Full Show Podcast: 13 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. Heather
Duplicicy Ellen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vita, Retirement, Communities,
Life Your Way, News togs Head b.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, good morning and welcome coming up today. Do you
remember how the Solicitor General told the prosecutors to think careful,
carefully before prosecuting criminals were mardy She has now rewritten
that advice completely changed. We're going to have a chat
to her after seven acc levies are going up and
while it's going to hurt for the old motorcyclists, and
there's also a review we'll get you across that looks
like you're gonna be able to draw down your key.
We savor to put the money into your business as well.

(00:37):
The Minister on that. And we've got Tim and Carey
rapping the week that was after eight and we'll get
you to the States.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
And Ossie Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well, it looks like we
were never really in with a chance were we to
get a second team alongside the Warriors into the NRL,
because it was always going to go to PNG, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
It was always going to go to P and G
because it wasn't actually a rugby league decision in the end,
it was a political decision we now find out, turns out,
and they've been pre pready explicit about this. They are
giving P and G the NRL team to keep P
and G out of military and security deals with China,
and if P and G signs any kind of deal
like that with China then they will automatically lose the team.
And that also goes some way to explaining why the

(01:14):
Aussie government is giving them six hundred million dollars to
fund the team. Now, obviously this is really great for
regional geopolitical maneuverings to cut China's lunch, but I'm not
sure this is going to be good for the NRL
at all, because do you actually think this team is
going to be any good? I mean, think about the
logistics of this. Who's going to want to join a
team based in Port Moresby. It's got one of the
highest crime rates in the world. Probably not a lot

(01:35):
of players. Definitely no players with families, I would say,
which is probably why this team is getting a tax
exemption so the players can keep more of their pay packets,
thereby making it more attractive for them to join the team.
It's definitely why the team is building a gated compound
for their players. So are the fans. I mean, if
they've got away games in PNG, the fans are ever
going to travel there to watch the games? Are the

(01:56):
fans even gonna bother watching the games? On tally? If
this team's games perform at the level that it is expected,
remains to be seen. Obviously you never know. Miracles can happen,
but you could probably hazard a guess and how this
is going to play out. So sure, absolutely smart political
move to cut China's lunch. But the NRAL does not
exist to cut China's lunch, does it. It exists for
the fans to enjoy a game of footy, and I

(02:17):
don't know that you can say that this decision is
great for the fans.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
News of the world in ninety seconds, Well, Blincoln will
wing his way to Turkey.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Is part of trying to make Syria be peaceful going forward.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
These are principles that would be designed to reflect the needs,
the aspirations, the will of the Syrian people, not to
dictate what they should do, but to make sure that
they have the opportunity to follow their on path.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Meanwhile, the head of the interim government has been rifling
through assides financial records and turns out Syria is financially screwed.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
What we want to happen is for these accounts to
be frozen, for all the money to go back to
the Syrian people.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
We wanted to go back to the original owners.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
It doesn't own that money and it's not the result
of his hard work.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
And over in the UK there are a lot of
very intense questions right now about how the system let
down young Sarah Sharif.

Speaker 8 (03:10):
I think we're a system that's broken. It's underfunded. Social
workers are dealing with such massive pressure every day, massive
case lords, and it's not realistic.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
And the Prime Minister's being asked about the smacking laws
and the wake of the murder because the UK allows
it when it mounts to reasonable punishment.

Speaker 9 (03:30):
I don't think that we should allow ourselves to think
that whatever the rules on smacking are, that that's got
anything to do with this case. This is about violence,
it's about abuse, it's about making sure there's protection and
safeguards for children.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Trump has rung the bell after being named Times Person
in the Year for the second time.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
I do want to thank Time magazine. I've been on
the cover many times.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
I don't know who's the record, but I can only
probably talk well about twenty five percent of the covers.

Speaker 10 (03:58):
Twenty five percent a great The others are just sort
of hired. But it's been an honor.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
But of course it comes with an interview, and that
hasn't gone over well.

Speaker 11 (04:06):
Donald Trump said that he's open to rethinking childhood requires
of vaccines, which would be a major health shift in
the United States, and he also linked vaccines to autism,
which isn't supported by the scientific evidence.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
And finally, for all u Guinness World Record enthusiasts, one
of the most popular records to be attempted has been canned.
This is the world's longest cast. It's no longer going
to be a thing for GWR. They said that because
the current record is so long, it was actually becoming
dangerous for people to attempt it because of exhaustion and
in some instance there's a sleep deprivation like psychosis. The

(04:42):
official record. The current record stands at fifty eight hours
and thirty five minutess, well over a couple of days,
and is unlikely now to be officially beaten. And that
is your news of the world in ninety seconds. Now
over in the States, US President Joe Biden has has
done his pardons and his clemency and stuff like that.
He's part in thirty nine Americans convicted of no nonviolent

(05:03):
crimes and commuted the sentences of nearly fifteen hundred other people.
That is the largest single day active clemency, which is
surprising coming from Joe Biden because actually up to now
he's been on the light side historically with handing out
the old pardons. But maybe, I mean probably doesn't take
a genius to figure out why he might be doing this.
Now that he's done Hunter handed out the freebe to

(05:25):
Hunter may have felt that he needs to hand out
the freebie a little bit more freely to others as well.
Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
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Speaker 2 (05:38):
Heather, a friend of mine, worked NP and G as
a chef, and whenever he left their compound, he was
escorted by an armed guard with an MP five machine
gun who was warranted to fire at anyone that approached,
and the guard was told that if he fires, he
can just walk away with no accountabilities completely nuts over
their Brent, thanks for that fifteen past six money and
the kalaher Jmi wealth is with us last day, Thai Andrew,

(06:01):
I'm very good this morning. We're both excited about the
end of the week. I'd imagine, I reckon, what are
you thinking about those electronic card transactions?

Speaker 7 (06:09):
Well, yeah, let's talk about spending, because the festive season
is also the spending season, and for many retails this year,
I've had a pretty tough year. They'll be looking forward
to a bit of a lifeline, as I said, of
what's been challenging years. So Stats New Zealand has released
electronic card transactions for November and we're looking constantly for
the sort of cliched green shoots and these numbers, the

(06:31):
headline number, it looks a little underwhelming. Digging into detail,
there are some bright spots. I think over all, though,
the data releases is tinged with just a little bit
of disappointment. So this is November data, September and October.
We sort of small games. We asked the question was
that a trend starting. We've had a small loss in

(06:52):
November though, so weak demand story still seems to be
reasonably relevant for the record total electronic card transactions fell
zero point one percent month or month.

Speaker 12 (07:03):
They're down one point one percent year on year.

Speaker 7 (07:06):
If we just dig down into what is the retail
card transactions, they were flat down two point three percent
year on year, and the core retail numbers inked out
a tiny little gain zero point one percent a year
and year they're down zero point nine percent, So I
think expectations were for a small lift.

Speaker 12 (07:24):
The thing is heather.

Speaker 7 (07:25):
If we are just these numbers for population growth, we'reds
them for inflation.

Speaker 12 (07:29):
Situation obviously looks worse. Just looking for those bright spots.

Speaker 7 (07:35):
Hospital hospitalities had a small lift, which is great, and
I would suggest that lower interest rates sort of feeding
into low mortgage payments. There's a bit of tax relief
in there, putting a little bit more disposable and committed
into people's pockets than they are heading out a little
bit more to eat. Hospitality spending is now lifted three
months in a row, so spending.

Speaker 12 (07:55):
There is up five percent in August. It's good. Non
retail spending fell one and a half percent.

Speaker 7 (07:59):
Which just so though generally that the squeeze on spending
hasn't really gone away. Look these numbers are also they include
all the Black Friday promotions, so that hasn't.

Speaker 12 (08:09):
Really kickstarted spending.

Speaker 7 (08:11):
But look, if you're a glass half full nature, if
we look past back past the last three months, that
does seem to be a little bit of an improving trend,
albeit of a mediocre strength. And I do think underlying
conditions are probably sort of coalescing next year to create
an environment in which spending should improve. So it will
get better, but it just might take a little bit

(08:32):
longer than we think.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, it's a bit of a tough one. A Now,
how do we explain what's going on with unemployment in Australia.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
Oh, now, this is it's an interesting because we've been
talking a bit about OZSIE this week and New Zealand
and Australia, different stuff happening. So their cash rate ours
is going down, there's the same stable. Now we're looking
at our unemployment rate is going up, but the OUSIE
unemployment rate is not going up, it's actually falling. So
unemployment here four point eight percent. Yesterday OZSI employment numbers

(08:59):
came out. They're unemployment rate has fallen from four percent
to three point nine so their employment growth bounds just
over thirty five and a half thousand, big jump in
full time employment.

Speaker 12 (09:09):
And remember we talked.

Speaker 7 (09:10):
This week also about they had that weak growth print
GDP number zero point eight percent that sort of sort
of maybe started the Reserve Bank of Australia thinking about
interest rate cuts. Well, now you've got this strong employment
number probably sort of offs that offsets that to some degree.
Three point nine percent unemployment rate actually puts to Australian
jobs market in a pretty strong position. Is one of

(09:33):
the developed world's stronger jobs markets. And what you're getting there, Heather,
you're getting a fair bit of strength coming from government
funded industries, so public service, healthcare, education, because that's another
big difference. The government over there is lifting spending. We're
probably going the other way. Now the Aussie market sort
of didn't. Financial markets didn't really wrack Ossie interest rates

(09:56):
up a little bit.

Speaker 12 (09:57):
But yeah, we're sort of moving at different trajectories at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Heather, there really are right, all right?

Speaker 7 (10:02):
Give us the numbers, I sure can. The dal Jones
is down seventeen points four to four thousand, one hundred
and thirty one. The sm P five hundred is down
twelve points zero point two percent. Six thousand and seventy one,
and the Nasdaq has just stipped below the twenty thousand
mark nineteen thousand, nine hundred and ninety as I look
at it, that'sero point two two percent lower. The forty

(10:24):
one hundred gain small game ten points over nine eight
three one one. The Nike was up one point two percent,
so quite a good day there. Thirty nine thousand, eight
hundred and forty nine Shanghai Composite also had a good
day point eight five percent game three four sixty one.
The close the OSSI sheer mark at the A six
two hundred foul point two eight percent eight three three
oer and the Enzex fifty lost half a percent yesterday.

(10:47):
Twelve thousand, six hundred and ninety two. Kiwi dollar is
still lurking around under fifty eight cents point five seven
eighty eight point nine oh sixty three against the Ossi
point fivey five oh six euro still weak gives the.

Speaker 12 (11:00):
Pound point four five five three.

Speaker 7 (11:02):
There Japanese yen eighty eight point zero four gold two
six hundred and eighty one US dollars and break crud
seventy two dollars and seventy six cents.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Good stuff Andrew, enjoy the rest of you your day
and also your weekend. That's Andrew kalihev Joomi Wealth. Look,
I don't know if this is going to work over
in Australia, but you've got to admire the Australian government
for continuing to just crack down on the old big
tech giants and see how far they can take this.
They are, as you already know, they're already forcing the
tech giants to pay for news that they use, and
they're forcing them to ban the under sixteen year olds

(11:34):
from social media. But now what they're doing as well
is they're forcing these big tech companies that record over
a certain amount of revenue in Australia. I think it's
two hundred and fifty million Australian dollars, they're forcing them
to pony up money even if they don't carry news.
So this is going to affect the likes of Google,
Techtok's owner Byte Dance, Facebook and Instagram's parent company Meta
and so it probably not x X doesn't make enough

(11:56):
money over in Australia. And clearly why they're doing that
is because these big tech guys have been wriggling out
of the previous deal where if you use the news,
you pay for it, because they just go, well, now
we just won't use any news. So now what the
Aussies are saying was well, okay, cool, if you don't
use the news, you pay for it. Be interesting to
see how it plays out. Six twenty two, The.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
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Speaker 12 (12:20):
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Speaker 2 (12:22):
By the way I should say on that business with
Biden's clemency and also what the hell is going on
with those drones flying over New Jersey. We're gonna have
Richard Arnold with us after half past six is twenty
five pass six at the minute.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
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Speaker 2 (12:38):
One of the biggest talk shows in the history of
the world, is getting an explosive docco series about it.
This is, of course, the well not necessarily of course,
I mean, but it is. It's the Cherries Springers though
if you remember, it started all the way back in
nineteen ninety two, ran for twenty seven seasons and actually
ran to almost four thousand episodes. It was the only
show to knock Oprah Winfrey off the top spot at

(13:00):
various times in its history. So now Netflix are doing
it behind the scenes, look at the drama and the controversies.

Speaker 13 (13:05):
I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize for everything
I've ever done.

Speaker 6 (13:10):
I have ruined the culture.

Speaker 14 (13:13):
At the beginning of nineteen ninety two, Jerry Springman was
coming to Chicago to launch a talk show.

Speaker 15 (13:19):
We were this little band of crazy people just trying
to survive the week.

Speaker 14 (13:26):
The bigger that show God, it raised questions about what
really went on backstage.

Speaker 16 (13:34):
The producers were coaching us on what to say and
how to act.

Speaker 14 (13:40):
This was the most vile and grotesque freak show that's
ever been on television.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
It's a television show.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
We will all survive it.

Speaker 16 (13:51):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
It's going to come out in two parts, and the
first is out on Netflix January seventh. So if you're
thinking what am I going to spend my summer holidays watching,
that's when I would commend you watch that. Sounds like
it's going to be great. Listen to if you just
to the back to the fairy debate that we've been
having yesterday. If you think that the four billion dollars
for the two mega fairies in the port's upgrade is
too much money, right, it's four bill Get a load

(14:13):
of this. In Norway, they are building what will be
the world's longest and deepest undersea tunnel. It will be
four lanes, it will run for twenty six k's and
they are going to spend on it eighty billion dollars.
So you take your four billion dollars and think about
how tight we're being in New Zealand. Eighty billion. To
be fair, they're rich and we're poor, but still eighty

(14:33):
billion dollars. And why because they're sick of the fairies.
Because the current route that they have to do is
like about one thousand k's or something like that. They've
got across seven different Fords and new seven different fairies,
and in the winter when the weather's bad, the fairies
don't run. So they're like, no, we don't want fairies anymore.
We are going to get ourselves a gigant tunnel. How
long is it twenty six k's you.

Speaker 17 (14:52):
See cook straight, it's only fifteen.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Well, there you go. We could do it if we
just had the money. Hey, Headline's next news Talks. They'd been.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
Never the breakfast show. You can trust?

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Can the Duple c Allen on the mic Hosking breakfast
with the range Rover villa designed to intrigue and use togs,
there'd be hea.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
The comparing New Zealand to Norway on a financial basis
is like comparing the All Blacks to the parliamentary rugby team,
which I think is probably fair from Connell, thanks very much.
Going to get you across the acc fees going up,
We'll have a chat to somebody after seven. Do that
shortly twenty three away from seven. He yourself. So it
looks like it's going to be possible soon to get
hold of your ki we saver money and then use

(15:35):
it obviously not just to invest in things you already can,
but now in a business as well. This is one
of the proposals from the government looking at ways to
free up local capital for investment in obviously productive businesses
but also in infrastructure. And the minister behind this is
the Commerce and Consumer Affairs Man Andrew Bailey.

Speaker 18 (15:50):
Morning, Andrew, good morning.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
What kind of businesses are we talking about here?

Speaker 13 (15:55):
Well, that'll be up to the discretion of qeys Fadden managers,
but also it might be that individuals you might be
able to say, look, I want to have a bigger
exposure to environmental assets, or I do like the idea
of investing in building schools, so that will be driven
by people as well as the managers.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Is this a case of you instructing the manager what
to do or can you draw it out of body yourself?

Speaker 16 (16:19):
No?

Speaker 13 (16:19):
No, this is what we're the bigger part of this
is what we're doing with the reforms is just to
give keep save providers the opportunity if they want to
invest in a wider class of investments, and at the moment,
many of them don't want to invest in unlisted assets
like private companies or infrastructure projects. So we've been working

(16:41):
through what and removing some of the impediments to that
to give them flexibility.

Speaker 18 (16:44):
If they choose to do it, that's good. If they don't,
that's up to them.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
All right, Okay, So it's not a case of me
being able to draw down on my key. We save
the funds and put it into a business that I
want to start up doing painting of houses.

Speaker 18 (16:56):
No, no, no, no, definitely not no.

Speaker 13 (16:59):
It's you when you choose your provider and you know
there's multiple keV saver for providers, you might know the
selection criter you might say to yourself as look, I
like to invest in environmental aspects or whatever it might be.
Is there a fund that offers that type of investment,
which is something that might involve investing in those types
of companies?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Which is that wise Andrew? Because I mean you're going
to get a whole bunch of people out there. I
think that sounds nice. I'm going to I'm going to
invest in some environmental stuff. Not always the wisest investment though, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (17:28):
But it's up to the keypy saver providers. So they
think that there's a class that they can invest in
and get a good return down exolve me. They'll be
measured on the return that they delivered to people like
you and I who invest in our keep saver. They've
got to make sure that they are competitive so that
they're not just going to blind the investment stuff. And
if they don't see that there's good types of assets

(17:51):
they want to invest in, they mon't do that.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, fair enough. Now listen on another subject altogether, What
did you make of the ComCom laying those criminal charges
against the supermarkets.

Speaker 13 (18:00):
Well, I've asked them to be a courageous litigator, and
obviously they are pursuing a range of actions. Obviously we're
a few of them, and I think it's good that
we've got a robust regulated out during the work.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Did you see the Federated Farmers guys have laid a
complaint with the ComCom about the banks and their climate
targets and so on.

Speaker 13 (18:23):
Yes, and of course you know that's one of the
reasons why we wanted the Select Committee to go through
and start talking about some of these issues. So obviously
that's subject to that process that Federated Farmers want to pursue,
but that's yet to be proved otherwise, one way or
the other. But it's good that we are having a

(18:43):
robust discussion around some of these aspects.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I mean, what they're alleging is that because these guys
have signed up to some sort of net zero climate
banking alliance or something like that, they're all acting like
a cartel. Now these are the banks because they're going
around saying to the gas stations, we're not going to
fund you past twenty thirty and there's no alternative because
the cartel together, have they got a case here? Is
this something that ComCom would look into?

Speaker 13 (19:04):
Look, I think it's more I think that there's issues
that have been raised, certainly in Select Committee about it.
I don't think that that particular case, I think might
be more illegal aspect rather than the ComCom.

Speaker 18 (19:18):
Issue, but.

Speaker 12 (19:20):
It is.

Speaker 13 (19:20):
Of course, banks have a choice. It's about getting the
right balance. And of course the espersion of their claim
is that they overly predominated their thinking around the c
and reducing climate. And again we've had the same comment
around the Reserve Bank.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, but do you know what, are they doing the
wrong thing because they are sort of tied by what
the Reserve Bank is requiring them to do on the
climate front, aren't they?

Speaker 13 (19:43):
Yes, And again that's been a point that's been raised.
Look at that's something that obviously it will work its
way through. I know some of the the ComCom and
its Banking report talked about some of the banking issues
and some of the motivations. We talked about capital adequacy ratios,
which is the way the amount of money that banks

(20:04):
can put towards certain classes of assets. So again that's
all part of the wider conversation. But I think they
will work through its process. But at the moment i've
seen them, I've seen the announcement that they've made.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
If you find out, Andrew, that the reason that the
banks are acting like this towards the gas stations is
because the Reserve Bank is forcing them with these climate
reportant requirements. Will you act to make the Reserve Bank
stop doing that?

Speaker 13 (20:27):
Well, it's Nicola Willis's jurisdiction, it's not mine. But I
think the wider point is is there have people become
overly focused and need for missing out parts of the
economy that are legitimate operations, but banks are choosing to
go down the roads so that are all work.

Speaker 12 (20:46):
It's way through.

Speaker 13 (20:47):
We want to make sure that the banking sector particularly
is banking the productive sector, businesses, you know, all those
types of things, and agricultural sector as well.

Speaker 18 (21:00):
And there's a number of.

Speaker 13 (21:01):
Reasons why that there's been quite a shift. The major
reason why why, it's been noted by the Commence Commissioners
that round the rules of lending that the bank has implied.
But of course the banks are taking a view that
they need to made environmental requirements and of course let's
causing problems in cases quite right.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Hey, Andrew, thanks very much, really appreciate you talking us
through it. Andrew Bailey comments and consumer Affairs mian is
to write, We're off to Richard Arnold next and I'll
get your cross. What's going on with a sec seventeen
away from seven.

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Speaker 2 (21:56):
Richard Arnold, US correspondents with US Morning Richard, Good morning here, right,
So what's the latest with these drones.

Speaker 10 (22:01):
It's bizarre, isn't it. Yeah, the Pentagon is shooting down
claims that a foreign mothership is behind this ongoing series
of drone sightings over New Jersey. These are not small drones.
These are car sized things which have been spotted scores
of times in recent days over businesses and military sites,
says one witness.

Speaker 12 (22:20):
I look at my left and I see two big drones.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
There were propeller driven going very slowly.

Speaker 10 (22:25):
So what's up. Homeland Security says it does not know
the source of these drone flights, and they were quizzed
about it on Capitol Hill with little effect.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
What is going on in New Jersey.

Speaker 13 (22:35):
We do not attribute that to an individual or a
group yet we're investigating, but I don't have an answer
of who's responsible for that.

Speaker 10 (22:43):
So that's led one local mayor, Mike Sally, to express
outright frustration that huge drones can be flying around and
no one knows what's behind it. One fellow who thinks
he does is Jeff Andrew, a New Jersey lawmaker, who says.

Speaker 11 (22:56):
Iran launched a mothership probably about a month ago that
contains these drones.

Speaker 10 (23:02):
He's given no evidence for that claim, while ascertain he
has a high level secret information source. The Pentagon repudiating
the claim, saying, through their representative Sabrinas Singh, on that accusation.

Speaker 11 (23:16):
There's no so called mothership launching drones towards the United States.

Speaker 10 (23:21):
While the New Jersey congressman is doubling down and asking
for flight restrictions over his state. Right now, the FAA,
the Aviation Administrations, and post flight bans over a military
weapons site and over the Trump National golf club in Bedminster.
All this reminiscent to me anyway, of the Chinese spy
balloons this time last year, and again pretty bizarre.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
He is really bizarre. How's has clemency gone down?

Speaker 10 (23:44):
It depends who you ask, I suppose, as with everything
political these days, President Biden intervening in the justice system
a couple of weeks after because he pardoned his son
Hunter on gun position, tax evasion counts after saying he
would never do so. So now he's commuted the prison
sentences of some fifteen hundred folks in part thirty nine
others convicted of nonviolent crimes. We don't know exactly who
all of these people are as yet, but this is

(24:06):
the largest number of commutations by an American president on
a single day. A pardon wipes out a conviction. A
commutation leaves the guilty verdict in place, but reduces some
of the punishment. Biden saying many had been placed on
home confinement during the pandemic. He says his movie is
to quote, help reintegrate individuals back into society and to
provide a second chance. Many Republicans take the opposite stance, except,

(24:28):
of course, when it comes to pardoning the January sixth people,
those who rioted at the US Capitol, where the president
of LEC says he'll act in their course on day one. Meantime,
there are also mixed responses to FBI Director Chris Ray
announcing that he will resign from his post early to
open the way for the Trump pick Cash Patel to
step in at Patel is confirmed by the senat here elsewhere.

(24:50):
Time magazine such as it is these days as named
Donald Trump as their Person of the Year for the
second time. Trump very much draw to this sort of stuff.
He had long while he had copies of fake Time
front pages with his photo on it on display around
his golf causes. While Don Junior's recent girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle
is the latest Trump nominee accused of sexual misconduct, accused

(25:13):
of harassing an assistant at the Fox Network, which is
said to have resulted in an out of court settlement
upwards of four million bucks. You wes she has split
with Don Junior, who apparently has just found a new girlfriend,
while Gilfoyle has been given a prestige job as the
new American Envoy to Greece, which means you'll be traveling
half a world away from the Trump family compound.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, probably not a bad thing. Hey, thanks very much,
enjoy the recy weekend. That's Richard Arnold, our US correspondent,
right on the ACC fees. So what's going on here
is we're all going to have to chip in a
little bit. You know. It's like has passed the hat around.
It's one of those we're gonna have to chip in
a little bit to plug the seven point two billion
dollar deficit in the ACC. And for most of us,
it's just a little bit here and there when you're
probably not even going to notice it. I mean, if

(25:55):
you're an average worker on seventy thousand dollars a year,
you're paying about eighty seen sextro. I know it adds up,
but you know eighty cents extra a week. Cars are
going to go from this is your rego, by the way,
that's what ACC is up to there. The rego goes
up forty two dollars to forty nine dollars and stuff.
But whoa if you're riding a bike a motorcycle, jeez,
your pay and aren't you The levy for a five

(26:17):
hundred cc motorbike is going to go up by twenty
three bucks. Next year, it's gonna hit three hundred and
twenty one. Then it's gonna go up another one hundred
and twenty one dollars the next year. So now we're
at four hundred and forty two dollars, and then it's
gonna go up the following year another ninety one dollars.
So at at five hundred and thirty three. So it's
going from three hundred and twenty one dollars next year

(26:37):
to five hundred and thirty three dollars a couple of
years from there burg money. So we're gonna have chat
to an acc lawyer and a researcher, Warren Forster after
seven on that tell you what you're paying for the injuries?
Aren't You're nine away from seven ever?

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Lets the Ellen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's
Real Estate News.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Dogs V I have got some good news for the
people of Auckland. I'm sorry to everybody else, but just
really quickly for Auckland. The walking bridge from the viaduct
to the wind you caught it. It's just been announced
that they're going to open it, and they're gonna open
it seven thirty this morning. Now look like you. I'm
I'm shocked because this thing has been down since March.

(27:18):
We have been nagging Ekipanuku. This is why Ekipinuku's being
wound up by the council. By the way, been why
I've been nagging these guys to get this bridge up
and running again. And they're like, yeah, and it's gonna
open on the thirteenth of December. Open on the thirteth
of the December. And then yesterday they were like, so
it's gonna open tomorrow, but we're going to make a
decision tomorrow about when it's gonna open tomorrow. So they
have made it like literally on the day they have
made a decision about thirty five minutes before the bridge

(27:41):
opens to open the bridge. Now, I'm not gonna complain.
I'm stoked the bridge is opening, but only Ekipanuku would
leave it till the very last minute. Anyway, we'll talk
to a business owner later about how great that is
five away from seven.

Speaker 6 (27:52):
All the ins and the outs.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
It's the biz with business fiber, take your business productivity
to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yes, So hopefully Paul Goldsmith is going to keep close
eye on this one. The Aussie government has officially decided
they're going to set new laws to force the big
tech companies to pay for their news. Ozzie's been leading
the way since about twenty twenty one, when they set
the world first law to make Meta and Google pay
for hosting news on their platforms. Now what happens is
those companies initially complied to slightly watered down deals and stuff,
and their Meta announced this, yet Nap not going to

(28:21):
be renewing their deal, which meant it became a legal standoff.
And so now Australia's new rules will require the firms
that earn more than two hundred and fifty million Australian
dollars to enter into commercial deals with the media organizations
or face higher taxes. The new framework is called the
News Bargaining Incentive Incentive, and unlike the old one, this

(28:42):
one will just make them pay even if they don't
do deals with publishers. So you can imagine how that's
going to go down With Meta, they say they're going
to begin phasing out their dedicated news tab for Ozzie,
seeing as news only makes up three percent of what
people in Australia see on their Facebook feed anyway, the
new tax model will begin in January. So now the
ball is in Paul gold Smith Court as to what
he does there here. Rather see if it works over there,

(29:05):
maybe we can do it here too. Now, Una Jegosi,
Solicitor General, got to get you across this. Yesterday decided
to withdraw those prosecution guidelines where she told the prosecutors
to think carefully about prosecuting Mari because Mari a Mari.
Now this is important to this show, because of course
you will remember if you cast your mind back. Mike
was actually the first one onto this, and Mike made

(29:26):
it a song and danced quite rightly about it, drew
it to everyone's attention. That led to the thing being unwound.
So you know, in honor of Mike, who's on holiday,
we're going to have a chat to Erna Jegosi, the
Solicitor General straight after seven, and then after that just
get you across acc and Peter fitz Simmons on the
very thing that we started the program with, which is
are we okay with the NRL being used to do

(29:49):
the geopolitical machinations in our part of the world and
give a deal to P and G to cut China's
lunch news talks that b.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Meg used bold opinions Heather du the CEA Ellen on
the Mike asking breakfast with Bailey's real estate, your local
experts across residential, commercial, and rural news talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Be mourning to you. The Solicitor Generals reissued her controversial
controversial prosecution guidelines. These are the ones that urged prosecutors
to think carefully about prosecutions, especially when a person is Marty.
Now you'll remember that back in October she withdrew them
after Mike and This show raised concerns about them and
joining us. Now is the Solicitor General owner to goes
hi Una? Do you accept that you made a mistake

(30:36):
with those guidelines.

Speaker 19 (30:38):
Yes, I wasn't clear what I meant when I referred
to the fact of Marty's disproportionate representation in the criminal
justice system, and it led to as your instruction just said,
misunderstanding or confusion about what I was saying. And this
point is too important to have left there. So I
heard the criticism and the misunderstanding or of the error
of my expression. Few people wrote in. Quite a few

(31:01):
people wrote in as well to say that they misunderstood
or didn't understand what I meant, and I needed to
redo that. Soort have done that as I said they would.
We've revised the way in which the introduction is put,
and we've made sure that there's no other part to
the guidelines that lacks the clarity that is so important
for people to understand, so that the criminal justice system

(31:24):
approaches people on the individual presentation, their circumstances, their culpability,
how their background brings them to where they are today.
That's the error, and that's incorrected.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
If we got it wrong by assuming that you meant ethnicity,
what did you actually mean?

Speaker 19 (31:43):
Well, I meant that I was referring to part of
the context. Part of the context of the review was
to recognize that mary our disproportionately represented in our criminal
justice statistics. But in the way I had put it
was I mean, I accept that it was confusing. Ask yourself,
what does that mean? That's what people were saying, what
does that mean? And that's what I listened to.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, when people will tell us or what did it mean?

Speaker 19 (32:05):
UNA, Well, exactly this that that is part of our
context because I've just said, but what prosecutors must do
is address the individual, because that's where the criminal justice
system and the individual come together, on their circumstances, on
their background. So my mistake was to be unclear about
that and to push those two things to it.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
I'm sorry. Let me read it to you and you
tell me if we've got this wrong. Because your advice
was think carefully about particular decisions where a person is Maori, I.

Speaker 19 (32:38):
Think that's prettyst of a sentence.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Or a member of any other group that is disproportionately
impacted by the criminal justice system. Now I read that,
and I think that's pretty clear that what you're saying
is if somebody has popped up in front of the
criminal justice system and they are disproportionately impacted Mari Pacifica,
a victim of abuse when they were young, Tether, then

(33:01):
you need to think carefully about whether you prosecute them
or not.

Speaker 19 (33:06):
So the reason that I took them down was for
this very reason that people were unrem.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 19 (33:13):
Well I was wrong, but i'm about what was meant?

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Am I wrong in interpreting it the way that I have?

Speaker 19 (33:19):
Well, you haven't continued to read out the whole paragraph,
which goes on to say this isn't to say that
membership of a particular group is relevant, but it is
individual circumstances.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Or read you some more of what you said? Did
you read you some more? The experience of Mary is unique.
No community in this country was deprived of its autonomy,
internal cohesion and economic resilience in quite the way Mary
communities were.

Speaker 18 (33:46):
Is that?

Speaker 19 (33:47):
And where does that come from?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I mean, sorry to that's that's in your prosecution. It's
further down your prosecution, the original prosecution guideline.

Speaker 19 (33:54):
That's part of the part of the court judgments article
did did did you so? Your question to me is
I think why did you change them? And why I
changed them?

Speaker 1 (34:06):
That's not your question to me.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
My question is if you didn't mean that we were
supposed to that prosecutors were supposed to look at any
of these groups of people, including Marty, and go a
little lighter on them because they're Marty or any of
these other groups, then what did you mean? And you
were unable to explain that to me?

Speaker 19 (34:23):
I'm absolutely clear that what you were saying is the
very reason we had to change it, because people thought
I was saying something that I didn't intend to say.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
So what my I guarantend to say the tape of clarity.

Speaker 19 (34:34):
I intended to say is that, as the guidelines say,
when you are dealing with an individual in the criminal
justice system, it is their circumstances, their background, their culpability
that is relevant, whether they are a particular group or not.
Thing Mary per se is not relevant.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
But you actually mentioned being part of a particular group,
so it seems like it's relevant. Anyway. Listen, when you
published it, had you not had a warning from the
Attorney General, Judith Collins not to publish it.

Speaker 19 (35:05):
No, we had gone through an earlier iteration and she
had expressed some concerns about clarity, which we had. I
had gone back to and attempted to be more clear,
and I missed the mark, as I said in my
eighteenth of October.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
So this one that you put out, this one that
you put out, you thought this was your attempt at
being more clear.

Speaker 19 (35:27):
Well, and I was wrong about that because it wasn't clear.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
When she refused to write the foreword for you, which
is very unusual. Did you not think then that you
had a problem.

Speaker 19 (35:36):
Well, as I said on this channel only yesterday, that's
not actually how it went. We didn't invite the Attorney
General to write a forward this time. Sorry in the
earlier vision this year because we thought it better reflected
what the statute says, which is that these are guidelines
for the Solicitor General. But in light of what has
happened that in my error and the lack of clarity

(35:57):
and the confusion about what is required, we thought it
was better that the law officers, the Attorney General and
the Solicited General are seen to be aligned on what
the guidelines say to prosecutors. Own That's why the attorney
puts forward on this version.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Okay, listen, you've copped it lately, right, You've copped it
over this, which is fair and square at one of
your mistakes, and you've also copped it about the apology
with the state abuse survivors. Are you going to stay
in the job? Yes, okay, ownA, thanks very much, really
appreciate it. Ernage Ghosts Solicitor General. Thirteen past seven the mi.

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Speaker 2 (36:37):
I'm going to get to your feedback on Unage ghost
and just to take sixteen past seven, the worst kept
secret got to deal with this in NRL is confirmed,
Papa New Guinea is going to get the new team.
But boy is this riddled with politics. The deal is
designed quite explicitly to keep P and G away from
any military deals with China, and so the Aussie is
going to pump six hundred million dollars in to pay
for it. And joining me now is Australian columnists on
Sport Peter fitz Simmons Hpeter.

Speaker 16 (37:00):
Wanting to have a pedic Simons. But it's okay.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
I'm so sorry, Peter, I actually did wonder about that. Hey, listen, Peter,
how do you feel about the NRL being used for
geopolitical politics?

Speaker 16 (37:10):
It's very interesting. Wow, that is extraordinary amount of money
of tax tax dollars. On the one hand, it's clever
because I've been in to P ANDNG many times. I
booked the Cocada track and the fact that I in
one believe that I told them I was through I

(37:32):
know Albaninga and they were. They were stunned. I mean,
the level of enthusiasm of the people of PNG for
for rugby league is like nothing I've ever come across.
You know what, I love rugby. Key with you love rugby,
I'm sure I love cricket, but in PNG they are

(37:53):
obsessed with r L, with rugby league, and so the
cause in the contract which says that if P and
does any any security pact with China then the deal
of is clever clever way of doing it, even though
a couple of weeks ago the Foreign Minister of P

(38:14):
ANDG said no, no, no, this has nothing to do
with it's all just rugby league. Well it's everything to
do with China. So I don't know where the idea
came came from. But on the other hand, was it
really necessary what that mouth towards. That's the discussion point
in Australia at the moment.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
What about just the quality of the team and what
the impact on the NRL is going to be. I mean,
do you expect this team to be any good?

Speaker 16 (38:41):
I expect the raw athletic talent. I mean, when you
see we've had a few P and G over the years,
they are wondrously talented, you know, like they are very athletic,
very strong people. I would suspect that the team. I mean,
last night I was talking to Ian winners Bob Wallady

(39:02):
winger who ended up playing with PAN, and you know
the way it works in Japan, of course, is that
the Japanese national team they have. I don't know what
gypt up for and board, but it's more than this.
I am coming from elsewhere, respect that the team will
have a lot of players from Australia, perhaps England, perhaps

(39:23):
in Zealand. Off spring than initial term. In the long term,
you know it goes as well as I suspect will well,
I think I'll speak more than more than.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Peter. Thanks for getting up. I really appreciate thanks for
getting up as early as you did to have a
chat to us. Peter Fitt, Simon's Australian correspondent, and apologies
for the quality of that line. Hither on owner to ghost.
You're telling me the country's most senior law officer is
trying to convince us that she's guilty of school child
levels of sloppy drafting. Pull the other one. A lot
of techs along that line is a very good point.

(39:55):
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Speaker 6 (41:09):
Work together, do to c Allen.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Seven twenty three. Now, isn't the solar zero story starting
to look very much like a salient lesson? And why
taxpayer money should not be used to prop up or
subsidize the latest coup idea, because what we've now found
out is that the chair of the government fund that
pumped money into Solar zero has stepped down from her job.
And the clear suggestion here is that government ministers are
not happy about the way that our money was invested

(41:33):
in Solar zero, and fair enough because there are now
real questions about how careful this lot at the New
Zealand Green Investment Finance outfit were with our money. Just
remember that New Zealand Green Investment Finance so I can
to hear a bit about them. What happened as they
pumped one hundred and forty five million dollars of taxpayer
lending into Solar zero in August? Right, But by August

(41:55):
there were already some pretty clear warning signs the company
was in trouble because they already started laying off staff,
laid fifty off in April, and there were reportedly raised
arguments amongst management in front of staff and stuff like that. Now,
I don't think it's going to be a shock to
you to consider the possibility that people who run government
departments are not as careful with money as people who
run private businesses, because, of course, in private business, every

(42:17):
dollar is a hustle, you know the meaning of it,
whereas in the public sector. I don't know if you
know this, but money comes from a never ending money hose,
so no problem there. Now. I suspect that we are
not going to be very happy when with what's going
on here, with the happy go lucky money hand around,
when we finally get the full details from the liquidators
in time. And I don't think that it's going to

(42:38):
be a wild prediction from me to say that the
conclusion that many of us will reach is that government
just should stay the hell out of funding the latest
cool thing, whether it's subsidizing Tesla for Desla's for rich people,
or subsidizing solar panels or whatever it is. If the
business is solid, the private sector will invest in it
if they need money. If the business needs government money,

(43:00):
then it might be a sign that we should not
invest government money. Just look at solar zero. Heather duper
c Allen, alrighty, here we go, Heather, So you're telling
me one of the most senior legal minds in the
country claims that she can't write a clear instruction. I
think we all know what she meant, and so does she.
Which was special treatment for MARII and other groups. Obviously, Hither,

(43:22):
your interview with the Solicitor General sums up the public
service in New Zealand. She was caught out pushing a
personal agenda, dives for cover, does a mere kulpa as
a distraction when forced to save a job, and everyone
is still confused, and then she gets to keep her job. Hither,
that was not a mistake from Ernajagos. I think we
all know that, right. That wasn't a mistake. That was
a Karmala Harris quick change of velocity to keep one's job. Heather,
my BS meter just mounted down. Hither, I'm confused what

(43:45):
she's trying to say. Hither, I'm more confused than before.
I think that. I mean, I think we're all confused
because I think that we all know what the truth
is here, right, which is I mean, come on the
situation is she wrote the guidelines, Judith Collins looked at
it and when nah, you're gonna have to change it.
So she changes it to the guidelines that are published. Right,
So this is that was quite clearly what she was meaning.

(44:07):
But now we're supposed to believe that we are the
ones collectively who misinterpreted that. I think that's I don't know.
I don't want to be unfair to Una. She's a
very bright woman, but I feel like that meets the
definition of manipulation. What do you think? Hey, the bridge anyway,
we'll see how it goes. Uner's pretty keen to keep
her job. We'll see how it goes for her. When
you're crossing bridge that I told you is opening, so

(44:29):
it's going to open, Well, it's opening in four minutes,
so I don't know. I mean, I don't know what
you're planning to do with your morning if you're an
it's opened now, they've opened it early, jeez ekipanuk constantly surprising.
They're like, we're gonna open it now. Actually, hold on,
we're not sure we're gonna open it. No, we're opening
it seven.

Speaker 17 (44:44):
Thirty on a hold, I'm under promise over deliver. You
know the rules, They.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Really are all over the show. But here's the thing. Okay,
So so if you're planning to use the bridge, I
don't know what you're doing, but if you're in Auckland,
go and use the bridge, because you know it's a
new piece of infrastructure essentially, and you know how we
love that we turn up for a tunnel opening, turn
up for a bridge opening. It's going to be as
a slight wrinkle in this. It will be open every
day initially, just between seven thirty or seven twenty six

(45:09):
in the morning and eleven thirty at night because they're
not sure it's going to work properly, so they just
want to detect rectify any remaining issues. So limited hours
of operation, but at least it's going a News is
Next News Dogs dB are don away.

Speaker 20 (45:23):
God only, I'm not to tell a fun.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Away demanding the answers from the decision makers.

Speaker 6 (45:34):
Can the duplessy Allen on the my asking breakfast with.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
A Vida Retirement, Communities, Life your Way, news togs, he'd
be more than a heather.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
While I agree with the need for Erna to retreat
from her think carefully about particular decisions where a person
is Marty's statement, I wonder what you needed to hear
from her today to actually accept that she acknowledged she'd
missed the mark and her original statement was resignation the
only option. Now, that's a fair question to ask. Here
the reason, and I should probably explain this. The reason
I was pressing unage Goes or what she actually meant

(46:03):
originally is because I think we should know what she
actually meant originally, because that is actually what she believes.
And remember she is the lead legal mind in the
country right so whatever she believes is the direction that
she gives to the prosecutors and actually has a real
effect out there.

Speaker 16 (46:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
The reason that's important is because I suspect what's going
on here is Una has a certain worldview and it
has been kept in check by the current government that
we've got elected. But what happens when that government moves on?
What happens what happens if we have a change government
got labor back in who may have similar thinking to
unage Goes. Is she often running again with that thought.
So it's about establishing what she actually really believes, because

(46:40):
when she's unchecked, she will do it again. And that's
why I think it's important. Listen, can I tell you
just quickly on the coalition stuff, there's a fair bit
of talk at the moment about like not big cracks,
but little cracks may be emerging in the coalition, just
a little bit of maybe it's the end of year.
You know, we're all a bit scratchy, all a bit tired.
And Whinnie and you've had a bit from David c
thatd of it from Winnie Whin he's done another thing.

(47:02):
It looks like Winnie's not all that much of a
fan of Chris Luxeon's quarterly plans, because he gave an
interview this week and he said, I don't have this
sort of dashboard crap that I see other people perform
on and a fifty point plan or one hundred point
plan or a quarter year plan. Now you know what
that's a reference to, don't you, Because lux and loves

(47:22):
the old plans. Anyway, when he goes on to say
his party will release at some stage a list of
things we quietly achieved, because some talk and some do. Anyway,
he's now pretending because he's now getting questions about this,
as you would expect, he's now pretending he wasn't talking
about Luxeon at all, and Luxeon's fondness for the quarterly plans.
He was talking about Labor because when he was in

(47:43):
government with labor, apparently they also had these plans. Now,
I don't know if you saw that. I never saw
these plans. News to me that they had these plans.
But between Winnie having a crack and David Seymour spilling
the beans on what's going on with the fairy decision
and how much that's going to cost, in all of this,
it is starting to look and Nikola Willis's face, by

(48:04):
the way, if you haven't seen that when asked about
Winston Peters yesterday, the Ice Queen look that she gave
the chill that she shot with her eyes. Between all
of this, it looks like they're getting on each other's
tits a wee bit by the end of the year,
isn't it twenty away from eight the So the old
working from home debarkle with public servants has finally got

(48:25):
some hard and fast rules around it. The Public Service Commissioner,
who's the boss of the lot of them, has now
released guidance on working from home. And this remembers a
couple of days only after the union announced they're going
to sue the government over this and with us. Now
is the Public Service Commissioner, Sir.

Speaker 18 (48:39):
Brian Roch Brian, Hey, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Very good?

Speaker 18 (48:42):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Now have you set a minimum here? Do they have
a minimum number of days they have to be in
the office?

Speaker 21 (48:47):
No, not at all. We've just given guidance. We've credit
a framework framework which clarifies the position. So flexibility is
still a hallmark of what we're doing, but it's only
with approval from the employer.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Okay, So what is the guidance? What are the rules? Well,
the rules is.

Speaker 21 (49:04):
If you want to work from home, you have to
get the agreement, not for your employer. The employer has
to understand what tasks you're going to be doing. So
it's a level of oversight because till now it's been.

Speaker 16 (49:15):
A week bit of.

Speaker 21 (49:18):
Whatever, feel like, remembering over fifty percent of public servants
can't actually work from home. So the guidance is important
that we understand what's expected of people when they are
not in the office.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
How many days and how many days a week do
you put in the office.

Speaker 21 (49:35):
I put in an excess of five at the moment
that I'm a learning curve.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
But are you actually going into the office of the
weekends then.

Speaker 21 (49:43):
No, but I work probably every day for part of
the day. But you know this is full of rank
and file people do that.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, So how many days are you going into the office, Brian?

Speaker 21 (49:54):
I go in five days a week, okay.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
And so as a boss, do you not have an
opinion when you look around and you see, oh, mate's
been at home three days this week? Don't you sort
of form a judgment on that.

Speaker 21 (50:06):
I try not to because I trust people and.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
We're obviously not said some guidelines.

Speaker 21 (50:13):
The guidelines are important because without them, actually we have
no levers to actually be able to understand and defend
what is happening. And this is not just the public sector.
The private sector have the same dilemma of you know,
when people are not in the office, what are they
doing and who are supervising them?

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Do you think that there is an element of taking
the mickey that's been going on here? Are we better
a sense of entitlement?

Speaker 21 (50:38):
I don't. That's not been my experience. But you know,
these guidance so the avoidance.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Of doubt that is not an entitlement has the persause
My understanding is the union was actually involved in working
with you guys in creating these guidelines.

Speaker 6 (50:53):
Is that right.

Speaker 17 (50:54):
That's correct.

Speaker 21 (50:55):
We've got a really strong relationship with them.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Well, so if the guidelines were basically at the finish point,
why have they jumped the gun and gone for the
legal action.

Speaker 21 (51:03):
That's probably a question you should put to them. I
can assure you we gave it our best shot to
understand what the nature of the issues were. They were
unable to satisfy us on that, so I thought it's
best that for the reasons of being certainty, we push on.

Speaker 6 (51:18):
Listen, that's what we did.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Why don't we follow the example of the UK and
Canada and have a sixty percent minimum three days a week.
You've got to be in the.

Speaker 21 (51:25):
Office because we don't need that. At this point, all
options still remain on the table. That's not a threat
to anyone. But you know, this was a new thing
in our work practices. We've learned from it. We've given
this framework and guidance. We will continue to monitor and
we will modify it as required.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Brilliant stuff, Broan, It's really good to talk to you.
Thank you so much. As Brian Roche the Public Service Commissioner.
Just to remind we've got Kerry because of course some
Mike's on holidays and Kate's on holiday too, so we've
got Kerry and for Kate. Kerry and Tim will be
with us after eight this morning, wrapping the political, not
the political, just the entire week that was seventeen away
from eight.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
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Speaker 2 (52:07):
That'd be how you all have seen Candace Owens has
got that visa to come into New Zealand. Now, if
you're wandering, this is the controversial speaker from the US.
If you're wondering why on earth that suddenly cropped up?
So remember Australia Bander. Then we banned it because Australia
Bander and then it kind of just went away and
you think, well, why on earth are you dridging this
up again? Read the minister. Probably, I would say the
reason is legal action because the Free Speech Union were

(52:27):
going to sue him if he didn't do this. So
if you have the choice of Lord, how long are
you going to drag this out in the media or
just get it over and done with and give her
the visa probably made the right political decision there. I
would say thirteen away from eight. Now ACC levs they're
going to go up. They're going to rise steadily over
the next three years. They're going to fill a seven
point two billion dollar defice, or at least help to
And there's going to be a review of ACC with

(52:49):
us now. As ACC lawyer and researcher Warren Fallster, Hey, Warren.

Speaker 22 (52:53):
Yeah, good warning.

Speaker 18 (52:53):
How do you doing well? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Do we need this review?

Speaker 22 (52:57):
We absolutely need this review. And the reason is that
a SEC has really failed New Zealanders over the last
few years, and the ministers at the point now where
he needs to decide does he keep going with the
status quo or do he really pause now and think
what's going on there?

Speaker 2 (53:13):
When you say failed us, is that because of not
getting us back to work and out of the rehap.

Speaker 22 (53:18):
Yeah, And that's the key thing. So New Zealanders get
injured all the time, and what we need to do
is rehab to get better. But things have just slowed
down so much that it's taking longer. And the really
important point there is we shouldn't blame New Zealanders. We're
out there doing our thing. We're not the experts and

(53:38):
rehabilitation a SEC is. But when it's taking sort of
months to get medical evidence, o a SEC can make
decisions months to get decisions on treatment. The bureaucratic process
has overtaken people's needs and that's costing us more. An
ACC now by upping his levees is passing that cost
back to us. And what the Minute to saying is

(54:01):
we need to stop here and have a think. And
that really is, you know, we need to do that
because we can't keep going in a direction where things
aren't working, and we need to understand why they're not working.
And that's what the minister is talking about.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Now, Hey, those motorcycle levees are pretty hefty. Do you
reckon is this going to get people to give up
their bikes?

Speaker 22 (54:25):
Look, I've got no idea. I don't ride bikes myself.
But the whole point is we need to pay for
the scheme somehow, and we either do that by levees
or we do it by return on investment. And one
of it's missing here is that ACC's got sixty odd
billion dollars in a big fund. They don't need to

(54:47):
collect levees every year to fully fund the scheme because
they can use return on investment to do it. And
we just need to be really careful when we're having
these discussions to take a long term view. Putting my
motorcycle levy is up and down is something that happens
every few years and it just makes very little sense.
What we need to do is look at the big

(55:08):
picture and say, Okay, what is costing us, how do
we click that money, and most importantly, how do we
help people get back to work, get back to their
lives and not just cut them off the scheme. That's
what we're seeing now. We're starting to see thousands of
people who've got brain injuries. A SEC's just decided, look,
we don't believe in post concussion syndrome anymore. So thousands

(55:30):
of people are just going to get cut off. And
that's the exits that we start to see. And we
need to stop looking at exiting people and start looking
at rehabilitating people.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Warren, Thanks, I appreciate your expertise and getting up for us.
So that's Warren Forceter, acc lawyer and researcher. Quick question
for you, is it weird to buy a present for
your kids? Teacher and I'm asking because I think I
think it's weird, but I'm not entirely sure. Is this
something anyway? I'll explain to you in a minute. Ten
away from it.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
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Speaker 2 (56:06):
Hither it's only weird if you buy your teacher lingerie,
that would be quite weird. We'll get to that in
a tick seven away from mate. Now, fantastic news as
I told you earlier for businesses along Auckland's win Yard Quarter,
because the foot bridge is finally up and running again
this morning, and it's been out since March, which has
been a real pain in the butt. Tricky Hartley owns
the conservatory and is with us. Now, Hey, Tricky, good morning.

(56:27):
Have you had a wander across the bridge yet.

Speaker 15 (56:29):
I haven't had a wonder yet, but I've had multiple
texts and messages this morning telling me it's back open finally.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Are you relieved?

Speaker 15 (56:37):
Incredibly relieving, and to be honest, we're all incredibly excited.
And then it's to welcome everyone back to look at
your quarter.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Do you how many people have you lost as a
result of that bridge been down.

Speaker 15 (56:48):
Business has been down sixty percent since it close. We
winter down there as tough anyway, but this has been
incredibly hard for all of us.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Do you think, though, because it's been down for such
a long time and we're talking nine months now, are
you going to need to remind people that you guys
exist or they're just going to start coming back over
Do you think?

Speaker 6 (57:07):
I think both?

Speaker 15 (57:09):
I think definitely. There definitely needs to be some some
work out there in the community to make sure everyone's
aware that in its back open, which is appreciately doing
so this morning, because it's been a very long and
frustrating year for every business and their staff in the area.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah, totally has. What do you make of the fact
that it was sort of like it was done without
much fanfare this morning. We weren't even sure until about
six fifty three that it was actually going to open.

Speaker 15 (57:34):
No, they didn't fill us with a great deal of
confidence something will it was going to be today. I
want to have picked Friday the thirteenth personally as a date,
but no, we were away it was possibly going to
be today, but I think they were just safeguarding themselves
as usual.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yeah, probably just hitting their bits, which does worry me. Tricky,
thanks man, and best of like and hopefully the bridge
keeps working, because even that's not a serio of the tricky,
hardly the conservatory. So if you are down in the
viaduct and you're wanting to spend some dollars, give them
a go at the when you caught Are they really
really if this is an Auckland obviously, do we.

Speaker 17 (58:07):
Need to explain to the rest of the country that
this is like a it's a drawbridge, yes, that goes
up and down, which is because I think we just
keep calling it this bridge there. Oh yeahs open.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Probably do need to explain it.

Speaker 17 (58:20):
The whole situation is a bit stupid that you've got about,
I don't know, sixteen boats or something that have tall
masks that wouldn't fit under a bridge, have that sometimes
go past it and sometimes don't.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
And well, I mean there's also the aspect that you
could just walk around, couldn't you, or you could just
get an ubit, But no, no, we've got to have
this bridge. It's a very complicated, it's all. It's just
absolutely I.

Speaker 17 (58:43):
Mean, if this is Queenstown, that a zip line or something.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Probably something of the sort here to give the teacher
a present, maybe just give them a card. Actually, do
you know what? I agree with that? Because the reason
I raised this is because there is a debate and
this happens like it seems to be happening increasingly. It's
becoming increasingly popular to buy the tea a present if
you've got kids right, And it's got now to the
point where the Ministry of Education has a Financial Information

(59:07):
for School's handbook which tells you some of the rules
around buying by literally, it tells you the rules around
buying a present for the teacher. You're not supposed to
give them cash. That's not appropriate business. Sounds like you're
trying to buy good grades, isn't it. The schools themselves
now publish policies like if you give a teacher a
present under fifty bucks, they can keep it, otherwise they can't.
The Warehouse and various other stores have curated lists for

(59:30):
like gift ideas for your teacher. Now, I look, I think, okay,
first of all, likes a clear rule here you do
not buy a teacher. For a second, you don't buy
a present for a secondary school teacher. That's weird. I
think For the primary school teacher, the younger maybe you
want to give them a card on Kindy's absolutely fine.
You can do a card or something like because you've
got a relationship with the kindy teachers. You're in their

(59:52):
face the whole time. But it is weird that we're
putting pressure, isn't it on parents when budgets already stretched. Anyway,
we'll talk to Kerry and Tim about it. That were
us next, he stalks.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Heather Duplessy Ellen on the mic, asking breakfast with the
range rover villa designed to intrigue and use talks dead Bee.
It's Christmas time, my dear, and we said no gifts
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
I go one question. If you're not going to believe her,
this is what did you guess?

Speaker 20 (01:00:30):
This is actually him?

Speaker 15 (01:00:31):
This is him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Jimmy Fallon. Yes, Krrie, sorry, you've got to turn Mike on.

Speaker 20 (01:00:39):
I didn't realize. I know, I know, I'm not supposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Carrie just went to no because nobody knew that Jimmy
Fallon can actually sing?

Speaker 23 (01:00:46):
He is he can?

Speaker 20 (01:00:46):
I've seen him with Santa Baby, with Miley Cyrus.

Speaker 16 (01:00:50):
Have you Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
So this is Christmas thing, doll, I think, which is
one minute in sixteen. I know Mike likes to give
you the time as a value for money thing one minute,
so the songs are on the short side.

Speaker 17 (01:01:01):
This has actually wrapped me up with one of these
things with Megan Trainer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
I'm just making it up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I was trying to sound like I knew what I
was talking about as Meghan Traynor, and this was wrapped
me up. And it's a bit longer. It's two minutes forty,
but there you go. So if you're thinking, I, you
know what, I can't give myself enough of these idiots
on American cable TV, then I'm going to go by myself.
Jimmy Fallon's the Holiday.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Do you get the joke?

Speaker 11 (01:01:30):
This?

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
The album is called Holiday Seasoning with Me Right now,
we have Tim Wilson.

Speaker 18 (01:01:34):
Are you there? Tim? Yeah, I'm here. Jimmy Fallon sounds
a bit augmented. Actually, is there a bit of Ai
gun in there?

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
It could well be the case. And I had to
leave it for a while before I said hello to
Kerry because Kerry actually walked in there, she goes again.
She's walking away from the microphone. What is your bodd
is wrong with you? What's looking?

Speaker 20 (01:01:53):
Sorry, I've got a very important guest coming in up
to night. Look at the state of this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
It is disgusting because you know who's been sitting there?

Speaker 20 (01:02:00):
Do Matt Heath?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Matt Heath has been sitting there?

Speaker 18 (01:02:02):
And Heath again.

Speaker 20 (01:02:05):
I don't mind if people leave a few crumbs on
the desk, heavens, we all do it, but clean up
after yourself.

Speaker 18 (01:02:11):
How do you?

Speaker 20 (01:02:12):
And Christopher Luxen coming in at nine? He can't sit
in amongst Matt Heath's filth quite.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
I don't think that.

Speaker 20 (01:02:20):
While I'm sitting here chatting, I'll just multitask.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yes, we do, because we are women. So we're just
tidy up because we don't know what else to do.

Speaker 23 (01:02:28):
I feel like, can I just feel like I'm being
a woman's blamed here? Okay, all right, men do tidy
up as well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
That is a lot.

Speaker 20 (01:02:37):
No, that's true. There are immaculate tidy uppers, are there?
Immaculate name one?

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
He was actually very good point. There's enough to man though,
or an alien.

Speaker 20 (01:02:51):
I have no empirical evidence myself, but I'm sure there
are women up and down the country.

Speaker 12 (01:02:56):
You do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
This gets worse because I sat down just and we
have this desk to one side, and underneath the desk
is a shelf so we can hide all the gross
stuff and just come up on her hand black that
the wet wipes come up black. Anyway, Underneath the desk,
sitting on a napkin, is four little Christmas treats like
oreos that have been decorated like reindeer, which were very cute.

Speaker 20 (01:03:20):
At eleven o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Not quite so we think the boys. Yeah, we think
the boys brought them in at midday and have left
them here for twenty four hours, just sitting in a studio.

Speaker 20 (01:03:27):
No, Matt's left them on the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Disgusting. Okay, now the fairy decision. What did you think
of that? Tim, You're a normal person out there, not
a politico, which I.

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
Think, Well, I don't.

Speaker 23 (01:03:36):
I don't you know the whole it's an announcement about
an announcement.

Speaker 18 (01:03:40):
I get.

Speaker 23 (01:03:40):
I feel that's kind of like a belt weigh mode.
As a normal person, I just want to know there's
going to be a fairy. Should I decide to take
a fairy? And that I'm not going to have to
pay too much and do you feel like you know,
I don't know that, but I don't actually care because
I don't drive down to the South Island much. But
I am worried about Mveggi's coming up from the South Island.
So that's I guess that's where I'm at. It's like, well,

(01:04:03):
do we need to do? How can we get to
deliver this? Because there was a great observation by I
think Jonathan mill in news romy saying this is a problem.
The dilemma of treating what is it state owned Kiwi
Rail and treating it like a private company and then
forcing it to provide a loss making service.

Speaker 18 (01:04:20):
That's the issue.

Speaker 20 (01:04:21):
Yeah, well it is loss making. I mean you look
at the Napier widal line that was set up by
under the previous administration, and that was going to take
the logs and provide a suitable alternative to State Highway too,
and when there were wash outs and slips, it would
be no, they're not using it because it costs too much. Yeah,
and it's lost leading. But I mean, honestly, it feels

(01:04:41):
like there was a deal. I don't think this reflects
very well on the coalition.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Government now and isn't this actually the problem?

Speaker 20 (01:04:47):
Carry it was a deal and then Winston goes, no,
I tell you what, I've got my voter base to
look after, and I want rail involved.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I want a better deal. The problem is that they
have come in. It was one of the first things
that they did as the government last year, right they
came in they canceled that ferry because they're like, no,
this is while miles too expensive. We can do better.

Speaker 20 (01:05:03):
Even Grant Robertson acknowledged it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
But it doesn't look like they can do better. No,
which is awkward, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (01:05:09):
It is you really did have to have a resounding
announcement otherwise you say, look terribly sorry, it's got complicated
because of coalition agreement. We're going to make a definite
announcement in the new year.

Speaker 23 (01:05:21):
But to your point to I think Heather, well, I
was going to go to your point, Actually, Heather, that
is at the end of the year. You know Winston's saying,
I don't do dashboards, I don't do quarterly plans. But
you know, everyone's a bit scratched starting to show yea everybody, well, well,
but this is bigger than that.

Speaker 18 (01:05:37):
I think too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
What do you think is going on? That's bigger than that?

Speaker 11 (01:05:40):
Tim?

Speaker 12 (01:05:41):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:05:41):
What I mean is it's just a big, bigger issue
than the sort of end of year collapse. It's actually there.
I think you guys are right. It's proved to be
more expensive than they anticipated, and they they're sort of
scrambling to find an alternative.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
They're all getting on each other's nerves, aren't they care? Everything?
Did you see Nikola Willis's face when she was asked
about Winston Peters yesterday? It was like a turn sneaker,
speaker and a gustel everybody's head because then he's amazing.

Speaker 23 (01:06:11):
It looked like it looked like an oreo treat left
in the studio by overnight overnight.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Okay, listen, Kerry, have you finished wiping?

Speaker 20 (01:06:20):
Look at the state of that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
I'm sorry, it's it is. It's a white cloth that's
come up gray.

Speaker 20 (01:06:25):
I might actually frame this and leave it on the studio.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Okay, we're going to take a really quick break and Kerry,
we're going to get you more wet wipes. You're gonna
do the whole desk I'm going to have to do.
You're gonna have to Okay, thirteen past.

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Speaker 12 (01:06:42):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Well, go on, then, Carrie, so we took a break.
You vacuumed, you vacuumed, vacuumed.

Speaker 20 (01:06:57):
You madly did the other side of the desk. And honestly,
did you see American talk show hosting this before the president?

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Can you imagine Anderson Cooper just whipping around the studio
really quickly before bidy.

Speaker 20 (01:07:06):
Are heavily pregnant?

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
And yeah, and I'm old.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Anyway, it's all done, nothing to worry about. Back to
normal situation. Normal, Hey, Tim, listen, I'll tell you what's
been fascinating for me has been watching what's going on
with the banks this week and the fact that the
banks are not lending to the gas stations after twenty thirty.

Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
Now, now that, what do you think of that?

Speaker 18 (01:07:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:07:27):
I think, I mean, I think they should bring the
com coom into that. That seems like a perfect, a
perfect thing to look at. Because I'm the Yeah, and
we'll think because I'm getting to the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Minister about this earlier.

Speaker 23 (01:07:38):
This is Andrew Bailly and he's not into It's not
really I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Not sure that this is cartail enough behavior to actually
justify a calm investigation. What do you reckon?

Speaker 23 (01:07:49):
Let's just why don't we let them take a look
at it at least and then they can decide, But
let's not pre empt it.

Speaker 18 (01:07:55):
What I thought was interesting was it's the smaller operators.

Speaker 23 (01:07:58):
You spoke with the white Tom operator, yeah, CEO of
y Tom wil which is a pretty big one, and saying, oh, look,
it's not it's not affecting us, but they're picking off
the smaller, smaller, smaller guys, which I find that that
sounds unjust to me.

Speaker 20 (01:08:12):
But do you know what, this is why we have
secular lawmakers, because my morality might be different to your morality. Yes,
and so that's why we don't have rule by Bible
or Koran or whatever, or climate or climate change or
Greta Tomberg. You know, you have secular lawmakers who say
this is against the law, this is not so why
can't the banks follow that? So if it's going to

(01:08:33):
be against the law to drive a fossil or an
ice car, then make it against the law, and then
the banks don't lend.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
To a discussion about that argument that we're not going
to be We're going to be driving electric vehicles in
six years.

Speaker 20 (01:08:46):
So it made me think maybe I could run a
bank with my.

Speaker 18 (01:08:54):
Gloria Veil as well.

Speaker 20 (01:08:55):
I know, but him saying we're going to go from
two point two percent of the of New Zealand's fleet
being electric two you know, sixty twenty thirty?

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Are we? Dan?

Speaker 18 (01:09:07):
Are we?

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
I don't use those numbers when you're doing in the mortgage.

Speaker 20 (01:09:10):
I mean he's doing those numbers. I could be the
head of a bank.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
I think so too. Yeah, we're all we're all fine
with that.

Speaker 20 (01:09:15):
I'm really insensed by that. I mean, this is why
we have laws, so that my morality doesn't mean that
you live your life the way I think you should.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
And let's understand something about the banks as well. Right,
the banks are really powerful, so if they start calling
shots like this, they can actually screw your life.

Speaker 20 (01:09:32):
Over in the UK, they're de banking one thousand people
a day for different reasons.

Speaker 18 (01:09:36):
Yeah, that's and that that is that is a really
big issue.

Speaker 23 (01:09:39):
So I thought, you know, something happens on social media
and then suddenly you're you're all financial resources also if
you've been but yeah, more more than canceled. So cancelation.
You can still get stuff out of an ATM, even though.

Speaker 20 (01:09:52):
I mean literally literally cans.

Speaker 18 (01:09:54):
Yeah, absolutely, And given that.

Speaker 20 (01:09:56):
This is a capitalist society and nobody's come up. And
that's the other thing. The thanks are going, you have
to do this. They're writing checks that they expect other
people to cash, you know that, to provide for They're saying,
we have to do this to be better people.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
But you have to do it, not us, Yeah, thanking
for it.

Speaker 18 (01:10:13):
You know what this is.

Speaker 23 (01:10:13):
This is a bit of an example too, like there's
a there's a strong seam of progressivism within corporate corporate
New Zealand, corporate America, et cetera. So on the one hand,
super capitalist, I fly in business cart class, I guess
a whole lot of people for a consulting agency, then
I fly out.

Speaker 18 (01:10:29):
But oh no, climate change, No, we must think everything
we can.

Speaker 20 (01:10:33):
And that's exactly what annoys me. And that's why we
need laws, not this kind of holier than they.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Totally agree reality.

Speaker 20 (01:10:38):
Listen to me, what happened to the smaller banks? Why
didn't they sign the alliance? Were they not invited? Or
do we all take our banking to Taranaki Savings Bank?
They have to do because I know you've flunced off.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
From Kiwibank And now, well they were part of the alliance,
but they were doing the coal mining thing and I
got I got rid of. So where do we go?

Speaker 20 (01:10:56):
I don't know a TBS or SBS or Heartland.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
You do the research, okay? Can I just take a
bank's approach? You do the hard work for me?

Speaker 6 (01:11:02):
In do we do?

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
We do we give teachers presents?

Speaker 16 (01:11:08):
Yes?

Speaker 18 (01:11:11):
Yes, well.

Speaker 23 (01:11:14):
Geography even if they'd been useless.

Speaker 20 (01:11:18):
Oh no, you only give presents to the teachers you like? Okay, yeah,
but that was the way I operated. And that's like,
but with the kids, the grand kids, all the all
the mums put into an internet or i'd say parents,
but we know who would who read the email? And actually,

(01:11:40):
well I'm sorry, I'm still sitting amongst the filth. So
I'm still fester And but you call it off at
intermediate right, not not beyond that? Well, then you do
individual presence. But I like the way everybody can contribute
what they could afford, and nobody knew how much it was,
but they managed to get prizy cards with a considerable
amount of the three teachers. And I'm sorry. I know

(01:12:01):
there are problems with the curriculum, and I know everyone
war is on about the teachers holidays. They are doing
an amazing job. They are doing an incredible job, and
they've been having to leap through hoops for every single
successive government that comes in with a new idea, and
they have the children's best interests at heart all the time.

Speaker 23 (01:12:18):
But but there's also another another measure to this, which
is how well your kids behaved in class. So if
you kids behave badly, you get them chocolates. If you
pardon me, if your kids bathe badly, you get them Scotch.
You can get by with a box of faper from guys.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Thank you, it's wonderful to chat. You are really appreciated.
Carry best of luck with the Prime Minister when he's
in and it looks done it.

Speaker 20 (01:12:40):
It does, at least it does look get typhoid.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Yeah, and we'll see you again.

Speaker 20 (01:12:44):
You killed the Prime minister, good reindeer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Yeah and alright, some men carry eight twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Heather duplessy Ellen pond on Mike asking break we're the range.

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
Rover of the lawn us.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
For goodness sake, carry it. It's not going anything to
do with morality. The head of B and Z has
stated explicitly that it's a risk based decision debate that
that is bs John. I'm happy to come to Kerry's defensiveness.
Where's the risk? I've been thinking about this because any
name's risk based, risk base. We're not going to lend
to the fossil fuel companies and rist bans. What's the risk?
What is the risk? The greatest risk is it appears

(01:13:19):
to be driven by by some regulations that the numpties
at the Reserve Bank have done while they took a
break from pretending to be a tree. And if that
is the case, if this is driven by regulation, there
is no punishment by the way in the regulation it
simply says they have to do climate reporting. But it
doesn't say if you don't do your climate reporting and
you're not meeting your targets, then we're gonna start punishing you.
There's no risk there, So where is the risk? They
just say that stuff so people read and go, oh,

(01:13:42):
must be a risk anyway. Listen lots of text saying
actually the best thing that you could do is by
the teacher, is right, the teacher a card and just
say how grateful you are. And I kind of I'm
on board with that. But on the subject of Christmas presents, okay,
I was reading the papers are full right now of
what you need to buy this person in your life
and that person in your life. And there's a chap
who writes for the Guardian who's tried to solve the

(01:14:02):
problem for us of what to buy the man in
your life this Christmas. And he says that this is
He says, don't buy the man a treat like I
don't know, I don't know, a set, I don't know.
Whatever you buy men iPhone, I don't know, don't buy
the mat if you really care, get us a modest
upgrade of a bargain basement product that you've spotted us using,
so for example, corkscrews, pepper grinders, pencil sharpeners. The nicest

(01:14:27):
thing he reckons he ever got was a really nice
potato masher two decades ago from his mum, and he
still thinks about it because he's still using it after
twenty years. He still thinks about how every time he
uses it. That sounds stink.

Speaker 17 (01:14:40):
If anybody's listening and wondering what to get me, not
a potato masher, No thanks, I think mind one does
the job. That's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Yeah, that's stink.

Speaker 17 (01:14:50):
Imagine that we do like toys.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
I'll say that there is honestly potato mashes anyway, So
good luck men, someone's gonna read that headline snatch.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. Here
the duplicy Ellen on the mic asking breakfast with Bailey's
real estate, your local experts across residential, commercial, and rural
news togs dea'd be hither.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
You haven't lived until you've used my rubber made can opener.
And I just love my Pergo pepper grinder. And you
can absolutely give me a qualities a quality boy toy anytime.

Speaker 17 (01:15:29):
A Pergo I've seen them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Yeah, Pucho pepper grinder, so has.

Speaker 17 (01:15:33):
It got like classic bits that fall off, just like
the caz Or.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
You need to start shopping in more expensive places, stop
buying all your kitchen stuff from the warehouse, and then
you'll find you find one of those pepper grinders. But look,
I'm on board with all of this. I love a
quality kitchen the thing, because nobody wants to sit there
fiddling trying to get into the beer with one of
those beer openers, and you're slipping because the thing isn't
properly designed, you know. So yeah, you're going to spot
the money?

Speaker 17 (01:15:56):
Do you not just whip the top of the bottle
off with your teeth.

Speaker 20 (01:15:59):
Like I do?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
No, Because I'm a woman, obviously, I haven't learned that
trick yet. I will at some step. I'm still trying
to master how to do it with the teaspoon. But
I don't know that Christmas is the time for this
kind of thing. I feel like this is just one
of that. This is like a Valentine's Day gift. I
feel like I will give you a Valentine's Day gift
of a Dave next Valentine's Day of a Pergo pepper grinder.
But for Christmas, I want to give you something a
little more special, like bourbon. And by the way, Glenn's

(01:16:24):
wife when he says that he wants bourbon.

Speaker 17 (01:16:27):
I have adult children as well who alcohol too.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
And mother when he says he wants bourbon, he's not
being sarcastic like he normally is. He keeps saying bourbon
because he would like you to buy some bourbon. So
if you could just sort that out, otherwise we're gonna
have to chip in and buy bourbon and it's going
to cost us a lot of money and I want
to have to twenty two away from nine.

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business, Mary Olds, I'll corresponding with us, Mars.

Speaker 24 (01:16:51):
How are you good morning here? They're pretty well?

Speaker 12 (01:16:53):
Thank you in over the week.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Yeah, it's good to talk to you.

Speaker 18 (01:16:55):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
What do you make of P and G and the
NRL and all of the politics in this well, look.

Speaker 24 (01:17:00):
I've been up to P and G a couple of
times on different stories over the years. They love rugby league,
has no doubt about that. Channel nine is the only
channel they watch in P and G down and here
in Australia. And to have a rugby league team it's
the national sport. So to have a rugby league team
in itself is as far as P and G is concerned,
and my limited knowledge of the rugby league passion they

(01:17:22):
have there, it's just going to be the best thing
going as far as P and G is concerned.

Speaker 17 (01:17:27):
But it does come with a bit of a catch.

Speaker 24 (01:17:30):
The federal Government's going to chipen six hundred million dollars
to get this team up and running. It's due to
kickoff in the competition, the NRL comp Heather in twenty
twenty eight. But as I say, there's a catch, it's
a ten year deal. There's no explicit right of veto
for the any decisions that the P and G government
might make. For example, gee, whiz, let's have China build

(01:17:53):
a brand new port, say, But underpinning all of this
is the explicit idea that P and G will have
nothing to do with any overtures that China might make,
as it's doing elsewhere in the Pacific, China will always
get excluded in favor of Australia, or it could be
in New Zealand or whatever. But what the Australian government

(01:18:14):
under Albanesi's trying to do is quarantine PNNG from any
Chinese overtures. What better way to do it, Heather than
having a brand new NRL team flying the Papua New
Guinea colors.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
But is it any good for the think about it?
Is it any good for the competition? Because now you're
going to have to attract players who's going to want
to go and live in P and G, especially if
you've got kids, right, even if you're in the compound.
So you're going to get the very young players who
haven't got kids, and you're going to get the older
players who are near retirement needing to make their money.
So the team's going to be a bit sub a
bit subpar. That's not a great experience for fans, is it.

Speaker 24 (01:18:48):
Well perhaps not, but you could maybe And I hesitate
to say this because the Worries are my second team.
What a bunch of underachievers down the years.

Speaker 12 (01:18:56):
They've been in there for decades.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Now, Well, it's the same problem of us, isn't it
the same problem. No one's wife wants to live in Auckland,
but they absolutely do not want to live in Port Moresby.

Speaker 24 (01:19:06):
Port Moresby can be a bit a bit scary, no
doubt about it. Yeah, look, it's a legitimate concern. But
the NRL is talking up the prospects of the team. Yes,
we will attract good players, blah blah blah. They are
obliged to say that, aren't they. Yeah, so maybe it
will be an easy beat for.

Speaker 12 (01:19:24):
The first little while.

Speaker 24 (01:19:25):
We also understand this morning is going to be the
North Sydney Bears, one of the foundation teams that needs
to be stacked with Kiwi Internationals. They were dumped from
the comp a couple of decades back. They're going to
be setting up in Perth. Could be aroun at the
same time as the P and G side.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Hey listen, why did Murdoch go to the synagogue?

Speaker 24 (01:19:43):
Well, it looks good he's here in Australia for Christmas.
The Australian newspaper that he owns has been belting the
Albanzy government silly because Elbow didn't go to the Adas
Synagogue last week when the thing was firebombed. Extensive damage there.
It's many say the most important synagogue in Australia. So

(01:20:04):
Murdoch being in Australia for the Christmas holidays, he was
visiting Melbourne, looking at the News Corp structure down there,
meeting all the staff and he just hopped in the
back of a Lemma with his wife and they went
along to the synagogue. His wife may be Jewish in
the back of my mind in any event, was it

(01:20:24):
was an opportunity for the bottom News Corp to and
don't forget he's headquartered in the United States in New
York News Corp. A lot of Jews in New York,
a lot of heavyweight lobbying in New York and in
Australia in terms of the bloody, horrific attacks on Jews
and Jewish institutions and random attacks in Sydney's eastern suburbs

(01:20:48):
where the majority of Sydney's Jews live, you know, halfwoods,
fire bombing cars and spraying f Israel all over apartment blocks.

Speaker 16 (01:20:57):
And so on.

Speaker 12 (01:20:57):
It's dreadful, It's horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Anybody pople are scared. Anybody have the courage to ask
him what's going on with his Succession court?

Speaker 12 (01:21:04):
I don't think so.

Speaker 24 (01:21:05):
Certainly not the Australian headquarters.

Speaker 17 (01:21:06):
No, because did you see that the next series.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
I mean, this is basically spawning a spin off, isn't it.
Did you see that? The reason that the family even
got into this court case is because they were watching Succession,
which is based on them, and they were watching Succession
and they thought, oh, geez.

Speaker 24 (01:21:22):
Life is life imitating art?

Speaker 19 (01:21:25):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Well, mate, it's life imitating art that is imitating life.
We're totally bizarre, isn't it. Are you looking forward to
finding about finding out about this nuclear energy plan.

Speaker 12 (01:21:34):
Oh very much.

Speaker 24 (01:21:34):
This is what Peter Dutton is going to be announcing today.
We understand, you know he's been banging on about nuclear
energy for the last well, well if I said twelve months,
certainly all year, and Labor has been saying, okay, put
some meat on the bone. Let's have a listen to
what you've got to say and a look at your costings.
There've been two reports out this year by the CSIRO,

(01:21:56):
which is Australia's premiere scientific organization, the Commonwealth Scientific and
Research Institute whatever it is, it's you know, all the boffers,
the brainiest people in Australia work for the CSIRO. They
have canned Dutton's plan, saying it's too expensive and it'll
be far too late. Dutton, for his part, has said, well,
you guys are biased. Hello, we're scientists, we've got pointy heads.

(01:22:19):
We're not biased politically. We don't care. We're looking at
the numbers. But Dutton's going to come out today and say,
guess what. My plan will keep coal power going for
a lot longer, and we will transition out to a
system by mid century. We're going to have.

Speaker 12 (01:22:35):
Nuclear power here. Nuclear power will be.

Speaker 24 (01:22:40):
Almost forty percent of Australia's power needs, fifty percent will
be from renewables and the balance, you know, a combination
of storage and gas. Well, the critics are saying it's
absolute pie in the sky. Dunton hasn't got a hope
in hell. It's going to be twice as expensive.

Speaker 12 (01:22:56):
He claims.

Speaker 24 (01:22:57):
Labour's plan to have almost all renewables by century is
absolute fantasy stuff. So it's going to be an absolute
trigger point at the next election, which must be held,
as we know. But between now and May, that and
the cost of living, And having said that, there's apparently
some nervous Nelly's in the coalition on the backbench probably saying, oh, listen,

(01:23:18):
let's not go too hard on nuclear. Let's focus where
people are really really concerned on cost of living. No
early interest rate, cup, We don't think on the back
of the very strong employment figures out yesterday, anyone hoping
for some mortgage relief in February or March is probably
going to be whistling in the wind.

Speaker 12 (01:23:35):
Heather, I'm afraid to say.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Mars, listen, good to talk to you is always going
to enjoy that Murriol's Australia correspondent here. The Pugio started
out as an engineering company that created the grinder mechanism itself.
The motor vehicles are just a recent thing. The pepper
grind does a trademark and have been around for over
one hundred years.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Then you go quarter to nine, the Mike Asking Breakfast
Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks at
B eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Away from mind listen to spare Thought. Here we are
talking about what to get people for Christmas. Spare thought
for the All Blacks because that literally the opposite is
happening to them. I don't know if you've seen this,
but Ford has ended its sponsorship of the All Blacks.
And little known fact potentially is that Ford's sponsorship of
the All Blacks meant that they all got a car. Right,
So all of a sudden, there are the sponsorship ends

(01:24:21):
on the thirty first of January. And I don't know
how much of a heads up they've hadded for this,
but they all have to give their cars back. Now,
I was thinking, just imagine, I mean, look, you're not
gonna have a lot of sympathy. I know you're not
gonna have a lot of sympathy for them. You're like,
who gets a free car? Right, But imagine the kerfuffle
that's gonna happen in their lives now because now they
have to go and buy themselves this Christmas time a
new car because the car is disappearing, right, And it's

(01:24:43):
not just any old car. It's not like they're gonna
go down to Turner's and buy Lord's Ford like old
Mate was just singing about. It's not gonna be one
of these. It's not gonna be some sort of secondhand,
clapped out thing or something like that. These boys have
got used to brand new vehicles because they get changed
every year as well.

Speaker 17 (01:24:59):
Do you reckon? It's propo to like, you know, if
you're if you're a frontline player or you're just on
the bench.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Are you thinking sort of like Damien gets a lesser
version of a car than Barrett because Barrett's better at
number ten? Kind of a little bit like that.

Speaker 17 (01:25:12):
Geez, you've opened a can of worms there. I don't
know if everybody's going to agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
I mean, obviously that's takes you.

Speaker 17 (01:25:18):
But also like if one of them starts one week
and one of them starts the next week. Do they
have to swap cars? I think like they do swap
the everest.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Are you interesting in a in a in a Wallace
Tatiti early on with a really banging vehicle, because you
can see the man's got potential, but you're maybe looking
at some others.

Speaker 17 (01:25:34):
Zoo Or does it just actually personality types?

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Who knows?

Speaker 12 (01:25:37):
You know?

Speaker 17 (01:25:37):
Are you are you more of a sort of a
ranger kind of a guy, or are you you know,
a little puma is a p puma guy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
You make that judgment, call on their behalf and tell
them what vehicle is suited to them, in which case
you're going to get a little offended, aren't you. Potentially Anyway,
I thought that these boys, I was like, they were
all going to be cruising arounding utes obviously, like every
single one of them is going to want to forward
range of wild track, do you know what I mean?
And so if they're going to go and replace that
they started at the seventh they got a scratch together
seventy seven thousand dollars plus on road costs like now.

(01:26:05):
But then I was told by the boys in the
sports department, no, And this totally surprised me. Apparently they're
all driving Mustangs, which I thought felt a little bit
of hair dressy. I mean I can see like Aaron
Smith in that and Damien because of his ridiculous haircut.
But the rest of them, I thought, wouldn't bet it.
Apparently they're driving around mustag.

Speaker 17 (01:26:21):
I what about the EV the you know the EV SUV.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
That no TJ took. That TJ and he took the
only one that was available ninety three thousand dollars. So
spare thought for the all blacks, because man alive, they're
going to scratch the dollars together just to maintain the lifestyle.
It's going to be difficult for them. Thoughts and prayers
none away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Yeah, the duple sellent Von, the my Hosking breakfast with
they least real estate news dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
They'd be Heather, what kind of car do you reckon?
Sevu Reese is driving at the moment, But one that
comes with an alcohol lock, wouldn't It would be one
that is already has one and built or automatic drop
you know those automatic like the Tesla has it where
it drives for you so you don't have to drive.
After what happened in the I mean, you didn't have
that far to go, got in the car and the
drive winds crashed into something else. So anyway, I think
we're going to give him one that doesn't require that

(01:27:06):
much definitely automatic. We don't want him to actually be
involved in the driving of the car too much. Six
Away from.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Nine trending now with chemist Warehouse Great savings every Day.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
One of the most iconic ads that we've probably ever
had here in New Zealand is the McDonald's make It
Click ad.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
It's your must remember every time you're in the car
and it makes a different sist're going in there, afar
if you're in the front seat, berrief, you're in the
back click girls, your seat belt.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Before you had the track as an at a banger
from the past. They released it thirty years ago and
then they re released it in two thousand and three
to bring it to the attention of a new generation.
And as they say, if you've got a hat, you've
got a malk cat. So this morning they have the
make It Click ad again, but this time it's been remixed.

Speaker 12 (01:28:05):
Guys, you must remember ever you're.

Speaker 18 (01:28:07):
In the car, and it makes all the pens if you.

Speaker 6 (01:28:09):
Go in there, off bar, if you're in.

Speaker 21 (01:28:11):
The pretty awful, isn't it?

Speaker 17 (01:28:22):
Kind of shape shift and meets the wiggles.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Is this why we've got such a rise in cocaine
as the children are getting into it and having raves?

Speaker 17 (01:28:31):
Or are the people involved in this head responsible for
the rise in cocaine using?

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Is it there? They thought this was a good idea. Anyway,
it's been remixed by the King we dj Jess Rhodes
into what they call them make its click drum and
bass anthem, the drop anthem I ain't no one's anthem anyway,
here you go. That's interesting. Hey, do you want to
have your mind?

Speaker 17 (01:28:50):
That's coming from the woman who likes the Turners The Tina.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
From Love The Turner's ad I think should be.

Speaker 17 (01:28:55):
Banned as a crime against humanity?

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Glean what is your problem with the Turners ad?

Speaker 17 (01:29:01):
It hurts my brain.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
It's fantastic. It references everybody that matters, Lord and doctor Ruputa.
What else could you possibly want? Plus, it's hilarious and
it's catchy, and in fact, I'm gonna make it my
life's mission to learn all of the words and just
sing them along. One I'm just turn the microphone on
one day.

Speaker 17 (01:29:17):
I'm not coming.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
You want to have your mind blown by something. Apparently,
the teachers, the junior teachers at DIO get parents' presence
around the six to eight hundred dollars range, and the
King's Prep teachers get presents of one thousand dollars plus.
So you and your fifty dollars for the kindy teacher
step it up. Anyway, how am I to ruined this
wonderful song for you?

Speaker 15 (01:29:40):
Enjoy it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
I will see you next week. Glenn's not going to
be here and Chris Luxen is in the Beautiful Clean
Studio next So stay tuned with news dorgs dB.

Speaker 16 (01:29:50):
Going there on.

Speaker 6 (01:29:58):
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