sixteen's ripe. Sixteen ish above you can
go on social media. The legislation will involve the business
of simply are you eighteen or sixteen when you go
on social media. So when you go to TikTok, it
will go are you sixteen and you will go yes,
even though you're six, and that will be the end
of it. And the fact that he thinks that's going

(27:29):
to make any difference whatsoever is contained in the Sydney
Morning Herald headline I read yesterday, which was buried far
too far down the article. It said will it actually work?
And their opening line was no, country in the world
has rolled out a system like the one that the
e Safety Commission is proposing. Beginning middle an end of

(27:50):
story five away from seven, all.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
The ins and the outs. It's the biz with business favor.
Take your business productivity to the vex level.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Where's thefts, lord of the rings? All that stuff? Peter Jackson.
They employ more than two thousand people, got a nice
little set up in mirrmar in Wellington. Funnily enough, one
truckloads of oscars. One of the top special effects companies,
of course in the world, and yet we get numbers
for the first time this morning. In basically I suspect
the Taylor of the New Zealand economy and perhaps Wellington's,
maybe even Hollywoods. They posted losses for the past two years.

(28:21):
How can does a company be so successful when so
many wards and still not make money. So for the
year to March of twenty four they lost eighty three million.
The year before that lost one hundred and seven. They're
disrupted by the strikes in Hollywood for the twenty four year,
though that only concided with a small drop in revenue
four thirty seven million down to four thirty so it
wasn't a major drop. They do expect to return to
profitability medium turn thanks to some big budget productions that

(28:42):
they've been involved in that aren't included in the twenty
four books. So this are the encouraging parts. So what
have they been involved in Dead Paul and Wolverine that's
gone well for them? Well, I hope it goes welcome
because it' certainly gone well at the box office, House
of Dragon and Planet of the Apes. So they've involved
in all those. By the way, the perfect couple, liv
Shreiver and Nicole Kidman, and a couple of people will going, oh, well,

(29:03):
do I know those faces from that sort of show? Anyway,
I started watching a bit of that yesterday afternoon once
I watched the New York Jets impale themselves against the
San Francisco forty nine ers. And it's a short series,
it's six episodes. It's got quite a bit of buzz.
It's trash, but it's quality trash. In fact, one article
I read about it sits on this sometimes trash can

(29:25):
be treasured, all words to that effect, and that was
a good summation of what the program's about. It's got
an intriguing vibe about it, so if you're sort of
a bit, you know, bit of wanderlust in the afternoon,
and you know, you think, why don't I click on
the television and the debate's not going to do it
for you. The perfect couple might be a little something
too well, watch right, middle of the North Island. Bugget
what are we going to do about it? We'll get
into that after the news, which is next. Here as

(29:47):
news to.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
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Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate, your local experts across residential,
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Speaker 2 (30:02):
Had been seven past seven is Winstone Mills have made
their announcement. Hundreds of jobs have lost in the center
of the North Island, and the power price debates sparked
back up again. Octopus Energy has operated here for a
couple of years, but the major players in Britain, they've
got these sites on the electricity Authority. Their COO, as
Margaret Cooney is well, it's Margaret morning to you.

Speaker 15 (30:19):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
So we're going to be a little bit careful here
are you using this to push your barrow where jobs
are lost? Because I know you're one of those retailers
who doesn't like the gent tailor model. Is that what
that's all about.

Speaker 13 (30:30):
I think this.

Speaker 21 (30:32):
Situation demonstrates the problems in the market. So the prices
in the contracts market, which these large industrial customers rely on,
have been elevated well above average price of new generation
for six years. So six years is enough time for

(30:57):
new generation to be built. It's enough time for intervention
that electro feel authority. So you're absolutely right that I'm
highlighting the issue, but it's because it's really important. Electricity
is really the lifeblood of the New Zealand economy.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Couldn't agree more. I'm just asking the question because I'm
not one hundred percent convinced it's purely power related this
particular job loss, So it could well be pulp and
logs and stuff like that, but that's not your domain.
Could you defend to any degree what has been said
when the previous government and power onslow is in play.
When Onslow's in play, Noe's investing in anything.

Speaker 21 (31:37):
Look, I think the views of the market have identified
quite a number of competition issues, and if competition was
working well, we would have had new generation coming into market.
Things like Onslow are a bit of a distraction because
actually Onslow is a project that would have encouraged more

(32:02):
should in theory, have encouraged more renewable investment, that we
didn't see that through that period.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
What about the reading report this week? As I have
the pipeline of what's been announced is stupendous when that
gets built, problem solved, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (32:20):
No, that's not right because these projects aren't real until
they have finance committed to them. So if you go
through that pipeline and you look at what projects actually
have finance committed to them.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Isn't there money the law for the stuff you make
it green? People can't throw money at you fast enough.

Speaker 9 (32:37):
Well.

Speaker 21 (32:37):
One of the problems is that many international players would
like to enter the New Zealand market. We're one of
those that we've identified that there are problems with competition
and the concentration of the gentailers and ultimately you need
to get to those structural issues which have been identified

(32:58):
by the OECD. So earlier and journe they came out
with the report showing that there were barriers to compet
in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
And where I think I do agree with you this EA.
I have no idea what they do I mean, are
they asleep as anyone turned up at the office.

Speaker 14 (33:12):
What do they do?

Speaker 21 (33:14):
Well, Look, they've got a spectatory objective in the long
term mints of New Zealand consumers. So let's hope this
morning they.

Speaker 18 (33:22):
Focus on that.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Okay, nice to talk to you, appreciate it very much.
Margaret Kuner, who's the octopus? The Energy Chief Operating Office?
A ten minutes past seven? So outside the power scrap
the mill closure, massive blow of course for regional New Zealand.
You've got a couple of meals, two hundred and thirty
jobs just like that. You've got the chateau problem on going.
Fucker Papa, that's a mess. So the whole regions in
real trouble. The Minister for Regional Development, the Associate Energy
Minister as well, Shanged Jones, as we this morning to you,

(33:46):
is this about power or is it about pulp and logs?

Speaker 9 (33:51):
Ah. We can't control in New Zealand, Mike, the commodity prices,
we can't control. Foreign exchange. We can't control it. Just
exp at the end of the Eutumomica railway line will trade.
One thing we can control those is the structure and
the competitiveness of our power prices, and until such time
we start to look at options of breaking up the
power of each gent tailors, who quite frankly, have ruled

(34:13):
over various governments, intimidated them that your last speaker, I think,
if there's one thing I agree with her. Until we
boost competitiveness, you're going to see the aluminum sector telling
me they're going to start importing. The corn growers are
doubtful whether they're going to grow because they kin'd of
they're worried about the cost of energy. And course we've
got methodics briefing their start today about a substantial downgrade.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, exactly. Is the EA of any use to anybody
whatsoever or not?

Speaker 9 (34:39):
Now, I've described the EA as a chocolate teapot, and
I stand by that because they've got all the powers
in the world. But I suspect that they've been intimidated
as well by the gent tailors. And look, it's up
to you and I as Keiwis and your listeners. Do
you want an economy where the price of power is
internationally competitive to keep businesses functioning? Or do you want

(34:59):
to dis value economy and turn it into an important model.
I don't want that, which is why Simeon Brown and
I are signing off. The signing off now the criteria,
and that criteria for the review of the power sector
will involve structural separation.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Okay, so how are you going to do that and
what timeframe is that on? Because you're starting that, you
got it. The rubbers hit the road now, it's real.
So announcements don't cut it. When do you do something
about the EA? When do you separate the gent tailors?
Over what time?

Speaker 9 (35:27):
In fairness to Simim, he's already announced that he's looking
for a number of new members for the EA. I
think the power has always been there, but look, people
have there had this nervousness, they've had this skitterishness. Don't
touch the power system. We trusted the power system to
deliver outcomes they're boost international competitivists and national security.

Speaker 15 (35:47):
They haven't.

Speaker 9 (35:48):
So we have to change it simple and over what
time frame?

Speaker 13 (35:51):
Though?

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Because this is a here and now problem.

Speaker 9 (35:54):
Yes, and I'm not walking away from that. And that's
a ghastly outcome the people and all Harkuni in that area.
But the power company solved the problem for Rio Tinto.
They had every opportunity and every incentive to come up
with a solution, Paunstone. They tried hard and I find
it's a very ghastly outcome. But obviously the review has

(36:14):
been signed off in short orders. The work's already taking
place with the Commerce Commission in the EA. But hey, mate,
the reality is we're having a crack at doing something
remarkably different from the days of the mid nineties, and
we've got to do it carefully, so to bugger up
the economy in the way that Jasinda and Meghan Woods
bug it up the gas industry with their juvenile announcement

(36:38):
in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Appreciate time, Shane Jones, Energy Minister, Regional Development Minister, thirteen
minutes past seven. A lot of came back on this
over the time. I find it incomprehensible, Mike that a
large company so reliant on power does not have a
fixed power. So you're talking hedging. They did. They hedged
for half. The rest was on the spot market. You
don't want to hedge against everything, because of course the
spot market is not always where the spot market was. Recently,
when the spot markets zero, you don't want to be

(37:01):
hedged up higher than that. But they can do nothing
about it. But there is in there somewhere a story
about the price of commodities, has Shane alluded to briefly,
And might I also make a pleader Mike Ryan, who's
the CEO, possibly the chief financial Officer's a guy called
Glenn Whiting. You got a front. You've got to be public.
You cannot have the sort of effect on a region
the way you have. And I am not saying your

(37:22):
decisions right or wrong. I'm simply saying you've got to
be accountable. You've got to explain yourself because there's a
lot of questions at play here that I have for you,
one of which is how much is power and how
much is locks? And is it just an industry that
was going nowhere anyway? And a bad power bill for
a couple of months tipped you over the edge. And
the real story is the commodity not the power price.
Are you're blaming the power companies needlessly? Or is the

(37:45):
power price real? And I can never get those answers
if you don't answer the phone and hold yourself to
some sort of account for them.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Past the Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 2 (38:00):
Be Scott Jennings former advisor to George w on the
debate to day after seven thirty this morning meantime at
seventeen past, the Australian government, as I mentioned earlier, entered
into the world of fantasy by pretending they can slap
a social media ban on kids Albanezi no less as
drafting legislation involving age limits. They think about sixteen. If
you're below sixteen, you won't be able to access, allegedly
social media experts. Certified Facebook community trainer Katie Brown is

(38:22):
with us on this Katie Morning. To you one day,
I'll ask you whether it's doable in a moment as
an idea.

Speaker 14 (38:29):
Do you like it? No?

Speaker 19 (38:31):
I don't like it as an idea. I just don't
think it's practical. But it's not helpful for young people
navigating digital spaces either.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
No, exactly.

Speaker 19 (38:41):
All the excerpts say it's not a good idea.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
So it's not a good idea, and it's not even workable.
It's not workable, isn't. I mean if you ask somebody
are they sixteen or eighteen or whatever the case may be,
they're not going to answer correctly if they don't want to,
are they?

Speaker 14 (38:52):
No?

Speaker 9 (38:53):
No, I think you.

Speaker 19 (38:54):
Probably had a fake Ida when you were when you
were younger, you know, so young people will find way
to get onto the channels that they want to get
onto if it's the popular channel that they want to
be on.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
So can I just congratulate?

Speaker 15 (39:08):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Do you when you said I had a face ID
when I was younger. When I was younger, they didn't
have the internet. So I'm a great deal older than
you clearly think I am. But thank you so much
for that because you've you've lifted me up immeasurably for
the day. But no, I'm correct and saying no one
anyway has done this, have they? And they just can't.

Speaker 19 (39:25):
Well, I was listening to the South Australian Premiere talking
about how Florida had had enacted some sort of law,
but you know, you could just drive over the over
the barrier line and you're in a new state and
you can access again. So yeah, like I say, provision
doesn't work. Fixing the core of the problem, which is

(39:45):
the content, which is the you know, the platforms allowing
access to that content, that's really important. And so I
think it's worth while putting pressure on the platforms and saying, hey,
you need to be doing more to protect young people
under the age of six, but banning them will just
drive their behavior into secret and it means that they
might not be talking to the appearance about some of

(40:07):
the best stuff they're seeing.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Well done, Katie, appreciate your expertise. Katie Brown one of
my favorite guests. Let's get her on again. Any old
subject doesn't really matter as long as she flatters me.
I'm all in speaking of social media more on a
moment seven twenty.

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(41:12):
Warehouse pasking a lot of people texting saying, she said
fake ID, not face ID. If you're old and deaf
like me, she said face So there seven twenty three.
Now the cockup. Speaking of social media and tech, the
cockup that the Inland Revenue Department, as engineer gives us say,
has given us a good insight into how the public service,
apart from anything else, is run. They hand our information,

(41:34):
your information, my information over to Google and Facebook.

Speaker 13 (41:37):
Et cetera.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
They do this so they can better tailor their advertising.
Even at this point, this early point, surely there's a
couple of large red flags here. Firstly, I would argue
there's a patriotic duty for all government funded agencies to
at least pause and ask themselves. Given the relationship with
social media and the local media and ripping off of
locally created content and making money from it. Whether the

(41:58):
government should be throwing more at them, while at the
same time allegedly trying to cut some sort of revenue
deal where the international players come to the table and
actually pay for the content they're ripping off. Secondly, and
more importantly, the info the IRD has has been gained
by compulsion. We have no choice but to hand over
our details to them. At what point did they gain

(42:18):
the right to on sell them to another party, far
less an international one with as the record shows, and
multiple jurisdictions, not a lot of interest in behaving in
a way that doesn't attract an outsized amount of attention
to the ways of doing business. I mean, from America
to Europe to Britain. How many times have these players
been called before committees and tribunals and inquiries to answer
questions about their practices, records, business approach, revenue generation in general,

(42:40):
omni presence in people's lives. IRD will tell you our
details are safe, The names, the ages, the serial numbers
are confidential. They've been hashed. I think that's the term.
That's where they take letters and all that sort of
thing and turn them into numbers and keys. But have
they are they really now? People, especially those on social media,
they give them a lot of themselves the way, of course,

(43:01):
on a regular basis, often not even realizing it. But
the idea are different. We had no choice, we weren't asked,
We didn't give permission. That needs to be addressed asking.
That's before we come to TikTok. I've been on the
TikTok this morning. Actually, somebody said to me, Hey, have
you seen TikTok Ministry of Education TikTok page. This is

(43:21):
the official Ministry of Education TikTok page. They've got thirteen
thousand follow us. What losers are following the education departments
TikTok page thirteen thousand?

Speaker 22 (43:30):
Well, how many people work for the education?

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Very good point. Very good points can pulsory when you
join six hundred and eighty three likes. They're posting stories
of students achieving stuff. That's what they do, fair enough,
a little bit uplifting, nothing wrong with that. They used
this post caption Besties Please for real or Besties pls
for real to encourage kids to go to school. So

(43:53):
what they've got is what they've got is a picture.
It's just a picture. It's a brightly colored picture with
lots of bright fluorescent type colors. There's some white fluffy clouds.
Nothing's happening in the picture. Is just a photo. It's
not moving. Some white fluffy clouds against a beautiful azure
blue sky. There's a balloon, little balloon in the distance.

(44:17):
There's some rainbows. Somebody, I assume an aerial specialist with
a plane with smoke coming out in the back, has
scrawled a love heart across the sky. There's a leaping
dolphin coming out from these beautiful clear blue waters. And
below the waters you can see it's clearly not the
Great Barrier reef because it's crystal clear, the corals alive,

(44:37):
and there are a beautiful tropical fishes swimming everywhere, not
swimming because it's a still picture. Anyway. It just says
in the middle of this picture on their TikTok account,
go to school, Go to school. That post has twenty
five thousand likes and one hundred and sixty one thousand views.

(44:57):
Someone commented is it ToxS, saying they weren't at school
because they're sick, and the Ministry replied, we hope you
feel better soon, Besting. That's what the ministry said, We
hope you feel better soon, Besting. Someone's paying for this,
and I suspect it's us, and we're going to get
to the bottom of it. And that's the music in
the background. We're going to get to the bottom of
it and see how much.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
It is demanding the answers from the decision makers. The
mic asking breakfast with a Vita, retirement Communities, Life your
Way News Tog said.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Beside from Blair, Mike, the power price was the final
straw log prices at around one hundred hour price needs
to be one twenty to wash its face. Bigger players
will ride the ups and downs out, but throwing the
energy rises it's unsustainable, Mike. The idea of broken a
major trust obligation. I would have thought so, And Mike,
I've complained to Willis and the Privacy Commissioner on that one.
We'll good luck and see where that goes. Twenty three

(45:49):
minutes away from eight, we get politics webess Days, Mark Mitchell,
Jimy Anderson after eight o'clock at debate Day in America.
The last one changed the course of the race. Of course,
So all eyes on Philly today as Donald Trump lines
against Kamala Harris. Seeing in common title film and special
assistant to George Bush Scott Jennings with us, good morning.

Speaker 15 (46:05):
Good morning, glad to be with you now.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
By why have a singular event in a big rice?
What white do you place on today's event?

Speaker 15 (46:12):
Well, it's a big deal because it may be the
only debate between Trump and Harris. Historically, presidential debates have
not moved the numbers in a huge way, although earlier
this summer in June, we did see a debate obviously
changed the campaign dramatically because it led to the dropout
of Joe Biden. This is Kamala Harris's first chance to
do something that's rather unscripted. Most of what she has

(46:34):
done so far has been off of a teleprompter behind
the podium. So for a lot of the American people,
they know her name, but they don't know much about her,
and this debate may be the first chance to learn.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
The Harris interview I watched, it's one of those things.
She said nothing and walked away from it seemingly unskuyised.
How much interest is there in the specifics as opposed
to the vibes.

Speaker 15 (46:55):
Well, I do think people want to know which Kamala
Harris were getting here when she ran for president. Before
she ran on quite a liberal or progressive platform. Now
she's saying that she no longer believes in many of
those things. So how she handles those questions tonight about
you know you believe this? Now you say you don't?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
You know that?

Speaker 15 (47:14):
That gives you an idea of what kind of a
leader someone would be. So I do think there's some
interest in it. Plus, she's obviously Joe Biden's vice president.
He's not terribly popular. I'm wondering is she going to
separate herself from President Biden in any way by saying,
for instance, you know, he made this decision, I disagreed
with it. I would have done it differently. I suspect

(47:35):
something like that's going to have to happen at some point.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
What about the frecking decision? For example? Do Americans look
at that and go, she count make up of mind?
Or do they guy right, she's on the right side
of it. Last at least we got there.

Speaker 15 (47:45):
Well, I think if you specifically live in Pennsylvania, which
I regard as the most important state, fracking is a
big deal. It has revitalized the state's economy and has
you know, been just a huge part of what's going
on with the energy his history in Pennsylvania, she used
to oppose it because that was the fashionable thing to
do on the American left. Now she says she wouldn't

(48:07):
oppose it because obviously she needs to win the state
of Pennsylvania. So again, that plus a number of other topics,
how she handles those flip flops is going to tell
us a lot about her political skill tonight, and Americans
are interested in what she has to say about that. Obviously,
liberals or progressives want a ban on fracking, but most
people think we should be producing our own energy here.

(48:29):
So it's a tightrope for her to try to balance
what her base would want versus what perhaps swing voters
in Pennsylvania would want.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
You mentioned Pennsylvania one of the important swing sites, and
looking at an averageable the polls, they're all within the
madin of era. Is it really that tight? Do you believe?
The polls in general?

Speaker 15 (48:46):
Yeah, very close race across the board in all the
swing states Pennsylvania included. It is very close. Nationally, there
have been three national high quality polls in the last
couple of days, one had Trump up, one, one had
him down one one, and one had it tied. And
so it is very close, much closer, frankly than the
polling showed in twenty twenty or twenty sixteen. So we're

(49:09):
in a very, very very close race. Now. Some people
think that favors Trump because there are people who are
just hard to poll who end up showing up to
vote for Trump, and he tends to do better than
he polls. But I regarded as close, and I think
either campaign could win any of these swing states that
are in play.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
What about Trump and is attacking of her character, of
her personality, and whether that grows his vote, do you
place weight on that or not.

Speaker 15 (49:32):
I think he should stick to the issues. I think
if he gets into a personality contest, he's unlikely to prevail.
I think if he gets into a contest about who
would represent change in America, he's likely to win the race.
Most people want change, they don't think the country's off
on the right track. They're unhappy about the economic policies
of the current administration. If you stick to those things,

(49:53):
and if you're Donald Trump and you say, well, why
would you leave the same people in charge that you're
already mad at. I think that's a hand to get
into a personality contest or to an insult contest with
someone I don't think serves as purposes tonight.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Can you call it right now with any level of
confidence or not?

Speaker 23 (50:10):
Not?

Speaker 2 (50:10):
The debate the rice, absolutely not.

Speaker 15 (50:13):
I don't have any level of confidence. I wouldn't hazard
to make a guess. I think it is a total
jump ball. I will say I think Donald Trump is
in better shape today than he was in either twenty
sixteen or twenty twenty. In both of those races, he
was behind, very few people thought he had a chance
to win. That is not the case this time. By

(50:33):
some measures, He's more popular and thought of better today
than he was in either of those races. So I
think Trump's in better shape. But it's a total total
jump ball, and either campaign could prevail, and this debate
tonight is going to be one of the most monumental
points in the race because it may be the last
time we see them together.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Indeed, Scott, appreciate your time. Go well, well, that's Scott
Jennings form of special assistant to George Bush. You see
him occasionally on CNN one PM New Zealand out time
eighteen away from eight pass by Kadrian Nui to Aston
sixty four million per years. That report correct, apparently so
thirty million pounds. He signed up long term become a
shareholder within the F one company or part of the company.

(51:12):
There's a video out there. They had a press conference
with Lawrence Stroll in front of some assembled guests. He
will transform. I alluded to a piece that you can
look up on the BBC recently that gives an insight
into who he is, why he's so valuable, why so
many people were chasing him for Ari was chasing him,
Aston were chasing him. He got fed up at Red Bull,
so left. He's a good story. He's a fascinating individual, Mike.

(51:33):
A benefit of the referendum on local MURRAI wards may
increase vote to turn out next year. This could be
a bonus. What do you reckon, Paul? I think you're right,
and if I don't think you're right, I hope you're right.
The more people who vote in local body elections. Part
of the reason I'm absolutely one hundred present convinced is
we are in the mess where in terms of councils
and debt and the downgrading of credit ratings and all
the other shambles that's going on is because no one cares.

(51:56):
And when nobody cares, the crazies get let loose. And
look what the crazies do when we're not paying attention
or participating.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Seventeen to two, The Vike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by the News talks at me.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Poor old Kerry's very upset this morning. She's just accosted
me in the kitchen, which is not the first time
that's happened. I can tell you, but the details will
be in the book eventually. Dave Grohl's had a child
out of wedlock, she's claiming this morning, and exactly exactly, Glynn, exactly.
His head's almost fallen off his shoulders. Dave Groll, lovable guy,
likable guy, child out of wetlock. You think you know people?

(52:35):
The lakes are filling up. I don't want to be
all down about the weather this morning, so I'm going
to give you something uplifting. Meridian. They've got some hydro lakes.
They like them full. They're above their ninety one year
average for the first time since May so this is
good poo khaki that's above. That's the upper couple of
meters since its lowest point in late August, there's a
further eighty to one hundred and sixty meals of rain coming,

(52:57):
huge inflows into Manapuri and Tiana both At the top
of the arrange is another two hundred mills of brain forecast.
It rains in that part of the world a lot.
We can rely on strong generation out of Manipuri because
of all of that. Snow storage is helping the way
Tacki catchment. That's increased to eighty six percent on average,
up from eighty three percent last week. Snow milk contributes
a lot. The wind farms blowing blowing forty one gigs.

(53:21):
How's your win farm forty one gigs? Are when farm youtiful? No,
I wouldn't have a clue what that means, but if
you say it the right way, we get uplifted by it. Now,
that brings me to the weirdest story I saw yesterday,
and it involves Gareth Kennan, who I've got a lot
of time for. He works for in for Metrics, and
he worked out where it's cheaper in the country to
rent than buy. And the answer is nowhere which gives

(53:43):
you an insight or know where you want to live.
And that's the controversial part of this comment, which gives
you an insight into why we're so desperate to own
houses in this country. We love owning houses. That will
never change. In the subsession with Archstome expansion to own
a home, we bleed to own a home. So the
more expensive parts of the country Queenstown, obviously, Tapo, Hastings, Auckland,

(54:04):
Central Otigo, Queenstown, it's three times as expensive to rent
than it is to three times expensive to own that
it is to rent. So where is it better cheaper
to own than rent? There are only a couple of places.
One of them is called Cara and one of them
is called Wairoa. Can I venture the slightly controversial view

(54:28):
that these are not places you necessarily want to live,
and even Gareth points this out. He says, unless you're
particularly confident in your long term employment and ability to
earn money. The fireplaces where buying is cheaper than renting Wairoa, Cara, Ruapehu,
Buller and Taua. And even then it's it's touch and go.

Speaker 15 (54:49):
Well, what's wrong with I.

Speaker 22 (54:50):
Thought that's where Matt Mitchell was always going to Wada.
I thought he loves it there.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Because they've had some troubles cleanned. Is why Mark in
his capacity as Emergency Management Minister, has been going to Waira.
So it is it is cheaper there. But so what
it says, essentially, there's nowhere in this country. Sorry, ten
minutes away from eight.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Mike cost gilbreakfast. It's with al Vida Retirement Communities news dogs.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Head been Mike. The weather's fabulous where I'm walking in Riba.
Janet absolutely of no use to us whatsoever. I mean,
have you've seen a hydro lake in Orea lately? Have
you got any snow melt? No, you haven't, Janus, And
you're not helping the power supply. And unless you're not
helping the power supply, we're not interested. Step it away
from it. So we get a look today what might
be the future of transports being developed quietly in christ
Uage over the past five years. Whoosh, I don't know

(55:38):
that were that sort of emphasis. Whish it's a mix
of ride hailing and urban gondola anyway. The CEO is
doctor Chris Ellington, who has well us. Chris very good
morning to you. Hey, good mind make it's a lot,
it's a lot of it's a lot of cable. You
don't like, you don't like the anyway, there's a lot
of cable, isn't it. I mean we're we're in Christ.
You to know you're starting out in Queen Done. Where

(56:00):
in Christ would you envisage it going from? And two?

Speaker 12 (56:04):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (56:04):
I know definitely. So we're we credit washed to connect
key locations to key locations to things like from the
airports downtown or connecting Takaha a new sports stadium down
to the sports and entertainment area around around the Avon River,
or connecting connecting hotels the hospitals to remote car parks.
Those are the sort of key connections we're looking to create.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Does it get to a point where it's two complicated
cable wise, No, because we're.

Speaker 18 (56:30):
Working on really simple infrastructures. We took a real first
principle to approach and break it down to keep the
infrastructure really simple, really cheap and cost effective with low maintenance,
and then put smart vehicles moving on that simple infrastructure.
So long cable spans about one hundred and fifty meters,
so there's mineral towers and then rail is to be
able to navigate around through the complicated urban environment that

(56:51):
have to sit an urban environment and give you a
great experience when you're on it.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
And the cost per meter versus an uber versus a tram,
versus a bus versus a train, So the.

Speaker 18 (57:01):
Cost to install it's around about five million dollars a
kilometer to install, depending on the complexity of the network
in him and the little stations you put. Compare that
to a road in an urban space, you're around about
twenty million a kilometer to build a road, and I
think light rail and Auckland was north of one hundred
million to kilometer. It's a really cost effective re infrastructure
to install.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
And the administration of getting it ticked off is that
easy or harder?

Speaker 18 (57:24):
Or that's actually not too bad? I mean sort of
works for all the legislations, does everyone. But because we're
operating above the land and in the year rights, we've
worked really closely with Locker Katahi and the Ministry of
Transport and we have security of rights for the project
we're putting down in Quenstown to operate above that space,
and we is actually quite the legislation to allow things

(57:46):
like this to work in the existing roading corridors.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
How does it fit in with Amazon delivering pizzas by drone.

Speaker 18 (57:52):
Well, the thing with delivering drones or delivering robots is
the robots still have to get close enough to your
house to be able to deliver your packages. And the
way most of Amazon systems work and others as well
have a big distribution network are hub by the epport,
I mean smaller ones located around the city. So they've
still got to get pass us from the big ones
the small ones. And that's where watching can work as well.
Get those delivery vans off the road, moving things closer

(58:15):
to the smaller distribution thinkers, freeing up room on the
road for more youth from you and Meeter do a
daily commute.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Give me a date when you can come on this
program and say it's working. It's the jump on board.

Speaker 18 (58:28):
So the technology is working. We've got there working at
quarter scale again and our at top suit of tystem
Or they're actually here in crash Hitch and then we
early next year we'll be doing shovels in the ground
and in Queen's Down to build the first pilot projects
that should should be ritable by twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Why is it top secret?

Speaker 18 (58:46):
We're working with a very large US corporate to help
them solve some issues on their corporate campuses where they're
trying to move one hundred thousand people around emphasis every day. No,
not going. They've got some other issues of viewers.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
I just good luck, Chris. I appreciate its time very much.
Good to talk to you, doctor Chris Ellington. It is
I think he was coming to us from coming to
us from his top secret headquarters. The old gondola. They
go up to fifty kilometers an hour, by the way.
I will come back to this later. If somebody works
at NIB, who are an insurance company, can you answer

(59:20):
the bloody phone. We've been trying to ring you for
weeks and then when we can't get on to you,
we've emailed you twice. You have an email back. You're
not answering your phone. Why are you so bloody hopeless?

Speaker 22 (59:33):
This is just me talking ABO because you keep going
them instead of an IB.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Well, NIB, in IB whatever it is. Answer your phone anyway,
news for you, and then we'll get into the politics
of the week.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
It's obviously not hard to convince somebody to record an
album these days. Alexander James O'Connor, who's better known as
Rex Orange County. It was quite a cool name. He's
twenty six. He is you'll be surprised to learn, melancholic
and introspective, and they're calling him a gen z. Randy Newman,
and I can tell you I knew Randy Newman, and

(01:00:39):
you know Randy Newman. To paraphrase, I'm going to write
it down. It's a lot of tracks. There's too many
tracks for this, sixteen tracks and fifty two minutes of
toe tapping fun. It is eight minutes past eight for

(01:01:00):
Politics Wednesday, Mark Mintell, Jimmy Anderson, very good morning to you.
Good morning right now. A couple of quick ones. Actually,
didn't I ask you this without being too disresponded. Actually
I'm not being disrespectable to anyone. So I'm watching you
guys in Parliament yesterday. You're paying respects to the Maury King. Fabulous,
that's what Parliament does. Why then does the whole day
have to stop?

Speaker 10 (01:01:21):
I just can't out of a mark of respect, like
it's a I guess it's a it's sort of customary
really when a significant person passes away that you do
those do those commmentary speeches and then and then then
we're durne the day. So it's usually a mark of respect.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Is that it's like me going to a funeral at
ten o'clock in the morning and then going wrong. Well,
that's me done for the day. Then I'll go home.
I mean, it doesn't mean you don't respect the person
and you haven't laid down your mark, or you can
get on with life, can't you.

Speaker 10 (01:01:49):
I would have been frying to keep on working. Yeah,
I would have been good with that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
There'll be rights.

Speaker 23 (01:01:55):
Well, we did keep on working. It's just obviously we
went in the House and personally just week on legislation.
But I think the other thing too much is that
this is what has always happened. The last the House
rose as well, so that just following protocol.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Hey, is it true that you supported David Seymour and
cabinet the other day of the treaty Principal's bill.

Speaker 23 (01:02:21):
Nice try.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Now let me get so you for Actually, Ginny Wellington,
are you like Greg O'Connor and he likes to swim
and a bit of pool in the harbor? What's that about?

Speaker 10 (01:02:34):
Well, the hat River is good enough for me.

Speaker 13 (01:02:36):
Thanks.

Speaker 10 (01:02:37):
No, I wouldn't go in the harbor. That's always a
bit murky. Yeah, the oriental bait can be not bad
if at summertime. But check the warnings exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Well, he's trying to I mean, good on for trying
to spreak the place. But do you believe is he
a well known swimmer? Is he regularly in the harbor?

Speaker 14 (01:02:53):
Is it?

Speaker 10 (01:02:55):
I haven't seen him personally.

Speaker 19 (01:02:58):
He's good at rugby.

Speaker 10 (01:02:59):
He still does rugby like Mark does.

Speaker 18 (01:03:00):
They both look like they're nearly going to die into
the game, but they.

Speaker 21 (01:03:05):
Yeah, he's pretty active.

Speaker 10 (01:03:06):
Hee.

Speaker 18 (01:03:07):
He's done coast to coast as well.

Speaker 15 (01:03:08):
I think.

Speaker 23 (01:03:08):
Actually, okay, he can swim when he's a type police
officer and when he went through college you would have
had to to the bottom of the pool and retrieved
the bricks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
I'm sure we can all die to the bottom of
the pool and retree for brick mark not that hard.
That's that's different between swimming in Wellington harbor. Well Jenny,
what's your view of Wellington as a as a as
a local MP? Is it in trouble? Forget the politics
for a moment. Is it in trouble?

Speaker 10 (01:03:36):
When you see businesses like Pindro have been sort of
a Wellington legion thirty eight years trading when they close down,
that's that's a real sign that things are in trouble.
So look, part of it is the cuts of the
public service that's definitely hit the you know, the I
guess what's the word, like I said, of the vibe
and Wellington paper are down and I think on top

(01:03:56):
of that economic conditions has contributed as well. So yeah,
coming into this morning that the new cars on the
road just as slowing down, a general feeling of a
bit of statonation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Is there something for both of you given you were
and you were in Parliament as well, given government, Jinny,
but you Mark as well? Is there something going wrong
with the public service in Wellington that there's too many
of them at home and they need to be back downtown?

Speaker 15 (01:04:19):
Well? I think.

Speaker 23 (01:04:23):
No, I think that. Well, actually, when you look at
what the owner of the cafes that they closed. When
he was asked about he said, the big problem that
we've really noticed over the last few years is that
people are working from home, and of course the cycle
ways have been a mess of disruption for us for
customers getting to our business.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
So I just wonder, is what you're saying, is what
everyone's saying. It's a perfect storm. So by the time
you got the cycle ways and the busways and the
construction and the people working from home and the layoffs
and the economy, it's no wonder they.

Speaker 10 (01:04:51):
Are with The people don't have that extra money in
their pockets. So nack Mail's on the Wellington Show is
in the hospitality, he'll know really well that it's really
tough for people with that extra money to come out
and spend it in a restaurant or a cafe. They're
keeping that money to pay for their bills and to
pay for their groceries, and that directly impacts on the
Wellington economy. On top of that, we've had a number

(01:05:12):
of people laid off, So I think those two things
combined have been a big reason why there's been a
down team.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Actually, before I forget Ginny is it true that you
ring Nick Mills in the morning as Tinia from her
tire Ti or is that just a rumor?

Speaker 10 (01:05:25):
I'd be Sheryl from the heart.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
More in a moment, Ginny Anderson, Mark Mitchell thirteen Past.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
The Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Cowed
by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
It be caught a past eight. It's Politics Wednesday, Ginny Anderson,
Mark Mitchell with us as regards, and we ask you
too to have a look at it. Mark, what do
you make of the TikTok of the Ministry of Education.
So there's a picture of a dolphin and a rainbow
and some clear water, and it just says go to school.

Speaker 10 (01:05:58):
It plays kind of a symphon on and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
It plays lovely music. Who's paying for that? What budget
would it come out of? And why didn't you guys
in looking for savings get them and tell them to
stop spending money for no particular purpose. Or do you
argue Mark that this is well spent money when suddenly
kids have turned up to school.

Speaker 23 (01:06:16):
Well, it sounds like it's going viral, but you sent
it to the wrong person. I couldn't even look at
it because I don't even tick. But look, I think
that the problem was kids weren't going to school under
previous government. We've got to give the obviously trying, they're
obviously trying a few invent of out of the box techniques.
You know, it's obviously going viral. People are watching it.

Speaker 18 (01:06:41):
They're watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Are you a bit of a boomer? Mark saying it's
going viral when you haven't even got access to and
he just made its going viral up because everyone says
it goes viral.

Speaker 18 (01:06:54):
Open this thing on I TikTok.

Speaker 10 (01:06:56):
So I found a young person and got them to
open it because I'd the same thing. So I found
someone and they explained to me that this is a trend.
So it's that picture with any statement with that song
right as a trend currently.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
That you would look at that, ginny and did you
a young person give you the information that that they
would then be propelled to go to school.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
No.

Speaker 10 (01:07:19):
We scrolled out and looked at all the kids who
were laughing at Christopher Luxe and the comments saying I'm
not at school.

Speaker 13 (01:07:25):
That was.

Speaker 18 (01:07:28):
So there were a lot of comedies for kids who
got it but.

Speaker 9 (01:07:30):
Didn't go to tell.

Speaker 23 (01:07:32):
Of course, the serious side to it is that we
got to get our kids correct.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Yes, I will hardily agree with that, and to be fair,
although I was a copywriter for a number of years
and in the creative department, coming up with a picture
of a dolphin and a rainbow to get them to
school wouldn't have been one of my first thoughts. But
there you go. Now I r d ginny the business
of them passing information on to our information on to

(01:07:56):
social media companies so they can better target tizing. Is
that fair in your view or not?

Speaker 10 (01:08:03):
Probably not, And there's probably some privacy issues in there.
We're dealing with a bill right now Justice Committee around privacy.
So the general privacy rule is when you give your
information for a purpose, that can only be used for
the purpose you gave it for unless you can see otherwise.
So there would be some privacy rule issues around that,
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
So if they if they leapt over something, they shouldn't
have leapt over Mark in that sense, given they've already
handed that information.

Speaker 15 (01:08:27):
Though to be.

Speaker 23 (01:08:28):
Honestly, I'm not aware or across at all. That would
be Simon Watts as the minister. But look, I do
know this very strict rules around how people's private information
is handled so and if there is an issue that's
been raised with someone, I'm sure he's across it all right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Are you going to do something about it?

Speaker 14 (01:08:46):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
If they have breached in someone, because because the point,
the main point being I have to give that information
to that company. I don't want to, but I have to,
and therefore they should be guarding that, shouldn't they bill
They can only.

Speaker 16 (01:09:00):
Who is it.

Speaker 10 (01:09:00):
They can only use it for the purpose that you've
given it to them for. That's the general rule.

Speaker 23 (01:09:06):
And I think that theresienm breach or they haven't handled information.
Probably your wite expectations that Simon would of course so
catched on that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
We'll have to call Simon Watts social media in general,
seeing you're talking about committees and stuff. Jenny are Australia
across the Tasman of announced legislation. It won't work, but
they're going to ban kids under sixteen from accessing social media.
Could we look at that in this country? Would there
be any interest in looking at that in this country?
Is it even remotely possible?

Speaker 10 (01:09:30):
Do you think it's going to be incredibly difficult to police?
And a lot of that is getting in the space
of pearance as well. So parents still have a role
to determine what their kids are seeing, and I think
the state getting involved and that too closely is going
to be incredibly difficult to try and enforce.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Mark the Windstone story, the jobs lost in the center
of the North Island, where does that blame lies? That
just an industry that's in trouble? Is that the power
business that's bugging in this country? Is it the economy?

Speaker 18 (01:09:59):
What is it?

Speaker 23 (01:10:00):
It sounds like a combination. I mean, obviously the you know,
the electricity price is affected, there's no doubt about that.
But I just I was listening to the show earlier.
I think you made absolutely the best point, and that
is the company itself needs to front up and explain
actually what's happened.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
That's brilliant cool, you know.

Speaker 23 (01:10:21):
I just think that that's the only way that we're
going to get absolute clarity on why that. Obviously, it's
awful for the people that have lost their jobs. You
know that the area has been hit hard over recent years.
The good news is we're starting to see inflation coming down,
come down, We're starting to see interest rates come down,
the confidence starting to come back, and the economy will
stick it up to get going, I hope.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
So, speaking of which, Jinny Chris Hopkins and this idea
that we need some CGT or some wealth text and
you guys are going to go to twenty six with something.
Do you think New Zealand does hand on heart really
want a conversation about being taxed even more?

Speaker 10 (01:10:57):
I think New Zealanders do want to talk about the
fact we have a problem with it tech system, that
we've got an aging population and you can't keep cutting
stuff worth still being able to provide the same levaw
of services. That is a bird problem and we need
to do something about it. So yep, I think New
Zealanders are ready for conversation about what our tech space is,
what we want to do as a country.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Good on, You're nice to see you both, Ginny Anderson,
Mark Mitchell and if anybody sees Greg O'Connor in the harbor,
there's a prize for the first photo that arrives at
at our office.

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We're onto it, there being Education ministry are so with it.

(01:12:46):
It's incredible. So the Symphony dolphin meme has been all
over TikTok for ages and users post the images and
the videos of the dolphin set to the tune of
the song. The song was a twenty seventeen hit by
Clean Bandit featuring Zara Larson. It began a TikToker called

(01:13:06):
errortet herotet highertet erraortet.

Speaker 22 (01:13:11):
Posters a bit that's not pronounced urotate could be.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Posted a video of a vibrant dolphin leaping out of
the water while the upbeat chorus Larsen Symphony plays in
the background. Instead of a motivational message, the overlay read
I'm depressed and that went off. That went, as Mark
Mitchell would say, that went viral, And so then after
the success of the video, Urotet posted some more content

(01:13:38):
captions like I have social anxiety, I love alcohol, and
I self sabotage everything, And as Mike says, that went
viral as well. So the memes spread and other techtok
users joined in.

Speaker 22 (01:13:53):
Yeah, I like the one who says life when that
one person shuts the hell.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Up exactly, I would you for one single beer. It's
my first favorite.

Speaker 22 (01:14:05):
I quite the one where one news had just put
I'm a lesbian.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
So the ministry or the cool cats at the Ministry,
they thought, we're on. Here, we're on. And then the
boomers from ZIDB came along and went, what helped me
with dolphins? We've done that, as we've done with dolphins.
Mark said it'll go viral and so the next thing
you know, you got it all explain to you. And

(01:14:32):
that's how the show works news for you. In a
couple of moments, News Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. The
Mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, your local experts
across residential, commercial and rural news Talks d B.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
If youve us a bit on Gregor Connas a hurry
MP out of Wellington, he's busy trying to defend Wellington's vibrancy.
He regularly swims in the Harbor's and we got the
insight from Mark and Jinny that he's quite the athlete.
Obviously he'd did somebody said he'd run somewhere and somebody
said he played the rugby he's unbothered by pollution or

(01:15:17):
sewage warnings. So I'm wondering if he's leaping over the
boundaries of responsibility there. Because I think it's a local MP.
I think you've got to adhere to at least in
some way shape or form sewage warnings. If you're going
to be an MP and you see a sewage warning
sign and you go, oh, well, I'm Greg O'Connor, I
don't worry about those, then that's going to send a
message around the wider community. And when people get ill,

(01:15:40):
then there's someday, oh Greg, that's because Greg. We all
swam in the harbor. Because Greg told us to rejected
the notion that Wellington was dying, he would happen to
be holiday there. I don't think that's true. I don't
think anybody holidays voluntarily in Wellington. It's nothing wrong with
living there. I lived there for ten years, but I
don't know anybody at a people who go to visit

(01:16:01):
family members. So you're going, we're off to see Aunt Daisy,
and you go where's aunt Daisy? Libs go, oh, she's
got a nice house in Thornton. So there, But you're
not going to Wellington. You're going to Aunt Daisy's place.
No one ever went to I'm going to Wellington because
of Scorching Bay, or because there's a cool ice cream
and Mirima or am I wrong? Twenty two to.

Speaker 6 (01:16:21):
Nine International Correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
You're in the business out of Australia Wensday Morning Care
and Gilbert Morning to you morning mate. Now the Prime
Minister drafting the legislation, he thinks sixteen or thereabouts, and
you're going to ban every Australian kid from being on
social media. How many people could you line up right here,
right now that believe that that's actually going to be
a workable thing.

Speaker 14 (01:16:47):
Yeah, that said that one of the questions. But I
think what we're seeing, Mike is a groundswell of support
from families and parents. Now that technically might be an ishoot,
but I think what the argument is from those like
Peter malanowskis the South Australian Premiere, is that this is
going to empower parents that once you get one, two

(01:17:12):
three a group saying okay, your kids, I'm sorry, you
can't have social media to this age and then gradually
it shifts the community discourse as well. So you've got
the technical question. Yes, some kids will get around it
like they do with smoking or drinking alcohol, but it
doesn't mean you shouldn't have the benchmark or the rule.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Okay, So what's the timeline on this whens that get
up and passed.

Speaker 14 (01:17:39):
Well, they're going to legislate by the end of this year,
and there's bipartisan support to do it. It looks like
it probably will come in at the age of sixteen.
And quite frankly, there are various other questions that need
to be answered. As you said, what's the age verification,
how are they going to do it, facial technology or what.

(01:18:00):
But either way, this is going to happen, and it's
going to happen. Legislation to be introduced to Prime Minister,
promised by the end of the year, and with both
sides of the major parties agreeing anyway, it's hard to
see why it won't be delivered.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
And do we have the detail on the legislation. In
other words, if they settle on sixteen, if you're fifteen
years old, you will not be legally allowed to be
on TikTok or Facebook or Snapchat or anywhere.

Speaker 14 (01:18:27):
We haven't seen the legislation yet. They're still doing They've
actually just kicked off the process for an age verification trial,
so over the next month or so, it is all
being done very quickly. There are legal questions as well.
There are a number of states in the US that
have tried it. They're in the courts, big Tech taking
them on. But with an election coming up, Mike, I

(01:18:51):
don't think this is a problem politically. I think the
government's more than happy to have a fight with big tech.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
And having said that, does that in any way, shape
or form, or will it dubtail in with the ongoing
conversations you're having with big tech over them taking content
and then putting it online and they might like to
pay a little bit of money for that, or are
these completely separate subjects, in other words, the relationship between
big tech and the government.

Speaker 14 (01:19:13):
They're meant to be They're meant to be separate. But
I'm sure they will dovetail, and who knows, maybe there's
something where they can compromise on one and get something
get them to bend on the other. But I haven't
heard any suggestion that Big Tech's willing to go back
and start paying for the news that they use. And
to be honest, I think there is a view that

(01:19:34):
they take. They take the Mickey Mike. They're basically it's
not like the wild West that they're not treated like publishers.
They don't have the same rules in terms of defamation.
They make money on advertising that they don't even see.
They just throw it up, throw it up online. So
I think there's a view in the community as well

(01:19:56):
that enough's enough and it's time to start raining them in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
All right, there we got agecre reform. How long has
this been in the offing?

Speaker 14 (01:20:04):
Oh for years? In fact, we had a Royal Commission
over two years ago now which said they needed to
be urgent action, urgent action. Two and a bit years later,
we've seen no deal done and I'm not convinced there
will be a compromise. Basically, our age care sector with
a growing aging population, the demographic is shifting. There needs

(01:20:28):
to be reform. But as I said, we've got an
election coming up. The government's got a five hundred page bill.
I'm just not sure the coalition the opposition will give
them a win here. As much as we desperately need it, and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Then we got the details and interesting eclectic old. I mean,
at least you get them. The King and the Queen,
we don't get them. They dropped down part of the
league off before they head off to Samoa. I'm the
going the usual things, but the barbecue is interesting, I thought.

Speaker 14 (01:20:56):
Yeah, that's right, the barbecue meeting community leaders, those that
volunteer and pioneers in cancer research and so on. So yeah,
it looks like they're going to pack it in in
two days. Disappointing they're not visiting your beautiful part of
the world. It's one of my favorite places to come

(01:21:16):
and holiday where I'll be in December again this year.
But anyway, I think the King's missing a trick there.
But here for two days Canberra and Sydney's is on
their schedule exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Hey, listen, you're normally on in the afternoon on Sky
when this debate's on. Is it going to do? You're
carrying it live today? What would your assessment be of
the interest by the average Australian in the one debate
and to the race in America?

Speaker 14 (01:21:38):
It's huge and definitely in Parliament. Parliament sitting this week,
we're running it in full. We've got analysis off the
back of it as well, and I just think it's
got everyone I'm talking to in the Australian Parliament is
super engaged because it affects us all whoever wins in
that first week of November in the presidential race, that

(01:21:59):
this is going to have huge applications for our region
as well.

Speaker 23 (01:22:03):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Exactly good to see, mate, we'll catch up Friday. Apreciate
it very much. Kieran Gilbert, who is the chief news
anchor at Sky News, in the details of King and
the Queen six days in Australia sixteenth to Australia for
Charles trip. That is three days of events in Sydney
and Canberra. They'll arrive Friday, October eighteenth, fly at the
following Wednesday where they head to the Choggham meeting in

(01:22:23):
Samoa first by reigning Monarch. Who's visit by reigning Monarch
since Elizabeth was there in Brisbane and Melbourne back in
twenty eleven. Barbecue with every day Australians. I mean, what
on earth does that mean? And really do you think
you would round up your average every day Australian and
put them in front of a barbecue and the King
I think not the layer wreath at the Australian War Memorial,

(01:22:45):
visit the Australian Botanic Gardens. They'll visit the CSIRO where
the scientists are working on dealing with the impact of
bushfires in Australia. They'll conduct a fleet review of the
Royal Australian Navy. So that's the itinerary that's been released
This morning A forty.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
A'd be by from nine just before we leave Australia.
There's a poll out. The other angsty thing that got
going apart from social media at the moment is advertising
gambling or gambling advertising fifty one percent or in favor
of a total band. So the decision they can't quite
get across yet. Do they ban it completely or the
government favors or seems to favor a partial ban. Fifty

(01:23:27):
one percent of the poll say there's total ban. Cabinets
currently delayed that decision because it's a lot of sporting codes,
very upset media companies, very upset gaming sites, very upset.
So the partial ban is what they think they want.
Thirty two percent in favor of limiting the ads to
to every hour. Fifty percent of Labor voters want a
total ban, forty six percent of Coalition want a total ban.

(01:23:50):
Marginal electorates fifty four percent of voters favor the tougher option.
So that's something to think about, Mike. I'm going to
Wellington for WOW and the AB's on the weekend. That's
for a v Yes. See, we get a lot of that.
I mean lots. It doesn't matter where you go if
you go for an event, it doesn't matter where it is.
You're going for the event, not the place, aren't you. Mike.
Our second son, fifteen, managed to keep them off all

(01:24:10):
social media after seeing the impact it had on our eldest,
who also was warned against it, and he managed to
avoid all the sexting, drama, bullying, etc. That's plagued others
this year at his group in school. Luckily, his prem
sports team coach also encourages families to do this for
the player's health and performance. You'd be one of the
few if you've been successfully managing to keep a teenager

(01:24:31):
off social media, I'm afraid to tell you, which is
ironic because Snapchat via their publicity department, have just released
the information that there are over one point five million
of us every month active on Snapchat, so ninety five
percent of key Wes thirteen to twenty four. So at
the bottom end of that the very people Albanez is
allegedly going to stop from getting onto Snapchat at all,

(01:24:53):
but ninety five percent of people in that age group
are active on Snapchat, seventy five percent of people thirteen
to thirty four. Over fifty percent of monthly active users
in this country are twenty five or older. They're opening
the people are on Snapchat. They're opening on average Snapchat
thirty five times a day. I mean, come on, honestly,

(01:25:16):
have you got nothing better to do thirty five times
a day?

Speaker 22 (01:25:21):
Don't they know they should be on a stationary bike
watching Sky News Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
PRIs you say that like that's insulting Glen. More than
fifty five percent of Kiwi Snapchat is also interact with
Snapchat's augmented reality lenses. Is that a thing? I don't
even know what that is, but you're interacting with them
thirty five times a day now, nib in ib Let

(01:25:48):
me come back to this in a moment night Away
from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real estate news dog zib.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Get Away from nine year back to nerbn ib. So
we've got something with them, some insurance with them. We
wanted to contact them. Not possible, no pussibla. So Cadie's
on the phone the other day for an hour, like
an hour, just on the speaker, and we're appreciate your call.
We're busy at the most cetera, et cetera. So I
say hang up. So she doesn't know that she's done

(01:26:16):
it three or four times now, literally, no one for
a inaccessible week now, literally no one has answered the phone,
not one person in over a week. And so we
emailed them and say, can please somebody respond to our email?
Please respond to our email? Hello? Is there anyone there?
Can someone please respond to our email? So literally, no
as come back to us. No one's come back to us,
and no one's answer. O. Fine. My point just generally,

(01:26:37):
how long do you wish to engage with the company
that you want to give them money? I guarantee if
we didn't give them any money, they'd be really quick
to contact you. How long do you want to engage
with the company before you go, you know what, bugger off.
And even in telling them to bugger off, how do
you know you ever got through? Like do we email
them to bugger off?

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
Do?

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
There's no message to leave, There's no human interaction. It's
the weirdest thing in the whole wide world. So I
banged on the other day about Star Insurance because Star
Insurance is another company would do with a fantastic ring
ring Hello, real people, down to the phone. They solve
your problem just like that, just like the olden days,
whereas they're completely and utterly useless.

Speaker 22 (01:27:10):
They're essentially ghosting you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
That's exactly what they're doing. And I don't mind being ghosted.
I don't care. I'll cancel my policy and that will
be that. But it's just the weirdest thing. Five minutes
away from night.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
The NFL's underway. We love the NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Cleveland's one of those one of the few cities these days.
Actually that's got a dedicated mainstream radio show for sports
talk card, the Ken Carmen Show. It's on the Fan,
that's what the station's called The Fan Ken's. He was
a frequent hater of a guy called Baker Mayfield, who
was a quarterback, and they traded Baker Mayfield. They got
rid of them. They sent him to the Buccaneers. But
in round one, opening of the season, Baker had a

(01:27:47):
blinder for the Buccaneers. But Deshaun Watson, who they paid
about eight squillion dollars for and then he sort of
couldn't get to the field last season. Now he started
on the field for the first time in ages, he
turns out to be useless. So this is the very
first call they got to be in the season.

Speaker 18 (01:28:00):
Two numbers, you'll figure him out.

Speaker 15 (01:28:03):
Uh, forty two point nine, one forty four.

Speaker 23 (01:28:08):
What is all this?

Speaker 13 (01:28:11):
Watson's quarterback rating, Mayfield's quarterback.

Speaker 20 (01:28:15):
R christ I can't do this for one more second.
The first call of the box, we're gonna do this,
the very first call of the box.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
We're gonna do this. No, I know what his quarterback
rating was.

Speaker 14 (01:28:30):
I know that he was good.

Speaker 20 (01:28:31):
Guys, I'm not doing it right out of the damn box.
Can I have a little bit of time before we
do this? Can I have a little bit of time
that he ain't coming home, He ain't coming back only
the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
That's it.

Speaker 20 (01:28:42):
He had a great day down there. Congratulations on all
his success.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
I can't undo the trade.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
I can undo it, says so Radia hit in Cleveland.
Some good good sha I.

Speaker 22 (01:28:54):
Think Abos is accusing us of getting loose today.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Shaustly. The guy yesterday was so excited. Well, I was
so excited. This was New York and San Francisco. This
was Monday Night football. And Tom Brady, by the way,
made his debut. The other days there is the color
guy on Fox. He's all right without being brilliant. He's okay.
He was a better footballer than he is a commentator.
But anyway, Aaron Rodgers fronted up for the first time

(01:29:19):
since he went to the New York Jets because he
got injured famously last year and his team turned out
to be crap, which is a great shame because I
wanted better for them. Anyway, back Tomorrow Morning with Graham
Norton among others on the Mike Asking Breakfast, Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
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