Full Show Podcast: 16 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
The mic Hosking breakfast with the range Rover villa designed
to intrigue and use talks there'd.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Be wanting to welcome today the economy might have some
good news around construction costs and might have some good
news around inflation. Also the courts, the battle to stop
teacung are being enforced on law students. That goes to
Parliament today and we're going to look into a new
report that rings alarm bells around the activism of the
Supreme Court. Mark and Jinny politics Wednesday after right Richard
Arnold in America's Dee Price in the Mighty ass asking

(00:32):
welcome to the day seven past six. Has the government
dug a hole for itself or solved the problem?

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Now?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
The trouble and any parent will confirm this is you
only use a threat if one there's an expectation that
behavior will improve, or two if it doesn't you are
prepared to act. In the Wellington case, the threat which
has now very clearly been laid down will not lead
to behavioral improvement. They are not capable. I mean, Wellington
is such a dysfunctional mess. If they were wanting to
stop embarrassing themselves. They would have done so a long
time ago. Now, I would argue, got dangerous reputationally. The

(01:03):
capital is shot. The rest of the country reads a
ghasted about the closure of businesses, the destruction of the
city center, the general view that the place is run
by idiots. Yes, it's been exacerbated by the public sector layoffs,
but the pipes have nothing to do with central government,
nor does the debt or the downgrading of the credit
ratings and the inability to sell some shares to offset
the increasing fiscal quagma. The place is now in so
what to do? This is where reputations come in. Having

(01:27):
made the threat from the Prime Minister down, they now
have to act. I suppose they can buy a bit
of time if they want out of politeness, but given
improvement isn't on the way for their own reputational integrity,
they will now have to make good and pull the trigger, which,
of course, if Tawonga or Canterbury is an example no
bad thing. Democracy is only ever any good if it
serves the vote as well, and I don't think even

(01:49):
those who voted for this eclectic lineup of near de
Wells could argue this is what they envisaged when they
gave them their tick. Where over counciled generally and more specifically,
increasing numbers of councils are having trouble making quality decisions,
understanding their brief and delivering services in a way that
would pass any sort of muster. When the capital city
of a country is on its knees through bungling and infighting,

(02:13):
it's time to act.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Why News of the World in ninety seconds a.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Bit of action in Britain urbanite as regards to the
Middle East. Firstly, they'd like just about everyone else, are
not happy Israela going after the peacekeepers.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
We're gravely concerned to hear that five UN peacekeepers have
been insured by the Israeli defense forces. We reiterate that
attacks on UN peacekeepers and UN members of staff are unacceptable.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
They've also sanctioned seven groups who support legal settlers in
the West Bank. Lib dims not happy. They want more.

Speaker 6 (02:44):
We're calling on the UK government to put their entire
diplomatic weight behind efforts to get the hostages out, to
get humanitarian aid in, to call for ceasefires all round,
for de escalation. In the rhetoric.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Meantime, here's Vela still working out the latter's response with
some more rhetoric.

Speaker 7 (03:02):
We can hit any point in the Israeli entity, whether
it's in the middle or in the north South ornamental.
We will choose which points that is appropriate.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
But back in Britain on non war matters, this bloke
who runs a big phone company, he was at yesterday's
gab based on investment in the economy.

Speaker 8 (03:22):
He is, truly, I've never seen this before in all
my history, is such a dedicated, absolutely dedicated passion for
growth and a dedicated passion for the environment.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
How However, true to form and yet another inquiry, they
find the funeral director sector in Britain pretty much a
free for.

Speaker 9 (03:43):
All the realities in the present situation, anybody could become
a funeral director. And the reality is anybody could become
a funeral director, set up their business in their own home,
care for the deceased in their own garage.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
And then done. And because the Middle Eastern Ukraine are
Sudan's largely forgotten these days, which is why it's a
bust and cholera is everywhere.

Speaker 10 (04:06):
More than three million people, I'll direct this off colera
and since the word dropped it, that is over seventy
five percent of the hospitals and facilities Aristo because of
the world.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Finally, scandal in the World of Concuers. This is the
World Champs, no less. We got eighty two year old
David Yaikins. He's known as King Conquer. Of course, he's
been investigated after he got his first win since nineteen
seventy seven by destroying multiple conquers of his opponents in
just one hit. Now that's unheard of if you know
about your conquers, So you know where this is going.

(04:42):
He was asked to empty his pockets and a fake
steel conquer painted brown was discovered. He said that he
didn't use that one in the competition. He had it
just for quote unquote a laugh. The investigation continues to
use the World of ninety you can lax. By the way,
it has been confirmed by three senior Biden administration officials,

(05:04):
quietly no names, that Israel has decided that when they
go after a run as they seemingly will, they're not
going to hit the oil tankers. And because they're not
going to hit the oil tankers, oil's fallen overnight. So
fill up twelve past six.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
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Speaker 3 (05:27):
Evy can't help you on China. I'm afraid either. Export
numbers yesterday grew two point four in September. They thought
it was going to be better imports, which is where
we come and of course, because we wouldn't mind selling
them some stuff or more stuff, imports rose only by
zero point three percent, So still anemic. Fifteen past six.

Speaker 11 (05:47):
Gallo from j My Wealth Andrew Callahoa, good morning, very
good morning, Mike Dear. He's okay, down, I mean down
the most minor amount and what else can I see?
Chads up and skims down. But it looks all right,
doesn't it.

Speaker 12 (06:00):
As steady as we go.

Speaker 13 (06:01):
Yeah, another global dairy trade auction and another steady resultant
from the point of view of you know, the big
ticket item, whole milk powder uneventful is what you call it? Yeah,
cheddar and mozzarella Cheddar up four point two percent, Mozzarella
down eight point two percent, skim milk powder did full
one point eight percent, So just keep an eye on that,
but absolutely no move and whole milk powder and you

(06:22):
put it all together and the index feld zero point
three percent being very stable prices since August there so
I wouldn't have thought it would have any impact on
the forecast farm gate milk payout.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
So yeah, steady issue goes right, o'housing talk to me.

Speaker 13 (06:37):
Yeah, yesterday we saw the release of the hari iron
z the real Estate and should be zound data for
the month of September, and we're starting to see more focus,
aren't we on the on the housing market, which tends
to happen when the prospect of lower interest rates becomes
more entrench should of course que all the news and
media coverage of the potential impact of lower interest rates
on property of values. Need I remind you, in all

(07:00):
likelihood in New Zealand, there are probably more people or
at least as many people with term deposits as there
are with mortgages, but we tend not to focus on that.

Speaker 12 (07:08):
Side of the coin.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Anyway.

Speaker 13 (07:09):
Anecdotal evidence and social media would have us believe that
the open homes are hopping in the housing market is
poised to break out, which you know could very well
be the case, but Mike, it's not evident yet in the.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Reported house sales.

Speaker 13 (07:23):
So the ariians data share house sales fell for a
second consecutive month. Prices did lift very slightly, but they
are taking longer to sell.

Speaker 12 (07:33):
Look at the numbers.

Speaker 13 (07:34):
House sales decreased one point one percent compared to last September.
That's not seasonally adjusted, but you know you're talking eight
hundred and eighty one versus five eight hundred and sixteen,
so I'd say that's stable. Compared to August, the sales
did fall three point three percent. You take Auckland out
of the picture. They mike and the number of sales
increased quite a bit four and a half percent. Big

(07:56):
lift in place like walk space, So Auckland's dragging the
chain there. When you compare the national inventory the total
number of properties actually listed, it's twenty seven over, twenty
seven percent higher than it was this time last year,
so there's a heat more properties to sell.

Speaker 12 (08:12):
Days to sell has gone up to fifty days.

Speaker 13 (08:14):
I like to look at the house price index as
opposed to the medium prices up zero point two percent.
That comes after four months of falls. In all fairness,
there does appear to be a lift in attendance at
open homes, and I would say that first home buyers
certainly seem to be in a better place. You know,
they don't have an existing mortgage, They've got plenty of

(08:34):
choices on off for prices seem to be sort of
moving in their favor in that lower part of the market.

Speaker 12 (08:40):
So look, sentiments improved, Mike.

Speaker 13 (08:41):
But as I sort of was talking about yesterday, what
you've got here is another example whether the here and
now is a very different proposition from where people expect.

Speaker 12 (08:50):
Things to be.

Speaker 13 (08:52):
And I suppose I look at the opposing forces here.
You have got the tailwind of lower interest rate the
other interesting factor, and I think Nticola Willis even referred
to this the other day.

Speaker 12 (09:03):
The length at.

Speaker 13 (09:04):
The moment of the average fixed straight mortgage maturity across
all borrowsing zone has come down, and it's quite people
fixing quite short periods. What that means is transmission of.

Speaker 12 (09:14):
Low mortgage rates could be quicker.

Speaker 13 (09:16):
So but leaning against that, you've got lots of stock
out there, lots of inventory to work through. You've got
weaker labor markets. It's probably only tougher before it gets better.
And migrations are factor here tooch because it's turning around,
you know, the people coming into the country is falling,
could potentially go negative flex here Michael on the housing
market for what it's worth. Not an expert, I think
the market will stabilized, but given the volumes of inventory,

(09:39):
large price rises in the short term seem unlikely.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Okay, we'll talk about construction in a couple of moments.
Give us a super quick one on the trichrometer. I
don't like the look of the light one.

Speaker 12 (09:50):
No, we haven't rolled this out for a while. How
is the trucumna rolling? According to A and Z not
a very bouncy spring.

Speaker 13 (09:56):
Both the light traffic Index Heavy traffic Index foul month
on month. So light traffic index good indicator of demand.
It's not going anywhere. Supports the fact that there's probably
more spare capacity.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
In the market, right O. Give us the numbers, sure gang.

Speaker 13 (10:10):
The dal Jones has formed one hundred and sixty six points,
which is forty two thousand, eight hundred ninety eight.

Speaker 12 (10:17):
That's about point four percent.

Speaker 13 (10:18):
The S and P five hundred also down point four
percent five eight three seven, and the Nasdaq is down
almost one percent with an earning season. We'll cover that
off later in the week. The Nasdaq eighteen thousand, three
hundred and thirty six overnight, the fort two one hundred
foul half a percent eight to two four nine. The
nicket was up three hundred and five points. That's got
about three percent three nine nine one oh Shanghai composite.

Speaker 12 (10:42):
That market just.

Speaker 13 (10:43):
Drifting lower down two and a half percent, three to
oh one. The Aussies yesterday gained point seven nine percent
eight thousand, three hundred and eighteen the close there, and
we were up point five eight percent on the NSCs
fifty seventy four points twelve thousand, eight hundred and forty one.
Kei we stable point six toh eight one against the
US and the wholesale markets point nine oh six eight

(11:04):
Ossie point five to five eight three euro point four
six five two pounds nineteen point eight six. Japanese yend
gold is trading at two thousand, six hundred and six.

Speaker 12 (11:13):
And you got the scoop on the aill market, then
you might scoop there.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Give it to me seventy four.

Speaker 13 (11:18):
Dollars twenty three cents, hey, and we'll talk CPI tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
And long may that continue. Nice to see you, Andrew
Keller heard JMO well dot co dot and yet yes,
CPI out later on this morning. Of course, the season
reporting season the States ericson good third quarter beat. Bank
of America had a good result. Overnight Goldman Sachs good result.
Overnight investment banking revenues up twenty percent for them. So
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(11:43):
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Speaker 2 (12:00):
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Speaker 3 (12:04):
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how about a token? Because World Liberty Financial of launched
the Donald Trump Token. They've got one hundred thousand customers waitlisted.
They want to raise about three hundred million dollars. World Liberty.
By the way, I completely sit from Trump media if
you even know what I'm talking about anyway, speaking of
trumpets on stage at the moment with Bloomberg in Chicago
with a guy called Jonathan Mikelthwaite.

Speaker 14 (12:26):
Markets are looking at the fact you are making all
these promises. Latest one was car loans. You're flooding the
thing with I giving giveaways. But I was actually quite
kind to you. I used seven trillion. The upper estimate
is fifteen trillion. People like the Wall Street Journal, who's
hardly a communist organization, but you don't. They have criticized
you on this as well. You are running up enormous debt.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
What is the Wall Street Journal? Now I'm meeting with
them tomorrow.

Speaker 12 (12:51):
What is the Wall Street Journal?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
They've been wrong about everything, so have you. By the way,
you're trying to turn this. You're trying to turn this.

Speaker 14 (12:58):
You're trying to turn You're trying to turn this into debate.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
There are a business of it.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
You're wrong, You've been wrong.

Speaker 15 (13:05):
You've been wrong all your life on this stuff.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
You know what. It works for him because he takes
people on. And that's the difference between him and Harris.
Harris refuses to take people on. He does. There's a
couple of fascinating articles I'll feature later on in the program.
The Democrats are now deeply, deeply worried that she's going
to lose this for exactly what you've just heard. Six
twenty five.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
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Speaker 3 (13:31):
Well, we have a quote unquote new era for the
black Caps beginning this evening in India. In India, of course,
and that's always a problem all by itself. Tom Latham,
first time Test captain. Anyway, social media, clearly some are
thinking about cricket. So some old piece of commentary has
been rediscovered, and you now how they share it and
share it and share it. Turns out now this morning
it's number one trending in this country. So what we've

(13:52):
got is the former Australian cricketer Kerry o'keef and the
former Kiwi cricketer Ian Smith.

Speaker 16 (13:56):
One of seven brothers of co Sharaff Fredi. Other brother
Rheas was a very formidable bowl the thrific first class record.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
You know when he was young.

Speaker 16 (14:06):
If Pakistan lost a Test match, he didn't eat for
two days.

Speaker 12 (14:12):
What did you do when New Zealand lost Smith?

Speaker 3 (14:16):
As a seriously early punch herey o case.

Speaker 17 (14:21):
Wait for forty eight hours more.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Than a jet? By god? Was it Scooby Doo? Was
it Scooby Doo?

Speaker 18 (14:31):
Snightly?

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Mutley? Here was too? It was Mutley? Wasn't it? Test
begins at five PM. I suppose the next question is
does it last five days? Does it go four? Does
it go much past three? These are the questions. Yes, construction.
I alluded this to this with Andrew a moment ago,
so we got some more insight into the constructing sector, supplies,
costs of et cetera. Where are we at. We'll crunch
a few numbers for you, and more scandalous thing's really

(14:54):
starting to unfold from the Solicitor General's office and instruction
on prosecution in our courts.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
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Speaker 3 (15:14):
Mike, could you please make it clear that it was
Andrew Little sending out directives? If it was or is
that Judith? Good question, fair question. It came out of
Andrew Little's This is the Solicitor General and instructions using
a MARI grouping that she relies apparently very heavily on
now to issue new instructions for prosecution that start in
this country's courts as of January next year. It was
out of Andrew Little's justice get together with all the

(15:38):
flash sandwiches. If you remember, Judith is apparently all over this,
which brings in David Seymour, who yesterday had to raise
this issue with the gallery in Wellington because the gallery
weren't interested. The gallery were more interested in too we billboards.
But I'll come back to that later. Another text, Mike
Luxon was pathetic on the Solicitor General yesterday, Steve. I
tend to agree he's got a droll pair, which then

(15:59):
brings us to the poll. Mike. The report by Mikey
Sherman last night on Christoph Luxen was the last straw
for us. We've switched off for good. The cutting and
pasting of his previous comments to mash together in an
accurate story was a blatant effort to discredit him. You
refer to the poll, fifty one percent the majority think
he's out of touch. I defend TV and Z on
the poll. First of all, the question is a stupid question.
It's such a vague as a person in or out

(16:20):
of touch? What does that even mean? But if you
are going to ask the question, what they do have
and I do defend them. Is fifty one percent of
fifty one percent the majority, So you can state with
fact the majority of New Zealanders think the Prime Minister
is out of touch. And that's a powerful statement to make.
So we'll talk to Marke and Jinny about that after
eight twenty two to seven me but more on the
Solicitor General shambles slash scandal in a moment new insight though.

(16:44):
Meantime into where our construction sector is. We've got the
core Lodger Construction Costs Index, so we've gotten uptick for
the Court of the Chairperson of the Combined Building Supplies
co Op. Carl Taylor's with us on this Carl Morning,
Good morning, Mike, how are you well? Thank you mate?
One point one percent rise for the quarter. Is the
small seeds light at the end of the tunnel green shoots,
singing hammers.

Speaker 18 (17:04):
Yeah, we're just starting to see a bit of an
uptake and work. I mean, obviously we've seen that building
consensus the floroughly coming up, but that only counts for
a small portion of the actual workout there. A lot
of guys that have in decks and fences and the
small stuff. They cry and they're really hurting. I'm still

(17:24):
hoping the phones were ringing more, but that's going to
take a fair bit of time.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
I think how much of it's about money, access to
money and might desire to borrow some to build something bigger.

Speaker 18 (17:35):
Yeah. Well, I was saw going to a shareholder yesterday
and he said generally he would normally go to a
thirtier lender lending for his Speck builds, and he's just
starting to see the doors of the banks open a
little more. So I guess what he's saying is that
the banks are coming a bit easier to lend money
to specs. But again, that's going to take twelve months
of seed come back to his market by the time

(17:55):
those Speck builds come back on track.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
So does today for example, and inflation rate in another
cut before Christmas from the Reserve Bank. Does all of
that materially help or is it still a bit early?

Speaker 18 (18:08):
It's still early, but it obviously brings confidence back in
the market. We certainly want to see the phones ring again.
There's liquidations that happen a lot, so anything that helps
the construction economy is certainly going to help the market.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Yeah, okay, so costs are they down or have they
just stopped rising?

Speaker 18 (18:29):
We've got one price increase this week five percent over
a product. But that's the first one I've seen in
a long time. I know, steel prices come down a
fair bit. Jim Plata, I think the key thing here
is hasn't gone up. It just seems the plateaued right off.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Now.

Speaker 18 (18:47):
Labor price. We guys could certainly play with that that's
gone up in the last two years. But if they
played with that, they might get some work. But again,
it's bloody tough out there at the moment.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Exactly here, and here's my problem, because I followed this
really close, because I'm fascinating with housing. The problem you've
had is the cost has gone through the roof and
so even if things have settled now, which they appear
to be, you're still at a cost per square meter
at a ridiculous rate, aren't you. Yeah, I mean, why
would I build? What's the point I'll buy something that's
already there.

Speaker 18 (19:16):
Well, the big thing that's gone up as the land
as we know. If I use one example here in
christ which Preston subdivision two years ago, you get a
section of two fifty for four hundred square meters in
our paying clost to half a million. So what we
were selling for nine hundred, We're now trying to sell
for one three, one four, one five, So people just
don't have that ten to be able to buy them.
So yeah, it a bit of a mongrel, that's for sure, all.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Right, a bit of a mongrel. I like it. Carl,
Well done, appreciate you time very much. Carl Taylor, who
is the chairperson for the Combined Building Supplies, come up
ninety minutes away from seven. Ask how many years have
I been saying on this program that Treasury are useless?
The answer is a lot of years. Anyway, a very
nice piece of writing reading this morning in the Herald
from Thomas Coglan. Treasury have confirmed indeed they are useless.

(20:00):
It all started going wrong apparently last year. Unexpectedly bad
year last year. This is their ability to forecast or
not for years. Said, you might as well use a dartboard,
because how many politicians come on this program going tell
what Treasury has told me? And I go, well, cares
what Treasury is told? He's going to be wrong anyway.
April of last year revised its economic forecast because they
realized that it had all gone wrong. They had submergent
briefings things got worse this year some more forecast revisions.

(20:24):
This creates rights Thomas, something of a nightmare for a government,
no kidding. Last year the agency commissioned to review into
its revenue forecasting, first review of treasury forecasting since two
thousand and five, so just hadn't reviewed themselves for twenty
odd years even though they were getting it wrong. The straw,
writes Thomas, that appears to have broken the camel's back
was the accidental omission of Labour's smoke free Alterhu policy

(20:47):
from the budget of twenty twenty three forecast. Now, the
review into that cock up found the inadvertent emission of
the smoke free plan from the forecast was not the
result of a single point of failure, but it arose
from multiple mister opportunities across the government. So that's code
for everyone was asleep. Read it and weep if you want.
Seventeen to two.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
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Speaker 3 (21:14):
I have to disagree with your assessment of whether the
lux is out of touches for the pole. If you
ask a bunch of left wing voters with low IQ
who are not successful and not wealthy. A leading question
about whether a wealthy person's out of touch and the
cost of living crisis. Of course you're going to get
half of them saying yes, if you crunch down in
the poll, that's exactly right. What you're seeing as people
who support labor, people who support the Greens. Young people

(21:35):
in general think Luxe's out of touch. The older you get,
the less out of touch he is, and the more
right wing you get. And that is true. But the
critical point about a poll is, no matter who the
person is, it's all very well to demmigrate a left
leaning poor person, but they've got as many votes as
the most successful person in the country. That's democracy.

Speaker 19 (21:51):
Fourteen two International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace
of Mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Richard Ald morning to you, what do you make money?
Was they're all in the same state yesterday? Jees? These
poles are tied, aren't they.

Speaker 20 (22:04):
Poles haven't really changed much for months, so it's going
to be like you see the end I reckon. But
when are the US elections? Most would say, you know,
three weeks off. However, someone might want to pass a
reminder on that too. One Donald J. Trump, who told
his latest rally in Pennsylvania that Trump voters need to
turn out.

Speaker 15 (22:21):
He says, tell you if everything works out, if everybody
gets out and votes on January fifth or before, Yeah.

Speaker 20 (22:28):
Don't forget to vote on January the fifth. So he says,
he seventy eight year old former president, oldest man ever
to run for the White House. Kamala Harris's campaigning amid
an economic bounce with the down Jones closing about forty
three thousand yesterday, first time in history, and she is
tutening her rally style. At her latest event, she played
part of Trump's increasingly strong armed style.

Speaker 12 (22:49):
This we have some very bad people.

Speaker 21 (22:51):
We have some sick people, radical left lunatics, and I
think they're the and it should be very easily handled
by if necessary, National Guard or if really necessary, by
the military.

Speaker 20 (23:03):
Harris is saying directly that Trump is quote unstable, unhinged,
and out for unchecked power in quote. She's also reaching
out with a planned interview on Fox News on Thursday,
Your Time, Trump slamming that, saying Fox News has quote
unquote totally lost its way. Harris, as well as reaching
out to controversial podcast to Joe Rogan and offering to
do a chat with him. Meantime, Republican Governor of Virginia,

(23:25):
Glenn Youngkin, took part in what instantly has become a
viral interview with CNNs Jake Tapper, who quizzed him about
the Trump idea of using the National Guard or the
military to go after liberals, including said Trump Democratic Congressman
Adam Schiff. Here is part of it. The governor speaking.

Speaker 22 (23:40):
First, I don't think that he's referring to elect the
people in America.

Speaker 23 (23:45):
But I am.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Literally reading his quotes.

Speaker 24 (23:47):
I'm literally reading his quotes to you, and I played
them earlier so you could hear that they were not
made up by me. He's literally talking about quote, radical
left lunatics. And then one of those lunatics he addressed
he mentioned was Congressman Anna.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
So you're talking about what I'm talking about.

Speaker 24 (24:02):
Donald Trump saying that he wants to use a National
Guard in the military to go after the left.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
That's what he's saying.

Speaker 22 (24:08):
I don't believe that's what he's saying. But listen, you
and I are going to argue about that, but I
would I would suggest if you would al send the
quote and I read it to you.

Speaker 20 (24:16):
Yeah, it goes on that the governor there twisting in
the wind, all.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Right, and then we've got Bob Woodood's boockets out.

Speaker 20 (24:22):
Now it is out today. We've already heard in this
book called War Disclosure that once out of offers, Trump
had phone chats with Russia's pertinently seven such conversations. Now
it some blistering new information about the war.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
In Ukraine.

Speaker 20 (24:35):
Before the Russian invasion, Kamala Harris went one on one
with Ukraine's Zelenski, who at first would not believe the
US intel that the invasion was imminent. Harris was insistent,
telling him the US had this information, would not impost
sanctions on Russia. Yet the punishment could only come after
the crime. She told Zelenski, start thinking about having a
succession plan in place to run the country. If you
are captured or killed, have an escape plan, she said.

(24:57):
You can't decide on the right things to do if
you put ten. This isn't happening. After the invasion. It
seemed that Putin might use tactical nuclear weapons. He hasn't yet.
Biden called him and then had his defense chief deal
with the Russian counterpart.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Says Woodward, what Austin says, I know, we know you're
planning to.

Speaker 9 (25:16):
Use a tactical nucular weapon.

Speaker 22 (25:19):
Don't This will be the consequences, This will change the world.

Speaker 20 (25:26):
This was twenty twenty two. Biden told Russia there is
no scale of nuclear weapons use we could overlook. Defense
Secretary Lloyd Austin told his counterpart, Defense Minister Shoygu they
would isolate Russia on the world stage to a degree
Russia could not even appreciate. Sugar replied that he didn't
like being threatened, said Biden's defense chief, I am the
leader of the most powerful military in the history of

(25:47):
the world. I don't make threats.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Good stuff, all right, Richard, So if I appreciate it,
Richard Land stateside Bob Woodward. One of the great names
of journalism. One another great name, George Nigus oberded overnight,
well late yesterday in Australia, died a year. Watched the
sixty minutes. I think we've all watched Georgia Nigas over
the years, and he lost his battle with a long
running disease at the agat two. Anyway, Steve Price on
that later on this morning, tear Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
The mic hosty breakfast with the range robe of the
Law News talk their I'm.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Just wrapping up in Chicago. Talks a lot these days
about tariffs, China TIFFs and China anyway, talked about cars
as well.

Speaker 15 (26:23):
I put tariffs on China. Told you, I put twenty
seven point five percent. Otherwise we'd be flooded with Chinese
cars and all of our factories with clothes would have
no jobs at all in the auto industry that goes
for electric by the way, which is a killer, which
I've explained, and I don't think I have to bore
anybody by talking about it. But I put tariffs on

(26:44):
South Korea because they were sending in trucks, and I
put tariffs on fairly substantial tariffs. Do you know that
our car companies make almost all of their money with
the small trucks, SUVs and small trucks. If I, if
I took those tariffs on, you would be inundated. Every
car company would be out of business. And I got
calls from Ford, I got calls from everybody saying, sir,

(27:08):
I can't believe you're doing this for us. You saved
our company.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Tell you something for nothing, and you go back to
Catherine on this program yesterday, and I'm the last person
to be talking about intervention. I'm not an interventionist. But
you look at what's happening in the car industry in
Europe and you look at what's happening in the car
industry in America, and they are two completely different stories.
And if you accept that the Chinese government are artificially
banking the car industry, which they are, there is no

(27:33):
way in the world any car company in the world
that's not Chinese can compete. So who's ultimately right? Come on, Mike,
let's look into other politicians background and see what other
companies in real estate they own. I think the public
would be astounded. Well they wouldn't, because there's annualist published
every year and you can look till your heart's content.
The point is Luxeon's the leader, so there's plenty of here.
One of the richest people in parliament's Mike Mitchell. As

(27:55):
far as they can work out, but it doesn't matter
because Mike's not the Prime Minister. Like I am so
bored with the subject of Luxon and his wealth driven
in part by have not lefties. Could we focus in
instead on how he acquired his wealth, who and what
inspired him? Anything but that negativity step. I tend to
agree I'm bored Whitner's. But there is indisputably affixation in

(28:16):
this country, I think, largely driven by the media sadly
into these sort of matters. Four minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
The ins and the Ouse. It's the fizz with business fiber.
Take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Tell you what you can do when your riches by
a cell phone? More cell phones, lots of cell phones.
I've got some tracking this morning. Globally. There are two
brands neck and neck globally for the top market share
in Q three. Who are they? Well, of course their
Apple and Samsung. They both got eighteen percent share of
the market. Apple have got the iPhone sixteen. Samsung have
got the foldables. The problem though, is that the sixteen

(28:52):
was only out for three days of Q three, so
that's probably going to do better in the Q four numbers.
Third place, we got Jomi. It is Yomy, Isn't it?
Is it Yomy? Jaomi fourteen percent of the market. They've
launched the red me Note fourteen and they've got the
fifteen coming fourteen percent share. They're not even in North America,

(29:13):
and they're not in many European markets, you know why.
And Opo they're fourth with nine percent, Vivo they're fifth
with nine percent, and the other thirty two percent of
the market is made up of about eight hundred million
phone companies that you've never heard of. So therese are
fine insight this morning. What does Sharon reckon about the

(29:33):
old CPI today? Sharon zold are out of the A
and Z. Have we tamed the sucker for once and
for all? Therefore, what happens to the cash rate?

Speaker 19 (29:41):
More shortly, the newspakers and the personalities the big names.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
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Speaker 3 (29:54):
B seven past seven, So CPI day today, good old inflation.
The whole plan was to get it back in the
band of one to three percent. Would mean in theory,
the Reserve Bank could continue on its merry way, cutting
the cash rate and freeing up the economy a bit.
So what to expect and its chief economist Sharing's on
the bank with a Sharing good morning, good morning, mat
What you got for as numbers wise, well, actually.

Speaker 25 (30:12):
Most of the domestic analysts are in a pretty tight
band actually, all agreeing that inflation will be around the
two point two to two point three percent year. Ye're
on your mark. That's the same as the Reserve Bank actually,
so there's pretty widespread the expectation that inflation is going
to be not just within the band, but.

Speaker 26 (30:29):
Well within it.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Job done in the job done or not well.

Speaker 25 (30:34):
So details aren't quite as friendly as the headline. Basically,
if you look at the non tradeable domestic part of inflation,
but that reflects wage growth and whether the economy has
been overheated or not. That sort of inflation still expected
to be north of five percent and actually barely lower
than last quarter, so still a way to go in
terms of the sustainability of it all. Rather the fall

(30:56):
in inflation sort of ninety percent of it over the
last year and a bit been driven by tradable inflation,
and that's actually expected to become a negative minus one
point six percent here on you. So that mostly import prices,
so there was a bank can take a bit of
credit for that, and so far as terms than keeping
their prices sharp because consumption is weak because rates are high.

(31:16):
But some of it's a lot more those to do
with things like oil prices, bank of it, Well.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Do we want that sort of balance of what you
say is correct because a lot of the non tradable stuff,
there's councils, insurance, things like that, and I don't know
that that's necessarily getting attended to, is it. And if
that's going to be the case, aren't we still in
an element of trouble?

Speaker 25 (31:35):
Yeah, the council rates are expected to be up thirteen
percent in the quarter. That would actually be the highest
quarterly increase in rates since late nineteen eighty seven. So
some of that is related to past time inflation in
the economy, things like construction costs and wage costs that
you know, there's obviously a lag when it comes to
things like rates, but some of it stuff that there's

(31:57):
a bank really can't do much about at all. Infrastructure needs,
that sort of thing, but they can reasonably expect that
that sort of thing plus insurance costs would be another
one that those will reduce. Well, not prices weren't fall,
but the inflation rate will fall over time. So as
long as the core inflation's falling, then I think they
think they can be pretty relaxed about that, Probably more

(32:20):
relaxed than rate players about those high increases because they
will they're not going to stop inflation from being in
targeted over nine.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Okay, so fifty or seventy five in November, we're picking.

Speaker 25 (32:32):
Fifty most everybody is, but obviously this is a really
important checkpoint on that front. We've also got labor market
data just three weeks before that decision, so the market's
weighing up whether it'll be fifty or seventy five. They're
pricing in a little bit more than fifty, but a
seventy five point cut that does have more than a

(32:52):
whisk of emergency at data state that I think it'll
come down to whether they think, why do we need
to cut seventy five or why not cut seventy five?
And the outlook for inflation will have a lot to
do with that, because the ocr the official cash rate's
still clearly at contractionary levels. But yeah, I think sittytide

(33:14):
would be a pretty big deal. It's not something you
see very often. So of course we did see sidneyside
those point hypes on the way up, and we do
also have a twelve week gap between them and in
the meeting and the February one, so you could actually
argue in that regard that a fifty point cut would
be a slowing down and the.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Past of easy exactly. It's interesting, all right, Chhar, appreciate
your expertise as almost Sharon's on and it's the chief Economists.
When I say interesting, I mean it's broadly interesting. I'd
rather not be in the middle of it run by idiots.
But you know here we are eleven minutes past seven, Pasky,
the debate have a compulsory Ta kung A marii lessons
for law students. So we've talked about this on the
program before Riches Parliament Today King's Council Garry Judd's taking

(33:50):
his fight to the Government Regulations Review Select Committee. Now
he argues the Council of Legal Education and stepping outside
it's remit by forcing non proper law subject on students
and garies back with us. Gary, morning to you moning Mark.
Since we last talked, what sort of reaction have you got?

Speaker 27 (34:08):
Well, I think the people are becoming more and more
understanding of the fact that we have an activist of
politically activist judiciary at the moment. This of course is
not all judges, but some of them seem to have
gained the view that instead of being there as impartial

(34:32):
deciders of a particular case, they are there to make
an unmake law, which of course is the province of Parliament. Now,
this committee, the Regulation Review Committee, has the ability to
send a very strong signal that this is not acceptable

(34:53):
by disallowing regulations which have been passed by the Council
of Legal Education to make Teacunger compulsory for law students
and to infuse tea Kunger into all aspects of our
legal system. Now, if the Committee decides that it should

(35:15):
move a resolution in the House to disallow these regulations,
it will be seeming a powerful signal to those who
should hear it that this is not acceptable. Well, if,
on the other hand, they decide not to do anything,
they will essentially be seen as giving the green light

(35:37):
correct to what is ready as political active does it.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Here's my problem, Gary, I talked to the Prime Minister
about something very similar yesterday. The Solicitor General's Instructions for
Prosecution in the Court says of January this year he
ran for the hills. He says, it's all independent, it's
not about me. There's nothing I can do. I don't
like the sound of it. Why wouldn't the Committee say
the same thing today? All the courts don't want to
touch them.

Speaker 27 (35:57):
Well, well they do, but I think this actually is
a watershed moment for Parliament if they don't do anything.

Speaker 26 (36:08):
This is the point that I'm making.

Speaker 27 (36:09):
If they don't do anything, they will be seen to
be giving the green light to the sort of activism
and it is very very damaging to New Zealand socially,
but not just socially but also economically. Because tea hunger
is a sort of a flexible.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Type of it's interpreted. You can like it, you can
interpret it any way you like.

Speaker 27 (36:34):
It's not really law at now. You know, for accustom
to the over hundreds of years, it's been the law
that we're built up that for a custom to be
accepted as a law, it had to be certain and consistent,
it had to be reasonable, and it had to be
not repugnant to justice and morality. Now, what the Supreme

(36:57):
Court has said is that tea Kunger cannot satisfy those tests.
Therefore the tests have to change. I mean, it really
is an unbelievable situation because if the judges were doing
their job properly, they would have said those things had
required before the custom can be recognized as law. Ta

(37:18):
Kunger cannot satisfy those requirements. Therefore, we rejected the notion
of Ta Kung of being part of the law.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
You were one hundred percent correct, Gary, But whether or
not you'll get that across the line today is going
to be a great fascination to me. So I appreciate
your time very much, Gary. Judcase see the irony of
him is that Roger Partridge in the New Zealand Initiative
write a very insightful report or release of very insightful
report today on the creep we're seeing within the Supreme Court.
And we'll get stuck into that in about twenty minutes
times seven to fifteen.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
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Speaker 3 (37:53):
B seventeen past seven. Small delay in Wellington this morning
on the rail yet again there was a seal on
the tracks. I don't make the stuff up. There was
a seal on the tracks and they thought about getting
a lot of buses in because they didn't want to
I don't know, move the seal, but anyway, the seal
then moved and so the trains are back running and
so there's a lot of people, you know, blah blah.
I didn't think it would be a big problem because
I didn't think anyone went into the office in Wellington.

(38:13):
But maybe that edict from the government actually worked anyway.
HOSPO eighteen past seven. If HOSPOW wasn't hard enough, we
now have ourselves in el Fresco debates. So council's raking
it in from business through outdoor fees Queenstown. There's a
claim the outdoor overheads and more than the restaurant's rent
towrong and having trouble as well. Hospoit, New Zealand CEO
Steve Armitage toward the Steve Morning.

Speaker 28 (38:33):
Good morning bike.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
This old sitting on the street. For those of us
who've been around a while, we've argued for this for
the years. Is this just a land slash money grab
for councils who were short of doe at the moment.

Speaker 28 (38:43):
Yeah, I think you've covered over a long period of
time the predicament of the local government faces. They've got
significant cross pressures and obviously limited ability to raise revenue.
But you know, public spaces, give restaurants, cafes and bars
a chance to expand their businesses and to attract customers
that had benefits for the hospitality businesses. So when arguing
against paying fair charge to use public space, but a

(39:03):
hospitality businesses just can't weather these increases at this current time.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Around. Is there variability around the country, I mean, do
they make it up as they go along?

Speaker 28 (39:14):
Yeah, there is variability, and as you've highlighted, obviously there's
been a bit of a focus on tot on it.
But Queenstown's where we're seeing most acutely. And one of
our members, theere is, highlighted that their annual costs have
gone up from three thousand, two hundred dollars a year,
so more than fifty one thousand. That's sixteen thousands correct.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
How many tables and chairs they have on the footpath
they have to sell.

Speaker 28 (39:37):
They're telling us they're having to sell another sixty thousand
drinks per year just to pay that off common for
a week. Yeah, it's hard to get your head around.
And as I say, there's no approach to this in
a graduated sense. So it's just people are getting their
renewed licenses and being hit with us in one and
it's going to hollow out it cities and town centers.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
And they don't The councils don't see the value of
having you know, I don't know successful businesses in their area,
et cetera. It's just a money grabs.

Speaker 28 (40:11):
It's hard to see it in the other way. But
as we all understand the cost pressures that the local
government's facing, they're finding it hard to generate revenue. But
there has to be a common sense approach to this.
You can't just do this in one time.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Even going look, I know you want to charge me
six bucks for my coffee, but I'm a bit tight
at the moment, say look I'll give you three and
you go okay. I mean, that's not how it works.
You don't just go around, you know, making bills up
depending on what your mood is or what your bank
balance is.

Speaker 28 (40:37):
No, so it'd be fascinating for you to get the
relevant baluncels on to explain the process that they've undertaken
you because the consultation has been a pretty shambolic.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Okay, all right, we will. Actually it's a very good challenge.
Sam onto it. Please, counsels, Let's get some Let's get some.
Wait till I get to the Solicitor General in our
interaction with that particular office yesterday. That's a story all
by itself. Steve Vartage. There by the way, hospitality in
New Zealand right luck and there's he out of touch
or not more shortly seven twenty.

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it with prime ministers and houses? A Our prime minister
has one of his rentals on the market, having sold
another one recently, along with his apartment in Wellington Rope.
I have not mentioned any of this because I don't
think it matters. Wealth is comparative. Wealth, if well earned

(42:14):
as opposed to one or inherited, should be encouraged. And
if you have worked hard and you've got some houses,
or some savings, or some shares or some companies, good
luck to you. I would go further and suggest if
you have earned your wealth, that might indicate you have
a sense of how to run things, a quality we might,
I don't know, want to see more of in our
leaders Wellington. Anyone, poor old alban Easy across the ditch,

(42:36):
according to yesterday's media, has made a dreadful, dreadful mistake. He,
like our prime minister has a house. In fact, he
has a new house. One headline read there is nothing
safe about buying a house on a cliff in the
middle of a housing crisis. The article followed it was
not complementary. Then another headline alban Easy defends decision to
buy cliff top house, and so it went. The problem

(42:58):
is the house is a bit flash as they say.
It cost a bit over four million bucks. Now four
million in New South Wales is up there, but you
can spend fifty and indeed the most expensive house this
year has just gone on the market at one hundred million.
But none of that matters. What matters is Old Elbow
has four million for a place with a view and
that's not fair. So what is fair? How many houses

(43:20):
can lux and known before it's not a good look.
A lot of talk about optics in Australia yesterday. What
is acceptable when it comes to optics? Is it the
number of houses or the size of the house, or
the cost of the house or the views the house has?
Are you allowed to pull? When did we become obsessed
with the measure of money and what it says about
your ability to do a job? Did you elect Elbow

(43:40):
to run the country or not? Or did you elect
him to look optically correct? Is Luxen there to fix
our economic crisis or write op eds for one roof?
In rough measure, the ability to find four million for
a cliff top home or a handful of rentals represents
some kind of success. I've always thought success was kind
of good to be supported and encouraged. And I know
quite a few people who could raise four million dollars

(44:02):
for a house and I think no less of them
because they have a bobb or too. Normally, when people
do well, we like it. Why is it different with
publicly elected officials? Pasking there we come to Paul Goldsmith,
who may or may not be about to do with
something about the New Zealand Film Commission, who went to
cawn As in the film festival and they spend one
hundred and forty five thousand dollars for four staff members.
That a lot of money. I don't think that's a

(44:23):
lot of money for four people where I did go.
That's interesting for accommodation twenty four thousand dollars, twenty one
thousand dollars for travel for four people to get to
the other side of the world. If you've seen. The
price of an air ticket is not the end of
It's about six thousand dollars, so I'm guessing at that
level they probably flew premium. As an economy. They did
spend twenty four grand on food and drink, and I

(44:45):
thought that's a lot of money for food and drink.
They spent more on food than they spent on air
fares orccommodation. I'm thinking something went wrong there. They defend
themselves both say they had a huge number of meetings.
By our account, they had as many as ten meetings
a day, and meetings, in my personal experience, are generally
a waste of time. Nevertheless, they had a lot of meetings,
but one hundred and forty five thousand dollars, I don't
know that that's necessarily the end of the world. What's

(45:05):
more important is the Supreme Court and their creep. More shortly, the.

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Speaker 3 (45:19):
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minutes away from it, we got awarding this morning from
the New Zealand Initiative, a constitutional crisis is looming now.
The issue is the interventionism of the Supreme Court. Decisions
have come into question with legal scholars, practitioners and politicians
raising concerns. So what are we going to do? New
Zealand Initiative chair and senior fellow Roger Partridge is well,

(45:39):
it's Rodger're very good morning to you.

Speaker 29 (45:41):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
I'm glad somebody's finally got on to this because this
has been concerning me for absolutely ages. Is it the
individual group of judges currently at the Supreme Court level
that we just happened to have got some sticky beaks,
or is it the court itself or is it a movement?

Speaker 29 (46:00):
Well, it's a little bit of all three. It's more
the it's more the current judges. We've always had activist
judges within our senior courts. The movement has gained momentum
over the last few years and so we're seeing a

(46:20):
court that's much more active, activist and to the point
where we're at the ban point.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Right, does the government, being the top court ultimately at
the end of the day, not counter whatever they may
or may not do. Well.

Speaker 29 (46:36):
The report is a call for them to do that.
Parliament's most blunt response, where it is the court's taking
the law off in a direction that's not consistent with
what Parliament intended, or is in a direction Parliament doesn't
agree with. It's mostly instruments to pass legislation, getting the
law back on track, and it's unquestionably in Parliament's mandate

(47:02):
to do that and it should do.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Do you think Parliament's afraid? I refer to yesterday's interview
with Christopher Luxen and the Solicitor General, and he ran
and it's not the first time he's done it. He's
run for the hills. He argues, they're independent, I can't
touch them. Are they afraid in that sense?

Speaker 29 (47:18):
Well, I think there's a bit of feeling out about
the boundaries and Parliament's prerogative to intervene when the Court
goes off in what steers out of this vein. I
suppose it's a good metaphor and the report is a
pall to Parliament. It's your job to set the law straight.
As our constitution, democratically elected Parliament is the supreme court. Really,

(47:45):
it's above the court in our legal hierarchy, and it's
absolutely Parliament's prerogative to determine the direction of a law,
and Parliament should intervene when it sees the court's very
away from what's parliament sintend do.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
How much of what they're doing interventionally speaking, is race
based versus legally generally.

Speaker 29 (48:09):
I think it's legally generally. It's a misguided view that
well at first gets the excessive license they've granted themselves
to reinterpret partans words. That's the first concern, And up
until the mid two thousands, our Supreme Court was expercising
more constraint than other sports of the world. That's been

(48:30):
thrown aside over the last few years. So that's the
first thing. And the second thing is they've decided that
the proper approach to the common law, the body of
principles made up by decided cases over centuries. They've decided
it's their prerogative to take the common law on a
journey to match the current judges views of society's changing values.
Now that politicizes the judiciary, it means they're substituting their

(48:55):
own values. The riskers they're perceived as substituting their own
values for those of the common law, and it's obvious
that they're not equipped to do that, and they're not
democratically accountable for those decisions in the way that Parliament is.
And so it's Parliament's job to step in and to

(49:17):
ensure that the court's exercise restrained. And we've set out
a menu of five things the Parliament can do, including
parsing specific legislation, overturning adberrant court decisions, but also setting
in place some guardrails against judicial overreach, and then some
institutional reforms to the way judges are appointed.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Also, we had Gary Judd earlier on this morning a
case he was going to a Select committee today and
he's worried about Ta Kanger being put into law studies.
If those sort of things come through, If you get
a thing like tea hunger and law studies, and then
people graduate having studied tea kunger, and it's open to
a tremendous amount of interpretation, That open to interpretation approach
goes into more courts than up through to I mean,
you're asking for endless amounts of trouble, aren't you.

Speaker 29 (49:59):
Well has always been a place for tit hunger in
our law, and so I don't think the problem is
so much tea hunger. It's the Supreme court's approach to it.
In the common law, custom and tea hunger is a
form of custom has always been a source of law.
So I don't think the issue is so much tea hunger.

(50:20):
It's the issue is the court's approach.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
The rationale of my question is that if you're open sea,
so I mean, if you deal with guilty not guilty,
it seems to be relatively black and white. But once
you start interpreting the law, the more interpretational mechanisms of
interpretation you allow yourself, the looser you can become if
you're an interventionist. Isn't that fair?

Speaker 29 (50:40):
That's right? And a critical requirement of laws is that
they're consistent and predictable. That's the fundamental requirement of the
rule of law. That and impartial courts. So yes, the
common law has developed quite good tests for determining when
customs have the status and the certainty necessary to be
recognized as more. In the LUs case, the Court throughout

(51:05):
the common law test and has left us for this quagma.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
We've now got you seem to have well, not you.
We seem to have a couple of problems. One, do
we accept that what the Supreme Court doing is unacceptable
or acceptable. If we accept it as being unacceptable, then
who does something about it?

Speaker 4 (51:20):
I e.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
The Parliament? And then your second problem, do they have
the wherewithal the gonads or the spine to actually look
at your suggestions and do something about them?

Speaker 29 (51:29):
Well, I think unquestionably that they do, and I would
expect some of the recommendations and hopefully all of them
to be implemented.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Jeez, I hope you're right. Roger appreciate it. Si'm Roger Partridge,
New Zealand Initiative chair and senior Vella. So it's a
very important report that gets released today and the Latensmith podcast,
by the way, I can allerd you to this now
he looks at length and talks with Roger at length
because the report is by Partridge, the chairman of the
New Zealand Initiative of course, over the overreach, the activism

(52:02):
and so on, and so Layton looks into this in
this latest podcast. So I would recommend if you want
an extended and more detailed view of it than we've
been able to provide this morning, then that's the place
you should head. Seventeen to two.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
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Speaker 3 (52:23):
Where it's fourteen away from eight, which brings me. It's interesting.
We've developed a sort of a theme on the legals
this morning, but the gallery let us down yesterday, as
in the political Gallery, and it's part of my growing
dismay at the industry. Unfortunately, I've made my living at
for forty three years, so bad was it yesterday. So
we've raised on this program the Solicitor General's guidelines for
prosecution to the police as of next year, and the

(52:45):
Solicitor General, as we revealed on the program yesterday, relies
on among others, a Natonu Night, a Natonu Nis, a
group that was set up in twenty eighteen under the
auspices of Andrew Little, who had a big get together
and these activists decided they didn't like the justice system,
so they had meeting and they formed a group to
recognize the justice system as a settler colonial and to
be again decolonizing the injustice system. And those are the

(53:08):
people who advise the Solicitor General, who then goes on
and writes to the prosecution to think carefully when you
run into some people who might have had some previous
trouble with the judicial process. In other words, it's all
race based. So we asked the Prime Minister about this,
and this is a scandal. So does the gallery pick
up the story and run with it and ask a
few politicians when they return to the Parliament yesterday, Know

(53:29):
they do not What are they asking politicians about? Well,
they're asking about towy billboards, of course, because that's what
gallery journalists do these days, because none of them have
any institutional knowledge or any interest in real news anymore.
So bad does it get that David Seymour is standing
on the black and white tiles being interviewed by the media,
suddenly goes, I'm actually surprised, quote unquote, I'm actually surprised
that there's not more people asking. When he sees not

(53:50):
more people asking, there was actually no one asking asking
about these prosecution guidelines. They're totally inconsistent with the values
of a civilized country where everyone is equal before the law.
They're totally inconsistent with this government's commitment to need not race,
which is part of the coalition commitment. We've raised it
with Judith Collins, who says she's all over it and
we look forward to her acting on what seems to

(54:12):
be a pretty egregious breach of the foundational principles of
the country Press gallery at that point, and they go
now back to the billboards. I don't make that part up.
Back to the billboards. That's what the gallery unfortunately have
sunk to. And that is why, yet again, why do
New Zealand view the media the way they do, with
the level of distrust they do. You've got a genuine

(54:32):
story here, if not a scandal, and you can cut
it two ways if you want one. Do you agree
with race based policy or not? You can ask about that.
And even if you do agree with race based policy
and you think it's fantastic that Murray get a better deal,
what you can ask the government about is why did
they promise a whole bunch of stuff they've not delivered
one or the other. Take you pick. I don't care
Judith Colin, she's off shore, will be talking to us

(54:54):
next week when she gets back. So, of course, as
the Prime Minister said quite rightly on the program yesterday,
you would need to asked the Solicitor General about that.
I thought not a bad idea. I mean, we'd obviously
already thought of it. So we rang it would that
make a good toy billboard?

Speaker 14 (55:07):
Though probably as the media, yes said, the media is
doing a great job in this country.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah right, you should call the Solicitor General and talk
to her about it. Yeah right. So anyway, we call
the Solicitor General's office, and the advantage that we have
with me is that I get to the office relatively early,
because of course, one of the first things you can
you can do is say, oh, no busy today, No problem,
I'm here at three. What time shall we make at three, three, ten, three, fifteen, three,
twenty three, forty four, ten, four point thirty, et cetera.

(55:36):
So they came back and they eventually said to us
that she wasn't available for an interview at the moment.
So we went back and we said, well, okay, what's
that the moment mean? Well, they said this week I mean,
and it is to be fair, it was Tuesday, so
you only got Wednesday, Thursday, Friday to go. So we're
backing things up a little bit. We said, no problem,
how about next week any time you like? From three

(55:58):
in the morning on. They came back to us to said, quote,
it looks like the Solicitor General are not available next
week or any week. They didn't say any week. I'm
making that part up, but my guess is the solicitor
General's never going to be made available. And so there's
your problem. So you go to scandal brewing. No one's accountable,
and the one people or one person or one group

(56:20):
that is, i e. The politicians, they're running for the
hills and the gallery. Of course again now back to
the twey billboards, and you wonder why we are where
we are? Nine away from it?

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Speaker 30 (56:49):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Morning, morning, Mike. Are you an inventor? Is that what
you do? Or not? Really?

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Uh? What?

Speaker 26 (56:57):
In a definition of the sense, you could say.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
What's that I should have? I should I've done this
all wrong? What's it look like to start with giving
or on radio.

Speaker 26 (57:06):
Ah, So cap snapp very simply. You can imagine it
as a cross between a bottle opener and a craft knife,
right if you're trying to visualize what it looks like.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
And what are you trying to do with a vial?
Are you trying to stop it being broken? Or are
you stopping me getting cut?

Speaker 26 (57:22):
So the vials that have to be snapped in half
in order to get the medicatching out, you have to
break those open, and there's no avoiding vamp. But this
tool hopes to help do that without katting yourself in
the process.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Okay, And if I need to get a cap off something,
that tool does the same thing as well. So it's
a two in one.

Speaker 26 (57:41):
Yeah, it's a two for one works just like a
bottle opner. It said that can adjust to different sizes
because the medical crimpsile vials come across and a range
of sizes from betty bitty to pretty big.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Is it constructively or industrially complex?

Speaker 26 (57:56):
No, So the hope is to get it as easy
here and mechanically simple as possible. That way, it's cheaper
and easier to make.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Wow, and does it work every time?

Speaker 17 (58:05):
It's it foolproof, So it's not completely full proof, but
we're trying to work to get the fails down as
much as possible with those caps.

Speaker 26 (58:16):
But the vile side of things is pretty pretty consistent.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
And how did you go from the eye? Because I
get the idea, you think, right, I need something to
be able to solve this problem. I get that part.
How difficult was it to one design and to get
somebody to make it well?

Speaker 26 (58:31):
The design process, you know, there were ups and downs,
but ultimately working through the steps with the clinician too,
having the problem, where would it come to something with
not too much trouble in the end?

Speaker 3 (58:44):
If you win this, do you get to monetize it
and the ticket or you don't know or you don't care,
or you do it now?

Speaker 26 (58:50):
Rich the James Dyson Award, they if I were to
take out sort of the top spot, they would put
forward a big amount of money to sort of inject
into the project in the hope that it would assist
with the commercialization process.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
That's fantastic. You got a dice in vacuum.

Speaker 26 (59:09):
I don't split a puff my budget at the moment.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
We'll see when you win the big prize, you can
get yourself a diceon vacuum and you can put this
out on the Do you dream of commercializing in that sense?

Speaker 26 (59:18):
I would really like to get it into Question's hands
so it can actually help them actually solve the problem.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Fantastic.

Speaker 26 (59:25):
I think that'd be great.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Yeah, good on your Jack will go well with it,
Jack Pugh. I hate to talk to somebody who's that
bright who doesn't have a Dison vacuum. Dyson, give them
a vacuum, for God's sake. How do you get to
be a finalist in a Dison contest and you haven't
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Speaker 31 (01:00:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
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and she had been around for twenty five years. I'm
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doesn't time fly The Captain was the original album. Anyway,
she hasn't done anything for six years, and that comes
to the warning of this album. She may sound a

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bit more content on these songs than she did in
her younger years, which can probably be chalked up to
the wisdom of experience. Same Morning goes for this program.
There's a Nate Minister in there. Lose Yourself. She's live
at the Civic. That's what happens. I watching that Billy
Joel Constant the other night on whatever. I've watched it
on Netflix or Neon or wherever it was. That's the
great thing about concerts. At concerts, they do different versions

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of the songs, and sometimes they're brilliant. Piano man was
brilliant and Lose Yourself Live at the Pacific gave and
heard that one but at eight minutes and fifteen and
better hope it's brilliant. Otherwise people are going, God, that's
been going on a bit longer time for politics Wednesday,
Jinny Anderson as well as along with Mike Mitchell, Good morning.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Good morning, Mike, Good morning. Growth.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Now, Jinny, are you sending a bit down Ginny, something
going wrong this morning? What's happened there?

Speaker 32 (01:01:30):
No, I'm good right, I've had my coffee.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Here's the story. How many in the morning do you have?

Speaker 32 (01:01:35):
Only try to have one.

Speaker 23 (01:01:37):
I'm rather hyperactive already, so I keep it to two
and not anymore after one o'clock in the afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Yeah, very wise. What about you, matte Well?

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
I admired Jenny, because at the end of the day,
when you wake up in the morning and realize you're
in the labor party, have.

Speaker 32 (01:01:50):
You done that much?

Speaker 23 (01:01:52):
You wake up and thank you for the labor party?
That's delusional.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Imagine if you wake up in the morning marking too much?

Speaker 32 (01:02:00):
Give him that.

Speaker 23 (01:02:00):
It's term much more than a bloody coffee to Copravada,
I reckon.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Now, Ginny, do you believe Karen macinaughty when he doesn't
want to be the leader of the party?

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
I do?

Speaker 23 (01:02:10):
Indeed I did too. Kiaren is a great guy, but
he does not have leadership ambitions, even though the media
love to keep asking a man he simply does not exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
I believe him, that is word. I believe him, and
I believe Barbara Edmonds when she says it's never going
to happen that. So the question then is what about you, Genny,
do you have leadership aspirations? Who's going to replace Chippy?

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Absolutely not me.

Speaker 32 (01:02:33):
No, I'm I'm very happy with my life the way
it is.

Speaker 23 (01:02:37):
I very much enjoy the areas I work in, and
I love working as part of a great team.

Speaker 32 (01:02:42):
So no, I have no ambition in saying Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
So the fifty four percent you think you should stay,
that's probably fair because I wonder, and I wonder if
you can answer this question apolitically. Is part of the
reason he's still there, apart from the fact he probably
wants to be there, is that you don't have anybody
obvious to replace him when the time comes.

Speaker 23 (01:03:00):
My view is that he is the best one for
the job. When you see him in question time yesterday,
when you see how quick he is on his feet
and how able he is in the house and to
respond to issues and to know where to take us next.
He's the only one really in our team with those
skills and that ability any experience. Well, Mar's had a

(01:03:23):
couple of cracks himself at running for leaderships and he's
failed on those, So maybe he would give us some
better advice on what it's like to have a.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Crack wellout you dominating the segment, Jinny, because I seem
to have got my question line all muddled up here
this morning. But as a local MP, should somebody do
something about Wellington Council.

Speaker 23 (01:03:41):
Look, it does seem to be problematic in terms of
some of those decisions and the way they've gone. I
really do think though the way that Simeon and Luxon
have reacted, that this is kind of distraction politics. It's
just not at that level yet of having to put
in a commissioner or do total or when you think
about Gore and the the young mere down there, I
mean that even never got close to that, even.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Though all the but that's because it's not the capital.

Speaker 23 (01:04:07):
Yes, but I don't it's not at that point anywhere near.
And my my thoughts are the reason why they're stirring
this up is because there's no theories and everyone's here
is really annoyed that the one decided it's not no
decision and there's no decision taken on that. And I
still think this is distraction politics to take people's attention.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Okay, fair enough, and Mark, you are wealthy, I'm led
to believe this is correct.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Well, it's all relative. I mean, I've got a big mortgage.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Have you got how many towns has you got?

Speaker 32 (01:04:43):
That's what it says on the pecuniary. Interesting is that
you've got.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
To have you been reading the pecuniary interest list again.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
I'm telling you what she stalks me. There's no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
About how many you got?

Speaker 32 (01:04:56):
How many does you how many do you have?

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
I've got seven properties, I've got e Sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Okay, so you're comparatively speaking wealthy? Is it important? Because
I just can't get past the subsession we seem to
have in this country that Luckxin's got a couple of flats.
He's trying to fleck off and suddenly he's out of touch.
And how the two correlate or join together because you're
wealthier than luxon is my guess, and we don't seem
to care about that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
Well. I mean, for me, just from a young guy,
when I first joined the police at twenty, I just
saved hard and I decided that I wanted to invest
my money and property. And that's been over thirty years.
But you know I still have mortgages. I still have
to I still have to worry about servicing those I've
been hit like everyone else with interest rates rises and
those sorts of issues. Everyone will make their own decisions

(01:05:43):
in terms of how they save and how they plan
for the future. Mine has been through property. I don't
have shares, I don't have anything else. It's just quite
simply being property.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
But are you out of touch because you're wealthy?

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
No, absolutely not. And I don't look. This is just
to me. This is the most stupid debate that we
have in this country. What is the missage that we're
sending to our kids. I spent ten years in the
Middle East, where they celebrated success, they helped people up.
They wanted to see them successful. In New Zealand, for
some reason, we've still got this tall poppy syndrome. Were
you cut people off at the knees because they want

(01:06:15):
to be successful, they work.

Speaker 32 (01:06:18):
I'd like to speakuous. There's a point.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Actually, can you hold on two seconds, have us a coffee.
We'll come back to this. I've got to get the ends.
Thirteen minutes past.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
It be sixteen past day Politics Wednesday, Mark Metell, Ginny
Anderson Jinny, you're going to raise the subsidy thing.

Speaker 23 (01:06:37):
No, I was just I was going to point out
that I don't think there's anything wrong with working hard,
saving and doing well. And you know, when I was
a waitress, we can countdown and a waitress from when
I was fifteen and when I was nineteen, I bought
a house on my own. So and that's helped set
me up. And so we believe as a party that
you should be able to work hard and save up

(01:06:58):
and buy a house and do well. The problem with
lux And is he sees things like I'm rich and
I'm sorted or I don't see.

Speaker 32 (01:07:06):
It, and then it's just let me finish, let me finish.
It's those words. It's those words.

Speaker 23 (01:07:12):
At a time when New Zealanders are spending heaps on
red and groceries and they're really struggling and they're looking
for a leader for some hope or some inspiration, and
all he talks about is his own comfortableness. And that's smart.
That hurts, and so that's the point he's running it.
It feels like he's he's got more than what.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Let me address it. Not once does he ever raise
or talk about his own personal situations. And it's when
you raise it and when you get stories in the media,
the media that I just said that all when the
stories in the media about it. So he doesn't talk
about it at all.

Speaker 32 (01:07:52):
He talks about being a businessman all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
He does talk about that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
Let me ask you this, there's successful.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Let me ask you Mark, let me ask you this.
Elbow yesterday buys a four point something million dollar house
and he's he's taking the same heat at the moment
that Luxen is for whatever reason, do you need to
be smarter about it? In other words, rightly or wrongly?
If you're going to be the prime minister of this country,
you can't flaat wealth, be seen to be wealthy in
any way, shape or form, or you know, what do

(01:08:21):
you do about it? I mean, you can't fifty one
percent think he's out of touch.

Speaker 21 (01:08:25):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
The problem with that is that's real.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Yeah, And as Kiwi's naturally, as part of who we are,
as Kiwi's, we don't form that sort of stuff. We don't.
We're not out there talking about it all the time.
There's the odd person is but and he doesn't do that.
But what we should be doing, as kewis is this,
especially for our kids, we should be encouraging them to
get a good education and to aspire to do well
in life, to work hard and to do well in life,
and not continue to see to send a message that

(01:08:51):
if you do well in life, you're going to get pillared,
you're going to get attacked, and you're going to get
criticized for it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
See this is where I find see Jimmy theft is
he doesn't come he doesn't come from. And here's the
interesting thing, Jenny, I find Key got away with it,
and Key was wealthier than anybody, and he's seem to
get away with it. But Luxon's being picked on. And
I just can't work out why your argument would be
because he goes I'm rich and I'm sorted.

Speaker 23 (01:09:13):
It's because he's not genuine about it. He doesn't seem
like he cares about New Zealanders. And it doesn't help
by him saying I don't care, so people feel like
he just wants the top job to say he's done
it and take a box. He's not there for the people.
And the guy in the coffee cart at the Hut
market said it to me, who's a voter national and
voted labor in the past, he said, it feels like
they don't care about me. They just care about their mates,

(01:09:36):
and that's the impression he's giving to New Zealanders.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
Well, well, I just completely reject that. I mean, of
course he's got lots of options in terms of what
he could do, but I'll tell you what he is.
He's out there working twelve hour days, slogan's guts out,
making hard decisions that the previous government weren't prepared to
make to get us as a country on a better track.
I've got huge admiration for him. I've got hom in
the privileged position that I get to work with him day.

(01:10:00):
He is an outstanding man. When people meet him, they're
left with that impression. But you know, here's your problem,
March trade through the media.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Here's your problem. Just no, no, no, here's your problem.
That line was used at the very start of his campaign,
which was we haven't met him. We don't know him.
When you meet him, you like him. I think he's
met everybody, because you can't fault him for not working hard.
But at fifty one percent, the media is entitled after
a poll to goo the majority because it is don't
think he's in touch and that politically, rightly or wrongly,

(01:10:32):
is a problem, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Well, at the end of the day, people are going
to form their own views. I mean that is politics.
But the reality is this is that even though he
is busy and is around the country, he's been with
me in toneed recently, he's still only meeting a very
small percentage of kiwis because it's just physically impossible to
get him in front of everyone. But I would say
if you went round and spoke to people that he's
One of the biggest challenges with Chris is getting him

(01:10:56):
away from people because he's actually interested. He wants to
listen to them. Trying to get him to a next
event or move on something's virtually impossible because he's actually
genuinely interested in care because he wants to know their
back stories. He wants to know how they're being impacted.
You know. For the example, in Dunedin the other day,
we're walked through the airport. He stopped for twenty minutes.
He was talking to a young couple about the education

(01:11:16):
and they had two children and what we're doing to
make the changes. You've got to remember that that we've
inherited a situation where education is a mess or public
safety is a mess. You know, the economy is a mess.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Which at this up, let me put this to you
as part of what Mark's saying. Correct, Peter said it yesterday.
When you've had a honeymoon of one second and you
get an economy the way they have, that's why people
don't necessarily like him, because he's not delivering. There's something
in that, isn't there.

Speaker 23 (01:11:45):
Every other perm I have seen, and I can record,
had some kind of a honeymoon period, had some kind
of a time where they were up high in the polls,
and he never got that. And I think it speaks
to something about either the way he appeals to New Zealanders,
the way he comes across.

Speaker 32 (01:12:01):
But people don't warm to him.

Speaker 23 (01:12:03):
He seems like he's out of touch, and that's coming
through a fifty one percent say that in the polls.
So it doesn't matter how many people he talks to
or how much.

Speaker 32 (01:12:12):
He says about there was a mess before.

Speaker 23 (01:12:14):
If he really believes in personal responsibility, then he needs
to start owning up and taking responsibility for his own governments.
To say what you got and we still let me finish.

Speaker 32 (01:12:23):
You had a big gout. He's still not let me finish.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
My hospital pass from.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Leave me finished.

Speaker 23 (01:12:29):
Mark, that's not fear. You had a big go He's
still not taking responsibility and trying to pass the buck
and blame the last government. Can we see through that
and they think that he's not a real deal.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Got to monter you guys appreciate a good discussion. Mark Mitchell,
Ginny Anderson the twenty two.

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The criticism of Chris Luxen is gutter politics. Well, see
it's a funny thing. You should say that. The gutter
politics then comes from us because this is a poll

(01:13:54):
and the poll is made up of New Zealanders. Also,
when he talks about his past, it's about how he
managed to successfully organization's threads. I get all of that.
And this is the weird thing. This is the Dichotomas situation.
This is not a guy won lotto. It's not a
guy who inherited hundreds of millions from family members. The
guy got out into the world, essentially worked fairly hard,
was quite good at the various jobs he did, collected

(01:14:15):
a bit of money, bought a few houses, and good
on them. He's not even that rich. I mean, let
me just say that he's not even that wealthy. He's
not mega wealthy. Key was worth tens of millions, is
worth tens of millions of dollars. I doubt Lux's worth
anyway close to that, because you've got a couple of houses.
We all go apple. But the point about the gutter
politics is, it's our gutter politics. Where the ones indulging

(01:14:36):
in this, Where the one who are answering the poll.
Where the one who made up the fifty one percent.
Hence the conversation, let's go to Australia and Steve Price.

Speaker 19 (01:14:43):
Shortly demanding the answers from the decision makers.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
I got more stuff than I've got time for this morning,
but I will get to the the commentary on the
American race that seems to suggest Trump may may now
have pulled ahead, and that's coming from the Democrats. Then
we get to the Gore Land grab, and this once
again goes back to this business of sights of significance
to Mary. There is also a couple of sources have
confirmed to us that Tory has as in Wellington should

(01:15:20):
be walking. I'm assuming to a meeting this afternoon at
two thirty. It's an emergency meeting and so she's called
the whole council together. So it may well be that
the Government are close to pulling the trigger. So it'll
be interesting to watch that one twenty three minutes away from.

Speaker 19 (01:15:31):
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mind for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Business strives three. Good morning to you, good a there.
It's ironic that we're having the same debate here. Our
prime minister, successful businessman in another life, had a couple
of rentals. He sold one recently, he's got another one
on the market. When I say rentals, they're under a
million dollars a piece, their small rentable sort of properties.
So he's had property issues. And then Elbow comes out
yesterday with four point three cliff top perfection in New

(01:15:59):
South Wales and or Hell's Broken loose.

Speaker 30 (01:16:03):
Well, it's the most tone deaf thing that I think
I've ever experienced a Prime minister doing. I mean, you
could argue that Scott Morrison going to Hawaii on a
holiday in the middle of a bush fire that was
burning down half a New South Wales was dumb Julia
Gillard letting people take photographs of her in their kitchen
where there was not one toaster knife clearly met no

(01:16:24):
meal had ever been prepared. There was pretty silly. But
to do this in the middle of a housing crisis
is extraordinary. When I first saw it Bob oup on
my feed yesterday, I said that surely can't be true.
Now you can understand. Laxon ran an airline. Anthony Albaneze
he's a professional politician. He's never had a job outside

(01:16:44):
working in politics. He worked for the trade union movement
in New South Wales straight out of university and he's
been in the Federal Parliament now forever, which means, of
course when he does retire, if say he was to
lose the next election, he's on a lifetime pension of millions.
But to go and do that when we're in the middle.

Speaker 26 (01:17:04):
Of a debate.

Speaker 30 (01:17:05):
There was a survey at yesterday Mike that said eighty
five percent of Australians don't believe their children will be
able to afford to buy their own home unless their
parents contribute, and we see this madness of buying what
looks like an okay joint but at four and a
half million. The only good thing about it is Albanizey

(01:17:26):
got a bargain because apparently the place was sold three
years ago for four point eight. Now he bought it
for four point five. But I'm just it's breathtaking how
dumb that was.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
And he also sold the other day, relatively recently, a rental.
Did that get headlines?

Speaker 30 (01:17:43):
Well, yeah, because it didn't sell. He pulled it off
the market because it was going to go to auction
and they'd only had I think one or two people
who were vaguely interested in it, so he took it
off the market. So he lives in the lodge in Canberra.
He lives in Kiribilli House on Sydney Harbor because he's PM.
He's got that rental that he can't sell, and he
owns his own house and seat in Marrickville. Now people

(01:18:05):
are going, well, hang on this, Folke's never earned a
lot of money. I mean the most he's ever earned
is right now as Prime Minister, which is around I
think about five or six hundred thousand plus perks. But
it's from a political point of view. Peter Dutton must
have thought all of his Christmases came at once?

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Yes, does it? Has it changed on desperately? It's my
alzheimer's kicking in the Who was Hawk's treasurer? Who collected clocks?

Speaker 30 (01:18:30):
And who was Paul Keating?

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
But KEATINGE Keating was wealthy? Was that an issue back
in those days? And I mean at the end of
the day Hawk ended up not unwealthy.

Speaker 30 (01:18:40):
No, Well, Paul Keating famously owned a piggery and didn't
tell anyone, and that got him into some strife. If
you delve into how Paul Kety made money, it's a
long conversation which I might get myself in trouble over,
so I won't do it. Bob Hawk made I remember
famously Bob Hawk when he was when he lost the

(01:19:01):
Prime ministership. He came to me. I was running a
radio network. He wanted to come on and give us
horse racing tips, which would have taken five minutes on
a Friday. And I said, well that sounds okay. How
much I have to pay you? He said, I want
a seven series BMW for me and one for my wife.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
And I said no, thanks, the stories we could all tell.
If have you ever written a book? No, you have
attempted to write a book about the stories you could tell,
just like that, one of the things you've dealt with
in radio over the forty fifty years or whatever it
is you've been doing it.

Speaker 30 (01:19:35):
If I write it, I'd have to have it published
after I'm dead, because he's sued by too many people.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Exactly speaking of death sadly, George Nigas, did you know him?

Speaker 25 (01:19:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 30 (01:19:44):
I did work with him in latter days. He ended
up doing a half hour show on Channel ten which
preceded the project when the project was only half an
hour long, and he was a regular on the desk
on that TV show, so I got to know him then,
also bumped into him over the years on the road.
He was famous for his mistache, his shirt unbuttoned to

(01:20:05):
his naghbl with his hair chest poking out and the
medallion around his neck. And I guess the most famous
vision that probably I'm not sure. If he showed an
overnight in New Zealand, he quizzed Margaret Thatcher on the
views of the British public and she looked at him
straight in the eye and said, I need you to
tell me who and where and when that person said

(01:20:25):
that to you, And even George couldn't answer that question.
So sad he had dementia. He was in his eighties,
but he was one of the greats and that show
sixty Minutes in the nineteen eighties was absolutely huge with
Ian Leslie, of course, Yanna Bent and George Vegas just
amazing stuff along with Raymond.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Exactly what sort of fis Premiers aside is their building
towards the King and the Queen.

Speaker 30 (01:20:51):
Not a lot because the visit's so short and he's
only going King Charles is only going to Sydney and Canberra.
It's not a normal too. He wanted to do that.
His health is no good. Doctors said no. But he
arrives Friday night, I think as a todd to the
other day. He's then got a rest day on Saturday.
Now Saturday happens to be the Everest Race meeting at

(01:21:15):
Royal Randwick in Sydney, and there is actually a race
on that card called the Chin King Charles the Third Stakes.
Now there is some suggestion, and they've done the security
already apparently that he might bob into Randwick for an
hour or so to grace with his presence when that
race is being run. Melbourne wanted him to come to
Melbourne for the Melbourne Cup Carnival. He's not going to

(01:21:38):
do that. Clear he's not even coming to Melbourne. There
will be a fair bit of interest when he gets here.
I think there's a public appearance on the steps of
the Opera House on Sunday. I imagine there'll be a
reasonable crowd at that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Good stuff might go well, catch up next week. Appreciate
it very much, Chirsty Price out of Australia, Mike, Why
are giving this crap so much here time? Well, because
it's Poland's a talking point and people seem to be engaged.
Look at j Sender's gravy train right now, should I say,
Dame just send it?

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
The point about this, and I don't want to be
seen to be defending her, but she's not the Prime Minister,
and I think that's what it comes down to, for
reasons best known to ourselves, or at least fifty one percent,
what you do after, I mean, you can mount a
pretty solid argument that having done to this country what
she did to this country, to then one leave the
country and to go and make a reasonably large amount

(01:22:23):
of money from it is pretty unscrupulous. But then she's
not accountable anymore, is she?

Speaker 10 (01:22:29):
She worried that we're going to send her.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
A bell siestly and so saving up. Once you're a
private citizen, you can do what you like. Sixteen to
two The.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Those of you who've been concerned about our coverage this
morning on the Carpity Coast Our, sincere, apologies, we cocked
something up. The boss started to explain it to me
earlier on, but I lost interest after about you'll never
guess what happened. Anyway, We seem to affix that now
and so things are back to normal since here. Apologies
for any sort of interference in the program this morning.
I tell you what's been a brilliant show. If you

(01:23:04):
missed any of it, I mean you have to go
to the website. So the website working, I think websites work.
Can go a website and you find it there. Now
two bits of reading on the American race. Reading Number
one comes from the New York Times, and this is
where the Democrats are deeply concerned about what's going on.
They go back to Hillary Clinton. She did not lose
because she was a woman. She lost because she was
Hillary Clinton. She didn't campaign hard enough, she skipped Wisconsin,

(01:23:27):
barely visited Michigan, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. They
talk with James Carvill. James Carvill's famous in Democratic circles
as being an operator. He was with Clinton, not just Hillary,
but Bill as well. He's the guy who said it's
the economy stupid. And they asked him about this problem
with the gender, because the pollings come out lately Latino
men and black men don't like her, and they're going,

(01:23:50):
what do we do about that? And he goes, well,
we're not going to change her gender or her ethnic
background between now on election day, so let's not worry
about it, which is about the most common sense bit
of advice I've seen in a very long time. She
last week is I'm sure you're aware of your following.
The campaign spent a lot of time on sixty Minutes
on the View on Stephen Colbert's show, on Howard Stern's show.
Didn't move the needle. The polling show did not move

(01:24:11):
the needle. They are now starting to panic and they
need her to be more aggressive to ask, as James
Carvill says, ask more questions, start scaring the crap out
of voters, start going at Trump, and that's why Trump's winning.
He's scaring the crap out of voters from his point
of view, which brings me to the second part. So
that's the New York Times more endowed, not being Trump
won't win Harris the election. Second one is from a

(01:24:34):
guy called Nate Cohne, who does quite a bit of
writing for the Sydney Morning Herald and writes very well.
He also out of America. But the New York Times
polling average. He's written a piece on how tight it is,
and they tried to work out when was the last
time it was this tight. They went back to two
thousand and four. All the battleground states are within a

(01:24:55):
point of each other. Back to two thousand and four.
Bush v. Kerry was sort of that type, but not quite.
In the past week, the average movement has been so
tiny it's you need a microscope to see it. The
pole that's moved the most is the Quinnipiac pole, and
that's moved towards Trump by three points in a place
like Michigan, two points in a place like Wisconsin. NBC

(01:25:19):
found the race tied down from a five point This
is where the Democrats are panicking again. Down from a
five point lead for Harris to nothing. An ABC poll
from a two point lead to Harris down to nothing.
So the whole thing is too tight, so tight, and
if you look at the national averages. One of the
criticism will get a lot of feedback on this. One

(01:25:41):
of the criticisms is that there's a lot of Republican
feed polling. In this article, they took out all the
polls that you could remotely argue lean republican. And here's
what they came up with. National Harris on average plus
three without publican Republican polling plus three. Nothing changes. Arizona,

(01:26:02):
nothing changes, Georgia, nothing changes Michigan. Harris goes from one
under to one over Wisconsin. She goes from one under
one over North Carolina, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 26 (01:26:12):
No change.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
So it doesn't matter what the polls are, who did them,
they all remain the same. It is the tightest race
anyone can remember ever. Nine away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Had been twenty sixteen had Trump losing to Clinton by
a sexy smasher. Though Ben you correct, they underperformed in sixteen,
they also underperformed featured this on the program yesterday. They
underperformed in sixteen, they underperformed in twenty but they underperformed
for the Republicans in twenty twenty two in the mid
timb So whether you can trust the Poles is the
other part of the question, their point being. Nate cones
Piece eventually concludes that if anything's changed with all of

(01:26:54):
the polling and all of the tightness, it may well
have moved quote unquote ever so slightly in Donald Trump's direction.
But well worth looking that up as well, and having
read five minutes wife from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
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Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
Now, Apple have gone and launched themselves a new iPad
this morning. It's the iPad Mini, and you didn't even
know you needed one of these. It's the seventh generation
of basically a small Apple tablet. That's why they've gone
and called it the Mini, but good colors.

Speaker 33 (01:27:31):
The new tablet comes in a few new colors. The
last gen model came in space gray, pink, purple, and starlight.
The new one still comes in space gray, but now
comes in a very light blue a later than before. Purple,
and again starlight. I think impartial to the blue, but
I wouln't even more vibrant blue like with the old
iPad Air. The processor has been upgraded to the A

(01:27:54):
seventeen Pro, up from the A fifteen. That's a big
step up in my opinion, because now is it going
from an E fifteen to an E seventeen series, but
you're also going from a non pro to E pro chip.
The big thing though, is Apple Intelligence. This is a
raving in. I've had OS eighteen point one at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Of this month.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
What I'm partial to is a person who does tech
reviews without a shocking voice. Anyway, This Apple Intelligence that's
due out in the US anytime now, with language support
for US in December. What's starlight?

Speaker 14 (01:28:33):
It's kind of like it's not silver, it's not gold,
it's just slah.

Speaker 27 (01:28:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
A lot of cars around at the note at the moment,
you know it's the gray. They've gone for what I
would once upon a time called battleship gray. Yeah, that's
sort of real flat.

Speaker 14 (01:28:48):
What's that about.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
That's the question I was about to raise. I like it,
but I think it's a fad. I wouldn't go and
buy a car in that color, thinking.

Speaker 14 (01:28:56):
It's like a couple of years ago where they started
bringing out brown cars again, what's.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
A big mistakes? Mistake? So where was I with the
Apple Mini? I think that's about all I had to say.
You can pre order it. Imagine if your life was
like that. What am I going to do today? I'm
going to pre order something as though there will.

Speaker 10 (01:29:17):
Be there'll be Mini fans out there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
As though who are going to run out well once
they hear that there now comes in light blue nine
four nine, nine hundred and forty nine dollars cheaper than
a house, but you've still got to be relatively wealthy.
I suspective. Back tomorrow morning, as always, Happy Days.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
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