Full Show Podcast: 17 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
The Mic Hosking Breakfast with Jaguar the Art of Performance
news Talk said.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Been Bonian, welcome today new insight into how we should
tackle our literacy teaching in schools. The Prime Minister's trip
to Japan? One what comes out of it? And two?
How bad is this ongoing plane mess? Royal editor at
The Mirror, Russell Meyer in after a wonderfully uplifting weekend,
We are having our first ever scrutiny week at Parliament.
So what does all that means? Having guide to all
the sport in the commentary box after Rate Richard Arnold,

(00:30):
Steve Price, they are in as well. Hosking, Welcome to
the week. Seven past six. An astonishing moment Friday in
Britain as the Reform Party of the first time ever
overtook the Tories in a poll and in that number
or those numbers, is a reminder of how superficial the
whole political process of electing a government basically is and
the danger of never learning our lesson labor will win

(00:52):
the election not because they are brilliant to all their
plans are exceptional, but because Britain is sick of people
who have been running the place basically since twenty ten.
Time kills governments, even brilliant governments, and the Conservatives have
been at times brilliant, but not at the moment, in fact,
not for quite a while. So the vote is a punishment,
not any form of advocacy for improvement. It's entirely possible
labor are useless. Labour here were useless when we gave

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them an astonishing fifty percent of the vote in twenty twenty.
Many a landslide is followed by regret. But the Reform
vote is a disaster for two reasons. One because they
won't win any seats because it's first past the post
and it's the unfairness of the first part the post system.
You can have nineteen percent of the vote and still
get nothing, whereas the Tories can have eighteen percent of
the vote but we'll win dozens of seats. But more importantly,

(01:37):
the Reform Party are in plain not because they're brilliant
or have a long standing, well established series of widely
supported policy ideas, but because Nigel Ferrag, who wasn't even running,
changed his mind. Nigel's a great campaigner, wonderful with the
oratory and gets a lot of coverage because of what
he says and how he says it. Sunk and Starmer
are boring as so Nigel lights the place up verbally
and that, it seems, is all you need to draw support.

(02:01):
My overarching sense of this is this won't play out
as badly for the Tories as current polling shows, but
it is looking like a lesson yet again that we
see in so many Western democracies that who gets elected
is not a well considered, well studied exercise. It's an
act of frustration or anger or vengeance with a good
dollop of hope attached. That you don't end up with buffoons.

(02:22):
Farage doesn't deserve nineteen. The Tories don't deserve eighteen. Farage
isn't that good, the Tories aren't that bad. But that's
not how the game has played.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Sadly, what news of the world in ninety second.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
And given the poles, the toy has got a lot
of work to do, of course, but they've not given
up book. So we're still fighting for every voo. We're
just saying to people, if the polls were true, and
if that's what people do when it comes to polling day,
that's what you're going to get lob dim stunt mayn
Ed Davey claiming falling off things into the waters working
for them.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Whenever we do one of those stunts to engage people.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
So I show that I'm not taking myself too seriously.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
I'm taking the voter seriously. We've had lots of policy ideas.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Are the elections, namely the US one growing since Trump
might have basically made up his mind on VP. This
bloke called Byron Hopes.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
It's him actually pretty intelligent. I can sift through issues
really really well. It's about judgment, it's about logic extremes,
It's about how you make decisions. At the end of
the day, do I believe in myself one hundred percent?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I do logic extremes. Also stateside there's growing momentum behind
a boycott of Knit and Yahoo. Now he's due to
speak to the Congress in July, Democrats increasingly deciding not
to attend.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
I said that if he wants to come to speak
to members of Congress about how to end the war
and release hostages, I would be fine doing that, but
I'm not going to sit in a one way lecture.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Then to the peace summit, in Switzerland where Zelenski's calling
for hostage releases.

Speaker 6 (03:45):
We have two three thousands of people who have had years,
years of their lives taken away while being tortured, who
are being lied to, who are told that no one
is way them.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
And to the football where the pints are being sunk
and the expectation is rising for England and they're opening
against Serbia.

Speaker 7 (04:07):
Very confident, and I troubled all this where from not
to little job, how how is the atmosphere then amazing?

Speaker 8 (04:14):
But not about its fu mobass.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Finally all right, finally another blow for self driving cars.
WAYM has recalled again all their cars because they wouldn't
stop running into power poles. It was due to a
software update on their jag your Eye pacers, so they
were recalled to undo the update and also to update
the maps. So good luck with all of that. Actually,
I've got some ev news for you this morning. That's

(04:41):
news of the world in ninety seconds. Have you missed it?
Over the weekend? Ramaphosa's back, unfortunately, and that will put
the handbrake on any progress of South Africa. The thing
about it is the African National Congresses. I'm sure you're
well aware. By now, I didn't get a majority for
the first time ever. They came up with forty percent.
The other guys the Democratic Alliance the DA as they know,
and they came up with twenty two percent. Of these
your government. But the next step is for Ramaphosa to

(05:04):
allocate cabinet positions which will include members of the DA,
so that'll be a first. So we watch it. We
watch and wait over the next couple of days, twelve past.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Six, costing breakfasts.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Trying to work out whether this has come from tactical
pools as they're calling this is Israel Southern Gaza allowed
delivery of increased quantities of humanitarian aid, so the polls
is underway will remain in effect for eleven hours each day,
each and every day. They were allowing sixty eight trucks
on averager day of aid in normally it should be
five hundred, so they I don't know where the pressures

(05:38):
come from, whether that's the States, whether the Israelis have
seen they need to acquiesce, or what's happened. But anyway,
for now it's on fifteen past six.

Speaker 9 (05:47):
Mounds.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Management at Greg Smith is with us this Monday morning, Morning,
Mate Morning, Mike now food inflation are like those numbers.
It's almost like it used.

Speaker 7 (05:54):
To be exactly that the can use. So if that's
a report of that food price increase just point two
percent in the twelve months to mate, it's actually the
smallest increase in ten twenty eight. And see quite right,
the increases a quarter of that scene in April due
to cheaper prices of fruit and vegies of down eleven percent, meat, poultry, fish,
as she recorded, there an annual decrease the first time

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in over three years. Any amigroups of high in price,
but just less so. Restaurant meals than ready to eat
food prices are almost five per cents are still pretty high,
but grocery prices are coming down. Increases just one point
three percent. Good news with cheese lovers, Mike prices are
at five year low, so you get one kg block
for just over ten bucks down to thirteen bucks sixteen

(06:36):
May twenty twenty three. Look at a monthly basis, most
items have also fallen. Opal food prices down point two
percent in May on April, Cheaper yogurt, potato crisps that
I'll drive grocery prices load. Also fruit and veggies we've
got prices of mandarins, potatoes and apples. And it's not
only food prices that are coming down, Mike, Petrol prices
they also fell, and makes that Petre and diese were

(06:58):
both down around three percent. Still before we get too
happy there, ever, still when they were a year ago
and Petron diesels fifty percent more expensive than free covid
or these were age more petrols fifty percent more, but
no one on less. Good news on inflation, Mike and
and Easy have cost of living pressure, something that the
Advent did should pay attention to. We'll see about that

(07:19):
and maybe do get that rate coup in a few
months time.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Of all this talk about Taylor Swift, i've heard the
fact that it could have such an impact that the
Bank of England might delight is the most astonishing thing
I've heard yet.

Speaker 7 (07:33):
Oh I did see amazing and that. So yeah, we're
talking swift flation here, good news and inflation here. But yeah,
potential setback in the UK. So the Big Even meets
this week. No change is expected, but there's been speculation
about whether her areas tool was actually going to push
out the timeline for September. Raker, so she's hitting in
London August, but she's always been already been elsewhere, hotels, flights,

(07:53):
restaurants seeing a spike and spinning around her performances. Edinburgh,
which should begin this league early this month, said that
the concert edit up to around eighty million pounds and
spending now Barclays they've got their Swifflation report out and
they say the UK talk then and estimated one billion
sterling to the British economy at one point two million

(08:15):
fans are spending like it's going out of fashion. Fifteen
tour days are spending around eight hundred and fifty quiddle
that's about two thousand Kiwi dollars each on various things
including merch for the combination and the like. And it
shows that the spending on tour ticket holders is more
than twelve times there, which costs the UK nine out.
And then when they actually brought out the tickets last

(08:37):
year like that actually caused a sixteen percent year on
year increase in the UK spending. So the Swifties are
out inforced thing. And they were asked for a comment,
they said they look at a range of indicators, not
just what Taylor Swift's doing. But I just thought about it.
What allegiance of swifties are upset? She didn't come here
at least it's one complication the up end z didn't
have to worry about.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
That's true. And then we got some good news from Adobe.

Speaker 7 (09:00):
This is an aus earning so Adobe facialp maker these
years sawed fifteen percent on Friday. That was the biggest
one day early since March twenty twenty. No prizes for
using the key driver, Mike, Yes, that's right. It's AI
revenues up ten percent from a year earlier to five
point three billions for the quarter. They've got the Firefly
AI functionality that's going pretty well. They've got a dozen

(09:20):
new jennifor of AI tools are going to partnership Microsoft.
That's providing a bit of a boost. They lifted four
year guides to twenty one point four to twenty point
five billion. And yeah, no signs will slow down there.
And it's actually a bit of a contrast to what
we've seen saw from likes of salesforce is she has
plunged on weekend and expected results. So yes and positive
news last week. No Adobe, but also Oracle was high

(09:41):
on its results. She pries up for Adobe still down
around at twelve percent for the year.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Right other numbers please, So the S.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
And P five hundred was pretty fat on Friday five
four three one that now I was on point one
five percent thirty eight to five eight nine, NAS Deck
up point one percent, seventeen six eight eight that is
a record closed and Vidio that was up almost two percent.
So yes, idal and continue to lead things there. Foot
Sea down point two percent, Nickel up point two percent.
Bank of Japan held rates A six two hundred down

(10:11):
point three percent. In the fifty we were fairly flat,
down seven points eleven eight sixty five, Gold up twenty
nine dollars two thousand and three hundred and thirty three ounce,
Oil down seventeen cent, seventy eight spot forty five years
for WTI currency market's key we weaker across the board
with sixty one point four against the US, ninety two
point eight against Ozzie, forty eight point nine against stealing.

(10:32):
This week we've got the Benk of England as mentioned
with the RBA as well as should also be on
hold and back to US.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
March GDP cooling is are we going to be at?

Speaker 9 (10:40):
Recession?

Speaker 7 (10:41):
Looks like a bit of a coin toss by the way,
many are doing it tough ketch.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Up, so ma I appreciate it very much. Greg Smith,
Devin Funds Management. I'll scare The RBA is meeting today
and tomorrow and they're going to let us know tomorrow
afternoon what they're going to be doing. In Australia. It
is growing, the economy, inflation is well down, looks like
a soft landing. Are they cutting most people? Or four
banks are saying. All the major banks are saying there

(11:04):
is no movement, so they're going to stick to their
cash right, which is currently four point three to five,
which is a world away from ours. Most are saying
November is where the cuts come in A and Z.
Last week broke ranks and they said probably February of
twenty twenty five, so that's tomorrow, six twenty one. He
read News Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
The Mike Hosking Breakfast, by the way.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
The Elon Musk salary thing late last week that he
got the vote across the line from the New Zealand
super Fund, of which the chances are you're a part
of in some way, shape or form, holds seven hundred
and sixty six thousand shares, so they got a vote,
they voted against it. They voted against it originally, and
they voted against it last week as well. It seems
planes and education this morning, Mike. The PPDA take our

(11:47):
full page ads back in labor during the elections they
were a political winning the Labor Party. They don't represent
their members, Mike. I'm sitting at work now, handwriting in
my diary. My industry is in the late fifties, Mike.
The single biggest issue with schooling in most business and
in particular of the public sector was the hangover from
the previous government to take a day off whenever you
had a sniffle across the country. Billions of dollars education, Mike.
This messa is due to the decades of changes from

(12:09):
the old, carried out by the newbies wanting change, saying
old was wrong if it wasn't broken, which it wasn't.
The old set of plane disciple rules was the success.
You had to go to school, had to have a
request from your parents to have a day or two
away from school. You were taught the basics, writing, reading, arithmetic.
We all left school well educated to our level. It
worked well. What was wrong with that? Might read the
plane the definition of insanity is doing the same actions

(12:31):
in expecting different results. If you were not listening this
morning to early edition, Jason Wall, our political editor, who
was in that particular part of the world, will be
leaving PAPU in New Guinea at seventh this morning to
fly to Brisbane to be picked up by a New
New Zealand flight which is being diverted from Aukland to
Tokyo via Brisbane. Luxon appears to have left without telling anybody,
or addressing anybody, or saying anything to anybody. It was

(12:54):
the most remarkable thing. I don't know that anyone sort
of connected. Jason was busy saying nobody knew what was
going on, and then they looked out a window and
they saw Luckson's motorcade. He's gone, and Dame Terus Walsh,
who's the leader of the business delegation. You got people
like Greg Foran with there in New Zealand. You got
Peter Becker rocket Lab. They're all, allegedly, according to Jason,
just sitting around without the slightest idea what happens next.

(13:17):
It sounds like a complete and utter cluster. Defense min
is to Judith Collins after seven six twenty.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Six trending now with chemist Well's keeping Kiwi's healthy all
year round.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Ricky Stewart, God bless him. Postmatch press conference. Raiders lose
to the Cowboys at home. That's their third straight loss
at home. Crowds booing at halftime. Ricky's got words for
both the reps and the journos.

Speaker 10 (13:39):
I don't want to make sure to be ringing me
and saying the referee Center trend at the start of
the game, because the trend ain't working.

Speaker 11 (13:46):
Freends.

Speaker 10 (13:49):
Who do you think we're trying. I think we're trying
to loseener, We're trying to do everything to win. To
know Oh look yeah, look, you know Thoma disbmin was
right throughout the game at the old discipline that we've
got king for that was happening right throughout the game.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Does it just stop?

Speaker 9 (14:05):
Does it?

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Does it?

Speaker 10 (14:06):
I mean, does the interpretation of the old discipline just
stop for a certain amount of one?

Speaker 9 (14:11):
Did you?

Speaker 8 (14:11):
Did?

Speaker 9 (14:11):
You?

Speaker 10 (14:12):
You watched the Dame mate?

Speaker 9 (14:13):
You you the journey? You're right? What you see?

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I love them personally, uh and we we will after
eight o'clock. The I don't know what to say about
the Warriors. The start you think, here we go, and
when you start that, well, there is no excuse. I mean,
I don't mind if it's a game and you're expecting
Melbourne to come back, and you should expect Melbourne to
come back because of Melbourne. So I got no problem

(14:37):
with it being a game, but you don't do what
happened there. And that's the difference between being top eight
and top two or three.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
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Speaker 3 (14:57):
B Mike, I find it hard to believe the business delegation.
We're not spoken to prior of the PM's departure. I
imagine the press pack. We're not told until a firm
plan had been made to avoid endless clickbait. That's possible
that Jason's pretty good, and he seemed to indicate. And
they're all in the same room together. It wasn't like
they were separated out.

Speaker 9 (15:13):
So it is P and G.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Remember it's not downtown Vegas, so they're all in the
same room together. And I read this morning they were
given chips and beer, and I thought, for God's sake,
what is the matter with It's not picnic time, it's
not a school holiday. It's a business delegation with some
of this country's leading minds to go and spook New
Zealand to Japan. And they're handing up bluebirds, salted and

(15:39):
probably warm beer as well. Anyway, so they're all in
the same room together. The point being if the press
didn't know, then the chances are dome tories. Walsh is
apparently the head of the business delegation, and she was
pulled as she was pulled aside into a room and
told what was going on, how these things work. I
don't know why you wouldn't, as the Prime Minister, simply

(16:00):
stand in front of the group. It's not like this
ten thousand of them, I mean, there's only a few dozen.
Stand in front of the group and say, look, I've
got to go. I can get myself to Hong Kong,
then I can get myself to Japan. I apologize for
this obviously, hands up for a quick whip round for
a new plane anybody, and then everyone go, And then
you can leave the room and go. You don't just
sort of it seems that he just left and nobody
knew what was going on. Mike, Why don't we just

(16:20):
purchase the second hand leadership? Well, of course, of course
we do that. The's planes all over the world. If
you want to buy a plane, buy a plane. But
as I said earlier, on what government, and the answer
is none. Hence we're in the problem. We're in what government,
and good times or bad goes to the people and go, hi, guys,
couple of lea jets our way? How many hundred million dollars?
And everyone you know listen to that. Listen to the
outrage that we had about the tax cuts. For goodness sake,

(16:42):
we can't afford tax cuts because we've got every man,
woman and dog with their hands out looking for more
money that we don't have. What government stands up and goes, oh,
by the way, we need some new planes. No government,
simple as that twenty two to seven should side in
a couple of moments. So Biden's had a crack at
the Supreme Court. There back in the news for the
for the wrong reasons. More shortly meantime, speaking of the

(17:02):
Prime Minister and speaking of Japan, this is part of
as we are open for Business World tour Japan as
our fourth largest export partner. Of course, on the trip
carries a significant business delegation if they ever get there.
A professor of international relations at a Tager University, Robert
Patman is, whether it's Robert, very good morning.

Speaker 9 (17:17):
To you, Good morning mine.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
What's your impression of Japan. Mine of Japan is, yes,
they're big, and yes they're influential. But of all the
countries we do business with, we think of the US,
we think of China, we think of the EU, ahead
of Japan, Japan seems to fly under the radar a bit.

Speaker 12 (17:34):
I agree with you in terms of perception. But since
all governments since twenty seventeen have made up elevating relations
with Japan a priority, and it's no. And that's not
surprising because all governments since about that period have been
desperate to diversify trade trade dependence on China. Japan is

(17:58):
a partner with US in the Transpacific Partnership, comprehensive and
progressive Transpacific partnership. In fact, they were a leading player
after the United States pulled out of that under mister Trump.
So you know, we are seeing sad of the improving
trade with them as part of that arrangement, but obviously
we'd like to give it a boost. And I think
it's you know, I think it's a really smart move

(18:19):
on the part of the government to signal the priority
of really boosting relations with Japan, liberal democracy, big economy.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Are they open traders. I mean, there's very conservative uncertain
as being in a rice and cultural bit pieces, but
they are like.

Speaker 12 (18:34):
Minded, Mike. They do believe in multilateralism and they do
believe in the rules based orders. So if we can
really boost trade relations with them, we're not going to
have the sort of complications we have dealing with authoritarian
states where we really only have economics or business in
com So there's a lot of potential in this relationship

(18:57):
and it's a it's just frustrating about as you're saying
just before we started speaking about this breakdown in the plane.
Is not a good look for the country when we're
trying to sell ourselves as having really impressive business sector.
It just doesn't you know, it's about time the go.

Speaker 9 (19:16):
I've got on top of this.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, exactly, Will security be an issue, things like aucust
the Pacific geopolitics.

Speaker 12 (19:21):
Of the area, Yeah, I understand that Japan is a
like New Zealand exploring the option of Pillar two. But
we already actually have an upgraded intelligence relationship with Japan,
and I think there's my senses there's a lot that
can be done to boost by natural security cooperation, and
I understand that the Prime Minister will be saying more

(19:44):
about that in the course of his visit.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
All right, Robert, good to catch up with you appreciate
it very much, Robert Patman, Professor of International Relations. Out
of a Tiger UNI nineteen minutes away from seven paskting
or subject of aviation. US regulators now looking at Boeing again.
This is once again a seven three seven Max eight
flying by Southwest Domestic Airline in the States did what
they call a Dutch roll, a rock from side to

(20:05):
side while in the air, potentially dangerous movement. One of
a couple of inquiries also involved after Boeing reported learning
of potentially falsified documents using titanium. The titanium that they got,
I mean, I assume it's titanium. It's just they're not
sure what else was in it. So Boeing cannot catch
a break. Richard next eighteen too.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
The Mike costing breakfast, Mike Wanno.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Would all those top CEOs travel together on the same
crapped out old plane. Surely the risk of them all
in the same plane at the same place far too risky.
Collegial it'll be, you know, you go separately, the coordination,
all that sort of thing. Very New Zealand thing to do, Mike,
the plane for the PM. Why can't they listen to
New Zealand seven eighty seven. I've said this a million times.
There are no planes in the world. Every airline in
the world is struggling for capacity. Tourism is booming. They

(20:55):
cannot get their hands on enough planes. There are no
planes in New Zealand has left than the planes they want.
At the moment, they have no spear planes. Mike, why
don't we build our own planes? Boeing can't build their
own planes at the moment. Six forty five are Oh
what a difference of week makes. You're on the seven

(21:16):
five seven again? Yeah, we will it got us there
Mic last time once further. It's a longer truck. But
I turned out the takeoff and the landing, and so
I've got every confidence. I've got more building confidence every
time I get on that plane.

Speaker 13 (21:29):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
You have been lad to come back to Haunt and
Richard Arnold's outside morning to you.

Speaker 9 (21:37):
Yeah, good morning mate.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Supreme Court front and center.

Speaker 9 (21:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (21:41):
President Biden doing what he is held back from doing
for a while.

Speaker 6 (21:44):
Now.

Speaker 14 (21:44):
He is ripping into the Supreme Court. Heighart court in
this country, says Biden.

Speaker 15 (21:48):
Supreme Court has never been as out of kilder as
it is today.

Speaker 9 (21:52):
Well.

Speaker 14 (21:53):
Biden was appearing at a star studded Hollywood fundraiser last
night alongside and former President Obama. Also at this thing
late night TV host Jimmy Kimmel, who served as MC,
and several alist actors, among them George Clooney, Julie Roberts,
Barbra Streisen and so on. At this event, they raised
close to fifty million dollars in New Zealand equivalent. Biden
predicted that the next president, whoever, is likely to have

(22:16):
two more Supreme Court picks. Former President Trump already has
three nominees on the court as part of the six
to three Conservative majority.

Speaker 15 (22:25):
Currently.

Speaker 14 (22:25):
If Trump gets in, says Biden, he's going to a
point maybe two more justices flying flags upside down. That's
his reference to Justice Samuel Alito, who blamed his wife,
you recall, for flying an upside down flag at his
place in what he said was a dispute with neighbors,
only to have another flag used by the Capitol Hill
rioters seen at the Elito's other place, their holiday home elsewhere.

(22:47):
So they're big on political flag flying. This comes after
the Trump bolsted Supreme Court overturned abortion rights with Row v. Wabe,
and this past weekend issued something the New York Times
editorial board cause quote, one of the most astonishingly dangerous
decisions ever issued by the court, end quote, and a
decision that quote will prove fatal. They overturned the Trump

(23:08):
ban on bump stocks, the devices that can turn a
semi automatic weapon into a virtual machine gun. They say,
practiced users can fire maybe one hundred and eighty rounds
per minute with an AR fifteen, most commonly used weapon
in the routine mass murders here. We see those stories
every second day. The bump stock lets them boost that
number of shots permitted to as much as eight hundred.

(23:30):
That's what we saw in the twenty seventeen Las Vegas
shooting where a fellow open fire on the crowd at
a country music festival. And here's just a little reminder
of how they went. Yeah, this was this was a massacre,

(23:54):
one person killing sixty other people, directly wounding four hundred
and thirteen and leading in the panic to some eight
hundred sixty seven injuries. Even Trump reacted, but not so
Justice Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court, who argues that
the eighty dollars bump stock does not fit the precise
definition of a machine gun or associated device since it
uses the gun's recoil to increase speed of fire. In dessent,

(24:17):
Justice Sonia Soto Mayor voiced her astonishment, writing, when I
see a bird that walks like a duck, swims like
a duck, and quacks like a duck, I call that
bird a duck. The bumpstock, she says, turns weapons into
machine guns. Clarence Thomas did not agree. Thomas, of course,
is the justice caught out by the media for taking
luxury trips worth millions and millions of bucks, paid for

(24:37):
by billionaire real estate tycoon and Nazi memorabilia collector Harland Crow.
That disclosure force Thomas to admit just the other day
that he'd taken such previes, made a list of them,
taken them from someone who well might have cases of
interest before the Supreme Court.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
He listed the trips last week.

Speaker 14 (24:53):
Then Pro public I said, hey, you know there's three
other private jet trips you didn't bother dimension Democratic Senator
Chris Murphy.

Speaker 13 (25:00):
This well Justice Thimus is engaged in is just a
grift right.

Speaker 12 (25:03):
He's got a major political player on the outside who
absolutely has political and business interests at the court.

Speaker 14 (25:11):
Meantime, back on the guns, there have been three more
mass shootings in the past twenty four hours Mike in Texas,
two dead, multiple injured, Massachusetts. Seven youths shot up in
a car meet up at in Michigan where nine wounded,
including two young children, at a shooting at a swimming
pool splash pad. That shooter fight as many as twenty
eight times reloading, then killed himself. He was in his forties,

(25:33):
lived with his mum, and while police now say he
likely had some mental issues, he had loads of AMMO
at an AR fifteen. They sold him the weapon anyway,
despite anybody's concerns about anything, and now, of course, if
he were still alive, he'd be able to buy that
bump stock and fire eight hundred rounds per minute.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
All right, might see Wednesday. Appreciate it very much. Richard
Arnold stateside, Mike, why doesn't New Zealand taxtpayer set up
a crowdfunding page to buy a new plane for the government. Sorry,
I'm still laughing. What an embarrassment is? And I conspiracy
theorists might lead you to believe maybe if you make
it so bad, so embarrassing, so humiliating, we acquiesce and
go why not let's buy another plane? O nine away

(26:12):
from seven.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
The mist breakfast with Jaguar and news tog sedb storing
it's weirder.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
So yesterday when they land in p and g your
fuel up, so they were going to be there for
an hour. Somewhere along the line, somebody organizes a meeting
with the prime the Papua New Guinea Prime Minister. So
Luxon goes to meet the pap who no one else
has visas, so no one else can get in the
So the reason they're all in the room, the one room,
the delegation of the medium excuse me, is because no

(26:41):
one can get into the country because not allowed in
the country because they weren't expecting to be in the country,
because they were going to touch down, fuel up and
carry on, except for Luxon, who was going to wander
off to meet the Prime Minister allegedly, and yet no
one could cover it or see it or have anything
to do with it. And he was then going to,
I don't know, presumably pop back on the plane and
then take off again until he found the plane was broken,
then just hopped in cars and left. Anyway, it's too random.

(27:05):
There's something not right. The other thing that's slightly unusual
for me is Mark Mitchell turned up in Switzerland over
the weekend as our representative at the peace Summit eighty nations.
China not there, Russia not there, Biden critically not there.
But good old Mark Mitchell from New Zealand turns up
to give Zelenski a hug and to achieve, as far

(27:26):
as I can work out, this is not a criticism
of Mitchell, achieve nothing. They sit around the table and
they decide it's not fair what's happening in the war,
and it's got to stop. So it's a long way
to go just for that, isn't it. But at least
he got there. Five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
All the ins are the outs. It's the fizz on
the Mike Husking breakfast on News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
B Coco problems prices through the roof. A metric ton
of coco usually costs about four grand. However, we could
croft in the last year industries panicked a but good
news for the crop growers, bad news for the companies
that can. In April this year coco hit eighteen grand.
Normally four hit eighteen grand a ton. Price right now

(28:08):
this morning is sixteen thousand. The problems West Africa, majority
of the world's coco's supplied out of their farmers hit
with the crop disease. Couple with the fact that lower
price has started to be paid to them last year,
which meant that a lot of them swap from cocoa
to rubber. And you can't make chocolate a rubber. I
don't know if you've tried, it's just hopeless. So in
the last couple of days Garner said they would be

(28:28):
laying a three hundred and fifty thousand ton delivery to
next season. That'll push the price even higher. If price
has come down, They're expected two in September. By the way,
increases will still hit your favorite brands next year when
those long term contracts with the likes of Hershey and
Mars and Ferreira, or the Rochets and the mandoliese they
run out. The other option discussed by the industry was

(28:48):
having less in a box, fewer chocolates in a box,
so like nine in a box instead of twelve. But
you know what happens when that happens. Everyone goes, You're
in Simon and James in the afternoon, don't you Simon
and James will go, Oh, you gotta know, have you
guys noticed there's not as many chocolates in the books?
Oh eight hundred and eighty two to eighty and off
you go. And that's what happens, isn't it. So I

(29:09):
don't think the consumer likes that sort of stuff. Now
there's a listener ac report. There's another weird thing that's
happening this morning. Curse of writing, You know, curse of
writing where all the letters are joined together and you
use a felt tipped or whenever the hell you're using
these days. I thought we're all on computers anyway. Curse
of writing is a must. Handwriting is a must, and

(29:30):
they're looking at you're ready for the idea that the
new idea for twenty twenty four for young kids in
primary schools. We test them, we see how they're doing,
and the idea that this is a new idea in
twenty twenty four is probably a clue as to why
our education is where it is. We will look at
this after the news, which.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Is next the newsmakers and the personalities the big names.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Talk to like the Costing Breakfast with a Veda Live
the Age You Feel News Talks VB seven past seven.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Once again we wonder aloud what to do about military
air movement, especially when it comes to the seven five seven.
The PM's delegation of course stranded and P and G.
He got to Japan last night. Commercially the rest of
the delegation get there tomorrow. Defense Minister Judith Collins with us,
good morning, good morning. Make so my understanding is it
goes if it can from P and G the plane
this is from P and G down to Brisbane, and
then what happens to it there?

Speaker 9 (30:21):
Do we know?

Speaker 11 (30:22):
Well, then we'll no doubt it will have to either
fly over to New Zealand or more likely be repaired
in Brisbane, but it needs a new part. And the
point is that can fly at slower speed and lower altitude,
but can't do the long hause.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
I mean, this is this isn't your fault, but I
mean this is this is this is keystone cop stuff,
isn't it. This is just embarrassing now.

Speaker 11 (30:49):
Well, it is embarrassing, and you know the primes is
right you said that. But I would say, though, is
that our defense staff have been working on this to
try and get it right, and I am really impressed
in dedication. They've got very old kits and we're expecting
to perform like when you out of the box, and

(31:11):
that's simply not going to happen.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
At some point, the cost of spare parts and the
energy put into it must outweigh the cost of doing
something about another vehicle, mustn't it.

Speaker 11 (31:20):
Well, well, it must get to that stage. But I
would say too, there are two of these lines. One
of them is in long term repair and maintenance at
the moment. With the new Zealand that comes out, I'm
told we'll get it back at the end of July,
and so then we've got to back again. It is

(31:41):
really difficult, though, because we're very tight financial circumstances, and
you can imagine how hundreds of million spellars being spent
on what is essentially executive flight plus troop carrying capability
would go down well with everyone in cost living difficulties
that we haven't learned.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
It isn't that the problem though, because it's always politically
edgy and has been for decades. That's why the decision,
the correct decision, was never made even in good times
when bad no government wants to go, hey we need
some new planes.

Speaker 11 (32:13):
Yeah, well it was obviously the decision at the time
when they were bought was to buy ten year old
planes and that had been had a very hard commercial
k life. What our people do keeping these planes going
most of the time the vast majority of the time
is astonishing. But you know, even commercial flights, sometimes you

(32:34):
get decanted off a plane and poll sorry it's not
going today, but you know, evident God, and we're much
rather that with these planes. The point is is that
the Prime Minister can then take delegation of business people,
pers also media. That's the point of having them.

Speaker 16 (32:51):
Really, So so what are we going to do?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
I mean, we can't continue, you can't leave Greg fouran
and Dame Teresa Walsh stuck in P and G. I mean,
it's just a joke. So either you get some new
planes or we need to fly the Prime Minister as
delegation commercially from here on. And that's just the way
it is.

Speaker 11 (33:06):
Well, these are some of the options that we're looking at.
We've got the defense capability and it has been worked
on at the moment, we'll have it go to Camp
Cuts in the next two months. That will be one
of the things that we have to look at. What
is the point of it? And the point might be
is that are these pass used for troops? Are they
used for the Prime Minister and others? But it's not

(33:27):
just the Prime Minister's played. It's not just that and
people should understand that. So that's one I guess one
of the problems we have is nobody, no Prime minister,
wants to spend an awful of money on something that's
seen as nice to have by some people. Even though
at this time when we've got a situation we have
to build the economy. It is really important the PM

(33:50):
and business people can get.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Out yes, exactly, all right, go well. Defense Minister Judith
Collins eleven past seven it's other issues. Perhaps not a surprise,
but it turns out HOLF the country's critical hardware and
hospitals as out of date. Health New Zealand have said
significant investment is needed just to keep the lights on.
The former Health New Zealand chair, of course, is Rob
Campbell is back of this. Rob, very good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (34:10):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I take it this was the case when you were there.

Speaker 9 (34:13):
It was certainly the case before I was there for
quite a long time. It had been to terror at
quite a long time, not just the IT, but the
physical infrastructure, the staffing infrastructure, the external infrastructure to support
the primary healthcare sector across the board.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Is it sort of like the air four seven five seven.
It's one of those things when you're short of doctors
and nurses, you've focused on them and the bandages.

Speaker 9 (34:36):
And not the it. No.

Speaker 8 (34:39):
I don't think the doctors and nurses would feel they
had too much attention. I think it's really quite the
opposite to that. This is a long term lack of
attention not just to spend, but to the efficiency of spend.
And it goes back as much to the Ministry of
Health and to politicians as it does to far to aura,

(35:00):
or indeed their predecessors, the district health boards. There's a
system which does not encourage innovation, does not encourage it
addressing practical issues of how to make the system work.
It's directed from Moolsworth Street, and like many things directed
from Woldsworth Street, it doesn't.

Speaker 9 (35:21):
Work all that well.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
And does everyone agree with that or not?

Speaker 9 (35:25):
Frankly, I think everyone does pretty much agree. But the
secret is, and I suspect this is true and other
areas in the public service, is that you don't talk
about it. It's a bit like fight club. You know
it's true, you don't talk about it, and therefore you
kind of hope it.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Will go away, okay, And so hence we end up
where we are. An overarching question for you your assessment
of our system. Is it as bad as people make
it out to be? And is it an example of
public systems all over the Western world? Basically because all
I ever do is do interviews about how bug it
up the health systems? Is it really that bigger mess?

Speaker 9 (36:05):
It's too big a mess to put up with. It's
not an unfamiliar mess compared to other public health systems
around the world, But I'm not sure that's much comfort
while you're waiting in the emergency department or waiting for
an operation. So it is pretty common and there are
some really big issues involved with it, all the more
reason to take a pragmatic, practical approach to what you

(36:27):
can do. There's been a bit of dreaming about our
health system. We observe it's terribly bad, and then we
have people who come in an event that's really sophisticated
twenty first century, twenty second century systems that will deal
with all the things, and they ignore on the basic
pragmatism of does this work? Do we have a payroll system?

(36:47):
Do the lights go on? That kind of thing?

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Good insight. I appreciate it, Rob Rob Campbell, former head
of Health New Zealand. Fourteen minutes past seven, passing Mike
once in Brisbane. Can't we sell it for scrap? Mike
my blood boil is thinking about the cluster of the
New Zealand plane. No thought given to the disrupted of
New Zealand passengers on the schedule flight that will divert
to Brisbane. No doubt they will be missing onward connections, etc.
I'm not sure that Tokyo's non WOD connection. I think

(37:10):
it's more a destination. But I take your point. All
at the extra cost to wear in New Zealand, though
it won't be at the extra cost to wear in
New Zealand, the taxpayer is paying for this. Same goes
for those passengers on the scheduled return flight to New Zealand,
and that, my friend, is called the domino effect. Fourteen
past the my costume. Breakfast News talks every seventeen minutes
past seven our first scrutiny week. If you don't know

(37:30):
what that is, why would you? Because we've never had one.
That's why I said it's our first ever at Parliament
this week. We'll talk about that after seven thirty. Men
time back to the classroom. This advice to the government
to use checkpoints throughout each school year to test children
on their literacy and numeracy. Handwriting lessons also recommended. Curse
of writing. We should be encouraging kids to write by
hand for the first three years. It's all in a
report into content for the Revised Curriculum and Literacy. New

(37:53):
Zealand Chair Alice Wilson's with us on all of this.
Ellis very good morning to you.

Speaker 12 (37:58):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
We had a Union member on Earth on doesn't like
testing it all. Shouldn't be testing kids at all because
kids are stressed, So what do we do?

Speaker 17 (38:06):
Look, it's the thing about testing is that it needs
to be an important part of the teaching process. It's
not just that we're testing kids are testing, so we're
testing kids as part of our systematic teaching process to
have information to know where that child is at and
what the issues are and what we're wanting to see

(38:27):
and what this report is incising will come through from
the mag and the direction the government's now taking is
that a use an approach to teaching literacy and teaching
mathematics that is informed by where the children are at.
It's systematic and it's diagnostic. So it's a structure that

(38:48):
practically So.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
You're talking to me like it's eighteen thirty seven and
we've just started the education system and we're not sure
how to do it, as opposed to twenty twenty four,
and we actually do know how to do it. It's
just we're not doing it properly. Sum are refusing to
fix it.

Speaker 17 (39:02):
Yes, yeah, but I think we've got pretty good agreement
now that it needs fixing. There are a few naysayers
out there and there are a few naysayers that some
of the aren't nay says now that there's a lot
of money to be training teachers as well mine and
I think that's something we should talk about it and
when inter sect. But yeah, absolutely teachers haven't been trained

(39:24):
in the evidence space teaching practices, partpular structured literacy that
helps them to be able to use good quality assessments
as part of the teaching process, not so that we
can grade heads against each other, but that so that
we provide useful information into the teaching process, so that

(39:47):
teacher knows where that child is at, what they have
and have retained in the classroom, and what they need
to now do to progress them. It's about that. It's
a diagnostic and information in the texture process. And these
checkpoints they're talking about are essentially.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
That.

Speaker 17 (40:07):
So they're actually in the slope sequence and working on
a scope and sequence of what's been taught. How and
at a certain point you're wanting to be able to
assess that child not a necessarily stressful way.

Speaker 16 (40:20):
This is not some kind of test where.

Speaker 17 (40:22):
They're all, you know, that's not.

Speaker 9 (40:26):
Or no.

Speaker 17 (40:28):
And I think you know, we have had a lot
of discussion about assessment and you know, natural standards and
et cetera. And you know, some assessments are not useful.
They're just assessments.

Speaker 11 (40:42):
We need assessments that.

Speaker 17 (40:44):
Are providing the right type of information into the teaching process.
And that's what's been talked about exactly.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
All right, ellis appreciated very much. Ellis Wilson lifting literacy.
I wonder Erica Stanford's got a job for herself. And listen,
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(41:55):
nzhsky seven twenty four. Simon Upton has he been watching
the boat in Europe last week and outsized group of
young people. I'm sure you're aware in places like Germany
and Italy voted for the right of not the far right,
and who they didn't vote for was the Greens, despite
the Greens being the alleged go to team for the
young ones. Now Upton were speaking at the Environmental Defense
Society conference last week. Upton, by the way, if you

(42:15):
don't know's the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment. Here is
what he said. Listen carefully. There is a danger that
we all get into a bubble of clear sighted, righteous agreement.
And if only other people had sufficient political will and
shared our views, we would all be on our way
to the promised land. He added. We can close polluting
industries or shun them, but in most cases we will
simply import the goods. He also said we must be

(42:38):
willing to entertain environmentally damaging activities like mining. What else
did he say? Calling for green growth isn't the easy
economic and environmental when some people imagine as it will
continually trade one environmental issue for another. Any change, even
a clean green one, will be costly. De growth won't
be easy, he continued, barring something of a spiritual awakening

(42:59):
the reality years, we are likely to continue to worship
the Church of consumption, Simon Upton, where have you been
all my life? It's probably what I quite liked about
them is a health minister many many years ago. But
there is you wake up call. There is your reality
check from a bloke whose job it is to spruit
the climate and the environment. And the value of his
point was laid out in Europe last week. Bludgeon people.

(43:20):
You lose, lie to them about the perception of a transition.
You lose, leave a gap where the lights can't be
turned on on renewables. You lose pretend evs are the
artser but ignore the mining aspect of batteries. You lose.
Close down oil and gas with no consultation, you lose.
Thrash farmers by telling them to have fewer cows and
drawn them in red tape.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
You lose.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
In Europe last week they lost theory around renewables and
the climate story of late might have smashed finally into
reality and a general fatigue by most of us over
the zealous bs that pedaled at all costs. The kids
in Europe got it, The Environment commissioner clearly gets it,
and I hope those at the conference, once they picked
themselves up off the floor, got it as well. How

(43:58):
about the chloes and the just cinders of this world
start waking up a bit and reading the room, Pasky Like,
what a cop out? How do we know what children
are learning? Problem is our teachers are a product of
a terrible education system, Mike. Testing the kids means you're
testing the teachers. Good God schools preparing children for the
real world. I would have thought tests learning to cope

(44:19):
with stress are a basic life skill, Michael. There are
six and seven year olds at my son's school who
cannot write their own name. The unions are on another planet.

Speaker 9 (44:27):
Mike.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I'm amazed at our best and brightest business people have
enough spare time and are willing to risk lives flying
in one of our Air Force junkets that everyone knows.
The fragile well the time thing is important because of
course they can do business. That they can do business,
that's what they're about. What's a few hundred million mic
complains for the Prime minister when he could potentially bring
in billions to the country. You know as well as
I do. If the prime ministers started to look at

(44:48):
what they tried to do with the tax cuts and
all the whining and gnashing of teeth went on there,
they stood up this afternoon and said, look, this is
a joke. I'm spending half a billion dollars on a
couple of new planes. All hell would be to pay
tell me I am wrong. Scrutiny week.

Speaker 11 (45:02):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (45:03):
We'll tell you more shortly.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
The Breakfast show you can trust, the Mic Hosking Breakfast
with Jaguar, The Art of Performance News togsa'd be.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
It is.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Behind the scenes technical drama that I'll let you in
a later on if I get time. Mike, surely, surely,
surely any saye New Zealander would give the go ahead
for a new plane. This is nuts. No, they wouldn't.
I mean mostly a lot of people. You like to
think that people would. But I'm telling you're right here,
you're right now. If the prime ministers see it, even
now in the circumstances, the primister came back and said,

(45:38):
this is ridiculous. We're leasing two brand new seven eight
sevens or lear jets or whatever you want to call.
The people go nuts. Every lobby group in the country
would be up in arms. Mike, I don't have enough
time to elaborate, but primary school teachers currently test kids
individually all the time to move them through levels. Also,
and as well as the Ministry reporting regime, teachers generally
don't have enough time. Too many kids in the class.

(45:59):
My wife has twenty seven age seven and eight generally,
so anyway, we should get Erica Stanford on this. But
let me come briefly to these numbers as to the
kid's number of kids in this country who are unemployed,
not in school or in training. And as hard as
it is to believe, the numbers are going up, there's

(46:19):
a growing number of these young people, youth not in
jobs or training or education's called NEAT not in right.
So year to March, twelve point four percent of kids
fifteen to twenty four not in employment educational training twelve
point four percent, fourteen point two percent of the more women.
That's up from ten point nine percent. How do you
explain this in this country at the moment? How do

(46:40):
you possibly explain that they're not in school, they're not
in training, and they don't have a job. In other words,
they're not doing anything. Twenty to twenty four year olds
rates even higher, More than eighteen percent of women in
this bracket were neat twenty seven percent year on year.
Northland has the highest rate Bay of twenty second. In
Northland the rate is sixteen point three. In Bay of
plenty at sixteen point two. Explain that to me twenty
two minutes away from it Sport Time commentary box after

(47:05):
right Andrew sibilind guy have helt. Meantime, Parliament's having its
first ever scrutiny Week. It's an idea borrow from Australia,
apparently to improve oversight of government actions. Select committees will
call ministers and department bosses and for questioning over the
government spending plans. The Leader of the House, Chris Bishop
is with us on this one. Very good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (47:20):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Anything going to come out.

Speaker 18 (47:22):
Of it, literally, well, I think it will lead to
best scrutiny of what the government's up to. I mean, fundamentally,
the government's responsible to Parliament and we've got to go
to Parliament and ars into appropriate the money. That's what
the budget's all about. And so ministers are going to
front up and explain what they want to do with
the money and talk about their portfolios. To be honest,
we've always done that. It's just that this year we're

(47:44):
doing it in a one week period and most of
the committees will be meeting for longer. I mean to
give you an example. I used to get frustrated when
I was in the position. We'd get MB which is
the ad Ministry, Business, Innization and Employment. It's got billions
of dollars. We've got about thirteen different ministers. We used
to get them in for an hour and by the
time you by the time you sort of divide up
the questions and there's a sort of prey hamble or

(48:05):
a conclusion and all the rest of it, they have
like seventeen minutes with MB in charge of like, you know,
all of these very important things. It'd had barely any
time to get into it. So it was pretty there
was pretty one over likely to be honest. But so
I think this will be a better way.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Will you front up as a minister or for example,
something like fast track and be asked about that or not?

Speaker 18 (48:27):
Yeah, no, I'm up tomorrow. I've got an hour of
forty minutes on housing. I've got an hour on infrastructure
on tomorrow as well, I think, and I've got support
and Rex. So yeah, all of my portfolios, I'm front
All ministers will be appearing over the course of the week,
so for varying lengths of time. I know Nicola Wallis
is up for three hours. I think it's on Wednesday
morning to the on the Finance Committee, other other sort

(48:50):
of slightly lesser Well, every ministry is important, but you know,
not ever gonna pay for not ever gonna pay for
three hours.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
So I'm going to get you all those loser ministers.
What you're saying, all those all those all those male
contents in the background haven't said that.

Speaker 18 (49:04):
Well, Well, I'm on I'm on sport for half an hour.
For example, there's a bit different definance.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Okay, what what what is it political? I mean, what's
stopping it just being a you know, a bonfight.

Speaker 18 (49:15):
Well that'll be over to the opposition. I mean they'll
be asking the bulk of the questions, so we'll front
up and we'll you know, they've asked some some preliminary
questions in advance, but the actual hearings themselves are over
to the opposition to make make of them what they will.
They can be very political.

Speaker 9 (49:32):
My own experience from.

Speaker 18 (49:34):
Having been in oppositions, when you get really political, it
doesn't work. It's actually about getting into the numbers. You
know what, what is what is the government trying to
get from parliament to do it? To run government? What
are the programs that you are you are funding? What
are the programs that you are cutting? Because this government
of course has made a lot of fiscal savings, so
that will be part of it. And what are you
trying to achieve with the money that you were seeking

(49:55):
from parliament? So it should be about that now, as
you know, Mike, polities, in politics it's not always about that.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
No, that is true. Will it be televised because a
loser like me loves a good question time and I'd
be into this.

Speaker 18 (50:10):
I think of the all of the select minies have
got Facebook feeds and I'm pretty sure they still lives
threaving most of the hearings, so they'll be on Facebook.
And I'm not sure about Parliament TV, but they'll definitely
be on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
I think, Okay, let me grab you while you as
infrastructure and it's these PPPs you were talking about with
local government last week? Is there a disconnect with people
understanding what you're trying to do. You're looking at building
stuff and using other mechanisms as opposed to just the
taxpayer or the ratepayer.

Speaker 19 (50:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Are people up against this?

Speaker 9 (50:40):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (50:40):
Look, that's exactly what we're trying to do.

Speaker 9 (50:42):
And you know, I look at it like this.

Speaker 18 (50:45):
If we can get a situation where we build some
toll roads in this country and the super Fund all
the key. We say the fund helps fund the toll roads.
How good would it be when people drive down one
on one of the toll roads and they pay five
bucks or whatever, knowing that they're helping to say for
their retirement. I just think we need to be open
to these sort of prospects. We need to be open
to foreign capital. We need to be opened to the
super fun and we need to be opened to tile road.

(51:06):
We just need to get on and build some stuff
in this country and PPPs are away to do it.

Speaker 7 (51:10):
Well.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
I was just watching Kereen macinnulty saying, oh, they're leaving
it all to the councils and stuff. So that's not
the case, is it?

Speaker 8 (51:17):
Well not at all.

Speaker 18 (51:18):
I mean, this government's been more money on infrastructure than
any government needs on history, so we're really stepping up.
What we're saying is we just need to use new
we need to use new tools. The Labor Party had
a complete aversion to private capital. They've never wanted to
use private capital for anything. We're very open to that
prospect because we've got an infrastructure deficit.

Speaker 9 (51:38):
We need to solve it.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Exactly the other thing, there's fast track. So last week
I'm reading about Eden Park. They are in front of
the Select Committee and they were saying, well, with the
fast track, we can, yes, still talk to locals, but
we can move on and get more you know, concerts,
et cetera into an eden Park. Then I note over
the weekend of the insurers are saying, well, you can
build better resilience for natural disasters because you can make
it to happen quicker. That's a good side of fast Track.

(52:01):
Why has fast Track got so many negative headlines?

Speaker 18 (52:04):
Oh, I think look, hate's going to hate, as you know,
Mike end this game. There's a few sort of professional
professionally negative about everything. And like I just think this
country's got economic troubles. We've worried about our place in
the world. We've got a country that needs to grow

(52:26):
for the first time in a while, and fast Track
has a way to do it and we'll be pushing
ahead with it. I opened the sensible changes, but you
know we've got a lot of work to do in
this country to get it back on track.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Appreciate your time, Chris Bishop, who's the Infrastructure Minister, Leader
of the House and of course part of the first
of a strategy week sixteen away from eight Oscar. Other
thing they did that didn't get enough coverage over the weekend.
I think they had a reasonable week in terms of
the farmers and the etes and stuff. They also went
in with the forestry. They canceled the payment and other
review of forestry's role in the omissions trading scheme. Owners

(52:55):
complaining that its successive cost is too expensive, et cetera,
et cetera. So they've taking the charge off for the
forests for twenty three twenty four. It amounts to thirty
dollars twenty five per hectare, so the government wants to
rebuild confidence and forestry. There's more than five hundred and
ninety thousand hectares of forest land in the ETS and
around forty two hundred forestry participants, so that particular charge

(53:17):
is gone. So they had a good ETES week last
week seven forty.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Five one make costing breakfast.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
So from eight seventeen pages, I've got got the complete
list of scrutiny week. Here they seem to have morning,
afternoon tea and lunch, which disturbs me.

Speaker 12 (53:30):
No.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
And so Minister for Building Construction Chris Pink is due
in front of the Transport Infrastructure estimates for Boating, Building
and Construction from nine thirty to ten fifteen. But then
there's a gap to ten thirty, so that's morning tea
if ever I saw one, then Ministry of Business Innovation
Employment ten thirty through twelve thirty. Then there's a gap
toal one thirty, so that's lunch a lot of lunch,
a lot of morning tea, lot of afternoon tea. Michael Hill,

(53:55):
this is tied up with very good peace over the
weekend if you want to look it up on Australia dovetails.
What I was trying to say last week this obsession
we have with Australia at the moment, Australia's wonderful country.
I was watching the supercars even in Darwin looked nice,
was clear blue sky, it was thirty two degrees. I
mean I wouldn't go to Darwin, but I mean from
an air, you know, racetrack can't look kind of cool anyway.

(54:15):
So very good piece over the weekend about what's wrong
with Australia and you know, stop sort of glorifying it anyway.
Michael Hill announce over the weekend that Fakatani stores closing.
So I thought we had this under control. We don't
shop on the strand. Too many incidents. Closes twenty nine
June for good, done dusted. Did they have security? You
bet they did, Security aids, fog cannons, security cameras, alarm screamers,

(54:36):
personal alarms. Storers experienced a heightened number of breaking and enterings, smashing, grabs,
several of which occurred during daylight hours, sad day for
the business. They're done, dusted over, finished, so we haven't
solved that particular problem with the crime and police. There
are hidden costs to moving with Australia and reading stop
romanticizing Australia. This is a Sydney based Keywiek comedian called

(54:57):
Jake Howie. Australia's pretty cooked right now. Try your luck
if you feel like a change of scenery. But Key,
we seem to localize deeply global issues rather than understand
that New Zealand is experiencing issues seen around the world.
That's a very very good point. Maybe you'll get paid more,
maybe you won't. Maybe some things are cheaper, maybe they're not,

(55:18):
which is what I was trying to say last week.
I think if you get into a mindset that this
place is crap and you're going elsewhere, you'll do your
best to make elsewhere look good. And it's easy to
travel over. He goes, ah Man, I've been in New Yorker.
It's just incredible. I don't think it's all real, but
look that up and read it's well worth it.

Speaker 15 (55:37):
Ten to wit the make Hosking breakfast with Bailey's real estate.
Hu's talk said, giving away from it. So what a
fantastically uplifting site. The return to public life of the
Princess of Wales was yesterday, wasn't it? Back for the
trooping of the Color, alongside her husband of father in law,
the kids with their royal editor of the Daily Mail,
Russell Myers, is with us on this, Russell, very.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Good morning to you.

Speaker 19 (55:57):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
I mean I'm a super fan, but I mean she
looked fantastic, The family looked fantastic. It was just the
whole thing was just magnificent, wasn't it when it was?

Speaker 19 (56:07):
And you know, went off without a hitch And I think,
you know, good scenes compared to what we were expecting,
or you know, thinking about what we would expect just
a few weeks ago. Of course, the King and the
Princess of Wales at a pretty tumultuous time of it
over the last few weeks and months, both being diagnosed
with cancer in February and having their treatment every week
since then, so we didn't know whether we were going

(56:29):
to see the King, and then of course the Princess
of Wales has been out of duty since Christmas. And
we haven't seen at all, but you know, fantastic scenes
on the balcony, the kids, you know, lighting up the
event as well, and you know, went off without the
hitch was great.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
The I'm sure you've seen the photo. There was a
photo on the balcony who eyes met his his eyes?
But that photo was just gold, wasn't it told you
a million things?

Speaker 12 (56:52):
Well it did.

Speaker 19 (56:53):
I mean, you know, a lot of people had we
had this sort of crazy speculation when Kate was unwell,
and then of course she had to come out and
tell the world that she'd had been suffering this sort
of cancer diagnosis in the background, and all the weight
of expectation on her about when she was going to
be seen again. And certainly, you know, I just broke

(57:15):
a story about the people allegedly accessing her private medical data.
It's been a real, real tough time for her. But
she looked fantastic. She said herself just the day before
that there've been good days and bad days, and she
was hoping to try and get back to some sort
of normality over the next few weeks and you know,
returning to work at home and trying to do things

(57:36):
over the summer. But certainly, her family and especially her
husband have been a great, great source of.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Comfort, and we've seen that beautiful Father's Day photo today
as well. Do we have any actual official comment on
what we expect moving forward for her for the rest
of the year or not.

Speaker 19 (57:51):
Well, certainly, well, you know, people are spoken to it
at the palace have said, listen, this is a very
tentative time. She needs the time to rest and recuperate.
That we can't make assumptions of how she's going to
be feeling from one week or the next. But she
did say in a very moving statement just the day
before trooping, this statement that she delivered on Friday, saying

(58:11):
that she was enjoying getting back to some sort of
normality that's very important for cancer patients. She said that
she's going to try and get to some engagement in
the summer. We don't know what they're going to look
like at the moment, but I imagine they'll take the
vein of her main projects, the early years developed and
the mental health.

Speaker 12 (58:31):
Products that she's so involved in.

Speaker 19 (58:32):
And I think, as I said, baby steps for now
a very tentative time, but hopefully we're going to see
her before too long.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Look all right, Russell, catch up with you, so I
appreciate it very much. Russell Myers, who's royal editor for
the Daily Mail. This British press are running some behind
the scenes video. The place have put out some behind
the scenes video if you're interested in that of her
and the kids, which is lovely to look at. If
you haven't seen the Father's Day photo that she took
of William n three kids, that's superb as well. As
far as I know, no one's accusing her of doctoring

(59:01):
anything on that this morning, so that's gone legitimately. Good
luck to a God bless her. But just a wonderful,
wonderful weekend for the royal family. Mike, in a positive note,
we went and saw Mel Parson Saturday night after you
interviewed her a month or so ago. Oh my god,
what a talent she is. And Meil Parsons well worth
looking up. If you don't know the name, listen to
the interview too. That was quite good. Andrew savile guy

(59:22):
Hevelt the golfers on. I'm sure that guys glued to
that as we speak. But we need to deal with
the Warriors and the black Caps and other sporting matters.
Will do that in the commentary box after the news
which is next?

Speaker 1 (59:34):
What big news?

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Bold opinions the Mic Hosking breakfast with Bailey's real estate
altogether better across residential, commercial and rural.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
On News Talks ed ber sprung Rum.

Speaker 12 (59:51):
The Blues beat the Brombies as hunch the second.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
To the Super Rugby Pacific.

Speaker 20 (59:58):
Grand Final into Eden Park where I'll face the Blues
next week. The Chiefs have won the second Timmy Final
at Wellington, beating the Hurricanes py thirty points to nineteen.

Speaker 21 (01:00:12):
That will be one of the best ones for them
this season to come over and upset.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
The Warriors preserve this outstanding winning record they have against
this New Zealand based team.

Speaker 20 (01:00:23):
The Storm win by thirty eight points to twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
That will do it for the first time.

Speaker 21 (01:00:28):
They were still blown by Danielle Orsato and it is
advantage England had the break courtesy of that man there,
Jude Bellingham, wonderful player Superheader.

Speaker 13 (01:00:41):
The Monday Morning commentary barks on the Mike Husking Breakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Minutes past eight and Guy have Eld's with us, along
with Andrew sevil Felder's good morning to you, Morning Mine
enjoying the golf game.

Speaker 16 (01:00:52):
I am very much enjoying the golf. I think Seven
and I were talking about this yesterday or maybe Michael
and I at work, and this is the best type
of golf to watch. When the best players in the
world are finding it so difficult and they have to
use all their shots that they have to just get
any birdie that they can. I'm really enjoying it. Mccelroy.

(01:01:16):
I hope mclroy wins. It's been a decade since he was.
Can you believe that? Well, he's only two behind and
Bryson is in a bit of trouble on the eighth hole,
but Bryson has produced some incredible shots over the last
two days when he's been in trouble, so it's unlikely.
I would say that McElroy is to win, but he's

(01:01:36):
by no means out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Do you soak your balls and epsom salts?

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
What a.

Speaker 16 (01:01:44):
Strange but also fascinating guy. Bryson to Shamba is if
you haven't heard yet, he puts his balls and its
and salts to check where the heavy side of the
ball is. He reckons that in a cylindrical object, you're
not gonna to get complete balance all the way through
so he puts them in its and salts to find

(01:02:04):
out where the heavy part of the ball is and
he reckons. That's like finding out where the mud is
on the ball. So if it's I think if it's heavier,
it goes that way, and he thinks that that's something
to do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
I'm surprised. I'm surprised. That's not against the rules in
some way, shape or form.

Speaker 16 (01:02:23):
Everything that he does is within the rules. But everything
that he does no one else does. He's got every
club is the same length. You know, most most shorter
irons are a bit shorter than the longer irons, obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
So you're telling me nine is nine irons the same
length of his three iron Yep, wacky, yep.

Speaker 16 (01:02:44):
They're all exactly the same length.

Speaker 12 (01:02:47):
Why doesn't he win every week?

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Well, because that's in the head that's in the headset,
which is what I want to talk to you about.
Because I'm watching the NHL yesterday and I'm not watching
a lot of NHL. But the Stanley Cups on Florida
the Edmonton, right, so Florida's up three nil. Same in
the NBA. If you look at the NBA Dallas v. Boston,
Boston's up three nil, Suddenly Dallas win. Not only do
they win when they have to, they blow them out,

(01:03:10):
They destroy them, not only.

Speaker 12 (01:03:14):
Over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Yeah, they destroy them. So that's the psychology of sport,
isn't it your thrash three nil? You're going to lose
in the best of seven, yet all of a sudden bang,
you're so superior to that.

Speaker 12 (01:03:24):
Explain that, yep, yep.

Speaker 7 (01:03:26):
Oh.

Speaker 12 (01:03:27):
So much of sport of pat level is in the head.
With the football code, you see it with individual sporting
competitors all across the board. So much of it is
in the head, which leads us, I think to maybe
the worry is if not the Super Rugby which is
going to have a fitting finale next Saturday night at

(01:03:48):
Eden Park.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Well it I saw the drone shot of Eden Park.
I could count the number of people there.

Speaker 12 (01:03:54):
Said, look that was the Blues, Brumbies and the Aussie
teams just not attract fans here. And it was a
Friday night in Orcand.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Was it a Friday night? Is a Friday?

Speaker 9 (01:04:08):
Look?

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
I was doing to all and earlier on this morning.
Here's the things full crowd, go go to Buffalo, go
to Chicago, go to Boston, go to New York, go
anywhere you want. In the middle of winter where it's
minus white five hundred and fifty seven, it's sold out.
This weather slash, it's on the TV slash. It's a
bit tiring, slash I want to go to Costco doesn't count.
They actually turn out because they love their sport. One's issues.

Speaker 12 (01:04:31):
What's the answer.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
I don't know. I'm just saying rugby. Maybe it's boring.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Maybe it's to make it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Somebody text me said too expense, So I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:04:41):
Yeah, I meant, well, there's a there's a lot of
issues going on, but you'd imagine for the final this weekend,
Eden Parks should sell out. If they don't sell it out,
there's a major, major issue. It's it's Auckland v Hamilton
Blues versus Will that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Be mainly Hamiltonians though, I mean it doesn't really matter
how they sold well.

Speaker 12 (01:04:57):
There'll be a lot of Whitecatto supported and from the
surrounds of the Chiefs area, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
I reckon the Chiefs can boil. I reckon the Chief's
going to win.

Speaker 12 (01:05:08):
I think the Chiefs can do it. The Blues, very
very good team, are hard to beat at high they
haven't lost a home for ever but or for a
long time. But the Chiefs have been building and building,
picking at the right time, standing players. I thought that
performance on Saturday night or Saturday afternoon and Wellington was
simply superb. Hopefully the game isn't ruined by the officiating,

(01:05:30):
look right, for Union is just becoming so bloom and
hard to officiate. I understand that, but you're getting You're
seeing yellow cards that aren't yellow cards. You're seeing tackles
that should garner a yellow card, and I'm not It's
just all over the show.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Still all right, brief break more at a moment Andrew
cevill guy have helped thirteen past eight, The mic Hosking
Breakfast talks me fifteen past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
The Monday Morning Commentary barks on the mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
One shot guy, what did I just tell you?

Speaker 16 (01:06:00):
One shot? And Bryson's got a fairly long par part
as well, so it could be all square at the top,
and that's exactly what happens at this course.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
You'd have sympathy with us. Have too expensive to go
to the Rugby cost me thirty bucks per two cans
of beer and a pie, So for you save, there'll
be six can three pis ninety dollars. That's a big
night outn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:06:18):
Look Yeah, Look, there's a number of reasons, Mike. You know,
people don't have the same amount of cash to throw
around these days, i'd imagine. But as I say, it's
a big, big final. If you're going to go to
one game of rugby this year.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
One, yeah, and you got you've got to Arguably, I
suppose the Hurricanes will be arguing, but you've got the
two best sides in the competition, which brings us, unfortunately
guy to the Warriors. And so the Warriors start, well,
this is all good. I fully expect Melbourne to come
back because they're a quality side. But what I don't
expect if you're a decent Warrior's side who stand a
realistic chance of getting right to the point of end

(01:06:49):
of the competition, is you get blown away by it.
And that's that's the problem. Making it a fight is
nothing wrong with a fight, but getting thrashed that way
is not acceptable.

Speaker 16 (01:06:58):
It was the same problem that we saw in that
four or whatever game Rus it was when they lost
however many games in a row. Discipline was terrible, defense,
wasn't great. They didn't seem to have the right options
or execution on attack, and they had two guys binned,
and there were some inconsistency I think in those biddings.

(01:07:19):
I think those two for the Warriors were deserved, but
I think the Storm deserved some. That is not why
they lost. They lost because they went away from what
they've been doing very well in the last few weeks
to get them back into the competition, and that's a
massively missed opportunity because that was a chance where they
could finally a beat the Storm after however long it's
been and b get themselves pretty much into the top

(01:07:42):
four of the RL. Now they're still in that little
log jam of a lot of teams that are kind
of vine for the back half of the eight.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
And they still worry me Andrew that as good as
they look against the Panthers or the Dolphins or whatever,
you still know that if things don't go right, it's
still possibly Melbourne. If you're a Melbourne fan, you going
to win. If you're a Dolphins fan, you're going to win,
you know what I mean. We're just not that confident yet.

Speaker 12 (01:08:04):
There'll be the there'll be the odd big win. Yep, Yeah, yeah,
I understand totally. But isn't that why people have continued
to watch the Worries over twenty five years, Mike, because
they Yeah, it's the possibility for a couple of weeks,
then they lose, Then they win a game they shouldn't,
Then they lose a game they should win. Yeah, that's
I think that's part of the reason. Yeah, the one
keeps coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
We're going to lose the Lesniec though, because that was
reasonably indisputable. Close for a week, close people is not
acceptable anymore, is it.

Speaker 16 (01:08:34):
But then you can't take players out in the year either,
And that's what the Storm did, was it? I you
can't remember, but Montoya whoever it was, But that wasn't
even And then the way the egan won that wasn't
even penalized. I don't think, or it was certainly.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Wasn't always been shocking. I think they I don't think
they pay them well enough, or train them well enough
or something. I don't know what it is, but the
referring and league has always been problematic, especially the.

Speaker 12 (01:08:57):
Same You've given you full of theories too, Michael. So
the Worries sell out pretty much every home Direct. They're
not winning the competition, they're not winning every game, but
they can.

Speaker 11 (01:09:07):
What is it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
It's the magic, it's the belief, it's the belief system.
It's the quality of the game. It's the pace of
the sport, it's the sense of community. To be fair,
it's only twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven.

Speaker 12 (01:09:18):
Thou get that there in one country. Yeah, but I
think they were going to do a very good job
in marketing. I think they also do a very good
job and talking about their game and talking it up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Yep. Also, sorry to interrupt guy before I lose my
train of thought. So we ring last week. We ring
the Blues to do an interview on the show Friday, right,
biggest radio program in the country. Blues don't want to
turn up. We ring the Chiefs, biggest radio program in
the country. The Chiefs don't want to talk, so we
get the Hurricanes guy on. At the end of the day.
That's the sort of cockiness or arrogance that's doing damage

(01:09:51):
to the game. Now, I personally couldn't give a monkeys
you don't want to turn up, I don't care, but
do yourself a favor if you don't want to talk
about your game. I can ring Cameron George now and
I have them on in tw the minutes, no problems
at all, or a Warriors player or Webster or anyone
you want. And that's the difference. Same with the car
racing people.

Speaker 12 (01:10:08):
Yeah, I'll chat to them. I'll have a chat to them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
I want to have a chat with them. I'm just saying,
if you can't work that out for yourself, don't become
whining to me.

Speaker 16 (01:10:17):
But also, as I just said before before you cut
me off, which was fair.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Sorry sorry guy, No, no, no, no, that's fine. I
just better be good, by the way, because I interrupted
a flow for this.

Speaker 9 (01:10:25):
So here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Here's a guy who helt. Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 16 (01:10:28):
You could get a ticket for ten dollars to the
Warriors against the Storm, the best team in the competition
or one of the best teams in the competition. You
could get a ticket in the south stand. Granted so
not the best stand, but for ten bucks that's pretty
good money.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Good point, very good point. It's worth holding on to. Actually,
you're following the euros sev I mean, you guys are running.

Speaker 12 (01:10:48):
It as I'm watching it, as you speak to me.
Actually stood out England up one over Servia love it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
A full one mill after how long.

Speaker 12 (01:10:56):
Sixty minutes?

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Yeah, sixty minutes for a single goal. Terrific. Lot of action,
make a lot of action, stuff that could.

Speaker 16 (01:11:02):
Have happened back and forward made that part as well, Mike,
who did got the part? Who did Bryighton?

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
De Shambo saved Para or Birdie par So? It's still
one off? Yeah, fantastic call it now?

Speaker 9 (01:11:18):
You know what?

Speaker 17 (01:11:18):
Do you know what?

Speaker 12 (01:11:19):
Rory soaks his balls and going good?

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Good question, Sef? What are you referring to their sef?

Speaker 7 (01:11:27):
Yeah, the goal for.

Speaker 12 (01:11:30):
Maybe a pint of guinness. So I'm not too sure.
Northern irishman is he is?

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
He carries away? He's he's built. Now have you noticed Rory?

Speaker 16 (01:11:39):
He's not as built as as de Chambo?

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Shambo is on steroids. I think I can call that
quite you know, I think I think that'll come out
of a later point, won't it. I'm joking.

Speaker 16 (01:11:48):
I'm not involved in this conversation, but you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Shambo looks abnormal. Actually, if you want to see a
photo of a weird person who's too old to be
doing what he's doing, have a look at the photo
of Gordon Ramsey and his cycling top.

Speaker 12 (01:12:01):
I saw that bruising and the bruising shock.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
You know, shocking, shocking accident. But he's one of those
guys who puffs his chest out in a photo in
a way that really he shouldn't anymore because he's not
quite built the way he used to be.

Speaker 12 (01:12:14):
But when you went you, when you went through your
exercisal phase, I'm still still didn't you like a little
I'm still in it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
I'm still in the phase. I was in Istanbul over
the weekend. Have you ever done it? Have you ever
done a tabata workout? Sev. I mean it's obviously looking
at you you haven't. But I'm just as in theory.

Speaker 12 (01:12:38):
It's like the body Crusher of workouts, the one code.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
The one I did one of those through Istanbul.

Speaker 16 (01:12:44):
So don't you you know, exercises, the body body crusher
exercises stopped Andrew.

Speaker 12 (01:12:52):
Clearly, I think my subscription ran out. Guy costs a living.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
See you guys next week. Andrew sevil Goo.

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There's a poll out this morning. Dutton has edged Albanezi
and Murray Olds used to say Dutton's unelectable. The poles
would indicate something slightly different. He's on to a couple
of issues and Elbow is making a meal of it.
But we'll get you the numbers very shortly. When we
crossed the Tasman and talk to Steve Price after the
news which is next he Redews talks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
EDB Morning Mike. Sporting highlight of the weekend for me.
Francesco Molinari hold in one to make the cup for
the US over. I thought about I saw it and
I just thought, is making the cut good enough? I
suppose you hang around for the weekend of the paypack
it goes up. I would have just taken the hole
in one personally, Morning Mike. When your next talk to
the Prime Minister, ask him to hold a referendum for
a new plane, Karl, I reckon if we held a

(01:15:02):
refereement on a plane. Despite all the Fassan there is
around the subject. This morning, I reckon it had come
out sixty five to thirty five against I don't think
people are buying to it. Twenty three minutes away from.

Speaker 13 (01:15:12):
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mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
That's the definite price money to you. Good day there now.
I can't remember who I was. This one of the
big looking around for at the banks or somebody's not
going to buy carbon credits anymore and they're going to
invest directly in green energy and they're going to save
the planet that way. How big a deal is this
whole green energy debate there?

Speaker 9 (01:15:36):
That's huge.

Speaker 8 (01:15:37):
I think the next election, which has to be held
within a year, is going to be fought over two things,
cost of living in the climate wars, and then fretted
up AND's reignited them. I know we're going to speak
in a moment about a poll where his popularity continues
to go up. He's pushing for nuclear Anthony Albanez. He
said nuclears are good, too expensive, takes too long. But
we've now got a bunch of green energy developers. This

(01:16:01):
is the Clean Energy Investor Group, which says listen, you
know you're making it too hard for us. We're not
going to get anywhere near and Australia wants to get
to by twenty thirty, eighty five percent of Australia's energy
is renewable, and they say, you're just making it too hold.
We're not going to get there. Eighty two percent by
twenty thirty is impossible. It was a fairly tough reaction

(01:16:24):
from this group to the government. They said the government's
renewable energy targets would be challenging. Securing environmental approval is
becoming increasingly hard and they're just not happy. They say
it's particularly affecting wind backed projects where people in communities
quite rightly objecting to the fact that they're going to

(01:16:45):
wake up one morning and look out the window and
they won't see the sun come up because it'll be
hidden behind a whole bunch of wind turbines. There was
a major project ticked off on the Illawarra, which is
south of Sydney, the other day, and so they're just saying,
unless you get on to local council, state governments and
help help us get these permits quickly, you're never going
to reach your target.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
It's Telstram dumping its carbon credit offset scheme, moving to
direct investment model, setting a more ambitious target for emissions
cuts by twenty three.

Speaker 9 (01:17:14):
They all do it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Yeah, exactly. So tobacco or run by the gangs?

Speaker 7 (01:17:18):
Is it?

Speaker 9 (01:17:19):
Do you have very high taxes on tobacco huge?

Speaker 8 (01:17:24):
Well, what's happened here is that the taxes are so
high the organized crime gangs, particularly outlaw motorcycle gangs, have
realized that they can make a huge amount of money
out of this, and so they're now according to Admittedly
this survey was done by Philip Morrissey American tobacco company,
but they say crime gangs are selling a third of

(01:17:44):
smoke products in Australia a third, so twenty eight point
six percent of total product consumed last year, up from
twenty three percent the year before. Industry figures say that
the growth has probably pushed that number more likely up
to thirty three percent now. The Philip morris paper states
this would have pumped four point eighty five million in

(01:18:06):
excise into the federal government. So the federal governmentor losing
out as well. But I thought it was really interesting.
The Bok who runs IgA independent supermarkets, Fred Harrison, he
said last night, said the company's sales on tobacco products
were declining by more than twenty percent every year, and
he predicted there'd be no legal tobacco sector in Australia

(01:18:27):
within five years.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Wow, speaking of illegal these pill testing, where's that app sue?
We the previous government, labor government here, they made it
legal to test for pills at festival. So do you
do that state by state at your place?

Speaker 9 (01:18:41):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 8 (01:18:42):
You know, I've got no regard for Dan Andrews, he
was dead against it. But the new Premier, Jacinda Allen
has been quoted in the past of saying, look, you
know we all to do this. We are to make
it legal. So we think a trial is probably going
to be announced within if not this week, within the
next couple of weeks. The Royal Australian College a GP,
they say, yep, we should be doing it. The association

(01:19:03):
estimates would cost two million dollars a year to run
the service. I'm not sure it's such a great idea
because maybe it's just my age, but I just figure
if you've got to tell people that you can legally
bring a pill to them and test it and say
it's okay, you just endorsing use of the bills.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
That's exactly right. This poll we've Dunton now the preferred
prime minister, albeit by a very small margin. Have we
got a sort of a roll on? Has he got
a sort of a trend going?

Speaker 17 (01:19:29):
He does?

Speaker 8 (01:19:31):
I think you speak of a result pol which is
obviously in the nine newspapers today. A news poll last
week with you and I talked about wasn't all that
different to that. He's been out every day. I mean
he's campaigning is if the election campaign has begun already.
So worried is the government that Anthony Alberanez he started
doing Daily Press company last week on two days. He

(01:19:52):
did two a day, and so we've got a faux
election campaign running right now. Nuclear is one thing, and
also the public have worken up to the fact that
the green energy programs that the federal government is trying
to get toward are not going to work, and so
they're worried about the lights staying on through winter and
the heating staying on through winter. So he is on

(01:20:14):
a bit of a roll. It's a big ask for
him to win an election. He's got a lot of
seats he'd have to pick up and he's got to
knock over a lot of those tier independents. But he's
doing everything right at the moment. We'll see how long
it lasts.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Mate, we'll catch up Wednesday. Appreciate it steve Price out
of Australia. So some of the specifics around it. Fifty
four percent said it was keeping the cost of living low.
That's the number one istion in Australia. Fifty four percent.
What would come in after that? Environment, well, that got seven,
healthcare that got seven, So fifty four it's cost of living,
cost of living, cost of living and cost of living.
Thirty eight percent said Dutton would be better at managing

(01:20:48):
immigration and refugees versus Albanesi's twenty one thirty eight versus
twenty one jobs in wages thirty two apiece. Better job
of keeping the cost of living low thirty two to Dutton,
twenty five to alban Easy. So we've got real problems
for alban Ezi preferred Prime minister of the numbers we
mentioned thirty six thirty five to Dutton. Now Albanezi thirty
six percent of voters think he's doing a good job.

(01:21:09):
Fifty don't, thirty six to fifty net performance rating of
minus fourteen. Dutton though has got positive two good job
forty percent, so positive too. So a roll is where
he wants to be. So the pressure then, of course,
is do we go before the end of the year
or hold out till next year? Sixteen to nine the

(01:21:30):
Myke hosting breakfast Stu Chambeau six under McElroy six under
there you go. She's exciting speaking of renewables as Steve
was a moment ago. Very good piece in the Telegraph,
as in the British Telegraph under the headline how Ja
Cinda A Durn left New Zealand on the brink of blackouts?
And the reason they mentioned that is the Sakiah Stamer

(01:21:51):
is standing by as part of his campaign, this time
run by a pledge to ban new drilling in the
North Sea, despite New Zealand abandoning a similar policy blackout figures.
And so they're writing about us and the cock up
we made in banning oil and gas exploration our last
weekend's announcement. They write that the New Zealand's government was
lifting a ban on new oil and gas exploration. Ban
was announced by the former Prime Minister the descender turned

(01:22:12):
twenty eighteen, quote unquote, the world has moved on from
fossil fuels. Simply not true. New Zealand's trail blazing policy
at rights, which was the first of its kind, became
a key inspiration for the New Zealand Labour Party's own plan.
Followed three years of rising energy prices that have left
one hundred and ten thousand households unable to warm their homes,
nineteen percent of households struggling with the bills, and forty

(01:22:34):
thousand of them having their power cut off due to
unpaid bills. According to Consuming New Zealand, this is what
they're reading about us in Britain at the moment. Since April,
the situation's further deteriorated transpower, the equivalent of our national grid,
warned that the nation was at high risk of blackouts.
New zealand shift to renewables meant it no longer had
the generating power to keep the lights on during the
cold spells that mark the antipody in winter. Shaw Rush,

(01:22:56):
a leading New Zealand barrister specializing in petroleum licensing law
and climate litigation, called the oil and gas ban economic
vandalism at its worst. In exchange for virtue signaling. At
its finest, Rush warned Labor off a copycat policy, saying
there will be no benefits to UK energy scrutiny or
security by banning new exploration drilling, you will simply disown

(01:23:16):
an industry in which the UK has been world leading.
So that's Starmer's policy. Not that it's going to make
any difference to the British election as far as I
can work out. But fore warned is forearmed. Now Tesla's,
there are so many unsold Tesla's. Just picture this. There
are so many untssold Tesla's in America. You can see

(01:23:37):
them from space and now funny satellite images. They saw
them over the weekends. Forty seven thousand of them, all
parked up unsold. They made four hundred and thirty three
thousand of them, couldn't sell forty seven thousand of them
here Apparently our revenues falling twenty three percent this year.
You GOV in a poll found that Americans overall hate
Tesla's unless they own one. So when you own them,

(01:23:57):
you think it's quite cool. Far from that, you hate them.
But then we come to and this is from a
US point of view, and every time I do car comparisons,
we do remind you that the markets are completely different.
New Zealand has an unusual market in the terms of
values of new cars and how they plummet based on
the fact that we've got these Japanese imports and that
sort of crashed the new car market over the years.
And this happened over many, many years places like Australia,
places like America, you buy a new car doesn't lose

(01:24:19):
its value as sharply. But the latest information over the
weekend used EV's in our selling for thousands of dollars
less on average than comparable gas power cars. Difference between
the price that we used Tesla as model three in
a BMW three series shows how a premium associated with
EV's and the initial boom's been erased. This is ic cars.

(01:24:40):
Back in February, used electric prices dipped below gas powered
vehicle prices for the first time ever, and the pricing
cliff keeps getting steeper. Over the past year, gas power
used vehicle prices have declined. This is America, we remind
you again, have declined between three and seven percent evs.
It's thirty to thirty nine percent three to seven verses

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thirty to thirty nine percent, and I suspect that'll only
get worse nine minutes away from nine the mic.

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Dschambau birdied. So he's seven under, got a one shot

(01:26:18):
lead back. I should point out Dcembou, if you're only
following this casually, is through ten, whereas McElroy's through eleven.
He's playing with Cantley who is five unders, so two
behind the leader, one behind McElroy. So I suppose technically
he's still in it through eleven. I guess there's some
room for movement there. By the way, the plane update
on the plane, the Eve Air Force plane, those left behind,

(01:26:41):
the business delegation of the media boarding the plane literally
as we speak, take off time was due four nine o'clock,
seven o'clock their time, and we don't know whether they'll
be flying low or slow or just a bit higher
and slightly less slow, but anyway, they're heading towards Brusman,
at which point they'll be picked up the booty in
New Zealand plane allegedly to arrive in Japan tomorrow, unless,

(01:27:05):
of course, it all goes wrong. Five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Trending now Warehouse, the home of big brand skincare No.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Matt Damon's back. He's done nothing since Oppenheimer, which, when
you think about it, wasn't actually that long ago. This
one is called the Instigators. A couple of guys who
think they can perform a simple crime to turn around
their problems.

Speaker 9 (01:27:25):
Been Obar a week for mayor. It's going to be
holding our party on election eight.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
There's going to be money there like none of your
bombs ever seen.

Speaker 9 (01:27:34):
It's your first job.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
I know what I'm doing.

Speaker 5 (01:27:37):
We'll leave for a Christian.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Here's sixty good question. If I'm giving instructions and they're
not doing it, just say I have a gun.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
I'll get down on the work.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
I am up.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
You're like six genius, I have a gun. You are
driving recklessly.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
I'm then remember of the high speed projects.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Think about the person you wanted to be is not
a person.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Who am bere. You walk up with mege and they're
a psychiatrists.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Scott potential, hasn't it? Matt Damon, Casey Affleck not been
been not doing much at the moment, been busy. Ben's
got issues at home, so Casey's and Ron Pulman's there.
It's on Apple TV on the second of August. Serbia
lose one Neil to England. So that was a nice way, Toway.

(01:28:43):
If it's nineteen sixty six all over again, isn't it?
I working dream? Can't we? Anyway? That's us for Monday Morning.
Back tomorrow morning at six on the My Classing Breakfast
as always Happy Days.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
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